Episode 486: Antonio Sabato Jr.: From Teen Heartthrob to Boxing at 53 (And Why He Was Blacklisted from Hollywood)

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A woman, a lady, a girl in your 40s, 50s, maybe mid-30s, I'm not sure, or late 30s, you're going to love this guest, okay?

We have Antonio Sabato Jr.

on the show today, who is my childhood crush of all crushes.

Well, you and Jordan Knight, like I did say that, Jordan Knight from New Kids, who maybe will come on next week.

Who knows?

Who knows?

See, why not?

Why not?

Why not, right?

Why not?

Just quick backstory.

I got a DM from

Antonio's publicist and who's like, hey, and he's like, hey, any interest in having Antonio on your podcast?

And I was like, I had to do a double take.

And I was like, oh my God.

He was like my huge crush.

Like, absolutely.

Thanks.

And the guy wrote me back and he's like, you like, literally everybody that he mentioned your name to in the female category was like, oh my God, that was my big crush.

Like, it wasn't just me.

Thank you.

Isn't that hilarious?

It's awesome.

Very humbling experience.

You know, to be back in the limelight, to be back in Hollywood, to be back in doing what I love.

It's really humbling.

It's really,

I'm very blessed.

And by the way, VC seems really nice, but I don't know yet.

We'll find out.

But okay, on this show, what we always do before we start the actual interview is we do a healthy shot.

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Yes.

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Right?

Good.

I'm glad.

I'm glad I can, I can be of service here.

Thank you very much.

All right.

So let's get going here.

I've got so many questions about like you because

I have to, it's just why not?

I have so many questions.

Sure.

I remember being really young and you're still young.

Let's not forget.

Thank you.

You're still young.

Okay.

Thank you.

You're right.

Young and old.

You know, it depends how you see life.

You know what I mean?

So that's how you judge yourself.

That's true.

You know it's funny i feel like you know they always say like 40 is the new 20 50 is a new 30 you know like when i walked in and i saw you you actually have not physically aged you look you look exactly the same i feel better than ever i think mentally and physically and spiritually than ever never ever in my life and i'm 53 years old and i'm just proud of the fact that i'm still still there doing it and doing it very, very hard and I'm consistent.

Consistency and a lifestyle is very important for me.

And that's why I'm still still doing it is because I never stopped.

Oh, that's that's the whole thing.

That is the, that is the key to longevity and

aging gracefully is just the momentum, never stopping.

Once you stop, that's when like all helps.

But stop everything.

Not just working out and training and everything, but just

stop being young and having that mentality of just going after things and being aggressive in the things that you want and not giving up on your dreams.

You know, things change in life and get harder or whatever, but they don't to be.

They can get smoother and you can just keep going.

You know, in your 20s, I always say like people are very eager and they got all that testosterone and all that.

And then after 30, it's like this starts slowing down.

I'm like, no, it doesn't have to slow down.

You can keep pushing and pushing and pushing.

Life is really precious.

Don't give up.

And I want to be, and I see like my life changing a lot of people's lives without, without me even trying.

Cause I see people like now I'm boxing all the time.

People got their trainers and showing their their pictures and videos of them boxing.

They never boxed before.

You know, like family members are boxing right now.

Like, you know, so if you can showcase that you can do it, they can get off their, you know, the couch and start doing it for themselves and you can start changing people's lives.

And I think.

That works in families too.

If you've seen family members, kids, mothers, fathers, what a grandfather would change in their lives, all of a sudden they're like, you know what?

Let me try that too, you know, and

you can change communities.

You can change the world.

I believe it.

Yeah.

I mean, listen, also, like, that's very inspirational, right?

Like, anyone could do it at any age for sure.

Yeah.

But, you know,

genetics are genetics.

You were like, like, you like.

Yeah, but genetics are genetics, but also you need to find out what the best genetics for you are.

Or by pushing yourself, you know?

Right.

Well, nobody knows their limit.

I think it's important for people to push their limit to know for themselves.

Right.

Because also, that's how you build self-esteem and confidence, right?

Absolutely.

If you don't do those things, how would you ever know what you're doing?

And And you're going to keep evolving and you're going to keep looking a little bit different and unique as you get older.

But I think you should take that opportunity to every day to learn about yourself and really experience, you know, how far can I go?

Do I still want those dreams?

Let's go after those things.

You know, let's climb those mountains.

Let's meet new people.

Let's let's go after things that maybe other people don't want me to do.

Because society and people always, their insecurity, affects yours.

And it comes in your life and go, oh, you can't do it.

You can't do it.

Well, who are you to tell me I can't do it?

I can't do it and I will do it and it's going to happen no matter what.

We talk about that a lot on the show or I talk about that a lot that, you know, when you ask for, when you, when you tell somebody what you want to do or you ask for opinions, all you're going to get are is their fear or their experience, right?

And so why would you then make your decision based on someone else's bad experience or their personal opinion?

And they will affect you.

Of course.

It's the difference between doing something and not doing something.

That's where you need to be focused and know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it for.

And it should be a selfish thing for yourself because it's like being on that, on the plane and they always say put the mask on and then help everybody else.

You got to help yourself.

You got to get to a place when you're comfortable and go, I'm doing this no matter what.

You can have your opinion.

Opinions vary.

The world is always going to say, and most of the times, the way I see it is 90% of the world doesn't want you to succeed.

So just know that.

So if you're lucky and unfortunate, 10% of your family members and even family members are against you when you're succeeding.

So it doesn't mean like the bloodline, you know, it's really what you have inside.

And the people that I've hung out with, like the Michael Jordan, you know, the Chuck Norris, you know, all these people that Michael Schumacher, seven-time world champion, all these people have shown me that they have done it their way.

And nobody is going to change.

their way, no matter what happens.

If it rains or shine, it's the same thing.

And so I've always done it.

And my father and my mother have always been there as role models where, you know what, coming from another country, from Italy, coming here, succeeding, failing.

You know, now I'm back in, you know, in my career doing something that I love when everybody tossed me on the side.

I'm like, you know what?

We're going to keep fighting.

I'm going to keep my head straight and I'm going to keep going after it no matter what.

Okay, well, listen, that's good.

So you just like, it was a good segue because I want to know what did happen to you because I mean, yes, like when you, like all I really know, I'm going to be totally honest,

I was very honest.

The reason why I had you on the show, you're not the typical person I would put on, but because you were my huge crush, I'm like, how can I not say yes, right?

I feel.

And so, but you were massive back then.

I mean, you were like the Calvin, well, from what I remember, I was, of course, 12 years old, but the Calvin Klein model and Melrose Place were the two things that I kind of like remember the most about you.

And you were, but you were like everywhere.

Like you were the guy.

Like, I don't know what would be the equivalent now to to this.

Me again, because I'm

a comeback story.

Yeah, the comeback story.

But I want to put this in per I want this to be put in perspective for young people who are like watching this.

You were kind of like the Justin Bieber of like the 90s.

Yeah.

I broke a lot of rules.

You know, when I was on General Hospital, they told me you can't.

And back in the day, it was different.

We didn't have.

It was a different time.

No social media, no Twitter or Instagram, none of that.

And no cell phones, you know, to the point that we're using them now.

So back then, it was like when you did a soap opera, you were stuck doing that.

Right.

And people and agents and managers said, you know, you got to do this and you can't go to nighttime and do a TV show and you can't be a film actor.

And I was like, no, it will.

Because I was the first one to be in Arsenia Hall when I was on General Hospital.

I was the first one to be on TV Guide at the time.

We have TV Guide.

I remember.

Start with how it happened.

Like, what was like, give us the evolution of who you are?

Because I know you as like, when you were were like a super hot model slash actor that all the girls liked.

Okay.

Tell me what, like, what happened?

How did you get picked for Calvin Klein?

Sure.

How did you, like, what was the, like, what was the kind of pivotal moment in your career that you became the Antonio?

They think I became a model, which is not true.

What really happened, I came to this country when I was 12 years old with my family, my sister, and my mother, and my dad.

Okay.

And we came here with a green card and dreams.

And we came to Los Angeles and I went to acting school right away.

I went to Stella Adler.

You know, one of my favorite teachers was Nina Fo.

She's passed away and a great actress.

I went to the actor studio and I really want to pursue the acting.

My father was an actor for many years in Europe and America.

But when he came here, he had a hard time.

The so-called friends in the business never helped my dad.

My dad had a very Italian heavy accent.

And back then, you couldn't be a leading actor if you had an heavy accent.

So he was tossed on the side and he dedicated his life and my mother for me and my sister to go to school here and learn the language because, you know, we didn't speak English.

So I pursued the acting so much that in that process, I wanted to get out of high school.

I went to different high schools.

I got kicked out of some high schools.

I got in trouble.

Whatnot.

Oh, you're a bad kid?

I wasn't a bad kid, but, you know, I didn't take no for an answer.

I didn't like kids picking on me.

And I, and I always hung out with not the popular kids.

I hung out with the tough kids.

That's just the type of person I've always been.

And I always wanted to protect them as much as they wanted to protect me.

My parents tried to put me in private schools.

I went to Palisés.

I went to St.

Bernard's.

I even went to Beverly Hills High.

None of the schools worked.

And then we went back to Italy because we ran out of money.

And I had to go back to Italy for one year when I was a teenager, when I was about 15, 16 years old, and then came back here the second time.

And so I went to all these different high schools.

I even went to school in Italy.

So I was like, what am I going to do?

So I was like, I'm going to leave school.

And I left school.

I packed my bags.

I lied to my parents and I told them that I took a GD test, which I didn't.

I took half of it and I didn't pass it, but they believed me.

So I took off and I went to New York to pursue my acting career and I started working.

I started doing Italian movies.

I started working in the industry doing small things here and there.

And then all of a sudden, I got General Hospital.

That was the first thing you did.

That was, well, I got Janet Jackson video.

Love will never do without you.

That's right.

Oh my God.

I love, I watched that video a million times.

That was the first thing you did?

That was the first thing that people saw me, but they didn't a clue who i was they didn't have a name attached to it but there was like that's the guy from janet jackson because that video for sure was a beginning that was that that was the pivotal because you were so gorgeous not the thing you're not saying i remember being like oh my god who is that guy in the janet jackson video all of us were that right that was you that was the pivotal moment okay go on and so how old are you that video and wait the way how old are you that video i was 17 i was 17

back then she was at least 10 years old than me, or at least she was in the mid-20s, late 20s.

Yeah, they picked a 17-year-old kid to be the guy.

Yeah, well, they did.

And that was about 17 years old.

And I just, I had my, you know, I had my driver.

As a matter of fact, when I got that job, I was working as a messenger.

I had my car, my radio in my car, and I used to deliver scripts all over town.

And that's how I got my commercial agent because I walked in and I started talking to people.

And then I got the commercial agent that sent me to Dada Audition, then got me the job for Janet Jackson.

And then I left school, like I said, I went to New York and pursue my acting career.

And I went for General Hospital the first time.

I didn't get it.

Wait, go back to the Janet Jackson video.

This is very interesting.

So you were only 17 years old when you got that.

Herb Ritz, Peter Savik, which I still know.

He did my hair, did the Janet Jackson wig and all that stuff.

A great hairstylist, the best in the world.

And then I met Janet.

And then I started working with Herb Ritz on the video.

And

did that, did that video,

once that video came came out did your phone like just go crazy well it did and it didn't because like i said they didn't have a name attached to that guy it was like the guy from janet jackson until i was i was hired on general hospital and then i was there for two years working every single day on on gh and you know we we i made the show and i took the show to higher places i think we were i got it to number two in two years and it was really good for me and i broke around a lot of rules you know i was i was a really eager actor.

