The Wolf Man (1941)

This is Free With Ads, the podcast that asks the question: why pay peacock eight bucks a month to watch a new Wolfman movie when you can go online for free and watch the original, which might be a little slow and boring, but it's only about an hour long, so you can use the extra time to research the benefits of these air fryers you've been hearing so much about.

I'm Jordan Morris, and I'm Emily Fleming.

Today's movie is The Wolfman, the 1941 classic monster movie that proves that there's nothing sexier than a big hairy guy who walks like a beautiful, delicate ballerina.

With us, as always, is the super producer, the he freak, Matt Lieb, hitting us with those hot drops once every full moon.

There, wolf.

There, Castle.

Why are you talking that way?

I thought you wanted to.

What's that from?

Young Frankenstein.

Oh, okay.

You know what this reminds me of when we did the

catch the fish with Granddad thing?

Me and Jordan did it.

And it was a good mythical morning bit where you try and like snatch a fish-shaped oven mitt off someone's head.

Yeah.

And I was a werewolf person, and

I just kind of came out and I went, werewolf here, wolf.

So, like,

gags.

So, when you said, their wolf, their castle, I was like, oh, God, they get it.

They get it too.

One of the best jokes from one of the best movies ever made.

Yeah, totally.

Surely you can't be serious.

And don't call me Shirley.

That's another.

What other movies do our dads love?

Let's see.

Men in Black, that's my dad.

Cabin Boy, that's my dad.

The Mask for No Reason, that's my dad.

My dad's a dad.

We like Apocalypto.

Oh, okay.

You're not wrong about that.

I just saw that for the first time recently, and that movie.

Not a great director as a human being, but really cool.

Cool movie.

Yeah,

Matt, I'm questioning your choices to start the Mel Gibson Rewatch podcast.

I'm not affiliated with this one.

No, no, no, no, no, it's a different podcast.

I loved your expose of the passion of the Christ.

Oh, boy.

God.

He was so passionate.

He was very passionate.

Say what you will about Jesus.

Say what you will about Jesus.

You could tell that he had passion.

Oh, yeah.

He fucks.

Jesus.

Before we talk about the Wolfman, which is, as of this recording, streaming free with ads, we're going to talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week.

This comes courtesy of Emily Fleming.

This is a really cool little piece of 90s detritus that I had no idea existed.

Emily, you found this for us.

Tell us all about it.

Okay, so I had never heard of this either, and honestly, I thought it was AI because it has this kind of hazy film quality to it.

Everybody's got six fingers.

Yeah, exactly.

They turn into spaghetti.

Yeah, the baby turns into its own dad.

Exactly.

So it's, I guess in 1994, there was either an American or Canadian, it could go either way, live-action Sailor Moon pilot that had totally different animation.

It was like they had live-action girls who were all best friends.

Yeah, so it looks like saved by the bell.

Like the live-action stuff looks like, you know, or a a deGrasse, something like that.

Babysitters club.

Yeah, yeah.

But when they transform, when the Sailor scouts turn into the like superhero versions of themselves, it goes into this like

90s-ass DIC animation.

Yeah, it doesn't look like the original Sailor Moon at all.

I'd even look at the outfits and be like, do you guys know what Sailor is a reference to?

Because the costumes at Sailor Moon kind of feel a little sailor-y.

And then these outfits are just like, I don't know, it's a skirt.

Yeah, but the animation is not great, it's not as cool as the original, but that's why the show didn't happen, I guess.

But the best part about it is the theme song.

Yeah, see, theme song rules.

All right, hit it there.

Who looks like an angel flying higher than a bird?

Sailor, Sailor Moon.

She's got a life in the sky and a never hearing.

Who is it?

Wow.

It's even better than we thought.

Totally.

It's so long and it tells you.

It's still going.

And it tells you, it goes through everything you would need to know about Sailor Moon.

It's like, she's she's got a cat that talks.

There's a guy named Tuxedo Mask.

They have an on-again, off-again thing.

And she's got five friends.

They're each from a planet.

Matt's sister wants to watch this instead of Drew Carey Show with Matt Lightstarter.

The actual episode is two minutes long because the theme song just fills the entire programming block.

How'd they know about my TV choices?

That's great.

It just, I mean, and amazing to hear the vocals of a young Courtney Love there on the soundtrack.

What?

Oh, my God.

I don't know who.

Oh, my God.

Well, there are videos about, like, did you know these songs are written about Courtney Love?

And then it'd be like,

what if this was one of us?

The Sailor Moon Live.

Sailor Moon theme song?

Yeah.

One week by the Bare Naked Lady.

All kinds of stuff written about Courtney Love.

It's been one week since you killed Cobain.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

I don't believe it.

Well, yeah.

The failed American pilot of Sailor Moon, it's out there and it's got a.

Oh, yeah.

You can watch it on YouTube, but also go watch this, the whole theme song with the visuals, with the video.

It's so funny.

We made a mistake as a culture when we stopped having theme songs that lay out the plot of the chest.

Yes, 100%.

Or theme songs that did like a couple verse chorus verses.

Yeah.

Yeah, whatever happened to the Sailor Moon.

Built Man, the Baby Book.

Paperball.

Sailor Mask.

Oh, damn.

Now I kind of want to watch Family Matters

for the Sailor Moon version.

What are we doing watching these fucking movies?

Let's watch.

Anybody got any moon?

Sailor Urkel.

