Episode 423: Jason Chambers: Below Deck's Captain on Navigating Fame, Fatherhood, and Luxury Yachts

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Speaker 2 Hello, everybody. We have a very special and different guest today on the podcast.
We have Captain Jason Chambers. He is the captain of the ship on Below Deck, which is a massive hit on Bravo.

Speaker 2 Most of you guys probably watch it. I think I'm probably like the only person who doesn't watch the show, right?

Speaker 2 Like I met just kind of like give you some like background, I met Jason yesterday in the green room at California Live. I was doing a segment on parenting and raising, you know, resilient children.

Speaker 2 And Jason was in the green room. And I figured, why not get him on my podcast? Even though in full transparency, I've never watched the show, but like I do know it is a very popular show.

Speaker 2 So anyway, thank you for being here. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 You're welcome. Well, I have a little 10-year-old daughter.
So your segment yesterday when we met was very poignant.

Speaker 2 Oh, I love that. So that's, yeah.
So basically, I was like doing the segment and then Jason pulls out his phone and showed me all these amazing, cute pictures of his daughter who loves to climb trees.

Speaker 2 And basically what we, I think we bonded on the fact that. tech like on the west or in the west you know western civilization the us

Speaker 2 people are just stuck on their phones and on social media and basically being bored or playing outside has become null and void.

Speaker 2 And so, when you said to me about your daughter, how she's like the antithesis, like living and growing up in Bali, which we'll get into, is completely different.

Speaker 2 There's no such thing as that type of lifestyle.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I met her mother in Spain. She's from Australia.
She was a chef on boats. And I always had a dream of building a place to replicate a super yacht on land.

Speaker 1 You know, we do hospitality, like a resort-style thing where we can actually provide some health and wellness but also give that um special five-star service is that what you do on the boat because you can tell me that's what we do on boat well that's what we we do on boats we have luxury luxury yachts where hospitality really i'm just a concierge really for for anyone's needs i drive a big boat around and and and provide uh you know wealthy people for um anything they want from this okay so i want to get i want to get all into what you do also with the charity with it with your daughter but let's start from the beginning okay so you're a captain on this boat and so were you how long were you a captain before you became a captain on this big show so i've been this is our third season coming out right which has been what about four years it's been done so i was a captain for about 20 20 or 20 years prior to that so i've been captain for 20 years and then this show's been going for four so wasn't there okay now i'm gonna sound you're gonna see how completely i'm gonna sound like a complete idiot i remember looking at watching commercials and there was a man who had like a beard, and he had a gray hair.

Speaker 2 He looked like he was like much older as the captain. Was that like a different show?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a bravo, I've gone off into a few other franchises,

Speaker 1 franchises. We have sailing, we have Mediterranean.
We did have adventure, and we have down under. So Captain Lee was the original.
Okay. And

Speaker 1 he's just hung the boots up a couple of years ago, actually. So we still have a few other captains.
Captain Sandy for the Mediterranean, great female captain.

Speaker 1 It's really, you know, setting a good example for females out there and striving in this industry.

Speaker 1 And Captain Glenn, who's sailing, and Captain Kerry, which is taken over from Captain Glenn.

Speaker 1 How many versions of the show is there? So there's been five.

Speaker 1 We're down to a couple now. But we did have a venture, but that didn't last too long.
But sailing's been a stable mark, which is a sailboat, 50 meters or 170 foot. And then

Speaker 1 Sandy, Captain Sandy, who's in the Mediterranean. And then we have one in the Caribbean and down under.

Speaker 1 So the guests get to see, it's kind of a bit of a fun travel, reality, real, unstructured program.

Speaker 2 Okay, but so it kind of is kind of like the real housewives, basically, right?

Speaker 1 Like, it was popular.

Speaker 2 Well, no, only because it was a popular show.

Speaker 2 And so then they did, you know, housewives of Beverly Hills, housewives of Orange County, housewives of New Jersey, and like, and on and on and on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's that, that... There's that aspect that the audience get to see a different location as well, like the Caribbean to the Mediterranean to down under.

Speaker 1 So it's not just about the dynamics of the crew trying to actually do a real job in a pressure cooker environment and see what actually unfolds.

Speaker 2 You're actually a real captain on the show. It's not just bullshit that you're just pretending.
You're not just playing a captain on TV.

Speaker 1 No, they don't script it. They don't tell us

Speaker 1 how to run the boat. If they did, a captain wouldn't be a captain.

Speaker 1 As a captain, I wouldn't allow that, you know, because there's so much safe, there's a lot of safety aspects behind it. So we have to hold that.
We have to be firm about that as captains.

Speaker 1 We're driving big boats. We've got a lot of people, we've got a lot of camera crew in the background as well.
So the safety always falls back onto us.

Speaker 1 Obviously, Bravo in the background have got their policies and procedures, which are pretty strong.

Speaker 1 But when it comes to the actual boat, starting the engine, getting it out there, and providing the guests their quality time that they pay for.

Speaker 2 They actually pay for it.

Speaker 1 You have to pay to get on. So just to sum it up, to make it easy, a boat our size would be anywhere from 300 to 500,000 a week to rent a charter.

Speaker 1 We actually, and you might do eight charters in a season from say May till September or from December to May and you eight charters is a pretty busy charter season and you might do a week have a rest week have a rest week and in between that the crew will let loose relax get set up for the next one and go again we actually do nine charters in six weeks Wow so we're doing nine charters in six weeks we're not doing eight charters in six months and not only that I turn up to the boat I don't know the boat never driven the boat.

Speaker 1 The crew turn up. I very rarely know

Speaker 1 80% of the crew. I might know a few return crew.
Then the food turns up and all the provisions turn up. And the next day, the guests turn up and it goes straight for six weeks.

Speaker 1 Not only that, after each charter, the crew go out, they relax, they celebrate their tips it just got.

Speaker 1 They have a little bit too much sometimes, or they hook up with someone, or a bit of romance comes, or a bit of argument, or a little bit of Argy Bargy, a bit of

Speaker 1 a bit of misogynism comes out, egos come out,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 it develops. And people say, well, that's not real.
Well, you know what? It's actually about two years of yachting shrunk into nine weeks.

Speaker 1 So it actually does happen, but we get to see it over a short period of time due to the environment that it's filmed in.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, I've got so many questions now. Okay, so you said so much stuff.
Okay, so doesn't Bravo just pick people to be on the boat?

Speaker 1 The casting actually picked the crew. The crew are experienced crew.
They actually apply for it, obviously.

Speaker 1 I don't get to pick them.

Speaker 2 So, right. So then like, so are, so these are all people who actually do this job legitimately.
They are experienced.

Speaker 1 They've got qualifications.

Speaker 2 And so it's not always the same crew, but it's always like, so, but you're the captain, which means you're always consistent on the show. But does the entire, so does your crew always change?

Speaker 1 Usually you have some fan favorites or people that have performed well will return. Okay.
And but that would only be about maybe maximum two. So there's eight crew every year.

Speaker 1 new crew so sorry there's about six new every year okay so then the people who are renting the boat they're actually paying yeah to be on the show with the people with the with the show yeah right rather than paying that 300 to 500 000 a week like a normal person they're only paying you know 70 to 80 000 for three days oh wow and then they have to tip on top of that as well so what kind of tips do you guys get we get big tips we average around about 20 000 per charter so um you know i'd say average that so 20,000.

Speaker 2 20,000?

Speaker 2 For charters, how long you said?

Speaker 1 Like for three days. So we do nine of them.
So we walk out with, say, 200,000 tip after nine weeks, and we split that between the 10 crew.

Speaker 2 Oh, you have to split everything. Everything goes into a pot.
Yep. Okay.

Speaker 2 And so are the, so the people that are, I guess, the guests of the boat, instead of paying 300,000 or whatever, they're paying 70 or 80 and they're picked by Bravo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but a lot of guests want to be on the show and want to travel and enjoy the.

