Who Framed Roger Rabbit

This is Free With Ads, the podcast that asks the question: why pay Disney Plus, Turner Classic Movies, and Comic Book Artist OnlyFans pages a bunch of money a month for classic animation, film noir, and horny cartoon characters.

When you can go online for free and watch one Academy Award-winning movie that combines them all, I'm Jordan Morris, and I'm Emily Fleming.

Today's movie is Who Framed Roger Rabbit, the animation live-action hybrid classic that caused a generation of kids to wonder to themselves: Are these feelings I'm having sex feelings?

With us always is super producer Matt hitting us with those wacky loony drops.

Not to stay tuned!

Oh, that voice.

Oh, that voice.

That's definitely not a sex feeling.

Or, I don't know.

Hang on.

Maybe.

Yeah,

I think this movie both attracts and repels.

And I think that's why it is so strong, is that

it was,

you know, when I saw it as a kid, it was like the...

funniest, the sexiest, and the scariest thing I had ever seen.

Yep.

And like that just gets into your brain and it never leaves.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a core memory where you're like, I'm scared and horny.

Oh no, what do I do?

Sure.

Too much.

Too much.

Brain too young.

Why is baby smoking?

Smoking good.

Mickey here.

Why?

Why is Mickey here?

All my friends here, but they're trying to murder Eddie Valiant.

Well, yeah, we are going to talk about who framed Roger Rabbit.

But first, we're going to talk about something else we saw for free on the internet this week.

Other free stuff.

Emily, this is something you sent us

involving

journalist and Turner Classic Movies host Ben Mankowitz.

What is this and where did you see it?

Okay, so you...

submitted something for our other free stuff and it was a local library doing a trend where it's, you know, our Gen Z interns wrote this video.

Oh, right.

Yeah.

I think I,

I think they were public library employees doing the hot to go meme.

Oh, that's what it was.

And yeah, it was a kind of a delightfully stilted,

kind of wonderfully lo-fi, charming take.

Right, right.

So I've seen that a few different places or whatever.

And, you know, Turner Classic Movies.

joined this bandwagon very late on, which feels very on brand for Turner Classic Classic movies.

So

this is just the thing.

It's Gen Z slang, a la,

you know, your grandpapa's favorite channel.

Oh, yeah.

So, okay, so this, the premise of this is that Ben Mankowitz, the,

you know, the author, the authoritative know-it-all

silver-haired daddy of Turner Classic Movies.

Yeah, I'd never seen his face before this.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, sure.

I feel like I've heard his voice, but never seen his face.

Wonderful voice.

Big Mankowitz fan over here.

So the premise is that the Gen Z intern wrote his script.

So

this is what we'll play.

Hey, besties, it's your favorite Nepo baby, Ben Mankiewicz.

And tonight is for the girlies as we serve one of 1945's biggest slaves, Mildred Finn.

Queen Joan Crawford gives main character energy in this noir that quite literally slaps.

Based on a novel by James M.

Kane, the story follows a mother mothering as she's willing to to gaslight, gatekeep, and girl boss to support her brats.

The tea is with her eldest daughter, played by Anne Blythe, who gets the ick when mama enters her Rizzler era and starts vibing with her sus situationship.

Played by Jackie Scott.

Basically, high key annoyed with her boss-babed mother.

Early pop becomes not very demure or mindful, and chat, it gets messy.

While Joan Crawford ate and left no crumbs, her first starring role with Warner Brothers wouldn't have happened if her rival Betty Davis didn't diva down and let Crawford cook, which served her an Oscar win.

No cap.

This movie understood the assignment.

As critics agree, Joan Crawford hits different than this plot.

1945.

Here's Mildred Pierce.

And once again, this is never happening again.

That's too bad.

Because, damn, that was long.

It was long.

It made so much sense.

And that's the crazy thing is, like, I think the fact that I understood it means that this is Gen Z like slang from two years ago.

Right.

Yeah.

You know, right.

They got new shit now.

I don't even know what they're talking about.

That's mountain, yo.

They're just saying that's mountain.

Yeah, we don't know what it means.

Yeah, yeah.

I also think this was the best

educational video of what all of those things mean for our parents.

Yeah.

To watch that and also for me because some of those things.

I know.

I feel like I have a better understanding of a couple of those now.

Still don't get no cap.

No cap still eludes me.

I think it means like for real.

It means no lie.

It means no lie.

When someone says cap, they mean you're lying.

What is it short for?

Don't know.

Sure.

Capricious, I assume.

I'm not really sure what most of those things mean outside of the title.

The tunnel probably tracks back to, say, racist Twitch streamer.

Probably.

Probably.

But I think more so, usually it is like

it is A-A-V-E, like vernacular first.

Right.

And then

drag slang a lot.

We kind of get drag slang

a couple years later.

Yeah.

My favorite thing about this is this morning, before 9 a.m., Jordan texts

our chat and goes, Hey, do you have that whatever his name is, Mankowitz video?

Like, I'm going to know it by that guy's name.

And I was like, Who is that?

You're like, Oh, the Turner Classic movie slam.

I'm like, Oh, okay.

Yeah, I'll look at that.

Some people know who Ben Mankowitz is.

Yeah, I don't know.

Okay, so he's a Nepo baby.

Who's his dad or mom?

He's very proud of it, too.

He's kind of like cool about, he'll mention it in interviews.

He's like, By the way, I'm a Nepo baby, which is great.

I mean, I hate it.

It's awesome.

when Gwynneth Paltrow is in an interview going, My dad never helped me get an audition.

He's like, He probably did.

Yeah, fuck off.

It's, yeah, so I like that about him.

And yeah, I had a big Turner Classic movies phase, especially during the pandemic.

Oh, my God.

I watched a lot of Ben Mankowicz during the pandemic.

And yeah,

I like all people who are looking to save a buck, you know, kicked my cable, but oh boy, do I miss my Turner Classic movies.

But who is Ben Mankowicz's parent?

He was a screenwriter, a famous screenwriter.

They made a movie about about him called Mank, played by Gary Goldman.

That's him.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

I saw that movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wait, that's his dad or his granddad?

That's his dad.

Whoa.

That's amazing.

Yeah.

So it is cool that he owns the being a Nepo baby thing because he gets out in front of it in a way.

He's also

not doing what his dad did.

So it's also okay.

Sure.

You know what I mean?

He's not like

selling a bunch of shitty screenplays because his dad was a good screenwriter.

Like,

he's a commentator.

He's a host.

He's, you know, he's someone who knows and loves movies and just likes to talk about them, which I think is awesome.

Also, he's really interesting and funny.

Right.

But he's also like bringing appreciation towards the movies

of his father's era.

So

to Gen Z, clearly.

Exactly.

So it's nice that I think his dad would be proud of him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You better not start a podcast, though, about free movies.

Oh, yeah.

Well, if he does,

I'll give him the old razor

of the no cap.

Wait, wait.

If he listens to this, tell him, like, if you know him,

get him on the podcast.

I'd love to talk to him.

No caps.

I feel like that's probably possible.

I will, I, I will, I will, yeah, I know some people who know him.

Maybe, uh, maybe I'll reach out.

But you know what?

Is he married?

Does he want to create a few other Nepo babies?

Like, okay, so I'll also ask if he's single.

Probably not.

Yeah.

And if he's up for impregnating someone.

Yeah.

I got about three months left, probably.

There's one egg hanging out for dear life.

You know, so

let's get it trending.

Are hashtags a thing anymore?

I don't know.

Hashtag Mankowitz come on free with ads.

And then go on Cometown and then go on Chapo.

