She Freak

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I'm Jordan Morris, and I'm Emily Fleming.

Today's movie is She Freak, the 1967 Grindhouse horror movie that will scare the shit out of you if you're afraid of montages and jazz music.

With us always is super producer Matt hitting us with those freaky drops.

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Before we talk about this movie, which is as of this recording streaming free with ads, we're going to answer a question somewhat to our email address in a a segment we call We Got Mail.

You got mail.

This letter is from Riley Gray.

They write, hey, gang, just wanted to say thanks for watching Showgirls this week.

I was terrified of this movie as a child because I thought the poster was of a weird snake woman, and she scared the piss out of me.

Oh my god.

That's true, though.

It's so, I can totally see it.

Yes, because she had one leg.

It's like, I'll never forget the poster.

Yeah, so scary, but also disappointing if you're like anticipating a snake woman movie.

You're like, what the fuck?

No one's transforming into a snake in this movie.

I thought this was like an anaconda type thing, and instead it's.

I mean, that's what the poster should have been for She-Freak, kind of, I guess.

Oh, that's a great point.

That's a great point.

Riley goes on to write,

so getting to watch Showgirls along with y'all for the show was my own version of exposure therapy, and I can happily say I am now afraid of Showgirls' awful dialogue, but not the poster.

So thanks for that.

Nice.

Question for all of you.

Is there a movie you haven't seen because you were afraid of the poster as a kid?

Oh, my God.

I'm not alone in this.

Emily, sounds like you have an answer.

Okay, wait.

First of all, I said, oh, my God, because I realized something about the poster for Showgirls.

Is she in the shape of an S?

Is that what the point of that is?

Oh, shit.

I didn't realize that.

Is she?

I think she's.

Yeah, because why else would you only give her one leg?

What is that?

Why?

Sure.

Oh, man.

This is like

when you see the arrow in the FedEx logo.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, wait.

Showgirls poster.

I got to see if it.

No, it doesn't work.

No, it's not quite it.

It is, though.

It is an S.

No, it is.

Oh, it is, kind of, but the leg needs to be.

Yeah, the leg needs to be bent and then the toes bent in the other way.

It's, yeah.

It was the 90s, so I think she was supposed to be a Stusy symbol.

Oh.

What the fuck?

You can capitalize off Steusie Bany.

I get it.

What is Steusie?

Stusie is something cool guys used to draw instead of doing their homework.

It's like an S that.

Yeah, the S with six lines, three up top, three at the bottom.

Yeah.

Wait, you're a girl.

You're not supposed to know that.

No, everybody knew how to do that.

But also,

it was kind of a fun exercise in understanding perspective.

Oh, yeah.

I really liked it.

It helped me to learn about

like it.

Like, for example, if you were to draw the showgirls poster, you would go, okay, what would the shadow be like of the leg behind that leg?

It is like, okay, the S thing, that is the showgirl's poster, if you think about it.

100%.

That is crazy.

I have a movie poster that I was scared of as a kid.

I have a couple, actually.

A couple things come to mind.

First of all, the poster for Ghoulies, the Gremlins reboot about the monsters that come out of the toilet.

Does anyone remember this?

Do not know ghoulies.

Yes.

I've heard about that, but it's very hard to find.

It's very hard to find find to watch.

I have not, I've never seen this movie.

I would like to see it at some point to conquer my fear.

And I guess the,

you know, the thing that horror film nerds will tell you is that like they don't really come out of the toilet a lot in the movie.

That was just something they did for the poster, and then like it became the toilet monster movie.

So I guess in future ghoulies sequels, they're always popping out of the toilet.

Anyway, I have never seen this movie.

I was just so afraid of getting my butt bitten by one of these things.

100%.

100%.

Mostly my balls.

The balls.

Oh, don't even get me started on the balls.

The balls are just a target.

They're just waiting there to be bitten by a ghoul.

Okay, I have

something, but I don't know if it's real or not.

And I'm going to need

our listeners to help me.

Okay.

So when I was a kid, we had a Compton's grocery store, which was like a, I think it was a small local owned grocery store.

I don't think

we had a video, like a VHS rental section, which was really just wrapped around one of the aisles like it was like the produce is on one side and the cereal was on the other and there was like a little thing between with vhs

and we would we would get stuff from there but there was this cover of a vhs that i could have sworn the actress was bernadette peters yes as a small child i knew who the fuck bernadette peters was um

Little orphan Annie, you know, we all knew.

Anyway, I mean, yeah, so many.

The jerk, but also Shelly Duvall's fairy tale Theater.

She's in Sleeping Beauty, I think.

Anyway.

A legend.

So beautiful.

And I was really obsessed with it.

But then I saw what I thought was her, but she's on the cover.

And it's like there's all these hands grabbing her like body.

And it looks like they're kind of tearing the clothes off.

And it looks like they're trying to pull her into a wall.

And I remember looking at that and trying to remember it and rubbing it out to it.

And I don't know if it's a real movie, though.

I'm looking it up right now.

Bernadette Peters, hands all over her movie, and then it's not coming up.

So if you have another way to search for it, and maybe it wasn't her, maybe it was just somebody who I thought looked like her, but I'm pretty sure it was a horror movie.

I'm going to go ahead and guess.

What a mystery.

This is just like, if you think you know what it is,

but I may have just had like a fucking fever dream at some point as a kid.

