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Miss Mavilda's first name, Devin Bryant returns, and Jason has got a recommendation that's going to knock your socks off. All this and more on today's last looks.
Hit the theme.

Your eyes need to see it. Your eyes need to see it.
Your eyes need to see it. And your ears need to hear.

Your eyes need to see it.

Your eyes need to see it. Your eyes need to see it.

How did this get made?

Your eyes need to see it. Your eyes need to see it.

Your eyes need to see it.

And your ears need to hear it. Your eyes need to see it.

Your eyes need to see it. Your eyes need to see it.

How did this get made?

Hello, all you gamblers with chainsaws and kids named Pappy. It's me, Paul Scheer, aka Mr.
Mavilda, and welcome to How Did This Get Made?

Last Looks, where you, the listener, get to voice your issues on the Christmas tree, a movie that PNW Paloma thinks should have had the tagline, A Christmas Tree, joyless recollections of childhood trauma.

Haha, I love it. Oh man, I'm wondering if you could morph my book cover and the Christmas tree poster together.
I don't know.

Now we'll save that for late night when I'm playing with Canva because I love to get all freaky late at night with my Canva. A big shout out to our pal Rob from Long Island.

Great opening theme song. Rob killed it live in New York.
You're going to hear that in a couple episodes.

I just got to say, we had such a great time on tour. Thank you for coming out.
We had some special guests because, you know, the government shutdown prevented June from actually being there.

But guess what? You got some good special guests coming up. And I want to just take a moment to say that at the end of the last episode, I said everyone should see this film.

And that was met with a lot of disdain from Jason and June. But here's what I want to tell you.

In the past week or so, I've been talking to people out in the streets because I'm out there talking to the listeners. And

I feel like this movie unlocked a core memory that people had. They didn't know where it was from, but they had seen it.
This movie is important to be seen. Not since Peanut Butter Solution have we

untapped something that has disturbed us all so deeply. So for that reason and that reason alone, I still demand that you see.
the Christmas tree.

By the way, people, if you wanna be a part of the show, you can be. You can submit an alt movie tagline by going to our Discord.
You can also upload a song for this very episode. Just go to hdtgm.com.

There's a button right on the front page that says submit a song. That's what you do.
You hit that button. You upload your song.
If it's 15 to 20 seconds, we're going to love it.

And we'll play it here on the show. Now, we have a big show, okay? We're going to be hearing all your corrections and omissions on the Christmas tree.
And there are good ones in this week's episode.

Not that there aren't always good ones, but this week, in particular, there are some really good ones. Then, Jason and I, we're going to chat.

We haven't chatted for a very long time just about movies, TV, what we're into.

And we're going to be joined by our former audio engineer, Devin Torrey Bryant.

We love Devin. He is going to talk about his new album called Blame It on My Zodiac, which is great.

So a little walk down memory lane, plus things that you can be watching throughout the entire holiday season. And let me tell you, people.

I want to talk to somebody about Lamb Man. I watched the entire run of Lamb Man, season one

and most of season two. I mean, I'm caught up in the course of 72 hours and I need to discuss it.
Should I just do a Landman podcast? I might have to. Anyway,

what else do I want to tell you? Oh, guess what?

Very big news. We are doing a live stream show.
It's going to be around the world. You have seven days to watch it, so you can watch it live or watch it later.
It's me, Jess, June, and Jason.

We're all going to be in studio, so it's not over Zoom, so high quality stuff there. And if you love the live streaming Christmas events, you got to check out the Deep Dive.

The Deep Dive, by the time you're hearing this, will have already recorded their episode on December 5th, but it is also available. after the fact.
So check out Veeps.com and

you can watch both shows whenever you damn well please.

Also,

I want to

tell you all the movie that we'll be watching for the How Did This Get Made Christmas special. It is the 2015 rom-com Merry Christmas.

And wow, it's available around the world. And by around the world, I mean Canada and the UK, because that's where a majority of our international audience comes from.

So you can definitely make sure that you can watch this before the show. Merry Christmas.
And people, that's all I got.

Those are all the plugs that we have because now we are getting into the Christmas tree. We add questions.
You have answers. And you know what? We might have even missed a few things.

And you're going to make us all smarter by proving that you saw something that we didn't. So now it's time for corrections and omissions.

You said everything you think that needs to be said.

But all the things that you forgot have got me seeing red. So open up the Discord and the terrible line.
It's corrections and omissions time.

Rob from Long Island, two for two. That's like an earworm.
I love it. I want to go back to that.

