Drake and Josh and Ben (Part 2)

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Speaker 2 And I think something that I realized, or I think was, and you can tell me whether I'm right or wrong, like when we finished this show, I just wanted to put my head down and go to work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And say, like, it was great. I'm glad it happened, but like, it's not going to buy me anything in the industry or whatever.
Like, I just got to get to work.

Speaker 2 And like, part of me just wanted to put it away. That's something that

Speaker 4 a lot of us don't, a lot of people don't understand is it was that era of, you know, you're on a kid's show. Like, it's going to be pretty tough

Speaker 4 coming out here and getting on ABC or NBC or Fox or going and doing a big motion picture. Like, you're on a kids' show.

Speaker 4 People are used to that era after, that generation after us that was like the Miley, the Selena, the Joe, where it was like, well, yeah, you're on Disney Channel.

Speaker 4 So, and then the next thing is you're a massive

Speaker 4 touring superstar and selling out arenas. Like, that's what you, you become Selena Gomez, you become Miley Cyrus, you become, but that's the generation.

Speaker 4 So we had, we were still in that like, you know, you were, so I'm sure that when the show's done, there wasn't so much of where the public would think like, hey, I just, I was just on the biggest show.

Speaker 4 No, there was like a stigma to us. Like we want to kind of like, now when I go to audition for this new ABC pilot, like being on this kid's show ain't going to be a leg up.
Right.

Speaker 2 Like Miley had to get on a wrecking ball half naked to be like, I'm different now. Like Hannah's gone.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I remember thinking, and to end it with the wedding, which I think blew everything up, but also was the first step in us coming back together.

Speaker 2 You know, I think about my wedding and I go like, and the only person from the show that was there was Dan, because my mom was friends with his wife. Yeah.
Thanks, mom.

Speaker 2 No, but it's not like, it's not an indictment of one particular person. It was that I just, I love you.
I love Miranda. There's so many people that I probably would now at 38 wanted there.

Speaker 2 But at 30, I just wanted to leave it all behind because it felt like it didn't serve me anymore.

Speaker 2 And the realization I had was when, you know, you wrote that stuff during my wedding about like our friendship and all these things and, and our love and our history.

Speaker 2 I think you were living in the world of where our relationship should have been. Right.
I was too much living in the past of when our relationship wasn't great. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it was really somewhere in the middle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I think that was revealed to me and why we had so much of that because over those 10 years, we saw each other once, like once a year, you know and so when this stuff was coming out i'm like what does he mean like yeah

Speaker 4 but now i can see with all this time and everything that's been revealed of like yeah like it yeah and you should have been thinking that there was a lot of times when like when we were hanging out at michael's a lot and we were just and like there was i i always felt like what like man we like we're all hanging like we got the same for like we should be closer there's something there's

Speaker 4 and it's funny that you say like you know i always used to just see you as like i just thought you were so cool like i thought you were the cool it's like dude i honestly like i would think the same thing like i'm like oh i'm not cool enough to like hang out with josh like oh no he's you know i'm not like i'm not funny or i'm not this

Speaker 5 he thinks i'm this and always like we were doing the same shit when we really should have just been like bro want to go grab some pizza and like right play some video games yeah yeah crazy wow how about that wow unbelievable unbelievable unbelievable I will just say quickly, because I've been thinking the fact that everything that was happening with Brian Drake was in between the Amanda show and Drake and Josh, which I did not know.

Speaker 5 Well, the

Speaker 4 legal and police process, that's what was going on between that time.

Speaker 5 The fact that you were able to then go on Drake and Josh and do what you did.

Speaker 5 Again, you don't need to hear it from me or from anyone, but you're just an unbelievable actor because that show was so unbelievable. It was so funny.

Speaker 5 The way that you're describing it is not a unique perspective on it. The two of you had such unbelievable chemistry.
And being an obese teen, I would look at Josh and I was like, oh, I'm Josh.

Speaker 5 Like that was like, it was me. And I would look at Drake and I was like, Drake, you are so, like, so cool.
Like, it's like hearing you two talk about it, like, that is the perspective of the viewer.

Speaker 5 That is exactly what it was. And that's why that show is in the cultural zeitgeist forever.
So to hear you guys talk about how you wish to leave it behind is so crazy to me. And I get it.

Speaker 5 Like, I get why you would want to to move on with your careers and do other things, but like for the millions and millions and millions of people, both nationally and internationally that love that show, just know they will always love that show.

Speaker 4 Well, that's something that, well, there's two things. Like first, seeing the audience grow through the years has been just absolutely incredible.

Speaker 4 I mean, when we were on the show, it wasn't even like we were on a show. It was like, oh, if we're at Disneyland or somewhere where there's kids, like we'll get recognized.
Okay.

Speaker 4 And then when the show, like it just, but I don't know, because streaming or because nostalgia or what, but like every year, it just seems to be getting bigger.