I don't know, but I feel like it exists.

Help me find it.

It wasn't porn.

There you go.

Matt, do you have anything off the dome when it comes to posters that scared you?

I immediately had it.

The first is the poster for a movie that I have never seen called Dead Alive.

Oh, yeah.

Sure, sure.

And that's one, the poster is a woman pulling her lips apart and

in her mouth is a tiny little skull.

And I don't know what that movie is about.

I assume.

It scared the shit out of me, that movie.

Yeah, I just never saw it it just looked scary as hell and then there's a movie it's called

okay so i think it's called ants

i'm not talking about the animated feature with okay uh it's not an it's not the you were scared of that movie because you knew about woody allen you knew yes that would eventually come out about i was like there's just something off about him you were also like uh there's a bug's life i don't know what that is yeah that was mostly my

scared me because i was like is is hollywood never going to have an original idea again?

No, there was a movie I.

You just got over all those asteroid movies that came out the same year, and now this.

No, there was like impact.

What a horny name for a movie by the way.

Yeah, deep impact is a I never put that together, but you're right.

That is very horny.

What the fuck name is that?

So, I think the movie is called Ants.

All I remember as a kid was being at the video store, and it was a movie where the poster was a woman's titties

covered in ants.

And I just remember making shit up.

No, I'm not sure.

I swear to God,

listeners, if you're out there,

let me know if ants is real or if this was just some sort of fever dream that I had,

not unlike Emily Fleming, but I believe it was a movie.

It looked like it was a 70s horror film about what if ants covered your titties.

And as a kid, I felt like it was the closest thing I got to seeing like a naked lady until I discovered the penthouse forums under my dad's bed.

But that's a story for another day.

So if that's real, let me know.

Or maybe that is just an alternative poster for the animated kids' classic ants.

All right.

Weirdos, you got a homework assignment.

Find this Bernadette Peterson.

You guys

have an idea based off of that.

Oh.

Okay.

If I were to ever have an OnlyFans page, it would be very boring.

It would be kind of horny stuff, but not like sexy stuff.

Sure.

If we did, like, what was that movie where people ate bugs?

Fear Factor.

If we did, like, a slutty Fear Factor, we could put someone in a glass box where only their titties are exposed and then put ants in there.

I mean, now we're just

creating a lot of people to do it.

We'll either be like, yes, as long as you're not fire ants, put some ants on my titties.

I don't know.

Yeah, that was the other thing.

I think we've got a million-dollar idea.

I'm down for ant titty recreations.

Ant titty.

Whatever floats anyone's boat.

I don't judge.

No kink shaming here.

Well, if you're out there and you know either of these movies or you can construct giant glass boxes, we want to hear from you free with ads at maximumfun.org.

Thank you, Riley, for your letter.

And

yeah, now we're going to talk about She-Freak.

But before we do, we should mention that there is a scene of partner violence.

So if that's something you don't want to hear us talk about, we're going to play some music and give you a chance to find another episode.

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We're talking about She Freak.

And I don't think there's a better way to get the vibe of this movie than to play the trailer.

It's from the 60s, so you know, it's got one of those great voiceover heavy trailers.

Matt, can we play a little bit of this thing?

You got it.

Barbaric occurs behind the tenth and tensile of a monster midway on the alley of nightmare.

You'll gasp in astonishment when you witness nature's human mistakes.

You'll see it all and more when you see She-Freak.

It's so not a good advertisement for what happens.

I mean.

You barely ever see anyone else.

Anyway, we'll get into it.

No, it is

great trailer.

It is not a great trailer, and it also gives away the entire movie.

No, it doesn't.

I mean, the word freak is in there, but it's like

you don't really see much of anything.

You see some flashes of the surprise ending that is a surprise to no one.

You see a lady kiss a snake.

That's about as much of that as you see.

You see a little flash of our hero slash lead villain of the movie.

Anti-hero.

As a freak.

But we don't want to do any spoilers on this one.

Wait, do you already.

Well, I mean, it's in the name of the thing.

That's true.

I think we all know she's freaking by the end of this thing.

We know she freaks.

We know she freaks.

But

is she with it?

We know she freaks.

So she.

So this movie from the 60s, I will say something I noticed right off the bat looks fucking beautiful.

Not because it was a well-made movie.

It is not.

But it has been restored in a really nice way.

It is really, really, like, the colors pop in this movie.

It's the 60s, so the outfits all look awesome.

I looked into it a little bit.

This movie got restored by the American Genre Film Archive, which is a pretty cool organization I didn't know anything about that kind of takes these, like, you know, B-movies, Schwaki movies, trash movies, and like gives them nice restoration.

So

A-G-F-A.

I hope we watch more of your movies in the future.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm going to look that up as soon as we're done with this.

Yeah, super, super cool.

Hey, this movie starts out with a special thanks to the American Carnival Association.

I loved that.

I loved it immediately.

It made me love the movie immediately.

And they say something about how the leader of the American Carnival Association

did his best to rid the organization of Montebanks.

What is a Montebanks?

Goddamn it.

I think it's just like a sleazy, a sleazy guy, a Montebank, a no-good nick.

Yeah.

So lots of good old-timey-isms in this thing.

I fucking hate that.

But I mean, what I think they were trying to do is say, this is inspired by, you know,

what, you know, legends of this.

