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Ocho, check this out. Long time cowboy, DeMarcus Tank Lawrence signed with the Seattle Seahawks this week.
Tank took some shots at the Cowboys when he got there. Let's take a listen to the video

courtesy of Hawk Blogger on YouTube.

Take a listen to this, Ocho.

Dallas is my home. I made my home

there. My family lives there.

I'm forever going to be there, but

I know for sure I'm not

going to win a Super Bowl there.

Yeah.

We're here.

We're here. Demarcus Lawrence, welcome to the Seahawks thanks for joining us wow hold on Ocho Michael Parsons in this is this what rejection and envy look like this some clown-ish D Law responded calling me a clown won't change the fact that I told the truth.
Maybe if you spent less time

tweeting and more time winning,

I wouldn't have left. Demon.

I like it. I like it.

Wow. I like it.
I like it. Listen.

Wow. I like it.

They don't really feel like that about each other, but you know

how when somebody

leaves and they go somewhere else and they understand

and they see how their culture is

and listen, the Seahawks won the Super Bowl. How long ago? How long ago that was on? That wasn't that long ago, man.
2012. Okay.
Nah, 20. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
2013. The Ravens won in 2012.
They won in 2013. They won more recently than the Cowboys have, I can tell you that.
Correct. And Mr.
Lawrence, who's been in Dallas for a very long time and understanding why they haven't won one, as opposed to how the fans see why they haven't won one, and understanding that Jerry's bottom line isn't really about winning, but making money, he actually has the ground to stand on being able to say that now he's going somewhere else. Because you can see things are run.
He can see how things are run.

Well, hell, they haven't won a Super Bowl

or trying to win one

or building the type of team to win one

in a very long time.

They haven't.

So he's just telling the truth

and understand, Micah.

Micah has to do.

You got to come.

You got to defend your team.

You got to defend your squad.

Yeah.

For me, Ocho,

you have to be careful when you go to another team because you know, the emotion of it and you're like, oh yeah, I'm so happy to be here. We're so much, this team is so much better than the team that I left.
So you have to be careful of that because it's easy to get caught up into that. Cause I remember having my press conference and I was like, I wanted to say certain things, but I had like okay shut up come on now be the bigger person you're happy that you enjoyed your 10 years in Denver it was an opportunity hey somebody gonna give you another opportunity to be what you were and you appreciate that I'm a little surprised that I'm surprised D-Law said what he said I'm surprised Michael said what he said and I'm really really surprised D-Law said what he said.
I'm surprised Michael said what he said. And I'm really, really surprised D-Law responded.
Man, not really. How could you not? How could you not? You got two people that love each other.
You know, hurt people hurt people. Huh? That ain't real.
Yes, true. We talk about two dudes that play the same position that been on the team, you know, three, four years, how many years they've been together, they don't really feel like that.

I thought you would have said

that because we play together,

we don't mean we...

Yeah, yeah.

Even so,

but they get along.

I'm telling you.

I know them boys.

You know,

they ain't no hard feelings.

You call...

Let me ask you a question.

You ever call TJ a clown?

You ever call TJ a clown?

Nah.

You ever call Carson a clown? No, or T.O. You ever call Cory Dillon a clown? No, no, no, no.
No. Oh, damn.
I'm trying to figure out. You ever call Big Willie? Willie, my homeboy from the A.
You ever call Willie a clown? Nah, you know, you know, you. What the heck? You mean to tell me you ain't called nobody, no clown that you still cool with? You got to understand, I'm an offensive player and I get along with everybody.

I'm just trying to figure out, so who have you called a clown that you love and you cool with?

Nobody.

I think I love everybody.

That's my problem.

I think that's my problem.

But again, I mean, it's football, you know, that's love talking. That's her talking.
Man, I used to go to war, but what you talking about? We used to watch, we used to study film together. What you talking about? We was in the weight room together.
What is you talking about? Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Name the three people that'll tell you the truth.
Drunk, kids, angry people. They'll tell you that.
Listen, that's a... Can I say something real quick? Yeah.
Anytime someone is angry at you, whatever they tell you when they're angry, you have to hang on to that. Because that's how they really...
Well, you just said he didn't mean that. You said when Michael Barnes had rejected him, he looked like there's some clown stuff.
You told me not to bridge that. Hold on, now.
Hold on. Stay with me, now.
Okay. I really wasn't talking.
I really wasn't talking male to male, now. I'm just throwing it out there for the fellas.
You got to stay with me, okay? Oh, so when a woman tells you that... I'm hanging on to everybody telling me that.
You got to hang on that. Because listen, when they drunk, they'll tell you how they really feel.
When they angry, they give you everything, everything you wish for. Oh, that's how you...
Okay. Because a drunk mouth is so with folks.
Okay, bet. I'm going to put that in my back pocket and I'm going to hold on to it.

You can't never forget nothing.

But listen, you know them boys.

Them boys, that ain't serious like that, man.

That ain't serious.

I do have to defend my team.

Well, since you taking a shot at me, you calling me a clown.

Well, I'll tell you what.

