Making a Living off of Sports Betting I Bill Krackomberger DSH #410

Big game this week, like almost its own Super Bowl.

And why do you favor those lower-key schools?

Not a lot of eyeballs on them.

The bookmaker cannot get the line right.

Aren't they using AI though these days?

Uh, there's that's they're getting into that a little bit, but there's still good old-fashioned bookmaking that goes on.

You know, it's funny.

If you're down by 14 points and you get a touchdown, you should go for two.

And everyone at home doesn't realize.

It's like, this is fixed.

This is fixed.

That's the biggest, biggest letter all over social media.

Fix

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Ladies and gentlemen, professional sports better Bill Krackenberger here today.

How's it going?

Good.

How you doing?

All right.

Good, man.

Where did we meet?

Forget.

We met.

Didn't we meet here through John?

We did.

Yeah.

Dude, the sports betting world fascinates me because there's a lot of people making some crazy claims, but you seem to be one of those guys that have been around for a while.

There is crazy claims, and I kind of go after those guys almost every day.

Yeah.

Because I feel bad for the kids at home that are getting influenced by influencers that talk.

I usually don't curse on shows.

Sorry.

You're good.

Yeah.

I just can't stand these kids are, you know, people are showing piles of money at casino cages I see all the time.

And then, like, you know,

I filmed a show called Action on Showtime or DocuSeries.

They wanted me to do that.

Like, oh, can you bring $100,000 to the window?

No, no, that's not who I am.

Yeah.

I always say it on all shows.

I drive a Kia.

I can go out and get a Rolls-Royce if I want tomorrow cash.

I don't do that, though.

It's not the kind of image I want to give off to people.

And I want people to know how hard it is to grind away and try to make money betting sports.

It's a, you know, we have like, just like my blackjack car counting, I have a one, two percent edge.

2%'s giant.

So 1% edge.

Sports betting, 3%, 5%, maybe at the peaks of certain sports, like college basketball totals.

College football season this year was incredible.

So something like that.

But it's not what all these people think.

You know, you want to give out, you know, one game a day or one, you know, the things they give out.

It's like, you know how many, you know how lucky you have to run?

to give out even one game a day

and win, even if you're a 58% handicapper, it doesn't matter.

You're going to fail throughout the year without giving out volume and a lot of plays and a lot of because

it's not just the win one game.

There's all these frauds out there that say, oh, win one game.

Oh, next game, we're going to double up this game.

And we're going to triple up this game.

Hey, look, I made money with you.

Look, I went one and two and I made money with you.

Yeah, sure.

You had eight units in play, seven units in play.

It just, there's so many scammers out there.

And these kids, they're gullible.

They just, all they do is see money and they just say, oh my God, how did they get all that money?

He got all the money from scamming people.

That's not got all the money.

So, but they're all out there.

The charlatans, the snake oil salesmen.

I, you know, people get influenced real easy.

And you know what?

I was a losing player.

I was a loser.

Everyone was, but I admit it.

I was a loser before I was a winner.

And I was a sucker.

I grew up back east.

I was betting stuff that, you know, just doubling up up and tripling up and watching TV and,

you know, watching every game on every TV.

And by the end of the day, if I didn't win, I was betting it all to try to get even just for the day.

Yeah.

Just like the casinos survive.

How do you think these casinos survive?

People play and say, God, let me just get even.

If I just get even, I won't gamble no more.

And then what happens?

They're out there two days later because they're dreaming of it at nighttime and say, I got to get back in action.

And it's a long season.

It's a grinded out season.

And that's what I do.

That's what we do.

Now, yes,

I did join the pick-selling game, and I can't stand house.

Most of them are just all liars.

So I did join that sleazy services that are out there.

I don't even talk about it.

And I'm not going to give it out on this show.

I'm not even giving it out, my pick service, because that's not why I'm here.

But I know people will say that.

Well, are you part of that script?

Listen.

I win, obviously.

The rest of my customers will scream at me and go crazy at me on socials.

But it's a long game.

It's a grind out type of thing.

I have months where I went like, I had some six, sick months where I went like 70%,

75% actually.