But this is an upstanding business that is, you know, a lot of good things about it.

So these are right there.

There's a lot of stereotypes about, you know, Carneys, you know.

In fact, I don't even, at this point, I'm

not sure.

Is that a slur?

I feel like we're not going to say Carney's anymore because that at this point is that.

Well, I think that it's always kind of been one of those words where you go, I don't know.

And then you go, why not?

Let's just not say it.

Like, you know, it's like, I don't know, but it doesn't sound good.

I so rarely have cause to say it.

Let's call them amusement professionals, traveling,

itinerant amusement professionals.

Yeah, but I guess she freak is fine.

Oh, yeah, she freaks.

She's a proud freak.

Exactly.

My mom was a freak.

So, yeah, so I think, I think, kind of practically, this movie was shot at a carnival in Bakersfield.

So, I think they had to say, like, we're not making you guys look bad.

We're playing nice.

Anyway, so, yeah, clearly, this movie was just shot at a carnival that was going on.

Anyway, we get a little bit.

It kind of made it seem like it was in the south a couple of times.

Like, she chose to have an accent sometimes.

Perfect accents.

Other times it wasn't there.

It was like, worst accent.

Country girl.

The worst accents this side of True Blood.

Oh, yeah.

Real bad.

So, yeah, we start out with a long montage of carnival stuff.

I hope you like this shit because that's the most of the movie.

And the credits have something really amazing.

A lot of times, movies of this time, like they would thank the fashion designers in the credits.

It would be like,

you know,

Audrey Hepburn's gowns provided by Edith Head or something like that.

Really?

That used to be a thing?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, totally.

If you watch old movies around this time, like the fashion designers were kind of a big deal and they'd get a little bit of a shit.

That shit still happened yeah so this one has maybe the greatest one of all time they have miss brenna's wardrobe provided by sassy pants no

no

it says it at the opening or

the opening credits thank you sassy pants for all the wardrobe in this movie i mean you just know that sassy pants put like at least ten thousand dollars in this film and they were just like oh you're mentioning us at the i don't know about ten thousand i'm gonna say maybe five 500.

Maybe 500, but that's a lot for inflation.

Really good $500.

I'm going to do a deep dive on Sassy Pants here soon, eventually, and I'll let you know.

Yeah, is Sassy Pants still around?

Can I find some original Sassy Pants clothing on eBay?

We want to know.

Probably.

We'll find out.

So we get a shot of the freak show at the carnival.

Everybody's looking at a strange creature in a pit.

We don't see what that creature is, but we get this shot of a woman looking down at it and screaming.

This is very effective.

I was pretty scared by this.

Guys, that girl's the best actress or actor in the entire movie.

Oh, totally.

Yeah, this woman screaming really sells it and sets you up for

a scarier movie that does not happen.

I know.

They needed her to do that or else no one would watch it.

Yeah, there's a couple of shocking things in this movie, but it is mostly

real slow.

Anyways,

we meet our main character.

We've called her a hero.

We've called her an anti-hero.

It's all true.

It's Jade.

She works in a diner with her boss, whose name, I guess, is Greasy.

She calls him Greasy, but I watch this with subtitles, and every time he talks, his name is Greasy.

So he's just a big fucking diner scumbag.

Yep.

Yep.

He's a greasy guy.

He looks like his name is Greasy.

He looks greasy.

I guess they were like, what are we doing here trying to name him Steve?

Just call him Greasy.

Call the man Greasy.

Yes, names have power.

And I think this well, I mean, Greasy is the greatest callback of the whole movie.

That's right.

Oh, yeah, sure.

Greasy, Greasy will return.

I knew it was going to happen.

As soon as we meet him and he's just like, you watch, something bad's going to happen.

We already know the movie's called She Freak, so we know it's going to happen.

But him saying that, I'm like, I wonder if he'll be there.

So, Jade, she's a small-town girl with a southern accent sometimes, and she wants to get out of there she wants to get to somewhere nonspecific no specific dreams on jade she just wants to get out of there uh and she meets a stranger who's there working for the carnival and she

she she tells greasy that she's quitting to join the carnival and he says what are you gonna do dance the hoochie coochie

apparently this is a huge fucking slam huge fucking slam

is the guy who came into the diner the one that she eventually marries, like the one who owns the place?

Is that how the guy who she eventually marries?

I did not clock until she like married him.

I'm like, who's that?

I think he's in the opening scene.

I mean, so yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A lot of just also, can I point out the fact that she said, I don't want to end up like my mom, 45

and like miserable.

And I'm like, bitch, how old are you?

Like, you are

easily older than your mom.

Who's the mom?

It's like the 60s makeup and dress style just looks like way older than you would think.

So, yeah, seeing her, I was like, is she supposed to be a teen because she looks like

a librarian?

You know what I mean?

She looks like

a lawyer.

She smokes cigarettes and tans a lot.

Yes.

And is just like, I'm still young.

And you're like, okay, Betty, like, you know, whatever.

Okay.

Like,

and we just go, okay, I guess.

So she gets out of there.

She goes to the carnival.

She is wearing the pointy, pointiest 60s-ass bra I've ever seen.

Oh, yeah.

Right-angle, right-angle jugs on this one.

Honestly, I want some pointy-ass bras.

I've never had to wear them.

Well, then call the folks sassy pants for all your

dangerous bra needs.

