Frankie LaPenna: Why YouTube Shorts Don’t Pay & The Stunts That Cost Him Everything | DSH #1527

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Bothering people.

It's kind of of like doing my own thing and getting beat up here or there.

And people like seeing other people in pain.

Not good for me.

Yeah, I got denied disability insurance

four times and still don't have any.

Are you serious because of that video?

Just because they'll do like one Google search and then see that I'm almost getting hurt in every video.

No way.

Okay, guys, got Frankie here, the biggest ass on the internet.

Let's go.

Yeah, well, Gracie Bond actually has got me beat by a mile.

If you know who that is, no, I don't.

You should look.

I'll have to throw up a side-by-side.

But is it fake, though?

Did she get a surgery for it?

There's a lot of controversy.

I do not know.

I saw a video of her claiming to be fully natural.

Okay.

I will let you look and come to your own conclusion.

So I think we have to have categories for this.

There has to be a natural category and then

yeah.

I mean, the amount of natty or nots on people on the internet is endless.

It's a very hotly discussed topic on, I mean, bodybuilders or people with big butts.

Wow, I had a whole guest on Greg Duchet and the whole.

And the whole episode was natty or not.

Yeah, he's excellent at rage baiting and getting people fired up.

Yeah, no, he's solid.

Have there been natty or not videos on you made?

I'm trying to think.

I made one on myself that performed really well.

No, I don't think

I'm not really a fitness influencer.

Oh, God.

They haven't came after me yet.

Yeah.

I mean, if Greg did one, it'd be,

it would, it would be over before it even began.

Yeah.

We've got to get you on Greg's next video, man.

Yeah.

Well,

he doesn't do podcasts, does he?

He's full of videos on them, yeah.

Full-length YouTube videos, right?

Yeah.

That's a tough space to be in.

Oh, my God.

Don't get me started on long-form views.

I just saw your recent video.

It's like I deleted all my videos.

Yes.

Yes.

Oh my gosh.

The YouTube shorts audience versus the full-length YouTube audience, as you're probably well aware, is tremendously different.

Bro, I struggle with the same thing.

Like my full-length podcast will get a couple thousand views, but my shorts will get millions.

Why is that?

Why is it so hard to get?

Are we just not interesting enough?

I don't know.

I feel like the podcasts are pretty interesting, but I'm obviously biased.

I'm the one.

It's so oversaturated.

There's so many.

How do you compete?

Yeah.

No, there's literally tens of millions, I believe, at this point.

You got all the brain rot viewers, and then you got the full-length viewers, and it's just

getting to those full-length viewers through short-form videos does not seem to be possible in my scenario.

Doesn't work.

I've even tried running paid ads on the shorts.

I've paid ads on the long.

It doesn't really convert.

Yeah, it's

I'll

one day, hopefully we'll figure it out, but for now we'll rage me.

It sucks out because the long form is where the money's at.

Oh my God.

Oh, I was telling, this is a fun statistic.

My total YouTube shorts revenue of all time, I forget the total channel views.

It's like $7 or $8 billion.

Total lifetime YouTube shorts is $260,000 from 7 or 8 billion views.

Damn.

Yeah.

What's that CPM average come out to?

I don't know.

I don't want to know.

Yeah, that's scary.

It's something bad.

I mean, $260,000 is a lot of money, but that's four years and that's billions of views.

So it's like

you got to get a trillion views to make substantial money on YouTube shorts.

And out of that 260, you got to pay editors, you got to pay your targets.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, the annual cost that it is required to run the video business that I do is way, way more than that.

You're probably losing money at that point.

Oh, yeah.

We're losing money

on any trip we go on because, I mean, we make, you know, shorts post it, cross-post it to the platforms.

It's not generating.

Daniel Mack just did a really good video.

I think he uploaded it yesterday explaining his his top earning shorts videos on each platform.

It's really fascinating.

You should probably plug that.

I got to watch that.

Was it more than yours?

What was it?

He did a video with JoJo Siwa or whatever that Snapchat was two minutes and it made 120 grand.

What?

Yeah.

I was

I was shocked.

But he was explaining his TikTok and his YouTube shorts top earners and they were bad.

So Snapchat's in the move then, huh?

Yes.

Well, we've been trying to figure that out, too.

