Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot w/ Kate Spencer (HDTGM Matinee)

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It's a buddy cop movie where one of the buddies is a mommy.

We saw the Sylvester Stallone Estelle Getty classic, Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.

So, you know what that means.

Now it's time for

how to discremate.

We're gonna

hello people of earth and welcome to another episode of how did this get made i am joined as always by my two amazing co-hosts uh jason manzugis what's happening

and june diane rapiel how are you june good how are you paul very good i am paul shear by by the way.

I never introduce myself.

And we have a very special guest.

There's a lot of people listening today who are like,

finally, I know.

So people did comment on that.

They're like, why don't you ever introduce yourself?

I was like, you got it.

You figured it out.

You don't accidentally stumble across a podcast.

There's a lot of conscious steps taken.

I know who the other two are, but who's the guy talking?

For the five people who wanted to know, now you know.

Mystery solved.

We have a very special guest today.

You might follow her on Twitter.

Very funny.

Kate Spencer.

Welcome, Kate Spencer, to the show.

She is, how are you, Kate?

I am great.

I'm so glad to be here, you guys.

We're very excited to have you.

This is artist.

What's happening, Kate?

You just had a baby.

I did.

Four weeks ago, I gave birth, and the first movie

was two weeks ago.

Oh, I didn't know it was not really moving.

It was very soon.

The first movie she saw was Stop Her My Mama Shoes.

She sat on my lap

and watched it with me last night.

Yeah.

That's how I want to watch a movie.

You got it.

Sitting on a girl's lap with a mouthful of tit.

All right, guys.

What?

Don't make it right.

What?

Kate is our guest.

Respect her.

That's right.

Respect her.

Just some popcorn and some boob juice.

Boob juice.

Boob juice.

Boob juice.

So I mentioned this in our.

A little bit of the boob juice.

There's a boob juice.

Boob juice.

I mentioned this in our mini-episode.

This is our Roger Ebert tribute episode here because Roger Ebert has called this movie the worst film he ever saw.

Ever.

And Roger Ebert could you could argue he's seen

a lot of movies.

Yeah.

This was the worst.

That's pretty impressive.

Yeah.

I would, I found it entertaining.

I found entertainment in this movie.

I'm excited, too.

But mostly from the point of view of like, what the fuck is happening?

Well, that's exactly it.

Like, to me, it's like more like indicative of a weird time and like what was going on.

Like, how was this brought to Sylvester Stallone?

Like, okay.

Yeah.

It's a cop movie.

You're going to, it's going to, but your partner is your mom.

Yeah.

I actually think there's a really like good movie in there and a really strong idea.

It's just completely insane.

Like the weird thing about the weirdest thing about this movie to me is the tonal shifts.

There are several shots of a Stalgetti

that make it seem as though this is a horror film.

Does anyone else agree?

There were moments, really close close-ups, where she was delivering lines very seriously, where it looked like this is a this is a fucking scary movie like misery type screen

about an obsessive mother and I feel weird and I feel scared

because I'm telling you I felt scared this this bit of interpretation is really fascinating and I think might say more about you no because then we jump out of it and it was a comedy again but there were several moments where I was like, oh my god, this is spooky.

Would you argue that?

Obsessive and crazy.

I I didn't scream, but I didn't feel

safe.

No, I didn't.

I really didn't.

Would you argue that maybe Estelle Getty was so good?

The close-ups, there's a lot of close-up work in this movie.

A lot of tight close-ups.

And sometimes you'd think they'd be punching in for like joke lines, but sometimes not so much.

It's just.

See, I guess what I'm saying is when she would shift to her badass

mode, I had no history for where that was coming from.

She wasn't, like, all I I got was that she was from Newark, and so I guess knew the streets a little bit.

But it was like such a, it was like, she's the Corey Booker of her day.

Right, but it was such a drastic shift into like this badass mode that to me read as like, that's, that's very scary.

Well, I will tell you the moment that I felt really uncomfortable with in this movie.

There's a moment, and it's a joke moment, but she cleans Sylvester's gun.

And then.

We're just calling him Sylvester.

Oh, yeah, Sylvester.

Just, just Sylvester.

Full name, but just the first name.

Exactly.

So that's how I'm doing.

Not today.

Not today.

Sylvester.

When he does comedies.

I'm glad that's what we've chosen.

When he does comedies, he is Sylvester, the comedian.

When he does action movies, he is Stallone.

He's very method like that.

She takes a gun, a loaded gun, and points it at his face.

I know.

I had the same thought.

And I was in the middle of the day.

But we learn it's not loaded.

Oh.

Because he takes the clip out and it's full of water.

Okay, but still.

And

we did see her take out the bullets when she was in the locker.

But it was still scary, I agree.

Before that, when she takes what is definitely a loaded gun and looks down the barrel of it.

That's what I'm saying.

I was like, scary moments in this movie.

If this fucking woman shoots herself in the head right now, at minute 22.

Didn't it feel like weird?

I'm going to totally be the downer, but like, there was a gun control message to this movie that felt very applicable to 2013.

Like, when she tried to buy the gun and there was a two-week cooling off period, I was like, Richard Schiff.

Wow.

Yes.

Richard Schiff tells her she was.

I mean, like, I love those moments when somebody, like, that just is Toby from the West Wing to me.

And for,

he's in this for maybe three lines.

But there's just to kick you out of the reality of the movie.

I was like, hey, it's Richard Schiff.

Yay.

Remember when he was starting out and wasn't going to be able to do that?

Well, do you have to crazy about this?

Well, also, Ving Reims.

Oh, yeah.

Also, Ving Reims' amazing cameo at the beginning.

Except not a cameo.

cameo, it must have been just a job he had.

Yeah, exactly.

It's really weird, though, that the gun she pretends to shoot him with was his personal gun, I guess.