Well, if your ass get off goddamn, stop tweeting and doing whatever you're doing,

maybe we win more and I wouldn't have left. And you were going to leave regardless because they were going to pay you.
He wasn't saying no way. But you see what I'm saying? They ain't just bickering back and forth, you know, two friends.
I bet you see them in a video or a picture sometime later on in the season. Watch.
Before the season. That was you thinking?

I mean,

look, D-Law's been there for a minute, second round draft pick, played

a number of years there, had a hell of a

career in Dallas. I would have never thought he would

leave because one thing Jerry does,

Jerry take care of his players, guys

that he drafts. He believes in playing

hating his homegrown talent

and D-Law's been there for at least a decade, maybe longer. Maybe longer.
But he felt it was time for him to move on. He wanted to be in a situation that he felt gave him a better opportunity, excuse me, to win.
I'm sure the money of what, three years, $15 million? Per year, I'm saying per year, three years, $45 million, if I'm not mistaken on you. Don't quote me on that.
I think I read something. I didn't know anything about this until we just get ready to come on the show and ask Ash text me asking me, did I see this? I didn't because I was exhausted.
I came in and went to bed. I ain't going to lie.
I came in and went to bed, man. Like, woo.
He played 11th season in Dallas. He's about to play his 12th season.
Wow. I like it.
Matter of fact, where the schedule at? Do the Cowboys play the Seahawks this year that's what I want to know that's what I'm talking about give me make it a little bit more entertaining have a few I would feel I would feel more entertaining if one was on offense and one was okay I understand you know what I'm saying don't show on the defensive side, so they're never going to come in contact. It's kind of like me and you talking trash to each other.
You on offense, I'm on offense. Even if we play the same side of the ball and we going at it, that means now we got to show up.
Now who's going to be more productive? Who's going to have the better game? Who's going to get the most sacks? Whatever it may be. Who's going to impact the game more, even if

we do play the same position?

That doesn't matter.

It don't matter, because when I was on the Ravens, if I was talking trash

to another offensive player, I already know

my stats are going to be better than yours, because you are going to do

jack-ish.

Not against that defense.

Oh, no. So, it didn't matter.

It didn't matter. It didn't matter

what I did. I might have one catch that was going to be more and more than you got that's what I do that's what I do and if you did get a catch you're going to wish you hadn't caught it because they were going to put hands on your ass so for me yes I love arguing with D lineman that's who I got into the most arguing with.

Rest his soul, Taz Kennedy.

Rest his soul, Chester McClung.

I stayed into it with him.

I stayed.

Every time we played, there was not one game that I didn't,

when Chet was with the Raiders or Kansas City,

that I didn't get into it with him.

Taz was the same way.

Thank you. that I didn't, when Chet was with the Raiders or Kansas City, that I didn't get into it with him.
Chet was, Taz was the same way. Sam Adams, too.
Sam, Sam. Yeah, he came with my best friend.
But, boy, hey, nah, man. And the lineman gets so upset.
They're like, man, you ain't got to block him. I was like, well, hey, that ain't got nothing to do with me.

He talking crazy to me.

What you think I'm going to do?

Let him talk crazy to me.

And because y'all got to block him, don't take crazy back.

Man, I wish I might.

Put your big boy pants on.

Buckle up.

Forget you, Reroy.

But hey, that was some great times.

Josh Allen was asked why he didn't look to break Dak Prescott's $60 million per year record contract extension. I know it's weird to say, but what's $5 million more going to do for my life right now that I can't already do? I've lived a really good life.
I got a house, got a car. We're good.
Do you like Josh saying this? I love Ocho. We're not talking about it.
Ocho, what the hell can I, what can I do with $330 million that I can do with $400 million? So he said, I'm making $55. What can I do with $55 million that I can only do with $60 million? What? Once you get to a certain number, it's like, like Elon Musk is the world's richest man.
Let's just say he's worth $30 million. Ocho, what can I do with $100 billion? What can I do with $50 billion? What can I do with $10 billion that I absolutely need to do to have that? Hey.
So he's like, bro,

55-60. Do you see

how I got a quarter of a billy

guaranteed.

A quarter of a billy. Damn,

that. Look, if you

gonna guarantee me a quarter of a billy,

I'll make 40 million.

If you gonna guarantee a quarter of a billy,

I'll make it on you.