I wanted to really pursue this acting thing.

And, you know, I got an acting coach to come with me every day on General Hospital.

I started boxing with my trainer, Chris Steele, at the time.

Every single day before I got to GH at three in the morning, I was really dedicated to making this my life.

And I had a steady job, which is amazing.

You know, I was able to buy myself a better car.

I got myself a house.

You know, I was like living the dream.

In New York.

No, here.

So General hospital was not, I thought that was, it was

right here in Hollywood in Prospect Avenue.

Okay, so I want to make sure, I want to chronologically follow this.

So then you were doing General Hospital when you were what, 18, 19 then?

Yep.

I was in my early 20s.

Yeah.

Well, 18, how many years did you do it?

In my 20s when I got general hospital.

And then two years later at 22, I was a first-time dad.

My son, Jack, was born at 22.

So yeah, I got general hospital when I was 20.

And so you did it for how many years?

Two years.

So why did you leave?

Well, I wanted to leave because I wanted to pursue my acting career.

I wanted to, I want to, I also, I had a chance to work with Steven Spielberg on a TV show called Earth 2.

We shot it in New Mexico.

And I was starting in that show and I couldn't say it was NBC.

It was Steven Spielberg.

It was 24 shows I already picked for the entire year and I couldn't say no to it.

And I wanted to pursue my acting.

I wanted to do movies.

I wanted to travel.

I just didn't want to do so.

Right.

But how did your life case, so did your life start to really change when you were doing General Hospital?

Oh, yeah.

So like what?

The fan base.

Tell me what happened.

I want to know all about that stuff.

The fan base was astronomical.

The fan base on general hospital to this day, to this day, they want me to come back to General Hospital.

As a matter of fact, I'm willing to come back.

You know, if you guys, you know, will have me, I'll come back and bring the real Jagger case back to that show.

But anyway, the fans have been with me ever since.

And they never left me.

And then their daughters, their sons have been with me.

So I have like families who have followed me ever since.

But you're only on for like two years.

Two years.

But I made an impact.

I really wanted to change people's minds about my enthusiasm, my work ethic, everything.

Okay, so, but when you were doing that show, like what, because you're right, there's no social media and all the other stuff.

What was, what was being off, like, how did you get the...

I was very, I was very ahead of its game.

I wanted to be.

on covers that weren't just related to soaps.

I wanted to cross over.

And, you know, I was on Arsenia Hall at the time, which he never had a soap opera actor on.

have you because he knew i was different he knew uh women were crazy for you do you not remember this i do i i used to do a lot of uh appearances all over the country and they were there were just thousands and thousands of people great fans that backed me up i used to do car shows i of course from detroit to chicago and everywhere across the the nation and uh the fan i had to hire somebody to take care of my fan but you know because we used to get like real fan letters yeah so there were bags and bags on a weekly basis.

Were you the most popular one on General Hospital?

Yeah.

I mean, I worked with an executive producer, Wendy Rich, amazing person who really believed in me.

And I tell people, young actors too,

you got to get together with people who really, truly believe and see you for who you are.

And she really saw my enthusiasm, my work ethic.

And it took it to the next level and really helped me a lot.

And she knew I could back her up too and the show.

And I really was part of that show.

I really wanted to make the show the biggest show ever and i never treated it like a soap opera for me it was it was just to me working as a thespian as an actor it didn't really matter if i was on soaps or tv or movies it was always the same thing and i always hated the fact that people told me like well you know soaps you do this kind of acting or you do this for tv i'm like no no no i take it serious no matter what i i you know when this is hard here this is hard here and it's all under the same bubble and so i never treated it differently i think they saw that and i think our senior saw that That's why he had me on the show.

Okay, so then you went from doing two years of General Hospital, then you did the Steven Spielberg show.

Yep.

And that show never took off, obviously, did it?

No, it should have.

And it never had the chance.

Like I said, it was ahead of its time.

And after that show, I went to Melbourne's Place.

And I worked with Darren Spelling and Heather Lockley.

And you were on for how many years?

I was just there for seven episodes.

That's it?

That's it.

Yeah, I always wanted to hit and go.

But those shows that I did, they're so memorable.

Like everything I've done, because I wanted to make movies and I kept making movies.

And one of those films was a film that Calvin Klein saw.

And then years later, I did three campaigns for Calvin Klein because he saw a film I did called If Looks Could Kill for Fox.

I actually remember that.

You know what?

It's a great film.

I love that film.

One of my favorites.

Do you remember?

Okay, so then why did they only sign you for seven episodes for Melrose?

I wanted to do that.

I didn't want to be stuck on anything.

I never wanted to be stuck on anything for too long.

No, but then why did they not?

Why did you never

Aaron Spelling and I had a meeting about the character and I told him, you know, I want to stay for a little bit for an arc, but I don't want to be here longer than that because I have other plans.

And he totally understood that.

And so he wrote this little arc, which, you know, turned out to be bigger than I thought with Hedelock Lier because I wanted to work with her.

She was the biggest star of the show.

Yeah.

And so I was the ex-husband who comes back in their life.

And it was really awesome because I got to work with everybody.

Jack Wagner, another good friend of mine that I've known for many years.

He's from General Hospital.

Yep.

Yeah.

Was he on that show?

I don't remember.

Yeah, he was.

Yep.

So then, did you ever like date?

Enbold in the beautiful.

We worked together.

Oh, the Bold and the Beautiful.

Yeah.

Oh, you were on that show too?

Yeah, just for a little bit as well.

Did you date anybody from?

I never dated anybody I worked with.

Really?

Never.

Never.

No.

I never wanted to cross over and bring business and pleasure.

None of that.

I always, I'm the most professional guy.

Seriously, I take pride in what I do and I don't date who I work with ever.

So you did Melrose Place, then you went and did...

Okay, then what happened?

I want to know who everyone.

And then I just started making movies non-stop.

What was the biggest movie you made?

From the big hit, you know, with Mark Wahlberg to, you know, the movie that I have now, you know, Grace by Night is it's amazing.

I mean, I'm very proud of that.

But I've made so many films over the years.

I don't even tell, I don't even know.

I'm like, I've done, I've worked in Australia.

I worked in Italy.

I've done many mini-series in Italy, in Italian.

I worked in Australia on a show with George Miller called Tribe.

I've done over a hundred, I lost count, over a hundred movies.

So then, okay, so I mean this is the nicest possible way, but what happened to you?

Because you were so big and then I never heard from you again.

Well, I started, you know, what happened, one of my crazy ideas, because I love Los Angeles and I love the state of California.

And years ago, I was the first one to support President Trump.

I was the first one to support him on TV.

I was the first one to come out and say, the president was running to be president.

He's my guy.

I believe what he's saying.

And I've always been that whatever comes comes out of my mind, whatever I'm truthful to it, I'm going to be honest 100%.

I'm not going to lie.

I'm not going to take it back.

I'm not going to play this game.

And so when I did that, and I came from a really good place, I was blacklisted from day one.

I also ran for Congress in my community because I don't like all the homelessness and all the stuff that they've done to the state.

So I said, instead of talking about it, like most celebrities talk about all the things that they hate about the government and politics, I wanted to run and understand about what really goes on in the political world.

And I did.

I went to Washington, D.C.

I did my, I won my primary, and I'm glad I never won the seat because I don't want to be in politics at all.

Right now, I don't want nothing to do with the Republicans.

I don't want nothing to do with the Democrats.

I don't want nothing to do with it.

But because I learned from it, and I also learned so much about the government, how really this place works and the state of California.

So when I did that, I went to the RNC, which is the biggest...

you know, place to talk in front of the world about.

And I wanted to express my opinion about coming to this country and loving this nation and what it's done for me.

And I was completely blacklisted.

All my managers and agents and commercial agents all dropped me over 24 hours.

And I was called the worst names and I was put into the corner.

And so I had to leave Hollywood.

I couldn't work.

I had to pay for my kids.

I had to pay to live and all that stuff.

So I moved to Florida and I went in construction.

I was working in concrete pumping.

I was doing concrete pumping management in the state of Florida, mostly in Tampa, and working in construction.

And people know about construction, after 35 years in the entertainment world, you're treated, you know, the opposite.

You know, you're not treated kindly.

And so I put the tail between my legs, my pride, and I had to do what I had to do to take care of my family.

And that's why things changed.

And now,

you know, I've been blessed by God and I have a second chance and I'm coming back stronger than ever.

And I'm back to retain my title and do what I got to do.

But I am glad I went through the hell and back because I love my wife twice as much.

I love my kids twice as much.

I'm more committed twice as much than I ever was.

And

when you have to sell everything you ever had, when you have to know who your real friends are, when you have to go through these hard times, you have two choices.

You either stick in it or you get out of it.

And now I'm out of it.

And I'm stronger than ever because of it.

And that's why things change in my life.

But I never changed my opinion.

I never backed down like most celebrities and most actors.

They have to apologize and they have to, oh, I didn't mean it.

I meant everything I said.

And

I'm not going to change who I am.

And I sleep good at night.

I lost material things, sure.

I lost money and jobs and opportunities.

Yes,

my integrity, who I am as a person, never changed.

And I'm trying to show that to my, to my children, to my family, and to anybody out there, that if you go after your dreams, stick to it and never change your opinions because that's who you are.

So you're telling me that 2016, right?

That was when the first time it happened, right?

Almost 10 years ago.

10 years ago, you were basically blacklisted and gone.

Yep.

So where were you?

Where were you between 2008 and 2016?

Oh, I was in California working.

What were you doing?

I was making films.

I was doing TV shows.

You were still making a living.

Oh, yeah.

I was doing very well.

You know, I produced reality shows.

I won reality shows.

Tell me.

I won several.

I won Cupcake Wars.

You were in Cupcake Wars?

Yeah, I did Stars in Danger for Fox about learning how to diving from the platform.

I won that one.

You won that one?

Celebrity Circus, I won that one for NBC.

I also did Dancy with the Stars.

I did seven weeks of that.

But I have my reality things that I've won.

Sorry.

Reality kind of, again, don't hate me for saying these things.

I'm just.

Isn't reality kind of the shows that you were doing is where people go to die, right?

Like, those are not where people, you know, who are like these world-renowned, you know,

Juilliard Apple.

It's different now.

It's different.

You know, I had opportunities at the beginning.

I started things.

When I did my Antonio for VH1, I was executive producing a show.

What is that?

That was The Bachelor on Steroids.

Really?

In Hawaii.

Yeah.

I was pretty much had the whole island of Hawaii to myself.

And girls wanted to date me.

And I brought my mother with it was an amazing show.

I had a lot of time.

What year was this?

That was in that time in the in the 2008 2010 uh area yeah so you had a show where they basically had um women they had to climb a mountain to date me they had to jump out of helicopters to date me i mean literally out of an helicopter open the doors and jump into the ocean to date me so i i could how could i say no this is what i want so what happened why it was it listen reality shows are scripted reality shows so nothing happened of course you know but did it do well that's a funny show.

Yeah, there was a winner, but nothing happened between me and her.

And it was just

a dinner date?

Like, what did you do?

Like, go to dinner?

I told you.

Did they have to jump out of helicopter?

Did they have to go?

Yeah, I said what happened.

What was the date?

What did she get for jumping out of helicopter?

I was like, I'm going to get a few days and we got to know each other.

