Drake and Josh and Ben (Part 2)

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It's a good guys. And if you don't give us five stars what are you nuts what are you nuts yeah we're the good guys we're not the great guys we're just so good good good guys whoa nothing makes me happier to be in each other's lives and to look back at the time we spent together.
And I think something that I realized,

or I think was, and you can tell me whether I'm right or wrong, like when we finished the show, I just wanted to put my head down and go to work. Yeah.
And say like, it was great. I'm glad it happened.
But like, it's not going to buy me anything in the industry or whatever. Like, I just got to get to work.
And like, part of me just wanted to put it away. That's something that a lot of us, a lot of us don't, a lot of people don't understand is it was that era of, you know, you're on a kid's show.
Like it's going to be pretty tough. Yeah.
Coming out here and getting on ABC or NBC or Fox or going and doing a big motion picture. Like you're on a kid people are used to that era after that generation after us that was like the Miley the Selena the Joe where it was like well yeah you're on Disney Channel so and then the next thing is you're a massive sure touring superstar and selling out arenas like that's what you you become Selena Gomez you become Mileyiley Cyrus.
You become, but that's the generation. So we had, we were still in that like, you know, you were on, so I'm sure that when the show's done, there wasn't so much of where the public would think like, hey, I just, I was just on the biggest show.
No, there was like a stigma to us. Like we want to kind of like, now when I go to audition for this new ABC pilot, like being on this kid's show ain't going to be a leg up.

Right. Like Miley had to get on a wrecking ball.

Yeah.

Half naked to be like, I'm different now.

Like Hannah's gone.

Yeah.

But I remember thinking and to end it with the wedding, which I think blew everything up, but also was the first step in us coming back together.

You know, I think about my wedding and I go like and the only person from the show that was there was Dan because my mom was friends with his wife. Yeah.
Thanks, mom. No, but it's not like, it's not an indictment of one particular person.
It was that I just, I love you. I love Miranda.
There's so many people that I probably would now at 38 wanted there. But at 30, I just wanted to leave it all behind because it felt like it didn't serve me anymore and the realization I had was when you know you wrote that stuff during my wedding about like our friendship and all these things and and our love and our history I think you were living in the world of where our relationship should have been right I was too much living in the past of when our relationship wasn't great.
And it was really somewhere in the middle. But I think that was revealed to me and why we had so much of that.
Because over those 10 years, we saw each other once, like once a year. And so when this stuff was coming out, I'm like, what does he mean? But now I can see with all this time and everything that's been revealed of like, yeah yeah and you know i think that there was a lot of times when like when we were hanging out at michael's a lot and we were just and like there was i always felt like what like man we like we're all hanging out the same for like we should be closer there's something there's and it's funny that you say like you know i always used to just see you as like i just thought you were so cool like i thought you were the cool it's like dude i honestly like i would think the same thing like i'm like oh i'm not cool enough to like hang out with josh like oh no he's you know i'm not like i'm not funny enough i'm not this he thinks i'm this and oh he's like we were doing the same shit when we really should have just been like bro i want to go grab some pizza and like right play some video games yeah yeah crazy wow.
Crazy. Wow.
How about that? Wow. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
I will just say quickly, because I've been thinking, the fact that everything that was happening with Brian Drake was in between the Amanda show and Drake and Josh, which I did not know. Well, the process, the legal and police process, that's what was going on between that time.
The fact that you were able to then go on Drake and Josh and do what you did. Again, you don't need to hear it from me or from anyone, but you're just an unbelievable actor because that show was so unbelievable.
It was so funny. The way that you're describing it is not a unique perspective on it.
The two of you had such unbelievable chemistry and being an obese teen, I would look at Josh and I was like, oh, I'm Josh. Like that was like, it was me.
And I would look at Drake and I was like, Drake, you are so like, so cool. Like it's like hearing you two talk about it.
Like that is the perspective of the viewer. That is exactly what it was.
And that's why that show is in the cultural zeitgeist forever. So to hear you guys talk about how you wish to leave it behind is so crazy to me.
And I get it. Like I get why you would want to, to move on with your careers and do other things, but like for the millions and millions and millions of people, both nationally and internationally, that love that show, just know they will always love that show show well that's something that well there's two things like first seeing the audience grow through the years has been just absolutely incredible i mean when we were on the show wasn't even like we were on a show it was like oh if we're at disneyland or somewhere where there's kids like we'll get recognized okay and then when the show, like, it just, but I don't know, because streaming or because

nostalgia or what, but like every, it just seems to be getting bigger now.

