The TRUTH About Professional Grappling: Uncovered! I Zoltan Bathory DSH #470

Love that because sometimes fights are a little slow for their viewer perspective.

It's a little boring with boxing sometimes, you know what I mean?

So it's cool to see it at a faster pace.

I mean,

when you're a connoisseur, when you know what it is, when you're part of that sport, then I see every inch that changing.

Like, okay, he's gaining leverage, you know, but if you're not, then you will know.

Yeah, someone like you can appreciate that, but someone like me has no idea, you know what I mean?

Right, exactly.

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Ladies and gentlemen, founder of five-finger death punch, Zoltan Bathory, here today.

Legend.

Thanks for coming.

Wow.

Thank you.

I mean, what you've overcome, man, we'll get into your story, but it's legendary for sure.

Time someone thinks it's.

Yeah.

And now tell me about PGF.

You just got involved with that.

PGF.

PGF is a professional grappling federation.

I'm a martial artist since I was a little kid.

And so so I've been involved in competitions since I'm about eleven years old.

So I started at nine, started to compete as eleven.

First Judo and then Jiu-Jitsu.

And to still this day I'm I'm competing.

So yeah, I'm a black belt in both Jiu-Jitsu and Judo and I compete in, you know, in nah jiu-jitsu, but

but uh PGF I was invited to be one of the team captains.

It's a team-based sort of a team as in a sports league.

It's a team-based Jiu-Gitsu competition, very different, you know, but very different from the general competitions.

And the rule set is a little bit different.

And so, when I saw this particular promotion, again, I saw my share of competitions, this just blew my mind.

I thought, wow, this is much more than just GG2.

This is everything you love about sports plus GG2.

The league aspect, the way that they sped up, you know, rules dictate behavior.

So

they change the rules a little bit, so it speeds up the game.

So even if you're not a connoisseur for Jiu-Jitsu, you enjoy it because what's happening is super fast and gentlemanly violent.

I don't know how to say violent, it's gentlemanly violence.

There are some rules.

And when I saw this, I'm like, I need to be involved with this one.

I love that because sometimes fights are a little slow for their viewer perspective.

It's a little boring with boxing sometimes.

You know what I mean?

So it's cool to see it at a faster pace.

I mean,

when you're a connoisseur, when you know what it is, when you're part of that sport, then I see every inch that's changing.

Okay, he's gaining leverage, you know, but but if you're not, then you won't know.

Yeah, someone like you can appreciate that, but someone like me has no idea what I mean, right?

Exactly.

So, so when I saw that, you know, it's like as any business, I look at business like, you know, like let's say you look at somebody's hand of cards, for example, right?

If you had a jack, a tan and a queen, right, then I can say, okay, well, I have a tan.

I mean, let's say I have an ace and a king, we can make a royal fush, then this is a business, this can be something, right?

And

in life, I look at everything that way, that be it a band, be it a business, that if we pull together resources,

can we make a difference?

And I look at these guys on their own power, basically with almost no resources in Alabama, they made this competition five seasons.

It became a regional competition that was really well done.

And I'm like, man, if I come in here, we can actually change this sport.

Because one of the goals of PGF is Professional Grappling Federation to get these GG2 guys to go pro, which means in Gi G2, there is not really money.

You know, like these athletes, like myself, you know, I train, you put your life in it, you deal with the injuries, you deal with whatever comes.

You buy your equipment, you travel, you go to these competitions, and if you win, you get a medal.

Oh, that's it?

No money?

Well, like Olympics, basically.

You know, the Olympics are similar.

You don't, you know, you don't get paid if you get paid if an Olympic

sportsman, sportswoman, you will be athlete.

That's the word I'm looking for.

Yeah.

Then sponsorships might.

Right.

But you know what I mean?

But not the league itself.

So

we thought, you know what, we can change that.

And so I could put up a prize, a significant prize that is not unheard of in this, you know, in Jiu-Jitsu.

Yeah.

And immediately brought the top of that top of that.

Nice.

So similar to what UFC did.

Yes, basically.

So kind of.

And the whole thing is kind of like ultimate fighter

from the UFC, but with four teams.

And the whole format is like, you know, there are four teams.

There are two, I mean, let's say 20 athletes.

So there are 20 professional athletes that are pre-qualified.

And then they're going to be arranged into four teams.

So five on each team.