Speaker 2 I'd want to be a guest. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look, you bring your own

Speaker 1 complaint about the crew make it hard for us and um that's that's all you're you have to do to be a guest so as we say so do you so the the more difficult the the guest is i guess the better the show is for um we we want crew we want guests to actually be engaged uh be authentic but also be active but also be honest as well we want to be critiqued and as a captain i want to be critiqued as well like i would like to i'd like my chef to be um under the microscope i want my stewardesses and the service service to be under the microscope it's better for us it's better for the show but um it's better than it's better for us to actually uh to learn from and get better so these ups and downs that go are real and look what there's there's not a boat out there that charters that doesn't have a bad guess that actually is really hard and that's fine that makes us better

Speaker 2 how do they fit like how do you guys all sleep on the boat like the whole crew and the get how many bedrooms are on these boats so every charter boat can have only a maximum of 12 guests okay so it doesn't matter how much how big jeff Jeff

Speaker 1 Bezos boat is or whatever,

Speaker 1 they can only have 12 guests. Otherwise, you're moving into a passenger liner, which is a different realm.
So 12 guests. So 12 guests, and then the crew, we have about 10 to 12,

Speaker 1 13 crew.

Speaker 2 And where do you, like, are you guys sleeping? Like, in, are you guys triple?

Speaker 1 Bunking or? Yeah, yeah, sometimes double bunking. Not the captain, he's got his own, but the crew always double or triple bunk.
And then that's below deck, and that's why it's called below deck.

Speaker 1 All the adventure goes on below down.

Speaker 2 Right, so it's not really about the guests on on the show.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I would say probably 10% of it's about the guests, 20% of it's about the location and the activities. A good performance.
And the drama between them. And I think a good 70% of it then is about

Speaker 1 the crew and how they actually perform and get on.

Speaker 2 So which show performs the best? Is like the down under that you're on the most popular?

Speaker 1 I'd have to say that. Blow deck down under.
Yeah, well, yeah. We're all going pretty strong.
We're all going pretty strong. The ratings have been strong.
It's been going for 10, 11 years.

Speaker 1 It's been fantastic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got nominated for an Emmy nomination last year. Our one, season two.
So that was a good one. You're yours? The down under one? Yeah.
Oh, my God. It's amazing.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 unstructured reality TV show. So that was a pretty, we only got knocked off by Ryan Reynolds, so that's not too bad.
Oh, okay. Well, that's not bad.

Speaker 2 Have you ever done any celebrities? Have you taken any celebrities on these?

Speaker 1 Some of the other franchises have done housewives and stuff, but no real big celebrities.

Speaker 2 No, besides the show, like in real life

Speaker 1 back in the day i did uh remember both the boats that i were on i was on with um i think we had jennifer lopez on once but down in the caribbean you think you're not a hundred percent sure

Speaker 2 and was was that like a 500 000 um anna had ann archer ann archer she was

Speaker 1 from fatal attraction yeah yeah

Speaker 1 Jennifer Lopez is Patriot Games or Patriot or something with Harrison Ford. Yeah, I had her on once, yeah.

Speaker 2 But she also did Fatal Attraction. She was the white.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah. That's right.
She was in a heyday, too. Right.

Speaker 2 That was like her big thing. And those guys are paying $500,000 a week.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 Okay. And then were they nice?

Speaker 1 Was Jennifer Lopez nice? Look, I can't remember that. I think I was really green then.
That was my first season.

Speaker 2 So I was your first season ever doing that.

Speaker 1 And actually, all that crew were the crew of Wolf of Wall Streets, too. Oh, of what?

Speaker 1 The movie, The Wolf of Wall Street. The boat that sank.
My first captain was the captain from that boat.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 In real life. Yeah, in real life.
So the guy who was the wolf of Wall Street was here, and it was the most fascinating podcast.

Speaker 2 Like he was telling me all sorts of stuff.

Speaker 2 I was like, I've seen the movie, of course, but like he was telling me like the movie didn't give, it was like not even like a sliver of what really happened in real life.

Speaker 1 I could probably look the crew that came off that boat, they were pretty tight-lipped. They didn't talk about anything.

Speaker 1 And so he can rest assure that no bad words were said about him.

Speaker 2 Oh, Mike, wow. That's because he's saying some bad words himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's probably going through the other side now. Oh, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 So how do you even become a captain on the show? Did you get the audition?

Speaker 1 I was in Papua New Guinea

Speaker 1 working for an American family there, which I wish I could tell you because they actually did some great work very well there with some villages and stuff and rebuilding hospitals anyway. You were?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we had a great opportunity.

Speaker 2 That has nothing to do with being a captain of a boat?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I was on a boat. They wouldn't turn up.
They didn't turn up because of some some political issues here. They just didn't want to be seen on their boat.

Speaker 1 They're a very, very big family here in America. Anyway, so I was working on that boat.
What boat could you tell me? I can't, I'm not going to say. So they don't want to be, they're very low-key.

Speaker 1 And they,

Speaker 1 we went, we dropped it. I remember dropping an anchor once, and I had to go ashore with the helicopter pilot to find the chief to talk about whether I could anchor it in his bay.

Speaker 1 And we had a bag of nails, we had a bucket of nails, some flour, some tarpaulins, and some tools to give as a present. And we found this old deserted hospital.

Speaker 1 And it still gets used with like 60 people they average a month who paddling past on canoes. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Babies being born, no lights, no running water, absolutely horrendous conditions.

Speaker 1 So we went back and we got all the engineers off the boat. We went up there, we looked at everything.
We came back again.

Speaker 1 We fitted out running water, we fixed their pipes, we put new plumbing in, we put new pumps in, we put LED lights in and everything. Oh, wow.
And then when the owners did come, we took them for,

Speaker 1 they wanted to come and see it. And

Speaker 1 they said, how much did this cost? And I said, well, it cost me nothing. It costs you 10,000, 15,000.
He said, triple it and keep doing it. And his guest was a big medical supplier.

Speaker 1 So he actually sent over a pallet of medical supplies to him as well. And he said, just keep doing that.

Speaker 1 Whatever you do, just so we just cruised around and through the agent that we used there, we just found things to do. And a lot of boats do contribute when they go through these areas.

Speaker 1 But wow, what a moment in life.

Speaker 1 I remember once on the back of the boat, we had kids just sitting in dugout canoes and we set up a big sheet and a projector and we watched Moana at night. They've never seen TV before.

Speaker 2 They've never seen TV. No.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And anyway, I was back in Australia. COVID was happening.
I couldn't get back to the Philippines where my daughter was. Right.
And it was at the end of COVID, just at the end.

Speaker 1 And I was about to try and get out of Australia and leave this job because it was coming to America and I wanted to stay in Asia.

Speaker 1 And I got an email to join Below Deck Down Under, which was doing a franchise in Australia. So yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 But how did they even, like, okay, so how did they know to find you?

Speaker 1 I actually got an email through another captain friend. So through their casting, they put it out there.

Speaker 1 And my friend emailed me with them in it and said, listen, this is the guy that should be on the show. He's down there.
He knows the area and he should be on it. So

Speaker 1 we hooked up and we made contact. And I really fell in love with the production team and talking to them.
I thought, these guys are pretty cool.

Speaker 1 you know they're they're really good so um i thought why not do it my crew convinced me to do it i didn't think anything of it i thought i'd just do a season and then go and see my daughter who i hadn't seen for a year and here we are four years later so wow yeah it's been fun

Speaker 2 have you ever done tv before no never no no so i'm a fish out of the water so so if you ever see any of the promos of me coming out of the water with my shirt off and everything that is not me i was gonna say that you i saw it yesterday in the green room because they were promoing me coming up next or whatever And so they promoed both of us, I guess.

Speaker 2 And you were wearing this like wet t-shirt or something coming out of the boat. And they were like, oh, the sexiest man on Bravo, which is a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 So how did you get this whole sexiest man on React?

Speaker 1 No comment. No comment.

Speaker 1 I got no idea. Well, I don't want to be derogative.

Speaker 1 I could have. I haven't got much.
Well, no. You have.
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Jason, you're on this podcast. You kept it.

Speaker 1 I think it's an untitled one. It's untitled.

Speaker 2 Who called you this?

Speaker 2 Is it just some name that you like the bravo executive decided to call i don't know where it's come from and it's uh or is it all the women who are constantly asking about you or like um

Speaker 2 yeah possibly are you serious i'm asking so i'm 52 i'm 52 i don't see it that way you're so but you're you know what it is that's what that's probably why they like you and why they think you're sexy is because you have like a humility to you that's what's actually

Speaker 2 pretty embarrassing well that well you being like this right now is actually sexy now i'm not hitting on you i'm just saying like the the fact, I'm not, I'm not hitting on him.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying because if you are this arrogant guy who was like coming out here and trying to be all like, you know, thinking that you're like this, this hot thing, it's, it's, that's unattractive.

