Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot w/ Kate Spencer (HDTGM Matinee)

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It's a buddy cop movie where one of the buddies is a mommy. We saw the Sylvester Stallone Estelle Getty classic, Stop or My Mom Will Shoot.
So you know what that means.

Now it's time for

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Hello, people of Earth and welcome to another episode of How Did This Get Made? I am joined, as always, by my two amazing co-hosts, Jason Manzukas. What's happening?

And June, Diane Rayfield, how are you, June? Good. How are you, Paul? Very good.
I am Paul Scheer, by the way. I never introduce myself.
And we have a very special guest.

There's a lot of people listening today who are like,

finally, I know. So people did comment on that.
They're like, why don't you ever introduce yourself? It's like, you got it. You figured it out.

I don't, like, you don't accidentally stumble across a podcast. There's a lot of conscious steps taken.
I know who the other two are, but who's the guy talking?

For the five people who wanted to know, now you know. Mystery solved.
We have a very special guest today. You might follow her on Twitter.

Very funny. Kate Spencer.
Welcome, Kate Spencer, to the show. She is, how are you, Kate? I am great.
I'm so glad to be here, you guys. We're very excited to have you.
This is our.

What is happening, Kate. You just had a baby.
I did. Four weeks ago, I gave birth, and the first movie

was four weeks ago. Oh, I didn't know it was not really.
It was very soon. The first movie she saw was Stopper, My Mama 2.
She sat on my lap

and watched it with me last night. Yeah.

That's how I want to watch a movie.

Sitting on a girl's lap with a mouthful of tit. All right, guys?

What? Don't make it right.

What? Kate is our guest.

Specter. That's right.
Spectre. Just some popcorn and some boob juice.
Boob juice. Boob juice.
Boob juice. So I mentioned this in our.
A little bit of the boob juice. There's a boob juice.
Boob juice.

I mentioned this in our mini-episode. This is our Roger Ebert tribute episode here because Roger Ebert has called this movie the worst film he ever saw.
Ever.

And Roger Ebert, you could argue he's seen a lot of movies. Yeah.
This was the worst. That's pretty impressive.
Yeah.

I found entertainment in this movie. I'm excited too.
But mostly from the point of view of like, what the fuck is happening? Well, that's exactly it.

Like, to me, it's like more like indicative of a weird time and like what was going on. Like, how was this brought to Sylvester Stallone? Like, okay.
Yeah.

It's a cop movie. You're going to, it's going to, but your partner is your mom.
Yeah.

I actually think there's a really like good movie in there and a really strong idea. It's just completely insane.

Like the weird thing about the weirdest thing about this movie to me is the tonal shifts.

There are several shots of Estelle Getty

that make it seem as though this is a horror film. Does anyone else agree?

There were moments, really close close-ups, where she was delivering lines very seriously, where it looked like

this is a fucking scary movie. Like meso-type scary

about an obsessive mother and I feel weird and I feel scared

because I'm telling you I felt scared this this bit of interpretation is really fascinating I think might say more about you no because then we jump out of it and it was a comedy again but there were several moments where I was like oh my god this is spooky would you argue

I didn't scream but I didn't feel

safe no I didn't I really didn't would you argue that maybe maybe Estelle Getty was so good? The close-ups, there's a lot of close-up work in this movie. A lot of tight close-ups.

And sometimes you would think they'd be punching in for like joke lines, but sometimes not so much. It's just...
See, I guess what I'm saying is when she would shift to her badass

mode, I had no history for where that was coming from. She wasn't, like, all I got was that she was from Newark, and so I guess knew the streets a little bit.

But it was like such a, she was like, she's the Corey Booker of her day. Right, but it was such a drastic shift into like this badass mode that to me read as like that's that's very scary.

Well, I will tell you the moment that I felt really uncomfortable with in this movie. There's a moment, and it's a joke moment, but she cleans Sylvester's gun.

We're just calling him Sylvester. Oh, yeah, Sylvester.
Just Sylvester.

Full name, but just the first name. Exactly.
So that's how you lie.

Not Sylvia. Not Slier.

Sylvester.

When When he does comedies.

That's what we've chosen. When he does comedies, he is Sylvester, the comedian.
When he does action movies, he is Stallone.

He's very method like that.

She takes a gun, a loaded gun, and points it in his face.

I had the same thought.

Whenever

we learn it's not loaded

because he takes the clip out and it's full of water. Okay, but still.

And

we did see her take out the bullets when she was in the laundry.

But it was still scary. I agree.
Because before that when she takes the what is definitely the loaded gun and looks down the barrel of it. That's what I'm saying.
I was like, scary moments.

If this fucking woman shoots herself in the head right now, at minute 22. It's a classic.
Didn't it feel like weird?

I'm going to totally be the downer, but like there was a gun control message to this movie that felt very applicable to 2013.

Like when she tried to buy the gun and there was a two-week cooling off period, I was like, Richard Schiff. Wow.
Yes. Richard Schiff tells her she is.

I mean, like, I love those moments when somebody, like, that just is Toby from the West Wing to me.

And for he, this, he's in this for maybe three lines.

But there's

a flick you out of the reality of the. I was like, hey, it's Richard Schiff.
Yay. Remember when he was starting out and wasn't going to be able to do that? Well, the craziest thing about that.

Well, also, Ving Reims. Oh, yeah.
Also, Ving Reims, amazing cameo at the beginning.

Except not a cameo. It must have been just a job he had.
Yeah, exactly.

It's really weird, though, that the gun she pretends to shoot him with was his personal gun, I guess.

Because it wasn't a police department, you know,

the government issued guns. The gun that she says, go ahead, make your bed.
And so that's his personal gun that he's keeping in

his laundry hamper? Yes. Yes.
Do you think, are we supposed to understand that that's like the safe space for it? That's the well, yeah.

