RE-RELEASE - Steve Buscemi

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Speaker 6 You know, Dana,

Speaker 6 we all know Steve Buscemi. Yeah.
Friend of the show. Yeah.
Friend of the happy Madison world.

Speaker 6 Saw him at Sandler's. That's my son was at Sandler's Kennedy Center award.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we were. I was actually next to him singing.
I'd not really hung out with him, and he's so much fun and so nice. You know, he's such an intense actor.

Speaker 11 And we talk about Fargo on this movie.

Speaker 9 And he can play the bad guy or whatever, but man, is he a sweet, funny person in real life and can sing.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 6 good dude in everything.

Speaker 6 People really like him. He was in Con Air, I remember.
That's the part I

Speaker 7 oh, yeah,

Speaker 7 I love that movie.

Speaker 6 And obviously, I think it was wedding singer and grown-ups. Uh, we did one summer.
I think he was in both of them,

Speaker 6 and just all-around, great actor, pretty beloved out there, and does comedy, does drama, and talks about everything in between.

Speaker 6 So here he is,

Speaker 6 everybody, Steve Mishungi.

Speaker 6 Well, you were in growns, but the one I was in, that I don't know if you, this was the one

Speaker 6 you were in the cast. Which one is that? Is that both of them or is that? I was in both of them, yeah.
Okay, yeah. So

Speaker 6 so the one where we're,

Speaker 6 Dane, this is boring as fucking shit, but me and Steve will crack up. You're already mesmerized? That's good.
Okay. So we're doing a drunk, a scene where we're all around and it's nighttime and

Speaker 6 we're all drinking and the couples start to pair off in slow dance. And this Joe Walsh song comes on or something.
And I,

Speaker 6 or not Joe Walsh, but sentimental lady. And I go, oh, no.

Speaker 6 Oh, this is a good song. And I'm drunk.
And I get up and I sort of stumble around. And then I interrupt Adam and Selma.
And then I wind up falling down drunk.

Speaker 6 But it's a seven-page scene and we're all in it. So it's hard to shoot.
So, we shoot it all night one night, and we get to my coverage. They go, It's getting light, we'll pick that up another time.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, Another time, because I just had it all memorized because I'm doing it all night. I'm like, I'm kind of glad I'm last because I have a lot of lines.

Speaker 6 So, three weeks later, McCartney is playing in Boston. We're pretty close.

Speaker 6 We might be in Swamp Squad.

Speaker 13 I just do this.

Speaker 6 Yeah, McCartney sounds. Yes, sounds like

Speaker 6 I thought he was here.

Speaker 6 I was looking around. When did he jump on?

Speaker 6 So I go, Chris Rock is in the movie. And I say, Chris McCartney is in Boston tonight.
And he goes, his ticket lady was my third grade teacher. And I said, oh, my God.

Speaker 6 And he goes, let's call her right now. And he goes, we're all dialed in.
I said, we're done around six, seven. We haul ass.
We found out exactly when he goes on.

Speaker 6 And then he goes, and he wants to say hi right before. We're like, oh, my God.
Wow. So

Speaker 6 about right before the end of the day, it was maybe Jack or someone came into my trailer and goes, we're going to pick yours up tonight. I go,

Speaker 6 pick up my what? And they go, remember that?

Speaker 6 Remember that scene you didn't finish? I'm like, like, it's my fault. I go, yeah, I didn't finish it right.
And he goes, I think tonight's good. I go, no, it's not.
It's fucking Paul McCartney.

Speaker 14 You're just not a worker.

Speaker 7 You're not a real worker.

Speaker 6 Paul McCartney waited till midnight to go on. He's like, are they coming?

Speaker 15 God, he's 81 and he's up half the night.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So I go, I go in.

Speaker 6 And then they go, I said, do not bring that fucking cast in

Speaker 6 to do all their shit again. I go, I'll do it.
I said, I can't do that to them. So they gladly all scrammed.
And then it was Sandler. You know, he's overseeing it.
And then

Speaker 6 I'm doing it to, you know, a bunch of like tennis balls or whatever, the eye lines. And I do my whole seven pages.
I'm drunk. And so I come to Video Village.
This is sort of the point of the story.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And

Speaker 6 I'm like, like, Adam, like, we got it. And yes, I haven't taken any classes, but yes, I'm really good.
And I sit there and he's just looking at it going, ah,

Speaker 6 and I go, we watch the playback. And I'm behind him kind of chuckling like, this is working.
And then he goes, were you drunker last time?

Speaker 6 time were you was it a little it was a little different i don't know if it's matching and i'm like So I go, play me back something from the last time, you know.

Speaker 6 And I was, and so we were trying to go, okay. And it was really hard to match the exact tone of the drunkenness.
Sounds crazy, but I go, I'm going to go under on this one.

Speaker 6 And then I come back, and then I go, okay, I'm going to go a little bigger. And we did it until it made sense.
And now, when you see the movie, you don't even notice, but it kind of fits in.

Speaker 16 Oh, you, you notice. I noticed when I saw it.

Speaker 6 You go, he's medium.

Speaker 6 David is is a little drunker in this line 30 seconds later you go slightly less drunk just come just play it six and a half titos and diet coax and i'm like oh that's a big one okay i can play that and then um

Speaker 6 so that just shows you first of all adam's eye is always on the ball yes and and little things like that

Speaker 6 matter

Speaker 6 and it's you can't tell yourself when you're acting and you need someone else's eyes to go it was good i just don't think it's exactly what we had. And

Speaker 6 so it took a little bit of a collabing right there. And then that's kind of fun when you finish and you feel like you got it right and everyone goes, got it.

Speaker 6 And then you all go home and you go, got it, got it. And you just knock it out.
I have two questions for you.

Speaker 6 Did you make it to the concert?