They remember one month two years ago in college basketball season, and people were mad.

They were mad.

Yeah, they were like, you know, and even going six and four.

They're like, oh, six and four?

Oh, I can do that.

Over long periods of time, you can't do that.

You're not going to hit 60%.

You don't see many guys in your space that last over 10 years.

Oh, I've been making a living betting sports and paying taxes.

That's the most important thing.

Paying taxes on sports betting when quarterly estimated tax just made a giant one a couple of days ago.

That's how you know you're doing well.

I've been doing that for

25 years.

Yeah.

Because most of these guys probably just don't even

going after them for not or whatever.

They probably have leaks other places they lose.

You can only write off as much as

you win.

You can't write off more.

So even I have win-loss reports from casinos because I do play video poker.

I play promotions.

I play buy-in promotions where you put money up and they give you money to come in.

I was just up in San Fran.

They had a bunch of guys here in town.

They sent a private jet, a G5 for a bunch of us.

And I put up a large amount of money and they gave me $5,000 to walk in.

Wow.

So they give you $5,000 to walk in thinking they could potentially get that six-figure deposit that I made.

And I lost.

I lost.

I actually won up losing nine grand.

But I had a $5,000 head start, but they had no shot to get $100,000 off me.

It's giving the image, the allure that I'm going to, you have a chance at my money if i was the average joe that literally couldn't control myself under the guise of bankroll management because you just want to get even you know like i said before so i do bet for professionally for a living and um yeah i'm doing a lot of media stuff now too that's very nice but yeah and it pays very well making a healthy six figures a year with media which i'm like that was never supposed to happen you know i had old-fashioned parents were like billy be careful don't say the wrong things mom i'm betting sports.

I'm not a bookmaker.

I'm not an agent.

I'm just betting sports.

So now it's fashionable.

Everyone wants to do, I am doing, I'm in the media space.

But luckily enough, these people that are in the sports betting media space for the most part, if they lost that media job, they lost that sports betting talk host job.

I don't know what they'd be able to do.

Mop floors?

What would they be able to do?

I mean, me, I could just go back to betting sports.

Yeah.

You got a safety net.

But speaking of safety nets, a lot of people see sports setting as a high-risk endeavor, like a high-risk lifestyle.

Do you see it that way at all?

As long as you stay within your skill sets that you learned, like myself,

number one, percentage of bankroll, you know, only betting one to two percent of your bank roll.

And that sounds funny, probably.

Let's say you have a lot.

By the way, it's not your bankroll for your bills and everything.

It's your sports betting allotted bankroll.

It has to be the bankroll just for sports betting, not to go to the movies or dinner with your girl, not for anything, for any household bills.

yes that bankroll one to two percent it's nothing if you think about it someone starts with a thousand dollars you know what you're supposed to bet ten dollars oh that's it ten to twenty dollars one to two percent that that that's all now that's going to grow so one to two percent if you're a winning sports better betting twenty dollars at a time at the end of the day let's say you have eleven hundred dollars well that now that eleven hundred dollars you're actually going to bet twenty two dollars per game got it so calm down and it's going to go up more and more and more as you win and what do you think i started with i started with a thousand dollars that's it a thousand bucks.

1993, 94, sent $500 to two sports books.

They doubled my deposits.

That's a big money-making thing, too.

So you could deposit with these places, even all these licensed places in the States here.

You see the bonuses they offer and stuff.

So I literally started with $500, two different sports books.

They doubled my deposits, a thousand and a thousand.

You have to roll it over multiple times, but that was my goal anyway.

And literally, I've made tons and tons of money since then.

Wow.

But you mentioned you were losing at first, right?

Not then.

I was losing at first

when I was a kid in my teens.

Got it, y'all.

Even into early 20s.

I grew up in a Jersey shore.

I worked on a boardwalk.

I worked at literally my aunt and uncle's pizza stand on the...

Was that in Seaside?

It's about 25 miles north of Seaside.

Cool.

Yeah.

I grew up in Jersey.

I went to Seaside a lot.

Oh, did you?

Yeah.

What part of Jersey did you grew up?

Bridgewater.

Oh, yeah.

