That's SO Raven and Miranda

The following podcast is a jean with stretch. A pant with stretch.
I haven't bought a jean without stretch ever. You know what? I'm proud of you, sir.
It's just like, I don't even know why we make them without stretch. Like sometimes you'll accidentally buy a pair of jeans that you think are the jeans that you normally get that are stretchy.
And then you go to put them on and you're like, these are going to rip right at the thighs. Those are masochists.
Yeah. Purely.
Have you ever had the experience of having your jeans put in the dryer and then you go to put them on and they are tight and they have maybe like shrunk a size and then you're- You have to lay down. Yes.
And then you're just like, what the hell? You feel bad about yourself the whole rest of the day because you're like, I don't fit into these jeans and they're stiff. It's like nothing.
That is the year 2005 for me.

The whole entire year.

The entire year?

Yes.

Wow.

Every day.

Every day.

Every day.

Bad jean dryer lifestyle.

Oof, babes.

How many different size jeans do you guys have currently in your house?

I have four.

I have from a 34 to a 40.

His closet looks like a Bloomingdale's. Hilarious.
It looks like a DXL. Oh my God.
I actually stopped buying any types of pairs of jeans. I threw them all away and I only buy JNCO jeans now.
Wow. I went back to where it all started.
Trendy. And it's just the right fit.
And they stay. I have like two waist sizes, period time and non-period time.
Oh, sorry, you guys. Which you guys can totally relate to.
Yeah. For me, when it comes to jean sizes, it only ranges based off of the cut of denim.
So it's like or the cut of jeans. They're not of denim.
But there are some denims that are more stiff and then they will be a high waist and therefore I'll need to like size down or there's a pant that's a little bit more baggy. So there I'd have to like adjust.
You know what I mean? It's just like, sure. I don't really know what my range is.
But what for guys, right? Like, do you guys have that problem? Like the hip to thigh ratio moment or is it just like crotch to leg moment? No, I have an athletic leg. And I have to lead with that.
Because I have a skinny mini waist. Yeah.
Skinny mini 33. Just tiny.
Right in the middle. But when you see these sycamores that come in.
Yes. These things.
I mean, are we in the redwoods? Do we need to have a wildfire warning and so yeah i need a special i need a special pant ben it's the best part about being formerly morbidly obese is like coming out of it just with thighs from that are so fucking strong like i too like my number one feature is my thigh yeah like you put me in a I can deadlift do I work out? no but I can do it because I deadlifted for fucking 30 years there you go just walking yeah because I can do I can do like a zillion squats now my thighs are fantastic I'm very strong because we had a lot of weight on I had a lot of weight on on me. Funny.
Indrid. Is it? It's a blessing.
It is. I love it.
I wouldn't have it any other way. Have we ever had, and I don't know if we're getting too personal too quick, but I'm going there.
I'm being vulnerable. Let's do it.
Have you ever had the thighs rubbing? Chafing. A chafe.
Yes. Not only do they chafe, but they change color because of my melanin and because of the, it sometimes will discolorate.
So like the higher you go in my thigh area, the darker it gets. Yes.
I like to call it my permanent tan. So whatever.
Oh. And is this a gold bond moment or am I just speaking for myself? Baby powder.
Yeah. A little, yeah.
Just a nice medicated powder. Yeah.
It depends on how bad it is. Sometimes you can go like a thick salve.
You can go with a cream if it's really been rubbing too long. Like sometimes I'll forget how big my thighs are and I'll just walk around in a wet bathing suit and I'll get home and I'll need to go to the ER.
Like this is like. It's real.
It's real. It's a little red down there.
Chub rub is real. See, females, we have to be careful.
We can't put powder on our thighs, right? We have to stick with the oils and the salves. It can be dangerous.
You used to baby powder the hell out of yourself. And then I learned that that was bad.
Because what I loved is Raven would like be in her bathroom doing her thing. And I would see a foot trail that was left from like the bathroom into the bedroom to her underwear drawer back around I could trace every single one of her steps because she left baby powder all over her feet that's cute that's like a game oh but it was but not for me Josh where I was like trying first of all I was like what ghost is in this house number one and number two then I had to like swiffer everything it was crazy it's my favorite oh my god it was ridiculous but chafing is no joke that is very uncomfortable where do you chafe well i know i actually do have that problem because it's not just about size it's also like if you're built a certain way and so my my thighs touch like i don't have a thigh gap so i don't even think like no matter how skinny i could baby be.
You're an ally. You're an ally.
Yeah, I'm an ally. We'll leave it at that.
How fucking sick is a thigh gap though, Josh? Like, yeah, badly. I want a thigh gap.
Yeah. Weird.
I'd look like a man with a gap. Okay.
What's a piece of clothing that you can't wear? Like, for me, I can't wear anything that, like, you know where guys will wear, like, kind of, like, a sheer, not sheer, but, like, almost like a knit, something tight, like a merino wool. Yeah, yeah.
Like, I think kind of one of those, like, tighter, thins. The thinner the material, the thicker the material kind of hides camouflage.
But if it's, like, something thin around, like, I just look like a sack of potatoes. I can't with you right now.
I look like a pear. Pears are juicy, boo.
Pears are juicy. A good pear.
So good. But a good pear, though.
My wife, one of the reasons I fell in love with her, she used to poach pears for me at night. And bake them for me with some peanut butter.
Oh, my God. Stop.
That is delicious. Yeah, they're super.
And then two Christmases ago, I poached pears in wine, in red wine. When I was doing that for her for dessert, I wasn't doing it with wine, but I did it for the holidays with wine.
My mom felt a lot. Okay.
Back to your question. I'm so sorry.
What clothing can we not wear? And then I want to know, Miranda, do you do a lot of cooking? But we can go to that afterwards. We go back to your question.
Do you see me? Don't don't put that on that on Ricky Bobby clothing. You can't wear

baby. No, baby first.
I mean, this is longer. Yeah, I'm very material specific.
So there's a

lot of clothing I stay away from because I don't like high necks like a turtleneck. I don't like