Speaker 4 And now, and, you know, and I travel around and I just, it's, it's amazing the impact that the show has had and still has on a young generation and on a younger generation.

Speaker 4 And it's starting to become one of those shows that is,

Speaker 4 it's like, like what you were talking about with the theme song.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, yeah, I've made an iconic theme song. It's iconic.

Speaker 4 To an iconic show

Speaker 4 that we thank you for, you know, the theme song wouldn't be the theme song if we didn't have the show, you know?

Speaker 2 And what's it like in Mexico? Like, because you moved to Mexico, right? Like, what's

Speaker 2 that? Seems amazing. The love of Drake and Josh in Mexico?

Speaker 4 It's unbelievable, bro. You have no idea.

Speaker 2 Tell me more, Drake Campania.

Speaker 4 It's unbelievable. Because, you know, we were on like normal TV.
You didn't have to buy cable. You know, I run into people that were like, oh, you were on Nickelodeon.

Speaker 4 Oh, I didn't have cable growing up. You know, but in Mexico, we were on Channel 5.
We were like on Watch of Friends or Seinfeld. You know, know, it's like we're on normal TV.
So everyone watched us.

Speaker 4 We weren't a kids' show. Yeah.
You know, we were, the teenagers watched us. The kids at college watched us.
The parents, you know, the families at home watched us.

Speaker 4 It was like, it seemed more like a friends or a Seinfeld. So it's okay.
For example, there's a place called Veeps. It's like Gadenni's, okay?

Speaker 2 Or an IHOP. Sounds good.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 4 it's Mexican IHOP, right?

Speaker 2 No. Say less.

Speaker 4 So it's

Speaker 2 basically delicious.

Speaker 2 You know about this, Roby? You know about this race? Beeps?

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 4 the menus for the children's.

Speaker 4 I have copies. I'll show you.
Cool. The menu for the children's menu is us, bro.

Speaker 2 What? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, it's... Residual.

Speaker 2 Where are the residuals? Dude, the pen. Ben, can you do something? Where are your residuals? I don't know what to do.
Hearing that you're on the bottom. You're on Fox 5 of Mexico is making me sick.

Speaker 2 But you know we're a game boy game yes we're a game boy game do you know that we're a board game what do you know that we're clue oh yeah oh yeah i've got it i have a cop i have a i have it it's

Speaker 4 yes and i i sign it all the time at meet and grease but it's because it's out of the us so there's no right they got nothing they take it all i mean the bandaid i mean i if you thought it was bad you know it's a band-aid it just said but no so we had uh unbelievable we're on the we're the menu you know back in the day

Speaker 4 back in the day we were in, like when you buy Doritos, you buy whatever, and you open them up. Like the little prizes inside is us.

Speaker 2 Like, it's

Speaker 4 levels beyond

Speaker 2 that you couldn't even understand. Did you sign? What was in this contract?

Speaker 5 We need a copy of the contract.

Speaker 2 This is insane, man.

Speaker 4 It's, I mean, it's,

Speaker 4 it's unreal. Walking.
Like, you couldn't imagine what it's like stepping foot in because the show was that they just loved the show.

Speaker 2 It was awesome.

Speaker 4 did you go to the middle east and for like a meet and greet for a super fan oh oh wait okay so there's two story well you might be talking about two stories okay so one i was walking down rodeo drive with and ran into an old friend and he's like hey what have you been doing and i'm like hey what have you been doing he's like oh i'm hanging out with the prince of brunei he's like his dad's like the richest man in the world he's the sultan of brune

Speaker 4 and i'm like oh that sounds fun he's like ah yeah it's his birthday you should come with us I'm like, okay, see you later.

Speaker 4 Three days later, I get a phone call. He's like, hey, you still down to go to that birthday? I'm like, in Brunei for the prince? Like, this wasn't just like a Larry David stop and chat.

Speaker 2 Like, what?

Speaker 4 He's like, yeah, you get your passport number and send me it over. I'll get it all handled.
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 4 So I said it over. Like three days later, I'm on a first-class flight with Pamela Anderson, like all these people

Speaker 4 going to Brunei and hanging out with the prince for

Speaker 4 a week and getting taken around and that was a crazy trip man we're taking I'm taking out where

Speaker 4 he goes where would you like to go the mall or the movie theater and I'm like oh well I don't you know whatever what's cooler he's like I don't know I take you to the mall you know whatever you want to do I'll take you wherever you want to go I was like oh let's go to the mall okay I could have said I want to go to the grocery store I want to could have said show me your ice cream shop right I'm like yeah let's go to the mall It took us like 15 minutes to get to the mall, maybe 15 minutes.

Speaker 4 By the time we got to the mall, the entire mall had been evacuated.

Speaker 4 there were SUVs completely surrounding like black SUVs parked bumper to bumper all the way around.

Speaker 4 A red carpet from the entrance of the place rolled out and our SUV pulls up and he like opens a door and it's just like mid-conversation. Like, I know, isn't that crazy? Like, come on.