It's,

it's, you got stories and then you got spotlight.

And

I'm trying to figure that out.

It seems to be you got to be an attractive hot girl to succeed in that space.

That's usually how it goes for every platform.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's we have an un well, I don't know if it's unfair, but gosh, the market for attractive girls would just never not be so massive.

I mean, I see it with my podcast when I have on guests that are attractive females.

Oh, yeah.

Way more views.

No matter what they're saying, too.

It doesn't even matter.

The down bad dudes just come out of the woodwork.

Attractive dudes, no one cares.

No.

No, you got to be a hot girl.

Do you know Grace Charis, the golf girl that does the

probably seen her?

We've got,

well,

I don't want to know if I want to say what.

She has really nice features.

Oh, yeah.

And she was showing us her Snapchat revenue.

And I think she just quit her OnlyFans, but she was making a sickening amount there, too.

Well, actually, she doesn't want.

She said, don't tell anyone my age.

She's young.

I've never heard of someone quitting OF to pursue social media.

Usually it's the opposite.

Yeah.

I mean, she's, regardless, a super nice girl, and she was showing us her Snapchat earnings monthly.

It was 40, 50, 60 grand a month.

Just having fun, too, just like uploading golf clips and, you know, daily vlogs, a little vacation here and there.

Raking it in.

That is raking it in.

Yeah.

Intertwining.

I got to look into Snapchat then.

You got to, yeah, you got to get hot girls around you.

I have that kind of on the podcast, I guess, but I wonder if clips do well on Snapchat or if it's mainly just photos and selfies.

Yeah, I mean, it works if you're a hot girl.

It works if you're super attractive.

You're going to have to add a hot girl to your team, man.

Oh, I've been told.

I've been told that I need to.

I just, I don't know how to incorporate because I do stunts.

Yeah.

Like, how is the girl going to be?

Is she going to do the jump too and maybe die?

No.

Yeah.

She's just loitering around while I do a stunt.

Yeah.

How do I, you know, how do I incorporate her?

Would you ever do actual stunts in movies, like be an actual stuntman?

Yeah, somebody reached out to me, and I feel like I'm more qualified than most.

Okay.

We just had on Hercules in here, and he was talking about how he had a ton of stuntmen for his movies.

Oh, hell yeah, like stunt doubles.

Stunt doubles or whatever they're called, yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know how different it would be from the stunts that I do now.

If it's more risky, or if you had to do it like 20.

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Some of your stuff look they hurt like I'm not gonna lie like I've seen the video definitely hurt I've definitely been well I've never ended up in the hospital wow never ended up in the hospital

should have gone after the nitro circus mega ramp fall i had a giant hematoma

plug a visual of that i had like a

it looked like an entire calf developed on my tibia like a baseball-sized blood clot geez and

that video was or that stunt was

could have gone very wrong yeah Yeah, you should plug the clip of, what's the rapper's name?

He went like a week before me and fell off the down ramp.

He didn't even get to the main mega ramp.

He fell off the side.

Holy crap.

It's hard to watch.

Was it worth it?

Yeah, I would do it again.

I would, I would do it again.

Now that I kind of know where I need to lean when I go off the ramp.

So you did a full.

I just went straight to my chest, my face.

Wow.

Oh, like

that.

I went like over the handlebars.

No, I made it to the landing ramp.

Just did not land right at all.

Damn.

Yeah.

It was a 44-foot gap.

Holy crap.

44-feet.

44-foot gap.

Dude, that's insane.

I had been watching the Nitro Circus guys growing up, and they were like role models of mine.

So when they reached out, I couldn't not

do the mega ramp.

They make it look easy, too.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, they do.

And I had zero instruction.

They didn't even guide you?

No.

Well,

it's hard hard to explain.

You can't really explain to somebody who's never done it where to lean, how to go off it.

And so you can't really, really blame them for that.

But

yeah, you kind of just have to, you have to try it and get a baseline of I need to lean here and do this.

Yeah.

Can't really explain to somebody who's never done it.

Makes sense.

Last time you were out here in Vegas, you were at PowerSlap, right?

Yeah,

yeah.

Gosh, I wish I could go to more of those.

The one that I didn't end up going to, of course, has Bula Bazat.

was I was super bummed out.

Yeah, they always have someone big at them.