So I, me personally, not to cut you off Ocho, I love that $40 million. If you're going to guarantee a quarter of a billy, Ocho.
So, me personally, not to cut you off, Ocho, I love that he said that. Tell me what you think.
I mean, I like it. It makes sense.
It makes some sweet sense. Who would argue the fact? I'm just curious.
Who would argue the fact? Outside of someone with... Nobody.
You know what happens when you get greedy right mm-hmm it only it only makes sense pigs eat well hogs get slaughtered hey man stay right stay right there yeah man you better start boy you better start playing Bring that, listen, hold on, hold on Bring it to me slow now Yeah Digs eat good, hogs get slaughtered I don't know what scenario I'm going to be able to use this in conversation or argument But it's's... I'm feeling it.
Greed. Greed.
Money. That's what it's talking about, greed.
But like Josh said, Josh, like, at the end of the day, and the thing is, like, what Mahomes did is, like, okay, he got that big number, but... And we knew, Mahomes, if Josh is worth a quarter with Billy, how much has a guy that's been to five Super Bowls, one, three, two league MVPs, three Super Bowl MVPs? What's that worth? But he's like, you know what? At the end of the day, I need to be able to surround myself because I can't win this thing by myself.
No matter how great I am, I need people around me. I mean, look, football players have to have that because there's a tab.
Baseball players are always, for the most part, going to get the most money because they keep trying to push the salaries through the feeling. And so, you see, ain't no what's his name, uh, uh, uh, what's his name? Soto.
Juan Soto. Taking a 500 million.
Oh boy, yeah. Taking 500 million when there's somebody out there that got 700 million for it.
You know, guys, they're not doing that. Because they're like, look, it's not my responsibility.
Because there is no cap, Ocho. So it's like, hey, whatever the market of bear, whatever the team was willing to pay, that's where we're going.
So if we got two, three, four guys on the team that's making 200 million, 250 million, so be it. So absolutely be it.
But I love, I love what Josh said. And look, I'm not going to tell anybody what they should or shouldn't do.
Josh said, I'm good at 55. I don't need 60 because anything that I wanted at 50, if I need 60 to do it, I'm going to be effed up anyway.
He kept it in the round also from a point of being paid where I'm still being paid with the best.

But also we can continue to build around me so I can be able to contend to compete. Not only get to the AFC Championship, but also be able to compete and contend for a Super Bowl as well.

So I'm going to take 55.

I'm not going to take 60 because I'm going to take 60.

He's going to take some of the potential off the table for me

based on what I can put around me to help improve my team.

I ain't a good player for five.

He ain't going to lowball me too much now.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You're not going to.

Ocho, you can lowball me.

Give me a quarter billy guarantee.

Lowball all you want to.

You can give me five million a year.

Hey, long as I know I got quarter of a billion guarantee is right huh oh for you absolutely absolutely uh look i i don't look i don't tell anybody what he or he or she should do that's you you make the best decision for you i don't have a problem with Josh and his mentality. Now, somebody like Chase, if Chase says, nah, bro, y'all made me wait.
I need all of that. If I'm not mistaken, Josh had four years left on his deal.
Listen, you got to understand. They view the quarterback position a lot different than other positions.
A lot different. You have to understand the Bengals as well.
What the Bengals won't do,

you're not going to bully them.

They've shown that countless times

when Carson was upset.

When Carson wanted out

or he didn't see fit and said,

I'm not coming back until I'm traded,

whatever it may be. There have been other issues

as well. Hell, I even

tried being upset, but they showed me, yeah, okay, that ain't finna work. So then they weren't gonna set a precedent, even with Chase having two years left on a deal.
Okay, we gonna pay you early. That's not us.
That's not what we do. We don't care who you are.
And they've proven that, and they've stood firm on that stance regardless of who it's been. So I understand.
He's going to get his money this year, though, north of 40. But let me tell you what you do.
Yeah. But see, here's the thing, Ocho.
You have to think a year or two in advance before you decide. Come on now.
So now, hey, if I'm married, baby, hey, no extravagant spending. We've been to lock this thing down because I feel we might be in a protracted holdout.

So now I've got to make sure everything is lined up because they know my money where it is.

They know.

So no, they know I got 30 million.

I'm sitting on 30 million.

I'll sit on these first eight, nine games.

I'll come back because I got to make sure I'm vested.

I got to make sure I'm not going to give them a whole year. Y'all going to do something.
Y'all won't pay me. Hey, I'm going to go somewhere else and get paid then.
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I come out and have one of the great seasons in NFL history. And now y'all talking about y'all not going to pay me again? Oh, that's not going to happen.
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They want a first round draft pick for Trey Hendrickson. Ain't nobody going to give you that.
Y'all want me to give y'all a first round draft pick and pay a 30 million? You don't think someone is willing to give up the back-to-back 17?

Absolutely not, because I know you can't keep it.

I know you can't keep it.

Why would I pay a hard ball?

I sure am.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho.

Why didn't somebody trade for Cooper Cupp?

Because they knew the Rams were going to cut it.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, they want to take it on their salary?

Oh, come on, man.

No, you want me to give him, Ocho. You want me to give you a first round pick and pay him 30 plus.
Right, right, right, yeah. Oh, they want to take it on that salary? Oh, come on, man.
Tell me. No, you want me to get a mocho.

You want me to get you a first-round pick and pay him 30 plus.

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

Okay.

Listen, we on the same page?

We on the same page?

Yes.

Yeah, for sure.

So, no, I don't have a problem with Josh, but if somebody says, no, I want all the money,

I ain't got no problem with them.

Because anybody that goes through the fire, you deserve whatever you think you can get and whatever that team will pay.

But it just goes to show you.

But like you said, they didn't have to do anything.

But it's just, hey, he won the MVP.

He's been a model citizen.

For all indications, he's been great in the community.

I ain't got no problem.

I have no problem with them paying him.