I don't want to wear anything that's too tight or kind of restrictive. I don't like itchy wools, kind of like what you were saying.
She also has like really a very long waist. So back when we had a stylist, you would buy pants and sometimes the pants just didn't fit right.
I look, I have a really long, I have like a seventies body. Yeah.
I feel like I literally look like a woman from the 70s all the time. So if you put certain things on me, and this is really interesting, you guys, because something about my proportions, like skirt length is very weird on me.
So a lot of times I give like Hasidic Jew in a skirt, like when I, when the skirt is supposed to. Thank God.
When like the is supposed to be. That's a fantasy of mine.
I mean, look. You're in Crown Heights.
You make eyes with Dvorah across the kosher market aisle. You know, she's ready.
Shalom. Shalom.
Yeah. Hello, Rivka.
Exactly. She's coming in hot.
That should be my alter ego. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Rivka, let's go.
Let's do it. But it'll just like the look that the person is like trying to achieve on me is like this like sexy.
And they're like, why isn't this working? And I'm like, it's my torso. I don't know what to tell you.
It's my torso. So there's quite a lot I can't wear.
We all have something. Mine is very politically incorrect.
The wife beater. Ah.
I, when I was younger and my early am I gay day can you not wear that I can't wear wife beaters because what happens is my boobs take up a lot of the real estate and then the tummy takes up the rest of the real estate so then it just becomes a baby T with like no sleeves it's just arms and titties it's um it's not okay parts of this country, you'd be thriving. You know what? You know what? Yeah.
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Ben, did you mention, did your boobs come up in the press last week?

Oh, yeah.

I was talking about titties.

They're there.

You can see them.

I don't know.

It circulates.

I think maybe it was a recent,

there was maybe a recent TikTok,

maybe something that the only reason people watch

That's So Raven was because of your breasts.

That was perhaps what was seen. My breasts.
Her breasteses. My breasteses.
They're called titties, okay? I love that. I've never had them.
What's it like? My baby has a nice little couple. I'm happy.
I'm happy too. So, yeah.
I mean, listen. I looked at some of the Nielsen ratings when it came to that.
So there were a lot of guys watching and Disney's just not known for bringing guys to the yard. And so I just, you know, I know what they were looking at.
But they also, it was so funny. I was, I think I was in Atlanta.
I was walking down the street and this guy come up to me. He's like, I love you.
And I just want you to know you're incorrect. And I stopped.
And he goes, that's not the only reason I watched you. You don't probably know this because Raven isn't one who like stays up on social media, but that became a big thing.
And a lot of people were actually saying, Raven, we never watched the show for your titties. We watched the show because we loved you and we loved your comedy and don't kind of sell yourself short.
Agreed. Oh, that's kind.
That was me. And then a lot of people were also like we were young boys.
I'm a Chris Massey guy, so I don't know why you guys immediately. Immediately, yes.
That's funny. Oh, that's good to know.
Well, thank you, social media, for standing up and proving me wrong-ish. Yeah, yes.
Well, the article of clothing that I can't wear is anything that's tight around the hips. I do my best to hike my underwear over.
Josh does the same. I won't put him on the spot.
But we hike our underwear just a little bit higher than norm to kind of like cover the handle. I literally just did that.
Oh, yeah. It's the only way to be.
But so if you wear a sweater that's a little bit too tight and then all of a sudden you see just like the underwear. I don't want anybody seeing my underwear through my sweater.
Yeah. Right? So it needs to be a little bit boxier.
Or black. Always.
I can wear anything in black. I really can't wear colors.
I can't wear pink. Black.
I like black. I do too.
At the age where I don't, I'm in full acceptance. I just have a healthy curiosity about like being the kind of guy that could whip their shirts off and do no adjusting.
How does that feel? How does that feel? I don't know. You haven't practiced it yet? Not me.
I can't. You have to practice it.
Why? You can. You're huge and beautiful.
Like I don't even know what you're talking about. I know, but I still got, you know, when you're as heavy as I was, you got a little skin here and there.
You got some like random scarring shout out. Yeah.
But like, you know what I mean? And so I notice when people like, and when I do take off my shirt, it's people are never like, whoa, but they are like, huh? Not the smile. Yeah.
I think we just care. We just care a little bit too much.
Like all you got to do is go to a spa or a steam room and watch these 75 year olds just

like go full dick and walk around.

And you're like, why am I?

What the hell am I worried about?

Yeah, they don't care about me.

I don't care about them.

The problem is that I do care too much.

We were living in a neighborhood that was, let's just say no celebrity buses were looking

for us in that neighborhood.

Right. Fair.
So one morning I woke up, I put on some spandex booty shorts, a wife beater, and my arms were exposed. My legs were exposed.
My wife was like, what are you doing? And I'm like, trauma therapy, babes. She was like, exposure therapy.
Exposure therapy. I am working to be comfortable with myself by showing my arms and my legs.

Because if you notice, a lot of my stuff, like back in the day when I was like uber girlish,

I'd show my legs because I'd have to in dresses.

But like, I don't do that anymore.

So I was really trying to work on it.

And it's a muscle to get yourself used to taking your shirt off.

