Episode 365: Aliia Roza: Former Russian Sex Spy Reveals Seduction Secrets, Training Techniques, Self-Confidence Tactics, and More. Pt 1.

Hi guys, it's Tony Robbins.

You're listening to Habits and Hustle, Russian.

So you guys, we have such an exciting, fun guest, fascinating guest today.

Her name is Aaliyah Rosa.

She is a former Russian spy.

She was handpicked for an elite espionage academy in Moscow, where she was trained to seduce enemies of the state for secrets.

After falling in love with one of her targets, she was forced to flee the country.

First of all, I'm telling you,

I left the room because I didn't want to even ask her a question before we're on camera because I'm like, I've been so excited to talk to you.

I'm not even joking.

So, because of that, I want to do this.

We do these like little shots on the podcast.

This is a magic mind.

It's very good for like focus,

productivity,

and keeping you like really alert.

So, I figured, and there is no novichook, right?

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No, no, no.

This is all per, this is organic.

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There's like lion's mane and turmeric.

So here you go.

Cheers.

Cheers, my dear.

Amazing.

All right.

It's very delicious.

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Very cool.

Exactly.

See, there you go.

I'm the spy.

I'm the spy.

No, I'm joking.

Well, you never know.

I might be.

Who knows?

You never know.

You never know.

You never know.

The real spice, yeah, they would never release the identity.

They would never, exactly.

I mean, active spice.

Yeah.

How do we know that you're not a spy still?

I mean, because I just released my identity.

I know exactly.

So then you know, that's how we know.

Okay, this is very interesting.

So you did the podcast To Die For, which I was riveted and I listened to the whole thing in probably one sitting.

I was like walking and walking.

Yeah, I was walking and walking.

And I thank you.

I probably, you're welcome.

And I probably sent it to, without exaggeration, 400 people.

I'm not not kidding no i'm not kidding so i probably single-handedly like got that podcast like up the charts thank you so much no i because i i'm so fascinated by the movies like salt and red sparrow and all of these like women assassins right and so when i heard about you of course i like was like glommed on to the whole idea and was like you kind of are like the real life it sounds to me like the real life red sparrow well yeah you can say that.

Red Sparrow, yeah.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, who knows?

But I'm still alive, so I'm blessed.

I mean, I was going to say, how are you able to like talk about your story and be out there doing what you're doing?

Aren't you like scared that you're going to get killed?

So there are a few reasons why I actually started to speak about it after 20 years being silenced.

Okay.

The reason number one, the most important, is actually exposing my face and my name, kind of.

It's my insurance and security because the Russian government contacted me three times to be specific.

One time when I was basically like I was fled Russia, when that was the whole story, my son's father was killed, and I had to leave.

It's another story.

It's a

second season.

Then the second time, when I was in England, and I was already, you know, walking into that Buckingham Palace, and I was volunteering for the charity of royal family.

So I met King Charles Charles and Queen Elizabeth and so on.

So they contacted me again.

And then the third time, actually before the Ukrainian war,

because I'm already in America and they're kind of like, why don't you go and work and like close it into Washington with all these like people there, politicians and so on.

And the problem is that they give you an offer, you cannot say no.

So the first time they said, well, we will kidnap your son, like that.

you cannot say no.

So like these two times I was kind of like escaping and kind of like putting them into kind of like this like i was hanging them but like the last time i was like you know what screw it i'll just uh i spoke with my former colleague she was still active agent and uh she actually gave me really good advice she said listen why don't you go to you know to become really like public figure, make it big, like talk about your past, speak out and stand against the war for the peace.

Because first of all, like when Ukrainian war started, it was like, it was, wow like everybody got shocked like I was shocked myself like we would never expect Putin would start official war like that and also one of my okay so it was my uncle who wasn't Ukrainian or wasn't Russian he's from Kazakhstan he was he was a doctor and he was working in the hospital helping all these people who were injured he got killed and it just like made me so upset you know all these like innocent people being killed for nothing because you know all the worst like basically all these innocent people they are suffering for nothing like now we have like Israeli war same bullshit again like hello hello so I'm kind of like I want to make kind of like impact to the world and like literally like unite people to stop the wars and I think like if we will all unite together we can stop wars if they will not go and fight right they can they can we can do it so there was like a few reasons why I started to share my story and then eventually I was introduced to Neil Strauss and we spoke and he immediately told me you what, like, why don't we do like an audiobook, like a format of the podcast, and you share all your story there?

So we started to work on that and now it's out.

How long have you, how long were you working on that for?

Over a year.

So it's almost like one year and a half, long time.

Okay, so let's start from the beginning because I want like of all the people on this podcast, like this is something that I need chronological order because there's like so much to like

dive into.

Yeah.

So you were, because I want to say that not only were you like a spy but you were like sexpionage right so you were like trained in the art of seduction yes and how to seduce basically how to seduce men to get women and women and women okay i thought it was only men to to get to get secret like basically secrets and then for your country so how in the world does that even what is the

process of how that even starts and begins like can you just start from the beginning well the beginning of the beginning all my family, including my grandfather, who has a big monument in Staligrad, he was a national hero fighting Nazi during the Second War.

My father served

in the military over 40 years.

He's a very, he was a high-ranking officer.

And actually, like, even now, some of my cousins and they're still in the military, you know, like so, basically, the whole family.

So I was born.

I guess my father wanted a son.

Like, hey, like, I was born and he kind of like he trained me from very early age, like really early age of like this,

not just like kind of like programming techniques, but also physical exercises.

He would give me really hard exercises, like run with the weight from six years old.

Like I was like really getting prepared for something bigger in my life.

At that time, of course, I didn't know, but when I reached 18 years old and I was enrolled into university where I wanted to go with all my classmates, He said no.

He literally brought me into the department where I started to work and then I was sent to the military academy and then I was enrolled to this sex panage program from 350 students,

just like a few girls, including me.

Together, totally five girls were enrolled into this program.

And it was really secret, so we were not allowed to speak about it.

You still, you cannot share anything about this program in Russia.

If you would do this, you would go to jail.

So I'm, you know, I don't live there, thank God.

Yeah.

And I think like I wouldn't even start to talk about it if I wouldn't have my green card, to be honest.

Like, because like I lived in so many countries everywhere in the world and I got so, you know, that was another reason why I was scared, because it would be easy to terminate me, you know.

So just because like I'm really grateful to America, to American people for giving me home, for giving me security, for giving me the safety where I feel like I I feel free.

You know, like whoever says about America, I don't know, guys.

I think America is the best country because I lived in Switzerland, Italy, France, Greece, England.

And I would say, honestly, from my perspective, and I didn't, I wasn't there as a tourist.

I lived there.

So I was integrated into the culture.

I learned cultures and languages and everything.

America is the greatest country.

I really, really love this amazing, beautiful people and everything around it.

And I think like, it's just like a little bit sad that people are divided here because then it's easy to manipulate people.

But rather than that, I mean, if people would unite together, it would be just like unstoppable.

Yeah, but we're right now we're in a time when it's very divided, and there's so much vitriol and aggressive hate towards different people.

Like, I'm sure you're looking at seeing what's happening in the world right now, even with the war, what's happening with all the protesters.

And it's like, it's, it's what's happening in this country is unbelievably horrible.

Well, because somebody pays right behind it, and then people got manipulated through media and

it's all paid stuff.

So somebody really want it.

Like there, we always need to see underneath what's the benefit after that.

Like who is benefiting from all these things?

Because

any war, it's the most profitable business.

Absolutely.

Yeah, weapons.

Like who is standing behind it?

Like look there.

But unfortunately, people don't see it.

And they just go and fight against each other.

It doesn't make any sense.

I mean, what I listen, I'm obviously, you know, I'm Jewish.

I'm actually half Israeli.

And what I'm very upset about and very outspoken about is that we were attacked and we were just

retaliating.

And war is awful.

War is horrible, as we all know.

And people, there are casualties.

