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Okay, let's get started. Hi, Adu.
Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan. Hi, guys.
I'm really excited to be here.

Speaker 1 Hello, Adu. How are you? Fantastic.
How are you, Conan? I'm doing well. I have to compliment you on your voice.
You have a terrific. And your sweater.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I'm thinking it's mostly a vocal audio medium, but I like the whole vibe. Yeah, the whole vibe is great.
You have an incredible beard. You have

Speaker 1 a true Irishman's sweater, Adu.

Speaker 1 And he's actually from Ireland, so. Oh, I could tell.
Yes. That's the one thing I know.

Speaker 1 I can tell by the various coded messages in it right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure. It says, by Guinness.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you've got the amazing beard, but I've got to say that the tone of your voice is very calming. Fantastic.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I mean, I brought my mic from home just so that you can hear it, like the rich fullness of it all. Yeah.
Yeah. We've not found a mic in the universe that will give me a rich fullness.

Speaker 1 I've put Eduardo on that desk. I'm still searching.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It doesn't even work. Yeah.
We're going through the Barry White estate to see what we can get.

Speaker 1 Adu, tell me a little bit about yourself. What do do you do?

Speaker 1 What are you all about? Where are you coming from?

Speaker 1 Wow, that's a huge question.

Speaker 1 Right now, I am a research engineer for the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington. So I live in Seattle.
Oh, wow. Cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a very cool job.

Speaker 1 I do R D for the Argo Float Program.

Speaker 1 So Argo Floats are these autonomous drifters that we've put out, you know, in the world's oceans that sample various things, you know, in the ocean: temperature, pressure, salinity, pH, dissolved oxygen, basically kind of giving us a comprehensive look on

Speaker 1 how our oceans are doing and how our atmosphere is doing. And it's all climate change-related, conservation-related.
And

Speaker 1 it's a cool gig. I'm not an ocean.

Speaker 1 Are you one of those people that believes in science? Ah, boo.

Speaker 1 Should I go? Why don't you take your mumbo, jumbo, and witchcraft somewhere else?

Speaker 1 Let's pack up and go, guys. I'm sorry.
Three chairs. If I don't understand it, I don't like it.
Exactly. Yeah.
I don't like science. Now I'm going to go get in my car and drive around.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That sounds like really good work. I'm hoping you can tell me something optimistic because these are perilous times.
It can feel for a lot of us. What do you? Oh, you want it optimistic? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 It doesn't have to be optimistic. I just want to get your take.

Speaker 1 It sounds like you're devoting your career and your incredible mind and hard work to trying to figure out the oceans, I'm guessing, are warming.

Speaker 1 That is happening. Yes, they are.
Okay. Yes.
And they are getting hotter and hotter. They're just taking in all the heat that we're producing.

Speaker 1 And part of this program is to study how the heat content of the ocean is changing over time.

Speaker 1 And a large part of that also is how much carbon is taking in.

Speaker 1 So, oceans are very good carbon sinks for all the carbon that we as humans produce.

Speaker 1 And some studies are actually showing that there's some regions that are actually sources of carbon now. So, it's not just sinks, but there's a flux between the ocean and the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I have any positive gems for you,

Speaker 1 Conan, but I think one cool thing, so I'm very new to oceanography.

Speaker 1 I, you know, was a conservation-based person for 25 years and an engineer, and I kind of combined those things and landed in this sector.

Speaker 1 But I think I've just been learning how cool and complex our oceans are and how many different subsystems are, you know, in there.

Speaker 1 And what's cool is that oceans are like space to us in that they're just criminally undersampled.

Speaker 1 So we don't know much about the oceans at all because what are we going to, we don't have like an array of sensors in there for like, you know, last hundred years or so, but that's what we're trying to do.

Speaker 1 We're trying to put as much technology out there and like kind of sample as much as we can so we can better understanding how rising temperatures are going to affect currents, winds.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 we've all noticed that things are getting more severe. We're noticing that here in Los Angeles, obviously, lately.

Speaker 1 And I think across the globe, people are noticing that extremes are becoming more extreme. And

Speaker 1 so and

Speaker 1 it doesn't, climate change doesn't always mean one thing.