But it goes to an auction.

So instead of picking like, hey, here's, let's say, Gracie Humeida or, you know, Atos, these are 10th planets.

These are GG2.

organizations, clubs that are nationwide, some of them are international.

Instead of pitting them against each other, which is Jiu-Gitsu is a brotherhood, so it would be kind of weird anyway, right?

So because that would create somewhat animosity maybe, instead of pitting the teams together, it doesn't matter what team you came from, right?

They're going to be 20 athletes, and then

we're going to have four team captains, and the team captains on the next season are the who's who of Jiu-Jitsu.

And

all of them are going to bid in an auction for everybody has the same amount of coins, but they bid for the fighters.

Interesting.

And so, what happens, that's already interesting because you have to think about like, okay, I might get the best guy on my team, right?

But if I spend all my coins on that one guy, I can't really play for the other four.

So, now I have the best guy, but the other four are maybe not as good.

So, because it's a team, my team is not necessarily going to win.

Yes, you need a balanced team.

Right.

Interesting.

So, right from the get-go, it's the strategy.

You have to think about it.

It's a chess game of, okay, it's better if I get the second, third, and fourth best grapplers because they're going to score.

I love that.

I'm a big chess player, so I think like that.

It's like fantasy, you know, fantasy football.

Fantasy football.

Yeah, yeah, fantasy football.

It's a little bit like that.

And this PGF actually has that element to it.

So it's called a fantasy theme.

Yeah, I can't wait to watch that, man.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's fun.

Now, you got into fighting at 11.

That's super young.

So what attracted to you at that young age?

Were you getting bullied back then?

No, not necessarily.

It's,

you know, actually, I never really experienced that.

Wow.

yeah, I'm one of those kids that I, you know, I was into martial arts really young.

No one messed with you, not really.

I was nine years old making my own noon chucks, damn, breaking my teeth.

You know, I mean, I can see why, I can see why no one messed with you, throwing stars, and you know, like I was a huge Bruce Lee fans.

And I grew up in a communist country, I grew up in Hungary.

Oh, wow, so we didn't have resources, we didn't really have anything, you know.

And so, for us to study kung fu or any martial arts was not really a thing, you know, it was not available.

But judo is an Olympic sport.

So judo was state-sponsored.

Every bigger city had at least one judo academies.

So it was easier for me to, you know, and I tried everything.

So it wasn't like, oh, I have to be a martial artist.

I tried everything I could.

Yeah, super cool.

And

from all those martial arts was, Judo was the one that I really fell in love with.

And so I started doing that.

And

then I attribute pretty much everything that later on happened in my life to that.

To the discipline you learned from Judah.

Because, you know, the universe is intelligent.

There is a pattern to everything.

And martial arts are basically, you know, thousands of years of development and polishing these ideas.

And

it's not just a fight itself, but a

philosophy that comes with it.

And so, obviously,

there are specific principles, and those principles are what's shaping both your mental and physical development.

And when you do that in a very young age, even though I would say it doesn't matter how old you are, start now.

But if you do that, you know, you're really young age, then it just simply rewires your mind.

Absolutely.

That can impact your whole future because at such a young age of 11, sometimes in your teenage years, you're kind of rebellious, but you had such good discipline at a young age, you were able to translate it into success pretty early on, right?

Yes, and it's you're being thrown into the deep right away.

You know, As a kid, you have to go out on the mat, and now you're going to have to fight this other kid, right?

And

there are no parents and coaches that can interfere.

This is you and the other kid on the mat.

And so

the things that come out of this is

you start to develop these ideas of, well, this is going to happen now, so you might as well accept it.

So you start to learn now, this is a situation, I'm going to accept it, and I am going to do my best.

And

can't, you know, can't

brush it under the rug.

This is now.

This is happening now.

You can't run away from it.

Then you have to control your body, your adrenaline.

You have to control your mind.

But, you know, so you have to calm yourself down and then you have to execute.

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And it becomes fun.

And when it becomes fun, then you start to look at things like, well, this looks like an obstacle, but it's not really an obstacle, it's a challenge.

And that little change in your mind, that you look at things that they're no longer obstacles, but challenges, that revires everything.

I love that.

Now, everything, when somebody said to me, like, oh, this is not possible, that's when I get excited.

That's what makes me like, oh, yeah, let's go.

That's so cool.

