Jojo Siwa Can't Wait to Die

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Mazel Morons, welcome back to the Good Guys podcast. I'm sitting here with a guy who doesn't wear all black because it's slimming.
It's because he's dead inside. It's Ben Soffer.
And I am here with a queen that needs no introduction, Jojo Siwa. The braid is braiding.
Thank you so much for joining us. We're so excited to have you.
Of course. Thank you both for having me.
When you texted, I was like, absolutely. It's literally not even a question.
Hello? Jojo, you are, I just, can I, can I, can I just have a moment? Take your moment. About Jojo.
Take your moment. Jojo Siwa.
Take so fucking bullish on Jojo Siwa. And I don't care.
Who knows? Stop. Thank you.
I am such a fan. You know, when we were both doing YouTube years ago.
Yep. Rest in peace that era.
God bless. Take me back.
It was a good time. Like, I think all the time, I'm like, what I would give to just have 2018, like, have all my friends teach me how to drive, like, do absolutely nothing again.
Like, oh, so good. Yes.
So good. Take me back.
We miss the AdSense. So much.
Oh, yeah. Let's talk money.
Money's awesome. Money's the best.
Let's go in. We're hype on money.
And I remember we were going to record a video together. And obviously, I was aware of your greatness.
But there were some kiddos in my life at the time because I didn't have kids. But our good family friends, their daughters were like six and nine.
And so they were like right in your demo at the time. And so when we were shooting the video, I said, Jojo, would you mind? And I feel awful and weird asking yeah you made them a video their their heads exploded when they saw it it was so amazing and generous you gave them a bunch of swag of course you told me a line about your merchandise that haunts me forever what did i say you said i have merchandise on every continent except there's no walmart in Antarctica.
Yep. Yep.
We're on six out of seven. That is such a power move.
Isn't that crazy? It's wild. That's crazy.
Congrats. Thank you.
That's awesome. Thank you so much.
That's awesome. But can we do a pop-up in Antarctica? Because this don't sit right with me.
We just need to go sell one. I need to take it there, manually go door to door, knock, knock, knock.
I mean, there's like 40 people there total, but someone will buy it. That's like a Mr.
Beast video waiting for you. Like if you go to Mr.
Beast and say, take me to Antarctica because I don't have any merchandise there and I want to sell it door to door. It's a sponsorship waiting to happen.
Honestly, Jojo Siwa X Feastables is waiting. There we go.
Yes. Oh my God.
Wow. Let's get the big stuff out of the way first because I feel like you have these moments where you're just like, you know, whether it's a new song or you're crushing music, it's like you get really into this thing and it becomes your...
Life like where's where's life at right now i i when i deep dive into something like i'm committed like i'm in i and i embrace it and i make it i i almost like immerse myself in it right now i'm immersed in my my future music um it's it's a lot of fun it's a lot there's a lot of songs i made a i've made a one file has all my songs in it that are our future and it's it's a 45 minute file 47 minute file and so I'm right now so immersed in that world I'm also immersed in the world of selling my house which is a lot of fun and buying a new house which is a lot of fun so like what are we thinking take us through it okay so it all started because I found this beautiful home that i'm absolutely obsessed with like would put the offer in on tomorrow but i have my house and it's but you're like buckingham palace is taken but i can't afford it unfortunately garden ridge you can't have it but so no this house it's an encino it's beautiful but i have made the responsible choice to not have two real estate properties right now i mean look, look, I couldn't, I could lease it out, but where I'm at right now, it doesn't make much sense to do that. So I made the responsible choice to sell mine first and then go buy after it sells.
But we're literally like, this is like, I found out yesterday that we're staging it on Friday. So I found out yesterday, get your shit out.
Like that's been kind of immersed. My love life's great.
I'm super personally happy. My family's great.
They're happy. They make me happy.
My friends are great. They make me super happy.
I'm in like train mode right now where I just am like training left and right. I just got back from Australia with performances over there.
So that was a ball. And what does that look like when you're performing in Australia? Are you you doing like massive venues like what's the show look like take us so right now it's actually like tiny festivals which are so fun they're so intimate it's like pride fest basically yeah and yeah so we did one in melbourne it's we did a seven song set it's honestly the stage is like as big as this room like it's tiny it's me and my six dancers I played the drums for the first time which was really fun there was like 3 000 people which like when I was on tour as a kid it was 17 000 a night so it's like it's it's definitely much smaller but it's like that intimate vibe is actually something that I love so much and like candidly actually not candidly confidentially but I'm saying it live on a podcast who cares being in australia and doing that said performance i did another one over there tiktok awards that was awesome it was tv tiktok it was it was fucking great but the first performance the pride fest one in that was in melbourne being in that intimate venue actually made me have an idea to create a show that I could do over and over again, multiple times on a tour sort of thing that isn't a big concert tour.
It's something else. And it gave me this idea and we've been working through it now.
And I have my first like, hey team, here's what we're doing call on Thursday. So in two days from now, like I'm like, good, uh, clarifying trip and it like gave me some good ideas.
Nice. How big is the Jojo Siwa team? It's actually fairly, fairly smaller than you would think.
I have my mom who's my right hand man. I have my publicist bill.
I have my management, my management team's pretty big. I'm with seven to four.
And so we got Cade, Larry larry claire and then like the group has like seven or eight people in it don't know everybody but there's a lot of them but cade larry and claire are the main ones and then i have my agency caa i have my attorneys my lawyers we love them and i have my financial team my financial advisors and my videographer cam my choreographer richie but really that's it because like hair and makeup wise i do all my own wardrobe my mom does it's like it's we keep it very very in-house you don't need to hear from me how impressive you are but like you are and like just like just like super cool down to earth but also just like a superstar and like it's funny that you say that you like those smaller shows that means that you're a great performer smaller shows are harder than bigger shows they definitely like the bigger shows you're not like looking at one person in front of you right like this those small rooms like everybody's listening to you yeah they're they're hard to satisfy too because it's like if the vibes are just off they're off like you can't kind of change it totally but i appreciate that thank you and this pivot into music everybody's been fascinated by it i'm sure that everybody asks you these questions but like this is just this is just your life's dream right like this is the passion project this is what this is what you've been gunning for it is it's interesting like we're at a point right now where i'm like i'm literally doing it because i enjoy it like i enjoy i enjoy messing with the world i enjoy singing what i want to sing i do it all so i can perform on a stage but it really it really is my passion like i just i love it and like i i recently had a friend come into my life that got to know me outside my career for a while before they saw me in my career element and the second that they saw me on stage for the first time they were like I think I'm they were saying like I'm gonna be a little tripped out like I know you as this like chill like Joelle Siwa Joelle's my real name and then they were like whereas most people see you as Jojo Siwa and then get to know you as Joelle and I was like yeah no no I was like I'm excited to see like what what you think and it's funny like i came off stage and they were like you are literally meant to be up there like when you are on stage it is so clear that that is where you are supposed to be and it's a beautiful thing to watch and that like i don't know it melted my heart a little bit because i was just like somebody else sees it i just i think that you played it so. Like I remember when you like first dropped Karma, it was like so jarring.
