Episode 433: Dr. Andy Galpin: Forget Diet Trends - Simple Nutrition Principles That Actually Work

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Speaker 2 Finally, I want to get to nutrition. I've been dying to ask you about this.
Okay, optimal nutrition, optimal diet. I know there's so much, so much information, right?

Speaker 2 Like about intermittent fasting, fasting for 24 hours, whatever is 24 hours, keto, non-keto, paleo, vegan, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 Can you talk about nutrition beyond just eat a lot of protein, right?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 2 What is the optimal i know everything's very individualized based but what is the optimal diet for high performance

Speaker 1 define high performance for me but some categorical rules i can answer here okay for optimal cognitive performance cognitive performance different answer here okay so you can go into the small details with examples like uh people like to bring up blueberries

Speaker 1 lots of research a cup of blueberries per day is actually going to have statistically significant and clinically meaningful improvements in cognitive function. We use this very routinely.

Speaker 1 It's been very well demonstrated.

Speaker 2 Okay, I know. Blueberries, wild salmon, I got it.

Speaker 1 Right? All this stuff. It's all true.
It's all true. It's all honestly super true.
So if you then wind back to some of your previous questions on that,

Speaker 1 does it matter which format that you like to give yourself structure with? And you're like, what the hell did he just say? You could say, you could have called that a diet. That's all diets are.

Speaker 1 They're just a different format that gives you structure right right okay that's all it is right i don't even call them diets because it's nonsensical do you think eating i mean i love breakfast can i not eat breakfast of course you can eat breakfast they're like oh well you won't you won't be in autophagy and you're gonna be

Speaker 1 it will make you garbage like almost all nonsense right out of that stuff fasting is insanely overrated i like it I do it a bunch, but if you're thinking that skipping breakfast in the morning is going to solve almost any of your health problems, you're generally massively misguided.

Speaker 1 If it is is helping you avoid triggers, then awesome. If it is helping you manage your calories, awesome.
If you don't like breakfast in the morning, awesome. Totally fine.
We actually just,

Speaker 1 this actually on the way over here, I submitted back revisions. Our paper should be accepted in the next couple of days.
We ran a study on intermittent fasting in our laboratory.

Speaker 1 So like, I'm not against it at all, but I'm certainly against people thinking that they have to do it for any short or long-term reason.

Speaker 1 You have to figure out a a way to get yourself high-quality foods. You have to figure out a way to manage calories somehow.
And if fasting is a way that checks those boxes on a positive, well, great.

Speaker 1 If it doesn't, then I don't care at all about it.

Speaker 1 I will promote a six-meal-a-day diet as much as I will a one-meal-a-day diet. Whatever is that, those are not the factors that matter.
The factors that matter are the other things.

Speaker 1 Now, having said that, we will use things like fasting a lot with for cognitive performance with things like our surgeons and our firefighters and our um other like responders because they generally are going to go hey i can't take a break every two hours and go snack right i'm gonna i'm gonna have 16 hour surgery i'm gonna nine hour surgery right

Speaker 1 i need to perform really well given these constraints Awesome. I don't want a surgeon that getting hungry every two hours and like scrubbing.
They're going to be like, dude, no, there's zero chance.

Speaker 1 So in situations like like that or again the firefighters are another example or military where you're like hey i need to be able to be on for these big chunks of time and then feed and then great so you're training them for what their lifestyle is 100

Speaker 1 but i would never do that for a pga golfer never right that would make no sense for us whatsoever to do that we need to have different constraints and different performance variables so those people generally eat way more frequently if you have a personal preference if you have anything so it's always about precision why um because their tournaments are not at the same time sometimes they tee off at six in the morning.

Speaker 1 And let's say they're a West Coaster and they're going to go play a tournament on the East Coast. They're teeing off at what's 4 a.m.
their time.

Speaker 1 And then they're going to play a five-hour round in August in Florida. It's going to be super hot, right? And they got to turn around and then play.
So

Speaker 1 our energy demands are really, really, really high on those tournaments.

Speaker 2 So what kind of optimal diet would you put a pro golfer on?

Speaker 1 It's honestly, it's all the big stuff. You're going to manage calorie intake one way or the other, right?

Speaker 1 We're going to focus on getting high amounts of high quality foods so we're eating mostly whole real foods we want a variety of colors we want a variety of preparation methods we're going to use a lot of fruits a lot of vegetables a lot of meats if we can but are they eating more regularly generally eating very regularly like six times a day

Speaker 2 four to six versus the surgeon or the firefighter or that makes perfect sense also is there is it true i mean again this is

Speaker 2 is it that women and men,

Speaker 2 if intermittent fasting affects women and men differently?

Speaker 1 I, okay, yes and no. Okay.
Here's what I'll say. Intermittent fasting affects different people differently.

Speaker 2 Okay, not gender specific. The reason why I say gender is because I found that for women,

Speaker 2 I've noticed,

Speaker 2 the response is different overall. Like some women think it's the best thing in the world.
There's a bunch of fasting experts, doctors, who think that like it's an Ashonda if you don't fast.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 I have coached world champion females in six different sports, and I have coached a countless amount of females non-athletes.

Speaker 1 I just, I can't honestly say, yes, women generally need to do more fasting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I say the opposite. I think it's worse.

Speaker 1 I will say, like, of all the females we've coached, and this is 18-year-olds to 68-year-olds, right? I've coached the whole spectrum, a lot of them. It's just a person-to-person thing.
Okay.

Speaker 1 More than it is a male versus female thing.

Speaker 1 Some of our women just do way better when we eat more frequently. Some of them, it doesn't really matter.
Some of them, it's like, it's just, again, it's like an individual thing more than anything.

Speaker 1 So what we like categorically never do, and I'm trying to like triple check my brain, but yeah, I don't think there's anything we ever specifically do just because someone walks in and they're female versus male.

Speaker 1 Like there's no like, oh, automatically we train this way or we do this with our food. We do the same individualized programming.

Speaker 1 Like that's, it's a variable we pay attention to, but there's no buckets you just go into because you show up and you're male or you show up and you're female or you show up in your anything else.

Speaker 1 Right. So we're really going to pay attention to that.
And we test, we're actually doing a trial right now.

Speaker 1 My grad student Zoe is running a study where we're actually doing the first ever detailed sleep analysis throughout the the entire menstrual cycle. So we're looking at blood.

Speaker 1 We're taking, we're directly testing high fidelity sleep every single day throughout the entire cycle. We're directly testing blood.
We're directly testing ovulation.

Speaker 1 We're testing these things every single day for maximum precision. And one of the things that you'll see is things like menstrual cycle length is not the same from woman to woman.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows that, but it's not even the same within each woman. Okay.
But let's say it is. Let's just say you're a 28-day cycle, like every all the time.
Great. Right.

Speaker 1 Your ovulation cycle is not the same. And this, this really, if you, if you test it every single day, cycle after cycle, you'll see this pop up.
You don't necessarily ovulate on day 14.

Speaker 1 That doesn't always happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right. When like men are like, what is he even talking about? When girls are like, no, dude, it's finally, right? This is exactly.
Totally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we're not going to make critical decisions about their nutrition or supplementation or stuff based on like, well, you're a woman, therefore you should be ovulating day 14.

Speaker 1 And therefore, here we go. We're going to test these things and then go, okay, for you, this is what's going to go on.
That's what I'm going to do based on your physiology.

Speaker 2 You said something though. You said there are six things that are fundamental in your nutrition for optimal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Calorie balance, whole real foods for the most part. We want a reasonable balance of macronutrients.
By reasonable, that could mean some people do better on a really high fat, low carbohydrate.

Speaker 1 Some do the opposite. Really low fat, really high carbohydrates.
Some don't care at all. or are an imbalance.
So when I say reasonable, I'm just saying like, what is actually working for you or not?

Speaker 1 And we have, we can play games there. High performers, not high performers, lifestyle preferences, taste, digestion.
Like we can mix and match,

Speaker 1 particularly fat carbohydrates. Okay.

Speaker 1 We almost always though want a moderate to high protein intake. Totally.
Almost always right there. And then we want a lot of variety.
in our colors.

Speaker 1 We need a variety of micronutrients, vitamins, chemicals, phytochemicals, minerals in there. And so we like a lot of color.
We like a lot of different sources of those things.

Speaker 1 That's basically what everyone does. The way that we get there,

Speaker 2 different.

Speaker 2 So let's talk about protein, right? Different types of protein. What do you say would be the amount of protein someone should eat a day, basically?