And, you know, I travel around and I just, it's amazing the impact that the show has

had and still has on a young generation and on a younger generation.

And it's starting to become one of those shows that is it's like

like what you were talking about

with the theme song

it's like

yeah

yeah

I've made an iconic theme song

it's iconic

to an iconic show

that we

thank you for

you know

theme song

wouldn't be the theme song

if we didn't have the show

you know

and what's it like in Mexico

like

because you moved to Mexico

right

like what's

that seems amazing

the love of Drake and Josh

in Mexico it's unbelievable bro you have no idea. Tell me more, Drake Campagna.
It's unbelievable. Because, you know, we were on like normal TV.
You didn't have to buy cable. You know, I run into people that were like, oh, you were on Nickelodeon.
I didn't have cable growing up, you know. But in Mexico, we were on Channel 5.
We were like on After Friends or Se on after friends or you know it's like we're on normal tv so everyone watched us we weren't a kids show yeah you know we were the teenagers watched us the kids at college watch us the parents you know the families at home watched us it was like it seemed more like a friends or a seinfeld so it's okay for example there's a place called veeps it's like a denny's okay or an ihop sounds good and it's, okay, for example, there's a place called Veeps. It's like a Denny's, okay? Or an IHOP.
Sounds good. Delicious.
And it's, yeah, it's Mexican IHOP, right? Say that. So it's basically delicious.
You know about this, Robby? You know about this, right? Veeps? Wow. So the menus for the children's, I have copies, I'll show you.
The menu for the children's menu is us, bro. What? Like, it's residuals.
Here you go. Where are the residuals? Ben, can you do something? Where are the residuals? I don't know what to do.
Hearing that you're on Fox 5 of Mexico is making me sick sick. You know we're a Game Boy game? Yes, we're a Game Boy game.
Do you know that we're a board game? What? Do you know that? We're Clue. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I've got it.
I have a cop. I have it.
Yes. And I sign it all the time at meet and greets, but it's because it's out of the U.S.
So there's no right. They got nothing.
They take it all. I mean, the bandaid.
I mean, if you thought it was bad, you know, the bandaid, it just said. But no, so we had a.
Unbelievable. We're on the menu, you know, back in the day.
Back in the day. We were in like when you buy Doritos, you buy whatever and you open them up like the little prizes inside is us.
Like it's, it's levels beyond. What kind of contract did you sign? What was in this contract? We need a copy of the contract.
This is insane. It's, I mean, it's, it's unreal.
Walking. Like you couldn't imagine what it's like stepping foot in, because the show was that they they just loved the show.
It was awesome. Did you go to the Middle East for like a meet and greet for a super fan? Oh, oh, wait.
Okay, so there's two stories. Well, you might be talking about two stories.
Okay. So one, I was walking down Rodeo Drive and ran into an old friend, and he's like, hey, what have you been doing? And I'm like, hey, what have you been doing? He's like, oh, I've been hanging out with the Prince of Brunei.
He's like, his dad's like the richest man in the world. He's the Sultan of Brunei.
And I'm like, oh, that sounds fun. He's like, ah, yeah, it's his birthday.
You should come with us. I'm like, haha, okay, see you later.
Three days later, I get a phone call. He's like, hey, you still down to go to that birthday? I'm like, in Brunei for the prince? Like, this wasn't just like a Larry David stop and chat.
Like, what? He's like, yeah, you got your passport number and send me it over. I'll get it all handled.
I'm like, okay. So I sent it over.
Like three days later, I'm on a first class flight with Pamela Anderson, like all these people going to Brunei and hanging out with the prince for a week and getting taken around. And that was a crazy trip, man.
I'm taking out. He goes, where would you like to go, the mall or the movie theater? And I'm like, oh, well, I don't know.
What's cooler? He's like, I'll take you to the mall. Whatever you want to do.
I'll take you wherever you want to go. I was like, oh, let's go to the mall.
Okay. I could have said, I want to go to the grocery store.
I could have said, show me your ice cream shop, right? I'm like, yeah, let's go to the mall. It took us like 15 minutes to get to the mall, maybe 15 minutes.
By the time we got to the mall, the entire mall had been evacuated. There were SUVs completely surrounding, like black SUVs parked bumper to bumper, all the way around.
A red carpet from the entrance of the place rolled out and our SUV pulls up and he like opens the door and it's just like mid conversation like I know isn't that crazy like come on okay so here's what and he just like steps out on the red carpet like it's just nothing like I'm like so if I had said the bowling alley all this would have been at the bowling alley someone Someone's like almost about to roll a 300.