I have no problem with him leaving a little money on the table. I ain't got no problem with it.
That's an individual. Man, he could have left something for who? You ain't out here taking these licks.
You ain't out here. You ain't training.
You ain't away from your family and talking about what I should do. Nah, you should keep your mind closed because I'm going to do what I'm going to do.
What's in the best kitchen stuff? Shannon family I don't like to, I think, I think the fans are confusing and saying, Oh, T Higgins making 26. Oh, that's, that's enough.
That's a lot. He should be well off with that.
I mean, they need to stop comparing themselves and put them in, in the, in the, in the shoes of athletes and, and what they should or should not get or should or should not meet because you're not out. You're not going to meetings.
Oh, I get, but they're looking at, but a lot of times fans looking at it from their perspective. And let's just say, let's just, if I take a fan and I say, okay, you make 150,000, of course, 26 million is a lot of money to you.
But if you feel you make, you 300,000 and your boss say without 150,000 there's plenty to you, you're going to look at him sideways you can't you have to look at it from an athlete's perspective and the prism and the arena that he or she is in you can't just say of course, if I'm making $75,000 a year, and somebody offered me a million dollars a year, yes! I bet, we, Ocho, we've been there. Yes.
You're talking about a guy that made $5 a day. So if I'm making $5 a day, and somebody's going to pay me $60,000 a year, you damn right I'm going to take it it.
Or if I'm making, on one summer, I made $337. Now you mean to tell me somebody's going to give me $200,000? So yeah, when you look at it in your terms, that's an exorbitant amount of money.
But when you look at a guy, and he's already making $15 million, and he's put up these type of numbers, no, that's not enough for him based on what he's done. And he's not going to let you...
The fans don't view it like that. I wish they were able to separate the two.
I like that a lot of Bengal fans that got onto me simply about my issues with T being able to hit the open market

because I'm understanding

what T can get

and what he's deserving

and why fans want him to stay for their own

selfish reasons

they want him to stay for their own

selfish reasons just keeping the band together

and I'm looking for long term

based on what he's been

able to do, despite even

with injuries that he's had, because I understand how

good he is once he hits the court.

I mean, hit the court. I'm sorry.

Once he hits the field, I know what he did.

So I know he's going to get

well north of

30, 32, 33

if he hits the open market. That's all I'm

saying. And people say, why wouldn't you want him to

stay? He needs to stay. 26-5

is enough. I mean, man,

that's all I'm saying. And people say, why wouldn't you want him to stay? He needs to stay.

26-5 is enough.

I mean, man, that's not what it's about.

That's not what it's about.

Listen, I love my bangles.

Live, live, eat, shift, sleep, die.

Bangles.

But I also understand that he's deserving what he is.

I understand how this works.

You don't take home team discounts on your first deal. You don't do...
No, not the first one. Maybe the second or the third one.
Because people look at it like, hold on. Man, Miles done got two deals.
Now he done got two max deals. Ain't took no discount.
Now, if he want to take a discount on the third one, that's his prerogative. But if he doesn't, that's also his prerogative.
I don't feel I should be obligated to help a billionaire stay a billionaire. Fans don't look at it.
Fans like, oh, we pay your salary. Well, you pay the owner.
You help the owner become a billionaire too. But you don't look at it like that.
Y'all just look at the players. Because the likelihood, you see, the greater likelihood that you're going to bump into the player in the grocery store, at the car wash, the mall, as opposed to the owner.
So you feel a connection to that player. Like, oh.
But while y'all talking about y'all play player salary, let me ask you a question. Who y y'all think paying for them yachts that these owners that you feel Jerry Jones that are Jeffrey Lurie that are Arthur Blank who y'all think the ones that continue the ones that continue to show up concession statements oh who y'all think who y'all think playing for that helicopter laying on that by practice field at Jerry's World huh talk to them on talk to so y'all.
Talk to him. Y'all don't have no problem paying for that.
But when a player asks for... Oh.
Okay. Hey, y'all want to pay? Y'all pay? Look, y'all rather pay a billionaire and help him stay there?

Because guess what?

Those owners are going to be owners a lot longer than these players are going to be players.

Now you figure it out.

Now you tell me.

Got to get as much as you can.

Hey, why the stove is hot?

What NFL player has played long as Jerry Jones has been the owner?

What player has played long as Mr. Kraft has been the owner?

I'm just curious.

So y'all been playing their salaries in those big homes,

for those yachts, and those mansions.

But now, okay, we cool.

We good, Ocho.

Who can the cook says he will not be getting married

until he wins the Super Bowl? I don't think I'm ready to get married anytime soon. I'm trying to win a Superbowl.
What'd you think? I like it. I mean, depending on where you are in life.
I think that that scenario we talked about night before last and maybe last night, simply about the quarterbacks and how things come into fruition, how life changes for the better. When you get married, when you have that structure and discipline on your hip.
A man that finds a wife finds it a good thing for the quarterback situation. For some reason, life, it just, everything falls in order.
You know, it's like a domino effect. The receiver, I'm not sure it affects you in either way, so I understand Poole Nakua's focus don't want to focused on winning a championship, which he has a good chance of doing, especially with the addition of my guy, the greatest rock runner of all time, outside of myself and Devontae Adams.
Matthew Stafford at the helm. No, Mr.
Gunslinger himself. He has a good chance to do that.
So I get... And you see the quarterback, they get it, don't you? You see Josh Allen got engaged.
Dak Prescott got engaged. Jalen Hurts got engaged.
Patrick Mahomes got married early. I mean, you look at, I don't think Joe has engaged or anything.
I don't know if he's seen the business. I got another scenario for you.
I don't even think Dak Prescott had gotten paid yet. Dak Prescott gets engaged and gets married, something of that sort.
And all

of a sudden, boom, $60 million

just came out of nowhere. I'm like, wait a

minute.