But the numbers that they're saying are completely false.

They're not even accurate.

They're listening to like the numbers are coming from Hamas, which is like a terrorist organization.

It's despicable that that is what's happening in the world.

Yeah.

And to your point, it's being fueled by a lot of money behind them.

Like a lot of these protesters, funnily, you know, people are saying like on the campuses, they're not even students.

They're like, oh, like if you see the people who were arrested, they're all old men, old women, like who are being paid by like all the money from Qatar and all these other places.

Like this is, if there's a red herring here, right?

Talk about the red sparrow later, but the red herring.

is look over here.

We're going to do all this to distract you.

But like there's a bigger play here than just what it is, exactly.

So, that's the most important.

Like, so kind of like we need to open eyes of people so they can see through not being manipulated so easily.

Yes, absolutely.

Somebody is sponsoring it obviously.

So, why don't they see like, and it's just like so obvious.

I mean, there's a thing.

I don't know if you saw this, but there was a whole thing.

Like, there was like, I don't know, like 500 of the same tents that were like, you know, like posted in the encampment, the exact same tent.

So, you're telling me everybody in in unison went and bought the same tent?

Like, give me a break, right?

Of course.

Like it's so ridiculous.

But the problem is it's ignorant and people don't know what they don't know.

They don't have the knowledge.

They don't have the education.

They're getting their stuff from TikTok.

And then they're like, basically, like, oh, this is what's happening.

Like, TikTok is like the news

now.

Yes.

It's pathetic.

People have zero attention span to even pay attention.

As I'm sure you can tell, I'm exceptionally passionate about this.

So I can go on and on about this forever.

Yeah, it's just like sad, you know, it's sad.

And like, I think, like, uh, as more people is as us bringing awareness to this problem nowadays, this will help.

I hope so, this will help also new generation to understand that they are being manipulated.

Yeah, so it's all about like being a secret agent, we learn about manipulation everything.

So, when I share my knowledges to students, the most important thing is to prevent manipulation.

You have to like understand, it's not about like believe or not believe, like, just read, read, see through, and like just like do research, do your own research, make your own opinion.

Don't allow anyone to give you this like BS, whatever.

Like, don't just believe anything anyone says.

Right.

You gotta, and that's that's a great segue back into you because I have a million questions.

So, your dad was teaching you early on how to like to be prevent manipulation.

Right, right, right, right.

He was, but he was hardcore.

He was like teaching you.

Yes.

Like,

he was, he was like training you to kind of, he's grooming you, so to speak, to be someone who was able to be really mentally tough and all the things.

So then let's say now you're in the now you're in the program, the military.

I want to talk about all the different tactics that they taught you just in basic training.

Okay.

And then I want you to talk about why you were one of the people that were chosen to go into this elite program for the sex bionage and what they taught.

I want to know details of what they taught.

I want you to go like so deep into it because I'll just keep on grinding you until you do anyway.

And then and then we'll kind of go from there because that to me is like very interesting.

I think people want to know like the tactical things that they did with you.

Yeah, I think like, you know what, Jen, it's kind of like interesting that for me and for us, this education was not that.

wow kind of thing.

Maybe because we're coming from Soviet Union.

I don't know.

Maybe because like women there are different, who knows?

But when I started to share about these topics and everything, I mean like Russian speakers, they're like, yeah, we know about that.

But like any other like European American, they were like, oh my god, that's crazy.

You studied that?

And I'm like, yeah, but like it's normal.

Like it's, that's why I think, sorry, maybe it's not.

I mean, according to statistic, they say like Russian women or like Russian speaking women, post-Soviet countries, they are sexist women, right?

But I would say the sexist is not just coming from the look, it's the way how women behave themselves with men.

Because the strength of women lies in her weakness.

And this is the most important skill for any woman.

So the woman as yourself, as a secret agent or whatever, just a woman, you're strong.

You know that you're strong.

You can handle everything.

You will not give up.

Whatever challenge will come because you will become mother or you already mother.

You're a creator and you have much more power than any man.

Sorry, guys, but it's true.

Right.

But never ever show your strengths to a man directly.

Supporting him, embracing him, encouraging him, motivating him and nurturing him, yes.

But never show yourself as I am stronger.

smarter or better or whatever never a competition always like you are the man, I'm behind you, I love you, I'm your woman, you know, I will protect you, I will support you, I will do everything for you.

But then the woman inspires men to go there and fight for her, for their kids, and whatever, for the home, for the country.

So that's the most important skill I think we got from this school.

But I kind of like believe that the Soviet Union kind of like have it.

Maybe because of the influence of the Asian countries, of the Muslim countries, who knows?

I'm coming from Kazakhstan.

In fact, like

Kazakhstan people, they're Muslim, you know.

The funny thing you mentioned, I did my DNA test and I have like 13% of Jewish blood, but it's also normal because there's so many Jewish coming from that part too, especially from Kazakhstan, Russia, you know, like there's so many Jews.

So

my parents, so my mom is like that woman.

She is very nurturing, very supportive to my dad.

That was like his silly stories.

So he is like the guy who would go and fight and conquer the world.

She would be always there to support him, you know, and this is incredible.

Yeah.

So are you saying, okay, so like, let's say seduction tip number one, right?

And I think what you were saying also is, I think it's kind of common, not people who are very, it doesn't even, you don't even have to be a spy, right?

You can just have to be like a like a slick, savvy person to figure out like that, you know, you don't want to come across to alpha to a man because it's also a turnover.

Absolutely.

A total turnoff.

I did a whole thing on this and I got like totally just slammed for it because you're basically saying that no matter how strong or alpha you are as a woman, never show it.

Never.

Like kind of be like the strong, silent type is what you're saying, right?

Like

always.

pretend like put a man on a pedestal kind of compliment him tell him how wonderful he is how amazing he is no matter what now to me you don't even have to be a spy to know that i just feel like it's just kind of common sense if you are like a smart girl.

But I mean, but still, girls don't want to, a lot of times now, girls don't want to do that, they feel that is and that's why they're single, right?

I mean, then they ask me, they, my students come to me and say, Why am I single?

I'm so successful, I'm beautiful, I'm hot, like I have business and all that, and like, why I'm single because of that.

And the another thing, like, there is a technique which I mentioned in the podcast, like you asked me about seduction tips, like yes, and also circle of how, where, okay, if you always praise the man how amazing he is he would eventually become like yeah i'm the greatest and then like whatever you know like you were like go and like walk and then he would try to go and like conquer other women females whatever and the circle of hell techniques it's uh almost like called and

a circle of hell a circle of hell yeah technique i mentioned it in the in the podcast so it's basically when a woman this is a seduction when she trains men almost like the way you're training a dog.

So, if the man does something good, you give a reward, like you know, something like a delicious thing, whatever, reward.

But if he does something wrong, like I don't know, whatever, he forgot something, he didn't present flowers, so he forgot your like anniversary birthday, whatever.

So, you don't hysteric, like you don't do arguments or hysterical things like a lot of women do.

You just ignore and you put on a very like, you know, like distance, on a very cold, cold distance.

Nobody loves it, of course.

Like, it's ignorance.

Nobody can handle it.

So, but this is much more effective rather than screaming and arguing.

And, you know, what I'm saying, I totally see, I agree with you, but again, it's like I knew that instinctually.

So, I'm saying, like, because you're a woman, you're a smart woman.

Like, I'm saying, like, that's what I'm saying.

I feel like there are certain people who just know these things better than other people, and they don't like to your point.

I mean, I hate to say this, but like, I do agree, like, in the sense that the ones, the women who are come across way too, like, tough and strong, it's, it's very masculine.

And you bring on a masculine energy, even like if you have a masculine energy and a strong veneer, like when you are trying to like, when you're trying to attract a man, you have to have a softness for the man that they want, basically.

I'll be honest, like, the people that they want to be going out with, no one wants to have that like feeling of like competition.

