The Parenting Hack That Changed My Fighter Mindset | Miesha Tate DSH #1043

People that are really talented, and you lost, but you still afford.

Yeah, you have to be okay with that.

And that's where it gets scary for athletes.

It's like, if I really want to find what I'm made of, if I really want to be the best in the world and my personal best, I have to be okay with the potential of taking the risk and the potential of losing.

Although I think the odds of me winning greatly go up the better that I am.

All right, guys, Misha Tate here today.

Thanks for coming on last minute.

Yeah,

sure notice, but that's how I roll sometimes, you know?

Super short notice.

And I know with the ladies, they like to get their makeup done and everything sometimes.

Yeah, I did mine in the car.

How's it going?

Yeah, thanks.

I think I hit you up like 20 minutes before.

Yeah.

And I was like, usually that never works, though, because I have kids.

But luckily today, my fiancé, I was like, can you take them to gymnastics?

Because I got a last-minute request and I kind of want to do it.

Oh, I love it.

Yeah.

Two kids, right?

Two of them.

Yeah.

Beautiful.

That's my goal, too.

Yeah.

I want at least two.

At least two.

Yeah.

Well, here's some advice, though.

One kid turns you into a parent.

Two turns you into a referee.

Really?

Just be prepared.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, I was an only child and I saw parts of my life where I was kind of lonely and stuff.

So I just want my kid to be.

I think it's definitely a favorite to the kids.

But when you have your kids about two years apart and God help anybody who has them closer than that, because I just don't know how that works.

My kids, you know, I'm all the time like, stop.

I don't know if it's bad to tell them to stop competing or whatever, because I'm sure it's probably, you know, hardwired in them.

But sometimes I'm like, can you guys just stop racing everywhere?

Because no matter what, it's just a lose-lose for me.

I love it.

They got that competitive nature from you.

I don't know what your husband does, but it sounds like he fights too.

Oh, so.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, it's in the DNA.

They're going to become fighters then, huh?

I think so.

My daughter's already wrestling.

So

how old is she?

She's six.

Wow, six?

My son is coming in at four.

He's going to start wrestling actually this coming week.

Yeah, I always ask fighters if they want their kids to be fighters.

Most of the times they say no, actually.

Yeah, I share that sentiment.

I don't want them to become fighters, but if they do, then I'll try to make them the best that I can.

Yeah.

Why do you lean more towards no?

Just dangerous.

You know, it's not

very pro-brain health.

And the more that I dive into that world of health and anti-aging and, you know, all the biohacking world,

I just realize like how much brain trauma is like.

But did you get a brain scan done on yourself or anything like that?

Yeah, but you know, a lot of the brain scans that we do before we go into fights and stuff, they're not really,

they don't really tell you you anything.

They're a still image.

It's like taking a screenshot, but a brain doesn't work on a still image.

It's like how it fires and how it moves through.

So learning more about that.

I have, I went to the Amons Clinic and I had a brain scan down there.

That was interesting.

Yeah, you had to play the game for 15 minutes, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I had to play the game.

And then, you know, you lay down and you get the little, you know, what, put around your head and you go into kind of what feels like, maybe like an MRI machine, if anybody's been in that.

But anyways, yeah, they measure your blood flow.

I had a lot of spots where I wasn't getting blood flow actually into my brain.

I was surprised.

Yeah.

Yes, yeah, and I didn't have a lot of the spots, which was really news to me because I really thought that I was going to have a worse brain.

But

Dr.

Amina was actually the one who read my report to me.

And he was like, Okay, Misha, I've seen you fight.

I've got some good news.

Your brain is actually looks really good.

And so his first question was to me, Do you do hyperbarics?

And I was like, Yeah.

He's like, How many have you done?

I was like, Hundreds.

And he's like, It shows.

We see it clinically clinically that this helps getting oxygen through the brain.

I mean,

our brain is a really oxygen-dependent organ.

It uses about 22% of our daily oxygen, which is impressive, right?

Because it's not a muscle or anything like that, but it's operating everything that we do.

So when you get in the hyperbaric chamber and you hyperoxygenate your body, not just your blood cells, but the blood plasma.

That's where it gets really interesting.

Yeah.

So Boyle's law says that if you hold a gas over a liquid and you add pressure, that it dissolves the gas into the liquid.

And so basically what happens when you go under pressure in a hyperbaric chamber is that you are transferring the oxygen into the liquid of the body, so to speak.

And so your plasma becomes very oxygen-rich.