Absolutely.

And you know what?

If you do so, we'll play you your own sting.

And it'll go like this.

Mankowitz.

Woo!

That's for you, man.

No, it's perfect.

Three syllables.

It was meant to be.

Yep.

Hey, let's talk about one of my favorite movies of all time, Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Everybody's seen it.

Did everybody see it in theater?

I mean, you're maybe a little young to have seen it in theaters, but I see it.

I don't know where I saw it first, but we're only like two years apart.

Like,

I don't know.

What year did it come out again?

This is 88.

So, yeah, I was six or seven.

Um, I think everyone is too young to see this movie, but I was certainly too young.

Yeah, but I, I mean, but also, it's one of my favorite movies, and it like just lives in my brain and will forever.

Um, so yeah, uh, Matt Theaters?

No, I was too young to see it in a theater, but um, I, you know what, what's weird about this movie is I did not own it on VHS,

and yet in re-watching it, I was able to pretty much

verbatim

repeat lines back to it.

Yeah.

So I think I saw, must have seen this movie a thousand times on cable.

Definitely saw it way too young.

Definitely was confused by a lot of it, horrified by a lot of it.

But also I thought it was the greatest thing that anyone had ever invented in movies when I was a kid.

Doesn't it like make you feel?

So I, especially with the climate lately I've been I don't know about you guys I have a hard time You know the the world is on fire but oh yeah I've had a

hard time differentiating between my dreams while I'm sleeping and real life like memories are starting to feel like

oh that happened and

this movie to me like there's memories I have of first seeing this movie that I realize, oh, there's things I remember from this movie that I thought were like real life, weird things.

Like, there's, I don't know what, how to describe it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I don't know.

There's weird.

There's a dream world aesthetic thing in this movie where it feels like there's multiple dimensions within this world that are real.

I just feel like Toontown exists.

I guess that's what I'm saying.

100%.

It's Disneyland toward the back.

Right.

Yeah.

I wonder.

Yeah.

I remember when Toontown was made at Disneyland, and I remember thinking because I was just young enough that I thought it might be possible that I could hang out with actual cartoons.

So, yeah, I feel you on this, Emily.

Like, it did feel like other dimensional.

Jordan, when did you see this movie?

Yeah, so in theaters, I distinctly remember going to the theater to see it.

I saw it at the El Toro Movie Theaters.

Not around anymore.

They were in the same

shopping center as ComicQuest, my comic book store, which is in a different shopping center, but still around in Orange County.

Visit Comic Quest if you're in the neighborhood.

Yeah, and

I remember being so excited and walking out and feeling like the world was different.

And yeah, we had it on VHS and I watched it into the ground.

And yeah, this is like an every once-a-year watch for me.

I just love it.

Yeah, let's.

And yeah,

I like,

if you've listened to this show, you know, I just like talk a lot about cartoons.

I like was and am such a cartoon kid.

So like all these little references like worked for me.

And yeah, so it was just like,

as to reference another cartoon, the great Barney Gumbel once said, stick it in my veins.

Wow.

Yeah.

Another guy, I don't know.

Oh, yeah.

Homer's friend.

Homer's friend at the point.

Oh, yeah.

That's another thing I wasn't allowed to watch because I was so young.

No, it's because Simpsons were a popular band show for us.

I mean, it's like, it's kind of, you you know, it was kind of a crapshoot whether or not your parents were into it, but definitely a lot of,

you know, people didn't like Bart's back talk.

I also just wasn't interested in it as a little girl.

I think it was like, I liked things that were more visually kind of like intricate and more like going on.

Anti-porn, for instance.

Yeah, there's not enough tentacles.

In Simpsons.

I mean, Treehouse of Horror does tend to have some tentacle.

Yeah, Yeah, Kang and Kodo, what's a year, the Halloween episode.

There are zero fuckable people in The Simpsons.

Like, men, I mean.

Troy McClane.

Like, the women are babes, and the dudes are gross.

Like, just go stew, a poo, I mean,

the list goes on and on.

Sure, I can list fuckable Simpsons characters for the hour, and we don't even have to talk about it.

They've either got a gut or a hump on their back.

Like, it's one or the other.

That's pretty accurate.

Yeah.

Smithers?

I mean,

yeah.

So who framed Roger Rabbit?

It starts with a Roger Rabbit cartoon short.

Something's cooking.

Roger Rabbit has to look after baby Herman,

who is a baby.

And he gets the assignment from a yelling pair of legs that's kind of like, you know, supposed to be kind of a reference to Nanny from Muppet Babies.

Or there's like a maid in Tom and Jerry that's just kind of represented by legs.

And, you know, obviously Jessica Rabbit is the sex symbol of this

this movie.

I don't know.

Dolores is pretty hot, too.

Dolores is hot.

That's going to be a robust hunk watch discussion, I can tell.

But these, like, these like thick thighs in the stocking,

you know, not bad.

Baby Herman's bad.

I get it.

I get it.

100%.

Anyway, so

it's this kind of just like

very familiar but like exquisitely done cartoon where Roger has to like save baby Herman from all the like shit in the kitchen that's gonna kill him.

It looks amazing.

It's like one of those things where it it it looks like you remember Looney Tunes looking like it's not what they actually looked like But it's what they look like in your brain when you remember them.

It's so stunning like the I was talking to Jordan about this like the the floor and how like you could see reflection in it.

It's like glossy liquid has this like hyper-realism thing to it.

Yeah.

It's like there's, yeah, it's all hand-drawn.

It was done by kind of a crazy rogue animator who refused to use any CGI.

Yeah.

It's a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful segment of it.

It's so, so funny.

It reminded me of Eternal Sunshine a little bit, you know, where it's like the

he's the world is giant and then he's the child on the floor.

Like it, I feel like they took it from this opening scene of Roger Rabbit.

Could have.

Yeah, I think.

So you see this cartoon.

It's awesome.

It kind of ends with Roger getting a refrigerator

plopped on his head.

And when it opens, we see that he's seeing stars and it pulls back and we see that this is all happening on a movie set.

Our fucking grandparents talked about how great the Wizard of Oz was when it turned into color.

This is that for our generation.

When you pull back and you see it's all and like every prop, and this is going to be, I don't know if this is a fucking boring episode of just me saying how great this movie is.

Whatever.

I can't be funny about this.

I also want to spend this whole episode talking about how this might be our generation's Citizen Kane.

Yeah, sure.

Totally.

Absolutely.

Like, like, like hilarious to say, but probably true.

Yes.

I wouldn't be surprised if this inspired toy story in a way where it's like 100%.

Yeah.

The cartoons are actual living beings

that are doing their own stunts and they create the stars that come out of their head when they get hit with something.

Yeah.

And it's like, it, I mean, the idea that the toys are real and like, I don't know.

I think that there's this had a heavy influence on everything.

On a lot of things.

Quick question.

So this was 1988.

When did Cool World come out?

1990, I believe.

So that is definitely because of Roger Rabbit.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Everyone was trying this.

Yeah.

Like, what if people weren't allowed to fuck the horny, you know?

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know, I think we talked about this is that Cool World was supposed to be this other script about a you know cartoon character trying to kill his creator, but then I'm sure just someone saw this movie and went do a Roger Rabbit.

And yeah, and they just kind of had to, you know, jerry rig a low-budget Roger Rabbit that didn't make any sense.

Yeah.

And you really see how low budget.

Cool World was when you watch this movie, when you realize the time and effort it took to incorporate not just animation, but also like

they used Industrial Industrial Light and Magic's people in order to make sure that like when he was touching things, things would look like they were being touched by a cartoon.

