The Football Cliches Quiz XXI: Libero

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Speaker 1 World Cup winners with the names of Prime Ministers, Premier League bean poles, double domestic cup final misery merchants, top-flight match balls, frankly too many football figures dubbed into European languages, targets of Richard Keyes patronising, some apparently obligatory questions about the 1930 World Cup, and of course, happy hunting grounds.

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Speaker 1 Hello everyone and welcome to the 21st Football Cliches Quiz, the 11th Pod VPod Edition no less.

Speaker 1 I'm Adam Hurry and after registering our third win in a row against Spurs outfit the view from the lane last time out, I haven't changed our winning team and we're straddling the globe for this one.

Speaker 1 Thanks to some tantalisingly sub-par Wi-Fi at Centre Parks, I'm at a ghostly co-working space in Milton Keynes.

Speaker 1 From the business end of the US Open in New York, it's Charlie Eccleshare. Charlie, you're five hours behind, but but one step ahead, I hope.

Speaker 9 Let's hope so. Yeah, looking forward to this.

Speaker 1 Excellent. Alongside you from London, David Walker.
How are you doing? I'm good. Let's do this.
I'm confident. I'm feeling good.

Speaker 1 Our quiz guests today represent a collective recently dubbed the Travelling Wilburys of Football Podcasting. It's Libero.

Speaker 1 Heading up their team is Jonathan Wilson, a man whose life is now dedicated to inventing football podcasts so he can represent them in the clichés quiz and finish a creditable runner-up.

Speaker 1 How you doing, Jonathan?

Speaker 4 I still, Still can't believe we lost the last one. I've been burning with desire for revenge, and

Speaker 4 yeah,

Speaker 4 I'm gagging for it.

Speaker 1 Great to hear. Alongside you, it's your fourth attempt at the clichés quiz, Jack Pittbrook.
You've won one, you've now lost two.

Speaker 1 You're on the slide, let's face it.

Speaker 2 I am on the slide, but it's actually less painful to lose as a team than as an individual. So I will fall back on that if we're not successful today.

Speaker 1 Excellent. Soaking it all up.
Right, your third man is John Bruin. John, a bruising encounter for the Wilson Football Empire last time out.
Possibly the greatest clichés quiz of all time.

Speaker 1 Can this one live up to that?

Speaker 10 I hope so.

Speaker 11 Are we in at the second four-three Liverpool Newcastle?

Speaker 14 I think that's what we're looking for, isn't it?

Speaker 4 Not quite as good, but still great.

Speaker 16 Yeah, still pretty damn good.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it could be a completely different dynamic. Right, a reminder of the format for listeners.
Each team will pose three rounds of five questions to the other team.

Speaker 1 A total of 25 points will be on offer. Let's kick things off in traditional style.
Football clichés will kick things off with the trivia rounds. And your first question, Libero, is this.

Speaker 1 Name two of the three World Cup winning players who share a surname with a post-war UK Prime Minister.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's go through the Prime Ministers. That's the easiest thing to do.
So Attlee, I'm saying no.

Speaker 4 Did you write a book about the modern history of the World Cup or the modern history of UK Prime Ministers?

Speaker 16 I don't know if you've read his books, Adam, but well, maybe you haven't.

Speaker 4 What I will tell you is the day that England lost to Iceland at the Euros, Jack and I wild the night away with Johnny Lou playing drinking games based around UK Prime Ministers. Wow.

Speaker 4 In a terrible bar beside the Gardino.

Speaker 18 Well, I was going to say, I was going to say, well, one of them is your own name, Ray Wilson, isn't it? That's.

Speaker 4 Okay, we're not doing an order, fine. Yeah.
Didn't go back to that in. Didn't factor this in at all.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Ray Wilson.

Speaker 4 Was there a Brown?

Speaker 4 Oh, yes.

Speaker 19 Jose Luis Brown, yeah.

Speaker 4 For Argentina in 86, yeah. So

Speaker 4 are we going to try and get the other one? Why not? Why not?

Speaker 4 Hang on.

Speaker 4 It hasn't been a Truss, hasn't been a Sunak,

Speaker 4 hasn't been a Starmer.

Speaker 4 A Johnson. A Johnson.
Has it been a Johnson?

Speaker 4 It hasn't been a Thatcher, Blair.

Speaker 13 Andy Blair didn't.

Speaker 14 The Sheffield Wednesday didn't win one, though.

Speaker 4 Ben Thatcher didn't.

Speaker 4 I don't think there's been a Cameron.

Speaker 2 No, I was thinking, could there be an Eden, but like in a foreign version of Eden? But

Speaker 2 I can't think of who that would be.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but let's go with

Speaker 2 Douglas Hume.

Speaker 1 You know, at the mercy of Charlie Eccleshare's laptop charger,

Speaker 1 we'll wrap this one up.

Speaker 1 Ray Wilson was correct, and of course, the entire purpose of this question was Jose Louis Brown, and that was correct as well.

Speaker 1 The third answer was pretty much a backup, really, and I thought we might end up having an argument about this, but it's Ian Calligan, a member of the 1966 World Cup when he was

Speaker 1 spelt the same as Callahan, so you would have been allowed that. And he did receive a medal, albeit decades later.
So he would have been an answer.

Speaker 11 I was there when he received a medal at, I think it was at Wembley for a game in Andorra. They all came on the pitch, and there you go.

Speaker 18 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have backed you to get it then. Okay, you're one for one.
Question two, please, Dave.

Speaker 1 Question two: Can you name two of the official match balls of the Premier League era?

Speaker 1 I want brand and model, please.

Speaker 4 Oh, goodness.

Speaker 2 I don't know this at all.

Speaker 4 No, not my area.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 13 I'm trying to think of names of these.

Speaker 4 Well, okay, so the first ball was a... I'm pretty sure it was a Mitre Delta, but did it have some extra bit on the end of that?

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, well, that's, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 Do we need more than Mitre Delta?

Speaker 1 Manufacture and model, so you know, like Nissan Micra, essentially, the football equipment of that.

Speaker 4 So, okay, let's say Mita Delta, and then

Speaker 2 I don't know what silly brand name all these Nike balls have.

Speaker 13 Well, what's that?

Speaker 16 The Fever Nova, is that a World Cup one, or is that a.

Speaker 4 I have a feeling that was a.

Speaker 4 Oh, but is it, is that

Speaker 4 Fever Nova feels Nike, but World Cup balls tend to be Adidas, I think.

Speaker 21 I think that's an Adidas one, yeah.

Speaker 10 Uh, Adidas Fever Nova is one that comes to mind.

Speaker 13 What was the obviously the famous one is the World Cup one?

Speaker 19 What's that? The Jabolani that

Speaker 23 Coxie got all excited about.

Speaker 4 Which are used in Germany the season before.

Speaker 19 Yes, but I don't think they use them here.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's a puma ball now. Have you any idea what that's called? No, no idea at all.

Speaker 1 Someone didn't read their promo emails in August?

Speaker 13 Didn't get sent them.

Speaker 4 No, no, no.

Speaker 4 Wow, you've really fallen off. Yeah, I have.
Don't worry. Yeah, that's why I'm here, Adam.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 4 let's guess a Nike one.

Speaker 4 Should we just say you just said

Speaker 4 what did you say, John? A fever Nova?

Speaker 10 Fever Nova was one ball that I remember.

Speaker 4 Nike, Fever Nova and Mitre Delta.

Speaker 1 My goodness.

Speaker 1 Dave, put them out of misery. I'm afraid you are incorrect on both counts.

Speaker 1 The Mitre balls, which spanned the first, well, from 92 to 2000, there were two of them, the Mitre Pro-Max or the Mitre Ultimax.

Speaker 24 Right.

Speaker 1 Then we're into the Nike era. You could have had Nike Geo Merlin, Nike Geo Merlin, Vapor, Nike, Nike Total 90.
Various derivations on total 90. Nike Maxim, Insight, Ordem,

Speaker 1 Merlin again, Flight for the last three or four years has been Nike Flight. And then this season the Puma Orbiter Ultimate.

Speaker 9 Quite apprentice team names, those

Speaker 4 nowhere near that. That's fine.

Speaker 1 That's the roller coaster of the cliché's quiz, I'm afraid, in those first two questions. One out of two so far.
Charlie, question three, please.

Speaker 9 Question three: The oldest surviving World Cup winners lifted the trophy at which tournament?

Speaker 4 Okay, so the oldest survivor from 1930 was Pancha Bavashu.

Speaker 1 This is amazing.

Speaker 14 They're They're going to be dead.

Speaker 10 Surely, 90.

Speaker 4 So, but he is dead.

Speaker 16 So, Charlie, you're saying the people that are oldest now?

Speaker 25 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 16 Still alive, yeah. So Jeff Hurst

Speaker 26 is the one remaining 66 guy, isn't he?

Speaker 4 So, are there any Brazilians from 62?

Speaker 4 It's hard to believe that there are.

Speaker 19 Well,

Speaker 13 Zagalo died at about 10 years.

Speaker 2 Isn't Zagalo still alive?

Speaker 4 I think he might still be alive. I think if he has died as recent, give him a ring.
No,

Speaker 4 I think he has died quite recently. But that means

Speaker 4 62 is plausible.

Speaker 4 I mean, Gwench has died early.

Speaker 27 Amarilda, I think, is gone.

Speaker 16 Guess who's dead?

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 4 62 is plausible.

Speaker 4 Ah, but hang on, a lot of the 62 side played in 58 as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so.

Speaker 4 So, okay, hang on. So Pele was 18 in 1958.
He's born in 1940. So he's actually, were he still alive, he'd only be 85.

Speaker 4 He was the youngest player on that team. Is it conceivable one of them is still alive? It's 1992? Yeah, I'd say it is.

Speaker 14 Is it possible?

Speaker 17 Vava or someone like that?

Speaker 22 Are they, you know?

Speaker 4 Do we need a player or just the World Cup?

Speaker 1 Just need to pick the year

Speaker 9 of the tournament.

Speaker 4 54, I think.

Speaker 14 54.

Speaker 4 You'd be talking 71 years on. I think it's hard to believe.

Speaker 2 I think the last one of them

Speaker 4 died a year or two ago. Right.

Speaker 4 54.

Speaker 4 Are we saying 58 or 62 then? Or are we thinking that

Speaker 4 Jeff Hurst is actually the oldest one?

Speaker 2 No, because a bigger fanfare would be made of Jeff Hurst if he was if he were that person. Okay.
So I think it's one of those two Brazilian. I think we've got to be Jeff Hurst, wouldn't we?

Speaker 14 We don't hear enough from him, really, do we?

Speaker 4 Over apologising.

Speaker 4 I think Nilton Santos is still alive. And he's

Speaker 4 58. So 58.
Let's say 58.

Speaker 9 Charlie. 1958 is the correct answer.

Speaker 14 Flawlessly worked out.

Speaker 2 Well done.

Speaker 1 Nilton Santos looked correct, but that's purely academic. It's Dino Sani, Pepe, Moa Sia, and Jose Altefini, the four surviving members of the 58 squad.

Speaker 4 Moacia Barbosa still alive. Are you sure?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, this is Wikipedia and it doesn't lie.

Speaker 4 That's incredible.

Speaker 17 Al Tefini, wow.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I didn't factor in this 58-62 dynamic. I wish I had.
Anyway, two out of three for you so far as we go into question four of round one. Now listen carefully.

Speaker 1 Brighton, Crystal Palace, Swansea City, Bristol City to the right. Aston Villa, Liverpool, Spurs, Derby County to the left.
Norwich City, bit of both. What am I talking about?

Speaker 1 Bristol City, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Bristol City to the right. Aston Villa, Liverpool, Spurs, Derby County to the left.

Speaker 2 Did you think it's Bristol City twice? Bit of both.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 it's the direction. Is it the direction that the animal on their badge looks? Adam looks perplexed at that, which makes me think it's horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 Do they all have looking? But it's a good guess.

Speaker 4 So Tottenham's Cockwell definitely looks to the left.

Speaker 2 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 4 Derby's Ram looks to the left. Liverpool's Liverbird looks left.
What was the other one to the left?

Speaker 2 Aston Villa. Aston Villa Lion.

Speaker 2 To the left, I reckon.

Speaker 4 Okay. And then to the right was Bristol City, so that's the Robin-y thing.

Speaker 2 Is it a Robin? What's the Swansea city animal?

Speaker 4 A swan.

Speaker 2 Oh, fuck, of course. Sorry.

Speaker 4 That's a great idea.