I can't even.

Guys like us, I grew up in a blue-collar town.

Bridgewater, like Bridgewater Commons and stuff.

We wouldn't even go over there.

You guys are rich.

We grew up poor.

I grew up in a little town called Kingsburg, New Jersey.

Monmouth County, exit 117 on the parkway.

Oh, wait, Kingsburg?

Kingsburgh.

Blue-collar.

It's a Monmouth County, like Hazlitt, Union Beach, Red Bank, those there.

Middletown, those areas there.

And a very blue-collar, hard-working, good people, though.

Good, solid family-based people.

But the town I grew up in was a gambling town.

Everyone gambled.

Even literally pitching quarters behind the post office when I was a kid.

And I come from, my mother was Italian.

I come from her family.

They were all gamblers.

My uncles, my Italian uncles.

They would all come over.

My father was a country boy from Ohio.

And he was corrupted by them.

I say corrupted.

And that's how we learned gambling.

You know, our gambling in our house, holidays like Thanksgiving and stuff, literally Thanksgiving night, when the kids went to bed, the adults broke out the cards and the guys played pinuncle and the ladies played gin or continental rummy.

And it was for money, for pennies and dimes.

It was not cutthroat, but it was fun stuff.

But however, for us little wise guy kids that are in the family, we all thought we want to be gamblers now for a living.

And literally, I used to work so hard that board walked down so many games.

I'm sorry, so many jobs I had.

I had a lot of jobs when I was a kid.

And I would blow the money at the racetrack.

I would make money in blackjack because my cousin taught me card counting at a very young age.

Card counting, people think it's very hard.

You can learn 90% of what I know in a four-hour internet session.

Wow.

It's a a lot easier than people think.

Cards in the gate card.

In other words, if you have a 10 and a 3, you don't even look at that hand.

It's 0.

Plus 1, minus 1, but it's 0.

So it's a lot easier than people think.

But I would play, it was even easier for me because here I am 10, 11, 12 years old.

My very sharp cousin, Anthony, showed me right away that, you know, a deck of cards, obviously we know there's four aces.

So if you're playing head-to-head blackjack with someone, just keep track of the aces.

How many aces are in the hand?

You can keep track of aces.

There's only four of them.

You deal right to the bottom.

You know, if there's only this much cards left, there's two aces out, it's good for you to bet more because you get three to two on blackjack.

But now the casinos use like five decks, right?

The casinos use double decks.

Oh, double deck.

Double deck, blackjack, and they have six deck and eight deck.

Okay.

Yeah.

But however, they have some of the casinos have really good rules.

But unfortunately, I'm mostly not allowed to play.

Yeah, you got banned from most of them, right?

Well, yeah, I got into this.

I made a mistake, by the way.

I wish I wouldn't have done this.

If I had a chance to do one thing over in life, it would be

not getting myself in the Griffin book.

It's Griffin Investigations is the Griffin book, the casinos you're doing.

Is that the Black Book?

No, the Black Book's a total different book.

Okay.

The Black Book is a book that people aren't allowed in the casinos at all.

Got it.

You're in there with Al Capone.

I mean, you're in there with the gangsters and stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

Cheats, casino cheats.

We're not cheating, we're using our brain.

So you have the Black Book, you have the Griffin book, and you have there's a new company now also that also does card counting.

And I wish I wouldn't have done that because it's such a small edge.

I don't even do it anymore.

You're not going to catch me on a blackjack table.

Oh, so the Griffin one's just for like counting and like minuscule card counting, but there's other ways to win now too that

you can get yourself in one of the books.

And you're not doing nothing.

You're not cheating, but you can get yourself in a book because it's like whole carting, like sitting low in a chair, sitting down low and seeing the dealer's whole card.

In other words, there's all these new pits that like they call like the sexy pits with the girls that are brand new.

They're breaking into dealing.

Well, they're holding cards and they're showing the bottom card here and they're dealing the cards.

That's whole carting.