Typically, the plasma is a reservoir for oxygen.

So it's only about 3%.

But when you start upping that number, Basically, that liquid that your blood sits in becomes an oxygen magnet and can deliver oxygen to tissue that might not get, you know, very much.

Because what do they say when you get injured and it's like, oh, your wrist takes forever to heal, your back, your neck.

It doesn't get a lot of blood flow, right?

Yeah.

But it gets a lot of plasma flow.

So if you can get all that liquid there oxygenated, then it's pretty cool.

Wow, you know your health stuff.

I'm impressed.

Well, I've taken some certifications and courses in hyperbarics.

So I was partnered in a wellness center.

So I happen to know a bit about hyperbarics.

You know, don't claim to be a, I'm no doctor or anything like that, but it works for me.

And I've seen it do wonder.

So if I could share your one story with you.

So in our first couple of weeks of being open at this wellness center, there was a woman who had a mommy makeover.

So she had a tummy tuck and she had a breastlift.

And the surgeon was not able to re-establish blood flow to one of her nipples.

So her nipple was like black as this microphone right now.

It was dead.

Necrosis.

real bad.

And he was like poking the nipple around and all that came out was like a clear liquid.

He was trying to see if there was any sign of blood flow, but there wasn't.

So he's like, I don't know about this hyperbarics, but maybe you should go and check it out.

Because I mean, her husband was losing his shit.

He was like, my wife needs a nipple.

He's like, I don't care what we have to do, but

fly in leeches.

He's like, I'll donate my nipple for Cry, but she has to have a nipple.

So they came to us and we treated her really aggressively.

And after her first day, she had noticeable pink tissue back in her nipple.

Whoa, after a day?

After one day.

Isn't that crazy?

It's because there were no blood vessels delivering the blood cells.

Primary job of blood cells is to deliver oxygen.

But like basically, all the roadways were broken for the blood to get in and out.

But the liquid, the plasma, could seep in.

So when we hyperoxygenated the plasma, well, then the tissue got the oxygen it needed.

That's incredible.

There was actually a really interesting study about pigs where they sanguinated them.

They

take all the blood out of their body.

Whoa.

And they filled them with plasma and they put them in, like, I think it was four atmospheric pressure, three or four.

And the pigs stayed alive for hours until they released the pressure and then the pigs died, which is kind of a terrible, you know, sad study.

It was done a long time ago.

I don't know if they would be able to do something like that now.

But anyways, point in case, the hyperbarics was able to keep the plasma so oxygen-rich that the pigs were able to survive and live and be fine until the pressure wasn't there anymore.

That's incredible.

I need to incorporate that into my weekly routine or something.

I have one in my garage.

Aren't they like 100K, though?

Oh, yeah.

Well, if you get a good one,

they're expensive.

Yeah, maybe 80.

You could probably get them.

And you can get used, so used chambers, still chamber.

If you get a steel chamber, you could get soft shell chambers that don't treat as high a pressure.

And that you can probably get around like 10 to 25,000.

Yeah, there's a spot here.

I think it's called like Anodyne or something.

Yeah.

I just rent it.

Yeah, there you go.

So I go every month.

It's like a couple hundred bucks, but I do feel amazing after.

It's good.

Yeah.

What other biohacks do you do?

Red light.

Yeah, I got a red light sauna in my house.

Okay, nice.

Yeah, sauna.

Cold plunge.

I say that with a little hesitation because

I really feel like I'm only tough when I have to be.

People are like, God, you're so tough.

And I'm like, I must save it all for the fight because otherwise I'm, you know, like dip my toe in cold water and I'm like, ooh.

No, thank you.

So every once in a while I'll do the cold plunge, but I really have to store up my bravery for that because.

Man.

Do you do cold plunge?

I don't.

I used to cold shower a lot, but.

So you've never done it?

I've done it.

Okay.

But it's, I like saunas.

Well, yeah.

I'd rather sauna.

I much prefer the sauna.

But the cold plunge, like the way that I feel afterwards is undeniable.

Like you cannot have a bad day after doing a cold plunge.

It wakes you up.

It does.

And it's moodlifting.

Like it's an antidepressant, basically.

That's what it feels like to me.

So they use it to help people get like clear addiction because it kind of.

you know, helps people with the same pathways.

You know, if you have like addiction, it's usually a dopamine issue, right?

It's like you have, like you're looking for that, chasing that high of dopamine.

So you get that when you go into the cold plunge, but you don't get the negative, you know, addicting effects of substance abuse.

