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Speaker 6 Hi, Rahil. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan.

Speaker 4 Hey, everybody.

Speaker 2 Hey, Rahil, how are you?

Speaker 5 I'm doing amazing. So excited to meet you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, how are you?

Speaker 1 First of all,

Speaker 1 where are you contacting us from?

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I'm down in Miami. Oh, okay.
Other side of the U.S., yeah.

Speaker 2 Very nice. And tell us a little bit about yourself, Rahel.

Speaker 5 Yeah. So

Speaker 5 I'm currently in my fellowship. So I finished med school

Speaker 5 and I did my training. I'm still currently in my training

Speaker 5 and I'm doing gastroenterology and hepatology.

Speaker 2 Good lord, that's impressive. You're a gastroenterologist.

Speaker 1 And what was the other field too?

Speaker 5 And hepatology. So they go kind of hand in hand.

Speaker 2 Hepatology is blood.

Speaker 4 Liver. Ooh.

Speaker 2 Sorry. So, so liver connected to intestine.
Yes. Intestinal tract.
That all makes sense. Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And we'll clean that up.

Speaker 6 What do you want me to do?

Speaker 4 Who's going to clean it up?

Speaker 4 Squirrels? Okay, clean it. Edit it.
He's going to edit it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just so I know what hepatology is.

Speaker 4 Anyway,

Speaker 4 you'll do as you're told.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'm sorry, Rahil.

Speaker 5 Reconfigure it so that

Speaker 4 I'm actually blood.

Speaker 4 I'm doing great.

Speaker 5 It's great to meet you guys.

Speaker 2 Now, I've always heard hepatology is the study of the liver. Is that correct?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I actually learned that from your podcast.

Speaker 4 Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 2 That's, you know, I never make mistakes when it comes to medicine because I, too, am well trained. Well, first of all, congratulations.
You're a young man and you seem like you're very well educated.

Speaker 2 And that's very cool. And you're going to help a lot of people.
Tell us a little bit about

Speaker 2 your training. What are you interested in? Well, first of all, have you worked with a lot of patients so far?

Speaker 3 Has it all been textbook stuff?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no. So I've done, so, you know, our med school is four years after our undergrad, and then we do the three years of internal medicine, which is all, you know, patient-facing, hospital-based,

Speaker 5 long days, long hours. And then GI hepatology is another three years after that.
So I'm about halfway through right now.

Speaker 5 So it's been about four and a half, five years. This is a huge event.

Speaker 2 It's such a dedication it takes in the field of medicine.

Speaker 2 I, there is no preparation for being in company. There's no, it's, I am ashamed.
I'm ashamed that you just get to dive in and be an ass and

Speaker 2 whatever, start getting to practice immediately. I'm so impressed by the fact that you've had, you've spent years and years and years of your life preparing.

Speaker 2 And I'm glad you have because I'm sure you're going to be very good at what you do. You're going to help save a lot of lives.

Speaker 5 That's the hope. I mean, you know, even this many years in it, every day it feels like I'm still trying to figure out what's going on with everybody.

Speaker 5 So it's one of those things where learning never stops. You kind of keep going at it.
New things, new experiences, new patient interactions. It all makes it worth it.

Speaker 2 Okay. I've talked about this a lot, but can you hook me up with profofol?

Speaker 4 Oh, geez. Oh, geez.
Come on.

Speaker 2 Because I've, you know, when I've had colonoscopies, they give me this drug profofol, and I've talked about it before, but it's the happiest I've been in my entire life.

Speaker 2 It's an absolutely amazing uh feeling and it's miraculous and so if you could become my secret illegal supplier of profofol i don't see how anyone i don't see how anyone traces it back to us i don't see one way that it leaks out and it's tracked back to us that's just what i'm saying by the way i'm terrible at committing crimes

Speaker 2 um have you performed any colonoscopies is that something that they've trained you to do Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 So we kind of get into it from day one from our training. So,

Speaker 5 you know, our first year, we're fumbling around, trying to figure out what we're doing. It's a new technical skill and it's, you know, not necessarily intuitive when you get started.

Speaker 5 And then, you know, over the first year, you really get your confidence. And then second year, you really start to build your skill, build your efficiency.

Speaker 2 Can I just say, I hate to interrupt, but Brahil, doesn't that kind of suck for the...

Speaker 2 patient if you're saying like yeah you know first year you're just jamming a camera in there you don't know what you're doing it's banging up against stuff and you just have to kind of force it.

Speaker 2 Isn't that, I mean, you don't want to be, I don't want to encounter you at that stage, Rahil, as a patient. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 5 You do with propofol. It's that magic stuff that you're right.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I wake up and I don't know what's happened.

Speaker 5 Exactly. You ask, after they wake up, they ask, are we getting started? And that's the magic of propofol.

