Episode 432: Kris Gethin: The Natural Blueprint for Building Muscle After 40

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I used to be super muscular. All right.
And then as I'm beginning, as I get older and I've been, I've worked out like a fiend up for the forever, like since I was like in my teens, right? And so my body is adapted so well to that. But as you get older, the same things that worked when you were 20 or 25 don't necessarily have the same effects it has when you're 40, 45, 50.
How do people, as they're middle- middle age maintain and also still build muscle and look the same like you, like you're 50 years old and you're still ripped. And I presume you're not on any steroids since you are natural, you know, HRT, nothing like that.
No, not even HRT because, because what I was going to actually ask you, and I didn't want to be rude, but now that you mentioned it, like most of the people I know who are in their middle age, like 45, 50, 55, whatever, who look really muscular, they're on a lot of HRT. They're on testosterone.
They're cycling a lot of like other, you know, HGH. They're doing a lot of peptides.
They're really doing a lot of injectable things to kind of get really to kind of get them to that place where they can really lean out. How do we do it naturally? Okay, well, that's a very open-ended question.
So the one thing that I really focus on is, you know, there's a lot of estrogenics in our society, you know, estrogen mimickers. You know, we could be cooking with Teflon.
We could be utilizing the microwave. We could be open ourselves to a lot of EMFs.
Some people are more electrosensitive than others. You know, there's plastics.
People are utilizing plastics all the time. They're eating out of plastics.
And then obviously it can be in our water. So always look at people's air, water, and their environment to ensure that, okay, the skincare products that you're using, the hair products, the laundry detergent, is it natural or is it synthetic? Have they got estrogen mimickers in there? You know, because obviously that's all going to lower your testosterone levels.
The one thing that I say is the big, big thing. People knock out fat from their diet and they knock out their sleep and their testosterone levels are obviously going to tank and then they go on TRT, but they haven't fixed the root cause.
Now they're just putting a bandaid on it. So I always look at the root cause first.
You know, are they getting asleep? Are they getting sunlight? Maybe there are are testosterone precursors that they need to take, such as vitamin D with K2, obviously, and creatine, progesterone, DHEA. There's so many things that you can do to help elevate your testosterone levels, number one.
And then when it comes to maintaining that muscle, obviously testosterone helps with that. You may need to, as you're getting a little bit older, decrease the frequency of your training and the volume of your training.
So I used to train like six days a week. I recover very, very well, fortunately for my age.
So I brought it down to four times, five times a week now. But some people that may have a higher biological age than myself may need to bring it down to four days a week, possibly three days a week.
Again, focusing on the quality, taking larger, longer rest between sets to ensure that you're pushing heavy. And then maybe you are focusing a little bit more on your compound moves to ensure that you are releasing your testosterone because testosterone in that respect is released more on