I dare you, Josh, for one week, randomly throughout the day, in your car, at your house, in your backyard. Do it now.
Now. Take your shirt off.
Take your shirt off and then put it back on. Just for one week, Josh, do not wear a shirt.
Okay. Anywhere you go.
Just don't do it. I'm more comfortable being bottom naked and just walking like full Winnie the Pooh.
You know what I'm saying? Not Winnie the Pooh. That's good for you.
I'll go full Donald Duck. I don't care.
Like my bottom half is fine. It's the top I'm a little insecure about.
But when you say like, did you feel that pressure? You said when you were younger to be more in quotes girlish. Yeah, most definitely.
Especially, I mean, even today I kind of feel that pressure, but I don't give into it. I feel like definitely when, you know, I was on TV at that time, my counterparts, everyone had the cutest outfit on and things of that nature.
And, you know, the way I present myself now probably not have been accepted as much as it is now, thanks to the new generation and all of the people standing up for what's right and being comfortable and authentic. But yeah, back then, most definitely.
And if I did it, I did it full out all the way through and through. Honey, you couldn't tell me anything.
I tipped, I walked, I had the sashay. Then I would come home and I would put on a whole pro club hoodie, take off my makeup off and chill on the couch with my legs open.
And even the guy that I was dating was like, what's wrong with you? I'm me some food you know what i mean i'll sit on the couch i brought the rub my belly exactly bring me a beer i made the money go sit down you know what i mean so it's the dichotomy of it all be more like miranda would you no miranda don't take it she don't she don't do that she's like a beer here's's some filtered water. And rub my feet anytime, baby.
Anytime. And you're like, yes.
Exactly. Exactly.
I want to talk about this beautiful love affair that you two have. Because, Ben, in case you don't know the backstory, I've known Raven since we were teenagers growing up in the beautiful San Fernando Valley.
Heard of it. And then in the last 10 years, Miranda and I became friends and my wife, Paige, and we were hanging out.
And Miranda would mention that she had dated Raven and it was kind of the one that got away. And now to have seen them reconnect and have this beautiful love, tell us.
Oh, babes, tell us. Tell us.
Well, I always knew that Raven was my person. I truly just like after meeting her in 2015, I was like, she's my person.
That's it. So we dated.
We moved to New York. She did The View.
I was in love. I was like, this is incredible.
We broke up. I was heartbroken.
And I moved back to L.A. from New York.
And that's, I think, when our paths crossed. And I was, yeah, like blabbering and blabbering about Raven and trying to like get my life back together.
I was dating somebody else. And it was just kind of, I don't know, it was really interesting because as somebody who's always had issues with trusting herself, I was so certain about Raven.
And it was just like, it was clear, like there were no questions. Like every part of my body knew that I was meant to be with this person.
And I had these visions of like finding out that she was getting married to somebody else and crashing the wedding and stopping it and being like, no, you're making the worst mistake. And then during COVID, we reconnected and very quickly we're like, this is it.
And we're getting married. So we'd reconnected in April and we got married in June.
And now it's almost been five years of being married. Wow.
Beautiful. Round of applause for that.
Come on. And also just like a round of applause for the way that you talk about Raven.
Like that's lovely like more people should do that more people josh what do you mean just kidding josh talk about raven like that oh my god no don't raven and i were yenting over green tea tempura ice cream if you understood my first interact one of my first interactions with ra, I must have been 16, 17 years old.

I'm mid-weight loss, so I'm at a weird time.

Long sideburns, 260.

And we happen to be at our local sushi haunt.

I see Raven there.

Oh, Sushi Dan.

Sushi Dan.

Sorry, Sushi Dan.

Midori was good, too.

All you can eat.

Yeah, exactly.

So good.

They're like, you know, if you don't clean your plate, you have to pay for it. I'm like, oh, don't you worry.
Don't tell me these things. I think we're going to be okay.
Okay. Big muscles.
Another fucking round. Oh my God.
But yes, and I remember Raven and I were chatting and she looked at me and said, have you ever had green tea tempura fried ice cream? And I said, no. And she was like, sit down.
So funny. And it was a dream.
But I think, you know, Ben and his wife have been together over a decade. Oh, beautiful.
Beautiful baby, Baruch Hashem on the way. BH, yes.
Wouldn't you identify with that? I know I do with that same feeling of like just somehow weirdly, it's like, yeah, this is my person. I don't need to be convinced.
Yeah. No.
And once you found your person, you just go for it. We found each other really early.
Like we started dating. We were 20 and 18.
We got married at 25 and 23. And people are like, that's young.
And it's like, I found my person. Like, what do you want me to do? Dick around for a decade? Like, no, like we found each other.
And like, it's just there's no better feeling than that. But at the same time, once you found your person, it makes you realize imagine being in a like a horrible marriage.
Like, imagine like that life where you're looking across and you're like, oh, I hate this fucking person. Yeah.
Like that must be a nightmare. Yeah.
I can't even imagine. And a lot of people feel that way.
It's terrible. We're very lucky.
We're very lucky that that mentality of marriage definitely happened a lot in past generations and happens now, too. But it's like we're never really taught to me in my head.
I'm kind of, you know, changing the subject a little bit, but we're never really taught how to love correctly because we're all coming from a child space. So I think that with our generation and us, we had a chance to learn ourselves a little bit more than our parents did and their parents did because of social normatives and what we were allowed to learn about ourselves to then find the person that we like.

When you guys hear people say marriage is so hard or, you know, the old ball and chain, that type of thing.

What are your thoughts?

It is.

It is?

I think that I have this idea and I've sort of created it from observing people in recovery. I'll see people, they get sober, they start working on themselves, they get in shape, they're spiritual, they're doing all the things, they're manifesting, blah, blah, blah.
And they're perpetually single. Because once you enter into a relationship, you're leveling up and you're trying out.
I always say like, you don't want to be a Fabergé egg where you're this perfect, beautiful thing, but you get jostled around too much and you shatter. So now you're like actually testing the work and you're seeing yourself like, I could never have known as much as I do about myself without Paige being like, you're not seeing this.
So let me give you this view. So I think that that is relentless growth.
Like that's what's been revealed to me every time in the face of challenge or something's going on with myself or between Paige and I, it's like, well, are you willing to grow a little more and do just a little more work? And on the other side of it, it'll be great, but you got to be willing. I heard someone on a podcast say they were asked if they believed in soulmates and their response was yes and no.
And the no part was, I believe actually that there isn't just one person, that there's three people and there's three different types of love and relationships that people will end up having. And there were two and it was kind of like one is romantic and that gets boring and one is something I can't remember.
And then, you know, you end up walking away from that. But the third is the mirror and the mirror relationship is the relationship that will last you the longest.
And that also allows you everything that you were just saying, Josh, it's that push to grow because you're fully in a place where you have somebody mirroring back to you all of the things that you need to do. And it can feel really hard and really trying and really exhausting at times.
But if you actually settle into it and you accept the challenges that you're being presented with, which really have more to do with you individually than your spouse or anything outside of you, you can become so much better. And then you end up in one of the most fulfilling, special relationships of your entire life because you've co-created this life together, but this like this growth together as well, individually and separate.
To have somebody be able to- Individually and together. Individually and together.
And to have someone who's able to mirror you in a way that actually allows you to grow is so special. Because it is's the difference it's like you can have someone that mirrors you and then you start to you know dip down a little bit and turn into the what you don't want versus having someone mirror you and you turn into a better human that you've always thought you were when you were single and doing all that work and it's like well i agree with you yeah you mentioned ball and chain though before Miranda, that expression I fucking hate.
Me too. Marriage is very hard, but I absolutely despise it when I'm with somebody and they are complaining to me about their spouse in a serious way.
Like you can joke like Josh and I just before were joking about how I have a golf trip this weekend and I told my wife 10 months ago that I had this trip. So now she's totally comfortable that I'm going away.
That's what I do, too. That's what that's what happens.
You have to you have to prep it. Yeah, sure.
And some could call that ball and chain. But no, I love her.
She is my person that's managing expectations. Josh said it's hard work.
It is hard work adjusting and making sure that your significant other is comfortable. Yeah.
But like, don't come to me and like complain that your wife is a huge bitch. Like divorce her if you hate her.
Exactly. Like, I don't need that on me.
Yeah. It's so it's like weird.
Like misery loves company. And like some people try to like get out of you that you're unhappy.
And it's like, no, I'm really I'm really fucking happy. Yeah.
Like, you know, keep it to yourself. This is such a not a tangent, but it's just hear me out.
I was an executive assistant and one of the agents who would constantly call my boss before any meeting he allowed to start. It would be tell me how much you hate your wife.
Tell me how much you hate your wife. And my boss would have to kind of like lean into it.
And I was like, this is horrible. Like, why do guys have

