Reefer Madness (1936)

It's free with ads, the podcast that asked the question: why pay thousands of dollars to send your troubled teen to boot camp when you can sit them down for free and watch a cautionary tale that will make them swear off drugs for good, lest they find themselves laughing in a closet?

I'm Jordan Morris.

And I'm Emily Fleming.

Today's movie is Reefer Madness, the 1936 movie about the dangers of marijuana that was written by people who had either smoked too much marijuana or had never smoked at all.

With us always, the super producer, the He Freak, Matt Lieb, hitting us with those dank drops.

Marie Guill, I know.

Yeah,

my brother.

I'm feeling IRA.

I'm feeling quite Iri as well.

Wait, wait, wait.

What is, who was, who was that?

I'll be honest with you.

I looked up, I love weed on YouTube.

Matt!

And

that was what came up.

It is a, you know, I thought about it.

I was like, I should probably say what the artist is who does that song.

Well, you shouldn't have made it slap so hard.

It's not like I wrote it.

It's good.

Isn't it good?

It's that song that goes, Marijuana in my soul.

Oh, Matt, put some stank on it.

Well, hey,

this is our episode that releases the closest to 420.

So if you don't like talking about the sticky icky, if you're a narc,

then maybe find yourself a podcast about Jesus or something.

We'll do some Jesus shit.

If Passion of the Christ is ever free with ads, we are watching that shit.

Yeah, sure.

That is a very fun Jesus movie that ever.

Oh, it is camp bliss.

Listen,

I'm sure there's 30 Kirk Cameron movies we can watch next week if we want to.

That has to come after Passion of the Christ.

I mean it.

We have to do it.

Well, hey, we're going to talk about Reefer Madness.

But before we get into this movie, which is, as of this recording, streaming free with ads, we want to talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week.

Other free stuff.

Emily, you got something for us from your secret stash.

Or the

DMs that I send both of you at like 11 p.m.

when you have other shit going on.

That's sometimes I read, and sometimes I just double-click and heart.

Yeah.

I know.

You don't always have time or energy to look at all the bullshit I send you.

And I want you to know, I totally understand that.

I'm going to keep sending you stupid shit.

I love it.

Please send.

Okay.

You don't have to watch all of it.

Like, I really don't feel that way.

I want you to know that I don't.

You just need to send it.

There's something that relaxes in your brain once it gets to you.

Okay.

Listen, sometimes I see something and I'm like, oh, they like that.

And I want to send it.

And I do that to so many people.

And then people get overwhelmed by how much shit that I send them.

And they're like, I'm really sorry.

I can't watch all the things.

And I'm like, that's hilarious.

People are like, I'm like, I'll be writing you a letter.

Dear Emily, I love that you're sitting with me, but I can't watch the videos.

I know.

So I don't need any more two-camera comedy bits about ADHD.

I just, I know what ADHD.

I know I send it to you.

I know what ADHD would be like.

Thank you.

But, Emily, you have a whole podcast audience here

to

send your shit to.

So let's do that now.

Why don't you send our listeners a beautiful video that you saw on the internet?

Okay, so John Carpenter just got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

There we go.

Kurt Russell was there.

Hey,

which I think we had an argument about

Kurt Russell or who's the guy from Big Lebaski?

Jeff Bridges.

Maybe we talked Russell v.

Swayze.

It was Swayze.

I think it's more Russell v.

What's this fuck from Dennis Quaid?

No.

Jeff Bridges?

Yes.

Jeff Bridges, Kurt Russell to me are these interchangeable

yin-yang kind of things.

But yeah, I don't know why.

Oh, yeah.

But Kurt Russell was in the thing,

but he never worked with John Carpenter after that.

And people think

Big Trouble in Little China.

That's okay.

Perfect segue.

I guess that.

Escape from Kirk?

I think they work together a lot.

Yes.

God damn it, TikTok.

You convinced me that he had a beef with Kirk Russell.

No, no beef.

Those guys love each other.

But they went, he only did, if he was there at his Walk of Fame thing, why didn't he use him in any other movies?

And I went, yeah, why didn't they?

You know, in terms of

it.

Escape from LA too after that.

They did a screen.

You're fucking right.

In terms terms of misinformation.

He's such a fool.

Misinformation that you get on the internet, I feel like this is like the least harmful.

So it is okay.

Yeah.

The internet is misinforming you by creating a beef between two artists who work together a lot is totally fine.

Well,

in my brain, I went, why didn't he have it?

No, of course you did, because that's what it was, that's how it misinformed you.

That's what it did.

I know.

And I'm embarrassed that it worked on me.

As long as you didn't DM anyone with something mean based on false information, you're doing great.

Emily, should I get my COVID booster?

What if you heard of how it got?

Listen, you've built up enough immunity by getting sick exactly two times.

If you get sick two times and you can't get sick again, everybody knows that.

Everyone knows that.

You said

various oritated.

Okay.

Every morning I drink RFK's cum.

I take a little shot of his cum and a little bit of warm water with lemon juice.

That's my raw.

Because a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.

I'm high, by the way.

Kurt, what's the video?

Help me.

So, okay, so John Carpenter and Kurt Russell, two boon companions who work together constantly and are friends.

Yes.

John Carpenter, also a big weed guy, big weed guy, big video game guy.

We love him.

Hell yeah.

He loves, he's very hilariously cranky.