Because you you said that it's not possible that's such a great mindset to have right because other people would say it's not possible and they would agree with them right but you have the opposite mindset let me achieve that and when you do when you dream things i mean i came out of hungary you know that was a communist country as i said we didn't have passport didn't have resources i came to america with a bag of clothes a guitar and 300 bucks didn't speak english that's crazy so i'm like okay let's go but that's all came from that all came from that mindset but you know it's okay let's let's go and you came here at 10 years old right no no no i was I was in the early 20s.

Oh, early 20s.

So you left Hungary at 10?

No, no, no.

I finished my education in Hungary.

Okay.

And I came here when I was 20, 21.

Got it, got it.

Now growing up.

No, I was an adult and I was alone.

So it's...

Oh, you didn't come with your parents?

No, no, no, no.

It was me,

a bag of clothes and a guitar.

That's crazy.

And a Hungarian English dictionary.

I taught myself to speak English by

reading Saushank Redemption.

Somebody left that room I was staying.

Somebody left that book.

And so I I took the Hungarian English dictionary and I word by word?

Word by word.

Wow.

I had no idea of the grammar.

And I would watch television.

There was a little black and white TV with a closed caption on it.

So I could recognize the words that I'm reading and what they say.

That's crazy.

So it took me like three, four months to

kind of have an idea.

Okay, that's pretty quick, actually.

Three, four months.

I read that book, I don't know, 25 times because eventually I started to understand.

Nice.

Like, oh, this is a really good book.

So I restarted.

Did you see the movie too?

Yeah, yeah.

It's a great movie.

So growing up in a communist country, did your family live in a state of fear a lot?

Well, that was, yes, especially that I was kind of a rebellious kid.

So they would, this was a real thing, that they would be like, kids, stop talking about this or that, you know, like, just zip it, because we're going to get arrested, you're going to get us in trouble.

That was a real thing.

And the generation before me was that the one that was really...

hit by it, right?

So my parents.

Like they, they were, you know, I was, as I said, I was a rebellious kid, so I was always saying, We're going to grow up.

This is our generation, we're going to grow up, and we're going to destroy this.

We're going to take this down.

This is not, you know, acceptable for us.

And our parents lived the times when, you know, if you speak out, you will just disappear.

And then that's it.

And if somebody asks questions, they'll disappear too.

Wow.

Oh, yeah, this was a serious thing.

That's scary, man.

Yeah.

And so, and I remember, like, you know, I usually tell this story because it's kind of illustrating how it really was.

And I was about seven, eight, there was a strike in America.

I think it was a transportation industry, was on strike.

And I saw it on TV.

And, you know, communism was, that was one TV channel, and they were just blaring, you know, communist ideology, ideas, and everything was about politics and whatever supports that.

And so they were gloating about this.

Like, man, look, look at that.

The bourgeois is falling in America.

You know, like the worker class is taking them down.

And, you know, and it comes to a screeching halt.

So, they were really bloistering about this.

And I was watching this, and I look at my dad, I'm like,

so that in America, I can go out on the streets with a sign and scream that I don't like the system, and I disagree, and I don't get arrested, I don't disappear, nobody shoots me.

I think I gotta get the hell out of here.

You know what I mean?

And

his face kind of told me everything.

The confusion that he was looking at, look, you know what I mean?

Because it was so embedded in them.

Wow.

And at that moment, I realized I have nothing to do with my parents and this generation.

Dang.

Because

their souls are destroyed.

They're controlled.

They don't even see the way out.

They can't even understand.

When I was saying these things, like, man, I'm going to go to America.

I'm going to be in a rock band and I'm going to tour the world.

Everybody was looking at me like I'm crazy.

Like literally.

Not just like,

oh, you're crazy.

No, you are crazy.

You don't have passports.

You can't leave the country.

There's a minefield.

There are border patrols.

There's, you know, there's no way out.

And I was like, no, no, I'm going to do this.

So that was an impossible dream for them.

Wow.

Right.

And it's going to take still generations before that whole thing is out of their system.

Oh, it's still like that now?

Well, the newer generation, obviously,

is now.

over that.

But as long as that generation is alive, you know, that what that system did to them is still affecting the society as a whole.

That's so crazy.

Because there is that fear, you know, there is that.

Yeah, they live by fear.

There's, you know, there's that experiment where they put the fleas in a jar.

Probably you saw that.