You know, he would jump into a trash can and it would look like something jumped.

You know, it wasn't just superimposed over it.

It's incredible.

Is Bob Hoskins still alive?

No, he's not.

He died in 2014.

And yeah,

he's perfect in this.

Like the

star of this is obviously the tech, right?

Like, how did they get to look like cartoons are in the real world?

But

he and all the acting in this is so good.

And

he's terrific, and he's perfect.

And, like, they wanted Robin Williams for it.

They wanted Eddie Murphy for it.

Nope.

Nope.

He's like, they would have been funny, and he can't be funny until that last scene.

Yes.

Yes, exactly.

Right.

He's too perfect for this.

Anyone else could not have done this?

No.

And just amazing that Bob Hoskins, this like working-class, gruff British Shakespeare actor, was a kids movie star when we were kids.

I know.

This hook Mario likes

kids love this guy.

Oh my god.

Cockney drunk.

I forgot he was Smee and Hook.

Yes.

Yes.

He was also in Mermaids, which

he talked about a hunk in Mermaids.

If that, it was free with ads, but I don't know if it ever is.

But if it is again, I really, it's, that's my next, it's like Moonstruck and then Mermaids are two of the most romantic movies to me.

I just, we have to watch Mermaids eventually.

That's all I'm saying.

He was also in the wall, the Pink Floyd musical.

But, you know, this was like pre-im being a 90s kids TV star

or movie star.

The kids love this guy.

Yeah.

He was in the wall.

Yeah.

So crazy.

Yeah.

And yeah, he's so good.

So yeah, so we pull back.

We see that this is all happening on a set.

Great detail.

You see that the legs I mentioned are being...

It's a guy on stilts working the legs.

You see, like, every prop in the cartoon is just there.

It's physical.

They're mad at Roger because he was supposed to see birds and he's seeing stars.

And we hear that Baby Herman is a gruff New York guy.

He's an asshole, slapping butts, smoking cigars.

But he's still Roger's friend, though.

He's still like,

they have a sweet relationship.

They do, yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

And then we on the set is, we mentioned him, Bob Hoskins, hard-drinking, private eye, Eddie Valiant.

He's there to see RK Maroon, who owns the cartoon studio.

Roger apparently cannot perform because

he thinks his wife is having an affair.

And he sends Eddie out to take pictures of Roger's wife.

Eddie says he doesn't go into Toontown.

This is, you know, one of the first things you know we'll we'll hear about Eddie's backstory.

He does not go into Toontown

And he hates toons

We get this great gag RK Maroon Dumbo pops up in the window and he's like I got him on loan for Disney.

He works for peanuts throws Dumbo a bunch of peanuts so many good jokes in this it's great

and then he says it's also we we also got the cast of Fantasia on loan yes and as as they walk through the movie studio, you see all the characters from Fantasia doing something something in the background.

You see the broom sweeping up.

Yes.

Goes by the hippo ballerina.

Yes.

So fucking good and it's so subtle.

And the sweeping can't happen without the musician playing the song that

was playing in Fantasia when the brooms are all sweeping.

He's playing it on a saxophone.

It's like a little detail in the background.

Yeah, it's like there's a little reality there and there's a little logic to it.

And I just like, I love this movie, doesn't explain shit.

It just drops you in, and it has a logic.

And like, if you made this movie today, there would be a fucking,

you know, 20-minute backstory thing about how a portal opened.

Yes, or there was a crystal.

It's like, no, cartoons are real in this world.

Who cares?

Go.

Also, there'd be someone going, they yeeted me into the dip or something.

Yeah, I know.

There'd be a bunch of like.

There'd be a Gen Z intern who wrote all the dialogue.

It would be the worst.

Roger would be like, so what happened?

Really?

In terms of what you're saying about, like, uh, if this were done today, this, the way I felt about it was like, there's something about the way in which we do these, like, um,

like, synergistic IP tie-ins things where you know, you have the movies like, what was it, Free Man or Extra Guy, whatever the one.

Free guy, yeah, the Brian Reynolds in the video game movie.

Yeah, so it's like, you know, it's like, oh, look at all the this video game IP, you know, together.

You've, we've got like Marvel stuff and DC stuff and Sonic stuff.

And,

you know, you see that also with,

you know, kind of the Avengers in a way.

It's just like, we're going to put all of our guys together.

And it's not, you know, to denigrate those things, but there's something so

innovative and natural about the world.

that they built in this movie that it makes sense that Mickey Mouse, Mickey Mouse, and Bugs Bunny hanging out together it's or like a piano competition between Donald Duck and Daffy Duck stuff like that where I was like this is actually incredible and it doesn't feel at all like a cash grab totally and the other like okay you guys remember the movie ready player one

yeah sure yes perfect example yeah but I mean I know that that movie was very successful but it did feel like let's cram as many of course it's also what the book it's also what the book felt like and and I feel like this movie

yeah yeah it started it was a book first and and uh I do feel like this movie uh is doing

that

perfectly and it doesn't feel cheap which is yeah and it's in the service of this weirdo story like it's this it's this particular vision it's like not only are all the characters in this world but it's also a film noir parody and it has its own little plot you know it's just it's great it's very lovingly like yeah, and this is all like Robert Semekis directed this, but I think, I think the idea is that the reason all this stuff happened was Spielberg.

He was the biggest guy in town at this point, kind of still is, but at the time he was, and like, just called everyone and said, you have to let me put Bugs Bunny in this.

And they just said, okay, because it was Spielberg.

Wow.

I think there, there's a, um,

to me, with things like Ready Player One, it's things like, we have to include these.

We have to, because it's like, it's going to get.

And then this movie felt like we get to.

Yeah, yeah, we get to have this.

This is all so cool.

Like, it, it felt like everything was, uh, for the love of it and very exciting.

But yeah, it was weird with Mickey and Bugsby, because that's when I realized what an asshole Bugs Bunny truly is.

Like,

because Mickey's so nice.

Yeah, it is funny that, yeah, it is funny that they're together.

Yeah, it's fun.

It's fun.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

So, one more just little gag that I love that I want to call out in this kind of trip around the studio is they pass a cattle call and it is a bunch of cows and they're all reading their lines and they're all just saying moo.

Very funny.

Ah, I missed that one.

Again, good episode, me just saying things that were funny in a movie.

I guess, whatever.

Who knows?

Maybe we'll watch fucking cats or something next week.

Okay.

Just make our own jokes instead of just saying jokes we want.

Yeah, we don't just do shitty movies on this podcast.

Yeah.

We do good movies.

Sometimes we like to nerd out.

Sure.

Anyway, Eddie Valiant.

So he's got the assignment.

He rides the streetcar home.

L.A.

has the best public transit transit in the world.

He tells some street urchins who give him cigarettes.

And again, these are jokes, but they're part of the plot.

Fucking screenwriting.

He goes to the bar owned by Dolores.

They have a history.

It is kind of like the Dick Tracy Tess relationship.

Totally.

Are they dating?

What are they?

Did they used to date?

It's kind of unclear, but you can tell they're kind of in love.

Yeah.

And he alludes to a trip to Catalina.

She needs to borrow a camera.

She gives him the camera.

She says that the film hasn't been

developed since our trip to Catalina.

Anyway, and that's why we also learned that Eddie Valiant doesn't like tunes because a tune killed his brother, who was his partner in the private eye business.

So Valiant and Valiant.

He gets to the Ink and Paint Club where Roger's wife, Jessica, is performing.

The password to get in the Ink and Paint Club Walt sent me.

