230. 3 Ways to Quickly Build Confident in Young Insurance Producers

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Speaker 2 Because essentially, there's three types of revenue-generating positions. There are producers, outbounds, hunters, etc.

Speaker 2 There are closers, inbound, and then there are account executives, account managers, which are more retention, cross-sell, upsell, renewals.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know, figuring out which one of those positions the person's the best fit for can also be rapidly figured out as well by putting them through some of these

Speaker 2 tasks.

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Speaker 2 What's up, guys, and welcome to another solo episode of the Finding Peak Podcast.

Speaker 2 I love these solo episodes because it gives me a chance to really break down concepts that I share in social media or maybe talk about in podcast episodes where I have a guest and we don't necessarily get to expand as deeply on some of these things or just topics that I see out in different communities, whether they be agent-focused Facebook groups or other communities that I'm part of.

Speaker 2 See lots of questions, lots of thoughts, lots of stories shared. And these solo episodes give me a chance to dive deep on those topics.
And I love doing that.

Speaker 2 I love breaking down these things for you guys and just hopefully providing another perspective. You know, it's funny.

Speaker 2 I think a lot of times with the way that I approach these things, people believe that I believe that these are the only way things can be done, especially when it comes to like inbound sales and marketing in the insurance industry.

Speaker 2 So many people have ideological

Speaker 2 and more traditional viewpoints than I do on how to approach inbound sales and marketing. And all I'm giving you is another perspective.
That's my hope.

Speaker 2 I mean, these are things I've learned, beliefs that I have through experience, my own beats, practice, trying different tools, trying different processes, systems, using different personality types in different positions, which is one of the things that we're going to talk about today.

Speaker 2 And, you know, these are the lessons that I've come out with. It doesn't mean that they'll work for you.

Speaker 2 It doesn't mean that they're right for you, but hopefully what they provide is a new and unique perspective that you can think through.

Speaker 2 And if it feels like something that would fit, if it feels like something you're willing to try, it gives you another option, right? We're searching for tools in our tool belt.

Speaker 2 We want to add as many tools as we can so that we can create sustainability and predictability in our business.

Speaker 2 And then when we hit on a tool that allows us to really be successful, we can scale our business. That's the idea here, guys, right?

Speaker 2 You build sustainability, predictability, and then ultimately scalability.

Speaker 2 And I believe, and which is, you know, kind of my mission here for 2024, the first year of Finding Peak, my coaching and consulting firm.

Speaker 2 You can go to ryanhanley.com, findingpeak.com, wherever you search for, you can find more information.

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Speaker 2 But the mission for 2024 for Finding Peak is about making inbound sales and marketing a best practice for our industry.

Speaker 2 Not something that the innovative and most forward-thinking digital agents do, but ultimately something that every agency just builds in as much as they think about referrals, they think about inbound sales and marketing, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, that would be the goal. That would be my hope is that

Speaker 2 through the work we do at Finding Peak, through the work that me and the programming that my team and I are able to create and distribute to you guys, that we can, as common practice as it is to ask for referrals, people are using inbound sales and marketing activities to drive consistent business into their agency.

Speaker 2 Here's really why I believe in inbound so much. Before we get to today's topic, just guys, it's not that I have some overarching desire to be the inbound guy, right?

Speaker 2 That's, I, I'm, there's so much about this industry that I want to talk and share and teach on and help people.

Speaker 2 And, and oftentimes when we address things, particularly associated with inbound, it creates all these additional questions or thoughts or

Speaker 2 contextual items that we have to address in order to be as successful as we can. Okay.

Speaker 2 I.

Speaker 2 believe in and preach and teach inbound marketing because I have found it to be over and over and over again over multiple decades now.

Speaker 2 I have found it to be a core activity for growing an independent insurance agency. That's why.
That's it. Not because I want to find some niche and be the guy in it, or not because

Speaker 2 I'm too scared to cold call or I don't understand how to do something. I've done it all.
I've prospect referral partners. I've cold called.
I've done

Speaker 2 hard mail. I've sent out hard mail.
done, I've done basically, you know, cold email drip marketing,

Speaker 2 paid advertising,

Speaker 2 traditional paid advertising, networking. I mean, if there is a way to generate business into an independent insurance agency, I have done it over the course of my career.

Speaker 2 And while most of them I think work incredibly well, and really all of them work if you're going to become a master at them, The one that I see used the least, which has the largest impact, is inbound sales and marketing, right?