Speaker 2 Even though you've been banging around in there for three hours,

Speaker 2 banging around in there.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 2 Do you think you're pretty good at it now?

Speaker 5 I would like to think so. You know, my attendings might say otherwise behind closed doors, but at least to my face, they say I'm doing well.

Speaker 4 Good, good.

Speaker 2 I would think, when is the

Speaker 2 I would think the technology is going to improve to the point where you just swallow like a little pill or something and it works its way through your system really quickly and the pill comes out the other side and said, everything is fine.

Speaker 4 Colon.

Speaker 4 Do they?

Speaker 5 They have one of those for the small bowel, for like the small intestine. But the colon is just so wide and distended, it can't can't really take pictures of the whole thing.

Speaker 5 And thankfully, I hope it doesn't because then I'll be out of a job.

Speaker 2 See, that's the problem: technology replaces a lot of, I mean, I'll be replaced by AI in about a year. Yeah, we'll have a fake conan here.

Speaker 8 Less than a year.

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Speaker 2 Hey, it's working.

Speaker 2 Well, I think that's

Speaker 2 think that's fantastic. Now, what about you? What is it? Does looking at people's intestines,

Speaker 2 has it at all adjusted or informed the way that you eat or the way that you treat your body when you look at other people's intestines?

Speaker 5 No, and it's like, it's always a running joke. Whenever you see GI fellows,

Speaker 5 you can always like tell who they are in the hospital because they're literally just running to the cafeteria, stuffing whatever the food they can in their mouth between procedures and then running back to the procedure room.

Speaker 5 The field and the, you know, the practice is just so fast-paced and we're just running to see patients, running to do procedures.

Speaker 5 I like literally, when I tell patients and counsel them in clinic, I just basically say everything I don't do in my life. And oh my God,

Speaker 2 that's fascinating to me. So you're telling them, well, it's really good to

Speaker 2 eat a lot of roughage and don't eat processed foods. And it's really good to avoid the, and then you don't listen to it at all.

Speaker 5 I'll be stuffing a pizza in my mouth as I'm telling them that.

Speaker 4 Okay. All right.

Speaker 2 Are you pretty healthy? Are you a healthy eater other than when you're at work? When you're not, let's say you're not at work. Are you fairly healthy about your diet?

Speaker 5 I'd like, I try to be. I'm vegetarian, you know, as

Speaker 5 just religiously. So that kind of lends itself to eating more like, you know,

Speaker 5 lentils and vegetables and getting your greens in.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah, I'm not a big lentil guy, I'm going to tell you right now.
You know what?

Speaker 4 I don't like them either.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't think I've ever said, hey,

Speaker 2 I need me some lentils. Yeah.
You know, or when I'm in a restaurant, I don't, it's not the first thing I ask the waiter. Hey, you got lentils?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 2 What's the lentil situation? Let's run down the list of the lentils. Lentil of the day.

Speaker 4 Exactly.

Speaker 2 I want to see the lentil sommelier

Speaker 2 come out and taste the lentil. So

Speaker 2 do you fast ever?

Speaker 5 I do.

Speaker 5 Because that's a big thing now.

Speaker 2 People believe that fasting, and I would like your opinion on this because I know people that fast and they say it's good for them. And now there's a lot of science that's saying fasting is good.

Speaker 2 But I always wonder, is it one of those things where 10 years from now they're going to tell us, actually, it's terrible for you. We changed our minds, you know?

Speaker 5 I think, well, so I think the, and I don't know,

Speaker 5 this is just what I've seen off of Instagram, probably, but

Speaker 4 you're a doctor, are you not?

Speaker 2 Hi, doctor. Can you tell us what you're seeing on Instagram?

Speaker 4 Can I have some of that pizza?

Speaker 4 Hello, doctor.

Speaker 2 Tell me what's on TikTok.

Speaker 4 Go ahead. Sorry.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 5 No, I was going to say, I feel like I've seen some people or some some

Speaker 5 other experts kind of saying that the data around intermittent fasting isn't all that it was cracked up to be earlier.

Speaker 5 So, you know, but you know, as far as fasting,

Speaker 5 I do, not necessarily for the health benefits, but I did just in terms of religion.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay. What is

Speaker 2 it? Can you tell me specifically what your religion is?

Speaker 5 Yeah, so my religion is called Jainism. Um, so practitioners are called Jain.
Um, and so we have kind of, you know, there's similar things in other cultures.

Speaker 5 There's like Ramadan for people who follow Islam. There's like Lent and things like that.
But in Jainism, we have this eight-day, eight or 10-day religious festival called. Baryushan.

Speaker 5 And during that time, we can do different days of fasting. You know, some people will do just the last day and then, you know, kind of as much as you can.
So I've done eight day fasts

Speaker 5 basically no food.

Speaker 2 Eight-day fast.