Yeah.

You go to all of them?

I go to all the Vegas ones.

I didn't go to the Saudi Arabia one because they invited me to that one.

They're trying to get influencers to go to that one.

That flight's horrific.

I didn't see the ROI on that one.

No.

No.

I don't know if I'd be allowed in Saudi Arabia.

I'd be like, who's this weirdly built American?

Get out of our country.

Yeah.

Would you ever partake in it if the money made sense?

To go to Saudi Arabia?

No, PowerSlap.

Oh, yeah.

I was asking them can i do a slap battle with a guy oh yeah yeah oh i would do a a face what do you call it a battle a slap off a slap yeah a slap whatever it's called i would go up against one of them do you do it on the ass or the face definitely yeah the face the face i don't think they would because i would want to do like a real one during their competition when there's a crowd okay with full-blown legit I don't know how much practice you need.

I know you're not allowed to like cup your hand.

Yeah.

You close your hand, you get DQ'd.

They actually are at the stage now where they're training full-time for it.

I talk, I have on a lot of them on the show, and they're quitting their jobs to pursue slapping full-time.

How much money do they make?

So it depends.

If you're first starting out, you get 5K if you lose, 10K if you win.

Oh.

But as you build a brand, the money gets better and better.

Yeah, maybe I should sign up for one of those.

Be better than the shorts revenue.

10K ain't bad, man.

10K?

If you win on the first slap, that's not bad.

If you take three slaps, though, I don't know if that's worth 10k.

People are so desensitized to those videos, though, where if I did participate, it wouldn't even go viral.

Be like, here's Cool It's Frankie.

It's just another slap and like some crazy knockout.

Even if there is a crazy knockout, it's like there's 10 of those.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your regular videos would probably get more views than if you slap someone and knock them out.

Yeah, it would need to be like some sort of really clever edit.

We'd have to package it in some way that's different from all the others because they just shit post.

Am I allowed to curse?

Yeah.

They just shit post slaps every hour of the day

i'd love to see you and jack doherty at it though that'd be a good matchup yeah we just met jack doherty actually in fort lauderdale he's he seemed to be a nice guy he does a lot of rage baiting yeah for sure just like i i respect it if if the people are online rage baiting and they have this formula that works and people are too dumb to realize that it's like a premeditated thing on jack doherty's end then like good for him i mean neon's already admitted it's rage bait and people still hate on him.

Yeah, I mean, if the formula works, I mean, I guess you're maybe potentially making the internet more of a negative place

by rage baiting.

I guess it depends on how you rage bait.

Are you pressing people's buttons, or are you just trying to generate a response from them innocently?

I don't know.

Yeah, your form of content is not really rage baity-y, right?

I try to never like interfere or bother people, such as me in public doing something weird or or falling really hard or getting beat up.

I don't ever I never do pranks that would interfere with somebody in a in a crowd.

There's there's one clip of me falling down the hill with the drinks and I like slightly bump into some girls at the end, but they were totally all right.

And they they were uh they were super happy they got in the the video and and actually thanked me.

Oh, yeah.

Thanked me for bumping into them.

You're not doing the Apple Cash pranks where you hold your phone up and take a hundred bucks from people?

No, that that would be uh

yeah, I don't like I don't like bothering people just kind of like doing my own thing and getting beat up here or there and people like seeing other people in pain.

Yeah,

they do like they like that, which is not good for me.

When you got knocked out, they love that.

Yeah, yeah, I got denied disability insurance four times and still don't have any.

Are you serious because of bad video?

Just because they'll do like one Google search and then see that I'm almost getting hurt in every video.

No, absolutely not.

Oh, I could see it from a business point of view.

Yeah, if you actually get hurt.

Like one glance at my videos.

I mean, I guess they should just raise it.

Like, raise a hallway.

Yeah, I just wouldn't be able to afford it then.

I'd just take the injury and go broke.

Damn, man.

Michigan's at least affordable to live out, though, right?

Yeah.

I mean,

it's better than here or LA.

Oh, definitely LA.

Vegas actually isn't as expensive as you would think.

But LA, yeah, you're not getting shit on that.

Income tax or the state tax here.

None.

Oh, it's none in Vegas.

Oh, yeah, maybe I should move here.