So yeah, that makes sense.

Are you still fighting?

I'm still fighting.

Wow.

Still going, huh?

Still going strong.

Because fighters, they peak in their like 20s, early 30s usually, right?

Yeah, but with all this biohacking and stuff, man, they keep you young for longer.

You're like LeBron out here.

Right.

Yeah.

I'm trying to be,

yeah, LeBron and a couple of the other guys out there.

You know, you still have the same fire you had when you first started.

It's totally different.

Yeah, with kids now it must be, right?

Yeah.

It's not the same at all.

Used to be

driven by adversity and like how challenging everything could be.

It was like, yeah, that's going to drive me and make it better.

And then it worked until it didn't work.

Right.

Eventually you're just exhausted and you're like, I'm just tired of this shit.

Like I am tired of

feeling like I have the weight of the world on my shoulders and then some.

So I had to reinvent the wheel.

And now I really look at this as effort-based.

I'm not so focused on the outcome.

And what I found is that goals can be limiting.

Like if I say, what is, what is my goal in this fight?

What's my goal in this event?

Well, I want to win.

Well, winning, I can be a lot better.

A lot, I can be not as good as I could be if I set my goal on being my best.

Interesting.

Right?

So there are a lot of fights that I've won that I wasn't my best.

It's like I narrowly won because I played it safe.

And in my most recent fight that I had in December of last year, I was like, I actually am telling myself, like, I don't care if I win.

No, of course I care.

But

if I don't win and I still prove to myself that I'm the best, that's the ultimate goal.

But I realized by setting my goal on being the best instead of winning, then I actually am more likely to get the outcome that I want anyways and surpass the outcome.

So I won, mind you, I was a betting underdog going into the fight.

I won two 10-8 rounds, took her down like within the first 15 seconds every single time.

Wow.

And then in the third round, I was on my way to another 10-8 round until I finished the fight with a rear-naked choke.

And I was like, that's what you're capable of.

Like no more focused on winning.

Like winning is a byproduct of being my best.

Yeah, you dominated.

That's an interesting mindset shift because a lot of people, yeah, they're like, whether any sport, they're like, let me just win.

Well, they think that's the ultimate goal.

That's the best thing that can happen is win.

It's not the best thing that can happen.

The winning can mean you're far from your best.

Right.

Sometimes you probably fight people that are really talented and you lost, but you still perform.

Yeah, you have to be okay with that.

And that's where it gets scary for athletes.

It's like, if I really want to find what I'm made of, if I really want to be the best in the world and my personal best, I have to be okay with the potential of taking the risk and the potential of losing.

Although I think the odds of me winning greatly go up the better that I am.

I could relate to that because I'm a a basketball player and I look for the best leagues in Vegas.

And, you know, the teams are amazing, like ex-professional players and stuff.

But

we're losing, but I'm getting a lot better.

So

I'd rather play in that league than win some random league, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So a similar mindset for sure.

Effort-based instead of outcome-based.

Yeah.

A lot of people play it safe, right?

Mm-hmm.

They'll pick fights that they know, especially boxing, I notice.

They'll win the first 20 fights.

Right.

It's like, are you actually getting better, though?

No, it's so political.

I feel like in boxing, I think in every sport there's politics, of course, but from what I understand in boxing, you know, there's, you've got to play the game a certain way and pad the record and stuff.

I don't see that happening as much in MMA.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah, you don't see many undefeated MMA fighters these days.

I think Sean O'Malley just lost, so that's the, that might be the last one, right?

Yeah.

Maybe, maybe there's a few.

Islam, I don't know.

Well, Sean O'Malley had losses before.

He said it didn't count because he got, he broke some bone or something.

Are you just siding with him because you guys have the same name?

Nah, I mean, I got to support Sean's, but.

No, I enjoy watching Sean fight, and he's a cool kid, but

he's lost Farer Square.

Well, John Jones has a loss, too, but

some people don't count it because it was like the

he was winning the fight.

Yeah.

He did that elbow.

Yeah.

Which is now legal again, right?

They brought that up.

Yeah, the 12 to 6 elbow.

I don't really understand why that was ever illegal.

The story has it that there was some commissioner somewhere that was like,

they saw the karate people like breaking those boards with the dog.

Like, oh my God, that would crack someone's skull.

We can never have that be illegal.

And I was like, but you're going to tell me like this force of elbow, which is, you know, way more forceful.

Yeah, it's the same force, right?