I've never watched Sailor Moon.

I don't know what the fuck it's about.

Have you not?

No.

Oh, my gosh.

I'm shocked.

I would have guessed that given your interest in the kind of transforming teens of the Power Rangers, Sailor Moon would have been up your face.

They don't transform much.

They just transform into another little skirt.

They got a different outfit.

I was obsessed with Sailor Moon as a kid.

I totally had a Sailor Moon, period.

We would have fought over the remote.

I'd have been like, but Drew Carey is on.

Oh, my God.

Drew Carey.

Carey.

Well, I guess we're going to have to explore a Sailor Moon movie.

Oh, we have to.

Because Jordan has just informed me that there are movies.

I didn't know that.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

There's a ton of good Sailor Moon content out there.

Wow.

She fights for justice.

Well, clearly Godzilla's in it, too.

We played the theme song.

I believe they got Godzilla to guest star on a very special episode.

A very special episode.

Teacher Notre Drugs.

She's addicted to drugs.

But you know who isn't guest starring in Sailor Moon?

It's the Wolfman.

Amazing segue, fucking

beautiful segue.

Perfect.

No, no, professional,

very professional.

Yeah, The Wolfman, 1941.

Let's do a little check-in.

I want to know how many of these old universal monster movies have y'all seen, and how many of the like Wolfman reboots have y'all seen?

Zero and zero.

Wow, okay.

Nothing.

I've seen the Bayla Lugosi Dracula.

Okay.

And I think that's it.

I haven't seen the original Frankenstein.

I don't think this was, this was a treat.

I'm really enjoying it because I've been hearing all about Universal in Florida and their whole

dark universe.

Or the dark universe.

The dark universe.

Yeah.

And this makes me really excited to kind of see references and things.

And I want to go.

I want to see that.

Me too.

I want to go to that thing so bad.

Yeah.

Also, my 40th birthday is next year.

My parents were like we'll go on a family vacation wherever you want and i was like dark universe do i make my 70 year old yeah do i make what's better than celebrating a single childless 40 year old than making her family in their 70s go to disney and universal together pretty good i know i think so too but uh yeah so this was pretty this was pretty rad to to go check this out so i had fun yeah i have uh i like got into there's a, an old showbiz podcast, you must remember this, hosted by Karina Longworth.

Great show.

And she did an expose on the, you know, this, this era of monster movies, got me obsessed.

I like bought a Blu-ray box set and crammed, you know,

powered through these things.

I really like them.

And yeah, I, as far as the other Wolfman movies go,

I, uh, I'm kind of a defender of the Benicio del Toro Wolfman.

That's one of my.

I've never seen it yet.

I hear it's not that.

The common,

The only thing I have ever heard about it was that it stinks and it was a disappointment.

I really love it.

Kind of funny, kind of campy.

Maybe Benicio's phoning it in a little bit, but there's a ton of good stuff in it.

And I watched the Wolfman reboot from this year just as a fun little coda to this.

Oh, you know what?

I have seen is the movie Wolf with Jack Nicholson and Michelle Pfeiffer.

Oh, I've never seen that.

It's fun.

Okay.

It's fun to imagine Jack Nicholson is fuckable ever.

Like, you know,

I love to look at it and go, why is this man a movie star other than the fact that he's very talented?

But, like, you know.

Yeah.

I saw the American Werewolf in Paris.

Okay.

With Tom Everett Scott from That Thing You Do?

Absolutely with Tom Everett Scott.

And with a wonderful remixed version of Mouth by Bush, which is the only reason I saw it because I was a big Bush guy.

Wait, so you went to see movies where Bush had a song on the soundtrack?

It was such a good song for the trailer that I was like, okay, I'll see this werewolf movie if it's got mouth in it.

Yeah, I mean, Gavin Rossdale probably personally approved the use in the movie.

So he probably approves the movie.

He's just with his beautiful hands.

You guys, real quick, can I tell you, I went to a bar I'd never been to before.

I can't remember where I was because, you know.

Anyway, so I was talking to you.

To a bar you've never been to?

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah.

Can you believe it?

But I was hanging out, and somebody was playing Bush, and I was like, I fucking love Bush.

And the guy goes, Really?

The bartender went, really?

It's my favorite band.

And I'm like, is Gavin Rossdale going to be in the next Constantine movie?

He goes, I've been thinking about that a lot.

Like, we started talking about.

Is Gavin Rossdale in Constantine?

I don't know.

Oh, yeah.

He plays Beelzebub.

That's right.

He does.

News to me.

I do like Blackboard.

Or no, is it Balthazar?

I can't remember.

Whatever.

But

he's great in it.

He plays a shirtless guy, and that's all that matters.

Well, he gets the shit kicked out of him, which is pretty cool.

And he's all slimy and green under his skin.

I loved it.

I loved it.

Nice.

I like that Keanu Reeves Constantine movie.

I didn't know that was Gavin.

It's currently on Netflix.

Oh, my gosh.

Fuck.

You did a pause like it was free with ads.

Sorry.

What it is, we'll let you know.

Free with my mom's password.

Right.

Yeah, we should have an amendment to the premise of this podcast where we can watch a movie if we've stolen someone's password

for us.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I hope my ex doesn't find out that I'm still logged into her.

Her Hulu.

Oh, my God.

I give anything for an ex's Hulu right now.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, let's talk about this Wolfman.

It starts out with

you see the cast and you see the name of the character they play.

