Episode 423: Jason Chambers: Below Deck's Captain on Navigating Fame, Fatherhood, and Luxury Yachts

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We have a very special and different guest today on the podcast. We have Captain Jason Chambers.
He is the captain of the ship on Below Deck, which is a massive hit on Bravo. Most of you guys probably watch it.
I think I'm probably the only person who doesn't watch the show, right? Like, I met just kind of like give you some like background. I met Jason yesterday in the green room at California Live.
I was doing a segment on parenting and raising resilient children, and Jason was in the green room. And I figured, why not get him on my podcast, even though in full transparency, I've never watched the show.
But I do know it is a very popular show. So anyway, thank you for being here.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
Well, I have a little 10-year-old daughter. So your segment yesterday when we met was very poignant.
Oh, I love that. So basically, I was doing the segment and then Jason pulls out his phone and showed me all these amazing, cute pictures of his daughter who loves to climb trees.
And basically what we, I think we bonded on the fact that technically on the West or in the West, you know, Western civilization, the U.S., people are just stuck on their phones and on social media and basically being bored or playing outside has become null and void. And so when you said to me about your daughter, how she's the antithesis, like living and growing up in Bali, which we'll get into, is completely different.
There's no such thing as that type of lifestyle. Yeah.
I met her mother in Spain. She's from Australia.
She was a chef on boats. And I always had a dream of building a place to replicate a super yacht on land.
You know, we do hospitality, like a resort-style thing where we can actually provide some health and wellness, but also give that special five-star service. Is that what you do on the boat? Because you can tell me about that.
That's what we do on boats. We have luxury yachts where hospitality, really, I'm just a concierge, really, for anyone's needs.
I drive a big boat around and provide wealthy people for anything they want from. This is okay.
So I want to get all into what you do also with the charity with your daughter, but let's start from the beginning. Okay.
So you're a captain on this boat. And so how long were you a captain before you became a captain on this big show? So this is our third season coming out, which has been, what, about four years it's been done.
So I was a captain for about 20 years prior to that. So I've been captain for 20 years, and then the show's been going for four.
So wasn't there – okay, now you're going to see how completely – I'm going to sound like a complete idiot. I remember watching commercials and there was a man who had like a beard and he had a gray hair.
He looked like he was like much older as the captain. Was that like a different show? Yeah.
Bravo have gone off into a few other franchises. We have Sailing, we have Mediterranean.
We did have Adventure and we have down under. So Captain Lee was the original and he's just hung the boots up a couple of years ago, actually.
So we still have a few other captains, Captain Sandy from the Mediterranean, great female captain. It's really, you know, setting a good example for females out there and striving in this industry.
And Captain Glenn, who's sailing and and Captain Kerry, which is taken over from Captain Lee. How many versions of this show is there? So there's been five.
We're down to a couple now. But we did have a venture, but that didn't last too long.
But sailing's been a stable mark, which is a sailboat, 50 metres or 170 foot. And then Sandy, Captain Sandy, who's in the Mediterranean, and then we have one in the Caribbean and down under.
So the guests get to see, it's kind of a bit of a fun travel reality, real unstructured program. Okay, but so it's kind of like the Real Housewives basically, right? Oh, I wouldn't say that.
Well, no, only because it was a popular show. Yeah.
And so then they did Housewives of Beverly Hills, Housewives of Orange County, Housewives of New Jersey, and on and on and on, right? Yeah, there's that aspect that the audience get to see a different location as well, like the Caribbean to the Mediterranean to down under. So it's not just about the dynamics of the crew trying to actually do a real job in a pressure cooker environment and see what actually unfolds.
So you're actually a real captain on the show. It's not just bullshit that you're just playing a captain on TV.
No, they don't script it. They don't tell us how to run the boat.
If they did, a captain wouldn't be a captain. As a captain, I wouldn't allow that, you know, because there's a lot of safety aspects behind it.
So we have to hold that. We have to be firm about that as captains.
We're driving big boats. We've got a lot of people.
We've got a lot of camera crew in the background as well. So the safety always falls back onto us.
Obviously, Bravo in the background have got their policies and procedures, which are pretty strong. But when it comes to the actual boat, starting the engine, getting it out there and providing the guests their quality time that they pay for.
They actually pay for it? They pay, you have to pay to get on. So just to sum it up, to make it easy, a boat, our size would be anywhere from 300 to 500,000 a week to rent.
Right, to rent, yeah. We actually, and you might do eight charters in a season from say May till September or from December till May.
And eight charters is a pretty busy charter season. And you might do a week, have a rest, week, have a rest, week.
And in between that, the crew will let loose, relax, get set up for the next one and go again. We actually do nine charters in six weeks.
Wow. So we're doing nine charters in six weeks.
We're not doing eight charters in six months. And not only that, I turn up to the boat.
I don't know the boat, never driven the boat. The crew turn up.
I very rarely know 80% of the crew. I might know a few return crew.
Then the food turns up and all the provisions turn up. And the next day the guests turn up and it goes straight for six weeks.
Not only that, after each charter, the crew go out, they relax, they celebrate their tips they just got, they have a little bit too much sometimes, or they hook up with someone or a bit of romance comes or a bit of argument or a little bit of argy-bargy, a bit of misogynism comes out, egos come out, it develops. And people say, well, that's not real.
Well, you know what? It's actually about two years of yachting shrunk into nine weeks. So it actually does happen, but we get to see it over a short period of time due to the environment that it's filmed in.
Okay. I've got so many questions now.
Okay. So you said so much stuff.
Okay. So doesn't Bravo just pick people to be on the boat? The casting picked the crew the crew are experienced crew they actually apply for it obviously right i don't get to pick them so right so then like so are so these are all people actually have that do this job legitimately they are experienced they've got qualifications yeah and so it's not always the same crew but always so but you're the captain which means you're always consistent on the show but does the entire so does your crew always change usually you have some fan favorites or people that have performed well will return okay and but that would only be about maybe maximum two so there's eight crew every year new crew so sorry there's about six new every year okay so then the people are renting the boat, they're actually paying to be on the show with the people, with the show? Yeah.
Rather than paying that 300 to 500,000 a week, like a normal person, they're only paying, you know, 70 to 80,000 for three days. Oh, wow.
And then they have to tip on top of that as well. So what kind of tips do you guys get? Well, you get big tips.
We average around about $20,000 per charter. So I'd say average that.
$20,000. $20,000.
For charters, how long, you said? For three days. So we do nine of them.
So we walk out with, say, $200,000 tip after nine weeks, and we split that between the 10 crew. Oh, you have to split everything.
Everything goes into a pot. Yeah.
Okay. And so the people that are i guess the guests of the boat instead of paying 300 000 or whatever they're paying 70 or 80 and they're picked by bravo yeah but look a lot of guests want to want to be on the show want to travel and and enjoy that i'd want to be a guest yeah yeah look at bring your egg complain about the crew make it hard for us and um that's that's all have to do to be a guest.
So I was going to say, so the more difficult the guest is, I guess the better the show is for – We want guests to actually be engaged, be authentic, but also be active, but also be honest as well. We want to be critiqued, and as a captain, I want to be critiqued as well.
Like I would like my chef to be under the microscope. I want my stewardesses in the service to be under the microscope.
It's better for us. It's better for the show.
But it's better for us to actually learn from and get better. So these ups and downs that go are real.
And look, there's not a boat out there that charters that doesn't have a bad guess that actually is really hard. And that's fine.
That makes us better. How do they fit? Like, how do you guys all sleep on the boat? Like, the whole crew and the guest? How many bedrooms are on these boats? So every charter boat can have only a maximum of 12 guests.
Okay. So it doesn't matter how big Jeff Bezos' boat is or whatever, they can only have 12 guests.
Otherwise, you're moving into a passenger liner, which is a different realm. So 12 guests.
So 12 guests. And then the crew, we have about 10 to 12, 13 crew.
And are you guys sleeping? Are you guys triple bunking? Yeah, yeah. Sometimes double bunking.
Not the captain. He's got his own.
But the crew always double or triple bunk. And then that's below deck.
And that's why it's why it's called below deck all the adventure goes on below down right so it's not really about the guests on the on the no i would say i would say probably 10 of it's about the guests 20 of it's about the location and the activities a good drama between and then i think a good 70 of it then is about um about the crew and how they actually perform and get on. So which show performs the best? Is the Down Under that you're on the most popular? I'd have to say that.
Blow Deck Down Under. Yeah, exactly.
We're all going pretty strong. We're all going pretty strong.
The ratings have been strong. It's been going for 10 or 11 years.
It's been fantastic. Can you believe it? Yeah, we got nominated for an Emmy nomination last year.
Our one, season two. So that was a good thing.
Yours, the Down Under one? Yeah. Oh, my God, it's amazing.
Yeah, unstructured reality TV show. So that was a pretty – we only got knocked off by Ryan Reynolds, so that's not too bad.
Oh, okay. Well, that's not bad.
Have you ever done any celebrities? Have you taken any celebrities on these? Some of the other franchises have done housewives and

