Frazier Kay: Navigating the Worlds of Esports, Boxing, and OnlyFans | Digital Social Hour #40

They all came with loaded guns.

Put snipers on the hill and stuff, tell us to come out with our hands up.

There's snipers, bro.

Don't crack.

I've woken up to like shotguns in my face.

I got one on Instagram the other day.

A dick pic.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

I was like, you serious?

That's crazy.

Anyone's out there, please don't send us dick pics.

All right, welcome to the Digital Social Hour.

I'm your host, Sean Kelly.

I'm here with my co-host, Charlie Cavalier, and our guest today, Frasier Kaye.

So, what's up, guys?

Great to be here.

Doing well, man.

What brings you into town?

I've moved out to Vegas to start training boxing, actually.

Now, I live with my brother, Nikon, my girlfriend, Charlotte.

Jarvis is in this YouTube tournament.

His coach OS lives out here, trains in the Mayweather gym.

So, this is the place we came to.

We had to be.

Nice.

Have you met Mayweather?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We met Mayweather.

It was really, really, really crazy experience.

Jarvis sparred him twice.

Whoa.

Yeah.

Wow.

I don't know if you know that.

Yeah, Jarvis sparred him.

We made one video out of it, which was really cool.

And then we went back the next day and he kind of just showed up to the gym.

He was like, Jarvis.

I want to work with you.

And we're like, all right, let's get back in there.

Did he land a hit on him?

I think, no, he landed.

Yeah.

So Mayweather got a slight bit of respect for Jarvis, actually, because he landed a hit on him, and most people don't.

Like a little hit.

Not like he clapped him, you you know what I'm saying, but like a little touch, which was which is cool.

It's Mayweather, man.

Like, you don't touch Floyd, like, it's cool.

Yeah, that's unheard of.

Yeah, but no, but man, it's a real experience, you know, training in the gym.

The guys there are just super cool, super down-to-earth.

And it's really

the best place to be, man.

I love boxing gyms now.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, it seems to have really picked up.

I mean, there's a lot of people, yeah, you know, grabbing the gloves, getting in the ring.

Absolutely.

What do you want to get out of boxing?

I want to get that's a great question.

First of all foremost is my fitness, right?

So like I'm 27 and I've spent a lot of my life partying.

I lived in Los Angeles for five years.

So the fitness aspect to it, number one, is just like the best thing.

Every day I feel great boxing, waking up, working out, running with all the guys, the kind of team, the team spirit that it brings to when you're all like, you know, you can go keep running.

I love that.

And then obviously down the line, a boxing fight.

I've seen kind of like the glory, you know, your moment like Jarvis has had before.

He's had two now.

And, you know, he says, he's like, I can't wait for you guys to have your moment as well.

And, you know, it's just kind of like Muhammad Ali said, you know, you're all working towards like the,

that kind of like end goal, um,

which I guess hopefully is raising your hand up in that ring and celebrating a victory.

So that would be, that would be really cool.

Before boxing, you were doing a lot of Fortnite content.

Yeah.

Why do you think Fortnite fell off?

Oh, mate.

I don't think Fortnite Epic Games was ready.

ready oh because they banned Jarvis actually

oh no I'm just joking but I don't think they were ready for the skill gap yeah you know what I'm saying like so when the game first came out there was uh everyone was kind of on the same level and before you knew it you would go into a game and you don't go past the first 50 people like the last the last game wrecked yeah you know

so they they also changed the game um they kept changing it every season it was like a different whole game you know what i'm saying so it's it's sustainable for a certain amount of time you know not everyone's going to stay interested.

And obviously, it's entertainment.

Not everything lasts forever.

It had, I think, a really good run.

It did.

Yeah, I don't think there has been a game as big as Fortnite since Fortnite.

Maybe I'm mistaken.

Maybe there's like every 10-year-old type game.

Was Call of Duty as big or no?

Yeah, but

that's been there.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, COD's been there.

Fortnite came out.

It was like,

went straight to the top.

You got Drake streaming it.

You've got all those guys on the game, which you really don't see nowadays too much.