Or so you'll see, you'll see actually the card that they have so their whole card is what you want you want to get a glimpse of the dealer's whole card so that's one way then there's a little more advanced thing there's like uh shuffle tracking a sequencing when clumps of the cards are put back together and not shuffled randomly there's a lot of little things that you can gain edges at that you can get yourself barred yeah um i say barred you can get yourself in the the griffin the books that have um card counting measures.

Now, each casino, usually in the old days, they had card counting counting teams themselves.

People don't know that.

Matter of fact, if it wasn't for card counting, you wouldn't know me today.

I wouldn't be sitting here.

Because when I was in Atlantic City in the early 90s, I met someone that was the head of the card counting team at Resorts International, which is still the casino still in existence today.

He was out playing after he worked his eight-hour shifts.

He was out playing at other casinos.

Other casinos.

He was using his skills and his skill set to be able to beat casinos on his own.

Smart, because that's their competition.

That's their competition.

He's taking money money from them.

Yeah.

And he would do it for financial gain, of course.

But I met him one day at a blackjack machine, at a blackjack machine, and

I was sitting next to him.

He changed my life.

If it's not for that guy, telling me about this blackjack machine that was giving you back all your money on the surrender feature,

which is a longer process to go into, but the machine was at a vantage machine.

I didn't know what it was doing.

I knew all these guys were there at like two in the morning.

Just so happens, the seat opened up right next to that guy.

He told me everything about Advantage sports betting, meddling, scalping games, blackjack card counting.

I already knew some, but he taught me some advanced things, what they look for, that he worked in a casino, and he was a countermeasure for the casino.

And he changed my life.

Wow.

Yeah.

So these casinos are just making a ton of money off gamblers.

Oh, sure.

Sure.

And they don't like winners either.

You know, people don't know this part.

I get some really good deals every week in the casinos to play video poker.

So I don't play table games anymore.

Unless there's, I shouldn't say that.

If they'll give me an offer like San Fran just gave me this casino in San Francisco.

Yeah, it was really nice.

There was like 10 of us.

It was really cool.

I've been on about four or five of them already.

Nice.

But that one was a really cool one.

It's just because it got us there so fast, this plane.

It's really cool.

Why do you like video poker?

Video poker is a percentage of payback compared to a reel, a slot machine, which pays back anywhere from gaming.

I think the gaming law here in Nevada is 85% of it has to pay back.

Don't quote me on it, but it's around there.

Whereas video poker, the payback is in the payback on the payback schedule on the table on the game.

So like there's games like 9-6-Jacks are better.

It's a simple game that a lot of people like because it pays back 99.54 with basic strategy, which is really easy to find.

You can just Google 96 Jacks poker basic strategy.

It'll show you exactly how to play the game to proper strategy.

There's a lot of common sense involved, too, though.

You have a pair of Jacks, you hold the Jacks.

You have a pair of fives, you hold the Fives.

But a lot of times people get confused if they're dealt ace jack queen five two so they'll say oh i'll hold the high ones ace jack queen because that could make me get it straight no the jack queen's right just a jack and queen so um do you gamble at all on the machine no don't no don't i'm i'm kind of thankful that i don't yeah i'm good good good but it's good to to help people too and that's what i'm all about too is i'm all about probably too much i probably talk too much i try to help Joe public with many things.

If they have problems getting paid from the sports book or something, I'll try to help them get

Yeah.

And I'll, and especially, I'm very transparent about things like I'm talking about now to you, which a lot of the pros would might,

there's not as many pros as you think, but they might get upset at you, at me.

But I try to help them out and show people basic strategy and show people the skill sets and the bankroll management I've learned across my 30-year career, starting out as a loser, then a winner.

But video poker is my

fun too.

It's my away time.

But I do get a lot of casino things with casinos that they give me good deals playing video poker and i'm actually losing i get i get a thousand dollars a week from a casino to come in and play a thousand a week i'm losing money there even though i probably should be more like close to breaking even or even making a little bit because of the game i play and the volume i put through the machine but um i just ran bad there and i'm losing a little bit there but it's nothing compared to my sports betting yeah i'll bet more on one game than i'll have a chance to lose there in four months yeah you're just doing it for fun at this point it is it's enjoyable it's my it's my it's my little um i don't want to even call it a leak but it's nostalgic you grew up with it as a guest it is it is i grew up i grew up a gambling addict gambling in my life a lot of people grow up with gambling in their life it becomes a bad problem right i just turned it around on the house yeah now how did that end up for the rest of your family did they go down dark paths or are you helping them um you know what Are you interested in coming on the Digital Social Hour podcast as a guest?