Speaker 2 That's a turn off. But if you're like, oh, shocks, come on, like all this humility, try and do all these nice things and like with these kids, I mean, that's why the ladies like you.

Speaker 2 I could totally understand, right? Bravo executive over here, right?

Speaker 1 Well, the thing is,

Speaker 1 like we spoke about, the job is real. And then at the end of it, they get us to do all these promos.
And to be quite honest, it's taken a bit, but there's so much fun doing these promos, you know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 each year, I'm like, really? Does it have to be shirt off again?

Speaker 2 Yeah, are you doing all the shirts? So, like,

Speaker 2 what is all? I haven't seen them, but like, are you doing like billboards with your shirt off?

Speaker 1 I'm sure they would if they could, but

Speaker 1 they're good.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they know the market. They hit the market and it's fun.
Look, we just have fun doing it.

Speaker 1 It's after six weeks of really hard work, you know, a lot of fatigue, and it's kind of just this last three days of doing all these commercials. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, oh, let's just have some fun. And we go with it and have a great time doing it.

Speaker 2 But wait, wait, wait. You're like, you're brushing off

Speaker 2 this whole like sexiest man on reality TV thing. So like, do you get DMs from women like all day, all night?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 I'm filtered a lot. Let's filtered.
You do.

Speaker 2 So, but you do, basically.

Speaker 1 I'm sure I do.

Speaker 2 And so I'm going to ask the Bravo lady. So how did did you decide that Jason was going to be the sexiest man on Bravo?

Speaker 2 Is it because you guys just noticed the influx of women who are constantly asking about him versus anybody else on the show? Well, is that really how?

Speaker 2 But like, who else do you guys even have on Bravo?

Speaker 1 The tapes. I'm down the list.
I'm down the list. No, no, who else?

Speaker 2 What other guys are on Bravo that are like a big, big name?

Speaker 2 Most of them are like, just like, you know, women who are.

Speaker 1 He's a captive, though.

Speaker 2 Like the whole package, right? right like and so then you just kind of create this whole like thing around it

Speaker 2 you're leaning in okay i like that and he's embarrassed which makes it even better and all the other things so anyway my daughter yeah exactly

Speaker 1 how many people watch below deck like what's the what's the numbers that um i think look i think each franchise is is averaging just under under a mil yeah varies you know varies but um i think all franchises are doing quite well really well and um as i said it's been going for quite some time and it's got a coming from someone from inside the industry we used to look at as like, oh, really?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 we're actually starting to enjoy it as well. People that actually are in the industry, they're starting to watch it as well.

Speaker 1 It started off with like, we don't really want the industry was like frowning upon it. Like, why have them understand this?

Speaker 1 But now it's there's a lot of good points that are coming out of it, which I think we need to work on.

Speaker 1 Like Captain Sandy, a female captain who's actually really done a lot for a lot of charities that she works for, and she's probably allowed a lot of females to come up into the industry.

Speaker 1 They get a lot of female deck stewardesses on board.

Speaker 1 So it actually just gives a lot of women understanding that they can actually be working outside as well. It's not just a stewardessing job, you know, waitress job.
So you can actually be part of

Speaker 1 the system where you can get certifications for it. So there's a hell of a lot of good points in it.

Speaker 2 Why 30 people? Is 30 people for that type of size boat a normal size? No,

Speaker 1 you got the crew.

Speaker 2 So the crew is who? The captain?

Speaker 1 Yeah, captain, captain, first mate, engineer, and then you'll have three stewardesses and three deckhands. You know, so you got six, so you got 10, 10 or 11, 12, 13 crew, depending on the size.

Speaker 1 Then you'll have 12 guests. Then we'll have four producers on at one time.
And then you'll have probably five sound and five camera people.

Speaker 2 Okay, no, no, no, not the camera, not the TV people, just in general.

Speaker 1 In general, let's just say there's 12 plus 10, so 22 would be usual.

Speaker 2 And because you're also enclosed in such a small environment, there must be a lot of like drama and relationships and like that actually form you said earlier that the mom of your daughter was the chef no she was a chef not my chef on the boat

Speaker 1 but not but was she a chef for another boat yeah or yeah but you guys never met on a boat together no no that was just a coincidence yeah we just met through friends yeah oh but you because you're friends with a lot of the same people who are crew yeah but i know where you're going from going to and it definitely it's a it's a close environment so it's a very um you got different nationalities yeah you got different personalities, you know, and these are things that, um, look, when you go to work at a nine-to-five job, you know, you might not like Tom, who you're sitting next to, or Sarah, you know, but you get to go home and you actually just get the clock off and bitch to your partner, going, Tom's, Tom's, I can't stand Tom, but I'll go back to work tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Whereas in our industry, we have to be with them 24-7. So the only way to combat that is actually respect someone's uniqueness or different personality and understand that and then get to know them.

Speaker 1 We all know people from different countries behave differently. They have different aspects or different views on life or things.

Speaker 1 Some can be very pig-headed or misogynist or rude in their tone, but they're probably not. Some people are really, really beautiful people, but just they come across very, very harsh.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 give that a moment. Understand where they come from.
Learn their nationality, learn their personality, learn their behaviors. And not everyone has to be how you think they should be.

Speaker 1 And that's a big lesson that crew have to learn, especially when you're living with them 24-7. Right.

Speaker 2 That's crazy. I mean, that's a small quarters to be with.

Speaker 2 Have you ever had any relationships with people in your crew ever?

Speaker 1 Me personally. Yeah.
I've been doing it for 25 years, of course. Of course.
Yes.

Speaker 1 On Bravo? No, no, not on Bravo. No, no, I've had really strong relationships before, too.

Speaker 1 Some that I've actually, you know, thought that might have been the one.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't live up in a suburb with a cul-de-sac, you know, with a white picket fence and have barbecues every Saturday.

Speaker 1 You know, my friends are my crew that I've worked with over two and a half decades. Wow, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like my best friends are, you know, yeah, my best friends are crew that I've actually worked with and had a great relationship and then still keep in touch now and male or female.

Speaker 2 So what is the cat, like, what's your day-to-day look like? Give me a break it down. Like walk me through what a day in the life of a captain would be.

Speaker 1 Well, obviously, everything's based around the itinerary that you've already set before. So you're obviously looking at the weather.

Speaker 1 You've got the provisions, you've got the supply, you've got the maintenance of the vessel, you've got the crew,

Speaker 1 how are they going. Then you've also got the admin.
You've got the accounting.

Speaker 1 You've got the reporting to the management. You've got the reporting to the owner.

Speaker 1 And then you're fulfilling the itinerary and the cruising and the going through the grounds and the activities through the day. And then that's all starting again.

Speaker 1 And then you're also foreseeing what's happening in about four months' time when you finish that season, going into a shipyard repair maintenance time where you've probably got six weeks to turn the boat over, spend a million or two, and then get back out.

Speaker 1 And then all that is with crew vacations, you know, crew leave, terminations, contractual stuff with that, employment, HR, uniform sizes to, and then you've got the crew drama, which has happened.

Speaker 1 So that would be a day of the life.

Speaker 2 What time do you guys wake up? Like for a bravo, like when you're filming for bravo.

Speaker 1 When I'm filming, that's real life. Filming, we're the same.

Speaker 1 The only thing different about all that is I'm not foreseeing. I'm not, you know, it's all set.
That's what we're doing. So walk up to the boat and just focus on that.

Speaker 1 Every day, a captain, you know, he might go to sleep, you know, after

Speaker 1 guests have gone down or dinner and he'd be up early getting into it.

Speaker 1 And we have set hours of rest that the crew have to have. Otherwise, if they go outside that,

Speaker 1 it's past their legal requirements.

Speaker 2 They have to have a certain amount of rest in certain blocks for safety but that does get broken every now and again because uh we want to try and get things done right right right how do you guys have like because you know you're out in the you know you're you're out in the outdoors but how do you maintain like a healthy life like you you obviously said that you really care about before even off camera like longevity and health and wellness and we're going to get into your whole story is it hard to take care of your health when you're like confined to like a boat underneath and you have to do a certain structured schedule.

Speaker 2 Like, you, it just, like, there's not much time to kind of like even have, like, if you have like downtime, are you stuck going to your room, or like, are you allowed to like wander around the boat?

Speaker 2 Like, what happens?