stuff, but no real big celebrities.

No, besides the show,

like in real life, have you done? Back in the day

I did. I remember both the

boats that I were on, I was on with

I think we had Jennifer Lopez on once

down in the Caribbean. You think? You're not 100%

sure? And was

that like a 500,000

Anna Archer? She was an actress. I remember her from Fatal Attraction.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Lopez is- The Patriot Games or Patriot or something with Harrison Ford. Yeah.
I had a girl once, yeah. But she also did Fatal Attraction.
She was the wife. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. That's right.
She was in a heyday too. Right.
That was like her big thing. Yeah.
And those guys are paying $500,000 a week. Yeah, definitely.
Okay. And then were they nice? Was Jennifer Lopez nice? Look, I can't remember that.
I think I was really green then. That was my first season.
So I'm- Oh, your first season ever like doing it? Yeah, that was weird. And actually all that crew were the crew of Wolf of Wall Streets too.
Oh, of what? The movie, The Wolf of Wall Street, the boat that sank. My first captain was the captain on that from that boat oh really yeah in like the in real life yeah in real life so the guy who was the wolf of wall street was here and it was the most fascinating podcast like he was telling me all sorts of stuff i was like i've seen the movie of course but like he was telling me like the movie't give, it was like not even like a sliver of what really happened in real life.

I could probably, look, the crew that came off that boat, they were pretty tight lipped.

They didn't talk about anything.

Really?

So he can rest assured that no bad words were said about him.

Oh my, oh wow.

That's because he was saying some bad words himself.

He's probably gone through the other side now.

Oh, yeah, exactly. So how do you even become a captain on the show? Did you get the audition? I was in Papua New Guinea working for an American family there, which I wish I could tell you because they actually did some great work while we were there with some villages and stuff and rebuilding hospitals anyway.
You were? Yeah, we had a great opportunity. That has nothing to do with being a captain of a boat? Yeah, I was on a boat.
They didn't turn up because of some political issues here. They just didn't want to be seen on their boat.
They're a very big family here in America. Anyway, so I was working on that boat.
What boat? Can you tell me? I can't. I'm not going to say.
They're very low key. And they, we went, we dropped it.

I remember dropping an anchor once and I had to go ashore with the helicopter pilot to find the chief to talk about whether I could anchor it in his bay.

And we had a bag of, we had a bucket of nails, some flour, some tarpaulins and some tools to give as a present.

And we found this old deserted hospital.

And it still gets used with like 60 people they average a month with paddle and pass on canoes. Oh, wow.
Babies being born, no lights, no running water, absolutely horrendous conditions. So we went back and we got all the engineers off the boat.
We went up there. We looked at everything.
We came back again. We fitted out running water.
We fixed their pipes. We put new plumbing in.
We put new pumps in. We put LED lights in and everything.

Oh, wow.

And then when the owners did come, they wanted to come and see it. And they said,

how much did this cost? And I said, well, it cost me nothing. It cost you 10, 15,000.
He said,