Speaker 4 Okay, so here's what, and he just like steps out on the red carpet. Like, it's just nothing.
Like, I'm like, so if I had said the bowling alley,

Speaker 2 all this would have been at the bowling alley? Someone's like almost about to roll a 300. They're like,

Speaker 4 it's crazy we go put in ted drink i'm coming yeah we go we go we're so now we're in the mall and he's like if you want anything just let my assistant know and they'll buy it for you you know what's so pretzel are we talking in answer no we're talking about like bootleg dvds but in the mall like as if better better like it would be a sam goodie but it's not it's like black and white like printed like bootleg yeah yeah yeah it's semi-good yeah

Speaker 4 so anyway we're we're walking around and he goes if you want to buy anything just let my assistant know and buy it for you. And I don't know if I said it or he said or something.

Speaker 4 He's like, ask him because I hate to carry cash or something like that. And I was like, oh, why do you hate carrying cash? He goes, because I hate seeing my dad's stupid face.

Speaker 2 My

Speaker 2 God.

Speaker 2 I was like, what? And he's like, yeah, it's like every time I pull out the money, he's like, hi, dad. Hi, grandpa.

Speaker 5 I'm like, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I'm like,

Speaker 4 okay, I'll never understand that, but that's cool.

Speaker 2 But yeah, he's like, he's like, yeah, I just, just, it's just like, oh, okay.

Speaker 4 So I just, I don't like to carry cash.

Speaker 4 I was like, that's just, that's just a different world. But anyway, so that was a crazy trip.

Speaker 2 We're sleeping on this, Ben. Can you imagine Brunei guys? We go to a

Speaker 4 really, really cool trip.

Speaker 2 Say it again, Ben. I said, it's almost as good as Chai Guys.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's going to be our Indian pop-up Chai Guys. Chai guys? Oh, I like that.
That's good.

Speaker 4 And then the other one was I got, I did a show in Switzerland, in Gestad.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 So I get to Gestad.

Speaker 4 And if you, have you ever been to Gestad?

Speaker 2 What do you think?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I summarized.

Speaker 2 Is there a courtyard Marriott in Gestad? Because if not, no.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So you ever been to the Jersey Shore?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 Have you ever been to the airplane?

Speaker 2 Why am I in Gestad?

Speaker 4 Because I got some random phone call because someone liked the show.

Speaker 2 Fair enough. I'm sure you, you know, that's why I got you.
I'm sure you have crazy experiences like that. Larry King called me once.
That's it. No way.
The only, I didn't go. No.
Sorry, Larry.

Speaker 2 So I love the suspenders.

Speaker 4 I'm in Gestad, and it's this crazy place where

Speaker 4 billionaires, it's like, it's like Sun Valley, but... for rich people.
Sure. And Sun Valley is for very rich people.

Speaker 4 But for the people who can't afford Gestad, go to Sun Valley. But so it's this crazy place.
It's a tiny little town. It looks like a a snow globe.

Speaker 4 And I got called to get for my band to come and play a birthday party for a 10 10 year old birthday party. And I was like, okay, well, here's what we got.

Speaker 4 They flew my entire band, which was my full band. So I had the horn section, everything.
So it was like a nine-piece band. My tour manager,

Speaker 4 I don't know who else was on the crew. And then flew us out to

Speaker 4 Switzerland. We got on, we landed, went to the hotel.
It was like a Bond movie, this city.

Speaker 4 It was like you open the door to the hotel and people are playing like bacharach in tuxedos and gowns and like we looked like Casino Royale, you know. And

Speaker 4 we actually had to go change our clothes. The guy was like, you can't come in this, in the hotel like that.
Luckily, we had our stage clothes. So we went and changed.

Speaker 4 But yeah, so it was just, and then we get there, we go in to play the show, and it's in like this like little ballroom. And it's us and

Speaker 4 seven or eight kids that were, he was turning 10. So around like between like, you know, seven and 10.
And then like his dad, so maybe like

Speaker 4 10 adults. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Wow. And a nice, a nice payday.
And we had to, oh, dude.

Speaker 4 He was like some oil baron from Kazakhstan.

Speaker 2 That's so cool. That's such a good bat.

Speaker 2 You're like, as long as they don't get indicted for war crimes, this was worth it. Yeah, well, no, I mean, he was just some oil guy.

Speaker 4 He wasn't like, you know, he was.

Speaker 2 They're all oil guys.

Speaker 2 money is green, Jonas.

Speaker 5 Money is green.

Speaker 4 But yeah, it was a good, it was, it was an astronomical payday.

Speaker 2 It was a stupid payday.

Speaker 4 But the crazy thing was, after the show, which by the way, we, I mean, we put on a full show where like kids roll, I mean, they were rolling, you know, it's like we're at the science center with our kids.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That was the audience.
They're rolling around. They're picking their nose.

Speaker 2 They're, they're like, you know, it was the wildest thing.