And if it wasn't so jarring, then you couldn't have made this pivot as seamlessly as you are. Like if you just like slowly went into it, they would be thinking of the older version of you.
And now we're just thinking of you in the moment. So whether that was you, whether that was your team, whoever it was, I think it was like a genius transition.
No, I actually fight a lot of people on it. My team did not agree with me on it at the time I was signed to a label and they did not agree with me on it.
And they, what did they want you to do? So they, so you know how karma, they, there was another song that we had that they wanted to be released first. And I didn't, like no it's karma karma karma karma karma and they were like no i was like yes and then i was like all right then this was this was two years ago at this point anyway so then once i got the green light for karma i came up with the idea i wanted to make the video and they were like we don't have the funds for this video and i was like great all good i do and they were like no like don't put your money into this and they were like no i was like no i want to like i want to and they were like no don't and i was like i am get on board or not like it's all good have you always been that strong and secure with your instinct yeah and like i don't know i think i just from being in it so young i've learned from a young age like at the end of the day like I don't get a run away from being Jojo Siwa like everyone else who works with me goes home at night and like forgets about it and like has their life but for me like it is my life you know what I mean I am in the best way possible stuck with it and so I I have to make sure that like when I fall asleep at night I'm 100 satisfied in choices.
And like that doesn't, that also something I'm really big on is that puts me in a position of power, right? And one thing when you're in a position of power is you can't abuse it. And I think that's where a lot of people go wrong is they make choices just because they can or just because they want to be right.
You know what I mean? But I've learned from a very young age. Actually, my stage manager taught me.
He said, I have the credential card. And I said, what does that mean? And he said, well, your face is on everybody's credential.
So if you don't get what you want, you can say, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing the show.
And then you'll get what you want because we can do the show without anybody else. We cannot do it without you.
And I was like, damn. OK.
And so but I've always known that I can't abuse that power because then it's it's unhealthy. You know what I mean? This episode of the Good Guys podcast is brought to you by Quip.
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Twice in a row, back to back just now. And I...
You want to say more? Yeah. I mean, I definitely can.
I, with... Ooh.
What's the best way to word this? Because yes, I do. Okay, I'll actually, I can, we just, we just released a song, Iced Coffee.
And right now, I just released a song, Iced Coffee, I should say. There's no, there's not really a we.
It's definitely a me. It does all fall on my shoulders.
I do have my, at the time I was signed to the label. Anyway, so I wanted this song to come out, boom, drop overnight.
It's a scandal. JoJo hasn't been posting.
Now this song's out. What the fuck's happening? And that was kind of the like idea behind putting out the song.
But then, you know, no, cause you got to do two weeks of TikTok promo before. And I was like, typically yes.
I was like, but in this case, no. And then, you know, I always say like, pick the hill you want to die on.
And the choice was either not release at all or do the two weeks of pre-roll on TikTok. And I was like, it's just not going to make it when the song comes out, it's not going to make the effect that it would have.
And what do you know who ended up being right? I did. But in the end, like no one knows that's no one knows or cares about that story that like I if it would have if it would have all happened at once I think it would have had a little bit better of a chance of success and I I think it did great and I'm super happy with how it did and it made a little bit of a stamp and it's funny and who cares but I think at the end of the day like it would have if we would have done it fully my way and I would have stood my ground and be like no this is the plan this is what's happening I think it would have it would have resulted better going back to karma though I actually like the suits quote-unquote I love calling the suits the suits the suits quote-unquote wanted me to edit out the black beast the like iconic karma look with the makeup and the black costume and the wild and that beast look and they after we got the video back they said they said that that that look isn't pop star and like that's not gonna work and i was like hello it's like that's the one thing that is gonna work yeah like you went to vassar what do you know about that look is pop star dear like hello like that's my this is my version yeah yeah and so then whatever they actually after then karma was released and that black beast look is what took off and the dance is what took off they actually did have a conversation with me like look we were wrong and like we're gonna give you your flowers and we're gonna say that we were wrong and i was like thank you like thank you for acknowledging it like i do appreciate that they're always wrong right Because they're always taking like a one-size-fits-all approach to somebody who is naturally viral.
Like, you're viral because you know how to go viral. You mentioned before in passing, like, you love sort of playing with the public.
Yeah. You love playing with the world.
Like, you know how to do that. Yeah, and I definitely, I have my own specific game.
You know what I mean? It's funny. One of my friends told me, because right now there's this trend of like ignoring, right, on the internet.
Have you seen this trend? No, tell me. Okay, so basically somebody posted this TikTok.
I'm on cholesterol meds. I don't know everything going on social media.
And honestly, lucky you. I know you would rather probably not be on them, but lucky you about the social media part.
No, big fan, Crestor. Yeah, perfect.
When I need them. At the time, you know who to tax.
I got you. You got me, actually.
I'm not pushing when you're ready. Anyway, so this girl follows this video.
What if we just started to ignore celebrities and just see what happens? And that video blew up, and all the comments were like, let's get jojo siwa first and so the point was to like not like my video right like not like my videos well actually i was able to use this to my advantage because i have the new song out so i was like heck yeah like i'm gonna post the new song right and in four days it got 80 million views on tiktok now it got 100 000 likes which is a horrible like to view ratio i mean you're talking 80 million views you're talking 100 000 likes that's less than one percent you know what i mean like it's it's essentially nothing is that math correct yeah yes but like but likes don't make you money 800 000 would be one percent exactly so it's i mean it's it's a fraction of a percent two child actors trying to do math hilarious Ha! It's I mean it's a fraction of a percent. Two child actors trying to do