Okay, old man Pappy writes, the crew wondered a couple times why the orphans never looked towards each other for community or support. And the clear answer is they share one consciousness.

You look at how they're constantly standing in a grouping or acting in unison. The orphans are a part of a a single hive mind and see themselves as one entity.
Are they aliens? Possessed?

Under some sort of hypnosis? All possible.

But I think the key to their strange connection is, Miss Hopewell, I believe the tree is the matriarch of this hive and through parasitic spores or some ancient magic has turned the orphans into thralls.

Well, I love that you've casually just dropped thralls. Ironically, Miss Mavilda cutting down the the tree would have been the only thing that freed the kids from its hold on them.
Whoa.

Old man Pappy ain't fucking around. You came in hot.
And this is possibly the best theory I've ever heard on any movie that we have ever done.

The kids are Borg.

And I love it. I'm just going to say they're Borg because I would love that's how the Borg came to Earth originally.
Maybe they're here. Picard, get them Borgs.

Joe Tangello writes, it was really weird that Mrs. Mavilda specifically said, go get your electric chainsaw, but then the guy had a gas-powered chainsaw.
Why was she so specific and so wrong?

Here's what I think about that. Miss Mavilda is not into specifics, you know, or that guy's kind of a drunk, you know, she's like, go get your electric one.
And he's like, I'll get my gas-powered one.

It's worse for the environment, right? I kind of feel like that's what he was doing. Some people may say, oh, the animators weren't communicated to.
They didn't do ADR. No, no, no, no.

That's a choice of a drunken person and Miss Mavilda not really paying attention to stuff that doesn't involve her. I mean, how would she even know that he has a specific chainsaw?

I mean, I have neighbors. I see that they have tools.
I don't know if it's gas powered. I don't know if it's like, I don't know.
I'm not asking those questions. Anyway, Sean McBee puts an image.

an image up of the home that Judy was being sent to so she could be framed for theft. Now the man is sitting amongst empty beer cans with his stained area rug and his cracked plaster wall.

So if he was to slip something valuable into Judy's purse, I think I might just see a few small flaws in Miss Mavilda's plan. Yeah, I mean look, I guess you could say

the cops are on Mavilda's side. She's going to frame her.
This guy's got friends on the force. We know it doesn't always have to make, you know, sense.
But you know what?

Sean McBee goes on to say, another example of even more egregious animation choices is in the shot of Judy when the camera rig appears to have been knocked off kilter.

So you can see the top of the animation cell and some of the stand is revealed. It seems to be like no one involved in this movie gave half a shit about it.

You know, I did notice that and I thought that was just something like an artifact on YouTube. I didn't realize that the animation was truly off.

And this still is cracking me up. You can see the stand.
It's like that new 4K thing that they did for Mad Men, where you see the guy pumping

the oyster rig, or like when Roger Sterling vomits oysters, there's a guy off-camera, like with the rig. Oh, man.

But this is not about 4K upgrade. No, no, no.
This is just about.

You know what? I actually believe that the guy whose house that Judy was supposed to go to

probably ran the animation rig. Anyway, Frosted Nebula writes, regarding June, asking if Mrs.

Mavilda is having to report what's happening with the money, as far as reporting requirements go for publicly funded service organizations, dear God, I am a nerd, if the orphanage is in the U.S., they would presumably be receiving some sort of community development block grant funding, which is a CDBG, which has very specific reporting metrics.

So, theoretically, if the bags of money from the mayor are CDBG grant funds, Miss Mavilda would be required to follow specific reporting metrics about how the money is being used.

And those reports would be reviewed by the city or county and the federal government. Many people not doing their jobs here.
Well, here's the thing, Frosted Nebula.

I appreciate your specificity, but I don't think this is an American

tale. This is no Fival.

No, no, no. This is

somewhere where you can walk to Alaska, which I guess,

I mean, it might be, whoo,

well, Alaska, North Pole, not Alaska. Huh, maybe it is Alaska.
Doesn't feel like Alaska. Not sure.
All right, Frosted Dembula, you're right. All right, let's go to the phones.

Ben from Virginia, what do you got? Hi, everybody. This is Ben, and my buddy Paul and I love to watch these movies in advance.

We caught something that I think made us laugh so hard that we had to stop the movie, go back, and even record a clip of it from the movie.

A line, you didn't point out, there's so many things from the Christmas tree that

are worth discussing. But our favorite line is after

the little girl prays to, I guess, Santa to change her wish a second time. And the little boy behind her says, and let's see if I can get this right,

Santa's not going to hear you. Nobody's going to hear you.
Miracles don't happen.