Speaker 2 Because Norwich is what? Two canaries.

Speaker 4 Have Norwich just changed their badge? Because it was like a loosely hand-drawn thing.

Speaker 26 Is it two canaries?

Speaker 4 Two canaries? I think it's only one, though, isn't it?

Speaker 14 I thought it was one, yeah.

Speaker 2 We're not going to do a better guess than this. I reckon this is the, I reckon this is a good.

Speaker 2 I reckon this is the best guess.

Speaker 4 Why is Norwich different? Why is Norwich a better?

Speaker 2 Because canaries have got two wings, and maybe if the head is centered,

Speaker 2 it's not trending one way or the other.

Speaker 4 It's not a head-on canary, though, is it?

Speaker 4 Like Jules 3D.

Speaker 4 Like it's sort of flown into your window.

Speaker 2 Perhaps there's two canaries, and they're like this.

Speaker 17 It's like Refcam, yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't think there are two. I think there's only one.
I think it's standing on a ball, isn't it? I haven't got a better guess, but... Are you going to go with it? Yes.

Speaker 4 It's the direction the animals and and their badge look.

Speaker 1 You're spot on.

Speaker 4 Come on, well done, Wilson.

Speaker 21 Well done.

Speaker 1 Absolutely spot on. Brian, Crystal Palace, Swansea, Bristol City all face the right.
Aston Villa, Liverpool, Spurs, Derby to the left.

Speaker 1 Derby County, incidentally, have changed the direction of their iconic ramp several times over the decades without any explanation whatsoever. They've just mirror-imaged it.
It's madness.

Speaker 4 Absolute madness. And so explain what the Norwich.

Speaker 1 So Norwich City, the canary faces to the right, and they have a little lion in the corner that faces the other way.

Speaker 4 Oh, okay. So yeah.

Speaker 1 Thanks to John Keogh for that question, by the way. Absolutely superbly supplied me with a full list for the 92 clubs as well.
Fair play to that. So, three out of four for you so far.

Speaker 1 Dave, give them question five, please. Question five:

Speaker 1 Name two of the three outfield players in Premier League history to stand six feet eight inches tall, according to Wikipedia.

Speaker 4 Two of the three outfield players. How tall's Peter Crouch? Is he six?

Speaker 27 Six, seven or eight. Seven?

Speaker 2 I thought six, seven on Wikipedia.

Speaker 19 I was going to say Zigich.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 21 Of Birmingham City.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's a good job.

Speaker 9 You love your massive front men.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 He's trying to trick us into thinking about front men. Think of defenders.

Speaker 4 Unless that's a terrible double bluff. That's what Charlie.

Speaker 17 Is there a Norwich guy?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 20 what was that guy called?

Speaker 11 I might be completely.

Speaker 29 I might be completely wrong. Tim Closer or someone like that is, you know.

Speaker 26 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Was he 6'A? Was he actual?

Speaker 25 I don't know if he was, but no.

Speaker 2 I can't think of many players who are taller than Crouch.

Speaker 30 How tall is Big Dan Byrne?

Speaker 13 Is he just a mere 6'5?

Speaker 2 I reckon 6'5' or 6'5.

Speaker 4 6'5, yeah.

Speaker 4 Isn't there another.

Speaker 4 Wasn't there a ladder wolves?

Speaker 4 Oh, Milias. Is it Milias? Do I mean Milias? I was thinking of a.

Speaker 4 I'm thinking of some former Yugoslav, a Balkan.

Speaker 13 Oh, Kaladzic.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he played Kaladzic.

Speaker 13 Yeah, he played the other day. Came on for 15 minutes.

Speaker 4 How tall is he?

Speaker 29 He's very, very tall.

Speaker 14 Oh.

Speaker 4 I think. Okay, the other logical way.
Look at this. The tallest nation in the world is the Dutch.
The second tallest is the Croatians.

Speaker 2 I can't think of many very tall Croatian Premier League era players, though.

Speaker 4 No, maybe not.

Speaker 13 We get the tricky inside forwards.

Speaker 22 Yeah.

Speaker 20 Crouch is quite

Speaker 27 short.

Speaker 29 Is he six foot seven?

Speaker 13 I think that's right, isn't it? That feels right.

Speaker 2 I'd be surprised if one wasn't crouchers because I don't imagine there'd be three taller players than Crouch.

Speaker 26 Is he six foot eight, though?

Speaker 4 Well, okay, the question, we're comfortable with Zigic, right? And then the question is: do we think Crouch is taller than Kaladzich? Who do we think is taller, Kaladzich or Crouch?

Speaker 4 Or should we go Zigic and Crouch?

Speaker 9 Perennial question.

Speaker 1 Two ACL injuries, Kaladzic. I was looking at some giraffes at the Safari Party yesterday.
Do they not do their ACLs all all right?

Speaker 26 He missed 568 days playing.

Speaker 18 Oh, there you go.

Speaker 4 Wow. You don't know his height, but you know how many days he's missed.

Speaker 15 I read the programme. You see, that's the.

Speaker 4 Why can't we think of any really tall defenders?

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, I can't think of any really tall defenders. Is that because once you get to a certain height, you somehow don't have the muscle mass to be able to kind of wrestle with a centre-forward?

Speaker 1 Chill out. This isn't LibreOx now.
Come on, you're on the cliche quit.

Speaker 13 I'm thinking of tall players, and you're like

Speaker 13 and midfielders.

Speaker 2 I assume we're not allowed Voltamada, who hasn't played yet.

Speaker 4 He's only 6'6 anyway, I think.

Speaker 1 He is Premier League registered.

Speaker 4 I'm pretty sure he's only 6'6.

Speaker 17 I'm trying to defend.

Speaker 18 You think there's people like Chris Samba and things like that, but he probably isn't that tall.

Speaker 1 Can I just push you on this now, please?

Speaker 4 Right, should we say, what should we say? Is it Zigicin Crouch or Zigicin Kladzic? John, you've seen Kladzic most recently.

Speaker 4 How tall is Klaus?

Speaker 2 He's taller than Peter Crouch, still growing. Have you seen him recently?

Speaker 16 Did you mean?

Speaker 30 I was in the stand, and he wasn't as tall, he wasn't as high up as I was.

Speaker 4 What way were you in?

Speaker 16 C.

Speaker 17 That's true.

Speaker 18 He is very tall, isn't he?

Speaker 2 I've been convinced out of Crouch. I reckon Zigic and Kaladzic.

Speaker 4 Zigic and Kladzic.

Speaker 1 Nikola Zigic is indeed 6'8, according to Wikipedia. Sasa Kaladjic

Speaker 1 is six foot seven.

Speaker 1 So it was close. Peter Crouch is not six foot eight.

Speaker 1 So you wouldn't have been able to get him either. The two that you missed were another Wolves, ex-Wolves, Bean Pole, Stefan Meyerhoffer,

Speaker 1 and former Everton

Speaker 1 big man Lassina Triore.

Speaker 1 Great elegant variation from you there, Dave.

Speaker 28 That's a great answer.

Speaker 14 Well, good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, we've given that a good crack. I don't feel embarrassed by that.

Speaker 18 So, yeah.

Speaker 12 Kaladzic, not as tall as you thought.

Speaker 22 That's the

Speaker 4 headline.

Speaker 1 Nenad Milias, by the way, just six foot.

Speaker 1 Right then, Libero, you finish that round with three points, and it's time for your opening round, please.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Name the four players who have won both the Premier League and the Euros this decade.

Speaker 13 This decade. Okay.

Speaker 1 Chiesa. Chiesa.
Yep.

Speaker 9 Jorginho never won the Premier League, hasn't won the Premier League, has he?

Speaker 9 Just starting with that Italy team, if there's anyone else.

Speaker 4 Just to be clear, they have to won both those competitions in this decade. In this decade, okay.

Speaker 1 Rodri.

Speaker 10 Rodri, yeah.

Speaker 1 Rodri's right, isn't it?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Came off at half-time in the final. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Who else from that Spain team?

Speaker 1 Italians are going to be thin on the ground, right?

Speaker 4 That's not.

Speaker 31 Well,

Speaker 9 it's not going to be Italy, because

Speaker 9 isn't it only like Balotelli and Chiesa who've ever won the only Italians who've won the Premier League, Visardi?

Speaker 4 Roderie.

Speaker 15 Unless there's a third, but I think.

Speaker 1 We're looking for a really obscure Spaniard here, I fear.

Speaker 1 Ah, fuck. They did have some fairly obscure.

Speaker 9 Oh, Ferran Torres. He must have won the Premier League and he was in that Spanish.
Definitely.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Fell into that city window, didn't he? I like that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm useless here.

Speaker 1 I have such a recent football, recent amnesia. I'm completely screwed.
David Silva wasn't still in the squad, was he? No.

Speaker 1 Who's already though? David Silva, he's gone.

Speaker 1 Deceased.

Speaker 1 Worried about a random Italian now, to be honest.

Speaker 9 I'm pretty sure, unless someone told me wrong recently that Keza and Balotelli.

Speaker 1 No other Italians at Liverpool. No other Italians at Man City.

Speaker 9 Yeah, exactly. They're the only teams that have won it, aren't they?

Speaker 9 Fuck, who's this other Spaniard?

Speaker 1 For City.

Speaker 1 Go back to that 1920 Liverpool team. Is there anyone in there we've forgotten about?

Speaker 9 Oh, that's a good shout.

Speaker 9 Spain for Liverpool.

Speaker 4 They've gone quiet. We're on top of here.

Speaker 9 Also, I'm not

Speaker 9 just clearing my head, I don't think he's even in, he's even from Spain, but just so I can get him out of my head. Who's that? The goalkeeper orteger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's German. He's not Spanish.

Speaker 9 Oh, it's really German, isn't he? Okay.

Speaker 9 Just thinking if there was like a random keeper

Speaker 9 walking around, who'd done it

Speaker 9 of Liverpool? Liverpool haven't had a Spanish player.

Speaker 1 Spanish players at Mass City other than Rodri.

Speaker 9 All Liverpool.

Speaker 1 I mean, like, was there a title? Was there someone winning the league for Liverpool?

Speaker 1 The centre-back,

Speaker 1 city centre-back.

Speaker 9 Oh, Amarit Laporte, yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2 I love it.

Speaker 2 I love all four.

Speaker 4 I love all four.

Speaker 1 Recite them one more time.

Speaker 9 Chiesa, Rodri, Ferran Torres, and I'm Eric Laporte.

Speaker 4 Final. Is correct.
Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 4 There's actually one other Premier League winner in that Spain squad. Oh, he didn't win the Premier League this decade, which is Jesus Navas.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 So 3-1, Jack.

Speaker 2 Three clubs have lost in the League Cup final and the FA Cup final in the same season. Name them.

Speaker 25 Sheffield Wednesday. Sheffield Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Leicester. No, Leicester Middlesbrough played each other.
Hang on.

Speaker 1 Hang on a minute. 97, I'm pretty sure, was the same finalists.
No, no. But no, Leicester

Speaker 4 Middlesbrough.

Speaker 1 Chelsea Middlesbrough played

Speaker 1 in the same final season.

Speaker 4 Didn't they? I think.

Speaker 25 Wait, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 9 No, hang on. Chelsea beat Middlesbrough in the FA Cup final.
97. Leicester won the League Cup final.

Speaker 4 Again, they beat Borough that year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think. I think they did, didn't they?

Speaker 9 And they got relegated. That's the year.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 Sheffield Wednesday, Borough, and one other team have lost both finals in the same season.

Speaker 1 If it's the 60s, we're fucked.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 9 we need this to be vaguely recent.

Speaker 4 Uh, oh my god.

Speaker 9 I mean, Adam, you know 80s football, I feel like. Were there any 80s and 80s?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I couldn't tell you league cup in the 80s, to be honest with you.

Speaker 16 I love it, really.

Speaker 29 You know, 80s.

Speaker 4 That's fantastic.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know the 80s better than anyone.

Speaker 1 You've been there, was it?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You experienced it firsthand.

Speaker 1 Arsenal lost in 88, but didn't lose the final.

Speaker 9 I mean, there might be a more recent one. We don't know that.

Speaker 10 What about...

Speaker 1 So who did Leicester beat when they won the FA Cup final?

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 1 A few years ago?

Speaker 25 Chelsea. The Chelsea.
The Chelsea.

Speaker 1 Did Chelsea also lose the League Cup final that year? Oh, against Liverpool.

Speaker 4 No, no, they didn't.

Speaker 9 It was the Spurs City final.