That's right, right?

And then, and they put a lid on it, and then eventually the fleas not jumping any higher than the lid.

Yep.

And they take off the lid, and the fleas don't jump out, even though they could.

That's a perfect illustration.

Perfect.

Of that, they were mentally and spiritually just destroyed.

Wow.

That they could not see another way.

This was their entire existence.

Like how, you know, your circumstances, your education just shapes you.

And if there is no other information, then you believe, and that's your system.

That's your belief system.

That's how you can operate.

So coming here must have been a huge change for you, right?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, for me, the statue of liberty was like, it hit me hard.

Wow.

We take it for granted as citizens, but yeah, hearing your perspective on it makes a lot of sense, the freedom aspect of it.

Yeah.

I thought, like, okay, now I'm here, and I knew what it was, you know, it's good for.

And I, you know, we were very well educated, actually.

So that's one thing that they did, right?

I mean, you have to read between the lines because they obviously had a massive, you know, skew to their ideology.

Yeah.

But as standard education, you know, you have to, you know, know everything.

You can't just pass grades.

And

high school was not,

high school, even high school was a privilege.

So you can't just go to high school.

Yeah, no, no, no.

You have to have a 4.0 because

that means like we have five gaze, one to five.

Five is a top, and one is a fail.

And you have to have a 4.0 average just to be able to apply.

Wow.

If you don't bring 4.0, and behavior was part of it.

So if you're a straight A student, but a lunatic, you still can't go to high school.

Interesting.

Right.

And so you have to have 4.0, and then they put you to really difficult tests, like a thousand questions.

A thousand questions?

Yeah, something like that.

Gosh.

And

then

whoever scores the highest,

those are the guys getting the seats.

And then if you didn't get into the, let's say, 500 seats available, if you're 501, sorry.

You have a chance to go to a secondary choice, another high school.

And if your score fit in there, then you get in and you knock at another kid.

And whoever knocked at, they will not have a high school education.

Wow.

You're gonna go to trade school, and maybe at night you can go to a special school to attain it.

So, it was hardcore.

That's insane.

Same with college.

So, you're an idiot, you're not gonna be a doctor.

You know, if you don't know your stuff, you're not, you know.

So, they were super hardcore about that.

A 10-year-old kid was already very well-aware, self-made pit bull that knew that, okay, I can't screw up.

I can't screw up because we don't have a private sector, so it's not like I drop out of school and I'm going to go and start a factory or company or whatever, a startup.

No entrepreneurship there.

Wow.

So you had no choice but to go to school.

So, like, by the time I was growing up, there were some privately owned little shops and this and that, but nothing on the large scale.

That's crazy.

And you were doing that while balancing the rock stuff on the side, right?

The music.

Well,

when I was a kid, I, you know, well, even a guitar, the first guitar I had, right?

So we couldn't afford one.

So I took a jigsaw at my parents' coffee table.

Like, this could be a pretty good guitar.

So, I literally cut out a shape.

I was a big fan of BC Rich guitars, and I cut out a shape, one of those curious guitar shapes.

I bought some pawn shop parts and put together a guitar that was barely playable, but it looked metal, you know, was my guitar.

So, yeah, that's how I started.

That was your first guitar, man.

Humble beginnings for you.

Yeah, you know, it's but that's kind of an Eastern philosophy compared to Western philosophy.

That's the big difference.

Yeah.

Because we didn't have resources.

If I asked you, like, hey, we we have to go to the moon,

what do you need?

You're going to have a long list of things that you're going to need to get there.

In Eastern Europe, it's like, okay, well, let me look at what we have in the garage.

We have some gasoline and this and that, and let's see how far we can go.

So it's a nomadic sort of mentality that whatever I have, I'm going to use that and go as far as I can.

And hopefully, in a way, we can pick up resources versus having a laundry list of things that I need to succeed.

Got it.

And and I think that's why a lot of people who come out of there have a little bit of an advantage because of the mindset.

Yeah, I agree.

So coming here at twenty-one, how long did it take before Five Finger Death Punch started from there?

Oh, like more than a decade.

Okay.

So 10 years you were just hustling, trying to find a living.

Right.

Well, basically, y you know, I had I finished my education, so I had various degrees.

I have a microelectronic microelectronic engineering degree.

I have a what you would com con uh translate to commercial art and design degree.