You need a dangerous bra that could poke two eyes out?

Oh, sassy pants.

They pass a cart at the carnival that is advertising tacos and coffee.

What a putrid combination.

Can you imagine a hot cup of coffee and some carne asada?

Yeah, nothing says the south like those two things.

Yeah, right.

They're just trying to let you know how freaky this carnival is.

Whoa, tacos and coffee.

That's fucked up.

Weird flavor profiles over here, dude.

This must be a freaky.

It's the morning.

Time to shit.

Like, just sure it is.

Yeah, that's true.

Are you backed up?

Come to tacos and coffee.

Clear yourself out.

It's a spot.

Clear yourself out.

Anyway, so she gets a job.

She's cleaning tables just like she did at the diner.

Oh, boy, this is not what she envisioned.

And she meets Moon, Jade and Moon, two of the most 60s ass names in history.

Moon is

the carnival stripper, stripper, which is, I guess, something they had.

She just, that's something that they could have.

Well, it's like burlesque.

She said she got as naked as the law would allow.

Right.

So that made me think, okay, she's not getting topless, bottomless, but it's still like horny.

So I feel like it's just burlesque

in like the vaudeville circus, you know, whatever kind of review.

But she's also the coolest lady in the whole movie.

Yeah.

Coolest person in the whole movie.

She totally rules, is a good actor.

Maybe she'll be the lead of the movie.

I don't know.

Yes, she should be.

Well, this character is so rad and like gives our main character, who is also an asshole, a place to live while she's doing what she needs to do.

And it's like two cool, like, cool girls hanging out.

But I was like, why is she being so nice to her?

Oh, she's going to be the reason that she becomes a she-freak.

Right.

I was thinking.

She's going to betray her or something.

That's what I assumed was going to happen.

Right.

I assumed a much more interesting movie.

Yeah, you assumed a better movie.

And then it didn't happen?

Yeah.

So she's befriended by Moon, who kind of like shows her the ropes, teaches her all the carnival lingo.

But then we also meet the Ferris wheel guy, Blackie Fleming, great-grandfather of Ebily Fleming.

I know.

I knew you guys.

And they say his last name so much.

They really do.

Like, it is just constant.

And if someone could do a super cut of that, that'd be real fun.

All the Flemings in this.

Yeah,

we should say up at the top, if you're worried about this, Blackie Fleming appears to be a white guy.

He is a white guy.

He is a white guy.

Yeah, that was confusing to me.

Why would they call someone that?

Is there like...

Back in the day, it was just

one of the nicknames.

You know, when you hear like good old boy nicknames or old names like Squee and Junior and, you know, ball.

Yes, we have in our family lore a little Johnny.

Yeah, exactly.

Everything bad has happened to Lil Johnny.

Like every

in my like extended southern family, there's three Bubbas and they're hard to

three, yeah, there's three Bubbas.

It's really wait, was it short for anything?

I don't think so.

I think it's just something you call a dude.

I think if it's just you blackie, Bubba, Chudsu.

Oh, okay.

You know, that's what they were called.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

Anyway, yeah, their names are like Chris or something like that.

And I just realized something really quickly that I would like to retract from the thing I said earlier.

The fact that I assumed that the other girl who was like giving our main character a place to stay had like bad intentions, that really shows something about me.

No, I think, I think I'm just like, why is this lady being so nice to another lady?

She's trying to destroy her.

I'm going to destroy her.

What the fuck is wrong with me?

No, it's okay.

I got to point that out.

That sucks.

I'm sorry.

I think, just given how crazy this movie is,

you can maybe assume that it has bad politics.

And I guess it does, but like

maybe not in exactly the way that you think it does.

Exactly.

But I was kind of like, I'm like, oh, yeah, Showgirls was kind of that, where you're just like, why is like, show me what your nails are.

Like, you're like, yeah.

Movies really didn't want women to like each other.

I'm kind of putting it together now more than I ever have.

Anyway, continue.

Yes.

Anyway, so

Blackie, he's trouble.

He's a bad boy.

He fixes the Ferris wheel.

He's, I think, probably the tallest person in the movie.

Yeah, I'd say so.

Tallest guy.

So we see some of the freaks in the freak tent.

We see the snake handling woman who's just wearing a lovely hand-knitted sweater.

The snake woman,

she looks like she's a manager at Joann's Fabrics during the week.

And on the weekend, she comes and handles snakes.

It's so funny how wholesome the snake-handling woman is.

The whole thing is wholesome.

Okay.

That whole

carnival of people are really nice people.

I do not understand.

I think I don't know what a freak show is because I assumed that when they were like, oh, freaks, that it was going to be just exploiting people with disabilities.

And there was, you know, there were a couple, maybe, but for the most part, it was just like old woman with snake,

skinny guy.

You know, someone's not.

Well, I think it's just people who live on the fringes of society.

It's very strange to call them a freak.

It's like, I just, I guess I was like, okay, are they freaks?

Or is that just a guy who's really into snakes?

Like, I don't understand why.

Something tells me the budget didn't include like a casting director.

Like, something tells me that was part of it.

But

I have been to carnival freak shows.

I don't know if you have, Jordan.

Have you?

No, I have never.

Yeah, I mean, I've been to Carnival before.

I kind of like them.

But yeah, I don't think I've ever been to one that included a freak show.