There's not much going on in Vegas, but

getting collaborations with the other influencers isn't going to make my videos good.

You know what I mean?

Like, either the videos are good or they're not.

If I'm getting a celebrity in the video, it's not going to.

You haven't seen it impact the viewership when you do the collabs?

No.

I mean,

it would need to be, it needs to be done in like a super strategic way where they almost appear as a cameo

in it and it's not super overtly flaunting, look, I have a celebrity in my video.

Yeah, that makes me package it in like a subtle way where then they where then the comments are saying, oh my gosh, was that so-and-so?

Yeah.

You know, that's a boring conversation, how to do that.

But no, celebrities aren't going to

like make you go viral or make people like you.

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Dude, that's what people don't realize because same thing with podcasts.

Just because you have on a celebrity guest doesn't mean it's going to pull views.

No.

Yeah.

I mean, the podcast market is so oversaturated.

And so is the short form market.

You're competing against the best of the best.

I'm sure the world.

People copying you and.

Ripping you off, right?

Not really, because, I mean, I've seen a few videos of some guys dressing like me and running around, but they're not going to go to the like the 10 out of the 10 extreme level of doing a stunt that could harm them.

You know,

it's not a lot of people in that niche because they don't want to get hurt or they're scared.

How'd you come up with the butt stuff, too?

So the first whole year of my social media was like the green screen virtual call stuff.

I don't know if you saw any of those.

There's one, the, one of the fight videos is one of my more viral where I'm fighting the guy with the computer rig and the octagon

And then after that I had milked the green screen virtual call skits into oblivion where there's no more left to do I couldn't like one up myself so then I developed the big butt guy character and was kind of just

I mean it's it's it's like a recurring theme on the internet.

There's there's extremes like people will follow a super tall guy or like a super buff guy or a super fat person or like a super short person there's just they like those weird extremes yeah so then the the big butt guy character is that and then on top of that doing wild stuff that would potentially go viral if i was built regular

yeah no it does i remember the tall guy those videos were viral him in the grocery store this is my port yeah i see him all i see him all the time then there'll be like a new tall guy every every month yeah and they're just they get taller and they're crazy but no one's doing the butt guy no one's doing bigger and bigger butts no i mean

i mean you're you're tall as crap how tall are you six six six five depending on nice i'm five six yeah my license says five seven damn did you cheat did you stand on your toes when they took the photo i think they just asked you and i i might have yeah might have lied

five seven you're you're you're taller when you uh freshly wake up in the morning but i heard that yeah same with weight because i weigh myself a lot and i'll be like five pounds heavier in the the morning?

At night, I'll be better.

Yes.

Yeah, from eating and whatnot, water retention.

Yeah.

Because I was 200 pounds the other day.

I was like, shit, I haven't been that since college.

Yeah.

I mean, I hit 200 and

209 the other day.

Damn.

Two five shorter than you look.

Holy crap.

Yeah.

You like to eat, my man.

I'm fat, dude.

I need to relax.

But you get to stay thick, too.

Yeah, you got to stay thick.

Cause if you went skinny, your videos wouldn't hit the same.

Yeah, the proportions would look like one of you know cardi b or nicki minaj or um anyone on ozempic

yeah yeah maybe i no i shouldn't get on ozempic

i do no i i can't be i can't be shredded wouldn't make sense i kind of need to look thick yeah and bulked you're stuck in that jonah hill trap yeah well jonah hill is I would like to think significantly fatter than me.

Oh,

he goes skinny, fat, skinny, fat.

Like he goes through the phases, you mean?

Yeah, but then then he'll still get asked about being fat, like on interviews.

It's like he gets pissed off.

It's unfortunate.

Yeah, yeah,

I don't know much about Jonah Hill.

He's a, yeah, 21 Jump Street is a goaded movie.

That's all I want.

No, I do.

I do love, do love that.

Wolf of Wall Street, too.

His role was.

I just read that earlier today, actually.

He got paid 65 grand only for that role.

Wow.

It's one of the greatest Leo movies of all time.