And in interviews, talks about just wanting to stop the interview so he can smoke weed and go.

What?

Why don't I know this?

Oh, he's great.

He's like one of the great cranky interviews.

He's a legend.

But I didn't know he was a stoner.

Like, truly, I didn't know.

But I saw that he had a band, which we talk about vanity projects.

But you know what?

This ain't no vanity project.

Okay, let's hear it.

I didn't know this.

I mean, I knew he made music and he made the music for House.

Well, he did this.

It's supposed to be on the soundtrack for Big Trouble, Little China.

Okay.

So that's what this song.

All right.

Here it is.

You can feel the wind is rising, baby.

Nice.

We better run.

You better run.

Mystic Night, what the fuck?

Whoa.

Take us away.

Woo!

Take us away.

Badass, this song.

Yeah, this is really good.

I feel like I...

This makes me feel like I want to win an arm wrestling competition to win back my same son.

Can I tell you that is still my

over-the-top core?

Oh, yes, yes.

No, can I tell you that that is still my favorite episode we've ever done?

It's a great

thing.

Over the top.

It's like nobody fucked up from start to finish.

You know what my favorite episode is?

This one.

And it just is a really good one.

This is a really good episode.

And it just started.

Well, hey, Reefer Madness, we're going to talk about it.

But before we do, we should mention this movie contains sexual assault and suicide.

So, if that's not something you want to hear about, we're going to play some music and give you a chance to find another episode.

We're back.

We're going to talk about Reefer Madness.

Hell yeah, dog.

And I have to to say, not the musical.

Not

the innocent stuff.

The OG.

This is the OG, the 1936 cautionary tale, originally funded by a church to warn parents.

Surprise

about the evil.

Damn.

That's pretty good.

So it was funded by a church to warn parents about the evils of marijuana, but then was bought by a company that did exploitation movies.

And so they put in all these salacious scenes so they could show it at drive-ins.

I like it.

So kind of what we're getting is something that was started as a cautionary tale and

was supposed to just be this, like,

show us the Snyder cut.

Like, where's the

thank you?

Where's the Jesus cut?

Get rid of all the exploited stuff.

Like, I want to see what the church made.

I want to see the Snyder cut.

Absolutely, just remember the beginning of this movie where the guy's just talking at the screen.

Oh, that's my honk watch.

I'm going to go ahead and say it.

Sorry, we'll talk about it later.

From a principal, No, it really did it for me.

He's.

Okay, we'll talk about it later.

We're going to talk about.

What is this thing called?

Reefer Madness.

We're going to talk about Reefer Madness.

Before we do,

I just want to get us all in the mood by just playing a little bit of something that I think will make us feel ready to talk about it.

It had better be sting.

Oh, it's much better.

Oh, my God.

Big up, the whole island massive.

It's my boy Chatterna.

Come and straight up.

Is this Tom Hanks, son?

Yes, it is.

I knew it.

I knew it.

Jesus Christ.

I am now fully ready

to talk about Reaper Madness.

Now that Chet Hanks has welcomed us into Danksburg.

He's truly a menace.

Yes.

Is he still out there?

Is Chet Hanks still out there?

No, he's out there.

He's coming out.

He's in these streets.

Yes.

He's in these streets.

I think he's doing reality competition shows and stuff.

Makes sense.

He was born for it.

Perfect.

Oh, totally.

The wand finds the wizard in that sense.

Ooh, I like that line.

I've never heard that line.

Is that a normal thing?

Did you make that up?

I did not make it up.

I think it's just like a cliche people.

You could have taken full ownership of it.

Yeah, but I did.

I wrote The Wand finds the wizard.

I knew it.

I knew it.

He's a genius.

He is a genius.

So, Reefer Madness.

Apparently, three screenwriters.

It took three screenwriters screenwriters to make possibly the most incoherent movie ever made.

Oh, yeah.

So that's good.

Have any of them smoked marijuana?

Were any of them on marijuana while they were writing hard for me?

For sure they were, but not in the way.

But no, I think they were all high, so they couldn't really portray what it was.

Right.

They were so high.

Yeah, they had trouble writing it.

It starts with a crawl where

we learn the effects of marijuana.

Space expands.

Time slows down.

Almost stands still.

Conjuring up monstrous extravagances.

Just all this shit that's like, this is about LST.

This is absolutely not anything marijuana does.

The crawl is really crazy, and it is in a ton of fonts.

Pick a fucking font, crawl.

It looks like your aunt's minion memes.

It looks like your aunt's Facebook minion memes.

In this house, we believe coffee comes first, and we pray every day.

And weed makes you violent.

Yes.

And weed conjures up monstrous extravagances.

What the fuck?

I saw that one.

That was funny.

I liked monstrous extravagances.

So

it starts out, as Emily mentioned, with a hunky principal giving a lecture at a school.

Wait, that's who he is?

A principal?

He's a principal.

Yeah.

I think.

Also, who is anyone in this movie?

I thought he was God, to be honest.

I thought he was a preacher.

But hey, you know what?

Who cares?

So he

fuck him either way.

So keep in mind that this movie has a framing device because it will make everything all the more nonsensical.

So keep in mind what we're, the movie we see is a story this guy is telling to a crowd.

Anyway,

so,

oh, you know, and I also think in addition to being Emily's hunkiest guy of the movie, I think he's the tallest person in the movie.