this or not just guys? I'm sure women do as well. But like, why is that kind of like bro code of

bonding? Like, let's talk about how shitty it is at home. And like, I'm like, why don't you

normalize like how great it could be at home? I don't think it's normal. I think they must hate

their wives. Like, it's not normal.
Like, I'm around guys that like their wives and they don't

talk like that. I think it's those people are not also, they weren't ready for marriage.
They're still living in their single brain. I mean, I'm going to be- But these are like grown-ass men.
Yeah. In their like 40s.
Work in the industry. Come on, they're still children.
What? Come on now. Listen.
But I even had to go through this moment in marriage where Miranda was like, you're not single anymore. I'm like, oh, that's right.
That's right. It's like to switch that brain over when you're like perpetually single slash serial monogamous, which was me, but like always thinking, oh, I'm just going to be in a relationship for two or three years and I'm done.
But like with her, I still have the, yeah, I'm doing this. She's like, you're married, bitch.
Oh yeah, we're doing this. And I think that those guys that you're talking about, not only are they toxic and horrible and whatever, but they also just, they're still trying to live the single life and be young and fun and not thinking that if they, you know, really leaned into the fact that if you're with someone, chose to share your life with, you could turn into someone better.
They're not ready for that level up. They just weren't ready.
Yeah. But it's also about a little decorum.
I think we can also acknowledge reality. If I was with Ben and some stunning person walked by, he and I, we're sentient beings with eyes.
We could be like, wow, that's a very good looking person. But I wouldn't be like, those tits.
What am I, from the 40s? No, I'm just playing. Yeah, you would.
No, I wouldn't. Do you know me to be that way? By the way, I would if we're alone.
I don't think... I think that I would...
I don't know if I'd say those titties. This isn't 2005, I'm so Raven.
Is it weird that I do that to my wife? That's what I was going to ask you guys. Like, I literally do that to my wife.
Raven literally was like, I want to fuck. Oh my God, babe! Not on air! Come on, let's go.
Clap it. Clap it.
Yeah, she was literally like, she was like, Oh my God. Is she a pop star or a country star? And I was like, I don't know.
She's like, yeah, me either. But I'm down to fuck.
And I was like, I'm sorry, what? And she was, you can't say that on air. I'm just saying it.
I'm just listening. I would never do it, obviously.
But I want her to know what's in my brain. But I'm asking you two.
Would you tell your wife who you're down to fuck? No, you can't do that as a man. You can't.
I told you. I told you it was only men.
But my wife would definitely look at me, like if she's watching something, and say that somebody was good looking, for sure. She wouldn wouldn't say I want to fuck him.
Like, no, that wouldn't happen. I don't think you'd say that to your spouse, period.
But I'm joking. Everyone's got their own thing.
Everyone's got their own code that like is down to clown. I couldn't say that to my, like most recently I've been fawning over Meghan Markle to my wife.
I've been like, wow, she is so stunning. I'm like, I cannot watch the show.
That's literally the same thing I said. You just said it nicer.
Yeah, exactly. By the way, I cannot watch the show because the show was terrible.
I'm sorry, Megan, I'm sorry. She's got, she glows.
Yeah, she does. I mean, yeah.
Listen, you want to, you down to, you know. You're down to.
I mean, you know. You don't have to finish this sentence.
And it came to me, you know. She can call me Jay.
I was going to say, H, H, you didn't really like that. Hilarious.
She likes an initial or two. She really does.
H would not be happy to hear this conversation. No.
But I do ask her multiple occasions, babe, who do you think is cute't you? I do that a lot. I'm like, who do you like? Yeah.
Because I think that we are still human beings. And I think if you cut that out, then you're cutting a part of yourself out.
To be honest with you. My wife does that to me too, but it's a trap.
Fair. Like we're watching an award show.
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I'm dying to know as much as you want to talk about it.

I know you recently were back on The View, right?

As a guest.

Ish.

Ish. Long time ago.
But what was, and you, because you talked were back on The View, right? As a guest. Ish.
Ish.

Long time ago.

But what was,

and you,

because you talked about like,

this is like,

I have like PTSD.

Yeah, I do.

I have a lot of PTSD over a lot of topics,

but keep going.

Oh, same.

We are in good company here.

Yeah, me.

I just want to know

what it's like hosting

a daily show like that

because it's slightly

been in my dream.

So make it a nightmare.

Okay, cool.

Let me make it a nightmare

for you really quick.

One, do it with a really big company like ABC that has multiple lawyers and requires a lot of views on a regular basis. Then talk about politics.
Actually get hired knowing that you're going to be talking about pop culture, but then have them switch it on and it'd be the most heavily thick, most heavily thick. That doesn't make any sense, the most thick political climate that could ever have happened when you were supposed to be on air talking about.
2018, 2017? Okay. When you're supposed to be on air.
No, 2015 was the ramp up. 2016 was the ramp up.
Got it. When you're supposed to be talking about pop culture.
And then also, I got to be careful how I say this, but you know, when you're prepping for a live telecast, you have to make sure that you have a point of view that is crafted and you stick to that. And then as an actor, just make sure like, hey, it might contradict somebody else's.
So be ready for that conflict on air. Now, as my wife knows, I hate conflict.
I will scream and yell and then I will go and leave and just like go cry in a corner. I need to be in a closet.
I do not like conflict on air. And continue that and make sure that you get everything you've ever wanted to say out of your mouth within the 30 seconds that you're allowed to speak with a whole bunch of other people on the panel.
Right. And make it make sense that the entire world doesn't come for you.
Also, it's not, I had the really bad mindset that that was a safe space.

Anytime there's a camera or microphone in front of you, it's not a safe space, you guys.