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And I was like, that's an interesting perspective on it. But yeah, I don't know.
It's, I just, I, I'm definitely in a very unique situation, right? Cause I never played a character when I was young right I always like you for example like and also too like they used your real name which I think has to be such a trip because like you were playing a character right but in a way you were also using your own name which was that had to be kind of trippy as a kid no? I'm weirdly thankful for it now that when people do call me out on the street they're like hey screech you know they're not like yeah zeppelin you know like that i am thankful for but you're right screech it was r.i.p but it was a it was a character that wasn't and so of course people had an expectation yeah and then also like from your perspective you got to grow up and then be who josh peck was you know what i mean like you got to kind of break away from that character whereas in my position as a child star right i never really played a character i played a more elevated more entertaining version of myself but it wasn't a character you know what i mean like no one wants to see me sit in what I mean? Like no one wants to see me sit in my car and be silent, but everyone wants to see me sit in my car and be like, you know what I mean? Was that ever exhausting? No, I mean, I loved it. Still do to the day.
Like, I mean, yes, it's exhausting, but like not to a point where I didn't want to do it. You know what I mean? It was always me wanting to do it.
It was never a team behind me being like, you have to post. It would be me being like, okay, stop giving me an idea.
Like I have it myself. I have my next 50 ideas planned.
Like this is not how this works. You know what I mean? Wow.
Yeah. I was psycho as a kid.
And how like. In a good way.
Well, how do you manage that? Because to your point, when you are playing with the audience, there's going to be people that are your diehards. There are people that are going to love it.
And then that equation only works where there are people who don't love it. Yeah.
And do you take any of that in? Because right now I definitely have more of those. I have more people who are against than are for.
And my thing is like, look, I was put on this earth. I look at it from a couple different ways there's a couple different perspectives that help me and number one i was put on this earth to entertain whether that means people like it or don't like it they are entertained by it it is whether it's a positive or negative it is successful you know what i mean and i i definitely i like that like a lot of people say they don't like karma yet they'll come to to a concert with the makeup on, you know what I mean? They know the dance, they can sing the song.
And so it's like, thanks babe. Thanks for not liking it.
You know what I mean? It's like, okay. But then this, this also gets a little more morbid, but, but in dark, but it's, it actually helps me a lot.
Like I think that like, say Emily, right. Is having Emily's my imaginary friend from when i was a kid so i always use her name she doesn't care is she here with us now oh she's always with me she's always here hey emily we love you can't get her seat olivia no good come on she's like tucked in very rude of us um but yeah so say emily right is bullying suzy at school i don't know if suzy can handle it right i don't know if Susie's going to be able to take that mentally, but...
Susie's not real, too. Susie's not real.
Sorry, I'm trying to keep track of going. Susie's not real, no, fictional people.
Gotcha. But if Emily then all of a sudden is having more fun bullying me on the internet, have at it, girl.
Like, I know I'm okay. And so, you know, in a weird way, I kind of look at it as if, like, I'm saving Susie's life.
You know what I mean? Like, I know I can fall asleep and wake up the next day, but I don't know if Susie can. Wow.
And so if I kind of look at it as if like I'm saving Susie's life you know what I mean like I know I can fall asleep and wake up the next day but I don't know if Susie can and so if I kind of take like I'm down to take the heat off of other people when did you figure that out that helped me about two years ago when I was really going through it and I was like fuck the internet this hurts but it kind of like I was like I know I can handle Some people can't. What was that moment two years ago? Let me be correct on my timeline.
Yeah, it was. Oh my God.
It was two years ago. Wow.
I was going through, I was going through a public breakup and it's valid. It was our choice to make the relationship public.
And so it was also inevitable that the relationship's breakup was also public, you know what I mean? But the full story wasn't out there. And as fun as it was to throw shade from both ends, I'm guilty of it as well.
The real stuff from my end was not out there. What really happened behind closed doors was not out there.
And I did that because I don't need to, right? That doesn't need to be out there. I'm not on this earth to take anyone down.
I'm not on this earth to be the super inspirational, whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm on this earth to entertain and have a good time and make people laugh through an eight second video or a three minute song.
You know what I mean? And so it got to a point where I was like, I don't want the real stuff out there because what happened to me actually hurts. Right.
And I don't, I don't, I don't like it and I don't want it to be public knowledge, but also people don't know what happened and they're destroying me because of what they don't know. And it, I don't know, it really, it really got to me also just like thinking that I could let somebody so into my life and then they could do something so horrid.
It, it really scared me and it put me in a very weird place but then i was like no i can i'm good like i can handle it but some people can't like and i'm i'm gonna wake up tomorrow and i'm i'm fine you know what i mean like i i kind of just live by like an i'm fine mentality like you're fine the world's literally gonna keep on turning you're literally gonna keep on living you're all all is gonna be good this episode of the good guys podcast is brought to you by Built Rewards. PSA for anyone who rents.
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Thank you. I think that's a compliment.
I'll take it. It is a compliment because compliment because i consider myself religious you do consider like in the way that you in the way that you speak about like the the like juxtaposition of you and your audience the way that you speak about the world keeps turning but things are larger than me like you are you a religious person i i mean yeah i grew up i grew up in the church i as i as i got older i just kind of of lost touch a little bit.
Sure. And I think as people do, and I also think the world is just a very different place.
And I also think growing up in Nebraska, you know what I mean? You're surrounded, what do you do on a Sunday? You go to church. But then I think you're a 21-year-old living in LA.
What do you do on a Sunday? That's when you have all your Zoom meetings. what I mean it's like it's definitely it's just a different different world that I live in now but I think that one of the most important things to me is like whatever you believe in you believe in it full heartedly and like I do this I do this thing with my dancers before we go on stage where I grab everyone's hands and we say like we say our little mantras and whatever but then I tell them I say look I don't care what you believe in but you believe in it right now said if it is your rocks and crystals and if it is God and Jesus if it is a Buddha if it is nothing if it is anything if it is Santa Claus you believe in it right now and you ask it for help and you ask it to get you through this performance and have fun and so I think I think for me when it comes to like religion specifically within myself it's it's yeah like i of course have my beliefs but i i also just like i think one of the most important thing is just letting people do their thing yeah i think i think that's the right way to be and i think and i also love like learning about other people's like because religious can mean two things right like religious can sometimes mean like straight up do you believe in god and jesus or just like do you have something that you believe in like and you believe in wholeheartedly and like one of my favorite things is to like learn other people's religions and like learning i had a mormon boyfriend for a time oh what was that like secret pajamas tell? Tell us everything.
Like, I mean, look, we were babies. It was very cute.
It was a very sweet, innocent relationship. He was a very good family friend at the time.
He was my first boyfriend. It was adorable.
Oh, wow. What are we talking? Like, teenager? Like, 16? I was, yeah, I was 17.
We were babies. Like, nothing.
Wow. Yeah.
Love that. Yeah, right? I'm just getting like you know salt lake city vibes right now and i'm here for it it's a little baby i just love it bring him young yeah yeah he was he was he was a sweet sweet boy and it was just it was cute like it was but to learn about what they believe in and to learn about where where they think you go when you die like it was fascinating to me and and same thing with learning about jewish religion and obviously like i have a catholic background and so learning about that growing up and then learning about atheists and then learning about people with rocks and crystals like it's just like it's so fascinating to me and it's like you gotta be careful because it's it's obviously very touchy subject.
But I think if you can have a conversation where you're curious to learn with somebody, it can actually be one of the most beautiful conversations. Like the simple question of like, what do you think happens when we die? Like everyone has a different answer and it's so fascinating.
It's just hysterical. And no one knows, which is what I love the most.
I literally said out loud to my best friend the other day I was like not asking for it to happen can't wait to die can't wait to figure out what happens clip it literally clip it but like no I'm with you it is the biggest secret can't wait to die boom and you know what I'm saying do you have a confetti gun no but like hear me out like i'm so curious like and i don't want to know anytime soon i'm good i don't need to i'm i'm good i'm fine to find that one out in 90 years from now like let me live till 111 that's great but what happens who i heard something recently who's right I heard something recently I don't know happens? Who? I heard something recently. Who's right? I heard something recently.
I don't know who's right, but I heard something recently that like people used to see ghosts a lot. I don't know if you've seen a ghost recently.
I haven't. And they're saying that it's because the afterlife is so good.
And here is so not good that people don't want to come back anymore. I will say, I will say whatever you believe in or whatever you don't there is something and i i would stand my ground on this i recently have had some experiences i did i don't know if i'm allowed to mention this yet but it's already done so if they if they filmed it we filmed it already so though it doesn't really matter that much but i did an episode of tyler henry and i i got