triple it and keep doing it. And his guest was a big medical supplier.
So he actually sent over a pallet of medical supplies to him as well. And he said, just keep doing that.
Whatever you do. So we just cruised around and through the agent that we use there, we just found things to do.
And a lot of boats do contribute when they go through these areas. But wow, what a moment in life.
I remember once on the back of the boat, we had kids just sitting in dugout canoes and we set up a big sheet and a projector and we watched Moana at night. They've never seen TV before.
They've never seen TV. Wow.
And anyway, I was back in Australia. COVID was happening.
I couldn't get back to the Philippines where my daughter was. And it was at the end of COVID, just at the end.
And I was about to try and get out of Australia and leave this job because it was coming to America and I wanted to stay in Asia. And I got an email to join Below Deck Down Under, which was doing a franchise in Australia.
So, yeah, why not? But how did they even, like, okay, so how did they know to find you? I actually got an email through another captain friend. So through their casting, they put it out there, and my friend emailed me with them in it and said, listen, this is the guy that should be on the show.
He's down there, he knows the area and he should be on it. So we hooked up and we made contact and I really fell in love with the production team and talking to them.
I thought, these guys are pretty cool. You know, they're really good.
So I thought, why not do it? My crew convinced me to do it. I didn't think anything of it.
I thought I'd just do a season and then go and see my daughter, who I hadn't seen for a year. And here we are four years later.
Wow. Yeah, it's been fun.
Have you ever done TV before? No, never. No, no.
So I'm a fish out of water. So if you've ever seen any of the promos of me coming out of the water with my shirt off and everything, that is not me.
I was going to say that. I saw it yesterday in the green room because they were promoing me coming up next or whatever.
And so they promoted both of us, I guess. And you're wearing this like wet t-shirt or something coming out of the boat.
And they were like, oh, the sexiest man on Bravo, which is a whole other thing. So how did you get this whole sexiest man on...
No comment. No comment.
You have to tell me. I don't want to be derogative.
You have to be. I haven't got much...
Well, no. No, no, no, no, no.
Jason, you're on this podcast. You kept it.
You have to tell me. I think it's an untitled one.
It's untitled. Well, who called you this? Is it just some name that you...
Like the Bravo executive decided to call you? I don't know where it's and it's or is it all the women who are constantly asking about you or like um yeah possibly are you serious i'm asking so by the way so i'm 52 i don't see it that way you're so well you're you know what it is that's that's probably why they like you and why they think you're sexy is because you have like a humility to you that's what's actually what's sexy about pretty embarrassing well that well you being like this right now is actually sexy. Now, I'm not hitting on you.
I'm just saying, like, I'm not, I'm not hitting on him. I'm just saying because if you were this arrogant guy who was like coming out here and trying to be all like, you know, thinking that you're like this, this hot thing, it's, that's unattractive.
That's a turnoff. But if you're like, ah, shucks, come on, all this humility, try and do all these nice things with these kids.
I mean, that's why the ladies like you. I could totally understand, right? Bravo executive over here, right? Well, the thing is, like we spoke about, the job is real.
And then at the end of it, they get us to do all these promos. And to be quite honest, it's taken taken a bit but they're so much fun doing these promos you know like but and each year like really does it have to be shirt off again yeah are you doing all the shirt so like are you what is all i haven't seen them but like are you doing like billboards with your shirt off i'm sure they would if they could but they're good they they i'm sure they know market, they hit the market and it's fun.
Look, we just have fun doing it. It's after six weeks of really hard work, a lot of fatigue and it's kind of just this last three days of doing all these commercials and it's just like, oh, let's just have some fun and we go with it and have a great time doing it.
But wait, wait, wait, you're like, you're brushing off this whole like sex like sexiest man on reality tv thing so like are do you get dms from women like all day all night well we're with i'm filtered a lot let's filter you do so but you do basically i'm sure i do and so i'm going to ask the bravo lady so how did you decide that jason was going to be the sexiest man on Bravo, Is it because you guys just noticed the like influx of women who are constantly asking about him versus anybody else on the show? Well, is that really how? But like, who else do you guys even have on Bravo? There's heaps. I'm down the list.
I'm down the list. No, no.
Who else? What other guys are on Bravo that are like a big, big name? Yeah. Most of them are like, are like just like you know women who are like the whole package right like and so then you just kind of create this whole like thing around it you're leaning in okay i like that and he's embarrassed which makes it even better and all the other things so anyway my daughter yeah exactly how many people watch below deck like what's the what's? Like what's the numbers? I think each franchise is averaging just under a mil.
Yeah, it varies. You know, it varies.
But I think all franchises are doing quite well, really well. And as I said, it's been going for quite some time.
And it's coming from someone from inside the industry. We used to look at it as like, oh, really? But we're actually starting to enjoy it as well people that actually are in the industry they're starting to watch it as well it started off with like we don't really want the industry was like frowning upon it like why have them understand this but now it's uh there's a lot of good points that are coming out of it which i think we need to work on like captain sandy a female captain who's actually She really done a lot for a lot of charities that she works for.
And she's probably allowed a lot of females to come up into the industry. They get a lot of female deck stewardesses on board.
So it actually just gives a lot of women understanding that they can actually be working outside as well. It's not just a stewardessing job, waitress job.
You can actually be part of the system where you can get certifications for it. So there's a hell of a lot of good points in it.
Why 30 people? Is 30 people for that type of size boat a normal size crew? You've got the crew. Okay, so the crew is who? The captain? Yeah, captain.
Captain first, mate engineer. And then you'll have three stewardesses and three deckhands, you know.
So you've got six. You've got 10 11, 12, 13 crew, depending on the size.
Then you'll have 12 guests. Then we'll have four producers at one time and then you'll have probably five sound and five camera people.
Okay, no, no, no, not the TV people, just in general. In general, let's just say there's 12 plus 10, so 22 would be usual.
And because you're also enclosed in such a small environment, there must be a lot of drama and relationships that actually form. You said earlier that the mom of your daughter was the chef? No, she was a chef, not my chef on the boat.
She was a chef. But was she a chef for another boat? Yeah.
But you guys never met on a boat together? No, no. That was just a coincidence, we just met through friends.
Oh, because you're friends with a lot of the same people who are crew. Yeah.
But I know where you're going from and going to, and definitely, it's a close environment. So it's a very, you've got different nationalities.
Yeah. You've got different personalities, you know.
Yeah. And these are things that, look, when you go to work in a nine- nine to five job, you know, you might not like Tom who you're sitting next to or Sarah, you know, but you get to go home and you actually just get the clock off and bitch to your partner going, Tom's, I can't stand Tom, but I'll go back to work tomorrow.
Whereas in our industry, we have to be with them 24 seven. So the only way to combat that is actually respect someone's uniqueness or different personality and understand that and get to know them.
We all know people from different countries behave differently. They have different aspects or different views on life or things.
Some can be very pig-headed or misogynist or rude in their tone, but they're probably not. Some people are really, really beautiful people, but just they come across very, very harsh.
So give that a moment. Understand where they come from.
Learn their nationality. Learn their personality.
Learn their behaviors. And not everyone has to be how you think they should be.
And that's a big lesson that crew have to learn, especially when you're living with them 24-7. Right.
That's crazy. I mean, that's a small quarters to be with.
Have you ever had any relationships with people in your crew ever? Me personally? Yeah. I've been doing it for 25 years, of course.
Of course, yeah. Yes.
On Bravo? No, not on Bravo. No, no.
I've had really strong relationships before too. Some that, some that I've actually, you know, thought that might have been the one.
Right. You know, I don't live up in a suburb with a cul-de-sac, you know, with a white picket fence.
Right, right. And have barbecues every Saturday.
You know, my friends are my crew that I've worked with over two and a half decades. Wow, yeah.
You know, like my best friends are, you know, yeah, my best friends are crew that I've actually worked with and had a great relationship and then um still keep in touch now and male or female so what is the cat like what's your day-to-day look like give me a break it down like walk me through what a day in the life of a captain would be well obviously everything's based around the itinerary that you've already set before right so you're obviously looking at the. You've got the provisions.
You've got the supply. You've got the maintenance of the vessel.
You've got the crew, how are they going? Then you've also got the admin. You've got the accounting.
You've got the reporting to the management. You've got reporting to the owner.
And then you're fulfilling the itinerary and the cruising and the going through the grounds and the activities through the day. And then that's all starting again.
And then you're also foreseeing what's happening in about four months time when you finish that season, going into a shipyard repair maintenance time where you've probably got six weeks to turn the boat over, spend a million or two and then get back out. And then all that is with crew vacations, crew leave, terminations, contractual stuff for that, employment, HR, uniform sizes, and then you've got the crew drama, which has happened.
So that would be a day of the life. What time do you guys wake up? For a Bravo show, when you're filming for Bravo.
When I'm filming, that's real life. Filming, we're the same.
The only thing different about all that is I'm not foreseeing.

I'm not, you know, it's all set.

That's what we're doing.

So walk up to the boat and just focus on that.

Every day a captain, you know, he might go to sleep, you know,

after guests have gone down or dinner and he'll be up early getting into it.

And we have set hours of rest that the crew have to have.

