29 Seasons of Paranormal: Ghosts, Curses, and Legends | Jay Wasley DSH #1322

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Speaker 1 Tend to happen better for you.

Speaker 1 And I think that kind of plays into like the voodoo world and curses. Like, if you know, like, shit, like, this person just did this to me, that's in your head now.

Speaker 1 But even if there's not, just knowing that you're like, oh no, like, cursed. Yeah.
You're going to go around thinking that. And then naturally, bad things are going to start happening.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, guys. Got a fan favorite back in town, Jay.
Yeah. Been busy, man.
It's good to be here. Yeah, new season coming out soon.
Yeah, we're excited about it.

Speaker 1 It's been, I mean, we've been filming non-stop and it's been a little while since new episodes came out. So we're really excited for this new season.

Speaker 1 And I mean, I've been doing this 15 years now and it just gets crazier. Like there's been moments where I'm like, all right, what else could I see? What else could I experience that's going to really,

Speaker 1 and it happens. Like we just have things happen this whole season.
Like pretty much every episode, there's at least one or two things that just still are blowing my mind.

Speaker 1 So I'm super excited for everyone to finally be able to see it. Yeah, because I was going to ask you, like, does anything faze you at this point? You've seen a lot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's times where it doesn't.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like there is a numbness that comes with it, but ultimately, like, when there's like, like, we're going for that like holy grail of evidence at this point. And we feel like we get it.

Speaker 1 Like, there's multiple episodes that we've called visual evidence that. we cannot explain whatsoever.
Wow.

Speaker 1 We were doing a seance at the Winchester Mystery House this new season.

Speaker 1 And it's the 100th anniversary of when Houdini was last there doing a seance. Whoa.
So we tracked down the only known blood relative of Houdini, brought him in to join us in the seance.

Speaker 1 And we were using Polaroid cameras to document evidence. And we got this thing that was just like, you just, you'll see it.
It's just flying around the table. And it's, it's, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 It's super cool. Houdini's a light.
Yeah. And what's awesome about Polaroids too is, you know, for everyone that's a skeptic out there, we like using Polaroids because it's right then.

Speaker 1 You know, you can actually show it and we're filming the process. You see the picture come out, it develops, we can show you right on the spot.
You know, there's no time to like do anything with it.

Speaker 1 It's literally right there, a physical piece of evidence. That's cool.
Do certain cameras capture the spirits or whatever better? Yeah, we use a lot of different types of cameras.

Speaker 1 We try to shoot for like what we see here is like the visible light spectrum, but we know like there's other types of light that exist. There's infrared light, there's UV light, things like that.

Speaker 1 So we'll use cameras that are basically designed to be able to see an ultraviolet light, to be able to see an infrared light

Speaker 1 and kind of basically capture things that we can't see with our regular eyes. Yeah, the heat one I noticed, the spirits have a different heat, right? Yeah, we use a lot.

Speaker 1 We use thermal cameras as well that pick up heat segments, excuse me, pick up heat signatures or even cold signatures too. Like we've had human forms appear, but it's like mapped as cold.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 And then it kind of plays into the thing where people get like the chills and they feel like that cold air is suddenly moving in kind of thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we've been able to document that as well, which is really cool. Have you ever gone to chills somewhere? Oh, yeah.
All the time. Yeah.
And like, honestly, like, that's kind of where it starts.

Speaker 1 Honestly, like a lot of people are like, oh, what's your favorite piece of equipment? What kind of, you know, what should I buy? I'm like, learn it yourself. Trust your body.
Trust your own feelings.

Speaker 1 You know, we're not psychics. We're not mediums.
We're not anything like that. But where I feel like we are in tune to things and we've been doing it long enough where like we know our bodies.

Speaker 1 We know when we feel something. We walk into a room.
We start feeling something. And we're like, all right, let's pay attention to this room, to this spot.

Speaker 1 And then we start bringing out the different cameras, the different devices to then document it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and to be kind of like, you know, just before this, we were talking about like to be able to like feel something and then prove it is, it's, you know. It's a good feeling.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 You know, you're not crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. It must be second nature for you at this point.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Like, and even, you know, there's times throughout the day too, where like we're not filming and I try to just be like, all right, I'm not even, like, I'll, you know, I'll be like, oh, there's something weird here, but I'm like, no, I'm not even playing into it.

Speaker 1 Cause it's like, I'll leave work at work at this point.

Speaker 1 You must have nightmares all the time. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. Sleeping is not the because you sleep at the location, right?

Speaker 1 Uh, no, we'll, we'll spend all night there and then we'll, we'll finally wrap up and then we'll go back to a hotel. But that's the thing, too, after an investigation, you're pumped.

Speaker 1 Like you're also terrified. You're trying to process what you just experienced, especially if it was a really intense one.
You're trying to figure out what just happened.

Speaker 1 It messes with your mind, you know, it kind of, of, so it's not easy just to be like, all right, I'm just going to go back to the hotel and go to sleep.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you're wide awake, you're wired, but you're exhausted. Like it's such a weird, it messes with your body a lot.
Yeah. And I think for what we do too, we really open ourselves up to it.

Speaker 1 So like just that on an energetic level, a spiritual level, it really kind of messes with you, honestly. I bet.
Do you have ways of protecting your energy?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I try to just keep myself balanced and grounded.