So I kind of was a designer, so that's how I, you know, and I was pretty good at that.

So

you're working for someone else?

Yeah, I was working for someone else for a while.

I was,

you know, I was doing merchandise for even Star Wars and all that.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, WWE, at the time, WWF,

and NASCAR.

And, you know, I was doing merch for a lot of different companies.

to licensors and whatnot and and then eventually had my own design studio and that's what i was doing while the band was already developing.

While we were on tour, in the first couple of years, I was still a consultant.

I was working in a space industry.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, I was designing stuff for Ansari Space Alliance.

And, you know, so the band took some years to take off.

It wasn't from day one.

Yeah, it's a completely self-made stuff.

Like the first record, we literally did it in my bedroom.

I'm living in

a

record is almost platinum now.

So

you can do it.

It's like, you know, it was really that.

Again, the same attitude.

Let's go.

Let's roll up your sleeve and just pedal to the metal and achieve.

How did you find your bandmates?

Well,

so I had to lay down the bricks first, right?

So that means the first record that we did, I had almost the entire record, like maybe one song short.

And so I had that idea already recorded.

That way, it's not just an idea that I tell you, like, I would like to do this, this, and this.

It's like, here it is.

This is what I'm doing.

And I've been in so many bands.

Generally, I start my bands.

There was one band I ever just sort of joined and see if that works for me.

I quickly realized I'm not a follower.

It doesn't work for me, you know.

And then, and then it's this one, because of the experience of having so many bands before that, I pretty much told everyone, look, here's the idea.

This is what I want to do.

This is the direction.

And you're in, then you're in.

If you want to argue about it, then you're not the guy.

I have a very specific vision of where we want to go.

So it's a dictatorship.

Well,

not really.

Once I had that idea of this is it, the guys joined, right?

The first record, I mean, I had to, somebody had to start, right?

Yeah.

The second, third record, now it's a team.

Everybody's working.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it is a band.

Nice.

Right.

I set the direction of the band and I set the course.

And to this day, I deal with most of the business.

Like, you know, my singer is, in my opinion, is one of the best performers I've ever seen.

He's a ninja at that.

And, you know, so we have this agreement that he was also, he was actually in a big band before.

And he hates the music industry.

He hated the whole shady stuff that was happening.

And so he kind of, at the time when I recruited him,

he quit the industry.

He's like, I don't want to be part of it.

This is not why I started music for him.

So he's a purist that way.

This is not what music is about, this is not why I started, I don't want to be involved with the way this works.

And I told him in the beginning, like, look,

um, you just be a musician, be as crazy as you want, do whatever you want, be an artist, I'll handle the business stuff, I'll deal with that.

You don't, you never have to do that, yeah, right?

I'll take care of that stuff.

I'm good at that, so so that agreement, you know, kind of how he joined the band.

He said, okay, I'll give this a shot, and then and then it exploded.

Exploded, now you're touring worldwide.

Yeah.

And still to this day,

he can be the singer he wants to be.

And now we obviously have a massive management and a lot of people helping us, but

it was a self-made band from the beginning.

Yeah, it's so cool to see you achieve your childhood dreams.

Do you still talk to your parents?

No, it's

so

that little story when I was seven, eight, and I realized that man, we have nothing in common.

And so, you know, maybe it's harder to understand from America or the Western society how the emotional state of

behind the Iron Curtain, how the emotional state of people are.

So it might be an alien concept, but but for me,

it was

like for most of us, this is always about the s survival.

And that's that's a harsh reality.

And it's when I'm talking about survival, not physical survival, but mental, spiritual survival.

And so that age, I really realized, like the dream

I'm dreaming is a crazy dream, and I know that.

So, and I always say this to you, like, man, if your dreams are not crazy, they're not big enough.

So, my dreams were kind of crazy, and I know that.

I don't need another person to, you know, to emphasize how crazy they are.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Because you have a crazy dream that you want to protect, you want to defend.

Like, yes, I know it's crazy, but I think I can achieve this.

And I don't need other people in my life telling me that it's impossible.

I know it's near impossible.

So I don't want other people around me grind me down.

So I start disbelieving as well.

And that was at 11 years old?

Yeah, somewhere in there.

As I said, you know, in those countries, at 10 years old, you're mental and adult because you know that if I screw up now, because it's a bureaucratic system without a private sector, I will be a cog in the machine sweeping the streets.