Speaker 6 Not a fucking chance. It was until 2 a.m.
We did that. All right.
Well, I guess my second question is not a question.

Speaker 6 It's a comment about Adam because

Speaker 6 I agree with you.

Speaker 6 He's always so involved in like, you know, all the all the films and i said to him why don't why don't you ever direct you know i said and he said he did doesn't want a location scout like that was the extra extra work yeah that was the reason

Speaker 6 he works morning noon and night anyway i mean he's yeah there's block he's re-blocking he's doing things that directors all do so yeah i think he's listened to so much indie way and it's sort of just

Speaker 6 you know,

Speaker 6 given that he's going to have a lot of say. But

Speaker 6 I guess you're right, it's that extra well, it's a little bit like Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 21 If you write a sketch, you're sort of the de facto director.

Speaker 13 We had Davey Wilson, he's setting up shots, he's he's got just it's live, so that it's not you, but you're still kind of the boss of your sketch, you're the producer and the director if you wrote it.

Speaker 22 You're casting it with other cast members, and Sandler is like that, he's like a co-co-director.

Speaker 20 I mean, you sort of everyone knows he's the overarching creative force, he's got his eye on every ball.

Speaker 23 So I think the way he did it was brilliant.

Speaker 20 You know, I don't think anybody else in history has done that many movies where they are, in a sense, an auteur.

Speaker 21 Right.

Speaker 11 It is Adam, you know, and he puts his stamp.

Speaker 6 I mean, definitely when he, he, the fact that he actually cares and even.

Speaker 6 when we're doing movies where you think this will probably not get good reviews just because they have a sort of bias, he still puts everything into it and really cares.

Speaker 6 I mean, another grown-up story is, do you have a half hour? Is

Speaker 15 we'll get to you in a minute, Steve.

Speaker 6 No, Steve. So

Speaker 6 David, I want to ask Stephen, when did he get fitted for the full body cast? And what was his reaction to going, wait, what do I do here? Or do you see the script and go, uh-oh?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I could tell I was

Speaker 6 in that one.

Speaker 6 Even on the day, like, because I remember, and the whole cast was there, you know, because it's like one of the big scenes. And it was, and it started to rain.

Speaker 6 And they got the scene and then everybody just scatters. I thought, these are like, I thought we were friends.
Like, are we

Speaker 6 left out there in the room? Nobody's checking on me. Like, everybody just like,

Speaker 6 and then

Speaker 6 the AD. you know then i thought i was done and the ad said well i think they want to get a shot where the dog comes up and sniffs your balls And I actually got mad.
I went, are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 6 Are your real hands in the real sticking straight up by goalpost, or do they put fake hands in there? So you don't have to do it. They put fake hands in there.
Thank you, God. Couldn't move.

Speaker 6 Thank you, Jesus. I thought it was real until right now.
I just went, wait a second. Could you hold your hands up all day?

Speaker 6 Because also, the thing about it, when you're like that, like if I was seen like that, i go well obviously they're going to shoot me out first and no one even gives a fat fuck they're like nope oh bushemu we never picked up we'll get him at the end sit there in the rain we'll come to you while you're rotting

Speaker 6 and getting rusty

Speaker 6 yeah it is tough movies are so complex and especially grown up so you got 55 leads Oh my God, there's so many people that are on set.

Speaker 6 And I don't know how the producers and the ADs do it, but they somehow manage.

Speaker 11 And just for the people, young people listening that are in the groundlings or whatever and aspiring to have a career in television or movies, we understand these are first world problems.

Speaker 6 Sure, stupid.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 8 the thing is, you're on a movie set.

Speaker 23 I would say the most tired I ever been.

Speaker 20 I was, because it was one of those 21-hour days.

Speaker 13 And they said, okay, Garth's going to go in the diner. I'm going to do this thing I worked on for weeks, this dance.

Speaker 14 And I'm going, and I was young and fit.

Speaker 28 I go, I am as tired as I've ever been in my life.

Speaker 26 I've been up like 40 hours, and here's your shot for eternity.

Speaker 15 Go for it.

Speaker 6 Oh, at the very end of the night, they get you.

Speaker 21 Yeah, well, that's with Steve's film.

Speaker 13 I'm assuming, like, Woody Allen would do like night shoots, would end at eight o'clock.

Speaker 24 Let's say, you know, I think we should get some Chinese, you know.

Speaker 21 Did you, uh, were you able to have civilized hours in a sense for the listener?

Speaker 6 Pretty much.

Speaker 6 But we know we wanted to, we, we knew we had nighttime shots so that by the end of the week, we were going to be shooting outside.

Speaker 6 So, you know, we start at the beginning of the week, normal hours, and then each day we would just start a little bit later. By the end of the week,

Speaker 6 it was night shoots. Going to splits, lingo, lingo.
Going to split. You know, I wasn't going to say splits.
Yeah, splits is lingo, and I want the people want to hear it.

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Speaker 8 First of all, we were watching your

Speaker 6 movie this morning.

Speaker 6 This is the listener, right, Dana?

Speaker 16 The Listener is a heavy film.

Speaker 23 It's very, very interesting.

Speaker 18 The conceit of it, this volunteer helpline woman.

Speaker 10 I mean, we'll talk to a minute.

Speaker 7 It is your movie that Steve directed.

Speaker 13 It's compelling, and it just kind of captures.

Speaker 25 the angst, post-pandemic angst or just human angst and sadness.

Speaker 16 It's extremely well done and well acted by Tessa Thompson, who is the only actor in the film.