If you don't have a gun box, a locked gun box, you put it in a gun. Everybody keeps it in a hamper.

It's soft, it's hidden. Gotcha.
No thief is going to go through your house and look for your hamper. Well, it's got dirty clothes in there, dirty underwear and stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like shit stains and stuff. Yeah.
Gotcha. So like the presence of shit stains makes, well, let's be honest, makes the hamper the perfect hiding place for almost anything.
Yeah. All your money,

your jewels, your gold bars. Yep, doubloons.
Yeah. Treasure, basically.
Kruegerands. Gotcha.

The bearer bonds. I will say, though, there is, you're right, the gun message of this movie is crazy because she can't buy a gun.
No. And then she goes out and buys a gun illegally.

And then there's a massacre from the guys who are selling guns. It's a really, like, I mean, if you were to take away the big jokes, it is very dark about gun control.

And a comical, almost suicide at the beginning. Oh, you're right.
Goofy guy who's like, there's a lot of suicide stuff in this movie. What's interesting is that I feel like this movie has.

You know, Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester's chip for Sylvester. Yes.
Beverly Hills Cop was written for Sylvester, and he turned it down, and Addie Murphy made it. Right.

And it became a huge hit. I think this movie was Sylvester's attempt to be like, oh, shit.
I blew it with that movie. Right.

And so, and because I felt like there were elements of this that were similar to, you know, because Beverly Hills Cup has tons of murders, tons of, like, the stakes of it are really high.

I feel like they were trying to inject that into this, but it doesn't work. Well, I mean, yeah, because the action scenes get real, like, are really big action scenes.

Like, he literally, at the end of the movie, is chasing an airplane with like a Mac truck. Yeah.
And it's like. And ramming it.

Like like ramming an airplane yeah and you would see that in a Sylvester Stallone movie but then it's all of a sudden like his mom's running around with her per her big purse and her little dog you know so it's it's intermixed with very like tonally this movie didn't know all of where it was so confused

I will point out one thing just I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off the uh Estelle Getty did not want to use a gun.

She said when Estelle Getty found out that the filming of the movie would involve guns, she said she would only do the movie if there were no guns in it.

The producers lied to her and told her that there would be no guns in the movie to get her to sign on. And then when the movie came on, they gave her guns.

But I don't understand that because the movie is called

Stop or My Mom will shoot. So when did she find out that there were guns in it? I have no idea.
This could, I hope. Not only that, but like

the titular line is in the movie. Yes.
He says out loud, stop or my mom will shoot. Maybe Estelle Getty,

I don't know. That was a bold power play.
Like, I'll do this movie as long as you take away the central conceit. I just found her character to be like completely.

like there's another version of this movie where we would understand, and I guess we were to understand that she really needed his love because she was alone and she didn't have a husband and

her father died. But to me, she seemed so unlovable.
Yeah. Well, she's unreasonable.

She's a terrible listener. She will not listen to anything anyone says.
Right, but I and I can't believe I'm going to reference

the movie, but Jack and Jill

does a really good job of making

Jill. June? No, I like June.
Can I talk to you for a second? Can I talk to you for a second about it?

Yeah, sure.

June, what are you doing right now? This is

a few of you. I am so excited to get June's thesis on Jack and Jill on the podcast.
Many people have asked about here. I love Jack and Jill.
Of course you do.

And Jill is played so lovably, and we understand why, yes, she's crazy. Yes, she's way too needy, but I love her.
And I think

Jack should give her a shot. Whereas in this movie,

when he says to his mom at the end, you know, I want you to stay,

in my mind, I'm thinking, no, she's been here way too long. Like, let her go.

I have no, did you, I guess what I'm asking is, did you want to see the two of them together?

Does that happen to end

his mom? I was.

There was a moment where I wanted them to have sex.

There was a moment where I was like, I was like, the only way to cut this tension is a pretty... What is up with the scene where he like sticks his butt out in the air? Oh, can we talk about that?

Can we talk about that? Yes, where he waits. I believe I just got myself there by imagining them having sex.
It would be good to see that.

Does you want to see him have sex with a white t-shirt and black tidy waist? Yeah, in like in child's pose.

I was like, what is he doing right now? It was like a presentation. He was like, yeah, he was presenting.
He was really presenting.

And as though they were a gift, he also presents his ass in the shower scene, too. He's like, mom, get out of here.
And she's like, oh, I haven't seen anything that you don't have.

But she has some line where she's like, I may be your mother, and I think it's in a shower scene, but I'm still a woman.

Oh, that's what she's talking to Gwen. Yeah, she's talking to Gwen and she's about his size.
About his dick.

Like, she appreciates his cock size because she's still a woman, even though.

But wait, the way it comes up is she's showing Gwen, Joe Beth Williams,

JBW.

JVW. She's showing JBW pictures of him as a baby.

And she says, look at him in this one. He's playing in the sandbox or whatever.
And all the muscles, even though he's nine years old, all the muscles. And you can tell

he's going to have a big unit. Yeah.
It's like, right? There's no chance. She says roughly of that.
I'm pretty sure she says a big unit. But when she says, I can appreciate that as a woman,

I was kind of like right on. You were? Oh, I didn't like that.
I didn't like the girl.

She's saying, you know, I don't think she means her son's dick, but she's just like, hey, listen, what else does she mean? We all love you.

I understand. You're right.
What she means is like, I'm happy for you, Joe. Yeah,

you're getting it. I'm happy for you.

I guess that's really the problem I have with the movie is I felt like it's incredibly misogynistic. Well, like, first of all, the fact that.
The woman was a boss.

And yet she never

obsessed with him. Yeah, and she's such a terrible lieutenant.
I mean, she's horrible at her job. And she wears awful shirts.

