Episode 366: Aliia Roza: Former Russian Sex Spy Talks Betrayal, Military Corruption, Emotional Resilience, and More. Pt 2.

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So you flee Russia.

Where do you go?

First, after Russia, I flee to Turkey.

Turkey?

Yeah, Turkey.

Turkey.

Okay, why Turkey?

Because no visa situation.

Like, you don't need to have visa as a Russian citizen.

So that was my first.

And how old are you at this point?

I was 22, 22.

And you're, oh my God, that's so young.

So, all of this stuff happened when you're like literally a baby.

Well, baby for you, but for us, well, no, that's but that's a study, right?

Like, it was like 18, get the hell out from the house, work and do your own stuff.

Yeah, it's kind of like we were adults, you were very adult

at 18.

A man in Russia have to go and serve in the military for two years.

So, that's exactly when they said, like,

when you're 18 and you go to the military and you serve, and maybe it will be a war, whatever, then you come back being a man.

That's what they say.

This is kind of like a tradition, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's also in Israel, you have to go to, you've got to go to the army, and women too, yes, and women too, exactly.

So, wait, so, okay, so 22, so basically, you flee.

Do you speak any case at this point?

You said they taught you languages?

No, they actually didn't taught, uh, well, we learned a little bit English, but just a bit, but not much, okay.

So, then you learn the languages later when you were going other places, yes.

Okay, so you go to Turkey, and now you're 22 yes and where do your parents think you're going my parents so okay so that was um a time where we didn't speak with my parents because they my father didn't like

and he basically didn't so we kind of like we had this like really bad situation in our relationship where they stopped talking to me so we we didn't speak with each other for like for quite a long time why why didn't they speak to you because my father wanted me to be an agent and work in in the military and I kind of like disobey him and as a you know as an Asian kind of like Muslim woman I always had to obey man and that was the reason why I couldn't stand for myself and said basically no or like beat the crop out of all these like rapers or whatever because I was completely like numb and it will be in the second part of the podcast where I actually started to stand for myself after and then it got me where I was like almost to my death.

So I couldn't speak with my dad because they kind of like ignored me as a daughter.

So

I lost connection with them at that point.

So I was doing what I was doing.

So could your dad never knew you're in this secret elite sex pionage thing?

Sex pioneer, no.

He knew that I was doing some missions, but he was highly.

You see, like, wasn't he happy about it then?

Oh, yeah, he was happy because like everything was presented to him as,

look, I was the best student.

I I got the diploma as the best gun shooter I won competition I was like I got my high ranking much like I went like you know like you you get ranks over time so I got like the second one very fast so it was like wow it's a privilege he's he was very proud and then something happens he doesn't understand exactly what happens and do you remember that part when my parents kicked me out from the house because the major as a blackmailing kick she called my parents and she said i'm a whore i was dating this commander who was 30 years old that was that was the moment yeah so from that moment i didn't speak with my parents so whatever happened with me afterwards they don't know right so they because that woman told your parents yes that you were sleeping with the commander yeah and your dad and they were very upset with you yeah because she presented it in a way that i'm kind of a whore and i like seduced this this poor guy right and like you know i took over and he's married and he has kids and she's such a whore she's doing that you know for and i'm like, so I couldn't say anything, I couldn't like explain.

So I was kicked out from my house and I couldn't speak with my parents after that, neither with my sister.

So I didn't move with you.

You moved with the guy, though, I thought, didn't you?

No, I didn't move with the guy.

He rent from me a place.

Yes, he rent from me a place.

And then when he passed me over to another commander and I said basically him to fuck off, that was the problem which I had later.

So just so people understand what's going on, because I know that if people didn't listen or know, so when things went awry with you and the commander, right, who you seduced to have on your side so it would be easier for you, when he fell in love with you, proposed, like you said, you kind of just like try to pacify the situation.

That woman, the woman teacher, found she was living with him too.

She lost his sleep, yeah, she was his lover, yeah.

She told your parents, and you were you lived at home still.

I was living in the dorm in the academy, Yeah.

But yes, I was kind of like in, I mean, I was with my parents, but I was like, when I was in the academy, I was there.

But I mean, physically, yes, my belongings and everything, I was with my parents.

But when she told to my parents that I'm sleeping with a 30-year-old older guy and I'm doing all these horrible things, my parents didn't really understand.

My father wasn't home that time, so I couldn't really explain.

So my mom, like, she kind of like been really,

I think, like, she lost this.

She started to beat me up.

And

she said, you're no longer our daughter.

Like, get, get out.

And I just, I just left without anything.

So I didn't know where to go by that time.

I came to one of my friends, my girlfriend, but she

kind of like, well, she also was a kid, so she couldn't really help me with staying at her place.

And

I asked that man, the

commander, commander, the kind of lover the time that I need your help.

I'm kicked out because basically because of you.

And he put you in an apartment?

Yeah, he rented me, he rented for me like an apartment, and I stayed there for a little bit till I found a permanent place to stay.

But you know what, between us, I still think that it was all set up, to be honest.

Because look, he knew about my parents.

He wanted to take over and control me more.

Okay, he had this intention to propose me.

Okay, so he simply could ask the major, like, call her parents and say this, so she would be kicked out and she'll come to me.

Right, right.

So I'll have the total control.

I don't know what really happened, but I mean, I think that what's the truth.

Even though the girl was, I thought the woman didn't like you because you were sleeping with her.

Yeah, she didn't like me.

It's a fact.

But again, I don't know what kind of relationship did they have.

Yeah.

That's what I'm saying.

Like women have to unite and support each other, not to be like opposite.

And I was trying to explain to her, but she never let me to explain myself.

Yeah.

I mean, I agree with you, but unfortunately, I think women are very sometimes

supportive up until you're until your competition.

And then when the competition is like, I was in the competition, that's the whole thing.

Like, I was like, listen, I'm in the same shoes.

I don't want to be with this guy.

Like, he raped me and he took over and he's like doing this.

Like, what can I do?

I don't want to be like used.

Like, I don't want my body to be used by all this single guy there.

Like, right, like, I, and I don't want to be like living your life.

You're getting older, and you have no private life, you have no kids, you have no family, you have no one in your life who really loves you.

You give all yourself to the state, to the government, for whatever system, for no reason.

And then you're destroying our lives, like the young generation's lives.

Instead of helping us, you basically putting us into this manipulative world.

Like, why don't you want to help us?

You know?

Yeah, but that doesn't matter.

They don't care.

No, unfortunately.

So then, okay, so then you're living in the apartment.

Then, when all that stuff goes awry, are you living in that apartment when

the

last

target or last thing happened where you were that who was paying for the apartment when he broke up with you?

Yeah, so basically, well, I had salary.

Okay.

It was enough to cover.

So I had like really shitty apartment to to be honest, very cheap.

Yeah.

It wasn't something like lavish.

I mean, everything forever people see in the James Wood movie, they're like, oh, did you also have such a glamorous lifestyle?

I'm like, seriously.

Hello.

That's a movie, guys.

Yeah.

Wake up.

Yeah.

So I just rent like a very small studio, kind of like very, very small, tiny.

So I had enough money to pay for it and also money to pay for my expenses, like food and all the stuff.

So I didn't have a car or something like that.

I was just using bus.

And then

when the criminal uh leader appeared in my life, then I had actually a very glamorous, I would say, lifestyle.

That was the first time when I saw all this like, wow.

Now, who how did that happen?

Was it because the criminal was that your mission to become a girlfriend on the Russian side?

Okay, so how long did it take to become his girlfriend?

Okay, so that actually took a while.

So that's coming back to your first question in the beginning when you said, how long does it take to make someone to fall in love?

This this takes time if you really want to get relationship like solid this takes time and it's not enough just to be like you know flirty and uh

confident whatever no we really set up the guy like that was a really good manipulative strategic setup how did you do it okay listen to this if you wanted to yeah

I mean, like, it's a lot of work, though.

That's how we, I mean, we still, it's your story.

We want to know it.

Okay.

So we found out, so we established Nobledenia.

Nobledenia, when you spying on someone 24-7, so you basically spy on everything the target does.

Everything.

Where does he go?

What does he like?

How does he talk?

Everything, like everything.

So for like about two months.

Me and together with my team, I wasn't by myself.

We were spying on him.