compounds. And then as we know, things like the sunlight or red light therapy can help with testosterone as well.
So can sauna and ice baths. Ice baths have been shown to really elevate testosterone levels in more and more studies as of recent.
Thomas over at Morosco Forge is leading the charge with that really yeah so so ways to naturally enhance your testosterone is ice baths red light therapy yeah red light therapy i have this amazing i i use this like tri-light from a fair size you know it's like a bendable red light which one do you use Are you using a one like a panel or what are you using? I've got them all, I think. I know.
Yeah. So I've got, yeah, I've got the panels that I'll use in the morning.
I've also got what's called a Serathrive on my head and I use it for the belly as well for gut health. And I have a Lumaflex that is specifically for joints, you know, so I use them all.
I'm a big fan of red lights. So wait, if you have all these different body part ones, how does it work? Are you basically just, is it like a, are you in like a blanket? Are you just like have pads all over your body or? No, the Serathrive is two different modalities.
One is like a band that goes around the head and that's focused specifically on brain health. And then you have another one that's like a pad so big that you have on your belly that is specifically targeting for gut health.
And then I have another one that's a small one that I usually take when I'm traveling for joints, but maybe I'll use that to help set my circadian rhythm in the morning. Or wherever I'm traveling to, I have the panels at home that i'll get under naked because i want to make sure that i am shining it on my balls as well for my testosterone production and of course for my collagen and help set the circadian rhythm and skin health etc i'm shocked that you've never tried that tri-light though from therisage it's like you can take it wherever you go you can travel with it it it can go anywhere, your stomach, your balls, your face, wherever you want.
Okay. I'll check that out.
Please send me a link. I'll check that out.
I don't know if I've ever seen that one. I'm going to buy you a present.
I'll get you one. Send me your address and I will send you one for being a guest on my show.
I appreciate that. Thank you very much.
You're welcome. The other thing that I was going to say, and maybe this person would be a great guest for you in the future, is Dr.
Dome from Germany. He's like the world's leading biodentist.
And the one thing that I noticed, when I got long COVID, my testosterone levels really, really dropped and I had difficulty getting them back up. I had two metal implants in my mouth.
He removed those implants. I also had a gold tooth because it looked cool.
And I had got it knocked out years ago by a donkey of all things. But when I had this donkey, my sister owned a donkey and I was stroking the donkey one day and it decided to headbutt me.
So not a real cool story. But nonetheless, when I had this dental intervention and Domi talks a lot about this, he's got a great book out called Health Starts in Your Mouth.
It's quite common for people's testosterone levels to be drawn down from, you know, maybe they've got mercury in the mouth from amalgams from years ago, or maybe they've got implants. And I noticed two things when I had this dental intervention, it may sound very woo-woo.
My testosterone went up, my liver enzymes came right down almost immediately. So I think there's something to be said there, but Domi would be able to explain that a lot better than I can because he's got a plethora of professional athletes and people that have had the same, and it's fixed them maybe they had um a molar here that was connected to the knee for instance because there's it's all interconnected from our mouth and now they fixed that molar and now that professional footballer's knee is better it's so bizarre it's beyond me i've never heard that before so really when you're when you got that when the donkey actually did you a favor when he kicked that gold tooth out of your mouth well no he kicked he hit my tooth out of my mouth i put a gold tooth in there just to replace it to look cool you know oh that's true okay and then that gold tooth was the one that had the mercury no no no that gold tooth basically he said that's acting like an antenna, you know, because I have the mobile phone, we're exposed to Wi-Fi, non-native EMF.
But the implants were leaching into my body. And of course, they were in a place where they shouldn't have been.
So he replaced them with ceramics. He does ceramic implants.
Wow. So that's interesting.
How crazy is that? So all these things could be lowering your testosterone and we don't even know it. Yeah.
A lot of it is hidden because if you look at the history of our testosterone levels, most of your listeners will know that it's been plummeting, plummeting year after year. Well, our DNA hasn't changed.
What has? Our environment, our air, our food, obviously, satellite, EMF, etc., etc. I could go on.
And then obviously, you know, we could talk about, like I said, the hygiene products that we use on a daily basis, the deodorants, etc. You know, they all have a negative effect.
So we can do a lot to manage it. Of course, we can't completely avoid it, but we can definitely keep our heads afloat.

Wow. So before even get into your daily, your own daily routine, you said something earlier in the beginning about how to like, how to kind of naturally lose body fat.
And you mentioned, was it berberine or some other supplement? Dihydroberberine. Yeah.
There's a product that I use is called GDAID.