Like, they want to have like the, you have to have a yin and a yang.

Yeah.

But what do you call it?

You called it the circle of hell.

Yeah.

But again, like, and I think that, like, to what you were saying earlier, Russian women are just naturally, they're better at that than I think a lot of other American women.

I think that, is it, isn't it something that's a, I don't think it's naturally taught in a curriculum where you're from, but I think it women behave this way.

So education, it's all about coping.

So girls being raised by certain type of mothers, they become similar, you know, behavior females.

So, I think it's all coming from there.

And also, you know, after the second war, Russia lost so many men.

Of course, they were like, according to statistic, for 10 women, there are like seven men.

And I think like it's the same statistic right now, especially during the Ukraine war.

So in America, I mean, like, okay, if I would go in Russia, in Moscow, like to the bar or club or restaurant, there would be 90% women.

Beautiful, stunning girls.

Here, I go to the club.

I mean, I just came from Florida.

I said, like, oh my god, these Florida guys are so hot.

Yeah, really?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I was like, whoa.

Well, I just thought, maybe I'm too hungry.

I don't know.

But

I love American men.

Like, I think they're really...

Well, first of all, they're like a lot of men compared to in Russia or wherever, or Europe also.

And I think men here are more kind of like male, you know, they're more like manly.

You think so?

Not in LA.

I mean, are you talking about LA?

Because not really here.

You know what?

Like, LA, like, so I kind of like, I don't date here.

Maybe I should try, but like, I never kind of like when you're in the middle of the day.

Do you eat them alive?

I'm telling you.

Because

even though you know how to seduce,

but you said you like manly men.

Most of the men, manly men I know are not really living.

They're not from here.

They're living in.

It's like Florida.

Yeah, East Coast.

East Coast men are, in my opinion.

Yeah, I think so.

I just feel this vibe, you know, like this strong man vibe.

I love it.

They're like more like men.

Especially Courtney.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Look at you.

Do you have a boyfriend then or you don't have to do that?

Not yet.

I think like I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking, yeah, I probably should at some point.

But you know, it's quite difficult.

I will explain why.

So I just spoke today with my friend.

I said, like, you see, the point is that I don't want just to date for like date.

I want to have a partner.

But I'm a very ambitious person myself.

I have a certain mission in life, which I am kind of like getting slowly but surely, but I will do it anyway.

So somewhere is there.

Well, how old are you?

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Exactly.

I'm 38.

You're 38.

Yeah.

And she's single and looking for a nice guy.

Not just a nice guy.

Of course he will be nice.

But the point is that I want to build an orphanage for those children who are by themselves, no parents, no future from all these Israeli wars, like Ukrainian words, wherever, Africa, doesn't matter.

So I want to adopt as many kids as I can, build for them orphanage in a separate island.

But the most important thing, I would love to teach them some of the KGB techniques because I do believe that they can really make a big difference for good if it's sustainable reasons.

And also to build like a new generation without all these like,

you know, differences in race, nationalities, whatever.

So this new generation will come here to the continent, like the new American, whatever, European continent, and they will teach others.

So we will hopefully have a world without wars or any

conflicts.

That's the most important way they can actually protect each other and respect each other and also nurture our planet from pollution.

So that's my plan.

That's a good goal.

Okay, so, okay, we have to get back to the story, though.

What are some of these KGB techniques overall that you learned?

Are you okay?

Yeah.

Do you want it?

No, no, it's okay.

Do you want a Kleenex?

No, no, it's okay.

Okay.

Just go like that to your

quite sexy.

It's a special seduction.

Did you do it on purpose?

I was going to say, did you do that on purpose?

You know, I think like seduction, it's a lifestyle.

I think like everything you do, it's almost like in your DNA, like everything, like the way you move, the way you are, the way you present yourself.

But believe me, I wasn't like that when I just entered when I was 18 years old.

First of all, I was like really nerdish.

So I

was bullied.

I was telling to your daughter, actually.

So I was only one Asian girl in the beautiful class of all these blonde, blue eyes, girls, 30 girls, and one boy, I remember.

And I was bullied by them because you know, I was different and I felt really bad.

I also had like pimples all over my face, I didn't really wear like fashionable clothes.

My parents didn't allow me to put like short skirts or like makeup or like polish, like nail polish my like, you know, no manic or whatever.

So, I felt really bad, like, I felt ugly.

So, when I entered entered the sex pioneer program, you asked me how did they choose us?

So I think, first of all, there is a special program where they would not take

anyone from the street.

So my father, the reason why he trained me, it was for this special program, not for the specific sex pioneer.

He didn't know about that.

He, in fact, doesn't know about this till now.

But I know that Spotify and iHeart and Apple is not existing anymore in Russia, so he cannot listen to it.

And he doesn't speak English, so I hope he will never find out to be honest.

Uh, only he knows, he has no idea, he has no idea about the whole thing, what happened to me over there, uh, because it was really, you know, like, I don't know what I don't want him to know, to be honest, you know, like he raised me in a certain way, which was beautiful, because he raised me to, first of all, protect innocent people, civilian, love country.

Like, it's it's a real patriotism, which is beautiful.

You know, my he would go to like war and like literally would be able to like and would be ready to sacrifice himself as I did at certain point.

I went I went to the Chechen war and I was ready to sacrifice my

life for that because I knew that you know like when Ukrainian war started like the first thing I got the first like thought which came to my mind was I want to go and fight and protect innocent people especially children you know like that's the first like thing I got but of course like I have my own son and everything and everything and i know that if i will be here and trying to bring awareness to you know to this problem i think like i will raise much more influence and my father he doesn't know but when i came to this program being nerdish ugly duckling and i went through the whole transformation even bad when i was raped and i was just virgin girl and never even kissed the boy and i had to you know i just couldn't do anything like they would just like like rape you like, not just like, well, who raped you?

So, my commanders, my teachers, my colleagues, like, it's just like, it was like, you know, I think like I shared it's on the second episode or third.

I basically, so I was just walking to my class, and the guy just like my colleague, my like, you know, classmate, just grabbed me.

He put me on the floor and just literally fucked me, and I couldn't do anything, you know, like, and you cannot go anywhere.

And that's also part of the program because you have to disattach your own body from your feelings from your emotions because how you will go and seduce your target if you are still kind of like you know you cannot give your body away for for your mission for something bigger like the task or whatever for the order how can you do it you have to separate your body completely from your emotion and i think like that's the problem why i don't have you know serious relationship because like i'm still learning how to open myself and feel

my emotions within this body because like at the even now like my body kind of like separated from me how many guys or people how many people did you seduce in your career a lot like 50 100 over that 200 a lot like a lot

like does that mean you i don't want to even think about it did you have sex with like more than 500 guys oh my god jennifer you will kill me like i will never date after this interview no listen no i mean listen isn't that kind of what everyone wants to know?

I'm sure.

You guys would be like, no, already guys asking me, like, oh my God, you were like a sex financier agent?

Wow.

Okay.

So, you know, like, how many guys actually you had?

I'm like, not so many.

Like, I don't really remember.

I never counted because, like, at some point, I just lost the more than 500.

Yeah, much more.

Wow.

And you said women also.

So what does that mean?

Were you seducing them sexually or also just overall?

Mostly sexually.

mostly mostly sexually mostly sexually yeah so does that like so okay wait so if that's the case and you have all this ability to seduce like anybody anytime you should be having a million boys like can't you just pick a guy and be like you know that's the one i want

i know i i i can pick up any guy any woman so okay so here is the sustainable kind of like responsible thing coming to me.

I don't want to break anyone's heart because seduction, it's

the beginning, the first part of love, falling in love.

The problem is what I have, when I say to the guy living here in LA, and this is like, swear to God, the real stuff, and all this happening with me like that.

So I would say, let's just hang out and let's just have sex once a week, maybe two times a week.

That's it.

Like, you know, just for the healthy purposes.

Right, right, just for fun.

Just for fun.