Like, because it wasn't a police department, you know,

the government-issued gun.

The gun that she says, go ahead, make your bed.

And so that's his personal gun that he's keeping in

his laundry hamper.

Yes.

Yes.

Do you think, are we supposed to understand that that's like the safe space for it?

That's the well, yeah.

If you don't have a gun box, a locked gun box, you put it in a, yeah, you put it on.

Everybody keeps it hamper.

It's soft, it's hidden.

Gotcha.

No thief is going to go through your house and look for your hamper.

There's dirty clothes in there, dirty underwear and stuff.

Like shit stains and stuff.

Gotcha.

So like the presence of shit stains makes, well, let's be honest, makes the hamper the perfect hiding place for almost anything.

Yeah.

All your money,

your jewels, your gold bars.

Yep, doubloons.

Yeah.

Treasure, basically.

Krugerans.

Gotcha.

The bearer bonds.

I will say, though, there is, you're right, the gun message of this movie is crazy because she can't buy a gun.

No.

And then she goes out and buys a gun illegally, and then there's a massacre from the guys who are selling guns.

It's a really, like, I mean, if you were to take away the big jokes,

it is very dark about gun control.

And a comical, almost suicide at the beginning.

Oh, you're right.

Who's the guy who's who's like, there's a lot of suicide stuff in this movie?

What's interesting is that I feel like this movie has,

you know, Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester's, for Sylvester.

Yes.

Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester, and he turned it down, and Eddie Murphy made it.

Right.

And it became a huge hit.

I think this movie was Sylvester's attempt to be like, oh, shit.

I blew it with that movie.

Right.

And so, and because I felt like there were elements of this that were similar to, you know, because Beverly Hills Cop has tons of murders, tons of, like, the stakes of it are really high.

I feel like they were trying to inject that into this, but it doesn't work.

Well, I mean, yeah, because the action scenes get real, like, are really big action scenes.

Like, he literally, at the end of the movie, is chasing an airplane with like a Mac truck.

And it's like ramming it.

Like, ramming an airplane.

Yeah, and you would see that in a Sylvester Stallone movie, but then it's all of a sudden like his mom's running around with her big purse and her little dog.

You know, so it's intermixed with very, like, tonally, this movie didn't know where it was.

I'm so confused.

I will point out one thing.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Estelle Getty did not want to use a gun.

She said, when Estelle Getty found out that the filming of the movie would involve guns, she said she would only do the movie if there were no guns in it.

The producers lied to her and told her that there would be no guns in the movie to get her to sign on.

And then when the movie came on, they gave her guns.

But I don't understand that because the movie is called

Stop or My Mom will shoot.

So when did she find out that there were guns in it?

I have no idea.

This could, I hope.

Not only that, but like the titular line is in the movie.

Yes.

He says out loud, stop or my mom will shoot.

Maybe Estelle Getty,

I don't know.

That was a bold power play.

Like, I'll do this movie as long as you take away the central conceit.

I just found her character to be like completely like, there's another version of this movie where we would understand, and I guess we were to understand that she really needed his love because she was alone and she didn't have a husband and her father died.

But to me, she seemed so unlovable.

Yeah.

Well, she's unreasonable.

She's a terrible listener.

She will not listen to anything anyone says.

Right, but I, and I can't believe I'm going to reference this movie, but Jack and Jill

does a really good job of making

Jill.

June?

No, I like June.

Can I talk to you for a second?

Can I talk to you for a second?

Yeah, sure.

June, what are you doing right now?

This is

June's thesis on Jack and Jill on the podcast.

Many people have asked, but here we go.

I love Jack and Jill.

Of course you do.

And Jill is played so lovably, and we understand why, yes, she's crazy.

Yes, she's way too needy, but I love her.

and I I think Jack should give her a shot whereas in this movie

when he says to his mom at the end you know I want you to stay yeah in my mind I'm thinking no she's been here way too long like let her go

I have no did you I guess what I'm asking is did you want to see the two of them together

to end mother his mom I was at the end of this movie there was a moment where I wanted them to have sex

there was a moment where I was like I was like, the only way to cut this tension is a pretty.

What is up with the scene where he like sticks his butt out in the air?

Oh, can we talk about that?

Can we talk about that?

Yes, where he is.

I can't believe I just got myself there by imagining them having sex.

It would be good.

Because you want to see him have sex with a white t-shirt and black tidy waist.

Yeah, in like in child's pose.

I was like, what is he doing right now?

It was like a presentation.

He was like, yeah, he was presenting.

He was really presenting.

As though it were a gift.

He also presents his ass in the shower scene, too.

He's like, Mom, get out of here.

And she's like, oh, I haven't seen anything that you don't have.

And it's like.

She has some line where she's like, I may be your mother, and I think it's in a shower scene, but I'm still a woman.

Oh, that's when she's talking to Gwen.

Yeah, she's talking to Gwen about his size.

About his dick.

Like, she appreciates his cock size because she's still a woman, even though.

And she, but wait, the way it comes up is she's showing Gwen Jo Beth Williams,

JBW.

JBW she's showing JBW pictures of him as a baby and she says look at look at him in this one he's playing in the sandbox or whatever and all the muscles even though he's nine years old all the muscles and you can tell he's gonna he's gonna have a big unit yeah it's like right there's no chance roughly of that I'm pretty sure she says a big unit but when she says I can appreciate that as a woman

I was kind of like right on.

You were?

Oh, I didn't like that.

I didn't like that.

She's saying, you know, I don't think she means her son's dick but she's just like hey listen what else she means we all love

i understand you're right what she's like i'm happy for you joe yes you're dbdubby you're getting i'm happy for you

i guess that's really the problem i have with the movie is i felt like it's incredibly misogynistic well like first of all the woman was a boss and yet she never she's so obsessed with him yeah and she's such a terrible lieutenant i mean she's horrible at her job and she wears awful shirts But that's probably because she's a woman and she was promoted above the men in an effort to like for equal, equal, to be equal, you know, rights for women.