Speaker 1 Gram a pound.

Speaker 2 Gram a pound. Same as everybody else says.
Okay. So give me a day.
What do you eat? Give me what you eat every single day.

Speaker 1 Sure. So most of the time I'm walking around about 170 pounds.
So I'm looking for 200 grams of protein a day, like plus or minus, right? Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't weigh and measure at this point hardly ever anymore. So some days I'm probably 130.
Some days I'm well over 200. Right.

Speaker 1 Most days though, I'm probably going to be swinging within 30 or 40 grams of that number, right?

Speaker 1 So in the morning, I generally wake up when we get going. I'm going to almost always have eggs and some sort of wild game meat.

Speaker 1 Wild game meat. I harvest my own.
So I'm going to eat. deer or elk or bear or like something every day.
What? Bear? Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you you mean, bear?

Speaker 1 Bear. Like the animal, you know, like Winnie the Pooh, the bear.

Speaker 2 Like a grizzly bear?

Speaker 1 I can't hunt grizzly bears very often, but black bears are pretty easy to get. So they're quite tasty.
You've

Speaker 2 wait, you've, you've, you've hunted a bear?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 Of course, this is a bear. Of course.

Speaker 2 I didn't

Speaker 2 feel, I feel like I'm losing out. I'm missing out on something.
It's quite tasty.

Speaker 2 You've eaten a bear?

Speaker 1 Many times.

Speaker 1 Okay, is it fatty is it like what is uh it depends on what if you get them post-hibernation like you do spring bear hunt they're gonna be much leaner right you get them prior to like a later winter hunt and they're gonna be much fattier it's not like any other animal though it's weird it's it is weird to me uh when people no offense but react this way because if i said like hey i ate a cow you'd be like of course but then like i say i ate a beer and you're like like you can't comprehend cannot comprehend it deer people don't freak out but then bear like of course right They're they're like any other animal that we can hunt and eat.

Speaker 2 How is it different than a cow, taste-wise?

Speaker 1 The general thing you'll hear people say about bear meat is it's greasier, right? So it has this like weird thing, and that like can be off-putting. It's not gamey, though.

Speaker 1 If you get like a white-tailed deer and you get it's not processed properly, or you get it like during the rut, then you'll get that like classic gamey taste. That'll smell weird.

Speaker 1 But a normal non-deer or non-poorly processed deer was going to taste fine. Bear will be the same way.
So if you get it

Speaker 1 when it's been feeding on a bunch of rotten salmon, then it's not going to taste tremendous, but you'll know it pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 But on average, if we had lunch right now and I made it for you, you would have had no idea.

Speaker 1 You eat it whether we're eating like the steak or the burger of it or whatever the case, you'd be like, you wouldn't have had any idea of what I just put in front of you.

Speaker 1 If I gave you something like Axis deer, then you'd be like, that's the most delicious thing I've ever had. What the hell is that? But you wouldn't be like, oh my God, I feel like I just ate a deer.

Speaker 1 You would have no idea. It's tremendous.
I love wild meat.

Speaker 2 How often do you eat this wild meat?

Speaker 1 Every day? Every day. Yeah.
Does she have your family eat this too? Of course. Like, Mike, if you were to, if my kid was right there and you'd be like, do you eat beer? They would be like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, what? Like, they wouldn't have any reaction at all to be like, of course, because they don't know any different.

Speaker 2 So, do you do everything you eat, you, you hunt yourself?

Speaker 1 Uh, not everything, but we try to for the most part.

Speaker 2 Do you ever go to Whole Foods?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I haven't been to a grocery store in many, many years.

Speaker 2 How many years? My wife goes.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Okay.
So, like, okay. So, it's not that because you don't believe in the grocery store.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we, I mean, we'll eat, um, I don't know what a fair number is, maybe

Speaker 1 I don't know what percent, but like, we, we still buy grocery stuff, particularly if we want a specific cut or something that she's doing, she's making where she wants like a specific way it's prepared.

Speaker 1 Then she'll buy their stuff.

Speaker 1 But in terms of like our general meat consumption, I probably have, I don't know, 400 pounds of frozen meat at my house right now, between elk and axis deer and uh i have some mule deer still and then this the salmon run just got done so um my nephew brought over a bunch of uh wild salmon so we got a bunch of salmon in there uh we got clams and we got a bunch of other stuff uh what else we have in there like it's just like we're in the winter so we just got done with all those like the seafood season so we got crabs in there we got a bunch of this stuff so um yeah we eat a large portion but we still buy like sometimes occasionally even buy cow and beef and things like that pork of course but not enough pork I mean, I'm Jewish, so I don't eat pork.

Speaker 1 Well, my wife's Jewish, and my kids are Jewish too, but she's a bad Jew. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's a bad Jew.

Speaker 2 Most Jews don't eat pork, but I mean, pork now sounds much better than bear. I got to tell you.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Well, pork is more delicious. I will give you that.

Speaker 2 I can't even believe. You just said it so matter-of-factly, like everybody eats it.

Speaker 1 It's just like not even a thing that pops up in my head is weird. It's just like so part of,

Speaker 1 that's just how I get it. What do you make with bear?

Speaker 2 You said bear steak?

Speaker 1 well so the thing only thing about bear you got to be careful of is there's a non-zero chance that it has trichinosis and so you would not want to eat bear rare at all or even medium rare so even if you're like very rarely you don't do the only the only part of bear that i'll eat a steak will be like the back straps or the tenderloins and which you can do but you want to cook them well done but outside of that you're pretty much going to go to other cuts stews or roasts or grounds or things like that so you can make like stews are really easy uh grounds or soups soups and things like that are totally fine.

Speaker 1 And then the rest you'll do sausage and different grounds and things like that. So we need a lot of

Speaker 2 a bear sausage? How do you make a bear sausage?

Speaker 1 Same as any other sausage.

Speaker 1 Take a bunch of meat, put it through a grinder, and then add any other stuff you want to add in there, depending on if you're trying to make like bratwurst or breakfast sausage or a spicy jalapeno or like some other combination.

Speaker 1 So you can make it however you want. We're out of bear meat right now.
I think we're pretty much done, but we're pretty loaded on Axis deer right now.

Speaker 2 I can't even right now. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 No, we just got back. I got really, I got a really nice bull elk this year.
So we got a lot of elk meat right now, too, which is tremendous.

Speaker 2 Do you go hunting with Joe Rogan? I feel like he's the only one that does.

Speaker 1 No, no, actually, we haven't gone together, but we've just missed each other a bunch. We have a lot of the same friends.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, the Huberman connection, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 I knew Joe before Andrew did. I knew Andrew way before.
But I'm actually going this spring. I'm going on a bear hunt hunt with Cam Haynes.
I don't know if Joe's going to be there or not.

Speaker 1 He may be, but I haven't asked him about it. But we'll be up there together.
Yeah. So we have many friends.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. Okay.

Speaker 2 So because I was going to actually ask you about in the nutrition sense, like what kind of, I mean, in terms of quality protein, I think you're going to say obviously animal protein versus plant protein.

Speaker 1 Depends on how you want to define quality. There's a lot of, you know, back and forth.
Obviously, as we've just been talking about, I'm clearly a big fan of meat and animal meat.

Speaker 1 But I think there is ample evidence now that people can live a really high-performing life on plant-based stuff as well. I work with a bunch of plant-based athletes and they perform fine.

Speaker 1 So we can get there as well. I work with some like really famous local musicians that

Speaker 1 they are plant-based.

Speaker 1 You can get there. I'm not as bullish on that as I used to be.

Speaker 1 More evidence has come out that's like, okay, the only thing you got to pay attention to a little bit is of course limits options and you have to be really conscious of calories with that because you generally have to eat more of it or you have to

Speaker 1 get it in forms that are more calorically dense right so if you try to equate something like you know four ounces of right maui nui axis deer to get the same amount of protein as you get out of peanut butter right you're going to be eating 150 calories of protein from the the Maui Nui access deer and you're going to eat 700 calories from the peanut butter.

Speaker 1 So, your overall calorie intake has to go way up depending on how it's packed.

Speaker 2 That's like with vegans, right? Like, it's tough. It's tough.
And like, that's why I don't understand. Like, to me, you get the most bang for your buck with animal protein.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, my opinion

Speaker 1 on that clearly, but it can be done well.

Speaker 2 Um, do you like, would you believe in protein shakes? Like, I know you're a fan of momentous. I'm a fan of the

Speaker 1 drink this as soon as we're done. Oh, yeah.
This is slate.