Speaker 2 So for me, where I believe to this industry, I can generate the most ROI to you guys is this activity called inbound sales and marketing.

Speaker 2 I believe so few agencies are doing it and so few are doing it correctly that

Speaker 2 by teaching and advocating in this area and drawing up the general awareness around inbound sales and marketing, the agencies who practice it and ultimately the industry as a whole can gather the largest ROI.

Speaker 2 That's why I spend my time here. If you want me to talk about cold calling or other types of prospecting or retention strategies or whatever, I'm happy to do those things.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, I've got more than 13 years directly inside of independent insurance agencies, one of which I own, founded, sold, and exited from.

Speaker 2 You know, I've worked with literally hundreds of other agencies.

Speaker 2 And, you know, if you count the phone calls that I've listened to through trustedchoice.com and when we were doing quality assurance, I've listened to thousands, quite literally thousands of agencies handle inbound leads.

Speaker 2 And I just feel like I can add value to you. So I just want to get that out of the way.
I know it's a bit of a diatribe, but guys, you've probably seen me talking a ton about inbound.

Speaker 2 And that's why I just believe it's got the largest ROI for us for something that we currently aren't doing and that there isn't a lot of education around. So with all that being said,

Speaker 2 if you're still watching this or listening to this, six minutes in, I want to talk through the three ways I believe we as agency owners or leaders of a sales team, you know,

Speaker 2 for a sales manager or vice president of sales, et cetera, in a larger agency, the three ways we can quickly build confidence in young producers.

Speaker 2 Now, I think what happens far too often is we bring someone in because they have potential or they're related to us or they're enthusiastic or outgoing, et cetera.

Speaker 2 And we throw them into how we currently prospect.

Speaker 2 And then when they struggle, when they flail, when they get frustrated, we act like it's maybe generationally they don't work as hard.

Speaker 2 Now, I will say that my general perception is the current, what is it, Gen Z,

Speaker 2 just has a complete different philosophical structure around work than say even my generation, right? Which I'm 42 going, I'm 43 as of the making of this video.

Speaker 2 So I don't don't want to say that they won't work hard, but I do believe that I don't necessarily understand personally all of their work ethic.

Speaker 2 And I also don't understand necessarily what they view and want out of their careers because it seemingly is much different than the way that I was taught and I was raised.

Speaker 2 But I don't want to say that what they're doing is wrong because...

Speaker 2 Regardless, if we agree, disagree, understand, do not understand, there is an entire generation of people who we can bring into our agency.

Speaker 2 And if we can train them and provide them with the proper tools, resources, philosophy, culture, et cetera, can create dramatic and

Speaker 2 scaled growth, right? Because they have the energy, right? Like you just have more energy when you're in your 20s and 30s than you do in your 40s, 50s, 60s.

Speaker 2 So we want to be able to leverage these people, but I do not think we can just drop them into the way we've always trained young producers and have them be successful. So, all right.

Speaker 2 So, how do we quickly build confidence in young producers? I have three ways to do this that I have tried and had success with.

Speaker 2 I think you have to tailor which of these you choose based on your agency setup and culture, et cetera, how you compensate people.

Speaker 2 I think you have to also have to take into consideration some of the unique characteristics of that individual. You know,

Speaker 2 are they a great problem solver, but not as extroverted? Do they have more phone skills, et cetera? There's all kinds of things to take into account.

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Speaker 2 So, with that, the first way that I've found that we as leaders, be us agency owners or just executives, managers, et cetera, can build confidence in young producers is by cross-selling monoline accounts.

Speaker 2 And I'll put this as like a 1A,

Speaker 2 calling lost accounts. So, depending on on the, now, again, this depends on the setup of your agency.

Speaker 2 If you have an agency culture where the initial selling producer owns that account, that account is theirs to cross-sell, upsell, et cetera, maybe you have to do something where you have a revenue share.

Speaker 2 Or if you have a lot of house accounts, this becomes much easier because now you can just take all the monoline house accounts and have these young producers with a call track, with a set of tools, with a value proposition.

Speaker 2 We can have them start to reach out and call these monoline clients and try to cross-sell them, try to upsell them. You could ask simply for Google reviews, right?

Speaker 2 Another good way is to call monoline clients who haven't left a Google review and say, hey, we really appreciate you being part of our agency.