We found out that he was

and obviously we need to find out about his private love.

So, of course, he used a lot of like kind of like prostitute and all these escort girls, you know, just like whatever in the club.

But he really was in love once when,

as I mentioned, when he was in high school, it was his sweetheart, and the girl that time she was coming from Central Asia, which is similar background, you see.

So, it's like also we kind of like had

sort of, I mean, like, there was a reason why they placed me also into this role because i probably was like closer to his type you know everyone has a type so they were dating and then he went to the army at 18.

so the girl i mean usually this is like girls waiting for boyfriends and then when the boyfriend comes they get married so this didn't happen so when he came back she already got with another guy so she started to date someone else and it broke his heart.

Oh, wow.

Then moving later, he became a criminal, blah, blah, blah.

And he became this, like, you know, violent criminal gang guy, whatever.

Right.

But what we did is basically we created, you see, like what you can do, you can create around your target a virtual reality, his dream land, a dream life.

How do you do it?

You can manipulate the whole environment by creating these certain signs which will trigger his memory without him understanding.

So it's like unconscious triggering.

So what we did, for example, we found a few couples, a woman who would be kind of like similar looking,

very far, but like similar looking.

and the guy who would be younger, like much like 20 years younger,

like him, looking like him, but 20 years younger but the guy would wear a uniform that particular uniform where the russian guys would go to the army so we would put these couples like in different areas where our target would be so for example if we would go to the restaurant he wouldn't like look at them straight but on the back of the eyes like of the gaze he he would notice unconsciousness would notice this couple so in the first time the couple would be just like you know hanging out, like kissing each other, like basically creating like a pure love almost.

Then a few times like we repeated that.

Then another

time, another day,

very similar couple would be

where they kind of

she would be pregnant, like I mean,

pretended that she was

pregnant.

And the guy was with her, blah, blah, blah.

So it's kind of like next step of the relationship.

Then another day, another place, another time, the couple would have a little baby.

So they would be holding the hands with the little newborn baby in the carriage and all that, like, you know, kind of like happy family, kind of.

So slowly we were preparing his mind, not even his consciousness, but his unconsciousness into that dream relationship, which he never had.

With the woman.

With the woman he was in love once.

And the one that he was seeing it with did she look like the woman they look like kind of like central asian all that you see like there in in soviet union there were a lot of uh countries like uzbekistan tajikistan kazakhstan azerbaijan and all this stan stan stan yeah women there they a little bit like asian looking they're not like particularly asian so i'm asian looking but i'm not like that asian asian yeah you're

asian though i don't you do yes yeah i do exactly so all these countries they actually do yeah look like a little because like you know the neighbors such as China and Iran and all this, like, of course, it was an influence.

And also the Chingis Khan, the Kingis Khan, was such an influence to all these nationalities.

That's why they're like Asian looking.

Even like Russian ladies, like Russian women, they have like high cheekbones, even though they're blondes and blue eyes, but still they have like high cheekbones.

That's the influence.

Yeah, that's what you look like.

Yeah, that makes sense to me.

Yeah.

So then you guys, what's that technique called?

It wasn't like a particular name or something.

It would be just like environment manipulation.

So it's basically when you, you know, you can create the whole this virtual reality.

So how long did it take time-wise?

It took a while.

It took a while because all the preparation and all that, I mean, of course, like I had a good team to prepare all that.

I wasn't doing this by myself.

But my role that time was to observe and learn as much as I could about him because when I had our first meeting, our first interaction, I had to be so prepared in order him to like me in the beginning.

And it was so important.

You know, this moment when you meet someone

and you have like, they say, like, butterflies in your belly, and you have like this bubbling something like sparkling inside of you.

That's what I had to create inside of him.

Emotions.

That's what man wants, and everybody wants.

They want a real emotion, a real touch.

Everybody does.

I mean, I guess so.

Yeah, I would think so.

So how long from the first date until you guys became a relationship?

So the one number one technique, and I always tell it to everyone, and that's what was our thing.

Never ever sleep, have sex.

with your target if you want to build long-term relationship with the target.

It could be like, you know, your future husband or your future boyfriend whatever if you want one night stand of course like go ahead and just do it do whatever you want straight away but if it's something which you want to kind of like build and create like for the long term never on the first date even if you like so of course i was playing i was flirty and all that so the first time we met we like i just went home and then we were like having this like um text messages kind of like conversation text back then i had like uh do you remember nokia of course nokia of course yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember yeah i had that little fun that's yeah little fun yes so how long how long were you guys back like like how long were you the whole game yeah the whole game took me about a couple weeks but we went for that's not very long that's not very long but it was intense so we we saw each other quite often so i was kind of like playing this you know this girl two Two weeks only, then you move in with him?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The first intercourse, the first sex.

Oh, oh, oh, okay, okay.

Yeah, so a few weeks, like, we had this kind of like dating kind of thing.

Then we had sex and then move in, it was, I would say, in about like a couple months.

And how old?

So, how old was he?

He was

45.

And you were 20?

I was 19.

You were 19.

Wow, okay.

And so, how did they find out that you were a mole?

That's a very long story, to be honest.

But also, it is very complicated, very, very kind of like connected to different single parts.

So, okay, I'll try to make it simple.

The commander, the second one, who was my direct commander,

who was that gross, disgusting man whom I said no,

who sent me to this deadly mission.

He was the one who wanted to get black cash to be basically bribed

by the criminal gang, which actually gave money to cover the criminal whatever cases, whatever they were doing activity to another government person.

So this commander wanted to get money for him.

Okay.

Okay, so he wasn't getting anything.

So that's why he wanted to do the whole setup.

Got it.

Okay, to do that, he had to somehow rid of the main leader because the main leader was paying to another guy.

See, so it was the whole thing, the whole kind of like operation where my commander basically was doing that, not because of saving the country from the drugs and sex and human trafficking or whatever.

He was doing this for his own benefits for getting money out of that.

Got it.

I understand that.

And so, okay, now when you flee the country,

so then you get you get him killed.

Yes.

Not me, though.

I didn't kill him.

I know.

That at least something I didn't do.

You didn't kill him.

You get him killed.

You flee the country.

You go to Turkey.

Now what?

How are you making money?

Who's protecting you?

Are you alone?

Nobody protected me that time.

I was by myself.

Money, I had some savings and before Vladimir's death, the criminal leader, he gave me some cash as well.

So I saved it.

I was in Turkey first, then I met some people and it's all about networking.

So he gave me a bunch of, before his death, he probably knew, he gave me some of the names who would help me.

I contacted them when I was already in Turkey and then they helped me to move into next countries, Greece.

Oh, how long were you in Turkey for?

Just for a little bit, like

a few months.

Oh, and then you go to...

I didn't even have visa there.

Okay, so then how did you get?

So then you go to Greece and then are you on your own now trying to build your life?

Yeah, I was by myself, basically.

Well, kind of like, you know what?

Did they let you go, the Russians?

Do they say goodbye?

Or how did it end?

Like you just flee without them knowing or how did it go?

They would never let anyone to just go.

Oh, you know what?

I changed my mind.

Bye.

I know.

So what did they say to you?

Or you just left?

You didn't tell them you're leaving?

All right.

I'm telling you right now, the most big spoiler, but I think, like, you know, if people will listen to the podcast, therefore, and they would not understand something, then they will come here and will understand

basically what really happened.

So, when I was working on the last operation,

I collected a lot of secret information, the information which is basically revealing the whole corruption system on my commanders that time.

Okay,

yeah, so all of them basically.

They all were connected.

They all were bribed and they all got some money and everything.

When we were working, when I was working on the last mission, I got all this information.

Got it.

So I had it and I didn't release it to anyone because when all this mess started, and some of my colleagues also were killed because it became a mess.

I kept everything for myself.

But, and then when I realized that my commander was involved and actually he was the one who started all this, you know, mission, I came to the, so basically I was called to the main general of the whole ministry and I told him, I said, this is what I have, including your name.

Do you want it?

I can show it to someone else.

Right.

So of course he asked me, what do you want?

And I said, I want my freedom.

But he said, listen, you're one of the best.

Why don't you stay here?

We give you much high ranking.

We give you much more salary.

We give you, you know, a great apartment, you know, like a government apartment.

We give you everything you want.

We send you to vacation, wherever, but you stay and work with us.