started to the pod there you go and he i mean he sat down he we brought objects for we were trying to connect to my grandma on my mom's side and we brought one object to my grandpa my dad's side and he immediately grabbed that object and he picked it up and he started scribbling and he said said, does the name Joan or Mary mean anything to you? And we just started instantly crying because it wasn't like, oh, I'm getting an older man or oh, I'm getting Joan is my grandma who's still left on Earth. That was the first thing he said.
And Mary is my grandpa's younger brother who also passed away wife who's still on Earth. And it was like my grandpa and his brother were like, hey, we want to say hi to Joan and Mary, like clock it.
There we go. Boom, bam earth and it was like my grandpa and his brother were like hey we want to say hi to joe and mary like clock it there we go boom bam and it was like it was literally like he there's no way he would have known those names there's no way he even was like i'm getting a j name like yeah sure my mom's name's jess i'm jojo my brother's jayden sure there's probably another j name in our family right it was like it was so spot on it was so clarifying and then even just recently i had i have a very good friend who whose best friend passed away and it was his 32nd birthday and i was like i'm gonna go get it was the friend who passed away birthday and i was like i'm gonna go get candles to you know give you a little surprise and but it was all a surprise so i didn't tell them so anyways i'm going to the store and i'm in the store and i walked down the aisle and i never met this friend who passed away and i'm in the aisle like we have this joke that like that friend like literally brought us together and and all of a sudden i'm in the aisle and the the i need candles let's say three and two and the row of candles literally goes one four five six seven eight nine zero it's like really the three and the two are what's missing wow really yeah like there's no and I literally said out loud I was like good one I was like good one I see you in here with me you're testing me right now this is good like this is a good one like I've I've definitely had some like there's for sure an afterlife sort of experiences and I'm selfishly so excited to mess with people like be.
Y'all will be pranked boots like everybody in my life.