That's where we get Daffy and Donald doing the dueling pianos.

This is so fucking funny and so beautifully animated.

Oh my god, it's great.

Daffy Duck, one of the best characters ever.

There he meets Marvin Acme, the guy who owns Acme, you know, Jokes and Gags, squirts him with Disappearing Inc.

Joke, comes back later, screenwriting, everything comes back in this movie.

Fucking everything comes back.

Who wrote this, by the way?

Oh, you know, I

looked at it, and

it's a writing team, and they have other movies you've heard of, but nothing is like this.

They wrote like Shrek 3,

which might be a great movie.

That's a good one.

I have not seen Shrek 3.

But yeah, it's like one of the greatest screenplays.

I just love it.

Yeah.

Very cool.

It's perfect.

Let's see.

So

there's a penguin as the waiter.

He says, give me a scotch on the rocks.

And

he has to yell, I mean ice, because he knows the tunes are going to fuck it up.

I remember that.

God, I loved that as a kid, and I did not know it on the rocks.

No, neither did I.

There's a rock in his drink.

Yeah.

When he gets it and there's rocks in his drink, all I could think as a kid was, well, what else would it be?

Right.

And it wasn't until I was an adult that I went, oh, that's just, that's how adults say ice.

It sounds funny anyway.

That's what a lot of like, it's something just sounds funny, like the words sound funny.

Kids will think it's funny, but later on.

Yeah, absolutely.

I know.

I feel like I just like, I remember being a kid and watching Letterman and going, ha ha ha, Mayor Ed Koch.

Ha ha ha.

Yeah.

Like the guy who's the mayor of New York at the time.

And I'm just like, I don't know who that is.

As a kid, you just enjoy when you're watching other people laugh and have fun.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Oh, you guys?

So

this writing team,

they wrote How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the one with Jim Campbell.

Oh, that's a really good movie.

And Wild, Wild West.

Well, they can't all be winners, but you know,

I will say Wild, Wild West is a competent movie.

I love it.

Yeah.

I haven't seen it.

I know it's kind of a famous bomb, and I know it's like, I feel like

I know that it has a steampunk spider in it.

Yes, it does.

And that's all I know.

It's cool.

I liked it.

I can't imagine we won't watch Wild Wild West at a certain point for this.

Oh, heck yeah.

We gotta watch it.

You too.

Do it.

Someone put up Wild Wild West for free.

We will watch.

Yes.

Yes.

And oh, Betty Boop is the cocktail waitress.

And they clearly know each other.

And he's really sweet to Betty Boop.

It's like, you know, he says he hates tunes, but you can tell he has a relationship with them.

He knows they're going to do the Rocks joke.

He knows Betty Boop.

And, you know, she's fallen on a hard time since cartoons went to color.

But she's still got it.

She still got it.

Boop, boop, bee doop.

Very sweet, that little moment between them.

I love it.

And she's got the hots for Roger Rabbit, too.

Yeah, it's such a funny joke how every woman in this world wants Roger Rabbit.

Yeah, so then out comes Jessica Rabbit.

You know her.

She's the back tattoo on the most difficult person you ever dated.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah.

She's singing a song for all these

horny humans.

The Ink and Paint Club is for humans, but tunes work there.

And this thing is a parable for race in America.

Oh, my God.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, because it's like no tunes are allowed.

And like the way in which Eddie Valiant is someone who at one point did work in Toontown and work for and with Toons and is now like embarrassed if someone says he works with Toons.

It's clear that there's like a caste system in which toons are at the bottom.

In Canpain Club supposed to be the Cotton Club, I think.

Yes, absolutely.

White people would go and watch black performers who probably couldn't get in there themselves.

So yeah, fucking running around, but it's got levels.

Anyway,

but so Eddie follows Jessica back to her dressing room where she is playing patty cake with Marvin Acme.

Such a good gag.

It's great.

You don't see that they're actually playing patty cake.

You just think that's an old film noir reference for sex.

Right, right.

It sounds like they're fucking.

It's off camera.

He's taking pictures.

Yeah, she's moaning and stuff.

Yeah, and then it's not until you see Roger flipping through the black and white pictures that you see them like a flipbook.

It starts animating and they're playing Patty Cake.

I'm like, that's such a good joke.

It's great.

So, yeah, so, so, yeah, we, he shows Roger the photos of Patty Cake.

Uh, uh, he gives Roger a shot of whiskey.

It freaks him out.

He runs through the, he, like, kind of says something that makes it seem like he's going to get revenge.

And he goes, he, he blasts through the the wall and leaves a hole shaped like him That's like a real hole in the real fucking wall.

It's so good

And back at Valiant and Valiant, we see that he to develop the photos of Jessica playing patty cake he gets all these old photos of him

And his brother and we see that cranky old Andy Valiant in these photos was a real jokester.

He's like burying people in the sand.

He's doing the Groucho thing.

And then it it pans over his desk.

We see that his brother's side is still there, covered in dust.

And we just see his whole fucking history in pictures.

Like, it's him and his brother starting the detective agency.

There's a newspaper headline that says,

Goofy cleared of spy charges.

I love a newspaper headline joke.

As we know, this is one of my favorites.

So much funny Goofy.

So Goofy's a communist.

Yeah, or he was a suspected communist in this world.

I know.

Just so crazy that they

can i tell you you hope that it was communist it would be worse if it they was a suspected nazi yeah oh yeah

um well he's too he's too he's too goofy for that too yeah that's true um i do have i did go on a series of dates with a private eye with a private detective

in new york crazy that's an actual job and not just something that is exists in movies i know well i always was confused

I just assumed from movies as a kid that private eyes were a sector of the police force.

Right.

Yeah.

Like that they were undercover cops or something like that.

But they are independent contractors.

Like they're just their own thing.

They're just guys that are hired by civilians to just do whatever.

I'm sure that they will work with the cops if they want them to.

I just don't think, I don't think that's how that works.

But I didn't know that till I went on a

OK Cupid series of dates with this guy

vintage and

I he was seem really cool but the first date he picks me up in a car and he goes I have to stop somewhere before we go to dinner and we like park on the side of the road

and you're tailing somebody Yeah, I didn't know what we were doing because I didn't know what he did for a living.

This is all Brooklyn circa 2010.

It was like 2012, I think is what it was.

But like he was very handsome, very

not

right.

Yeah.

But we just sat there for a while, and then

could you always hear his internal monologue?

Could you hear what he did?

Yeah, right.

It's a dark night in Williamsburg.

Yeah, exactly.

Next to the whatever pizza shit is.

She was popular this month.

She was a stand-up comic from Nashville.

She says she is, but she doesn't have that many booked gigs.

More of an open micer, if you know what I mean.

But yeah,

I can hear you.

I can hear the monologue.

What the fuck?

He did come to my shows even after we stopped dating, which is weird.

So, yeah, we like parked for a while and we had to wait.

And he goes, it'll just be like a few more minutes.

Weird.

And then we waited for a while.

And he goes, he started talking to me a little bit.

And then he was like, all right, we're good to go.

I think he was just waiting to clock a time for somebody to.

I don't know.

Like when someone gets to work or something.

i guess but then we went to dinner and he told me about what he does and i was like did you take me on one of your jobs or whatever he goes yeah i was like okay and then emily this is a movie pitch pitch this

girl girl goes on date with guy does something weird and then they get he's a private eye and they get caught up in a thing Yeah, and

hang up the Zoom and pitch the movie.

Okay.

You don't have to podcast anymore.

You'll be rich.

But I'll tell you this.

I, so second date, I was very proud of myself not going home with him on the first date.