I mean, am I so stupid to like continue doing that?

Of course not.

And I said, no, absolutely not.

Like, I want to get out.

And then we were

basically,

You know what?

I would say he didn't want to do it, to be honest, but then I kind of like manipulated on his

love to his own daughters.

You see, it's also part of like seduction manipulation and art of communication techniques where I asked him, like, do you have kids?

He's like, yeah, I have two daughters.

like one daughter was my age and I said like do you want if you would want your daughter be on the missions like I was do you want her to be flee like to to set her free or you would want her to work in the system so it's kind of like i think like that moment he kind of like understood and maybe he put me that time because of my age and everything into her kind of shoes and maybe he kind of had this uh maybe parent feelings i don't know but it really helped me and that was the moment when he said all right but you have to leave leave the country ASAP, like ASAP.

So that was my ticket to my freedom.

That's how I did it.

And so, wow, so then you.

I just gave everything to him and, like, I get the fuck out of there.

That's all.

So they technically did allow you to leave?

Well, they did allow me to leave by exchanging all these things.

All the information.

They didn't say, you know, you're, you know, have a nice life.

They're just like, if you give them the information, they'll let you go.

Yeah, of course, I don't have any evidences on anyone.

Right.

and so then you go and then how do you start making a life for yourself slowly and your parents aren't talking to you at this point no by the way is your mom both parents alive still yeah they're both alive they live together happily married thank god and do you talk to them now i do of course i do like then we established again our relationship and i actually started to see them in turkey so they would fly to turkey i would fly to turkey and they would we would see each other there oh you would okay yeah because because I go and I don't go to Russia.

Right.

You can't go to Russia.

You can't go to Russia at all.

You know what?

Like, I probably can, but like, the question is, like, why do I want to risk?

You know, like, what's the point of risking my life for what?

It doesn't make any sense.

Why do I need to be there?

Right.

So then you've never been back to Russia?

No.

I was at the point before 2009 and then I completely left.

And then, wait, so what year did you leave?

Completely.

Like, after 2009, I would say like 2010, and I completely left.

Like, I never came back okay so wait you left 2009 hold on yeah so because you know why because my son was born what who yeah by the way that was who is the father to this to your son

that's a whole other thing that's another story that that's that's most I think you know what military gave me kind of like a knowledge and foundation of like being I would say not like strong but being kind of like focused maybe but what happened after that completely,

it's just

it was the most difficult time of my life.

I would say, like that.

The most like military was difficult, but not that much as that time, because that time it was just a disaster.

And what, like, what you mean?

The point, the part when you, after you left and you had to figure out your life?

Well, the father of my child, that the tragedy would happen with him and my whole family.

You see, I thought that I quit, I can start my life.

I'm still very young, right?

I was like just in my 20s and beginning.

So I thought like, I'll just pretend this never happened and I'll just start to live like from the clean paper, you know, just like nothing happened.

And I was dreaming of having family and three kids, a house, two dogs, you know, and having this house.

Traditional.

Yeah, and I wanted just to be a wife, a wifey, sitting at home, raising kids and like being like this wife.

And then they just didn't let me and i i lost the only one hope for this life and i never actually had this experience and if you ask me now would i want to have it no because it's already too late i gave up wow wait wait a second so wait so

wait what year did you flee russia okay so my son was born 2009 He was born 2009.

Yep.

Okay.

So

that time when I was pregnant, for the whole of my pregnancy, I was in Switzerland.

I lived already in Switzerland.

You left in 2000 and okay, wait, wait, wait.

No, no.

I left earlier.

Okay, what year did you leave Russia and you fled?

So completely, completely gone and never come back, never, ever, 2011.

No, the first time you fled to Turkey.

Oh, it was 2005.

Five.

Okay.

Yes.

Then you go to Turkey, then you go to Greece.

Yeah.

I mostly lived in Europe, but I would go to Russia like maybe just very like, I don't know, a few days.

And they let you come in and out.

I never had a problem with the Russian government.

It was the Bafia doctor.

I was a mafia guy, but I would never go and be like public there.

I would go do my little things and go out.

And then you, okay.

So I mainly lived in Europe.

You mostly lived.

Okay.

So then who's so when you went back in 2009?

Okay,

why were you going?

Just to see your family?

What was the reason for going?

Like, what would be

kind of to see my family as well and my son actually so I was thinking that I would give a birth my of my son in Switzerland who's a dad though I still have no idea it's like pulling teeth over here with you I mean god oh my god dude I mean

gosh who is the father of this child it's hard to say oh my gosh

okay so you don't know I'm so sorry no no no it's fine I just want you to tell me so I don't need to be honest with me so the father is that is dead yes, but you don't know who it is I know but he's that okay, that's like the whole another story That's a whole okay, but he's not a criminal or he is a criminal No, he wasn't a criminal.

He was not a criminal

You don't he might be a criminal.

You're not sure.

No, no, he wasn't as much as I know he wasn't did you meet him in Switzerland?

No, I met him actually in Turkey.

Oh in Turkey?

Yeah, that's how all these things got together.

Yeah.

And then that's why actually I was like they are living there and then I met him and then it's all kind of like got together.

So you know who he is, obviously.

Well,

of course.

I mean, well, so what does he do?

What did he do?

Who was he?

He was very connected to the Russian government as

one of the, I would say, you know, like this oligarchs type

having Russian government kind of like premises.

And okay, so you know what is after 1991 when a lot of criminals they started to privatize the government land factories lands everything basically like whatever it was that was the time when a lot of oligarchs appeared but before they were just guys and then they would find a way to privatize all these government premises for just five dollars for example right

and then after putin became a president blah blah blah the country became stronger and econ economically stronger yeah then apparently these lands became like

you know know, worse fortune.

Then all these oligarchs appeared out of blue, like Berezovsky, Abramovich, like Deripaska, and all these big names.

Right.

And was he a billionaire, this guy?

Well, not that time, no, not like a billionaire, but he was working with like big names.

And so what happened,

all these oligarchs, like not all, mostly of them, they started to invest money, Russian money,

into European or other countries' businesses.

They would buy lands, houses, villas, yachts.

Yeah, that's how, yeah, their yachts are everywhere.

Not anymore.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, not anymore.

And that was the time of, let's say, golden time of Russians.

They would go to like Monaco and Saint-Tropez and like give tip tip a waiter for like thousand, five thousand dollars.

Yeah, that was the time.

That was my time when I got out of the military and I was involved into this world a bit, kind of like as a as a what?

Well, as a as a girlfriend that time and as a future wife and whatever.

Were you like a hooker back then?

Were you like, were you trying to be like, were you kind of like an escort to these guys back in Turkey to make a living?

No, no, no, no.

No, no.

I was pretending that I was like in a few operations when I was back into the Russian military, I was pretending that a couple missions, I think like, not like, I think, I I think it's a seventh episode where I had the first mission and the target thought I'm a prostitute because I was sitting alone in the bar and I was like, it's actually really good for me because he would never understand that I was an agent.

So I was kind of like a prostitute.

But in fact, no.

The Vladimir story,

I was introduced to him not like an escort or prostitute.

I wasn't introduced to him as a kind of like just a go-go girl.

You know, like the girl who would go to the club and just

like just like this like student kind of like

club girl yeah like a fun club girl fun

girl like just hanging out like and like you know student whatever right so i was introduced to him this way right okay so it was perfect legend later on when i met the father of my my son i was uh basically introduced like i was not even a teresa i met him by myself it's just like we were in the same um hotel so we were staying in the same hotel and we were kind of we just like met each other in there, so we kind of like we never were introduced, it was just like a normal meeting, so not like escort or whatever, but it's just was it a total coincidence?

It wasn't planned, no, it wasn't planned, right?

So it was like you just didn't know exactly who is he and what does he do?

No, nothing, nothing, it just like was, I guess, a destiny,

yeah, right, right.

And what is so, what did like, so who was he?

How old was he?

Was he older?

He was, uh, yeah, of course, he was older, he was that time 36

and um

he was good looking and um i mean you know young good looking ambitious driven like a regular guy yeah i would say like you know why not it's just a

handsome yeah

guy like yeah so where did he die from okay so unfortunately the problem is that i could never make a professional autopsy because they never allow me.