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My parents both gambled.

They had fun times with it, though.

Listen,

towards the end of their lives,

I was so happy.

I wish they were still here that I can finance their gambling.

Now, when I say that, I give them 500 bucks each.

Play some video poker.

Play, enjoy yourselves in the casino.

That was their enjoyment.

And, you know, we grew up poor.

We were poor.

My parents worked blue-collar jobs, very hard-working people.

My mom

drove a school bus.

My dad was a built-in.

My dad can build anything, plumbing electrician, a whole house from top to bottom.

And then he was in the car business.

He was a finance manager.

My father and mother worked very, very hard to give their kids a better upbringing.

As far as my brother goes,

he's a good kid, regular.

I say good kid.

He's 50 years old.

But he's a hardworking guy.

He works for Entamin's, which is a big pastry company back east.

Cookies and cakes.

Out here, it doesn't seem like I see Entamans anywhere.

I haven't seen them.

Yeah.

But back in New Jersey and New York and Philadelphia and Pennsylvania, it's a big thing.

He has a very good job, and his wife has a good job.

They make a good living.

They both, listen, they don't really gamble, but we gambled as kids.

My brother gambled too as kids.

We were losers, my brother and I.

He got into the poker scene for a while.

Worst thing you can do is make a score.

What's up?

A score.

You know, he won 60 grand in the poker tournament.

Next thing you think, what's he think, Sean?

He's a poker player.

All you have to do, all it takes is one score to to to literally give you the fascination that maybe i could do this right right i don't have to listen to a boss all day long i could do play poker for a living and the poker pros that are out there they love that you know that's what they make a living off of so yeah that a lot of gamblers in my life they're still gamblers in my family yeah they're still gambling away and um you know like my mom and dad my dad said something to me a couple times and i never did it again when i was sitting next to him playing video poker I said, no, dad, you hold the Jack Queen there.

You don't hold it.

And I'll say, Bill, you take the fun out of my gambling.

That's why I'm here.

I said, you know what?

You're right.

You're playing 25 cent video poker, a dollar and a quarter a hand.

What's wrong with me?

Why do I have to get the best of everything?

Let them enjoy themselves.

Just like other people go to the movies on vacation, go to dinners.

You know, let them enjoy themselves.

That's true.

I like that, man.

Yeah.

How do you choose which sports and, I guess, games to bet on?

Is there a specific strategy?

Sure.

You'd be shocked to know this.

What's the number one sport event in

Las Vegas?

In America?

You know what it is?

NFL.

NFL, right?

Yeah, number one.

You'd be shocked to know.

I really don't do too much NFL.

Really?

It's the most looked-at sport there is.

It's the hardest sport to beat.

NFL sides.

Talking about the sides, like picking the game, game versus game.

San Francis playing Baltimore.

Big game this week.

Like almost its own Super Bowl.

It's so big.

And everyone that

wants to look at that game, wants to watch that game.

Two top teams in the nation, and they want to bet either one team A or team B.

Not me.

Not me.

Very rare that I'll have a side on a game.

I'll bet totals.

I'll bet some correlation, some teasers, some secondary markets, like proposition bets, over-under yardage, like

on whatever, any quarterback.

You know what I'm saying?

So,

or over-under yardage on a running back or Christian McCaffrey, let's say.

So I'll do that because it's not looked at so much like the NFL is.

The NFL sides are.

So I do like to bet that stuff.

Those what I just talked about.

College basketball and college football, probably my forte, though.

Betting some smaller schools that people don't look at so much.

People look at the big schools,

I'm sorry, like Stanford and Notre Dame and NFL and teams that are almost like NFL teams, literally.

The Alabamas and LSUs and all the good teams that are in football,

they look at them and they go, oh, I got to bet this game.

Oregon's playing.

I got to bet Oregon.