Wait a minute.

I'm finna grab, go grom somebody,

dog.

They give it out a quarter of the bill.

It's something about it. Now listen

to me.

You, I told you, I've been trying to get you on the same page for a very long time you got to pull the trigger I'm telling you man listen listen I got it's 2025 right at the time I'm going to take this year I'm going to take this year I'm going to relax I'm going to work I'm going to grind I'm going to have some no I ain't going to have no fun I'm going to grind the top of 2026 I'm going to relax. I'm going to work.
I'm going to grind. I'm going to have some fun.

I ain't going to have no fun. I'm going to grind.
The top of 2026, I'm going into 2026 with a ring on my finger. I'm getting married.
I ain't got time to play. I ain't got time to play.
Life is short. I'm on the back half now.
I ain't got that many more good years left in me. You hear me? I ain't got too many more.
I'm talking about good years. I'm talking about good years.
Listen, my 20s, my 30s, I'm going to be 50. I ain't got time to be playing.
What are we talking about? Think about it. What are we talking about? Like, really think about where we are in life.
Seriously. We done played around in our 20s, having fun.

We done played around in our 30s, having fun.

We done played around in our 40s.

I'm finna be 50.

What we doing, baby?

I'm finna get married.

I got time for this shit.

Excuse me.

I ain't mean to curdle.

I been doing real good.

Talk to me. You remember the song? Come on, don't make me cry now.
Gee, isn't it funny how time just slips on weight. I told you I don't measure my life in years, I measure my life in summers.
And I'm constantly thinking. I'm waiting on my blood work to come back so I can see what my, is everything's okay, my physical.
Based on my family history, probably somewhere between high end, probably 20 summers. Based on my family history, mom, dad, family history, so forth and so on.
You're right, Joe. Come on, man.
Come on. Come on, man.
What I was talking about, FNFC, that's gross. Right there.
That's gross. It's time to get serious.
I'm with you when you're writing that. Come on.
Take your time. It's just...
All this, you know... You win awards.
you've lived your dream, you've done a great job trying to raise kids. And there are times I think, like, damn, everything that I've accomplished, take the football side, that's the good.
Now, who are you doing it for? Why are you doing it? And don't you want somebody to share that ride with? Come on, man. I'm sure driving cross-country is fun, but I think it's better if you drive across country with somebody.
Listen, without no Thelma, there was no Louise. What would be the point of Thelma if there was no Louise? They got Clyde, but who the hell was Clyde without Bonnie? Huh? Without Weezy, there's no George.
If it wasn't for Tom, who the hell was going to chase Jerry? So we need a partner. We need a combo, huh? Somebody, man.
Some of the greatest stories in life is always two. It always has been.
But, you know, you feeling good in your 20s? Aw, I just ain't worried about it. I'm going to find me somebody.
You feeling good in your 30s? Aw, man, don't worry about it. I'm going to run through this little decade of 30s.
Don't worry about it. Man, I done ran through my 40s.
Oh, man, what I'm doing? I'm looking at my watch. Wait a minute.
I'm on the back end now. I'm on the back end.
I done climbed the mountain, and I'm scaling over the mountain now to go downhill. Man, what we talking about? And the time went by so fast.
It did, bro. It just happened.
And it just dawned on me like not too long ago, man, what the am I doing? Like, I'm just acting like I can't get this time back.

I'm wasting.

So it make it easy

for me to move

a certain way

based on

I can't get this back.

I can't.

Now,

if I was in my 20s,

I understand.

Okay,

I could play a little longer.

You know,

I'm a 30.

You know,

I could play.

You know,

I still got time.

Man,

shh.

What?

One thing about that time, you can't get it back and it do not stop. It do not stop.
Shh, man, please. Ocho gives his list of best wide receiver duos.
Chad Johnson. He got number one, Chase Higgins.
Number two, A.J. Brown, Devontae Smith.
Number three, Jetta and Addison. Number four, Evans and Godwin.
Five, Armand Ross St. Brown, J-Mo.
Number six, Hill, Waddle. Number seven, Lunt, Atlanta, Atlanta's, Drake, London, and Mooney, and the rest haven't played as a unit yet.
Yeah, let me go to that. All right, I had to pull that.
I had to stand up for up for this too because I got excited about this one. Obviously, I'm not being biased.
I actually have Chasen Higgins first for a reason. Hell, I played for the goddamn Bengals and they are phenomenal.
Listen, A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, they just won the Super Bowl.
Yes. Again, they do Oh my god, how do I say this? And I don't mean to be rude.
I don't mean to be rude. They don't throw the ball as much over in Philly as opposed to the Bengals.
You know what I mean? But A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith are one hell of a duel down there in Philly.
Jettas and goddamn Jordan Addison, boy, they had a hell of a season regardless of who the quarterback is. Sam Donald comes in there.
J.J. McCarthy gets hurt.
They do what they do best. Phenomenal duo.
Evans and Godwin, what more can I say? They did it with Tom Brady, and they did it with Baker Mayfield. And they're going to do it again this year.
Amon Ross St. Brown and J-Mo, nasty work.
Nasty, nasty work. Now, the only reason I have Tyreek Hill and Waddle so low, and then the quotations, I got a quarterback injury.
Obviously, Tua got hurt, and everybody's numbers were affected by that. Listen, I got London and Mooney at seven Mooney yeah Mooney the rest