Just different direction, I guess.

Yeah, I honestly, the amount of pressure you could get from doing this is nowhere near when you can move your whole body into the elbow coming from the top.

Oh, it's not even close.

This is like an arm elbow.

I don't even know how that would be.

Like, yeah, I guess if you jump and do it, it might have force, but yeah but that's interesting i didn't i didn't see that perspective before has there been any rule changes that affected your style of fighting yeah i would say when we went from three minute rounds to five minute rounds i don't know if you know way back in the day before women were in the ufc we had only three minute women were only allowed to fight for three minutes i guess we weren't capable of fighting for five well they do that in tennis too like three sets instead of five sets Yeah, so did that make that affect you for the better or for the worse, you think?

Oh, moving longer rounds was for the better.

I'm more of a grappler, so it takes time sometimes to find the timing to get a hold of somebody.

Got it.

You know, and let's say that it takes you half of a five-minute round to get someone to the ground.

Well, you need some time to work, but if you get someone down at two and a half minutes in a three-minute round,

no, you probably lose the round.

Right.

So, the longer, the better for you.

Similar to Nate Diaz's style, then, right?

Yep, exactly.

If we could have no time limits, that'd be great.

Yeah, if there was no time limits.

Because I will eventually get a hold of you.

And when I do,

you'll have a price paid.

That's the thing with Nate.

The longer the fight you're out, the better.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

No time limit would be interesting because then it's just a matter of strategy.

I didn't do that.

There was like an hour-long fight.

Really?

Yeah, way back in the day.

I don't know if it was under the UFC banner.

It might have been under like Pride or something else.

But I know that there have been fights where there's no time limit.

And one went on for a very long time.

Like,

I can see why they stop just from a business point of view.

Yeah.

But I mean, I think when baseball, they're making those changes too to just make the sport move faster.

Right.

The pitcher's only got 30 seconds now, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they're they're you know trying to accommodate everyone's goldfish.

Yeah, I mean TikTok brain.

Yeah, TikTok brand, they call it three-second attention span humans have now.

Isn't that crazy?

The attention span of a gnat.

Yeah.

I can't even watch a movie without wanting to check my phone.

I get itchy.

I know.

Do you ever try to like cycle off your phone or put it away?

Yeah, dopamine fast?

Not as much as I should be, if we're being honest, because I have to be on my phone a lot for work.

I get a lot of guests,

I feel like, you know, and that's where you get sucked into it.

People are like, you know, parenting's so hard.

And I'm like, I don't know, parenting's so hard.

It's just everything else is hard.

Yeah.

You know, so it makes it hard to do that and be a parent because parents like a full-time job.

It is.

You got iPads for the kids yet?

They do have iPads, but they collect a lot of dust.

Oh, you don't let them use it?

Only on long road trips or on airplanes.

Pretty much.

And every great once in a while as a reward.

They get some TV, but it's really only about each kid gets 30-minute of show.

So it's an hour total a day.

Wow.

Strict.

Yeah, Yeah, pretty strict.

But, you know, my kids are awesome.

Like when you meet my kids, you'd be like, your kids are great.

Like they're well-behaved and they, they speak well.

Like my kids were speaking full sentences at two years old.

Whoa.

So super early.

Yeah, but I think that's what kids are capable of, you know?

I mean, that's me personally.

Like no other,

you know, otherwise healthy children, I think, are capable of that.

But I think we just handicap them a lot and we baby them a lot and we don't,

we think that iPads are okay.

I'm like, I personally am pretty anti-electronics for kids, especially early on.

It's because their brains are forming for the first time.

And I look at iPads as like the input is coming from the out from the outside in.

So like you're programming the child.

When you take the iPad away and a child is bored, that's great.

Whenever my kids tell me they're bored, I'm like, awesome.

Love it.

Go find some way to entertain yourself because then the creative activity comes from the inside out.

And they start creating using their imagination.

And those neural networks, the children are building like thousands of neurons a minute.

It's crazy how their brains formulate.

So I think when, you know, we're going to be careful about balancing that.

I know we live in a day and age where you can't avoid it.

Yeah.

You know, they're going to see TVs or their friends.

We go to the gym.

We don't bring anything for the kids to watch.

Really?

Play.

Yeah.

We'll do practice and be like, go find like a yoga ball and play.

And they will.

They'll play tag and they'll wrestle and they'll do things.

It's like, that's how I grew up as a kid.

And, you know, before that, that's how the generations before did it.

So it can be done.