Speaker 2 This is like the on the go. These are delicious, too.
Yeah, by the way. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have, uh, at all times, I take, in fact, they were just around here a second ago.

Speaker 1 But those travel Momentous protein things, I always have like 20 of them with me at all times.

Speaker 2 That's the thing. Yeah, I was going to give them to you because I thought that.
Yeah. Yeah.
They're very easy to, they're very easy to take and travel with.

Speaker 1 I always take them. So if it's a, um, if you know what's actually cool about Momentous too, they just changed their whey protein formula.
Have you seen this?

Speaker 2 Which, tell me, I don't know.

Speaker 1 They took out, uh, there's no gum in it anymore. There's no fillers and there's no

Speaker 1 I did I saw that I mean the artificial stuff in there and they took the price way down.

Speaker 2 I mean so it's way cleaner Do you know that's funny when you say that because I'm a big fan of momentous as you are because I think that there's a lot of confusion right because people there's so many brands on the market This is by the way not an ad for momentous but I swear because they they do something called triple test have you heard of this whole yeah, no, I know this because so I've been working with momentous for a long time

Speaker 1 Disclosure here, they are sponsored to my show and I personally am on their advisory board. But I'm saying that because they asked me for many years.
They said no for like several years.

Speaker 1 And then they changed leadership and these new people came in and they developed what they call the momentous standard. And so all every single product that they make is third-party tested.

Speaker 2 Yeah, third-party tested.

Speaker 1 It's tested also for heavy metals, for pesticides, for herbicides, for toxins, for lead, for a ton of different stuff, right? Which very, very few supplement companies actually do.

Speaker 1 And then on top of that, most of their products have what's called NSF certified for sport, which is something we have to have for our athletes.

Speaker 1 So it's all third-party tested, and then a bunch of it has all this additional stuff.

Speaker 1 So it's when I saw them doing all that stuff, I was like, oh, you're actually like putting your money where your mouth is because everybody says their products are the cleanest.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 It's hard to tell because that's the problem with all of this. You don't know who to trust because everyone says everything

Speaker 2 and then you're overwhelmed. But then I heard, and that's why, that's why, with Momentous, especially, I trust their products.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I've seen a lot of different studies come out though, regarding chocolate versus vanilla whey.

Speaker 2 Is it true that chocolate is that has more heavy metals and lead overall and it's less healthy than vanilla? Have you heard this before?

Speaker 1 No, I haven't heard that. I'm not sure.
Really?

Speaker 2 No. I just read something about this yesterday, that chocolate has more, they found more toxicities or a lot of different things in protein powder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could believe it.

Speaker 1 Really? How?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, why? Why chocolate versus vanilla?

Speaker 1 I have no idea. It's weird.

Speaker 1 Probably, if I had to guess, knowing what I know about the supplement industry and the food industry in general, a lot of the times multiple companies are buying from the same distributor.

Speaker 1 So my guess is, you know, something like that is happening. Ultimately, I don't really care.
Because the fact that the products that I use are all tested anyway. Exactly.
So I don't really care.

Speaker 2 That's why, guys, you have to be very careful what products you are. Like, make, listen to trusted sources.
Listen to Dr.

Speaker 1 A. And companies that make good stuff too in the supplement world, but like I just particularly prefer Momentis.
So if you don't like them for whatever reason, great, find another one.

Speaker 1 But just whatever you do, especially for things like supplements and food-based products, just make sure that they have the same kind of level of testing. If they do, then fine.
Go with somebody else.

Speaker 1 If they don't, though,

Speaker 1 be careful.

Speaker 2 How do you know that companies are telling you the truth?

Speaker 1 Well, okay, actually, number one, you don't necessarily, unless your companies,

Speaker 1 this is ridiculous. It sounds like we're doing a giant ad for Momentous.

Speaker 2 I know, but we're so not, by the way.

Speaker 2 I'm going to clip this and send it to them. They'll be very happy because this was not planned.

Speaker 1 Companies like Momentous, though, will let that testing available. So like, see it, like, show me the testing results, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The other way is, and this is something like we don't talk about very often, but we will routinely see heavy metals and other toxins in people's blood work.

Speaker 1 And then you go back and see, oh, they stop taking those supplements from non-tested places or places that say that they're tested,

Speaker 1 but they're not. And you don't know it's from them, right? Things like mercury could be from anywhere, right? Yeah.
Totally, right?

Speaker 1 Or even lead, could be water, like could be a thousand places, right? Right.

Speaker 1 And so not every time, but many times. The only change we make is we stop taking those low quality supplements.
And then guess what happens? It's gone in their blood.

Speaker 2 Really?

Speaker 1 So there's many steps in logic. I jumped there.
That would be a bad science experiment if I just said it that way. I didn't control for all variables.
It could be a lot.

Speaker 1 Generally, toxin in blood are acute exposures anyways. They clear.
But it's happened enough times where I'm like, all right, like you got to stop taking those crappy supplements.

Speaker 2 Right. No, exactly.
Okay. So

Speaker 2 while we're talking about shakes or protein shakes or smoothies, what do you think about the fact that there's been a lot of, someone someone came on this podcast recently a while ago and talked all about how when you have a shake and how when you when you blend the shake,

Speaker 2 the way your body digests the fruits of the shake is much different

Speaker 2 in the blending process.

Speaker 2 Your insulin spikes way higher than just eating a fruit by itself.

Speaker 2 Is that accurate?

Speaker 1 I'd have to know exactly what the person said, but I can add a couple of things that. Number one, if you're going to compare something something like a whole food to the fruit juice.

Speaker 2 Not

Speaker 2 fruit juice.

Speaker 1 Taking a banana. I'm getting there.
I'm getting there. And blending it.
Okay. So, but let's start where we all agree.
Okay. Everyone would agree with that, right?

Speaker 1 Why we're missing the fiber intake almost exclusively, right? Fiber is going to mitigate blood glucose spikes and elevation. Great.

Speaker 1 Second step then is what if I take that whole apple, banana, peach, whatever it is, eat it as a whole apple versus blend it up. Well, you'll actually see the same thing with meat.

Speaker 1 A steak versus ground meat. Ground meat versus actually blendered meat because these studies have been done.
You like blend it up and you drink the meat.

Speaker 2 Drinking the meat? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 For this exact reason, right? It is what happens if I pre-digest, basically, pre-break down the food item.

Speaker 1 There are differences. There are differences in absorption.
So the amount that you actually get from the gut actually into the rest of your system is kind of how you can think about that.

Speaker 1 There are differences. That said, How much of a difference in that particular example of if I ate that peach or if I blended it up, how much more would that that cause my blood glucose to spike?

Speaker 1 I would probably, if they showed me data that said it spiked it more when you blended it for those other reasons, I'd believe it. Does it do it to a magnitude that I care about? I don't know.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't know the data. I don't know the specific study that they're referring to.

Speaker 1 My initial skepticism, you can see there, I don't know if I would care enough, but it's plausible based on what we, what I do know from studies. you know, in a very similar realm.

Speaker 1 So I'd say plausible, but I don't know. I don't really do that very often.
So I'm not super worried about it.

Speaker 2 Right. Well, maybe not you, but other people who have, who have to like be more conscientious of their

Speaker 1 look, look, here's how to say it.

Speaker 2 Insulin or sugar,

Speaker 2 you know.

Speaker 1 It depends on how far up or down that priority list it is for you, right?

Speaker 1 If everything else is really dialed and you're just, this is the last little thing to figure out, then maybe this is making a big enough of an impact.

Speaker 1 But if we're still worrying about this over top of the other big rocks we talked about earlier, you're eating 20 grams of protein a day, You're having irregular sleep schedule.

Speaker 1 Then I'd be like, dude, you're way focused on the wrong thing. On the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 So it could be real, but whether you need to focus on it or pay attention to it would be up to what the individual situation is. Right.

Speaker 2 And also, I guess,

Speaker 2 so in terms of just, it's better to have that than have

Speaker 2 you know, like French fries or something. Totally, right?

Speaker 1 Exactly. Or like missing a meal or whatever the case is, right?

Speaker 1 So would I rather have you blend your banana strawberry smoothie rather than just going to the store and buying a, yes, it's still whole real food.