Speaker 28 You go ahead, Steve.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 she's the only actor that we see in the film. Thank you.
There's an amazing cast of callers. Yeah, she plays a home helpline worker.
She works the night shift. She works from home.
And

Speaker 6 she gets all these calls during the night that she navigates. And we have a wonderful cast

Speaker 6 of the callers, but you only hear their voices,

Speaker 6 and you only see Tessa on screen for the duration of the film and she's amazing because they are characters also and they uh i was watching with someone and the first

Speaker 6 guy that called in she was more into the guy she was like i like his voice i like his tone i like what he's saying i like this guy and so it's actually a big challenge to be a voice and to have any sort of resonance or impact and tessa's obviously great on her end.

Speaker 6 She's got a very calm, soothing voice. And she's, you know, she could get very riled.
And it seems she's got a very, you have to have that sort of job. That's what her whole job is.

Speaker 6 And very interesting. I think what she worked with was,

Speaker 6 you know, because we did everything we could to make it cinematic.

Speaker 6 You know, if this was pre-pandemic and she was at a call center where she was, you know, kind of tethered to a desk, I don't know how I would have made made that film, but because she

Speaker 6 is able to work at home, we purposefully found a location that had a nice flow to it, that she could walk around, be in different rooms, go outside.

Speaker 6 And yeah, what's amazing about Tessa is that, yeah, her voice was, you know, she always tried to keep, you know, like a calm, level tone, but then, but you could see on her face.

Speaker 6 if she was upset about something that somebody said or worried um yeah she had a lot of these

Speaker 6 micro expressions

Speaker 6 that, you know, sort of gave you an inkling of

Speaker 6 what she was going through herself.

Speaker 11 And you know what you really captured, which you do a lot when you're young anyway, where you'll like a girl or something and then you'll talk on the phone at night.

Speaker 20 It's very intimate.

Speaker 13 It's cat and these two people.

Speaker 20 Tess's character and the strangers calling in, they don't know each other.

Speaker 22 It's very dim.

Speaker 23 It's the middle of the night.

Speaker 20 And they're having this intimate conversation.

Speaker 13 And the voice actors immediately, the first one, just sounded very, just extremely real, like your eavesdropping, you know, you captured that.

Speaker 6 So thank you. Thank you so much.
I appreciate you guys watching it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, the voice is,

Speaker 6 first of all, I kind of want to ask you one other question, but about this, but when I was on the phone as a kid or dating or doing anything in life, the voice was kind of a fingerprint.

Speaker 6 So when I think of women I've dated in the past or present, a voice is one thing I really appreciate in people because they are fingerprints. It's so unique.

Speaker 6 And you, I think I was brainwashed growing up, like trying to talk to girls on their phone and talking for hours, which so many liked. And you always remember that.

Speaker 6 And sometimes people get older and everything, but you know their voice right away. Right.
And so when I go into 7-Eleven and if I ask for something, they go, oh, I was waiting.

Speaker 6 waiting to hear you talk. That is you.
So, you know, it's kind of interesting.

Speaker 6 So when you have people call in, it's very powerful to have the right person with the right, because you have to make them all a little different. And

Speaker 6 that's a trick. And then you have to make, for people that don't know that sort of indie

Speaker 6 budget is like, if you have one location, what you were saying is you have to use some trickery and some movements and some things to keep it alive. And you did that.

Speaker 6 And that's the hard part with one subject and one.

Speaker 6 location.

Speaker 6 It's less expensive, but it's very, it's hard to keep it going. So to make a good movie is tough.

Speaker 6 We also shot the movie in six days because

Speaker 6 Essa was still working on Westworld, the HBO show. Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 And that was her hiatus. She had seven days off and she chose to work with us.

Speaker 6 You know, we were trying to find a window and she's so busy with other films and other things, but she had that one week off.

Speaker 6 So we shot the entire film in that one week, which was doable because it is a confined space and one actor, but still it was, it was, it was a bit of a challenge.

Speaker 7 And another interesting

Speaker 11 layer frequency, I don't know, I didn't, I went to state school

Speaker 6 is this idea when you take on a role, like when you'd see a teacher outside of school, you go, they're just normal.

Speaker 4 What are they doing?

Speaker 18 So in this case, her character.

Speaker 24 has her own issues and yet she's in the helper mode.

Speaker 12 It's like when you have a therapist and you kind of wonder, what's going on with them?

Speaker 20 You know, so that was a whole nother layer to the film that the people don't, you know, she's just in the helper mode and then she's in that mode, but she had so many other issues herself.

Speaker 6 So yeah, I mean, I think most of the people who do that work have been through it themselves.

Speaker 6 And part of the conceit of the film is that Tessa's character, she breaks protocol because you're not really supposed to tell, you know, your personal story to callers, but she does so for this one call where this woman is in crisis.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 she reveals

Speaker 6 a lot about herself in order to

Speaker 6 help

Speaker 6 or save the person that she's talking with.

Speaker 6 But I know what you mean about the, you know, seeing people out of context, like seeing your therapist on the street.

Speaker 6 Or I remember when I was a kid, I went to Catholic school and I remember one time during lunch seeing my teacher, who was a nun, eat a sandwich, and I was blown away.

Speaker 6 What?

Speaker 6 You eat?

Speaker 6 It's true. You never see them eat.

Speaker 26 They never eat.

Speaker 28 I saw Pastor Jerry.

Speaker 15 I was raised Lutheran.

Speaker 28 Pastor Jerry at the mall and he's wearing desert boots.

Speaker 18 And I go, Pastor Jerry wears desert boots?

Speaker 22 Because those were very cool back in the days.

Speaker 6 I saw a rabbi on a pogo stick. And I was like, what are you? You're never on that.

Speaker 14 Um, right, I know,

Speaker 6 you know, Steve, I'm looking at this. There's so much, Dana, about Steve that we love because he's uh, oh, actually, one more question about the movie before I get into your illustrious

Speaker 15 movie, too.