Speaker 4 But then after the little boy comes up, he goes, Oh, thank you so much for performing at my birthday. And I just wanted to give you this as a gift from me.

Speaker 4 You know, thank you, you know, as a thank you. And I'm like, oh, thank you, you know, and I open it up and it's a watch, you know, and I'm like, oh, that's, well, that's cool.
Nice watch. You know,

Speaker 4 I don't know anything about watches, you know.

Speaker 2 Casio.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And so I go upstairs and I'm like, got the watch on the desk and I'm just like doing things.
And I'm like, I wonder what that is. Like, I'll just, you know, Google it, you know.

Speaker 4 So I open it up and it's a, it's a Hublow.

Speaker 4 I've heard of it. Okay.

Speaker 4 It's it's a Hublo Big Bang. It's like 32.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna look it up. I'm looking it up.
I'm looking it up. I don't know.
We're looking it up.

Speaker 2 How much is the Hublo Big Bang? What's it called? A Hublo holy shit? Yeah, Hublo. Holy shit.

Speaker 2 Hublow holy shit.

Speaker 3 These range from the cheapest that I'm seeing here is like $10,000.

Speaker 3 No, it goes to like $46,000.

Speaker 2 It was that one. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And so

Speaker 4 I open it and I see that he just gave me a $40,000 watch. This little boy.
Wow.

Speaker 2 You know? So I open my door.

Speaker 4 I'm running up and down the hall. I'm banging on all my

Speaker 4 band's doors, you know? I'm banging on the doors. And they open the doors.

Speaker 2 They're like, what? What? I go, that kid just gave me a BMW.

Speaker 2 I'm like, what the heck?

Speaker 4 And so, you know, and what I ended up doing with it, which was amazing and so smart, is I was playing pool in Vancouver and it was, you you know, it was bothering me. I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 It was, it was, it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 And so I took it off and I put it by my jacket. And when I did that, I forgot that it was a $40,000 Hubla.

Speaker 2 Sure.

Speaker 4 And I don't have that watch anymore.

Speaker 4 Because someone came along and snatched it up.

Speaker 2 Better.

Speaker 4 Bastard. But I mean, I don't, I don't, I can't, I don't deserve to have something that expenses.
I don't need to have things like that.

Speaker 2 Wow. Wow.

Speaker 5 Josh, do you want to go on a trip to the Galapagos with me?

Speaker 2 Do you mean the Galapagos proper or the Easter Islands, which are only accessible by the Galapagos? Josh, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I just want to go and see beautiful islands, something rainforesty, me and you. We're going to take in all of the wonderful animals, the sights, the sounds.

Speaker 5 We're going to bring our S25 Ultras and we're going to take some gorgeous ultra-wide shots of this beautiful scenery. Doesn't that sound unbelievable?

Speaker 2 It does sound unbelievable. And also, Galapagos is the name of my friends who owned the diner in my neighborhood, the Galapagoses.
Anyway. Do you know why?

Speaker 5 Do you know why I'm thinking Galapagos, Josh?

Speaker 2 You're going to die. What?

Speaker 5 Last night I get a text from my mom. Ben, I just booked a trip for me and your father.
We're going to the Galapagos for 11 days.

Speaker 5 There was like something on like a, you know, those like random emails that you'll get that's like,

Speaker 5 now for $17.99, you can get an 11-day trip to the Galapagos. They booked one of those.
It's the two of them, 25 other people going to the Galapagos.

Speaker 5 I just hope they come back, but I'm going to send them with an S25 Ultra so they can take all those gorgeous pictures. Imagine Bruce in the rainforest.

Speaker 2 Imagine Bruce in 200 megapixels. Listen,

Speaker 2 if you don't send them with a Galaxy S25 Ultra, you're not a good son.

Speaker 2 Because the truth is, is they're going to be popping this thing out of their pocket and they're going to be getting some of the most iconic shots you've ever seen. I mean,

Speaker 2 let me just ask you, I have like DSLRs at home. I have like really proper, big, nice cameras.
They're not 200 megapixels like this camera.

Speaker 5 This camera is sick, Josh. This camera is sick.
Sorry to interrupt you. Continue.

Speaker 2 No, there's no 50-megapixel ultra-wide lens. It's like, and it's the size of my head, which is not small.

Speaker 5 These phones are it. And all I can picture, my dad climbs to the top of a mountain.
My mom takes a nice ultra-wide picture on that gorgeous 50-megapixel lens. You see his hair blowing in the wind.

Speaker 2 You see the iguana.

Speaker 5 I don't know if any of this is indigenous to the Galapagos. You see an iguana.
You see a small monkey, maybe an orangutan. It's fantastic.

Speaker 2 Well, they're going to need a 50-megapixel ultra-wide lens. Why? Group shots.
Them and these 30 other yentas are going to want to remember this for the rest of their lives. They will.