And then they had to deal with my mother, which is, she's incredible and funny.

And it was one of the best shows ever.

So I started, I started things and I did things before anybody else did.

And remember, we didn't have the social media.

We didn't have all this stuff going on as much as we do now.

That's a good idea, though.

Hold on a second.

so that show was like like 15 years ago let's say 18 years ago

yeah but even before that show like I guess this is my question did you get pigeonholed as being like the hot you know underwear model where were people even taking you seriously to even offer you real roles maybe at sign at times with casting directors you know sometimes they would like you know they wouldn't give me a chance or whatever because whatever you know the way I look whatever that means but for me it was like I'm gonna do it my way.

And that's the way I've been.

Like, you know, if he didn't hire me for this, I'll find another movie to be hired.

Right.

And I produce this other film.

I'll produce this other film.

So I always consistently working and doing movies that I wanted.

You were still working, basically.

Always, always.

So you always made, like, so before this whole blacklist happened and get

three or four movies a year.

Right.

And so you would do like the case.

So tell me other reality ones.

I'm going to go back and look.

So you did the Cop K Wars.

Cop K Wars.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

You know?

The Stars and Whatever.

Stars in Danger, which it was like...

That's another show that I got.

And how I got it, there were two other celebrities.

I'm not going to embarrass you guys.

No, tell me.

Well, Happy Senko is one of them, the baseball player, right?

And so basically, they would have a training session when you have to go to UCLA and dive from 15 to 20 feet out of the platform and learn how to do like a one and a half dive into the water.

And if you know about diving, that's the most dangerous, most bruised like body gets destroyed, right?

And so they walked away.

Some of these guys walked away and they had, they were missing two guys.

So one of the two guys was me.

So they called me like, you have a week and a half to learn two dives, one from a 15-footer and the other one you have to dive on on a synchronized dive with Tyler Owen.

And so I did it with him and I won the single dive.

So I'm very competitive.

I don't lose.

Well, I raced professionally in those years.

I raced at Indianapolis.

I wanted to be a race car driver and I was racing go-karts since I was a little boy, but I just, I did things.

My mother always tells me like, you do things at different times.

You know, I started gymnastics in my 30s because I wanted to do like backflips and handsprings and all that stuff.

I did that for 10 years.

I did things my way.

And it's not necessarily the time or, like, I'm boxing now professionally.

Like, it's unbelievable.

I know.

Philadelphia in two months.

And I'm 53.

So for me, it's, to me, it's like whenever I want to do things, and my kids and my family know how crazy I am.

You know, I've been skydiving.

I jump out of planes.

I learned how to fly planes later.

I mean, like, I do things my way.

And so you really do actually.

When you say, because you really think about it, like when I, when your guy was saying to me, yeah, he's doing this like celebrity boxing tournament, I'm like, hold on a second.

And I looked at, I'm like, isn't it like 20, 25?

He must be over 50 by now.

And like, you're doing things like at like, like the gym, who does gymnastics in their 30s?

That's like impossible.

No, but yeah, and I did it.

Did you learn how to do a backflip?

Yeah.

Backhand spring and everything.

Yeah.

And a double flip and everything.

Yeah.

All of it.

And my, and my daughter was actually turning to be an elite gymnast.

She, she had to quit because she broke one of her, one of her fingers.

So she's, because gymnastics is one of the hardest

ever.

But yeah, I did things at different times in my life and I'm not going to stop.

I have goals.

I want to race a 24-hour Le Man.

I want to race with the prototypes in the next few years.

And nobody's going to stop me.

I want to race a McLaren for the North America Series.

I'm working on it.

We're talking to them right now.

Yeah.

We're talking to them right now.

And I'm going to keep pushing.

I'm going to put it out there.

God bless you.

And

I want to keep pushing for all these things.

So it's going to happen.

I want to keep fighting too.

I don't want to fight.

I want to fight better boxers, professional boxers who are retired, who are willing to step into the ring.

I mean, and make movies and do everything.

Like, I am so eager.

This is the beginning of phase two.

See, this is amazing because this actually, it's when you, when I first got here with you and you're like, yeah, like age is just a number.

I'm like, yeah, yeah, everyone just says that.

But literally, like, it's not like, it doesn't even like cross your mind that, oh, I'm 50-something.

So therefore I can do that.

Right.

But you're, But I can tell even the way you're saying it, that it's actually like

really believe it.

I'll tell you a story.

I went to Vegas and Vegas has, I think at the Mirage, was it the Mirage?

It has one of the biggest water tanks

where they have like live fish.

They have about 40 tiger sharks.

Last time I was there, I called the hotel, the marketing department.

I said, is anybody like celebrities wanted to swim with the sharks in the tank?

I said, nobody's ever done it.

So I want to come in.

So I signed my release i wear my my my steel mesh suit and i went and swam with 40 tiger sharks for about almost two hours at the tank and everything that's the type of guy i am so i i don't have any limits on if i want to do something i'm going to do it i you know i i go to the sphere or whatever one of those tall and i jump you know with the with the with the harness you know what i mean i i went to new zealand one of the tallest buildings there on my day off i was doing a movie and during that day off i was bored i'm like i climb you know you go up there and they hook you you up on this harness and basically you stand at the edge and they lower you down pretty fast about 700 whatever feet and i was like i don't want to be lowered i want to jump off of it can i jump off of it so you can jump off and then we'll just lower you down at the end so i jumped off of it i mean that's that's the type of guy i am i have nothing to prove to the world but to myself yeah yeah yeah you know and so and like i said skydiving is another thing i you know i like to skydive from 18 000 500 20 000 feet and i go up there and i jump and i dive okay get back to the tiger sharks for a second at Mirage.

Are they allowed?

Like if I were to call Mirage myself and be like, oh no, they allowed me.

Why did they allow you?

Because aren't they living?

Even if something happens to you, that'd be a horrible PR scandal.

It would be horrible.

It would be the worst thing ever.

But

they couldn't say no.

I had just, I have to come and do it.

But like, wouldn't they?

They'd be asking, why?

What's going on?

I'm like, I want to do it.

I want to swim.

Did they video it?

I've been swimming with sharks my whole life.

I go to Great Barrier Reef and I swim with them and I swim with hammer sharks and I name any name and I told them, you know, I'm a diver.

I've been diving for decades since I was a teenager and they couldn't say no.

Did they film it?

They did film it.

They have it.

We have pictures and videos.

And like I said, I had to really, I had to sign a release.

I had to wear the mesh, the whole steel body mesh and went down there.

But like, I'm just thinking, if I was someone working at Morales.

No one's ever done, not even Tom Cruise, you've done that.

I was just going to say, you know,

you remind me of Tom Cruise because like he's the only other person I know who is like, he's in his 60s now.

Yeah.

But I mean, this guy's Tom and I give him so much credit.

He's fearless.

Yeah.

Fearless.

Did you hear what he did when it about that

building out of,

you know, when he was in Dubai?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it was taking too long.

Like they were giving, like, he didn't want to waste film.

Like, he didn't want to waste like actual time where he can be like filming.

Yeah.

So he

taught himself how he can stay outside hanging on the, on that, what's that building?

Yeah, yeah.

The tallest building in the world.

In the world, the tallest building in the world.

But what is it called?

Yes,

I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, it's called Bursch Khalifa.

Yeah, Burch Khalifa.

Yeah, Burst Khalifa.

He like taught himself.

They're like, I'm sorry, you can't do this.

It's like,

guys like us,

it doesn't occur to him to not do it.

No, it's fun.

For us, it's fun.

It's what life is about.

And also, F1, like we said before we started, you know, it was like Brad Pitt doing F1.

He was a 50-year-old guy doing it.

And the only reason why that was real, it wasn't realistic.

It just, it was a movie.

So that's why they allowed and they're like, yeah, well, there's no F1 driver on the planet who's 50 years old.

There's not one.

So him doing it, it's, of course, it's Brad Pitt in a movie.

It would be me.

I would do it.

And you're saying you're going to do the same thing.

Yeah.

I'm going to be professionally racing.

I'm probably going to be in the GT or the prototypes.

But if they gave me a chance to jump in a Formula One car, I would do it.

I race Formula 3000, Formula 2000, open wheels with Skip Barber.

So that's my world.

I've been associated with Formula One.

My father was in the greatest Formula One movie of all time, Grand Prix, which Brad Pitt and Lewis Hamilton, everybody in that movie saw to take a lot of information for this film.

But the F1 movie is not realistic at all.

No, that's what I'm saying.

He knows about, but it's not just him and the car, it's just how the movie was done.

Formula One is done on qualifying, qualifying and setup.

So they cover some stuff, but they never cover the qualifying.

Tell me, what is that?

Tell us.

Qualifying is everything F1.

Whatever you qualify on qualifying day will get you in the lead.

And most of the times, most of the tracks, there's not going to be a lot of passing, depending on weather or rain or tire setup.

But it's all going to be one on qualifying, which there was never addressed in the entire film at all.

But and all the other things, the fun stuff at the end of the film where he crashed and the slow and all that, that's fun to watch, but it's not realistic and it would never happen.

We know that as professional race car drivers, I know everything about Formula One.

I was a spokesperson, the Indy F1 back in the day, the first F1 Grand Prix in many years in Indianapolis.

I raced at Indianapolis.

I've been associated and been friends with race car drivers my whole life, my father before me, from Jackie Stewart to Phil Hill and everybody in between, Schumacher, Body Kerr, and all these guys.

But, you know, it's a fun film.

It was shot really well.

But, you know what I mean?

If they were doing an F1 movie, it would be a whole different story, a real F1 movie.

But, you know, I'm glad that Brad Pitt is able to bring that world into into america but back then you know like in the in the 80s or 90s formula one was not popular at all no i agree it wasn't it became very popular and probably in the last few years five years yeah because

the netflix right because of the show yeah but also formula one as a sport has changed dramatically you know the the whole game is is changed you know it's it's a whole different ballgame tell me tell me you know well we kids are racing now but basically you know you have max verstoppen which is my favorite race i love him he's amazing he's he's the best and it's all about simulation i've simulated in professional simulation my whole life i mean from video games obviously but also professional simulators professional simulators that f1 drivers use i've raced in every single racetrack around the world a thousand times i've done 24-hour limand in a simulator a thousand times i know every single racetrack around the world if you show me a corner of a racetrack i'll tell you what racetrack that is from monza to monaco to spa to silverstone american racetracks from Miami, easy.

I raced also professionally at Indianapolis, like I said, California Speedway, Laguna Seca, Albert Park in Australia, Cataluia in Spain.

You know, Singapore is one of my favorite tracks that I simulated at.

I can Suzuka, you name it, China, Russia, Argentina, original track.

Like, I know everything about Formula One and all the tracks around the world.

So for me, Formula One and racing is in my blood.

I can tell you in and out, and we can talk for days and days and days about what takes place on a weekend in the Formula One weekend, and what it really takes place with these kids.

Now you have kids who are 18, 19, 20 years old who are video gamers, who are very thin, they're very skinny.

Some of them

don't even bike that much.

You know, back in my day, to be a race car driver, you would have to physically fit to a whole new level.

Now they do a lot of neck exercises and all stuff, but they're skinny guys.

Most of the times when you get the g-forces, you understand the car so you can push it.

Basically, the training is mostly lower back, you know, neck, things like that.

But, you know,

some exercises with weights.

But, you know, the Schumacher days, the Senna days, those days, the 80s and 90s, you were talking about guys.

doing a lot of training and they were fit to a whole new level.