Thank you for bringing this ridiculous movie to our attention. It was a challenge to watch with an actual physical pain, all of the little cells and eyes and things jotting and buffing around.

But

what a joy to know that this exists. Thank you all for all you do.
Saw the Dinosaur Show in DC. Fantastic.
Cheers. First of all, Ben, thank you so much for coming out to DC.
That was a blast.

I love going out with Dinosaur. We have such...
a killer group of people out there. It's the best.
It's the absolute best.

If you're ever in LA, come see Dinosaur. We'll be live at Largo on the 24th of January.
I know that's far away.

But yes, that line, Santa's not going to hear you. Nobody's going to hear you.
Miracles don't happen.

Sounds to me like the sentiments of a very depressed animator who forgot to center the animation cells while transferring it to Betamax.

Wow, Ben. Thank you for that.

This is a movie where you should have your phone out so you can tape moments and show them to people like I have been doing with Landman.

Oh, man. There's some lines in Landman.
Some lines in Landman that will just knock your fucking

teeth out. Is that a phrase? No, it's not.
All right, let's go to the phone now and hear from Steve. Hi, Paul.

This is Steve with an omission for the Christmas tree, or maybe an explanation for the cryptic ending, the way that it ends with that line that Mrs. Mavalda learned that you only win if you're good.

What does this mean? Well, I think that it means it is a reference back to her gambling addiction. Dune pointed out that the movie doesn't end actually saying that she has stopped gambling.

Perhaps she has, but of course we also know that she was terrible at gambling. She was always losing.
So maybe through, I don't know, Santa's Christmas magic or whatever, Mrs.

Mavalda found a loophole and learned that if you are good or fame being good, that you can start winning.

So maybe the movie actually ends kind of ambiguously with her laying in wait and growing in power and so on until she can finally unmask herself and her evil upon the world. I don't know.
Okay.

I like it. I like it that you are a Christmas tree truther.
Like you believe it all makes sense and you have a beautiful perspective on this. You know what?

I actually believe that that is the spirit of the film, to find the truth, whatever truth is true to you.

So thank you. Thank you, Steve, for showing us that this is a metaphor about gambling.
All right, back to the Discord. Dove

writes something that we knew when recording. This episode is nearly twice the length of the movie they're discussing.
With the movie lasting 42 minutes, the episode being about 80.

How many episodes have they done that were longer than the source movie itself?

Let alone twice as long. I'm betting it's none.
Now, our producer, Scott, always on target, always up for a challenge, says we've never had another episode be almost twice as long as the movie.

That this isn't the first episode that is longer than the movie in general. To name a couple, our episodes on Superman 4, The Quest for Peace, and 222 were both longer than the films.

Now, here's the thing. Our discussions frequently go much longer than the movie, but we edit them down.

For example, the Morbius live show was three hours long unedited, but we know that that's a special thing for the audience.

So whenever you come see how did this get made live, you're going to get a longer, more special show. And also, we understand no one wants to hear three hours of Morbius.

And I know you're like, yes, we do. No, you don't.
SS Lizard writes, I don't think the mayor's a good guy. He sees one kid dressed in the same clothes every time he drops off money, and that's it.

He doesn't look around or talk to the kids or ask for any receipts. He just drops off money like, yep, I've done my job.
I'm such a good mayor.

Here's the thing, SS Lizard, hire good people and then let them do their job. And I think the mayor was doing that.

And yes, he got a little complacent, but there seems to be a lot of things this mayor is responsible for, primarily employing every individual person in this town.

He has to size them up, find them not only a job, but then take care of their lodging as well. This mayor is doing the Lord's work.
And yes, he may get confused.

He may have thought there's different kids coming in and out. And sure, you can attack him all you want, but this guy is doing more than most mayors, okay?

Jon Steele writes: Hey, Paul, my wife and I watched this movie with our kids, and we all had a good laugh at this bizarre movie. We had a thought on Mrs.
Movilda.

We noticed that during the first card game, some of the other degenerates were calling her Bovilda. So we thought maybe her full name is Bovilda Movilda.

John Steele, this is the logic. This is the logic that we need.
And you know what? I'm doing it two last looks in a row. You are our winner.
That's right, Jon Steele, for naming Mrs.

Mavilda Mavilda Mavilda. Yeah, you're going to win.
And you get this amazing song from hominim.

You win

nothing.

Yes.

Great job to everyone who came correct. And you did.
You came very correct.