Speaker 6 Okay, my last one is

Speaker 6 being a well-known actor and a name, and uh, I don't want to hype you up too bad, but you know, you direct and you're uh

Speaker 6 well-liked guy out there. Is it still hard to get a small movie off the ground? Yes.
This is the first film I've directed in 15 years.

Speaker 6 And there were others along the way that I tried to do. This one was, you know, hard to get off the ground as well.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I think the climate out there is tough for any filmmaker.

Speaker 6 But, you know, but where there's a will, there's a way. And we did it.
You got through it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Single

Speaker 25 location helps with the budget.

Speaker 21 And were you like, I was just as you're making your film, first film in a long time.

Speaker 13 And now it's, it's, it's digital, digital playback, and you're going, you've got six days.

Speaker 23 And so you're with your DP or your producer or whatever, and you're looking at stuff. And are you going at some point, holy shit, this is awesome?

Speaker 22 Or you're being self-critical?

Speaker 13 Or I just wonder what you want us

Speaker 13 who will enjoy the movie.

Speaker 20 What did you want us to feel? What were you trying to reach for?

Speaker 23 And do you feel that you got it?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just wanted to create this really intimate atmosphere and have Tessa's,

Speaker 6 the location be totally her, her world where you're getting clues about her.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 for the audience to want to lean in and

Speaker 6 be involved. And it is exciting to see that

Speaker 6 on set.

Speaker 6 It's also overwhelming because there's so much

Speaker 6 dialogue in it. And so I'm constantly thinking,

Speaker 6 you know, I try not to think of the editing process while I'm doing it. But yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 that's things that you have to think about.

Speaker 6 And is it, is there enough movement? Is there, is, you know, when should it be still? When, you know, when or if the camera should move, when should Tessa get up and move around? And

Speaker 6 so we spent a lot of time actually

Speaker 6 working that stuff out before we before we shot it.

Speaker 21 Did you ever once on the set after a take just go, what are you doing?

Speaker 6 Like Sandler? You sound like Sandler?

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Speaker 20 I want to ask a question because Steve's been famous for a long time.

Speaker 13 So it's hard. You're kind of, you're, okay, I get to talk to Steve.

Speaker 13 It was so much fun hanging out with you at Sandler's Sing in D.C., you know, because you're one of the people i'd say uh steve buscemi's here i'm you know i'm doing this thing with steve buscemi and it's like

Speaker 15 what you know

Speaker 7 but i just here's something maybe you've never been asked who's more talented joel or ethan cohen if you have three seconds go

Speaker 6 they're both hacks

Speaker 6 who love likes feet more quenton tarantino or

Speaker 6 anyone else in the planet. Is he like feet or is that like a fake thing? Or is that like a joke? I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't.

Speaker 15 If he did know, he wouldn't tell you.

Speaker 6 Well, no, he can like feet. It's fine.
I like things.

Speaker 6 I just don't know if that's

Speaker 6 how much or if. Okay, we've got a, we've got a,

Speaker 6 what's it called when the witness is being very troublesome? I'm a hostile witness. Hostile witness.

Speaker 27 Yeah, we were trying to trend, Steve.

Speaker 4 No one knows we exist.

Speaker 6 We have a sweetheart deal with Feet Finder. Okay, I'm reading this.
This is what I read about Steve Buscemi because there's so much to know about him. I know.
This guy goes

Speaker 6 frequently plays fast talkers,

Speaker 6 frequently plays cowardly characters. It's funny.
And often characters mixed up in crime. Yes.
All true.

Speaker 6 A little generic, but all true. They're just, Steve is in so many good movies, and he's someone that everyone thinks is cool,

Speaker 6 which is really what I'm going for.

Speaker 6 Not there yet, but I think like Con Air, cool movie, just a random movie. Yeah, Con Air, fun, big movies.
I miss those kinds of you get to work with Nicholas Cage and his whole Nicholas Cage thing.

Speaker 6 It's great. Um,

Speaker 6 you remember that movie? I've had a great cast, John Malkovich, and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Speaker 6 Danny Trejo.

Speaker 6 Uh,

Speaker 24 can't you tell that he's lying?

Speaker 23 I'm working on him Malkovich.

Speaker 15 Nicholas Cage, why, God, why?

Speaker 6 Oh, you know, Dana, to bore the shit out of Steve again, not to bring it back to me. And it's not about me.
I do not know.

Speaker 14 I'm timing you this time.

Speaker 6 I read three times for his part in Conair.

Speaker 6 For whose part?

Speaker 6 Yours. And you probably was an offer.
I'm sure you got offered it while you were milling it out and swishing it around.

Speaker 6 They were dragging me to the valley back and forth, going, do it like this, you monkey. And then they go, no, we got our guy.
Thanks, Bike.

Speaker 6 I never knew that. Wow.
You would have been. I have a

Speaker 10 Steve.

Speaker 20 When's the last time you auditioned for a movie?

Speaker 6 Yeah, good one. Oh, wow.

Speaker 6 It's been a while.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I remember auditioning for a movie and then reading, you know, reading one of the parts and then asking the casting director can i read for

Speaker 6 the lead i was like well you know and and she looked at me and she said oh no

Speaker 6 we're going to get a name for that and that's the first time i ever heard that expression we're going to get a name for that like well i have a name and then i thought oh i see i have to get my name known i didn't know it worked that way i just thought if you were oh it's so many things i auditioned for were offers out to people and i was jumping around to kill time to scare them Like, we're having auditions right now.

Speaker 6 I mean, no one, no one's good yet. Don't worry, no one's good yet.

Speaker 13 I hated when he walked into an audition room and I saw all these, this is in the 80s, babyface men with no chins.

Speaker 28 Like, I go, okay, I get it.

Speaker 14 Oh, I, I, I get the

Speaker 6 look. Yeah.