I thought they still did that because.

Not to the level that they do now.

I mean, now they're playing racquetball.

They're going to play, you know, they're on weekends.

Yeah.

They're doing some biking and things like that.

They're doing some neck stuff offseason.

What were they doing like with Schumacher Dave?

Schumacher was a whole different ballgame.

You know, Michael Schumacher, who I hang out with, I play soccer with him.

He was my favorite driver of all time.

His fitness level was a whole different ballgame.

I mean, we're talking about doing a lot of weights, a lot of boxing, which race car drivers don't do as much.

And look at their bodies.

You can see it with the way they look.

They're tiny.

But I thought

very skinny.

But I thought that was on purpose because they didn't want to have weight in the car.

Yeah, they have to be lower weight, but they're not cut.

They're not fit.

They're not like...

Yeah, they're not fit.

No, they're not, you know,

Alonzo is probably one of the guys that still does a lot of biking, does a lot of cardio, but I have never seen like Max do, be on a bike.

Or how about remember that guy, Ricardo?

Oh, Ricardo?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He doesn't look that small to me.

They're very skinny and they have, they have to keep the weight very low, but they're not muscular.

They don't have to

toned.

You're right.

They're not doing the same caliber.

So what did like Schumacher do do back then that they're not doing right now weights a lot of weight a lot of weight a lot of weight training and they were michael was it he also played a lot of soccer and also like i said he did a lot of weights that no other driver is even doing right now just just the force and g-forces he did a lot of neck stuff with a lot of heavy weights and nobody does as much anymore i still see them doing that they put that weight plate and the yeah he took it to another level like his fitness level was seven days a week it was he was his his body was you could see it the way he looked really yeah he was a different different different guy altogether and he changed he changed the game but now like i said they're just they look like kids you know they're like kids playing their video games you know what i mean and they're doing you know the reason why max is so good is to another level is because of simulation like his simulator uh game is to a whole new level like like he goes after the race and he finishes first or whatever he finishes or he or he like the last race of silverstone and he goes and he does a race worldwide in a simulation with all these other race car drivers around the way, and he wins that.

Or he does like, he's back into the seat and doing simulation over and over again.

Like his eyesight is...

It's just a whole different level.

Are the other guys not doing that?

No, they were.

After the last race, they were

at the premiere of the F1 movie.

And the only one that wasn't there was Max.

You know why?

Because he was racing back in Europe and a simulation worldwide, whatever he was doing, and back in the car, back in the simulator and just doing what he loves to do.

Like he loves racing.

So that's what I do.

I'm in a simulator every single day.

Like I am racing, whether I'm on the games or the simulation things that I have.

I'm doing it every day.

And what is it?

You're sitting in a, you're

sitting in a seat like this.

Yeah.

And I'm racing.

It's like a video game.

It's a video game.

Yeah.

And that's what Formula One is.

It's a video game.

It's literally a video game right now.

With all the panels, everything you have, talking to the pits and everything.

You have, you know, you have 20 different engineers telling you different stuff and all this other stuff and setups and this and that.

It's a video game.

What about NASCAR?

How is it different than NASCAR?

Well, NASCAR is different.

Obviously, you're doing a lot of ovals and they're street courses.

You know, I would love to do the Chicago street course.

So that's amazing.

But that's, that's a whole different skill because you don't have technology adding to it.

Right.

That's, you know, and that's also about throttle response because you're keeping the car going smooth for so many laps.

And obviously there's a lot of things, you know, with tires and setups and all that, but all the cars are pretty much the same.

They're pretty much, you know, they're pretty much the same.

So you really have to take it to another level as a driver.

Formula One racing, it's all about aerodynamics, setups, car, you know, and it's, it's, it's a lot of details.

It's like NASA versus, you know, you know, flying for the Navy.

You know, they're both very high tech.

But, you know, you're flying to space in F1, you know, and that's car is you have 40-some drivers who today you're going to have this guy winning and tomorrow you're going to have somebody else.

You know, it's rarely you're going to see a guy winning six races in a row in NASCAR.

It's never going to happen.

But why is that?

Because you have a lot of things that you have to take into place.

You have to do 200 laps.

A lot of things could happen.

So many laps.

You're doing ovals.

You have a lot of guys hitting you behind you.

Why not with F1?

Why is that?

Because in F1, you got to win on qualifying.

Like I said.

Yeah, I don't expect that.

The top three, you know, qualifying, you have three different qualifying sessions.

Okay.

All right.

So the first session, the first you know and the the last five go and then the you know and they keep going to the basically the top five are the ones that count yeah so in qualifying is is your best lap lap time but also you got to finish the race that's a different setup you know what i mean so

It's all about the car, the aerodynamics, and what you can do with it and how really the full potential of that car and driver are put together.

And that's why Max is able to qualify great.

And, you know, this year, the Red Bull is having a lot of issues because the car has a lot of issues.

The McLaren is a full package.

It's a full package with aerodynamics.

It's a full package by having two great drivers racing for each other.

McLaren has a different philosophy where Red Bull has one great driver and then they've been switching all these other drivers so they don't have the full team.

McLaren is a full team this year.

What happened to Mercedes?

Because Mercedes was like the leader for so many years and then they had a problem with the car.

Well, Mercedes is very interesting because who brought Mercedes back was Schumacher.

Schumacher, when he came back as a comeback after he won five championships with Ferrari, he came back with Mercedes.

And he had to develop the car and the team to make it the silver arrow that it is now.

So Lewis Hamilton came in a really good spot because when he went to Mercedes for McLaren,

he went to a place that Schumacher took it to another level.

Oh, I see.

It's a complex game because the driver, see, you can be a great driver and they're all great drivers, but also that information as a driver has to be established and communicated to the engineer and the rest of the team accurately, perfectly.

And that's what Schumacher was good with Jean-Todd and the rest of the team, because he was able to tell them exactly, oh, I need this, I need this.

So then they were able to change it.

That's what Max is good at.

But a lot of these drivers are not good at referring

the right information to change that little thing because you change a little things, you're going to lose the race or you're going to win the race.

So, and Schumacher was great at developing the Mercedes team whereas you know lewis hamilton got into that team at the right at the right time and there was a full package of a team but look how long it's taken lewis hamilton to win a race now he's with ferrari ferrari has 300 or 400 million dollars a year for two cars they have they have the testing they have the simulation they have the the wind tunnel they have everything in-house yeah they still can win why

because it's all about one hundredth of a second difference on the setup and the aerodynamics of that car.

And if that car could actually finish the race and be in the top three or, you know.

So how much of it is the car versus the driver?

It depends.

It really depends.

It could be 50-50.

It could be 70, the driver, and 30%.

It depends how knowledgeable.

Red Bull is not there, but they have 70% with Max and they have 30% with the team.

Yeah, Max, I mean, look.

And now they fire at the head of the team, and now they're back to square one.

Now they, you know, but I know what happened to him again.

Was he canceled?

Was that what happened?

He he was fired yeah he was fired from yeah well obviously there's there's some rumors of things like that but he started that team i know and now they're having issues with the team but they had issues with the other drivers you know mclaren they have two great drivers who are following directions perfectly who are willing to push the car and they have a great car their aerodynamics and the setup with the car and also all this by the way it's going to be out the door next year next year it's a whole different regulations all you know you don't have any more of you know uh all the regulations and the rules they have this year are gone.

All different rules.

Well, by the way, who's doing Mercedes now?

Like, who's the lead?

Not Toto, but who's a driver?

I know Toto is the guy.

Russell.

Oh, wow.

They have Russell?

Yeah.

Russell is Mercedes, but you know, that's not like that.

The word is that Max is going to Mercedes now and leaving Red Bull for next year.

And if he does that, I think Russell is going to be out.

For sure.

Because Antonelli, I think, is going to stay in and Russell's going to be out.

You're not going to have,

especially Russell and Max, they're not going to be good teammates at all.

No.

Period.

Why?

Why do you say so?

They never liked each other.

They're not a good

fit.

Do you think Lewis is done already, or he's finished, or is he going to win again eventually?

He's older already.

I think Lewis might win.

It's not the age.

I think he's capable, but I think it's the car and everything.

But he's having issues explaining because his set of driving is completely different than what Ferrari has.

You know, Ferrari has, you know, and I know about that team better than anybody.

My father was good friends with Danzo Ferrari.

You know, to be in a great team, you got to have good engineers.

And good engineers usually come from England.

And English engineers don't want to leave England and live in Italy.

They don't want to go live in Maranello and Maldena and Bologna.

They don't want to go live there.

They want to live at home.

So you have Louis Hamilton, who's based in Italy right now, who has

the English, you know, the second language with Italian, but also the engineering, the style of driving is completely different than Mercedes.

It's like driving, flying a different jet altogether with all these different things.

A very complex.

Ferrari is very complex to drive.

It's a very, Ferrari is a car.

You have to be a driver like no other because it's the beast.

It's really a stallion.

It's like

a horse like no other.

When you can drive it, like Michael Schumacher was able to drive the car at full potential.

And that's why he won five in a row.

But that was Michael Schumacher.

He took it a whole new level.

But Lewis won like five in a row for Mercedes.

But it's a different style of driving and the car is a different beast yeah everybody wants to win a championship at ferrari alonzo tried it vettel tried it and they all failed because to be a ferrari it's also political too so it's it's a different complex of a game you got to play the game and you got to be really committed to a whole new level like to to race a ferrari you got to race a ferrari 24 7 for the entire time there's no distractions at all you can't go to monaco and have a few days of fun you got to race and you got to be with the engineers and you got to buttheads too, because the Italians are very hard to deal with.

All right.

Really?

Because they're egomaniacs.

So you have.

They don't say Antonio, really?

Yeah.

So, you know, you've got to be.

Are you an egomaniac?

Absolutely.

100%.

You've got to be in the world.

You got to have your set rules, but also you got to know when you, when to say, I failed.

And I got to learn from my failure too.

You have a seven-time world champion, Louis Hamilton, who I'm sure is not going to deal.

And you hear him

in the team

recordings and everything when they're talking to the engineer.

They don't get along.

They're too different.

They're butting heads.

And the Italian guy is telling him to do something.

He's like, I don't want to do it.

I don't want to come in and change the tires.

Now, I don't want to do that.

I want to do it.

I don't want to do it.

And they're saying, you have to.

And then when he does it, he's behind.

Yeah.

So you got to.

That's right.

Schumacher was different because Schumacher was like, the only way I'm going to, and also he's a German, he's very like, you know, it's like, you know, straight, yeah, very like, you know, it's a different mentality.

So for him, it was like, I'm going to win no matter what.

And he did no matter what.

Lewis is a little bit different.

They're all different.

All these guys have different personalities.

What about that guy who's his dad bought the team?

You know, he's driving.

Oh, yeah, with,

yeah.

What's that team called again?

That's.

The Aston Martin.

Yeah, the Aston Martin.

Who's the guy?

I forget because I don't really care.

And his son is like, yeah.

Yeah, he's, I mean, listen, they're all good drivers to a certain degree, but, you know, that's a kid who, you know, Silver Spoon, you know, the guy had to buy the team.

He puts him in there.

He's never, he's never going to finish.

He's never going to be on the podium.

He's never been on the podium, I don't think.

Is he even good?

I mean, he has to be someone.

They have to be good enough to even be there, right?

The thing with Formula One is, like I said, to be in that world,

it's like.

What's that guy's name?

It's going to drive me crazy now.

Check on your phone what it is.

Yeah.