But that's probably because she's a woman and she was promoted above the men in an effort to like for equal, to be equal, you know, rights for for women.

So she was promoted, even though she didn't deserve it, because women can't do police work. We all understand.

Here's what was fucked up about it is that she really, like, she comes across as also wanting to mother him, but he's also,

he's in a sexual relationship with her, but she has these moments where she's like, your toothbrush with the frogs on it.

See, that's what I think that was about.

Like, she felt that this mothering energy that was smothering her. But that was his nightmare.
Remember his nightmare?

His nightmare was his diaper, and the mother's like, let me change you.

You cut over to JBW, and she goes, let me change you.

So he saw JBW as a mother figure, and also

changing him as a person. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he didn't have a chance. Double meaning there.
He didn't know what to do.

And that's, I mean, that's the kind of levels that you're getting on this movie. That's right.
There is, if you're wondering if there's a scene in which Sylvester is in a diaper and needs a change in.

Yeah. There is.

And that's very much in the vein of Beverly Hills Cop. So

the thing I want to talk about, too, is the emotional scene between JBW and Estelle Getty, where Estelle Getty kind of reveals the backstory, why Sylvester is the way he is.

And that's because his father died, and Estelle Getty had a bad couple of days. It was so small.
It was like, for a couple of days, I couldn't do anything. It's like, yeah, of course.
Of course.

Yes, acceptable. Yeah.
Your husband just passed away. You would have a couple days of.
You've just got a long road of grief ahead of you, actually.

She was like, she was almost like, for a long weekend, I was a little messed up, and he really stepped in. Yeah.

And then this became this really emotional scene, which felt incredibly out of place for this movie. 100%.

Well, but then it was turned on its head because there was a joke at the very end where he came in and they were both crying hysterically. And that was like played as a joke.
Okay, but wait. Okay.

So this scene is something that I was so mystified by because she sets up in, she puts into play this idea that his biggest problem is that he's never cried over the death of his father.

She says he never cried, and you know what? He's never cried since that day, and I think that's why he's afraid to let people in.

And I was like, oh, so at the end of the movie, he's going to cry, and he and Joe Beth Williams will be able to be together. Nope.
Never cries.

No, and instead he just recites to JBW what his mom says. Yes.
Like he never actually makes a transition into a man who wants to be with it. He just wants to be able to do that.

He does not have free will. By the way, that's what I'm saying.
What is the lesson in this movie? Truly, what are we to take away from it? I mean, clearly, three men wrote it, right?

So Blake Snyder and two other men. Well, we got to talk about this Blake Snyder thing.
Well, continue with this talk because I want to.

There's like layers of mommy issues in this movie, right?

It's such a reflection of the guys who wrote it

being so screwed up with their mothers.

Well, and also, I have to say, like, it also reeks to me of that late 80s, early 90s fear of women bosses where it's like, well, I guess I better fuck them because I'm not going to take an order from them.

Like, it's just so...

There's this... There's so much fear in this movie of women and what they're going to do.

Well, there was also a weird moment in the beginning, which I think I have a clip of, but I think it'd be better even to describe it, when the mom is showing the stewardesses pictures of him as a baby.

Oh, my God. One of the women.
Should I play it? I have it. Do you have it? Yeah, I do have it.

Play this. All right, here we go.
I've given up shaving. Hi, shave.
Hi, Tudi.

So this is little Joey, huh? Looks a lot different in clothes. We've got to be getting along now, too.

Okay, there we go.

You looked real sexy in those diapers. All objectified him on their way off the plane.
Yeah. Like, they got done working a man they had never met before, and then they basically

saw baby pictures of and are now

apparently just wet for him. But also, how how did they recognize him off his baby pics? Because his talk is.
No, he's talking to Tudi. Oh, right.
He's talking to Estelle Getty.

Estelle Getty is talking.

I'm telling you, before Estelle Getty comes out,

I'm going to notice him and give him like... Oh, right, because

what did the first guy say that we got off the plane? He's like, I was a bedwetter, too. I was a bedwetter, too.
I didn't know him.

I would argue Estelgeti has pictures all throughout his life. That's what I would guess.

She probably has adult pictures of him as well. But that was a creepy-ass line.
Oh, you looked real sexy. And she comes in close and says it to him, like, real fucking pervy.
And by the way, if you...

But that dog, I was into it. And we haven't really talked about it, but if you just think back to that music, we can actually play a clip of it.
This is the music that underscores everything.

That music in what we just heard was so crazy. Here's just a little taste of it more, just so you can really hear it without dialogue.

So picture this for 87 minutes. It's never

being murdered. Yeah, people are being murdered.

Or to a faster version of the sass movie. It's like a bad Disneyland jazz band throughout the entire movie.
It's like,

it's like, it's the soundtrack to like a lesser Woody Allen movie.

You know, like, like, I kind of am like, oh,

am I watching, what's it called? The terrible. I don't know why I can only think of it.
The Manhattan Murder Mystery? Oh, my God, that's one. No, I was going to say the Helen Hunt one.

Oh, as good as it gets? No. Curse of the Jade Scorpion.
Thank you. Curse of the Jade Scorpion.

Well done.

That is a terrible Woody Allen movie. Yeah, it's his worst.
I would say it's his word. I always argue it's his worst.

What's the one with the guy from Deadwood and where it's about magic? Is that the terrible one, too? Oh, and Hugh Jackman? Is that, yeah, the one where he's going to be...