For sure.

Oh, shit.

You're saying

he's the

tallest guy.

Yeah.

Okay, so before he tells the tragic story about how weed like tears lives apart, he explains how to grow it and sell it.

Good for him.

I know.

He's an educator.

It's like, okay, don't do weed, but here's how to distribute it.

Here's how to grow it.

Here's the conditions it grows in.

Here's how to hide it from the cops.

You can do it pretty much anywhere.

It's just kind of,

it felt like a...

like a powerful white man going, don't grow it, but hey, white people, let me tell you how to grow it.

Yeah, he is.

if you want to.

If you want to,

it's fine.

He tells a story about how someone, the like feds, found a bunch of heroin hidden in a barrel of olive oil.

It's what we call an Italian speed ball.

What?

That's a joke.

I'm sorry.

That's a joke.

A little Parmesan cheese on top of that.

That's a spicy meat the ball.

Hey, I'm going to make a great jazz album.

Will it qualify for she-freak?

Because I doubt it.

Yes.

It's the best jazz I've ever heard.

Oh, yeah, that was great.

Wonderful jazz.

Wonderful jazz in that movie.

It's pretty good jazz in this movie, too.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah.

So

then we go into the story of the movie.

It is about May Coleman and Jack.

They are two unmarried people who live together in an apartment and lure teens in and give them parties for free.

How do we not know that the two of them are not teens whose parents like

gave up, I don't know, parental rights?

It's hard to tell who is a teen

because everyone in this movie is the oldest teen.

Everyone looks the same age.

Literally everyone in this movie is the same.

Yes.

So we get this, we get this kind of salacious shot of May putting on her stockings.

She's like putting on stockings, hitching them up.

In 1936, this was porn.

This was

people probably jacked off to that.

I know I did.

Oh, 100%.

So I'm guessing this is kind of the stuff that the movie company added after they bought the one from the church.

So they're like, ah, put some dames in here putting on that stocking.

Do you want to know something?

I can't believe we haven't talked about this.

Yes.

But what is the first

movie romance or sex scene that was like, oh,

I know what I'm into?

Like that kind of thing.

Oh, do you have one off the dome?

I'll need a minute to think about it.

Well, it's David Bowie and Labro.

Oh, sure, sure.

Sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think.

I mean, it's that one.

There's a, like, I don't know.

Princess Bride, when they, like, roll down the hill,

and then he, like, like, gets on top of her to be like, are you okay?

You just fell down a hill, bitch.

Also, you push me down the hill.

Crazy.

Insane.

Anyway, he like

asks her if she's okay.

And I'm like, oh, that's all

that's all I want.

Is there someone to go, are you okay?

I'd be like, no.

I fell down a hill.

I'm not okay, guys.

Emily falls down a lot of hills.

Like, metaphorically, you know what I mean.

But it's actual.

So a couple of actions.

Like, okay, wait.

If someone walked in front of you and said, are you you okay?

Would you not fucking lose your shit?

I mean, it depends on.

Have I fallen down a hill?

What's the situation?

You know, a lot.

A lot of.

I think someone asking me if I'm okay isn't necessarily sexual to me, but it takes all kinds.

I do like that.

This was probably someone's.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt, we know you have a family.

Anyway,

that's right.

That's right.

I have a family.

There is no sexual feelings anymore.

So we go after we see this little, after we see this,

little scene from the bad guy characters

We go to a malt shop where the teens are listening to jazz.

They're listening to jazz in a malt shop.

They're doing a little dance.

The jazz pianist is Hot Fingers Pirelli.

Hot Fingers Pirelli.

Does he say that?

Yeah, they say that's his name.

No.

And we know he's he plays jazz, so we know

he's on the reefer, but we see the shot of him go into a closet and smoke weed.

And just everyone's weed smoking face in this is insane.

It's so, it's like this movie was made for someone to watch on acid having a bad drink.

Yeah.

Like the way in which people smoke weed and do this like demented laugh.

Like the face, it looks like a painful laugh.

Listen, this is what I thought it was.

Like I never smoked weed.

I thought that it made you like this.

I truly believed that marijuana did this to you.

Oh, yeah.

Absolutely.

And then when I was in college and someone passed it to me, I was like, absolutely not.

How fucking dare you?

Like, it is amazing how, like, this wasn't made in the middle.

That I ever started smoking at all is wild.

Like, wild.

And the media we saw as kids in the 90s, people still acted like this when they smoked pot.

Like, if it was supposed to be a cautionary thing, it was people like hallucinating and going crazy.

Like, when you smoke pot, you, you know, you sleep and you like listening to music.

Yeah,

bass sounds a little bit better.

Well, okay, so GoldenEye is a little more fun.

Yeah.

But the thing is, if you're never around people who are high, you don't know what they're like, so you just assume this is normal.

And I was terrified about it.

Yeah.

And then freshman year, I joined a sorority and got high with.

my sorority sisters and it was a fucking blast.

Yes.

Yeah, there you go.

We had a great time.

I wish I reacted to weed the way that propaganda talks about weed.

Like, just because it would be more fun.

Right.

For the most part, if they could do a whole movie of propaganda, why you shouldn't smoke weed.

And if it was just, oh, well, you'll sit at a party and you won't know when to do a joke and you'll just sit thinking of when the joke should happen and then go, oh, did I miss my moment?