Speaker 2 It means a lot that you would choose to put your workers' comp with us or your homeowners with us.

Speaker 2 And, you know, really, I'm just reaching out to say thank you. And if you've had a good experience, it would mean a tremendous amount for us if you'd leave a Google review.

Speaker 2 Would you be willing to do that? Right. That's a great touch point point because you can also just open up that conversation if the person says, well, this is a problem.
This is a problem.

Speaker 2 And you just, again, you empower these young producers through talk tracks and scripts to say, if they have problems, say, hi, I, you know, just so you're aware, I don't have 100% knowledge of what your issue is that you're bringing to me, but I'm taking notes and I am going to make sure that I prioritize today, getting out ahead of whatever the issue is that they have, right?

Speaker 2 Now, it sounds you're, you're not accusing them of anything

Speaker 2 or you're not creating new problems. You're not trying to have this new person to your agency solve that problem.
You're basically just having them acknowledge to your customer that there is a problem

Speaker 2 and that they will take ownership over addressing it and making sure the right person finds out, right? That's a tremendous touch point. And if you get a Google review, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 And now that young producer is talking to someone, hearing, communicating, just getting comfortable over the phone, right? That's a wonderful way to build confidence with them.

Speaker 2 You can ask for referrals. You can have them do the same thing asking for referrals.
If they did have a good experience, you can also say, hey, I know you have your workers' comp with us, but

Speaker 2 would you be interested in all moving your package over? We can rewrite your package. We can keep it with whoever they currently have it with, et cetera.
Is there anything else?

Speaker 2 Do you need bonding? Do you need a commercial auto, et cetera?

Speaker 2 And looking through the notes in your agency management system, maybe you already know that they have these things and you're just asking, but that reach out for a young producer to a current client.

Speaker 2 Again, you have to make sure that you're coaching them. It would make sense to be on a few of those calls with them if you have a whisper line, et cetera, just to get them used to it.

Speaker 2 But having them reach out to people who already have accounts with you,

Speaker 2 it should be a little warmer. It should be a little more casual.
And it gets them some touch points and hopefully something of value in either referrals, a Google review, or a cross-sell

Speaker 2 in rounding out that account post-sale. So monoline accounts.

Speaker 2 I think another way to go, slightly more aggressive, and again, I put this under the same heading, but as like a 1A, would be lost accounts.

Speaker 2 So reaching back out to accounts who have left and saying, hey, it's been 12 months, 18 months, 24 months, et cetera, since you were a client here. I know you canceled your policies with us.

Speaker 2 I'm just reaching out to learn a little bit more about why and if there's any opportunity potentially for us to work with you again, something like that, right?

Speaker 2 And they're going to get more no's, right? Maybe you start with the rounding out of monoline accounts or asking for reviews or referrals, et cetera. And then

Speaker 2 you go to lost accounts, right? So then you're now, the lost accounts are going to get a few more no's.

Speaker 2 You're going to get some people who have some negative things to say, but hearing negative feedback is part of the job. But being that.

Speaker 2 You know, the way that this builds confidence is that they're reaching out to someone in a lost account who may have a negative interaction with them, but they don't feel like it's them personally since they're not the reason that the person left.

Speaker 2 Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 So, because there's a bit of detachment between the reason the person left and the negative feedback, that young producer isn't going to take as much of a psychological hit at first.

Speaker 2 Again, what we're trying to do is get them comfortable on the phone, comfortable asking for things, comfortable asking questions. And in this case, comfortable hearing some negative feedback.

Speaker 2 But because there's a level of detachment from it, hopefully they don't take it as personally.

Speaker 2 Now, if you have a producer who can't call a lost account and take that feedback, that's really breaking them. They They may not actually be a good producer, right?

Speaker 2 So some of this is a way to figure out fairly rapidly if this person has the chops to be a good producer or a good revenue generating individual for your organization.

Speaker 2 Because essentially, there's three types of revenue-generating positions. There are producers, outbounds, hunters, et cetera.
There are closers, inbound,

Speaker 2 and then there are account executives, account managers, which are more retention, cross-sell, upsell, renewals.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 you know, figuring out which one of those positions the person's the best fit for can also be rapidly figured out as well by putting them through some of these

Speaker 2 some of these tasks, right? So we started with, you know, maybe calling monoline clients. Now we're calling lost accounts.