Speaker 1 I like nature. I play music, doing things that just kind of break.
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Speaker 1 Bring positive energy to me and kind of rebalance anything negative that's been around me. That makes sense.
Yeah, you're you're killing the music stuff right now, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The band Hundred in the Hand.

Speaker 1 Uh, we've been playing some shows, been doing a lot of recording, and hopefully, we're going to try to get out there this summer some more and maybe play some festivals and other shows and things.

Speaker 1 I love it. Yeah.
What a big change from ghost hunting to a bad life. Well, that's where it started, honestly.
Music was my first love. That's kind of originally when I was a kid.

Speaker 1 I played music and that's what got me into filmmaking was, you know, I grew up when MTV was still playing music videos. And, you know, I wanted to make music videos.

Speaker 1 So I got, you know, my parents' VHS camera, started learning how to use it, how to edit. And I just made these, you know, crappy little music videos for my middle school bands and high school bands.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of how I started learning how to film and edit. Oh, that's cool.
And that's how you started on the ghost show too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was the sound mixer originally, just recording the audio and then just kind of evolved from there. Wow.
That's cool. Was it like a specific moment that they were like, yo, start coming? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was, we were doing an episode at Johnny Cash's house in Jamaica.
Oh. And which is wild because it's set up just the way it was when he left.
Like, you wouldn't even think he's dead.

Speaker 1 And that spot was haunted? Yeah. There was a lot of claims.
I guess it's owned by his estate and they just keep it, they keep it up and running. So they let us in there.

Speaker 1 They investigate. I wasn't investigating at the time.
I was just there for the first half of the show to record audio. And then I would kind of stay out and they do their thing.

Speaker 1 After that, the next episode, we're driving somewhere in Arizona and Zach's like, hey, Jay, check out this EVP we got, which an EVP, if you don't know, is electronic voice phenomena.

Speaker 1 When you're recording audio and if you're asking questions or trying to communicate and then you get responses in the silence and you know no one's talking, you could check the video footage, no one else is talking, but you hear clear voices.

Speaker 1 And sometimes these voices are actually, you know, reacting to you and your questions, which brings it to a whole other level.

Speaker 1 So he plays this EVP and you hear Zach say, do you like Johnny Cash's music? And this EVP goes, yeah. Like a real, like, you know, and I'm like, damn, that sounds like Johnny Cash.

Speaker 1 And then I was like, you know what? You could do?

Speaker 1 You could take a sample of Johnny Cash's voice and basically make a waveform analysis and kind of develop like a frequency fingerprint, if you will, of his voice.

Speaker 1 And then take the EVP and do the same thing and then overlay them and see how much they line up. And he's like, You can do that.
I'm like, Yeah, I'm a tech nerd. That's what I do.

Speaker 1 So he's like, All right, well, have you do that? And then he's like, Then he brought me on camera, and that was my first on-camera appearance with doing this analysis, and it actually lined up to be

Speaker 1 voice. Yeah, what? Yeah, and is that a unique thing to each voice?

Speaker 1 Like, can someone, yeah, it's basically like a fingerprint, like you know, there's variables, there's some crossover, but like it was amazingly like, wow, spot on. That's nuts.

Speaker 1 You keep the same voice even when you pass away.

Speaker 1 exactly that's interesting right yeah that's super trippy to think about have you ever had a real clear conversation with the spirit like just like sentences more than just words like actual we've had stuff we've had uh i'm trying to remember there was one we did in south i think it was in charleston south carolina where this woman was hung and we were like asking her like she i forget the phrase but she had like a famous phrase she said when right before she died and we're like what did you say and then it comes through like the whole phrase we're like wow like that's that's not just a single word.

Speaker 1 You know, we've had conversations. We've had voices come through with a few words.
And then minutes later, the same voice is coming through.

Speaker 1 And then again, you know, so like it shows that whatever this, it's an intelligent spirit and it can communicate with us. Interesting.
Yeah, because the spirit boxes will pick up on words, right?

Speaker 1 But not like full-on conversations. Well, it has.
We've actually even picked up conversations between spirits. No way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've had things that say like, you know, I'm just kind of just as a reference, maybe not exact, but like they're like, they're here. They see us.

Speaker 1 And then you hear another voice be like, no, they don't. And like, they're almost like they're communicating back and forth.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, it makes me wonder, like, do they look at us as we're ghosts? You know, how, what's it like from their perspective?

Speaker 1 You know, what we think of a ghost is there in their realm, in their world, or are they looking at us and be like, there's a ghost?

Speaker 1 You know, it's kind of a weird, you know, trippy thing to think about. So are you a full believer now?

Speaker 1 Because I remember when you came on two years ago, you were like, you're still looking for solid proof.

Speaker 1 I mean, i believe it uh i still approach things skeptically i still like to try to have it you know uh documented like solid evidence but you know but i believe it i mean i've experienced it's been 15 years now doing this and without a doubt there's more to this reality than just this what we see what we experience um and i know that from what i've seen what i've felt i've been dragged backwards i've seen things lift off the ground i've seen exorcisms possessions uh rituals all kinds of things i've seen shadow figures i've seen you know pretty much you name it i've seen it at this point so like what it all 100 is i don't know and i still like i'll never say like i'm an expert that i know this i'm just experienced in doing it and i have theories and but like hands down there's more to this yeah You guys still doing the house calls too?