It's the Aston Martin and his dad's a billionaire.

I know Alonzo, but I don't know.

Alonso is actually finished

on the podium and that car, but this kid has never done it.

Plus, he's crashed the car.

You know, every time he crashed the car, he had millions of dollars.

Yeah,

yeah, that's him.

Yeah, I don't really care about it.

You don't follow him.

You know, I'm all about finding an edge.

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Okay, wait, let's get back to you for a second.

I want to talk about your health and fitness regimen because obviously you're clearly very fit and you're doing the boxing.

What is your like routine?

What do you do every day?

What are your like non-negotiables?

I'm not a good person, what I do every day in campus, do different things.

Okay, I want to know just on a regular day with Antonio, and then I also want to know what you do when you're like up-leveling.

Well, at home in Florida, I train twice a day.

I train two hours in the morning and two hours in the afternoon, seven days a week.

You do four hours of working out a day?

What do you do?

I do cardio in the morning.

For two hours?

For two hours.

What do you do?

I do one hour on the bike, and I do it in the heat, hot, humid garage gym that I have.

I like to sweat a lot.

So

I even have a sweatsuit on and I have weights on myself, either a body weight or my ankle weights.

And I ride on the bike going uphill for one hour.

That's my first thing.

And then after that, I'll go for the boxing.

I either do speed bag and I do a lot of rounds on that or I do bag work.

So I'll do the bag work for straight for another hour.

That's first.

Every day.

Every day, seven days a week, no days off.

And then in the afternoon, I come back and do weights.

For two hours.

For two hours.

Do you do you do splits or full body?

How do you do it?

I do full body.

I do legs.

I do squats.

I do a lot of squats with not a lot of heavy weight.

I like to be limber.

I like to be lean.

My body's always been, my favorite body has always been Steve Reeves meets Bruce Lee.

Very lean, very muscular, but not big like Schwarzenegger.

I like Rocky 3 versus Rocky 4.

I like to be lean and very, very loose, fast, and cut.

And my body weight, I like to keep it about 175 to 180.

And how tall are you?

6'1.

You're You're 6'1?

Yeah.

I didn't notice that.

I thought you were less than that.

Probably shrinking as I go.

Yeah, maybe you are, right?

So you do two hours of weight full body every day.

Yeah, everything.

So what did you do today?

Oh, you didn't work out today for you.

Today is my training.

Oh, no, right.

Don't tell me that.

We're going to get to that.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you do four hours of working out on a regular day.

Yep.

Do you, what do you eat?

What do you eat?

What are your stuff?

I eat a lot of protein, a lot of fish, turkey, chicken, a lot of meat.

I like steaks.

My wife makes the best steaks.

Really?

Yeah, I stay away from carbs, but you know, I'm Italian.

I try to stay away with it.

Yeah, straight away from it.

But you're Italian.

Yeah, so I have my days.

Don't get me wrong.

And I don't call it cheat days.

If I eat a pizza, I eat a pizza comfortably.

And then the next day I have to pay the price for it.

But I'll eat some rice or some pasta once in a while.

But most of it for me is high protein and

some vegetable.

I'm not crazy about vegetables.

But for me, I'll eat like two steaks in a row.

I'll eat like burgers without the bread.

I like meat.

I'm like, I eat like a lion.

And do you eat?

What time do you wake up in the morning?

Depends.

Right now,

no, not now.

When you're normal days, without

six in the morning.

That's a good time for me.

And I train, like, I have my gym at home.

Yeah.

I don't like to go to gyms.

I think gyms are the most unhealthy and most bacteria unhealthy places in the world.

And the reason why, because no matter how much you clean them, you're going to get sick.

Plus, they have air conditioning.

I don't like to work with air conditioning.

And plus, I don't like to see people wearing their makeup when they work out.

It just bugs me.

It's one of the things that I like: if you work out, you need to sweat.

How can you work with me?

And so, plus, I never paid for a membership my whole life.

And I like to get up in the morning.

I don't drink coffee anymore, too.

I quit coffee altogether, and I feel so much better.

So, for me, it's waking up in the morning, have some water, and then go straight into my garage and work out.

So, you're in the gym at your home around what, six to eight?

Six to eight.

Yeah, six to eight.

Yeah, I get up right away.

I just, I just walked.

Now, you just start.

No coffee, just water.

Yeah, no coffee.

I used to drink a lot of coffee.

Now I quit for many months, many, many months.

And you feel, how did you quit?

Well, I never wanted to be addicted to anything anymore.

And were you a drug addict at some point?

Yep.

Yeah.

I'm a recovering addict.

And I've done some best stuff in my life.

And I've been clean for many, many years.

But coffee was the last thing that I was addicted to.

And

I just didn't feel 100%.

And now that I'm boxing, I took it to another level.

I'm like, let me try to see.

Because I quit coffee before.

And the first first two weeks is horrible.

Migraines, it's just, you know, I mean, and then I did that.

I went through the migraines.

And then all of a sudden, I was like, I just take my creatine in the morning in water and I'm good to go.

And I feel so much stronger.

I'm like really to another level.

My cardio and everything.

And like, I can push it even more without coffee.

What kind of creatine do you take?

What company?

I don't even remember.

I don't even remember.

I'll take it.

I'll take any creatine.

Don't.

It's very important to know where your supplements are coming from.

Yeah, no, I don't remember what I take this one from.

I tell you you the truth.

But if you want to sponsor me, we'll talk.

Yeah, you should take, I'm going to give you some samples of my own of Momentous because it's.

Do you want to sponsor me?

It's, yeah, I'll sponsor you.

Exactly.

Momentous, maybe, Momentous.

Would you like to sponsor him?

Yeah, let's talk about it.

Because it's like you,

I think they're third-party tested and all the things.

Like, you have to do it.

Now, you do my blood work, too.

You have to.

Dr.

Assandra in Beverly Hills is my doctor.

Oh, I know that.

That roller guy.

I've heard of her, him.

Yeah, he's the best.

I just did my blood work because I was here.

And that I do constantly every year.

Just to know.

Once a year or twice a year?

Twice a year, every six months.

So, okay, are you on any testosterone?

Any

nothing?

You don't take anything like that?

No.

No peptides?

No peptides.

How about true niogen and

also that I know so much about it right now.

You got to do peptides every day.

Yeah.

And to do peptides, it means I would have to inject myself every single day.

And I'm not going to do that.

Yeah.

For me, that's what I'm waiting for my testosterone levels to be.

And hopefully it'll be at about a thousand.

Hold on.

What?

Yeah.

You're waiting to see?

Yeah.

What are they right?

The last time you got 800 to 1,000 is what I keep.

Naturally?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Actually 53.

Yeah.

Stakes and working out as much as I do

helps.

Because I was also like weight training is very good for you know naturally increasing your weight.

But every day, isn't that, doesn't that also, isn't there a burnout factor?

Because you're working out so much?

Can it deplete?

Not for me.

I need it.

I also need it for my mental

brain.

So it's for me is, and I recuperate every night.

I'm good to go.

I am good to go the next day.

There's no time in between where I need that rest day for me.

For me, now, I don't suggest to do this for anybody.

I'm not a trainer, but I've been doing this for many years.

I know my body in and out better than anybody.

So I know what to take.

I know if I eat this, it's going to affect me here.

I know what I have to do.

And I have to train every day, seven days a week.

And when during the day are you doing your two hours of weights?

What time?

In the afternoon.

How do you have time to work out for four hours a day?

You got plenty.

Four hours a day.

Yeah, and this is between meetings, and I'm also in real estate.

Or if I do a movie or whatever, you know, if I do a movie, I'll work out in the morning before going on set and then I'll do it afterwards.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's funny because people make excuses.

They can't find 10 minutes.

Well, my famous book was called No Excuses.

So was mine.

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah, No Excuses.

I released it in 1999.

Yeah.

My first book was released in 2009.

And it was called No Excuses.

It was called No Jib Required.

No, anytime, Anywhere, no excuses yeah mine is no excuses just no excuses that is so funny because that you can make an excuse for anything for anything okay so wait so then eating wise you do a lot okay so what do you eat for breakfast i don't eat breakfast i fast my time to eat is between 12 and 8.

okay

and then you how about sugar how about fruit do you eat fruit fruit no no fruit i mean no fruit not a lot of fruit uh no sugar none do you have okay so i would imagine no alcohol no no so when did you when were you an addict what At what point of your life?

That was years ago.

And I talk about it in my book, De Antonio Sabato Junior, the Untold Stories.

I'm very open about everything.

I got addicted to painkillers and I got addicted to sleeping pills.

I was going through a really tough time in my life.

And I coped with it by going to sleep and taking these pills.

And we're talking about like, you know, very addictive value kind of thing.

Yeah.

And

what year are we talking?

This is over 10 years ago.

Yeah.

Was this when this whole Donald Trump situation happened or before then?

Right before.

Yeah.

Right before.

I went to recovery.

I went to a really dark place in recovery to the center I went to was in Pasadena.

I didn't want to go to the Club Med and Britney Spears Malibu treatment center.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I wanted to go to the hardcore.

You know, some of my friends to this day are people that got out of jail, went into jail.

I learned so much about myself.

I was without a phone, working on myself,

recovering.

I did 30 days.

So wait, so how long were you an addict for?

Many years.

How many?

I would say long enough.

Like five years, eight years.

Yeah, about, yeah.

Long enough.

Even one day was too long.

So basically,

when I asked you earlier, like what happened to you, would you say that was also something that happened?

Like

you took a kind of like a hiatus because of what happened?

No, I kept working.

And I kept working.

You're still working.

Yeah, because you're living,

you know, when you're an addict, you live in two different worlds.

You live in the real world and you live in the fake world.

And you can sustain the two by the drugs you're taking.

You know, it's just, it's a fascinating thing that we create for ourselves.

Yeah.

This imaginary world.

And that's what they always call it a recovery addict because you're always an addict.

Right.

And you're just recovering for the rest of your life.

I don't look at it like my days being clean.

I know I'm going to be clean for the rest of my life.

It's not even a question for my kids.

And that's why I want to be open and I want to share that to my to my children and everyone who's watching because you shouldn't be afraid for the mistakes you make we all make mistakes it's how you recover and how you come back stronger the next time you know because i've seen a lot of from my friends who are dead or gone they're not coming back who fell back in the wagon who went back to the heroin who went back to all these things and and and and there's no recovery for that when you're gone you're gone and so i had this so many second chances to say you know what i'm so blessed with everything that i have how can you learn and how can you teach this and how can you express this to other people that might need that in your life and that's why i'm still here stronger than ever and that's where i'm going to prove to everyone that it's never over until it's over what was like the i guess the straw that broke the camel's back why did you well

it was the bottom i should say i was at yeah it was the rock bottom when i didn't have those pills anymore when when that drug in my life was not available to me that i couldn't get it uh my body went into a seizure I went into a physical and mental seizure that I never experienced in my life.

And that's why I remember calling my mom and I was just bawling.

I was in the middle of the desert by myself, let's say, you know, like I was isolated, feeling completely helpless.

And I said, I got to go to a treatment.

And I don't want to go to a, you know, like I said,

yeah, I don't want to go to fancy.

I want to go to a real place.

And I went.

And when I went there, I rediscovered myself in a way.

And I got in a spiritual journey with God in a different way, like what I really was meant.

to be here for.

My connection to my children, my family.

Later after that, I met my wife now, Katya, who I love dearly.

Like my life is right now is where it's supposed to be.