Fucking do this in movies now.

It would help me keep track of everyone in the Fast and Furious movies.

You know that Wes Anderson's the only motherfucker who'd be doing this in real life.

Yeah.

And we'll be like, oh, God, get on with it.

Yeah.

Listen, I love Wes Anderson, but I'm like, can we try a different

vibe?

I don't know.

I like his movies, but it's hard for me.

Father.

What did you say, Jordan?

I like Wes Anderson movies too, but they get so Wes Anderson-y, it's like he's challenging us.

It's like, well, yeah, what about this?

What about if it was called the phonition scheme?

Do you still see it?

Yes.

It's the same thing.

Everything's got yellow cabinets.

Like, it's my thing is,

like, there are a lot of people that, you know, there's Lynch in movies that it's a vibe,

but this is an aesthetic.

Like, it's not like an aesthetic.

And I don't know if it kind of feels like it's a crutch at this point to me.

Sorry, I'm talking shit.

No, no,

no.

I appreciate it as an OG hater of Wes Anderson.

I'm not a hater.

I really like Wes Anderson, but I just know for a fact that he can do more.

Like, I just know it.

I'm a big hater.

And we're going to, you know, still talk about it because this movie is an hour long, and there's no way you can do an hour-long podcast.

Something to talk about.

Yeah.

No, I have always described his movies as like, oh, what if I I made it look French?

And then he did a French movie, and I was like, fuck you.

It was like he was spitting in my mouth.

That's what I felt like.

You got mad that he did a French movie?

I got mad because it was like he was like, oh, oh, you think that's what I do?

Well, now I'm going to do it extra.

Do you have mad?

Is there like somebody in your, like, like your wife or something?

Is someone like dragging you to Wes Anderson movies?

So you know, I used to like the posters.

I just, I mean, I see the movies, or I, I, I guess I have missed a few of them.

You're not missing much.

I keep hoping for something I'm going to like.

And every time I see him, it's because people have been like, no, but this is a really good one.

Sure, he's back.

Yeah.

Well, I think if you watch like, and this is our Wes Anderson recap podcast that we have now.

If you watch like Bottle Rocket and Rushmore, the style isn't oppressive yet.

It's a style and it's a flavor, but the characters are real.

They're down to earth.

They're not the kind of like flat monotone,

you know, affectless weirdos that are now in his movies.

I didn't like Rush more.

Oh, okay.

So you were a hater for hater, too.

Okay.

OG hater.

What do you think about Bottle Rocket?

You know what?

I haven't seen that, and I have heard good things.

I'll watch Bottle Rocket.

I mean, Royal Ten and Bombs is the first

I ever watched, and I loved it.

I hated it.

But here's why

the soundtrack was so cool.

Good soundtrack.

And I don't like Elliot Smith either.

I just think that there was this like deep

longing and sadness in a lot of his, like, in Life Aquatic and in Royal Ten and Bombs that I loved so much.

And then it got to this like madcap kind of,

here we go, where's my lobby boy?

kind of like stuff.

I wanted lobby boy.

The grandpa boy.

Oh, the lobby boy.

Oh, lobby boy.

Okay, that that makes more sense.

Like, yeah, and I love Grand Pota Pass Hotel.

Who's absconded with my monocle?

Exactly.

Exactly.

My snuff box.

It's been absconded with.

Yes, everything looks like it's a cake that could be cut into.

It all looks like cake.

That's true.

And I don't like cake either.

Not a cake guy.

I want some sad shit.

Give us some sad shit, Wes Anderson.

The most interesting thing that I've, like, that I've loved that he did was Fantastic Mr.

Fox, where I was like, oh, cool.

That's the one I really liked.

Makes total sense for him to go into animation or acclaymation.

Like, to me, that makes complete sense.

Absolutely.

And then it's like, well, we got to give Tom Hanks a job because God knows he needs the money.

He needs work.

Speaking of fantastic wolf.

Anyway, Fox says,

this has a pretty fantastic wolf.

So we get everybody.

They get introduced.

It looks like the trailer of a Wes Anderson movie.

Then we get someone reading the dictionary.

and explaining to us what lycanthropy is.

Lycanthropy, of course, the werewolf disease.

But, you know, it's 1941.

Werewolf, not out in the popular culture as much as it is now.

So, you know, you had to hold the audience's hand.

I appreciated that.

Wait, can we talk about what it was?

Because I found that to be really fascinating, because it's

not about people actually turning into wolves.

It is about the like psychosis of believing that you are turning into a wolf so much that your physicality starts to resemble a wolf.

It was like a psychological definition.

Right.

And I think there's a lot of that in this movie.

Like

of like, oh, is he actually doing this?

Does he just think he's doing this?

Is he getting so swept up in the superstitions?

Yeah, that's kind of interesting.

In looking at the history behind the movie, I wonder what is going on with psychology at the time.

Are these like...

popular uh anyways is this like stuff that's kind of in the zeitgeist that people are like well there is a really funny like it was on vine for a minute and i'm sure tick tock has taken it up but there was this like strange addiction i think episode my strange where there's a kid who believed he was a wolf and they cut to him and he just went woof

like that and you're like

type

uh so yes so that's that's lycanthropy um the the disease or psychological affliction where you think you're a wolf or you're turning into a wolf um we meet meet our main character, uh, uh, Lawrence Talbot, but they call him Larry.

He's played by Lon Cheney Jr.,

interesting guy.