Speaker 4 Yes, I mean,

Speaker 2 no food of any kind, or can you take some sustenance?

Speaker 5 Just boiled water when there's daylight out. And this kind of stretches back, you know, to the start of the religion and the different like

Speaker 5 pre-technology ages and stuff like that. But, but, yeah, just water for eight days.

Speaker 4 Uh, okay.

Speaker 4 I have questions.

Speaker 2 Uh,

Speaker 2 as a doctor, do you think that that's okay to go eight days without any food other than water?

Speaker 5 I don't.

Speaker 5 This was all pre-med school.

Speaker 5 This was like me in undergrad, me in med school.

Speaker 5 I don't think it's the healthiest. I don't think it's the healthiest thing to do.

Speaker 5 I do think it's a really interesting test of determination, interesting test of self-will.

Speaker 5 And you can really push your body to the limit in a way that, you know, outside of thinking medical, but you can really see what your body is capable of in those eight days.

Speaker 6 Are you even able to get out of bed on the eighth day? Are you debilitated?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, you can live life as is.

Speaker 5 You know, one, the first time I did it, I was in undergrad, the second time I was in med school, and you live life as is.

Speaker 5 You know, the first couple of days are the hardest where you're, you know, I feel like if it's 11 o'clock and I'm like, it's lunchtime,

Speaker 5 your body's just so used to it. And then after like day one, day two, your body kind of adjusts to that feeling feeling of, I'm, I'm not eating.
And so, let me occupy myself with other stuff.

Speaker 5 And then the rest of the week, honestly, just kind of you just don't feel that sensation of hunger as much.

Speaker 1 You, you know, why?

Speaker 2 I think once you get it. That's because your body is eating itself.

Speaker 4 On day seven, hey, I don't feel so bad.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just ate your heart.

Speaker 4 Your body's like, I'm good.

Speaker 9 Yeah, liver's gone, heart's gone.

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Speaker 2 I mean, it's all

Speaker 2 fascinating to me because clearly there is a large religious component.

Speaker 2 And in many religions, there's a big religious religious component to denying yourself food, fasting, going without, and people feeling like they reach a higher plane

Speaker 2 or that they feel that they've gained something

Speaker 2 by seeing what they could do by denying themselves. So there's clearly some kind of link here.
It's just we don't know, obviously, what this, completely what the science is.

Speaker 2 And maybe it's different for all kinds of people.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, I mean, I just going through the experience, it really showed like what the body is capable of.

Speaker 5 Was it the healthiest thing? I doubt it.

Speaker 5 But it was an experience.

Speaker 2 And how do you break after eight days? Yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 7 Do you get a

Speaker 2 nine-tiered hamburger? What do you get? I mean, I know you're a vegetarian. I'm just thinking about what I would do.

Speaker 2 I would try to go to In N-Out and say, can you make a hamburger that has nine patties?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I can.

Speaker 2 That's structurally sound.

Speaker 4 I just pull like a deck of cards.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I want a card dealer in here, a really good one to shuffle the patties and make a nine-tiered sandwich. And then I want my jaw unlocked so I can eat it in one bite.

Speaker 2 What is your, what is your, what do you, when you,

Speaker 2 when you would break fast, what would you eat?

Speaker 5 So you actually have to go very slow

Speaker 5 because you basically have to rewake your bowel.

Speaker 5 And you're not going to like this, but it's not even lentils, but it's like lentil water. So like the water that you break your lentils.

Speaker 2 I'm a big fan of lentil water.

Speaker 4 Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 2 I am a foe of the lentil.

Speaker 2 That is my lifelong foe, is the lentil, but lentil water and I are best chums.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's just that and like sugar water. And

Speaker 5 you just try to wake your, you know, wake your GI system back up, and then you slowly, slowly advance diet.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 6 Do you have a question for Conan, Rahil?

Speaker 1 I do.

Speaker 5 And it's like a, you know, a life life dilemma that I'd love to get some insight of yours.

Speaker 5 So I am planning on proposing to my girlfriend.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 so, you know, I'm about to start the whole ring shopping thing.

Speaker 5 And her parents happen to be jewelers. And so I'd like to know how you would kind of navigate the clear conflict of interest when I have no negotiating power on my side.

Speaker 2 Okay, so your question is you don't want to purchase the ring from the parents.

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 5 I do, but how would I get the best deal or negotiate my way when I have no power on my side?

Speaker 4 Can you hack them with your future in-laws?

Speaker 6 Are you assuming they're not going to give you the best deal that they might be trying to make a profit on?

Speaker 2 Do you get along with your girlfriend's parents?

Speaker 5 No, I do. I do.

Speaker 4 They're lovely. They're lovely.

Speaker 2 Okay, so my guess is they're going to give you a good deal.

Speaker 6 But that's the assumption that, you know, that's...