Speaker 2 Oh, that was so good. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 5 The S25 Ultra is an unbelievable phone with an unbelievable camera. We're talking ultra-wide, 50-megapixel.
We're talking 200 regular megapixels.

Speaker 2 So many pixels. It has a 200-megapixel camera.
And what I'm excited about is we've been talking about setting up a subscription model for the pod with us doing episodes that are random. They're weird.

Speaker 2 They're random. They're like...

Speaker 2 What's that emoji?

Speaker 2 Random. I wish you guys could see the way my wife's looking at me right now.
Anyway,

Speaker 2 the truth of the matter is, you know me.

Speaker 2 I'm Christian Carrion over here. I don't check.
Okay. I have no room for equipment, but I have room for this, and it's all I need.

Speaker 5 So if you want your Galaxy S25 Ultra from Samsung, go to Samsung.com right now.

Speaker 2 Ben, do you have any other questions before we go to What Are You Nuts?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and if you don't want to talk about it, we don't have to. I just wanted to know, as it relates to the other court case, is there anything new there? Is that totally closed?

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, that's done. That's unfortunately.
Yeah, that's all done. There was one thing I did want to say.

Speaker 4 It was, oh, when we were talking about the 10 years of not seeing each other and I was saying that there were two things that I had noticed is when I came back to do when you asked me to be on grandfathered.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It just flowed.
It was just like so natural. I was just like, oh, that was really cool.
When I left and I was like, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 That's what, when I try to explain this to people, like that was it right there. Like I came in, did our thing.
It was so simple. Boom, boom.

Speaker 4 We had some, we were trying, there were some lines that they were changing for the button, changing the joke, doing this, there.

Speaker 2 and it was like that doesn't happen with everybody you work with you know yeah i think you know and i i'd be interested to hear your thoughts about me but i i i feel like you're the best i've ever seen you and i i'm just extremely excited about you know what you have next and all the great things you're doing.

Speaker 2 And I think there was like, and you talked about it in the doc, like, I would love to know if there was like an aha moment kind of thing.

Speaker 2 Cause, you know, you talk about in the doc, you went through this trial and you had a little boy and like sort of all these life events and i think you did you go somewhere to like kind of work on some of these yeah i went to rehab in nashville um what drove you to that cumberland heights i you know honestly i think it was just like exhaustion and and just being at just nowhere else to turn like just feeling like a rat in a cage like just ex just feeling like I couldn't do it anymore.

Speaker 4 You know, it was just so.

Speaker 2 Because you were going through it publicly.

Speaker 4 oh everything was public man i mean it's just crazy you know and yeah so it got it got hard and you know i was i just had my son my you know

Speaker 4 things were going on with my in with my marriage and it was just all happening at the same time and all publicly and and all of that and i i think that i just got to a point where i was like i don't know

Speaker 4 what to I don't know how to do this. Like, this is just something I don't know how to do, you know? I I know how to survive.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, I've been doing that my whole life.

Speaker 4 I feel like I've

Speaker 2 needed to just survive.

Speaker 4 So I knew I could do that, but I didn't know how, you know, you can survive, but you could survive and have made really bad choices and you could survive and end up somewhere not too great or, you know, die or whatever it is.

Speaker 4 And so, yeah, I just was like, all right, I know I'm going to survive. I know I'm going to be all right.

Speaker 4 I know I'm not going to be like that headline, but I don't know what the hell is going on or how I'm going to navigate through this or how I'm ever going to do what I love again or be a father or be the, and it just became this like,

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 4 I had to go somewhere where I got there. You know, I went, it was like this battle where I was like kicking and screaming, no, I don't want to go, but I know I have to go.
And

Speaker 4 then finally I got there and I

Speaker 4 it was beautiful. It was Nashville, Tennessee.
It's just rolling green hills.

Speaker 4 The most beautiful, you know, Johnny cash went there and they like built a wing for him and there's this just this like peace and it was just trees and silence and rolling hills and a lake and like and it was the first time for so long and i didn't even realize it that i i i walked out

Speaker 4 i'd just gone through all of my like intake

Speaker 4 So I was just like kicking and screaming through that. I was like, I don't know.
This sucks, you know. And finally, I like get my papers and I walk outside and I see where i'm at and i just go

Speaker 4 and it was the first deep breath that i'd taken in i don't know how long it was this like sudden

Speaker 4 oh my god

Speaker 2 that's what this feels like yeah it's gonna be all right you made the best decision you could possibly make It's gonna be cool.

Speaker 4 And so then through that, it became, I don't know if you've ever gone to like a place where you're like, you know, it's militaristic, you're stuck, like you're, you're following the rules, you're in there day in, day out, 30, you know, however long, 30, 60, 9, whatever it is.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you, it starts as a battle and you're just like, F the staff, F the authority, F this,

Speaker 4 do what you got to do to get out of here. And then stuff starts clicking, starts making sense.
You start vibing with some of the guys. You start hearing their stories.