Speaker 28 They're all look alikes of me.

Speaker 21 No chin, babyface.

Speaker 22 Okay, cherubic.

Speaker 23 I get it. But

Speaker 13 I was over 150 at one point, 150 auditions.

Speaker 15 One time the agent called me, you didn't get it and you frightened them.

Speaker 6 Oh,

Speaker 6 I remember

Speaker 6 auditioning for Barry Levinson

Speaker 6 once and reading, you know, reading this part, and he liked it. He went, that was good.
It was good. Now can you do it? And he gave me a very specific direction.

Speaker 6 did it again exactly the same

Speaker 6 and we both looked at each other.

Speaker 6 I was mortified. He was embarrassed.

Speaker 6 And I said, that wasn't that different, was it? He went, no, no.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 12 Okay. You know,

Speaker 6 my fucking acting coach shocked. Yes, I had one.
They said they might give you direction just to see if you can take direction. A lot of people can't.
I'm like, why not?

Speaker 6 And they're like, it's shocking. They can't.
They go, Steve Boucemi, they just start listing people. But honestly, it's like you just say that and you go, oh, I would just change it.

Speaker 6 And some people are coached so hard or they're with their teacher or whatever. And they go, this is the right way to do it.
Even to the director, they're like, I've got the right way. You don't.

Speaker 6 Right. And they're just testing you, but I've done that.
I bomb every

Speaker 6 commercial edition, even more embarrassing.

Speaker 23 Do the Cohen brothers give you a line-by-line reading?

Speaker 21 Like, say say the line like that, or how are they?

Speaker 6 They, you know,

Speaker 6 their writing is so specific, you know, that they really want you to, you know, say what's written. And so there's very little.

Speaker 6 I think I improvised something once on Fargo and I was nervous about it, but they liked it. But I remember in the beginning when I first started working with them, they

Speaker 6 I think in Miller's Crossing,

Speaker 6 they just wanted my character to be even, you know, he was a fast, he was the fastest talker that I think I I ever

Speaker 6 it's hard with lines to do fast.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And they just wanted it even more, like they just wanted it more intense or more shrill.
And

Speaker 6 I remember doing the scene where I, you know, all I do is talk, talk, talk, talk. Gabriel Byrne had like two words.
Then I talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. He would just wait till I stopped talking.

Speaker 6 And then he would say two, two words. And there was a whole casino of people behind me on my

Speaker 6 coverage. And I remember on one of the takes, my late wife, Jo, she came to visit me on set, but I didn't know she was there yet.

Speaker 6 And as I'm doing the dialogue with the whole casino, you know, extras behind me, I see her head poke out, you know, behind somebody to watch. And I just stopped talking.
Oh, it threw you.

Speaker 6 And then, all right, back to one, you know, and it was a lot of grumbling. And she felt horrible.
I could see the look on her face. She knew what happened and she just ducked back out.

Speaker 6 Um, yeah, because your brain just switches. You go, wait, just like, oh, Jill,

Speaker 6 yeah, turns you off.

Speaker 6 You know, uh, Dana, I don't know if you remember this one, of course, you do. I don't know who you've played in this, maybe Travolta.
One of my favorite sketches was Welcome Back, Cotter,

Speaker 6 Quentin Tarantino's Welcome Back, Cotter. When John hosted, when John

Speaker 6 John was playing John, okay, Travolta hosted, and And it was Welcome Back, Cotter, directed by Quentin Tarantino. And

Speaker 6 at the end of it,

Speaker 6 yeah, because Michael McCumb was on the show, and they had Lenny and Squiggy pop out. Remember?

Speaker 6 And then I came out at the very end as Mr. Pink and said something like, Up your hole with a jelly roll, something like that.

Speaker 6 I remember in the rehearsal

Speaker 6 or the dress, the dress rehearsal show

Speaker 6 uh i was late getting out there and i didn't think it was my fault i thought i was cued late but you probably don't remember this david but afterwards you did give me a little about that shut the up did i you gave me a little bit

Speaker 6 you did you did you were like hey the you know johnny on the spot there what happened something like that and i went they didn't kill me you know how dare i i was i was nervous nervous i was horseshack and i was in character mr Carter,

Speaker 6 I got to play Horseshack.

Speaker 6 I loved it. I thought that was such a funny idea, funny sketch.
It was great. One of my all-time memorable ones, that's fun.
You got to be in that. And

Speaker 6 I just watched your monologue of character actors. That was a good idea.

Speaker 6 You were people in the audience, cast members were character actors.

Speaker 6 asking you how to be a lead

Speaker 6 wait

Speaker 6 yeah they said, like, hey, you're a lead, but you play a lot of character actors, but now you're a leading man.

Speaker 6 I play the girl with all the bags at a store that's the best friend. And then she falls out of frame.

Speaker 6 And then Kristen Wigg is like, I'm the girl running from the killer with a knife, but I don't know where anyone is. Steve, are you here?

Speaker 6 So everyone was playing a character and they were asking for your advice to get past being a character actor. I thought it was pretty clever.
I thought that was good.

Speaker 6 That was good. I should watch that again because I totally blanked that out.
I'll send you a link.

Speaker 6 Thanks. All right.

Speaker 7 Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 6 But now that you say it, now that you describe it,

Speaker 6 I do remember it. Yeah.
I mean, it is a blur because you've got 13 sketches. You've hosted, I think, twice.
Twice, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So it's hard to remember every nook and cranny, but it was a good job. I thought that was interesting.
I like what I remembered about the first time hosting

Speaker 6 during the dress rehearsal, I came out to do the monologue and I spotted a friend of mine from high school sitting in the front row. And again, it was just like

Speaker 6 seeing my wife on set. Yeah.
I looked at him and I was like, hey, it's Eddie. And I was like, ah, fuck.
What's mine? Like, I don't know what to do now.