Scarlett Johanson and Hugh Jackman? Yeah, that one. That one's pretty bad, and the one where he's going to line mischief or something? I have not seen you guys.
Oh, that's a tough one. This is like

there was like a there was like a period of three years where woody allen just put out like it was like okay i can top that being worse here's one where i'm a director that goes blind and he's like bumping into walls and then he all right then he all of a sudden he got back on track there was a motif i mean in crimes and misdemeanor sure it was not pulled off though well yeah and the blind guys i love that we just turned this into an episode of how did this get made about woody allen

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I hear what you were saying, though, about wanting. So, one would think that there would be a moment where he starts crying.
I do think that there has to be. That's what it was set up for.

Yeah, I think

what they were going for, and I don't know if this is because Sylvester wasn't able to muster up the tears.

I think Sylvester Stallone, sorry to interrupt you, does not want to cry on Phil. Okay.
Has he ever? Because I was going to say, I think it could

have been written in the moment where he's staring at the photograph. Which, by the way, at one point in the movie, he simply pulls out a photograph of Joe Beth Williams and stares at it.

Oh, in the framework. He talks to himself.
Yes. He talks to himself all the time in this movie.
Well, but he has a frame of Joe Beth Williams in his office where her office is only feet away.

He goes to the office to talk to this picture.

She's still at work and he is basically getting right because even when they were together if he wanted to think of her or whatever he could just simply look up because she's

and also she's his boss you can't have a framed picture of her on your desk it's really

when was that when was that picture ever on his desk when they were together for

me they weren't did they really break up they haven't even

i have to say that's the big flaw in the movie too is that they have no chemistry every time they're on screen together it's like these people hate each other

can we talk about her and leading ladies of the 90s movies? Sure. Oh my God.
I want to, let's fucking get into it. Bonnie Bedelia, go.
Ann Archer, go.

Archer's amazing. Break it.
Elizabeth Perkins. Who is the woman? Go.
Gina Davis. Gina Davis.
Who is who I thought that was for a hot minute with her?

Yeah, that big boofy hair. She could not be any less.

attract is this a horror no adding to the misogyny of the movie is my take that she is looks like she's a 70 year old woman yeah she is not dressed they don't play up her sexuality Right, right.

It's not Joe. I will.

Which is good because she's in the workplace, guys, and girls don't have to sex it up just to be the lieutenant of the police department, okay?

I will say there was one scene, and you'd have to go and watch it, but it's a scene where he is getting drunk and talking to her picture, where I felt like they were running late in their day.

They're like, oh, shit, we're going to go over our 12 hours. Get Jo Beth out of the trailer.
Well, she has no makeup on. I don't care.
Shoot her side of the screen.

She looks good throughout, but then there's one scene where she is makeupless.

I swear to God, it was only on her clothes that was like, we gotta go, we gotta go.

Don't touch us. What they were establishing is that she's in jeans.
It's after hours. This is the dress down.
This is her, like, exactly.

I agree with you, but I think the weird thing about the way her character comes off is it doesn't feel like, and this is nothing to do with her being a lieutenant.

Wait, after hours, she hangs out at the job? Yeah, she changes. She said she came in just to get some stuff.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
So it does feel like she's a divorced woman with two kids.

Wait, does that sound like their movie?

What I'm saying is that that's what it

felt like to me not to be. Can you write a movie

that is the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of this movie, where it's an entire movie that

her divorce, her two kids, and it ends with her meeting Sylvester Stillow for the first time? It didn't feel to me like she was looking for a husband. The energy that was coming off of her was like...

Desperate craziness.

I've lived.

I'm looking for something to work here. And also, when when they're talking about their trip to Catalina and all the sexy things he did, none of those sexy things happened, right?

Like, they went to Catalina and just laid in a bed together.

He just like

laid in two separate beds across and he presented his ass to her.

I would believe it.

I would believe if she fucked him for the weekend and Catalina. Strapped it on with her.
Jacket on.

He got into that position. He loved it.
She pulled those down and she just went to town.

This shot was crazy. I'm thinking about it.

That shot is mental.

It is

so crazy. He puts his ass in the air like he's presenting it.
It's like a bonobo gorilla. He's giving his ass to her.
It is. He's someone to eat out? Yeah.
Oh, okay.

If you put it that way, yes, exactly.

It's like he's wagging it around being like, hey,

anybody want to see what's up over here?

But then he snuggled. Did you notice also how he snuggled into the bed, kind of in the fetal position? Like in very

passive way. He's a very sad character, by the way.

He has a deer head

in his apartment. Okay, I really want to talk about the

restoration of this deal. It's like about the gumball.
The gumball machine.

I want to talk about the jack-o'-lantern lantern.

I think the jack-o'-lantern was a cookie jar.

I'm almost positive. I'm almost positive.
The jack-o'-lantern was a cookie jar. So it wasn't Halloween.

I found.

After I saw it, I was like, oh, I guess it's Halloween, and this is going to somehow tie in. I don't know how, but like.

I'm still looking for clues, though.

Wait, Kate Spencer, did you just do a spit tick?

Okay, then there's another shot.

Another prop I really want to talk about is when he's lying in bed, I saw it in the ass shot. There's a little lamp that's hanging over his bed that is a red light.

Yes, that is two socks hanging off of it. He's a dude.

He's a dude.

But why put your socks up there?

Because he's a dude. He's just getting home.
He's putting his socks on a lamp, drying them out.

Oh, my God.

You're going to wear the socks tomorrow.

Yeah, I have to wear socks just for one. In a line, okay, in a line, when you're introduced to his apartment, on the table behind him is a bathtub rubber ducky.

Literally, these these are decorations. A bathtub rubber ducky.

A gumball machine. Wait, this is in the kitchen.
This is in the kitchen. This is like a countertop.

A gumball machine and a Jack-alastin cookie jar.

A giant glass jackal in it. He shares the frame with all of those items.

By the way,

it's not indicative of anything of his character. Not at all.
Like, his character is not like a fun-loving guy.