It's just easy and convenient for parents to just throw their kids on an iPad.

But I'm not trying to shame anybody.

I get that it's difficult.

I use it time and place too.

But I make it really hard on myself by eliminating most of that.

But that's my job.

That's how I look at it.

It's like I had kids.

It's my responsibility to try to do the best by them, not always the easiest for me.

Yeah.

I remember when I was a kid, I always played outside.

You know, it was before iPhone came out.

And now I barely see any kids playing outside these days.

Well, they call it the indoor generation.

We're part of that too.

We spend like 90, 95% of our time indoors.

A recent statistic that children these days get less outdoor time than incarcerated individuals.

Crazy.

Think about that for a second.

Yeah, that's less than an hour a day then, right?

Yeah.

Most children have less than an hour a day outside.

That's nuts.

Well, think about it.

I mean, even if they go to daycare, you know, and some daycares don't really take their kids outside.

It depends what you go to.

And school is 30 minutes.

You know, so when else are they outside?

They come home and they have homework to do.

Right.

I don't see any parents doing kids' homework outside.

So Nevada is 49th in public education, ranked 49th.

Are you going to send your kids to public school here?

So I sent my daughter for one year to try it out.

We went to an academy, charter school, and it was okay

for public school.

For public school is pretty good.

Not to my standards, though.

So I've enrolled her in Apogee, which is an independent private school.

So Matt Boudreaux and Tim Kennedy, you know, Tim Kennedy.

He's been on the show, yeah.

Yeah.

He's the co-founder of Apogee.

Nice.

So, really kind of pushing that critical thinking mindset, and they practice Socratic discussions every day.

So, they learn how to debate and argue in a respectful way, which I think is really important because nobody knows how to do that anymore these days.

That's like a lost thought.

And people are just such

assholes on social media.

They just dig in and they feel like it's a free space to just be a jerk.

Especially politics.

Yeah.

So so she's going there and they they also have a heavy emphasis on uh physical education, like movement.

So they work out for like an hour a day.

The kids do.

Yeah.

I love that.

It's great.

And they build things like the eight to eleven year old boys are out there, you know, using saws and building um catapults and you know, learning about their code and making goals.

And it's a learner driven environment similar to Waldorf or um Montessori, which is is also something I consider for my kids.

But public school, in my opinion, is not where it's at.

Like, if you want your child to be a critical thinker, it turns out most all of the

best entrepreneurs and most successful people were usually homeschooled.

Interesting.

So,

you know, like thinking about public school, I don't know if you know the history of it or how it was started.

Briefly,

so Rockefeller kind of designed a lot of what public school is today, and he was pretty open.

It was like designed to create factory workers.

That's why they use a bell system at school.

Oh, wow.

And everything, because you think when you're working in a factory, that's how you moved through lines.

Right.

And you, so, public school was designed to create people that were inside of a box and didn't really critically think outside the box.

It also works that way, you know, kind of with soldiers and things like that.

So for military, it also is good to not have too many people that question authority.

But I really think if you want to be successful in your own right, you've got to be able to think outside the box.

So I just want my children to be critical thinkers.

So I was like, yeah,

this is the direction we're going.

We gave public school a shake, and it just wasn't cut out for

what I want for my kids.

Yeah, I feel bad for families that can't afford private school.

How much is the one you're sending your kid to a year?

It's like $9.75 a month.

Oh, that's not as much as I thought it was.

$9.59.

No, it's very affordable.

It's like $10K a year.

$10.

I know people who are

sending their kids to private school are paying double that, $1,800 a month.

So, and they're getting public school type education anyways.

They're just paying a lot more for it.

It's like paying for a name brand something.

It's like, yeah.

So it's kind of serving the same purpose.

Not really.

I hate it when five and six year old kids are like, mom, can we stay at the park a little longer?

We got to leave.

We got to do homework.

They'll come and do soccer practice.

So Amaya,

actually Cody Garbrandt's son and Amaya do soccer practice together.

Oh, nice.

And the other day, he was like, Can we stay and play a little bit?

And Cody was like, We have to go do homework.

And I was like, Oh, that hurts my heart.

I was like, Cody, check out this school.

So I told him about Apogee.

I was like, It's really awesome.

He's like, How much is it?

He's like, Dang, that's like half what I'm paying right now.

I'm like, I'm telling you, it's great.

Um, love it.

Yeah.

And there's no homework because if you can't do with my kid what you need in seven or eight hours out of the day, why am I sending them to you?