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Okay, now, if you want to chime in with your thoughts about what we're always talking about here on the show, you can. It's very easy.

You listen to the show, you go to our Discord, or you call me at 619-P-A-U-L-A-S-K. Then I'll read your thing.
I'll determine if you have what it takes to be like Jon Steele. And you know what?

Most of you do. I believe in you, like Tony Robbins.
You can do anything you set your mind to. Take it from me, Paul Robbins.

All right, coming up next, you don't want to miss my chat with Jason where we recap our recent New York and Philadelphia live shows and talk movies, TV, music, and more.

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people i hope you're checking out our amazing matinee episodes that's right every tuesday we re-release an old episode into the feed and we are talking christmas movies this year we are talking about ben affleck in the holiday crime flick reindeer games with howard kramer we had some very big revelations on this one and next week we're gonna go not just fully down a Christmas path, we're going to go a little adjacent by talking about the 1991 Robin Williams surreal comedy Toys.

Because Christmas and Toys, you see how we made that connection? Anyway, keep on checking out all of our replays of classic episodes every Tuesday.

And now, without any further ado, it is time to welcome Jason to Last Looks for a little just chat. Ad Noiseum, play us in.

Five days away, Jason, from our live event streaming around the world. I'm in training now.

I'm working out two times a day. I'm doing cardio just to get ready for the live stream.

We are going to do it in a different and fun way this year, which is we're all in the same location, which will be fun because that will mean Jess won't have to do any

tech, but she will have to arrive there, which will be a whole other

maybe tell her, maybe tell her it's going a little bit early. You should give her a different time.

And I fully expect simply her presence will somehow cause tech problems.

This story that I heard, and I won't reveal all the facts, but I think it's a good one, which was there was a table read that was going on

for a project, and they wanted to make sure that every actor got there on time.

So they told all the actors like two hours ahead of time to get there because a giant movie star was going to be at this table read.

And the giant movie star got there two hours early as well, just because the giant movie star was like, I just want to be there. I want to make sure that I am there.

So then they had this

wait because not everyone showed up.

Oh, so just not every just not quite everybody. Not quite everyone, because the one person that they were also trying to like gauge against didn't show up until two hours and 30 minutes.

So we came 30 minutes late, but they had to entertain like the biggest star.

And I was like, oh, this is really like

no one knew what to do.

I love that. I can't wait to hear who it is.
Yeah, it's a good one.

All right. So, Jason, we have been on tour.
We've been moving around. We've been grooving around.
We had some great shows in Philly. We had some great fill-in guests.
You and I. Morgan was in Philly.

Shouts to Morgan, who came, who moved away from Philly, but came back just for the show. And I feel like we didn't give him enough do out there, but you know what? It was.
I'm giving it to him now.

Great work, Morgan. Great work, Morgan.
Now, I will say,

I mean, how many people, sorry, no. How many people, genuinely, in the 15 years of this podcast from the audience, can you name single name? You know, can you name

it? Counted two by name. You know what I mean? Counted on.
There's Tim at Largo. There's Morgan.
Like, Morgan was like an absolute superstar. Yeah.
You know? Yeah.

I mean, there's only the Pete the S-Man. You know, there's a couple of people that come together.
Ben Cannon. I think of Ben Cannon.
What a great name. Jafar.
Leah from Chicago. Oh, Leah from Chicago.

We had some fun.

We had some fun times in New York because we actually got to lay down a very long episode of Blank Check, which I've been loving watching people's reactions to.

Do you have the ballad of Buster Scruggs? People were like,

By the way, Geek Squad came up in it. Yes, they did.
And as you know, we are waging this war with Vanity Fair and Hollywood at War. Now we're waging war.
I'm just going to say it. We are waging war.

Wait a minute. But

we're bringing back wars. We're bringing back when Howard Stern would go to war with a radio DJ.
Yeah, like the Philadelphia dudes. Yeah, exactly.

Here's what I will say.

Some people lamented that three hours and 41 minutes, not enough time for us to break down.

But I mean, I could have kept going. Me too.
We had a show to do. I could have kept going.
You know, and I'm not surprised that people wanted more.

You know who didn't want more? David Sims. Oh, my gosh.
There is nothing more fun, I will say, especially, especially this time when the four of us got to be in the room. I love being in the room.

Than watching David get more and more agitated and frustrated in a such delightfully fun and funny way.

He is, what a great, uh, what a great presence inside of the absolute chaos that is you, me, and Griffin. Oh, and here's what I love about it: it seems like that anger is misplaced because

the show has started, but he does treat it as if the show has not begun, right? Like, not hit record yet.