Speaker 1 We're not doing house calls right now. We did do another season of that, I think, since last time we talked, but I don't think it's aired yet.
Okay. But yeah, we're not doing that right now.

Speaker 1 But like like that was fun and like learned a whole other aspect because a lot of regular show we go out there.

Speaker 1 We're investigating like the history of the stories where house calls kind of gave it more of a personal touch and kind of almost learning that like people around the country or around the world experience these things in their homes

Speaker 1 where 20 years ago they would be called crazy for even talking about this.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 so we can go in there and kind of like either like be like, hey, you're not crazy. Like there is something going on here.
Here's the proof.

Speaker 1 You know, and we'll try to cleanse and we'll try to help the family kind of get rid of it. And it gives them peace.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's cool, what I like about that show specifically is we do follow up with every family a couple of months later. We check in with it and we put it on the end of the show.

Speaker 1 We just zoom in with them and kind of be like, how's it been going? You know, this is kind of what we discovered. This is what we found.

Speaker 1 And, you know, thankfully, I feel the majority of the people are actually feel better and that we were actually able to help them. Yeah.
If your house is haunted, would you move out?

Speaker 1 No, because I'm sure my house is haunted, honestly.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I try to ignore it as much as I can.

Speaker 1 I don't hunt my own house. I kind of just, you know, but there's definitely times where I'm like, all right, like, I'm just not even not even paying attention.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you got the artifact room, right? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's stuff. I hear things in there moving around.
I have a set of wind chimes that are like just hanging on one of the doors to the cabinets that have a bunch of wild stuff in it.

Speaker 1 And I'll hear that like just ringing every once in a while. And

Speaker 1 there's no wind in there. Oh, it's inside? yeah it's inside but it's like full on like that's crazy yeah

Speaker 1 what's the craziest object you think you got in there oh man there's a few i have one piece i really actually have a piece of a mummy like like the wrapping of a mummy yeah which is pretty cool where'd you get that uh from egypt wow like i found it through a guy that you know you know it's legitimate but it's an actual piece of like an old mummy that's crazy um i have like some old other like ancient Egyptian artifacts that are pretty cool.

Speaker 1 Like, they're just, you hold it and you're like, yeah, there's some energy to this. I have a, it's kind of ironic.

Speaker 1 I have this little, uh, like, it's like a cross stitch, like something you think like a grandma would make, uh, but it was hanging on the wall during an axe murdering of a family. Jeez.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, like, even though it's like this like pretty little grandma cross-stitch thing, like, it witnessed this brutal murder. Wow.
Yeah. Yeah.
I definitely think objects can hold some sort of energy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 1 There's a whole thing called the stone tape theory where like, you know, anything that's an organic surface, like wood or rock, things like that, they actually have a memory and they can store that energy um and there was a the japanese scientist that proved this yeah water experiments you know about the projection of positive and negative energy and how that can actually affect things on a molecular level i saw that that study was crazy right yeah you could speak positively to the water and it would uh be better than yeah it would basically form like these beautiful crystals when it was frozen and then yeah but the opposite you yell at it you project hate to it it's going to form malfigured and disfigured looking crystals.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it just shows like that's, and we're what, 70, 80% water.
So what is that doing to us?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that study alone pretty much proves hauntings to me. Yeah.
Absolutely. Like if there's tragic events that happen somewhere, that energy is going to stay there.

Speaker 1 And that's the thing that like always sticks with me. Like that makes sense 100% to me.
Like it's almost like this energy loop.

Speaker 1 And you go in there, you can document this like negative energy that's still there or positive energy. Right.

Speaker 1 But then when we get the things that are actually interacting with us and communicating with us directly, that's where it still like takes it to a whole other level of like, are these different dimensions?

Speaker 1 Is it like piercing through a different time period? You know, are they ghosts? What we think of ghosts? You know, like there's so many different theories that I love exploring.

Speaker 1 And kind of, you know, there's not one that I'm like, this is definitely it. Like I'm always still.
Yeah. You know, kind of revolving and learning from it.

Speaker 1 The time travel theory is nuts because I remember when you came on last time, you were like, the ghost knew you were coming somewhere. Right.
Yeah. Like that's crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We've had people like literally like, oh, like the day that like we signed the contract that we're like locked in.

Speaker 1 We're going to do this episode then someone investigated like they were just in there and they're like our voices came through things like that

Speaker 1 yeah well i've heard from a lot of like spiritual people that there's no time when we pass away exactly it's not linear yeah so like basically everything that's happened is happening and will happening is all happening at the same time yeah and that could be what ghost encounters are it's almost like in certain spaces there's like these like holes that you can almost pierce through and see into these other you know what we call time periods you know, but it's all happening.

Speaker 1 Like every reality is happening. So like what it exactly is, I don't know, but that's one of my favorite theories right now.
That is interesting.

Speaker 1 I hear also from a lot of people that Vegas is pretty haunted. Oh yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
We just did a case. It won't be in this new season.
It'll probably be in the season after that where we did a home here and we were all like, honestly, we were all messed up from it. Damn.

Speaker 1 From a home? Yeah. This house, like it had a fire.