I probably missed it.

Oh,

it would have been really good too.

Oh, no, I'm missing the conversation.

It's going on without me.

That

alone would have stopped me from smoking weed ever.

Do my pants make it look like I have a boner?

That's what's being on that.

Yes.

So yeah, so the gangsters are like taking these neighborhood teens and they're bringing them over to May's apartment and they're having like these pot parties for them.

They're all 40 years old.

They're all 40 years.

Everyone is 40.

Everyone is 40 years old.

It seems to be giving weed for free to kids.

To other 40-year-olds.

For no reason other than to corrupt them, I think.

Yeah.

I guess the movie didn't know what it's doing.

I guess maybe like it's implied that they're like paying to get in or that they get paid later for it.

Anyway.

And so, you know, like people are, you know,

people are making out in there.

So it's kind of implied that like sex stuff is going on.

Jack, one of the kids, gives one of the mob guys a ride to see his boss.

I don't know why the guy doesn't have a car.

And then he's.

He's a teen.

Oh, no, but the teen is the one driving.

I I don't know why the adult character doesn't have a car.

Because they're not charging for the weed.

They're bad businessmen.

Sure.

They just want to have a good time in an apartment with some teenagers.

And they,

so

after they get out of the kind of meeting with the head mob guy,

the guy says,

the teen driving who is smoking weed while he's driving says, I'm red hot.

And he runs over this old man in the street.

And like 40 people immediately run over to check check on the old man.

Yeah.

Just fucking good Samaritans everywhere in this good old American town.

Back when there were pedestrians, you know.

The guy looks like he gets up, but later they say he died.

I'm like, did they lie about him dying?

Who fucking cares?

Listen.

The

justification

and signals of when someone has died are blurred in this movie.

I know.

I don't know.

This is a Marvel franchise at this point.

So we.

Did a bitch die?

I don't know.

Will they come back using the Infinity Stones?

Yeah, also, there's parallel universes.

Sure.

I swear to God.

Life model decoys.

If I fucking watch anything about a parallel universe again,

I'm going to keep living my life and it'll be fine.

But I'll be mad about it.

So we get our principal guy starts talking to the FBI, and the FBI guy tells him all these stories about kids who have done stuff on weed.

He says a kid killed his family with an axe.

By the way, when

weed make you do that?

You know how weed makes you do that?

Makes you want to do stuff.

You're so paranoid about missing your shot for telling a joke that you kill your dad with an axe.

Axes are expensive.

Axes are expensive.

They're heavy.

Messy.

And he mentions a woman who was found in the company of five young men.

So it sounds like they were just a polycule.

Sounds like they were just a polycule.

They were ahead of their time.

Is that like, is there a different like mathematical,

like polycule?

Is there like a hexagon?

Like, how

hexa, like, what happens?

A lot.

I think so.

Polycule can be, you know, anywhere from, I would say, you know, three to.

But then there's a quad, which,

Jordan, I finished Riverdale.

Oh, yeah.

Oh.

Sorry, Matt.

I just need to have

one moment.

We like Riverdale, but I hadn't finished it in forever.

Polycool, really?

Oh.

Anyone?

No, no notes from me.

Listen, there's a lot of feelings about the finale of Riverdale.

I think the

finale perfect.

Loved it, loved it.

But I was like...

That's great.

It's what we all want to happen.

They just did it.

I heard it.

And then they went on and lived their lives.

And then they went on and lived their lives.

You're right.

You're living.

Having not seen it, I'm going to assume that Betty and Veronica and Archie and Jughead start a polycule.

Yeah.

Can I guess it?

That's the whole fucking finale for me.

Yeah.

But

honestly, Jordan, you're right.

It's an amazing finale in television, in my opinion.

And one day, all three of us will talk about it because, Matt.

I'll watch it.

Oh, I don't know if you can make it.

There's moments where it's like, I can't do this anymore.

Those seasons are too long, but you know what?

No, it's not that, but you can do it.

You can do it.

It's interesting to hear when people tap out of Riverdale.

I know.

I know.

I like tried to get my sister into it.

She's like, eh, we tapped out when Archie started

boxing in prison.

I'm like,

what?

Wow.

Okay, wait a minute.

That is so early.

I know.

That's early?

That's before they get superpowers.

Okay, guys.

I want to say that.

Anyway, I used to read the comics, and all I knew about the comments.

Oh, no, don't even worry about the comics, baby.

Does he eat hamburgers in this?

Barely.

That was his whole character.

I think he does not eat enough hamburgers in the.

He sits next to them sometimes.

Oh, and also at one point, Jukhead becomes a god who is writing down what all the other characters do.

I really got to see this show.

Great show.

This show is great.

Fucking Twin Peaks.

Yeah.

For real.

Anyway,

Reef or Madness.

So Reef refer madness.

Okay, so just I just want to point out a weirdo logic thing with this, with this movie that has no logic.

So we have the principal talking to the FBI guy who's telling him all these stories.

Keep in mind, the movie is the principal telling parents this.

So is he saying, and I talked to the FBI guy and he told me, like, is he telling a story about himself talking to someone?

Anyway, it's just this logic thing that they never answer.

They don't have to.

Everyone's high watching it.

Anyway,

so back at the pot apartment, one of the near-dewells tries to rape Mary.

They get in a fight.

They pull a gun.