But you're absolutely right.

So she was promoted even though she didn't deserve it because women can't do police work.

We all understand that

we know that.

Here's what was fucked up about it is that she really like she comes across as also wanting to mother him, but he's also

he's in a sexual relationship with her, but she has these moments where she's like, your toothbrush with the frogs on it was left.

See, that's what I think that was about.

Like, she felt that this mothering energy that was smothering.

But that was what his nightmare.

Remember his nightmare?

His nightmare was his diaper, and the mother's like, let me change you.

You cut over to JBW, and she goes, let me change you.

So he saw JBW as a mother figure, and also

changing him as a person.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he didn't have a chance.

Double meaning there.

He didn't know where to go.

And

that's the kind of levels that you're getting on this movie.

That's right.

There is, if you're wondering if there's a scene in which Sylvester is in a diaper and needs a change in.

Yeah, there is.

And that's very much in the vein of Beverly Hills Cop.

So

the thing I want to talk about, too, is the emotional scene between JBW and Estelle Getty, where Estelle Getty kind of reveals the backstory, why Sylvester is the way he is.

And that's because his father died, and Estelle Getty had a bag couple of days.

It was so small.

It was like, for a couple couple of days, I couldn't do anything.

It's like, yeah, of course,

yes, acceptable.

Yeah.

Your husband just passed away.

You would have a couple of days.

You've got a long road of grief ahead of you, actually.

She was almost like, for a long weekend, I was a little messed up.

And he really stepped in.

Yeah.

And then this became this really emotional scene, which felt incredibly out of place for this movie.

100%.

But then it was turned on its head because there was a joke at the very end where he came in and they were both crying hysterically.

And that was like played as a joke.

Okay, but wait, okay, so this scene is something that I was so mystified by because she sets up in, she puts into play this idea that his biggest problem is that he's never cried over the death of his father.

She says he never cried, and you know what?

He's never cried since that day.

And I think that's why he's afraid to let people in.

And I was like, oh, so at the end of the movie, he's going to cry, and he and Joe Beth Williams will be able to be together.

Nope, never cried.

No, and instead, he just recites to JBW what his mom says.

Yes.

Like he never actually makes a transition into a man who wants to be with he just.

He does not have free will.

But by the way.

That's what I'm saying.

What is the lesson in this movie?

Well, really, what are we to take away from it?

I mean, clearly three men wrote it, right?

So Blake Snyder and two other men.

Well, we got to talk about this Blake Snyder thing.

Well, continue with this talk because I want to.

But there's like layers of mommy issues in this movie, right?

It's such a reflection of the guys who wrote it

being so screwed up with their mothers.

Well, and also I have to say, like, it also reeks to me of that late 80s, early 90s fear of women bosses where it's like, well, I guess I better fuck them because I'm not going to take an order from.

Like, it's just so...

There's so much fear in this movie of women and what they're going to do.

Well, there was also a weird moment in the beginning, which I think I have a clip of, but I think it'd be better even to describe it, when the mom is showing the stewardesses, like, pictures of him as a baby.

Oh, my my gosh.

One of the women.

Should I play it?

I had that.

Do you have it?

Yeah, I do have it.

Play this.

All right, here we go.

I've given up shaving.

I shave.

Hi, Titty.

So this is little Joey.

Looks a lot different in clothes.

We've got to be getting along now, too.

But thanks a lot for showing us the photos.

You know, you look real sexy in those diapers.

Okay, there we go.

You looked real sexy in those diapers.

All objectified him on their way off the plane.

Yeah.

Like, they got done working a man man they had never met before, and then they basically

saw baby pictures of and are now

apparently just wept for him.

But also, how did they recognize him off his baby pic?

Because his

guy's talking to Estelgetti.

Estelgeti is talking.

Before, I'm telling you, before Estelgeti comes out,

they're just who notice him and give him like...

Oh, right, because

what did the first guy say to him when we got off the plane?

He's like, I was a bedwetter, too.

I was a bedwetter, too.

I didn't know him.

I would argue a Stelgetti has pictures all throughout his life.

That's what I would guess too.

She probably has adult pictures of him as well.

But that was a creepy-ass line.

Oh, you look real sexy.

And she comes in close and says it to him, like, real fucking pervy.

And by the way, if you...

But Doug, I was into it.

And we haven't really talked about it, but if you just think back to that music, we can actually play a clip of it.

This is the music that underscores.

Everything.

That music in what we just heard was so crazy.

Here's just a little taste more, just so you can really hear it without dialogue.

So picture this for 87 minutes.

It's never

being murdered.

Yeah, people are being murdered.

Or to a faster version of this music.

It's like a bad Disneyland jazz band throughout the entire movie.

It's like,

it's like, it's the soundtrack to like a lesser Woody Allen movie.

You know, like, like, I kind of am like, oh,

am I watching, what's it called?

The terrible.

I don't know why I can only think.

The Manhattan Murder Mystery.

Oh my God, that's one.

No, I was going to say the Helen Hunt one.

Oh, as good as it gets?

No.

Curse of the Jade Scorpion.

Thank you.

Curse of the Jade Scorpion.

That's well done.

That is a terrible Woody Allen.

Yeah, it's his worst.

I would say it's his word.

I would argue it's his worst.

What's the one with the guy from Deadwood and where it's about magic?

Is that the terrible one, too?

Oh, and Hugh Jankman?

Is that, yeah, the one where he's going to...

Scarlett Johansson and Hugh Jankman?

Yeah, that one, that one's pretty bad, and the one where he's doing

mischief or something.

I have not seen you guys.

Oh, that's a damn thing.