Speaker 1 They think it was like all based around this object that this guy guy got and whoa I can't go too much into it but we ended up like the only thing we could do to help was take the object out of there and we all got messed up some even worse than others

Speaker 1 but it's weird how like it happened and then as soon as that happened like all of us just were having issues like all kinds of levels and unfortunately some of us even way worse than others oh my gosh yeah i gotta look into that one yeah so was that object curse you think or something uh we think so it's just something about this one object that and that's the thing thing there's certain objects that if it's to do with the energy or something like it's holding on to like just such an extreme negative energy that it affects people around it well i know in the museum there's a couple of those right yeah locked in their glass case yeah absolutely there's a glass case or salt like the dybbuk box is one of them yeah i mean there's a lot of things in there that you know like i don't know I explore it.

Speaker 1 So I kind of embrace it.

Speaker 1 And I, you know, even though it's terrifying and I guess could be cursed, like we have like the, they have the devil's rocking chair, which is like a cursed rocking chair and like i've sat in it because you know it's kind of crazy but like savage i was like i want to see what happens did your back hurt uh no honestly like it was it was a weird moment but unfortunately like but also good i guess nothing crazy happened from it for me at least yeah you know have you ever looked into voodoo dolls oh yeah you think those are legit uh i think so i think there's a aspect to it you know where it's almost like

Speaker 1 i don't know i i'm not dismissing it i don't i try not to dismiss anything as a possibility because really anything is possible I think yeah but I think with voodoo dolls a lot of it is knowing like it's kind of the same thing as like a manifestation or like you know positive affirmations or negative affirmations like if you're going around every day of your life being like man I'm cursed like even if you're not cursed nothing happened but you're like I must be cursed like I've had bad luck and this is happening and this is happening and today sucks.

Speaker 1 I'm no good. Like that's going to keep happening.
100%. You know, because you're going to start noticing everything.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 But then you can change that by being positive and you know usually the more positive you can be the more you know outlooking you can be to the future and positive like things tend to happen better for you yeah and i think that kind of plays into like the voodoo world and curses like if you know like shit like this person just did this to me that's in your head now

Speaker 1 so like even if there's nothing I'm not saying there isn't, but even if there is nothing on like a magical spiritual level that's doing anything, which I think there is something to it.

Speaker 1 I think there is. But even if there's there's not, just knowing that you're like, oh no, like I'm cursed.
Yeah. You're going to go around thinking that.

Speaker 1 And then naturally bad things are going to start happening. Yeah.
Have you ever investigated like a witch or like

Speaker 1 something like that? Yeah, we've done witches. We did a voodoo.

Speaker 1 I guess I forget her title, but like a voodoo practitioner. Oh, yeah.
Down in New Orleans and watched her do some rituals and things. And she definitely summoned up some crazy stuff.

Speaker 1 I remember we caught pretty wild evidence down there. Really? Yeah.
Wow. That's crazy.
Yeah. All the folk, all the folk tales we learned growing up are actually like real.
But it's crazy.

Speaker 1 Like when you get into like the idea of curses and stuff, in the new season, we actually do an episode at the museum. Yeah.
Cause Zach got

Speaker 1 a new object and it's ashes of this serial killer.

Speaker 1 And literally yesterday, you know, unfortunately, it's not going to be in the show, but we just found out the lady that brought that to us and we interviewed, she just got involved in some crazy shootout, like random thing with the police.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, like it's just weird how like these things happen.

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Speaker 1 what like what is happening here it makes you wonder about like demonic possession and how people can be influenced to do certain actions yeah and it like kind of messes with you and almost overtakes you and that was the thing uh with our premiere episode this new season, which starts April 16th.

Speaker 1 We dive into the poltergeist house, which was the original location of the poltergeist movies from the 80s. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I don't know if you know too much of that, but it's like riddled of controversy and tragedy. And there's a whole idea of a curse.
Four actors of the film died.

Speaker 1 either during filming or shortly after.

Speaker 1 People had experiences at the house. Like they feel like there was an actual curse, which like kind of coincided with the actual movie plot.

Speaker 1 So we dove into that. And what's crazy when we went into that, it was like, this is just going to be an episode.

Speaker 1 And we got absolutely insane evidence, like full on, like to me, one of almost like the holy grail of evidence that you want to get.

Speaker 1 And it was so impressive to us that we were like, we got to dive even further. So we went into even more and it ended up becoming a two-hour special.
Wow. I'm going to watch that one for sure.

Speaker 1 That sounds crazy. Yeah, it's wild.
It's a 10 p.m. Discovery channel.
And then it airs, streams next day on Macs and Discovery Plus. Nice.
I got HBO Max. That's good.
You guys are leveling up.

Speaker 1 It's good. That's wild.
What platform did you guys start on? We started on Travel Channel. Oh, on Travel Channel.
Yeah. So we were on there forever.

Speaker 1 And then it was kind of weird,

Speaker 1 which was great. You know, I love it all.
I'm very thankful. But we went from Travel Channel and then Discovery.

Speaker 1 and Warner Brothers merged together and Discovery came out with their own streaming platform called Discovery Plus. So and then we launched a special at like the launch of that streaming service.

Speaker 1 And it did so well. They're like, we want you exclusive now

Speaker 1 just for, you know, Discovery Plus. Like you're just going to be all your new episodes.
So for about two years or so, all our new episodes went strictly to streaming on Discovery Plus.