Speaker 6 On top of your nerves. You see that throws you off.
So scary. One take.
That's the hard part. I know.
You're like, let me start over. Nope.
But thank God it was a dress rehearsal.

Speaker 6 And then at the, for the show, I just went, just told myself, just don't look at anybody. Just avoid eye contact.
Yeah.

Speaker 27 So what a run you had in the 90s.

Speaker 24 I mean, come and then the SNL calls.

Speaker 23 You'd been in at least five giant movies, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction.

Speaker 20 When did Fargo come out?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that came out like in 96. I was surprised that I got the call for it because I didn't think I had really done enough to like warrant me being like that people would even know me.

Speaker 6 But John Tatura was also on that year. And I thought, oh, is this the year that they're like going after

Speaker 6 independent film actors or something? And I was like, I'm so thrilled to like get it. But I was nervous that I think I suggested.

Speaker 6 Because in the opening monologue, it was some monologue about my name, Steve, and something, you know, it was, and it just wasn't me. And I was nervous about that.
So I sort of addressed that.

Speaker 6 And then I suggested something.

Speaker 6 I can't remember who came up with the idea that we were going to, like, I was going to take suggestions from the audience and do like an improv with the rest of the cast.

Speaker 6 And then I would just insert scenes from movies that I was in. But part of it, but the ulterior motive was.

Speaker 6 to like to remind people i was in fargo where reservoir dogs were nervous that people wouldn't know like, well, who is this guy?

Speaker 6 But I was glad that they changed it. I was very sort of shy to say, can we, do I have to do this opening monologue?

Speaker 6 Can we change it? And

Speaker 6 Lauren was really open to it and receptive. And but that first time you host, it's just, it's just so

Speaker 6 mind boggling. I was so anxious and I didn't know if I was allowed to say anything or contribute.
And even though they were asking me, like, is there anything that you like to do?

Speaker 6 Or do you have any special talents? Can you sing? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Whatever you want.

Speaker 6 Right. Did you feel like you're being a problem if you say too much on a set? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then also like, what do I know? Like, aren't like, you're the experts. Yeah, you put yourself in their hands.
I think they just test you to say, we have a sketch we've been sitting on.

Speaker 6 but we need someone that can speak Russian or we need someone that can, you know, sing. And they,

Speaker 6 and yeah, and you need just dialects and weird shit. And you go, I can juggle.
They go, okay, we can put that in something. And then that helps.

Speaker 24 Did, did Lorne calm you down or is he sort of imposing in his own way?

Speaker 21 But normally he would really take a host. You go to dinner with him.

Speaker 29 You'll be nervous on the dress rehearsal.

Speaker 22 And then on air, it'll all just come together.

Speaker 6 That's, yeah, he's kind of both. He's very intimidating.

Speaker 6 and comforting at the same, you know, kind of at the same time, because he's so calm, you know, that it like, and it's, no, this is what we do and you'll be fine.

Speaker 6 And it's like, okay, I'll believe you.

Speaker 6 Do you, you know, we had an old movie you did was called Airheads. I saw it again on the flight because we had lovely Brendan Fraser, who is a super sweetheart.

Speaker 6 He's great. And then

Speaker 6 for Sandler. For seeing Airheads again, because I went and saw it on Broadway in like

Speaker 6 69th, wherever there's that little theater in New York during, I think it was SNL.

Speaker 6 And I saw the whole thing again. Pretty fun to see the whole thing again.

Speaker 6 And Billy Madison, of course, is such a big one that people remember you from, you know,

Speaker 6 one day on that movie.

Speaker 6 And everyone remembers it. Is that you when you cross the list of kill, who to kill, that thing? And that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 So memorable.

Speaker 6 He he calls me up and he apologizes for his bullying behavior in high school. And then I cross his name off.

Speaker 6 First people to kill.

Speaker 6 And then I, for no reason at all, I just put on lipstick, which that was my favorite part.

Speaker 23 You know, we went. Do you think I mean

Speaker 13 being the character actor is great?

Speaker 6 We saw Sandler tape his thing. I thought I might see that.
He's doing his stand-up special.

Speaker 6 And Bridget was there.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Veronica Vaughan,

Speaker 6 a teacher teacher in billy madison and uh

Speaker 6 and i said you get to be for history in one of farley's funniest things saying that veronica

Speaker 6 is one fine piece of ace and then billy goes you went with her and he goes i had a couple fun nights with her no you didn't he goes and no i didn't

Speaker 6 or whatever he says it's so funny it's very very very crisp yeah it's like yeah

Speaker 6 he plays the best bus driver in Billy Madison.

Speaker 6 So funny. Yeah, that's fun.
It's fun to be a part of even like that one scene you did.

Speaker 6 Everyone remembers it. I loved, and you know, yeah, and Chris was in Airheads.
And I remember when we did the read-through,

Speaker 6 and afterwards, Chris said to me,

Speaker 6 there's a part in Airheads where, you know, like my character gets angry and I'm like yelling. at Adam and

Speaker 6 Chris says to me, wow, Steve, when you were yelling at one time, you sounded just like you did in Reservoir Dogs. And I kind of looked at him like, what are you saying?

Speaker 6 And I realized Chris really was that way. Like when he had that sketch on SNL.
Yeah. He was like, oh, God, what, you know, remember when you were in the Beatles? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 He really was that way, kind of.

Speaker 6 But he was excited, I'm sure, to see you. I know, I know.
Yeah, it's fun. And I just, you know, and I kind of looked at him and he looked at me and then we like just laughed.

Speaker 6 But it was a really funny thing for him to say.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he is a sweetheart.

Speaker 24 Was Fargo the one you get asked about the most? Only because it won the best picture, right?