Speaker 4 You start going, wow, like, wow, I'm not alone in this. Cause that's the number one thing is you're like, you don't get me, man.
You've never been, you've never, you don't understand.

Speaker 4 Don't, don't try and help me. You don't know how I feel.
You don't know my pain. You've never experienced what I've been through.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the power, the power of me, too. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And then I'm sitting there around my, all these guys in a room, and I'm hearing how this person went through this and this person went through this.

Speaker 4 And I'm going, okay, first of all, I'm not alone. And second of all, damn, you guys are pretty ballsy and brave to share your experience.

Speaker 4 To share your experience in this room with strangers. And, and then we all became brothers, man, and we bonded.
Like I've got a show in Nashville coming up.

Speaker 4 A bunch of my, they were coming, you know, and it's like, that was no more of a battle. Like I was excited to go to class in the morning.
I was excited to make my bed.

Speaker 4 I became the mayor of the, of the cabin, you know, I, I, like, I, I became the guy that was, you know, and, and,

Speaker 4 and that's, you know, before the, the rehab, I, I had said no to the documentary over and over and over and over and over.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 4 I was not going to be a part of it. I hadn't, I didn't want any part of it.
But after rehab, when I came out, I was like,

Speaker 4 let me see your, let me see what your angle is here. Let me see, I'll talk to you guys.
I'll start entertaining this idea because maybe, you know, because I felt really good.

Speaker 4 I felt, you know, like, wow, this is maybe sharing my story will help me and maybe help others.

Speaker 4 And maybe, you know, and I didn't want to have my story, I always thought of, I didn't know if I was ever going to really say anything, but I would think about it a lot.

Speaker 4 And I would think, well, if I ever did, you know, what is it going to just be like on a podcast? Or is it going to be like in an interview that maybe some people read?

Speaker 4 Like, what would be the platform that I would have to like ever like, you know, get on Oprah?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 like, Oprah comes back for us. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 4 But I didn't know what platform. So when I was like, maybe this is, you know, maybe this is all kind of the way it was supposed to

Speaker 4 work out. That if you were ever going to tell your story, like, here's a platform, here's a way to get it heard and to make make it not be meaningless.

Speaker 4 And, and that's, and so, so that's why after, after the rehab, I was like, you know, all right, maybe this is my time to, my opportunity to do this thing that I never thought that I would ever do.

Speaker 2 When I went into my first 12-step meeting, I remember a guy said, you know, you didn't tell me what was wrong with me. You told me what was wrong with you.

Speaker 2 And I identified. Because for so long, I walked around going, I think too much, I feel too much, I hurt too much.
And if you had my head on your shoulders, you'd drink too. Yeah.
But you don't. Yep.

Speaker 2 So, and it wasn't until I walked into a room of other people who, who think and feel and hurt and drank and did the way I did, but they weren't a, they weren't a glum lot.

Speaker 2 They were people who had lives and families and careers. And I was like, oh, thank God.
Yeah. I'm not alone.
Right. Because this thing, trauma, disease, addiction, it wants you alone.

Speaker 4 That's all, that's the number one thing is

Speaker 4 you are alone in this. And that's what was going through, what I was going through all those years was, you know, and

Speaker 4 with the stigma that everybody is, it's going to hurt my career.

Speaker 4 Even if I like, even though I know that I'm the one that's the victim here, and is this going to be, you know, but you all, you still think that you're going to have, you know, it's like, it's like, I mean, and it's crazy, you know, things are coming to my head.

Speaker 4 I'm, I'm, I,

Speaker 4 a little bit, just because as I'm talking, a lot of things are coming back, but it's like what you said about, or no, what I, what I was saying, having the thought of like doing the pilot and you're like uh

Speaker 4 i know that this thing's gonna come out and this is gonna happen and

Speaker 4 am i is josh gonna be pissed at me because this might affect the show and like this is it and i'm like and like we look back as like adults and as parents is like first of all that's a ridiculous thing to think but also like how like what a bummer like and what a strain like that without my even realizing it and with obviously without you knowing it or realizing it, starts to put wedges and strains on our relationship moving forward.

Speaker 4 And as adolescents and us, it's like we think like, oh, he's just too cool to hang out with. And I'm like, oh, he just, you know, he doesn't think, you know, he, whatever.

Speaker 4 It's like we're thinking the, like,

Speaker 2 for each other.

Speaker 4 We're thinking for each other when really it's like, shit, like Josh is going through a lot.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, and, and especially in those years where we were, where we were visibly, you know, like, like, bro josh like hey like i've been through some shit but hey slow down you know and you're probably like drake like come on bro like we work on tuesday mornings like get you like what i don't know why it's it's 6 a.m and you're calling me to go meet you at a thing i i don't i don't know what you're doing are you okay like season four and five yeah

Speaker 2 but uh but even like just without that like just the stuff that we didn't even realize was like yeah you know i think in there and impacting all of it no i think you know I really, I give a lot of credit to the documentary and for what it did for not only us, but for the zeitgeist for the world and for people watching.