It's like you heard about Navalny deaths

so some of the poisons over certain time over especially after like after like three days a certain poison can dissolve in the body and you would never find out what was the reason the person died from

and when this happened to this guy the problem was that I knew because I I did my own investigation.

So on the cameras, so I left him just for one hour.

And when I came back i saw on the cameras after like all this happened i saw on the cameras that he was approached by two men wearing black i couldn't see their faces because obviously they would come from behind so cameras would not spot their faces and they had a conversation or something and they had a sort of like small fight where

i

think

I think that he was either poisoned through the mill or you know like there's like certain injections you can easily like inject, and like you feel like straight away, feel really bad.

So the problem was that he

went to the hospital, and then the hospital, when I spoke with the doctors, they said, yes, he has like a big poison, but we don't know what is it exactly.

So they couldn't estimate it.

In one hour, he got, he died.

like literally in one hour.

So

I

couldn't make like straight away the autopsy, even though I persuade them to do that.

Yet they didn't allow me to do anything.

So they were waiting for another like five days.

And then after five days, when because like, oh, it's a weekend, it's this, it's that, blah, all the stupid reasons.

So eventually when they did it, they said, oh, it was like basically heart attack, blah, blah, like the blood flow, like all this bullshit, another bullshit, you know, like tell me like how like a young guy absolutely healthy can die at like the age of like 37.

It's not possible, right?

And like that moment, I was already uh, so the FSB guys, the agency, I mean, the one we are used to, oh, work and all that.

So, the what does it stand for, FSB?

What does it stand for?

FSB, it's a federal security bureau,

security organization.

It's kind of well, like they basically, they're like two.

I mean, like before it was KGB,

which is kind of like the committee of the government security.

Then, after 1991, they divided it kind of like on two organizations and they call it into different names, one which is FSB.

So when I was contacted by them again, asking me to come at the department at 8 a.m.

And

obviously, I understood that if I would come there, I would never leave,

like, you know, in my freedom.

So it was like, you know what?

That was the moment, exactly that moment when I left and I never came back.

That exactly was the moment.

Oh, wow.

So, okay.

So if you, if, when did he actually die like how long were you dating him for, first of all?

For about like two years two years and so do you know now like what do you think the reason was that he got do you think that he get you thought so you think he got killed Yeah, because like the because I definitely know what was the reason the reason was that do you remember the Olympic games in 2014 in Russia in Sochi?

Mm-hmm.

You remember I do so what happened after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991 and all these like oligarchs privatize illegally all these lands and everything.

My former like guy, I mean like my former husband, he had a lot of premises like that in his ownership where

he didn't, I mean like of course they were like partners and I remember all of them, but the problem is that the government basically Putin required all these lands to be back to the government but they've already been owned by like several years by certain individuals and obviously they didn't want to give it back so there was like certain fight between the government and oligarchs and like all this like kind of like businessmen right and during this fight obviously who would win the obviously the government so those who started to fight they either drop that either run away without properties either they would give back so unfortunately my guy at that time didn't want to negotiate right and didn't want to lose at the same time the properties and that's what he his destiny was in the in the end wow okay it's all about money and land and you know properties business so then he died before he even before you met did he meet your son like did he no of course he knew of course because that time i was already pregnant and like uh our son was like one year old when so how when how old was he how old was your son sorry one one year one year when he died yeah he was one okay so now you're a single by the way were you married to this man i no i wasn't officially no it wasn't officially okay have you ever been married yes you have yes who are you married to look i lived in like different countries and I would say, okay, so you ask me why I'm not dating now?

It's because of this reason.

Because every single time I would go and date someone and then they would fall in love.

And at some point,

with all these like relatives or people around us, they would like stand with the knee, with the ring, and propose me.

I wouldn't be able to say no.

So, you just keep on getting married to people.

I was like, still, like, so every single boyfriend I had, I would get married.

So, how many times have you been married?

Five times.

Five times?

Yes.

I know.

I don't know how did it happen?

Like, yes.

Oh my god.

Okay, so

how long was each marriage?

I would say my longest was four years.

Four?

Okay.

That was that would be like the longest.

And the fastest was

maybe like

six months.

The fastest.

And how about this?

When was the last time you were married?

Four years ago.

Four years ago.

But where?

Were you in Europe or

I can't tell you that?

Really?

Why?

Well, it's kind of like connected to like my life nowadays, just because it's all kind of like getting into

what I'm doing now.

So I'm like, I don't want to put like any spotlight on those men because, first of all, they are my friends.

We have really good relationships.

We still speak with, I still speak with all of them.

And, you know, we say each other like happy birthdays and happy Easter and happy Christmas or whatever.

And like we kind of like,

I would say we're still kind of like keeping our good friendship.

All five of them.

Mostly of them, yes.

Okay, most.

Most.

Okay, which ones?

Okay, but they're all in Europe, you said.

Well, in different countries, like some of them, they move, like one is in Singapore, even.

It would be funny.

He would listen, he'll say, like, oh my God, again, you're like, oh, my, really?

Okay, so one's in Singapore, where's the other four?

One in Greece,

one in actually in Russia now.

In Russia?

Yes.

Happens.

Where did you meet him?

I met him actually in Russia before the whole thing.

So before what whole thing?

The whole youth.

So before,

yes, before I actually got into a relationship and everything, I met him and then we kind of like.

So we were friends and then we kind of like started to have sex and then he fell in love and then he proposed.

Wait, wait, hold on.

But this is like you were only

a spy in Russia from 18, let's say, to 22.

Yeah, and that thing.

So, did you meet him before you were 18?

I met him before I moved out to Turkey.

Oh, before you move, okay, yes.

So, how do you have time between all the targets and the operations and the commander that you have to have sex with?

No, no, come on, I never think it was much, much earlier.

That was when I was back into the school in 18.

18, yeah, then, but then you, how long was that relationship for?

You see, like, that's the whole thing.

Like, so with the first husband, we actually been like friends, maybe just a couple months.

No, no, no, the commander.

Ah, commander, the first one who actually like the one that loved you, yeah.

So,

basically, basically, it was like a year because I studied there and I wanted to have my protection while I was.

No, no, I got all that.

But I'm trying to think of all the guys.

So, the commander, when did you meet the girls?

That's for so many guys.

Like, I don't even want to know.

Anyone don't want to remember that?

Honestly, I mean, have you, like, I mean, this in the nicest possible way.

I mean, did you ever get checked for anything?

Like, because they're doing STDs for every single few months, always.

Like, you're lucky that you never got it.

It's not like it's, first of all, you need always to use condoms.

You were using condoms all the time?

Yeah.

I mean, like, no, with husbands, no.

No, I don't.

I mean, just with all these.

No, of course, yes.

Number one.

And second, you know, the funny thing that I don't know, do they have it in America?

Like, so in Russia, they used to have, they still have it.

There is a

liquid which basically protects you from any STDs.

Really?

Yes.

It's almost, they call it like liquid condom.

I actually told this to some people here in America and this is like, oh, we never heard of that.

But it's actually, it's actually really great stuff.

Really?

Yes.

Yeah, I don't think they have it here.

That's a good idea.

I think, you know what?

It's a prototype of.

You should do it here.

They must do it.

It's absolutely.

And you know what?

Another thing is, I was thinking that we had a really great,

very strong vaccination there.

Like, that was a special vaccination, which is

from a few STDs, actually.

Like, one,

I don't know if I say it right,

papilloma virus or something.

Oh, I know what you're saying.

So that the papillope.

Something like that.

So I had like,

while we were there, like working and everything, so we had all this like special, I would say, vaccination, which basically made us almost like a superpower special human beings.

But at the same time, we always protected ourselves.

So like when I say about like this liquid, I would carry this big liquid every single day in my back.

It was like the number one.

So you could spray your all your organs, your mouse, everything, and you always would be clean.

I always check myself.

I never

had any STD.

Wow.

So you would spray this liquid where in your mouth?

Like your mouse, if you would do like the oral sex and your like genitalis.

Yeah, even for men, it all also works.

Now everybody will be like, What is this?

Yeah.

What is this liquid?

I will not tell you because then providable to the merchandise.

You should make, I'm not joking.

That's a good business.

That's a good business product.

It's actually very cheap in Russia.

You know, how much is it?

I'll tell you.