Speaker 6 No, it's

Speaker 6 the Big Lebowski.

Speaker 12 Okay. And that was another.

Speaker 6 And it took a few years for that to happen

Speaker 6 because that was the one that followed Fargo. And I think critics didn't know what to make of it at the time.
And it kind of fell through the cracks.

Speaker 6 But then like five years later, I would start to get these like college kids come up to me and mention it because they watched it on vhs like over and over and then in 10 years time then it was yeah and then i it got to be where i knew the lubowski fans like somebody would come up to me on the street and they'd be about to say something and i'd say shut the fuck up donnie and they'd like look at me like oh yeah

Speaker 6 yeah yeah yeah god i i'm telling you i hear about that like people i'm not in it but people go God, have you seen the Big LeBowski?

Speaker 6 Like, the one of my when they're listing movies they like and comedies, and it just really did resonate.

Speaker 15 Yeah, hey, I'm the dude, man.

Speaker 6 Jeff Bridges is such a stud. Such a stud.

Speaker 30 Jeff Bridges, I always say that when he became a cowboy actor, he always sounded like it just had a hoagie.

Speaker 30 I'm gonna do a take here in a minute, but I just had a big deep cry at it.

Speaker 30 He, you know, he,

Speaker 22 his Jeff, now, if he listens to our podcast, he just, once he did true, true grit, and then he just stayed.

Speaker 19 His voice got gravelier.

Speaker 26 Well, he's just sort of, he went post-acting.

Speaker 13 I think some people, if you see Hell or High Water,

Speaker 26 he's being so playful in that.

Speaker 18 It's almost like Anthony Hopkins and the one he got the Oscar for a couple of years ago.

Speaker 13 So kind of like beyond acting, they're just playing.

Speaker 13 I don't know what to describe.

Speaker 30 He's like, let's get a giddy up on this car.

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 14 In the Hell or High Water, I went, oh, he jumped the shark.

Speaker 16 He's not acting anymore.

Speaker 29 Do you know what I mean, Steve?

Speaker 6 In a way, yes, he's just become whatever.

Speaker 30 Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Rules are out the way.

Speaker 13 It's the most in the pocket you feel you've ever been, like in a role.

Speaker 10 Like, okay, this is the most I'm not thinking that I'm acting in a way, or I'm just feeling so, so great in each take.

Speaker 6 If it ever happened, well, no, um,

Speaker 6 I mean, the first feature that I directed, Trees Lounge, was a character that I wrote for myself that kind of was

Speaker 6 like an exaggerated version of me, but it was me. And

Speaker 6 so,

Speaker 6 but it was weird because I was also directing it and I always get very anxious when I direct. So it was hard to really enjoy it, you know, fully in the moment.

Speaker 6 If somebody else was directing, I think maybe I would have felt like, oh yeah, I'm nailing this.

Speaker 6 Otherwise, I'm just like, I'm just thinking about the rest of the day and just wanting to get through a scene, make sure I got it right. But yeah, but my anxiety, I think, just gets in the way.

Speaker 12 Wait a minute, an actor with anxiety, I mean, and self, and

Speaker 19 you're having a brilliant actor as self-doubt and anxiety, except for Brando, maybe.

Speaker 23 I don't know, but everybody else was a little shaky.

Speaker 24 I don't know.

Speaker 23 Hard to place Brando.

Speaker 6 I'll bet he was insecure.

Speaker 6 Brando. Well, he got the earpiece at some point.
So I think he was like,

Speaker 6 memorizing lines. It's too stressful.

Speaker 13 Not giving a fuck is another way to do this.

Speaker 6 No, I'm saying the word anxiety, I didn't know growing up, or I would have said it every day. But I think now that you give people this word, like kids, they're like, I'm anxious at school.

Speaker 6 I'm like, well, no fuck. I've been anxious since the day I was born till right now.
Like, it's a very rough life out there. And they're like, I don't want to do my homework, it gives me anxiety.
No,

Speaker 6 like everything does.

Speaker 18 Oh, I had panic attacks before I do stand-up, but I didn't know I was having a panic attack.

Speaker 20 Yeah, you don't know what it's called.

Speaker 6 You're just like, I was

Speaker 13 to go talk to a therapist for $225 an hour, maybe a talker down to 200.

Speaker 23 Well, that's enough personal information.

Speaker 20 For tip, but

Speaker 7 uh,

Speaker 24 yeah, everybody is anxious now and depressed, Steve.

Speaker 6 True, we can now

Speaker 6 we know what we are.

Speaker 6 We know we're screwed up. We have vocabulary.
Before I let you go, Steve, because you're a wonderful guy.

Speaker 27 And you're doing 12 other podcasts after this for the listener.

Speaker 6 You know, the good thing about Steve is he's not totally out there on everything. Like, that's the interesting mystery of Buscemi.
He's just kind of cool, lays back a little bit, doesn't smother us.

Speaker 13 He, I don't, it's, I think it's unintentional, but yeah, he's effortlessly cool.

Speaker 30 And the fact that you're, I mean, I'll just throw this out here because I don't, it's not common knowledge to everybody that you were a firefighter who dreamed of becoming an actor yeah who became an actor 9-11 happens and then you apparently volunteer and you're going into the rubble with the firefighters not to bring up such a dark subject but that's an extraordinary uh thing for a human being to have done

Speaker 6 you know Well, thank you. No, yeah, because I was a firefighter for a few years in the early 80s.
And then, you know, as the years went by, I got further and further away from it and lost touch.

Speaker 6 But then 9-11, yeah, it just put me back in touch. And I felt really honored that they would even let me come back and work with them with

Speaker 6 my company, Engine 55.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 I had access, but I know so many people. who would have done the same thing that wanted to be there, but

Speaker 6 couldn't get in there. And

Speaker 6 I had the opportunity and the access because I used to be on the job and I felt very

Speaker 6 honored to, you know, that

Speaker 6 I was able to do that.