Second date,

went home with him.

He lived with like two roommates and his dresser.

I've never seen so many prescription bottles in my life.

In my life.

And I was like, what is all this?

He goes, well, this half I need in the morning and this half at night.

And I was like, Jesus Christ.

He was not quite,

he was a lot.

I realized that

Eddie Valiant is similar.

He is an alcoholic, or at least it is implied that he is an alcoholic in this movie.

So, you know, I think being a private eye is not an easy life.

That's true.

What is his top of his dresser drawer, but what my counter in my kitchen looks like of bottles?

Exactly.

What's the difference?

We were the same.

We are the same.

So, yeah, just to finish up this little pan across Eddie's desk, which is like one of the greatest things that's ever been in a movie.

You see that him and his brother,

there's a photo of them with their dad who's a clown, and it's like on the road with dad.

So their dad was clown.

You get his whole history, fucking screenwriting.

It's so good.

Again, this would all be a fucking dumb flashback in a lesser movie or a movie that was made now.

And you just get to see it real quick and you kind of get who this dude is.

So we learn the next day that Marvin Acme died last night.

They blame Roger, who they think was out to get revenge.

And apparently, someone dropped a safe on his head.

Very, very tuned way to kill somebody.

Also, very similar to how Bob Hoskins' brother died.

Yeah, someone dropped a piano on him.

Again, good joke.

Fun storytelling.

So the cops are all there.

He did it in Marvin Acme's like joke and gag factory.

So all the cops are dicking around with all these tuned gags.

Again, all of these things come back.

All of these things are used in the final battle.

There's a portable hole like Wiley Coyote uses.

There's a spring and a boxing glove that comes out of a mallet.

And a bunch of little shoes.

If you've seen this movie, you know where this is from.

You know about the shoes.

Those little shoes.

Into the crime scene walks Judge Doom.

It's Christopher Lloyd.

He's the tallest person in the movie.

Tallest guy.

He's tall as hell.

I didn't realize he was that tall.

Not the tallest toon in the movie.

The tallest toon is the gorilla who's working at the

ink and what is the ink and paint club?

It's a tallest ape.

The tallest ape.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll get a sting for that.

It'll be used once.

Yeah.

Well, there's probably some King Kong movies you could watch.

Yeah, that's a good point.

That's a good point.

We have talked about watching Congo.

That's been a good thing.

That's very true.

There's probably some tall apes in that.

Okay.

So there you go.

We're going to get a lot.

This is going to be the new t-shirt for next year.

Tallest ape.

It'll make us $40.

It'll be on Matt.

And Matt alone.

That's right.

Like, no, it's not me.

I just celebrate tall apes.

I'm not saying I'm an ape.

No, it's just that he's very tall.

We should cut all of that.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

This is great.

Great stuff.

This is what people want.

He's got a bunch of cartoon weasels who work for him.

Love them.

And the weasels are hilarious.

The weasels are great.

They all have a little personality.

There's like a straitjacket one.

There's like a dumb one with a beanie with the propeller.

Zoot suit one.

Zoot suit guy.

Love the weasels.

And he has a new Dudge Doom, has a concoction called the Dip that can kill a toon.

Apparently, nothing could kill a tune until now.

He picks up this fucking squeaky little shoe,

dunks it, dunks it in the dip.

Slowly.

You get to see it.

It knows it's dying.

The fucking look on this thing's face.

It's scared.

It knows what's happening.

And you see his like colors just kind of like drift out into the dip.

Like, this, our parents had Bambi's mom dying.

We had this shoe dying.

Yes.

100%.

100%.

Like, taught us about death.

Yes.

It was, for me.

It was the first time I ever, I think, watched a movie and contemplated my mortality.

Sure, yeah.

And also was a little mad at my parents for like making me watch a movie in which I had to feel this deeply about anything.

You know what I mean?

Land Before Time is what did it do.

No, Land Before Time.

Yeah, it didn't really do it for me.

I was just like, well, yeah.

Well, you hate your mother, right?

Yeah.

I was like, they're all going to die.

They're dinosaurs.

I was talking about my mom and dad.

I'm going hang out for a couple more weeks but you're gonna get meteor pretty soon yeah well what are you doing being near sharp tooths you know that's your first mistake that's your first mistake

that's funny yeah but uh no it's very i think an iconic scene for most at least for our our generation because it is legitimately freaky.

Yeah.

We learned that there's a struggle for the real estate that Toontown is on and that apparently Marvin Acame said he was going to will it to the toons, but we cannot find his will.

It's very film noir.

There's always a dispute about land or property or something.

Okay, so

back at Valiant Valiant, Eddie Valiant, he sees that in the pictures he took of Marvin Acme, the will is in his pocket.

This is like very convenient.

This is all like very, the way this will kind of travels through the movie is like, okay, why are people

passing off this piece of paper that they don't think is important?

Yeah.

Anyway, but it, you know, it figures out.

and and to be fair to the logic of the movie you actually are able to trace that piece of paper um to its final destination and it is plausible uh because it went from uh marvin acme uh to like being a piece of paper that he said he said oh my will is going to be there jessica rabbit goes and gets it it's blank so now she's holding on to a blank piece of paper she leaves it and then roger rabbit is looking for a piece of paper

in order to write a love letter and sees a blank piece of paper.

Like, it kind of works.

Yeah, yeah.

It's all like very, but I mean, I think even also if you like, you know, if you watch these movies or if you've, you know, read a Raymond Chandler, you know, there's a lot of convenient shit that happens.

Sure.

It all kind of feels like it's part of the genre.

Right, right.

But so Eddie and Roger, they're handcuffed together.

The weasels come in looking for him and they like tear apart Eddie's apartment.

And this is like

the like little things in this scene are so fucking cool.

There is a part where, you know, he's holding Roger underwater because he's washing his dishes.

And one of the weasels comes up and splashes.

And like, how,

how,

how?

Like

the cartoon hand interacting with the real water and splashing the water.

It's just like, yeah.

And I'm sure that was, I'm sure that took 40 people nine days to show.

I bet.

There's actually a video I saved, I think, in my Instagram for If We Ever Watch This, and it's a video of how they had Bob Hoskins driving a cartoon car, like how they were able to do it.

I'll post that when we post about this next week.

I will post that video so you guys can see how they did it.

It was like really

simplistic in a way, but also difficult.

Incredibly expensive.

Incredibly expensive.

I think this movie was a pain in the ass to make.

Yeah.

I think it was very expensive, but it also made a bazillion dollars.

So it totally paid off.

And it looks like people had enjoyed it, even though it was like a ton of work and exhaustive.

Like it was still like, I'm so glad I get to make this.

Like those kind of things.

And it didn't suck, too.

That helps a lot.

Yeah.

And ultimately, you know,

being like, hey, I helped make this busting my ass for a good movie.

That's nice.

Yeah, there's a.

I've watched

the special features of this.

And like, everybody they interviewed is just this very, like, everyone who worked on the movie is this very cold, technical guy.

Like,

the people when they're talking about the movie are not passionate.

They're just like talking about how it was done and like saw this all as a challenge.

And there's this one dude who I think about a lot when I'm thinking about like how to go at a project.

It's the guy who did the music, I think.

And again, just very like technical dude.

And he's, and he's like,

and somebody asked him, like, oh, how did you get the music right for the era?

And he's like, the greatest compliment someone can give my work is that it was appropriate.

And I'm like,

what a neat way to go at a project.

Not like, what do I want to say, or how can I shine?

Right.

What can I do that's appropriate?

Like, what is this need?

Anyway, I just, I love it.