I guess I can think of like that thing you're talking about where it's like a kind of ironic

burlesque type show where there's a sword swallower or like something like that.

Fire breather.

That kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Is any

freak show?

Is that freak stuff?

Or is that just loser stuff?

It's a loser show.

Right.

If they called it a loser show, I'd be like okay i get it yes anyone who knows sword swallowers are losers well i mean i'm a bigger loser but let's be real

listen no it's more

freak in the way that a mean girl says freak like ew you're a freak

i thought it meant like i got an arm growing out of my nose Okay, well, the beginning of the movie was very, very concerned about portraying these carnivals in a negative, stereotypical light, which was really lovely.

So I feel like they're just implying, based on our lead characters' like opinion of them that they're freaks without like demonizing certain things as freakish.

I think that's what they were trying to do.

This is the wokest movie of the 60s.

I've got really good.

Anyway, I did go to freak shows.

Nashville, it was the Tennessee State Fair.

Okay.

I went to two years of it, and there was the world's smallest woman

who was very tiny.

She did not look like she was stoked.

And then there there was the world's largest alligator which i am positive was fake but because it wouldn't move it was well that's probably because it was sad yeah

yeah he was probably in the world's smallest trailer yeah exactly

yeah they're making me marry the world's smallest wolf

having funnel cakes thrown at him by the world's drunkest tourists

i just thought that alligators didn't like fucking moving but really it's just it was so sad.

I was depressed.

Because if I think about it, these people don't have great, like, special effects to be making a perfectly like.

No.

Yeah, that was a sad alligator.

Yeah.

And then, hang on.

There was another one, which was a guy who did too much drugs.

See, that's okay.

So at this point, they had like this, this big, it was there to scare kids into not doing drugs.

And

it was

already land

no no no it was a kind of actually yeah

he was very big he was very big and he was in a room full of smoke it just had smoke all the time and he's like on a chair like a lazy boy chair and he's got like it was really weird i will say because the airbrush like sign that was outside of it because you had to pay individually per show like you just walked in a circle around the person

and same thing with the alligator that was in a tank.

But yeah, that was the first show when I was 11 years old, Tennessee.

Okay.

And I was like, I assume y'all had the same thing.

Jesus, my childhood is kind of fucked.

As a recovering drug addict, I want to say it is very, very funny to me that I could have also had a career as a drugstore.

You would have made a killing

drugs.

That is wild.

Amazing.

Sit in a trailer, get fucked up, and

eat all the nachos you can.

Kids, don't be like me.

I'm going to go to sleep for 18 hours.

Yeah.

So,

Jade, she's having a great time at the carnival.

She's staying at the motel with Moon.

She gets her palm read, and the palm reader sees something unusual.

She says, your lifeline stops and then starts again.

So we know that Jade is going to get a new beginning.

Ooh, spooky.

Anyway, we get a long-ass taking down the carnival montage.

A lot of montages in this, a lot of jazz music.

Just walking around.

If you're like interested in carnival logistics, this movie is like fucking stoking you out.

Like, oh, cool.

That's how they raised the posts.

Also, I.

That's how they get the tent up.

Oh, cool.

Oh, sweet.

But

there are so many scenes of our characters walking to and fro certain areas that I'm like, I know the entire layout of this carnival like i've seen them walk everywhere because the walking montages are so long i've never seen a movie that is a majority b-roll i know wild it's like legit half b-roll it's like well you have good stock footage now put this into a movie like no that is the movie it's not just

and crazy jazz like the jazz is like so jazzy and i at first i was like this is cool okay and then by the end, I was like, Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

So

during one of the carnival takedowns, she goes back to Blackie's trailer or wherever.

I think he lives in the back of one of the trucks.

Yeah.

He's got a mattress on the floor.

And I love that he has just Blackie spray painted above his mattress.

Like, this is where Blackie sleeps here.

In case I forget, this is my bed.

Emily, this is a bedroom.

Any thoughts on the bedroom?

Is our bedroom for us?

I mean,

I guess I didn't think much of it until you went, oh, the mattress is on the floor.

I'm like, I can't even see it anymore.

I don't even notice.

It's just all I know.

I'm kidding, no.

No, it was, it sucked in there.

And I was kind of crazy.

It was kind of crazy she went in there.

I just was like,

she doesn't seem like she would do this.

And then, because there were a lot of decisions this character made that I didn't see coming.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I didn't see any of them coming.

She just makes weird choices that don't add up, but this was one of them.

So yeah, so she's in there with Blackie.

She like makes fun of him.

They like slap each other.

He takes off his shirt and stands in the corner like he's about to be killed by the Blair witch.

I know!

And then he's just standing there shirtless, and she goes over to him and like caresses him.

And then they like do it.

You don't see it, but it kind of like cuts to her

leaving the trailer.

It's very weird.

So she's like in this kind of like toxic thing with Blackie.

Yeah.

And then

we get a dating montage of her and a clean-cut guy who might be the guy from the beginning of the movie.

I think he owns the whole carnival.

Yeah, exactly.

So she's she's going going with Blackie, but then there's also this guy, and they like hang around the carnival together.

It's like, you both fucking work there.

Don't go on a date to work.

Yeah.