He doesn't eat a cookie once.

If I saw those three things, I would be like, a child molester lives here.

Like,

all of these things are for children. Wait a second.
Maybe he does. Maybe I could argue.
Okay, I'm now going to argue why it's happening.

That he is, that they that they say, and this also explains some of his behavior, is that he is like still a child. He's saying

that. He stunted it, blah, blah, blah, because of his mom, blah, blah, blah.
So they were like, so that means like, let's put kid-like stuff around the apartment.

You know what I mean? Like, let's put it on. Stunt the deer head on the wall.
Because he's he's not a hunter. Yeah.
It's never acknowledged.

Well, by the way, I don't even understand what kind of cop he is because in the beginning, you would assume he was a good cop. He did this.
He busted, like, he beat down Ving Rames.

He busted these guys.

He got all

the Panasonic TVs.

But then, like, one detective comes and was like, hey, Detective Alka Selzer. What was that about? I have no idea what that means.

And then they're like, and then he's, you know, just kind of saying, like,

you're a bad cop. I'm like, is he? We've only seen him excel at police officers.
Yeah, because they established, too, that he's just a sergeant and his mom is like, you're never going to move up.

And that sergeant's not a high position, but then he's the one who goes in and rescues the suicide jumper. Yeah, yeah.
So he's going to be a little bit more. I think here's what I think.

I think the other people in the force in that precinct are very upset that he's having an affair with the boss. And that's why I think that guy's upset.

Because if you look, all of their scenes, Sylvester and JBW's scenes in the office

behind them through those blinds,

people are watching and looking at it.

Guys, we have not talked about the extras in this movie.

The extras in this movie are non-stop amazing. The people that fill out the rest of the police station are hilarious.

At a certain point, when Sylvester and Estelgeti get into a fight on the street, Sylvester's on the street, the mom is in the doorway of his house. It's nighttime.

Upwards of 20 bystanders just appear to watch them fight.

People are hanging out of windows. People are like, and it is, all of them are so animated and are so, are overacting so much.
Like one of them is like, she's right. Like, it is crazy.

That's a running theme of the movie is that anytime like the outside public hears that Sylvester has problems with his mom, they feel, they all feel collectively that he's in the wrong and she's in the wrong.

The best, the best version of that is when he's trying to save his mom from going to the airport, they frame a shot where

his mom is like on the back of a golf cart driving through an airport lounge. And he's having this dramatic scene with his mom.
And the guy driving the golf cart is like, mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.

Like, he's so center-frame. It's awkward, but he's got to react.
Like, you could clearly tell her, yeah, just pick a sign. He's like, but she's like, you don't like me.
He's like, yeah, yeah. Like,

it's a funny scene you should watch. I can't describe it more than that.
It's like an awkward expertisement. They should have just moved it off the golf cart for a second.

Yeah, or just had that guy get off and like move luggage for something people so that he's out of the shop. Don't frame it as a three-shot when one of the people is a non-established extra.

Can I, this has been bothering me for 24 hours. The criminal who has a cold and that the cold is a running theme throughout the whole movie

so he can just have the sneeze that then shows them that he's there in the lobby. It's a long way to go for that.
It was a real sneeze.

That sneeze is worthless. Like, they are on the trail anyway.
Right. The sneeze doesn't prove anything.
The sneeze is.

Although there was an amazing moment where the boss man said when his two henchmen were killed, one who has a cold, when a Stalgetti and Sylvester are about to show up, he needs them to hide somewhere and he says,

go into the side office.

Everyone has one. Of course, yes.
It's a side office. What was his deal? That villain was so bad.

I feel like the sneeze brings us back to an idea that we have to definitely talk about, which is one of the writers of this movie

is Blake Snyder. Now, Blake Snyder has made R.I.P., God rest his soul,

has made his career.

And he's dead? Yeah, he died a few years ago. Oh, I didn't know that.

Writing a book called Save the Cat. Save the Cat has become like the new kind of go-to how-you-write a movie book.

And I would say,

first of all, I was looking for a Save the Cat moment. We were talking about this before we switched it.

Which is a Save the Cat moment is a moment normally at the beginning of the movie, which endears you together.

He's say there's no lovability in either of them, I don't think. I think it was that, I think it didn't come until you find out he planned his father's funeral when he was 13 years old.

That was the only moment where I was like, oh, he's okay. Well, in my mind, I thought the only Save the Cat moment was when he shot at that sign and it fell down on the crook's.

Like, I was like, oh, okay, yeah. Like, like an A-team episode? Yeah.
Do you realize there are two occasions in this movie where he shoots a chain? Yes.

He shoots a chain and it breaks that sign and then the wrecking ball. Yeah.
Like, that's how good he is. He can shoot a chain and it will break.

But you see, like to me, this is like the sweaty stuff of Save the Cat. Like the sneeze thing goes back to like, well, establish a game and that game will undo the final thing.

And the, and also like the first and the last shot, like in the first scene of the movie, Sylvester Stallone like shoots a sign down and then literally pulls the gun up to his mouth and blows it like you would do as a kid playing like guns, you know, like,

and you know, like, whatever, he says a line. And at the end of the movie, Estelle Getty shoots somebody,

blows the smoke,

shoots him in the shoulder. She's a shitty shot.
That's what infuriated me. She didn't even kill the bad guy.
No, she, yes. See, and that, to me, the problem with the movie also

is that one would think that it would be her,

what irritates him about her, you know,

should somehow help him in the end get the bad guy or the kooky ways in which she is and her personality should ultimately come back and help save the day.

What happens in the movie is just she knocks people over the head with pants and then shoots them. Like there's no, there's no skill that's used

in an interesting way. I would like this movie where Sylvester Stallone's mom is coming in, but also the bad guy's mom is also coming in and they have duels.