Yeah, he really wanted to work with Martin Scorsese

as the the director and he's just wanting to take that small amount 65k that movie must have made hundreds of millions oh yeah but it elevated to him elevated him to like an insane new level that's true sometimes you got to play the long game right yeah that the nfl told me that they do not pay a dime to their uh their halftime show performers what they get zero dollars because it's so much clout holy crap yeah brianna zero dollars whoever was

every single one of them it's the biggest marketing opportunity ever.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Some of those guys get paid millions for shows, but I guess if they perform there, they'll get booked on other shows and make five, 10 mil or whatever after.

Yeah.

Yeah, they don't.

That'll just increase their future show price.

Yeah.

They have so much clout, so much attention.

How many video ideas do you have?

Like, what's the creative process when you're making these shorts?

Do you have just a list that you kind of brainstorm off of?

Yeah, gosh.

Four years in now, the video concepts are getting harder and harder to make because every time I do a stun or get beat up or do a feat of strength, a challenge, then it's crossed off the list.

You got to move on to the next.

So

there's not really a methodical formula to it.

We kind of make it up as we go.

I'll do some doom scrolling and try to ideate

or change an idea that I see on Instagram Reels and repackage it.

I just have a million notes that I take, mental notes, inside of my notes app with ideas.

And then we'll try to like tailor them bring them put together like a shot list and then bring it to to life nice yeah it's kind of kind of boring there's not people think it was like this master grand plan that I have with the video concepts and it's maybe in the beginning when it was like a fresh slate it was like oh I can do a thousand different things now they're they've all been done so now it's just getting crazier and crazier.

Yeah.

More and more dangerous having to expand.

That is the one issue with chasing viewership.

Yeah.

It gets crazier and crazier as people get more and more numb to content.

Yeah.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah.

I mean,

yesterday I saw like eight people die on Instagram reels and didn't even blink twice.

Dude, it's crazy.

It's bad.

There was one day where a bunch of those videos were getting through the algorithm somehow.

Yep.

Like shootouts and stabbings.

So yeah, I probably saw like 50 of those.

Yeah, and you didn't even like feel anything when you saw them, right?

Not really, to be honest.

Which is crazy.

So that's that's what I need to compete with.

People flying out of...

All my Instagram feed is these freaking people at the takeovers getting hit by the cars.

Have you seen that?

I've seen those, yeah.

It's just literally a million.

I mean, I'd love watching them.

It's almost like the people want to get hit, though.

I really want to go to a takeover, even though

there's good content there.

Yeah.

But it's obviously very illegal.

Is it legal to spectate?

No, you'll be good.

There's too many people.

They're going to arrest the drivers and the people in the car, I feel like.

Or they come after me if i document my being there

would you want to be one of the guys that gets hit by the car

i would like to try to like jump over one that's coming near like jump over the trunk speed did that and

that was was that real he was on live stream it was real when he jumped over the mclaver

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When it's going around the pit and the car is drifting, I would want to try to jump over the trunk and evade getting hit.

That's probably safer because you could land on it if you don't make the full jump.

Yeah, or if I get smoked, that's a great video.

That'd be a great video, too.

Yeah, it would be a fun time.

I've always wanted to see like an illegal street race or something wild like that in person.

There's a lot of that in Vegas.

Yeah, I hear, here about you could find that easily.

There's also chicken fights in Vegas.

Oh, cock fights.

Cockfights, yeah.

Jeez.

Where?

I don't know, but allegedly, I know people that go to those, and it's interesting.

They cut off the arms, so they only use their beaks.

Damn.

And the beaks attack the other rooster or whatever.

How much money is on the line?

They're betting tens of thousands.

Damn.

Yeah, I don't have that much.

I have that much money.

Well, they bet, I think, it's 16 teams.

Each team bets a thousand.

So the winner gets 16K or whatever.

That rooster has to win 16 fights.

It's a bracket.

So like starts off with 16, goes to 8, goes to 4, goes to 2, and then that's the finals.

wow it's illegal to illegal to go and watch or do you are i don't know never been but there's all sorts of stuff there's spider fights spider fights yeah so you train your spider and then they fight each other yeah i mean i don't know i don't know how you would gather around to watch that

eight dudes is the maximum viewing of the spiders are so small yeah how do you you like televise it on a big like prompt so everyone can see these little they're tiny it's like a fingernail size or are they big spiders?

No, they're kind of big.

What's that?

Like tarantulas?

Yeah.

What's the weirdest event you've found yourself at?