Speaker 2 And I think, and you talk about it really well on the doc, like the details of the trial that you went through and then you coming out of that and going, I don't want to speak for you, but just being like, this behavior is.

Speaker 2 at the very least reckless. Like this is getting me in a place that I don't want to be.

Speaker 2 And if I don't face these things, this cycle will continue. Totally.
And giving you credit for facing that stuff and going to rehab. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, I mean, watching you throughout the years too has been a big inspiration because it's like, you know, you, you, you know, being in this industry and being around, and also just being in that world of like, you know, the 12 steps and all of that.

Speaker 4 And, you know, you friend of Bill, you know, that whole thing is like, you know, you're watching people.

Speaker 4 And I, and I, you know, I don't want to sit here and it's easy and you're not going to fall and you're not going to slide back.

Speaker 4 And, you know it's it's a day-by-day thing you know it's you know yeah but you know it's like you know i watching you has been inspiring because it's like you know you really stick to your shit you know what i mean like

Speaker 4 you know you do uh i don't know it takes a lot of will you know because i've gone through this a lot of similar things and i know you know it's not fucking easy yeah but yeah you just always like you're like i'm gonna do this and this is what my decision is how i'm gonna be and what i'm gonna put in my body and what i'm not gonna put in my body.

Speaker 4 And like, now just pep it. And you kind of do that.

Speaker 4 And it's like kind of wild because a lot of people do that for some time, you know, and then Friday rolls around and they're like, I don't feel sick anymore. Let's go drink.

Speaker 2 I'll be California Selda. Yeah, like exactly.
Yeah. All these dispensaries that call to me.
Ben, do you want to hit us with a what are you nuts?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay, last question.
Watching the documentary, I think a lot of people. looked at it and were like, okay, there's one person that seems to be missing from this.

Speaker 5 And that would be Amanda Bynes, where everybody sort of watched her and then very publicly saw a very different version of her.

Speaker 5 I'm just curious, were you close? I think, were you close on the Amanda show? And when was the last time you were in touch? Like, are you in touch with her at all?

Speaker 5 Have you been in touch with her over the last 20 years?

Speaker 4 I, I think I told you about this.

Speaker 2 I randomly talked to her like,

Speaker 4 it was 2017, maybe? Maybe around 2016, 2017, 2018.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's around that time.

Speaker 4 But it was like, I randomly messaged her. Like, I was like, just like, she was in the news or something.
And I was just like thinking about her. And I was like, oh, I'm just going to message her.

Speaker 4 She'll never see it. She'll never respond.
And then she responded. And we like messaged back and forth a little bit.
And then that was the last I talked to her.

Speaker 4 But, but no, I, I mean, other than being on the show, and you know, she was an idol to me. I mean, I grew up on all that.

Speaker 2 One of the most talented people

Speaker 2 ever. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And when I got to audition for the Amanda show, she may as well have been Rachel on Friends. Like, she, like, she was the biggest thing on the planet to me.

Speaker 2 She's the man. Come on, Olivia.
I know you loved it.

Speaker 2 Fantastic. I've seen her like, see her like every two to three years, we'll run into each other.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's just the greatest. Yeah.
She's, she was great then. She remains great and such a good person.

Speaker 2 And obviously has had some sort of, some public struggles, but I just think she's got one of the great hearts and great skills, great talent. I mean, anyone there.

Speaker 4 That's all I've ever experienced with Amanda was just like this dynamite force of nature when it comes to like just talent, you know, watching her was like watching Carol Burnett was like watching this, you know, who's the other, Tracy Ullman, you know?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 5 All right. Our what are you nuts moment, Drake, is people, places, and things, gripes with humanity.
You're walking down the streets of Mexico and you're like, what are you fucking nuts?

Speaker 5 What are you nuts?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 4 So there is this, and Rovi, you have to help me with this because I don't know exactly what they say. But every morning, there is this loudspeaker that goes through Mexico.

Speaker 4 And actually, did you see Amelia Perez?

Speaker 2 No, no. Suspended luck.
Okay, I did. You know, at the beginning,

Speaker 4 when they say that when they have the thing with the smoke coming out, they have a, and then they have the speaker that's like, I'm one of the matches.

Speaker 2 But what they're saying is they're like, refrigerators, mattresses, chairs, da-da-da.

Speaker 4 We buy these, you know, like, so there, and it's a a truck that's driving around and they pick up like old mattresses and refrigerators and everything, but it's so loud and it starts as soon as the sun comes up.

Speaker 4 So you'll be just like sleeping and everything's all like, and then all of a sudden you'll be like, refrigerator.

Speaker 2 And you're just like, oh my, and it goes

Speaker 2 and just all through the city.

Speaker 4 And you're like, so that's one thing that I could, it's weird. There's this like kind of like love for it where it's like, if it stopped, I'd be like, oh, like, I miss that.