I got to bet this game.

I'm looking at the real division schools that aren't even posted on, not even on TV.

So I said it on Showtime.

I'm looking at schools like Maine, University of Maine, whoever knew that they had a football team you can bet on.

And why do you favor those lower key schools?

Not a lot of eyeballs on them.

The Bookmaker cannot get the line right.

Bookmaker has to get the, especially now,

when it's college football.

and NFL going on and college basketball going on.

Oh my God.

On any given Saturday, I literally could show you on my computer.

Any given Saturday, they have to get 100 lines crossed.

100 lines.

Aren't they using AI though these days?

They're getting into that a little bit, but there's still good old-fashioned bookmaking that goes on.

You know, it's funny.

For a while there, the analytics were coming into play.

Every single NFL team had an analytics department with four or five guys.

That's stopping now.

They have analytics, but maybe one guy.

They don't have because there has to be that good old-fashioned feel

from the guys that played football, that are the coaches, the GMs.

You have to have that also into

your numbers and into your calculations of what you've done.

Now, granted, analytics still play a big role.

Like we found out recently that if you're down by 14 points and you get a touchdown, you should go for two.

Instead of just going for seven, two, sevens to tie the game.

You're better off going for two.

Really?

Yes, you're better off going for two there.

And everyone at home doesn't realize.

It's like, this is fixed.

This is fixed.

That's the biggest, biggest letter.

All over social media.

FIX, biggest thing you see on all social media because they only look at it from their eyes and their team, they bet.

They don't look at it from both ways.

In other words, you and I can be betting, you bet team A, I bet team B.

However, watching the game, you're going to think your team A should have won.

I'm going to think my team B should have won.

We only look at it from our eyes and the mistakes that are made on our sidelines or our teams.

You don't look at it from the other side and say, the other guy could say, oh, yeah, but what about my fumbles that I fumbled the ball?

You don't even realize, oh, yeah, I guess you're right.

You know, that makes people come back to the counter every week.

It makes them come back every single week.

That's so true because fans of teams will only look at it from their side.

And what happens?

You said the right words.

You said that.

You see it all the time.

What do they say?

That was fixed.

It's the NFL's fixed.

Come on, these guys are making millions of dollars.

Give me a break.

Do you think someone's making 10 million, 20 million?

You think the homes making 50 million a year fixing games?

I mean, do you think these, come on?

The one fix I could see, because it's happened in the past, is referees.

Well, we've known that with the Donahue in the NBA in the past.

And yeah, he put a bad thing on the game.

Listen,

it's not only that, it could happen on college basketball where it's less cameras, less eyes on you.

Absolutely, referees can get involved.

I've never seen really the, except besides Donahue, which came out publicly, I've never really...

you know, seen anything where, put it this way.

Sean, I've never been called, and people know I have access to lots of these sports books in town for big limits.

Yes.

Hey, crack, this is, we've got a fix here today.

This game's going to be fixed, or FREE's fixed, and we should bet all we can on whatever, you know, on Arizona.

Yeah.

You know, no, I haven't had that phone.

And you would have been in position to see those.

Listen, I've worked with the sharpest, best gambling syndicates in the world.

Yeah.

Biggest ones in the world.

No one's ever come out and told me a game's fixed.

You know,

it's just, but you know how they know something's funny?

The bookmaker will actually alert

the proper authorities if they're getting all one-way action on a certain team like it happened down at the south point well it wasn't the south point but it was this it was the bookmakers from the south point yeah it happened to them at their previous position where they were getting one-way action on a certain team we've seen a couple specials here on tv here once in a while um some of this you know the players were approached on on the collegiate level and um i'm not really gonna get it away you can watch it it i don't want people to think that happened so much so i don't don't want to get it.

It's a once-in-a-blue moon, but you're right.

There could be certain things with referees.

There could be individual situations, but I'm not pretty.

There's some individual ones.

Did you see the Chris Paul one?

I've heard about it.

Yeah.

So there's this, I forget the ref's name, but he's never won a playoff game under that ref.

Huh, that's amazing.

See, you see, if you take personal vendettas or situations.