Speaker 1 They would show reruns on Travel Channel still, like maybe a few months later. But then we went there for a while.

Speaker 1 And then, I guess, two years ago, they were finally like, no, we're going to bring you back. And they put us.
So we air on an actual Discovery channel now.

Speaker 1 I think they still show stuff on travel, like old episodes, but everything new is on discovery first and then streams next. That's cool, man.
The longevity is impressive.

Speaker 1 You guys got to be the longest running show. Yeah, it's season 29, what they're calling it.
Like, I don't even know exactly. You think you'd run out their calling by now, but no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's still going. And that's the thing, too.
Like, you know, these episodes, that's why I'm excited for people to finally see it. Cause we did these a while ago.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, we've been sitting on this kind of like, I want to talk about it. I want to, people to see this because it's been amazing.
And we can't, you know, because it has to be.

Speaker 1 Oh, so you did this years ago? not years ago it was probably in like the last you know last year for sure okay um

Speaker 1 uh poltergeist we did kind of sooner but because of what we discovered and how it went we pushed it up we're like all right this has to be in this one uh there was another episode we did uh down at whiskey pete's heard of that that's close to here right yeah it's kind of down by buffalo bills like uh when you're if you're driving to la it's like that last you know batch of casinos around state line

Speaker 1 uh and they're closing down so it was cool to be able to go into a casino that's empty yeah and just quiet. And it's like, just that alone is so surreal to go into a casino and it's just super quiet.

Speaker 1 I remember during COVID, it was kind of like that over here. Yeah.
Yeah. It's such a weird feeling.

Speaker 1 It didn't feel like Vegas, man. Yeah.
But that was another episode that we did more recently. We brought out the comedian, Matt Reif.
Oh, he's cool. Yeah, he came out, which was, I was impressed.

Speaker 1 Like, he's an actual like investigator. Like, really? He does his own ghost hunts.
Like, he's 100% hardcore into it. What?

Speaker 1 Really cool to see and really cool to be able to investigate with him.

Speaker 1 But that was another episode that was like just so good that we're like, all right, no, we're, this, this has got to move up. Like, this can't wait.
Like, we want to push this one out now.

Speaker 1 I love that. Shout out to Matt.
I remember Post Malone came on a few years after. Yeah, we had Post Malone out.
He was, and that's another thing. Like, he ghost hunted after that.

Speaker 1 I remember him hitting us up and be like, hey, can I borrow some gear? I'm going to do this ghost hunt here. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 1 we also do an episode, which is cool, too. We brought out another guest.

Speaker 1 at the Glen Tavern Inn, we bring out Jonathan Davis, who's the lead singer of the band Corn. Oh, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which was another one like you know you wouldn't expect to be like into ghost hunting but like he was full on into it damn yeah and i think uh what was interesting with him like he had a different take on things because uh before he was famous rock star uh he actually worked as a mortician so like he kind of dealt with that world in his own way so it was kind of cool to bring his energy and to mix him with ours yeah he probably saw some stuff

Speaker 1 that's nuts have you have you guys ever been denied from filming somewhere uh yeah i'm sure like you you know, we reach out.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of places that like, I don't know, some places don't want the stigma of being like, oh yeah, we're haunted.

Speaker 1 Like either people, like some, especially businesses, like they'll, sometimes they'll embrace it. And honestly, you can make a whole thing of it.

Speaker 1 You know, there's hotels that are like, we're the most haunted hotel in America. There's probably 50 of them that claim to be the most haunted hotel.
And like people go there because of that.

Speaker 1 But then there's other ones that are like, no, we don't even want to like,

Speaker 1 you know, encourage that.

Speaker 1 We don't even want to like promote that we might be haunted or, you know we don't even want to talk about the bad history that we've had here uh Vegas is a tough one like we've tried to do different places but a lot of like the casinos are just like zero like I could see that you know it's only positive press like we don't even want negativity or we don't want anything and that's the thing like there's so much that goes on in these casinos that no one even knows like they cover it up a lot of casinos have their own security their own police force that's like the whole like you know you know the stereotype like they'll take you out the back door sometimes and like you know so it's not known really it's not a big deal like you know people die they kind of sneak them out and like try to you know cover it up before the news gets out there i heard there's like a death a week or something crazy like that i mean i'm sure just with like people getting trouble with money or even just suicides yeah you know it's unfortunate but like it's always happening yeah uh you recently did underground tunnels beneath paris uh not recently that was actually a while ago that was a while ago yeah but that was i saw you on a pod talking about it yeah that was probably one of the most surreal places i think i've ever been um it was for a special we did called netherworld which was really cool uh and we went out to paris and

Speaker 1 you know before going we had it set up so basically under paris are still 300 miles worth of tunnels

Speaker 1 um that originally were mines but then during the plague times they ran out of places to put the bodies so they just started dumping bodies down in these old mines uh Eventually, they tried to clean them all up and they made like a museum.

Speaker 1 They made like a sanctuary that you can go visit and see all these bones and things like that and kind of like honor the people that died back then. But there's still these 300 miles of tunnels.

Speaker 1 So we set it up with these guys that we're going to go down there. We're going to tour the tunnels.
And when we get to go do it, we had to push it back because of filming.