Speaker 19 What about Liverpool? Like Klopps Liverpool?

Speaker 1 Oh, or

Speaker 9 in 2012, Liverpool were in both finals,

Speaker 9 but they won the League Cup and then lost the FA Cup to Chelsea.

Speaker 25 What about Arsenal Birmingham?

Speaker 9 They won on penalties, didn't they?

Speaker 4 What about Arsenal Birmingham?

Speaker 1 Did they get to the FA Cup final that year?

Speaker 4 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 Liverpool lost the Carling Cup in 2005.

Speaker 9 But then United lost the FA Cup final.

Speaker 9 1675. Or is there a more re- again, like, just rule out the really recent ones? Who's like a nearly

Speaker 9 match? Or have Newcastle ever done it? It feels like the sort of thing they might have done in their

Speaker 9 70 years of hurt.

Speaker 1 90s.

Speaker 1 How many do you need to get?

Speaker 4 One more.

Speaker 4 Forrest.

Speaker 1 Forrest lost the FA Cup final in 1991.

Speaker 9 No, they didn't. Yes, they did.
Yeah, to Spurs.

Speaker 1 But they were good in the League Cup, weren't they? But I think they won the League Cup in 1991.

Speaker 1 No, Sheffield Wednesday won it in 1991. John Harkes scored the winner against

Speaker 1 possibly Insigning Forrest.

Speaker 27 John Sheridan, it was.

Speaker 1 John Shefford, thank you very much.

Speaker 4 What do I read into that?

Speaker 9 John Harkes did then score in the 93

Speaker 1 League Cup final, speaking of Sheffield Wednesday last saw. Who did Sheffield Wednesday beat in the 1991 League Cup final? I think it was Forrest.

Speaker 1 I can't think who else it... Or was it Man United?

Speaker 9 Just parking that because we may as well just find out the ones we know and don't know, and that's 90s onwards, isn't it?

Speaker 9 And then we can start doing that or just guessing at a 70s or 80s one because we're not going to know the one before that, I don't think.

Speaker 1 I'm only going to focus on that from now on because I literally can't think of anything else. In 1991, the FA Cup final was Spurs Forest, right? Forest lost.

Speaker 1 I think Forrest lost the 1991 League Cup final, which is for Wednesday, unless it was Man United. But Man United didn't lose the 91 League Cup final.
It would have been a bigger deal, right?

Speaker 9 Yeah, we'd have known. I think that would be, wouldn't that be talked about in the Fergie lore?

Speaker 6 Like, when we hear ex-pros talking about that,

Speaker 1 I can't. It's only Man United or Forest who Shefford Wednesday played in that final in 91.

Speaker 9 Okay, should we just rule out the, should we just rule out some other year just in case? I'm not like, and then we can go back. So 94

Speaker 4 leads.

Speaker 16 Because, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 No, that was 96. But 94, we can rule out because

Speaker 9 United won one, lost one.

Speaker 9 95, Everton lost the. Sorry, United lost the FA Cup final.

Speaker 9 The league cup, though was Liverpool won it against Bolton.

Speaker 9 96 we've done. 97 we've done 98

Speaker 9 Tottenham

Speaker 9 Tottenham Blackburn. No, Arsenal and the Arsenal beat Newcastle and then the League Cup it wasn't Newcastle.
It was Chelsea beating Middlesbrough again, I think.

Speaker 9 Oh, this could take forever. Should we just go with your thing?

Speaker 13 Should we just go with your

Speaker 1 let's go with Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough

Speaker 1 and Nottingham Forest.

Speaker 2 Shefford Wednesday is correct, 1992-93.

Speaker 2 Middlesbrough is correct, 1996, 1997.

Speaker 2 The third correct answer is Chelsea, 2021-22.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 1 Oh, the fucking told you.

Speaker 2 So you had it, and then you let it slip. So in 21-22...

Speaker 9 But that was the difference. That was the season after, wasn't it?

Speaker 2 They lost the League Cup final to Liverpool on penalties, and they lost the FA Cup final to Liverpool on penalties.

Speaker 4 Oh, lads, yeah, lads, lads, lads.

Speaker 4 And John, do you want to tell them who

Speaker 4 Sheffield Wednesday beat him in 1991?

Speaker 13 Manchester United, I was there.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 2 You kind of had it, and then Charlie got like 2021, like

Speaker 2 City Tottenham League Cup final was 2021, not 2022. So you lost.

Speaker 9 But I thought what was suggested was 2021.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I suggested Leicester, not Liverpool. So

Speaker 9 Leicester was the 2021 season.

Speaker 1 None of us were right.

Speaker 2 It's fine. Oh, I thought you were closer.

Speaker 1 That is the maximum amount of time we're allowed to spend dissecting that. Okay, it remains to rewan.

Speaker 4 Question three:

Speaker 4 Two sides have been managed by both Harry Redknapp and Ray Wilkins.

Speaker 1 Who? Name them both. One of them is Jordan.
And the other one is QPR.

Speaker 9 QPR.

Speaker 1 QPR and Jordan.

Speaker 4 It's correct.

Speaker 2 No banter required on that one.

Speaker 2 When you get the answer that quickly, there's

Speaker 2 QPR and Jordan.

Speaker 1 It's like a Premier League starter kit for the 1990s.

Speaker 23 Which Jordan, I suppose, is the question.

Speaker 2 Question four.

Speaker 2 The pub team from Top Soap Emmerdale once played a match against a side managed by which Yorkshire-born former Premier League player?

Speaker 1 Again, please.

Speaker 2 The pub team from Top Soap Emmerdale once played a match against a side managed by which Yorkshire-born former Premier League player?

Speaker 1 The Wallpack.

Speaker 4 Fictionally or in real life?

Speaker 4 In the soap.

Speaker 4 We give you one extra clue, which is this player was signed out of the Royal Navy by Ian St John.

Speaker 4 In real life.

Speaker 4 That would have been a very odd twist for Emma Delta.

Speaker 2 Inserting Ian St. John into the freaking universe.

Speaker 4 Yorkshire.

Speaker 1 Yorkshire-born.

Speaker 1 Former Premier League player. Yeah, the only player I know who was in the Navy before becoming a Premier League player was Guy Whittingham.

Speaker 1 And even then, I think he was the Army.

Speaker 4 So.

Speaker 1 Right, Yorkshire-born.

Speaker 9 Yorkshire-born, I mean, presumably this is very early Premier League.

Speaker 1 Did you say this player? He played in the Premier League, this guy.

Speaker 1 Ian Sir John.

Speaker 1 I don't know who Ian Cent John managed, to be honest. I don't remember his name, you were coming in.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 he was in the Navy, this guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Yorkshire-born.

Speaker 1 What's he doing in the Navy?

Speaker 14 Serving his country.

Speaker 9 A little thing called serving his country.

Speaker 23 We used to care about that sort of thing.

Speaker 9 So, who would be in Emmerdale Yorkshire-born?

Speaker 1 It's not going to be.

Speaker 1 It's got to be somebody with a bit of profile, hasn't it? He managed the team that played the team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he managed the opponents of the Wolpax.

Speaker 9 Was there an early Leeds player, an early Premier League Leeds player? Because then he might have won the league with them, so would have some heft.

Speaker 1 Batty wasn't Yorkshire-born, was he?

Speaker 4 And wasn't he?

Speaker 14 Who was Weatherall from?

Speaker 1 I like it. He seems quite navy-y.
navy-y.

Speaker 4 He does, doesn't he? But why is he going to be 11 days?

Speaker 9 He's fucking old all the time. He's not in Emma Dale, is he?

Speaker 1 This is awful. This is awful.

Speaker 4 I've got nothing.

Speaker 1 Absolutely nothing. Brian Dean?

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 Where was he born?

Speaker 1 I think I've got nothing. Could be anyone.

Speaker 1 I don't think you even think I'll kick myself about this whatsoever. There'll be no

Speaker 4 Stuart Merriman. Gotta be.

Speaker 1 David Wetherall. I like it.
Let's go for David Wetherall.

Speaker 2 The correct answer is Chris Kamara.

Speaker 4 Of course.

Speaker 4 And before people write in, he was born in Middlesbrough, which, when he was born, was part of the North Riding of Yorkshire, was not part of Cleveland, which it became after the 1974

Speaker 4 municipal government act of Ted Heath.

Speaker 12 And I think David Wetherall was at university, I think, when he became a footballer as well. So there you go.

Speaker 4 He's my mate Peter's cousin. You might have met at the wedding.
Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

Speaker 25 I know Pete.

Speaker 4 Oh, that.

Speaker 9 No, that one, I'd the one before was we just were careless with.

Speaker 9 We should have thought about research.

Speaker 1 Should we book David Wetherall or Chris Kamara?

Speaker 9 Wetherall's had the iconic Premier League moment, that goal that kept Bradford up.

Speaker 4 Both play for Bradford.

Speaker 1 Anyway, 3-2 it remains to Libero.

Speaker 4 Place in order. You remember how well this question went last time.

Speaker 4 Place in order from smallest to greatest.

Speaker 4 Number of matches played at the inaugural Africa Cup of Nations in 1957.

Speaker 4 Number of different nationalities of managers to have won the Premier League.

Speaker 4 The number of times an Irish manager has won the English League title.

Speaker 4 The number of different stadiums used at the 1930 World Cup.

Speaker 4 And the number of Serie A games lost by Perugia in 1978-9.

Speaker 1 Right, well, Perugia famously unbeaten, but didn't win the league 78-79, so it's a zero. So they are smallest.

Speaker 1 Nationalities of Premier League winning managers, we can do this, obviously. So we're going for...

Speaker 25 Scottish, French,

Speaker 9 then Portuguese.

Speaker 1 German. Well, let's do it in order to.

Speaker 9 Italian.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 9 So, wait, so Portuguese was fourth, I think.

Speaker 25 Wait, was it? No, Scottish, Scottish, French, Portuguese.

Speaker 9 Italian.

Speaker 9 Franchalotti. Yep.

Speaker 4 Then.

Speaker 9 Chilean.

Speaker 9 Italian again, yeah, and then Chilean.

Speaker 9 So that's five.

Speaker 13 So that takes us to 2014.

Speaker 9 And 2015, Wesmunio again, Scottish.

Speaker 1 Spanish and German.

Speaker 14 So is that it?

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's Dutch.

Speaker 14 And Dutch.

Speaker 9 So eight.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Pruges is zero.

Speaker 1 Nationalities for the Premier League is eight.

Speaker 1 Irish managers to win the English league title.

Speaker 9 So is that Irish managers total, Jonathan, or

Speaker 9 sort of leagues won by teams?

Speaker 4 No, no, just a number of different managers.

Speaker 9 Number of different managers, cool.

Speaker 1 I don't know a single Irish manager to won the league title.

Speaker 4 That's not going to be

Speaker 1 none of the Liverpool managers were Irish, as far as I know.

Speaker 4 Arsenal.

Speaker 9 It's basically only Herbert Chapman and

Speaker 9 then the modern ones and then who's the manager in 71?

Speaker 4 Don't think he was Irish. Maybe he was.

Speaker 4 I don't know. Who was that?

Speaker 14 Okay,

Speaker 1 stadiums in 1930.

Speaker 9 I mean, I wonder if we've got the highest and the lowest already and everything else just fits in.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, so it's, well, yeah, it's a coin toss, really, because I don't, yeah, to a certain extent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think there were more than eight stadiums at the 30 World Cup, and I don't think there were more than eight Irish managers who won the league title in England.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, I think you've also got games played at the inaugural.

Speaker 1 Yes, there it is. Number of games played at AFCON.

Speaker 1 Let's go super small with that. Let's assume it's a bit like Euro 1960, which was like four games officially.

Speaker 9 Well, I reckon the Irish managers thing is probably the lowest after after zero.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's put that at one. And then I would say more games at AFC more stadiums at 1930 than there were games at AFCON.

Speaker 9 You reckon? How many how many games were there at 1930 World Cup? Do we have any sense? Just thinking how many

Speaker 9 how much stadia would be needed?

Speaker 1 It was fairly hefty.

Speaker 4 It was fairly no, it wasn't we're not talking like sort of four, six teams.

Speaker 1 I think it it

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that order's probably a good bet. Perugia, Irish, Afghan Stadiums

Speaker 1 managers. Perugia, Irish,

Speaker 1 Afghan,

Speaker 1 1930 stadiums,

Speaker 1 Premier League nationalities.

Speaker 4 So Perugia were unbeaten in 1978-9.

Speaker 4 There were indeed eight different nationalities of Premier League.