This is like

a there was like a period of three years where Woody Allen just put out, like, it was like, okay, I can top that being worse.

Here's one where I'm a director that goes blind and he's like bumping into walls.

And then he all of a sudden got back on trick.

In crimes and misdemeanors, sure, it was not pulled off, though.

Well, in the blind.

Guys, I love that we just turned this into an episode of How Did This Get Made About Woody Allen?

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I hear what you were saying, though, about wanting...

So one would think that there would be a moment where he starts crying.

I do think that...

There has to be.

That's what it was set up for.

Yeah, I think, I think.

I think what they were going for, and I don't know if this is because Sylvester wasn't able to muster up the tears.

I think Sylvester Stallone, sorry to interrupt you, does not want to cry on Phil.

Okay.

Has he ever?

Because I was going to say, I think it could

have been written in the moment where he's staring at the photograph, which, by the way, at one point in the movie, he pulls, simply pulls out a photograph of Joe Beth Williams and stares at it.

Oh, in the frame of the case.

He talks to himself.

Yes.

He talks to himself all the time in this movie.

Well, but he has a frame of Joe Beth Williams in his office where her office is only feet away.

He goes to the office to talk to this picture.

She's still at work and he is basically getting...

Because even when they were together, if he wanted to think of her or whatever, he could just simply look up.

Yes.

And also, she's his boss.

You can't have a framed picture of her on your desk.

That's really fucked up.

When was that picture ever on his desk?

When they were together for a while.

Really?

Did they really break up?

I have to say that's the big flaw in the movie, too, is that they have no chemistry.

Every time they're on screen together, it's like these people hate each other.

Can we talk about her and leading ladies of the 90s movies?

Sure.

Oh my God.

I want to, let's fucking get into it.

Bonnie Bedelia, go.

Ann Archer, go.

Archer's American.

Break it.

Elizabeth Perkins.

Who is the woman?

Go.

Gina Davis.

Yes.

Gina Davis.

Who is who I thought that was for a hot minute with a red walker?

Yeah, that big boofy hair.

She could not be any less attractive.

Is this a horror?

No.

adding to the misogyny of the movie is my take.

That she looks like she's a 70-year-old woman.

Yeah, she is not dressed, they don't play up her sexuality.

Right, right.

It's not Joe.

I will,

which is good because she's in the workplace, guys, and girls don't have to sex it up just to be the lieutenant of the police department, okay?

I will say there was one scene, and you'd have to go and watch it, but it's a scene where he is getting drunk and talking to her picture, where I felt like they were running late in their day.

They're like, oh shit, we're going to go over our 12 hours.

Get Jo Beth out of the trailer.

Well, she has no makeup on.

I don't care.

Shoot her side of the screen.

She looks good throughout, but then there's one scene where she is makeup less.

Like,

I swear to God, it was only on her clothes that was like, We gotta go.

We gotta go.

Don't touch anyone.

They were establishing is that she's in jeans.

It's after hours.

This is the dress down.

This is her, like, I agree with you, but I think the weird thing about the way her character comes off is it doesn't feel like, and this has nothing to do with her being a lieutenant.

Wait, after hours, she hangs out at the job?

Yeah, she changes.

She said she came in just to get some stuff.

Oh.

Yeah.

So it does feel like like she's a divorced woman with two kids.

That's what it

felt like to me not to be.

Can you write a movie that is that is the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this movie, where it's an entire movie that

Lieutenant Gwen Harper, her divorce, her two kids, and it ends with her meeting Sylvester Stillow for the first time.

It didn't feel to me like she was looking for a husband.

The energy that was coming off of her was like...

desperate craziness i i've lived i've

i'm looking for something to work here and also when they're talking about their trip to catalina and all the sexy things he did none of those sexy things happened right like they went to catalina and just laid in a bed together

he just like they actually laid in two separate beds across and he presented his ass to her i would believe it

i would believe if she fucked him for the weekend and catalina strapped it on

and got out he got into that position.

He loved she like pulled those down and she just went to town.

This shot was crazy.

I'm thinking about it.

That shot is mental.

It is

so crazy.

He puts his ass in the air like he's presenting it.

It's like a bonobo gorilla.

He's giving his ass to her.

It is the.

He's someone to eat out?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

If you put it that way, yes, exactly.

It's like he's wagging it around being like, hey,

anybody want to see what's up over here?

But then he snuggled.

Did you notice also how he snuggled into the bed, kind of in the fetal position?

Like, it's scary.

He is a very passive way.

He's a very sad character, by the way.

Very sad.

He's a deer head.

Oh, my God.

And it's apart.

Okay, I really want to talk about the

resurrection of this deer.

It's like

the gumball machine.

I want to talk about

the jack-o-lantern.

I think the jack-o'-lantern was a cookie jar.

I'm almost positive.

The jack-o'-lantern was a cookie jar.

So, it wasn't Halloween?

After I saw it, I was like, oh, I guess it's Halloween, and this is going to somehow tie in.

I don't know how, but like.

I'm still looking for clues, though.

Wait, Kate Spencer, did you just do a spit tick?

Okay, then there's another shot.

Another prop I really want to talk about is when he's lying in bed, I saw it in the ass shot.

There's a little lamp that's hanging over his bed that is

two?

Yes, that is two socks hanging off of it.

He's a dude.

He's a dude.

But why put your socks up there?

Because he's a dude.

He's just getting home.

He's putting his socks on a lamp, drying them out.

Oh my God.

He's going to wear the socks tomorrow.

Yeah, I have to wear socks just for one.

In a line.

Okay, in a line, when you're introduced to his apartment, on the table behind him is a bathtub rubber ducky.

Literally, these are decorations: a bathtub, rubber ducky,

a gumball machine.

Wait, this is in the kitchen.

This is in the kitchen.

This is like a countertop.

A gumball machine and a Jack-alastin cookie jar.