I love it.

That's smart.

Like, it's not about me.

It's about

this thing.

Into the world of the movie specifically.

Yeah.

Sure.

Yeah.

Yes.

So I think about that.

The greatest compliment someone can can give my work is that it was appropriate.

So that's how I feel about, like, you know,

me working in an office.

You know,

the greatest compliment that someone can give me is that I've been appropriate with all of my co-workers.

Truly, every time I leave Mythical, I was like, was I appropriate today?

Did I ask before giving the back rub?

Am I inappropriate?

Because I get that a lot.

Did I not?

Did I scream too loud in the the bathroom?

Why are you screaming?

So this is great.

They don't find Roger.

He goes to Dolores's to

get her to help and get the handcuffs off.

So he's trying to saw off the handcuffs.

And Roger is like, oh, does this help?

So he slips out of the handcuffs and holds the box that he's sawing on.

And he says, you could have taken your hand out of that cuff at any time.

And Roger says, nope, only when it was funny.

That's one of my favorite lines in any movie ever.

Yep, I agree completely.

And it might, yeah, it's my favorite line of the movie.

It's so funny, such a good joke.

It's awesome.

Yeah, it's kind of like when you drop the stings, you could do them at any time.

Only when it's funny, yeah, yeah, that's right.

The joke could be all stings, and it would probably be more popular.

Yeah, yeah, that's probably true.

So sorry.

Wow, brother.

You were sitting on that one.

That's a good one.

When it was the funniest.

There you go.

When it was funny.

There it was.

So Jessica comes to Eddie's office.

So he is, like, he's shirtless and he just has his tie on.

Bob Hoskins, very hairy man.

This is weird because you're like, why does he have his shirt off?

There's a deleted scene where the weasels put a paint, a cartoon pig head on him, and he has to get in the shower to wash it off.

And you see this pig head slide off his face and go down the drain.

Really cool.

But it explains why he's shirtless here.

Oh, I never even thought to ask why he was shirtless.

I was just like, you know, sometimes you're in your office.

You're a scumbag.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, there's like, you remember

if you are part of Max Fun, if you're a member and you want to see or listen to some things that we've done, our first episode we ever tried to do was

frogs.

Oh, yeah.

It was frogs.

And there were all these excuses people made to get Sam Elliott to be shirtless

in that movie.

And I feel like they did that here with Bob Hoskins.

I think it was just, what can we do?

Yeah, to get people are going to want to see it.

They're going to want to see this boxy, hairy,

love that he was like, I could wax or shave, but nah, dog, this is how I look.

Kept it real.

I got to tell you, that is very sexy.

I don't know.

It's just,

he's absolutely daddy.

I mean, that's for sure.

Daddy for for daddy.

Zaddy.

Daddy, Daddy, Zaddy, Raddy.

Tell us.

All the Addies.

All the Addies.

So, yeah, so this is happening in kind of Dolores' back room.

Judge Doom comes in.

Roger's hiding, but he taps shaving a haircut on the walls, and Roger has to come out and go two bits.

And that's when he tries to dip Roger, but he's like, we're going to give him one last drink.

And that's because, you know, we saw in the earlier, when he gets the drink, he goes crazy.

Love Roger just splashing the whiskey in his face, goes crazy,

gets out, and then they

escape.

And Benny the Cab, this is Roger's kind of like, and again, so Benny the Cab, a little bit like Baby Herman, just got the New York voice.

It's this guy.

They grew up together.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

But yeah, I mean, we had so many of those characters in like media growing up.

So many of this guy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, it's me.

New York.

Musin X Booger.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sure.

He's my favorite guy.

Yeah, sure.

New York's, New York's favorite son.

You know, listen, New York loves Martin Scorsese.

Not the Rolling Stones.

You know what I'm doing?

And then the Musinex.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Second one, and then the third one.

And then the third one.

And then the Musinex Booger.

Yep.

Anyway, so it's Benny the Cab.

There's this big chase scene.

Benny's just making small talk.

He's going, how about them Brooklyn Dodgers?

What a bunch of bums, huh?

So they hide out.

So they escape and they hide out in the movies.

And they're watching a goofy cartoon, like a real goofy cartoon.

And again, just one of the little things I love in this is Roger loves Goofy and he's complimenting the whole time.

And that's how you fucking know that Roger is the best because he's not professionally jealous of Goofy.

Yeah.

Like he can appreciate it.

That's how you know that like Roger's good.

Well, he's a communist.

So

yeah, that too.

Also, we learned that Goofy is at least a suspected communist.

He's Goofy.

Yeah, hello traveler.

If he's ever going to be jealous of anyone, it's Bugs Bunny.

Yeah, yeah.

So they don't hang out.

They don't hang out.

Yeah.

So

women not supporting women.

Yeah.

Bunny's not supporting bunnies.

He's a guy.

Real guy's bunny.

Yeah.

So yeah, we, it's also that little line, Jessica, Jessica says to him, you're the best I've ever had, even better than Goofy.

So like, there's a history there.

What?

Yeah.

I missed that.

Better than Goofy.

Yeah.

I bet Goofy fucks.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yeah.

I know it.

He's also like the tallest of all of the

Disney characters.

Gorsch.

Gorsch.

I sure love you.

Yeah, Goofy fucks Pluto.

When he comes, he goes,

Yeah.

And he has to play a little record that teaches him how to fuck.

So you want to fuck.

So you want to fuck.

Yes.

First, remove your trousers.

And he gets all tangled in his trousers.

Also, brush your tooth

before kissing the lady.

He's got a kid.

He's got Max.

So he's right.

He's fucked at least one.

Dude, and honestly, though, I could see Jessica Rabbit

and Goofy creating Max.

Kind of looks like...

You never really meet Max's mom, do you?

She's dead.

She's dead in the world of a Goofy movie.

Whoa.

Although,

how old is Goofy, though?

Because this is happening in the 40s, right?

So, and that's.

Well, there's no time in Toontown.

That's a good point.

So, if they're not dipped, they live forever.

So, right.

There you go.

Okay.

This all makes sense.

Could you imagine if

a fan art weirdos?

Get drawn.

Get drawn.

We want to see Goofy and Disney.

Get drawn, weirdos.

And make sure to make Goofy's dick is thick.

It's a thick dick.

Oh, yeah.

We know it's thick.

It's long, too.

It's like a unit.

So

we learn that.

Oh, R.K.

Maroon gets shot in all of this, and Eddie, Eddie chases the shooter into Toontown.

He's finally going to do it.

He's finally going to go into Toontown.

After pledging never to return, he takes out this cartoon gun.

And I noticed something on this watch that I had never noticed before.

When he opens the case of the cartoon gun, there's a little tag that says, from Yosemite Sam, thanks for getting me out of the hooscow.

So fucking funny.

You can watch this movie a million times, still catch something.

That's so cool.

I didn't see that.

Yeah, that's right.

There's always a new thing.

I also learned a new thing, which is

he,

Roger Rabbit says something about his, I think his uncle Thumper or his his grandfather Thumper.

Oh, right.

This is the probate thing.

Yes.

Yeah, my uncle,

yeah, my uncle Thumper had to check his probate.

He had to take these big pills and drink lots of of water.

Oh, yeah, not prostate, probate.

And I was like, wait a second, Thumper.

Oh, yeah.

Is Roger Rabbit a Nepo baby?

Oh,

he's a Mankowitz.

He's a Mankowitz.

That's crazy.

But hey, as long as he owns it, we're all away.

As long as he owns it, exactly.

Oh, I never, my uncle never helped me get an audition.

