Episode 458: Volume Eating Secrets: How to Eat Massive Portions Without Gaining Weight

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All right, welcome to Fitness Friday with Lerun as my partner in crime.

Again, thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Okay, you know what?

Let's just talk.

I want to talk about just overall like food and fitness and all the things.

Okay.

I'm a volume eater.

Do you know what that means?

Yeah.

Oh, you do?

Okay.

I mean, I can suss it out.

Okay.

Well, I'm going to say what it is for people who don't know.

I love to eat.

I love food.

I love, I think about food all the time.

I like talk about food all the time.

And because of that, I like have to like eat big, like, I love big portions.

And so I have to be very cognizant of what I eat.

So I eat like massive salads, like out of a horse trough, right?

And love let like tons of lettuce.

I used to do that.

Cause you know, it tricks your brain to feeling and to thinking that like you're eating a lot of food.

And like it lets your brain kind of catch up with your stomach in a way, right?

I'm not great with just eating like steamed vegetables and a piece of chicken because I'll gobble it up in like four seconds and then it's gone.

And I'm like, even though I know maybe I, maybe I am full, my body, my brain doesn't tell my stomach I'm full.

So I'll want to have seven more chicken breasts.

And at the end of the day, it's calories in, calories out.

Yes, not 100% that in terms of like, but it pretty much.

Well, I mean, that's true.

There's just more, more to the story than that.

Yeah, there's more to the story than that.

But you can overeat healthy food is my point.

You can overeat healthy food.

Like people are like, oh, you can't get, you can't gain weight from just eating, you know, blah, blah, blah.

But yeah, you can.

Like, I know, because, like I said, I'm a volume eater and I eat really fast, really fast.

I can, I can like slam down three pounds of grapes in three minutes.

And people are like, yeah, yeah, sure, you can, blah, blah, blah.

I can.

Yeah.

I can eat a watermelon in like four minutes.

And that's a ton of sugar, right?

So yeah, it's not as same as eating a Mars bar, but it's the same concept, right?

So I, I try to like kind of like, I have all these like strategies and like tricks for my brain of like what I can eat because I like so much food in terms of like that that issue.

What if there was a better way?

What's your better way?

Tell me.

I'll tell you some of my tricks, okay?

What I do.

Okay, tell me a trick.

I sip on like bone broth or chicken broth.

Oh, oh, can I just intersect it?

No, let me, you asked me for my strawberry.

No, no, no, no, no, but this is on your point.

I see it right now.

I'm looking at it.

I see your little bone broth in the corner.

I do that because

a hot beverage takes longer to drink than a cold beverage, which is why I don't love having smoothies.

That's clever.

I don't love having smoothies because

I can drink a smoothie in four and a half seconds and be starving.

So that does not work for my archetype.

It does not work.

But if I had like a

hot bone broth, it will take me at least 30 minutes or so.

So that's one strategy.

Big volume salads.

That's why I have these horse trough salads.

Big, big, big tons of lettuce.

Another trick.

I do love to have food that's very well done because it takes longer to eat.

So you get your steaks well done.

Steak well done for sure.

Wow.

Yeah.

But like I said, even I love steak, but I need to have, I have to have it on a bed of lettuce, even with my vegetables on the side, because I will gobble it up.

Like that's why I said, if I just have steamed vegetables and and just a piece of meat, it's not going to satiate me.

Well, clearly, something you're doing is working because you're in great shape.

Yeah, but I have all these tricks.

I make my breakfast in the morning.

I also think it's really important when you have a volume eater and you have big appetites, you got to plan ahead a little bit, or else

you'll get yourself into a bad situation.

I have the same breakfast every morning.

I make these eggs, but I make it into a pancake with cheese, and I make it really well done.

So I'm like, it's like a whole, I'm eating it like as like as part of,

what do you call it?

It's like, what's the word?

You're trying to slow down your eating.

Well, no, I know that, but there's a word.

Like if I'm cutting my food and it's taking me more time.

Mindful?

Being more mindful.

Okay, fine.

Because I eat big portions, I have to be careful of what I eat and how I eat it.

Okay, what are you going to say?

What if you had a better way?

What's your better way there, buddy?

I've been like this my whole life.

You're going to tell me, okay, tell me.

Look, what you're doing is working to a point like you're in good shape and therefore

you're gonna be yeah so you're gonna be a little bit less motivated than someone who is completely it's not working at all you know you know someone's 100 pounds overweight they're gonna be more motivated to find a different way in your position you are barely you know you you are in good shape but My philosophy is very, very different than the traditional fitness philosophy.

I think that way of seeing food, which is really, you have to, to, I'm talking about the fundamental philosophy of it.

The idea that we are programmed, and this is nothing special about Joan Cohen, because everyone

has this same issue.

Yep.

That we are programmed to be fat slobs.

That our genetics.

I'm programmed to be a fat slob.

Oh, no.

By the way, that's like, I say that all the time.

Like, if just give me one good reason and any moment, I would

be people out there very upset.

No, I am programmed.

No, they shouldn't be upset because

if I can do it anybody can do it because I love food I love like my favorite thing in the world is pizza chicken fingers french fries watching Netflix like be if I could be a big fat slob trust me I any excuse I would do it okay but I've trained my brain let me get around to the point but if this was up I want to say this I've trained my brain to know that that's not going to get me to where I want to be so I have all of of these methodologies in place to prevent me from going down that road.

And that's why exercise has been my savior because that was the keystone habit that

changed and reconfigured how I think and basically reprogrammed my brain.

Now you can say what you're going to say.

You sure?

Go ahead.

Are you ready?

Yes.

So this idea that You are wired wrong, okay?