Like, we don't take people to do a podcast with us, you know like

if i was single i might yeah hey

come talk about alien versus predator with me

my dumb friends this is pretty much the only way i stay in contact with people i know is podcasting with them so i kind of get it i would um so yeah she's like dating this guy they go and they they try on a lot of little hats it's just there's so much montage i think they probably couldn't use sound at this carnival it's probably like too expensive so that's i think that's that's why why there's so much soundless shit in the movie.

I think that's a really, yeah, I think that that's so you think that they dubbed all the audio in afterwards?

I

added jazz.

And added jazz.

Just a band behind the camera.

So they try on a lot of little hats.

One of them is a

is a Confederate Army hat.

And I will say, as someone who is good, that is the worst hat in the movie.

The worst hat.

Thank you.

Yes.

I think that's the worstest hat

of all the movies we've seen.

But there's a lot of fun little hats in that montage.

Of course, other than the Confederate Army.

There's a lot of best hats in that, but that one was the worst hat.

I bet that's what most of their budget was, those fucking hats.

Their hat budget was crazy.

Sassy Pants wasn't covering that.

So then

sassy pants, not sassy hats.

You need to call sassy hats.

It's run by my loser brother.

Oh, boy.

The sassy family is being torn apart.

This is like the Zane to a chicken disaster.

Or House of Sassy, right?

House of Sassy.

Terrible Italian accents in that movie.

Yeah.

Horrible.

I need to control.

Love of the Sassy House.

Thank you, Jared.

Jared, Leto.

Doing a great job.

He's brilliant.

I guess.

So, this guy who she's going on these dates with, she marries him, hard cut to them getting married.

And so they like are on this honeymoon.

He's calling her Mrs.

St.

John.

And the guy's got this voice.

He's got this 60s movie guy voice.

Good morning, Mrs.

St.

John.

Yeah, his voice is the worst part because everything else about him is hot as fuck.

And then that voice happens and you're like,

everything is hard.

I can't get why she's cheating on him.

Everything this guy said made me laugh.

And there's this great part where he's trying to like order them room service.

Yes, I knew it.

I knew it.

And she wants to do it, and he wants to order room service.

So she's.

And eggs.

Eggs.

So she's kissing him like up and down the neck, very not sexually.

And he's just listing breakfast foods on the phone that he wants.

He's like,

eggs, bacon,

hash browns, coffee.

And it's this giant breakfast order.

Cinnamon rolls.

Yeah,

spinny toast.

He says toast, butter, and then he goes

jam.

Jam.

Knife.

Yeah.

After a while.

Include the butter.

I think we'll just bring up the butter.

Yeah, don't worry about the jam and the fucking butter.

Napkin plates.

Bring me

little kiss.

Little kiss.

Come to drink.

Andy's mint.

For after.

Anyway, so that's that's pretty good.

But she is, as Emily mentioned, still sneaking off with Blackie periodically.

And this will lead to the eventual freakening that we'll talk about when we come back.

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We're talking about She Freak.

So, Jade,

she's got these two guys and she turns them against each other.

Blackie comes over to the hotel and he gets in a big fight with that guy.

I forget his name.

His last name is St.

John, whatever.

I do not husband guy.

And Blackie stabs him and Jade looks happy about it.

It's so weird.

It's so weird.

So I guess, so I guess we cut to her like in a, you know, in a power suit, getting out of like a Cadillac.

She owns the carnival now.

It turns out Chief Freak was the original girl boss.

That's right.

It was kind of that.

And can I tell you that suit she comes out of the car with that bright red with this like fuchsia purple?

I was like, whoa, she stepped in.

Sassy Pants.

Talk about that.

This is a cool thing.

It was, I bet Sassy Pants made that, and I'm like, ooh, that's a color combo.

I'm going to remember.

I loved that suit a lot.

I think we all want a She Freak in the sheets and a girl boss in the streets.

What about a gatekeep in my beat?

Oh, what about

a fire breather in my butt?

Yes.

Sure.

These are all good.

You can say whatever on a podcast.

You can't do bad ones.

No, they're all good.

All are equally good.

Yep.

So

one of her first things that she does as the new boss of the carnival is to fire the freaks.

That's right.

She hates them, apparently.

Oh, the whole movie.

Who else works there?

I don't get it.

i know

blackie i guess i guess it's her and blackie fixing everything is he though he's like the ride operator which i didn't realize there were rides because you don't really see them but i guess there's a ferris wheel and shit right uh so she fires shorty shorty is the one who actually snitched on blackie and her cheating together uh and i would have liked to have talked to him it felt like he was gonna be a big character in this story and then you only see him like at the beginning and then when he rats on her and that's and when he when he does uh like snitch um

saint john whatever his name is husband uh slaps him in the face and i was like damn and it's like this why he's slapping the messenger that's up that moment is so sad because right before it is this amazing scene where He husband and our main girl are in the bed together and she's talking shit about the freaks.

And yeah, like, please don't say that about my friends.

Yes.

It's like the whole movie's

really amazing.

That's my favorite scene in the movie.

Yeah, you're right, Emily.

That scene is great and it's really sweet.

He talks about how like he's doing it in this very like kind of altruistic

crass way, but like he

it is this thing about how like, oh, this show like gives people a second chance and it lets them be self-reliant.

You're right.

That is a very like beautiful scene.

He's a good boss.

The guy who owns this carnival is a nice man who cares about people and thinks of this as a brotherhood.

And

doesn't like that she's talking shit about these people that are part of his family.