Mary gets shot and they pin it on one of the kids.

They pin it on one of the kids.

There's like 50 people in the room who are trying to solve this issue.

Yeah.

And it just goes so wrong.

It is all the other dumbasses' fault that they're doing.

Right, he allows himself to get framed for it because he's too high to remember whether or not he shot his girlfriend

that's uh sid vision honestly type of situation wait wait wait the original sid nancy that might be the biggest message is it doesn't if you're high you can't represent yourself right adequately if something does go wrong if you're high you will be convicted of a crime you didn't commit which because you can't advocate for yourself it seems like not an indictment of weed more an indictment of uh people who deal drugs and who murder people well just like stay in control, bitch.

Like, it's kind of that, but boof.

You got to find your strain.

So, it's this turns into like the trial of the century.

The whole town is watching this trial.

Interesting when we see some newspapers about the trial, and underneath there's some stories about shit Dick Tracy did.

Shared universe.

Yeah, you can see in some of the newspaper headlines: like, Dick Tracy arrests.

So, I'm like, I wonder if that's a good thing.

I missed that.

That's it.

So, this is the original.

This is the original shared shared cinematic movie.

Dick Tracy exists in the world of Reefer Madness.

Oh, my God.

What if Dick Tracy gets high?

That's the movie.

That's the movie.

That's so sick.

Okay, so the trial of the century is about to come to a close, and we're going to talk about it right after this.

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We're talking about reefer madness.

Maybe we should just do a little check-in real quick.

I guess we don't know.

What's everybody's weed consumption like?

Emily?

Before you're recording, right?

I decided to get...

stoned

before this episode.

And I kind of wanted to do the thing where it's like I do it on the air, and then I was like, that's fucking lame.

And so I did it, and then maybe I did a little too much is how I'm feeling.

Did you

rip a vape?

Did you have a gummy?

I buy these pre-roll joints

because I don't smoke very often.

And when I do, I just want one hit.

Because if you give me more than one,

I can't even imagine.

I can't.

I'm paralyzed with fear.

I'm paralyzed with fear and anxiety.

And I'm like, how, when is death?

When is now?

Matt Lee, a sober man.

Did you ever enjoy the weed back?

I used to smoke a lot of weed.

I've never liked it.

It is, I never really had fun smoking weed unless I was alone.

And yeah, it just was never my favorite thing.

It just kind of made me,

if I was alone, I could watch a million cartoons, eat cereal, and be happy.

If literally one other person was with me, I would be like, Do I need to tend to you?

I feel strange not talking to you.

There was something about being next to someone and just being like baked that I didn't like because I was like, Should we be interacting?

So, yeah, I get in my head, I get very in my head on weed.

I never really enjoyed it, and uh, you know, but you know, it's great heroin, what try it, just kidding, just kidding, folks.

Stay safe out there.

Listen, if you have a little bit of olive oil, a little bit of E-D-O-O,

a little

Himalayan sea salt.

What about you, Jordan?

Yeah.

Yeah,

I was very late to weed.

How late?

What do you mean?

I maybe tried it once in high school and maybe smoked it twice at college.

Really?

At Santa Santa Cruz?

You were earlier than me, Jordan.

Yeah, maybe.

A bad boy.

That's true.

A bad boy.

That's crazy, though, at UC Santa Cruz.

And I think even at UC Santa Cruz, I still, you know, because of the weird messaging we got around it as kids, was afraid.

I was like, afraid, like, what's going to happen?

Is it a gateway drug?

Do I immediately go on to heroin?

So I think I was really scared.

Yeah.

I was a very fearful child, and I'm a pretty fearful adult, too.

Yeah, I definitely like didn't try stuff.

But wait, how did you, what was, how did you get weed the very first time?

How did you procure it?

I don't really remember.

I think it was just like at Micah Spino's house.

Shout out to Micah Spino.

That is a name of a

raggedy ass drug dealer.

Baddest friend, Frosted Tips on this kid.

I love it.

Yeah, Micah Spino.

Maybe

I think he's doing great these days, but he's probably.

It's just weed.

Everyone's just weed.

And it's fine, and

he's probably not in jail.

Also,

I had my first drink at one of his house parties.

It was a big

container of tang.

You remember tang?

Absolutely.

It was just that mixed with, they poured vodka in the tang and swirled at me all.

I mean,

I love it, honestly.

Amazing drink.

So, yeah, and then like as an adult, I started to enjoy it once you could get the fakey fake medical license, which I loved.

I wish we still had to go to that fucking fake-ass strip mall doctor.

Really?

Tend to have headaches and get the little license.

I never had to do that.

I moved here and I had a roommate who was doing it.

So I just gave her money and then she got the shit I wanted.

Yeah, sure.

But I didn't have a California ID, so I technically couldn't go in there.

But I really would have loved to experience

where you lie to a doctor about why you need weed.

So what did you say to these doctors?

I mean, you, I mean, you could just go headache.

You could just yell headache at this guy in a strip mall who has a fake eye chart behind him.

It's like, oh, doctor chart.

Yeah.

Fake eye chart.

That shit was crazy.

What a stupid regulation.

It was insane.

The funniest workaround ever before.

Watch a funny workaround ever.

Everyone in Sacramento was just like, what are we doing?

And let's just make it legal.

Just have stores and malls.

What are we doing?

Just put stores and malls.