Anyway, so he's going into Toontown.

He has his cartoon gun.

And we got a problematic Native American bullet in there.

You know, whatever.

88.

It's the 88.

Yeah, 88.

So, but he'd use it to shoot his shoot his

bottle of whiskey.

He's off the stuff, and he's back.

He goes around Toontown.

There's this like horny, ugly woman that chases him around.

Yeah, Lena the Hyena.

Lena the hyena.

Another core memory of mine, which was that

sometimes women will chase you trying to kill you with kisses.

Yes.

Yeah, and

they'll just start kissing the air in the hope that they can get you.

Hey, Matt, could you get the Who We'd Play sting-up?

Who We'd Play.

Who would you play?

I would play that crazy bitch.

I don't think that, like, I'd like to think that I'm Jessica Rabbit, but nah, I'm that lady.

Not just Rabbit's hair, but at the same time, so does Lena the Hyena has that hair, too.

Yeah, I mean, from behind.

You're just behind the air.

You're always just kissing the air.

Climbing the walls.

Just like,

like, I think that that from behind I look pretty good but from the front hot mess

coming at you

we're almost to the thrilling conclusion of who framed Roger Rabbit and we're gonna talk about it right after this

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We're talking about the thrilling conclusion of Roger Rabbit.

So yeah, he's running through Toontown.

He falls off the building.

Oh, Tweety Bird.

He grabs onto a a pole.

Tweety Bird takes his hand, takes his fingers, and goes, One little pity, two little pity.

Oh, no, I ran out of pities.

Also, it's kind of a little moment.

He's like, hey, Tweety.

So we just kind of know he has a relationship with the Toons.

That's when we get kind of Bugs and Mickey doing this gag with the parachute.

They say, you want our spare?

He says, give it to me.

And it's a spare tire.

Very funny.

Bugs is an asshole.

We love him.

And then he

gets saved.

He gets saved by Jessica Rabbit.

She's figured out that it's Doom that's been doing this.

Kind of funny if you think about it.

She solves the mystery.

Like off camera, she figures it out.

So it's like she's had this whole other little movie that's been happening.

Well, it's kind of like the Finn Fatale usually knows all the secrets anyway, but she doesn't turn out to be the villain.

Like, oftentimes, the Finn Fatale has a hand in

the business and they must be punished.

Yes, but she's just like, I'm super smart and I'm drawn like I'm supposed to be a bad guy.

That's right.

Yeah.

She's drawn that way.

She's not bad.

She's just drawn that way.

Another great line from this movie.

Another back tattoo of the most difficult relationship you've ever had.

It's Kathleen Turner who's the voice of the girl.

Kathleen Turner knows.

Oh, what a voice.

I've met her.

Oh, cool.

She was so funny.

I was auditioning for a commercial once.

And she was just there hamming it up in like the whole, like there were multiple audition rooms that she was just walking in, going, I hope you all get the job.

Like, walking around, I was like, that bitch is a legend.

Like, I love her so much.

Yeah.

And, like, in this, I'm so glad that this movie is like voice actors and not like celebrity cameos.

Cause, like, if they did this movie right now, Roger would be fucking Chris Pratt doing the one voice that he does.

But I'm so glad it's just voice actors.

But she's like a celebrity stunt cast and she's perfect.

She's so good.

Oh my God, it's dip.

That like delivery on that.

That scared me that line because

you felt how scary it was.

So yeah,

because it's the only time she really raises her voice.

Right.

You know, it's like she's so cool, but she's scared there.

You know?

Yeah.

She's not scared of shit until then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah, so they try to get away.

They spill some dip on the road and Benny the cab skids out.

And then so he's hurt and he gets in a car and drives a car, but he is a car.

Nothing is funnier than that.

Nothing is funnier than that.

Absolutely, nothing's funnier than that.

Jessica and Roger get kidnapped.

They get tied up at the joke factory.

We learn that Judge Doom's plan is to build a freeway.

He bought the streetcars in LA.

He's going to put a freeway through Toontown all the way to Pasadena.

And this is like a real thing that happened in L.A.

A fucking evil company

bought the public transit and then put the free, like, this is all just shit that happened.

I love it.

This is just pro public transit.

This whole movie.

Yes, it's this is a communist movie.

I love it.

Sure, yeah.

No, but it is like something they would, like, that the like McCarthy hearings would have uncovered.

Yes.

A hundred percent.

And, you know, it's like

they even, you know,

at the when the movie ends, they're like, well, what are we going to do, you know, next time some, you know, evil developer comes to town or something.

and i was just like they're talking about the evilness of big developers this is the most based movie i've ever seen yes uh but like you know also uh the red car stuff growing up this was like so fascinating to me it was the first time i i ever found myself interested in the idea of watching like a historical drama or a historical anything type of movie because i was like oh yeah there are freeways everywhere and right near my house were these abandoned train tracks.

And I always wondered, like, did we have a train going through here?

And it turned out it was an abandoned red car line that used to run on the west side.

And I just was like, this movie just taught me my own local history.

It's a movie about cartoons and people in the same movie.

It's crazy.

It is such an idea.

I love it.

So,

so, so, Roger and Jessica are tied up.

Um, we learned that Judge Doom is a toon,

the one who killed Eddie's brother so his his eyeballs pop so this terrified me as a kid can we first talk about the most the first most terrifying part is when he gets run over by that yes yes what even is that flattening like big

steamroller steamroller right steam roller that it's just you watch him slowly like go up and he's just screaming what he's screaming that is the most terrifying way to die i i constantly think about like being crushed under something like that and just slowly watching it inch to your face.

Like, yeah, terrifying.

Yeah, he gets flattened like a cartoon character.

He blows himself back up with like a helium,

and then his eyeballs pop out.

I have always hated eyeball stuff in movies,

probably where it comes from.

Teeth and eyeballs, and fucking these red eyes.

And he says, When I killed your brother, I talked just like this.

Yeah, he's so scary.

He said he talked.

There it is.

It's so freaky.

Eddie Redmane could never.

Yeah.

Oh, dear.

So

there's this big fight.

They use

all of the gags that we saw in the crime scene thing.

And then to kill the weasels, because we know from earlier the weasels can die laughing.

Eddie starts this, like,

starts this kind of like circus calliope thing, and he does this goofy song and dance.

The old clown training comes back that he probably got from his dad.

He does this hilarious routine and bonks himself with like bowling balls and like does a pogo stick, and all the weasels laugh so hard that they die.

And obviously, Bob Hoskins cannot sing or dance, but it's like fucking giving it.

You know, he's just so serious and funny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then finally,

they kill Doom, and the will was written in Disappearing, Reappearing Inc, and it reappears.

And we learned that the Toons now have possession of Toontown.

That's right.

Everything's great.

So we just, we learned that Judge Doom was a toon in a human suit and just melted.

And they're like, I wonder who he really was.

And they don't explain it.

It rules.

Again, in a fucking shitty modern movie, there would be a dumb flashback about how Doom was wounded as a child.

Right.

I just love it.

Do you ever think we'll find out who he really is?

It's really great.

I love it.

He's just a mystery.

You can kind of infer what he was after, but I don't know.

Yeah.

If it were made today, it would be like, oh, he was...

AI.

He was probably just AI.

No, they would say he's Jim Carrey's robotnik or something.

They would do another tie-in.

They'd be like, oh, yeah, it's this other thing.

And then when we make the sequel, and it's just like, stop.

Stop, man.

I feel like he's a metaphor for the live-action Disney movies.

Like, you know what I mean?

Live-action beauty and the beast.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She comes from a shitty mask over a beautiful cartoon.