Like, I need like some sex sometimes, you know, like I'm a human being.

So the guy would be like perfect that's amazing like no responsibilities no commitments amazing so guess what after two three times he comes to me and he says listen I want to have you as a girlfriend can we be exclusive can we date seriously can we like be like for what I want to build family with you are you thinking about like getting married again and having kids you know what and I cannot do that because I have the mission which I told you about building this orphanage and I have like much bigger kind of like global things and I want to do more travel and like speak and do public speaking and inspire women and all that so I cannot combine being a housewife and like with a newborn kid now and doing these things together because it won't work so is it like maybe you're just that good in bed that they just all fall in love with you now is that sex

yeah maybe but so can you tell us i want to know about all the sex techniques that you're able to like get the world secrets out of all these big leaders okay so they're basically desensitizing you at the beach I want to, I'm still trying to be in chronological order.

So they're, yeah, they're doing, they you got raped by your commanders.

So, A, do you think that was because they were trying to desensitize you from the idea, or is it just because that's the culture of like, we can do whatever we want?

Yeah, all that.

We can do whatever we want.

It's kind of like cool.

You know, he has the power to do anything he wants with young students, male or female, and there is no boundaries, you know, and then also, as this is part of the program, you have to completely be, you know, almost like

kind of like it's sex trafficking as well, but opposite.

You know, I was going and fight the sex trafficking, the human trafficking when I was infiltrating the criminal gangs where I was sex trafficked myself.

for my own government, which is interesting.

I never was thinking about it till the moment the former CIA said in the podcast, which Neil interviewed.

And I understood it only after.

I was like, wait a minute, I was sex trafficked myself.

And I never felt this way.

I thought like I'm doing something really big,

you know.

Right.

But so how did they even get you to the point of like, okay, so what are some of the, again, so what are some of the techniques that you were taught?

to get you to a place where you were able to then see a target and how did you like how long were you doing it for for okay so um

basically our lessons were built this way from 6 a.m you do exercises first then you do um i don't know how do you call it in english but like martial arts yeah yeah of course martial arts and everything but uh marching like when you're just like uh lining up and you like receiving all the tasks for the for for the whole day marching kind of like yeah marching like marching yeah marching okay 6 a.m then we would go to have breakfast showers, blah, blah, blah.

Get ready for the lessons from 8 a.m.

The lessons would be martial art, the gun shooting, obviously the law, like all the subject history as well of the when the KGB was founded, like all the stories, poison, like different types of poisons, like how do you use it, different types of devices, like you know, kind of like James Bond, what kind of like microphones you can put, what kind of bugs you can, you know, put somewhere, what kind of like cameras inside, like installed into your button or wherever you can use like many different things.

Other types of chemical weapons as well.

We would study like how to do this, and like who would kind of like

where does it come from, and all these things.

So, how to, for example, open doors using like certain tools, a lot of different things, you know, like which is quite normal.

But then, after my lessons, I would go with these other four girls to the special classes where the majors, you know, our teacher would teach us some seduction sex techniques, which are mostly, I would say, 80% would be like psychological techniques, how to persuade, how to seduce, how to manipulate, how to very subtly manipulation, okay?

Like it's not direct, it's different.

How to scan people, how to read their mind, how to understand what the goals, what their weakness is, what their dreams, like how to basically make anyone to like you.

It's much bigger than that.

And then eventually we would study sex techniques, which are, for example, what are like positions in sex, how to do oral sex techniques, how to do the deep throat, how to do, yes, how to like also like do the oral sex for women, how to do like orgies, like how does this work, like what's the fetishes, what's the weaknesses of men, all these kind of things.

So it's, I would say it's kind of like a program for to be kind of like woman who understands the psychology of men in a way, not as a woman, as a scientist, as a psychologist.

So it's a little bit different.

And maybe that's why I do adore men.

I love men.

But I always look at them as almost like, I would say, a kid, you know?

For me, it's like big voice.

Right, because you know how to manipulate them.

And are women harder to manipulate than men?

Unfortunately, women are much easier to manipulate, which is an interesting fact,

because women are more emotional more kind of like kind i would say nurturing but that's the whole thing you see i feel responsibility for this and that's why i never as you said like why don't i have a boyfriend because if i see that he is not the one who will build schools with me for kids then i don't want even to waste his time for being together and all that and giving him hopes as well as for women I would never manipulate women as well because I know that manipulation

it can destroy someone.

I mean, knowing these techniques, which I know, I can kill just by saying a word.

What word?

I mean, like, if I would get into the weaknesses of the person and manipulate these weaknesses, the person will probably go in suicide.

You see, the point is that I have a responsibility for my knowledges and the way I deliver these knowledges to the world.

And that's why KGB is bad, but you know what?

Like, you can use it for good.

And that's what I'm trying to share with people that knowing the psychology of each other and respecting each other and having the knowledge of art of communication and art of seduction, because it's in a way, it's very nice where you can motivate someone, you can inspire someone.

Yes, like you can inspire your like

partner to be more successful by like just like putting some anchors through sex or like giving some anchor words or like some anchor touches or program his brain.

Anchored?

Anchored.

Anchored, yeah.

Anchored.

Is that a word that?

Yeah.

So, so how long are they training you before you're allowed or able to go out on a mission?

So six months was the theory for six month theory theory.

Then we went to practice.

Then we got back.

So all together, I would say one year.

And about like two years, I was working on the field.

Two years.

Yeah, about.

And so, like, how long would it take to infiltrate someone?

Like, you're saying you have so many targets, yeah, and but I would think, like, in real life, right, in order to seduce somebody, in order to get somebody to do what you want, it wouldn't take just a one and done, like, you'd have to foster that relationship and make them trust you and like you, and that takes a lot of hours, right?

Yeah, but if you want to recruit someone as your informer, then yes, it takes time.

The one which I told you, like, were like my targets, that was only one-time task.

For example, I would need to get something from this person,

and I would say it's the most easiest way where you just meet, let's say, in a public place, like bar, restaurant, whatever.

Start a conversation or like make him to approach you.

I mean, there are certain techniques.

And then you start the conversation, you speak, blah, blah, blah.

And then you kind of like all this alcohol helps mostly.

Right.

So

you can't be a game conversation, yeah, become more like easy and vulnerable, and you then

get whatever you need, or you terminate the target.

That's it.

So it's one-off kind of assignment.

So, okay, so how many hours you're saying from like six, like from six o'clock in the morning until what time are you training with people?

From so we would start in the academy from 6 a.m.

till so we would finish our lessons by four, 4, but then we would go and study separately.

Yeah.

Another few hours, like two, three hours.

Then we would do homework.

We would definitely do again the exercises like jogging mostly of the time, like in the evening, then dinner, then go to sleep, wake up, repeat.

The same thing.

Yeah.

And then where are the other women that you were working with?

Where are they now?

One woman, for sure, she was

killed.

I don't know under what circumstances.

The colleague, which I told you before, my

very good friend, after I kind of like really asked her to give an interview to Neil, and she agreed.

And I said to her, I will help you with political asylum because I know some lawyers they can help you to move from Russia to America.

And we were planning to do that.

So she

got so she passed away under unknown circumstances.

Like we, I spoke with her nephew.

He said she was healthy, she was strong, but then, and she told me, like, I've been watched, my telephone has been listened.

So, yeah, it's

hers.

Was she living in right?

Was she living there still?

Yeah.

So, did Neil ever speak to her?

No, he couldn't because, like, the day we agreed, because I was traveling, he was traveling.

So, the day we agreed to do the interview, just before maybe like a few days when I texted, like, I'm like, I don't receive any text message back.

And I then call, and then her relative pick up the phone and he said, Well, she's dead.

So, not so many.

Honestly, not so many agents who would come and say, Yeah, we did this expionage.

And,

you know, and mostly of them who actually did it, like Maria Baturi and Anna Chapman, they are back to Russia.

They were deported by the American government.

Right.