As if everything, the whole conversation we've been having about the movie, but simply because nobody has said this is the blank checkpoint, nobody's done the intro line, he's getting more and more.

Oh, it was so funny, more and more frustrated, you know, because, you know, that's David is, you know, has three kids, I think under four. Yeah, he's in it.
He's in it. He's drowning in children.

And it is, he boy. And so I think for him, the three of us were just like three unruly kids.
I mean, it was so funny because we should have started at 10 a.m. to finish at six.
Like, you know,

it was was really like, to me, I love being in there. I love their space.
I love talking to them.

And so, if you have not listened to that episode, do yourself a favor. If you got about four hours,

you know, and it's the kind of thing that you can listen to in chunks.

And I will say, if you are a Cohen Brothers fan, if you're a Blank Check fan, if you're a movie podcast fan, if you like our show, you should be listening to Blank Check. Absolutely.

A lot of our guests are guests on that show. Listen to Gabris or us.
Paul and I have been on it a bunch. Listen to the Doughboys on there if you're looking for an entry point.

But then also listen to Ari Astor on there. Listen to Seth Roger on there.
Listen to the, you know, all the great, um, all the great past and future guests. It's a fantastic show.

Um, and I can't recommend it enough. And this series about the Cohen brothers is maybe pound for pound, one of the greatest

series they've ever had. The best run that they've had.
I mean, in that, in a series, in a, uh, a show that has tremendous runs all the time.

I will also say this: I want to shout out our friend who's never actually been on the podcast, but Rob Riggle.

Rob Riggle has a book and an audio book as well. It's the same book.
It's, you know, it's all he has two. But it's called Grit, Spit, and Never Quit.

It's his story about being a Marine and doing comedy. And there are some great, great stories in there.
Wriggles, Marine stories are always hilarious. And this book is really, really fun.
A really,

if you like Rob Briggle and you know him, obviously, from you know, everything from like 21 Jumpstreet Daily Show. Jumpstreet, yeah, Daily Show, SNL.

Great dude. Incredible.
Great, great dude. So, anyway, just wanted to shout out our friend and his brand new book.
But, Jason, I've been watching stuff and I wanted to get your read.

You're going to have more interesting stuff, so I'm going to just throw one.

What do you got? I went back and watched 21 Jumpstreet, and I was like, like, this is the TV, the entire TV series. No, I wish I watched TV.
Oh, my God. By the way, I do own it.
The entire TV series.

Oh, I do. I loved it.
I watched that 21 Jumpstreet movie. And it was like, you know, it's funny.
I don't often revisit comedies because I'm like, oh, yeah, it was really funny. I really liked it.

And I don't ever go back. I re-watched that movie and I was like, this movie is kind of perfect.
It just is. It's so funny.
So funny. A great cast across the board.

I just was like blown away by, I think it's fun to sit back and watch comedies after a long time of not seeing them because it's

because then you're surprised by the jokes again. Yeah.
I mean, really. Because that's why it works because it's like, it's so surprising and funny.
And again, we just don't do these anymore.

Wouldn't it be great to make movies with funny people that are funny? You know, that are just non-stop funny with funny people. I would love that.

But we don't seem to be interested in that or the business doesn't seem to be interested in that.

And it's such a shame because that's a movie that really you could show is like, oh, well, it's done at all.

I mean, you and I also have a soft spot for action comedy, especially cop stuff and funny stuff. Sure.
I mean, but I just want to give a shout out to Dave Franco, who I think is so good in that movie.

He's so fucking funny.

I just really. Well, and that's a run, too, where you've got 21 Jump Street.
You've got like the Seth and Evans stuff. Like, this is the end happening around that same time.

You've got neighbors happening right around that.

Like, you've got a run of movies that is kind of the end of the, and many of these are not even action comedies, these are just comedies, yes, and that straight run is kind of the end of studio comedies, really.

I mean, you know, and they're all successful, like, right. Like, I mean, it's so crazy to look at, like, uh, you know, like it's an 85 on Rotten Tomatoes, 21 Jump Street.

These are not failures, these are not even like niche movies. These were ones that really, really worked.

These are movies that connected. I still wish, I think we talked about this recently.
I wish they would do the 21 Jump Street 3 Men in Black 4. Channing Tatum was talking about it recently again.

Oh, okay, good. And I think that there's some rights issues where they're now able to maneuver it.
But that's the kind of fun that I wish we were doing.

I wish we were making movies that had that fun to that level of fun and surprise because I think we'd have hits on our hands, you know, comedically.