I love it.

I will not.

If there's an afterlife, I don't want nothing to do with this world anymore.

I am going to be so busy.

For me, an afterlife is like everyone has just Ozempic already injected.

Perfect.

Right?

There's a resting Ozempic and it's just access to like five course meals and you get to talk to whomever you want. Unlimited cows.
There's a great Yiddish word, as I'm sure you know Jojo, it's called kibitz. And it's just a schmooze.
It's just a fun little, what we're doing now, we're kibitzing. We're kibitzing.
It's a non-stop kibitz. Say it again, kibitz.
Kibitz. I love it.
Very good. That sounds so good.
It sounds like dog food. You know, my Cocker Spaniel eats kibitz.
But I think kibitzing and being thin is my dream. We all have one.
I'm happy that that's yours. Period.
Period. Full stop.
In Australia, they call a period a full stop full stop that doesn't mean it's full stop yeah oh my god you put a full stop at the end of that my son who's two goes gnar gnar keep him Australian gnar I think because he watches a lot of Bluey for sure yes for sure gnar. That's interesting.
Bluey is going to have such a-

Yeah.

Yeah.

Peppa Pig.

Yeah.

Thank God.

God bless them.

Their accents are the best.

I'm always fascinated with someone, you know, because we both came out of Nickelodeon, obviously.

Both of our cheeky little smirks at each other right now.

We're like-

I'm sorry.

I'm sure without cameras- We need a handshake. We could have a conversation.
Oh my God. We're like, I'm sorry.
I'm sure without cameras in the room,

we need a handshake.

We could have a conversation.

Oh my God.

And we can't do it here.

Nope, we can't.

Yeah.

You could.

You could.

If we never want to see life again,

if we want that death ticket.

I know.

By the way, the afterlife is great.

Why not?

We're going to go find our Unlimited

or Zen Peck path right now.

Could you imagine yourself as like a telepreacher? You could have a megachurch. I was thinking the same thing.
When I said that you sounded religious again in a good way, because I'm religious and I think it's a great thing to believe in something, whatever it is. I was thinking rock star megachurch, writing some church songs and making it the church of Jojo Siwa.
Yeah, Reverend Siwa, Minister Jojo. Like.
I love it. I like that.
What's up, heaven? Yeah. Get ready for a special guest of the night.
Please welcome the man himself, Jesus Christ. That would be incredible.
I'll play Jesus.

He was Jewish. Sick.

Yeah, shout out my apostles.

Judas, my lady. I got starts playing.

Yes.

Big gay church? That's what you call it.

Big gay church. Big gay church.
I love it.

BGC. BGC.

Are you in?

You in? I'm in.

I'm all in.

I'm in.

I've already been in.

The internet's been saying I've been in for years.

Kill it.

And this is where I come out.

No.

Thank God.

Welcome.

It's so good to be here.

Speaking of that, Love Life, you said is great.

Yeah.

Want to talk more?

Talk less about it?

We don't have to?

No.