Otherwise, if they go outside that, it's past their legal requirements. They have to have a certain amount of rest in certain blocks for safety.
But that does get broken every now and again because we want to try and get things done. Right, right, right.
How do you guys have, like, because, you know, you're out in the outdoors, but how do you maintain, like, a healthy life? Like you you obviously said that you really care about before even off camera like longevity and health and wellness and we're going to get into your whole story is it hard to take care of your health when you're like confined to like a boat underneath and you have to do a certain structured schedule like you it just like there's not much time to kind of like even have like if you have like downtime are you stuck going to your room or like are you allowed to like wander around the boat like what happens crew usually get a designated area yeah where they can actually do some stuff and a good owner or a good management system would understand that respect that and really good owners want their crew to have um a healthy lifestyle and i always promote that the the crew can always jump in the water with the guests as well they can get on the paddleboards with the guests you know because it's actually oh they can well to me it looks like the well one they're actually getting getting some refreshing activity two they're actually acting as a safety with the guests that's true yeah they're another set of eyes so it's actually access to purposes but I think society changed a lot too. I think if you go 20 years ago, the crew would work, work, work, go to the bar, get drunk, have a great time.
Right. It's different now.
I think we're a lot more conscious now. I see crew getting up early for the sunrise, meditating, journaling, doing yoga, being there fit.
You can see it in society that men, young men are trying to be a lot fitter than they were 20 years ago. Totally.
It's become super trendy now to be healthy. Yoga, meditating.
Yeah, look, breath works is a big thing. I think crew are taking the more healthy approach to understanding that you can't keep working in these environments without a healthy body.
And obviously healthy body, then healthy mind really. Like what are your habits? What do you do every day? Wake up every morning, stretch for about half an hour.
What time do you wake up typically? Five-ish, six, yeah, 5.30, six. That's fair.
Are you stretched for half an hour? If I'm with my daughter, I'm up at four because I go to bed at eight. So I stretch, I go for a walk.
If I'm not on land, if I'm on land, I go for a walk. I'll do my breath works.
I just do my, I usually do that when I'm in bed. I'll put on Wim Hof and do that 11 minute, three, three rounds.
He was on here too. Oh, really? Yeah.
I like Wim Hof. He's very nice.
And then, um, and then I'll do some, some fire breathing. Yeah.
And, and then I'll just do some more stretching. I just do band exercises.
Um, I used to play professional rugby league when I was young, so I've got a few injuries. Oh.
So I find that if I start getting into the gym, it's just too much. Really? Yeah.
The gym's too much. Lifting weights is too much for me.
I find getting into band exercises being more helpful and good for the core. It is.
So wait, because you earlier too, like your daughter lives in Bali, now you live in Bali, but like you said you didn't see her for a year. Yeah, a year and a half.
Is it because your schedule with the – I was with COVID. I was stuck in Australia on a boat.
I couldn't leave, so. But normally that's not the case.
Well, normally if a yacht captain, very rarely there is rotational jobs, two months two months on two months off but they're very hard to find um sometimes captain could be away at sea for 10 months so so how do you have like a regular how do you have a life with like anybody very difficult very difficult that's why my friends are friends on that i 100 percent yeah so we don't have a normal life and you take two months off a month off captain, you're still on the laptop, you're still on the phone. And there's so many jobs waiting for captains as well.
If you don't say yes to the conditions, someone else will take it. So every time you're on holiday, you're threatened whether you're going to keep your job or not.
There's a mindset with yacht owners that they're just always there. They're always part of the boat, whereas, no, you can't have any time off.
There's a lot of marital breakups in this industry. Also, has anyone have a relationship or have kids? Very different.
Like I find the same relationship breakups in the mining, in the offshore stuff where you do a lot of one month on, one month off. Yeah.
Yeah. Because there's a like there's no consistency in time in terms of spending time well what i see is it's the same pattern is the um you know the the mother let's just say the mother is at home with the children and the father's working away for a month or two and then he comes home he walks into the household he thinks he's back right well wait up this has been my nest for two months without you exactly you know don't just don't just come in here just so you always see like a week of teething into slowly walking into the relationship right with arguments when you come back um and then they finally get settled and then you feel then the wife or the mother feels like about two weeks before they're departing like starts to get that get that anxiety.
Like, and he starts to get that anxiety.

So, you know, the whole two months off is actually a good portion of that

is broken up with, you know, unrest.

A hundred percent.

Well, there's no rhythm.

No, there's no rhythm.

There's no rhythm.

Like, it's constantly, like, upheaval and, like, you know, growing apart.

And then you come back and it's like they already went on with their lives

a little bit.

And then you're kind of – so how do you – even with a kid, kid like you what i think is amazing and i noticed this yesterday when we met is like any moment you can mention your daughter you do like you love your child so much which is like beautiful i love that it must be really hard to be away from her like that much so when when this season we i put everything into a building that place in the Philippines. A nice little five-star resort.
Her mother really did a great job building it. Even though we weren't together, we said, okay, you build it, we'll be 50-50.
It just gave me, it's what I've always wanted was my daughter to grow up with a unique environment. So she grew up as this white blonde girl that speaks fluent Tagalog,ina.
She actually thinks she's Filipino. She's got that empathy.
She just wants to give to other people, make sure everyone's looked after, which is just that true. It's a caretaker of vitality.
That real true Filipino care. She grew up in a very remote location and we've given her that.
And now they've moved to Bali now for a better education. And yeah, look, I'm proud that we've given that point.
But when Below Deck happened and COVID happened, post-COVID, I was like, I don't care what happens. The next two years, I'm not going to work.
I don't care if I spend all my money. I'm going to stay with my daughter.
And I've done that probably 80% of the time. So if this goes nowhere, it goes nowhere, I'll just go back onto a boat.
Right, right. But now I'm actually trying to pick things up, see how much I can actually really make the most out of this year.
My two years is up. Yeah.
So now I'm actually trying to get back. Your two years is up? Two years that I set out for her.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know when it's up? When I didn't see her from six to eight, now she's 8 to 10.
Yeah. And I gave her a kiss goodnight because she sleeps with me.
We've just got a one-bedroom villa in Bali. She sleeps with her mother who's got a one-bedroom.
And I gave her a kiss goodnight. She said, Papa, I need to talk to you about something.
I said, what? She said, boundaries. I went, what boundaries? She goes, I don't think you can give me a kiss goodnight.
I'm like, what? Not on the lips. I went, okay, but can I hug you? She goes, you can hug me goodnight, but no more kissing goodnight.
I went, really? Oh, my God. So I rolled over and about two minutes later she reached over and hugged me and gave me a kiss.
So I'm actually understanding that it's that time that, you know, I know she's only 10, but I know that she's becoming. More of a girl.
I know what you're talking about. She won't let me see her with her top off anymore.
She's got to have a top underneath her top, you know. Right, she's got a baby.
She is. I don't trust me.
I'm going through the same thing. My little one turns 10 in five weeks, and I know it's like a progress.
Like they just like a baby or they still are your baby right yeah but like there's different rules and boundaries i'm getting the same conversation so yeah i know that that's the hint of like okay well i've i i can spread my wings yeah yeah yeah like it's it's fine i i've given her a good two years i'll give her all my life that's for sure my whole life's about her but i know that I can. She's like, fine, we've got FaceTime.
I'm like. Is that what she says? Yeah, whereas, you know, she misses, she rings me every day, but she's like, it's fine, as long as we can talk on FaceTime, it's fine.
You know, but then she's like, come home, you know, and I need to see her. So I flew home.
I had Christmas with my parents. My parents were not too well this year.
So I had Christmas with them and I flew home straight away to see her for a week, you know, as soon as I had a good hunk of time with my parents. So where do you actually live? Bali, I've got a home in Bali, but Philippines, we have the resort.
So I'm actually been a little bit nomadic my entire life, but this year I'm trying to find some stability and actually look towards the place to put some anchors down. Roots.
Do you think you would ever live in the US? She's in love with the LA. She's in love with LA.
I brought her here last year and she's like, oh, yeah. Really? Why don't you live here, Papa, and I'll just come here and visit? I'm like, maybe.
So you might move here? Look, I don't want to even put any anxiety or thought into it to have any anxiety.