That would actually be great. A great

movie.

I would have liked it only if Jackie Stallone had played Sylvester, if his real mother had played. Have you ever heard her on like

a so-called lunatic?

The movie is a bummer, though, because you sort of of have this feeling at the end where even if he does get rid of her, he's saddled with this other mother figure.

It's just such a depressed life view about women and their role in a man's life. It was like so, it was such a bummer.
And he didn't want to be with her anyway. No, there was no like

except for him staring at a picture frame. Well, he genuinely

that he liked her at all. There is something really kind of crazy about his because he did eat all that breakfast, too.

Like what human way, like, when his partner his partner also the worst partner of all time because he is glass but glass button but sometimes they say he was shot in the bust butt he was shot they're like oh you your partner got shot but no it was very clear yeah that he had glass in his ass he thought he was shot so inconsistent yeah he thought he was shot and then and then sylvester sylvester pulled a piece a shard of glass out of his ass he was a terrible cop no wonder his mom was a better partner i fully believe everybody was a terrible cop every single crime scene Sylvester arrived on, he inexplicably immediately became the lead detective

and walks through without any hesitation. And he's always in civilian clothes.

So there's nothing to determine that he is a and there was like they came across a guy a guy who was gonna jump out of a building a bank robbery in process oh no that was the dream scene

uh the woman who had been kidnapped in the house with a weed poster oh right oh my god oh my god you know those people are bad because they framed a pit like a poster of weed and he had a weed that guy the fat criminal, had a weed

pin on his vest. Oh, my God.
So that's how you established that was his house. By the way.

The other crazy moment, and one of the more upsetting scenes to me was when Sylvester and the criminal are sitting down at a table drinking chocolate milk that Estelgetti has served to them.

And she walks out, and then they both look at each other, and they're talking for a while, and they have chocolate milk all over their mouths. Again, a classic Beverly Hills cop move.
Yep.

They have a very legal weapon. Maybe they were like eating each other's asses out.

Maybe they're presented as a leader. Do you think that's the subtext of that scene? I mean, I would hope if Blake Snyder wrote it, I would hope that that is what I'm saying.

This is what's like really just. I know I keep on saying the movie's misogynistic, which it is, but it also to me is like a very sad portrayal of men because the

takeaway is like, oh, men are also very young boys. Yeah, all men are boys.

All women are mommies. And all women are nettles.

Come and change my die die.

Also, they never address the fact that Estelle Getty is a terrible person because she withholds evidence in a murder case. Oh, yes.
So she does not want to help solve a crime, just wants to help her.

Like, that's sociopathic. Yeah.

Yes. I know.
I want to believe that you are right, June, and that this is a misery-style

sociopath movie. Yeah, you feel like this, you feel what she needs out of him.
Again, much like, you know, not like Jack and Jill, where you actually do feel things. All right, Jack and Jill.

I want you to, we should do an episode where

you thought, yeah, um, let's actually just play one of the scenes where Sylvester is very upset with his mom and he tells to Joe Beth Williams with Sylvester and his girlfriend, just to hear, like, where he's frustrated, because I think this is a good little scene here.

It was before she witnessed a drive-by killing. Well, Kim and Flotter back? Now you're being rude.
Oh, come on, Gwen, if she stays bad as Monday, I swear to God, I'm killing myself.

What is wrong with you, Joe? Tootie seems like a wonderful person, warm, caring, obviously crazy.

Crazy is right. She acts like I'm a second-grade baby she talks to total strangers about my diaper red she just humiliates me i'd say she loves you joe's driving me nuts well either way she's staying

there we go just so just the well again the most shoehorn plot the right

gotta stay with you because she's a and there's another suicide reference that's three

and this light cop this is a dark movie i also i know it's still best out to our audience to cut a trailer for this movie that makes it seem like a horror movie. That would be amazing.

You could easily do it.

There's so many shots of her that are spooky. And if you change the music from like clown car music to actual scary music.
Oh my gosh.

He talks like he has a muffin in his mouth. All the time.
All the time. And I know that's his thing, but it's in that scene, he's holding a dog, and I couldn't understand anything he was saying.

It is, it is, he is talking. He also is talking at times so slowly in scenes, it's as if he's never spoken the words before.
And you know what?

When we were talking about the props, I actually thought to myself, I think the eye had to go to the props and to the surrounding because the scene was so long and he was talking so slowly.

He is, it is like when he's opening his mouth to talk, it is like a black hole opens, and I don't care what any of it says, and nothing happens.

But for someone who can't talk, he has a lot of monologues in his movie.

I mean, but for someone who can't talk, you shouldn't be doing a comedy because that would be where the majority of the movie would be. How about the I'll be back joke? Oh, yeah.
How weird was that?

There are references in this movie that were so far. So she, Estelle Getty says, I'll be back,

and he's like, why'd you say that? And I'm like, what? Is this like a play? Is this like him taunting Arnold from his own movie? Yes. Because at the time, they were like the two big dogs, you know?

And this came out the year that Terminator 2 came out. Oh, really? This is why I watched this movie, and it was, I can't, like, 1992 was not a terrible year.

Like, this movie felt more, if I had watched it in 92, it would have felt felt 20 years old. Well, that's what I feel like.
I feel like it feels like

it feels like if you said this, it was like, yeah, it felt like it should have been an early 80s movie or something.

The title and everything is very like, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

It just felt like that. Like, here's a really, you know,

the fact that the title's called

Don't Stop or My Mom Will Shoot. Like, that's not a problem.
Don't stop or my mom will shoot. Or stop or my mom.

But don't forget, Don't Throw Mama from the Train. Yes, that's where I get it.
But you see. Right, but I'm not sure.
But here's the other one. And I just checked.
Just throw a mama from the train.