Speaker 1 You know, we end up filming late and then we're like, can we just do it tomorrow night instead? And they were like, no, we're out. And they just backed out on us.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So we're like, shit, like, we're already over here in France. Like, this is, we need this.
This is like the heart of what we want to do here.

Speaker 1 If we don't have this, like, I don't even know if we can have a show. But, um,

Speaker 1 and so we're outside of our hotel and a fan walks by and spots us and we're all kind of in a bad mood. And she's like, what's going on?

Speaker 1 We're like, oh, we just lost our connection to going to the catacombs. And she's like, oh, I know some guys that know the catacombs.
We're like, all right. So she's like, basically like called them.

Speaker 1 She's like, meet these guys at this. you know, intersection at this time of day.
And it was like something out of a movie where like, we have no idea who these guys are.

Speaker 1 Like, we're just like, all right, we're just going to go meet these guys. And, And, you know, from a production standpoint, we're like, okay, we'll meet up with them.

Speaker 1 We'll do like a little, we'll film us meeting them. And then we'll kind of stop.

Speaker 1 We'll like, you know, like change, put on better boots and kind of prepare to like go into the tunnels with different cameras.

Speaker 1 We literally walked up to these guys and they're like, you want to go down there? And we're like, yeah, let's go. And they're like, all right, hurry, follow us.

Speaker 1 And they start taking off and they barely speak English. That's hilarious.
And they lift open a sewer grate. And they're like, hurry, hurry, hurry, before like anyone sees us.

Speaker 1 No, we're just like, all right. And we just like run and we just go.
That's hilarious. And then we like hiked for miles.
Like there was times

Speaker 1 one of the craziest things when we first got in there, you could hear like music bumping. Like we basically climbed down this ladder, like basically into the sewer at first.

Speaker 1 And then from the sewer, we were like walking down and our guide was like, wait, wait here. And he like turns the corner and I just hear yelling in French.
So I pull my pocket knife out.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't know what's going on here. Like, you know, I just, it sounds pretty intense.

Speaker 1 And then he comes around the corner. He's like, they'll let us pass.

Speaker 1 It was like something that like a lord of the rings kind of like vibe thing we're like what is going on and uh they were actually having a rave down there no way uh but everyone down there you know and like no offense to anyone but like if you're down there you're not really you know like you might be a sketchy character you know so they're like they'll let us pass they're like just point cameras down don't film anybody just and don't even like have them up like even if they think they're being filmed like they're gonna freak out

Speaker 1 yeah so they're like just point everything down on the ground and just like eyes down just walk through and then we went and we just passed through that. That was like our first little experience.

Speaker 1 And then we hike for miles. We end up like having to wade through water that was like, we called it bone juice because it was like this weird milky looking water.

Speaker 1 And like

Speaker 1 basically up to our chest, we're like, you know, like walking through camera gear and everything. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 And then eventually we get to a point where it's a T junction and our guys like climb in there. There was a hole.

Speaker 1 And so we climb in and it opened up to a giant cave and it was just filled with human bones.

Speaker 1 Basically we were about 200 feet below an old cemetery and it was a plague pit.

Speaker 1 So like there were so many people dying of the plague, they would just dig these giant holes and just dump all the bodies in and just fill it up.

Speaker 1 So that's what we were literally walking in, a plague pit.

Speaker 1 I'm surprised you didn't catch a disease over there. Right.
Yeah. I mean, but there, you know, it was just bones.
Like you can't even see a floor.

Speaker 1 Like you're just walking through it, like just crunching on bones. And it was still to this day the most surreal place I think I've ever been.
Did it feel like kind of haunted there?

Speaker 1 Honestly, not as much as you would think like uh we weren't focused too much on investigating that special it was kind of more of like uh what people's beliefs are of the afterlife and kind of like how the dead are treated things like that uh we did investigate a little bit and got some evidence um but i think like it oddly felt like oddly peaceful in a weird way like i don't know if it's because like it's such a respected thing and they did make this shrine now.

Speaker 1 They made this museum to like honor everybody that died. Obviously, they didn't get all the bones um

Speaker 1 but i don't know if it's because it's treated with respect it's kind of like

Speaker 1 you know became peaceful yeah did it smell awful no honestly didn't no it was actually honest surprising clean even the tunnels were just like most of them were just empty like maybe a little like dirt kind of dust but they were just empty tunnels for miles and miles yeah you know dude they're finding a lot of underground stuff right now did you see the egypt one right under the pyramid you guys got investigated i would love to get in there.

Speaker 1 That would be insane. Yeah.
I wonder how many civilizations lived underground in the past. Yeah.
I mean, we're just, everything's built on top of it. It's, it's, right.

Speaker 1 You know, it wouldn't be surprising to me. You know, I'm a big believer in like, we've been around a lot longer than what history is telling us.
You think so? Oh, yeah. And like, we discover it.

Speaker 1 And it's weird that like, there's this mainstream block of being like, oh, no, we're not going to change anything. It's like, but we have evidence, you know, and it's okay.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't understand why they won't just, yeah. Yeah, like stuff's older.
We can be around longer. Dude, who cares?

Speaker 1 You know, people are still going to buy on Amazon. People are still going to go to work.
People are still going to flip through TikTok. Yeah.
It's not going to change the world.