I'm honestly just so content. Yes.
I think it's such a good word and i'm so patient right now which is very rare for me so i'm very happy to be so content and so curious i think is another good word just curious content happy just like meeting cool people yeah just just interesting just like i feel like i'm frolicking just like I feel so angelic and just like frolicking through and like with with how hard you work is is there room for a missus it's interesting because actually yeah like there is a because because also too i'm in charge of myself so thank god i'm super self-disciplined but like yeah i honestly have a lot of time that I can dedicate to my personal life because my career is so much, but I know how to do it like no other. Someone once told me it's really hard work, but we're really good at it.
And it's like, it's so true. And did you say before, like, what if you met someone who was like, I love you, but I also love being a paralegal.
Sorry. I love being a pharmacy tech at CVS.
And I can't go on tour with you because it's Z-Pack season. Yeah, actually, I had a best friend who I definitely had feelings for.
She had feelings for me. It was very mutual.
We had a conversation. And she is very hard because I felt very hard for this person.
And we, and now like, I'm no offense, I'm super happy it didn't work out because I'm in a way better spot now. But at the time it was really hard and crushed me because she was very honest with me.
Like, look, yes, I have feelings for you. Yes.
I might even be in love with you, but I can't do your life. And it crushed me because I was like, fuck.
Like, it almost got me thinking like, if she can't, no one can. And, but then I, I, I realized like, look, life is going to life.
The world's going to do what the world's going to do. And yeah, it's a, it's a very real thing.
And dating me, there's a lot that comes with it you know there's there's the part where it's like you're you're dating a the me that everybody sees but then b you're getting the part of me that nobody gets to see but then c you have to deal with the people that think you're dating the person they know but you also have to convince yourself that you know another side but not everybody gets to know that so it's very trippy it's like like you you talked about how you in your past relationship from a few years ago like you chose to be public yeah and so you know you took on whatever that sort of added element was but being as as well known and famous as you are and prolific right is there any version where you could have a private relationship you would think you would think but the paparazzi will always get you and that's that's a conversation that i have very early on right and it's it's look listen we can keep this as private as we can however the second we are outside of a hotel room, outside of, honestly, even inside a car is hard. So I would say that outside a hotel room or outside a house, like if you hold my hand, if you put your hand on my leg, if you look at me a certain way, not only paparazzi, but there's just going to be people everywhere videoing and it's going to get out and the world moves quick.
And so it's just kind of a thing to be aware of with people in my life. And I always say, look, I'm used to having a very public life.
I'm used to everything being aired out, everything being out there and it doesn't get to me. But on this, I'll follow your lead because if something gets out, I want you to be a part of it getting out.
But I also want you to know like this will happen. And it's, it's tough.
It's tough because it's like you might just be first getting to know somebody and then all of a sudden it's out there everywhere. You know what I mean? Or you might just be out with a friend having a good time and people might be like, oh my God, new love.
You know what I mean?'s definitely it's definitely hard but I I'm very lucky that most people that I have been in a relationship with have actually like had beautiful souls of course I've had a couple of fouls but you know you have to have you have to have the bad to have the good and I think that I've definitely rounded a corner which I'm very happy about and I don't think all i don't think i want to ever exploit a relationship like that's not for me anymore that was for me two years ago and that was crazy but i think i think private not secret is my vibe now love that love it me too it's intense it's so intense and those are very tough conversations to have with somebody like it's how you talk about that? And it's like I also hate talking about myself as if I'm famous, especially when it's like with a partner. But it's like kind of have to in a weird way.
It's it's they're not easy conversations to have. But with the right person, they are very worth it to have.
I mean, you're talking to two guys that have been married forever with their spouses, like found the loves of their lives are very happy and lucky. And like the way that you're saying it, you're going about it the right way and you'll find the right person.
It's definitely like a, you gotta, you gotta weed out the bad to find the good. But I think, I think that approaching it the way that you are is the only way you can do it.
And like if somebody, and if somebody doesn't appreciate the whole you, then they're the wrong. They're the wrong person.
Thank you. Yeah.
What in those moments? Like for me, that's my joke. I'm like, you get two of me and you have to like them both.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You get to it.
You get to a Josh, too. He has multiple personality disorder.
Yes. I got my own Emily over here.
Yeah. I'm literally like, hopefully you're in to fucking monogamy or poly because there's literally four of me would you be down for poly no solid no but you'll see josh on the street kibitzing with himself literally but somebody else's there's literally three of me that i can give you so like be my guest totally yeah Totally.
Yeah. One shell, three people.
I'm not pro poly either. I don't see it for myself.
It's definitely for others. And I can see where it is for others.
And respect. Respect.
And respect to their journey. Definitely too jealous of a person.
Yeah, dog. Yeah.
No. No way.
But I will say poly and monogamy have a difference. And that's actually a fascinating difference difference to learn about and i think that like i don't know i i think for me it's very important that like the love and the commitment is one-to-one i think that to me and like i don't know i'm just i'm very i'm very that's for me right like that's.
But then monogamy versus non-monogamy, it's something I'm a little more loose on. Like it's just kind of like, I'm not into it.
I don't want to, but learning about it, I'm like, it's kind of cool that you can kind of experience whatever you want to experience, but you always end up coming back home. Like I don't.
Like go out, have a romantic interlude. Like do your big one, but big one but then like come home to me like that you think you could be okay with someone you were dating doing that yeah wow good for you yeah it's it's definitely a hot take for sure but i think the thing that's important to me is that like loving commitment and i think because i'm a lesbian that's way more emotional than it is physical.
And yeah, I don't know. I just think.
I think with the right person, anything can kind of. Be right.
You know what I mean? As long as my wife didn't hook up with anyone from the Disney Channel. All good.
All good. No, like enemies.
But other than that. All good.
If it's a Nick kid, fine. I'm not going than that all good if it's a nick kid fine

what would you do if you found out your wife hooked up with a co-star i mean that's oh my god oh my god let me think about some of my co-stars recently with helen with Helen

with Miranda

yeah

Paige and Miranda

that'd be great

what would you do

if Paige came to you and she was like, hey, like, I've been having gay thoughts about Miranda. Oh, my God.
First of all, clip it. Secondly, it'd be too.
Miranda's like my sister but she's beautiful she's a beautiful person she's

hot we've literally grown up together I know that part I could not handle at all I don't want to hear from my wife I don't want to hear from little pump shout out little pump you could probably beat me up but I don't like to hear anybody making passes at my Miranda like I just wanted to find What's your age gap?

Seven, eight years.

Okay.

I think maybe she's 31, seven. But I was 14.
She was eight when she started on the show. Wow.
So I just feel very protective. Yeah.
I thought you were a little older. I started on an Amanda show when I was 13.
Wow. Yeah.
Wait, I like this game. What if Paige really wanted to have a romantic encounter with Crazy Steve? That I'm here for.
He is a tall drink of water. That I get.
I cannot give her that. How old were you when Drake and Josh ended? 19.
Damn. Yeah.
That's crazy. And we only made 60 episodes, but because there's no residuals they can rerun it forever and i think that's why people feel like it's just like we did 200 yeah because they've just seen it so much that's wild it's wild it was a time wild y'all were always on my house.
Too good to me. It's crazy because like that's something that's so surreal to me now growing up and like having friends like you, having friends like Raven.
I could never call myself friends with Miley, but I met Miley. I watched a rehearsal of hers.
I've talked to her. She's incredible.
Like that's actually Miranda was one of the first people too that came up to me and was like oh my god you're Jojo Siwa I love you like she was one of those first people she's the best the best sweetest angel but like growing up watching y'all create like literally my childhood and then like now being older and like like there's like eight-year-old me is like what the like literal what the fuck like hello like it's like it's so surreal it's really cool I think that all the time when I'm with Raven I'm like you're literally my best friend but also like I remember waking up scared cause like I saw your eye in the middle of the night on my TV like hello like yeah Raven is the greatest yeah we love them yeah when you get Raven with like a drink and a half in her. Fucking best.
No one can shit talk like Raven Simone. I love Raven.
She is the greatest ever. Like just hilarious.
I remember once we grew up in, we lived in a similar apartment complex in North Hollywood when we were kids. And we went out for sushi one day and she was like, have you ever had fried matcha tea ice cream? Tempura matcha tea ice cream? Guaranteed she has.
And I was like, no, I haven't, Raven. She's like, let me turn you on to something that's going to change your life.
And we just shared a tempura ice cream. Oh, was it good? It was a game changer.
It was so. One thing about Raven is Raven will never tell a lie.
Oh, God, love her. Yeah.
Is there ever things that you see of like the next gen of like kid stars where you're just like, be careful. Like as far as just getting too hyped on themselves or any of those pitfalls? Yeah, all the time.
I also like because I think a lot a lot of kid stars now are coming from social media right and so it's like what's that gonna look like in 10 years we don't know but even just working closely with kids like i have a lot of friends that are have kids or a lot of friends that are our kids just because over the years we've worked together and they're great and they're fun and whatever um and like there's kids like a little girl named Everly, two twins, Tatum and Oakley. And I don't know Halston as well, but I knew Tatum and Oakley very well.
There's a little boy named Titus and all of all of those kids. It's like anytime I've worked with them, I've been like, yes, like you got it.
Like you, you, you are, you are not only so entertaining and so likable,