the rest of them

they haven't played together

I just look good

because of the names

you're looking at

DK and George Pickens

you're looking at

Devontae Adams

and Puka Nakua

yeah

I mean listen

the names are good

they just haven't played together

so I need

I need to give them a number

you need to see something

I'm just curious

Chad

you like my list

would you change it I mean the order to me I think it's good. The way I have it.
Yeah, I mean, look. First of all, I'm not so sure I changed anything on Joe.
I would have Chase and Higgins, too, because Chase is the best receiver in football. Now, some people might say, I don't know, it might be Jetta, but I think Chase right now is the number one.
Right. So I don't think anybody's going to say AJ is better than him or Mike Evans, St.
Brown, any of those guys. I think Chase, I mean, the Triple Crown validates what we know.
Right, right, right. And then Higgins.
So, okay, Higgins, Devontae, it's close. Yeah.
But I think because Chase is number one, I like that group. I like AJ and Smitty.
Me, sometimes I get a little perplexed and I'm like, damn. AJ, he won the Super Bowl, but he's complaining about catches.
But I get it. But then again, I don't.
At this point in time, Ojo, I was not, not now. After I won the Super Bowl, it's all about celebration.
Right. It's all about celebration.
Me, I have this conversation behind closed doors with Jalen Hurts, the new OC, Sirianni. I mean, Ojo, he's just like, that's just me.
Yeah, you know what I don't like, Unk? This is the business side of things. You talk about him not having the production right, or him not getting the catches, or him not having the yards that he should, because you know how they're going to play with him later? You know what they're going to do to him? Right.
They're going to come talk to him, right? They're going to say, you know what? Maybe a year or two from now, now based on your salary and what you're making and the numbers you're putting up, it really ain't making no sense paying you this kind of money when your production ain't what it should be. Then look at your numbers.
So they'll use it against him so I understand what he doing and why he wants to argue the fact well, I want the catches, I need the catches so the production matches what my salary is. Right.
So the minute your production don't match what the salary is, what's the first thing you want to do? They either want to let you go or they want you to take a pay cut. Ocho, but you know you're going to Jalen Hurst.
You're not going to have the numbers that Chase has. Yeah, I know.
They got Sanquan back there. Yeah, I'm just saying.
It's different. Ocho, what receiver you know got a 2,000-yard rusher and they got a 100-catch receiver and a 1,500-yard receiver with 15 touchdowns.
When you got a 2,000, do you know how many carries you got to get for 2,000 yards? Listen, I'm with you when you're right. I'm with you when you're right.
Ocho, check this out. Pre-agent quarterback Mike Jones is signing with the 49ers with a $2 million deal with $7 million with $5 million guaranteed.
Jones wanted the opportunity to work with 49ers head coach Kyle Shanahan. Will Kyle Shanahan be able to, yes, revive Mike Jones' career? Yes.
Because for all intents and purposes, Ocho, we thought that's where he was going before they traded up to take Trey Lance. I thought that would have been perfect.
Because you mean to tell me, I believe he's just as athletic or I'm just as strong as Brock Purdy. Hold on.
Because think about if you took Mike Jones and where you were, you'd have kept all those first-round picks. You wouldn't have had to give up all of that.
But hey, I do think, I do think because I think Mack Jones was really good in his rookie season. When he had an offensive head, when he had an offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniel, in his ear.
Some reason, for some undone reason to me, like, you know what? I think we're going to put two guys in his ear that's never called an offensive player in their life. I think that'll work out okay, Ocho.
And it was terrible. It didn't.
But hold on, I got a question. Something you just said when you said about him going to the 49ers about reviving, something about him playing the position of quarterback.
Now, if I'm not mistaken, they do have Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy, who commands a $35-$40 million salary coming up soon, huh? Yeah.
So exactly what part of reviving his quarterback career is Shanahan going to do? He's going to get an opportunity to see how you do things. And guess what? Maybe Brock Purdy say he don't want to play.
Well, he don't want that. Because sometimes I got to get leverage on Yocha.
I got to get leverage. Nah.
You know, ain't to get leverage. Nah, you know ain't no leverage.

Not with that.

Not when you get ready to make that kind of money.

Ain't no leverage.

Guess what?

Brett Favre didn't think they had no leverage either, did he?

Aaron Rodgers didn't think they had no leverage.

They didn't have no leverage either, did they?

Now, hold on now.

You know how these teams work.

Totally different type of scenarios. Ocho, you know how these teams work.
Oh, yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know.
I know. Hold on.
Ocho, they'll eat that money like, Ocho, they'll eat dead money. Think about the money that the Broncos, they paid Russell Wilson down for $40 million.
Right.