Speaker 1 Crew usually get a designated area where they can actually do some stuff. And a good owner or a good management system would understand that, respect that.

Speaker 1 And really, good owners want their crew to have a healthy lifestyle. And I always promote that the crew can always jump in the water with the guests as well.

Speaker 1 They can get on the paddleboards with the guests, you know, because it's actually a well, they can.

Speaker 1 Well, to me, it looks like they're well, one, they're actually getting some refreshing activity, two, they're actually acting as a safety with the guest. That's true.

Speaker 1 They're another set of eyes. So it's actually access to two purposes.
But I think society's changed a lot too.

Speaker 1 I think if you go 20 years ago, the crew would work, work, work, go to the bar, get drunk, have a great time.

Speaker 2 Right. It's different now.

Speaker 1 I think we're a lot more conscious now. I see crew getting up early for the sunrise, meditating,

Speaker 1 journaling, doing yoga,

Speaker 1 being their fit. You can see it in society that

Speaker 1 men, young men are trying to be a lot fitter than they were 20 years ago. Totally, it's become super trendy now to be yoga.

Speaker 1 Meditating.

Speaker 1 Yeah, look, breath works is a big thing.

Speaker 1 I think crew are taking the more healthy approach to understanding that you can't keep working in these environments without a healthy body. And obviously healthy body, then healthy mind, really.

Speaker 2 Like, what are your habits? What do you do every day?

Speaker 1 Wake up every morning, stretch for about half an an hour what time do you wake up typically uh five ish six yeah five thirty six yeah that's for either you stretch for half if i'm with my daughter i'm up at four because i go to bed at eight so um yeah so i stretch i go for a walk um if i if if i'm not on land if i'm on land i go for a walk i'll do my breath works i just do my I usually do that when I'm in bed.

Speaker 1 I'll put on Wim Hoff and do that 11 minute, three rounds. He was on here too.
Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I like Wim Hoff. He's very nice.

Speaker 1 And then I'll do some fire breathing. Yeah.
And then I'll just do some more stretching. I just do band exercises.

Speaker 1 I used to play professional rugby league when I was young, so I've got a lot fewer injuries. Oh.
So I find that if I start getting into the gym, it's just too much. Really? Yeah.
The gym's too much.

Speaker 1 Lifting weights is too much for me. I actually,

Speaker 1 I find getting into band exercises being more helpful and good for the core. It is.

Speaker 2 So wait, so. Because you said earlier too, like your daughter lives in Bali.
You know you live in Bali.

Speaker 1 But like, you said haven't you didn't see her for a year yeah year and a half is it because your schedule with the I was through COVID I was stuck in I was stuck in Australia on a boat I couldn't leave so but normally that's not the case not well normally if a yacht captain very rarely there is rotational jobs two months on two months off but they're very hard to find um

Speaker 1 sometimes a captain could be away at sea for 10 months so so how do you have like a regular how do you have a life with like anybody very difficult very difficult that's why if my friends are friends on that i'm 100 yes we don't have a normal life and you take two months off or a month off even as the captain you're still on the laptop you're still on the phone and there's uh so many jobs waiting for captains as well if you don't say yes to the conditions uh someone else will take it so every time you're on holiday you're threatened whether you're going to keep your job or not like it's like right

Speaker 1 there's a mindset with yacht owners that uh you know they're just always there right they're always they're always they're always part of the boat whereas no you can't have any time off um there's a lot of uh a lot of marital breaks up breakups in this industry also has anyone have a relationship or have kids very happy like i find the same relationship breakups in um in the mining in the offshore stuff where you do a lot of one month on one month off yeah yeah so because there's a lot of time away like there's no consistency in time in terms of spending time well what i see is it's the same pattern is the um you know the the the mother was let's just say the mother is uh at home with the children and the father's working away for a month or two and then he comes home he walks into the household, he thinks he's back.

Speaker 1 Right. Well, wait up, this has been my nest for two months without you.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 You know, don't just, don't just come in here.

Speaker 1 So, you always see like a week of teeting into slowly walking into the relationship with arguments when you come back.

Speaker 1 And then they finally get settled. And then you feel, then the wife or the mother feels like about two weeks before they're departing, like starts to get that anxiety.

Speaker 1 Like, and he starts to get that anxiety. So, you know, the whole two months off is actually a good portion of that is broken up with,

Speaker 1 you know, unrest.

Speaker 2 And 100%. Well, there's no rhythm.

Speaker 1 No, there's no rhythm.

Speaker 2 There's no rhythm. Like it's constantly like upheaval and like, you know, growing apart.
And then you come back and it's like they already went on with their lives a little bit.

Speaker 2 And then you're kind of, so how do you, even with the kid, like you, what I think is amazing, and I noticed this yesterday when we met, is like. Any moment you can mention your daughter, you do.

Speaker 2 Like you love your child so much, which is like beautiful. I love that.
It must be really hard to be away from her like that much.

Speaker 1 So when this season, I put everything into building that place in the Philippines. Yeah.
A nice little five-star resort. You know, her mother really did a great job building it.

Speaker 1 Even though we weren't together, we said, okay, you build it, we'll be 50-50. It just gave us, it gave me, it's what I've always wanted was my daughter to grow up with a unique environment.

Speaker 1 So she grew up as this white. blonde girl that speaks fluent Tagalog, Filipina.
She actually thinks she's Filipino. She's got that empathy.
Really?

Speaker 1 She just wants to give to other people, make sure everyone's looked after, which is just that true. She's a caretaker of vitality.

Speaker 1 Real, true Filipino care. She grew up in a very remote location and we've given her that.
And now

Speaker 1 they've moved to Bali now for a better education. And yeah, look, I'm proud that we've given that point.

Speaker 1 But when below deck happened, and COVID happened, post-COVID, I was like, I don't care what happens. The next two years, I'm not going to work.
I don't care if I spend all my money.

Speaker 1 I'm going to stay with my daughter.

Speaker 1 And I've done that probably 80% of the time so if this goes nowhere it goes nowhere I'll just go back onto a boat okay but now I'm actually trying to pick things up see how much I can actually um really make the most out of this year my two years is up yeah so now I'm actually trying to get back your two years is up two years that I set set out for her you know yeah yeah well you know when it's up when um I didn't see her from six to six to eight now she's eight to ten yeah and I gave her a kiss good night um for because she sleeps with me.

Speaker 1 We've just got a one-bedroom villa in Bali. She sleeps with her mother who's got a one-bedroom.
And I gave her a kiss goodnight. She said, oh, Papa, I need to talk to you about something.

Speaker 1 I said, what? She said, boundaries. I went, what boundaries? She goes, I don't think you can give me a kiss goodnight.
I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 Not on the lips. I went, okay, but can I hug you? She goes, you can hug me goodnight, but no more kissing goodnight.
I went, really? Oh, my God. It's so sad.
So

Speaker 1 I rolled over and about two minutes later, she reached over and hugged me and gave me a kiss.

Speaker 1 So I make sure understanding that it's

Speaker 1 it's it's that time that you know I know she's only 10, but I know that she's becoming more of a

Speaker 2 girl.

Speaker 2 I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 But she won't let me see her with her top off anymore. She's got to have a top underneath her top, you know.
Right, she's not a baby.

Speaker 2 She's moving.

Speaker 2 She is.

Speaker 1 I don't trust her.

Speaker 2 I'm always the same thing. My little one turns 10 in five weeks, and I know it's like a progress.
Like they were just like a baby or they still are your baby, right?

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 But like there's different rules and boundaries I'm getting the same conversation as well yeah it's I know that that's the hint of like okay well I've I can spread my wings yeah yeah yeah like it's it's fine I've given her a good two years I'll give her all my life that's for sure my whole life's about her but I know that I can she's like fine oh we got FaceTime I'm like

Speaker 1 Is that what she said? Whereas, you know, she misses, she rings me every day, but she's like, it's fine. As long as we can talk on FaceTime, it's fine.

Speaker 1 You know, but then she's like, come home, you know, and I need to see you. So I flew home.
I had Christmas with my parents.

Speaker 1 My parents were not too well this year so i had christmas with them and um and um i flew home straight away to see her for a week you know as soon as i had a good hunk of time with my parents so you where do you actually live Bali's, I've got a home in Bali, but Philippines, we have the resort.

Speaker 1 So I'm actually been a little bit nomadic my entire life. But this year I'm trying to find some stability and actually look towards the place to put some anchors down.