Speaker 4 Eight of the nationalities have won the Premier League. The number of Irish managers to win the top division is one.
Bob Kyle with Sunday in 1912-13.

Speaker 1 That was Sunderland, yep.

Speaker 1 Kevin Colsley.

Speaker 4 Go on. Well, he was Scottish, but

Speaker 4 Fray Hackleton.

Speaker 4 There were three stadiums used in 1930.

Speaker 4 Which means that if a number of games at the Cup of Nations in 1957 is between one and three, you have have the point.

Speaker 4 So, four teams played,

Speaker 4 and in those four games, those four teams were drawn into semi-finals.

Speaker 4 Egypt beat Sudan,

Speaker 4 but South Africa were expelled because it wouldn't feel a mixed-race team, meaning that Ethiopia got a bye to the final with only two games of the initial

Speaker 4 Cup of Nations. And so, you were correct, and it's 3-3 at the end of the answer.
I also realize we got that question correct.

Speaker 1 Fantastic,

Speaker 1 brilliant explanation.

Speaker 1 Just pure Wilson. Absolutely pure Wilson.
Sunderland, Afcon, everything ticked off there.

Speaker 1 3-3.

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Speaker 1 Welcome back to the clichés quiz. We are locked at 3-3.

Speaker 1 Round two is the audio round. Let's kick things off with question one for Libero.
Libero, who is this? Dubbed into German.

Speaker 37 Schaft is up. Schafte in

Speaker 37 Diesen Wachene.

Speaker 1 Slightly worrying results

Speaker 1 dubbing this guy into German, but still.

Speaker 2 I'm struggling. There's definitely a Vokenander there in the middle somewhere.

Speaker 20 They said Watsurija.

Speaker 2 There's definitely a Vokenander.

Speaker 4 Did he say Schaff or Schlaf?

Speaker 4 If it's Schlaf, it's like sleep is over or something.

Speaker 4 But it means Schaff means what? Sharp, I think.

Speaker 4 Schaff is up.

Speaker 20 It sounds like a sort of Pep Guardiola rant,

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 it's this weekend? Yeah, please.

Speaker 1 As is always the case in these ones, I can tell you that the dubbing is very faithful in terms of accent and tone of voice.

Speaker 37 Shaft is up! Schaft is

Speaker 37 up! Schaft in and Diesel and we're in the Lenderspee Powers up while a Vietlosen loss is un einer Zeitfer Schwendel.

Speaker 4 Sonny Vietlos means will go wrong, I think. Like Vasis Law says what is wrong.
Viet is become, so become wrong. So this

Speaker 1 shaft.

Speaker 4 Shaft is up.

Speaker 1 Is that not to do with team?

Speaker 4 You know?

Speaker 4 Oh man shaft, yeah, okay. The team is team is this this weekend.

Speaker 2 It does have that kind of pep intensity. I really don't have

Speaker 2 based on what we know.

Speaker 4 The team is this weekend over. Something is going wrong.

Speaker 20 It just reminds me of Pep in a sort of Amazon documentary or something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Unguarded Pep.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 I mean if the accent is

Speaker 4 similar though, is that Pepper?

Speaker 15 Or is it Pepper?

Speaker 12 Is it Warnock? Obviously, very similar.

Speaker 13 It's some sort of dressing room.

Speaker 29 It sounds like that same thing, doesn't it?

Speaker 4 Quite high-pitched, though. Yeah, I think it's too high-pitched for Warnock.
Having been on the receiving end of a Neil Warnock barrage,

Speaker 4 I didn't feel like Warnock.

Speaker 10 On the end of a barrage.

Speaker 21 Okay, well, that's one for later. But yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 In a quiz scenario as well. Alright, okay.

Speaker 13 Not today, not today.

Speaker 23 Not today, not today.

Speaker 13 We know how long these stories can go go on for.

Speaker 25 We'll stick that in Dreamland.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Save it for your other eight podcasts.

Speaker 13 He's recording the other seven later.

Speaker 17 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Are we going to say Pep then? Have we gone a few minutes?

Speaker 4 I can't do any better than that. Okay, Pep Guardiola.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty similar, I would say.

Speaker 4 Scrap it.

Speaker 37 Scrap VAR.

Speaker 38 Scrap it this weekend over the international break because it's worthless, pointless, a total waste of time.

Speaker 1 Jeff Stelling, in fact. I thought it was very Jeff Stellingy, actually.
So I'm surprised you didn't get the tone of voice, but if you don't know it, you don't know it. Right.
3-3, it remains.

Speaker 1 Question 2 in the audio round. Who are Richard Keys, Andy Gray, and Jason McAteer talking about here?

Speaker 39 What we believe is he's not a lover of football, so it doesn't really phase him, I don't think. He wouldn't be the first.
No, we wouldn't.

Speaker 4 Many. So I think we've got to respect.

Speaker 40 Well, like the game, they're not interested in the game, but they were good at it.

Speaker 39 Yeah, you have to respect his decision. and you know, it's a right to do it.

Speaker 6 He has a right to do it.

Speaker 13 Is it the right thing? Not for me, no.

Speaker 4 Have you talked about Ben White? Is that Ben White refusing to play for England?

Speaker 2 I was thinking, yeah, I mean, my initial guess was Gareth Bale, who was obviously like castigated for not liking football. But I think

Speaker 10 that's the thing is, McAteer appearing on that show is sort of only recently, isn't it?

Speaker 26 And is

Speaker 11 Bale a bit?

Speaker 4 Which also, it sounds like it's a specific decision that's been taken. Whereas Bail is sort of a long drift, and then we've got rid of him.

Speaker 17 Someone's really used to do something.

Speaker 2 It could be City VM. It looks like you could easily date it to 2022 World Cup.
Discussion point.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, so the stadium in the background,

Speaker 4 where do you think that was? It looked a bit

Speaker 2 to me.

Speaker 2 Can we see it again?

Speaker 4 You think it's Lisa? Okay,

Speaker 2 I'd like to say it again.

Speaker 1 Can you have another go? Not in the spirit of podcasting quizzing, but

Speaker 39 What we believe is he's not a lover of football, so it doesn't really phase him, I don't think. He wouldn't be the first.
No, we wouldn't.

Speaker 4 There's plenty of players.

Speaker 4 So I think we've got to respect.

Speaker 40 Well, like the game, they're not interested in the game, but they were good at it.

Speaker 39 Yeah, you have to respect his decision. And, you know, it's a good idea.
He has a rate to do.

Speaker 6 He has a rate to do it.

Speaker 2 That wasn't as obviously a Qatar World Cup stadium as I thought. Weirdly, does that look more like the Etihad?

Speaker 12 It does look like the Etsy Had.

Speaker 19 But it could be City V Arsenal, couldn't it?

Speaker 26 So that's the, you know, that's.

Speaker 4 Is there any other

Speaker 4 player who's retired prematurely? In fact, it sounds like retirement from international football, right? Is there any other player who's retired prematurely from international football recently?

Speaker 12 It doesn't happen as often as it used to, does it?

Speaker 9 By the way, I also love you saying it's at the Etihad, as if where they are, when it is, has anything to do with what Richard Keys and Andy Gray are going to be talking?

Speaker 14 They do not operate by those kind of constraints.

Speaker 27 Well, this is very true.

Speaker 17 That's very true, Charlie.

Speaker 2 I think White is a better guess than Bale.

Speaker 4 Yeah, should we go with that? Ben White retiring from

Speaker 4 declining a call-up for England.

Speaker 1 Let's find out.

Speaker 41 Benjamin White has the right to turn his country down. Do you understand why he has?

Speaker 39 The right to make any decision that's right for him.

Speaker 1 Benjamin White, indeed.

Speaker 2 Well done.

Speaker 1 4-3, Libreo lead. Question 3.
In tribute to your Libero colleague Miguel Delaney. Who is this? Dubbed into Spanish.

Speaker 8 I don't want to comment as if we are considering some

Speaker 8 y después sera faciil hablar de esto.

Speaker 42 El first nobiembre jugaron contra whole city y el senor Ferguson el entrenador recibi una sanción de dos partidos a multa de esmir libras después de confrontar a mike din el arbitro.

Speaker 2 That sounds like Rafa Benitez talking English dubbed into Spanish.

Speaker 17 It's Rafa Benitez when he went on some

Speaker 14 it's the sort of thing.

Speaker 4 Oh, it is, yeah, yeah. Can you even hear the rattle of the paper near the end?

Speaker 10 Yeah, but it's it's that you know, I've it's when he was told by the club,

Speaker 16 was it that one where they told, I am concentrating on the game with all city?

Speaker 4 No, no, that's a different rant, that's a different rant. It's a raffer rant, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 This is the well, this is the Mr. Ferguson bit, isn't it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so he was banned for two games and fined a certain amount in November for confronting El Abitro Mike Dean.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he, yeah, it's yes, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 Fair play, you've transcribed it verbatim. Let's find out.

Speaker 43 So, I want to be clear that I don't want to play mine games too early. And I think that they want to start.
So I was taking some fats and then it will be easy to talk about this.

Speaker 43 November 1st, they play against Holt City.

Speaker 2 And Mr.

Speaker 43 Ferguson, the manager, was

Speaker 43 too much touchline banned and fined with £10,000

Speaker 43 after confronting Mike Dean, the referee.

Speaker 1 Do you know what? I'm pleased that you got that on the back of the rustling of the papers.

Speaker 4 That, again, is great logic. Do you know what?

Speaker 1 I almost muted Ferguson's name in that to make it slightly harder, but I'm annoyed that I didn't. But anyway, it's 5-3 to Libero, and we're going to question 4.

Speaker 1 Who is Richard Keyes talking about here?

Speaker 41 This is all about me, me,

Speaker 5 this is all show.

Speaker 2 Go down the channel.

Speaker 41 Let the lads enjoy the video.

Speaker 7 They deserve

Speaker 41 to be on the coach and go through his coaching manual. with each and every individual that he comes across.
No, that's fair.

Speaker 41 Perhaps like Arteta, he should learn a little bit from previous misbehavior and just say, I'm going to grow up and do things a bit differently now.

Speaker 2 Look at this. Hmm.

Speaker 17 Learning from Arteta.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So it seems like a manager who's behaved in a certain way towards his players, right?

Speaker 2 Who's a manager who's stopped his players from doing something that they wanted to do, or a manager who stopped his players from celebrating, or

Speaker 4 he's sort of giving them some kind of coaching advice when they just want to sort of celebrate the win. Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 Exactly. Exactly that.
But

Speaker 4 it's obviously got to be recent if he's saying learn from Arteta.

Speaker 2 So it can't be, I'd be shocked if it was Pep because Keys wouldn't patronise Pep. It's got to be someone who Keys thinks he can patronise, like a sub-pep.

Speaker 1 But I think the Keys' patronisation threshold incredibly generous from either.

Speaker 24 Yeah, that was true.

Speaker 13 Great, it's an entertainment thing.

Speaker 23 It's quite an interesting

Speaker 9 very insightful point from him, yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah, yeah, well, it's

Speaker 2 who's a boring, who's like a boring manager who they would think hasn't won enough to be able to behave how he wants? Well, it's not going to be restricts the players.

Speaker 4 It's not going to be a moisie, is it? It's got to be some it's probably somebody foreign. Somebody young or foreign or both.

Speaker 22 It's got to be foreign. I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 I mean, like Ruben Seller, like a higher Ruben Sellers, basically.

Speaker 13 Hasn't been a lot of that recently.

Speaker 12 Celebrate.

Speaker 4 So it's got to be over the last couple of seasons, right? Because otherwise the Arteta thing wouldn't make any sense. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's surely not schlot, is it? It can't be.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 10 i think they come out like the

Speaker 4 uh um i mean the only thing would be if it was schlott after the goodison thing that his sort of on-pitch stuff but it doesn't feel right that it seems totally feels wrong not artistic not artetta obviously not pet it's the bit about going to sit with your coaching manual that is propagasian uh

Speaker 4 swallowed a laptop not Eddie Harris somebody like Hertzler

Speaker 4 yeah is Hertzler done

Speaker 2 have anything like this last season no Hertz

Speaker 4 could could it be Deserby I mean Deserve Deserbi's kind of a.

Speaker 13 Ah, that's a good one.

Speaker 4 But I mean, I don't remember an instant. It just feels good.

Speaker 4 Herzler's Irayola wouldn't have done it. I think

Speaker 4 Marco Silva.

Speaker 4 Nuno.

Speaker 21 Definitely not.