They just found out like a month ago, Chris Paul said that the ref made fun of his kid or something.

Yeah.

No, no, it could be.

You could be right.

Yeah.

I saw you tweet about Durango.

Oh, I like it over there.

You like it?

Better than Fountain Blue?

Yeah, I haven't been to Fountain Blue yet.

I'm kind of mad at Fountain Blue.

How can they not let

all these people who are outside, unbelievable influencers with millions of followers, hundreds of thousands, that one guy has 400,000 followers?

They let these people in at 6 p.m.

And they let the influencers who, let's face it, that's where people get...

That's where people get their information from now.

It could be from local media or even major media.

They let them in at 6 p.m.

They let like local Fox 5 or whatever get in.

How can you not let someone that has 475,000 followers with doing a live feed with 50,000 people?

I didn't get invited to.

They really, I don't know, there must have been some old antique that works there and doesn't realize he should have let people in.

He shouldn't have let people in.

I heard it was 2,000 people.

They let in.

And then I know the GM there and he said he only had a plus one and he's like a GM.

Wow.

So it was pretty tight.

Yeah, but how do you let those 2,000 people?

Who are they?

I've seen videos of those people.

Yeah.

Some of them look like they should be in a homeless shelter.

Some of them were big.

Some of them were probably plus ones that don't even have social media.

But I'm not going to lie, I was a little upset.

Of course, you have to be upset.

You have a lot of followers.

How come they're not all that?

I wanted to go and network.

I don't even care to flex.

I just wanted to meet new people.

I didn't even go.

I haven't even went.

I'm surprised nobody did because you're a big in casinos scene.

Yeah, but I'm not.

Those influencers are much bigger than me.

I'm a small potatoes.

Vegas Matt was there, but yeah.

Oh, Vegas Matt got in

early.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, he, you know he he's a losing slot player

I wish he would put that out there more

he loses no he does I'll give him that he does I wish these these people that are that are influencing showing slot machines and because people at home see that and they wish they were them yeah oh my god if I could only spin the wheel for that kind of money or if I can only spin these people is a these people are making a million dollars a year from you know YouTube influencers wise or getting paid for sponsors they're they're losers so the slots are lost

they're losing casino gamblers The slots are just, the odds are so bad.

Oh, I just like that.

Like 8%.

8% is a good number.

Very good.

So you do know for not gambling.

You know the number.

Yeah, I look it up.

I mean, I just look at it as like...

See, my video poker's half a percent.

Half a percent.

That's the best I've ever heard.

That's better than Backer Odd, actually.

You can go to any station casinos, and you can see right at the table,

it says right at the machine bank, it'll say up to 99.8% or up to 100% full pay.

Wow.

So, right, they have banks of them and all the stations' properties and stuff.

So if you

play them over time, but they give you less points or no points for playing them because you're playing a good percentage game.

Got it.

That's interesting.

Why'd you like Durango?

I saw your tweet about the pizza spot there.

Oh, I like the pizza spot.

Yeah, the pizza spot was good.

And when I mentioned it on air with John O., he's like, I know the owner of that place.

And I didn't even realize that Dana was on because we were out with Dana a few times playing black chick.

And,

of course,

that's someone I would not tell anything to, just to let you like.

I won't tell it.

Listen, the guy's betting $30,000 a hand.

I'm not going to.

give him advice

even if he's betting 300 a hand there's no nothing good can come out of me giving someone advice at the table like that yeah because what'll happen they think well if i would have stayed if i don't listen to this guy with his one percent hand you know why make enemies out of somebody i would never tell him well he's probably already counting to be honest i don't think so really i don't think so wow because he i've seen him win in blackjack pretty big win he told me that he won like 15 times in a row he's on an unbelievable streak unbelievable since his uh fights were overseas somewhere in a

Abu Dhabi.

He said I came back on him 15 times in a while.

Wow.

So it's Boston.

Red Rock's just good luck, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he's had losses there, too.

He'll say that.

But going back to what you were saying, I really liked Durango.

I went in and I tried the pizza place.

I tried Herbsburgers.

John said he knew that they were good.

I thought they were just okay.

But the pizza place, I was real impressed with.