Speaker 8 He can't go anywhere else.

Speaker 5 He can't go to another jeweler.

Speaker 8 So they're just going to be like, oh, he's going to pay whatever we tell him to pay.

Speaker 2 I would,

Speaker 4 I mean, for three times the price. I don't know these people.

Speaker 2 I don't know who they are. You tell me they're nice people.

Speaker 2 I'm questioning whether you have to buy the ring from them.

Speaker 5 You have to.

Speaker 2 Well, you could say, Rahiel, that it's important for you that the ring you give

Speaker 2 your future wife have passed through your body.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's not where I thought you. I said, like listen where I'm going.

Speaker 6 I just want to be an independent man. No, no.

Speaker 2 That uh that and you it's important to you that A, you buy the ring and that then it passed through your GI tract.

Speaker 3 Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 In order because that's such an important part of your life. And they're not going to want to sell, they're not going to want to sell you one of their rings once they hear that.

Speaker 5 It's a symbolism of it's a symbol of your

Speaker 2 you

Speaker 2 It's a symbol of what you do, your profession, what you're giving your life to, but also you are willing to process this ring in every way that a human can process something. And

Speaker 2 then they're going to not want to sell you a ring at that point.

Speaker 6 No, because there's a good chance it'll get stuck in there like a sunflower seed.

Speaker 1 It's not.

Speaker 4 What? Rahio,

Speaker 2 you'll buy a ring that will pass easily through the lower bow, will you not?

Speaker 5 Yeah, at my current fellow salary, I don't think I can afford anything that's going to get stuck.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And you can also encase it in a prune or something that's going to go through pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 Don't eat the ring.

Speaker 8 Don't eat the ring.

Speaker 2 Oh, you're telling me that what I'm telling him is stupid?

Speaker 2 How is it stupid that he buys a ring, stick it in a prune, eat it, pass it through his body, clean it off, and give it to his wife and bypass her parents who are jewelers?

Speaker 2 I don't see one problem with that plan. Rahil, what do you think?

Speaker 5 I can get behind most of it.

Speaker 2 Well, listen, in all seriousness, I think you buy the ring from them. Are they going to be able to keep their mouths shut? Because you do want it to be a surprise when you give her the ring.

Speaker 5 I know. And so I don't know if I can tell her whenever this podcast comes out, if she can listen to it or if I missed it right.

Speaker 4 Or if I cut it halfway. I don't know if she's.

Speaker 2 She's an intelligent woman. I'm assuming she's not listening.

Speaker 4 So I think you're okay.

Speaker 6 Do you think our parents are going to have a lot of input on what the ring is? Or do you get to choose that freely?

Speaker 5 We've kind of... talked about it um and they've they've told me what her preferences are

Speaker 3 for god's sake she already knows

Speaker 4 what preferences are Most expensive. I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think they can keep a secret, so I'm hoping.

Speaker 2 But do they know what she wants? Because you keep talking about what, you know, Eduardo brings up a good point, which is they know what their preferences are, but what's her preference?

Speaker 5 No, they've said, you know, they're a family of jewelers.

Speaker 5 A couple generations. So jewelry is very ingrained.
I think they've always talked about that kind of stuff, like over the dinner table, probably.

Speaker 5 And so they definitely know her preferences.

Speaker 5 And I think they're they're definitely guiding me the right way.

Speaker 5 They're sweet people. And this is obviously said with a touch of jest.
But

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 I think it's all going to go swimmingly. I just want to make sure that it's a nice surprise.
You know, that

Speaker 2 when you pull that ring out

Speaker 4 of yourself. Oh, my God.
That it's a surprise. That's now part of the proposal.

Speaker 8 He's pulling it out of his body.

Speaker 4 If he times it right now, it's working.

Speaker 2 If he times it right, he can say, how do you get over here?

Speaker 4 No, no.

Speaker 8 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's got to rinse it first. You can't just

Speaker 4 water running.

Speaker 2 Get over now! Get over it now!

Speaker 4 Squat? Here you go.

Speaker 4 You're gonna squat?

Speaker 6 Your fiancé can never listen to you.

Speaker 2 You could fire it across the room.

Speaker 4 Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Like a carnival game?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Stick your finger out, honey.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Here she comes.

Speaker 4 Your parents helped me pick it out.

Speaker 2 Your parents picked it out a week ago. And then I ate it with a lot of corn.

Speaker 4 Now listen,

Speaker 4 I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 Rahil. Come on.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 2 Rahiel.

Speaker 2 I'm looking right now at a transcript of this entire conversation, and I see that I've made no missteps whatsoever. Everything I've said is rational and should be done.

Speaker 2 So congratulations. No, Rahil, you are an impressive young man.
I think you're going to have a great career. I wish you the best with this proposal.
I think it's all going to go swimmingly.

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