I've got to get some stuff done this year.

I've got a good first half.

I've got a very busy first half of the year.

And then once that's done, then I'll actually put more thought into it then.

Wait, so how long did you say when you shoot for the show?

How long did you say it is?

It's six weeks.

But then we do about six months of editing.

Right. Not editing the show, but just things we didn't pick up or voiceovers that we didn't do.
So I'll fly back to here once a month for about six months, probably six times just to tidy up things that maybe after each charter, we get into a green room and talk about that charter. Maybe my enthusiasm wasn't there.
I was tired or something. Or maybe I just need to be a bit more upbeat about this.
Or can you be a little bit more firmer about that termination you did? Right. And so they do give you guidance in terms of how you should.
No, this is much later. Oh.
So after the season's done, they kind of give you feedback on what you can do next time. No.
we'll fly. When they're editing and they're putting it together, our voiceovers or our interpretation of that moment may not have been that conducive to what happened.
So they might just ask us, can you say that again? But with a bit more enthusiasm. And then that's the clip.
It's called pickups. It's part of the editing.
No, I i know i used to have it for you i had this i didn't i wasn't i didn't love it i had a weight loss show and they had but they had a bug in my ear like we don't like one of those things yeah and they'd be like go up to so and so and tell them this or that it felt very contrived they don't do that on your show no oh god you're lucky yeah no we've i'm the captain of the boat there. I'm the captain of the boat.
There's no way I'd run a boat. Good.
Okay. I know you kind of said that, but I didn't – like sometimes it is Bravo.
I mean, it's not like it's – like they're known for their very dramatic reality shows. So it just happens anyway.
This is good. This adds another – this is the thumb of the hand of theirs i suppose you know whereas the all the other stuff is very dramatic and and and reality and and it's got their their audience we give the bravo audience another aspect of reality but doing a real job right and it's good that they it's just another genre really within a genre yeah yeah yeah what.
Yeah. What, how many years are you contractually like doing this gig? Uh, season after season.
So, you know, we just hope that the ratings are popping up and now we get another one. Right.
So you don't know, like next year you may not be on. Yeah.
So if this season does lousy, you're screwed basically. That's yeah.
And would you like, do you like doing TV? Like, would you want want to do more of that stuff i honestly have met so many friends through the production and the people at the back yeah they're very similar to ourselves they're working away from home yeah they're putting so many hours in they're trying to create something for someone else probably don't know when the next job's coming very much like i'd speak about they're all passionate about what they do and they're working hard and trying to, honestly, to be quite honest, you could actually have cameras filming them and that could be a show as well. Oh my God, it's probably the best show.
Yeah. It's probably the best drama show ever.
I agree. How did you even become a captain though? Did you love the water or did you love boats as a kid? What was your evolution to be like, you know what, I want to become a captain of big boats? Well, in a short, I'll keep it short.
I did a mechanics apprenticeship. I became a mechanic.
I got drafted to play professional rugby league. I was a good rugby league player back in the day.
Oh, wow. I then did an apprenticeship as a plumber.
Then I chose not to play football, but just rugby league play back in the day um oh wow i then did an apprenticeship as a plumber then i chose not to play football but just uh rugby league i i just chose to play chose to get married actually that's the first no one knows that i got married when i was very young how old were you i was 20 and yeah so i married my high school girlfriend and then at 25 who we're still in touch with now i was like well what are we doing like yeah so i actually gave up professional football to be with her. But then I traveled.
I went a year around South America, then backpacked by myself and then hitchhiked around Middle East from Istanbul down to Cairo. You hitchhiked? Yeah, and around South America as well.
And then a friend of mine who I met in England got a job on a boat in Newport, Rhode Island. So I went back to Australia.
I came to visit him and I just walked onto a boat. To do what? Just to help.
And the crew came back and the engineer said, this guy knows what he's doing. Let's take him to Miami to the shipyard.
So they took me down there and I started work. And they said, let's just do a season with him.
So I did that. Long story short back to australia for a year of football then came back and um got a job as an engineer on a boat went up to newport uh new new york saw the world trade centers come down went back the boat didn't sell it was owned by the boat didn't sail the boat sorry the boat didn't sell it was up for sale oh sell and the accent i'm trying to that's why i keep on missing no i like it it's just like i'm listening very intently we came back down in new york and after the season the boat was up for sale.
Oh, sell. The accent.
That's why I keep on missing. No, I like it.
It's just like I'm listening very intently. We came back down to New York and after the season, the boat was for sale and it didn't sell.
No one was buying it. And it was 110 foot boat.
And the owners said, well, we'll take it to the Mediterranean. And I was the only one looking after it by myself because it was for sale.
And they said, we want you to drive it. And I said, I don't know how to drive.
they said learn so that was it I was 28 years old off to the Mediterranean never been in the Mediterranean never driven a boat before and um I just uh we took off and winged it you just winged it winged it and then ever since then you're a captain ever since then I've been winging it seriously what is like the protocol like how does anyone become a captain is there like a school I had to do a certificate. I had sea time enough to actually do the certificate.
So I had to pass the certificate to do that, but it just fell short under a grade, which was great for me, easy to be able to get the certificate. So then I took off, I surrounded myself with good people.
And actually for about five, 10 years, I really just learned on the run. And then eventually I end up driving one of the biggest boats.
What was the boat? It was, what is it?