Speaker 1 It's still better probably than adding additional processing steps to it. Totally.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, if it represents some marginal increase in blood glucose elevation, just go for a walk and it's all gone. So who cares? Right, right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 It's pretty easy to manage. How about fiber? People don't talk a lot about fiber.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's too important.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 People talk a lot about protein and they're missing the fact that fiber helps with your whole like nutrient absorption, right if you're not absorbing your nutrients you're kind of fucked yeah it helps with uh i mean darn near everything yeah from short and long term gut health to mitigating blood glucose elevation uh to nutrient absorption to helping manage cholesterol levels uh the ton of other reasons to go after it i would say in general we've probably increased fiber intake more than we've done the opposite And I say that because there actually have been, and we just had one last week.

Speaker 1 Young 32-year-old guy is just on top of everything, lots of IBS symptoms, was just convinced he had something happening with gut health or whatever. Okay, run stool tests, things like that.

Speaker 1 Take a look at it and he's eating like 50 grams of fiber a day. Okay, what's that mean?

Speaker 1 The kind of rule of thumb we say is for every thousand calories you eat, you want to eat around 14 or so grams of fiber.

Speaker 1 So if you're eating 2,000 calories, you should be having, that would be 28 grams of fiber, which would mean, all right, somewhere between 25 and 30, like, you know, plus or minus.

Speaker 1 These numbers, like, don't get too specific with them. If you're at 3,000 calories a day, maybe something like 40, 50 grams of fiber a day.

Speaker 1 So when I saw these like 50 grams of fiber a day, I'm like, oh, okay, you must be at a pretty high calorie load. Calorie load was like 1,800.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, well, I know why you think you have IBS. You have triple the fiber intake.
And that's going to, that's going to tear your stomach to pieces, right?

Speaker 1 We also see this a lot with people that are really health conscious or trying to be really health conscious, and they jack up insoluble fiber really high high on accident.

Speaker 1 They do things like, okay, I'm going to cut out all my starches. I'm not going to eat any more pasta, no more grains, and I'm eating all vegetables and their broccoli intake.

Speaker 1 They're eating three cups of broccoli per meal. And all of a sudden they're just like, damn, I'm getting like all this bloating.
Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, well, yeah.

Speaker 1 How about we switch out a cup of broccoli and put in a pizza?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Sure. And all of a sudden they're like, yeah, my GI problems went away.
I'm like, well, no kidding.

Speaker 2 Because can you, so you can over fiber.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 Because can you also get constipated if you overfiber?

Speaker 1 No question about it. Because remember, there's two types of fiber.
There's soluble fiber and insoluble fiber. Insoluble fiber,

Speaker 1 here's a clear difference.

Speaker 1 If you took a glass of water and put it on the table and you put something in that water, if it would get soggy and soak up the water, like imagine putting a piece of bread and water. Yeah.
Fill up.

Speaker 1 Okay. That is a soluble.
fiber. Yeah.
If you put a piece of broccoli in water, it wouldn't do anything. Right.
That is insoluble, right? Well, the same thing happens in your GI tract.

Speaker 1 So both soluble and insoluble fiber are really healthy. They're really good for you, but they have different functions.

Speaker 1 So if you get a ton of soluble fiber and you don't have insoluble fiber in there, like boom, things will shoot through.

Speaker 1 You'll go probably go like really constipated and then boom, diarrhea or like pretty loose stew, right?

Speaker 1 If you do the opposite and you jack insoluble fiber up way too high, you could just really have like tons of bowel movements. Maybe you're not watery, maybe not.

Speaker 1 Or you could, again, feel a constipation. So both of these things could be causing either end of that spectrum, depending on where they're at.

Speaker 1 So when you just have way too much fiber intake, especially in a quick span, so you've just made this change. You went from eating like eight or 10 grams of fiber a day to now eating 35,

Speaker 1 you're going to just go bam. Like your stomach is going to have one of two reactions and neither of them you want.
Wow.

Speaker 2 I thought most Americans or most people were not eating enough fiber.

Speaker 1 Vast majority. I would probably say 90% of the time we've haven't given people more fiber.
10% of the time have been people eating like too much fiber.

Speaker 1 I would say if you had to pick one, err on the side of 40% too much fiber rather than 3% too little. Right.
Right. Like really, you want to make sure you're at or above the number.

Speaker 1 But if you're going crazy, and you've made all these changes and it's new to you, it's the change that matters, right?

Speaker 1 So if your GI system's not ready for that and all of a sudden you're just like, man, I'm eating all all these healthy foods and oh my god my stomach is i'm just gassy and like all these problems then maybe tone down the broccoli you know for a little bit and get some easier to digest forms of fiber for a little bit and then maybe work your way back up if you need to at all but yes most people are not eating enough fiber how about fiber supplements you can we have used these a lot whether they're things like uh fiber mend from thorn is great or metamucil right like psyllium husk like lots of different things like that you can i have one called biome here have you heard of that one biome biome it's very clean so it's like a it's like a fiber supplement that is supposed to be very it's supposed to be very clean and good for you yeah but yeah we've used those in times probably most often when and this is not me we have uh meda medical doctors and things like that on our team that'll do if you actually have a gut problem yeah let me fix your gut right that's a big part of those gut hell healing protocols right right right but where we have used them more are things like in caloric deficits

Speaker 1 so as calories come down, sometimes micronutrients, vitamins, minerals come down. This is when supplements and stuff start to come into the equation.

Speaker 1 And oftentimes a lot of the athletes we work with or general population will go through phases of caloric restriction.

Speaker 1 And then if fiber starts to get hurt there, we'll bring in then fiber as a supplement. I usually would rather get fiber from whole food, but we will turn to supplements in those particular cases.

Speaker 1 And it's really helpful, particularly during those last few weeks. And you're just like, man, not really regular right now.
And it's like, okay, great.

Speaker 1 And we can take some psyllium musk or something like that. Yeah.
And get your stomach not feel so, you know, so suboptimal, then it's pretty helpful.

Speaker 2 How about other, again, in terms of supplementing, what's your take?

Speaker 2 Are there supplements that you think are definitely like 100% you must take? Do you think supplements are overrated?

Speaker 2 What's your whole take on supplements?

Speaker 1 Supplements should be thought of as supplements.

Speaker 1 Have good relationships, drink water, see the sunlight, move. Like, this is all the stuff that changes your life.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 Now, if we want to add some little ice cream on top, this is where supplements come in. And so we use supplements quite regularly.
Supplements do work.

Speaker 1 When people say things like supplements are a scam, they don't work. They, I just don't think they can read.
Like, I'm generally considering thinking they cannot. physically read.
Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, there are thousands of studies on supplements, right?

Speaker 1 They're being kind of jerks when they say that, but what they're trying to say is supplements don't have the magnitude of impact that most people think. And that's true.

Speaker 1 So they do work, but they generally don't work like people think. Yeah.
It's uncommon for you to take one supplement and your life changes. Right.

Speaker 1 That's not the kind of impact supplements tend to have.

Speaker 1 If you want numbers, I don't know, if I had to add every supplement whole world together, I'd probably say most supplements change whatever you're measuring by three to 10%.

Speaker 1 Like that's, it's not 50%.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not that much.

Speaker 1 It's not 90%.

Speaker 1 But if you're at a certain level where you've done the big stuff, that does move the needle by 90% or 200%, and you are looking for that last 5 or 10%.

Speaker 1 Well, now like a supplement can potentially do that. Now, there are some supplements like a fish oil.
that will move the needle in those really big numbers, like fiber potentially.

Speaker 1 And then there are others like a creatine, where the impact is more going to be in that 3% to 10% range, but the safety profile is high.

Speaker 1 They've been tested in every clinical population you can imagine, from brain damage to brain injuries to neurological disorders to pregnancy to kids to weight loss to young to old, right?

Speaker 1 And they very rarely have any negative side effects of any. And they generally improve a wide range.
of outcomes like lean muscle, like brain health, like mood, like cognitive function.

Speaker 1 They're not doing a lot. They're not at the same order of magnitude as a drug would do, but this is a context.
So if you hear that and you think, oh, I knew it, they're a scam. Well, great.

Speaker 1 That's your interpretation. If you hear it and think, oh, that's what I thought they did.
Well, then great, we're on the same page. Right.

Speaker 1 So ultimately, I don't really care if you love supplements or hate supplements, as long as you know and have an honest understanding of what they will do and won't do, then you can interpret that however you see fit, as long as we're on the same page with what the expectations are.

Speaker 1 and i think that is a fair way to view supplements is again that three to ten percent is probably a normal impact range so you're saying okay you just say or you say creat you you say creatine because creatine is fantastic because it's the most studied right is that overall one of the most studied supplements in the entire planet and again across a range of people and populations young to healthy to old to muscle to brain to immune system to sort of everything else right how about is there any other supplement that you think is the same?