I don't know, but some people were like glaucoma.

And I'm like, I got to Google the thing I'm going to fake that I have.

You could just say whatever you wanted and they would give you weed.

I know.

I didn't realize that.

Now I know.

Emily, you were telling us you did kind of a reefer madness type report in college.

Okay.

Well,

so I know that I talk shit about the college I went to in Batesville, Arkansas, Lion College.

It actually was an amazing school and I had really brilliant teachers.

So my senior year, I had a biology teacher, Dr.

Han Ong, who I actually, I babysat his kids in his office.

Don't know why he thought I was going to be good at that, but he told us to get rid of our textbooks and then asked us what we were interested in and then created textbooks out of printing them all out based on what we were interested in.

That's cool.

I know.

He was amazing.

He worked on an episode of Mythical, him and his wife, who's a microbiologist.

Anyway, they're amazing.

So he goes, you can do your senior presentation on anything related to biology.

And I chose to go, can you smoke weed when you're pregnant?

So

that's a great question.

No, you can't do it.

Yeah, I guess if you can't have sushi.

Yeah, I don't need to tell you everything in these slides, but I did choose to find photos of babies dressed as Willie Nelson.

and there's like

so I found ones and I was like listen this could be your baby if you smoke one baby could be hilarious no no I just wrote facts on the side and then I put a picture of baby Willie Nelson next to it to try to keep people interested so I know I've got one there's another one of Willie Nelson holding a baby love it and then

And then I don't know what else the fuck I what I haven't watched looked at all this but I think that maybe oh there's a pregnant lady who's naked holding a cigarette I this is the most insane I got to go through it but maybe I will post it but the pictures of babies dressed as Willie Nelson in the year 2008 on Google tons of them yeah just tons

of OG memes like 2008 people were already posting tons of pictures of their kids dressed as Willie Nelson just saying it maybe get an A.

Nice.

It's babies.

So that's, listen,

a little personal aside, we do it because

not a lot happens in this movie.

It's confusing.

Almost less than an hour.

Yeah, I know.

This podcast will probably end up being longer than the movie.

Longer than the movie.

Yeah.

100 an hour and impossible to tell what's going on.

So, yeah, so kind of, but what's happening is that the mobsters, they're all, this trials going on and they're all going crazy.

They need reefers.

Get me reefers, they say.

That's pretty fucking fantastic.

I remember that part.

But they're all going crazy.

They're getting guilty.

They start turning on each other.

There's a gangster that kind of looks like Jude Law, and he starts beating up Jack, the main gangster.

Oh, who's wearing one of those just classic gangster fedoras?

I think that's the worst hat.

The worst hat.

Thank you, because the professor at the beginning, if you insult his hat, I will come for you.

No, I didn't notice his hat.

That's what he was crazy though.

He's my hunk watch.

Don't

so

they get into a fight.

The Jude Law guy starts beating Jack with, I wrote something, question mark, a Swiffer?

I don't know what this is.

Find something.

Were Swiffers invented in the 30s?

I think that's the weapon he's using.

Yep.

No, he's beating me with the quicker, thicker, picker-upper, downy.

I just like all the product placement is just different things weed heads beat people to death with.

He fabrised my eyes.

Do you think that Gen Z knows quilted quicker bicker-upper?

Do you think they know that?

There's no.

I was hoping so, but you're probably right.

They probably don't.

One day we'll die, and no one will say our names again.

One day we'll die, and no one will know our jingles.

No, they will.

This lives in infamy.

That's right.

Spotify is forever.

That's right.

Day that we'll live in infamy.

Is that

when we dropped the atomic bomb?

I'm down to live in infamy, Fermi.

Any of the Fami,

anything in the Fermi family.

So, anyway,

the cops come while they're fighting, while they're hitting each other with cleaning equipment.

This is just a funny, weird little thing.

So, the cops lead them out of the door, but one of the cops stays in the apartment and closes the door.

She's going to squat in their apartment.

He's like, Well, I live here now.

I live here now.

Eminent domain.

They had weed, so I'm moving my family in.

Do you ever wonder if cops have like a cleaning service?

Like, if there's a dead body in your home, do they get rid of the body and then clean it?

There's definitely dead people cleaning services.

Well, I know.

There's a movie with Amy Adams.

That's how I know.

That's how I do it.

Sunshine cleaning.

I only know it from that movie.

Dude, that movie rules.

Anyway,

I'm like, but...

It's not like you should have to pay for it.

I feel like taxes should pay for somebody going, there's dead shit on your ground.

Let me help.

Like, I don't know.

I agree.

We should talk to the mayor.

I'll do it.

I don't give a fuck.

I'll talk to the mayor right now.

Let me touch him.

Get him on the phone.

Hey, Mayor.

I'm on house.

Clean my house.

Give me those dead chunks.

Yeah.

Wipe down my counters.

So, okay,

so one of the women

from the weed house, she gets guilty.

She squeals on Jack.

I notice here she kind of looks like Christina Ricci's character from Yellow Jackets.

That was kind of fun.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah, a little bit like that.

A little bit like Misty.

Oh, are you guys, Jordan?

Are you watching Yellow Jackets?

Oh, I love Yellow Jackets.

Yeah,

me fucking Jackson.

I'm not caught up.

I mean, I know what happens, but I haven't watched it yet.

I watched YouTube videos that told me what happened.