I don't care who you are.

Sure.

You still haven't learned that lesson.

Clearly.

Rewind the tape to four minutes ago.

This is a safe space.

And, you know, say things that you would say in the comfort of your own home because you're at a panel with women that you love and you talk shit with them outside of the show. Yeah.
It's just really scary. It's really scary for someone who grew up having a written script their whole life.
Totally. I think you guys can do it, though.
I think there's a need for a male view. No, actually, I take that back.
There is no more needs for male views. I agree.
We don't want the view. No, but I'm just...
We don't want the view. Olivia, was it that funny? We don't need any more male views.
But I think you guys can like talk about sports or some shit. No, not me.
What is this show about? What is this show about? What would this show about? This. It's about stretchy jeans.
Relationships.

We could honestly do like a bit of a fashion police 2.0.

Josh and I could sit there and like judge people on the carpet.

Totally.

That would be fun for us.

I love straight fashion.

That's cute.

That's a good.

That's awesome.

Look at that Patagonia jacket.

Oh my God.

You're like, those lands and pants are great. Is that Carhartt? Is that LLT? But like, there's been male views and people don't like it, right? This is why I said no more.
That's right. Like, not the male view, but like actual four guys in a round table.
No, they don't like it. Wasn't it like Mario Lopez or something? Like, he needs one more job.
Yeah, Oh my God. That man is in my hotel.
He is on my everywhere. He is when you walk by the TV store if there's still a thing.
Like crazy. He's everywhere.
He's everywhere. No, I don't think you need it.
I think that, who's my favorite Pictionary host? O'Connell. O'Connell.
Jerry. Jerry.
I love you, Jerry. Sorry, I forgot your name, love.
But you know, I love you. And you know, he's been on the panel with the talk.
Yes. And I think that obviously there's a need for it.
Jerry. Jerry.
I love you, Jerry. Sorry, I forgot your name, love.
But, you know, I love you. And, you know, he's been on the panel with the talk.
Yes. And I think that obviously there's a

need for it. But when you guys find that niche, like we're down for it.
We're going to root for

you both. Yeah.
We got to find it. Yeah.
I think we make it a three way when we get Steve Harvey

involved. Oh, my God.
That changes everything. Raven's leaving.
I would take a... Raven's not in.
Raven's leaving. I'm out.
I hate him. I hate him.
I'm out. It's so good.
Did you just throw up in your mouth a little bit? Oh my God. I hate him.
Oh my God. Not on camera.
I can't. This is the best podcast I've ever been done.
I hate Steve Harvey. Do you remember how she went to Atlanta? It's not Steve Harvey.
It's Family Feud, guys. It's Family Feud guys she has resentment against Family Feud because I'm not hosting it no I have no problem with Steve Harvey I think he's great but again another person who has everything thank god though yeah I almost had a heart attack but would you like would that be like a fun thing to do host like a game show well surprising you bring that up every night on The CW, Raven Simone hosts Scrabble.
Wow. Sick.
It's really fun, you guys. I'm really enjoying it.
And I'm a sister to Trivial Pursuit with LeVar Burton. Wow.
A lot of fun. Check it out.
And if you don't have the CW channel, you can get the CW app for free and it streams the next day. And when I tell you the fun that I had, we filmed it in London.
And the fun that I had meeting these amazing, really, really smart humans that know how to spell. Scrabble people.
It was amazing. It was amazing.
They know like the 700 two-letter words that are available in the Scrabble dictionary. Wow.
That's unbelievable. I'm horrible at Scrabble.
Scrabble is such a good game. What a great game.
Oh, yeah. Horrible.
But it's so fun. Yes.
But like I judge people like when they're like, I'll look at someone's board and it'll be like, bun. I'll be like, you didn't graduate high school.
Set school. No three letter words.
No three letter words. you go? Now, Raven, you did go to set school.

I had a wonderful teacher.

You did?

I did. Do you remember your teacher? His name was Kevin, but Kevin got steamrolled by the higher-ups.
Oh, that's messed up. And they were like, yo, we don't want to have to spend three hours of his nine-hour workday schooling him.
Which is literally legal. That's the law.
Okay, keep going. But not to them.
So they go, we have a guy who has a high school that Josh can go to and graduate from in one day. And the high school location, it's in a shady office in Silver Lake.
Right. So you show up and it's an academy.
And he goes, I'm going to give you a test. And you spend two hours taking basically like a GED for people who wouldn't be able to pass the GED.
And then you get a high school diploma and they no longer have to. Holy shit.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Oh, don't you dare. I love this so much.
Thanks, Jade. The next water.
Thank you, Jade. Oh, I love it here, babe.
Yeah. Well, considering you threw up in the other one.
There. I want to apologize for your experience.
Thank you. Because that fucking sucks.
I had a wonderful teacher. Her name was Sharon.
Sharon Sachs. And I had some other teachers when I went to high school, too.
But my parents would not let that happen. I had to have good grades or I would be on punishment while also making sure I show up to work in a real way.
It was not a game for them. And I kind of envy you, but also I'm sorry that you had to go through that.
Did you ever go to public school? Till I was in high school. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. How was high school? I mean, how was middle school for you? It was fine.
I went to performing arts high school in New York. So it was my people.
Oh, you were me. It was really, I was finally the cool kid.
Oh, I love that for you. But did you not, how was, did you ever go to normal civilian school? I did.
I went to public school, elementary, middle school in the first two years of high school. And then I went online because that's when online schools started, Laurel Springs.
Skills. Schools.
Schools. I learned how to say it in schools.
And again, my parents were not playing around because my mom's from a family of teachers. So this is my favorite line for my mom.
I'm like, mom, I'm hosting The View. Oh, that's great.
Mom, I met this person. Wow, that's really good.
Did you go to college? No, mom, I'm in the middle of doing my own show. I don't care until you go to college.
I went to college, I swear to God. She's now saying, do you want to go back? I'll pay for it.
I'm like, I can pay for my own college, mom. She cares more about that than she does anything I've ever done on screen.
It's hilarious. And also great.
Yes. School's important.
What? College. Gosh.
Did you not go? No. I think he grew up a little in his mouth.
Yeah, I was not allowed. No.
Allowed? I don't know. It just wasn't in the cards for me.
I would have, but I am also one of those people who I respect it. I think I would have appreciated it and been able to be completely available to do it now.
Yeah. It's just too late.
Like, it's not too late, but I think at that age, I was just like, I got to get a job. Miranda, did you go to college? No.
For like two weeks. That's my girl.
Yeah. It was actually really unfortunate because I had every intention of going to college because my parents, my entire life basically said to me, you're going to find your people when you go to college because I was so uncomfortable in high school and elementary school.
And my mom was always like, you will find your people when you get to college. It's going to be wonderful.
And both of my parents are also highly educated people and really believe in education, which I do as well. But I applied to my schools.
I did not get into any of the colleges I wanted to go to. I got into my two safety schools and I didn't want to go to either of those.
And I was like, I'm going to go to SMC. And also I went went to Campbell Hall, which in L.A.
is one of the top private schools.