A giant glass jackal.

He shares the frame with all of those items.

By the way,

it's not indicative of anything of his character.

Not at all.

Like, his character is not like a fun-loving guy.

He doesn't eat a cookie once.

If I saw those three things, I would be like a child molester lives here.

Like not all of these things are for children.

Wait a second.

Maybe what he does.

Maybe what I could argue.

Okay, I'm now going to argue why it's happening.

That he is that they that they say and this also explains some of his behavior is that he is like still a child.

He stunted it blah blah blah because of his mom mom, blah, blah, blah.

So they were like, so that means like, let's put kid-like stuff around the apartment.

You know what I mean?

Like, let's put it on the side.

Play the deer head on the wall.

Because he's not a hunter.

Yeah.

It's never acknowledged.

Well, by the way, I don't even understand what kind of cop he is because in the beginning, you would assume he was a good cop.

He did this.

He busted, like, he beat down Ving Rames.

He busted these guys.

He saved all the Panasonic TVs.

But then one detective comes and was like, hey, Detective Alka Selzer.

What was that about?

I have no idea what that means.

And And then they're like, and then he's, you know, just kind of saying, like,

you're a bad cop.

I'm like, is he?

We've only seen him excel at police outside.

Yeah, because they established, too, that he's just a sergeant and his mom is like, you're never going to move up.

And that sergeant's out of high position, but then he's the one who goes in and rescues the suicide jumper.

Yeah, yeah.

I think here's what I think.

I think the other people in the force in that precinct are very upset that he's having an affair with the boss.

And that's why I think that guy's upset.

Because if you look, all of their scenes, Sylvester and JBW scenes in the office behind behind them through those blinds right yeah people are watching and looking at the moment guys guys we have not talked about the extras in this movie

the extras in this movie are non-stop amazing the people that fill out the rest of the police station are hilarious at a certain point when Sylvester and Selgeti get into a fight on the street Sylvester's on the street the mom is in the doorway of his house It's nighttime.

Upwards of 20 bystanders just appear to watch them fight.

People are hanging out of windows.

People are like, and it is, all of them are so animated and are so, are overacting so much.

Like one of them is like, she's right.

Like it is crazy.

That's a running theme of the movie is that anytime like the outside public hears that Sylvester has problems with his mom, they feel, they all feel collectively that he's in the wrong and she's in the wrong.

The best, the best version of that is when he's trying to save his mom from going to the airport, they frame a shot where

his mom is like on the back of a golf cart driving through an airport lounge, and he's having this dramatic scene with his mom, and the guy driving the golf cart is like, mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like he's so center framed.

It's awkward, but he's got to react.

Like you, you could clearly tell her, yeah, just pick a sign.

He's like, but she's like, you don't like me.

He's like, yeah, yeah.

Like, it's really, it's a funny scene you should watch.

I can't describe it more than that.

It's like an awkward extra placement.

They should have just moved it off the golf cart for a second.

Yeah, or just had that guy get off and move luggage for some people so that he's out of the shop.

Don't frame it as a three-shot when one of the people is a non-established extra.

Can I?

This has been bothering me for 24 hours.

The criminal who has a cold, and that the cold is a running theme throughout the whole movie

so he can just have the sneeze that then shows them that he's there in the lobby.

Long way to go for that.

It was a real sneeze.

That sneeze is worthless.

Like, they are on the trail anyway.

Right.

The sneeze doesn't prove anything.

The sneeze is.

Although there was an amazing moment where the boss man said when his two henchmen were

one who

has a cold, when a Stalgetti and Sylvester are about to show up, he needs them to hide somewhere and he says,

go into the side office.

Everyone has one.

Of course, yes.

It's a side office.

What was his deal?

That villain was so bad.

I feel like the sneeze brings us back to the an idea that we have to definitely talk about which is one of the writers of this movie

is blake snyder now blake snyder has made uh rip god rest his soul uh has made his career he's he's dead yeah he died a few years ago oh i didn't know that um writing a book called save the cat save the cat has like become like the new kind of go-to how you write a movie book yeah like and i would say first of all i was looking for a save the cat moment we were were talking about this before we switched.

Which is a Save the Cat moment is a moment normally at the beginning of the movie which endears you to

saying there's no lovability in either of them, I don't think.

I think it was that, I think it didn't come until you find out he planned his father's funeral when he was 13 years old.

Yeah, that was the only moment where I was like, oh, he's okay.

Well, in my mind, I thought the only Save the Cat moment was when he shot at that sign and it fell down on the crook's side.

I was like, oh, okay, yeah.

Like an A-team episode?

Yeah.

Do you realize there's two occasions in this movie where he shoots a chain?

Yes.

He shoots a chain and it breaks that sign and then the wrecking ball.

Yeah.

Like that's how good he is.

He can shoot a chain and it will break.

But you see, like to me, this is like the sweaty stuff of Save the Cat.

Like the sneeze thing goes back to like, well, establish a game and that game will undo the final thing.

And the and also like the first and the last shot, like in the first scene of the movie, Sylvester Stallone like shoots a sign down and then literally pulls the gun up to his mouth and blows it like you would do as a kid playing like guns, you you know, like, and you know, like, whatever, he says a line.

And at the end of the movie, Estelle Getty shoots somebody,

blows the smoke,

shoots him in the shoulder.

She's a shitty shot.

That's what infuriated me.

She didn't even kill the bad guy.

No, she, yes.

See, and that, to me, the problem with the movie also is that one would think that it would be her,

what irritates him about her, you know,

should somehow help him in the end get the bad guy or the kooky ways in which she is and her personality should ultimately come back and help save the day.

What happens in the movie is just she knocks people over the head with pants and then shoots them.

Like there's no

skill that's used

in an interesting way.

I would like this movie where Sylvester Stallone's mom is coming in, but also the bad guy's mom is also coming in and they have dual.