Speaker 2 The second main way, the second main heading of activities to rapidly build confidence is doing cold loom outreach videos. So this one is a little different.

Speaker 2 Not a lot of people do this, but I have found that forcing a young producer in particular to just pick up the phone and start cold calling can be a challenge. It was for me.

Speaker 2 It took me three or four years before I was comfortable picking up the phone and just calling somebody. And even today, it's not my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 I will do it because, you know, just the reality of maturing into business is that you have to. But,

Speaker 2 you know, early on, it's very difficult. And, you know, it's why so many people are unsuccessful early on because, you know, if you're just given a list and told to start cold calling, it's daunting.

Speaker 2 It takes a ton of practice. And sure, there are plenty of consultants and coaches.

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Speaker 2 Our industry that can teach you how to get better at it, but it can be very, very daunting. And one way that I've used to

Speaker 2 help some of our producers who weren't as comfortable

Speaker 2 with cold calling was to use cold video outreach.

Speaker 2 So what that looks like, and you know, we go into a lot more detail and this kind of stuff inside of Finding Peak, but just to give you the high level is you are using Loom and maybe going to that prospect, prospect if it's a commercial lines client website or if it's a personal lines client, although, you know, cold outreach to personal lines clients is kind of necessarily frowned upon.

Speaker 2 So if you're calling particularly for commercial lines, you may pull up that business's website.

Speaker 2 You got the little bubble in the bottom left-hand corner, if it's a Loom video, and you just introduce yourself something like, you know,

Speaker 2 let's say the guy's name is Steve. Hey, Steve, Ryan here.

Speaker 2 Just wanted to introduce myself and let you know that I've worked through your website and determined that, you know, based on some of the programs we have inside our agency, we might be a real value provider for you.

Speaker 2 We know that insert problem, you know, XYZ that that type of client particularly has. Uh, we know how to address those things.

Speaker 2 And if you ever have a need or if you are struggling with any of those items, would love to just have a conversation, something like that. Keep it, you know, I'm kind of.

Speaker 2 going through it very quickly. The actual scripted version is a little more detail oriented, but

Speaker 2 you know, you want to keep it light, keep it high-level, but by showing their website, by showing your face, you are making a real connection.

Speaker 2 You're showing them that you've spent the time to actually review their website and that you get five to 10 of those out a day. They're fairly easy.

Speaker 2 You can send them out via LinkedIn direct message or email if you have that. And it just differentiates you.
Additionally, if you're using a tool like Bloom, you can see if they actually watch it.

Speaker 2 And then if they watch it, it gives that young producer the confidence to reach out knowing that that business owner has actually watched the video, whether they've responded or not.

Speaker 2 And that's another way to, you know, quickly build some confidence because one, they're getting used to giving their pitch over and over and over again in a format that doesn't feel like it has as much pressure because the person's not actually on the phone yet.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 also,

Speaker 2 the kind of more digital outreach doesn't come with as much pressure as well. Again, eventually you may want to get to just straight pick up the phone and make the call.
That's great.

Speaker 2 The idea here is not this is the only way you ever prospect.

Speaker 2 It's a way to allow young producers to build confidence in what they're trying to do in this case, which is their kind of cold pitch to people, which will also help them be more confident when they see people in person, when they're networking, et cetera, when someone calls in.

Speaker 2 Because by doing it over and over again and doing it in a format that they're comfortable with, they build that the repetition of getting good at their pitch.

Speaker 2 So, number two, cold loom video outreaches as a way to prospect and just do introductions.

Speaker 2 Last but not least, certainly not least, and you kind of coming all the way back to the beginning of this video is creating a steady inbound flow of leads.

Speaker 2 So by focusing on inbound sales and marketing in your agency, making it one of the tools that you use, and in my opinion, it should be a core or foundational tool for generating opportunities for your agency to grow.

Speaker 2 Inbound business, when done right, has a consistency to it and a infinite nature, right?

Speaker 2 If you're consistently creating content, if you're consistently working referral partners, if you're consistently, you know, have like a steady stream of even paid leads coming from a tool like Tivly, et cetera, when those leads are always coming in and you're getting five a day, seven a day, you know, 15 a day, whatever you can get to

Speaker 2 over time.

Speaker 2 When you bring in a young producer and you put them, say, in a closer's position, that inbound revenue production position, which we call it finding peak a closer,

Speaker 2 they have have a lot of at-bats, right?