My child needs to play and be part of my family and be present for dinner.

Like she's five.

I remember the time in kindergarten, she would come home and have an hour's worth of homework.

At five, geez.

At five.

I'm like, what are we indoctrinating our children to do and be stressed out and unhappy?

Because she just wants to move and play and create.

And I'm like, no, you have to do this, which is absolutely senseless because we know enough about children now to know that they learn best through play, especially younger children.

So can they memorize things?

Yeah.

Is it efficient?

Is it the best way?

Absolutely not.

You could just look it up these days.

Why would you need to memorize it?

No, most kids hate reading now because of the way that they're taught.

You know, it's like, oh, memorize these words on a flashcard.

Then memorize these ABCs and then memorize it and then you'll learn how to read.

Like Apogee totally does it backwards.

So my daughter loves learning about,

well, she loves Reading Day.

Not that she can fully read yet, but she gets to come in and just tell a story.

So she'll open the book and she'll just tell it how she interprets it.

She won't look at the words or anything like that.

But what they're doing is instilling a love for books.

And when children love books, they will be compelled to want to be able to read because they will want the story.

They want to know.

They want to be able to open a book and be able to pull the information out of it themselves.

So I think they do it backwards.

which is so much more effective.

My daughter loves books.

She's absolutely obsessed with books.

She wants me to read books to her all the time.

That's great.

And I just don't see that happening with kids anymore.

Hell no.

I hated books.

Of course, because you had to read about stuff you didn't care about.

Yeah, Lord of the Flies and all those brand books.

And then you get tested on it, which is, that's always really fun, right?

You know, like testing just creates a bunch of anxiety and not all kids test the same.

It's another thing I have with public school.

Like, are you telling me that every kid is supposed to meet a certain marker at the like the exact same time?

Like, yeah.

There's a major flaw in that.

Some kids are going to develop and have passions in one area or develop faster in a certain area and maybe not super strong in this area.

It doesn't mean that they won't eventually catch up or that they won't come around.

But we're so much like the school's like, you have to meet this requirement in English and this requirement in math and this requirement.

But

how is that teaching them life skills?

Like, where's their individuality in that?

Where is it like, hey, you know what?

You're really good at this.

Let's give you some.

Let's give you some tools to be successful in an area.

This is where you shine.

Awesome.

Like, that's what I want for for my kids.

I want them to know and be able to distinguish what they're good at and still work at what they need to be better at, but let's not rob them of their individuality and say, you have to be exactly like everybody else.

Yeah.

It really nulls your creativity.

And if you critical think, they'll give you detention or punish you.

Yep.

I remember I got that a few times just for asking questions.

It's like, wow, I can't even question history or anything.

Nope.

Nope.

There's no room for individuality.

It's not convenient.

Yeah.

It's too much for the teachers and the system.

They don't want you to think for yourself.

Just do as they say.

And then you feel like ashamed almost for like being different and alien.

Be down, shut up, be quiet.

Yeah, you just kind of fit in the system.

I stayed so silent after that because I used to be like really extroverted, class clown, and then school just beat me down, honestly.

Yeah.

And think how much time we wasted.

Oh, my God.

Like, how much of that stuff do you think we actually use today?

I can't think of that much, to be honest.

I mean, just the social skills.

We learned to read and maybe some basic math, I guess.

You know?

Yeah.

But after pre-calc, like, why do you need that?

I don't know.

Just because they want to make sure that you can just follow instructions over and over and over, follow a formula over and over and over.

So if they tell you to do something, you'll just do it over and over and over.

Translates beautifully if you're a factory worker.

Yeah.

Right.

Or an assembly line or in a, you know, in the military, maybe.

Right.

Yeah.

But it's all for their convenience, not for yours, not for your benefit or your success.

Yeah, military must be even worse because if you question it there, you're getting push-ups and stuff.

Yeah, why do you think Tim Kennedy, you've had him on the show.

Yeah.

He's like, he's like had some real battles with people just you know because he is a critical thinker and he can't help but be like hey, there might be a better way

But I think we need more of that in this world not less of it.

I mean, that's why he started his own basically He's rescuing people on his own.

He's independent.

He volunteers his own time.

Right.

Military is not going to go out there and rescue missions.

You know, I was actually just talking with someone from Asheville and I was like, man, how is it out there?

Like, what's going on?

He's like, they're way underreporting in the media how many people have died.

And they're way underreporting how big of a disaster this was.

There are homes

that have just been, they're not even there anymore.