He is the son of Lon Cheney, who was like the hunchback of Notre Dame and the Phantom of the Opera.

So, Lon Cheney Jr., big Nepo baby.

They like cast him in this because they did.

You notice he doesn't have Jr.

in the credits.

They wanted people to think his dad was in this.

That makes a lot of sense because he is so ugly.

He is, he like i would call his vibe um

dope or lummicks he his vibe is oh i dropped my ice cream yeah yeah oh my gumballs i dropped my gumballs oh turning into wolf oh man uh he's definitely the tallest guy in the movie he's fucking huge oh

he's huge

and can we talk about the guy

Can we talk about the guy who plays his father?

Oh, so his father, also interesting, his dad is played by Claude Rains, who was the invisible man.

That's right.

So

under this guy's double chin, he is invisible to him.

Yeah, I can't see him.

Bella Lugosi, Dracula, also in this movie.

So this movie, on a very technical level, is a monster mash.

Wow.

Just from a very

semantic, technical level, this is a monster mash.

Wait a minute.

Was he the fortune teller?

He was.

Yes.

So the Bella Lugosi is the fortune teller.

Doesn't have a lot to do in this movie, but, you know, choose the scenery and is like one little scene.

So, yeah, this is definitely like, you know, a who's who of Universal Monsters at the time.

Yeah, so Lon Chaney Jr., the star of this movie, looks the same age as his dad.

His dad is a very good actor.

Lon Cheney Jr., maybe not so much.

Well, okay.

He's in the movie.

There's a couple of scenes that really, like, he made me feel things which i'll i'll get into it because he's a fucking creep like in the top of this movie oh my gosh but his father is like knee-high to a grasshopper on his son it's wild he could pick his dad up like a fucking shake weight like if he wanted to yeah it was no i'm i'm the horsey and you're the rider daddy yeah oh i dropped my jack

It makes sense that his mom is dead.

Like, he's huge.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Just came out all at once.

Couldn't handle the birth.

Couldn't handle the birth.

Full grown, full suit, a little whiskey in his hand.

He's got like a Papa Munster vibe, kind of.

He does a little bit.

Does a little bit.

Yeah.

Herman.

Herman Munster.

Herman Lunn.

Looks the same age as his dad, possibly because Lon Cheney, the actor,

ravaged by alcohol.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, you know, maybe, maybe.

Relatable.

Maybe the reason he

looks a little like his own dad.

Unlike Bella Lugosi, who was ravaged on heroin.

There you go, everyone.

I didn't know that.

A lot of fun ways to get ravaged in the fourth.

A lot of good ways.

Opium, you could probably still get.

You could always get ravaged by a wolf, man.

There you go.

We're back.

Segway.

Segway.

So Lon Chaney is a son.

He's coming back to see his dad, who lives in Wales.

He's been in America.

He's been doing America stuff, studying telescopes, I guess.

So his brother,

he's coming back because his brother died in a hunting accident.

He will later die in his own kind of hunting accident.

Ooh.

That is smart.

Well, well, well.

So he's like helping his dad like get his life together.

And

they bring a telescope, which was probably like super trendy at the time.

Yeah, probably like, you know, mentioning a...

What are those bikes everybody got during COVID?

Pelotons.

Yeah, yeah.

Probably having a telescope in that is like a Peloton joke.

One of those trendy new looking devices.

It is gorgeous.

Like, let's be honest, this whole movie is gorgeous.

Yeah, they look awesome.

It looks amazing.

And I don't know if it's like my brain is broke or whatever, but I could imagine what color things were as I was watching it.

That telescope is gold.

You can't convince me otherwise.

Yeah.

And there's times where I was like, maybe I just decided what color people's outfits were, but I know that certain people's dresses were certain colors in my brain, but it was so beautiful.

The sets, the paintings that they're like, like there's a car driving and there's like clearly a set painting that went on, which, God, that's so beautiful.

You know,

Wicked has like hand-painted like backgrounds and stuff.

It makes such a huge difference.

I'm just telling you.

Yeah, it's amazing.

These are awesome looking movies and they were cheap movies at the time.

They were kind of like cranked out, but like they

use light and shadow in such a beautiful way.

Like, you can tell why these, like, you recognize, like, even if you've never seen these movies, you recognize the scenes because they get like reused so much and they're so distinct.

So, yeah, and the makeup is cool.

It is so cool.

I really think the practical effects are stunning in this movie.

No complaints there.

Yeah, they look cool.

So, yeah, so he gets a telescope for dad, a telescope that they say can look at Pluto.

And the first thing he does is peep on a lady.

Dad's not out of the room for two fucking seconds and he starts a peeping.

He's already a wolf fan.

That's right.

Ooh.

So yeah, so the main, the female lead of this is Gwen, and he is a creep to her from frame fucking one.

I don't know if it was intended to be cute at the time.

It's I, you could read this movie as like a commentary, right?

Like this guy is an American fucking dope who comes to a foreign country and won't take no for an answer and fucking kills everyone and ruins it.

He's already a predator.

Right.

Yes, exactly.

He's a predator who turns into a arguably not as bad predator.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if anybody making this movie was like thinking about that, but I think you can like read this movie as like

he's a villain from frame one.

Yeah, he could totally could have been.

I think so because I mean, we'll get into it, but there's a couple of instances where I'm like, oh, clearly they were.

Yeah.

It was a cautionary tale about...