Can I ask you a question?

Yes.

We saw a small sample size of Mac Jones, right?

Yes.

Patriots.

Yes.

We saw a small sample size of Mac Jones.

Where was he last year?

Jacksonville.

At Jacksonville.

Mm-hmm.

So all of a sudden, just, just, God, for some reason, that he might be the answer if things don't work out with Brock, with Brock Purdy. Yes.
Okay. I'm just, okay.
I'm with you. I like, I like, I like, I like, but what I like, if you think about it, Ocho, if you look at these guys that had resurgence, look at a Sam Darnold, look at Gino Smith, it was a talent around them.
Around him. That'd be, yeah.
Geno, all of a sudden, he got DK. He had Lockett.
He had Smith and Jigba. Look at Sam Darnold.
He had Addison. He had Hawkinson.
He had Jetta. He had Jones in the backfield.
So now, if I put complimentary pieces around him, I'm not saying sometimes I gotta have an airboat. Right.

I don't need that much water

in order to get to where I need to get to, Ojo.

Come on now. Now, if I'm on a

pontoon, I need a lot of water, because that thing

hit me. I need some buoyancy.

So, I'm not saying that he's a guy

that can elevate.

I'm saying maybe he needs

a situation where guys need to elevate

him. Right.

Because if you look at him when he was at Alabama, when he had Waddle, when he had Devontae, when he had Mechie, when he had Najee in the backfield, how did he look, Ocho? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's think about what they got over there with the 49ers now.
They don't have nothing like what you just named. Now, they have some very, very, very good players.
Good players, yeah. Brandon Jennings, the real deal.
No, you mean IU? No, I said, no, Brandon Jennings. Brandon Jennings for where? In San Francisco? Really? 49ers.
Brandon Jennings? Yeah. Brandon Jennings.
What position he played on, Joe? Receive. Juwan Jennings.
Oh, Juwan Jennings. I'm tripping.
You got me talking about basketball. The basketball player? Yeah, I'm talking about Juwan Jennings.
Juwan Jennings. You got it.
Listen, who was talking about Brandon Jennings earlier? P. Master P.
Okay. He still got...
Yeah, Juwan Jennings. Nice.
Purcell came on,cell came on last. Now, are you coming off an injury? Yeah.
They still got a kiddo. Coming back.
We'll see how C-Bank can hold up. I think they're going to be alright.
They still need that boy. Yeah.
You're not understanding what I mean. They still need that man, listen, that boy.
I love Juwan Jennings. I love what they have.
They still need that doll. Like Master P said, they still need that doll.
And I'm talking about from a receiver standpoint can do it all. Ocho, check this out.
Daniel Jones signed with the Colts. Reports sound like there may be a quarterback competition between him and Anthony Richardson.
Damn, please. Ocho, tell me the time you ever seen somebody sign a backup for $14 million.
If they've signed a receiver, you making $5 million. They paid the wide receiver that they brought in 17 million.
Tell me what you thinking. Yeah, I know

what it is.

It's funny how they play that game, huh?

It's funny how they play the game.

What you mean what game they

playing? What you paying them?

You saw what it was when he was in

New York, right? Yes.

Okay, so you bring him in

for a quarterback competition for what? But maybe it's a good thing, huh? Maybe this is a good thing for Anthony Richardson. You mean, you tell me, you mean to tell me you for to bring somebody in to beat me out my spot after you already saw what he was able to do.
Don't, don't get me started. Oh, I think it's a good thing for Anthony Richardson.
Maybe this will propel him. Not that he needs motivation.
Anyway anyway he doesn't need no motivation not at the quarterback position you don't but this will get you in line real quick because it sends a message we don't believe in you we don't think you're the long term answer for our team they benched his ass last year that should have been a clear message right there I I mean, but you know, they benched him for a specific reason. Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question. If Tom Brady came out, if Patrick Mahomes came out of the game, they getting benched next game? Absolutely not.
Thank you. Tell me the backup player.
Tell me the backup player in the NFL that's making $14 million. Any position.
tell me the backup player that's making $14 million.

It probably ain't none, huh?

Exactly.

So what did that tell you?

That's crazy how they play.

That's crazy.

Daniel Jones got some

dirt

on somebody or something?

He might have a table somebody with a go. no telling Hey What 14 What one year or two year One year Golly Yes Yeah he know something He probably know What they it's, uh, you're right, Ocho, I mean, hey, this is a clear indication.
I don't know when the coaches talk or when the organization talk if Anthony Richardson was listening. They got his undivided attention now.
They got his undivided attention, Ocho. Undivided.
Ocho! Rogers was released by the Jets today negotiations are ongoing between the Steelers and Rogers here's what Mike Florio is reporting the ball is reportedly in Aaron Rogers court the Steelers are simply waiting for a decision from Rogers regardless it's tempting to think that Rogers who not long ago potentially out of options, has found a way to make it all about himself again. In just two weeks, Rodgers has gone from the guy who has reached out to the Giants to a guy who has options.
Whether he's doing it on purpose or just doing what he does, he's become the center of the NFL's attention for maybe one last time. We're focused

on him. We're talking about him.