Like there's no remnants of these homes.

And he lives there.

And he was like, it took me three days to get out of my property

just to like clear the trees to get, you know, get to my mom.

And,

you know, I was like,

what does Tim say?

What is he, you know, what's FEMA doing?

He's like, yeah, mostly just getting in the way.

FEMA, right?

I'm like, $750 too.

That's what we're supposed to give these people.

I'm like, that's such a slap in the face.

But we just sent how many billions of dollars to Ukraine?

It's nuts.

And most of the insurance companies aren't going to cover it.

You saw that with Hawaii.

Right, because they found a way that even to people who had natural disaster coverage, they're quantifying this as a flood.

What?

That's what's going on in Asheville.

Hurricane, right?

Yeah, but there was like a lot of water, so there was a lot of flooding.

That doesn't cover natural disasters.

You know how insurance companies are.

Yeah.

I mean, the Hawaii one was nuts because they literally didn't cover a single thing last time I checked.

Isn't that crazy?

That's why I don't really, I'm not helpful to the system.

I don't see doctors.

I don't have insurance.

Like, well, I have car insurance, obviously, because you have to.

Yeah.

But, like, health insurance, hell no.

Uh-uh.

I'm not wasting my money.

No, thank you.

I'll take that money.

I'll put it in my own investments.

I'll let it make me money.

And then, God forbid, if I ever had an emergency, I would have money of my own to go and go to the hospital.

But I'm not just going to throw it away every month because I'm an otherwise healthy person, too.

You know, like I work hard at my health.

Um, yeah, I'd rather just pay out of pocket if something happens, but I'm pretty much holistic like you, too.

Yeah.

And they, you know, they give cash discounts too.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

A lot of places when you pay cash, it's not as expensive as it is when they build the insurance company, which is why we have to pay so much more for our health insurance every month because they milk it in every single way that you can.

Yeah.

You know, so then the insurance rates go up.

And no, I'm just not about that life.

Yeah, I'm slowly shifting towards an off-the-grid kind of mindset.

I'm getting solar at the house because the energy bills.

Do you have any chickens yet?

No, I'm looking into that because I got the land.

That's the gateway drug.

I have chickens.

Oh, yeah.

I got the land for that.

I don't trust the eggs at the grocery stores.

Yeah.

My chicken eggs are great.

They're like sunset orange.

Wow.

They're beautiful.

Beautiful.

Yeah.

Even the pastor-raised ones are getting exposed right now.

I know.

And they're like 12 bucks a.

It's hard to trust anything, you know.

And that's why I'm truth-seeking.

I don't know if you've heard about my podcast, Go for Growth.

You have on some really cool people.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Have you had Bryce Mitchell on yet?

No.

He's hilarious.

He's such a funny guy.

You should.

He comes out to Vegas every once in a while.

He's really a great interview.

But I've had Tim Kennedy, Bryce Mitchell, Mapadrot,

a lot of people, I think, a lot of fun experts and whatnot.

But yeah, Built for Growth is a truth-seeking platform.

That's what I'm trying to do.

There's a lot of misinformation out there.

I'm not a perfect person, but I'm trying to figure it out.

and help people along the way.

Yeah.

Mindset.

Anything growth.

Like anything mindset, that's what I'm about.

Hello, though.

Did you always have that mentality mentality growing up?

I don't think that I did.

I think sometimes I had the fixed mindset.

Again, it went to like winning is the ultimate thing.

And

when I won my world title, I thought that it would fix everything.

I think we're kind of sold this lie that if we eventually get this amount of money or we get this house or we fit in with this group of people, that, oh, then we'll be happy.

Right?

You win the world title, then you'll be happy.

It didn't fix shit.

It didn't fix anything.

It was great for for like two weeks.

And I was like, oh, I'm still depressed.

Life still sucks.

Didn't fix anything.

Yeah.

It's a big giant lie.

So, you know, and I really struggled.

I really was in dark moments.

And I ended up losing my next two fights and retiring,

contemplating whether my life was still worth living.

Whoa.

It got real dark.

But

I made it through and I had to change a lot of the way that I perceived the world.

And I think a lot of it came back down to, you know, what we're told is important in life.

It's not important.

Like who you are is important.

Yeah.

Like for me, it's like

I'm a God-fearing woman.

I'm not religious.

I do go to church, but I always tell people, like, it's not about that.

I'm not asking people to start tithing.

I think that's.

I'm not a fan of that either.