It's $10.

are you joking hundred milligram yeah why don't you bring it to america i'm not you make a fortune let's do it together i swear i would do it i would totally do it together no but seriously that that thing really helped me a lot like and i think like everyone i mean having those

wow i never even heard of that before really

no ever okay so then this guy that you met in russia you ended up marrying him later on in life yes and where is he now in russia again, you're saying,

yeah, he's there, you know, having his life, whatever.

So then, what did you do career-wise?

Like, so now you're just having

relationships, you're like kind of figuring out your life.

Now, what happens?

Do you have like any dreams and aspirations to do something?

Of course.

So the point is that man-a-man, they come and go, whatever, whatever.

I never ever in my life focused on man

as

my sort of income, like source of income, never.

Because this is, I I think, like the most stupid thing for a woman to rely on man as a source of income.

And I always strongly recommend every single woman whoever, I mean, it's great to have a partner and husband, boyfriend, whatever, but you need to have your own income, you need to have your own profession, you need to have your own savings, you need to have ideally your own property where you would know, even if you live together, you can rent it out, you know, and put the money somewhere to your future, I don't know, whatever, trust or something like that, or kids' education, or whatever.

But you know that you have the foundation.

This is number one.

All my life I would save money, you know,

all the time.

And the second important thing with women, and that's what I always do.

It doesn't matter how many times I was married or like how many guys I had or whatever.

Like my main achievement is my not even like I would say like, yeah, I love my son and everything but it's not my main achievement my main achievement is my education so as you asked me before i was always studying and studying and learning new things and always going into different universities and programs and all that because as more skills you know as more confident is more you know, professional you become.

And this would really makes you a different person, a different woman.

Because a lot of women come to me, they say, oh, I want to meet like this wealthy guy.

But the question is, are you that woman with whom he would be like also

interested?

And are you viable for him?

Because you want certain level.

Are you in the same level?

Because if you're not in the same level and you want this level, like there is like, okay, it could be sort of like sex interaction, whatever, but like, what will be the next?

Would he be interested with you talking about like the weather and like bags or whatever, like the food?

Like you, after sex, it always comes to conversation.

What can you deliver?

What can you put on the table?

You see, like I know that I'm by now quite good asset for a man.

They know it too.

And now what I have also that a lot of men get intimidated into because they see that I'm kind of like high level in terms of my knowledge and my context and connection and the way I am.

And this is also like the good thing.

So I'm going and reaching certain level and I

i hope i will never stop and living in different countries i would go to different courses and universities and learn all the different languages different stuff so in london i i got my master degree you know eventually i got my so i in what uh master degree in branding marketing pr so that was my first stop where did you go to school so it is top actually universities because the point when I mentioned I always wanted to work in fashion and I

never had a chance.

So eventually when I moved to London myself, I

got enrolled into this Istituto Morangoni, which is like top five universities in the world in the fashion industry.

And that was my first step where I started to work in the fashion industry and organizing events.

Because I always kind of like, you said about events, like I love events and I found really it's like it became my passion.

So I started to organize events for different charities in London, but the mainly the charity for royal family, the British Royal Family.

And I would invite all these beautiful people and all that, but great sponsors.

We talked about that before.

My sponsors were like Shopart, Rolls Royce, Cartier, and great, great brands where I would bring my

women.

That's how I established my club, Women Apartment Club.

And we would,

it calls like, I call it like just Rosa Club.

Rosa is like my second name.

So it was like in the beginning in London, it was almost like the place where women would come and like have a good time, meet each other and become friends.

Like a social club.

Kind of like a social club, but at the same time, they would buy something, right?

Like, and all this like stuff, they would be like quite expensive.

But the 10% would go to the charity.

And over time, I was doing this for like four years.

Over some time, I was invited to the Buckingham Palace.

Actually, I met Queen Elizabeth before she passed away and King Charles.

Wow.

That was for me a big achievement.

And that was for me was like a wow, you know, moment when I shook the hand of King Charles and I was like, just like and bespoke a little bit.

And I, you know, I feel it as it's just.

great feeling when you came from where you come, right?

Like being

almost killed in Houston, wherever, wherever.

And now you're standing with King Charles and shaking his hand.

Like how amazing life is.

It's incredible.

It is crazy how that is.

It happens, right?

Like

you kind of like, not you.

I'm saying people can really create their own destiny, right?

Like it's, you can't be focusing on what happened to you in the past.

You got to like be super bold and go out, chase what you want.

That's the main thing.

And I'm very, very grateful that you mentioned this.

This is, I think, a lot of people people ask me, like, how did you do it and all that?

I think because, I don't know, is it KGB techniques?

Is it like whatever techniques?

But that's an important skill to do for anyone,

for any person to be able

to leave the past, in the past, and move on into your presence with an open heart.

And I know it's not easy and it's a very traumatic experience, whatever, but I'm not willing to bring that trauma into my present because I want to be happy now and I want to live my life now and experience and feel and just go within.

And I don't want to, you know, bring the negativity and, you know, like this

darkness into my life.

Yeah, I think that being, I think what you're also,

people don't need to be in the KGB or a spy to be resilient, right?

I mean, maybe for you, it taught you resilient, it taught you how to like, you know, have grit.

But, like, it's well known that the most important character trait to be successful, and by the way, not even economically successful, I'm talking successful across the board, is to have the ability to fall and get back up again over and over again and have grit and just keep on going and just be resilient.

I mean, if it takes being in the KGB or being a sex spy or whatever,

I mean, it is, it is your story but i think the big message is like that like whatever happened to you in the past shouldn't define your present shouldn't define your future and it hasn't obviously like so you basically kept on pivoting into like this world of like fashion events yeah all these other things by the way how come you've never written a book this is the next step but why now like why didn't you do it 10 years ago or like 15 years ago because you know honestly like i never wanted to share my past.

Never.

I kind of like wanted to, as I said, like, if they wouldn't approach, if the Russian government wouldn't approach me constantly, and if the Ukrainian war wouldn't start and I would lose like members of my family and see all the suffering, then now we have this Israeli war, which is like the worst thing.

And I now I'm really scared for like even the third war possibly

can come because like because it's too many bad negative energy and like fights going on in the world it's like balance if we are not in balance you know people feel it and then without even us willing but we will have this kind of like reaction

So I hope this won't happen.

That's why I think as soon as possible, we need to do anything to stop at least one war, at least, because we can't.

I mean, like, it's, we cannot afford so many wars happening right now.

It's not just like about paying taxes, but it's about just our balanced energy around in the world.

The book, why I didn't do it like before, like 10 years ago, I will tell you.

I wasn't sure that would be the right thing to share what I'm sharing right now.

And I think like I didn't have power enough before.

You know, it's like when you are not ready.

It's like my son was too young.

I was only one parent.

I was scared for him because he was like baby.

Now he's 14.

I teach him if something happens with me tomorrow, he knows exactly what to do.

And by this time, already, already, right now, I know that no matter what will happen to me, he will survive and he will be successful because I raised him a certain way and I know that he will be mentally stable and he will be okay without me being there.

So now I'm not kind of like scared to lose my life.

Okay.

Before, I was so responsible that they wouldn't even drive fast the car because I was only one parent so now because he's getting stronger older I feel like okay now it's the time where I can be more

you know I can open up and I can I can go did any of the husbands know that you were a spy now they know before they didn't they didn't know when you were married to them I never really shared like I just said that because like you know, you have to reveal certain things when you get married, blah, blah, blah.

So, I actually said that, well, I was working, I was working in the police, I would say, like this, just like a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's all.

So, I never really went into like sex bionar stuff.

I mean, as I said, like, revealing this part of my life, it's actually also cut me off a proper, good,

nice guy to date.

It's a, you know, it's a quiet past for a man too.

But I also would think this, like, do people, do ever, do people believe you?

Because it's a very outlandish, crazy story.

And you get people who are, I would imagine people would be like, bullshit.

Like, this girl stole a shit.

Yeah.

Where's the proof?

Let me see it.

Like, for people who are skeptics, like, what do you even say to them?

Well, number one, first of all, I shared, I always, you know, when any journalist, any, even like Neil, when they come, they always ask evidences.

So I always provide my birth certificate.

That's why you ask me, like, what's your, I can show it to you here if you want to, but not for the camera, because then it will relieve my surname where my parents under their surname.