300. 10 years, I really just learned on the run.
And then eventually I ended up driving one of the biggest boats. What was the boat? It was, what is it? 300 foot and helicopters, everything.
And we had 28 crew. It was a huge boat.
So I actually got to the point and I thought, no, I'm too detached from the crew. I don't really like, I could stay up in the wheelhouse and never see a crew member for a week if I wanted to.
I had a lounge up there. I had a kitchen, a galley, everything.
So I thought, no, it's not me. I want more adventure, even though I could have retired on that job.
How much is the pay in a boat like that? Anywhere between $15,000 to $20,000 a month. To be a captain of a 300-foot boat.
Yeah, well, it goes up to $30,000. Really? Anywhere from $15,000 to $30,000 a month.
And then you get your tips and all that stuff or if you're a charter boat yeah yeah so but i go i want i could have retired on that job but i it wasn't me and i came back and bought land in philippines and felt more i actually learned more driving around these remote areas and got more out of it and that's kind of where a lot of where i am now that's why i'm working with these charities that I work with I know tell me about that charity I love that like the classroom of home yeah what is that we um I've been looking for a plastic waste solution in Philippines building our place we get a lot of rubbish washing up and I've been thinking we used to grind our plastic up and put it into our foundations just to get rid of it right so yeah I yeah, I've been looking at blocks and everything. And I came across this foundation in Indonesia that use all fully recycled, you make these blocks out of all recycled plastic waste.
24,000 tons of plastic waste a day wash up onto Indonesian rivers. And they have a big factory.
They turn them into these Lego blocks and they build schools out of it in 2018 400 schools got knocked down by earthquakes this foundation that was there went in there to help because they're an education foundation after that they said well we keep if we keep rebuilding these schools they're just going to knock down again because there's earthquakes all the time so then they found this solution so they've rebuilt a hundred schools out of this solution. I loved it.
I went and visited them. They don't even just, it's not just about the schools, about the education.
They're working with each community and the chiefs to understand how they can help. Like the females there, in their religion, if you run off with a boy, you have to get married.
If you have a night with the boy, you have to get married. But the father of the boy is not going to let you marry unless she can get pregnant.
So you need to get pregnant before you can get married. And then you can get divorced too.
So they're trying to teach these communities that there's a better way with education. You don't have to fall back on that.
We can actually have a better solution. So they've actually got so many aspects of this foundation that are helping the community.
But on top of that, they're building these schools, rebuilding these schools out of a plastic waste recycle material. And I'm a PADI Dive Ambassador for PADI, the diving certificate.
For what? PADI is the dive certificate that you get your diving courses through. Okay.
So I'm the PADI Dive Ambassador. So ocean conservation is a big thing for me.
I just got my daughter certified. So we went on, I said, how can I help to this foundation? They said, would love to have you on board.
So they gave me a school for 171 children, no bathrooms. The girls, every time they have their monthly, have to go home for a week because there's no dignity there.
Really? There's no bathroom. So that was the school I got given last year and I put it up, I threw it out there.
Sheena of Vanderpump Rules threw $5,000 and got it started. And in four months we raised $100,000 and I built the school and I took my daughter to open it and cut the ribbon.
And last month we went to Melbourne, Australia for a gala. We had to raise $60,000 more.
I spoke at the gala.. We raised 140,000.
It's a great foundation and it's fantastic. And my daughter's part of being there with it too, which is a good thing for her.
Last month I took her up into the mountains of Bali. There's another foundation, Bali for rice with all the construction that's going on in Bali.
Bali for what? Bali for rice. Rice? Rice as in as in as eating rice okay and um all the rice fields are getting taken for construction with all these foreigners buildings so there's a lot of elderly and just and you know and disabled people and special needs people that are actually um not getting fed so these foundations supply rice every week to these families and that's a great organization and um there's plenty them there's plenty of foreigners in in bali that are given back but look philippines is my heart and i'd love to take some stuff to philippines in the future but at the moment i'm in bali um and it's something that i feel passionate about and i don't know what to do on my social media i'm not very good at it um so do your own social media i do my own social media everyone's, you got to get more in front of the camera.
And I'm like, okay, but I don't know what, but this is easy. It's something I'm passionate about, aligns to the ocean conservation.
I've got a child, education is a big thing. I think my daughter's very lucky that she's growing up in a unique environment, you know, and she didn't want to hold the camera for me the other day when we're giving out the rice.
And I said to her- She did and i said to her later i said why didn't you want to do that saskia and she said um i was embarrassed i said i know why you're embarrassed and she said tell me i said because you've got more than them you've and she said you're right i was like that in the philippines you know to bring the people to our house because we had a bigger house and i was like sas this is just learning and i'm glad you've got that feeling because that's empathy and that's not a bad thing. And don't be shy of that.
You can be embarrassed and you can actually have empathy as well. But just know why you've got it.
And it's because you have appreciation of what you have. What a beautiful lesson that you just taught your child.
That's all we have to do. A little bit.
We don't have to ask for much. I think it's...
So she has gratitude, like, just from having that environment. What's amazing to me is just the difference in terms of just where you raised your child, how they grow up, like, in terms of their, like, mentality, their needs, their desires.
Like, because she never stepped foot here in America, right? She doesn't know from, from all this. She doesn't know from the fact that every kid here is stuck on their, on their phone and they won't play outside or they don't do playdates or they are on social media.
Like they're not doing that back there. No.
Okay. She loves her iPad now when she can get it.
She doesn't get it. She doesn't get it with a mom, but she gets it with me.
How much do you give her the iPad? Look, she gets, I would say a couple of hours a week. Oh, okay.
Yeah. But you regulate it and you monitor it.
I'm pretty bad with it. Mom's good with it.
Her mom you know, she. But two hours a week.
But she does crochet now. Like, and she makes, she does crocheting and stuff.
She does. Really? Yeah, she does.
She makes things. She's got her invisible friends.
She's got her other dolls and stuff that she makes things for. And she has a little word to it.
The other day she said, you can't sit there. I said, well, she goes, blah, blah, blah.
I can't remember. Big dog or that away from him like that's great no they should that's an imagination and and keep that imagination you know like allow it a hundred percent we had it we'd be fine you know entrepreneurs get have it we we do have i mean entrepreneurs do have it you have to have well that's because well i i mean this is how, like, I believe that we need to be bored sometimes.
And when we were kids, I was always bored. But that's where I believe, you know, boredom kind of breeds brilliance in a way, right? Because that's where creativity lives.
That's where you think of different things. Like, if you're not bored, and you're constantly distracted all the time, you're never going to get those light bulb, like moments of genius.
Yeah. Where you can actually visualize and imagine where the end is.
Well, 100%. And not actually look at the obstacles in between.
Exactly. So then if you're doing this stuff, like with the show, six weeks on, whatever, and then you do your pickups, how do you spend the rest of your time? It's a good question.
It's been a very, very low, low period where I've actually moved in, probably into a bit

of a cave as well, because I know when I'm out, I'm out. When I've got these things, you know, so health is a big thing.
I've just had a huge end of the year with my father with Alzheimer's. And how old is your father? They're turning 80 next year.
So I just, mom had a heart attack. Dad had Alzheimer's.
I flew back to help. My best mate passed away in a horrific accident.
I had the melanoma. I had a diagnosis of melanoma.
I had a lot going on. And I think that's nothing but going to propel me into where I really wanted to go anyway.
I've always tipped around my yoga, my health, everything like that.

But I want to move right into, I'm not going to say peak.

I want to see how far things my body can be.

I want to know more about mind, cognitive behavior, preventative reversing Alzheimer's