Okay.

Yeah, I like that show a lot.

You know, it's really consistent, but when it hits, it hits.

It's like Riverdale for fucking middle-aged perimenopausal women.

It's like the best anyway.

Oh, yeah.

And hey, great Christina Ricci performance.

All your 90s faves, doing a great job.

Anyway, this woman who looks kind of like Christina Ricci from Yellow Jackets, she's so guilty.

She jumps to her death.

What the?

Who's the old bitch who's like holding her hand?

Her mom, I assume.

I thought it was like a nun taking her to women's prison.

I know.

She's wearing some sort of like religious outfit, I guess.

I thought it was her mom.

Jordan, no, Jordan, I thought the same thing.

And I immediately thought, like, shame.

Like, you know,

yeah, sure.

Right.

The Game of Thrones.

Yeah, she has to march through the streets.

Right.

I figured she was arrested by Tiny Mother Teresa is what was happening.

Yeah, and maybe nuns ran women's prisons back then.

Maybe they should do now.

Her jumping out the window was like, what?

Like,

also, kind of stupid of them to have just a really thin pane of glass as a window.

Well, Matt Lieb, there is a movie called Hudsucker Proxy that

is oftentimes free with ads.

And I really want to do it.

I just please let us do it one day.

That's all I'm saying.

Oh, yeah.

What did that have to do with the window?

Oh, there is a lot of jumping out the window.

Okay, okay, okay.

A lot of great women.

A lot of great window windows.

It's a running gag, and it's really

great, Jennifer Jason Lee performance.

Hudsucker Proxy.

Great movie.

It is the Jennifer Jason Lee performance.

So anyway, we go back to the principal and this framing device, which also we have scenes of the jury deliberating.

How did the principal know that?

The principal's telling this story.

He wasn't in the jury room.

How is he saying what the jury?

Anyway, that thing doesn't make sense.

Also, can I talk about the way we had to go?

And now we're out of the courtroom, and then someone kills themselves back in the courtroom.

And then we get out because someone drives.

You can't drive back in the courtroom.

It was just like, can you judge?

Nonsensical, totally nonsensical.

Three screenwriters.

Three.

Three screenwriters collaborated on this.

It's three different movies, honestly, so it makes sense.

And so then we kind of go back to the principal,

talking to the school people.

And he says, this could happen to any kid.

Yours or yours or yours.

Terrifying.

Right at the camera.

Talk to your children.

Tell the children comes up.

Tell the children.

That's old-timey for talk to your children.

They were like, talk at your children.

Yeah, talk at your children.

I have a clip of that scene.

Oh, please, yeah.

Oh, please.

Good.

I have fun.

Why isn't Godzilla in there?

Because I can't add too much.

He wasn't invented yet.

Yeah, there's no Godzilla in 1936.

I know.

I know we can't.

We have to say that.

I should have added Hitler.

Fuck off.

No, I know we can't add the Godzilla for everything we do, but I just want you to know deep down,

I want to

do it

every single episode, but I know it's annoying to other people.

Oh, I don't think it is.

I just think for me, sparingly.

I Godzilla sparingly.

Make them more

Godzilla.

You're right.

I'm just letting you know I'm edging for this fucking Godzilla shit.

All right?

There's our gun.

Hey, well, that's what happens in Reefer Madness, I guess.

And now, let's do the hunk watch.

It's hunk watch.

Emily, you've been talking about the principal.

Any other words you would like to say about your hunk of the movie?

I just remember taking screenshots of him when I started the movie, and then I got got stoned, so I don't remember much else about the movie.

All I remember is I wanted this person to judge me.

And I wanted him to tell me all of my problems and to tell me there is no way to improve them.

That's hot.

Right?

It should be yours or yours.

Or yours.

But actually, it's all hers, baby.

So, yeah, I don't know.

Nat, Nat, you have a hunk?

I do.

My hunk is, of course,

Hot Fingers Pirelli.

There you go.

I like Hot Fingers because Jordan.

As soon as I saw him,

he's playing the piano.

Everything is,

you know, this like...

early, you know, it's like the early 20th century jazz, you know, sort of the Gershwin jazz era.

Yeah.

And so I'm like wondering if he is supposed to be like the, I don't know, the corrupting factor.

Because he shows up in a couple of scenes playing the piano all high and stuff.

And I was just like, who is this genius?

And

well, then that one female character.

is playing and he's like faster

piano really well in this movie it's kind of crazy because but don't you remember what i talked to you about about how it was a traditional thing that someone in your family had to learn piano yeah but it's so it's just very funny to me that you're trying to sell people on the idea that, like, oh, this weed makes you, you know, all these bad things.

It's like, it makes you really good at playing old-timey jazz.

Seems like a pretty sick drug.

Think about that.

Yeah.

Every scene, every scene where the teens are just like dancing to jazz piano, I just imagine them saying, I hope rock and roll never gets invented.

I hope they never invent it.

Yes.

What about you, Jordan?

What's your question?

Jude Law gangster.

Jude Law gangster.

Handsome guy.

Look a little bit like Jude Law.

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We're going to talk about what we thought of Reefer Madness.

Yeah,

I can start us off.

I had always wanted to see this movie.

I had always heard about it.

I am someone who kind of likes bad movies.

I was a mystery science theater kid, so like I like kind of tracking down the worst movies of all time.