Speaker 1 So, like, why not just embrace what it really is? 100%. Dude, it's a shame because I used to love history class.
Yeah. And now I'm learning about how much was wrong.
Yeah. It's like, wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And almost okay. Like, you know, it doesn't like totally say that history was wrong.
Like those things happen, but there's just more. There's more to the story, which I think is amazing.

Speaker 1 I think that's exciting. I think that's even cooler than just being like, it's this and that's all it ever is.
Yeah. Have you guys done any ancient civilization explorations here?

Speaker 1 We've done some stuff like in the Americas with like, you know, like Native American.

Speaker 1 We did stuff out in like the Navajo land, which like, you know, dates back. There's a lot of structures out there that, you know, I don't know if you'd call it ancient, but definitely like.

Speaker 1 you know, thousands of years old. Yeah.
Things like that.

Speaker 1 We've done stuff like we were in Romania and Dracula's Castle. That's.

Speaker 1 oh that's in romania yeah that's cool i might go there soon oh yeah it's definitely worth it i think romania was probably one of my favorite countries i've been to i've heard great things yeah honestly the food like it's nothing special but i remember it sounds crazy but i remember eating a tomato i just ate it like an apple and i was like this is the most amazing tomato i've ever had i could see that though because i got uh like friends out there and their grandparents still alive in their 90s like rocking yeah it's just they're just healthy out there and i what i noticed too is like going through you see see homes and, you know, in America, everyone has like a nice manicured front lawn,

Speaker 1 you know, and a backyard they can just like party or relax in. But in Romania, like the front yard, like there's vegetables growing.
Wow.

Speaker 1 You know, in the backyard, like they're actually using the land to actually be beneficial to what they need, like by growing vegetables and fruits and things, not just for looks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I thought that's really cool. And I was like, that makes sense.
That's why even just a tomato is like, this is a real fresh tomato.

Speaker 1 It's not covered in pesticides or chemicals or, you know, it's not shipped, you know, from like, you know, hundreds of miles away, you know, things like that.

Speaker 1 Like it's literally like they probably picked it out back and brought it to us. One of the downsides of Vegas, we got to import everything, right? Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn, Romania. I can't wait to go now.
Yeah. What other countries stood out to you?

Speaker 1 Romania was cool. I mean, France was fun.

Speaker 1 Like the culture there is really cool. Paris is a cool city.

Speaker 1 We did stuff in London, which was really cool. We did these underground tunnels there that was an old, basically a place where the Hellfire Club would meet.

Speaker 1 Is that a secret society? Yeah, it's basically a secret society

Speaker 1 that exists. Maybe they still exist.
I don't know. They're doing well keeping the secret, I guess.
But like Benjamin Franklin was a member. Really?

Speaker 1 And, you know, there's a lot of things. It's kind of similar.
to like Illuminati type stuff. Interesting.
They would do rituals, but basically they dug into underneath a cemetery.

Speaker 1 That's the thing with like, you know, you have all these like elite people doing these things. It's like, do your thing.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not against you, but like you build it under a cemetery, like purposely. Like that's kind of weird.

Speaker 1 And then your design is like these like shapes that are very like, you know, I don't want to say demonic, but they're like kind of associated with like.

Speaker 1 devil worship things like that literally shapes that you're creating are that and then you go down down there and you do like hooded rituals and like, you know, sacrifice pigs and have like weird sex party orgies, things like that.

Speaker 1 So there's these tunnels outside of London that we did, which was really cool. And we went down there and I remember that being a really, really cool spot.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then we went and we did,

Speaker 1 there was another fraction of the Hellfire Club in Ireland. And they had like a meeting house up on top of this mountain.
We went up there and we got to investigate that, which is basically ruins.

Speaker 1 What was interesting about that to add another layer, the ruins or not even the ruins, but what they built the original building was was an ancient grave site. So like basically,

Speaker 1 you know, ancient times, they built this grave site for people and they used all these rocks to like kind of build like not like a full temple, but it was like a nice thing, at least for ancient times.

Speaker 1 And then the Hellfire Claim Club came in, tore all that apart and literally built their clubhouse out of these stones that were used as this ancient burial site. Whoa.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that place is really powerful of an energy. I bet.
Yeah, I actually have a piece of that at my house. Oh, yeah.
That's awesome. Have you guys done Easter Island yet? No.
That would be

Speaker 1 cool to see. You guys should get out there.
Yeah. I think that's another thing where like what we try to do too is like just try to figure out what really happened in these places.

Speaker 1 Like something like Easter Island be like, we can get communication and find out like what actually was going on here and why are these things here?

Speaker 1 Who were the people that that really were doing this? Or, you know, it would be incredible to do that. You guys are phenomenal at the storytelling aspect.
Thanks. With the buildup.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's impressive. I mean, it's part of it, though.
You know, it's part of knowing the history, knowing the stories helps us investigate better. Right.
You know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because a lot of people will just show up and they'll like touch on it, but you guys actually like have detailed events and everything. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we'll dive deep into it and, you know, we'll do full research, even on the spot sometimes. Like we go into these with very little knowledge, honestly.