Speaker 1 The influences can be very complex. And so we don't really know sometimes what to expect.
Sometimes it means, and we're all figuring that out together. So,

Speaker 1 and I think my work in this area is every bit as important. I was going to say, you're telling him how to say that.
Excuse me. I do.
Excuse me. I'm not done yet.

Speaker 1 I believe that by various neutron installments

Speaker 1 throughout

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Speaker 1 plates and plateaus, there might one day be hegemony. Can we just go back to your sweater? Your sweater looks amazing.

Speaker 1 Let's just

Speaker 1 appreciate it. No, I do appreciate, all foolishness aside, I really do appreciate the work work you're doing.
And

Speaker 1 I'm, as someone who has children, I really do want us to figure this out and

Speaker 1 make a better world. So

Speaker 1 I'm glad you're doing it. We're doing the best we can, Conan.
Well, trying harder.

Speaker 1 You don't look like it. You just called into a podcast to goof around.

Speaker 1 This is time that could be saving the world. And you're like, I've got to go talk.

Speaker 1 And you're like, I've got to go talk to Conan and goof off.

Speaker 1 Well, listen, I love Seattle. I'm sort of married into Seattle because my wife is from Seattle and I married there.
And I go back a lot, and I love my in-laws. And I love to prowl around Seattle.

Speaker 1 It's my second home.

Speaker 1 Sorry, you said prowl, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, late at night, wearing mostly black. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there are, there have been some sightings.

Speaker 1 I wear a black cap.

Speaker 1 Listen, that's not important. My prowling is my own business.
Tell us about yourself. What are your hobbies? What do you like to do when you're not studying your sensors?

Speaker 1 What do you,

Speaker 1 and I say that with great respect. No, you don't.

Speaker 1 What do you,

Speaker 1 great respect?

Speaker 1 What do you like to do in your spare time? Adu? What's your hobby? I think, yeah, my two main ones are trail running and birdwatching.

Speaker 1 Oh, and what I found is I hang out with a lot of older folks because that's a very kind of niche subset of activities that

Speaker 1 I find my communities generally.

Speaker 1 It gets me outside. And

Speaker 1 my father was a bird watcher. He loved it.
And he used to always try and get one of us to go along with him bird watching. And when I was a kid, I'd notice that no one else was volunteering.

Speaker 1 And I would feel some like, well, someone's got to go. And so I would go.
And I would trudge around marshes

Speaker 1 the suburbs of Boston or Rhode Island and

Speaker 1 not enjoying the smell. And did you enjoy it? I have to say I didn't at the time.

Speaker 1 The one thing I really did enjoy was there was once a gull that got way off course and kind of made the news called Ross's Gull.

Speaker 1 And Ross's gull, I think, usually hangs out in Alaska or Russia. And this thing, I think, lost its connecting flight,

Speaker 1 got all turned around, and Ross's gull showed up. Some birder spotted it in Boston, and this might be, I'm going to say this is 1970, this could be 76, 77, something like that.

Speaker 1 And I went, my dad was really excited, and he said, we've got to go. It was like a 40-minute drive.
And so

Speaker 1 there was a bunch of, I mean, there was. 300, 400 birders there.

Speaker 1 And we found a spot and we I saw Ross's gull gull, and I remembered thinking, wow, I, you know, and then I tried that line on women for years. It never worked,

Speaker 1 never worked.

Speaker 1 I, um,

Speaker 1 I almost traveled nine hours round trip to see something called a Baikal teal down in Oregon. It was kind of a similar vagrant, you know, got kind of lost and found its way over here.

Speaker 1 Um, but I'm getting married in two weeks, and I don't think

Speaker 1 wait a minute. I do.
You buried the lead.

Speaker 1 This is a huge event. And you're talking about the double-billed Quixel Quaxle.

Speaker 1 Making fun of this. I am not.

Speaker 1 This is, again, with great respect.

Speaker 1 So tell me about this. You're getting married in two weeks.

Speaker 1 And basically, there's a lot to do because I'm getting married in India. And

Speaker 1 my

Speaker 1 fiancé, soon-to-be-wife, is from Texas, and her whole family is from Texas. And not a lot of them have visited Asia or India.