Fancy schmancy, like Dalton in New York.

Fancy schmancy L.A. private school.

Tell about the time that teacher.

Where they pride themselves on.

I had a teacher who used to eat a lot of paper.

Not that one.

She ate my animal farm essay. What?

You paid $40,000 for teachers who eat paper? Yeah, literally. It's public school shit.
I know. It is, it is.
Where's my composition book? It's been digested. Double space.
I'm sorry. No, Josh, you think you're joking right now, but I'm not even kidding.
She had a thing for paper that was so intense that she would actually say like, like I tried to throw away a piece of construction paper once because we were making cards for kids and she freaked out because she was like, that's the best kind. And I was like, she had like paper eating preferences.
It was, it was really a character. But anyway, the fact that you like go to a school like Campbell Hall and then don't get into college is very disgraceful.
And my father even said to me one time, he was like, well, what do I tell the guys on the golf course now? And I was like, you know, he's like, because this person's kid is in Africa doing this. This person's kids over here at Harvard.
And I was like, I don't know, dad, tell them that your child is fighting for a parking spot at SMC because that's what I was fucking doing. And then I just, no, I left after that.
It was way too overstimulating. Did you go to college? I did.
I did. Where'd you go? And I was going to say I loved college.
I don't necessarily think that it is necessary at all right now. Like college in general, I think breeds a worker, right? And depending on what you want to do, you don't need to learn how to be obedient, which really is what school is.
If you want to learn things without structure, like I'm, I'm a fan of going in like educating yourself, of course, but like the structure of college, picking a major, only being able to focus on like core studies to then land in a job where you're just making less money than everybody else just seems like such like a weird broken loop that we're in. But yeah, I was pre-dental.
Oh my gosh. I wanted to be a dentist.
And then I found out like literally my junior year that the person who I was interning for the dental practice, like he owned 300 practices. So he wasn't a dentist.
He was a fucking businessman that owned dental practices. And the loser is the guy who went to dental school who has half of his paycheck taken by the guy that never went to dental school.
So it's just like a whole once you're I'm not anti-college, but like once the wool is pulled over your eyes, depends on what you want to do. If you want to be a doctor, if you want to be a lawyer, of course, go to school.
Yeah. But if you want to be anything you want, I think for the most part, like you don't really need it.
I don't know. But also Ben did pass out once during a dental exam while he was interning.
Isn't that true? Hilarious. I got up.
Yeah. It had, weirdly, it had nothing to do with the procedure, but like I did, like, I did walk out of the room, just pass out.
I woke up. Yeah, it had it.
Weirdly, it had nothing to do with the procedure. But like I did, like I did walk out of the room, just ass out.
I woke up. I was in a wheelchair.
He was watching a root canal and it was all over. Oh, done.
He's looking all cute in his scrubs. I'm going to podcast.
Screw this. I'm nuts and stare at molars all day.
No kidding. Nuts.
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I'm not great at technology. Let's hear from Anonymous.
Hi, good guys. My name is Mallory and I am a proud moron.
It's our fandom, the morons. My fiance and I are both Jews.
So we're going to be hosting a beautiful Jewish wedding sometime in the next two years. Just want to hear from each of you what your best recommendation is for a wedding and what you would advise against.
Looking forward to hearing about it. Thanks, guys.
Bye. COVID, right? Yeah, COVID.
Very open-ended question. I don't understand.
Her best advice for a wedding? Yes. I guess so.
In general? What's the one key thing to think about when having a wedding? Or just a Jewish wedding? I don't know. Let's just make it all.
Okay. Let's make it all encompassing Mallory.
Wedding. Quick.
Quick. Get engaged.
Get married. Make it quick.
Oh, hilarious. You just said quick.
Yeah. Do it quick.
The longer you wait, everybody's going to start to argue. I don't care how great your parents are.
I don't care how great you guys are. I don't care how solid you are.
If you do that 18 month engagement, you're going to hate each other. Do it in six months.
Rip it off and start your life together. That's my advice.
love that babe have good food make sure you have good food make sure you have good drinks and make