That would actually be great.

A great

movie.

I would have liked it only if Jackie Stallone had played Sylvester, if his real mother had played.

Have you ever heard her on like

her?

And she's like a so-called lunatic.

The movie is a bummer, though, because you sort of have this feeling at the end where even if he does get rid of her, he's saddled with his other mother figure.

It's just such a depressed life view about women and their role in a man's life.

It was like so, it was such a bummer.

And he didn't want to be with her anyway.

No, there was no like,

except for him staring at a picture frame.

Well, he genuinely

that liked her at all.

There is something really kind of crazy about his.

Because he did eat all that breakfast, too.

Like, what human way, like, when his partner, his partner, also the worst partner of all time, because he is glass

butt.

But sometimes they say he was shot in the bust.

He was shot.

They're like, oh, your partner got shot.

But no, it was very clear that he had glass in his ass.

He thought he was shot.

He was so inconsistent.

Yeah, he thought he was shot.

And then

Sylvester pulled a piece, a shard of glass out of his ass.

He was a terrible cop.

No wonder his mom was a better partner.

I fully believe everybody was a terrible cop.

Every single crime scene Sylvester arrived on, he inexplicably immediately became the lead detective

and walks through without any hesitation.

And he's always in civilian clothes.

So there's nothing to determine that he is a And there was like they came across a guy, a guy who was gonna jump out of a building, a bank robbery in process.

Oh, no, that was the dream scene.

The woman who had been kidnapped in the house with a weed poster oh right oh my god oh my god you know those people are bad because they framed a pit like a poster of weed and he had a weed that guy the fat criminal had a weed pit like pin on his vest oh my god so that was it because that's how you established that was his house by the way the other crazy moment and one of the the more upsetting scenes to me was when sylvester and the criminal are sitting down at a table drinking chocolate milk that a stelgetti has served to them and she walks out and then they both look at each other and they're talking for a while and they have chocolate milk all over their mouths.

Again, a classic Beverly Hillscott move.

Yep.

They have a very legal weapon.

Maybe they were like eating each other's asses out.

Maybe they're presented as a message.

Do you think that's the subtext of that scene?

I mean, I would hope if Blake Snyder wrote it, I would hope that that is what we're doing.

This is what's like really just.

I know I keep on saying the movie's misogynistic, which it is, but it also to me is like a very sad portrayal of men because

the takeaway is like, oh, men are also very young boys.

Yeah, all men are boys.

All women are mommies.

And all women are nettles.

Come and change my die die.

Also, they never address the fact that Estelle Getty is a terrible person because she withholds evidence in a murder case.

Oh, yes.

So she does not want to help solve a crime, just wants to help her.

Like, that's sociopathic.

Yeah.

Yes.

I know.

I want to believe that you are right, June, and that this is a misery-style

sociopath movie.

Yeah, you feel like this, you feel what she needs out of him.

Again, much like, you know, not like Jack and Jill, where you actually do feel like that.

All right, Jack and Jill.

I want you to, we should do an episode where

you thought, yeah.

Um, let's actually just play one of the scenes where Sylvester is very upset with his mom, and he tells the Joe Beth Williams with Sylvester and his girlfriend, just to hear, like, where he's frustrated, because I think this is a good little scene here.

It was before she witnessed a drive-by killing.

Well, a came and fought her back?

Now you are being rude.

Oh, come on, Gwen, if she stays bad as Monday, I swear to God, I'm killing myself.

What is wrong with you, Joe?

Tootie seems like a wonderful person.

Warm, caring, obviously crazy.

Crazy is right.

She acts like I'm a second-grade baby.

She talks to total strangers about my diaper red.

She just humiliates me.

I'd say she loves you, Joe.

But her love is driving me nuts.

Well, either way, she's staying.

There we go.

Just so just so the what again, the most shoe-horn plot device.

She's gotta stay with you because she's a.

And there's another suicide reference.

That's three.

And this light cop.

This is a dark movie.

I also, I know it's still best.

I think it's a business out to our audience to cut a trailer for this movie that makes it seem like a horror movie.

That would be amazing.

You could easily do it.

There's so many shots of her that are spooky.

And if you change the music from like clown car music to actual scary music.

Oh, my gosh.

He talks like he has a muffin in his mouth.

All the time.

All the time.

And I know that's his thing, but it's in that scene, he's holding a dog, and I couldn't understand anything he was saying.

It is, it is, he is talking.

he also is talking at times so slowly in scenes, it's as if he's never spoken the words before.

And you know what?

When we were talking about the props, I actually thought to myself, I think the eye had to go to the props and to the surrounding because the scene was so long and he was talking so slowly.

He is, it is like when he's opening his mouth to talk, it is like a black hole opens and I don't care what any of it says and nothing happens.

But for someone who can't talk, he has a lot of monologues in his movie.

I mean, but for someone who can't talk, you shouldn't be doing a comedy because that would be where the majority of the movie would be.

How about the I'll be back?

Back joke?

Oh, yeah.

How weird was that?

There were major references in this movie that were so funny.

So

Estelle Getty says, I'll be back.

And he's like, why'd you say that?

And I'm like, what?

Is this like a play?

Is this like him taunting Arnold from his own movie?

Yes.

Because at the time, they were like the two big dogs, you know?

And this came out the year that Terminator 2 came out.

Oh, really?

This is why I watched watched this movie, and it was, I can't, like, 1992 was not a terrible year.

Like, this movie felt more, if I had watched it in 92, it would have felt 20 years old.

Well, that's what I feel like.

I feel like it feels like,

it feels like if you said this, it was like, yeah, it felt like it should have been an early 80s movie or something.

The title and everything is very like, honey, I shrunk the kids.

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

It just felt like that.

Like, here's a really, you know,

the fact that the title's called Don't Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.