Yeah, you know, because religion can be a business too.

It is a business.

It is.

So, you know, I just encourage people to say, hey, like, if you feel like you're missing something in life, it might be just having your own personal relationship with God or whatever that higher power looks like for you.

And it could be as simple as just starting with a prayer and realizing that you don't have to, you're, you don't have to have all the weight of the world on your shoulders.

Yeah.

You don't have to, you can kind of trust that there's, there's a higher power out there that's kind of looking out for you.

And it's just a good feeling.

It is.

That fixes a lot of things.

World title didn't fix anything.

Money didn't fix anything.

House, car, it didn't fix like what was broken here.

Like my relationship with my loved ones and my relationship with God,

because that became like something you can never take away from me.

Right.

You could, my house could burn down or be washed away in a natural disaster tomorrow.

God forbid, I could lose my family or.

my,

you know, I could no longer be a mother.

There's people that have lost their children.

Yeah.

Right.

They no longer get to call themselves parents.

And it's, it's a, you know, that's a heartbreaking thing to think about, but it's very real.

But if you took all those things away from me I can still tell you who I am and you can never have my peace

so once I found that there's no amount of money that can buy that there's no amount of money that can buy a good amount of like good night of sleep nope you can't steal it from me I love that yeah

a sense of purpose right yeah a sense of purpose a sense of just knowing that I'm confident in exactly who I am like finding my identity and I think my relationship with God just helped that a lot and don't mean you have to go to church it's like you know say a prayer maybe see how it feels.

See if that was the missing thing for you.

Because

I found that that's a common denominator for a lot of people, especially people who quote unquote like have it all.

You know, like when these people commit suicide, it's because they've been told their whole life that if they are successful in this way or they become, you know, a Hollywood, you know, top-selling movie star, millionaire, athlete,

that that is happiness.

Happiness is not red-bottom shoes.

It's not, right?

It's your piece.

And there is no amount of money that can buy that.

Like you have to find that here and you have to find a way to it through, you know, healing, a lot of times through traumas and things like that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've doubled with a lot of that stuff.

Right.

I had a lot of childhood trauma that I didn't even know about because I was just pushing it.

You just compartmentalize it, right?

Yeah.

But when I got the brain scan, it all showed.

I was like, wow, I need to address this.

Yeah.

So I think that's the biggest thing.

And I really think that having a relationship with God can be powerful in helping people heal.

I love that.

That's my own personal testimony.

Similar story with me.

I became a multi-millionaire, was the most depressed I've ever been when that happened, which is crazy.

People watching this are like, what?

And I was sleeping like 12 hours a day, waking up with no purpose.

Right.

And it was just a bad story.

But from the outside looking in, then this is what's sold to everybody on social media.

It's like, oh, that's what I want.

Like, if I had that, my life would be great.

Look at his house.

Look at his car.

Look at that wife, the girlfriend.

Oh, God.

If only only I had that.

But I find like nine times out of 10, when people have all that stuff, and especially when they're seeking it all, it's because they are still looking for the thing that's going to make them happy.

And the thing that can make you happy is the most simple thing.

I guarantee there's probably people who are homeless who are happier than people who live in million-dollar mansions.

100%.

Right.

So, yeah, because it's like, I don't have things, but I...

I know who I am.

I have my peace.

And that's really what happiness comes down to.

Absolutely.

Misha, where can people check out your show and keep up to date with what you got going on?

Where I really listen to

the podcast.

So I've got on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, Built for Growth.

And if you guys go to my website, Mishatate.com, M-I-E-S-H-A, you'll get a newsletter if you sign up, if you subscribe, every two weeks.

And I write it myself.

I don't use no AI.

I'm really...

I'd like to say I'm a pretty genuine person.

That's really what I'm trying to do in this chapter too.

I've been blessed in so many ways in my life that I think it'd be a shame to not use the platform that I've developed to try to help people move through this.

There's a lot of trauma, a lot of crazy things going on in this world, a lot of misinformation.

So if you sign up for that, just know that it's coming from my heart.

I write it down.

I take the two weeks and I write the stories and I send it to you.

And I'm also a certified change psychology.

coach, so behavior change coach.

So I offer a lot of insight in how you can set your goals and make new ones and stay with it, right?

Mindset.

Yeah,

so I put that in there as well.

Then I have my team that puts it all together and does the hyperlinks and all those things because that's above my pay grade.

We'll link it in the video description.

I appreciate that.

Thanks for coming on.

Absolutely.

Yep.

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