So, why?

So, those are the two that I would know.

Is this program even still existing?

Like, is it still out there?

Yeah, of course.

And there's still out there.

Is Russia the only country that does sex pioneers?

Every single country.

Does America have sex pioneers?

Well, they don't say, but I guess, yes, why not?

It's the most easiest way.

The only one thing I think in America,

I think they have it, but the point is that America is more involved into IT technology, like software, like all this technology spying rather than human you know spying yeah and american dna

is more free

if you know what i'm saying american mind is free soviet union mind is very narrow and very you know like this dna like they lived in centuries in fears you know it's like These people always afraid.

You ask me why they don't protest against the war.

Why when Navalny was killed, nobody stand.

They tried a little bit, but not everybody.

If they would all stand and go protest against the regime, which they have right now, they would win.

But because of their fears, because of their like, you know, mindset, which is almost like, you know, like in Holocaust, like when Jewish people for many cent, like for like for after like the whole century, they kind of like, they have, you have this in DNA for another seventh generation.

You know, you cannot do anything about that.

So you kind of like living in the fear that if something i'd rather run away or i will just stay silent i won't speak i won't speak out that's exactly what russians do right now they don't speak out because they're scared that's exactly what is happening with everyone with other countries why they why why why this is happening because like nobody really wants to stand for themselves but then how about yes what about like other countries like when you were okay so when you what you were doing with your targets were they all just based around russia or were they all over the different were they all over the world did you do were any targets from America or thank God not no no that was my next mission and I said like screw it I'm not doing that so I find a way to get out which I'm very happy and when I told you like they were trying to bring me back I said basically fuck off and they they're like you how can you say fuck off and then don't they have don't they have passport because I never go back and like my son doesn't even have the Russian passport because like I'm no but can't they send someone here to kill you like can't they send an an

origin?

Like, yeah, of course, they can.

In fact, you know what?

Like, in LA, I just came from Florida, right?

Florida was like, actually, I had a breakdown.

I'm like, I need to get away because, like, for a few times, I noticed that I've been watched by the same person.

Like, literally, they know where I live.

It's not too hard to find where do I live, of course.

Yes, they can kill me, but the question is, why do they want to kill me now when I never shared any names or any secret information?

I didn't do, I mean, like Lituynenka, as you remember, in 2006 he was poisoned by polonium by the,

you know, secret agents in London when he published two books, which I read, and he basically put everything in the books, like from A to Z, all the names, all the real information, all the names, all the like, you know, like even evidences of the corruption and bureaucracy and like everything.

I'm not doing that.

You know, like I just share my story.

That's what happened to me.

That's what I studied.

I mean, it's not such a big deal.

Yeah, everybody knows about the schools being like everywhere, but like I'm not sharing any like names.

You're not sharing like world secrets, basically.

I'm not that stupid.

Is your name, which what's your real name?

I can't tell you, Jennifer.

Sorry, I love you, but no.

Okay, but this is not your real name.

No, of course not.

Have you changed your name?

How many times have you changed your name?

Four times.

Four times.

Four times.

And so, like, what was your name before?

Well, different.

I mean, yeah, I can Google it, I'm sure, too.

No, even if you will Google it, the real first name will never come up.

So, your actual real name, they can't come up with it.

My actual real name, according to my birth certificate, yeah.

But only Neil knows because, like, when we met and everything, to prove my story and actual, like, my identity, I provided him my birth certificate, my diplomas from the academy, all my you get diplomas from the academy.

Yeah, I got like a diploma from the academy and everything.

Yeah, when you say academy, that's not the same thing as like the military, though, right?

Like, there's no records of you, like, you can't like say there's no records of yes, she did espionage for us.

Like, there's no,

they will say that, no, no, no, there's a lot, oh, yeah,

that's right, like, it's not like that, it's more about like the academy, you me, is more like uh like school.

It's uh, it's actually like the funny thing, it's actually called academy, okay?

it would call

the Academy of the Eternal

Affairs, right?

Affairs Ministry, basically.

This is the name, if you will translate it.

But as you said, and you're right, of course, there is no separate diploma for that special program.

Of course, not.

As I said, like it was still a secret program.

People, look, Russians, they know about that.

They are aware of that, of course, but they don't really talk about that.

But of course, everybody knows.

Is it so?

Were you, did you have any targets outside of Russia, though?

Like in Europe?

No, no, no, no.

All only in Russia.

Yeah, because I fled Russia, so I kind of, well, I did have like a few kind of like tasks

with someone who came from like European countries, but it wasn't that big or whatever.

Can you just walk me through like what I give me a day in the life?

Let's say they say,

you know, Aaliyah, whatever, you know, like, here's your target, John.

Now what?

Now what do you do?

Is he handsome?

I was going to ask you, are any of them handsome?

Are they all just gross?

Or

what are they like?

Different.

But you know what?

There is a special technique where you can program your mind as a woman to basically

become aroused by looking at man and doesn't matter how does he look like.

Can you teach it to me?

Absolutely, yes.

So

you choose your target.

You put your target on the picture of your target on the wall, maybe on the mirror when you brush your teeth or whatever, but like somewhere where probably like you sleep or you, you know, relax, kind of.

So you look at the picture and you program your brain to find beautiful features which you adore, even if he's gross, doesn't matter.

Kind eyes, beautiful eyelashes.

nice nose, like I like his ear, whatever, but it has to be only positive.

Same stuff you do for yourself, by way.

Same technique.

So you concentrate your brain every single day, you look at the picture, and you find this, like, the best features which you love.

And then you masturbate, looking at his picture.

And the moment you have an orgasm, you tell his name, or like, you tell, like, oh, like, I really want you.

Like, basically, you tell yourself what you, what makes you more even into this man.

Okay?

For anyone, it's like different statements.

Give me an example.

Oh, I would say like

I want you, for example, like, oh, like, I'm yours, or like, you're mine, or something like that, or like, you're the best, you know, whatever.

Yeah, yeah.

So the second you have the orgasm, you say, so this is the anchoring word, you give this word to your brain and you kind of like stick your brain into this word, okay?

Then you meet this target eventually, wherever you go, go, right?

Like it's all set up, so you need to do this kind of like technique a few times before you meet this person.

But when you meet this person, what happens, and this is the most beautiful thing about our brain, the brain automatically will start to look all these features which you look in the picture and you find adorable.

And you tell to yourself this statement, like you're the best, or like, I want you, like, John, you're my man, or like, John, I love, and you're fucking me, whatever, okay?

So whatever you put into your brain.

So you say it to yourself.

What happens?

The brain will automatically send impulses to your body, like creating the hormone, you know, like the love hormone.

Pheromones?

The pheromones, yes, like all these like

hormones which females have before

getting aroused, your cheeks becoming blushing, your eyes like blinking.

You have completely different condition as a woman.

Men feel it.

It's almost like an animal world, you know, like before they go into this, like, you know, there is a ritual, the sex ritual before like the intercourse.

So it's exactly the same thing.

So imagine yourself like having this kind of like pre-orgasm condition.

Of course, your target feels it.

And that's the first step.

What's the second step?

Well, the second step, you just do like some other different techniques.

If he doesn't come and approach himself, then you make him to approach you and then you start a conversation.

And the minute you start the conversation, he can see that you want him.

And who will ever resist?

Which man will resist a woman who looks at him with the eyes so full of like admiration and like willing of like having sex with him.

Right.

Like, this is the part that I'm confused about.

Like, to me, you don't need to go to you know, espionage school for this.

I mean, it's this could be like a pamphlet, like basically a three-minute course.

If you're trying to seduce a man, look him in the eyes, look super sexual, tell him how amazing he is.

You know, basically keep on like, just basically, just tell the, just basically just like work his ego for like as much as you can, you know, say how great he is, how amazing he is.

Like, you know, look overplay.

Exactly.

But I think this is more about having a really good, strong EQ, like having the emotional intelligence to like work people.