To me, this is a cautionary tale about the human nature of men.

Sure.

In a lot of ways.

Maybe I'm looking too far.

No, no, no.

I think you can.

I think, and, and, uh, you know, I think essays have been written about this movie as like, you know, criticism of masculinity.

Have I read the episode?

Have I read these essays?

No.

Did I see that they existed by looking at the movie's Wikipedia?

Yes.

So

they exist.

And I think you can, you can do that read of this movie, and I think it like fucking holds up.

So

anyway, yeah.

So he is, he's a peeping.

He goes down into the store where Gwen works.

He's like, I want to buy some earrings.

He's like, no, not those earrings.

The one you have on your bedside table.

Fucking ew.

Go away.

So she's humoring him.

Kinda.

I think she seems terrified.

She does.

Yeah.

Appropriately.

She doesn't swoon when he does any of this.

He says he'll buy a silver cane with a wolf on top.

Totally cool.

Yeah, it looks awesome.

Yeah.

Ooh, Jordan, real quick.

You remember when we made our first tippy ten in the birds, I talked about how I want to work in that pet shop.

And it's so beautiful.

This

might have beaten that shop.

Yeah, yeah, the Welsh trinket shop.

Oh my God, it's so beautiful.

There's just like, it feels like it could go on forever.

There's glass cases.

There's all this cool shit.

There's canes.

There's jewelry.

I'm like, and that chick's hair.

Gwen's hair is so stunning.

Poor friend of hers with that crazy hairdo that we've got later on.

Jenny.

Yeah, Jenny is the worst hat with that hair.

Oh, okay.

I was saying with the actual, if you look at the hats in this movie, I was looking for a worse one.

I think this movie is full of fabulous hats.

They are, but Jenny's hair is insane.

We'll go ahead and call Jenny's hair the worst hat.

All right.

Please, Matt.

The The worst hat.

There it is.

God damn.

It is like a whole entire baguette is just like sitting on the front side of her head.

And I don't know how gravity worked back in the day, but it's wild.

Anyway, I want to work in this shop.

Her outfit,

I know that it had to be a Hunter Green.

Like, it's, I just know it.

Were you on acid while you were watching this movie?

No, I just want that to be a Hunter Green.

I wanted it to be red, and then I thought about it, it, and I'm like, that shit ain't red.

Sure.

Red Riding Hood, maybe a little on the nose.

Oh, maybe it was.

Oh, John.

She references it.

She says, like, what big eyes you have.

And, you know, and I think Red Riding Hood is a, like, a warning against, you know, lecturous men.

Yes.

But yeah, it's, she's stunning.

The styling of the female characters in this, every single female character in this movie is.

Awesome looking like cool clothes cool everything but yeah i want to work at that store and i want to be her.

I don't want to date this creepy man.

She's very creepy.

Okay, we sell silver canes, we sell wooden stakes, we sell holy water, garlic, garlic,

yeah,

whatever kills the creature from the black lagoon, guns, I guess.

Yeah, so they sell mystical items, just a just general mystical item.

So he buys this cane for her.

He complains about the price, which is like, you're trying to like flirt with this woman.

You're like, this cane costs too much.

It's too expensive.

My dad is rich, but he doesn't want to get mad at me.

I'll be honest.

This movie made me feel a lot better about my dating situations today that I've been through.

You could be dating a wolf man.

Could be dating a wolf man.

Exactly.

You know what I mean?

So, so he's like, you know, he keeps asking her out.

She keeps saying no.

He like shows up at the at the store like when she's closing and and she's like, Well, I brought a friend with me.

So she's like, I brought this friend to protect me from you.

After saying no three times.

Yeah.

And this is Jenny with the bread hair.

So they all go to see.

There is like a cavalcade of like Romani people who have come to town.

They do not say that in this movie.

They say something else.

We'll say Romani as far as why we say that.

Consult someone smart.

But yeah, so they go to this, they go to this kind of like uh festival.

Um, there's a fortune teller.

This is Bello Lugosi here.

Um, yeah, very, very small part, but he, you know, he's, he's milking it.

Fucking kills it.

And I kind of was looking at him going, is it?

Nah, he's unrecognizable.

Like, he's unfortunately in brownface, but oh, he is?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You saw color too.

Yeah, there's, you know what?

A lot of people say they don't see color.

I do.

It's all I see.

see.

So, yeah, he's the fortune teller.

And he's telling Jenny's fortune, and

he sees a pentagram on her hand.

That's kind of a cool practice.

It was on his head, too.

Do you remember that?

Yeah, they've got tattoos, and then they see

the pentagram on Jenny's hand.

And

he just tells her to leave.

And she's like, why?

Is something the matter?

He's like, no, nothing's the matter.

Go, go, leave.

So convincing that nothing is the matter.

He's having the hugest freak out.

But my favorite thing is.

It's all fine.

It's all fine.

Her response was, yes, yes, I will.

I will come out back tomorrow so you can freak out some more.

I mean, mine would have been like, oh, God, and then run away.

But she's like, yes, yes.

Yeah.

So Jenny leaves and she is attacked by a wolf.

This is a, this is a, this is, the wolf here is played by a stray dog that lived on the Universal lot, who Lon Cheney adopted after this.

Oh, that's nice.

Yeah.

Well, can we talk real quick?

Because they all went to this festival together.

We've got Gwen, Larry,

and Jenny.

Jenny with the bread hair.

And they just

left her without telling her they were leaving.