Just trying to think i'm not misspeaking but yeah no yeah i haven't really seen it since that ninja drake stream

i know they've got some really cool stuff in fortnite now they they made it kind of like roblox where you can literally create your own game in fortnite so you can you can kind of make like call of duty in fortnite and like campaign missions in fortnite wow yeah like it's opened the creativity to a whole nother level um it's kind of like uh unreal editor yeah

like epic games owns unreal editors so i i do see longevity in it now especially for the the core fan base it has interesting and what about esports as a whole because a lot of these clans aren't actually profitable yeah mate esports that's a scary one I obviously you know I

love esports I really hope it has all the success in the world right but I do have seen obviously organizations struggling all of them a lot of them are you know really really struggling I think the model

From what I've seen on tweets, right, the model of like invest the money in, spend ridiculous amount of money there, and just kind of like keep funneling it into this black hole has kind of been like how things operate can't can't be sustainable can't work anymore especially as not many investors want to put money in so

uh the the model kind of has to change um

it's that's a big question man it's tough and obviously there's there's you know certain teams have certainly a different different um situation scenarios going on but i do wish the best for them all seriously like i really do hope all esports teams succeed yeah i feel like if you're not winning the championships championships, the big prizes, it's hard to make money.

Yeah, oh, exactly.

Yeah.

And even when the prize money comes in, the prize money is like nothing in comparison to what it costs to run these teams.

Like the pros are on like crazy salaries, which they deserve, right?

But then at the same time, like, how does the company, for example, like 100 Thieves, FaZe, stay profitable?

You know, it's like tough, very tough.

You know, it's interesting for me because in most industries that have some sort of, you know, economic gap in that situation, it's the manufacturers that aren't picking up the bill to put out a lot of the money for for the winnings, right?

In this situation, you know, the company that made Fortnite, made Call of Duty, isn't putting up the dollars for these players to play professionally.

What do video game manufacturers need to do to support the esports industry better?

Very good.

Yeah.

So I think...

What Epic Games did at the start of Fortnite, you know, when it was really big with the Fortnite creator code, was a good step in the right direction, you know, kind of empowering their creators by sharing revenue.

You know, that can definitely help if you have, obviously, like a following, people willing to like support your creator code and stuff.

Yeah.

And kind of exploring more ways that

they could do that.

It's a very,

it's a tough one because obviously pros, like in an organization, it's kind of like a football team.

You know, they're cycled in and out.

They're signed in and out.

So

for a company as big as Epic Games to worry about just like an individual person is, again, like a...

It's kind of like a micro thing or like they're thinking macro.

The support credit code was a really good step in the right direction.

I know Call of Duty have it now.

I don't know if everybody has access to that, but kind of all games like Rocket League, kind of any way to share revenue on skins, I think, in-game for their pros is very good.

Yeah.

How much were people making off those creator codes?

Yeah.

I mean, I heard that there was someone making, I mean, people were making houses a day easily.

What?

Clearly.

A day?

Yeah, like $250,000 a day.

Easy.

There was a period, I think it was like 2019, 2020.

Anybody that was in Fortnite at this time will know they re-released the soccer skin, like the most popular skin in the game.

And at the same time, they sent an email to all their creators saying, you're going to get like 4x more revenue for the next two, three weeks, whatever it was.

So everyone went extremely hard.

And there was a guy,

I don't know if he said what he made, but like they were making like $250,000, $500,000 a day.

Wow, bro.

Stop this skin code thing, man.

So, you know,

that's insane.

That is

actually nuts.

Yeah.

I didn't know it was like that because they were getting half the revenue, right?

No, I think it was 5%.

Oh, only 5%?

Yeah.

Oh, so think of it.

Wow.

Yeah, and then they took it up to, I think, to 20%.

Maybe I have to check those numbers, but I know they increased it a bit for a short period of time, which like shut up everyone's revenue then.

So is Fortnite the biggest video game by far in terms of value?

Has it surpassed Call of Duty?

I mean, I don't think in revenue.

Yeah, in revenue, you definitely could have.

I know, like Minecraft, when you look at like a trend on Google, Google trends, for example, like popularity, Minecraft is just consistently always going like that.

You've got Fortnite, which is like this.

Roller Coaster, you've got Call of Duty, which is like this and stuff.

So it really does depend.

Yeah, that's a tough one.

Yeah, Minecraft's been around, man.

I thought it would fall off by now.

Mate, same.

You have to look at it.

Like, Minecraft is like, you know, when we were kids, we were playing with Legos, right?

We were building physical Lego blocks.

But nowadays, that's just not a thing.