People say this is one of the worst movies of all time.

They are totally fucking right.

It's insane.

And yeah, I've just kind of always wanted to watch it.

I think watching it by yourself isn't that much fun because it's just like it doesn't make a ton of sense.

It's not fun at all.

You know, I will maybe disagree.

I really had a good time watching this.

I laughed a lot.

And I think if you're watching this in a group, you can totally have fun dicking on it.

So I think for like bad movie history and bad movie,

to give it some bad movie points, I think it does get a lot of them.

I think for me, it's a seven because I really had fun with it.

But it is an incompetent, insane,

you know, racist movie.

She likes

reprehensible.

But like, you know, as far as like a fun, weird piece of cinema history, I liked watching it.

And I like that that you can just kind of boot it up wherever because it's public domain.

So, yeah, seven for me, but I understand being like, what the fuck is this?

Right, right.

Matt, you want to go?

Sure.

I'm going to give this a

three.

And the reason I'm giving it a three is because

I totally fair.

Very fair.

I think

it's a bad movie, and it's not.

super fun.

I think it only works in a group.

I didn't find myself laughing out loud while watching it,

except for on the occasion

which I got to see everyone playing piano really well.

I thought that was very fun.

That is pretty cool, yeah.

But yeah, it was, yeah, I think it was a pretty bad movie.

I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who is not interested in watching a piece of cinema history and a piece of U.S.

government propaganda history.

So

yeah, if you're interested in it as like an original, you know, document,

you know, then yeah, you'll probably like it.

Other than that, uh, it blows goats,

Emily.

What do you got?

Take us home.

Um, I had watched this at one point, I think

years ago, and this time watching it, the disturbing part was that women were entirely the problem.

Like, they,

it's like the Eve story of giving the apple and then ruining someone's life.

And uh, I don't remember that from the last time I watched watched it but it was just kind of like a bummer and that bummed me out and also

it's like you know background movies we talk about this base level if you're a free with ads movie for me in order for me to like you over a three

you have to be good background cinema and this is a bummer like i keep watching stuff and i'm like

like and also

i hate like every noise but voices is so loud chairs scooting across the floor in the courtroom

it's like Jesus Christ like it's a lot of that so I'm gonna give it a three honestly uh weird that no one gave it a 420.

Interesting.

Opportunity all over with it.

Good point, Jordan.

Thank you.

Well, yeah, that is Reefer Madness.

Let's do a little plug-in.

I can start us off.

Hey, we talked about Godzilla a little bit earlier.

I contributed to a Godzilla comic coming out on, not 4.20, but 4.30.

That's right.

Godzilla versus LA should be in comic shops on 4.30.

I'm going to be doing some signings and book events around California to promote that.

On 4.30, I will be at Collector's Paradise in North Hollywood with Nicole Goh and Gabriel Hardman, 5 to 7 p.m.

Hey, on May 2nd, I will be at Litfest in the Dina, the Altadena Literary Festival.

That's going to be at the Pasadena Presbyterian Church.

It's usually in Altadena.

Can't be there this year because, well, you know, but I will be there from 6:30 to 7:30 with Yehudi Mercado, Sarah Phoebe Miller, and Elliot Kalin.

That's Litfest in the Dina.

And hey, yeah, Elliot Kalen from the Flop House.

So a little max fun hang.

You're going to be at City Walk?

I am on 5-3.

Is it that comic shop where you did it before that I came to?

Yeah.

Oh, that place is cool.

It rips.

Yeah, I'm going to be at Things from Another World on 5.3 from 2 to 4 p.m., also with Nicole Goo and Gabriel Hardman.

And that's important for a lot of reasons.

One, it's free comic book day, so you're going to get some free stuff.

Two, it's my birthday.

Oh my god.

So if there's a shitty turnout for this thing, I'm going to feel super fucking bad.

Oh, well, I'll be there.

Are you fucking kidding?

I hope to see everybody at Things from Another World.

Jesus Christ.

This is like, it's there's a margaritaville, there's a hot topic.

There's like, there's no reason not to be in this like area.

Like, have the time of your life.

2 to 4 p.m.

And on May 10th, 5:10, I'm going to be at Mission Comics in San Francisco with Breonna Lowenson.

We're going to be signing books there.

Please come out to those events.

Emily, you got anything?

Please consider joining mythicalsociety.com.

It is the exclusive members-only channel for mythical entertainment.

I have my own show, and I mean, I've been waiting for this, y'all.

I've been with the, do you know how long I've been with Mythical?

Do you know?

At least two years.

No, it's been since 2018.

And I've been two years and two months.

I've been, yeah, I'm a baby.

I've been, you guys, I've been working to this moment, hoping for this.

And I would really appreciate it if you watched.

Yes, you got to get a membership.

So go to mythicalsociety.com.

Please, please, please, and watch Emily.

Have you seen this?

Matt, got anything.

And you can find me and my wife at Cobbs Comedy Club May 7th.

Please come.

It's going to be really fun.

I would love it if you and all of your friends came too.

So invite people, buy them tickets without their knowledge, and then walk them to Cubs Comedy Club.

Say, surprise, we're going to see this guy who produces a podcast with stings.

It's not going to be that, I promise.

So yeah, please come out.

And of course, all of the links to all of these events we're plugging will be in the description.

There you go.

There's some stuff to check out.

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