Speaker 4 Emery?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 4 Not Eddie Howe.

Speaker 4 Who else won a game in the Premier League last season?

Speaker 4 Not Ivan Jurich.

Speaker 14 Muscle Martin? No.

Speaker 2 I reckon we're looking for someone in that Herzler Deserby space within the Keys patronising threshold.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I can't think of a specific example this would relate to.

Speaker 1 We're going to have to go for one. Come on.

Speaker 4 I mean, Deserby did have some odd things with playing Sydney.

Speaker 2 I reckon it's that.

Speaker 4 Should we go Deserby? Okay, yeah. Yeah.
Roberto Der Zerby.

Speaker 1 Go for Roberto Deserby. The answer.
This is from January 2024.

Speaker 1 A late, late 3-2 win at St James's Park for Pep Guardiola's Manchester City.

Speaker 2 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 There we go. Right, 5-3 it remains.
You've got one more chance to extend your lead in the audio round, round two. Question five: In tribute to your Libero colleague, James Horncastle.
Who is this?

Speaker 1 Dubbed into Italian.

Speaker 20 Okay, well, Robbie Savage stands out there, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 Why, what's the famous bit of audio where Savage is the punchline?

Speaker 2 There's lots of talk about like players with a low level and stuff.

Speaker 4 Why would Savage be the line? Be together? There's a lot of junto.

Speaker 2 Why would Savage be what's the what's the

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think of times where Savage has been the punchline in a famous quote?

Speaker 26 I mean, who would who would dig out Robbie Savage?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 18 apart from most of the known universe, but what can anyone have against?

Speaker 4 Robbie Savage.

Speaker 17 He did a fine job for Macclesfield FC.

Speaker 19 But

Speaker 29 is it a mourinho

Speaker 12 that

Speaker 12 some sort of

Speaker 18 you know, responding to some column or something that give it to you one more time.

Speaker 1 To be clear, the laughing is not dubbed into Italian.

Speaker 20 No, that's just normal press conference kephoring, isn't it?

Speaker 1 I think a good question

Speaker 1 would be to guess one of the laughers because I actually reckon you can do it.

Speaker 4 Doesn't sound like Joe Say, though, does it?

Speaker 2 Do you think it could be like when, obviously with Rafa they gave us a Spanish manager talking English dubbed into Spanish? Might this be an Italian manager talking English dubbed into an Italian?

Speaker 2 The same could they play the same joke twice?

Speaker 13 So though Enzo Maresca or

Speaker 4 Enzo Maresca has never done a joke in his life.

Speaker 26 Not about Robbie Savage, you wouldn't have thought.

Speaker 13 Does he heard of Robbie Savage?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's got to be a wily. It's a bit Conte.

Speaker 4 Could it be? Yeah, maybe. Tonally Conte.

Speaker 2 It doesn't sound tonally Conte.

Speaker 2 I can't remember Conte Savage spat ever, but you know,

Speaker 2 the little bits you can make out banging on about, like, you know, the level is low. That's something that Conte always

Speaker 2 used to say.

Speaker 4 But I mean, he comes in doing this football after Savage has stopped playing.

Speaker 4 Did Savage was Savage manager of that Derby team at the end? No, no.

Speaker 4 He was in that Derby team, wasn't he? He was in that Derby team.

Speaker 10 He was, but I mean, that was.

Speaker 13 Conte came in 2016,

Speaker 13 at which point Robbie Savage was fairly ubiquitous.

Speaker 2 You're a football columnist.

Speaker 26 Fairly ubiquitous on TV.

Speaker 1 Come on, lads.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Conte.

Speaker 1 Antonio Conte is your answer. Over to Stanford Bridge, we go.

Speaker 45 When certain other people speak, no.

Speaker 45 Maybe not. Maybe I don't listen.

Speaker 45 Maybe I don't take it on the gym when players have not had a career, have played at a really bad level throughout their career and come for people that have achieved what I've achieved in the game.

Speaker 45 You know, Robbie Safage being one.

Speaker 1 That's definitely Cotterill at the end, isn't it? Definitely.

Speaker 20 Laughed. That is so embarrassing.

Speaker 16 Robbie Savage played at quite a high level.

Speaker 23 That's pretty disrespectful.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just a strange way of phrasing it.

Speaker 4 It played at a bad level.

Speaker 1 Anyway, 5-3 is Libero's lead after their round two. Can we have our round two, please?

Speaker 4 So your round two,

Speaker 4 they're all footballers or football people in adverts, but dubbed into various languages. So the first one,

Speaker 4 Who is This?

Speaker 4 I think you'll get this one. Who is this? Dubbed into Spanish.

Speaker 46 Chicos tenemos un problema.

Speaker 46 El Je fedigo que un nuevo diablo estálle grando. El'conocido.
Formoso en todo el mundo.

Speaker 46 Y que an dicho del

Speaker 7 dicen que.

Speaker 9 That's rooney, isn't it?

Speaker 1 So that's the wine advert, isn't it?

Speaker 9 That's the rooney one, isn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Should we hear it again just in case?

Speaker 1 Diablo or something.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, it's just right.
It's fine.

Speaker 4 Heffey.

Speaker 4 Tenemoson, probably ever. Yes, that's why I'm really advertising Cassieo del Diablo, some of the worst wine ever put in bottles.

Speaker 4 Right, five four.

Speaker 4 Question two. Can you name both of these people dubbed into German?

Speaker 47 Darfich Mal Euera of Maxan Keit Harbenpitter, Danker. Ichwill das Eerfon anfang an Folderbeiseit.

Speaker 48 Bobby,

Speaker 1 I think that's Bobby Robson.

Speaker 9 Bobby Robson was definitely in there.

Speaker 4 Oh, I think I know who it is.

Speaker 1 I know what it is. It's the Carlsberg advert.
Bobby Robson's the manager, and it's like, and the phone's ringing during the

Speaker 1 no? It's the yellow pages. It's Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, and Terry Venables.
No, it's not. I promise you it's not.
I'll tell you why, for two reasons.

Speaker 1 One, he lists all the players who are playing in that team. So it's, I think,

Speaker 1 Chrissy, Chrissy Waddle, and they're the players in Bobby Robson's team.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, and then the phone goes off to the dressing room.

Speaker 1 And then he says, yeah, sorry, that was my mum. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's Terry Butcher's phone who rings.

Speaker 1 So 99% sure that it's the Carlsberg pub team advert, like the best.

Speaker 4 Because there's also a gaffer in there. You can hear someone, yeah, it's 100% Bobby Robson, no question.

Speaker 1 Bobby Charles in the team, yeah, that's your answer.

Speaker 4 So, what who are the two people you say? Oh, sorry, we need to do two people.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, yeah, okay, uh, we will have to hear it again.

Speaker 47 Sorry, Davisch Mal Euera of Max and Keit Harben Pitter, Dunke, Ichwill, Das Erfon Unfang an Folder by Zeit, Bobby, Allen, Chris, Kainer angst from Apshos, yeah, Allen Missen Decken, Verfolden, Untaken, the Sonderstool, Bobby, the Sonderstool, Jackie, Stewart, Merch.

Speaker 51 En Suidigung, Gaffer,

Speaker 1 It's Stuart Pierce, I think. It's Piercy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Stuart Pierce.

Speaker 1 Bobby Robson and Stuart Pierce.

Speaker 4 It is correct.

Speaker 4 And it's a Carling advert, not Carlsberg. Oh!

Speaker 4 Really? But I think so. No, no, it's Carlsberg.
It's if Carlsberg is a bad person. Okay, sorry.
Then I've written it down wrongly.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I wasn't going to dock any points anyway.

Speaker 1 Five, five.

Speaker 4 Question three.

Speaker 4 Who is this? Dubbed into Spanish.

Speaker 1 All I got there was one of the best players in Great Britain.

Speaker 9 Great Britain, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought it was the deepness made me think it was Figo. So, you think like a Nike advert or something like that? He's done like just for men and stuff, hasn't he? Or Gillette?

Speaker 9 It wasn't there was that Nike Scorpion

Speaker 9 campaign around 2002.

Speaker 1 Oh, it does sound quite Cantonari. It does sound quite Cantonari.

Speaker 1 Shit, one more time. Oh, yeah, that is a good shout.

Speaker 9 Yeah, let's hear it again.

Speaker 46 Aquí en al Sacia, las cosas son un poco differentes. Los cultivadores de lupulo son como los futbolistas en Gran Bretana.
Son celebrados, observados, y do las trados y adorados.

Speaker 46 Si, sebaña en el las aguas que la lidas de suexito.

Speaker 4 Y porquelo?

Speaker 1 I think it's Cantona.

Speaker 9 Yeah, and isn't that bit about trying to find the best footballers in Great Britain or something?

Speaker 1 So, what specifically do we need to know the advert? We need to know the advert, right?

Speaker 4 No, just a person. Oh, okay.
Just a person.

Speaker 1 I'm happy with Cantona. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, go that.

Speaker 1 Eric Cantenar.

Speaker 4 It is Eric Cantenar. It's the Cronenberg advert where he says here the hot pickers are celebrated like footballers in England.

Speaker 1 Ah, yes. England, there we are.
Right. 6-5.

Speaker 4 Or Britain, maybe he says, yeah, maybe it says Britain. Sorry.

Speaker 1 6-5 we lead.

Speaker 4 Oh, dear.

Speaker 4 Who is this? Dubbed into French.

Speaker 52 Je suis enjoier de faut. Pars unverde de cinéma.
Je va je estêtre pien dà pau.

Speaker 1 All I heard it was cinema. One more.

Speaker 4 I'm a footballer.

Speaker 52 Je ven justêtre bien d'un la pau.

Speaker 1 It's not David Ginlar in his Just for Men advert or something like that, is it? It sounds a bit Ginnilla. I am.
So I am a football player. And something like being in a film.

Speaker 1 I'm not a film star or something like that.

Speaker 4 Oh, I'm a footballer.

Speaker 9 I'm not a movie star. I just want to feel good about the way I look.
It's David Ginla.

Speaker 1 Spot on.

Speaker 4 That is David Ginler advertising L'Oreal. Tremendous.
And we did the same trick on you as you did on us, and it didn't fool either of us. How annoying!

Speaker 4 7-5.

Speaker 4 7-5, and your final question of this round: who is this dubbed into Norwegian?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's it.

Speaker 1 that sounds like Peter Schmichel at the end?

Speaker 4 Does it?

Speaker 1 Advertising bacon.

Speaker 31 There was that ad where he

Speaker 9 pretended to be a farmer, didn't he?

Speaker 4 Something like that. Yes, he did.

Speaker 9 He's dressed up in all Dame Pack.

Speaker 14 All the garns.

Speaker 1 No, it was for a Reebok advert, I think, when he dressed up as a farmer.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because they got them.

Speaker 22 There were a few of them as well, but either way, I think it's Schmichel.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't get Schmeichel at all, but I didn't hear a single word to translate, to be honest, so I'm happy to go with that. Peter Schmeichel.

Speaker 4 That is Peter Schmeichel advertising Dame Pack. David Walker.
Come on.

Speaker 1 Bringing home the bacon. Fantastic.

Speaker 4 Was he a flower salesman at Reebok?

Speaker 1 Oh, I think it was Ryan Giggs.

Speaker 13 That was Giggsy, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I've got a feeling he was selling something by the side of the road. There's definitely something in that.

Speaker 9 He was doing the flowers, I think. And then I'm pretty sure it was like a farmer.

Speaker 4 Schmidter's on the farm. Farmer, okay, yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, that was a disastrous round. We have to have our producer shot for that sales farm.

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Speaker 1 Welcome back to the business end of the 21st Football Clichés Quiz. Cliches lead Libero, eight points to five as we go into the third and final round.

Speaker 1 Your third and final round of course is Happy Hunting Grounds. We're going to alternate in this final round, so one question each until we reach the denouement.

Speaker 1 For Happy Hunting Grounds you will choose a difficulty level between one and three for each question and I will give you a combination of Premier League team and Premier League Stadium.

Speaker 1 You've got to tell me who has scored for that team at that Premier League Stadium and the season in which it happened.

Speaker 1 No answers from the 2024-25 season will be accepted. That rule will continue for the foreseeable.

Speaker 1 Right then, for question one, what difficulty level would you like?

Speaker 4 I'm assuming 25-6 is also ruled out as a class. Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 That would be mad.

Speaker 4 Well, we're three points behind. I'm guessing they're going to get around about six points than their questions minimum.
So I think we need to get at least enough

Speaker 4 to have a chance. So I think we've got to go threes.
We've got to go threes and hope we get three of the five.