sure that you are really thinking about the guests that you're inviting because I think that one of the worst things that can happen is when you go to a wedding and it's just like lagging and long and lengthy it's like think about what you would want at a wedding as a guest and then plan from there and then put your own personal wedding desires second I like like that. Totally.
I like that too. I would say start a Zelle account because I don't want things.
I want money. And I think that the people and the guests that show up don't buy me things, you know, contribute to the honeymoon fund.
Contribute to, you know, this I'm spending over. Well, some people spend a whole lot of money on a wedding.
I want to, you know, get reimbursed for that. So accept money, not presents.
Pay for your play. Exactly.
Exactly. Think this seat is free.
And then I think because for the Jewish tone of it, what are we saying? I mean, like have a really great rabbi. Yeah, well, honestly, have a great.
It's more the cantor, like the guy that's singing you down the aisle. Like in great Jewish weddings, they have somebody that is live singing you down the aisle to have somebody with some good pipes.
Yeah, sure. They had those three nice warm waters like Raven clear and clean.
You need it. You need the warmth.
Yes, you need it. I would also say if you have 10 people that you're on the fence about inviting and maybe two or three of them you're related to, maybe they're like second or third cousins or whatever, or first, invite the family over the friends.
Because in 10 years, there's at least a dozen plus people I don't talk to who came to our wedding. But there are some family members who I'm still family with who we weren't talking then, but we're talking now.
And I feel bad. And I wish I had just, I wish they had come over those other people.
That's fair. Right? Yeah.
Just saying. Okay, next one from Anonymous.
Hey, good guys. Huge moron here with a huge moron husband.
We love listening to your show together in the car. It's just something fun.
We get to look forward to doing every week. Settle a debate for us.
Is it nuts to think that your wife is not hot? We were talking the other week about the difference between pretty cute and hot. And he said that I, for example, was pretty and cute, but not necessarily hot.
Is this nuts? Should I be offended? I kind of am. I'm not the most voluptuous girl out there, but I don't know.
I feel like you should find your partner hot, right? He thinks it's just a different type of attractiveness. Let us know your thoughts.
Thanks, bye. What's happening over here, Ben? I have a shiver down my spine.
Buckle up. Like, just lie.
Like, what are you, nuts? Like, your wife asked her, am I hot? Yes. Yes, you're hot.
I can't even, like, she didn't ask you that. So you could say, nah, you're like kind of cute, though.
Like she's going to kill herself. Like, what do you what's wrong with you? Like, that's terrible.
Sorry. Oh, hey, it's your opinion, babe.
I sit on both sides. I understand what you're saying and why it is terrible.
And as a girl who has done that before, right, where you're like, oh, am I hot? And you want your partner to be like, yes. Even I think that's the appropriate white lie.
There is no reason to say no unless your name is Raven and you're so brutally honest. You don't know how to white lie in those situations.
So then you as Miranda just have to accept that you're not hot. You're beautiful and gorgeous.
You're beautiful and gorgeous. You know what I think though? And to that anonymous caller, you can be whatever you think you are.
Meaning your husband or your partner might only see you through one light that they, they only see you through the eyes that they have. But if you want to be hot, being hot, I think for like the male gaze is pretty simple.
Like, you know that you need to put on like a tighter outfit or you need to like push your boobs up or you need to have more of that energy. That is what hot eats, right? So it's like, I think that people can take on different forms and presentations and present themselves differently when they want to, as they see fit, period.
No, there's no applause for that. I think that was really well said.
And I think on a day to day, like not even the hottest, like Angelina Jolie, right? People are like, she's so, she is not hot every day. And she's hot when day.
And she's hot when she's Lara Croft Tomb Raider maybe or when she's Gia or whatever. But like- Yes, or the changeling.
Sorry, probably. But like, she's not necessarily hot when she's sitting and like doing a Vanity Fair interview.
Like it's such an energy. What do you think, Josh? Yeah, I mean, I once called my wife elegant, which she hated.
And I'm like, babe, elegant's going to age so much better. And she is so elegant.
Yeah. Because I was like, because I think about like Angelina Jolie in that Vanity Fair interview is elegant.
Amal Clooney, there's an elegant. She's elegant.
She understands that. I think that what she has to understand, the caller, is that there are like they're different descriptions of each word.
Hot, cute, sexy, beautiful, gorgeous, elegant. And when you marry someone, I think that's your brain switching off from hot and ooh, that's a freak over there into like, what do I want to age with? And it is elegance.
It is beauty. It's like gorgeousness.
It's classic. My wife is classic to me, like classic English.

I'm like, oh, I love it.

Hot.

She has her moments, like when she gets dressed up and I'm like, oh, OK, girl, look at you.

You know what I mean?

But I think that, you know, I think it's a compliment when someone says something, when

someone says you're not hot, you're beautiful.