They're like, get out.

It's crazy.

The Prince and Drake are coming.

Yeah, we go.

So now we're in the mall.

And he's like, if you want anything, just let my assistant know and they'll buy it for you.

You're like, what's a pretzel?

Are we talking in Auntie Anne's moment?

No, we're talking about like bootleg DVDs, but in the mall.

Oh, better, better.

Like it would be a Sam Goody, but it's not.

It's like black and white, like printed.

It's semi-good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's semi-good, yeah.

So anyway, we're walking around and he goes,

if you want to buy anything,

just let my assistant know and he'll buy it for you.

And I don't know if I said it or he said it or something.

He's like, ask him because I hate to carry cash

or something like that, you know.

And I was like, oh, why do you hate carrying cash? hate carrying cash he goes because i hate seeing my dad's stupid face i was like what and he's like yeah it's like every time i pull out the money he's like hi dad hi grandpa i'm like oh my god i'm like okay i'll never understand that but that's cool But yeah, he's like, yeah, I just, it's just like, okay. So I don't like to carry cash because it's like, no.
I was like, that's just a different world. But anyway, so that was a crazy trip.
We're sleeping on this, Ben. Can you imagine Brunei guys? We go do a live Brunei.
No, we gotta go. Oh, yeah.
It's almost as good as Chai guys. It was a really, really cool trip.
Say it again, Ben. I said it's almost as good as Chai Guys.
Yeah, that's going to be our Indian pop-up, Chai Guys. Chai Guys? Oh, I like that.
That's good. And then the other one was I got, I did a show in Switzerland, in Gestad.
Okay. So I get to Gestad.
And if you, have you ever been to Gestad? What do you think? Yeah, I summer there. Is there, is there a Courtyard Marriott in Gestad? Because if not, no.
Okay. So, have you ever been to the Jersey Shore? I don't know.
Have you ever been to the airport motel? Why am I in Gestad? Because I got some random phone call because someone liked their show. Fair enough.
I'm sure you have crazy experiences like that. Larry King called me once.
That's it. No way.
I didn't go. No.
Sorry, Larry. Oh, my God.
So I love the suspenders. I'm in Gestad, and it's this crazy place where they keep billionaires.
It's like Sun Valley, but for rich people. Sure.
And Sun Valley is for very rich people. Sure.
But for the people who can't afford Gestad, go to Sun Valley. But so it's this crazy place.
It's a tiny little town. It looks like a snow globe.
And I got called for my band to come and play a birthday party for a 10-year-old birthday party was like okay well here's what we got they flew my entire band which was my full band so I had the horn section everything so it was like a nine-piece band my tour manager I don't know who else was on the crew and then flew us out to Switzerland we got on we landed went to the hotel It was like a Bond movie, this city. It was like you open the door to the hotel and people are playing like Baccarat in tuxedos and gowns.
And like, we looked like Casino Royale, you know? And we actually had to go change our clothes. The guy was like, you can't come in the hotel like that.
we had our stage clothes so we went and changed but yeah so it was just and then we get there we go in to play the show and it's in like this like little ballroom and it's us and maybe seven or eight kids that were he was turning 10 so around like between like you know seven and 10 and then like his dad so maybe like 10 adults yeah wow