Speaker 4 That's the only way we've got a chance, I think, unless anybody's got. Right.
Three of them, please. Right.

Speaker 4 This went so badly last time, but let's do it again.

Speaker 1 Right, your level three for question one is Leeds United at St James's Park.

Speaker 2 I've got nothing.

Speaker 4 Right, well.

Speaker 2 What a passive-aggressive wheel that was.

Speaker 13 They got relegated at the end of the 2003-04 season, so we can discount.

Speaker 18 So it's before that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, let's go for one of O'Leary's teams because they were definitely both in the Premier League at that time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So we're looking at a

Speaker 4 Veduca

Speaker 4 or

Speaker 28 Alan Smith.

Speaker 4 Alan Smith.

Speaker 10 Mark Harry Kewell.

Speaker 17 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank

Speaker 26 had a very good season, which wasn't it?

Speaker 10 98-99 was the season that he was very good for them.

Speaker 18 He was top goalscorer in the Premier League and then went to Athletico.

Speaker 26 Newcastle that season were

Speaker 13 that's just when Bobby came in because

Speaker 29 that's 99.

Speaker 18 They were hang on, who was the manager then?

Speaker 4 That was Hullett, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 Well, no, Hullett went in like the September or the October of 99.

Speaker 4 Late September 99, after the Derby and the Reign.

Speaker 4 So it was Hullett. Anyway, they're definitely.

Speaker 4 When did Kenny leave?

Speaker 24 Kenny left

Speaker 13 after the 5-1 for

Speaker 13 I think it was after Michael Owen scored a hat-trick or whatever for Liverpool.

Speaker 4 Which was so anyway, should we go Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank 98-9 then? Does that make sense?

Speaker 27 Yes.

Speaker 4 Okay, Jimmy Floyd Hastlebank 98-9.

Speaker 1 Newcastle 0, Leeds United 3.

Speaker 1 Goalscorers that day. Harry Kuehl, cometh the hour, cometh the man, Lee Boyer.

Speaker 1 And icing on the cake in the 90th minute, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 great stuff.

Speaker 4 That's the circle up we didn't have last time. We're level.
Come on, grind them down. You can see them wobbling.
Come on, lads.

Speaker 1 It is indeed a tool. Right.
Your first question of the final round, please. So

Speaker 4 we're going to give you three clues to a

Speaker 4 person or entity. We'll explain what the entity is.
If you can come in after one clue and give me an answer, and if that is correct, you take three points. After two clues, two points.

Speaker 4 After three clues, one point. If you get it wrong, that's it.

Speaker 4 Over, finished, dead, no points. So, the first one is a person.
Who am I? The three points. I was born in Tama in Ghana on the 2nd of June, 1989.

Speaker 1 So, that makes him

Speaker 9 36 or 35. Born in Ghana.

Speaker 1 35-year-old 35-year-old born in Ghana. 36-year-old born in Ghana.
A player?

Speaker 9 He just seems so, yeah.

Speaker 4 I said a person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true.

Speaker 4 True.

Speaker 1 I don't think we're going to get this. I'm happy to go with the...

Speaker 9 I think from that, yeah, we'd be mad to try and get it.

Speaker 4 For two points,

Speaker 4 I have played for Benfica, Monaco, and Rail Salt Lake.

Speaker 9 Oh, is it... I know, Freddie Adu.
Is it Freddie Adu?

Speaker 9 I'm not saying that as the answer, but.

Speaker 1 And the team's word, sorry?

Speaker 4 Just chucking in Freddie.

Speaker 4 Monoco, Real Salt Land. Monaco Rails or Charlie, your spot.

Speaker 9 Did he play for Monaco?

Speaker 19 Did he definitely play for Monaco?

Speaker 1 Ben Fico definitely.

Speaker 1 The age seems absolutely right. He was born on June the 2nd.
I think June the 2nd? Just before me.

Speaker 1 Day-wise.

Speaker 1 Which is a sentence that people say.

Speaker 1 Do you feel a special barn?

Speaker 4 He's Freddie Adu, Jonathan Wilson.

Speaker 4 The third clue would have been, I made my debut as a 14-year-old for DC United. And the answer is Freddie Adu.
There we go.

Speaker 1 10-8 cliché's lead. Right, Charlie.
Right, interesting tactics could be deployed here. Question two for you in Happy Hunting Grounds, Libero.

Speaker 4 What? Three points again?

Speaker 4 It's got to be, hasn't it? Three, yeah.

Speaker 4 We get 15, though, they're finished.

Speaker 4 So good.

Speaker 1 Right, for three points, who scored for Newcastle at Upton Park?

Speaker 29 Okay, so Shearer's best season for them in terms of goals would be 96-97

Speaker 10 at West Ham, who were fairly leaky at the time.

Speaker 4 Were they Premier League at the time? Were they 96-7?

Speaker 13 Yeah, they played United drew them to all with the Dicks Thrasher, as you may recall, the penalty.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so that's Shearer's first season now.

Speaker 18 Yeah, when he scored a lot.

Speaker 11 They

Speaker 4 and then

Speaker 17 I'm trying to think if

Speaker 18 we must have been to this game, Jonathan,

Speaker 18 a couple of times. Newcastle there.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm sure I saw some absolute stinkers of this fixture. Like in

Speaker 13 someone like Joan.

Speaker 2 In the 2010s. Like Yoan

Speaker 11 or someone scoring all, you know, like that sort of level of player. But

Speaker 29 Joan couldn't.

Speaker 2 I think unless we can come up with a specific memory

Speaker 2 of

Speaker 2 it's safer to go. I mean, the percentage play is to go for Shearer than a good Shira.

Speaker 21 Or, I mean, actually,

Speaker 29 I'm not sure West Ham were actually in the top division at this time.

Speaker 1 To reiterate for Happy Hunting Grounds purists who are listening, they won't get half points for getting the goal scorer and then the season wrong. They have to get both correct.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 11 The um

Speaker 11 uh Andy Cole season, were West Ham even in the Premier League at that time because they got relegated 91-92.

Speaker 18 Did they come straight back up? Would they have two years there? I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 Which was the great Cole season, 94-5?

Speaker 13 No, 93-94,

Speaker 4 93-4.

Speaker 13 Okay, I'm not sure West Ham were in the top division that time because they got relegated.

Speaker 18 Did they spend two seasons?

Speaker 13 I think think they came up a bit after that with Marco Boogers in the team, but I might be wrong.

Speaker 11 Oh, no, hang on.

Speaker 26 Harry Rednap was the manager, wasn't he?

Speaker 26 I mean, so you've got, I mean, like, okay, you're thinking of seasons where Newcastle.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I remember a lot of terrible Southern and West Ham games from the early 90s, which suggests they were not top flight. So,

Speaker 4 unless we've got a specific memory,

Speaker 4 I mean, I think Joan Kabais feels so right for this, but

Speaker 4 that's a fear whether she.

Speaker 4 Should we say Shearer 96-7 then? Yeah. Shearer 96-7.

Speaker 1 If you'd gone for Andy Cole 93-94, you would have had three points.

Speaker 1 West Ham 2, Newcastle United 4. But you've gone for Alan Shearer 96-97.
West Ham nil, Newcastle-Alan Shearer didn't score for Newcastle at Upton Park until 05-06.

Speaker 12 They were always shit in London.

Speaker 18 That was the sort of.

Speaker 17 Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 20 Yeah, okay. Well, that was unlucky.
That was

Speaker 1 Johan Kabai did score for Newcastle at Upton Park in 2014.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, well, the score remains 10-8. Can we have our second question of the final round, please?

Speaker 2 Do we need to wait for Charlie to come back from his purse? He is pissed.

Speaker 2 It's the ghost of Charlie. You can't see me.
He is, but no, I can't see you. I've got the sort of zoom on half the screen.
Oh, right.

Speaker 2 That would have been back.

Speaker 2 Which country am I?

Speaker 2 For three points, I played at the 1930 World Cup, but have played in only two tournaments since.

Speaker 9 Okay. ASIN played in only two World Cups since.

Speaker 4 World Cup tournaments, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Instinct says first Egypt

Speaker 1 and then they played at 90 and then another tournament. 2018.

Speaker 1 Have they been back again?

Speaker 1 Egypt sounds plausible.

Speaker 9 Were they in the First World Cup?

Speaker 9 I think.

Speaker 1 Egypt came up

Speaker 1 in the last Wilson invitee quiz

Speaker 1 when there's something about them missing the boat to go to a tournament.

Speaker 9 And that, yeah, they couldn't.

Speaker 1 Let's get the two.

Speaker 4 We don't need to go to the two. Yeah, let's get three.

Speaker 1 Fair enough. We'll take the two.

Speaker 2 For two points,

Speaker 2 I am one of only two countries to have beaten Argentina 6-1. Their record defeat.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Bolivia.
Bolivia beat Argentina, didn't they? And then Bolivia were at no... Yes, yeah, they absolutely battered them in La Paz.

Speaker 1 And then Bolivia went to the 94 World Cup.

Speaker 1 But have they been to another? I don't know if Bolivia been to another World Cup.

Speaker 4 I don't think they have.

Speaker 4 Fuck.

Speaker 9 Maybe they did.

Speaker 9 Would you know that necessarily?

Speaker 1 70s or something. It would have to be super early doors for Bolivia to gone again.

Speaker 1 Was it definitely Bolivia who beat Argentina 6-1?

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was.

Speaker 10 It was one of those altitude-y ones.

Speaker 4 But Paraguay have seen that. Ecuador.

Speaker 1 Paraguay have done several.

Speaker 9 Ecuador have done more than that, haven't they?

Speaker 1 So two World Cups since 1930.

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 don't think ecuador went to the 30

Speaker 1 but i think bolivia did one of only two teams to beat argentina since one yeah so it could be so bolivia could be the the other team do we just want to go for the point just uh yeah yeah okay i'm not confident about bolivia enough

Speaker 2 annoyingly for one point

Speaker 2 I scored my only World Cup goal against Spain in 1994. I also played in the opening game of that tournament.
Fucking Bolivia, bollocks.

Speaker 1 Right. Sorry.
There it is. Yeah, Bolivia played the opening game.
Yeah, that's fine. We'll take the point.
It's Bolivia.

Speaker 2 Bolivia is the correct answer.

Speaker 4 They played in 1950, is the other one.

Speaker 1 Not really. Right.
Three points is the difference. 11-8, the score.
I think I know what level you're going to go for for your third question: Happy Hunting Grounds. Three, please.
Right.

Speaker 1 Level three for question three. Leeds United at Stamford Bridge.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 is there something to be said for Jimmy? Jimmy Flight has a mature.

Speaker 2 No rule against it.

Speaker 18 Pleeds.

Speaker 26 So, okay.

Speaker 18 I mean, I'm sort of thinking of some sort of like Gary McAllister 93 sort of thing.

Speaker 18 Leeds at Stanford Bridge.

Speaker 13 It's like a grudge fixture that only they really care about, isn't it?

Speaker 4 Well, okay, so the

Speaker 4 but I mean, Leeds were so bad so quickly after winning the title.

Speaker 4 I mean it'd be mad to go for like Lee Chapman or Rod Wallace or somebody.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to think of Cantonal beginning of the following season. Yeah yeah that's true.

Speaker 13 I'm trying to think of a

Speaker 4 more recent one.

Speaker 2 When Bielsa was there I can't remember them doing anything at Chelsea

Speaker 4 when they were up under Bielsa.

Speaker 21 Patrick Bamford or someone, yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean the thing with Leeds is you are sort of restricted by the fact they have the 17 years out which in some ways is a benefit.

Speaker 10 Yeah like a Noel Whelan or something.

Speaker 2 I think the percentage players to look is to do what we did last time, either Hasselbank 989, either Hasselbank or the sort of Veduca Kuhl.

Speaker 4 I mean, could it even be that he scored there, and that's one of the reasons why they subsequently signed him? Yeah, Hasselbank 98-9. Hasselbank.

Speaker 1 98-99. Are you sure?

Speaker 4 Are we sure 98-9?

Speaker 19 Well, I was going to suggest 98-99 was probably their best season in the league, wasn't it?

Speaker 11 Bowyer,

Speaker 26 what was their other good season? Was the

Speaker 18 99-200 one when it's Kewell and Bowia?

Speaker 21 I mean, yeah, it's...

Speaker 4 Hasselbank 98-9. He's done it once for us.
I've got faith in the big man.