Because of that moment.

Because of that.

Well, that's always what happens, right?

Like your worst moment can end up being your best moment, right?

Like you don't, but you don't know that at the time.

You only know that after the fact, right?

Yeah, absolutely.

What brought you there?

Like what started the drug use in the first place?

Well, I was not happy in my life.

And sometimes when you're not happy in your life and you just don't know where to go in a personal level, you cope with all kinds of stuff.

You cope with alcohol, you cope with hanging with the wrong people, you cope with drugs, you cope with things that become addicted to you.

And that's why I even quit coffee because I don't want to be, I want to be addicted to training, I want to be addicted to my kids.

I want to use that word to be addicted, which is a strange, interesting word, uh, to things that make me better.

You know, I want to be addicted to God, you know, I want to be addicted to my wife, I want to be addicted to, you know, the things that make me just holy.

And

that stuff wasn't.

And I'm glad that, and I was always in fitness and I even trained during these times.

I always.

Oh, you did?

Yeah, but it was never enough because this is a psychological journey, a spiritual journey.

And also the addiction was so physical for me that my body reacted in a way that I never felt before.

You know, heroin is one of the worst ones.

Have you ever tried heroin?

No, I never tried heroin.

Never.

How about Coke and all the other ones?

Yeah.

Because in those times, like back in the 90s.

I had the worst friends.

I had people that were hungry.

Yeah.

You know, the

whole people, you know, the people hanging around you, all the wrong people.

You know, what was that show with Mark Wahlberg?

You know what I'm talking about, right?

Where everybody's hanging out.

He, he, he, he did.

Not boogie night.

Not boogey nights.

I mean, what was it?

Um, no, the TV show he had with all his friends hanging out.

Oh, oh, you mean entourage?

Yeah, entourage, right?

I had the reality.

That wasn't Mark Wahlberg, by the way.

Yeah, he produced it.

It was about him.

Oh, right.

It was about Mark.

You're right.

And Doug Gallagher.

It was about him.

Of course, Mark Wahlberg.

So, Entourage.

I had the real entourage for many years before

my kids were born.

And I had that life.

And that's not the life I wanted.

And that's not the life that I want right now.

So you were Vinny, basically.

Yeah, I had all that.

And

how long did you have that life?

For many years.

I had the worst people hanging around me, wannabes, you know, all the best friends.

And none of those people are in my life right now.

None of them.

None of them?

None of them.

I have a few friends in my life.

I can tell you who they are and my family, of course.

And that's it.

Did you live in the hills back then, in Hollywood Hills?

I lived in Hollywood, yeah.

And did you have...

I lived in, actually, I lived in Maria.

I had a house by the beach.

I had the friends.

I had the parties.

I had all that.

And then let me ask you something, because I would imagine you made a lot of money

because you were like the guy then.

Did you like waste it all away?

What did you do with all that money?

I built people out of prison.

Really?

Yeah.

I got people out of prison.

I took people all over the world, first class here and there.

to advance and things like that.

You spend it all.

Yeah.

So were you then, when you were taking the drugs, was it because like you kind of like were at rock bottom in your life, in your career?

What happened?

I wasn't happy.

I wasn't happy with myself.

I wasn't happy with the life that I was living.

And I knew, I think part of me knew that I was, I needed to do more to get to this level that I am now.

Yeah, I just didn't know how to do it.

And so by being unhappy, I coped it by taking.

the stuff that made me really addicted.

And then, and I found out the hard way because when I didn't, you know, if I, if I still would have had those pills, I probably would have, would have taken, taken till the till the end.

And God said no more.

And then when he stopped it is where everything became real.

Real.

Yeah.

And then, but, but now, you've been clean for years.

For years.

For years.

How about, did you date any famous ladies when you were younger?

I did.

Who did you date?

Jennifer Love Hewitt, Madonna.

Madonna, when she did Vogue, she was number one in the world.

We dated.

And the only reason why I'm talking about it and people know about it is because I released the information because I kept my, and Pamela Anderson back in the day

and I kept my relationship with these amazing ladies Ashley Judd I kept it very secret very you know I respect them I respect the time that we had together also Virginia Matson was the mother of my first child who's in the in his 30s right now

and

so it's I've been fortunate enough to to to have amazing beautiful you know very famous people in my lives but i kept it very private did you how how long did you date Madonna for?

We dated for a whole summer.

Ooh, a whole summer.

How old were you?

I was about, what, 18 years old.

How old was she if you were 18?

She was in the 30s.

So she must have been like 30.

What is with these people?

You were like literally a child, though.

When we met, I mean, when I met Donna, I was just, she was the coolest person ever.

And she was, to me, she was so beautiful and talented.

And I've learned so much from her.

And yeah, so we had an amazing time.

And then after that i got married for five months to a beautiful model one of the you know tolly jensen which is incredible woman uh one of the the top models of the time like i did things my way like i i know but i want to know the i want to know like the the tea here now we're getting to the good stuff that people are going to listen to okay so why did you and madonna break up did she break up with you because

we never we just had a really comfortable awesome summer together uh and uh and we just spent a lot of time together in new york city

I remember these we met here we met in Los Angeles and we clicked at her Brits house and remember those games truth or there of course yeah back in the day with the first time so we played this game and she dared me to do some stuff and and then we we started dating and we what did she dare you to do she dared me to kiss her in front of everybody and and I did and uh and then so it was it was it was surreal you know and then I went to New York living there on my own you know, dating Madonna secretly.

Nobody knew.

You know, all the paparazzi were waiting in the front.

We would go from the back.

Yeah.

And I wanted to do that.

I didn't want to be, I didn't want to be the boy toy.

You know, when me and Pamela dated, it was between me and her.

It was, it was very kind and beautiful and nobody knew it.

This is before she got married.

This is before that whole thing.

And

yeah.

And so I got to know them.

for who they were, not the celebrity.

And they got to know me for who I was.

And we had an amazing time together so and I always respected them and and I always wanted to respect but since time has has gone by I can openly talk about our times together you know Jennifer love was was great time with me and her and and and I cherish that time she's a smart beautiful woman how long did you date her for

we dated for several months she dated she actually ended up marrying a guy I know actually

you know I think three beautiful kids and she has an amazing she's she's in the movie right now coming at me like she's I'm so just pleased to have, and I never dated anybody I work with.

Like I said, right, right, right.

You know, people I work with, but I got to meet these amazing women.

And I was, yeah, I was like an Italian boy coming from Italy, like being surrounded with so much beauty and talent.

Yeah.

And then what about

stunning women?

What about Pamela?

Because I mean, like, people, certain people like whatever.

Pamela, how long did you date her for?

She's Canadian too.

So we kept our relationship, like I said, very private.

We dated a few times, but I never, there was so much hype with both of us that I think it kept us away from, from being, to jumping in that world, at least for me, because I didn't want to, like I said, I didn't want to be, I didn't want anybody to know my business, especially at the time, it was the beginning of the paparazzi chasing you totally all that stuff, the paparazzi magazines, the people magazine, all that stuff.

So I kept it very, very private.

Who is

your favorite person that you dated in that world?

Oh, they're all great.

Obviously, you know, Virginia Matson, you know, we had a, you know, we, we, we spent a lot of time together and we have a son together.

I want to see who she is.

I don't remember who she is.

I got to Google her.

And God bless her and her family.

And her brother just, and God bless the Madsen family.

Her brother Michael just passed away.

And I know the entire family went through hell and back.

So my condolences to Virginia and her family and

Michael, who I used to know very well.

And he was a great guy, great talent.

So again, to addiction and things like that.

So,

but I had so much, they're all different.

You know, when me and Ashley Judd dated,

she's such a smart, beautiful woman that I just loved having these long conversations with Madonna.

I remember having conversations about business and how do you manipulate the money, you know,

she was on the phone talking about multi-million dollar contracts.

And I was fascinated by how she was just so calm.

and very smart about how she was dealing with how, you know, managers and agents.

And also she was very fit.

She used to run a Central Park every morning.

I loved that about her.

I know also her diet was very strange.

She was like, she would eat like, she wouldn't, she would eat like popcorn at night, like these low carbs popcorn.

And she was full with that.

I'm like, that's all you eat.

Yeah, yeah.

So it was like, I learned different things.

She'd only eat popcorn at night.

Yeah.

She would eat like at times when I used to go and spend time with her.

She used to eat like just some popcorn in there.

And then we, we would have like an early dinner.

And then, but it wasn't that much.

She wasn't like a big eater.

She was very lean, did a lot of yoga, a lot of running.

She did Vogue.

I mean, she was like number one in the world.

No, by the way, her movie, Truth or Dare, was one of my favorite movies ever.

We dated it right after that.

Really?

So she was at the, she was bigger than, she was bigger than physically.

She was just amazing.

She was like.

like a spectacle like a spectacle.

She was so fit and she was so perfect with her like six miles every day.

Oh, do you remember?

And she would do the yoga.

The private trainer.

The private trainer.

She was what I always admired about her was that she was the most disciplined, like hard worker.

You can't, you couldn't, you couldn't touch her in that way.

Like, no, she wouldn't.

She wouldn't do that.

Like, she, she would take some, she could take some time off.

She never took some time off.

I remember calling her.

I'm like, I'm coming over.

She's like, no, I'm finishing up my training.

Give me another hour.

I'm like, she was always on point.

I learned a lot.

I learned a lot.

That would be a good, like, I was, that's what I was at.

I wanted to know because like just being around her at that time when her career was like the biggest of all time yeah you must have just gleaned so much information from her and learned just so much

because i wasn't like just uh a kid off the street you know wanted to be an actor blah blah blah i was i was really you know when i have these conversations even with you like i'm always like listening and paying attention I'm dedicated to the time that we have.

And I think I've always had that with everyone.

And they saw that.

I'm like, this kid is really listening to what I have to say.

Right.

There's a lot of people in that world.

When you're that big, we're not listening to you.

Right.

They're like, Yeah, whatever.

Yeah, whatever, whatever.

I'm like, I'm really listening, what you're saying.

I'm really paying attention.

Right.

You know, so that's true.

It's good.

That's, but that's really, it's, that's when you have people like that around you or people that you can learn from, you should take that opportunity.

Absolutely.

Right.

So, what was it?

What was the top lesson that Madonna then taught you?

Oh, just stay focused on your dreams, stay, and, and be dedicated, really be dedicated.

And what I learned from her is lifestyle because people talk about diets and they talk about regimens and be motivated.

I take all that stuff and put it on the side.

Lifestyle for me is so much important because it's like brushing your teeth.

What I learned is you got to brush your teeth today, right?

You're not even going to forget about it because you don't want to go to the dentist tomorrow.

You don't want to have cavities.

You want to take care of your teeth.

So for me, training is like a lifestyle.

To me, eating is like a lifestyle.

Because dedication and motivation will only last so long.

You know, people have Friday trainers and people who are into diets and diets don't work.

You're always going to fail.

And you'll feel bad that I put put some pounds on.

But if you have that lifestyle that constantly, no matter what, you're always going to be on track, you can't get out of it.

So I learned that from her and everybody else and I made it part of my life.

I think that's also what I say is that you got to build habits, like that routine, like habits are what keep you doing a thing day in, day out, right?

If things are not habits, it's easy to forget.

Like you're right, brushing your teeth.

Like just how people brush their teeth.

They should be going to the gym or they should be working out or moving their body.

Like I treated it.

But they treat it like, you know, like I said.

Like it's like, I know, like it's like some fundamentally, like it's a hassle or it's like a secondary thing that's completely unnecessary.