You know, we'd have people being interested to be like, I got to go see that. Instead of like, it's Baywatch or, you know, whatever nonsense.
We make these things that like,

I don't know. It's a bummer.
It's just a bummer. Sometimes it's a bummer.
But I will tell you, the trailer for Project Hail Mary looks amazing. That's George Miller's new movie.

I got it on the Andy Weir book. I did see it.
I will tell you that much. I saw it months ago.
And

before the effects were done, I think maybe they cut out about 10, 15 minutes. And I will tell you, you are in store for, I saw it almost not effects list, but with minimal effects.

And I was blown away by it. Like, and

I just, I'm so excited for that movie. I'm so excited for people to see that movie.

Oh, that's great.

But what have you been up to?

I'm watching a bunch of stuff. I've got a bunch of stuff to shut out TV.
I've got some music stuff. Let's just blast it through.
Taskmaster Season 20 just wrapped up on YouTube.

I can't recommend it enough. Better than yours.
It's a fantastic season. It is in no way, shape, or form better than my season.
I've been boycotting it because

I'm actively telling people, don't watch it. It's not as good.
They didn't bring back Jason. And they don't ever really bring back people.

You know, it's that magic trick that Taskmaster always does, especially for, I think, if you are not fully dialed into British comedy, where I don't know these people, or maybe I've seen them in passing here or there, and then I immediately become obsessed with them and become so invested in the show.

This season was fantastic. I really became a fan of Stevie Martin because of

your season. Stevie Martin sent me a picture recently of,

I'll find it and send it and maybe we can post it.

Somebody sent her a picture of people on Halloween dressed as her and I in our teen in our outfits. Fantastic.
I love that. Oh, I wish I had a lot of fun.
Which was very cute.

Like it was like a couple's costume. Oh, I think that that's amazing.
By the way, somebody did something

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Now that somebody was able to give me the proof that I so desperately needed from the Teen Wolf episode. Oh, that's so funny.

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There's a show on, I think, HBO.

It's an adult swim show called Ha Ha You Clowns. Oh, I definitely have.
Animated show, 15-minute episodes. I have have not laughed this hard in I don't know how long.
This is

very funny, like absurd, nonsense, funny shit.

There's only a handful of episodes are up so far that I've seen. Joe Kappa is the creator.
Okay. Yeah.

I just happened on this show, and it is killing me how funny it is. It's absolutely bananas level funny.

Landman is back. Love.

Oh, yeah. Love Landman.

The Last Frontier on Apple is basically what if Conair was a TV series. And I started watching it and I'm loving it.
It's a blast. It's a blast.

If you are looking for, it's getting to be that holiday season period where I feel like everybody watches Gilmore Girls. Yes.

If you are looking for a Gilmore Girls-esque thing to watch, maybe you've already watched Gilmore Girls enough or whatever.

I can't recommend enough the follow-up show that Amy Sherman Palladino did one season of called Bunheads,

all of which is now on Prime. And I've just re-watched all of Bunheads and it's incredible.
It is so fantastic. Sutton Foster is the star of the show.

Every, she's a, she and Kelly Bishop have a dance studio.

Every episode has a like long single take dance performance,

which the Paladinos then later did on Etoile as well, the now canceled Prime show. But I cannot recommend Bunheads enough.
It's on Prime. It's been hard to watch for a while.
So that's a good one.

Jason, have you watched or

we haven't talked about it yet, but the chair company? Chair Company. I am, I've only watched the first couple.
I think it's amazing.

Now that I'm back at home, I'm going to watch the rest of it. I'm very excited.
I really, this is a show and like Pluribus as well. I like to.
I haven't started that.

I haven't started either because I like to build up a handful because I know I want to watch more than one. And I also don't want to watch stuff on hotel TVs.
No, exactly.

I want to watch it the right way. I don't want to watch it on my fold-up iPad.
But I will tell you this:

I'm calling for the Lou Diamond Phillips Renaissance. I feel like he is great in chairs.

So good. And I just saw him be great in a season, an older season of

the Billy. I was so desiring Landman to come back that I've watched almost all of Goliath, Billy Bob Thornton's Amazon Prime Lawyer show, and one season Lou Diamond Phillips is in.
And it's fantastic.

Goliath, I remember watching that. My gosh.
It's fun. He's been really, really good.
And by the way, Jim Downey in Chair Company is fantastic.

And if you can watch One Battle After Another, he's also fantastic in that. He's having this renaissance.
And there's a Jim Downey documentary out as well. Which is called Downey Wrote That.