Speaker 13 It's hard for any of us to imagine that scene and what you went through.

Speaker 23 And you were invisible in a sense with the gear and everything.

Speaker 28 No one knew, hey, that's the Fargo guy.

Speaker 6 You know what's weird is that, you know, I still had my

Speaker 6 turnout coat and my helmet and boots. And so I went there there thinking that I would, that I could blend in.

Speaker 6 But I had been off the job like since the mid 80s and all the and all the equipment changed. And the bumper here,

Speaker 6 you look like Curious George or something. I kind of stood out anyway.
And then people were like kind of looking at me like,

Speaker 6 who is this guy? Why doesn't he have like, why is

Speaker 6 it a relic from the past? Oh, wait a minute. It's that guy.
It's that actor. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, Dana, that's funny. He did that anonymously and he helped for weeks.
In a related story, I brought cookies down and had it tipped off TMZ to follow me.

Speaker 6 And then later, and I was in full makeup.

Speaker 18 And then, hey, man, you both, you both are heroes.

Speaker 6 And I sent them a bill.

Speaker 15 You're different kinds of heroes.

Speaker 26 I want to ask Steve a question because I don't know if this is true either. Because I was a pip.

Speaker 13 David and I were pip squeaks in high school.

Speaker 22 Like, I

Speaker 23 graduated, I was probably 125.

Speaker 18 Me too.

Speaker 14 But I heard you wrestled at 105 on the varsity.

Speaker 6 Really?

Speaker 15 But you got bigger than that, right?

Speaker 23 Were you that a freshman 105?

Speaker 7 I know.

Speaker 6 I did that up until my senior year. Maybe I went up another.

Speaker 6 I don't think so. 105.
Yeah, that's crazy. I know.

Speaker 26 Were you your height?

Speaker 6 But because I

Speaker 6 was pretty wiry and I was pretty strong for my weight. I did pretty good during the year,

Speaker 6 you know, like in the team matches, but then in the tournaments, I always, I always choked. When you started wrestling guys, was it harder?

Speaker 6 He says the girls, a little easier. And then they started putting me up against guys

Speaker 6 when I got to 110.

Speaker 26 And then it was two girls versus Steve.

Speaker 14 And he'd take them down three girls, and it was getting hard.

Speaker 13 And then they had an 87-pound guy.

Speaker 13 No, but you were good. I mean, you were actually, you would seem like the kind of guy who would be good at wrestling.

Speaker 10 I don't know why I think that, but yeah, your intellect and kind of, I think wiry people are secretly strong.

Speaker 6 I was, I was okay. I did, I, you know, I had, I had a great coach, Mr.
Earl, and, and, uh, and

Speaker 6 his son, Richiro, was my wrestling partner. So, and like, he was like the best on the team.
So, it kind of rubbed off on me. I had one secret move called the reverse cradle.

Speaker 6 And if I got you in it, if I got you in the reverse cradle, you know, it was like a surprise. And I actually beat some like guys who were probably better than me.

Speaker 6 But then, you know, that's why I would choke in the tournaments because then you wrestle these same people again.

Speaker 6 Oh, they're ought to be older. And they know you're

Speaker 34 a one-trick.

Speaker 12 It always seemed a little close-quartery in a way.

Speaker 14 Did you ever wrestle a guy and all of a sudden your face was right up against his junk?

Speaker 15 You're going, why am I doing this?

Speaker 6 It's very almondic wrestling. It is.

Speaker 6 okay you know let's look at a clip it's part of the appeal that's it's part of the appeal it does get a diverse audience yes yes that's good yeah all right dana what do we do with uh steve we let him go well we could do ours because of he doesn't need our help but yeah he's steve buscemi he's a national treasure

Speaker 21 I'm going to use that as a because you've just been around so long.

Speaker 16 And

Speaker 13 if I see you in a movie, I'm just happy.

Speaker 6 You're like this guy.

Speaker 3 It's this guy.

Speaker 27 And I think when you are in your lane,

Speaker 8 I don't know who your peers are.

Speaker 22 I don't know if it's Christopher Walken.

Speaker 8 These are older people, but

Speaker 26 it's there's the cool factor.

Speaker 27 You're not a pretty boy in front of a movie doing all the press.

Speaker 13 You're just the guy who goes in and you can't take your eyes off that guy.

Speaker 23 You know, I mean, it's like you weren't in Fargo.

Speaker 21 It was like, it didn't feel like you were acting.

Speaker 13 You weren't an actor in that movie.

Speaker 6 They're like, they got a real guy to do this.

Speaker 21 Where'd they get this?

Speaker 13 I had that once with Rip Torn. I saw a movie.

Speaker 21 I think, where'd they get this guy off the street?

Speaker 13 He was so good in this movie. And I think you have that vibe about you.

Speaker 6 Thank you. So I'm not a pretty boy.
That's what you're saying.

Speaker 23 Well, I'm saying you're, you're ruggedly handsome.

Speaker 12 I thank you.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 21 I agree. Do you think David's a pretty?

Speaker 6 Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 6 Thank you. I've gotten away with every time I date someone, it's beauty and the beast in every article.
I'm like, enough for this. Like, just why not just say I don't look like a beast?

Speaker 6 They say, they go, yuck. That's like exclamation is the headline.
I'm like, all right.

Speaker 6 You can't do that. You can't do that with the girls.
You can't say, look at this great looking guy with this dog. It's like, you can't.
You can do it with me.

Speaker 6 All right, Steve, that's really what I wanted to get off my chest. Okay.

Speaker 6 Thank you for talking to us. You're a stud, and we'll talk soon.
Hopefully. thank you both i love you both

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