Kids build their logo blocks in minecraft in the game it's currently i didn't even think about it's not the same creative approach when you're a young kid like you know those those sort of fundamental skills that you you do get in a way from playing the game right and even going further back i'm 33 i remember playing with pixelated 8-bit 16-bit games you know original game boy like seeing the blocks in minecraft it does something to i think to trigger the nostalgia in us for what we've seen previously yeah absolutely i didn't think about that that's cool yeah definitely i played game boy too i'm not that young really yeah how old are you i'm 26.

oh no see i'm 27.

yeah six i didn't have the first one with the batteries but i had the one after yeah i had the advance yeah

yeah the flip-up one so you had the game boy you'd have the game boy color not the color i never had that yeah i had the game i'm 33 so i had the game boy yeah my brothers have that one that's sick that's sick no i'm jealous they're they're really i mean they're worth a lot of money nowadays i've heard if you have those original skilled games yeah they're they're worth something so you were an integral part of phase clan obviously yeah you were there for 10 years yeah almost 10 years yeah yeah you got the ins and outs of the company yeah why do you think they're struggling so hard right now yeah man uh you know it's a sad story.

I love face.

You know, I've literally have it tattooed on my body.

All the guys in there I love, man.

And I truly hope, truly to my heart, to the bottom of my core, that it can succeed.

But

no, I think it's unfair to pinpoint it on like one specific thing.

This is the reason why it's failing.

But, you know, it's a combination of a lot of stuff.

Poor leadership definitely is a main cause of it.

People not kind of understanding the culture, right?

Like

you've got people running the company that

don't think that content is the utmost priority when

like what is like and you know i she made a video about this but like you know mr beast even kind of echoed what i'm saying right now on twitter when the whole phase drama was going on a few months ago of tico and phase reign

um but but you know they you've got these these guys in there that don't see posting like they they look at tick tock and they're like that's for 12 year olds it's like no that's that's the most important thing like you need to be posting but you need to be creatively thinking thinking of insane TikToks because that is your brand.

Your brand is content.

Your sponsorship revenue comes from views.

You know, it's like

you need, like, content is the number one thing.

When I was there, obviously, I was heading up their content on FaZePan.

It was going really well.

We were doing their TikToks as well, going great.

And I know they've had other people step in afterwards to try and, you know, keep that, to keep that up.

But, you know, it's again, it's a really hard, like, you can't just pinpoint it on one thing.

Faze Rain has spoken on it really well.

He said a lot of good things and he's obviously a founder right he's been there for a long time but

but yeah just not not focusing on content these guys also take like you know they see it as you know they're

i can i swear like i'm the you know i'm saying like i'm the top dog i deserve 10 million dollars a year whatever it is just throwing a number out there it's not a real number but you know you've got these guys these corporate guys sucking up money and they just don't see the value in spending money in the right places like you know they would rather take a salary versus spending a million dollars on some content what you can do with a million dollars on content is mind-blowing look mr beast already proved this exactly yeah look what he look at what he he's proven um

so you know again i think that does come down to leadership as well so it's just it's a big mixture of things i i do hope that the guys there that are still working on trying to save the brand can kind of take it back and and propel it back to where it deserves to be you know it's it's definitely a tough one and obviously after you know jarvis and i and a part of it we were the face of the brand for years right so it's literally the face has just got

yeah you were driving the most views of the whole clan right yeah yeah absolutely and then the faces just get removed um they put new faces on doesn't work maybe it works with some you know it's a

it's a tough one man yeah it's hard it's hard to like pinpoint it on one thing but so if you were running the show what would be the first thing that you do tomorrow

Fire so many people.

I mean, straight up.

Do you want to name the people that you want to fire?

I don't know if I legally should.

Yeah, well, should I?

But yeah, no, definitely clear out a load of people and then just realign the focus to content.

Like, there needs to be really good content being posted every day.

Like, look at what Mr.

Beast achieves through his TikTok brand, through his YouTube brand, which are, you know, still him, but it's like different content.

Realign the focuses.

You know, I see the videos they post.

I'm like.

what are you doing?

Yeah.

But it's just, it's what it is, man.

You know,

I went back to the team a year ago and i was like yo guys like i sat them all down i was like i really want to help you i really want to i you know

why is what is this tick tock here like who made this like is who's responsible for this because it's horrible and and these guys kind of said to me like yo frazier so you know we've been um

we've been number one in this race for so long and this is kind of that like you know boomer

not understanding thing coming out of these guys these old dudes sitting around a table with me and my brother brother.

Like, yeah, Fraser, you know, we've been in first place for so long.

What we're going to have to do is kind of take a step back and come the racetrack.

You know, we want to be the racetrack everyone's racing on.

And I was like, what?

What does that even mean?

Like,

I'm not some investor you're trying to get money from.

Like, bro, I'm just trying to come and make content.

Like, it's just selling me like some weird thing right here.

I don't get what you're saying.

And I think they're just, yeah, they're clueless, unfortunately.

Some of them, not all of them, there are some really good people in FaZe fans, some really good friends on the corporate side as well.