a little bit, know about the foods that we can take, because I want to know more about it because of my dad. Of course.
Did they actually diagnose him with Alzheimer's? Yeah. How did they know? Did they do an MRI and scan his brain? Yeah, they did the whole lot.
We always had, for the last six, seven months, we could see changes. And then when mom had a heart attack, a triple bypass, and he was by himself, it just came on like a ton of bricks.
And it's really there now. It's prevalent.
And now he's on medication to take that back. But I've been listening to a lot of podcasts.
So I'm actually just trying to teach myself now. But I want to see what I can do too.
And I know that I've got a good journey ahead because of everything that just happened at the end of last year. So I'm thinking, wait up.
So I'm doing manifesting and mindful coaching. I want to do some journaling of where I can go and follow the journey, see where I am now.
Start selling some stuff online that, you know, to try and make a passive income so I can actually try and use something from this. With Alzheimer's coming on with dad, I feel like I've got the opportunity to learn more about that.
And I am doing mindful and manifesting coaching as well, which is good. I'm starting to do the therapy that my mate suggested when he passed, before he passed away.
So you're doing, do you have a coach or you're a coach? Yeah. I've got a coach now.
I've done two sessions with her. I get a lot out of it too.
She asked me the other day, what are the things I want to get out of it? And I said, I want discipline. I want continuity and accountability and execution.
And she said, explain that. I said, well, I've always been that person to go with the flow.
So I want to be more disciplined to actually set my targets and actually do it. Like, yeah, go and see that person or go and do that.
Like, don't just brush it off and go with, if it happens, it happens. Continuity is actually continuing and doing that.
And accountability to me is not just of the things that are going wrong, but be accountable and appreciative of things that you are doing right. So when people, probably not the sexy stuff that's going on, but when people say, oh, you did a good job or you did that, I'm say thank you you know i appreciate that yeah i'm gonna take that on but write that down as well and and be be grateful every every every day and and and say that to myself every day as well and then execution is to get uh get all of those things going and um so this is so it's funny the podcast is called habits and hustle For a reason, right? Because it's basically the habits and hustle of the most successful people and the best experts and how they got from place A to point A to point B.
So we talk a lot on this podcast. Well, I'm in A now.
I'm in place A. Well, next time you'll be here, you'll be at place B and then C.
But what I talk about, my entire platform is really based around discipline. You rely on discipline.
You don't rely on motivation because motivation wanes. So does willpower to muscle.
It doesn't last. So discipline is how you get from A to B.
And being consistent is not about talent. It's really about being consistent day to day.
It's not the most intense, but it's the most often. And it's also the most boring stuff, right? Like doing the same things day in, day out gives you that mindset of being accountable to yourself.
Well, that's where habits are formed is through subconscious.

And that's about you actually doing, you know, you do it.

It's action based. You, you know, if I, if I pick up that phone every day,

if I pick up that phone every day,

if I pick up that phone every day at nine o'clock eventually next minute,

I'm just doing it without even nine o'clock coming.

And that's what it, that's what it for.

I just use that analogy because there's a phone there, but you know what I mean? Like it's routine, right? But it's body movement. It's body movement.
I think, you know, it's not just mental. It's not just saying it.
It's actually doing. No, it's definitely not just saying it.
You've got to move your body into that habit. But you have to make habits.
Like that's why, you know, people laugh at me because I'm very regimented. But if you're not, if you're not to a certain degree regimented things don't get done right like if you have goals you have to have some type of of plan and you've got to execute on that plan or things will just like you know maybe it can happen maybe it won't right but with your lifestyle you have a very very like it's an all-over-the-place lifestyle right like you're on a boat then you're not on a boat.
It's like you may have work, you may not have work. Very hard.
The habits fall off. It's very difficult.
It's very hard to actually have that, even traveling with the stuff that I like to eat. You know, I found that this year my body went down a little bit in health because I was such on the move.
I was on the move for three months. But usually when I'm in that little mode, I've got my things I do every day.
I eat my turmeric, my ginger, my onion, my garlic, all that. Take my Brazil nuts and stuff like that.
If I'm doing all that, I'll take my creatine every day. Oh, I have creatine for you.
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I always leave a bit in there to get the bottom really because you shake it enough probably not yeah i shake i've got to shake it and then now you're going to be super focused for someone else's podcast well i have not had one of these for about a year and when i did have one it changed me and i would love to um sponsored by magic i will i will definitely set you up with them because this is a great company also creatine have you tried this i love the momentous creatine it'd be it'd be perfect for you because they do these travels now i'm going to show you they're like you can take it with you and you can just they're they're in individual packs do you do creatine, I did some today. Good.
So these are the things.

These are habits that you can get into that are healthy.

Totally.

But traveling is a big thing.

What do I travel?

How can I travel around with the less things?

Well, that's what I'm saying.

These little travel packs.

Do you do any kind of other wellness modalities?

Do you do red light?

Do you do the sauna?

Do you do all those things?

I ice bath a couple of times a week.

Easy. Red light sauna for sure.
You mean the sauna? Do you do all those things? I ice bath a couple of times a week, easy. Red light sauna, for sure.
Okay. You mean infrared sauna or? Yeah.
Okay. So I'd love to do red light therapy.
I've been looking into it. You've never tried it before? No.
I understand the concept of it, for sure. From a light frequency point of view, I've read about it or understand it that ailments in your body are broken up through your light frequency.
The red light actually brings it back together um and i i'm i'm across all that i well not across it but i i definitely um believe all that i'm gonna give you something that's not a belief it's a it's a fact well it's i'm gonna i'm gonna you're gonna leave here today with like so many like wellness gifts because i love this thing it's called the tri-light red light it's a it's a red light by this company called Therisage, who has, in my opinion, the best red light. But I travel with it.
And it's like a panel. And then you can put it wherever.
So you can put it on your leg. You can put it on your face.
I just had a rotator cuff injury for last month. OK, so that's perfect for it.
It's good now. And I actually think I did the NAD IV 500 milligrams.
And then I did another one a week after that. And it did improve it a hell of a lot.
You felt a difference? Well, actually, when it was going in, I actually felt that was the pain straight away. So they say it goes straight to where you need it.
To wherever you need it. Did you get nauseous with the...
No, I cranked it right up. It was fine.
How long did it take? I reckon 45 minutes. Yeah.
I mean, like, that's actually a lot. Well, if it takes, like, if you, you know, if you do it really, really fast, I get so nauseous on those things.
I could, you know, feel it. It was just, yeah, it felt like I did a couple of shots of tequila.
Right. I mean, I think tequilas would be better than the shot.
But are you a drinker then? Because you are from... I do.
Look, to be quite honest, in this industry that I'm in, obviously, I loved it. But now I do big moments of no.
No alcohol. No alcohol.
And big moments of, not big moments, but moments of yes. Look, I love a steak and a glass of red wine.
I love going out once in a while. But I must admit, I'm a bit more, as I said, introverted these days.
I don't go out too much. If I'm in Bali, I'm introverted these days i don't go out too much if i'm in bali i'm with my daughter i don't go out um so if i am traveling you know look i don't want to be drinking at events anymore like i want to be focused so that's my rule but if i'm with friends and stuff and there's something on and i feel comfortable in a good position um i will but i i actually have a you know the anxiety you know in the day after yeah yeah i don't drink so I would it's just it's just not me it's just not me I don't like waking up in an environment if I'm in a safe environment I'll do it right so yeah because I think drinking in my opinion is like the number one most terrible thing you can do for your body totally agree I've had last year I went from November till May, nothing.
Look, we were talking about this today in the car. Like the focus you get after three months is just insane.
It's so worth it. But, you know, I just love sitting with a nice big steak and a glass of red as well.
I know. Well, I like steak.
Steak's good. Like that's protein.
Yeah, totally. That's all I'll eat.
Can you have it with something else, like a carbonated water? I'll try. Is that the same? I know.
Well, I know, but I've been looking at Neutropics. There's a company in Australia I was going to talk to.
They do a gin and tonic. They do an Aperol spritz, and it's all alcohol-free, sugar-free.
And I'd love to work with a company like that. There's another one in New Zealand called Apera.
Yeah, what do do what do they do they do a black current it's nootropics no nootropics is usually like a brain supplement yeah of some kind well it's a yeah it's a but what is this exactly these are drinks these are drinks that actually support cognitive behavior like which is just made out of oh okay but it's not like is there alcohol or no no no alcohol yeah so but they taste that doesn't sound they taste like alcohol it's a gin and tonic it's an april spritz But it's not – is there alcohol or no alcohol? No, no alcohol. Oh, no alcohol.
Yeah. But they taste – That doesn't sound – They taste like alcohol.
It's a gin and tonic. It's an Aperol spritz and it's a Moscow mule, but it's no alcohol, no sugar.
And, you know, there's – So it mimics the drink in terms of taste. It mimics the drinks, but it's used in nootropics, plant-based.
Interesting. Yeah.
So there's a few of them coming out now. There's so much of this stuff.
I mean, it's so overwhelming. This is now like this is my life.
And every day I'm like noticing, I'm getting, I'm talking. I mean, it's like there's so much of all of this.
Well, this is why I've brought out a fragrance this year. I've got a fragrance I'm bringing out because I usually do essential oils.
So I have a fragrance launching in March. You do? Yeah.
Do you want to pass me the fragrance? Oh, so you are doing a lot of side hustles.