This is human psychology.

And it's not just for men.

This is for like you said for women.

It's for like any kind of relationship for business for anything.

Any and it's like that's what I'm saying.

So the art of seduction works with more than just like with sex.

You can of course.

It's like about like being a really great flirt.

Yeah.

Really.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, and I mean, depending on what you're trying, what you're, what your target, not even when I say target, what your actual ultimate goal is.

Like, what are you trying to get from this person?

Yeah.

So there's a very big, like, it's being like an opportunist.

Like, this is what I'm trying to say.

Any really good opportunist, scam artist, salesperson, I can go down the list, know how to seduce somebody, the artist seduction.

Absolutely.

They know how to do that.

Like, that's something it doesn't even have to be a man for sex.

It could be like for a business deal.

Like, for me, like, I'm not, I didn't, I've never slept with 500 plus guys, but I'm at least I'm savvy enough to know if I'm trying to like get something, trying to like, you know, get something from somebody how to make them really like me it's like how to be likable and how to make somebody really want to you know do something for you is that basically the

it is but plus sex techniques and that's a whole i mean yes but i'm saying like for the for the common person for the common person yeah that's exactly what i teach in my kind of school i i mean that's the thing so can we go over give me three

top seduction techniques okay and then i'll ask you more questions All right.

Seduction techniques for what purposes?

Because there's so many.

I know.

Okay.

So let's go with three.

How to make him to approach you, maybe?

Or like something?

Yeah, like give me three.

Okay, if you're just, how about this?

If you're just an everyday woman.

Yeah.

Okay.

A lot of single women out there.

Okay.

What are the three top techniques you can share to seduce a man and to get him to like you?

Okay.

And approach you.

And if you don't approach anyone, you just kind of like

all like you kind of like.

I can answer this question myself.

Okay, go ahead.

No, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

Go ahead.

I want you to do it.

You're the guest.

All right.

Okay.

Let's begin from the first one.

The first one is

soften your way.

Yeah, soften your way.

But also the most important is to have this vibe inside of you, the energy, because it's all about energy.

We attract who we are in the end of the day.

And if you don't like yourself,

you don't love yourself, like basically, how can you make anyone like you, right?

So, you need to seduce yourself.

This is number one.

And of course, all the preparation, all the ritual, like we say, from the makeup and dress up and everything, it's so important for yourself, not for any man, for you, number one.

You need to feel amazing.

And the same techniques work well for yourself when you look at the mirror and you masturbate and you program your brain on the same word, wherever, like I'm the best, I'm the queen, I'm the goddess, right?

And you find in the mirror, I mean, like you find in your reflection the most beautiful features about yourself, could be anything, but only focus on positive things rather than like on, oh, I have another wrinkle, I have another, like, whatever flow, just like positive things, and it's always like that.

You know, it is like affirmation, whatever they say, it's just the most important is how we program yourself because that's the vibe we go within and outside outside to the world.

So people feel it.

They automatically feel it.

You may be the most beautiful girl, but if you're not confident,

people like scan it in a second.

And when they scan it in a second, the pickup artist would be like, oh, she's just like an easy pickup victim.

And they will just go ahead for one night stand.

Other men who wants to have like a solid relationship, they also wouldn't go because, like, if you're not confident or like you don't like yourself, like, how can you build a healthy relationship, right?

So let's say you go there.

I want everyone to hear this because I think it's super important.

I talk about this a lot.

Okay.

My whole life, I've said this, you know, like, because you know, I believe that, like,

you know, someone's sexiness comes from within.

It doesn't actually even, if you're passable on the outside, that's pretty much good enough.

If you don't have a strong sense of self and self-esteem, because to me, that's what's ugly and unattractive, right?

Like, if you truly are somebody who like really, truly has self-confidence and you, and you bring it out to the world, there's nothing sexier than that.

I totally agree.

Like, right?

Like someone who's a four becomes a 10.

Yeah.

If they, right?

If they carry themselves with self-esteem and self-confidence with their head up and they know they're, they know they're all that versus someone who's like timid and uncomfortable and awkward and feels like, you know, less than, there's nothing uglier than that and nothing more of a turnoff.

Like to me, the first step of all of this.

I should teach the class.

No, I'm saying that the first thing is like building yourself up in a real, in a real way, like actually feeling that way.

Don't stop, don't pretend to be confident.

Figure out ways that you can actually build your own self-confidence from within.

Like find things about you that's real that you like.

Yeah.

Because everyone knows if you're just faking it.

You know, like that artificial like bravado.

It's so unattractive.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Because people who are really confident, they don't have to like, they don't have to tell you.

They don't have to like yell it from the rafters.

Yeah.

You can feel it.

The charisma.

The charisma.

Yeah.

And just like, it's silent.

Like, it's like the people who have the most money aren't talking about their money.

Right.

Yeah.

The people who have the most confidence aren't like, I'm the most confident person.

Like you just, it's a vibe, it's an energy.

Yeah.

When you try too hard, like people literally like feel it and disconnect like automatically.

It's automatically a turn off.

Yeah.

Like it's like, it's uncomfortable.

Yeah.

You know, like it's uncomfortable.

So that's for the art of seduction, for anything.

Yeah.

But yes, but also, like, I want to add, like, this is

the second thing, like, so, okay, so it's

very important, also, what I say to my female students.

They genuinely need to love men.

You know, like when

the woman goes out and she's like, oh, this is ugly, this has a beard, this is has like,

this is, you know, has a belly, whatever.

The point is that men also feel it, right?

Like they can, they can, they can scent that woman kind of like disgusted by them or whatever, you know?

Or when woman had a really negative experience, or like she was heartbroken, we all did like war at some point, but when she carries that luggage into this presence where she goes out and she tries to meet someone, but she has this kind of like trauma inside of her, they can, men also can scent it.

And they will, even though she's beautiful, sexy, and she looks gorgeous, they will not approach her because they can scent something is wrong.

Wow.

So, wouldn't you say, though, don't you have trauma from all of this happening?

Okay, so that's this thing.

How, of course, I do, and I had, but again, because of the techniques which I studied there, and also, like, which really helped me, and also working on myself a lot.

And I work with the therapist every single week.

That's what really helped me.

If you had trauma, somebody like cheated on you or like they broke up with you in a really bad way or something, whatever, or you were raped or something sexually assaulted.

Number one, yes, praising yourself, like really, you know,

love yourself.

These first techniques come number one.

Number two, where in every similar story, in every single guy you meet, you find something good, even though he's disgusting and gross.

Who give a F you need to find at least five features you really like.

Again, maybe like he has like a cool shoes or like beautiful eyes or like whatever.

Smile doesn't make matter.

Like you only focus on beautiful, positive things.

It's like you always, okay, so you choose two ways of living.

Either you live in the misery and ugly world, which basically you create this world for yourself, right?

Because this is your prisma.

Or you look at everything in a beautiful way.

Like it's such a beautiful world, like such a beautiful people around me.

It all depends on you.

So, you choose the perception for the perception.

So, when you do this exercise, you walk anywhere into the room or like in the street, and you see all the man, and you find only beautiful, amazing things, even though they're like not looking great.

Who give

it, doesn't matter.

So, and you focus on that.

And what really also helps is when you look at man and you basically say inside of you, like, I really like you i really adore you looking into the eyes when he's passing by and smile this is the hardest thing to do because all these random people you don't know them and of course it's kind of like weird like why this like woman looks at into my eyes but this is the most important eye contact is the most seductive technique straight eye contact with a smile warm eyes do you know like the sun technique when you the sun technique is when you look in the into the mirror on your reflection and you smile to your reflection for at least five minutes because again the brain will create the entered endorphin for hormones which will create this like positive mood the mood state you mean endorphins endorphins sorry yes endorphins so how so say that one more time so what is so you smile to your reflection for at least like five minutes just literally like you smile you smile and you say like everything is cool i'm an amaz i'm amazing like i will have amazing day it's great i'm so blessed to like be grateful basically like for everything For five minutes.