Do you remember this movie? Dr. Mama from the Train.
Cop and a Half,

which was Cop and a Half was

Burt Reynolds paired up with a very young tiny kid. So his partner was a little kid, and that was like his partner.

It was Turner and Hooch, right? Which is a cop and a hoof. Oh, yes.
Turner and Hooch. And that was A-9.
Yeah.

Like, there is, when I finished the movie on Netflix, all of the recommended movies, because I'd just watched it, was like

a cavalcade of disastrous movies from this exact series. Well, people are like, buddy cop movies are popular.
Let's subvert it in some way.

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I do want to talk about one thing here about his clothes. Clearly, I think Sylvester Salone, while shooting the movie, had like a chain.
First of all, his pants are always up way too high.

He's wearing high-waisted jeans, basically. Yes.
Which I guess that's just what jeans were then? I think so. Right? Yeah.

All jeans were like that. But the shirts, like there was a shirt problem throughout the whole movie, right? Oh, yeah.
Yes.

Because he gets, I felt like in the middle of the movie, he changed to Hawaiian shirts. I mean, he had not only Hawaiian shirts, just like very

pattern-y shirts. If like Bill Cosby had like shirts instead of sweaters, this would be what he was doing.

So it looked like the costume designer designer from the Cosby show was on hiatus from the Cosby Show and came over and did this movie. I'll do this.
I actually felt like

there was a vision for his character in terms of the way he looked that was more boyish and more in line with the ducks and the jack-o-lantern and stuff.

And I was feeling like he refused to wear that stuff. And so he wore these kind of tight t-shirts.
and jeans. Corduroy jackets.

Yeah, like it was, it felt like, well, this tells me nothing about your character. Like, I'd have no idea what I'm watching here.
But I will say, J.B. Dubbs was impeccably dressed in some power suits.

Oh, she was rocking it out. She really set that up.

What about the final line of the movie?

Stelgetti, you know, notices somebody she saw in America's Most Wanted

on the screen. Sylvester Sallone chases it down again, becomes a lead cop because another cop just hands him his handcuffs.

And

so.

Why is that guy at the airport with a gun? Yeah, no reason. No reason.
What I mean? Just to shoot at the bottom.

She

coincidentally.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, yeah. Like he says, she goes, I remember what he did.
He killed his mother, slow close-up onto Sylvester Stallone, weird smile, and freeze. That's the end of the movie.

Freeze frame. Well, I thought what happened, maybe I'm wrong, is that he sort of shared a look with the guy.
Right. Like, I get it.
Yeah. And then freeze frame.

I thought he didn't share a look with the guy. I thought he was looking at his mom like, can you blame him? That's what I thought.
That's exactly what I thought.

Because I'd like to put a bullet in you. It was basically the subtext of that.
She, in the whatever, three weeks that she is in Los Angeles, witnesses

a

drive-by murder.

She happens upon so much chaos and craziness that it's, and it unphased, she's unphased.

Someone is shot to death in front of her and she's just kind of like

yeah. But I have to say, this was watching the movie.

I'm like, wow, this was my image of LA at that time like with drive-bys and stuff like I was like oh I guess that what that's what Los Angeles trucks of guns actually

so this movie just proved to you the truth documentary right

waits like an Errol Morris movie what

I mean by the way I we talked about very briefly but the bad guy is so terrible in this Roger Reese who I think was like the love interest on cheers

oh he was yeah right

yeah right and um it but he was like, I don't even know. I don't actually even understand what the plot is.
I don't know.

I don't know what his business was.

And they solve it. Like, they sit at a picnic table outside and look at documents and figure out what the mystery is.
So she never helps actually, like you were saying with her like wacky mom ways.

Like a pineapple. They don't tie

it up. Those aren't going to come back.
They never come back. Although she did make a cake.

She made a bit with all those pineapples.

I laughed when she opened that suitcase.

Because to me, that's something that that's what's so weird about the fact that Blake Snyder wrote this is that those things, those tropes of like using all of her games to come back and help save the day, it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a good movie, but it was sort of shocking to know, like, oh, that's not even,

I mean, I would argue that you could not describe Sylvester Stolen's character with an adjective.

Like, because I don't, you don't really see him being unemotional. They say he is unemotional.
You don't see it.

You don't know if he's a good cop or a bad cop. The mother goes, I mean, she's also, every character is a.
She's a terrible. They're all terrible people.
Everybody in this movie has

like borderline personality disorder. Yeah.
Like they genuinely do not seem to understand basic human interactions, empathy.

Like nobody's in control of anything. Like it is, everyone is a stone-cold disaster.
And no one genuinely likes each other. No.
They all fucking hate each other. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

He gives the other guy a swirly yeah an adult man gives another adult man a swirly and not really even commented on after the fact it's like if guys are gonna fight who are cops they're not gonna give each other like oh no no

that happens a lot in the book since

that was the whole rampart scandal

says to him at some point that she wants to spank him no no she says that to the bad guy yeah she says that to the bad guy she's like i'm gonna pull your pants down

and give you a spanking Oh, mom. I mean, that was some sexy ass shit right there.
Well, she knows a pain when she looks at it. You can also cut a trailer for this movie, guys, that is a porno.

Yes, or is about Estelle and Sylvester. It's like, oh,

cut a romantic comedy trailer. A mom-com trailer.
Like for this

for an incest movie. I love that.
For a sexy incest movie like Spanking the Monkey. But funny.

Obviously, we had opinions about this movie, but there are some people who have a larger, a better opinion.

These are reviews called from Amazon five-star reviews. I'll read you, both of them could be a joke.
I don't know, but they're both well written. I think they're worth reading.
This one's from Timoti.