Obviously, the talent I love, but yeah, these guys just don't know what's going on, man.

But you got Norden and Tico in there, which I know are advocates for the right thing, and I do hope can pull some good strings and make stuff happen.

So are their views down a lot, basically, from when you were content?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, it's like day and night.

Like,

FaZe and I, though, went hand in hand, right?

Like, so when I was in FaZe, I also had more views.

so did phase and now for a period mine were definitely down phases were down phases stayed down i i do shorts and stuff now which yeah you know my views are more than they've ever been which is really really cool um

but yeah no since we've left the the views obviously plummeted like absolutely and wow

anybody can see that like you can literally just go and look yeah yeah it's I want to dive into your shorts because you're getting, like you said, more views than ever.

How do you come up with these videos ideas?

You're on my feed like every day.

Oh, really?

Yeah, no um

i mean yeah yeah years of doing this uh first of all you know just like kind of being in that like constant creative mind like i i'll be somewhere i'm like that's a short like you know what i'm saying like that's a short like constantly being in that mindset of like trying to think of something is is always there living with my team like i literally live with jarvis nikon um like writer editor everybody like that so we're always constantly like just in that creative mindset um as well as collectively coming together like once a week and really really like squeezing our brains trying to think of stuff

and nowadays you do have stuff like chat gbt which is really cool because you could like i just made this viral video pouring slime over my head and i want to think of something else viral i can pour over my head don't get me wrong we can sit there and think of stuff easily but i can get it in like five seconds i saw that slime one actually yeah yeah yeah right so it's cool yeah i uh chat gbt does help think of like variations of a viral idea but

I do like using data to get viral ideas too.

Like YouTube, internet nowadays has tons of data.

There's millions of programs and third-party apps out there you can pay some money for, and it can kind of scrape YouTube, what's the top performing videos for this month, and like just go off like a data perspective.

Like if you really can't think of an idea, go and look at what's doing well and kind of like...

remix it make your own version of it see if it works you know so you're a numbers guy yeah we love data yeah like youtube is great for analytics like the creator studio and what YouTube offer you in the back end is is insane and you can work with you know I've hired some consultants before like Daryl Eaves I've had a few individual consultancies with him.

He's Mr.

Beast

or was is Mr.

Beast strategist So

even being on a phone with him for like a few hours I'm like

like didn't know that and he just dropped like 10 ideas, you know So it's really really cool there He's a guy that's responsible for thinking up crazy ideas that we've all watched.

I probably don't want to say that like what the ideas are, what the videos were, but he thought of a lot of really viral ideas.

Wow.

Sick, sick guy.

What is your biggest worry about being a content creator and having your face and your voice so out there publicly?

Number one is safety.

Safety for sure, safety, you know, my...

like physically, like my addresses, my,

you know, stuff like that.

I've obviously had to deal with my whole life.

Like

Jarvis one time got hacked, his youtube got hacked like money stuff got hacked you know what i'm saying so like that that first of all and you know you've seen um

you've seen you know it's really sad stories about like pnb rock right yeah he posts a story up and somebody that i think wants something he has doesn't like him

i shot him it wasn't even him though it was his girl right yeah right something like that yeah like it's crazy so like you know after that happened i was like whoa like jarvis like should we just not post stories when we're here because we used to just oh i'm here here right now.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's like, wait a sec, like, is this dangerous?

Seriously, yeah, it's crazy to think about, and especially in America, right?

Because I'm from London, where there isn't, you know, people don't carry weapons like that.

Out here, it's, it's, it's a lot different.

So

safety for me is something I, I always think about.

I don't walk around with security and stuff.

We do have a very secure house and everything.

Yeah.

Have you been swatted yet?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

So swatting is a thing that I dealt.

I used to live with RiceGum and banks for like three, four, five years.

So that was at their peak.

So swatting became such a normal thing to me that

I was working with RiceGum a lot, like filming his videos and everything.

Yeah.

And I'll never forget it was so normal to us that we're just in his room and there's police searching his room and they're like, you know, we've been here a million times.

We're just doing the SWAT.

We have to check the rooms by law.

I'm like, all right, we'll just move here.

And

we're just filming it.

That's how normal it was.

Oh, my God.

It's crazy.

Because we used to live in this glass house.

Sometimes they would come with a helicopter and light it up with this huge bright

white light.

Put snipers on the hill and stuff.

Tell us to come out with our hands up.

There's snipers?

Bro, we've done crazy.

I've woken up to like shotguns in my face.

Yo.

It's crazy.

No, yeah.