but you also have it.

Like whatever said it is,

whether that be the passion behind it,

whether that be the supportive family,

like whatever the concoction is to make it work,

you have it.

And then I've been around some other kids where I'm like,

stop working immediately.

Go to school.

Like find a firefighter Academy, like anything but this and get out that's a very hard thing because like you can't tell the parent that right you can't you can't but you just have to trust that like the world is gonna world and like the kid will find the right path and I always make it very clear to any kid that I ever work with like look if you ever need a helping need a helping hand out, I got you. You know what I mean? Like if you ever need, because I think that's one thing.
And I didn't want the out, but I think I didn't really realize that when I turned 18, I could have said, I'm done. I want to go be a nurse.
You know what I mean? I could have if I wanted to. And like, I didn't understand that I could have.
I didn't want to. I don't want to.
I couldn't identify more with what you're saying. Yeah.
It's like now that you're older, you're like, oh my God, I literally could have I didn't want to I don't want to I couldn't identify more with what you're saying yeah it's like now that you're older you're like oh my god I literally could have 100% but in the in the moment you're like no I can't I have to keep going like but I and no need to answer if you don't want to also like I supported my family yeah so if I at 18 said you know bye mom then she and she was, she was in her 60s. She would have had to figure out.
How to live again. Yeah.
And it's, it's tough. Cause it's like, I think when you're in that position, you can't see that that decision would be okay.
That's right. Right.
But when you're out of that position, you can look in hindsight and be like, okay, no, like we could have had money to live off of while everyone found a job and like maybe wouldn't have been living lavish with the millions, but like we would have been able to put food on the table if you would have gone to work, you know what I mean? Or if you would have figured it out or even going to investments or remote work or there's options, right? But I think that when you're so in it, you don't see that. And so that's why like one of those conversations that, and I haven't had to have them yet with the kids because they're very young yet.
I mean, Everly's 10, Titus is maybe nine, Tatum Ogilvy are eight, like they're all really little. But when they are 15, 16, 17, like I will make sure that I have those conversations with them being like, look, in your position that you are in right now, you can leave it in your childhood.
And like, it was also your parents' choice to quit their life for you. And so now it's going to have to be your choice to decide if they have to go back to that.
In hindsight, like for you, right? 13 years, right? You were 13 years old. Yeah.
In hindsight, it was five years essentially that their life was dedicated to you you know what i mean it can correct me if i'm wrong on that but like they made their living before then they can go back to it after then but in it you don't see that you don't see that at all like i didn't see that my mom could have gone back to being a dance teacher my dad could have gone back to being a chiropractor and like all good and then people in a good way will move on from you yes like that's what i didn't see either i thought like i was like like i realized like if i would have just turned 18 and like gone away and like literally stopped and left it in my childhood people would have people wouldn't bug me in target you know what i mean and it's like right you think like oh that'll never happen but like no it will but where i'm lucky is like i want it like i want to keep going like it's my passion it's what i love to do but i think that it's important for the people to know if it's not your passion you can literally leave it i also sometimes when people ask because they always love to ask that question you know especially because i have kids like would you want them to get into the business yeah and i always say you know i think if they enjoy performing they should go to every acting class and do every school play and do it you know i'll support their passion no matter what yeah but the difference between starting at 13 and at even 17 is four years but if you start at 17 you're not a kid actor right you're just basically a grown-up yeah and people won't look

at you with that moniker yeah which can be a little bit of like a blessing and a curse yeah it's it's interesting it's like i think any any life path has its pros and has its cons right you look at some child stars look that when they started as a baby right some child stars raven is a great example. Raven started

fucking six months old.

Like, baby. she doesn't know anything else.
And then you look at some that started, I mean, I started when I was nine, you started when you were 13 and there are some that start when they're, you know what I mean? Like it's somewhat like artist-wise, like Chapel Rhone, right? Yeah. She started making music 10 years ago.
She was,gan actually is a better example because i can talk highly of megan trainer and i'm knowledgeable in megan trainer's world like all about that bass came out when megan trainer was 19 like that's when she rose to fame you know what i mean and so it's it's like interesting like what age makes a difference and i think for me honestly fame is so much easier because i was a child star and like I kind of grew slowly I think if I actually in my case if I had a whole life before just say karma came out I'd be like what the fuck is this I can't handle people being mean to me I can't handle this why is everyone looking at me why are people wearing my makeup like but because people wore my bows it makes sense why people wear my makeup you know what i mean like it all and like my friend my friend tyler cameron who's like literally my family he always says like you because he grew to fame when he was mid-20s and he had a full normal life before then and he's like you navigate being a 21 year old really well publicly like these are your years where you're supposed to be a train wreck

and like you actually handle it really well.

And so like, it's kind of interesting.

Tyler's the best.

Y'all know Tyler?

We do.

We're really close with him.

That's our connection.

Tyler's the best.

He's literally the best.

I'm literally sitting here.