We're not. As long as the Steelers

don't move on to another veteran quarterback,

he can take his time. At some point,

however, they'll need an answer.

And when he gives them one,

he'll likely complain about all the attention

that he's handling of the situation

naturally generated.

Look, Ocho, you and I

weren't talking about it.

No.

We were talking about the people

that had gotten signed.

Right.

We talked about like

it was a possibility

that he was going to get released.

They made a decision like,

look, this is what we want you to do.

The Giants said they released a statement

and said, no, we're moving on.

They thanked him for the two years

that he was there.

Blah, blah, blah.

But after today,

if he ain't signed,

ain't no more Rodgers talk.

Yeah.

Not from me.

Now, maybe you want to bring it up to me.

Let's talk about this right here.

Okay, fine.

But until he signs,

I don't really know.

There really is a no joke.

Right.

I have a question.

Yes, sir.

What other veteran quarterbacks are out there right now outside Aaron Rodgers? Russell Wilson. Okay, Russell Wilson, to go back.
I think Russell Wilson is visiting the New York Giants and the Cleveland Browns, if I'm not mistaken. Outside of Russell Wilson, who else is out there? Or is that it? I think that's pretty much it, Ocho.
Yeah, so I mean... I mean, Cousins, it seems like Cousins could be available via trade, but nobody trading because he got that money guaranteed.
Now y'all release him, y'all pay that money, and then we'll pick him up at minimum. Ah, I see, I got you.
But I ain't trying to take on somebody that got guaranteed money. I ain't trying to pay that.
Y'all, hey, I'm not finna bail you guys out for your bad decision. You made that decision.
I told you, Ocho, last year. I said, Ocho, it doesn't make sense.
I said, at his absolute best, he's got two years. I said, Ocho, if you sign him and he got one, you stuck.
Yeah. You stuck with a a bad song on the elevator.
And damn, you got to go to the top and it's stopping at every floor in between. Chad, y'all know what I said.
Ocho, I said, I get what you said, Ocho. The young guy comes along.
I said, but Ocho, you paid this kind of money and could potentially only be a one-year deal. You got $100 million fully guaranteed

on a $180 million contract.

And lo and behold,

he really didn't make it through the whole year.

Right.

I just, you know, I'm like, man.

That's crazy.

Well, listen, Aaron Rodgers is in a good place.

He's in a good place. Oh, Jameis Winston is available also.
Okay. I can see that.
I can see the move. I can see that move.
I can see that. What about Flacco? Isn't Flacco available too? Flacco's available too.
Because Flacco was in Indy last year. And if he was still there, there would be no need to sign Daniel Jones.
So the mere fact that they signed Daniel Jones probably gives me the indication that Flacco is also a free agent. Could Flacco circle back and be in Cleveland? Sure.
I like that. Could he be a play in the Giants?

That's crazy, man.

Now that I think about it, I'm trying to figure out who fits what and who fits

where, but listen.

Gardner Mitchell just got

released also.

Yep.

Man, listen, with

DK and Pickens,

you get a

gunslinger now?

Boy, you can make some magic, bro.

They let Najee Harris go.

Yeah, I think he signed with the Chargers.

Okay, yeah, he did go with the Chargers.

Hey, Mike Williams just signed back with the Chargers too on a one-year.

Did he?

Yeah, he went back.

Yeah, he went back. Okay, but if you think about it, if you go back and look at Pittsburgh,

then last first round, they haven't gotten a second contract. All the first rounders, they declined the fifth-year option.
I think it's like the last four. I saw this in the paper today.
They ain't paying out, huh? I think Bush, you remember Bush, the linebacker they got from Michigan his dad played at Florida State Devin not Devin Devin Bush yeah yeah I think that might have been his dad that might have been him though but you know they declined his fifth year option so yes Ash I, Ash, I read the newspaper today. I got the USA Today at the hotel.
I got the USA Today at the hotel today. So, that's what George said, the same thing.
Oh, you read newspapers? I'm like, well, damn. You make it seem like I can't read or something.
I can look at the picture and they fool them. But, yeah, it was, it's going to be interesting to see.
I'm ready to see what he's saying. I'm ready to see at this, with this legal pampering period, we kind of got an indication before, you know what I'm saying, such and such going on.
But now we kind of know. So now you shift your focus like, okay, draft, who's going where, what's going to be done? Are there going to be any more moves? Are there any more moves to be made? Yeah, I'm excited.
I'm excited for that draft. What you got, one, two, and three? What you think? Honestly, Ocho, this might be the – I have no idea.
I mean, people say Abdul Carter. People say Cam.
The only, I mean, I mean, people are kind of like cool. I mean, now I see, I see reports.
Shadour might slide out of the top 10. He might slide way down.
He might even slide out of the first mile. Like, well, damn.
I just don't, what I don't understand, Ocho, how can a guy move up or down and a guy ain't played football in three months? Mm-mm. It's all on team needs.
And then the needs of the team that are picking in the first five, they need a quarterback. There's more than one, there are more than three teams in the first five or six picks that need quarterbacks.

They're not going to play that game just out of spite.

Just out of spite.

No, they're not going to play that game.

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