So the only one thing I'm scared of is actually they

safety because they're still in Russia.

So I always provide my documentation, my archive certificates, my

archive documents where I studied, I work there and everything.

I provide like some photos.

Some photos actually was released in social media already.

But yet, yes, you're right.

A lot of people say it's bullshit.

I don't believe in it and whatever.

But listen, I mean, what can I do?

You don't believe it?

You don't believe it.

Like, I mean, like, I don't believe that Santa Claus exists.

Or maybe somebody they believe him.

Like, I don't care.

Like, you know, it's not for like me proving it's true or not true.

I'm telling my story not for that.

I'm telling my story for like, as I said, like first of all, many reasons, but the main is like to send the message to the female young generation that despite anything, you can still succeed and make your life to be the dream life.

Because I feel like my life can be a great example of living the way I wanted always to live.

I cannot say that I'm completely fully

fulfilled in everything I do.

I still want certain things in my life, but I'm getting there.

I'm working on it.

I'm like, you know.

No, of course.

I mean, listen, I understand everything you're saying, but I just know, like, they're going to be skeptics no matter what.

You could be an accountant at a, you know, at a

company.

Yeah, black and white.

I mean, whatever.

But do you have opinions?

Do people ever like say, like, okay, for an example, like very specifics, like, tell me about poisons?

Like, give me what poisons are you going to use?

Like, you know, can you talk more

in detail?

Like, I know for a book or for a movie,

they would want to know very specific things because they'll be liable if they give you something.

How do you prove it?

Do you just have to name like a bunch of poisons?

Or what?

I actually, yeah, I shared like some of the poison stuff.

I'm just making up.

I'm just randomly.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

Of course, like, so I shared like everything I knew from like poison stuff and everything in the podcast, actually.

So we spoke about that.

But like

real kind of like

things,

I think, like, my

evidence really is my expertise.

Because, as I said, like, I have students, I have certain books.

Yeah, what students?

You keep on saying students.

So, over the time, after like setting up this Women Empowerment Club in London and everything.

What year was this about?

It was, so after I graduated in 2007, I established this club and I started to do these events.

And slowly, slowly, I kind of like created this community of women.

And then slowly, we started to be kind of like, you know, friends.

And they would come and ask me advice about the relationship.

But they don't know

you're ever a safe.

No, they didn't know.

And then when I started actually to share it publicly, they would be like, by the way.

You know, like, you need to help me.

I have this and this and this.

So I do sometimes like private coaching.

I wouldn't say it's like very often.

I do this.

It just takes a lot of my time, which I don't have because I'm very busy always.

But, some certain like women, I do coaching.

But mainly, what I did, so I just wrote down all the techniques from how to make the guy to approach you, like 20 seduction techniques.

If you like the guy and you don't know what to do, how to make him like to approach you.

Kind of like the pickup artist, but for the females.

yes but in intention not just having one night stand in intention to make him to intrigue and fall in love because that's the most important right like i mean anyone can seduce anyone for just one night stand who cares how to make him to come back how to make him to be intrigued how to make him to be interested in you that's the question and the number one yeah you can tease but you never give yourself straight away like okay take me i'm like here for you like whatever because once the guy will have sex with you without building the value first, he will not come back.

And this is the most important thing what I also like share to the young generation because they're like, oh, I like him.

He likes me.

Let's have sex.

And then voila.

He won't come back.

Like before you build that value and his respect, he won't be interested.

He will be like, okay, it's another buddy.

Then another one, another one, another one.

You know what I'm saying?

Now, are you seeing, like, no one's dating anymore?

Have you not seen what's like, look at you, right?

Like, people are not having relationships.

I'm not dating for a special reason.

What I'm saying is, I'm just saying, relationships.

People aren't having relationships.

They're dating.

Yeah.

They're not having relationships because

now with apps, it's like, okay, it doesn't matter.

You're just another number.

Next one, next one.

So it's even more important now

than ever

to have the tools and arm yourself with the emotional savviness and wherewithal to know how do you entice someone to build emotional bond.

That's exactly what I wrote in the couple books, this like digital book,

like e-books.

And I share it in my website today for Spy.

That's so...

No, it's basically like I share it like through my social media or whatever.

And some like video classes where I'm basically explaining how everything works from A to Z, how to meet the guy and also understand this is the right fit for you.

Because a lot of women, unfortunately, they don't understand and they waste a lot of time on a guy.

And then after realizing that it's not the right guy for you, they wasted like a few years.

And it's so important because this is your time.

Time is precious.

It's the only one thing which is the most important in your life: time.

Exactly.

So, when you understand and realize, like, this is the right one, this is not the right one.

So, you kind of like understand who is who, and then you focus your energy.

How do you figure out what's hold on?

How do you figure out like for me?

No, no, no.

If you're going to give people a piece of advice to figure out, to see how to figure out who the right guy is to

target, right?

So you're not wasting your time.

How do you figure it out?

And what is the number one thing to do to entice him?

But you cannot say eye contact.

No, no, no.

Eye contact is only for the beginning,

for the physical seduction.

If a woman wants to understand if he's the right fit for a serious relationship, for example, she wants to get married or she wants to have a partner in her life.

What I do, I always ask about

the man goals and dreams.

It's very important because my goals and dreams has to be similar to his.

Because if we have a different sort of goals,

there is no future together.

What is the future?

Like he wants to, I mean, you know, like everybody has their own thing.

And what he's really, and also sometimes also like, unfortunately, people, men, can say, not

real intention and goals.

So he may lie just to make to present him in a better way you know what i'm saying so he can say oh like i i just want to also it happened to me as well that's why i didn't stay with my ex-husbands because they would say yes i want the same i also want to do impact to the world and then in the end of the day they were just like oh let's just watch watch netflix and let's just relax like the world can wait who cares like you know whatever let's just like do nothing and like live a consuming lifestyle which i cannot do right right And it's just like not in my

DNA.

DNA, whatever.

Like I just can't.

Some people are okay.

Everybody has their own goals and dreams, but this is not my dream.

So I want to be there and I need to fly.

If you're not flying with me, you're dragging me down.

I can't allow that.

So, you know, you'd rather be by yourself and do whatever you want, but let me fly and do my thing because that's my mission in life.

Right.

So you ask that

right off the bat.

Absolutely, yes.

Why would you need to waste your time?

In the beginning, you meet the guy, you ask him, like, what do you want?

What are your goals?

What are your dreams?

The good thing also to ask about his, you know, like when people are real, when they go back to their childhood, that's like a really cool thing because also the brain connects yourself with the childhood memories, which are mostly the most happy memories in everyone's life.

And when you ask, like, when you were a little boy, what was your dream?

So that would be the truth.

Because mostly, like, men would be like, oh, I just want to buy a car, blah, blah blah or a house or like have a billion in my account or whatever but it's all like you know it's all materialistic i agree with you i also think that people say the most trite things like i just want to be happy what does that mean yeah exactly what is your happiness yeah like give me a little bit more everybody has their own happiness exactly i want to be happy that's so that's so like vanilla like give me a little bit more like how are you going to be happy what's your strategy for happiness and what happens when you're not happy Like, so you gotta, like, also, I would add, right?

So you're trying to get go to like some place in their life where emotionally it was a beautiful time when they're a child.

That's a good idea.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Unless they had a bad childhood.

Well, rarely they do, but like when

they had a bad childhood, then you don't want to attach yourself to bad memories, to bad, like, you know, right.

So it's better to kind of like leave that space.

But how do you know?

If you ask that question, when you're talking about that, you ask, like, you know, like when you meet someone, usually how the conversation starts, like, where are you from?

Like, what's your profession?

Like, what do you do you have siblings?

You know, like, you're slowly, slowly getting into the family kind of like routine.

So, and it's very important what family did he have because then it will reflect his

presence, his like family kind of like presence

nowadays.

And then when you go back into his childhood, you understand was it like a happy childhood?

Was it not?

Like, what's the background?

Yeah, I totally agree.

I totally understand that.

Yeah, so it's a lot of red flags.

So, women can women need to listen more on the date rather than talk.

Because if you want to find out who's the right feed for you, like listen more and then ask more questions about the childhood.

You and I could be friends, I'm telling you.

Yeah, I love that.

No, yeah, it's a lot of the things that you're saying.