I just want you guys to know

listening to the best podcast ever.

Like that last 10 minutes,

I was just like in the audience

and like listening to the inside baseball

All right. sitting here I just want you guys to know listening to the best podcast ever like that last 10 minutes I was just like in the audience and like listening to the inside baseball like sometimes it doesn't translate like we've had guests where it doesn't like that was that was awesome and like it's just like it's just such like a unique perspective like you don't realize that you can get out and like as people that aren't stars, like we decide what we want to be when we're 18.
That's another interesting thing. Or really when we're 22, like if you go to school, you have so much time to figure it out.
But there is a benefit of being thrusted into something also. Like you sort of had, if you can see it that way, you had an opportunity to have a career before anybody even started thinking about having a career and trying things.
And I'm also like specifically to me and not to talk about me, me, me, me, but I'm a very unique case. Like I, the more you get to know me, the more you're like, yo, your brain's being studied when you kick the can.
Like, cause what is different in there? Like it's, and it's something that I don't try to like prove to people that my brain's different but it does work in very different ways like even back in the day when I I did go to school like I I used to like buy this started when I was in like sixth grade I would I would buy sixth grade right it was an online program and I would click the first math lesson and I would like scan the lesson be like okay I'll it out. And I'd go to the questions and I'd get a hundred percent.
So then I'd jump and I'd do like the sixth lesson. I'd go from one to six and then I would just go straight to the questions and I would know how to do it.
And then I would be like, all right, well, I'm just going to try to take the end of the year test and like see if I can pass. And I would know how to do it all.
Like it was like, it was very strange. So then I would buy seventh grade and then eighth grade grade and then that's how I graduated so early as I just kind of like breezed through through it all which is like crazy like I I definitely though now like knowing people and like having a girlfriend at the time who was in high school when I should have been in high school but I was already graduated she she did this math problem and she was like answer this and she tried to make a really hard Albert Einstein problem did it.
And she was like, how'd you get that answer? And I was like, well, I just did. Like, I don't know.
And she was like, well, show me your work. And I was like, I mean, no.
And she was like, well, that's what you have to do. And I was like, okay, well, fine.
Okay. So I showed her how I did it.
And she was like, I've never seen someone solve a math problem like that. And I was like, but did I get the answer? She was like, yeah.
And I was like, great. Can we move on with our life? And she was like, yeah.
Like, it was like, it was a very strange conversation. And that's kind of like my work mentality too.
Like, it's very different, but in like a, I guess a good sort of way. Can you imagine Jojo in a remake of Goodwill hunting? Oh, I love it.
At the chalkboard doing the equations. No, you're right.
I'm optioning it right now. I'm a producer.
Don't boot me from being a producer, Jojo. I mean, look, it was your idea, so I can't take it from you.
We all heard it here. Okay, so our final segment is called What Are You Nuts? Ben and I will start.
We'll give you time to think. Our What Are You Nuts moment of the week are gripes with people, places, and things.
Things big or small, whatever's sticking in whatever sticking in your craw anything dumb huge or anything in the middle that's just like what are you nuts like it just make usually usually funny like they're light-hearted you can take it wherever you want we'll give you an example what are you nuts yeah so like something in life that makes you want to say what are you nuts you're walking down the street nuts like yeah exactly are you a psychopath okay yeah sure yes so straight people okay good finally someone said it okay give me your examples and then i'll think okay so i'll go first so i was in an uber recently and the guy was just drenched in cologne. And I'm sure you've gotten into a car like this before where the driver is wearing so much cologne.
And it got me thinking to myself, like, why are you wearing cologne? Are you trying to make out with me? Like, are you trying to make a pass at me, the passenger? Because otherwise I don't understand why you're wearing cologne. Is it like, what is the purpose? Like you're, you're, I can't breathe back here.
And like the purpose of cologne is to like send a signal to somebody. So I don't get it.
What are you nuts? Stop wearing the cologne. If you need to, you can take a shower.
That's totally up to you. But dousing yourself in cologne is not good for me.
It's not good for you. It's not.
Are you nuts? It's a, it's a confined space. I don't need to choke on your cologneologne my what are you nuts moment of the week is me what are you nuts and when i am nuts it's always good i and i mean to brag i have a membership to sky zone trampoline park for me and my son i'm doing well i don't want to talk about it and so we go there and of course we have our own socks with the stickies on the bottom.
Absolutely. We're regulars.
And so we forgot them. So we went and I said, what kind of price gouging are these people going to do now? I said, this is where they make their money.
Oh, God. And I say, yes, I'm going to need two sets of socks for my son and i and they go oh no problem those will be 18 okay maybe 14 i'm not sure 18 sounded better each or no for two pairs okay but these are like throw away like you know you can't use them right you can't reuse it's not that bad like you're either in the mental hospital or you're in sky zone there's no other place to use sticky socks 100 so i'm like this is this is nuts and i was like and so i'm giving a whole dissertation to the woman behind the counter i said you know they really price scouts price scouts.
This is how they get you. And they know you're going to forget.
They know it. So she goes, yeah.
So I buy the socks. And then all of a sudden I hear on the announcement as we're like, you know, playing like trampoline dodgeball.
All socks. All socks revenue is going to the St.
Jude's charity for children. In all of December.
What am I nuts? Sky Zone's an incredible company. I'm an idiot.
Shout out St. Jude's.
Oh, that's good. That's good.
That's good. That's really good.
That's funny. That's really good.
You got one? It can be really minor. Straight people straight people's pretty straight people was a good one it's amazing if you want to elaborate you can't straight people straight sex um okay no actually i do have one i do have one this is to actually the first gay person.
I don't know who you are.

I don't know when you were.

I don't know where you're from,

but I want to know who was the first person

to look at the same sex

and be like,

let's try this.

That's nuts.