Sure, you've been to some weird places.

Gosh, I have to think about that.

Weirdest event.

What do you think?

Weirdest event.

Damn.

I really.

Dude, I get hit in the head so hard.

I can't remember what happened last week.

Like, literally, I tell people that.

And, I mean, or not even just getting hit in that, just falling too.

And

hits for sure.

For sure.

I don't have good IQ or memory to begin with.

Yeah.

I'll get you set up with a brain scan if you want.

Yeah,

I should probably just have internal, like, slow brain bleeding or whatnot.

One weird event I do want to go to is we want to do a mosh pit video.

Like one of those really greasy, questionable basement mosh pits.

I don't know if you've seen

people are throwing punches at each other.

Yes, very

concerning crowd.

Dude, it's weird because one guy will hit someone and then people team up on that guy.

You know what I mean?

I want to be that guy.

I want to go.

It's just, yeah, I appear in weird scenarios online where it's like, what is he doing there?

Why is he there?

And there's no context.

And I think that's, I think it's funny.

And that's why I do it, whether I'm appearing in the octagon or a freaking a greasy mosh pit yeah yeah there is that mysterious component to you yeah yeah there's never any context as to what led up to or followed the video that happened yeah I'm sure the comments are like why who is that guy what what is he doing there yes yeah I mean in the beginning

the uh

some of the people are reaching out to me and and asking me,

are you running these accounts or did you like hand that off to somebody and they're just recording Like one of my most viral TikToks is when I'm on the stretcher where there's two EMTs carrying me past a line of people and it looks like, and this is how we package them.

It looks like somebody was in the right place at the right time and they pulled out their phone and recorded something ridiculous that I was doing.

Because then it looks not staged.

Yeah.

And it looks,

it's relatable because somebody watching it can be.

Thinking to themselves, oh, I could have been there in the right place, right time, and pull out my phone and film that.

And then it goes way way more viral because it looks unintentional no i agree it looks so believable like there's been videos i've seen of yours that are like that did that just happen in real life you know yeah i mean when you're trying to get attention online it's kind of cringe when you're just making a video that screams look at me it turns people off

it's it's almost as if you need to package it where you look like you do not want attention agreed yeah it's a new era because back in the day that worked with the tick tock dances but now people think those are those are whack you know Yeah, it's just cringe when somebody is making a video that's very much screaming, I want views, look at me.

People watching this are probably like, that's you, bro.

But

I do the video.

I've been doing the videos long before social media, and I'm just obsessed with the art form and the craft, and went to film school.

I was just religiously tied to a camera ever since eighth grade, making videos of anything and everything.

So it wasn't like four years ago I picked up a camera and and learned how to edit for the first time it had been way before that the social media thing was just

started it as a joke for fun to prove a point to a buddy to tell him to show him that making viral videos was not hard in 2020.

and how long did it take to get the first viral video once you said that like five posts that's it yeah wow over a million views on that I think it was five million.

Damn.

Yeah.

Brand new account too?

Yeah.

That's impressive.

Yeah.

I mean, in 2020

gosh if i was posting the things that i post now in 2020 the videos would be going nuclear the algorithms are always changing as yeah you're well aware 100

and especially when tick tock got temporarily banned here in the u.s i don't know if you realized how different the algorithm was when they brought it back oh it's way different

my i don't get as many views as before every month that's the case with everyone they changed the the algorithm so it's way more so u.s

i would assume that you're you're getting views now versus for me at least, it was a lot more global views.

Yeah, different countries.

Dude, I rarely crack a mill now on TikTok, which is crazy.

It's tough.

Everyone's ever since then and a little bit before then, the views were just way down.

Yeah, for all the people that I talked to.

Yeah, other than that.

TikTok used to be guaranteed millions, like without trying.

Yeah, yeah.

It was when I look back at the my videos from 2020, I

ask myself, how did these even get that many?

50, 70, 80 million views not.

Some of them aren't even good.

Dude, my first pod clip got like 10 million on TikTok.

Jeez.

Like literally the first episode.

Yeah.

Two years ago.

Wish we could go back and then shit post more, capitalize on those ridiculous views.

Then again,

when you weigh out the value of those views versus US views today,

does it even out?

Or it's like the low CPM global views aren't really that's a good point, actually.