Speaker 1 And I'm basically coordinating a bunch of stuff like clothing, visas, flights, choreographed dances

Speaker 1 because it's a big kind of soiree. I've never been to a true Indian wedding, and I've always wanted to go.

Speaker 1 It's true, they take place over more than a day, right? It's three or four days, yeah, for ours. And actually, in my when writing to y'all, I actually invited the three of you.

Speaker 1 So, invitation's still open. It's on the 10th of February, and I know you have the Oscars to host.

Speaker 1 It'll be really great if I blew off the Oscars. I'll handle the Oscars.
You go to the wedding.

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Speaker 1 Where in India is the wedding taking place?

Speaker 1 Southwest side of India, and there are a ton of birds there. You know, I keep like a life list of birds.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I started when I was six years old, and my mom and dad really got me into it because we would go visit India all the time.

Speaker 1 And I'd see all these like elephants, tigers, and like, you know, know, all these cool big mammals. And we'd watch Animal Plant.

Speaker 1 And then I'd come back to the Bay Area where, you know, I grew up, and I'd see, you know, a squirrel or like, you know, like a rabbit. And I, and I was really bummed out.

Speaker 1 And my mom was like, here, take some binoculars, go, go look for birds, you know, we'll take you to a park. And I got hooked, right? It was just kind of like, I want to see everything.

Speaker 1 They're all so cool. They all act so differently.

Speaker 1 And, you know, but then I just kind of like wrote them on a pieces of paper and then I would throw the

Speaker 1 piece of paper away, like all the species I was seeing. So you're a litterer.
Until maybe I'm a litterer. That's right.
Okay. That's great.
In the ocean. Straight in the ocean.

Speaker 1 Big problem with climate change is we keep finding these burning notes.

Speaker 1 The fish are eating them and dying. Rare fish.

Speaker 1 We're looking for someone named Adu.

Speaker 1 If you know anything about him, he's wearing an Irish sweater that he got from Liam Neeson.

Speaker 1 But I'm

Speaker 1 well, so but this is how you got interested in it. And so now you're going to go to India and it's a chance to probably see some new birds.
Oh, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, I lost all those lists from before. So there's, you know,

Speaker 1 I want to say close to a thousand species there, not specifically in that state, but there's just like so many. And I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 The venue is actually right next to a bird sanctuary, which I don't know if my fiancé knows about, but I'm probably going to sneak away. I'm about to try to bird.

Speaker 1 During the ceremony, will your eyes be kind of wandering off up into the sky? I said, I do. Do you take this woman, huh?

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 Nicely done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're going to drift away so many times, like when it's time for toast. Where is he? Ha-ka-ka-ka! Kaka-ka-ka!

Speaker 1 You're there with nine birds on your arm talking to them. That's Dr.
Bulgaria. You're joking, but that is actually.

Speaker 1 I'm not joking. I sum up a human being very quickly.
Is your fiancé into birds? She's into large mammals, and she kind of tolerates my birding. And sometimes I'll find a bird.
You know,

Speaker 1 we went to Peru earlier this year, and I was showing her, oh, look, that one's like a really prehistoric-looking bird. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then like every once in a while, I'll find something that she'll be like, oh, wow, that actually is really cool and beautiful.

Speaker 1 But. I don't know.
We got our camps. We're in the wildlife camp, but you know,

Speaker 1 we have our own areas. It's close enough.
areas. It's close enough.
Yeah. My wife is not adjacent to any of my interests in any way.
So

Speaker 1 where you are sounds, you know, much, much healthier.

Speaker 1 And I compliment you and I weep for myself.

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 1 There's a, well, I just think this is wonderful.

Speaker 1 Sona and I have been to Jaipur. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And to the, I guess they call it the pink. Is it the pink city? Is it the pink city? Yeah.
It was very pink. It was, I think, after, but anyway, we were there

Speaker 1 together. We've had so many adventures together, but we were there together, I think, around 2010.
And that was my one dip into India, and I loved it. I think it's a magical place.
I really do.

Speaker 1 It's fantastic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the most exciting thing for me outside of marrying my soon-to-be wife is showing all these people who are so near and dear to me a culture that I have kind of taken for granted.