No, don't stop or my mom will shoot.

But don't forget, Don't Throw Mama from the Train.

Yes, that's where I get

it.

But no, but here's the other one.

And I just checked.

Don't throw a Mama from the Train.

Do you remember this movie?

Throw Mama from the Train.

Cop and a Half,

which was Cop and a Half was

Burt Reynolds paired up with a very young tiny kid.

So his partner was a little kid, and that was like his partner.

It was also Turner and Hooch, right?

Which is a cop and a hoof.

Oh, yes.

Turner and Hooch.

And that was A9.

Yeah.

Like, there is, when I finished the movie on Netflix, all of the recommended movies, because I'd just watched it, was like

a cavalcade of disastrous movies from this exact movie.

Well, people are like, buddy cop movies are popular.

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I do want to talk about one thing here about his clothes.

Clearly, I think Sylvester Salone, while shooting the movie, had like a change.

First of all, his pants are always up way too high.

He's wearing high-waisted jeans, basically.

Yes.

Yes.

Which I guess that's just what jeans were then.

I think so.

Right?

Yeah.

All jeans were like that.

But the shirts, like there was a shirt problem throughout the whole movie, right?

Oh, yeah.

Yes.

Because he gets, I felt like in the middle of the movie, he changed to Hawaiian shirts.

for I mean he had not really Hawaiian shirts just like like very

patterny shirts.

If like Bill Cosby had like shirts instead of sweaters this would be what he was.

Like the costume designer from the Cosby show was on hiatus from the Cosby Show and came over and did this movie.

I'll do this.

I actually felt like there was a

there was a vision for his character in terms of the way he looked that

was more boyish and more in line with the ducks and the jack-lantern and stuff.

And he like I was feeling like he refused to wear that stuff.

And so he wore these kind of tight t-shirts and jeans.

Corduroy jackets.

Yeah, like it was, it felt like, well, this tells me nothing about your character.

Like, I'd have no idea what I'm watching here.

But I will say, J.B.

Dubbs was impeccably dressed in some power suits.

Oh, she was rocking it out.

She really set that up.

What about the final line of the movie?

Of Stalgetti, you know, notices somebody she saw in America's Most Wanted on the screen.

Sylvester Salone chases it down again, becomes the lead cop because another cop just hands him his handcuffs.

Why is that guy at the airport with a gun?

Yeah, no reason.

No reason.

What and just to shoot at

she

coincidentally

had killed him.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah.

Like he says, she goes, I remember what he did.

He killed his mother, slow close-up onto Sylvester Stallone, weird smile, and freeze.

That's the end of the movie.

Freeze fright.

Well, I thought what happened, maybe I'm wrong, is that he sort of shared a look with the guy.

Right.

Like, I get it.

Yeah.

And then freeze frame.

I thought he didn't share a look with the guy.

I thought he was looking at his mom, like, can you blame him?

That's what I thought.

That's exactly what I thought.

Because I'd like to put a bullet in you.

It's basically the subtext of that.

She, in the whatever, three weeks that she is in Los Angeles, witnesses

a

drive-by murder.

She happens upon so much chaos and craziness that it's unphased.

She's on phase.

Someone is shot to death in front of her, and she's just kind of like,

but I have to say, this was watching the movie.

I'm like, wow, this was my image of L.A.

at that time, like with drive-bys and stuff.

Like, I was like, oh, I guess that's what Los Angeles.

Trucks of guns activities.

So this movie just proved to you

a documentary, right?

Wait, what?

It looks like an Errol Morris movie.

Wait, what?

I mean, by the way,

we talked about it very briefly, but the bad guy is so terrible in this, Roger Reese, who I think was like the love interest on Cheers.

Oh, he was.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, right.

But he was, like, I don't even know.

I don't actually even understand what the plot is.

I don't know.

I don't know what this was.

And they solve it.

Like, they sit at a picnic table outside and look at documents and figure out what the mystery is.

So she never helps actually, like you were saying with her like wacky mom ways.

Like a pineapple.

they don't tie it.

Those aren't going to come back.

They never come back.

Although she did make a cake.

She made it with all those pineapples.

I laughed when she opened that suitcase.

Because to me, that's something that that's what's so weird about the fact that Blake Snyder wrote this is that those things, those tropes of like using all of her games to come back and help save the day, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a good movie, but it was sort of shocking to know like, oh, that's not even.

Like, I mean, I would argue that you could not describe Sylvester Stolen's character with an adjective.

Because you don't really see him being unemotional.

They say he is unemotional.

You don't see it.

You don't know if he's a good cop or a bad cop.

The mother goes, I mean, she's also, every character is a.

She's a terror.

They're all terrible people.

Everybody in this movie has...

like borderline personality disorder.

Yeah.

They genuinely do not seem to understand basic human interactions, empathy.

Like nobody is in control of anything.

Like, it is, everyone is a stone-cold disaster.

And no one genuinely likes each other.

No.

They all fucking hate each other.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

He gives the other guy a swirly.

Yeah.

An adult man gives another adult man a swirly.

And not really even commented on after the fact.

It's like, if guys are going to fight who are cops, they're not going to give each other like

swirlies.

That happens a lot in the basics in LA.

That was the whole rampart scandal.

Estelle says to him at some point that she wants to spank him.

No, no, she says that to the bad guy.

Yeah.

She says that to the bad guy.

She's like, I'm going to pull your pants down

and give you a spanking.

Oh, mom.

I mean, that was some sexy ass shit right there.

Well, she knows a pain when she looks at it.

You can also cut a trailer for this movie, guys, that is a porno.

Yes, or is about Estelle and Sylvester.

It's like, oh,

cut a romantic comedy trailer.

A mom-com trailer?

Like, for this

to fall.

For an incest movie.

I love that.

For a sexy incest movie like Spanking the Monkey.