Speaker 2 Roots. Are you going to, do you think you'd ever live in the US?

Speaker 1 Oh, she's in love with the LA she's love in with the LA she's in love with LA I brought her here um last year and she's like oh yeah really why don't you live here papa and I'll just come here and visit I'm like maybe so you might move here look I'm I've got I don't want to even put any anxiety or thought or thought into it to have any anxiety I've got to get some stuff done this year I've got a good first half I've got very busy first half of the year and then once that's done then I'll actually I'll put more thought into it then wait so how long did you say when you like shoot for the show how long did you say it it is?

Speaker 2 It's six weeks.

Speaker 1 Six weeks. But then we do about six months of editing.

Speaker 1 Right. Then not editing the show, but just things we didn't pick up or voiceovers that we didn't do.

Speaker 1 So I'll fly back to here once a month for about six months, probably six times, just to tidy up things that maybe

Speaker 1 after each charter, we get into a green room and talk about that charter. Maybe my enthusiasm wasn't there.
I was tired or something.

Speaker 1 Or, you know, maybe I just need to be a bit more upbeat about this. Or can you be a little bit more firmer about that termination you did?

Speaker 2 right rather than do they and so they do give you guidance in terms of how you should uh no this is much later they

Speaker 2 so you mean so after the season's done yeah they kind of give you feedback on what you can do next time no we'll fly when they're editing and they're putting it together our voiceovers or our interpretation of

Speaker 1 their interpretation of that moment may not have been that conducive to what happened. So they might just ask us to, can we say that again, but with a bit more more enthusiasm?

Speaker 1 And then that's the clip. It's just, it's called pickups.
It's editing, part of the editing.

Speaker 2 So no, I know. I used to have a brief.
I had this, I didn't, I wasn't, I didn't love it. I had a weight loss show and they had, but they had a bug in my ear.
Like, you know, like one of those things.

Speaker 2 Yep. And they'd be like, go up to so-and-so and tell them this or that.
It felt very contrived. They don't do that on your show.
No, not at all. Oh, God, you're lucky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we've, I'm the captain of the boat. There's no way I'd run a boat.
Good. Okay.

Speaker 2 I know you kind of said that, but I didn't, like, sometimes it is Bravo. I mean, it's not like it's

Speaker 2 like they're known for their very

Speaker 2 dramatic reality shows. So

Speaker 2 it just happens anyway.

Speaker 1 This is good. This adds another.

Speaker 1 This is the thumb of the hand of theirs, I suppose. You know, whereas all the other stuff is very dramatic and reality and it's got their audience.

Speaker 1 We give the Bravo audience another aspect of reality, but doing a real job. Right.
And it's good that they, it's just another genre, really, within a genre. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 What, how many years are you contractually like doing this gig?

Speaker 1 Season after season. So, you know, we just hope that the ratings are popping up and we get another one.
Right.

Speaker 2 So you don't know, like next year you may not be on. Yep.
So if this season does lousy, you're screwed, basically.

Speaker 1 That's, yep.

Speaker 2 And would you, like, do you like doing TV? Like, would you want to do more of that stuff?

Speaker 1 I honestly have met so many friends through the production and the people at the back. Yeah.
They're very similar to ourselves. They're working away from home.

Speaker 1 They're putting so many hours in. They're trying to create something for someone else.
Probably don't know when the next job's coming. Very much like I spoke about.

Speaker 1 They're all passionate about what they do and they're working hard and trying to,

Speaker 1 honestly, to be quite honest, you could actually have cameras. filming them and that could be a show as well.

Speaker 2 Oh my God, it'd probably be the best show. Yeah.
It'd probably be the best drama show ever. I agree.
How did you even become a captain, though? Like, what did you love the water? Or

Speaker 2 did you love boats as a kid? Like, what was your evolution to be like, you know what, I want to become a captain of big boats?

Speaker 1 Well, in a short, I'll keep it short. I did a mechanics apprenticeship.
I became a mechanic.

Speaker 1 I got drafted to play professional rugby league. I was a good rugby league player back in the day.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. I then did an apprenticeship as a plumber.
Then I chose not to play football, but just rugby league.

Speaker 1 I just chose to play chose to get married actually that's the first no one knows that i got married when i was very young how old were you i was 20.

Speaker 1 yeah 20 married my high school girlfriend and then at 25 who we're still in touch with now i was like what are we doing like yeah so i actually gave up professional football to be with her um but then i traveled i went a year around south america um then a backpack by myself and then hitchhiked around Middle East from Istanbul down to Cairo.

Speaker 1 You hitchhiked? Yeah, and around South America as well. And then a friend of mine who I met in England got a job on a boat in Newport, Rhode Island.

Speaker 1 So I went back to Australia, I came to visit him, and I just walked onto a boat.

Speaker 2 To do what? Just like just to help.

Speaker 1 And the crew came back and the engineer said, this guy knows what he's doing.

Speaker 1 Let's take him to Miami, to the shipyard. So they took me down there and I started work.
And they said, let's just do a season with him. So I did that.

Speaker 1 Long story short, went back to Australia for a year of football, then came back and got a job as an engineer on a boat went up to Newport New New York saw the World Trade Centers come down went back the boat didn't sell it was owned by the boat didn't sell the boat sorry the boat didn't sell it was up for sale oh sell and the accent I'm trying to that's why I keep missing no I like it it's just like I'm listening very intently we came back down to New York and after the season the boat was for sale and it didn't sell okay and no one was buying it and it was a 110 foot boat and the owners like said well we'll take it to the mediterranean and i was the only one looking after it by myself because it was for sale and they said we want you to drive it and I said I don't know how to drive and they said learn so that was it I was 28 years old off to the Mediterranean never been in the Mediterranean never driven a boat before and I just we took off and winged it you just winged it winged it and then ever since then you're a captain ever since then I've been winging it seriously what is like the protocol like how does anyone become a captain is there like a school I had to do a certificate I had I had sea time enough to actually do the certificate so I had to pass the certificate to do do that, but it just fell short under a grade, which was great for me.

Speaker 1 Easy to be able to

Speaker 1 get the certificate. So then I took off.
I surrounded myself with good people. And actually, for about five, 10 years, I really just learned on the run.

Speaker 1 And then eventually I ended up driving one of the biggest boats.

Speaker 1 What was the boat? It was, what is it? 300 foot? and helicopters, everything.

Speaker 1 And we had 28 crew. It was a huge boat.
So I actually got to the point. And I thought, no, I'm too detached from the crew.
I don't really like...

Speaker 1 I could stay up in the wheelhouse and never see a crew member for a week if I wanted to. I had a lounge up there.
I had a kitchen, a galley, everything. So I thought, no,

Speaker 1 it's not me. I want more adventure, even though I could have retired on that job.

Speaker 2 So what's the pay in a boat like that?

Speaker 1 Anywhere between 15 to 20,000 a month.

Speaker 2 To be a captain of a 300 foot boat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, it goes up to 30. 30,000.
Really? Anywhere from 15 to 30,000 a month.

Speaker 2 And then you get your tips and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 If you're a charter boat. Yeah.
Yeah. So, but I go,

Speaker 1 I could have retired on that job, but it wasn't me. And I came back and bought land in the Philippines and felt more, I actually learnt more driving around these remote areas and got more out of it.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of where a lot of where I am now. That's why I'm working with these charities that I work with.

Speaker 2 I know. Tell me about that charity.
I love that chart, like the

Speaker 2 Classroom of Hope. Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 1 I've been looking for a plastic waste solution in the Philippines, building our place. We got a lot of rubbish washing up.

Speaker 1 And I've been thinking, we used to grind our plastic plastic up and put it into our foundations just to get rid of it right so yeah I've been looking at blocks and everything and I came across this foundation in Indonesia that use all fully recycled you make these blocks out of all recycled plastic waste 24,000 tons of plastic waste a day wash up onto Indonesian rivers

Speaker 1 And they have a big factory. They turn them into these Lego blocks and they build schools out of it.
In 2018, 400 schools got knocked down by earthquakes.

Speaker 1 This foundation that was there went in there to help because they were an education foundation.

Speaker 1 After that, they said, well, if we keep rebuilding these schools, they're just gonna knock down again because there's earthquakes all the time. So then they found this solution.

Speaker 1 So they've rebuilt 100 schools out of this solution. I loved it.
I went and visited them. They don't even just, it's not just about the schools, about the education.