It's on Peacock. And there's a great interview with Letterman and Downey together on YouTube.
It's one of his YouTube interview shows, which he's doing.

And it's great because Downey was the headwriter of Letterman for a little bit after he left SNL in the early days. So they are,

they talk about bits that it was making me laugh so hard because it was just like the craziest Letterman bits, but it's the headwriter and Letterman talking about like bits that no one talks about.

Really, really fun. One last show that I want to give some real love to because I think it's maybe my favorite show of the year so far.

And that's Sterling Hard Joe's The Lowdown, the Ethan Hawk show that is set in Oklahoma, that is absolutely phenomenal. They're calling it like a Tulsa Noir, I think, or something like that.

And it's very much that. It is a very noir story that's being told with Ethan Hawk as the protagonist.
And it is a funny, shaggy, detective-ish hangout show. The cast is incredible.

The music is incredible. I specifically want to shout out, they are using the musician Ken Pomeroy.
She's an incredible singer-songwriter, and she's an actor on the show.

Her album from last year called Cruel Joke, I think is one of my favorite albums of the year.

Flannel Cowboy, maybe one of my most listened-to songs of the year.

The show is incredible, and I think deserves everybody's attention. Like top of the list for me for 2025, The Lowdown.
Oh,

I love this. And you know, you shouted out one thing that I want to just call out.
I've talked about them before on the show. The Wolves of Glendale, they are a really funny band.

And I know when sometimes if you say, oh, a funny band, people like, you could feel their buttholes tighten. But here's what I'm going to tell you.

They are legitimately very funny, but they're doing a brand new series, which I love. It's like Iron Chef for songwriting.

So what they do is they get these ingredients that they have to do and then make a song. So every episode

is them making a song on a very unique topic. The first episode was they have to make a song about Shrek.

I just love the format.

It's Iron Chef with music. Check it out.
It's on YouTube. It's free.
It's Wolves of Glendale. You will love it.
And the Shrek, the Shrek song is very funny.

And let me just, I want to shout out a couple of things. I just saw, I was in New York.
This is really for people.

If you are in New York or going to New York, I saw Natalie Palmedes' show, Weirdo, at the Cherry Lane.

It was astonishing. I thought it was an absolutely incredible show that everybody needs to see.

Natalie Palmedes did the show Nate that is available on Netflix. But this show, Weir, is an incredible, incredible show.

I couldn't believe the, I don't want to say what the kind of trick of it is or the,

what the, what the, what the hook of it is, but it's, it's so incredible and so fucking funny. Um, I haven't laughed that hard in a while.
Some of my favorite comedians are on tour.

If you can see Nish Kumar's show,

Nish Don't Kill My Vibe, incredible. James A.
Caster is touring and is touring the U.S. with new material that I've seen, and it is fantastic.
James A.

Caster, of course, from the James Projector episode.

Phenomenal. Stevie Martin is on tour.
We mentioned her earlier. My taskmaster,

JV Mart Zukas, teammate, please see her new stuff.

is fantastic.

But a bunch of people have put out specials recently that i want to shout out ian edwards put out a special on youtube that is absolutely hilarious earthquake special joke telling business is so funny um ally wong directed frankie quinone's special damn that's scary and that's very funny um all of these are worth tracking down and worth checking out great specials all around like trying to get into more like finding more people that are putting out specials and not just like big slick nonsense but like really funny shows you know yeah yeah yeah patton was on something recently patton just put out an audio only special oh wow i love this great more of this okay and also the jeff buckley documentary is absolutely heartbreaking and fantastic well jason here's something you're going to want to put on your list uh a brand new musical uh

performer uh a talent here from our show of years past our former engineer uh devin bryant has something to share with us. Devin, welcome back to How Did This Get Made? Gentlemen.
Hello. Well, well,

left us for Smartless, left us to do more and be more creative, though. How dare you? I know.
I'm so sorry. Left us for, as my cousins in Massachusetts would say, Smartless.

That's absolutely right. And I've seen both of you guys as you've come through on a couple shows we've had over there.

Both of you were on Staying Alive, the show I work on with Gabrison Pally, which is a fantastic show. Great episodes.
You're both on too. If people haven't heard them, please check them out.

Do you think those were the two highest-rated episodes of that show? Yes.

Now, here's what I'll say:

you know, for people who don't know, Devin is the best. We love Devin.
Devin produced here on How Did This Get Made, created songs for us, was instrumental on Unspooled as well.