and a nice payday. And we had to, oh dude, he was like some oil baron from Kazakhstan.
That's so cool. That's such a good bet.
You're like, as long as they don't get indicted for war crimes, this was worth it. Well, no, I mean, he was just some oil guy.
He wasn't like, you know, he was- They're all oil guys. Money is green, Josh.
Money is green. Yeah.
But yeah, it was a good, it was an astronomical payday. It was a stupid payday.
But the crazy thing was, after the show, which by the way, I mean, we put on a full show where like kids roll, I mean, they were rolling, you know, it's like we're at the science center with our kids. Yeah.
That was the audience. They're rolling around, they're picking their nose.
They're, they're like, you know, it was the wildest thing. But then after the little boy comes up, he goes, Oh, thank you so much for performing at my birthday.
And I just wanted to give you this as a gift from me, you know, thank you. You know, it was a thank you.
I'm like, Oh, thank you. And I open it up and it's a watch.
And I'm like, oh, that's cool. Nice watch.
I don't know anything about watches. Casio.
Yeah. And so I go upstairs and I'm like, got the watch on the desk and I'm just like doing things.
I'm like, I wonder what that is. I'll just Google it.
So I open it up and it's's uh it's a hublo i've heard of it okay it's uh it's a hublo big bang it's like a 32 i'm gonna look it up yeah i'm looking it up i'm looking it up i don't know we're looking it up yeah we're on it how much is the hublo big bang what's it called a hublo holy shit yeah hublo holy shit these range from the cheapest that I'm seeing here is like $10,000. Okay, well it wasn't that one.
No, it goes to like $46,000. It was that one.
Yeah. Wow.
Yeah. Good for you.
So I open it and I see that he just gave me a $40,000 watch. This little boy.
Wow. You know? So I open my door.
I'm running up and down the hall. I'm banging on all my, my band's doors, you know, I'm banging on the doors and they open

the doors.

I'm like, what, what?

I go, that kid just gave me a BMW.

I'm like, what the heck?

And so, you know, and what I ended up doing with it, uh, which was amazing and so smart

is I was playing pool in Vancouver and it was, you know, it was bothering me. I didn't like it.
It was uncomfortable. And so I took it off and I put it by my jacket.
And when I did that, I forgot that it was a $40,000 Hublot. Sure.
And I don't have that watch anymore. Because someone came along and snatched it up.
That hurts. Bastards.
But I mean, I don't deserve to have something that expensive. I don't need to have things like that.
Wow. Wow.
Josh, do you want to go on a trip to the Galapagos with me? Do you mean the Galapagos proper or the Easter Islands? Which are only accessible by the Galapagos. No, Josh.
I don't know. I just want to go and see beautiful islands, something rainforest-y, me and you.
We're going to take in all of the wonderful animals, the sights, the sounds. We're going to bring our S25 Ultras, and we're going to take some gorgeous ultra-wide shots of this beautiful scenery.
Doesn't that sound unbelievable? It does sound unbelievable. And also, Galapagos is the name of my friends who own the diner in my neighborhood.
The Galapagoses. Anyway.
Do you know why? Do you know why I'm thinking Galapagos, Josh? You're going to die. Why? Last night I get a text from my mom.
Ben, I just booked a trip for me and your father were going to the Galapagos for 11 days. There was like something on like a, what, you know, those like random emails that you'll get.
That's like for now for 1799, you can get an 11 day trip to the Galapagos. They booked one of those.
It's the two of them, 25 other people going to the Galapagos. I just hope they come back, but I'm going to send them with an S25 Ultra so they can take all those gorgeous pictures.
Imagine Bruce in the rainforest. Imagine Bruce in 200 megapixels.
Listen, if you don't send them with a Galaxy S25 Ultra, you're not a good son. Because the truth is, is they're going to be popping this thing out of their pocket and they're going to be getting some of the most iconic shots you've ever seen.
I mean, let me just ask you. I have like DSLRs at home.
I have like really proper big, nice cameras. They're not 200 megapixels like this camera.
This camera is sick, Josh. This camera is sick.
Sorry to interrupt you. Continue.
No, there's no 50 megapixel ultra wide lens. It's like, and it's the size of my head, which is not small.
These phones are it and all I can picture, my dad climbs to the top of a mountain. My mom takes a nice ultra wide picture on that gorgeous 50 megapixel lens.
You see his hair blowing in the wind. You see the iguana.
I don't know if any of this is indigenous to the Galapagos. You see an iguana.
You see a small monkey.

Maybe an orangutan.

It's fantastic.

Well, they're going to need a 50 megapixel ultra wide lens.

Why?

Group shots.

Them and these 30 other yentas are going to want to remember this for the rest of their lives.