That's obviously, again, goes back to the safety thing.

It's like, geez, like, you know, you've seen the stories of people online.

Dying from getting swatted like and the people that do it going to jail.

Yeah.

Rightfully so.

Yeah.

Can we hear the shotgun in the face story?

Yeah.

uh what

i i do i could send you some a video if you want to play on the screen afterwards um but i i was with alyssa banks a couple of my friends from the uk we were living um in the in the clout house at the time and it was just a normal a normal swatting but it was a just a swatting we woke up in the morning i think it was a pretty severe one because they all came with loaded guns.

So I was woken up by the group chat like, yo, everybody needs to come down to the garage with your hands up.

I'm like, yo, and I was kind of hungover as well.

I was like, am I tripping?

So

I like open the garage door, kind of forget the hands-up thing.

And this guy's like, put your hands in.

I'm like, oh, my God.

Put my hands up.

These guys like pat me all down, make sure I'm good.

The calls that

the kids would call the SWATs in for were like.

the crazy things, you know, like this guy is a hostage in his house.

This guy has 10 million guns.

He's got a new cup there.

So they're obviously thinking the worst, right?

They're doing their jobs as as they should be doing yeah they should be should be doing that um but you know things can happen and what what if i came out the door and dropped my hand accidentally this guy's gonna blow my head off or something crazy but yeah no it's crazy and that's just one of many stories you know we've we've had like i said snipers on the on the hillside before and crazy crazy you literally saw their laser on your body not on our bodies but they were they're on the ground you can see the lasers for sure that's insane that's crazy did they catch the kids that swatted you guys

It's a good question.

I don't know.

I really don't know.

The thing is, I think nowadays, a lot of these kids can be really good, obviously, at being anonymous and everything.

You know, you've got, I don't know much about it, but like VPN, whatever, right?

So, um, I know there's like public news stories of kids getting caught, but I don't know if they specifically got the ones that did it to us.

Yeah, which, yeah, that's crazy.

What about sim hacking?

Have you been sim hacked?

No, yeah, no, that was.

Uh, I

prevent that, hopefully.

I don't know, But no, I haven't.

Yeah, literally, knock on 10.

No, but yeah, no, I haven't been sim hacked.

Jarvis recently had some weird hack where they like, it was like a virus on his computer and that like

he had

like a weird crypto stream put on his YouTube, which is a scam.

Like, you know, like

buy Bitcoin here.

Buy Pepe.

Oh, trainer, yeah.

Yeah, literally, yeah.

But Jarvis has been hacked really badly.

I, fortunately enough, haven't been.

But I think so I've been around for a while.

You know, I do take security measures, you know, like cybersecurity measures.

I have a couple friends that kind of did cybersecurity-ish type things that have helped me set up stuff for it.

I did the same thing.

I literally hired someone that was cybersecurity.

Exactly.

Yeah, it's so scary.

Especially because, I mean, I know you do crypto and everything.

So I'd be tripping.

I mean, you hear the horror stories of crypto.

My wallet got drained.

Oh, my God.

I lost all my crypto.

You signed something accidentally or whatever they're doing like yeah yeah you've got to like keep that in a bank nowadays surely right like put your i don't like banks oh no i mean like a safety safety oh like a hard wallet yeah deposit ledgers yeah they have ledgers basically ledges a cold wallet yeah cold wallet yep yep nice speaking of crypto do you see it making a comeback

i'm not gonna lie since my old crypto situation i you know i kind of definitely took a huge step back you know i don't i'm not involved in crypto like that anymore not like i really was but i mean yeah so like I used to have a bit of crypto.

Obviously, I gave it all to the to the people that had lost stuff.

Yeah.

Well, I was involved in, right?

So I gave all my crypto basically away.

So, you know,

plus everything, all the drama, like, I just don't have an interest, you know.

Yeah.

Like a bad taste in your mouth.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, like, I was speaking to you.

I was like, I, I still do like.

the technology in Bitcoin, the technology in Ethereum.

I think it's really cool, especially with the way generally the world could be going.

You know, this bank collapsed the other day, whatever's going on.

So, so I like the technology, what it can achieve in the future.

But, but yeah, generally,

I don't stay in crypto.

I kind of kept whatever I had then.

I just held that, and that's, that's really cool.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

Do you still talk to Sam Pepper at all or not?

No.

I hate that.

No, bro.

I don't like Sam Pepper.

You know, like.

Nobody likes nobody likes him, unfortunately.

And it is a sad thing because he doesn't have any any friends.

We were his, you know, he had a great group of real friends out here that he truly betrayed.