Wow.

Because they must see all your success now and they must want to talk to you, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it's I separated when I was 14.

Wow, I went to a boarding school and I never went back home.

Dang, yeah, because we, you know, they were both in the military, high-ranking officers, and

and um,

and that was you know, that was their life, that was how they view the world.

And I even eventually realized there is no conversation here, there is no spiritual-emotional connection.

Like, we don't speak the same language.

And

I basically put them in a box that you are harmful to me.

You're harmful to my development.

You're harmful to my spiritual and mental development.

You never understand what I'm doing.

And yeah,

one time I tried to reconnect.

Like somebody told me, like, well, you know,

everybody deserves a second chance.

Well, this is actually chance 15.

And, you know, the first, within the first, I made a phone call to my mom.

and literally in the first

minute, I think, minute and a half, she did drop, like, are you still playing that stupid guitar?

And I'm like, all right, we're done.

Damn, still after this many years.

They could not understand that, you know, to them, it was like, hey, if you lay bricks, that's a job.

That's a man's job.

Do that.

And I'm like, you know, I'm a musician.

I'm an artist.

I'm painting.

I'm playing guitar.

I was going to these schools that are specifically, because we were separated to various schools in systems, they would test you in kindergarten and they say, okay, you're good at this, so we're going to put you in this school.

You're good at that.

So I went to a school that was math, mathematics, specific.

So we were like jamming down theoretical math

since I was seven.

We had two, three math classes a day.

That's how we were rolling this.

And so I was really interested in science, particle science.

I was working at an observatorium by the time of Penn.

So pretty much my life was judo,

science,

right?

And art.

And none of those things connected to them.

They didn't understand it.

And that's why I'm like, okay,

I understand that there's a blood connection, but to me,

I like the idea that I choose my circle.

I choose my friends.

I choose who I associate with.

I'm similar.

I've actually gone through moments where I've cut some family members off, you know what I mean?

And out here in America, I think people place a lot of emphasis on on family, right?

And they think it's like a bad thing to cut them off.

But if they're toxic, like you're saying, sometimes you got to distance yourself.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm assuming you had your dreams, you have your, you know, your aspirations, and anybody, that's how you succeed.

Anybody who's going to come to your life, I'm pretty sure you're doing that because people who are successful,

where you are today, you know, you had to achieve that.

People who are successful, almost all of them have

this element of getting rid of toxic people, getting rid of people

who are harmful to the idea you're trying to achieve.

Because

you had to have a dream first, that

creative visualization is a real thing.

It worked for me my entire life.

There is no other way for me to think that I know that I had to imagine something and then keep that intent and keep that vision in my mind and then work toward it and achieve it.

Manifest.

Manifest, right?

And if you have people in your life that interfere with that, that's the most toxic.

super toxic and it yeah it used to be my own mother at certain points as well so yeah i mean a way to to

i i

sort of prove my case to people when we talk about creative visualization is is that i give them a pencil like hey draw a straight line they can okay draw a triangle they can draw a triangle okay draw a circle as good as you can and most people can draw a pretty decent circle okay so you thought

you know let's go for a square there's a square okay so you could draw every single element, every single shape, basically, that is needed for you to paint them on a list of.

Then why can't you?

Right?

You can't paint them on a lisa because painting, the mechanical skills you have, like you just demonstrated with a pencil, you have to have a vision of what you're painting and copy that onto the canvas from your mind.

So this is all about your creative visualization.

This is all about you holding a picture and then translate it down to the paper.

And this is the same with music.

You have to hear that in your head and compose the music.

And this is the same with life.

It will manifest your life exactly how you imagined it.

Right.

I love that.

Yeah.

And then, so that's my proof.

Like, here's a pencil.

Then why can't you paint?

Yeah, that's so powerful.

You also help a lot of veterans.

Why did you become so passionate about the veteran community?

So

various reasons, but you know, to put them in order, I grew up in a military base i was born in a military base so i from an early age i i saw how even though these guys were serving a different system that i didn't agree with i do i did understand how you know different those those people are right the warrior class basically

and you know there is a utopistic idea like imagine how cool it would be if nobody broke the law if countries were not warring,

they don't need any weapons because nobody think of hurting others.

That would be fantastic.

It's not the case.

Unfortunately, it's not going to be the case for a long time to come.