Well, at least, like, it's usually

in your reflection.

Yes.

She's basically say, like, how great you are.

And you smile to your reflection.

But the point is that the brain will think that if she's smiling to yourself, like to herself, so it means that everything is good.

We are in a positive state.

Everything is good.

It's when you breathe in and breathe out in a very calm way, of course, it will calm you down.

When you

stand on the strong feet, to like you know like strong feet the wonder woman position

you know the wonder woman position

position yes everybody that's so so that's really brings your brain into the very like self-confident kind of like positive mood

and this really because like when you feel your body together with your

you know your your your mental state that's the most important that's how you connect yourself with the mental state does make sense it does so this is for but this is this a technique to build self-confidence or is this is this a technique also for the art of persuasion no sorry art of seduction everything starts from you you cannot seduce anyone if you are not attractive to yourself right so these are all strategies

to become more confident

that the foundation is look at your reflection say how wonderful you are but pick things that and smile you said smile into your reflection.

And also, this is another also technique: how to really feel your body.

You need to, and this is actually what, like, also my therapist does with me as well.

And this is, I would say, the most effective thing.

When you, and I told you, I was disconnected.

My body was really disconnected from my emotional state because of many rape and abuse, sexual abuse.

So, when you feel anxious, depressed, sad, paranoid, or whatever, like in a very bad, dark state, that moment, and you feel like, you know, panic attacks, whenever I feel it, I always do it, and this is like number one, and I hope like it will also help others.

First of all, wherever you are, you're sitting or you kind of standing, you try to feel the support of the chair.

So for example, now we're sitting, like I feel the support of the chair with my back, with my legs, with my arms, everything.

And notice at least like three things

and say to yourself, maybe, you know, like inside inside of yourself.

So, for example, I see the table, I see you, I see the microphone.

Another three things which you hear outside, I hear like how the

how the birds are singing, like the waterfall is there, something else.

So, three things, and three things which you scent, like you feel, your sensation, the armchair, like the glass table, and the you know, like plastic bottle.

So, what's happening, you absorb all the things around you, right?

And for your brain, it's almost like a sign that everything is okay, okay?

So you are in a safe environment.

Even if the war will happen right now, or like wherever apocalypse is happening, you know that you are safe and secure and stable.

And this is the most important because this will help you in everything,

wherever you do.

As a former secret agent, you know, like I was scared to death to go to many things, like to go to the war and like take the gun and go and fight someone.

I mean, are you kidding me?

me?

Like, you know, but that's something which always kept me stable.

I never had mental breakdown.

I never had depressions.

Never, never.

I'm telling you, never.

Sometimes

I can go into this like kind of like sad mood or whatever.

I can like even cry if like somebody, like something happened, like somebody dies or whatever, like the war happened.

Of course, it like gets me.

But to be in the depressive mode, I never was.

Because this one, number one technique, which really helps you to be stable and focus on yourself.

So you would do that before if you had like a, if you wanted to kind of get yourself grounded?

Yes.

You would hold on to something.

Yeah.

Did anything ever happen when like you would have a situation where it got violent?

Me or the target?

Well, no, with the target.

Like fight?

An actual fight?

Like an actual fight?

Yeah, of course.

But I mean, it's like, I'm not scared of that.

I think because of.

Do you know Martial?

Are you like a master martial artist?

No, no, I'm not master martial art.

I would rather prefer to use a gun rather than like fight with a man body because obviously men are much stronger and you know bigger.

But you know how to do that stuff though?

Yes.

I we studied martial arts of course.

And the good thing is, for example, Aikido, right?

You just need to use the power of your targets.

So you don't really like putting your power.

So it's just kind of like attracting the power which he kind of like giving to you, right?

If he if he tries to fight you.

But what happens?

Like if I'm like, if I find,

has anyone ever found out like on task that you were a spy yes okay this is uh in the podcast it's um actually my last mission and that was i would say the most the most terrible moment in my life yeah

what happened well i am alive right you are alive thank god but what what happened like how did they find out what was the thing i would say um so i cannot really say everything, otherwise, like people will not listen to the second, so I cannot spoil this

second part.

But

long story short, I was betrayed by my commander and I was,

you know, I was like, yeah, I was betrayed by the system, by my government.

And

it's, you know, it's the hardest thing when you...

you give everything

like your life, your, you know, you believe in something which basically just uses you for their own benefits, for like becoming a creature or get their own advantage.

So, yeah, it's it's in the second part.

Oh, so you can't talk about that yet.

I can't, I can't, but let's talk about the first part because you talk about the fact that you had a commander who was protecting you for a long time.

Yeah, who raped me in the beginning?

Who raped you in the beginning,

and then

you turned it around and made him kind of

seduced him.

Yes, he fell in love.

Yeah.

And, but then he turned on you.

When he passed me to another one, yeah.

So when he turned on you, how are you even, like, how did you survive that?

Because then now you're having, why?

Okay, wait, how did he turn on you?

How did you seduce him?

And did that, was that like the beginning of the end for you?

Well, in a way, it was beginning of the end, of course, because like he was the one who brought me to that end.

But again, you know, everything, whatever we have in life, I think for a reason.

And to be honest, like, I'm really grateful that he did what he did in my life.

Even though, you know what, like, I wouldn't be here sitting with you right now, Jen.

You know what I'm saying?

If I would not have this experience, if he would not let me down that time, you know, I don't know where I would.

Maybe I would still work in there.

Who knows?

But whatever happened, happened, and thank God that it happened.

So how did I seduce him in the beginning?

So So he was 30 years older than me and married with two kids.

So in the beginning I never wanted to have any future with him.

But when I realized that every single female student had to go through orgies, had to like basically have sex with all these like teachers and colleagues and like it's just like I don't know like it's almost like It's like you having sex with all these people like you don't even know and they don't care about you and there is no emotional bond and there is no love, there is no even friendship.

It's like, I don't know, it's like a kind of like animal,

even worse

sex.

I mean, like, it doesn't make any sense.

With this commander, though, wasn't he gross?

He was gross, of course, all of them.

But I didn't want to go through all of them.

I was like thinking, I'd rather stick to one, choose the alpha in this crowd, make him my lover, so I would become his protege.

Okay, so he would protect me and maybe help me in my career.

And that was my plan.

So when he,

in the beginning, and I said it in the podcast, when he like, you know, gave me an order to have sex with him.

And I just completely like, you know, like, I'm just like a little young girl with like never had like any.

in any relationship with men at all like i didn't know what to do but when i felt so used that moment i was like you know what?

Like, I will make him to fall in love with me so I can sacrifice in this environment which I am because I had to go through that and I didn't know how.

I couldn't quit.

I couldn't run away.

I couldn't do anything.

I had to complete my education and become successful.

So I thought that moment that I'll make him to protect me and I did it.

But what happened?

He falled too much.

And again, that's my problem with all the values.

Exactly, that's why I don't date anyone on the violin.

Okay, yeah, I don't date anyone for because I don't want to break anyone's heart, anyone's heart, because it's uh, it's my responsibility, you know.

Like, I really feel this.

It's um, I know that at some point I broke his heart, especially this egoistic, narcissistic man.

What didn't he propose to you?

He did, so that's the whole thing.

Like, I couldn't say yes because of, like, I mean, like, hello, like, he's 30 years old, older, married with two kids.

His daughter, like, was was like older than me.

And on top of that, he raped me in the beginning, like, how the hell, like, I supposed to be a wife?

You kidding me?

But weren't you scared if you said no?

Like, look what happened.

Like, he, I didn't really say no.

I said, like, let's wait.

You know, I was trying to play it.

I'm like, oh, let's wait.

Like, oh, you know, like, I need to finish this.

I need to like, so I was kind of like this, but he understood.

He was really smart.

And so, what happened after that?