And he doesn't, it's sad because he doesn't have any friends, man.

Like, I think about that sometimes.

That's crazy.

But no, we don't talk to Sam.

Jarvis was in Dubai once, and Sam happened to be in the same hotel as Jarvis.

I wasn't in Dubai.

And he goes up to Jarvis and he was like, yo, what's up, buddy?

What's up, man?

And Jarvis is looking at him like, bro, are you tripping?

Like, are you actually tripping and he was with his girlfriend hannah um who i still love like she's a great girl and um jarvis said he could see how upset hannah was and that made that made me upset because you know someone else get in in the crossfire of just our uh

our beef whatever whatever that is just it sucks you know the jarvis for hannah but yeah no that that guy no never never have never i have no intention of ever speaking to him ever again it's not worth losing good friends over money no no no it's definitely not.

And at the end of the day, like,

what, like, what you

all we have is our family and friends, right?

Like, that's why I'm very big on family, you know.

So, like, when I, when I go home and like, and I sit down, I'm like, wow, this is really all you need.

You know, imagine not having this.

Yeah, imagine having millions of dollars, but not this.

No, thank you.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, me personally, I would never want that.

So, you'd rather have good friends and family and be broke than to have millions but be alone?

Any day of any day.

Any day.

I would rather work a nine-to-five normal job,

leave my job and go meet up with my good best friends, go home to my mum and dad, you know, my family, see my brothers, see my girlfriend.

I couldn't imagine living a life where you just don't have like that, you know, that core group of people.

I agree.

I've lived a lonely life like in college when I was focused on the business.

Absolutely.

And I was depressed.

Yeah, exactly.

You know what I'm saying?

I've been in your shoes.

I've been, you know, that's kind of why I feel like

I can

say that because, you know, when I was, when I moved to america as well it was like you know oh let's work let's work let's work go home no no no all that all that stuff and um you know as i got older i definitely realized that you know this isn't what this isn't what you need and obviously after everything that happened to me spent a year at home and i was like wow like i needed this like i i needed to just be grounded again yeah it's really good so if you could fight anyone in the world who would it be in a boxing man in a boxing man oh

it's his first fight too yeah i mean oh mate, who would I who would I fight?

You got to start off on a win, yeah, exactly.

Because you can't start off 0-1.

I mean,

yeah, I was meant to fight this guy called King Kenny.

I was injured, had a lot of stuff going on, obviously, back then.

Um, I'd definitely like to beat him.

He, you know, I definitely can beat him.

Okay, uh, swarms would be a cool fight.

He's about to fight Deji this weekend.

Okay, yeah, that would be another cool fight if you guys know who that is.

Do you think you could beat Deji right now

right now?

don't know because he's like what one and four or something yeah yeah exactly but I know he trains up let's just see how he goes this weekend obviously anybody I go in the ring with I'm gonna beat right that's my mental like I'm gonna win but I'm I'm not gonna lie to myself and pretend my boxing skills are on a level that they're not you know I'm saying yeah uh I'm training really hard my coach Otis um does say you just got to take your time, stay relaxed.

My relaxation is going to come from within.

I'm a very,

I can be tight, I can be up like that, and I'm like this.

So, just staying loose, you got like what do they say, you got be water, sting like a butterfly, whatever they're trying to do.

Oh, Bruce Lee, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So, uh, so working all of that, but uh, but yeah, man, no, that would have you boxed, Charlie, I have uh in high school and college, not anywhere at the level that you know, the YouTube, a lot of YouTube stars are doing it nowadays, yeah, but I'm fascinated with it, right?

Because, like, when I was doing it, everyone was nuts about the UFC,

and now it seems to be a slowly tipping of the scales back to boxing being the heavy promotion.

I mean, you're seeing Connor wants to box, Nate Diaz is about to box.

And I think everybody finally realized you're going to make a lot more money in boxing than UFC fighting.

And a lot of the UFC's valuation comes from the labor laws that they're able to put on their fighters.

And that's where they get that.

I think they got like a two or three billion dollar valuation recently as UFC.

And then you've got John Jones, right, potentially the greatest fighter in the history of mankind, making like 300K a year, which is great money.

But I read at one point during the height of his nonsense when he first won the belt, he was making less than his brother, who was like a backup defensive lineman for the New England Patriots.

Wow.

So I want to see the UFC fighters get paid properly.

And until that happens, I love seeing boxing take off more.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, I know Jake Paul's a big advocate for, you know, UFC fighter pay.

And I definitely agree.

UFC fighter pay should be way higher than that.

I did not know it was that.