Speaker 2 So, as a young producer, the thing you're most worried about is, oh my gosh, if I don't sign this opportunity that I got, I'm not going to eat this week, or my boss is going to get mad at me because you just don't have as many

Speaker 2 accounts in your pipeline. When you put a closer on inbound, yes, you always are trying to maximize the number of accounts you write.
And you certainly don't just want to throw accounts on the floor.

Speaker 2 However, if you know you're getting five new inbound leads every day and and you put that young producer on those inbound leads, they can have the confidence to know that if they screw one up, there's another one coming right behind it, right?

Speaker 2 And that confidence, that detachment from I have to sell every single one of these or I'm going to get fired provides a level of security

Speaker 2 that I do not think comes from any other format of

Speaker 2 new business opportunity. Right.
So again, you want to be, you you have to manage them. You have to be working with them.

Speaker 2 You certainly don't want them just like screwing all of them up, but there is a level of security and confidence that comes from knowing, hey, I could have three good calls today and two bad calls or poor calls as I learn.

Speaker 2 And those two poor calls aren't going to cost me my job. They're not going to cost me my paycheck.
They're not going to cost me, you know, getting yelled at by my boss. Like

Speaker 2 I, I know that I can have a bad call here or there. I can screw things up as I'm learning.

Speaker 2 Eventually, we want to get to where we're crushing all of them, but I can have some of these misses early on because there's another lead coming right behind it.

Speaker 2 When we put young producers directly onto cold call prospecting or outbound prospecting or just, hey, go out and start networking or whatever,

Speaker 2 while eventually, if they do that right and consistently, you're going to build up a pipeline and everything should be fine over time.

Speaker 2 You can lose a lot of talented people if they don't get early wins or if they let their nerves get to them early on and they miss some early accounts, those are things that could cost them months of development.

Speaker 2 Where if we put them on inbound first and they just get used to talking to prospects, they just get used to answering questions, solving problems, working with carriers, you know, filling out forms, et cetera, all the blocking and tackling that can waste brain cycles during the sales process.

Speaker 2 Now they come in when you do decide to say, hey, let's start pushing you into outbound. Let's start working on some larger accounts.

Speaker 2 Let's go prospect a certain niche, et cetera, that our agency is really good at or has some good programs for.

Speaker 2 They feel confident in the areas of the business like asking questions, like working through problems, like communicating with underwriters because they've had so many reps on the inbound side of the business.

Speaker 2 So, guys, I think we have to be continually recruiting.

Speaker 2 Part of our job as leaders in a business is to always have our eyes open for new products, especially in my opinion, production-associated, revenue-generating-associated employees. And

Speaker 2 in order to make sure that the individuals we decide to invest in work and are successful, I think having programs or processes set up like these three items that I just discussed, cross-selling, monoline accounts, asking for ratings and reviews, current clients, et cetera, lost clients, reaching out to those,

Speaker 2 doing Loom Video Cold outreaches and working the inbound lead funnel.

Speaker 2 I think these are the types of activities that can allow us to rapidly evaluate while also rapidly building confidence in our young producers. But I would love your thoughts on this.

Speaker 2 I'm sure these aren't the only activities that you can do. I'm sure that some of this you may even disagree with or have tried and hasn't worked.
I would love your comments.

Speaker 2 I would love your feedback. What are you finding out in the market when you bring a young producer in? How do you make sure that you maximize their success early on?

Speaker 2 And I don't mean necessarily just young in age, but young to the business, right? We have a, this is a unique business.

Speaker 2 As much as I fought for most of my career that this was like insurance was some unique snowflake of a business, it really actually is. I just didn't believe it for the longest time.

Speaker 2 But over the course of the last half decade or so, I've really developed the mindset that we do have kind of a unique and dynamic thing here.

Speaker 2 And people who work in other industries and come into particularly the independent side of our business, I think they find out pretty quickly that this isn't just a plug plug and play like other spaces, right?

Speaker 2 You can move in other spaces and plug and play similar tactics. Our industry tends to, you tend to have to massage activities that work in other spaces into ours to fit what we do.
And

Speaker 2 I think having these types of tools, processes, resources at our fingertips helps us be successful faster. So love your thoughts.
Love your ideas. Love you for watching this.

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Speaker 2 That's ryan at findingpeak.com. Love to talk to you, hear what's going on, and figure out if we can help.
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