Speaker 1 Fish oil would fall into that category, right? So fish oil has just been so well documented in numerous areas.

Speaker 1 If you want to look into things like protein powder, if you want to call that a supplement or...

Speaker 2 How about vitamin D?

Speaker 1 Vitamin D is very well established. It's very hard to go toxic with vitamin D.
It has a number of physiological benefits. It's been shown to be effective in many, many, many things.

Speaker 1 I would generally put vitamin D in a little bit of a lower category than something like creatine and fish oil, but it's really

Speaker 1 one and like one A.

Speaker 2 It's not like it's no, only because vitamin D has been like, it's kind of become the panacea for like, you know, for

Speaker 2 optimal performance overall. Yeah.
Creatine is one of the newer things that people, it's very trendy that everyone now is talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The only reason, well, there's a number of reasons why I'm not like as there.

Speaker 1 I would probably say, you know, some large, I'm going to make this number up, but 95, 98% of people, vitamin D is either good to innocuous. Right.

Speaker 1 I'm not really aware of really any downsides to vitamin D. Again, the toxicity profile is enormous.
You have to get way, way, way too much for way too long for it to generally matter.

Speaker 1 There are probably three papers, but they're old and it's far from extensive evidence, but they do make plausible sense that, and we've seen this also like in our practice.

Speaker 1 You have to just be a little bit careful with vitamin D in the sense that vitamin D is a storage molecule. So it helps you put things away and store them.

Speaker 1 So if you have had like moderate to low vitamin D and you've gone on, say, 5,000 IUs, which is a normal supplement dose, or 2,000 IUs, something like that, and you did it for a long time and your vitamin D levels in your body didn't increase.

Speaker 1 and you were really consistent, probably one of two things is happening.

Speaker 1 Number one, there is a long history of vitamin D supplements not actually containing the amount of vitamin D in them that is listed on the bottle. And that range is enormous.

Speaker 1 And so it is stop number one on our logic train. Occam's Razor says you took a bunch of vitamin D, but your vitamin D levels didn't move.
You probably didn't actually take vitamin D.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, not only are you going to be avoiding mercury and toxins and lead and cadmium and stuff in your supplements, but you might actually not be getting the ingredient.

Speaker 1 Very, very commonly seen with vitamin D. Extraordinarily common with things like melatonin and other supplements.
This has been well documented. Actually, we published a paper a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 Somewhere between 10 and 40% of supplements on the market are going to be either adultered, mislabeled, or have other, some other fatal flaw that you would significantly care about.

Speaker 1 So this issue is rampant. Now, in America, most supplement companies are pretty okay.

Speaker 1 When you get into India and some other countries, you just start to see the level of contaminations that are just like mislabeling that are like completely outrageous.

Speaker 2 So, also with like omega-3s or with

Speaker 2 everything, you pick a supplement. Not just vitamin D.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think in our paper we covered like 12 or 15 different supplements, and you can just see the mislabeling, the contaminants, the things like that, right?

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of papers on this.

Speaker 2 How about magnesium?

Speaker 1 What do you think of magnesium? Let me finish vitamin D.

Speaker 2 Oh, I thought you were done. Sorry, you took breath.

Speaker 1 So I thought

Speaker 1 a good chance that you just didn't get the vitamin D. That's the most likely scenario.
Okay. Another scenario is because of what we know that vitamin D does,

Speaker 1 you may be downreguit, down regulating it endogenously on purpose. And that's because you're trying to clear a heavy metal.
And so again, this is not, we don't have extensive evidence on this.

Speaker 1 This is more of a, a couple of papers have been written on it 20 years ago. Nobody really followed up on it.

Speaker 1 So I don't want to falsely represent like, oh, this happens all the time and freak people out. Again, 99% of the time, like, we use it all the time.
It's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But as a thought exercise, more than anything, if you're in the presence of a a combination of some micronutrient insufficiencies as well as heavy metals, you don't want to ramp up storage molecules because you're trying to clear those metals.

Speaker 1 And so then when you're going in and smashing that vitamin D supplementation, you're making it harder on your own body to clear those heavy metals. And so this is oftentimes what happens.

Speaker 1 And we have seen this like pretty consistently where we will take vitamin D supplementation away from people and their vitamin D levels will rise.

Speaker 1 And that's because that allowed them to clear a heavy metal.

Speaker 1 Eventually, their body can get back to homeostasis and now they can actually get back to a a normal healthy functioning vitamin d status so so wait so vitamin d uh prohibits the clearing of of heavy metals it's gonna hope it's gonna have it to store because it's gonna force things to be stored as much as you possibly can that's what it's doing and it's doing many things so if you're someone who eats a lot of sushi yep right like i do and a lot of people do right and we have we automatically have high heavy metals and we take vitamin d the 5000 i the one that you're talking about that most people do does that mean that we are like by accident storing heavy metals in us potentially so how do we know well number one we would say let's look at your blood yeah and let's make sure that none of those heavy metals are there and let's look at urine let's look at a couple of different places because depending on what heavy metal you pick um you may be better looking at hair versus urine versus blood like it's actually fairly complicated science there it's a also a very

Speaker 1 it's a lot less straightforward of a science than people think so let's just sort of leave that aside but number one we would probably go backwards and say, you got to stop eating so much fish in that particular thing, right?

Speaker 1 That's probably going to solve your problem.

Speaker 1 We've seen that more than a few times. And just downregulating known heavy metal consumption products is a better way to go about it.

Speaker 1 If past that, we have to go to like level 3000 where we're now taking vitamin D, like fine, we can get there.

Speaker 1 But most of the time, I'm generally going to say, unless we have a reason to take vitamin D, I'm not going to take it.

Speaker 1 If your levels are reasonable, then let's just come off of the supplement and see what happens. If you come off of it and you stay where you're at, then we're good.

Speaker 1 If you come off of it and they start coming down, then maybe we go back on it.

Speaker 2 What about

Speaker 2 magnesium? Yep.

Speaker 1 Magnesium is involved in, again, about every dang metabolic process in your entire body. You pick your favorite thing, whether you like mitochondria or brain.

Speaker 1 Like you, you pick the thing you're into, and I will show you how magnesium plays a critical role in that.

Speaker 1 If you also look at the research, and this is really hard to glean for some reasons I'll talk about in a second, but if you look at the the research historically you're gonna see pretty high numbers of the population having insufficient magnesium intake in their food why we're generally gonna get it from foods that people don't like to eat

Speaker 1 like what dark leafy greens oh other things like that right that are not common in our diet other not like you can get it from animal products as well but they're the uncommon ones right A lot of times we have insufficient intake in people.

Speaker 1 In addition to that, the more physically active you are, the more magnesium you get. So you start combining all this stuff.

Speaker 1 It's one of of the really common ones where people just don't have enough of now you can easily get magnesium tested in your blood but you got to be careful here magnesium in your blood will tell you a lot of insights into a lot of different things in your body but it won't tell you much at all about how much magnesium you have really because 60 of your magnesium is stored in your bones not in your blood it's the same thing but not as bad as calcium right 99 of your calcium is in your bones so calcium levels in your blood tell you a tremendous amount about what's happening but it doesn't tell you that much about calcium storage concentrations.

Speaker 1 Magnesium is the same. Again, most of it's not going to be in your blood.
And so if you were looking at magnesium in your blood, you're basically looking at an incredibly transient marker.

Speaker 1 And so if you get your magnesium drawn one day, do it again the next day, those numbers are going to be wildly different. You get it done a week later, it could be wildly different.

Speaker 1 So I would not use a direct blood test of magnesium as your only marker of whether or not you're eating enough magnesium.

Speaker 1 You would have to do much more invasive testing, which is just not a realistic thing for the most part.

Speaker 2 So should people take it or not take it?

Speaker 1 Kind of depends on their physical activity. If we would strongly prefer you to get more magnesium in your diet, if you can go there.

Speaker 2 That said, not take the supplement.

Speaker 1 We use magnesium supplements constantly, really constantly. I take it almost every day personally, and we recommend it to a large percentage.
of the people we work with.

Speaker 2 But then why do you say that you'd rather get it from your diet?

Speaker 1 Well, we do both. We're going to double dip.

Speaker 2 So you do believe in magnesium supplements.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, they're super effective.
You just, what I wanted to be careful of is the fact that you didn't look at your blood levels of your magnesium.