So, he understood that I kind of like rejected and he introduced me to that commander, my next commander, who

was just,

I don't know, like, I don't want to say any swear words because,

you know, but

it was the worst person in my life.

Like, I literally hated this person so much.

He was disgusting inside and outside.

And he was the one actually who led me into almost like my das.

That guy.

So he was responsible for all my nightmares and again in the end of the day if he wouldn't do it I wouldn't be sitting here with you right now

so then what but so what happened though like I know you can't tell me the details because it's not but at least yeah yeah but what happened like did he of you mean so of all these targets 500 700 whatever the the number is

none of them were deadly except this last one.

No, there was some deadly.

But not, but you got out okay.

No one led you in,

yes.

But look, I never operated by myself.

Like, when I was on the mission, I always had my team with me.

So, no, I didn't know.

Tell me, okay, so I wouldn't be just like there, you know, myself and like killing everybody here.

Like, no, I have no idea.

Tell me what would happen on a mission.

No, no, no.

So, basically, it's always okay.

So, basically, it works like this.

It's always a female.

If it's a mission of

getting information, infiltrating, recruiting, conformers, or whatever.

It's always a woman, female agent, but she also has a backup of two, three, four agents who

do different

roles in this performance, let's say.

Okay, for example, if you want to get, if you want to have a compromise on someone, compromise, you know, I'll just say it again.

Compromat is basically an evidence of

blackmailing.

So

it's an evidence for

your target where the target feels like he cannot.

Basically, it's kind of like a hookup for the target

where the target cannot say no on certain things, whatever you want him to do.

For example, if the politician would say, like, you ask me about Americans, like, I didn't do it, but like, I know that that's been done, and a lot of my colleagues were doing this.

For example, an American ambassador would be approached, Oleg, he would be connected or blah, blah, whatever, dating, kind of like dating with the female spy.

They would go to a private place, for example, a hotel room.

They would start to have sex.

And either the moment they would have sex or after ejaculation, there would be other

male spies, male agents, who would come and say, hey, by the way, we have everything taped, we recorded everything, so now you have to give us information we want, or you have to work with us.

Or like, you know, if you won't do that, then we will tell the government that you just left with our agent, whatever.

Or another thing would be

we would send it to we would send these evidences to like public or like publicly so for example if it's like a president of the country or somebody else I mean like who would want to have in media all these like you know videos with orgies and so on?

And basically, that was also the way how to get rid of many politicians, also in the Soviet Union and in Russia as well.

So, if somebody wanted to get rid of someone, they would send all these kind of like prostitutes.

In fact, they were not prostitutes, they were like agents working, and then they would just record everything and then say, Hey, so now you cannot say certain things, otherwise, we will show it to the world how how you having fun having drugs and having orgies with with girls so usually you had a group of people waiting somewhere for you or but like in one night i'm just trying to be like realistic right if you're trying to get it like no one's going to tell somebody something in the first night so if you're saying you have like 500 targets that's like 500 nights let's just no i would say like 500 not like targets but like over the time not like in that particular time over like time over time but even so like you said two years you're in the field.

So that means like if you're in, that's like two years would be what, 350 times two is 700.

That means almost more, every night you had a different target, let's just say,

or, or a few, right?

Like, I'm just, I'm thinking like human nature.

Like, I would never tell someone,

no matter how great your, how great your blowjob was.

I'm not telling you.

But I don't need to.

What if you have these evidences on your phone, on your computer, on your like papers or wherever?

All I need to do is just to get into your belongings.

That's all.

So, so, really, so basically, but is it before, like, you would have to do it before he

ejaculates, right?

Yeah, it's not necessarily just like having sex with all of them, right?

Right, right.

So, that's what I want to know the nitty-gritty.

The most important is just to basically get into the kind of like private space, private zone, like where, yeah, even the phone.

Are you breaking into the phone?

Phones, computers.

But how do you do it?

How do you break into someone's phone in one?

That's the thing.

So, me personally, no, because I always would be a bait, you know, like for a fish.

Again, like my colleagues, my team would do that.

So, they are the.

So, you basically wheel them into the hotel room?

I would just be like destruction of attention.

Always, you know, like that girl walking into the bar, whatever, looking really like eye catchy, whatever, and then destruct the target while other agents would work on getting into the phone, phone, laptop, all the things, suitcases,

whatever, like bags, whatever they have.

So then you have to take them back into the room.

So then do you have to sleep with them if they're not necessarily?

I didn't sleep with all of them, of course not.

But some of them, like, when did you have to sleep with them?

When do you not have to sleep with them?

So my main thing was sleeping for

establishing a long-term relationship, like I did with the mafia guys.

That was my main role is basically to get inside and just be the kind of like girlfriend.

And so, would you be able to keep this up while also doing

other

tasks with targets?

Like, let's say, for example, I meet you or you meet me, and now we have a relationship.

And while we're still having this relationship for, let's say, six months, a month, a year, you're still able to go and boat your business and do it with other targets as well.

Do you do two at the same time, basically?

I did before, but the one, which will be in the second part,

I didn't.

So I was so involved into the last mission.

We were basically living together.

So of course I couldn't do that.

Oh, really?

Yeah, so we went into like really serious relationship, like 24-7.

So sleeping with him and eating and went to all his whatever he was doing, like things and activities and businesses.

So I was like full-time girlfriend.

What were you what was his job?

Who was he?

So he was

the main leader of the drug trafficking criminal group, which is still actually active in Russia.

One of the most powerful and the one who actually helped Putin to become president.

Wow.

Yeah.

It's all coming from there.

Well, Russia was very criminal after

period after the 1991 USSR collapse.

So because of like Yeltsin was kind of like really weak president and all this happened, the whole Russia, like I mean, like it was a chaos like in the country at that time.

So a lot of criminal groups appeared and they took over the

power.

What's that guy's name?

Like what's his name?

So the guy you mean like whom I had to seduce.

Yeah, yeah.

His name was Vladimir.

He was my last task, my last mission.

And he was, I would say, even though he was a criminal, but from all of them, he

became my almost like angel.

Really?

And you fell in love with that guy?

Honestly,

you know what?

I didn't.

I really didn't.

No.

What would you say it was?

Of all the bad guys, he was the best.

You know what?

I respected him for many things.

He done like really good stuff, not for me, for a lot of people.

He would

help orphan kids and he helped a lot of poor people in Russia at that time.

He's a mafia guy, though, correct?

Yeah, yeah.

Is he dead now or where is he?

He's dead.

Yeah.

He's dead because of me.

Really?

Yeah, because of me.

What's his last name?

Vladimir.

Well, Vladimir, like

Vladimir.

I can't tell you that.

Because, okay, so the point is that also, like, a lot of people ask me, like, aren't you scared of the Russian government?

And I'm saying, like, well, hello.

I did only good things for the Russian government.

I never, so the reason why I really fled the country, it wasn't because of the Russian government.

It was actually because of the criminal world.

Because of his das and because of what I've done and because so many, so much drugs and money they lost.

because of my mission, because of me.

Right.

I, my, my commander who, like,

it will be in the podcast, basically,

not that commander, another one, commander of all the commanders, like the main commander, the general said, you know what, because of all this mission and what you've done, which is like you did a great job, well done, but you have to leave the country, otherwise they will find you and kill you because you've done all that.

And because of you, they lost the leader.

So I actually fled the country, not because of the Russian government.

And that's why I'm not saying anything bad about it.

it like I literally fled because of the criminal world of the mafia mafia even worse though because the mafia is could can't they can't the mafia come here and kill you look it's not i i hope not anymore because again it's been long time ago like how many years ago was this

well now it will be like um eighteen seventeen years ago seventeen years ago it's um I mean, first of all, it's been like such a long time.

And then everything got so

kind of of like, like everything got changed.

So many people died.

So many people like new came to their power and all that.

Putin became much, much stronger.

I mean, like, he is

the one

in the country, in Russia.

So I don't think they would want to terminate me now.

There is no point.

Like, what for?