That you, your brain, your body, your taste taste bars are all wrong that you want to eat the foods that are fattening that only delicious foods are fattening and all fattening foods are delicious and so on and so forth and that every like dieting in particular and being in shape has to be a struggle i used to think that way i used to be that way and i looked not that different from i look how i look now but in the past few years my whole kind of it was a big paradigm shift that's not the way we're wired actually our

what our wiring is perfect.

We do crave the foods that are healthy.

We do crave the foods that are good for us.

We can be in optimal shape, meaning your best body, and eat the foods that you like and enjoy your foods.

And you really don't need discipline.

Now, that's a 180 on how the fitness industry sees things.

Let me tell you something.

I don't agree with a lot of that.

I think that, I mean, that's not true.

I can agree with that to some extent.

But I do think that it's not like, this is not like one size fits all.

I think everybody's brain is wired differently.

And it will come down to what your goals are for you and how determined you are to achieve those goals.

And I think you have to rely on not motivation, but discipline.

And because of that, you got to build your discipline.

So I think that for me, I think the thing is because I force force myself to do all these hard things that I don't really necessarily want to do, but it's now trained me to have the discipline enough so I can keep on going day in, day out, even when I don't want to, because the outcome is much better than what it would be otherwise.

No, I do get that.

I do get that.

I'm just saying that is going to be successful up until a point, but there is something beyond that.

And I agree.

And I've tried these things.

Like I've tried what you said, like they had this thing, you know, the big thing was like, you have one day where you eat whatever you want, and that doesn't work for everybody.

If I have that one day where I can eat whatever I want, and when I do, I become like a massive pig.

And once that, once that, that train has left the building, good luck.

It's really hard to kind of wheel me in.

So, I feel it's better to, yeah, I do it.

I, of course, I do that.

Don't get me wrong.

I do it all the time.

But I have yet to, I'm just being, I'm talking real talk here.

I find it really hard to have that over that mentality that you're saying that, oh, yeah, you know, like, if we are, we should just be like, like, oh, yeah, like, if we don't deprive ourselves, then we won't want it as much.

And I, I get all that.

This is like, I do this on my podcast every people say it all the time, but I don't think psychologically that actually

some of those people are bullshit, right?

Some of that is bullshit.

Some of that is this kind of hippie, sort of progressive, you know, like, oh, we're just we have to feed our inner child, and it's this like really overly emotional, like, bollocks.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Okay, what are you talking about?

Fundamentally, what I'm talking about is like, chemically, our bodies are craving nutrients, and until we get those specific nutrients, our bodies will crave and ask for more and more and more.

And you can eat.

Oh, that I agree with.

You can eat till your gut is split over.

You're right about that.

And unless you're getting these key nutrients, you're not going to be sated.

So

going with your satiety and finding ways to

satiate yourself, right, is the best way to stay lean.

No, I agree.

That's 100% true.

You need nutrients.

So I'll even say things like, I used to do this, like have fat-free frozen yogurt instead of having ice cream.

That doesn't work.

Have the real thing all the time.

You will eat less.

That's another strategy of mine.

Like, don't try to like, don't try to short circuit or hack it by saying, I really want ice cream.

So I'm going to have this fat-free frozen yogurt, because you'll never feel the same satisfaction and you'll still be craving what you're craving.

Also, our bodies crave fat, right?

And if you take the fat out, they're replacing that fat with sugar, which is actually does your body worse harm.

You will not be able to keep up a zero fat, zero sugar, zero salt.

Oh, I agree.

That to me is that, by the way, that's not one of of my strategies.

I think I eat like full butter.

I eat, I, I'm now actually going back.

The pendulum now is swung where I was drinking almond milk all the time, thinking that was the right thing.

I'm now going back to whole milk because to me, it's much more satiating.

Exactly.

And it, what was it?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

No, I.

The real thing.

I agree.

That, that to me is like, that is 100% true.

We were kind of saying different things.

I just got, I just was on my little ivory box there talking, yelling at you.

okay but that's true but it's a key thing for people to understand like fundamentally like starting you know your starting point is going to dictate your finishing point like if you start with this idea that you're not a fat slobby piece of

and that you're you don't have to fight your body constantly and you don't have to suppress yourself

You need to understand that's not enough, right?

That that isn't enough.

You need to understand the details.

And so there's much more to learn about about nutrition and fitness and health and so on and so forth.

Of course, there's a lot to learn.

This, this episode wasn't about the science behind it.

It's more about the fact of like human nature and sometimes how we're just,

we're wired.

And I think it's like even people like people look at me and they're like, oh, you're so fit.

Oh, you're like this, like you love to work out.

You, you work out all the time.

Okay, I do work out a lot because I love the feeling afterwards, not the feel.

I don't love the feeling before.

It's so important.

I love the feeling afterwards, and I've now trained my brain for the delayed gratification.

Biggest mindset shift that people who are struggling to get into fitness and get working out need to have that mindset shift that you just said, where instead of thinking about how you feel when you go to the gym, you feel about how you think about how you feel when you leave the gym.

And if that's your focus, you'll never have a problem.

No, it's always, I never focus on how I feel before.

Never.

I always focus how I feel after.

That is like the number one

mentality shift.

Mentality shift.

And it works every time.

Every time.

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Okay, guys, we got to wrap this.

Right.

Real quick.

Oh, yeah.

You asked me, you asked me a couple times about my bone broth.

Oh, you're so cute.

Thanks.

You brought this for me?

This is homemade, yeah.

Wow.

And this, what a great

bits and the chunks in there.

And we just talked about bone broth totally

like

it's like destiny

like spontaneously.

Well, I hope you like it.

Thank you so much.

You're very welcome.

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So thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.