Yeah.

But all that, like to me, like your, your exercise time or your workout should be like fundamentally primary in your day.

Yeah.

Like if I work

when I work out at home, I put my glasses on.

Even I did.

You're wearing your glasses now.

What's can I see what you look like?

Yeah, of course.

Because these are the best glasses.

Dida.

The best glasses in the world.

I wear them every day because they soothe in my eye, especially with lights.

But to me,

when I train and I'm focused, I like to wear my glasses.

I don't like to pay attention to anybody else.

I don't like the music.

To me, it's like two hours of this training today.

It's not going to be fun.

It's not going to be a walk in the park.

It's not going to be not a, it's going to be like anything.

Like right now, I'm always focused on what I'm doing at the moment.

You don't listen to music when you're working out?

I try not to, no.

No.

I try to focus on like because you're not bored.

Because I don't stop.

I don't, I don't, even in my camp right now, we, we, we do have, you know, he plays the music because I do a a lot of dancing and moving in the ring.

But for me, it's like when I, when I jump into the training session, if it starts at six, I'm going to like, that's the marathon.

And then at eight o'clock, I can stop the marathon.

Oh, yeah.

Tell me, yeah.

I want to know what your, your routine is when you are training.

You told us what you do when you're off training.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Camp is six days a week.

And it's four hours.

Not seven?

Not seven.

So you train less when you're at camp?

Yeah.

Well, because I'm doing more into the sparring, into the beating up the body in a different way, like, you know, getting hit in the rib and getting hit in the head.

There's There's a lot of different muscles that I don't use that are really hurting.

So for me, that day off, and also my coach, Chris Steele, says, you got to do it.

You got to do it.

But it's, it's six days a week and it's four hours straight every morning, six to 10 every morning, six days a week for nine weeks straight.

And what are you doing?

We're doing everything in the ring.

It's from sparring, speed, like I do speed bag, 10 rounds of speed bag.

I do, you know, 10 to 12 rounds of moving around, sparring, doing all the technical stuff, bag work, mid work,

no weights at all, just sit-ups, a lot of sit-ups.

Everything is nimble and loose.

I haven't done weights in six months.

Really?

Yeah, no weights, none.

Like right now, it's Sugar Ray Leonard body, Sugar Ray Robinson, very loose.

My cardio is off the charts.

I mean, like, I can spar with guys that do marathons or swimmers and they wouldn't last.

So when you're doing the six to 10 now, you're not doing the biking and all that stuff.

You don't do that stuff.

No running, no nothing, not even jump roping.

Everything is in the ring.

For four hours.

Yeah.

For four hours.

I have to change setup of like

my wardrobe, I have to change it because I'm drenched.

So I have to change socks or drench.

I have to change in two hours.

I change them and I have to put a new outfit.

Yeah.

And then I go for two hours again.

So you said, do you ever run anymore or do incline walking?

Is it just always the bike?

For the spa and for camp, there's no bike.

No, no, no, not for bike.

Sorry, I should, I didn't mean to.

Oh, for me?

Yeah.

For me, it's running.

Yeah, for me, it's running.

You said only bike and bag.

No, I do.

Well, let me phrase this.

So

I do running and I do biking for most of the times.

And sometimes I even go in the ocean.

I do some swimming as well.

Okay.

So you'll either do some days,

you will run and not bike.

Yeah.

But the bag is always the same for an hour.

Yeah.

Okay.

How long do you run for an hour?

No, the hour I do, I do four miles at the park.

So I go, I I leave my house and I do four miles and I come back and I still do the bike because that four miles will take me for half an hour.

Oh, so the bike is a consistent thing constantly.

But sometimes you add in the running for a half hour.

Yeah, because I like to be outside and I also like to run in heat and hot weather.

And that's why Florida is perfect.

That's why.

Because the humidity, doesn't it?

It must be a killer in there.

It's a killer.

And I love it.

The breathing, the heart, the thin hair, the, you know, the steam room kind of thing, the sweating.

I love sweating and working out.

Sweating.

I don't like to work out in cold and air conditioning.

That's why I hate that.

That's true.

That's actually true.

That's why I don't like going to the gym at Equinox because, sorry, Equinox, but it's always cold.

I like to work in hot weather.

I like to, like, I hate working out in air.

That's why I have, in my house, I have like treadmills.

When I go to Italy anywhere, I find these old gyms with like, you know, rust and like old gym.

Nobody even uses them.

Right.

No air conditioning.

I like to go to those places.

How about Costa Rica?

You'd love Costa Rica.

Oh, I love Costa Rica.

You do?

Yeah.

Yeah.

because of that reason.

Yeah, because of that reason.

Yeah, I'm going to Costa Rica actually at the end of the month.

I'm nervous.

I would love to build, if anybody's willing to build it with me, gyms around the country where they're open, they're warehouses.

Yeah.

Just warehouses with those big fans.

Yeah.

You know, but no air conditioning, open the gates and just work out.

So there's a lot of those gyms everywhere.

You just have to find them.

But I want big warehouses all over the country where you can just go and work crazy and do a lot of cardio in the heat.

So it's cardio.

So cardio weight routine.

yeah.

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So when you do your weights at home, you're saying you're not doing big bulky stuff.

What kind of stuff are you doing?

I do up to 15 to 20 pounds.

Like I do like 100 shoulder presses in a row.

Bop, bop, bop.

And I'll do like sets of shoulder presses, shoulder flies.

I'll do another 100 of chest flies.

I'll do cables for another 100.

So 15 to 20 only.

And you're doing 100 reps at a time.

Yeah, 100 reps.

50 to 100.

And I'll do like elastic bands.

Yeah.

I'll do like 50 to 100 one side.

I'll do a 50 to 100 one side.

I want to work out with you.

When would you be working out here?

Can I work out with you?

I want to see.

Anytime.

You probably don't like to work out with people, I would imagine.

It slows you down.

For me, I love it when they say, oh, let's train and all that stuff.

For me, it's like there's no fun.

There's no jokes.

There's none of that.

I know, you're actually serious.

Yeah, seriously.

and so for the next 60 when i did my antonio for example in hawaii i trained the entire crew and by the time they were done filming they were the fittest crew you could ever imagine and every morning before shooting i took them to my regimen and it was no talk no music it was just non-stop doing all kinds of fun stuff in a row for two hours every morning and by the time we were done like i said they were ready to do a marathon they were the fittest they lost so much weight and and that's what we do and some of them wouldn't come back the next day.

They wouldn't come back the next day.

I know.

I just came from something and all these people were asked.

They're like, hey, would you work out with us?

And I said, if I like, would you train us?

And I'm like, well, if I train you, it's not fun and games.

We're not going to be sitting there chit-chatting.

We're going to go through my routine.

And I did that.

And lo and behold, the next day, nobody showed up again.

Yeah.

And to do it every day, like you could have a great workout a week.

But for me, it's not having a great workout a week.

It's about having it every day.

No, I agree.

Okay.

Tell me about your boxing celebrity boxing tournament.

Like, who are you boxing?

And, and.

Corey Williams is his name.

He's the, he's the king of hooks.

He's from Philadelphia.

Like, how did you even get into this?

Like, why did someone called you and said, hey, do you want to make some money?

I was actually going to fight Roy Jones Jr.

back in the 90s when I was doing General Hospital.

And me and Chris Steele and Steele Boxer, the entire gym, they were setting this up for a celebrity match.

So I'm very comfortable with celebrity matches.

30 years ago?

Yeah.

Why don't you do Jack?

What's not Jack?

Jake Paul.

You should fight.

I already asked him to fight.

I already asked him.

They haven't responded.

It's fine.

I'll fight somebody else.

And it wouldn't get ratings.

He wants to fight Tyson.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I mean, he's ranked now as a cruiserweight.

But I think, yeah, he's ranked finally after fighting these old guys.

But for me, it's a different type of fight because I don't fight like them.

Could you kill him probably?

Well, it'd be fun.

It'd be a lot of fun.

It would be a different match than what he's been doing.

That's for sure.

I think Mike Tyson was paid to take the.

Well, well mike tyson by the way he got he was in the hospital bed few few months before the fight he was doing really bad he had a blood transfusion he had some stuff going on with him i i'm interesting that they even let him fight uh plus he's been smoking marijuana for the last 10 years so his lungs are jacked jacked right yeah plus he hasn't been training for many years so it's like there's a kid who is fresh who's training in puerto rico who's got millions of dollars he's got the full team he's got the you know the people feeding him this and that but by the way you know jake paul has been looking worse and worse every fight like his physical body has been worse and worse and he's got the same team and all that stuff but you know he's babysit and he's picking the fights that he wants and he's he knows what he's doing you know and he's making all these millions of dollars i know what he's doing i mean listen he's making a ton of money but i think either mike mike tyson was paid to like just take the you know just to like do it and he want he wants the money he doesn't give a at this point yeah he made 20 million dollars for like what to stand stand there for 20 minutes or so right you know what i mean stand there and listen if you if you were to look at that if you were to check out the the footage like on slow-mo right you see he had like easy places where he could just pound the guy and he just listen if jank paul wanted to fight professionally like he's talking about he should fight a professional fighter is age his age of course who is ranked now of course but he hasn't been able to do that because he wants to keep this thing going and i understand it because he would have lost i mean he lost against fury and that guy's not even a good boxer.

And

he was some sort of ranked or whatever.

And he lost against him, but he's won against these guys who are much older, who are not known to be boxers.

And then Mike Tyson was a money fight.

Everybody wanted to see that fight.

Everybody thought that Tyson is going to come back like the old Tyson.

And that's not the case.

Like I said,

when you smoke that stuff for many years, your layers and your lungs are gone.

It takes about a year to clean it all up.

I know.

And he's smoking like not just a little bit.

I I mean, he's holding it like all day.

Listen, I'm okay.

Everybody, do whatever you want to do.

It's legal right now.

But anytime you put stuff in your lungs and you're working in training, your lungs, which are not in the front, they're in the back.

They're covering, you know, your rib cage and they're working in the back are layers of tissue in your lungs.

And when you're affected by smoking, those tissues don't grow the same way.

It takes a long time.

And sometimes they don't even grow the same way at all because you've been smoking so long.

So I know you guys want to smoke your marijuana.

It's free, whatever.

You know what I mean?

It's free.

It's legal and all that.

But anytime you put stuff in your lungs from nicotine and everything else is going to affect you.

You know, also, you know, they say now, of course, oh, all the benefits you're getting.

But personally, I mean, I don't know how people, whenever I would like smoke marijuana or weed or whatever you want to call it, there's no chance that I would not eat 10 times my weight and calories because I'm starving.

And your inhibitions are totally gone.

So like, you'll eat everything.

You'll eat everything.

There's no way, unless I have like no food around me and no vehicle, but now you can like order food on your phone.

And now stop eating.

No,

I'd gain 100 pounds.

I'd literally gain 100 pounds in a month.

Absolutely.

Because there's no stopping.

The muchies will keep going and going.

And I don't care what people are doing.

That's why leukemia patients smoke marijuana.

It's like you got to eat.

100.

I don't know how people don't.

And also, you're so lethargic.

You're just sitting around and all you're doing.

Doing nothing.

Yeah.

So you're like, okay, you know what?

Maybe I'll like eat this, you know, bag of.