That's right.

So, yeah, I think there's like, there are like, the guy who wrote the novel this was based on has been writing Roger Rabbit novels that I guess like explain shit.

And there's one where like Jessica joins the CIA.

I'm kind of, maybe I'll like become just a total Roger Rabbit novel.

I had no idea that these were based on a novel.

So

I had no idea.

Yeah, it's based on a novel.

It's called Who Censored Roger Abbott.

I've never read it.

Apparently, it's super different.

But then once the movie was a success, the guy just followed the movie continuity.

And now there's just a novel about Jessica joining the CIA.

Fine.

So there's a lot of sequels to this that never got made, but were written.

The one that got closest was called Toon Platoon, and it was a prequel about the tunes in World War II fighting Hitler.

Cool.

Yeah.

God, I want to read it.

Yeah, I want to read that.

I want them to make it, but

I think the story is that Spielberg was supposed to direct it and said, I can't do it after Schindler's list.

So

fair.

Yeah.

Makes sense.

Just think about if Spielberg directed a Roger Rabbit prequel about him fighting Hitler.

I love it.

Anyway, I love it.

Didn't he do Saving Private Ryan, too?

Yeah.

Yeah, sure.

He only does serious World War II movies.

You know, he doesn't want to have a cartoon in there.

I don't want to be bonking Hitler with a mallet.

I think we all need to see that.

Anyway,

but yeah, that's the end of the movie, and it ends with Porky going be a baby.

That's all, folks.

And incredible.

It's incredible.

Yeah.

Hey, we're going to rank Who Framed Roger Rabbit on scale of one to ten Super Loud Commercials.

But first, we're going to talk about who we were most sexually attracted to.

Hey, it's Hunk Watch.

It's Hunk Watch.

Bob Hoskins, right?

Bob Hoskins.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

it's kind of a no-brainer.

But I also think,

you know, it's outside of Bob Hoskins, outside of the obvious hottest guy in this movie.

Who else?

I would say Roger Rabbit.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

I got it.

He's a sex symbol in his world and in ours.

I feel like Roger Rabbit

being attractive to every woman in this movie.

changed the course of my life.

Roger Rabbit is a fuckboy.

I don't like he just.

So he's a wife wife guy, Emily.

Yeah, he's now a wife guy.

But before Jessica, he was a fuckboy.

100%.

Yeah, I think that there is fuckboy in terms of like they fuck you and never call you back.

And then there's fuckboy that

fucks you, sticks around all the time, doesn't really offer anything,

doesn't like have a, you know, doesn't help around the house.

This is not Roger Rabbit you're describing.

I, I,

I disagree.

Roger Drabbit is a wonderful husband.

Okay.

How dare you?

Be all right.

Probably doesn't help clean up for him.

I don't know.

Something tells his ass stinks.

I just know it.

I just have a feeling.

He's a stinky boy.

His filthy towels laying around.

Yeah, me and also being obsessed with Bob Hoskins' back hair.

I don't care how much he stinks.

I want him bad.

Yeah, but I was always, I think, amazed.

There was something that stuck with me forever, which was when Bob Hoskins, when Eddie Valiant is asking Jessica Rabbit, what do you see in this guy?

And then she just goes, he makes me laugh.

And I was like, oh, is that it?

Is that what you have to do

if you look not like a hot guy or whatever, like classically hot?

You only have a bow tie and giant dance.

Lover.

She also.

Well, right.

But I mean, that's the thing.

To get to that point, you first have to make someone laugh.

And so, yeah, anyways, changed the course of my life.

And

at some point, I hope to be funny so that I can have sex.

Just kidding.

That'd be cool.

But to be an attractive woman, you have to have big tits, red hair.

And guess what?

Good work.

This changed my life, too.

The patriarchy still exists even in Toontown.

Yeah, pretty much.

Well, yeah, we're going to rank Who Framed Roger Rabbit on a scale of one to ten super loud commercials.

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We are going to rank who framed Roger Rabbit on a scale of one to 10 super loud commercials.

Yeah, I'll wrap it up because this is, you know, I'm so insane for this movie.

But it sounds like we all kind of are, so maybe it doesn't matter.

Emily, you want to go first?

It's a tippy 10, baby.

All the way.

Yeah, it's been a while since we've had a tippy 10.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm giving it a 10 as well.

As I was watching it, I was just like, this is so much better than I remember.

Like, I remember loving it.

And then watching it as an adult, I was just blown away.

So, yeah, 10.

Obvious 10.

Yeah,

something

in our show's history.

There has been one 11 given out by Matt Lieb when we watched Death Becomes Her.

Oh, yeah.

Another Robert Zemekis movie.

Wow.

It's kind of about Hollywood, too.

So, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and instigate.

I'm going to use my floating 11 for this movie.

If you get me on the right day, my favorite movie of all time.

So, yeah, I'm going to give Who Framed Roger Rabbit the floating 11.

I will not be whipping this out on the reg.

I will not be ripping this out for Alien vs.

Predator Requiem or whatever we watch next.

But yeah, Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

It's the fucking best.

Yeah.

All right.

That's that part of the show.

Now it's time for the plug part of the show.

The best part of the show, though.

Everyone's fast-forwarded to this moment.

I got something.

What do you got?

I can't tell you about it yet.

Something's coming.

Something's coming, and it's my own show.

Where will it be?

You don't know.

You don't know where it'll be, but I've never had my own show.

I hope Peacock.

Yeah, then no one will watch it.

But yet.

But

it's Yellowstone and me, bitch.

I will tell y'all more when I'm allowed to say more, but I've never had my own show

ever.

of anything of any sort.

And I'm very, very excited, but I'll share with you later.

So just stay tuned, folks.

Okay.

Well, I have a show.

Matt.

So many shows.

Yeah.

But it's just a stand-up comedy show.

So it is less interesting, but still something you could come to.

My wife and I, my wife, will be at the Ice House.

You're Jessica.

You're Jessica Rabbit.

My very own Jessica Rabbit and I will be at the Ice House in Pasadena Wednesday, February 19th at 7.30 p.m.

Please be there.

We have a great lineup of comics.

I'll be there.

I want to come.

Hell yeah.

Come.

It is going to be Ice House in Pasadena, Wednesday, February 19th.

Tickets will be in the bio.

And I've got some comic book stuff to tell you about.

I've got two books coming out in the next couple months that I'm in the next couple months that I'm really excited about.

Web of Spider-Verse, New Blood, a Spider-Man anthology that I have a story in with the great artist Sumit Kumar.

That comes out on March March 5th, and I'm going to be signing those books at a bunch of cool places in California.

On the 5th, I will be at Arsenal Comics in Newberry Park 5 to 6.30.

On the 9th of March, I will be at Golden Apple Comics in Hollywood, 1 to 3 p.m.

And on March 15th, I will be at Cape and Cowell Comics in Oakland from 1 to 3.

So come on out.

All right.

Get one of those comics signed.

We might have some special guests at some of those, so stay tuned.

And,

you know, while you're grabbing your copy of web of spider vs new blood make sure you pre-order godzilla vs la this is a godzilla comic uh where he visits la and all the proceeds go to wildfire relief so cool comic good cause i got a story in it with uh one of my favorite comic book artists of all time nicolco

uh she uh of uh shadow of the bat girl fuck off squad uh pet peeves some of my favorite recent comics i'm so so excited to be collaborating with her on this uh we've got a cool godzilla story that is set in a legally dissimilar version of Universal Studios.

So,

yeah, make sure you pick up Godzilla vs.

LA and Web of Spider vs.

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