The way he talks about it.

Moon feels the same way because she also does the same thing with Moon, where she's like, Why the fuck aren't they married?

I don't get that.

I know they were perfect for each other.

That would have been good listening.

You can't time Moon down.

You can't.

Yeah, I know.

That's true.

She's got a free spirit.

She has

as she calls it.

Oh, yeah.

That's interesting.

That's syphilis, I think.

The freaks.

Not that

birds have syphilis.

So, so the freaks, they get their revenge.

We get this.

This is the last like two minutes of the movie, and it is pretty effective.

It's really crazy and psychedelic.

We get, you know, all these like, and you know, I think to your point, Emily, for the first time, we get people who look like traditionally what you would, like, there's a person with like a bunch of hair, like a wolf man or something like that.

So it's people you would think of as being like part of something like this.

To me, it just looked like a bunch of old people

fucking touching her.

I didn't see any like, I don't know, people with tattoos all over their face.

It was just a very hairy man who looked like he was in Lord of the Rings or something.

Like, was it really?

Yeah.

And an old waitress.

And it's just like, are they freaks or do they just need a job?

Well, I think they're just carnival workers these are not the freaks these are the people that work for the carnival that are like you're not gonna fucking fuck with our people and this supposed to be the freaks i think

i don't know who works at the carnival i don't know i don't know

we have not seen we have not seen any of these people up till this point it's like

of the movie is freaking

is is b-roll they could have used that to give back stories to the freaks i would have loved that yeah but then they would have had to pay people yeah that's true that's true they would would have had to pay people and rent microphones for more than two hours exactly yes um so these these these carnival workers they drag her off and then we see the reveal that we were promised at the beginning of the movie we see her in the pit

and

what does she look like so half her face is paper-mâché is half yeah she's been covered with paper mache on one side of her body to look like it's burned i think okay i thought it was supposed to be like like scales, but then she has like a wolf part of her face and a big eye that doesn't close or just is wide open, does not blink, and a pointy ear and a tail.

She has a tail.

No, she doesn't.

Yes, she does.

There's just a snake back there hanging on.

Oh, there's a tail.

She has a tail.

Rewatch it.

She has a tail.

I don't want to.

I'm telling you.

The jazz is going to keep me up.

It was very

amusing.

At the end of that movie, I felt so uneasy that I like, I was like, how am I going to do a palate cleanser here?

And it was like,

what did I watch?

Oh, I watched Buffy.

That helped a lot.

Way more.

But like, it made me feel like, I don't know, unwell at the end of this movie.

It looked.

So, yeah, so we get this shot of her as the freak.

What did they do to her?

Who knows?

And Greasy is there laughing at her because he saw it coming.

He told her.

And then we get just a smash cut to a Bible verse.

Vengeance is mine.

I will repay, saith the Lord.

End of movie.

Special thanks to sassy pants.

The end of this movie whips so much ass.

It's crazy.

I love it too because it's a 60s movies and all 60s movies ended just the end.

No credits.

This has a Bible verse.

This one has a Bible verse and then it says the end.

and then it's just like all of a sudden my YouTube is just like now you're watching Bubble Boy and I was like I don't want to watch Bubble Boy.

You know now that

sorry.

Now that I'm thinking about it, this does feel like

it was written by Ryan Murphy.

It does a little bit.

I bet you Ryan Murphy has the rights to this.

I bet

trying to find a writer crazy enough to write this.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the movie movie that made him want to become.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I was thinking while I was watching entertainer.

I was thinking, like, I bet David Lynch loves this movie.

I bet

there's so much stuff in this.

I'm like, oh, this is some kind of like David Lynchy type stuff.

I bet this is like the stuff he was watching that made him want to do.

Anyway,

this movie is insane, but you know what's crazier?

The fucking comment section.

Matt, can we take a little dive into the comment section?

Oh, yeah.

Comment section.

I'm just going to go through a couple real quick.

Here's the first one.

Captures an innocent time in the United States, just the way I remember it.

Huh?

What?

This is what your childhood was like?

People grabbing each other and turning them into snake dog monkeys?

And what about this?

And also, like.

Or when women were punished for being sluts.

Right.

Like, is that what you like?

Because it feels like that's maybe what you liked about it.

Also, there's 0% chance that if you were an adult the way you are now in 1967, you'd be like, ooh, what an innocent time.

It's 1967.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

Like you are the same person that

your parents were just yelling at the kids for listening to rock and roll music.

Those Beatles, the longest.

I mean, this could have easily been all of the storyline clips taken out of a porn.

Yes, 100%.

Easily.

Yeah, yeah.

It's all that without the fucking and with a little bit more paper-mâché.

Yeah, a lot, though.

We got a couple more here.

People seem to not realize, well, don't know, was not born yet, whether this move, whether that this B movie was meant for the drive-in theater.

I've seen it debut there.

If it was an actual award-winning movie, it would have been indoors.

Us teens back then wasn't interested in the movie.

We wanted attention ourselves.

This is the best.

And the best excuse for the parents, no, mom, dad, we really did go to the movies.

So, this is, I'm just so I'm clear.

Bad movie outside, good movie indoors.

Yeah, that's how you know a movie is good, is if they put it inside.

Oh, yeah, if a movie's in a building, then it's good.

It's like a good dog versus bad dog type thing.