Speaker 1 They're working with each community and the chiefs to understand how they can help. Like the females there,

Speaker 1 in their religion,

Speaker 1 if you run off with a boy, you have to get married. If you have a night with the boy, you have to get married.
But the father of the boy is not going to let you marry unless you can get pregnant.

Speaker 1 So you need to get pregnant before you can get married. And then you can get divorced too.
So they're trying to teach these communities that there's a better way with education.

Speaker 1 You don't have to fall back on that.

Speaker 1 you know we can actually have a better solution so they've actually got so many aspects of these foundation of this foundation that are helping the community but on top of that they're building these schools rebuilding these schools out of a plastic waste recycle material.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm a Paddy dive ambassador for Paddy, the diving certificate. For what?

Speaker 1 Paddy is the dive certificate that you get your diving courses through. So I'm the Paddy Dive Ambassador.
So ocean conservation is a big thing for me.

Speaker 1 I just got my daughter certified. So we went on, I said, how can I help to this foundation? They said, we'd love to have you on board.
So they gave me a school for 171 children, no bathrooms.

Speaker 1 The girls, every time they have their monthly, have to go home for a week because

Speaker 1 there's no dignity there. Really? It's their bathroom.
So that was the school I got given last year and I put it up. I threw it out there.
Sheena of Fanda Pump Rules threw $5,000 and got it started.

Speaker 1 In four months, we raised $100,000 and I built the school and I took my daughter to open it and cut the ribbon. And last month we went to Melbourne, Australia for a gala.
We had to raise $60,000 more.

Speaker 1 I spoke at the gala. We raised $140,000.
It's a great foundation and it's fantastic. And my daughter's daughter's part of being there with it too, which is a good thing for her.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Last month I took her up into the mountains of Bali. There's another foundation, Bali for Rice, with all the construction that's going on in Indonesia.

Speaker 2 Bali for what?

Speaker 1 Bali for rice. Rice? Rice.

Speaker 1 As eating rice, okay. And all the rice fields are

Speaker 1 getting taken for construction with all these foreigners buildings. So there's a lot of elderly and

Speaker 1 disabled people and special needs people that are actually not getting fed. So these foundations supply rice every week to these families, and it's a great organization.
And there's plenty of them.

Speaker 1 There's plenty of foreigners in Bali that are giving back. But look, Philippines is my heart.
And I'd love to take some stuff to Philippines in the future.

Speaker 1 But at the moment, I'm in Bali and it's something that I feel passionate about. And I don't know what to do on my social media.
I'm not very good at it.

Speaker 1 Do you do your own social media? I do my own social media. Everyone's like, you got to get more in front of the camera.
And I'm like, okay, but I don't know what. But this is easy.

Speaker 1 It's something i'm passionate about it aligns to the ocean conservation i've got a child education is a big thing yeah i think my daughter's very lucky that she's growing up in a unique environment you know and she didn't want to hold the camera for me the other day when we were giving out the rice and i said to her she did not want to no and i said to her later i said why didn't you want to do that saskia and she said um I was embarrassed.

Speaker 1 I said, I know why you're embarrassed. And she said, tell me.
I said, because you've got more than them.

Speaker 1 And she said, you're right. I was like that in the Philippines, you know, to bring the people to our house because we had a bigger house.
And I was like, sas, this is just learning.

Speaker 1 And I'm glad you've got that feeling because that's empathy. Yeah.
And that's not a bad thing. And don't be shy of that.
You know,

Speaker 1 you can be embarrassed and you can actually have empathy as well. But just know why you've got it.
And it's because you have appreciation of what you have. And, you know, and these.

Speaker 2 That's a beautiful lesson that you just taught your child.

Speaker 1 That's all we have to do. You know,

Speaker 1 a little bit. We don't have to ask for much.

Speaker 2 I think it's so she has gratitude, like just from

Speaker 2 having that environment.

Speaker 2 What's amazing to me is the, just the difference in terms of just where you raised your child, how they grow up, like in terms of their like mentality, their needs, their desires.

Speaker 2 Like, like, because she never stepped foot here in America, right? She doesn't know from. from all this.

Speaker 2 She doesn't know from the fact that every kid here is stuck on their, on their phone and they won't play outside or they don't do play dates, or they are on social media.

Speaker 2 Like, they're not doing that back there.

Speaker 1 No, they're both. Okay, she loves her iPad now when she can get it.
She doesn't get it, she doesn't get it with a mum, but she gets it with me.

Speaker 2 How much do you give her the iPad?

Speaker 1 Look, she gets, I would say, a couple of hours a week.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. Yeah, a couple, but you, but you regulate it and you monitor it.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty bad with it.

Speaker 1 My mum's good with it. Her mom's good with it.
But, you know, she's...

Speaker 2 She's got two hours a week. But

Speaker 1 she does crochet now.

Speaker 1 She does crocheting and stuff she does really yeah she did she does she make things she's got her her invisible friends she's got her her other plastic her other um dolls and stuff that she makes things for and she she has a little word to it she's the other day she said you can't sit there i said well she goes blow i can't remember big dog so big dog or something like oh that's cute i'm not gonna take that away from her like that's great that's no they should that's an imagination and and and keep that imagination you know like allow it 100 you know if we had it we'd be fine you know entrepreneurs get have it you know we we do have it i mean entrepreneurs do have it you have to have well that's because well i i mean this is how the whole thing like i i believe that we need to be bored sometimes and when we were kids we i was always bored but that's where i believe you know boredom kind of breeds brilliance in a way right because that's where creativity lives that's where you think of different things like if you're not bored and you're constantly distracted all the time you're never going to get those light bulb like those those moments of genius yeah where you can actually visualize and imagine where the end is well 100 and not actually look at the obstacles in between exactly so then if you're doing this stuff like you know with the show six weeks on whatever and then you do your pickups how do you spend the rest of your time it's a good question it's been a very very low low period yeah where i've actually moved in probably into a bit of a cave as well right you know because i know when i'm out i'm out right um when i've got these things to you know so health is a big thing um i've just had a huge end of the year with my father with Alzheimer's.

Speaker 2 How old is your father?

Speaker 1 They're turning 80 next year. So I've just mum had a heart attack, dad had Alzheimer's.
I flew back to help. My best mate passed away in a horrific accident.
I had the melanoma.

Speaker 1 I had a diagnosis of melanoma. I had a lot going on.
And I think that's nothing but going to propel me into where I really wanted to go anyway.

Speaker 1 I've always tipped around my yoga, my health, everything like that. But

Speaker 1 I want to move right into into like

Speaker 1 not the, I'm not going to say peak. I want to see how far things my body can be.
You know, I want to know more about mind, cognitive behavior, preventative

Speaker 1 reversing Alzheimer's a little bit, you know, know about the foods that we, what we can take, you know, because I want to know more about it because of my dad. Of course.

Speaker 2 Do they actually diagnose him with Alzheimer's?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 How did they know? Did they do an MRI and scan his brain?

Speaker 1 We did the whole lot. We always had, for the last six six to seven months, we could see changes.

Speaker 1 And then when mum had a heart attack, a triple bypass, and he was by himself, it just came on like a ton of bricks. And it's really there now.
And it's prevalent. And, you know,

Speaker 1 now he's on medication to take that back. But I've been listening to a lot of podcasts.
So I'm actually just trying to teach myself now. But I want to see what I can do too.

Speaker 1 And I know that I've got a good journey ahead because of everything that just went that happened at the end of last year. So I'm thinking, wait up.
So I'm doing manifesting and mindful coaching.

Speaker 1 I want to do some journaling of where I can go and follow the journey. See where I am now.

Speaker 1 Start selling some stuff online that, you know, to try and make a passive income so I can actually try and use something from this.

Speaker 1 With Alzheimer's coming on with dad, I feel like I've got the opportunity to learn more about that. And I am doing mindful.
and manifesting coaching as well, which is good.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to do the therapy that my mate suggested when he passed, before he passed away.

Speaker 2 So you're doing,

Speaker 2 do you have a coach or you're a coach? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I've got a coach now.

Speaker 1 I've done two sessions with her i get a lot out of it too she asked me the other day what um what are the things i want to get out of it and i said i want discipline i want um continuity and accountability and execution and she said explain that i said well um you know i've always been that person to go with the flow so i want some i want to be more disciplined to actually um set my targets and actually do it like yeah go and see that person or go and do that like don't just brush it off and go with if it happens it happens continuity is actually continuing and doing that.