They will.

Oh, that was so good.

Oh, my gosh. The S25 Ultra is an unbelievable phone with an unbelievable camera.

We're talking ultra wide, 50 megapixel. We're talking 200 regular megapixels.
So many pixels. It has a 200 megapixel camera.
And what I'm excited about is we've been talking about setting up a subscription model for the pod with us doing episodes that are random. They're weird.
They're random. They're like, what's that emoji? Random.

I wish you guys could see the way my wife's looking at me right now.

Anyway, the truth of the matter is, you know me.

I'm Christian carry-on over here.

I don't check, okay?

I have no room for equipment, but I have room for this, and it's all I need.

So if you want your Galaxy S25 Ultra from Samsung, go to Samsung.com right now. Ben, do you have any other questions before we go to what are you nuts? Yeah.
And if you don't want to talk about it, we don't have to. I just wanted to know as it relates to the other court case, is there anything new there? Is that totally closed? Yeah, no, that's done.
That's unfortunately. Yeah, that's all done.
There was one thing I did want to say. It was, oh, when we were talking about the 10 years of not seeing each other.
And I was saying that there were two things that I had noticed is when I came back to do when you asked me to be on grandfathered. Yeah, it just flowed.
It's just like so natural. I was just like, oh, that was really cool when I left.
And I was like, that's what I'm talking about. That's what when I try to explain this to to people, like that was it right there.
Like I came in, did our thing. It was so simple.
Boom, boom. We had some, we were trying, there were some lines that they were changing for the button, changing the joke, doing this there.
And it was like, that doesn't happen with everybody you work with. Yeah.
I think, you know, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts about me, but I feel like you're the best I've ever seen you. And I'm just extremely excited about, you know, what you have next and all the great things you're doing.
And I think there was like, and you talked about it in the doc, like, I would love to know if there was like an aha moment kind of thing. Cause you know, you talk about in the doc, you went through this trial and you had a little boy and like sort of all these life events.
And I think you, did you go somewhere to like kind of work on some of this? Yeah, I went to rehab in Nashville. What drove you to that moment? I went to Cumberland Heights.
You know, honestly, I think it was just like exhaustion and just being at just nowhere else to turn, like just feeling like a rat in a cage, like just, just feeling like I couldn't do it anymore. You know, it was just so.
Cause you were going through it publicly. Oh, everything was public, man.
I mean, it's just crazy, you know? And yeah, so it got, it got hard and I, you know, I was, I just had my son, my had my son, things were going on with my marriage and it was just all happening at the same time and all publicly and all of that. And I think that I just got to a point where I was like, I don't know what, I don't know how to do this.
Like, this is just something I don't know how to do you know i know how to survive like you know i've been doing that my whole life i feel like i've uh needed to just survive so i knew i could do that but i didn't know how you know you can survive but you could survive and have made really bad choices and you could survive and end up somewhere

not too great or you know die or whatever it is and so yeah I just was like all right I know I'm gonna survive I know I'm gonna be all right I know I'm not gonna be like that headline but I don't know what the hell is going on and or how I'm gonna navigate through this or how I'm ever gonna do what I love again or

be a father or

and it just became this like

and or how I'm going to navigate through this or how I'm ever going to do what I love again or be a father. And it just became this like, and I had to go somewhere where I got there.
You know, I went, it was like this battle where I was like kicking and screaming. No, I don't want to go, but I know I have to go.
And then finally I got there and it was beautiful. It was Nashville, Tennessee.
It's just rolling green hills, the most beautiful.

You know, Johnny Cash went there, and they, like, built a wing for him.

And there's just this, like, peace.

It was just trees and silence and rolling hills and a lake.