Speaker 1 All the cool experiences. I'm allergic to niche interests.
I'm sorry. Oh my God.
He was having a nice time. He was really having a really sweet moment talking about India.
I couldn't help it.

Speaker 1 I sneezed for real and then I had to add a joke to cover my human moment. I'm sorry, continue.
So

Speaker 1 get it back. My sneeze is over.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just excited to kind of show parts of my culture that I took for granted growing up, like being invited to all these weddings, going clothes shopping, like going up into the mountains, staying in a bungalow, you know, you know, seeing elephants.

Speaker 1 And it's

Speaker 1 there's the culture, there's the environment, there's just like the country itself that I'm really excited to show people. And yeah, I'm super stoked.
It was a lot of work to get here.

Speaker 1 But quick question:

Speaker 1 I know it's a tradition. Are you going to ride in at one point on a white horse? I am not, but I am going to ride in on a vintage car.
So, okay,

Speaker 1 what car? 1987 Duet La Sabre.

Speaker 1 I don't think I have a full say on the specific car.

Speaker 1 It could be a

Speaker 1 Jaguar, hopefully, fingers crossed.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 basically, growing up for a lot of our weddings that I attended, elephants were used, riding in on elephants.

Speaker 1 Riding in on a big animal is a big thing. And I know this because

Speaker 1 none other than Jack McBray

Speaker 1 was invited to one of the Jonas brothers. I think it was Jebediah Jonas, I think.

Speaker 1 Who was married in India? And he said that

Speaker 1 the Jonas brother came in

Speaker 1 on a white horse. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the horse was like, what's Jack McBrayer doing here?

Speaker 1 Sorry, taking us far afield. No, it's fine.

Speaker 1 Elephants are, we don't ride them anymore because we found that it's actually super, you know, harmful to them. And

Speaker 1 so actually, it's good that we're kind of good moving away from that. But phasing that out.

Speaker 1 Car is nice. And

Speaker 1 my fiancé is going to be coming in on a boat. So cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, I want to go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, go on to this moment. Let's go.
Sona, just come. Can you postpone the wedding till after the Oscars? I think we postpone the Oscars.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's do it. You know what I mean? Because I would love to say the Oscars have been postponed, and people would be like, oh, you know, well, probably because of everything that's happened in L.A.

Speaker 1 and be like, no, no, no, no, not because of that. Adu is getting married and I need to be there.

Speaker 1 And he's been a good friend of mine for about 11 hours. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, sona means gold in Hindi.

Speaker 1 Okay, no one cares.

Speaker 1 I will go to Sona. Give us time to process it.
It means gold. The peanut is neither a pee nor an egg.
No, god. It's a legum.

Speaker 1 Did you know that pirates have an eye patch not because they're missing an eye. Mine was the rest of the light.
They're talking about India and that my name means gold. He kind of forced it in.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, it's just cool.
It's a cool.

Speaker 1 Can I just say

Speaker 1 choreographed dancing, though? I want, I would love to see y'all do, like, join in on the choreographed dancing. Yeah.
And this is an extra bit of enticement.

Speaker 1 If you come, we will add the string dance to the choreographed dance. All right.
And

Speaker 1 I'm getting. I'm out too.
Eduardo, book me some flights.

Speaker 1 I love yelling at us.

Speaker 1 This is your

Speaker 1 highly trained sound engineer to book. I know, but you have to be jack of all trades in these situations Eduardo get me those flights

Speaker 1 and a cup of black coffee see

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Speaker 1 well I do I'm very happy for you what is your bride's name

Speaker 1 Allison Allison okay I'm very happy for you and for Allison and trust me if I could find a transporter beam

Speaker 1 I would be there. You seem like a very cool guy, and I support.
I just love that you're using your mind to try and help the planet.

Speaker 1 I love that. I would do that, but my mind's no good.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I'm happy that you and people like you are hard at work on this.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that, Conan. Thank you.

Speaker 1 I think we're good, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I want to thank you so much, Adu, for calling in.

Speaker 1 And again, very energizing to find out that we have fans out there who are smart and funny and cool and doing good stuff

Speaker 1 and have amazing taste in sweaters. I bow to you, sir.
I bow to you. Thank you.
All right.