Speaker 1 And accountability to me is not just of the things that are going wrong, but be accountable and appreciative of things that you are doing right.

Speaker 1 So when people, probably not the sexy stuff that's going on, but when people say, when people say, oh,

Speaker 1 you did a good job or you did that, I'm going to say thank you. I appreciate that.
Yeah, I'm going to take that on. But write that down as well.

Speaker 1 be grateful every every day and say that to myself every day as well. And then execution is to get all of those things going.

Speaker 2 so this is, so it's funny that the podcast is called habits and hustle, right? For a reason, right?

Speaker 2 Because it's basically the habits and hustle of like the most successful people and the best experts and how they got from place A to place to point A to point B. So we talk a lot.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean I'm in A now. I'm in place A.

Speaker 2 Well, next time you'll be here, you'll be on, you'll be at place B and then C. But what I talk about, my entire platform is really based around discipline.
You rely on discipline.

Speaker 2 You don't rely on motivation because motivation wanes. So does willpower to muscle.

Speaker 2 It doesn't last. So discipline is how you get from A to B.
And being consistent is not about talent. It's really about being consistent day to day.
It's not the most intense, but it's the most often.

Speaker 2 And it's also the most boring stuff, right?

Speaker 2 Like doing the same things day in, day out gives you that mindset of, you know of being accountable to yourself well that's where habits are formed is through subconscious and that's

Speaker 1 about you actually doing yeah you know you do it it's action-based you you know if i if i pick up that phone every day if i pick up that phone every day if i pick up that phone every day at nine o'clock uh eventually next minute um i'm just doing it without even nine o'clock coming 100 and that's what it that's what it for i just use that analogy because there's a phone there but you know what i mean like well it's routine right but it's body movement it's body movement i think You know, it's not just mental.

Speaker 1 It's not just saying it.

Speaker 2 It's actually doing it. No, it's not, it's definitely not.

Speaker 1 You've got to move your body into that habit.

Speaker 2 And you have to make habits. Like, that's why, you know, people laugh at me because I'm very regimented.

Speaker 2 But if you're not reg, if you're not to a certain degree regimented, things don't get done, right? Like if you have goals, you have to have some type of

Speaker 2 plan and you got to execute on that plan or things will just like, you know, maybe it can happen, maybe it won't, right?

Speaker 2 But with your lifestyle, you have a very, very, like, it's an all-over-the-place lifestyle, right? Like you're on a boat, then you're not on a boat. It's like you may have work, you may not have work.

Speaker 1 Very hard. The habits fall off.
It's very hard. It's very hard to actually have that.
Even traveling with the stuff that I like to eat, you know, I found that

Speaker 1 this year, my body went down a little bit in health because I was such on the moon.

Speaker 1 I was on the move for three months, but usually when I'm in that little mode and I've got my things I do every day, I eat my turmeric, my ginger, my onion, my garlic, all that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you know, take my Brazil nuts and stuff like that. If I do, if I'm doing all that, or you know, I'll take my creatine every day.

Speaker 1 Oh, I have creatine for you.

Speaker 2 Have you ever tried this creatine?

Speaker 1 No, have you got the magic mind? Oh, the magic mind.

Speaker 2 And by the way, we totally forgot about this. Can we have to do this shot? Yeah, normally we do this at the beginning of the podcast, but, and I've had like a lot of these today.

Speaker 1 Well, these are my, these, this honestly does work.

Speaker 2 I know it does. And it's like, and the ingredients, I wouldn't be even doing these shots if it didn't work.

Speaker 2 I've, I've tried tons of these different types, and this one is by far the ingredients are the best. Try it.
Oh, cheers. Okay.

Speaker 1 I always leave a bit in there to get to the bottom. Really?

Speaker 2 Because do you shake it enough?

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I've got to shake it. And then now you're going to be super focused for someone else's podcast.

Speaker 1 Well, I have not had one of these for about a year. And when I did have one, it changed me.
And I would love to.

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Speaker 2 I will definitely set you up with them because this is a great company. Also, creatine, have you tried this? I love the momentous creatine.
It'd be perfect for you because they do these travels now.

Speaker 2 I'm going to show you. They're like, you can take it with you and you can just,

Speaker 2 they're in individual packs.

Speaker 1 Do you do creatine? Yeah, I did some today.

Speaker 2 Good. So like, these are the things, like, these are like habits that you can get into that are healthy.

Speaker 1 Totally. But traveling is a big thing.
What do I travel?

Speaker 1 How can I travel around with the most, with the less things?

Speaker 2 Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, these little travel packs.
Do you do any kind of other wellness modalities? Like, do you do red red light? Do you do the sauna? Do you do all those things?

Speaker 1 I ice bath a couple of times a week. Easy.
Red light sauna for sure.

Speaker 2 Okay, you mean infrared sauna?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
So I'd love to do red light therapy. I've been looking into it.

Speaker 2 You've never tried it before.

Speaker 1 No, I understand the concept of it for sure from a light frequency point of view.

Speaker 1 I've read about it or understand it that you know that the ailments in your body are broken up through your light frequency. The red light actually brings it back together.
And

Speaker 1 I'm across all that. Well, not across it, but I definitely believe all that.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you some.

Speaker 1 That's not a belief. It's a fact.

Speaker 2 Well, it's, I'm going to, you're going to leave here today with like so many like wellness gifts because I love this thing. It's called the Trilight Red Light.

Speaker 2 It's a red light by this company called Therasage, who has, like, in my opinion, the best red light. But I travel with it.
And you can, like, it's like a panel, and then you can put it wherever.

Speaker 2 Like, so you can put it on your leg, you can put it on your face.

Speaker 1 I just had a rotator cuff injury for last month.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's perfect. It's good now.

Speaker 1 And I actually think I did the NAD

Speaker 1 IV 500 milligrams. Oh, yeah.
And then I did another one a week after that. And it did improve it a hell of a lot.
You felt it?

Speaker 1 I felt like, well, actually, when it was going in, I actually felt that was the pain straight away. So they say it goes straight to where you need it.
To wherever you need it.

Speaker 1 Did you get nauseous with the no, I cranked it right up. It was fine.

Speaker 2 How long did it take?

Speaker 1 I reckon 45 minutes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, like, that's actually a lot. Well, if it takes, like, if you,

Speaker 2 you know, if you do it really, really fast, I get so nauseous on those things.

Speaker 1 I could, yeah, I could feel it. It was just, yeah, it felt like did a couple of shots of tequila.

Speaker 2 Right. I mean, I think tequila's would be better than the shot.
But are you a drinker then? Because you are from.

Speaker 1 I do. Look, to be quite honest, in this industry that I'm in, obviously, I loved it.

Speaker 1 But now I do big moments of

Speaker 1 no. No alcohol, yeah.
No alcohol. And big moments of, or not big moments, but moments of yes.
Look, I love a steak and a glass of red wine.

Speaker 1 I love going out once in a while, but I must admit, I'm a bit more, as I said, introverted these days. I don't go out too much.
If I'm in Bali and with my daughter, I don't go out.

Speaker 1 So if I am traveling, you know, look, I don't want to be drinking at events anymore. Like, I want to be focused.

Speaker 1 So that's my rule. But if I'm with friends and stuff and there's something on and I feel comfortable and in a good position, I will.
But I actually have, you know, the anxiety.

Speaker 1 you know when the the day after yeah yeah yeah i don't drink so i wouldn't it's just it's just not me it's just not me i i don't like waking up in an environment if i'm in a safe environment i'll i'll do it right so yeah because i think drinking in my opinion is like the number one most terrible thing you can do

Speaker 1 totally agree i've had uh last year i went november till may nothing look we're talking about this today in the car like the focus you get after three months is just insane it's so it's so worth it but you know i i just love sitting with a nice big steak and a glass of red as well i know i like steak Steak's good.

Speaker 2 Like, that's protein.

Speaker 1 I totally. I just love, that's all I'll eat.

Speaker 2 Can you have it with something else, like a carbonated water? I'll try.

Speaker 1 Is that the same mind? Well, I know, but I've been looking at neurotropics. There's a company in Australia I was going to talk to.
You know, they do a gin and tonic, they do

Speaker 1 an Apero Spritz, and it's all alcohol-free, sugar-free. And I'd love to work with a company like that.