And I took me a while to stop using the word cute because I think my wife is very cute and like Tinkerbell looking but she was like I'm not cute I'm like you're fucking cute you're cute but that's you might even be you might even be cute yeah no I think it's also it's just you hated that remember you yeah but that was like a me issue right so I would say to this caller too it's like the reason cute was hard for me to handle was because I didn't want to be cute I wanted someone to be like wow Miranda wow, Miranda, you're so pretty. Like you're so beautiful.
I wanted that. And cute then felt like it was like kind of like, oh, you're cute.
And I was like, I don't. But when you say it like that, it's different.
I think that if any, I don't know, just don't ask your husband shit like that. Don't trap him either.
That's a thing, too. And like he he needs to know how to get out of the trap trap though.
That's what I was saying from the beginning. Your wife asks you, am I hot? Yes.
Yeah. Of course you're hot.
Like I just, I can't even imagine wanting to send her down that spiral. Like that's also about being a good partner.
That is. Yeah.
You don't ask, am I hot? Because you want somebody to say, no, you're pretty. This is true.
It's a trap. You asked it.
It's a trap. So just know it's a trap, but get out of the trap.
Don't eat the cheese. But I also really like the fact that you're saying, like, you don't want to send your partner down that spiral, which means that you would then have the emotional awareness to also understand that maybe your partner needs a little reassurance or a little validation or has felt a little insecure about her appearance for X, Y, and Z.
And you can put her at ease by just being like, yeah, babe, you are. There's for sure a reason she asks.
Exactly. Exactly.
And even if you don't know the reason, I think that what you're speaking to is really beautiful in partnership because that would mean that you have the awareness to go, my partner is asking this for a reason and I don't have to give my opinion in a real way. This isn't, we don't need to have a dialogue around her attractiveness.
Like she just needs that little moment of a boost. I can give it to her.
But, and be self-aware. If you're asking if you're hot to your partner, don't be wearing like Teva sandals.
I was literally thinking that. I'm like, don't, yeah.
Don't give me a reason to lie to you right now. Ask on a good day.
Yeah. Skinny day.
Ask after a stomach flu. You know what I mean? Am I hot? Let me pick this girl up for me right now.
When you still maybe have a temperature so someone's like, yeah, you're hot. I feel like they're less.
And you're not lying. Yeah.
And you can be strategic with the way you answer. Like my son, when he was one years old, his pediatrician, instead of calling him fat, called him robust.
Aw. I like fluffy.
Yeah. I'm warm and fluffy.
Yeah. She was like, wow, he's robust.
I used to be too. I got a TV show.
Oh my God. Period.
Oh my God. Period.
Period. Should we go to What Are You Nuts? What Are You Nuts? Okay.
Yeah. We'll give you guys a second to think.
Our final segment on the show is called What Are You Nuts? It's your gripes with people, places, and things. Okay.
Big and small, whatever's currently sticking in your craw. Nothing too big, nothing too small, random, anything works.
Take your time. Ben and I will start it.
Ben, after you good, sir. I'm done with going on an Uber Eats a Grubhub and being catfished by somebody that made a beautiful looking restaurant, okay? I order this beautiful Chinese, the freaking photos are out of this world that shows up at Slop.
I've had enough with these ghost kitchens and being catfished by these restaurants. What are you nuts? Like Uber, find a way to vet that this is a legitimate establishment.
It can't have 4.9 stars and 5,000 reviews if it's out of this person's apartment and then it shows up and it's terrible. Takeout has gone astray.
What are you nuts? God bless. My what are you nuts moment is my son is now playing Little League.
It's very cute. But the truth is these parents, they are packing like they're going camping in Yosemite.
They got the folding chair, coolers with every beverage, first aid kits, the things, the blankets, like umbrellas. What are you nuts? It's an hour.
He sucks. Your kid stinks.
You want to be so comfortable watching your kid miss an easy, you know, throw to first base? What are you, nuts? They're nuts. Babe? No.
Take your time. No rush.
No, no rush. The dumber the better.
Yeah, I'm trying to. I'm trying to get there.
Okay, I'll go. And you guys tell me if this is enough.
This pissed me off so much. I just came back from Atlanta and I brought this clock back from my grandma's house, which I've been eyeing since I was like three years old.
Grandma, rest in peace, grandpa's house. And the clock weighs about 50 pounds.
No joke. No heaviest.
And so I was like, okay, do I ship it on FedEx or do I take it on the plane? People like if you take it on the plane, you know, at least you're holding. And I'm like, yeah, but then I'm gonna have to pay.
Right. Because you can't go over 50 pounds on the plane.
And I'm like, what is happening? OK, so I was like, I'll bring it to the I'll bring it to the airport. They don't weigh it.
They don't even want to pick it up when I ask for it because it's a check back. I mean, it's a bring on the plane bag.
So what are you nuts? You're charging me all this money for an oversized bag when I check it, but I can bring the same amount or heavier on the plane itself. So what are you actually charging me for? Are you giving me are you giving the money to the people because they have to lift this heavy thing or is it for gas and fuel, which is what I thought it was.
It pissed me off. It makes me go, okay, so if I bring two a hundred pound suitcases on the plane, I get to go through with all my stuff.
My wife brought a suitcase full of potatoes once. We'll get into that later.
And they, she had to pay and I was so, we could have brought it on the the plane babe what are you nuts I actually didn't have to pay because you made me open the suitcase in the middle of trying to check it and then rearrange everything and move bags and things you brought potatoes honey so whatever I asked you to do after doesn't count that's not it doesn't matter but I'm just saying potatoes we didn't have to end up paying because you made me move all this stuff. I think it's ridiculous.
Now that I know that you can bring whatever, at least 75 kilograms I think it is on the plane, you don't have to pay, you guys. Hack.
You're welcome. What are you nuts? What are you nuts? What are you nuts? What are you nuts? So good.
Okay, so here's my what are you nuts? We recently bought a house and we've been redecorate or not redecorating, decorating. And furniture is crazy expensive.
It's crazy expensive. And we're trying to do this thoughtfully and make, you know, smart choices and make the right purchases.
And I have to tell you that almost every piece of furniture that has arrived to our home has been damaged, has been broken. And I'm talking when you're spending like thousands, thousands of dollars on a table, I expect that table to arrive perfectly.
If I'm spending thousands of dollars on a dining room fucking chair, because my wife thinks that it is super comfortable and fits her well. I'm not the chair, I'm the table.
You're the chair. Whatever.
Don't interrupt the story. I was just cruising.
Just be here. If we have to spend all that money because she loves this chair and it comes damaged, we have a problem.
So my thing is, is everyone just making things on the cheap cheap and then hiking it all the way up, up. And then we're all just paying it.
Yes. Yes.
Because we're all nuts. Because we're all nuts.
Yes, we are. Totally.
What are you nuts? What are you nuts? What are you nuts, man? We've also never ordered furniture that arrived not broken. So I think that's like a universal thing that furniture always arrives broken.
I don't know. I think the person, the white glove service, they don't give a shit.
They're just chucking it, throwing it into the truck. No care.
But those were great What Are You Nutses. Nuts.
So good. I need to hear about the potatoes quickly before we wrap.
Why were you bringing potatoes on the plane? What are you, nuts? Yes. Yes, actually.
I am for potatoes. So I really love purple sweet potatoes.
They are my favorite. They're very good for you.
I eat them several times a week. And unfortunately, the places we travel don't have them.
So I have to go to Erwan or go to Sprouts and get all my purple sweet potatoes and put them in bags. This trip was really fun because it was my mom, her and me.
And my mom, she knows my wife, but she didn't know my wife packed potatoes. And so I'm loving it.
She's like, hey, why are you carrying all the bags? I'm like, no, don't worry about it, mom. We get there.
She opens it. She goes, is that a fucking potato? And the thing that was really frustrating was.
Your mom's like, there better be Coke in there. This better be a decoy.
Otherwise, it's very nerdy. I had packed so beautifully.
Like everything was so nicely done and organized. And then we're in the middle of the airport and Raven's like throwing open the bag.
Move this potato. Hand me this.
Putting my potatoes in her backpack and taking my thing. I was like, oh.
Okay, I know. I'm sorry, babes.
I'm sorry about that. But we got through.
You guys, my question to you is. We did get through.
We got through. Packing.
I am a psycho when it comes to packing. I need it to be neat and beautiful and placed.
And my wife is now too, like the little. I'm not is now.
I always have been now. That's why.
I love you. How are you guys? Are you guys like big packers? Like even when I have to pack the car, I'm like, babes, it's Tetris.
Let me do it.

Yeah.

Now that you have kids, how's your packing skills?

Yeah, you have to get them perfectly packed and they need their sound machine and their books and their things.

So that like, it's a week out process and you're slowly adding on and then you incorporate

them into it.

My son, Max, loves to pack.

Me, it's a carry on.

I know my things.

It's so easy. I took a carry on to Europe for two two weeks.
Oh, my God. I do everything I can to not check.
That must be a child star, have to go quick type thing. Because whatever.
Or just a Josh and Raven thing. Could be.
Just can't connect to anything, really. Not really.
I'll buy it when I get there. Phone, wallet, keys, I else yeah yeah I'll be good anywhere period Ben take us home and please I was gonna say so Raven Miranda plug anything like what I know there's tea time but what else anything we wanna talk about well please watch and listen to tea time which is on YouTube and anywhere else you might get your podcasts what else babes you can check me out on Scrabble on the CW, and I'm writing a book.
Ooh, amazing. And all of our socials are our names, Miranda Mayday and Raven.
Thank you, guys. Miranda, Raven, this was, like, unbelievable.
Thank you guys so much for coming. So fun.
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