I mean, yeah.

Okay,

how are you making money today?

Like, what is your like how are you making money?

Well, I would I would say like I don't make that much as I wanted to.

I would love to make more,

but I'm getting there.

I would say like, I just, you know what?

I never like if you ask me like, what's my dream?

My dream is not like to buy like a exotic car or like a house or something like this.

I really don't really have any materialistic attachment.

And like everybody says like, oh, like you have so much clothes, you probably have so many like

all these like big wardrobes and everything.

Like in fact, no, I just swear to God, I have like just five bags and like

just like really small wardrobe.

So all I have on Instagram and everything is just a promotion or they give me or they lend me or whatever, whatever, whatever.

So I do make money mostly, I would say, on coaching.

And the second part is,

but I cannot really use it now.

That's what happened.

So before when I used to live in Europe,

as I i said i have my properties but that time i bought properties like apartment and a house in russia but that time you know there was no war and everything so i would rent it out and i would have just enough money to cover my cost and live in different countries but like not like lavish lifestyle but again like just like a normal basic lifestyle but it was enough and then i was doing these events i was getting a little bit money there and here but what happened now also with the Ukraine war, you know, that Russian banks are switched off from the Swift.

So I cannot use these Russian rubbles anymore.

I cannot, even like through cryptocurrency, I mean, like the crypto money,

I cannot do it either because like now they close down all the platforms.

So I cannot basically get money out of Russia.

So they basically store there.

And I mean, like, what can I do?

I'm like, whatever.

So mostly, yes.

So it's like basically my coaching, Instagram kind of like promotion sometimes, like, you know, like when they do, I'm going to construct festival.

So I, I will do dress gown endorsement, like or jewelry endorsement over there.

That's also like another source of my income.

So mostly that.

So yeah, so the coaching, the courses, because I like digital marketing.

Digital marketing, digital marketing.

Yeah.

Okay.

Cause I thought you had a PR company.

That's what I used to do in London.

That was the London thing.

Yeah.

That's why the PR company did these events and all that, but it's still in

the internet.

But, yes, yeah, and then how about like I also read that you want to be an actress?

Is that accurate?

You know what?

Like, not really, to be honest, but like, what happened was my friend introduced me to a film director, they were doing a movie, and actually, I was that time in Miami, so I was like, Okay, let me try.

So, I kind of like went to audition and said, Oh, you would be perfect.

Why don't you play with that time?

It was a great actor who unfortunately passed away at 63.

Tommy Lister, the tiny, tiny, he played in the movie Fifth Element with Bruce Willis, the big

guy.

Oh, I think, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, he played like president.

And it was his last movie and the last scene with me.

And I'm like, so the movie actually never been released because of his das.

And he actually died because of COVID.

He did?

Yes.

Yes, like he got really sick and he just died in his apartment alone.

Okay.

At 63.

So you don't want to be an actress.

Well, I'm not kind of like, look, if they will come to me and say like, there's a perfect like role for you to call an assassin, I mean, like, yeah, cool, why not?

But this is not my goal.

My goal, yes.

It's not.

What is your goal?

My goal is to build orphan for

that very, very.

So my goal is, actually, you know what?

Like, I will tell you, I want to make things that makes me happy in my kind of like in my field.

So what makes makes me happy speaking with you right now?

I love doing this.

I love to share my thoughts and everything.

And it's kind of cool.

I think it's cool to, it's also part of like coaching.

So, you share your knowledges, you share your skills.

It's kind of cool.

So, I've done a little bit like a couple of times I did like public speaking.

I did like one speaking in the United Nations.

They had like a charity event.

So, I against sexual violence.

It's exactly what I'm standing for.

Like, I mean, against sexual violence.

I would like to do this more.

So, I'd like to do more like public speaking events and participate as a public speaker.

That's what really makes me happy, to be honest.

And I would love to travel the world with this mission and particularly to do more like maybe charitable work, you know, helping again, young female being in a difficult situation, like sex trafficked or wherever.

Like it just kind of like makes me happy as a human being.

Money-wise, I would like to maybe set up more,

you know, more products and make it run so I have enough also like money to to pay for my expenses while traveling and so on so it's just like kind of like making like my life work but in a way I would say you know what like I'm not interested in earning money if this money will not help me to

spread the message where I'm going to because I don't see myself living an amazing house and just going to the gym, spa, shopping and restaurant.

And that's it.

Like, I cannot see myself doing these things.

Right.

I'm not happy doing this.

Right.

That doesn't make you happy.

No.

I have a bunch of ideas.

After just talking to you for the last, God knows how many hours, what I think you should do.

The first thing I would say, the speaking thing, I think your story, if you can, like, can like create a keynote speech around it, I think would be really fascinating.

But I'm not even joking.

When you said that thing about the liquid condom, like, I actually believe that could be like a multi-billion dollar product.

Yeah, but I cannot do it by myself.

No, but you don't, of course, by the way, no one's successful on their own.

No one works in the vacuum.

Everyone needs teams.

But I do think, like, when you were saying, right when you said it, I thought to myself, I'm going to look into that because there's no possible way that that's not in America.

That is such a smart.

I mean, that to me is like a no-brainer.

And then, I mean, and then I would also see this as you like, you are like partnered with Neil Strauss, but having that female version of what he did with the game before 10 years ago.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I think, like, there is no, I don't really know of a female version.

That was such a successful,

it was so big.

It was.

And I don't think that stuff, I mean, yeah, maybe it's like not PC because it's like the whole Me Too movement, God forbid you like say anything out of sorts, but I think that's like a huge business.

I think for men, it's not anymore because of the Me Too situation, yes.

But for women, it's huge.

But for women, it's huge.

That's what that's that.

And you know what?

Like, I love inspiring and empowering women, to be honest, more because, like, I mean, I think it's a me, I think it's a really big, a really great thing that you should like.

I think that's a great opportunity.

And I think that a lot of people just have like, I don't think that ever goes out of style, like dating and

like love.

Everybody wants to find love.

And

so many people are so unable to be unstuck because they are their own worst enemies.

And if they can figure out a way to kind of get beyond that and figure out a way to, you know, unstick whatever that is or like unlock that thing, like it's a major, major industry and business.

And I think they have someone to like help shepherd it.

It's a massive thing.

And then the other thing I was, I have like all these ideas for you, but I think that selling your documentary, like doing a doc like a like a documentary talk about it today morning actually yeah they want to do documentary it would be great I mean like I would love that because it would be also another level another sort of tool to deliver my story and hopefully inspire young generation but also I think forget about that part.

I think they have different like buckets.

You could have a bucket that's for like altruism and to give back.

But I also think that not only can people learn from what you're saying, because

I hear what you're saying.

I also think there's a fascination with anything that is like spy.

That's why, like, Mission Impossible did so well, like Black Widow, Red Sparrow.

Like, people love these movies because people want to see themselves in that role.

It's like, kind of like being a superhero, being a superhero.

Like, it feels like people want, like, why do you think I wear my Wonder Woman necklace, right?

Like, I feel like I want to be a superhero, which is why I wanted to talk to you.

But I think that, like, there's so many things that is so interesting about all of this stuff.

Yeah, it's like, you know, like,

I would say recently the world is a little bit shifting, thank God, thanks to like women empowerment move.

But before it was all about men and like women, you know, like being really in a kind of a hard position where they wouldn't have even right to vote or they wouldn't have right to speak out and everything.

And the whole world was about like man, it's a man's world and it's a James Bond.

But why there is no character of like female version of James Bond?

Well, they have, they do have some.

Yeah.

Salt, which was like a one-off.

Yeah, but it's one-off.

I know it's a one-off.

They have the Black Widow, which never really kind of, you know, kind of like progressed.

It didn't really progress.

Now they have Barbie.

They have Barbie, but that's not the same.

No, it's not.

Black Widow.

Not Black Widow, sorry.

The Red Sparrow?

Not the Red Sparrow, because that was also a one-off.

Nikita.

No, Nikita.

They had that show Nikita on Forever.

And Mikey Q, I love it.

Yeah.

And

Alias.

They had Alias that did really well.

Yes.

And then the other thing they had was Wonder Woman and like all those.

Yes.

Wonder Woman.

Yes.

That did really well.