Because I'll say I get recognized more now, so they could even out.

The US audience viewership on any platform is always gonna be way more valuable than those India views, right?

India views.

None of the advertisers want those.

Nah, they see your analytics.

You got like 20% India.

They're like, see ya.

Yeah, it's it's tough for YouTube.

I don't know if I can't.

Can you see your demographic on TikTok who you have

not sure I think so because Instagram I know you can so I'd assume TikTok is the same yeah I'm not sure all the analytics talk you and I are are probably you know fascinated with it it's probably boring to listen oh yeah people are like what the fuck is that yeah yeah they don't know what any of this is we can talk about it endlessly but it's probably just gibberish to

people listening yeah I don't pay as much attention as I used to on it.

I used to really nerd out on it, but you can get too much focus on there for sure.

Me and Clayton are constantly studying it.

Oh, yeah.

And looking at it, because I mean, you have to, you have to look at it to adapt and change and evolve.

Whatever's happening to it.

End of the story, everything will fall in place if you just make fucking awesome videos.

Everything.

Any funny plans for Bitcoin Conference?

You're going to film anything there?

Yeah.

We have, well,

we had,

I think I was about to get scammed, six dwarves, little little little people, and I was going to dress them as me in this khaki outfit, and then give them signs that had like got coin-related things on them, and then have us walk around and like shill the coin to these rich dudes

because we can't afford to get in

and just troll them and hope there's like one or two whales that think it's funny and buy.

Yeah, and so

from what I could tell, the dwarf online agency, it's like rent midgets USA, I think was a scam.

They wanted 4,200 bucks.

Damn, and the dude wanted it through Venmo.

And I, I said, this is very questionable.

So now we're trying to find an escort service to get six.

Do you know any girls in Vegas?

I can connect you with someone.

I need only six.

That's not hard in Vegas.

Six girls.

Yeah, I'll connect you with a girl.

I'm just going to dress them as me and troll people.

Yeah.

But we were on a strip doing a video yesterday and running around the place.

And then I did a

we were at

staying at Palm's place and there's a bunch of like big influencer crypto dudes there and we were doing a video with them to like a how-to buy tutorial video to post to my Instagram to onboard normies,

I guess.

Yeah.

Web2 people that don't care about crypto.

That's what all these KOL people keep talking about is.

onboarding non-crypto people is very difficult.

I've heard it for years.

It is somewhat difficult, to be honest, but yeah, there's like zero

name an influencer who launched a coin who is still super active with the coins.

Like zero, yeah.

There was one girl, but I forget her name.

She's like a big celebrity, but I don't even know if she's on.

It might be mother coin, yeah, that one.

She's not

actively doing, from what I can tell, she's not actively

doing anything with it.

But she was probably one of, if not the best examples of an influencer coin launch that wasn't a hawk to a.

She lasted the longest.

Yeah.

I just feel like it's a tough space, man.

It is.

You even say the words influencer meme coin and immediately people get turned off and say scam and say rug pull, which I'm just, I mean, I'm just going to keep going with putting in the work on Geotcoin, regardless of what happens to it.

Try to be like a case study or an example that doesn't

have, doesn't add to that negative sentiment with influencer meme coins.

Because

it's just a matter of time before,

with Web3 just getting bigger and bigger, there is going to be future influencers that launch their meme coins.

And it'd be cool if there wasn't all the negativity tied to it.

Yeah.

Every single one of them.

Just immediately people dismissing it.

You remember BitClout?

BitClout.

That was an interesting concept.

I don't think so.

What was that?

Each creator had their own coin and you could invest in it.

but

it was an app?

Yeah, it was a site or an app.

Yeah, it was a few years ago.

Did it have any traction?

For a bit, and then it died like most coins.

I just feel like.

Oh, was it a coin or a site?

I think both.

But people just, their attention spans are so short.

They'll invest in a coin.

10 hours later, they're out.