And, like, it was the first time for so long that I didn't even realize it

that I walked out. I'd just gone through all of my intake.
So I was just kicking and screaming through that. I was like, oh, man, this sucks.
And finally, I get my papers, and I walk outside, and I see where I'm at. And I just go, and it was the first deep breath that I'd taken in I don't know how long.
It was this like sudden, oh my God, that's what this feels like. Yeah.
It's going to be all right. You made the best decision you could have possibly made.
It's going to be cool. And so then through that, it became, I don't know if you've ever gone to like a place where you're like you know it's militaristic you're stuck like you're you're following the rules you're in there day in day out 30 you know however long 30 60 night whatever it is and you know you it starts as a battle and you're just like f the staff f the authority f this do what you got to do to get out of here.
And then stuff starts clicking, starts making sense. You start vibing with some of the guys.
You start hearing their stories. You start going, wow, like, wow, I'm not alone in this.
Cause that's the number one thing is you're like, you don't get me, man. You've never been, you've never, you don't understand.
Don't, don't try and help me. You don't know how I feel.
You don't know my pain. You've never experienced what I've been through.
Yeah. Shut up.
The power of me too. Yeah.
Yeah. And then I'm sitting there around my, all these guys in a room and I'm hearing how this person went through this and this person went through this.
And I'm going, okay, first of all, I'm not alone. And second of all, damn, you guys are pretty ballsy and brave to share your experience, to share your experience in And then we all became brothers, man.
And we bonded. I've got a show in Nashville coming up, a bunch of them are coming.
And it's like, that was no more of a battle. I was excited to go to class in the morning.
I was excited to make my bed. I became the mayor of the cabin.
I became I'm the guy that was, you was, you know. And that's, before the rehab, I had said no to the documentary over and over and over and over and over.
Wow. I was not going to be a part of it.
I didn't want any part of it. But after rehab, when I came out, I was like, let me see what your angle is here.
Let me see, I'll talk to you guys. I'll start entertaining this idea because maybe, you know, because I felt really good.
I felt, you know, like, wow, this is maybe sharing my story will help me and maybe help others. And maybe, you know, and I didn't want to have my story.
I always thought of, I didn't know if I was ever going to really say anything, but I would think about it a lot. And I would think, well, if I ever did, you know, what, what is it going to just be like on a podcast or is it going to be like in an interview that maybe some people read like what would be the platform that I would have to like ever like you know get on Oprah you know like Oprah comes back for us yeah right but I didn't know what platform so when I I was like, maybe this is, you know, maybe this is all kind of the way it was supposed to work out.
That if you were ever going to tell your story, like here's a platform, here's a way to get it heard and to make it not be meaningless. And so that's why after the rehab, I was like, you know, all right, maybe this is my time to is my opportunity to do this thing that I never thought that I would ever do.
When I went into my first 12-step meeting, I remember a guy said, you know, you didn't tell me what was wrong with me. You told me what was wrong with you.
And I identified. Because for so long, I walked around going, I think too much.
I feel too much. I hurt too much.
And if you had my head on your shoulders, you'd drink too. Yeah.
But you don't. Yep.
So, and it wasn't until I walked into a room of other people who think and feel and hurt and drank and did the way I did, but they weren't a glum lot. They were people who had lives and families and careers.
And I was like, oh, thank God. Yeah.
I'm not alone, right? Because this thing, trauma, disease, addiction, it wants you alone. That's all, that's the number one thing is you are alone in this.
And that's what was going through, what I was going through all those years was, you know, and with the stigma that everybody is, it's going to hurt my career. Even if, like, even though I know that's the victim here and is this going to be, you know, but you still think that you're going to have, you know, it's like, I mean, and it's crazy.
You know, things are coming to my head. I'm a little bit just because as I'm talking, a lot of things are coming back.
But it's like what you said about, or no, what I i was saying having the thought of like doing the pilot and you're like ah i know that this thing's gonna come out and this is gonna happen and isn't am i is josh gonna be pissed at me because this might affect the show and like this is it and i'm like and like we look back as like adults and his parents is like first of all it's a ridiculous thing to think but also like how like what a bummer like and what a strain like that without my even realizing it and with obviously without you knowing it or realizing it starts to put wedges and strains on our relationship yeah moving forward and as adolescents and us it's like we thinking like, he's just too cool to hang out with. And I'm like, oh, he just, you know, he doesn't think, you know, he, whatever.
It's like we're thinking like. Yeah, for each other.
We're thinking for each other when really it's like, shit, like Josh is going through a lot, like, you know, and especially in those years where we were, where we were visibly, you know, like, bro, Josh, like, hey, like I've been through some shit, Hey, slow down, you know and and especially in those years where we were where we were visibly you know like like bro josh like hey like i've been through some shit but hey slow down you know and you're probably like drake like come on bro like we work on tuesday mornings get you like i don't know why it's it's 6 a.m and you're calling me to go meet you at a thing i don't i don't know what you're doing are you okay it's like season four and five yeah but uh but even like just without that like just the stuff that we didn't even realize was like yeah you know i think in there and impacting all of it no i think you know i really i give a lot of credit to the documentary and for what it did for not only us but for the zeitgeist for the world and for people watching. And I think, and you talk about it really well on the doc, like the details of the trial that you went through and then you coming out of that and going, I don't want to speak for you, but just being like, this behavior is at the very least reckless.
Like this is getting me in a place that I don't want to be. And if don't face these things this cycle will continue totally and giving you credit for facing that stuff and going to rehab yeah well you know I mean watching you throughout the years too has been a big inspiration because it's like you know you you you know being in this industry and being around and also just being in that world of like you know the 12 steps and all of that and you know you friend of bill you know that whole thing is like you know you're watching people and i and i you know i don't want to sit here and it's easy and you're not going to fall and you're not going to slide back and you know it's it's a day-by-day thing you know it's yeah um but you know it's like you know i'm watching you has been inspiring because it's like you know you really stick to your shit you know what i mean like i you know you do uh i don't know it takes a lot of will you know because i've gone through this a lot of similar things and i know you know it's not fucking easy yeah but yeah you just always like you're like i'm gonna do this and this is what my decision is how i'm gonna be and what i'm gonna put in my body and what i'm I'm not gonna put my body and like.
Now just peptides.'m going to do this. And this is what my decision is, how I'm going to be and what I'm going to put in my body and what I'm not going to put in my body.
And like, now just peptides. And you kind of do that.
And it's like kind of wild because a lot of people do that for some time, you know, and then Friday rolls around and they're like, I don't feel sick anymore. Let's go drink.
I'll be California sober. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. All these dispensaries that call to me.
Ben, you want to hit us with a, what are you? Yeah. Okay.
Last question. Watching the documentary, I think a lot of people looked at it and were like, okay, there's one person that seems to be missing from this.
And that would be Amanda Bynes, where everybody sort of watched her and then very publicly saw a very different version of her. I'm just curious, were you close? I think, were you close on the Amanda show? And when was the last time you were in touch? Like, are you in touch with her at all? Have you been in touch with her over the last 20 years? I think I told you about this.
I randomly talked to her like, it was 2017 maybe? Maybe around 2016, 2017, 2018. I don't know.
It was around that time. But it was like, I like I randomly messaged her like I was like just like she was in the news or something and I was just like thinking about her and I was like oh I'm just gonna message her she'll never see it she'll never respond and then she responded and we like messaged back and forth a little bit and then that was the last I'd talked to her but but no I I mean other than being on the show and you know she was an idol to me.
I mean, I grew up on all that. One of the most talented people.
Unbelievable.