Wonder Woman is actually, you see, like the how to say, like, I love Wonder Woman, but the point is, like, still, yeah, like, she was Unhappy Woman.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, she couldn't, like, be like, you know what I'm saying?

Totally.

But what my point is.

Little girls want to see that as a character.

It gives people like little girls this idea, like, I can do whatever I want, I can be whatever I want.

Yeah, I'm strong.

Like, listen, you're talking to a person who wrote a book called Strong is the New Skinny.

I mean, I'm all about like

being strong and strength, but also having your feminine.

But it's hard and be also feminine.

That's so important.

So important, but people lose it.

Like, you know, I meet a lot of women who are so successful and they are so

strong and they're so impressive, but they have very little femininity And they're so masculine that it's actually

uncomfortable for me.

Like I feel

like you know what I mean?

Like, can you imagine?

Like, but people need to, women who are strong need to sometimes learn how to balance because it's amazing that women can have this much success and

strength.

Yeah.

But a lot of women have to learn how to balance it with femininity to be, yeah, to be like at, to be truly like as impactful as they want to be yeah absolutely I totally agree with you it's like so important and that's why see like that's the whole thing like all these women like including Wonder Woman and Black Widow and all this like they were so strong they are so strong but they were always like themselves there is no like partner they were always alone but they also always had like a femininity to them yeah right they weren't that hardcore car like

yeah they were like that clark kent like you know Superman.

Like, he was Clark Kent and he was Superman.

Like, they were able to disguise their

superhero.

And be like a feminine woman, yes.

And be a feminine woman.

They weren't a superhero 24-7.

They were a superhero when they needed to be a superhero, but then they were able to pull it back and then be,

you know, be much more of a softer.

character, so to speak, right?

Or more vulnerable.

Because like, I think a part of what people are attracted to in life, I guess, is vulnerability.

I totally believe.

Yeah, that, yeah, I agree.

Right.

And when you don't have a vulnerability, like, it's very hard to like really root for somebody and like them, right?

When they're just all bravado.

Yeah, psychology, yeah.

Like when you don't have flows, because we all have flows.

We all have flaws and nobody's perfect.

No, you know, and I was going to say this, and I'll let you go because I know it's been forever.

And we can, you can, we can come back and do another 10 podcasts.

But what I always found interesting, everything I've seen, you never felt or ever seemed or played victim you never played a victim yeah you like you don't have a victim mentality oh i will explain you why because if you have victim mentality you obviously will attract abusers and manipulators and this is also when like you know students come to me and say like why am i like in this abusive relationship why he's like doing this she he's cheating on me or like beating me or whatever it's because like it starts from us like if you have like victim mentality that's exactly what even though they are not but they will do that because you kind of like provoke them to do this so they feel it and they start to do these things to you so the most important of course is to get out of this victim mentality but you know what i think i was a victim when i was in my 18s and i think like i got it out

it will be in the second part there is a beautiful moment which i love and i think like i'm very proud of this moment when i could stand for myself and I said no.

So when I was raped and constantly abused, I couldn't say no, I couldn't stand for myself.

And I just let them use my body.

When that commander, the second one, the disgusting gross motherfucker, sorry.

Yeah.

When he's like, come on, like, you know, suck me or whatever.

And I literally said, no.

That's it.

Like, it was just straight, strong, short, no.

And from that moment, I started to stand for myself.

And if I don't want to do something, I just say no.

And this is important for everyone to be able to say just no

because this is you.

This is your life.

This is your body.

This is your emotion and everything.

If you don't want to do something, just say no.

Yeah, just saying.

So sometimes easier said than done, but that's...

Because people live in fears.

And fears really kill everything.

They kill your future.

They kill everything, like your goals, your dreams.

And yes, I had to pay for my no because I went to this deadly mission and I was sent to the war and I was almost killed and everything.

But again, this no made me who I am today.

Wow.

Well, because the show is called Habits and Hustle, I need to know your daily habits and your daily routine.

So let's start from what time you wake up.

What do you do every day?

I wake up, depends from my meetings.

I can wake up at five, four, ten, whatever.

Then the first thing I do is I drink a glass of water with lemon juice,

and I say, so this is important to say because you know, water is also alive and it's an energy.

So I say to water in Russian, but like I will translate, I say, thank you so much for everything and please give me health and energy.

And sometimes as I just said, like today is an important day because I would need to do this and this and this.

So it's basically I put some sort of, I set up some goals which I need to

say in the water.

Yeah, so I say it to water basically.

Okay.

Maybe it sounds weird, but that's what I do.

No, it doesn't sound weird.

In fact, actually, someone gave me a frequency card where I put my water on this frequency card and it changes

the energy

of, I may have one for you.

I can grab it.

I think I may have an extra one.

I think like a horrible.

Yeah,

I believe in that because, you know, like these scientists, they'd made like this research when they were saying to water like bad things, like I hate your like

swearing stuff, and then they froze the water, and then it became like all like really bad, like crystals.

Oh, I didn't see that.

I saw they did this with a plant, like two plants: one plant they talk nice to and one plant they talk mean to.

It's exactly how with water was really, yeah, same.

And like when they were saying to water, like, I love you, and all the positive things, then the crystals were really beautiful when they froze it.

Yeah, so it's similar things like it works everywhere.

Yeah, with plants, with kids, pets.

I mean, like, pets love me.

They all the dogs are mine, all the cats are mine, like, birds, everybody,

yeah, I mean, like, all the time.

Whenever I go to the to the shop, to the store, yeah,

moment I walk in, there would be a lot of people, even though it was empty, then it will be so many people coming in the same rate moment, really.

And after me, it's always aligned, yeah.

So, I bring a lot of like people, energy, and whatever.

It's just again, like, it's it's about your vibration, so it's about what you are inside because, again, we can we consist 80% of water.

That's why water is so important.

That's why I just flew from Florida.

I went to the ocean almost every day.

And when you swim, so unfortunately, I can't swim in this ocean.

It's too cold.

I can't do it.

But when you swim, you also say exactly the same.

So you swim and you say thank you, be grateful.

And then, because like it's kind of like reflecting to your body, because you have 80% of water, right?

So you say thank you.

It's almost like thank you to yourself.

And then you ask for what you want to ask.

Health, beauty, use, productivity, like energy, positivity, like love, whatever you want.

And you just kind of like, you have to say it loud.

It's not just inside of you.

You have to say it loud.

So I basically speak with water.

I mean, it's crazy.

You talk to water.

I talk to water.

Okay, that's fine.

Is that your big habit of the day?

Okay, so another habit which I do, I always say compliment to people wherever I go.

Doesn't matter like waiters,

wallet parking guys, neighbors, kids on the street.

It doesn't matter.

Like, you have to say good things to people.

It's just like also kind of like reflecting.

It's like, give a smile, the smile comes back to you.

That's also another Mike habit.

It's actually a seduction technique.

A very good seduction technique.

I love that.

Anything else that you can add?

That's okay.

If there's not, you don't have to just say it.

But those are two good ones.

Yeah.

Those are two.

Yeah.

Is that your third one?

Is that your third?

Okay, okay.

I'm joking.

Is it?

Are you joking?

You don't have to say that.

I cannot do it every day.

Sometimes I'm just tired.

I don't have time for it.

But yeah, but it's good to keep the blood flow, women.

It's good to keep the blood flow, even though you don't have a sexual partner every, like, like, all the time.

But, like, yeah, you have to take care about your body.

I love that.

So there's three good habits.

Thank you.

I love that.

Okay, everybody here has to go listen to

To Die For, first of all.

I love your story and I think that you are,

you're, you're a very lovely person also.

Thanks.

I think you're great and I'm and I really enjoyed having you on this podcast and I'm sure we're gonna end up seeing each other again.

I have a feeling.

Yes.

I have a feeling.

Yes, of course.

Where do people find you if they want to know more about you?

Anywhere really.

Like they can go to my social media, which is Alia Rosa with double I.

I was just like put like Rosa with Z and you'll find me.

And I'm mainly on Instagram, to be honest.

Like I don't really use any other social media because like, I don't know, I'm just stuck with Instagram, whatever.

Yeah, it's, I think it's the age.

I think that, like, certain ages go to certain things.

Like,

that's what I think.

But thank you guys for listening and thank you for being on it.

Thank you, Jennifer.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you.

Bye.

Bye.