Dihydroberberine is one of those ingredients in there. Sean Wells, as I'm sure you know, was the guy behind that ingredient.
And it's a lot more powerful than berberine itself. But then you have other ingredients like chromates.
There's just a lot of blood sugar stabilizing ingredients out there that you can take, particularly before a carb-heavy meal. You know, like a lot of people in the biohacking industry, they'll take metformin before bed, which is fine, you know, but I just take the dihydroberberine.
Actually, can I tell you something? I've never heard of that. And you mentioned this guy, Sean Wells.
I don't think I met him before. Oh, okay.
He's good friends with Darshan. He's known as the world's leading formulator, but he speaks at a lot of biohacking conferences as well.
And yeah, he's a great guy. I'm sure he's- Good friend of mine.
I'm actually hosting a retreat with him in April in Mexico. Really? What kind of retreat? It'll be a retreat.
It'll be myself, Jay Campbell. I don't know if you know Jay.
He's like the peptide guru. And Jeff-by.
I met him. Okay.
So you know Jay. Yeah.
So we're hosting a retreat there specifically for people who want to kind of get away from the busy lifestyle that they deal with all the time and learn about proper nutrition training, stabilizing your blood sugar levels, staying in a parasympathetic state. So we'll be doing like ice baths and sound baths and mezcals right on the beach there.
We'll go cenote hopping, but we'll also have educational seminars every day and we'll be hitting the jungle gym there on a daily basis. It's going to be a good time.
And so can you give me some other, because, you know, let me say this, I mean, you know, this is no how ozempic has taken over the weight loss world right like now you can't you know you can't shoot a cannon without like you know hitting somebody who's had who uses everybody in their world in the world especially in los angeles is on ozempic or one of those uh glp ones what is your take on it and can you give me some other natural ozempics that people can maybe take without relying on a glp1 like that yeah yeah uh for sure yeah it's become very prevalent you know you were at a4m there were so many booths there that had glps they're exhibiting I have a problem So many actually It's become like The new kale Yeah

Yeah that again, that again. Hopefully that doesn't recycle ourselves.
Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I have an issue of the way that it's prescribed because it's never prescribed with an outcome.
It's always basically you're on this forever, regardless of what that person's doing or what that person's eating. There's never a nutritional protocol or a training protocol that accompanies it.
As we know, if you are slowing down the gastric emptying process and you're now eating less, then of course you're going to lose a lot of muscle as well. That is not going to be good for mobilizing fatty acids.
It's not going to be good for your metabolism. If you do eat something, the chances of you storing that as body fat is going much higher.
So you're changing your body composition as well as losing weight. And we should be focusing a little bit more on losing fat.
But if you're losing fat and muscle that helps you burn fat, then obviously we're going against the grain. You know, there's never a talk of how many amino acids or how much protein that you should be consuming.
And there definitely needs to be some sort of weight bearing workout that's associated with it as well. So you don't lose muscle.
Further from that, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a physician, but I can't talk about certain things that I've heard from people that I know. Someone said they got a cancerous tumor from it.
Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But I think there needs to be a lot more studies done on it to ensure the safety and efficacy.
But that aside, it just needs to be prescribed in the right manner. Like I know somebody that's been on it for over a year, doesn't really look any different.
They just look softer to me because they're still eating crap, just less of it. But now they've lost their muscle as well.
So it just looks bad. Yeah.
You know what I find a lot of people are doing in our industry, like the health and fitness industry, they are on it and they're micro dosing GLP ones, right? So they may not be taking the full dose, but they are microdosing it. And so that's part of the protocol of them trying to look thinner and leaner or thinner, you know.
You haven't heard this whole thing? You don't know a lot of people who are microdosing it? I don't know of anyone personally who's microdosing. Most people that I know are microdosing psilocybin or LSD.
The people I know are microdosing both of those. One has nothing to do with the other.
So then what are some natural ways we can get the same effects that maybe a ozempic will give, but still maintain our muscle and be more natural and things that we can maintain? Yeah. Yeah, so there are of like probiotics out there, like acumencia has been shown to sedate your appetite a little bit.
You know, there is something that, you know, it's called immunoglobulins that you'd get from colostrum that has been shown to help to be as a GLP. And then fiber, just making sure that you get lots of fiber in your diet.
That is one thing that people usually ignore. And I don't mean just getting fiber from vegetables, but actually supplementing with it as well.
Something that's going to bind and expand. That could be like a psyllium husk, just as an example.
But a combination of those things usually help a lot of people. And the other one thing that I mentioned before is the blood sugar stabilizer

to ensure that you're taking like a GDA, for instance, to stabilize your blood sugar levels.

A lot of people are hungry and they eat unwavering amounts of foods,

usually because their blood sugar levels have crashed.