Speaker 1 Hasselbank 98-99. Chelsea won.

Speaker 1 Leeds United nil.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbank has never scored at Stamford Bridge for Leeds United.

Speaker 1 That means the score remains 11-8. We have a chance to extend our lead with question three.

Speaker 4 For three points, it's a person.

Speaker 4 I made my professional debut against against rotherham in 1964 and the following year scored as swansea beat clenethly in the west wales senior cup final could we have that one more time

Speaker 4 i made my professional debut against rotherham in 1964 and the following year scored as swansea beat clenethly in the west wales senior cup final the age john toshak feels really toshak i'm john toshak was who i was going to say from the age just from the age he could be at i it's definitely a welshman I think it's definitely a Welshman.

Speaker 9 You'd think

Speaker 1 this person's age. So

Speaker 1 let's say he was 20 in 60. Exactly.

Speaker 10 So he's mid-40s,

Speaker 9 born in the mid-40s. And then when he was managing Spanish clubs

Speaker 9 in the mid-90s, he'd have been

Speaker 1 50-ish.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 9 which feels about right.

Speaker 1 81-ish.

Speaker 1 Around 80, which I would say, well, I would guess John Toshak's 80. He played for Swansea, then went back and managed them.
It's John Toshak, please.

Speaker 4 Is that your answer? Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's John Toshak.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 The second clue would have been, I was top scorer as Lazio won Seria in 1973, four.

Speaker 1 Giorgio Cinaglio, I'm so sorry, guys.

Speaker 30 Yeah, that was.

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 1 I basically momentarily forgot the format. I'm really sorry.

Speaker 17 I didn't know the answer.

Speaker 2 It's like when we agree on an answer, so I was encouraged.

Speaker 4 Oh, Oh, no. I've got it.

Speaker 8 I'm so sorry.

Speaker 17 I think Toschak played for Cardiff as well, didn't he?

Speaker 18 I think that was.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 1 I'm annoyed, because I would have been so proud to get the second one. I said, no.
Anyway. So who was it? Giorgio Cineglia, did you say?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so the third clue would have been, I joined Neo Cosmos in 1976, and by 1984, owned 60% of the franchise.

Speaker 1 I might have

Speaker 4 chucked this away, haven't I? Absolutely.

Speaker 4 That was a question. that I was discouraged from having in because it was too hard and I only redrafted it there because we're three points behind.

Speaker 4 Which means, Jack, you can choose any of the remaining three questions for question four.

Speaker 1 Wow. Sorry, guys.
Again,

Speaker 1 our lead remains 11-8, and we go into question four for Libero. What level are you going to go for?

Speaker 4 Three, please.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Your level three is Arsenal at the G-Tech Community Stadium.

Speaker 4 And you're not allowed to include last season or this season not this season I was at the game the day

Speaker 18 before the Queen's funeral

Speaker 13 which was 22-23 22-23 20-22

Speaker 28 and Arsenal won handsomely that day

Speaker 4 and that's what she would have wanted

Speaker 24 and oddly

Speaker 13 the name ringing out and I might be utterly wrong here and it was the day when um Wannieri made his debut.

Speaker 17 But I think

Speaker 1 changing of the guard there, Queen out, Wunwary in.

Speaker 24 Yes, quite yeah, powership.

Speaker 11 The name, hang on,

Speaker 14 what

Speaker 13 who was flying for that? Was when they were really good, when it was Jesus was playing for them, playing well.

Speaker 13 Fabio Vieira is a name that comes to mind who's just left the club.

Speaker 2 So it would have been Jesus Saca Martinelli frontline.

Speaker 11 Yeah, and Fabio Vieira came off the bench

Speaker 4 and I

Speaker 18 was

Speaker 13 on sidebar duty that day

Speaker 20 and wrote something about them being the Arsenal fans acting like they were on ecstasy.

Speaker 1 Like a player who's missed a penalty in a shootout and is now sort of

Speaker 1 slightly distant from his teammates, despite having been batted on the back.

Speaker 14 No, we've still.

Speaker 9 We need to put it behind us.

Speaker 4 We've still got this. Come on, John, focus.

Speaker 15 I think Fabio Vieira, but

Speaker 13 that's the name that comes to mind. But it could be Gabriel Jesus scored early in the game because he won well.

Speaker 4 Whichever you think.

Speaker 18 The more likely is Jesus, isn't it?

Speaker 4 Oh, God.

Speaker 13 Yeah, let's go for that. yeah.

Speaker 4 You're saying Gabriel Jesus. Which year?

Speaker 21 22, 22, 23 season.

Speaker 1 Brentford 0, Arsenal 3. Goal scorers that day for the gunners, William Saliba, Gabriel Jesus, and Fabio Vieira.

Speaker 4 Oh!

Speaker 4 Do we have six games?

Speaker 27 Fabio Vieira was right, yes.

Speaker 15 Well done, John. I think that was his only goal.

Speaker 12 Well, that might be his only goal, but

Speaker 9 he scored a penalty in the Premier League, but yeah, only open play goal.

Speaker 4 Open Premier League.

Speaker 1 I'm Stephen Gerrard, you're Denver bar, and it's 11-11

Speaker 1 as we head into question four.

Speaker 4 So, Jackie, yeah, just pick any of the remaining questions. Up to you,

Speaker 1 can't believe you've got backup questions. It's pathetic.

Speaker 2 Which club am I? For three points. Three points.

Speaker 1 Isn't our question for you? No, that was their question for me.

Speaker 4 Oh, wait, what it was? My question.

Speaker 1 You've lost your end.

Speaker 4 I've lost their

Speaker 2 club all over the show.

Speaker 1 I'm completely gone.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 9 This is a real have-a-word situation.

Speaker 2 Which club am I? For three points. I changed my kit in 1969 to the colours of Dallas Tornado, having spent a summer in the US representing the franchise in the early days of NASL.

Speaker 1 We're going to need a two, aren't we?

Speaker 9 Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 I do know it, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you? Oh, wow. Yeah, like it's in the recesses of my brain.
I know how this happened. They basically went over and sort of.

Speaker 1 No, it's not.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Just say it. Just say it.
Dirty guy.

Speaker 1 The problem I've got in my head is wolves, but of course they didn't change their colours. So, but I know

Speaker 1 the athletic have done something on this. I know they have.
But anyway, we need the two.

Speaker 2 For two points. I was founded by the Irish community in my city and initially had the name Hibernian, changing to my present name in 1923.

Speaker 1 Is it an English club? Do we establish this?

Speaker 4 Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Do you want it again? I was founded by the Irish community in my city and initially had the name Hibernian,

Speaker 2 changing to my present name in 1923.

Speaker 9 Irish community in my city. I mean, could be a lot of clubs.

Speaker 1 What colour do you think Dallas Tornado? Yeah, that's all that's dominating my brain. Dallas Tornado.
I'm big on NASL kits in the 60s and 70s, genuinely.

Speaker 1 what are you thinking colour wise um hibernian uh let's go for the go for the one yeah we'll go for the point awful

Speaker 2 for one point

Speaker 2 although i have only won my national league title once i have played in a european cup semi-final and a uefa cup final only won their league once semi-final they've been in a European Cup semi-final and a UEFA Cup final.

Speaker 1 European Cup semi-final,

Speaker 9 Villarreal or Villarreal Real ever won or Sevilla or someone like that?

Speaker 1 None of these. They wouldn't be called Hibernian, though.
In the 20s, would they?

Speaker 1 How many. It's got to be an Anglophone country, surely.

Speaker 1 Who's only won the league once? Leicester.

Speaker 4 Blackburn.

Speaker 1 No, but they've won it before, haven't they? But in the old days.

Speaker 1 Ipswich.

Speaker 9 Ipswich is a good shout.

Speaker 9 Teams. And haven't they won in the 60s?

Speaker 1 They won the UEFA Cup? But I don't know. Don't know.

Speaker 1 It doesn't feel like semi-scottish.

Speaker 25 Is there a Scottish team? Is there a Scottish team?

Speaker 1 Villa? No, they won the European Cup.

Speaker 9 I mean, presumably by just getting to a semi-final, they haven't. That's the furthest they've got.
Otherwise, it'd be a very weird way to phrase it.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they've won the UEFA Cup or they've been in the UEFA Cup final?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the one point clue was, although I have only won my National League title once, I have played in a European Cup semifinal and a UEFA Cup final.

Speaker 1 Dundee United or Uniform?

Speaker 25 Yeah, so I was thinking is there a Scottish club?

Speaker 1 Yes, I think Dundee have definitely played in the UEFA Cup final and they, I think... The orange one.
Things are Dundee.

Speaker 1 Dundee's the blue one. Dundee United or the orange one.
A Dallas Tornado did play in orange. This is what I had in my head and I was too scared to say it.
I think Dallas Tornado played in orange.

Speaker 1 I think they did.

Speaker 1 I'd be stunned, to be honest, if any team changed their colours like that in the 60s. But Dundee definitely played in a European Cup semifinal, and they definitely played in a UEFA Cup final.

Speaker 9 And are they the ones that wear orange? Yes. Which are the ones that wear orange?

Speaker 1 Dundee.

Speaker 1 Sorry, Dundee United. Dundee United are in the orange.
They're the tangerines or whatever. Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the Hibernian thing, I mean, that could work, you know, Scottish, so it does work.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, that's the best we've got. I'm trying my best here, lads, to scrape it back.

Speaker 15 No, no, that's good.

Speaker 9 But so, just to be clear, the team that are orange are the same as the team with this record. Okay, yeah, just so long as we're clear.

Speaker 1 Yes, oh, absolutely, yes. Yeah,

Speaker 1 Dundee have never threatened that near the business end of the European competitions. So, we're going to go for Dundee United.

Speaker 4 Correct. Come on.

Speaker 4 Dundee, of course, have played in the European Cup semi-final.

Speaker 21 Yeah, that's true, yeah, yeah, yeah. At play,

Speaker 4 I mean, technically, uh, Dallas Sonnet wore Bunt Orange, and Dundee United were tangerine, but I feel it's close enough.

Speaker 4 And the Wolves statue you're thinking of, they actually won the American title twice, but representing two different cities, LA and

Speaker 1 that was what I was thinking of, genuinely.

Speaker 4 Kansas City, maybe, somewhere in the Midwest.

Speaker 1 There was definitely an athletic piece on that, and I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 I think it's two players played in both

Speaker 4 Derek Duggan, maybe, and one other.

Speaker 4 Anyway, that's well, you lead by a point.

Speaker 1 It's huge. It's 12-11.
And it's the final question for both teams.

Speaker 9 I would say that keeps it in our hands, but the fact they've got this rotating cast of questions means it's very much in theirs.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who knows?

Speaker 4 I have decided that the question you'll get is question three on my sheet. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm determined not to let Giorgio Shenaglia

Speaker 1 be our. Anyway, right, question five.
You're presumably going for three points, are you, Libero?

Speaker 4 I think they're very likely to get a point. And therefore, we need two to tie, three to win.
They might get two points, in which case we need three to tie. I think we've got to go three.

Speaker 4 It's about glory this game. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I think we should say three, and we should hope we can say somebody as obscure as Fabio Vieira. Yeah.
Because that's the way to win it.

Speaker 1 I agree. You are definitely going for three points.

Speaker 4 We are definitely going for three points. Okay.

Speaker 1 Chelsea at Turf Moor.

Speaker 2 Ooh,

Speaker 2 I did this game.

Speaker 4 In Mourinho's,

Speaker 4 Season Mourinho won the league. They won 3-1 there.
I think that 3-0, maybe?

Speaker 2 I was thinking of a diff. I can't remember if I'm thinking of Burnett.

Speaker 4 The only season, 14-15, was Burnley, Chelsea.

Speaker 1 Didn't factor in the fact that Libero between them probably went to every single Premier League game for the last 10 seasons in some form.

Speaker 2 I don't want to distract, but I think I did this

Speaker 2 in 16-17.

Speaker 20 There was a 1-0, wasn't there?

Speaker 26 There was a Terry scored ahead of time.

Speaker 2 They were brilliant, and

Speaker 2 Pedro ripped through Burnley.

Speaker 30 Diego Costa as well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm sure Pedro Pedro scored Pedro completed a really good counter-attacking move in 1617, but I think you may

Speaker 2 plausibly also be it seems like you have a really strong memory of the 1450s.

Speaker 4 I'd be slightly guessing who scored. I think I remember because they brought in Matic and Pedro and

Speaker 14 Fabago.