Yeah.

They just ditched Jenny with the bread hair.

Like, she can leave breadcrumbs if she gets lost

from her hair.

But they just ditched her.

And I was like, what the hell?

Why would you do that?

Like, just leave a woman by herself in this time period.

It seems wild.

Jenny does seem to have a, like, it's almost like a kind of military nurse uniform looking outfit.

Also, which I found that to be interesting.

But yeah, they just ditch her like that.

Oh, my God.

That front, Jenny would be, if I were Jenny, I'd be like, fuck you, Gwen.

Our friendship is over.

Also, I'm dead.

So it is.

A wolf killed me.

Friendship over.

So, So, yeah, so

Larry,

Larry Lawrence Lonchaney Jr.

beats the wolf with a cane

pretty brutally.

But let's just he adopted the dog in real life, so that's good to know.

Yes.

So later, when the kind of police go to investigate Jenny dying, they find Bella.

That's the name of the character and the actor, too, Bella.

They find his body and they kind of like accuse, they accuse Larry of the whole thing.

By the way, I love that his name is like Larry.

It's the perfect name for

that guy.

I'm Larry.

I have a question for you.

Oh, my fly's been down the whole movie.

I'm Larry.

Oh, crackers.

Can I?

Wait, I have, I have, okay.

I was thinking about this, and it's like, how many people you know name Larry?

I have an uncle, Larry, who is married to my aunt, Lori.

Larry and Lori.

And their last name is Knight.

It's Larry and Lori Knight.

They're the coolest.

He's a bass player, too.

He's like played for Pam Tillis and people like that.

But like, how many Larrys do you guys know?

I got a cousin Larry.

No way.

I do.

I got a cousin Larry.

Larry Lieb.

No.

And my middle name is.

It'd be great if Larry Lieb was just a fucking alpha.

It was just a buff.

A surfer or something.

We got Larry Lieb and Larry and Lori.

What about you, Jordan?

What Larry's name?

No, no.

No Larry's in your life.

No Larry's.

No alliterative Larrys.

Get off this podcast.

We don't want you anymore.

Replace me with someone who knows Larry.

All people who know Larry.

You don't know Larry.

You're not on the show.

Get out of here.

Scram.

Our hearts go out to the Larrys of the world.

Larrys, we love you.

Even if you can't tie your shoes.

Oh, crackers.

So,

in the fight with the dog, Larry gets bitten and he's kind of like starting the transformation.

He starts to see these like insane images of like Bella and the other like fortune tellers and like wolves flying at his head.

It's very, very cool.

Um, and he gets home and he pulls up his legs and he's getting a little hairy.

He's got the he's got the hairy legs and he shows his feet.

They're getting hairy.

They're going to start calling me Hairy Larry.

Well, I was like, the minute I saw this, I was like, maybe I can get Matt Lee to cut this together and we can put apple bottom jeans, boots with the fur.

Because he starts creeping through the woods like

that.

He does.

He has this delicate little ballerina wall.

And it is like kind of creepy.

You know,

yeah, it is like creepy.

And they don't really explain why Bella transformed into an actual wolf and then he's this, I don't know.

Yes, yes, absolutely.

So he, at night, goes out and kills a gravedigger.

Interesting, none of this is hooked to the full moon.

They never really mention it.

I guess there are other Wolfman sequels where it is about the full moon, but it's just like not an issue here.

Yeah.

And when he kills the gravedigger, the gravedigger screams out something.

Did you guys hear that part?

I know.

I don't remember.

Yeah,

he screams.

He screams this.

You're killing me, Larry.

I'm sorry.

This is a sit-in sleep.

Are these national commercials?

These might be local.

If you're in the LA.

This is a

lot of people.

You're killing me, Larry.

Sit and sleep will be anyone's mattress price or your mattress.

Mattress is free.

There is a, I love these.

I don't know if these are national.

I've only lived in California.

I've mostly lived in Southern California.

I've been hearing the sit and sleep commercials my whole life.

And there's one, and they do seasonal ones.

They do them for like holidays.

And there's, there's a, there's one that starts out with this voice.

This voice is talking about mattress sales.

And he's like, who's that?

It's around Halloween.

And he's like, who's that?

And the guy in the commercial is like, it's the devil, Larry.

I like in the world of these mattress commercials, they've seen the devil.

That's amazing.

The devil is real.

I've ever seen any of these.

I'm more of a Watsons girl.

Oh, cool.

What was the Watsons commercial?

Watsons is like a,

you know, it was hot tubs and pools and like deck stuff was kind of their forte.

But the dad had like a bad toupee and a mustache and he had a young daughter who he put in a swimsuit.

Oh boy.

And she was the Watsons girl.

Yeah.

And she did it for reasons.

She'd just be in a like a hot tub and he'd be like, you know, pool things with blah, blah, blah, blah.

And she'd go, that's Watsons.

And then like be in a pool.

And it's so crazy that people don't know about the Watsons girl.

I talk about it all the time and I guess it was the Southeast in particular, but it is hilarious.

And I don't think it's really, it's of its time.

Like the 80s, 90s is kind of when it happened.

I love those commercials.

I love any mattress commercial that names all of the mattresses.

How many?

See Lee, Certa, Springer, Sternson Foster, Jonathan Wells.

Jonovan Wells.

Well, with any luck, we'll be doing Casper stuff.

So, you know what?

You want this girl to get a bikini on and flap that fucking fupa around?