It's Prince Street from New York.

Yeah.

I was impressed with the square pizza.

I was impressed.

The spicy.

Spicy one's excellent.

Yeah.

Very good.

So I don't do pepperoni normally.

it worked same it worked with that hot honey yeah yeah it worked no they they they they're uh i was a fan because it's hard to find pizza in vegas coming from new jersey you know how it is exactly coming from jersey so i'm really partial to like uh new york pizza like john's a bleaker or uh new haven there's frank pepps and sally's and then there's uh like l b spomoni gardens square pie in in brooklyn one of my favorites that pie reminded me of l b spomoni gardens with the sauce on top wow i thought it was fantastic so that's legendary i've been struggling to find good Italian out here.

Have you found any?

The Italian American Club's good.

Old school Italian American Club.

American Club?

The Italian American Club.

It's on Sahara.

It's just like Vegas used to be, Sean.

You got to go.

I got to tell you.

You walk in, it's dark.

It's the Sinatra music, Tony Bennett, Dean Martin.

And the food is fantastic.

Probably the best veal in the city.

I've been struggling because from Jersey, we don't realize, I mean, you realize you do have Italian, but I never realized how good the Italian was over there.

Oh, God.

Oh, no,

the best over there.

But we have some decent places here.

Believe it or not, we have a couple places.

We have a deli here,

Italian deli, if you like those sandwiches with the hard bread.

There's a place called Cagino's on Maryland Parkway between Flamingo and Tropicana.

They're from Staten Island.

They're like a real all-Italian family.

Their family is cooking the foods, making the subs, making fresh mozzarella house.

I love that.

And they also make a grandma's pie.

It's very good there.

So I did find a couple places here, but the food's never going to be never as good as back home.

I like the pizza place, Prince Street.

Fantastic.

Still not going to be as good as Spimoni Gardens pizza, but it's the best in this town that I've had.

Square pie.

I agree.

I don't think anything's close.

But it's expensive.

I'll tell you right now.

Yeah.

Howdy.

Two slices in a soda is like, you know, you're going to pay $20 for two slices in a soda.

Makes sense.

You're in a casino.

I was at the food court over at one of the food courts in town, Venetian or

somewhere.

Two slices in a soda, $27.

Wow.

$27 for two slices.

And they're lined up to get in.

Wow.

Lined up to get in.

Whenever I go to Italy, I spend like $200.

No, Italy, I can't help.

See, I'm at the point in my life where, like I said, I'm kind of, like I said, I drive a Kia.

I'm not a big shot there, but I have no problem spending $5,000 a month on food.

No, and you go to a place like Italy, that's the reason why.

I love Italy.

It's great.

Absolutely.

Good stuff.

Well, Bill, it's been a blast, man.

Anything you want to close off with or promote?

I don't want to promote anything.

You sure?

I'm not promoting none.

Oh, I appreciate it.

Promoting me.

Bill Crackman.

Love it.

Well, where's your Twitter at least?

At Bill Crackman at Twitter.

I do do Instagram now, though.

You know, I have one tweet.

It's not going to be nothing like yours, but I have one tweet that went a little bit viral, I guess.

It got a million views.

I mean, just a little bit.

That's solid, man.

Considering

I don't really do Instagram.

Yeah.

But I gained 20,000 followers on one tweet.

Holy and up to 26,000.

Just about how we win because we know the line first.

Guys like us, we know the lines better than the bookmakers.

So that's why when a line comes up Sunday night for the week for the next weekend's NFL game,

we get like a $1,000 dollar limit.

Whereas the day of the game, you can bring whatever you can bring to the counter.

Bring a million dollars, you can get a million dollars.

Because by then, the line's so refined.

That's exactly

fine.

You know a lot more than about gambling than you think.

I think on a couple stories, you used the word, you knew the 8%.

But yeah, so anyway, I'm at

my

Twitter handle at Crackwinds.

I didn't even know what it was.

I didn't know what the Twitter handle was.

I'm at.

Thanks for coming on.

Do you build it?

Anytime.

Thank you for having me.

Absolutely.

Thanks for watching, guys.

See you tomorrow.