Speaker 2 But you said even if you look at your blood, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 You can use it for a lot of cool stuff, but just don't look, don't assume your magnet. Put it this way.
If you look at your blood draw and your magnesium is really high, don't be like, well, I'm good.

Speaker 1 I don't need to eat magnesium. Right, right, right.
That has almost nothing to do with what's actually happening in your body. So you still might need a bunch of magnesium in your food.

Speaker 2 And by the way, there's a million kinds of magnesiums. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 This actually used to be a wild area, area and it is toned down in the last like five years a lot there used to be a lot of ineffective forms those are mostly being cleared on the market to be totally honest okay most of them are pretty good if you want to go with um uh kind of the most common forms of it you're going to see are like magnesium malate magnesium biscuisinate those are like the most common ones the magnesium oxides and stuff are almost all gone how about citronate citrus yeah you can do that fine as well it just has a little bit to do with the chemistry of how they're brought in um obviously you know andrew huberman is for the most part popularized magnesium 3 and 8.

Speaker 1 It's fine. You can do that as well.
What is that?

Speaker 2 Actually, I didn't even know he did, but what is it? What is that?

Speaker 1 Just a different form of it.

Speaker 2 I'm probably one of the only people, by the way, who don't listen to the Huberman podcast on the regular.

Speaker 1 I think you're actually the only girl. You're probably the only person in the entire world who does listen to you.

Speaker 2 I am. I am the only girl.

Speaker 2 For sure, the only girl. That's 100% true.
Yeah. I mean, that guy's become like a rock star.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's the best.

Speaker 2 He's, yeah. But yeah, I've listened to a few.
I listened to yours, actually.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm talking about. Right.
So what you're basically saying is Andy Galpin, Andrew Huberman.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly.
Exactly. No, I...
Cut me that clip. I'm going to take that to him right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. Listen, I like Andrew Huberman.
We were texting for a few minutes, like for, I don't know, years ago. He was supposed to come on this podcast and he basically like ghosted me.

Speaker 1 I don't feel bad about that.

Speaker 2 Oh, I feel bad. Yeah.
I do.

Speaker 1 If he's listening, which I'm sure he's not, he's a very, I've known him for years. We were really good friends before he ever had social media.

Speaker 1 yeah and he ghosts me all the time and i ghost him all the time you're right i wonder what what do you think the x factor is about him that made oh that he's he has he has the conor mcgregor package

Speaker 1 he has an like unmatched intellect yeah his retention is off of the charts yeah his physical appearance is perfect he's stanford he's a neuroscientist His energy, his delivery, like he has all of those factors that go into it.

Speaker 1 He is himself fit and healthy and he interacts his lifestyle. People see him behind the scenes.
Like he is the genuine person, right? This is like, there's no skeletons there at all.

Speaker 1 This is what he does. So when you put that all together, you're like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like he just has, he has all the other people that have gotten big, like you have a little, you have one or two of these. He just has it all.

Speaker 2 You're right. And he hit fast.
Like it was crazy. Like I remember when I found him at 50,000 or something so small.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then like, I've never seen anyone track that fast. Like he's at like millions and millions.
Like he's become mainstream. Like I think by my mom knows who he is.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like it's so bizarre.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what's, you know, what I love about it the most, other than like being happy for him, he's so punk.
He only ever does things the way he wants to do it.

Speaker 1 And from the gate, like he didn't do any things of like, oh, you have to do this to optimize. You have to do this.
He's just like, no. Like, I'm just.
And if it works, works great. Like, whatever.

Speaker 1 Not from an arrogance perspective, but just being like true to himself. And like, this is what he wants to do.
This is a topic topic he wants to talk about. These are the papers he wants to read.

Speaker 1 I'm like, that's what he's going to do. I like knowing that.
It's great. It's great.
Like, no one deserves it more than he does.

Speaker 2 I like to. Oh, my gosh.
By the way, this wasn't an ad for Andrew Huberman either.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It just seemed to be like, well,

Speaker 2 he's glad that I'm glad he has a friend like you, but you can tell him on the side, listen, this girl, you know,

Speaker 2 you said you were going to do her show many years ago.

Speaker 1 Get in line with all the other people that

Speaker 2 he promised. Why does he promise? He shouldn't do that, though.

Speaker 1 You know honestly uh people get mad about this but this is uh

Speaker 1 here's what will happen with him he will genuinely be excited like super excited to do something and want to do it and he'll say yes and then he'll look at his calendar and it is going

Speaker 1 and he's like damn damn damn and then it just gets buried on the thing so it's not disingenuous at all when he says yes to something he legitimately is very excited about it And then reality sets in of like travel schedule and other things.

Speaker 1 And it just like can't physically happen. So he probably should be better at being more realistic about his commitments.

Speaker 1 I will say it that way, but it's never like uh, eh, she's not popular enough, or he's not cool. It's always like, yeah, he's super into it, and then it's just then why is he showing up on other shows?

Speaker 1 I can't promise you, I don't know. You don't know

Speaker 1 it's timing, it's fluke, it's

Speaker 2 okay, okay.

Speaker 1 It's all the lucky things, right?

Speaker 2 Like, all right, because I see him on Joe Rogan, he has time for Joe Rogan. Well, fair enough, you know, I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, okay.

Speaker 2 Well, anyway, Andrew, you're more than welcome to come on the show if you so, so have the time. Okay, what was the other thing? Okay, so I had, now I forgot what I was even yammering on to you about.

Speaker 2 I was saying to supplements. Oh, yeah.
Let's just go with, okay, we're going to end with this. Give me the day in the life of what you do.

Speaker 2 You kind of, you're talking about your kids and your, your, your morning routine. You're kind of going into your nutrition and then I cut you off with something else.
Tell me what you.

Speaker 1 You got all excited about the bear meat.

Speaker 2 I got the, yeah, the bear meat like threw me totally off. And I was like very excited.
So we got the morning down. Okay.
And then you, then what happens?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I'll eat that.
And what supplements?

Speaker 2 I want to know everything.

Speaker 1 I will eat those things as well as always some fruit in the morning and then generally some starch. And I have a pretty big variety of what I'm going to choose for those categories.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Supplementation-wise, it is.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, one more question about fruit. That was what I had down here.
I'm so sorry to interrupt you. What's your take on too much fruit?

Speaker 1 It's unlikely to be an issue. Okay.
You can have too much of anything.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 Calories is, is calories calories?

Speaker 2 Let's get this straight because is calorie like calories in versus calorie out that is a real thing oh yeah i mean you can't avoid that 100 and people are like it's not about calorie eating yes it is and i will tell you something just quickly because it you can eat fruit but i will say i'm a huge fruit person i can eat five pounds of grapes in one sitting no problem and i will gain weight from it yeah it does happen sure well calories matter calories matter yeah it doesn't matter right are calories the only thing that matters no is it the most important important thing?

Speaker 1 Maybe not. Is calorie measuring the best dietary system? Maybe not.
That doesn't mean calories don't count.

Speaker 1 There are ways that it looks like the calorie in, calorie out system is not working for you, but that generally means a miscalculation on calories in or calories out, right?

Speaker 1 Because the body does lots of adaptive things

Speaker 1 to manage, to mitigate and manage what happens there. So yeah, calories matter.
And that's like

Speaker 1 you, anything past that is details now but you you can't make an argument that calories just don't exist okay or matter right so all of my supplements are very specific to either my goals at that time and or what's happening in my physiology so it changes okay i don't just take the same thing you don't you're not just like have you ever heard of something called nac nac sure how important is that somewhat high to none okay so you're talking about a precursor for glutathione for the most part right so it has a generally you can think of it as like a pretty potent antioxidant i'm not something i would tell everyone to take you have to be really careful especially with timing of antioxidants especially powerful ones like that if you're trying to induce any physiological adaptation this comes in response to insult so you cause an inflammatory response when you exercise if you then block that inflammatory response with an nsaid with nac

Speaker 1 with vitamin e vitamin c then you will mitigate and block adaptations Really? This has been shown many times.

Speaker 1 You have to take a pretty high amount, but if you're trying to cause stress and then you're stopping the stress from happening, you're stopping the physiological response.

Speaker 2 But I thought

Speaker 2 taking antioxidants is a great...

Speaker 1 Antioxidant supplements are something you should be very conscious of. High antioxidant fruit foods are almost always okay.

Speaker 1 So if you're eating, if you're eating more quality foods that are higher in antioxidants, this is almost always a good thing.