I got it, buddy.

I will do it for you.

You'll get in a bikini, but be on a mattress.

Yeah, that's Casper, baby.

I could still flap it.

I could still.

That's Casper.

Look at how it bounces.

I sleep on a Brooklyn bedding mattress, and I love it.

Get out of this Brooklyn bedding.

Get out of there.

Dang, that would be cool if we could get them.

They're like fancy.

They're fancy.

It's a nice mattress.

Anyway, so he kills this gravedigger and then some other stuff happens.

We'll talk about it when we come back.

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We're talking about the wolfman.

So, he's running wild.

He's killing all kinds of grave diggers.

The police are looking for him, and his rich dad is getting him off.

His rich dad is like

a damn thing.

You want to rephrase that there, Jordan?

No, no, his rich dad is Jackie him off.

There's a dad on there's some dad on son shit in this.

It's fucking wild.

It's like when the mountain, you know, went against the viper in

Game of Thrones, except for like sexual.

You know,

he popped his other head off.

Giant son, tiny dad.

Tiny dad.

Hold me closer.

Tiny dad.

Jack me off onto the highway.

They're driving out.

Yeah, they're driving out.

He's jacking off on the house.

When Weird Al dies, we are in there, you know?

It's going to be great.

We're going to be the song parodists of America.

Oh, wait.

You want to know something about song parodists?

Sure.

Cletus T.

Judd was this country music weird al.

And that is the first.

He did a stand-up comedy competition for the locals in Nashville to open for him.

And I tied with this guy.

And I still have a copy of the check from Zaney's for $50.

Hey.

Did you get to open for Cletus T.

Judge?

I sure did.

And that's a feather in your cap.

Monty Mitchell was the other one who won.

And he's very funny, too.

I miss Monty.

Hey, Monty.

So

we get a little glimpse of Gwen's shop.

I think it's really funny.

The name of the shop is Seinman Products.

Sane Man Products.

It's like we have a crazy guy, but the store is called Sane Man.

This isn't for you.

Watsons.

You got to get out of here.

It's for Sane Men.

I think you're a wolf.

So he goes, he breaks into Gwen's store, and he tries to get her to run away with him.

And he sees that she has the mark too.

She's got the mark.

So she, I think, in the werewolf lore, whoever has the mark, they're going to be the next victim.

I think it's why we find it's why Bella freaked out so much when Jenny had it is because he knew he was going to kill her.

Yeah.

The pentagram is the sign that you're the next victim, which is why Bella Lugosi freaked out.

I love that scene so much just because of the weird, unnatural dialogue that's happening when he's like, I'm going away.

And she said, Away.

I actually, I have the audio.

Oh, yeah, please.

I love it.

Here it is.

I'm going away.

Away.

But why?

I gotta go.

I can't stay here any longer.

Let me go with you.

I'll fetch a few things and be back in a minute.

No, I really.

I love the break.

I've returned.

I've heard terrible things about away.

It's so hot in a way.

Yeah.

There's no parking in a way.

Hold it.

Let me pack a bag real quick.

And it's like, oh, this is going to take forever.

Oh, my God.

You've seen the shop.

It's going to be wild.

But no, I want to do that.

Next time someone says something disappointing, I'm going to be like, but break up with me.

But why?

But why?

But let me go with you.

But I breaking up with you.

But where?

Next time you break, if you do the breaking up, just say,

I'm going away.

I'm going away.

If they say, away,

just where?

Where?

It's a great way to break up.

So he kind of like knows, he kind of knows that, you know, he's like kind of destined to kill her.

He gives her this like charm that the this romani woman gave him um his dad straps him to a chair yet some more hot dad on sun

dad little dad giant son tiny little daddy the d and b d s m stands for dad

and the b stands for boy son

anyway whatever uh just podcasts are just talking you just talk and it's over um

so they go, kind of the whole town has been,

every pipe-smoking suited man in this town, every man wearing a suit, smoking a fucking pipe, it rules.

They all kind of go out

looking for the werewolf.

Oh, doubling back to just like weird phrasing in this movie.

Jenny and Gwen at an earlier scene explain the like werewolf lore to Larry, who doesn't know anything about it.

And he's like, wait, so let me get this straight.

A man turns into a wolf.

And then they're like, everybody knows about werewolves.

It's such a funny, like,

I mean, it's any dictionary.

We saw that at the beginning.

Oh, that wasn't me reading.

I can't read.

I'm like, yeah, if he doesn't know, who was reading the dictionary in the beginning?

Yeah, whatever.

Us.

Yes, Deanna.

I don't know about werewolves.

Oh, no, my penis fell out again.

Oh, man.

When's the fly go up or down?

My where penis.

Where do I put the straw in my juice?

Box.

Where penis?

Their penis.

Their penis.

oh daddy

dad trappy again i want to show

dad help me away

um so he changes into the wolf man he attacks gwen uh and gwen is saved by his own dad his dad with the silver cane that he bought from gwen's shop uh

he kills his own his last son his so his both his sons have died in hunting accidents crazy Tragic.

And it just ends with Gwen going, Larry.

And like, that's the last guy in the movie.

That's it.

Yeah.

Well, it's that guy's fault for making a baby with a giant woman.

That's like,

oh, yeah.

We never get to.

I wonder what Larry's giant mom is like.

Maybe she's like a Frankenstein's monster or something.

Mary.

Mary made Larry.