Speaker 10 Pedro didn't join until the end of the the transfer window because he was going to go to the next one.

Speaker 4 Right, okay.

Speaker 4 So but if you've got a clear memory of 16-17, Pedro, I'm happy with that.

Speaker 10 But I think Diego Costa, I've got a memory of him at Burnley.

Speaker 4 I think Diego Costa, the opening day of

Speaker 4 14-15. But if you've got a, that's, I'm, I'm, that's, that's it.

Speaker 1 Diego Costa was at 14.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, it was.
It's the season they won the league. They made the three signings that made them suddenly look excellent.
It was a Monday night.

Speaker 4 But, Jack, if you're clear on Pedro 16-17, because I'm slightly educated guessing the scorers.

Speaker 2 I'm now starting to wonder if Pedro put in the cross and it was bundled in by

Speaker 2 a Victor Moses or someone. Fuck.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 I really think it was Pedro, I'm sure. Oh, my God.
I'm in pain now because I know this is the

Speaker 2 big shot.

Speaker 1 I'm sure.

Speaker 4 Jack, go to your heart, knock there, and ask what it doth know about this game at Turkey. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 4 Measure for measure, but not the last beginning bit.

Speaker 2 I want to back myself and say Pedro 2016-17.

Speaker 4 Pedro 16-17.

Speaker 1 You're basically doing the equivalent of Olaying between yourselves and your own half there because Diego Costa 2014-15 was correct. 2016-17, Burnley won, Chelsea won.
Goal score after seven minutes.

Speaker 1 Pedro.

Speaker 4 Come on, John. Right.

Speaker 4 Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 They need two points from this.

Speaker 1 It's It's 13-12 to Liverow.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's been a classic, whatever the result is,

Speaker 14 it's been 4-3 again.

Speaker 4 It has, it has been, yeah.

Speaker 4 We lost 13-12 last time. My aim was to get to 14 points.
I thought that was a winning score. We'll find out if I was right

Speaker 4 with this. The final classic.
I'm so sorry. The final round.

Speaker 1 Throughout that deliberation, I thought, well, they've got it anyway, and we've lost because I thought mathematically you'd won. So, anyway, I'm bouncing back here.

Speaker 4 Here we go.

Speaker 4 So, a question for Stephen Jarard and the rest of his Liverpool team.

Speaker 4 The final round. The final question.
For three points and the win. I finished my career playing in a stadium named after me.
After me, the player, not me, the question asker. The Jonathan Wilson.

Speaker 4 Yeah, stadium Jonathan Wilson.

Speaker 1 If you were to have a stadium named after you, where would it be?

Speaker 4 I'd like to think the stadium will be named after me sooner rather than later. One more book.

Speaker 4 Surely somewhere out there. Me, me and Bob Stoko face each other across the car.

Speaker 1 Somewhere out in Eastern Europe, somewhere, surely.

Speaker 4 Budapest.

Speaker 21 Couldn't you sponsor it with your podcast Empire?

Speaker 23 That would be the.

Speaker 4 Bloody hell.

Speaker 1 Finished my career playing a stadium named after me. We can do it.
Or at least we can have a stab at this. Playing a stadium named after me? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 9 What stadiums are they named after?

Speaker 1 Players.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. It's not a trick question, is it? Like something weird.

Speaker 1 This is doable. It's totally totally doable.

Speaker 1 But I think we're going to have to take the two and then the draw.

Speaker 4 Take the draw.

Speaker 1 We're not going to get it.

Speaker 4 Do you want the two-point question now?

Speaker 4 No, not yet.

Speaker 1 I think it's...

Speaker 1 I think it's recent-ish. I don't know why.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 when you hear the story, or you heard the story and it happened, obviously your immediate thought is, you know, the ego on this person or what must it feel like to play.

Speaker 1 So, icon status, obviously.

Speaker 9 Can only think of like a Maradona or someone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, obviously, that was the first thought.

Speaker 4 Status and

Speaker 10 worship level.

Speaker 4 Oh,

Speaker 4 no.

Speaker 1 Something like someone like George Wayne.

Speaker 1 They did, they renamed it. Napoli renamed it, didn't they? After he died, I think Samuel Etto, for example, something like that.
I don't know. Oh, like, yeah, like somebody.

Speaker 1 Somebody who's so big in one country. Yeah.
Drogbear or George Weyer.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 1 it would also require them going back to play in that stadium, which I think rules out a lot of the African players.

Speaker 1 But could. Maybe they had their last game as a professional as an international.
At this stage.

Speaker 9 We've got to go for the two, haven't we?

Speaker 1 At 27 minutes late for work, I will take the draw.

Speaker 4 Okay. Do you want the two-point question? What do you think, lads?

Speaker 9 I think so. I don't think we're going to get it.

Speaker 1 I've got a guess everywhere. Yeah, go on.

Speaker 4 Honourable draw here, if we can do it. If we can get it.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I made one international appearance for Corsica.
Fuck off. Fuck off.

Speaker 10 Oh, God. I can't think of his Napoleon.

Speaker 4 Who's from

Speaker 4 Edrid Welsh?

Speaker 15 Tricky Winger.

Speaker 4 Your football.

Speaker 13 Played like Alan Girass.

Speaker 4 That actually might overshadow my faux par earlier on.

Speaker 1 Fantastic news, Napoleon.

Speaker 9 Who's another famous Corsican?

Speaker 1 That listen, you know, it's just

Speaker 1 an honour.

Speaker 1 Are they like one of these teams

Speaker 1 that are outside of FIFA?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I should say this is an unofficial international.

Speaker 4 So they could be.

Speaker 4 He may well have played international as they could be

Speaker 4 French.

Speaker 1 Platiny?

Speaker 9 So he's French. He could be Italian.
It's possible.

Speaker 4 Napoleon was, wasn't he? Napoleon was Italian. He wasn't French.
Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Buonaparte.

Speaker 1 The club that play on Cosco are Bastia, of course.

Speaker 4 And Ajaxio. Oh.

Speaker 4 Roger Miller. You walked from one to the other in 2013.

Speaker 1 Roger Miller played for Bastia. Did Roger Miller end up playing in the Roger Miller stadium on Reunion? Don't think so.
But.

Speaker 9 I mean, Roger Miller. I mean.

Speaker 1 I don't mind Roger Miller, but

Speaker 1 he didn't play for the Corsican national team. He just didn't.
He didn't.

Speaker 1 It's a French player, right?

Speaker 32 Probably.

Speaker 4 Who's in that? Michelle Platinet.

Speaker 9 Probably French.

Speaker 1 He hasn't had a stadium named after him, has he? He didn't play in it.

Speaker 9 It's all got it on. A legendary French football, though.

Speaker 4 It's all God in the office. Or is it...

Speaker 4 Is it for someone...

Speaker 9 There wasn't a suggestion that he might be the right answer.

Speaker 9 Did Napoleon ever play? I think he may have done.

Speaker 1 Ended his career playing in a stadium named after himself.

Speaker 9 And he had one.

Speaker 10 I remember a game at Turf Moor where Napoleon scored.

Speaker 1 Roger Miller played till he was so old that it sort of makes sense that

Speaker 1 he might, maybe he played for Corsica just for you. Both

Speaker 1 quite plausible, but I have no recollection. And I studied his career quite closely for a piece I wrote once, and he didn't play for the Corsica.

Speaker 1 In which case, it undermines my previous body of work if we're wrong.

Speaker 1 Is there just something like French?

Speaker 9 Is there

Speaker 1 Jules Fontaine?

Speaker 9 Would it have been, yeah, would it have been exactly named after someone, or like Jules Rimé or something? Like,

Speaker 9 it's not necessarily that they're a legendary footballer, but but they're a legendary part of the pavilion all over again, isn't it?

Speaker 9 Yeah, that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 Jules Rime.

Speaker 1 Jules Rimé, for example.

Speaker 1 He wasn't a player, though, was he? Although the Corsican national team might have been a thing. Did he get a stadium as well as the World Cup trophy? Wouldn't be surprised.
Wouldn't put it past him.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's terrible. It is terrible.
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 What are we going to go for?

Speaker 1 Jules Rime. Platiny feels like

Speaker 1 Michelle Platiny Stadium B would have ended his career playing there, would he? I don't know. But then Jul Remo would have ended.

Speaker 4 Would Jul Remo have ended his career? Did he even

Speaker 9 say

Speaker 14 even exist?

Speaker 15 It's possible it's an Italian.

Speaker 1 But what about

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 1 Giuseppe Miazza or whatever? Isn't that the name of the actual

Speaker 25 San Sierra? Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 That is true.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 1 Was it named after him immediately?

Speaker 1 And he played super early days as well. So very plausible that he was, you know, a Corsican national team was a thing at that.

Speaker 1 I like that more than Giorgi Rimé, but only because we know that he had a stadium named after him. But was it named at...
He would have been named after him when he was playing, would it?

Speaker 1 Well, it's the only stadium we've got that we know definitely was named after someone. I like it more than Jules Rimé.
So I don't think it's...

Speaker 9 It's geographically accurate enough.

Speaker 2 Let's go with it.

Speaker 1 We're going to go for Giuseppe Miazzza.

Speaker 4 Final answer. The third clue is

Speaker 4 I played in two Champions League finals, winning the second in 2006.

Speaker 4 It is not Giuseppe Miazza. And we have won.
Do you want to give us the answer?

Speaker 1 2006 Champions League final was Barcelona.

Speaker 9 So for Barcelona.

Speaker 16 Oh, so is it Julie?

Speaker 4 Ludovic Julie for one point. Oh, well done.

Speaker 1 Fair play. Wouldn't have gotten within a million miles of that.
Well,

Speaker 1 thanks to your arsenal of backup questions.

Speaker 4 It's a squad game.

Speaker 1 Ludovic Julie got a stadium named after him.

Speaker 4 That's mad. Because he comes from a place called

Speaker 4 Mondor Azergue,

Speaker 4 a fourth-tier team near Lyon. A successor to Chatelet, where he began his career.

Speaker 4 Fair play.

Speaker 1 Unbelievably, Ludovic Julie is about the same height as Napoleon. So, Charlie, in some ways, you were justified.

Speaker 1 Libero, superb quizzing.

Speaker 1 That was honestly brilliant. And Jonathan Wilson, you must feel a surge of relief, vindication at having returned to win this quiz.

Speaker 4 Oh, and I'm glad John was here with me as well because he was obviously part of that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it's and

Speaker 4 Jack was brilliant. It's not about me, it's about the team.
It's about the lads. It's about the fans, it's about the game itself.

Speaker 30 That's what Keys and Gray said about Pep Guardiola.

Speaker 18 Yeah, just, you know,

Speaker 15 let them celebrate.

Speaker 4 Let them celebrate. But what I like is

Speaker 4 the way we mapped it out, that we thought 13 was about par, you got 13, therefore you have to get 14, we got 14. That's the

Speaker 4 sort of, yeah, that's the level of detail that you have to go into at top level quizzing these.

Speaker 1 And that's the level of intellects that we can't deal with as well, and that's liberal all round.

Speaker 1 John Bruin,

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, it was heartbreaking last time, but this must feel great.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah. Vindication.

Speaker 13 A bit like AC Milan felt in 2007 after Istanbul.

Speaker 23 Yeah, when they won it out, nobody's going to remember it.

Speaker 14 No one's going to remember it, but yeah.

Speaker 4 And if they do, it'll be about the crowd control this season. Yeah,

Speaker 29 call me Pippo in Zaghi if you must.

Speaker 1 Jack Pittbrook,

Speaker 1 all we could really hope for now is for you to defy the Athletics Outside Work Committee one more time and create yet another podcast for your own means and come back for another clichés quiz.

Speaker 2 It's a good job you don't have rules about people being cup tied.

Speaker 1 Yes, indeed. But anyway, you have won 14 points to 12.
It was a triumph.

Speaker 4 14-13, I think, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Well, technically, we got that question wrong, which means we were out.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's right. Sorry.
You're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

Speaker 27 Too generous, Jonathan.

Speaker 1 You have emerged, Victorious, 14 points to 12. Congratulations to you.
Thanks to you, Jonathan Wilson, John Bruin, and Jack Pickbrook.

Speaker 4 Thank you very much. Thank you, Bruce.

Speaker 14 Thanks, Adam.

Speaker 1 Thanks and apologies to Charlie Echo Share and David Wilker.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 9 And no worries.

Speaker 4 Cheers.

Speaker 1 Thanks to everyone for listening. I hope you enjoyed it.
We'll be back on Tuesday. See you then.

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