Yeah. And when I got to audition for the Amanda show, she may as well have been Rachel on Friends.
Like she was the biggest thing on the planet to me. She's the man.
Come on, Olivia. I know you loved it.
Oh, fantastic. I've seen her like, see her like every two to three years will run into each other.
Yeah. She's just the greatest.
Yeah. She was great then.
She remains great and such a good person and obviously has had some sort of, some public struggles. Yeah.
But I just think she's got one of the great hearts and great skills, great talents. Yeah, I mean, that's all I, that's all ever experienced with with amanda was just like this dynamite force of nature when it comes to like just talent you know watching her was like watching carol burnett was like watching this you know who's the tracy ullman you know okay all right our what are you nuts moment drake is people places and things gripes with humanity you're walking down the streets of Mexicoxico and you're like what are you fucking nuts what are you nuts okay so there is this and rovi you have to help me with this because i don't know exactly what they say but every morning there is this loudspeaker that goes through mexico and actually did you see amelia amelia p No.
Ben did, loved it. Okay.
I did, unfortunately. You know at the beginning, when they have the thing with the smoke coming out, they have a, and then they have the speaker that's like, I want a mattress.
But what they're saying is they're like, refrigerators, mattresses, chairs, da, da, da. We buy these, you know, like, so they're, and it's a truck that's driving around and they pick up like old mattresses and refrigeration and everything.
But it's so loud and it starts as soon as the sun comes up. So you'll be just like sleeping and everything's like, ah, and then all of a sudden you're like, refrigeradores, refrigeradores.
And you're just like, oh my, and it goes, and just all through the city. And you're like, so that's one thing that I could, it's weird.
There's this like, kind of like love for it where it's like, if it stopped, I'd be like, oh, like, I miss that. Like, that's like, reminds me of Mexico.
It's like, gives me the feeling of Mexico, you know, but also it could stop. Fair.
Yeah. Fair.
Ben, what do you got? That's nuts. You know, when you're you're in a restaurant, you're walking down the stairs, right? You're going to go to the bathroom.
It's downstairs. And you see coming up, there's a mother and she's walking her five-year-old up the stairs one step at a time.
Not five, one step at a time. You're like, do you really need to teach your daughter how to walk here? You have to teach her right now how to walk up the stairs.
It's very narrow. I'm walking down.
Can't you do it in your own house? are you nuts teach her to walk somewhere else