And so if you accept that, and you kind of have to because this is reality,

then you do need the guys,

men and women, who will sign up for defending the agreed upon rules.

We agreed upon that we're not going to steal from each other.

We agreed upon that we're not going to hurt each other.

We agreed upon that, right?

But some will break those rules.

And so you need muscle,

you need men and women in with that mentality that I sign up to defend the agreed upon rules.

Like so many times, let's say police gets a lot of trap to, you know.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, they didn't make the rules.

If you want to change the rules, you need to vote people in who will change the rules.

They just follow what they were told.

Now, there are some issues, yeah.

in any case of course

there are you know there are people who might be maybe shouldn't be there, right?

But that's the case with everything.

And if I wanted to compare, let's say,

how many injuries or how many issues police officers cause, well, the medical field causes way more.

Way more.

Way more, infinitely more.

So, you know, we don't go out to the street with signs like down with the doctors.

So, you know, but when it comes to the both military and police, I look at them as these are the guys who risk their lives

to

protect the agreed-upon rules that allows us to be a society, right?

If we disconnected

electricity, if we disconnected electricity or

you know, shut down, you know, the

food chain for three days, you know, what would happen?

It's absolute chaos, right?

If the police didn't go to work for three days, what would happen, right?

If the millis, if the military

just quit all of them today what would happen right so you know so it's it's kind of crazy to you know of course we always look at it war war is terrible yes it is

but again as long as as it's happening as long as there are elements that want more and elements that want to break the system elements that violate the agreed upon rules, you know, then

these guys are necessary.

And you and I, you know, we wake up in the morning and we do about our business.

I'm not thinking like, man, maybe this is the day that I'm not making it home.

I don't think about that.

They do.

Yeah.

So, you know, so at least they deserve the respect for that.

Absolutely.

So I kind of look at them as that, like the lost Spartans, the last, you know, the lost warrior class who sign up to, you know.

And look, there's a firefight happening, you know.

The military and the police runs toward it.

Everybody else runs the the other way, obviously, right?

Yeah, so you gotta recognize that, you know, that there is

a different kind of person, and I respect that.

And being a martial artist, obviously, that's close, you know, that's a close thing to me.

I train with a lot of them, I train a lot of them, you know.

So that's cool, I love that.

Yeah, Zoltan, it's been fun, man.

Where can people find you and anything you want to promote?

I know you got the coconut water brand.

Yes, that's you know, that's another

once upon a coconut, the best coconut ever.

You know what?

Here's the thing: i

i didn't really like coconut water that was not a thing right until i tried that and i'm like i i need to be part of this very dicky man every time i see one in my fridge i pound it right that's that's that's definitely the best one in the world and i'm part of that business as well

and i mean

that's the idea just

I'm I'm check marking everything, you know, like I came from there.

I was 20 years behind, you know?

So now it's pedal to the metal and everything I can be involved with, everything I ever wanted to do.

I kind of checked more, check mark, check mark.

And I know you got Epic Roll too.

Oh, Epic Roll, yeah, that's another one.

That's a GGC brand.

So, you know, I'm building my little, you know, my little empires.

But it's, it's every time I get involved with something, it's the same thing I just told you.

That I look at a situation, I look at a business.

Can I be helpful here?

If I have to reshuffle the cards, then I'm not the right guy.

So, you know, Coconut Water, Epic Roll, I have various companies.

I mean, obviously the band is my main, you know, music is my

main thing, but on the side, this is fun for me.

Everything I can build, entrepreneurship is something where, because it's a chess game.

Yeah.

You know, it's a chess game.

And if I can do something that, like this, this is good.

There is no other

ingredient but coconut water.

Like I stay away from sugar as much as possible.

You know, unfortunately, it's kind of difficult.

Yeah.

You know, so I look at something something like this.

I'm like, okay, this is 100% healthy.

So I can step behind it and say, okay.

Yeah.

You know, or my

Epic Roll is a brand that's one of the best,

you know, most, most comfortable GG2 gear I wore.

So before I got involved with that company, I already was using their gear.

And then I thought, okay, if I get involved, I can help.

Love it.

So everything, everything is the same thing.

Everything, if I can add one, then I'm interested.

Yeah, love it.

We'll link it all in the video, man.

Thanks so much for coming on.

Thank you you so much.

Yeah, thanks for watching, guys.

As always, see you tomorrow.