I am starting now.

So, yeah.

Well, I usually do. The problem needs to pay you more, apparently.

I usually do a lot of essential oils spray, face mist on crew

and on the sound.

Oh, okay.

Let me see this.

And on the sound and production team.

So in Bali, I started doing this.

I started learning about fragrances.

So it's a gender-neutral fragrance, and that's coming out in March.

Now I didn't want to promote alcohol everyone does promote spritzes and everything so this was something that I thought was totally different it's along what I like I always have my essential oils and I thought well I'll do a fragrance and it's it's I sat down for about two or three months it's taken about eight months to come uh it's for about two or three months. It's taken about eight months to come.

It's for about two or three months to develop the scent.

And it's actually kind of me on a boat, the sand, waterfalls.

It's got some earthy tones and it's definitely got some nature there. And it's long lasting and it's actually done by some beautiful people that have actually got some great hearts.

Wow.

Where are you going to sell it?

It'll be on my website, which is coming out soon, which is Captain's Lounge. Captain's.
Captain'slounge.life, which will be on my Instagram, and that'll be dropping in February. Have you not promoted this at all yet? No.
Okay, so are you going to have someone to try to get it into the department stores? Eventually, yeah. I'll work on it.
Who actually, do you have a, like, making it does someone come to you and say hey no it's just me it's all you it's just me who paid for all the manufacturing me yeah really do you have an agent no you don't have an agent or anything so it's just basically like you going out there and like making your own deals yeah wow do you think maybe you should get an or? Don't know. Really? I'm a boat captain.
I'm going to give you some business 101. You can do.
You're on a big reality show. This is my little like, you're on a major, major reality show on Bravo.
The women obviously really like you according to Bravo. Why would you not get an agent to find you some like endorsement deals and some speaking gigs? Let's go.
I mean, I think that would be the next evolution of your career. Maybe that's part of one is discipline.
Probably a little bit more confidence and less insecurities. I could probably do that.
I don't know. I'm a fish out of water in all this.
You are. You're just like a captain of a boat and this whole thing just happened.
Yeah, I can drive a boat with 30 people and crew and do all that there and make decisions and make on the spot, you know, emergency decisions and stuff and look after your life and take it for the best ride of your life. Right.
But when it comes to open up that laptop and looking behind the screens of that social media, I've got no idea. So wait a minute.
So no agent has reached out to you? No manager has reached out to you? I had a manager for a while. Not much came through.
I had a good deal with InvisiLine. Yeah, that's a good one.
Yeah, I had a good deal with Johnson & Johnson with AcuV. Yeah.
So they've been good. They're the things that have got me through.
But when it comes to doing the stuff for myself, I've never – But those are big ones, like Johnson & Johnson, like InvisiLine. Those pay like a lot of money.
Yeah, it was good. So if you had an agent or somebody to like go up there and like pitch you more regularly or at an agency, you'd be getting things like that all the time.
Let's go. But I have this philosophy and I actually think I'm sticking to it pretty good.
I do not want to be selling things everywhere all the time. No, you do want to i want to be true to what is for me and what i stand for so when i do try to voice something like that now there'll be a portion of every sale of anything i ever do that'll go back to a project of course it would because you're a nice guy well which that's that's where i'll get the love out of it you know that's amazing you know i have an idea for you you idea for you.
You know what you'd be, you do great at, I think, because of who would watch it. Like if you were to do like some kind of like partnership with like a QVC or an HSN, because the people who watch QVC and HSN, there's like the shopping networks are the same people who are watching reality TV.
They love reality. You know, they love the Real Housewives.
I'm sure they love your show Below Deck. If you were to do some kind of partnership with them, they would be able to make this so you wouldn't have to pay for the manufacturing or any of that.
And then they could put you on the show and you would basically sell on their block of time. And the women would love to see you because they love you probably already.
Shirt on or shirt off? Sure. I think shirt off would probably do better.
But if you, maybe you could do like a tight tank top. It could, you could like meet in the middle or something.
You know what I mean? I gotcha. But to me, that would be like a great, a great money gig for you.
And that way, like right now you're, you're paying for the manufacturing of this, right? You're paying for all of this. Like, all that heavy lifting is coming from your pocket.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so, like, you would, like, this is what I, like, I think it's a no-brainer. There are people who I meet in LA who literally don't have even half of what you have.
They don't even have, like, they have, like, one season of some, you know, Bo Dung horrible reality show from some shitty network. And they're out there with their agents and their managers and their publicists trying to like hawk something.
You're actually like a really decent guy who's got a very nice way about you on a massive hit show three seasons in. And like, you're making your own perfume.
Are you kidding me right now? I'm just hiding away in Bali somewhere. I really, I need to get out there.
I need to be represented a bit better and probably learn a bit more, I suppose. So, you know, but meeting you has probably given me a little bit of, I'll take this on.
It's a little bit of discipline and maybe a little bit more advice would be great. I'm going to give you more.
I mean, listen, I'm like shocked at what I'm hearing. I mean, you know this, right? From your Bravo friend, Hayley? But they're not going to give us any-

No, they're not going to help you with that.

But if you were really touted like the sexiest man on Bravo or sexiest reality star, that headline itself, you can leverage that to so many different endorsement deals.

You can probably get a book deal.

I can make you millions of dollars by next year.

Let's go. Sign me up.
How are you not doing this? Sign me up. Sign me up.
I'll give you business advice later. Okay.
So guys, he's the nicest guy, Captain Jason. Thank you.
Watch season three of Below Deck, and you'll come back when you're at point B, right? Yeah, please do. I'll help you get from A to B.
That would be great. I'll help you in the middle.
So where do people find you? So promote where you can be found. My Instagram, Captain J Chambers.
And on there, my website is captainslounge.life, which is all on there. And also on there in links, you'll see the foundation as well.
And you'll see a lot of my grid on my Instagram is a link towards the foundations that we've been doing and the schools that we've been rebuilding as well.

So from there, you'll find us and we'll get a bit more active on the other social platforms as well.

But for now, Instagram is the go-to and Captain Jay Chambers.

And as I said, captainslounge.life.

Thank you so much, Jason.

It was so nice to have you.

I'm glad we met.

Me too.

Me too.

Thank you.

Okay, guys,

go watch his show and go follow him on Instagram. Bye-bye.