Speaker 2 Like, that's like, reminds me of Mexico.

Speaker 4 It's like, gives me the feeling of Mexico, you know? But also it could stop.

Speaker 2 Fair. Yeah.
Fair. Ben, what? What do you got?

Speaker 5 That's nuts. You know, when you're, you're in a restaurant, you're walking down the stairs, right? You're going to go to the bathroom.
It's downstairs. And you see coming up.

Speaker 5 There's a mother and she's walking her five-year-old up the stairs one step at a time. Not five.
One step at a time.

Speaker 2 you're like do you really need to teach your daughter how to walk here you have to teach her right now how to walk up the stairs there's very narrow I'm walking down can't you do it in your own house what are you nuts teach her to walk somewhere else

Speaker 4 now having my son I do see that sometimes where I'm like this is the pick him up and walk moment like yeah can you move

Speaker 4 pick him up like you can pick them up and go like that's they love

Speaker 5 parents love doing it parents love doing it on airplanes too oh yeah like we're boarding an airplane now you're gonna teach her to walk pick her up

Speaker 2 you're boarding the plane it's so nuts

Speaker 2 my what are you nuts moment is i have friends of mine who live in the san fernando valley the beautiful san fernando valley and they've you know born and bred in los angeles and the other day they were like we're moving to nashville i go I didn't know you loved Nashville.

Speaker 2 They go, we don't.

Speaker 2 Nashville, Austin, Boise, Palm Beach. God bless them.
This is not an indictment on them. But these people are just moving there blind.
Yeah. They're just like, fuck it.
Fuck it.

Speaker 4 I had friends move from,

Speaker 4 they were like, we're getting out of here. We're going to Austin.
We're done. And like, we're out.
And I think it was Austin. And I'm like, cool.

Speaker 4 They get to Austin. That's when they had that crazy winter and everyone got frozen out.
So they're

Speaker 4 literally moved into their house, were there for a week, and then they were in a hotel and everything was frozen over and the power was gone.

Speaker 2 And everything

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, you poor people. I'm like, oh,

Speaker 2 it's not that bad, is it? No.

Speaker 4 But no, it's Nashville. It's in Florida.

Speaker 4 All my friends are gone. That's why I'm like, I spend most of my time mostly in Mexico and Florida now.

Speaker 4 And I'm barely in LA because I was sitting at my house every time, you know, I'd come back from Mexico or Latin America or wherever I'm touring.

Speaker 4 And then I'd sit at my house and I'd be like, I have no friends in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 They are all gone. I'm like, Thomas went to Fresno.
Will went to Nashville. This went to Texas, went to Florida.

Speaker 2 Went to the, I'm like, I don't even have anyone to call.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's crazy. If I want to hang out with someone, I got to fly.

Speaker 2 What's income tax here?

Speaker 5 What's income tax like in Mexico?

Speaker 5 All I know is between Mexico and Florida, you must be saving a pretty penny.

Speaker 4 Oh, it's slow.

Speaker 2 It's quite low.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, man.
The good guys. Let's go to Mexico City next.
Oh, Diane ago. Oh, yeah.
Ben, take us home.

Speaker 4 On the road.

Speaker 5 Drake, first and foremost, thank you so much for doing this. It was an absolute pleasure.
I wish I was in person, but it was an absolute pleasure.

Speaker 5 You're amazing, and I'd love to just give you an opportunity to plug really anything. Like, of course, we can find you on Instagram, but you're touring.
What else is going on?

Speaker 1 I have a new record out.

Speaker 4 It's called Nonstop Flight. Yeah, you guys can check out the new music video.
I kind of relate. That's a pretty heavy, cool video.

Speaker 4 But yeah, we have got some videos that we've released from that record, and I'm on tour right now. But yeah, check out a non-stop flight.

Speaker 4 It's available anywhere you stream and not in physical copies because it's too expensive and nobody buys them anymore.

Speaker 5 Okay, good to know. Well, five stars, Drake and Josh, and kind of Ben.

Speaker 2 Five stars.

Speaker 5 Otherwise, what are you nuts? Listen to us wherever you get your podcast. Watch us on YouTube, Josh's YouTube, share our clips, Instagram and TikTok.
Mondays and Thursdays, folks. Drake Bell.

Speaker 2 We'll see you guys in the next video. We got to do so much.

Speaker 4 I felt like we could be here for four hours, but open invite. I don't usually, you know, I am a little dressed up, but I do have somewhere to go after this.
So I have this.

Speaker 2 It's fair.

Speaker 5 You look amazing. We're doing it again.

Speaker 2 We'll run it again.

Speaker 4 This will fit in there. So it'll be all right.

Speaker 2 But yeah, we got to do it again. Do it again.
Love you, Ben. Love you.

Speaker 4 I love you, Ben.

Speaker 2 I love you, Drake.

Speaker 2 I love you, Drake.

Speaker 2 So good.

Speaker 2 So good.

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