The thing is, I'm kind of a giant woman.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was me.

I made the Larry.

I could see you making the Larry.

Yeah, the next time they reboot this thing, you could play Wolfman's mom.

Larry!

Larry's my son!

Sailor!

Sailor man!

What I love about

the movies from this time period is

they didn't have end credits,

so the movie just ends.

They're so abrupt.

Yeah, it's just like, well, that's it.

And there's something I love about that because you're watching, you know, nowadays you're watching something and there's as the time is going, you're just like, oh, there's only 20 minutes left.

That's only really 10 minutes if you include credits and behind-the-scenes bullshit.

Yeah.

And this one, it's just like, nah, man, once it's over, they just turn the lights on in the theater and they just

go away.

Stay tuned for a Bugs Bunny cartoon and some news about Hitler.

Exactly.

Another kind of thing about this movie is it's kind of about how America is afraid of Europe.

And it's like, oh, yeah, and that's okay.

Yeah, I can see

41.

That's kind of about that.

All right.

The original ending to the movie was,

Larry.

Anyways, we should not get involved in foreign wars.

And she looks right down the barrel of the camera.

Right, exactly.

And it's like, oh, no, we got an America firster over here.

Oh, boy.

Oh, boy.

Well, yeah, that's the Wolfman.

Hey, it's time for Honk Watch.

Oh.

Oof.

It's Honk Watch.

So many people.

Nobody.

I have a

hunk.

I have a hunk.

I have a hunk.

Oh, okay.

This is

a minor hunk in the movie.

I'm a minor player, but I think he really shines in his one scene.

The gravedigger.

I think the gravedigger, very good-looking guy, very smartly dressed.

He is smoking a pipe, as all men are in this movie.

Looks like he could

be like a road musician with Mumford and Sons.

He kind of has that

Western fashion.

I think he's a good-looking, good-looking dude with a good job.

I'm kind of into that.

You dig my hole, if you know what I mean.

Hey, I don't.

I think I've seen either.

I've never had sex.

No one knows.

I'm into that dog.

Dog's good.

It's a cute dog.

Can't fuck that dog.

Can't fuck the dog.

Can I fuck that dog?

I'm going Bella Ghosti.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

I agree.

He's one of the people.

I mean, yeah, he was one of the original spooky hunks.

It was one of the most,

like, I don't know, impactful performances in the movie for me.

Like, I honestly think the acting was pretty good, even with our big, like, clunky guy who was not the character.

I will say that his performance when he feels bad that he killed

that kid, it really did make me like well up a little bit.

That was sad for him.

Yeah, there's a couple good acting moments in this movie.

I agree.

I think that scene is really good.

There's a scene where, like, um,

you know, one of the one of the Romani women is like saying a prayer over Bella Lugosi's dead body.

Yeah.

Um, and that's like a really, you know, that's a pretty like affecting scene.

There's a little moment that takes me out of it.

She's like saying this, like, you know, this, this prayer, this kind of like pre-written prayer.

And then she says something about, like, go to the other side, my son.

And I'm like, he was your son?

You're the same age.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

At that point, I was just like,

ages back in these days, everyone just looked old.

Listen, I want you to know something.

I don't think it means anything ever.

Like, I've been watching Outlander.

Sure.

The ages,

it doesn't make any sense.

And I'm just like, people look like how they look.

I don't know.

Like, we're just going with it.

All right.

Well, age ain't nothing but a number.

I guess.

Emily Fleming.

Yeah.

I look 20.

Say it.

Say that it's true.

You look 20.

You look 20.

I said it 20.

Thank you.

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Emily, what'd you think of the Wolf Man?

I'm going to give it a five.

I thought it was so beautiful.

Like, it was so pretty to look at.

It was short and sweet.

Yeah, short and sweet.

I appreciate that.

I wish there were some lingering scenes with a bunch of dudes talking about is he a wolfman or isn't he?

Could have done without it.

Could have done some more cool shop stuff.

Like, what does she have to do to dust all that shit?

I need to know.

Like, there's, I feel like there were some things we could have done with the relationship between Larry and Gwen that could have been more interesting.

But yeah, I think a five.

I think it was fun and short and worth watching.

Matt, what'd you think?

I'm giving it a five, too.

All of the reasons that Emily explained, minus the part where

you wanted to see dusting.

You didn't want to see dusting.

No, I think I'm glad.

I like windows getting cleaned.

You want to see toilets getting clean.

Absolutely.

I mean, you have a wife, so I guess you don't know what that's like.

I don't dust.

I don't dust.

And I don't want to care about dusting.

But yeah, I actually

was impressed with how high quality it was.

I thought I was going to be watching a B movie.

It didn't really feel like a B movie.

So

I'm giving it a nice solid five.

Yeah,

I always write a little bit harder for these for these creaky old black and white movies.

I love them.

I'm going to give it a seven.

I really like these.

I think they're fun to watch, even though they are slow and boring.

But they are very fun to look at.

And yeah, if you kind of like film history stuff and kind of like thinking about the

influence and context of things,

they're a blast.

And yeah, I love that they've stuck around.

And I love that they're free with ads.

I think it's so cool to be able to go like, oh, I guess I've never seen the Wolfman movie before.

So it's an easy click.

I like that a lot.

So, yeah, that's the Wolfman.

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Anything going on?

All right.

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Absolutely.

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It's going to be a fun little show.

That's fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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Come see me there.

It is a free event.

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