And everybody works differently with taking all kinds of you know

abusing your body everybody's different and that's why everybody should talk from their own experience i'm talking from my own experience i don't care right but i i tell you you eat a lot and you affect your lungs and uh once your lungs are ruined and you can't breathe let me tell you something you wish you never smoked yeah 100 agree yeah how much are they paying you for this site not enough not enough that's a good answer what's the precise exact amount of money well let's put it this way i'm not doing it for the money i'm doing it for the pride and I'm doing it because nobody else is doing it.

And I also am doing it because I love doing it and I can see myself doing this for a couple of years and beating up some good people.

But do you get like 10,000?

Do you get 5,000?

Do you get 20,000?

I get more than 20,000.

50?

Yeah, well, give and take.

Let's see how many.

Let's see how many people are going to buy the tickets.

And hopefully it's going to be sold out.

It's 2,300 Arena, the place that we're going to have the fight at.

Xrumble.com is where you buy your tickets.

I think it's going to be sold out.

But for me, it's not the money.

For me, like I said, the pride and the fact that nobody else is doing this, but me.

But why?

I still don't get it.

It's a challenge.

But why did they ask you?

Is it because you gave them?

Yeah.

Okay.

You asked them.

Is it because you, I know it's the pride and I understand all these answers, but do you also need to need it for the money?

No,

I could definitely be doing a lot more, making a lot more money and being in real estate or doing other things.

Yeah, selling homes right now will probably bring me a lot more money.

For me, is I know that this is meant for me and it's going to bring me a lot of things.

And it's also also my comeback story i think it's great you know the rocky story philadelphia antonio sabato in the 50s nobody's doing this the fight a real fight how old is the guy it's he's 10 years younger than me okay so he's 43.

Okay, he's still old though.

I mean, when I say old, he's not 25.

Of course.

But the world of boxing, you know, he's the king of hooks.

He's the guy who's going to bring it.

But nobody else wanted a fight.

I give him a lot of credit because, you know, I asked some celebrities in Hollywood to fight and they all said no.

Who did you ask?

I asked Mark Wahlberg.

I asked Mario Mario Lopez, these guys that they're the boxers, and they said no.

We asked some other fighters who are retired.

They said no.

So I couldn't do it.

But

why would Mark Wahlberg, honestly, why would he get into the ring and fight you?

Why not?

Because, A, he doesn't need the money or the fame or the propriety.

The life is not about money.

The life is about

holding.

Yeah, but

he could take a fight.

It's a challenge.

You know, why do I want to race again?

Why do I want to be a 24-hour Le Man?

You know, why do I want to risk so much?

Because

the risk also will bring you the reward.

Yeah.

And this is the type of guy I am that is doing stuff nobody else is doing.

Also,

look what this has done.

Since I've started this boxing thing and I've been promoting, I have people in my family, people in the industry who are putting videos up about them boxing, them at the gym with their private trainers.

And I know it has to do with me.

Yeah, yeah.

Because they never boxed one day in their lives.

And all of a sudden, this whole boxing game, oh, I got a trainer.

I'm boxing in the ring.

I think I'm a fighter.

So I'm changing people's lives.

And I think we need to do that.

We need to expand the horizon and going after things that most people don't want to do.

Okay.

That's a good answer.

What about other ways you're making money currently?

Well, I'm in real estate.

You said that a couple of times.

Are you a real estate agent?

Yeah, I'm a real estate agent in Florida.

I sell homes.

I was part of a big project in downtown Tampa for a long while.

You're a real estate agent?

Yeah.

You sell.

I can sell anything in real estate-wise.

You know what they should do with you?

You know, by the way, way, taking a real estate agent test is one of the hardest ever.

And I was able to pass that too.

And I went back to high school and got my diploma too a few years back.

That's great.

You know, you know, million-dollar listing, they should do one and put you.

Well, you should be in one of those shows.

Sure.

Because

it would be funny to have you in one of those shows.

Yeah.

Don't you think?

Yeah, I can go to New York and bring some projects back to Florida and vice versa.

Or just be, I guess, no, because.

And my wife is in real estate.

She's the pro.

She's the real pro real estate.

She's really good.

How How many houses have you sold?

I sold a few, actually.

A few condos.

Really?

Very expensive condos.

Yeah.

How much?

At Marina Point and Tampa, which are beautiful condos.

How much do they go for there?

They go for two to three million dollars.

In Tampa.

Oh, yeah.

Beautiful.

Private boating and everything.

It's one of a kind.

Marina Point is one of the best places ever.

Yeah.

Do people say to you, oh my God, you're Antonio Sabato Jr.

They give it, you know, when I show, when I showcase these properties, they go, hold on a second.

Are you the?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they get intrigued and then they want to buy the, and then they want to buy the

or are they like, oh my God, it's Antonio.

Like, it's exciting for them, right?

Yeah, it's very exciting.

Okay, I want to ask you, but we, I kind of jumped on over it before with the Donald Trump situation.

Yeah.

So now when he wins again, right, 10 years later,

and now it's a whole different ballgame, right?

Like people have now like jumped the shark, right?

And it's now cool to like him, right?

And it's like uncool to be on the Democratic side.

How has that

changed your life in terms of, I know you said you're not into politics, but are you involved with the MAGA and all that stuff?

I'm not involved with any political party or anything political because I know how of a nonsense it is and how fake it is.

Tell me what you mean by that.

There's two jobs,

careers that really are the most, the fakest.

There's the show entertainment world that I'm in and politics, both of them.

They're the ones who will lie at whatever cost, it doesn't matter, constantly

24/7.

Especially the congressmen, the politicians, the governors, all of them have to do it.

It's just the way it is.

Just like when you're on the red carpet and most people don't have the guts to tell you the truth and they tell you everything is perfect in my life, and you know that it's not, you know, and then they all get divorced and they all get their

legal battles and

all stuff, you know what I mean?

And they, and they all date each other, you know, and all it's the same thing.

And so, I don't want to have anything to do with it.

And

I've learned a lot because I was in it.

And so I tell everyone that if you really believe in this political thing and you're so eager to get in these arguments about politics, go for it.

Run for Congress, run for a political office and see for yourself how it really works.

Because you're also in Florida, so you have nothing to do with Donald Trump at all.

No.

No, I know, but now.

Have you ever met the guy?

Oh, I've met him many times.

Right.

He's a, on a personal level, he's a great guy.

He's,

you know, I've hosted events for him in the past.

I went to the White House many times.

I hosted beautiful events, classy events at the White House for Christmas events and for our military who I adore, our police officers, our fire department, all that I love.

I support our military in and out.

I support, you know, first responders all the time, our Second Amendment, I'm all that.

But the political world is such a nasty, nasty thing.

And the entertainment world and the political world are two worlds that just collide all the time.

They want to be in it together and they all collide at the same time it's very interesting it's like in it it's like the yin and the yang and i don't like it anymore i just don't have anything to do with it i really don't and uh you know i'm asked from from people running for for political office do you want to support me in this i'm not supporting you i'm not supporting you i'm supporting myself and my family and my career that's it and i support god and i support our nation uh obviously i want our nation to succeed but the political world is a nasty world very bad one unfortunately so then do you think he's doing a good job a bad job uh I think anybody in political office has the hardest job ever to make everybody happy.

I think as far as working hard, he's the hardest working guy in his 80s to be working non-stop 24 hours a day.

I don't know how he does it.

You got to give the guy credit.

You got to give, I was going to say, you can hate him or love him, but one thing, I mean, the guy's a hard-working motherfucker.

I don't even have to do any of it.

But no, he does because his ego would not allow him not to.

His ego motivated.

Deal with, you know, the lawsuits.

I don't know what I'm saying like

he's the most talk about resilience.

I mean, this guy is the most resilient person.

The art of war.

I have never seen anything.

And the art of the deal, which is a great book that I've seen.

Yeah, I like that book.

He lives by it.

But I wouldn't want to be around that environment, especially him where everybody is trying to be your friend and everybody hates you.

Yeah, everyone hates you.

Now it's convenient to be his friend.

So people want to be his friend.

But by the way, he doesn't give a shit.

I mean, that's the thing.

If President Trump calls me at any given moment, throughout the night, whatever, says, I need your help.

I'm there for him.

But at the end of the day, you know, he's doing a job that most people would have.

Oh, man.

It's the hardest job in the world.

But he wanted the job.

He wanted a job.

And

listen, the guy was shot.

Yes, he was shot.

He survived and shot twice.

And people forget that.

I'm like, oh, no one forgot.

And people died that day.

And God bless everyone that was affected by this.

And so your life is in danger 24 hours a day plus the people in your circle don't like you and you got to work with these people and and not to mention the people around the world but listen you know he picks people who just are yes men who'll just like kiss his ass he doesn't want people in his life who are real people who tell him like like it is he wants people who are around him who just say yes you're 100 right you're amazing you're wonderful that's what he that's what he wants to a certain degree but he also wants he wants like i know him and I've seen him work.

He also wants the people who are smart to come in the room and say something to him that he's surprised by.

Smart?

Did you see the gaggle of yo-yos that he's picked to be in all these major positions?

But not all areas.

Not all, not all.

There are disasters.

And they are.

And when they talk to the media and they talk to the world and they don't back it up, they look like schmucks.

That's the political world that I have nothing to deal with.

Because if you're going to say something,

better do it and most of these people they try to you know say something then that doesn't work out they put it under the rug and everybody's like what yeah i voted for this so yeah no uh the political world is something that i'm glad that god protected me from because i i could still be there i could still be running for you know in congress and you know in my congress district of 26 in ventura county to this day and going to washington dc and going to the capitol and dealing with these no they're just no they're snakes and they're leeches and uh no i don't want to they're they're And basically, the politicians are supposed to be there to help the people.

And they're supposed to do that job for free.

All politicians are rich.

They're wealthy.

They're not supposed to make all this money.

They're not supposed to do all this.

They're supposed to do it for the, you know, for the people by the people.

Well, why?

So, right.

So then when you say, why is he doing it?

I'll tell you why he's doing it.

Because that man loves power.

He's addicted to fame.

And he's addicted to attention and money.

And therefore, that's why he's doing it.

And also, I believe, if that's what you agree with, I also have to add to the point that he loves this country.

Yeah, because this country is a special one.

And

if you let it go, just like we're seeing California go, like I love California.

You know, I love the state so much and I've seen it deteriorate.

And it's as beautiful as still is.

We have the best weather.

I talk to people all the time, but you're still there.

It's the best weather.

But what about, you know, you bought a house for $3 million and there's people living in tents around the corner.

Yeah.

You kids cannot walk down the street and feel safe.

So that has changed.

So I think part of him says, you know, we don't want that to happen through the entire country.

We got to, somebody's got to do something.

You know, we cannot take advantage and let these politicians take advantage of the whole shebang at some point.

But once again, I take care of my family, my environment, try to live a really good life and try to leave the politicians to themselves.

To themselves.

Well, I got to say, this was very interesting.

I'm glad I did this podcast with you.

This was really fun.

I mean,

it's the person behind the face, the cute face from 1990.

You know what I mean?

I didn't even realize how young you were back then.

Wow.

Antonio Sabato Jr.

Okay, so you're doing your boxing match.

What date?

September 27th in Philadelphia, xrumble.com.

You can get your tickets.

It's a 2300 arena, beautiful arena.

We're going to have a great night.

Well, thank you.

And also follow him on Instagram.

He's on Instagram.

And my movie comes out this year, 426.

It's a horror movie.

I'm very proud of that.

And also, if you live in Tampa and want to buy a condo or a house, he's your guy.

Very expensive one.

Okay, America.

Please.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Bye.