now having my son i do see that sometimes where i'm like this is the pick him up and walk moment

like yeah can you move can you move pick him up like you can pick him up and go like let's go

parents love doing it parents love doing it on airplanes too oh yeah like we're boarding an

airplane now you're gonna teach her to walk pick her up we're boarding the plane it's so good um my what are you nuts moment is i have friends of mine who live in the san fernando valley the beautiful san fernando valley and they've you know born and bred in los angeles and the other day they were like we're moving to nashville i go i didn't know you love nashville they go we don't Nashville, Austin, Boise, Palm Beach.

God bless them. This is not an indictment on them.
But these people are just moving there blind. Yeah, they are.
They're just like, fuck it, fuck it. I had friends move from, they were like, we're getting out of here.
We're going to Austin. We're done.
And we're out. I think it was Austin.
And I'm like, cool.

They get to Austin.

That's when they had that crazy winter.

And everyone got frozen out.

And the power grid froze.

They literally moved into their house.

We're there for a week.

And then they were in a hotel.

And everything was frozen over.

And the power was gone.

And everything.

I'm like, oh, you poor people. I'm like, oh, it's not that bad, is it? But no, it's Nashville, it's from Florida.
All my friends are gone. That's why I'm like, I spend most of my time mostly in Mexico and Florida now and I'm barely in LA because I was sitting at my house.
I'd come back from or Latin America or wherever I'm touring. And then I'd sit at my house and I'd be like, I have no friends in Los Angeles.
Right. They're all gone.
I'm like, Thomas went to Fresno. Will went to Nashville, went to Texas, went to Florida, went to the, I'm like, I don't even have anyone to call.
Yeah. It's crazy.
If I want to hang out with someone, I got to fly. What's income tax like in Mexico? All I know is between Mexico and Florida, you must be saving a pretty penny.
Oh, it's low. It's quite low.
Yeah. Oh, man.
The good guys go to Mexico City next. I'm dying to Oh, yeah.
Ben, take us home on the road. Drake, first and foremost, thank you so much for doing this.
It was an absolute pleasure. I wish I was in person, but it was an absolute pleasure.
You're amazing. And I'd love to just give you an opportunity to plug really anything.
Like, of course, we can find you on Instagram, but you're touring. What else is going on? I have a new record a new record out it's called non-stop flight yeah you guys can check out the new music video i kind of relate that's pretty heavy cool video but yeah we've got some videos that we've released from that record and i'm on tour right now but yeah check out non-stop flight it's available anywhere you stream and not in physical copies because that's too expensive and nobody buys them anymore okay good to know well five stars drake and josh and kind of ben five stars otherwise what are you nuts listen to us wherever you get your podcast watch us on youtube josh's youtube share our clips instagram and tiktok mondays and thursdays folks drake bell we'll see you soon thank you so much i felt like we could be here for four hours but um open invite I don't use, you know and Thursdays, folks.
Drake Bell. We'll see you soon.
Thank you so much.

I felt like we could be here for four hours.

Open invite.

I am a little dressed up,

but I have somewhere to go after this.

So it's fair.

You look amazing.

We're doing it again.

We'll run it again.

And this will fit in there.

So it'll be all right.

But yeah, we got to do it again.

Love you, Ben.

Love you.

I love you, Ben.

Great.