Speaker 1 But now when you're taking them in the form of a medication of a supplement, you're getting extremely high dosage in non-natural combinations, if you will.

Speaker 1 That becomes really problematic is almost a fair word to say. So

Speaker 1 it can happen.

Speaker 1 Same what I just explained. So if you're overly suppressing inflammation, inflammation is a signal for adaptation.
It is a signal for blood clotting. It is a signal for cognitive change.

Speaker 1 It is a signal for neuroplasticity. If you're going in there and smashing and maximally suppressing that, then you don't have any stimuli for adaptation.
Like this becomes a problem.

Speaker 1 So we do not just prophylactically take antioxidants of any kind. If we have a very structured reason for that, then we might put some in there.

Speaker 1 But then we're going to come off of them as soon as we demo. But we do not just put people on, especially high-powered ones like NAC, and just as like a, yeah, go take this for forever thing.

Speaker 2 Okay, I want to tell you about one that I just, someone, I saw it on Instagram and I went to buy it. It's called Ask.
Okay, hold on a second. I'm going to show you on Amazon.

Speaker 2 This is very important because it was like. I thought it was like, they said it's the number one antioxidant, blah, blah, blah.
So important to take.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh, okay, I guess I'm missing out on something here. Okay.
And it's called Astaxanthin.

Speaker 1 Astaxanthin? Yeah. Yeah, it's great.
That's your blueberry stuff. That's just like the ingredient down the list.
And it's one of the many awesome things in blueberries, cherries, and things like that.

Speaker 1 It's phenomenal. Lots of research on it.
It's great. Again, though, I would say the same thing.
We're not going to take those unless we have a reason for that.

Speaker 1 Because you have to be conscious of what you're trying to do signaling-wise in your physiology. Why? Because this is a potent one.

Speaker 2 It is a potent one. So I thought because it's an antioxidant and it's supposed to be found in blueberries, it's great for your skin and da-da-da-da.

Speaker 2 I thought, wow, like more is more, not less is more.

Speaker 1 No, definitely not the case.

Speaker 1 You can get away with higher than needed amounts of protein, of fiber.

Speaker 1 But you start getting into, here's a general rule. If it is a macronutrient, fiber, water, protein, carbs, fat, no big deal.
If you eat excess. Okay.

Speaker 1 If it is a micronutrient, if it is a vitamin, if it's a water-soluble vitamin, you'll just pee it out.

Speaker 1 So not a big deal for over-consuming water-soluble vitamins usually, with some exceptions, vitamin C, things like that.

Speaker 1 If you start getting into fat-soluble, and if you specifically get into minerals, be really, really careful of high concentrations of exogenous minerals, iron, calcium. even something like potassium.

Speaker 1 These can cause real significant and serious issues. So I wouldn't go to any of of these things.
Phytochemicals are in the same realm, antioxidants.

Speaker 1 You really should be conscious of using those things unless you have a reason. If you are training super hard and you're peeking for competition, we might add in some antioxidant supplementation.

Speaker 1 If we're in a particular area of the world, let's say, or traveling with a lot of pollutants, or you're going to be just interacting with a lot of people and you're worried about it, you're going to be sleeping a lot less and you have other things that are going to suppress your immune system.

Speaker 1 We might add in some antioxidant support there but if not we're not going to touch those things oftentimes if we're having any immune related issues there's something causing it we're going to go back and solve that problem and then just let your immune system and your physiology do what it wants to do and get out of the way so why should you get off of these things i wouldn't take them unless you had a real reason for it well i went to get my blood tutton by this guy who took 300 of my blood markers and he said that i need to take it well again if you have a reason for it then that was three years ago though oh my god well you're not the same person okay i got to get my blood taken again wow thank you that i'm glad you came just for that yeah no that's uh

Speaker 1 i'd say like if you're all like at home and you're confused don't have blood or whatever uh um if you are leading a inactive lifestyle and or you eat a bunch of low quality food or you do something that is known um to be pretty deleterious like excessive alcohol or smoking or you live in a place that has really low air quality here in la right now right should i be taking it now because maybe you're quality may be right.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Right.
Then, then, okay.

Speaker 1 But if you're checking most of those boxes, I wouldn't, without blood work or without some particular reason, I would probably stay away from most antioxidant supplements.

Speaker 2 Okay, I need to ask you again because I'm actually very serious about this now. How much is it if someone comes to see? Because you're so, you have all these labs and these tests.

Speaker 2 If I came to you and said, hey, I want to be your client. Can you coach me? You personally, you're not going to coach me.
Don't lie.

Speaker 1 You're too busy to coach me. No, no, there is.

Speaker 2 You're going to coach me yourself.

Speaker 1 We have a a program called optimum that i personally coach you you're gonna coach me that's me directly how much are you i'm gonna hire you

Speaker 1 uh yeah it's look into the program okay i want to give i want to know i think people want to know i bet you people are curious like how much is um it's it's not a reasonable number that most people can afford is it a thousand dollars it's you're gonna you're pretty low five thousand like it's what do you is it is it do do you is it by hour by month no um our coaching program our full immersion coaching program, it's one program, one price.

Speaker 1 That's it. It's not a la cardio.

Speaker 2 How much?

Speaker 1 It's more than you're thinking.

Speaker 2 10,000.

Speaker 1 So if you want, what you can do.

Speaker 2 You can't be embarrassed. If you're actually charging this price, you have to be able to say it aloud.

Speaker 1 I'm not embarrassed. It's just

Speaker 1 better this way.

Speaker 2 Why is it better this way? Because people are going to be like, oh, this guy sounds really knowledgeable.

Speaker 1 You can look in the program and you can see if it's your fit.

Speaker 2 And you do it yourself.

Speaker 1 the optimal program i i personally coach we have this is where i personally coach will you tell me afterwards these yeah these uh the when i say like i coach this is not like people in my company this is literally the people i'm coaching okay then we have a a little more affordable program um that i have built and i did coach for years and years in and now i i don't personally coach in that anymore At the same time, you can do something like just our blood work.

Speaker 1 So our blood work program is called Vitality. Okay.

Speaker 1 This will, it's like a, it's like about 100 markers, I think, plus or minus.

Speaker 2 So 115-ish.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then there's, again, probably another several thousand that it's calculating after that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But that will not only pull those markers, it'll analyze, it'll interpret, tell you exactly what all these markers and combinations and cross-reactions mean, and then tell you exactly what to do to not just fix the marker that is high or low, but to fix the cause.

Speaker 2 Who does that? Who gives me that?

Speaker 1 It's all automated in software.

Speaker 2 So it will tell me.

Speaker 1 So you'll run through it. Your results will come back in.
You'll get an alert. You'll pop on and everything will be analyzed and interpreted for you.
It can walk you through: hey, this number is high.

Speaker 1 This is what it means. This is what it's doing.
And then do exactly this to correct, maybe not that number, but correct the cause of that problem. And it's all automated for you.

Speaker 2 How much is that per?

Speaker 1 That's $1,250.

Speaker 2 Once, a one-time fee. Yeah.
Per, yeah.

Speaker 1 And if you buy, of course, like semi-annual or multiple, it's cheaper.

Speaker 2 Does someone come to your house and take your blood?

Speaker 1 you can do that if you want yeah you can go to you know a local lab car or whatever you can do

Speaker 1 i think mobile phlebotomy is a separate charge on top of that 1200 but you know usually it's a couple hundred bucks or less or whatever okay or you can go to lab core so you can get into blood work for that's very affordable um our absolute rest sleep program is is much more expensive again because it's you know i'll tell you i'll ask but because i want to know just in general because this is yeah i want to try this stuff and obviously i don't know why you're embarrassed to say it's not it's not at a price where you're like i want to try that

Speaker 1 it's not like a pair of shoes the blood work program may be like in the number that you're like oh okay i'll try that yeah this is probably

Speaker 1 this is not this is like you better be very serious because it's a almost a year-long program and so and you have like who's like the biggest athlete you've done by the way define big

Speaker 1 like someone who's like optimally known to be optimal we've had the highest contract patrick mahomes and um

Speaker 1 we've had the highest contract in sports probably six or seven times.

Speaker 1 Like LeBron? Not LeBron.

Speaker 1 Patrick Mahomes. Not Patrick.
Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 But we have had everything from Travis Barker. I still work with Travis.
He's phenomenal. To Fred Warner, who's the number one linebacker in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus, he signed the highest contract in Major League Baseball history, won the Cy Young. John Rahm behind Tiger Woods, very likely the highest paid golfer in the world.