Don't get 300 grand is a lot of money, but that's crazy.

Yeah.

Really?

Why are the boxing payouts so much higher?

Well, they're all so they're all negotiated independently.

Whereas, like, you've got, you know, like Don King promotions, or I think Oscar De La Hoyas is Golden Boy promotions and stuff like that.

So every time a major boxing match goes down, right, two parties come to the table and they divvy up the pie, right?

You've got the pay-per-view money coming in.

You've got the ticket from, you know, Wembley or wherever you're going to have it.

And all that stuff is divided amongst everybody.

In the UFC, the UFC owns the arena.

The UFC owns the pay-per-view.

The UFC owns the, you know, every, all the rights to promote anything.

If you want to sell merchandise, the UFC owns that.

Wow.

Right.

So they control everything.

They got a 360 deal.

They've got a 360 deal.

So boxing, it's always like, you show up.

If you've got a good negotiator, you're going to get yourself a piece of the pie.

In the UFC, it's if you want a chance, you're going to take what we give you.

And if you don't like it, there's Bellator.

Interesting.

Wow.

I have no idea idea it was that crazy do ufc fighters get a percent of the ppv

i think they have to negotiate it i believe that most do not i believe the top tier you know your your cormiers your mcgregors your john jones now uh they do i'm not even sure that like you know your nate and nick diaz's of the world get a share of the pay-per-view i would have to look into it i think they pre-negotiated ahead of time wow but i know a lot's been happening with the ufc and pay so it's constantly changing right now but if they don't pick it up, they're going to, I mean, they literally just lost Conor McGregor to boxing.

He's switched over?

I mean, pretty much.

I mean, he's fought a couple of times since he made the switch, but since he fought Mayweather, like, he hasn't been the same UFC fighter.

Absolutely.

His 100% focus has never been on UFC since he got that boxing money.

Yeah, he felt that payday.

He got that bag.

Yeah, that is crazy.

I mean, it's nice how big boxing is getting.

Like, you can literally go and Google trends and see, like,

it's like the biggest it's ever been, ever.

Yeah.

You can make millions off it.

Yep.

Yeah, absolutely.

That's correct.

You got Jake Paul.

What did did he make, like 30 million or something, yeah, from that from that Tommy Fury fight?

I think that's what just Jake Paul made.

Holy crap, and I think the boxers owe a lot to the content creators right now, a lot of the YouTube stars that are getting into it, because they brought the mainstream back to boxing.

Yeah, right.

These fights were already going on, right?

I went to the Wilder Fury fight, all that stuff.

But, you know, like seeing Alex Wasabi win that YouTube tournament that happened a couple of years ago, or like, you know, seeing Logan and Jake get in fights with all these famous people.

That's what's making all these people who have been addicted to social media interested in boxing again so absolutely i think boxing owes a lot to the content creators that are bringing the mainstream back to boxing yeah no i do i i think i did see mike tyson talk about that as well which is really cool wow no it's it's super inspiring actually on that topic like there's a there's a guy that in london like a fan of jarvis and i used to make videos and jarvis inspired this kid to start boxing and now he's fighting for like a championship he's like 13 years old what you know what i'm saying like so all these guys that have been fans of us are actually getting into a healthy sport, boxing, you know, very masculine, good thing, I believe, for someone's life, you know.

So it's super cool, super inspiring, actually.

You guys can get your own little army going soon.

Yeah, literally, boxing.

Is it true boxers are not allowed to have sex before their fight?

No, yeah, you can't.

Jarvis was celibate for I don't know how long exactly for, but weeks.

Wow.

Month to a week.

Yeah, there's like a there's like a time where you stop that you like peak your testosterone.

Um, and oh, yeah, Jarvis, Jarvis right before his last fight stopped.

And then afterwards, obviously.

But no, you know, but seriously, that is a real thing.

That is a real thing.

Yeah, I haven't spoken to my girlfriend yet about that.

Oh, you might have to let her know.

Hitaka's coming.

She's chilling.

She's like, Hitaka.

Speaking of your girlfriend.

She does do OnlyFans.

Yeah, she does.

She does.

Were you, did you know that going into the relationship, or was it like a surprise?

No, no, I did know.

So mine and Charlotte's relationship, I've known her for six years, right?

We dated for three years, broke up for two years, and then got back together roughly like a year-ish ago.

She started doing OnlyFans right before I got back with her.

But, you know, I'm all for it.

You know, I absolutely love it.

I think, you know, if

all these girls nowadays that, you know, weren't able to make that money before can go online and kind of basically do what they were doing on Instagram, maybe a bit more,

and make an insane, healthy living from it.