Speaker 1 Could I say one last thing? Sure.

Speaker 1 As an exercise, I found birds that I thought

Speaker 1 reminded me of each one of you. And I'm going to take photos.
Go, go for it. That's a quick edit right there.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is called the Andean cock of the rock.

Speaker 1 And I'll repeat that. Cock of the rock.
No, that's not the real name.

Speaker 1 That is

Speaker 1 like looking in a mirror. I'm sorry.
I'm not sure who that is.

Speaker 1 That is my bird. What's it called again? I want to write it down and make sure that they are,

Speaker 1 you know, don't go extinct.

Speaker 1 What is it called?

Speaker 1 The Andean cock of the rock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's all upper body red with a huge red pompadour. Yes.
I mean, you can't even tell what's head and what's like mating plumage or whatever. No, no, and

Speaker 1 you can tell it breeds insatiably. It's called the cock of the rock.
Yes, no, and it's just got so much sexual energy. It probably has sex with the rock.
Come on, folks.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they have like these kind of performance halls. I'm not even joking, where all the males just come and kind of unleash all their sexual energy by like bobbing and making like weird dances.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And then the female like

Speaker 1 cock of the rocks kind of just watch and see

Speaker 1 which one catches their eye. So it just kind of reminded me of Conan for some time.
You know what?

Speaker 1 I am now cock of the waft. Cock of the rock.

Speaker 1 Andean cock of the rock. Okay, I'm the Andean cock of the rock.
Yeah. I love it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's move on. What's Sona? What's that, Sona?

Speaker 1 Well, this is Sona. This is Sona.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Nice mustache, Sona. Sona, look at that.
It's got your dad's mustache. Oh, come on, man.
It does.

Speaker 1 Hey, Gil.

Speaker 1 I want to preface by saying,

Speaker 1 I love hearing you on

Speaker 1 the podcast and all the shorts. And your kind of laughter fills up the room.
And I just wanted to shout out to that.

Speaker 1 This is called the three-waddled bellbird.

Speaker 1 It's a really cool bird from like

Speaker 1 Central America. And it is one of the loudest.
birds in existence.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Its calls go to, I think, think, 100 decibels, like a rock concert almost. Oh, God.
You can hear them across like the rainforest.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Three waddled.

Speaker 1 I don't have

Speaker 1 it. You say that because we work in this office building and I'm on the top floor.
When Sona enters on the first floor, I hear it as clear as we all do.

Speaker 1 The whole building shakes because you're one of the loudest people I've ever met. Okay, yes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Three waddled bell bursts. I'm sorry, Sona.
No, no. no, you're, you know what? You're right.
And I get it. And now, and I own that about you.
And now let's move on to the fussiest of the birds.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 Yay!

Speaker 1 Oh, look at that.

Speaker 1 This is the burrowing owl. I'll take it.

Speaker 1 So, Gorley,

Speaker 1 to all of you, I've been kind of ingesting Conan content for two decades. And Gorley, you are newer on the scene for me, right?

Speaker 1 But I think you came in and you were kind of this wise presence, right? I always think of you as an owl, like the spectacles and everything.

Speaker 1 And then you kind of started to emerge as, oh, oh, he's insane as well. You know, and basically

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Berlin owl,

Speaker 1 super wise. But I mean, look at them.

Speaker 1 They're kind of insane. That middle one is crazy.
That middle one, no, it's very true that Gorley came in and we all thought, well, he's the steady hand on the tiller.

Speaker 1 He's, you know, he's clearly the experienced podcaster here.

Speaker 1 And he very quickly went quite mad.

Speaker 1 Definitely not the worst, but pretty terrible.

Speaker 1 Well, Adu, that was a real treat. And we're going to post those because we want our fans to see those.
And

Speaker 1 we should probably wrap it up. But my heartfelt congratulations to you.
And I hope our paths cross in person. That would be very cool.
I'd like to shake your hand. I would love that.

Speaker 1 I would love to do that. I have a very short

Speaker 1 Firm handshake. Congrats, Adu.
All right. Take care, Adu.
Have a great time. Thank you.
Take care.

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