Sylvester Stallone stars in another comedy. Why? I don't know, but it's a real comedy.
His mom is the most annoying person in the world, and it reminded me of all my friends' moms. Reminisce.

Stallone is a police officer, as usual, and his mom packs a wallop as well. What are the odds?

And from the beginning credit of this picture showing you the old woman pulling out a revolver and shooting a stop sign, I knew this movie would never be forgotten.

One diabolical moment showed Stallone in a diaper. Outrageous.
I don't want to see that again.

Universal needs to put this movie on DVD as soon as they can because mothers fighting against crime love it and so do I. Oh my god.
So that could be real or fake. I feel like that sounds real.

And this one, this is another long one, but it's worth it.

This is one of those movies panned by critics, but both endearing and of enduring value. Chemistry, perfect casting for the comedic tension, poetic acting.
The plot is a twisted acting. Poetic acting?

Yes.

The plot. Poetic acting.
Poetic acting. The plot is a twisted, timeless cliché, ignored and bemused by

by seriously real characters. Stallone, as the strapping adult son befuddled and arrested by his tiny mom, is hilarious.

Estelle Getty puts it all together as a mom who variously is tenacious, quintessential, sympathetic, dejected, and sly.

Jo Beth Williams excels in her role as a romantic interest in the comedic setup, but Estelle becomes our mom, the universal mom experience.

And she busy bodies her way into the impossible action-adventure situations and standard detective novel dysfunction romance.

What makes this movie so great is its profound and uplifting humor, created through a sum greater than its parts. A common fantasy story interrupted by an everyday mom, an omnibus, well-played.

Wow, what a fancy. Five stars by Wilhelm.

That is a really

ludicrous poetic acting. Quintessential.
Quintessential. Profound.

Oh, man. So that is that.
I will also tell you what Sylvester

said.

Do it in a Stallone voice. Do it in a Stallone voice.
Maybe one of the worst films I've ever been in.

Maybe one of the worst films in the entire solar system, including alien productions, which we've never seen.

A flat worm could write a better script. And in some countries, China, I believe, running the movie once a week on a government television has lowered the birth rate to zero.

If they ran it twice, every 20 years, China would be extinct.

Wait. He did some math there, though.

did you say a worm could have written a better screen

a flat worm could have written a better screen not just any worm a full wait a minute by the way that's fucking hilarious yeah this is really funny but this is when this is why i question why he did the movie because he's one of those secret smart people yeah because he wrote rocky right like he's rambo and he's written everything that he's written oh yeah and then what was this i know he probably wanted to do comedy it's the early 90s but the the choices he was paying for steroids with this one this is like this is like paying off a house or a vacation day.

It's so crazy. Because it is so bad.
But there are also three writers. So you feel like

Blake Snyder wrote the first draft. It might have been funny.
And they're like, we got to bring the Stolen Alone guys too. And all three writers in there produced an 86-minute movie.

Which launched a bidding war. If I read

it, according to the Wikipedia page, there was a bidding war for this movie. Oh, my gosh.

What?

I mean, really?

Stolone. Look.
Getty. Cop movie.
Moms. It's going to be great.

Holy shit, that's depressing.

Would you guys recommend seeing this movie to anyone? I think it's, yes, it would. Sure, why not?

Sure. I mean, it's terrible.
It's terrible, but it's very

watchable. It's on Netflix.
Yeah,

it's watchable. Yeah.
I did get a genuine laugh in this movie.

One genuine laugh, and I was embarrassed to admit it, but there's a scene where he's like shaving or brushing his teeth, and they pull out to reveal that Estelle Getty is literally in front of him and like between the bathroom mirror and him.

She's so short, you could hide it. So she's like underneath him, like yelling at him.
But I thought that was. I was going to say, I think we're putting a lot on Sylvester.

I actually really think the bigger problem was with her.

Wow. I've never heard anyone place the blame on Estelle Getty.
I know. I know.
It's so controversial.

I felt like she's doing something we've already seen her do on Golden Girls. It was nothing different.

Not pulling any punches. Finally.

Taking off. Because she was

Italian. She was

Boblowski. Boblosky.
Right.

She's different than a Sophia character. I think that that's why you can argue she never did another.
I mean, she did two other movies, but they were very far between.

So you wouldn't characterize her as a feminist icon. Did you see that she, did you feel that she loved Sylvester? Yes.
You did? I feel like, I genuinely felt like she wanted to fuck him.

Yeah, I felt something maybe she trained her to present. That's what I'm saying.
You know, she was the youngest of the Golden Girls. Yeah.
Yeah. And died.
So it's a crazy stat.

I feel like she might die every night and they reanimate her every morning, like in some sort of fucked up

weekend at Bernie's. Yep.
Hey, anyone to keep Off Their Rockers on the air, which go check it out. Please don't.
It is. Please leave it.
It's actually a good show. It is.
June.

June. I will say that.
June, what are you talking about? I was the one.

June had the same reaction, and I made her watch it. And because Rob Hubel told me, he's like, you you got to watch Off Their Rockers.
I'm not watching. What are you talking about?

We may have been a little stoned, but it was really good. So you're watching Jack and Jill and Off Their Rockers at home? Well, I saw Jack and Jill in the theaters.

And with that, we bid you adieu.

Thank you, everybody, for listening. You can follow Kate Spencer on Twitter at Kate Spencer.
That's me, yeah. That's very good.
Thank you for having me. Oh, my gosh.
We're so excited to have you.

You can follow me on Twitter at Paul Shearer. At Miss June Diane.
Yeah, not a writer, guys. You know.
It's not happening. Issue two of my comic book is out in the stores.
Aliens vs.

Parker can get it online. You can get it in stores.
Thank you guys so much. We'll see you next time.
Bye-bye.

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