Speaker 1 Just maybe a couple interviews set up a couple notes of like basic history and then as we go and we start discovering things we're literally doing it on the spot be like all right now we need to find let's try to track down this person now and let's do this and you know Zach will be like a lot of it falls on me and we'll be like Jay like I need you to research this or we just like we were in a location in the new season we do this a place called the Rispin mansion and we went in there it's an abandoned old mansion But when we went in there, we found out that someone was breaking in there and doing rituals.

Speaker 1 There's like symbols everywhere and stuff like that. And like, we didn't know that going in.

Speaker 1 Like, we know that it was known for people breaking in and doing weird things, but we went in and found all this. And then right on the spot, I was like, I'm taking pictures.

Speaker 1 And now I'm like, all right, now I'm going to take some time, you know, and like, you know, they might be doing other interviews and I'm stepping away and I'm, you know, trying to do research and trying to find out exactly what these symbols are and kind of dig deeper into.

Speaker 1 what somebody might be trying to do in there. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 I remember one episode I saw, you guys went to like the local library to read about the history of the building.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah we'll do that too this is crazy and i you know shout out to our production manager you know like who like literally like i mean all of us we work together as a team but like there's times where like all right we need we need a library or is there like a local historian we can track down and yeah you know they work magic for us like i think our team is amazing like for like on the spot being like all right give us some time and then like usually like within an hour like all right we got a spot we can go do this we've got someone we could talk to and that's cool you know and then there's other times we just sometimes wander Like we've grabbed cameras and literally just walk up and down the street of the town.

Speaker 1 And people come up to us and we're like, hey, have you heard of this spot? Like, do you know anything about it? And then some people are like, no, we're just, oh, it's haunted.

Speaker 1 But then we'll find other people that are like, oh, yeah, like this happened and that we don't even know. Wow.

Speaker 1 And they're like, yeah, if you talk to this person, and then we're like, all right, now we got to find that person. It's like, you know, real,

Speaker 1 you know, real-time detective work. Yeah, that's cool.
Where was the most on-edge you felt? Like, have you ever felt unsafe somewhere? Oh, yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's a lot.

Speaker 1 I think still probably one of the most like darkest, I don't know, places that I feel like I've been was like the Demon House in Gary, Indiana, where Zach and I produced a documentary on it together.

Speaker 1 Was that the one where you said you felt like you time traveled and

Speaker 1 you went through a portal? Not that one. This one was

Speaker 1 so Zach bought this house.

Speaker 1 Basically, it broke in the news that like it was supposedly all these demons were living in there.

Speaker 1 It was a family that, you know, CPS had to investigate them because the kids were coming to school with like bruises and missing school and things.

Speaker 1 And then when they were investigated, they're like, it's a possession. You know, so at first it's like, all right, you're just trying to get out of being in trouble.

Speaker 1 But then CPS workers, they were investigated by the police, the chief of police, different detectives, all experienced out insane paranormal activity while they were investigating these family in this house.

Speaker 1 And even went to the hospital and like nurses and things witnessed this kid walk backwards up a wall, you know, and like that was like supposedly possessed.

Speaker 1 So this news story broke out and right away, Zach was like, we got to, we got to investigate this, but like it needs to be bigger.

Speaker 1 It was cool because like he made an offer and he ended up buying the house. So we had access to it whenever we wanted.

Speaker 1 And we basically went there over the course of a couple years and made this documentary. We tracked down everybody involved and talked to them.

Speaker 1 And even during that, like we were constantly like getting hit with bad luck.

Speaker 1 Everyone that we brought into the house, like we we brought the chief of police or to come in or one of the detectives, I think it was to come in and kind of talk to us about what happened when he came to the house.

Speaker 1 He leaves. He ends up right as soon as he leaves.
He's like, calls us. He's like, oh, I just slipped on ice and smacked my head.
I'm in the hospital. We're like,

Speaker 1 we had, you know, we put in security systems. So we had like the internet installed, things like that.

Speaker 1 contractors were like, I just got no car crash or, you know, the one guy that was doing like inspection of the house, like just literally like within a week was like, yeah, I can't make it back.

Speaker 1 I'm in the hospital. I just got diagnosed with some crazy cancer.
Like, holy crap. You know, like all these

Speaker 1 coincidences just kept happening around this house, you know, and what happened to you? Uh, it was just, it was just a

Speaker 1 depressing time, honestly. Like, thankfully, like, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's hard to say exactly, but like, I know during that time was probably one of like the most, you know, like I'm a very happy, chill guy, but like, I feel during that time period, like I was just super depressed damn you know just like felt just negative all the time like it was just a weird chapter and honestly I'm so glad it's over and you know we've moved away from that yeah well you're probably harder to penetrate than that sounded wrong but like

Speaker 1 you're probably harder to get I mean you're you're not wrong attack because you're so used to it right so used to it and just kind of you know I've learned how to keep my guard up and kind of know like you know, when I do feel something is affecting me, I'll take the steps that I know help me.

Speaker 1 Like you mentioned earlier, earlier, like spending time in nature, playing music, or just creating art, like just doing something that creates positive energy.

Speaker 1 Dude, this has been real fun. So, new season drops soon.
Anything else you want to kill off with? No, I mean, April 16th, 10 p.m. on Discovery, it's

Speaker 1 definitely a wild one, and I'm excited for everyone to finally be able to see it. Yeah, Folder Grice House, guys.
Check it out. Thanks for coming back on me.
Absolutely. Thank you.
See you guys.