I'm all for that, you know?

I actually do a lot of work with Charlotte and other people as well and kind of like empowering their content, uplifting them on social media, kind of helping them get views and stuff that convert

to OnlyFans and

really helping them grow their brands and everything.

So

I'm all for it.

I think it's honestly great.

There is downsides to the...

who's looking at it, right?

You know, like what age is the person looking at it.

But I know OnlyFans specifically make sure you submit an ID

to go on the website.

So that gives you some sort of comfortability because you don't want to ever think you're pushing something to

the wrong people.

That's just yeah.

Oh, I didn't know OnlyFans made you do that.

Interesting.

Yeah, yeah, no, because I did, I remember asking Charlotte, I was like, so wait, before we get into this, like,

I don't want anybody under the age of 18 to even be able to see this.

Like, that's just a bit messed up.

So, no, she's like, oh, no, no, Fraser, look, you submit your ID.

So that was really cool.

And, um, interesting.

Yeah, so I can't basically do what I did with FaZe and everything, but now for just like individual people, me and my team help make like lots of content for these guys, and it goes really well for them.

I actually really enjoy it.

I know only fans agencies that make millions, bro.

Yeah.

Yeah, bro.

There's so many nowadays that make so much money, right?

Like

I've been on calls with these guys.

I'm like, yo, like.

It's insane.

And they only need a few clients.

Like, Lexi's crushing it.

Yep.

Who's Lexi, sorry?

Lexi Pantera.

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's his best friend.

Oh, nice.

I've heard of her.

That's awesome.

She's awesome.

She's killing it.

And she's rerouting a lot of money back into her music career.

No way.

And it's good to just see like

people be able to fund their dreams.

Exactly, man.

Exactly.

Yeah, I'm all for it.

And mate, like, if someone's willing to pay for it, why not do it?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, someone's there going to buy it.

They're not going to buy yours.

They're going to buy hers.

So is there a fine line for your girlfriend where you draw it and you're like, I don't want you doing that type of content?

Or is there no limit?

See, at the start, honestly,

it definitely is something I...

I was eased into, right?

Like, for sure.

I was eased into it.

But the more I see Charlotte love doing it, right?

I never want to like the same way i love doing whatever i love doing like my boxing whatever like you know she really does enjoy it she loves it you know she she's a gorgeous girl she has a beautiful body and she you know they love showing it off um

when it comes to limits you know i've spoken to her as well i was like so you know before i got too far into i was like so what are your limits like what are you gonna do what you're gonna not do and we kind of you know i i agreed on her comfortability level i was like all right that's that's cool because you know at the end of the day you really do have to think long term as well like am i happy with my kids seeing this in 20 years?

Am I happy with my grandkids seeing this?

You know, are my kids going to get harassed?

You know what I'm saying?

Like, all that, all that stuff that could potentially come with it.

So, to be on like a good mutual term with, you know, whoever you're doing it with is great.

But, no, generally, I'm very comfortable.

And,

you know, if she wanted to do more, I would support that.

You know, it's, it's, at the end of the day, it's her decision.

You know, I can either be there for it or not.

She can do what she wants to do.

You know, yeah.

Because I know some girls are doing like the the dick pic ratings and stuff oh yeah yeah yeah no she she does that she does that

what is that what is the dick pic yeah bro i saw how

so the dick pics that they get they guys send their dick they pay for all to send it okay and then they get a rating and then she literally rates it okay yeah so like oh don't get me wrong i was

i i have seen her do it a few times i'm like

you know what i'm saying but at the end of the day you know it's just

yeah that's i don't know she likes it man i guess if you're gonna get those messages anyways, exactly, right?

They get it on Instagram, and you're going to fill the inbox no matter what.

Yeah, I mean, I've seen her Instagram messages, and I'm like, yo, Jesus, don't want to see that, right?

Yeah, it's horrible.

Dude, I got one on Instagram the other day.

A dick pic.

Yeah, I was like, are you serious?

Like, right.

Yeah.

It was some crazy ex-girlfriend, someone I follow.

She sent a dick pic of them because I follow him.

Oh, my God.

I was like, you serious?

That's crazy.

If anyone's out there, please don't send us dick pics.

Please, no.

That's all we ask.

Please.

Yeah, unsolicited dick pics are not the move, man.

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not at all.

Definitely not.

Frasier, it's been a blast, man.

Any lots of thank you guys having me on.

Yeah, any closing thoughts, words of wisdom?

All right, man.

Secure your cybersecurity.

Yeah, stay secure.

Stay safe.

Yes.

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