Speaker 1 There's another one in New Zealand called Apara. Apera.

Speaker 1 What do they do? They do a black currant. It's neutropics.

Speaker 2 No, nootropics is usually like a brain supplement of some kind.

Speaker 1 Well, it's a, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 2 But what is this exact?

Speaker 1 These are drinks. These are drinks that actually support cognitive behavior, like which are just made out of.
Oh, okay. But it's not.
Is there alcohol or no? No, no. No, no alcohol.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they taste

Speaker 1 like alcohol. It's a gin and tonic.
It's an Aperol Spritz and it's a Moscow mule, but it's no alcohol, no sugar. And, you know, there's good.

Speaker 2 So it mimics the drink.

Speaker 1 Mimics the drinks, but it's using neurotropics plant-based.

Speaker 1 Interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so there's a few of them coming out now there's so much of the stuff i mean it's so overwhelming this is now like this is my life and every day i'm like noticing i'm getting i'm talking i mean it's like there's so much of all of this well this is why i've brought out a fragrance this year i've got a fragrance i'm bringing out because i usually do essential oils so i have a fragrance launching in you yeah Do you want to pass me the fragrance?

Speaker 2 You are doing a lot of side hustles.

Speaker 1 I am starting now.

Speaker 2 What made you? So, yeah. So,

Speaker 2 Prabhupada needs to pay you more, apparently.

Speaker 1 I usually do a lot of essential oils spray face mists on crew and

Speaker 1 on the sound. Oh, okay.
Let me see this. And on the sound and production team.
So in Bali, I started doing this. I started learning about fragrances.
So it's a gender-neutral fragrance.

Speaker 1 And that's coming out in March. Now, I didn't want to promote alcohol.
Everyone does promote spritzes and everything. So this was something that I thought was totally different.

Speaker 1 It's along what I like. I always have my essential oils.
And I thought, well,

Speaker 1 do a fragrance. And it's, it's, I sat down for about two or three months, it's taken about eight months to come.

Speaker 1 Uh, it's that for about two or three months to develop the um the scent, and it's actually kind of me on a boat, the sand, the waterfalls, it's got some earthy tones, and it's definitely um, definitely got some nature there.

Speaker 1 And it's long-lasting, and it's actually done by some beautiful people that have actually got some great hearts.

Speaker 2 Wow, where are you going to sell it?

Speaker 1 It'll be on my website, which is coming out soon, which is Captain's Lounge,

Speaker 2 the captain, uh, captainslounge.life, okay, okay uh which will be on my instagram and that'll be dropping in february so have you not promoted this at all yet no you don't okay so how can you are you gonna have someone to try to get it into like the department stores or uh eventually yeah we'll um i'll work on it yeah who who actually do you have a like who's making it does someone come to you and say hey no it's just me this is all you it's just me you're paid for all the manufacturing you me yeah really

Speaker 2 do you have an agent no you don't have an agent or anything so it's just basically like going out there and like making your own deals. Yep.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 2 Do you think maybe you should get an agent or?

Speaker 1 Don't know. Really?

Speaker 1 I'm a boat captain.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you some business 101. You can do it.
You're on a big reality show. This is my little, like, you're in a, you're on a major, major reality show on Bravo.

Speaker 2 The women obviously really like you, according to Bravo. Why would you not get an agent to find you some like endorsement deals and some speaking gigs? Let's go.

Speaker 2 I mean, I would think, I mean, I think that would be like a, that would be the next evolution of your career.

Speaker 1 Maybe that's part of one is discipline, probably a little bit more confidence and less insecurities. I could probably do that.
I don't know. I'm a fish out of water in all this.
You are.

Speaker 2 You're just like a captain of a boat and like this whole thing just happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can drive a boat with 30 people and crew and do all that there and make decisions and make on the spot, you know, emergency decisions and stuff and look after your life and take it for the best ride of your life.

Speaker 1 Right. But when it comes to opening up that laptop and looking behind the screens of that social media, I got no idea.

Speaker 2 So wait a minute. So no agent has reached out to you.

Speaker 1 No manager has reached out to you. I had a manager for a while.
Not much came through. I had a good deal with InvisiLine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I had a good deal with Johnson and Johnson with

Speaker 1 AccuVee. Yeah.
So they've been good. They're the things that have got me through.
But when it comes to doing the stuff for myself, I've never...

Speaker 2 But those are big ones. Like Johnson and Johnson, like...
like Invisiline, those pay like a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 So I'm saying if you had an agent or somebody to like go up there and like pitch you more regularly or at an agency you'd be getting things like that all the time let's go

Speaker 1 but i have this philosophy and i actually think i'm sticking to it pretty good i do not want to be selling things everywhere all the time no you do not i want to i want to be true to what is for me and what i stand for so when i do try to voice something like that now there'll be a portion of every sale of anything i ever do that'll go back to a project of course it will because you're a nice guy it will which that's that's where I'll get the love out of it, you know?

Speaker 2 That's amazing. You know what? I have an idea for you.
You know what you'd be you'd do great at, I think, because of who would watch it?

Speaker 2 Like if you were to do like some kind of like partnership with like a QVC or an HSN, because the people who watch QVC and HSN, there's like the shopping networks are the same people who are watching reality TV.

Speaker 2 They love reality, you know, they love the real housewives. I'm sure they love your show below deck.

Speaker 2 If you were to do like some kind of partnership with them, they would be able to make this So you wouldn't have to pay for the manufacturing or any of that.

Speaker 2 And then they could put you on the show and you would go, you would, you would basically sell on their, you know, block of time.

Speaker 2 And the women would love to see you because they love you probably already.

Speaker 1 Shirt on or shirt off? Sure. I think shirt off would probably do better.

Speaker 2 But if you, maybe you could do like a tight tank top, you could like meet in the middle or something.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I gotcha.

Speaker 2 But to me, that would be like a great, a great money gig for you.

Speaker 2 And that way, like right now you're but you're paying for the manufacturing of this right you're paying for all of this like all that heavy lifting is coming from your pocket yeah yeah and so like you would like this is what i like i think it's a no-brainer there are people who i meet in la who literally don't have even half of what you have they don't even have like they have like one season of some you know bow dunk horrible reality show from some shitty network and they're out there with their agents and their managers and their publicists trying to like hawk something you're actually like a really decent guy who's got a very nice way about you on a massive hit show three seasons in.

Speaker 2 And like you're making your own perfume.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding me right now? I'm just, I'm just hiding away in Bali somewhere. I really, I'm, I need to get out there.
I need to be represented a bit better and probably learn a bit more, I suppose.

Speaker 1 So, you know, but meeting you has probably given me a little bit of, I'll take this on. It's a little bit of discipline and maybe a little bit more advice would be great.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you more. I mean, listen, I'm like shocked at what I'm hearing.
I mean, you know this, right? From your Bravo friend, Haley.

Speaker 1 But they're not going to give us any.

Speaker 2 No, they're not going to help you with that.

Speaker 2 But like, if you were, if you were really touted, like the sexiest man on Bravo or sexiest reality star, that headline itself, you can leverage that to like so many different endorsement deals.

Speaker 2 You can probably get a book deal. I can make you millions of dollars by next year.

Speaker 1 Sign me up.

Speaker 2 How are you not doing this?

Speaker 1 Sign me up. Sign me up.

Speaker 2 I'll give you business advice later.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 So, guys, this is, he's the nicest guy, Captain Jason.

Speaker 2 Watch season three of Below Deck. And you'll come back when you're at point B, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. From A to B.

Speaker 2 I'll help you get from A to B. That would be great.
I'll help you in the middle. So, where do people find you? So, promote where

Speaker 2 you can be found.

Speaker 1 My Instagram, CaptainJ Chambers. And on there, my website is captainslounge.life, which is all on there.
And also on there in links, you'll see the foundation as well.

Speaker 1 And you'll see a lot of my grid on my Instagram is a link towards the foundations that we've been doing and the schools that we've been rebuilding as well. So,

Speaker 1 from there, you'll find us and we'll be get a bit more active on the other social platforms as well. But for now, Instagram's the go-to and CaptainJ Chambers, and as I said, captainslounge.life.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much, Jason. It was so nice to have you.
I'm glad we met.

Speaker 1 I'm glad we met. Me too.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 Okay, guys, go watch his show and go follow him on Instagram. Bye-bye.