This feels like chat GPT going, describe the 60s.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, in 60s, good movie inside, bad movie outside.

Teens wanted attention for themselves.

Yeah, too.

Were you jacking off on your team?

100% this person is saying this wasn't really so much a movie you sat and watched.

This is a movie you sat and necked to.

That's essentially what they're saying.

Which I guess I kind of believe that because of all of the long jazz scenes.

I mean, how do you make out or even fuck to this movie?

Like it's like that.

Remember the

song that went viral and it was like

yeah, no, it's it's a weird, it's a weird rhythm to fuck to, I'll say, but it's the 60s, you know, people were experimenting.

One more here.

I buckle up.

This is karma in You Reap What You Have Sown.

I am age 67, and I have seen worse than that in the movie for people that were a-holes and treated others crappy.

My sister Cheryl was murdered in 1993 at age 38 because she told lies on the wrong person.

There's some murder mystery in the comment section of She-Freak.

Okay.

Is that person who's like, you know, I've seen horrible things.

Like, one time my sister was killed.

She caused it herself by doing lies,

which God hates.

Jordan, you need to show, like, send me the username because I want to see what else is on their channel.

Yeah, you have to.

Like, who are they following?

Like, it's always somebody with one subscriber, but I like to see what else they're following.

I watch She Freak and I listen to music reviews by Anthony Fantana.

I love the try guys.

Yeah, I like

my sister tried to tell a lie once and couldn't because she got murdered.

Anyway,

hey, now that we took a little trip to the comment section, let's do the hunk watch.

It's honk watch.

I mean, I'll go first.

Moon, anybody else?

Oh, yeah, she's a total babe.

I'm going with the husband character.

He was so hot.

Like,

you want me to order you breakfast, Emily?

Honestly, can I tell you that scene

was hot?

It was like kind of sexy.

Yogurt, and then I was like,

I was like, this has gone too far.

Like, this is too many things.

Also,

they party were proud.

They didn't have to order that.

But it was hot, and I was also hungry.

Maybe that's part of it.

Sure.

Yeah.

For me,

it's Blackie.

I mean, I know he's a Blackboard.

No, no, say the full name, Matt.

Blackie Fleming.

Sorry.

It's Mr.

Fleming.

My people.

Mr.

Fleming.

The grandfather of Emily Fleming.

Blackie.

He's like a bad guy, and he does do murder.

And he's a bad guy in other ways.

I think that he's got coercion.

Yeah, he's spelled.

Yeah, he's not a good guy, but he is attractive.

We're talking about hunks.

He is handsome.

Let's be real.

He's a hunk.

He's a hunk.

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Yeah,

I'll go first with this one.

Yeah, I like that this exists.

I really, really like that the AGFA like cleaned this up, made it look nice, made it available, because it is very cool.

I think to actually watch, it's maybe more of a five to me.

You know, it is slow.

It is something you could ingest via clips and kind of get the idea.

But like, I love the

the trailer, though.

The trailer, no, not from the trailer.

The trailer suggests something entirely different.

Yeah, um, but yeah, you could kind of like, if you wanted to, like, just scrub to the end of this movie and watch the totally insane last five minutes or so, I think you would have a lot of fun with that.

Yeah, um, yeah, it's really, it's really cool, and I think if you do like retro stuff and the 60s, like you're gonna love the fashion and the music and stuff like that.

So, yeah, a lot of reasons to like this movie, but you know, just be warned, it is like a little slow and weird.

Yeah, um,

Matt, any thoughts?

Uh, She freak, more like three freak.

I give it a three.

I didn't like it.

It's not a good movie.

It's not fun to watch.

Most of it is jazz.

It made me hate jazz.

And

you were such a jazz guy before, huh?

Yeah, I was a big jazz head, and now I don't like jazz no more.

This movie did that to me.

And the moral of it is bad.

The moral is:

you know, how there are some women who

will do anything to get ahead, including cheating on their husband and then having a lot of people.

Also, they're always prejudice against them

by other people.

Well,

isn't it nice to watch them fail?

And like having Greasy be the person who's like standing.

The winner at the end?

Yeah, I was just like, okay, so this movie is just, it's written by incels for incels.

I don't like it.

Yeah, pretty much.

It is, it does have, I think, a pretty woke stance on, you know, people with disabilities.

I did like that.

They are not the bad guys in the movie.

So

for the 60s, they did a great job.

But

I would never have watched that.

Like, that's it.

Emily, any thoughts?

I'm going to do a three as well.

I,

okay, so sometimes with these kind of movies that I've never seen before and they're from the 60s or and they're kind of, you know, D-list or B-lit or whatever, it's like, would it be cool to have on the background of a party?

I think this is even too boring to put on the background of a party.

Like, it's just people walking around.

Like, it's,

I don't know.

And at the beginning of the movie, I was like, oh, cool.

This chick is somebody who's like, don't fucking sexually harass me in my diet in the diner job I've got.

I'm going to move on.

I'm going to show you.

And it then just turns into a more and more horrible person throughout the movie and i'm like why

why did she become this like is it because she's a woman who didn't want to get married and wanted to pursue things on her own is that it and i think that's kind of it should have gotten married should have gotten married um hey that's she freak um let's do a little plug-in before we go um hey uh a couple weeks back for the Max Fun drive.

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You know what?

I've

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I'm not.

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