Yeah, there's never been a giant Web 2

influencer who's launched a coin that's bridged the gap into the crypto meme coin web 3 space super well yeah matter of time though we'll see we'll see it's not easy yeah people just don't

it's it's complex well there was a lot of regulation too people were scared about

after the hawk to a thing uh no before that when gary gensler was at the sec

all the u.s changes were getting audited and wells notices and all this nerdy stuff but what what coins are you most invested in or holding like stable coins ethereum i fumbled Bitcoin I sold all mine at 90k I shouldn't have done that Solana and Ethereum I don't do the memes no not anymore I used to I lost so much dude what ones did you disgusting amounts you you wouldn't have even heard of them because uh they were from years ago oh wow that's how fast meme coins cycle dang yeah

that's tough yeah it was my fault I'll take accountability on that Did you use like

some of your Bitcoin to fund those meme coin purchases?

I think I used Ethereum.

Yeah, Ethereum, which sucks because I technically lost twice when you think about it that way, too.

You lost on the Ethereum gains.

Yeah.

Gosh, there's some horror stories

with crypto.

But I do love crypto.

Yeah, no, I think it's awesome.

I mean, the second that I heard that there is a marketplace where you can buy and sell memes,

it was, I mean, I immediately had to get involved because I make memes of myself for a living.

It ties into your world well, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, so we'll see if, see if I just keep putting in the reps.

And actually, do you know who Alon is from PumpFun, founder of PumpFun?

I've heard of PumpFun.

He was just, this is an example of like putting in the reps, even at Gotcoin, just, it's like trending sideways, way far from all-time highs.

He saw some of my kick streams and then reached out and is offering me a deal to come on to stream on Pump Fun.

Pump Fun is trying to make the live stream space bigger on their app.

Yeah.

So lucrative, I'm sure.

And so, yeah, it's just a matter of continuing putting in work regardless of the outcome and waiting until things like that or people like that recognize it.

You know?

Yeah.

So most influencers do merch, which is kind of cringe.

The margins are ass.

Yeah.

And this is like my replacement for merch.

Yeah.

I love Bitcoin.

We'll link it.

Good ticker.

Yeah.

We'll link it below.

Anything else you want to close off with here?

You're talking about aliens or something crazy?

Do you believe in aliens?

Yes.

Well,

I think that they are interdimensionally real, like fourth, fifth dimension.

If what the people, the experts say is true about there being infinite dimensions, then there has to be aliens in the other dimensions.

And they might be evil.

It might be bad aliens.

There's probably bad and good, just like humans, I'd imagine, if they exist.

Yeah.

I mean, if the dimensions thing makes sense, when if you consider that if we didn't have a sense of smell, you'd never smell a fart.

So, if we didn't have a sense of fourth, fifth dimension, whatever that is, we just it would be there and we can't see it.

Sense it, yeah, see it.

I could see that.

Are you big on conspiracies?

Yeah, don't get me started.

Oh, yeah, this is why I don't talk.

What's the one you're most convinced in out of all most convinced

say it out loud?

Um,

Most convinced.

I have to be prepared to completely back it up if I say it.

There's a lot of people on the internet that should not even speak about what they think.

They're not prepared to defend their idea.

Fucks.

Most convinced conspiracy.

Yeah, like what have you done the most research on, I guess?

Probably the Epstein stuff.

I mean, that's pretty

pretty debunked and obvious when you look at it and how we just still don't have a list.

I mean, it makes sense.

You blackmail all these powerful people.

You have leverage on them.

And,

you know, through those grotesque means of bringing the people to the island and whatnot and compromising them.

I mean, it makes...

It makes sense.

You want to control the most powerful people, you have to have leverage over them.

Yeah, that recent borrowed video of cash patel and dan beningo i don't know if you saw it but they were denying that it was a an assassination that epstein did kill himself oh it looked like they were uncomfortable when they were saying that yeah

yeah anybody saying that epstein was uh he committed suicide is

something's something's up yeah when you look at the the details and the facts of it and there's somebody that's not literally holding a gun to their head but there's consequences if they say otherwise yeah yeah they think i don't even consider i've seen a conspiracy at this point there's just too much evidence and data on that one yeah yeah i

i don't think we should get into it

we'll save it for another day

immediately i uh i don't

I don't think the conspiracy talk is good.

You'll probably get like extra shadow banned if you mention certain words and

the V word, yeah.

Yes, the V word.

That was another one I didn't want to say.

All right, man, it's been fun.

See you at the Bitcoin conference with six hours.

Yeah, you're bringing me right, yeah, you're driving me, yep, driving you there.

All right, guys, see you, peace.