But funny.

Obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are some people who have a larger, a better opinion.

These are reviews called from Amazon five-star reviews.

I'll read you, both of them could be a joke.

I don't know, but they're both well written.

I think they're worth reading.

This one's from Timoti.

Sylvester Stallone stars in another comedy.

Why?

I don't know, but it's a real comedy.

His mom is the most annoying person in the world, and it reminded me of all my friends' moms.

Reminisce.

Stallone is a police officer, as usual, and his mom packs a wallop as well.

What are the odds?

And from the beginning credit of this picture showing you the old woman pulling out a revolver and shooting a stop sign, I knew this movie would never be forgotten.

One diabolical moment showed Stallone in a diaper.

Outrageous.

I don't want to see that again.

Universal needs to put this movie on DVD as soon as they can because mothers fighting against crime love it, and so do I.

Oh my god.

So that could be real or fake.

I feel like that sounds real.

And this one, this is another long one, but it's worth it.

This is one of those movies panned by critics, but both endearing and of enduring value.

Chemistry, perfect casting for the comedic tension, poetic acting.

The plot plot is a twisted acting.

Poetic acting?

Yes.

The plot is

poetic acting.

The plot is a twisted, timeless cliché, ignored and bemused by

seriously real characters.

Stallone, as the strapping adult son befuddled and arrested by his tiny mom, is hilarious.

Estelle Getty puts it all together as a mom who variously is tenacious.

quintessential, sympathetic, dejected, and sly.

Jo Beth Williams excels in her role as a romantic interest in the the comedic setup, but Estelle becomes our mom, the universal mom experience.

And she busy bodies her way into the impossible action-adventure situations and standard detective novel dysfunction romance.

What makes this movie so great is its profound and uplifting humor, created through a sum greater than its parts, a common fantasy story interrupted by an everyday mom, an omnibus, well-played,

five stars by Wilhelm.

That That is a really

ludicrous poetic acting.

Quintessential.

Quintessential.

Profound.

Oh, man.

So that is that.

I will also tell you what Sylvester Stallone said.

Do it in a Stallone voice.

Do it in a Stallone voice.

Maybe one of the worst films I've ever been to.

Maybe one of the worst films in the entire solar system, including alien productions, which we've never seen.

A flatworm could write a better script.

And in some countries, China, I believe, running the movie once a week on a government television has lowered the birth rate to zero.

If they ran it twice, every 20 years China would be extinct.

Wait.

He did some math there, though.

Did you say a worm could have written a better flat worm?

A flat worm could have written a better script.

Not just any worm.

A full act worm.

By the way, that's fucking hilarious.

That's really funny.

But this is when, this is why I question why he did the movie because he's one of those secret smart people.

Yeah.

Because he wrote Rocky, right?

Rambo.

And he's written everything that he's writing.

And then, what was this?

I know he probably wanted to do comedy.

It's the early 90s, but the choices.

He was paying for steroids with this one.

This is like paying off a house or a vacation thing.

It's so crazy.

Because it is so bad.

But they're also three writers.

So you feel like

Blake Snyder was like, wrote the first draft.

It might have been funny.

And they're like, we got to bring the Stolen Alone guys too.

And all three writers in there produced an 86-minute movie.

Which launched a bidding war.

If I read the Wiki.

According to the Wikipedia page, there was a bidding war for this movie.

Oh, my gosh.

What?

What?

I mean, really?

I think alone.

Look, Getty, cop movie, moms, it's going to be great.

Holy shit.

That's depressing.

Would you guys recommend seeing this movie to anyone?

I think it's, yes, it would.

Sure, why not?

Sure.

I mean, it's terrible.

It's terrible, but it's very

watchable.

It's on Netflix and it's on Netflix.

It's watchable.

I did get a genuine laugh in this movie.

One genuine laugh, and I was embarrassed to admit it, but there's a scene where he's like shaving or brushing his teeth, and they pull out to reveal that Estelle Getty is literally in front of him and like between the bathroom mirror and him.

Because she's so short, you could hide it.

So she's like underneath him, like yelling at him.

But I thought that was.

I want to say, I think we're putting a lot on Sylvester.

I actually really think the bigger problem was with her.

Wow.

I've never heard anyone place the blame blame on a steady i know i know

i felt like she's doing something we've already seen her do on gold hair girls like there was nothing different

not pulling any punches finally

taking off because she was

italian she was

boblowski bobloski right

than a sophia character i think that that's why you can argue she never did another i mean she did two other movies but they were very far between so you wouldn't characterize her as a feminist icon did you see that she did you feel that she loved sylvester yes you did i feel like i genuinely felt like she wanted to fuck him yeah i i i felt something maybe she trained her to present that's you know she was the youngest of the golden girls yeah yeah and died so is a crazy stat i feel like she might die every night and they reanimate her every morning like in some sort of fucked up

weekend at bernie's yep hey anyone that keep off their rockers on the air which go check it out it's

it is really good.

It's actually a good show.

It is.

June.

June.

I will say this.

June, what are you talking about?

I was the one.

June had the same reaction, and I made her watch it.

And because Rob Hubel told me, he's like, you got to watch Off Their Rockers.

Like, I'm not watching that.

What are you talking about?

We may have been a little stoned, but it was really good.

So you're watching Jack and Jill and Off Their Rockers at them?

Well, I saw Jack and Jill in the theaters.

And with that, we bid you adieu.

Thank you, everybody, for listening.

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That's very easy.

Thank you for having me.

Oh my gosh, we're so excited to have you.

You can follow me on Twitter at Paul Shearer.

At Miss June Diane.

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You know.

That's not happening.

Issue two of my comic book is out in the stores.

Aliens vs.

Parker.

You can get it online.

You can get it in stores.

Thank you guys so much.

We'll see you next time.

Bye-bye.

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