Speaker 1 Probably a thousand that I'm forgetting at this point. I'm always terrible with remembering, but these are some of the big names that are like right now on the top of our list.

Speaker 1 But plenty of Hall of Famers, MVPs, Cy Young winners, again, the highest contract of the time, at least six times.

Speaker 2 Do you trade people personally? Yeah. Like in the gym.
Yeah. So you do the whole thing.
But you live in Seattle. Like, do you travel all the time?

Speaker 1 I do a little bit. And then, I mean, I lived here in LA for like 13 years.
Oh. So, like,

Speaker 1 Tatiana Suarez,

Speaker 1 my daughter knows her. They're like best buddies because she came to my house and like trains at my house.

Speaker 2 So were you a trainer too? Like you did this stuff.

Speaker 1 Coaching.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. Like you did the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Brian Ortega, UFC fighter.
Yeah. Like he lives here in LA, right? So hundreds of times.

Speaker 2 So were you a trainer then? Like

Speaker 2 if I were to say, hey, I want a trainer, can you come over?

Speaker 1 Well, oh, sort of, like strength conditioning coaches. I know you were generally how we coach.

Speaker 1 Like you're not like, but like if you're asking, like if I'm in the gym taking them through their training training programs, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you do the whole thing from kit and caboodle.

Speaker 1 I did that for many, many years. I started actually, I first started coaching professional athletes like in the gym personally in 2003.
Wow. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've had a lot of pro athletes that like I have directly personally coached in my house in the gym in different formats. All the different things.
So I'm not in the gym with them as much anymore.

Speaker 1 Like I said.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 I'm still actively coaching many of them. Right.

Speaker 2 Well, I think you're different though. Like, I mean, you're obviously so knowledgeable.
Like, that's the thing. That a certain level, like, they need people like you.

Speaker 2 You can't just be a trainer doing squats and lunges.

Speaker 1 You have to do that. Which is great, too.
Right.

Speaker 2 Well, it's, but I'm saying everything serves a purpose, right? To get to the next level of like these intricacies, right? You need someone who has a background in all of these things.

Speaker 1 And my interest clearly is in like a little bit of all of them. Yeah.
So I mean, I didn't have, honestly, I didn't have it in me to be a full-time only strength coach or a full-time only sciences.

Speaker 1 I much prefer doing kind of a little bit of everything. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Holistic approach.

Speaker 1 And then having a whole bunch of legitimate experts that I work with to bring in to be true experts in those fields, right?

Speaker 2 See what they're good at.

Speaker 1 So all of our stuff is like a team approach, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So we try to bring in the best physical therapists, the best behavioral therapists, the best conditioning coaches, the best medical providers and say like, whatever you need, you're going to get a legitimate world-class individual in that category.

Speaker 1 And I generally sit kind of like on the top is a bad way to say it, but I'm kind of the first filter that goes, yo, yo, this is where we need to go. You're the quarterback, basically, of the program.

Speaker 1 Kind of.

Speaker 2 I get that. Okay, quickly in two minutes, give me your day today.
Okay, I know you eat bear and eggs in the morning. Then what happens?

Speaker 1 And fruit and starch. Almost always, a few hours into the day, I'm going to have like a 40-gram protein.
ingestion right now for probably two months straight.

Speaker 1 That means I'm going to do a double scoop of momentous. Like, I promise you that's true.
Like, it's just done another thing. Yep.

Speaker 1 So I'll hammer that and then maybe another piece of fruit, which makes me feel great. And then we always do lunch and dinner is the same thing.

Speaker 1 And so, the way that we'll like we'll make dinner and then double the thing and have it for the next day. Smart.
So, I'll explain to you lunch, and it's the same thing as dinner.

Speaker 1 But it's always a combination of six to eight ounces of meat of various kinds, a giant serving, like an entire plate of vegetables. And this is an enormous variety.

Speaker 1 Um, my wife is a tremendous, tremendous, I won't say chef, but basically a chef. So, she's makes all kinds of things.

Speaker 1 Some serving of fat there, whether that's going to be nuts or cheese or an oil or avocado, whatever the thing is. And then depending on the day, some varying amount of starch.

Speaker 1 So quinoa to rice to sweet potatoes to regular potatoes to sour bread to like any number of things. And then the meal in between that could be something like yogurt.

Speaker 1 and nuts or some other thing like that. So you kind of run that thing out and you can see like 200 grams of protein is pretty easy to get to.

Speaker 2 And then other habits, like you work out at two or three o'clock.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like in the afternoon is when I like to train. Sometimes that gets pushed back a little bit.

Speaker 2 Do you do kind of what? Do you do push-pull?

Speaker 1 No, I do.

Speaker 1 If I'm going to be lifting weights, I'm generally going to be doing full body. Oh, I don't do body part splits at all.

Speaker 1 And then what I do is I will oftentimes rotate like strength training and then some sort of conditioning.

Speaker 1 And the reason I do that is because my travel schedule is what it is, I would not have success doing a, like a, I lift legs on Monday, or I just do the next workout the next day I have a chance.

Speaker 1 That's however I do it, right? So if I have seven days in a row, I'm going to train seven days in a row because I might have four days in a row of like terrible travel, right?

Speaker 1 Or non-stop media, blah, blah, blah, right? Where I'm like, okay, there's just no reality of me getting a 45-minute lift in because I got to take my Uber for an hour.

Speaker 1 I don't have three hours of a break, right? Cause I'm on the road or my hotel doesn't have a gym or whatever the case is.

Speaker 2 Where are you staying?

Speaker 1 At the Ramada Inn now or where? Well, like depending on where you're at, like you get, you know,

Speaker 1 depending on what city you're in and you're all over the place and timing and things like that, right? So I'll just do the next one.

Speaker 1 So my conditioning could be anything from, you know, like 15 minutes of really high intensity sprint work or it could be longer duration, lower intensity. It could be, you know, like an hour walk.

Speaker 1 Could be all kinds of different stuff I do.

Speaker 1 And then my workouts are generally going to be, again, like I have a coach. I hire a full-time strength additional coach for my program.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tim DiFrancesco does my stuff. He was the former strength edition coach for the Lakers.
So really, really high level, but like I pay him to write my programs.

Speaker 2 Yeah. That's, by the way, the best at best in the world have coaches.

Speaker 1 That's that I did my own stuff for decades and it's just, I will never do it again. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I agree with you.

Speaker 1 Never. Yeah.
So he, he does all my programs and he's awesome about changing stuff up as I'm going or whatever.

Speaker 2 And you're, if you're motivated, then you don't need someone to stand with you, right?

Speaker 2 You just need them to kind of give you the program.

Speaker 1 Honestly, personally, when I train, I don't want anybody around me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, me. I'm the same way as you.

Speaker 1 Like, my whole life is talking to other people for the most part. I know.
Whether it's our companies or my students or whatever. So, when I can have an hour to myself, I'm like, I'm out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't want anybody else around. So, I love having a remote coach like that.
But that's generally what it is. So, my day, like, that's what I'll eat.
That's how I do it. The kids are home.

Speaker 1 Usually, like six o'clock, we're doing dinner and then it's like family time the rest of the day. They're in bed at eight o'clock.
Eight o'clock is, you know, wife and I time to do whatever.

Speaker 1 And then it's wake up the next day and do it again.

Speaker 2 Wow, by the way, I'm so sorry. I kept you here for three plus hours.

Speaker 2 I mean, I could go on and I mean, you're probably, my leg fell asleep like four times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 But okay, I'm gonna let you leave because I know you're probably like, when is this girl gonna shut up?

Speaker 1 All good, all good.

Speaker 2 I mean, and I can go on and on, but I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna let you peace out. Okay, okay, you guys, this is again Dr.
Andy Galpin.

Speaker 2 Check out all his programs, check out his podcast, check out his six-part series with Andrew Huberman, who we, who he loves. And

Speaker 2 he's great. You like, you're great.
Would you, would you come back?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in LA somewhat routinely, so we'll definitely do that.

Speaker 2 All right, because I would love to have you on like semi-regularly if you can stand it. Because I mean, you have, I mean, if I want to ask these questions, I want to ask them to someone who...

Speaker 2 pretty much i can guarantee has the answer in you know who who knows the answer not just making up shit as they go you know what i mean yeah well, yeah, I don't know about that, but okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, just pretend.

Speaker 2 All right. All right.
Thank you so much for coming on the show.

Speaker 1 My pleasure. Thank you so much.
Bye, everyone.