But Devin, in your own right, you are a great musician. We talked about your last big release under the moniker of Ping Killer the Pigeon, right? That's right.

Pain, Killer, the Pigeon is what I call this kind of music. Because I do some experimental stuff, but this is where I put kind of like, you know, pop songs.
I mean, for lack of a better term.

These are guitars. These are drums.
These are bass. These are lyrics.
You know, it's Beatles-type pop songs, I mean, rather than, say, a Sabrina Carpenter or something like that. Yeah.
Yeah.

Well, now, the new album is called Blame It on the Zodiac, right? And blame it on my Zodiac. Oh, my Zodiac.
There you go. Okay.
Now, how is that? Is the album?

So it's all songs that are about the failure of your Zodiac boat.

The inflatable, the inflatable boat that you're taking. Look, don't, Jason, we cannot shit on them there.
Sponsor, please.

Sponsored by Zodiac. We'll get a lot of money from the Zodiac.
Oh, yeah. A big discount code.
No one uses it because it's still very expensive.

But yeah, so tell us about this album. Well, it's a very vintagey thing.
I mean,

the inspiration, the things I was listening to as I was writing these songs are sort of all things that ended up being released sort of 1968 to 1972. And I don't really know why.

It's just, it was all the, you know, kind of the second, third, fourth CCR record, the like second, third, fourth Joey Mitchell record, you know, the like the Peter Gabriel Genesis era, the, you know, King Crimson kind of before the first breakup.

You know, it's, it's all this stuff that I was listening to.

Like Adrian Ballou era, King Crimson?

I certainly was listening to a ton of that. Yes, absolutely.
I mean, are we talking three of a perfect pair here? What are we talking about? Lark's tongue, Lark's tongue,

feeling Jack and me. Like, what is he talking? That's a good record, by the way.
That's an underrated one, the second one, beat. People, people are like, discipline is the one, but beat is fantastic.

Beat is, I loved beat, absolutely. And that whole run, you said Lark's tongue, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Lark's tongue is fantastic. And Red, the one that comes after it, which is just brutal.

Love record. Brutal record.

So none of that exactly leaks through to the record King Crimson-wise, but Robert Fripps' kind of attitude is in the back of my head the whole time, which is keep going, keep pushing.

You're not doing it well enough, which is mostly him talking to himself, you know, being furious that he would have missed like whatever, like a 30-second note in an arpeggio.

It was off by a quaver last night. He's like, the show sucked.
You know, and you're like,

it's, I wasn't going for quite that kind of thing, but there was just this voice in my head of like, keep pushing on it. Right.
And so it became that most vintage of things, a double album. Wow.

Crazy thing to make. Eightfold.

If I'm ever able to make it on vinyl, right?

which is which is the goal, but at the moment, it's just going to be on CD, which is a nice, glossy, limited edition package that I made with a big poster and with a lyric booklet and all this kind of stuff.

It's meant to be kind of a vintagey thing. You know, that's that's the idea of it.
A physical object that you're. Physical media, baby.
That's the whole point of it. Yeah.

So now, uh, where can we get it? What can we do? How can we support it? We're going to play a little clip. Uh, because I think we can do that.
Uh, you know, uh, we could talk to your company.

You better not, you better not

force us to take it down.

I'm issuing a takedown. Love that's always issuing a takedown.

Like, yeah, like, where can we find it? Because I know that you have an account on Spotify. You could type in Pinkiller the Pigeon.
Of course. That's not every, you know, that's not everything.

It'll be streaming absolutely everywhere that people prefer to listen to it, even the naughty places like Spotify that I wish you wouldn't use. But, you know, a title, an Apple music anywhere.
Use it.

Would you prefer it if we, for example, bought it digitally on Bandcamp? I certainly would. Bandcamp, my bandcamp,

pigeon.bandcamp.com is the place to go, I would say. And when, if you are lucky enough to

be a Bandcamp regular,

if you buy the album on Bandcamp Friday, that means

Bandcamp does not take its percentage. All of the money goes to the artist.
Exactly. So there should be a Bandcamp Friday coming up soon? I believe soon.
December, the first December Friday, maybe?

I believe it's the first Friday in December, which I believe is the day this comes out, the 5th. All right.

There we go. Okay, there we go.
Today, as people are hearing this, is Bandcamp Friday. So, if you're hearing this and it's Bandcamp Friday, go and buy Devin's album.
Exactly.

Blame it on my zodiac. Absolutely.
Will you tour the record?

I don't know how I could. This is a record I made entirely on my own.
I play every single day. You play every instrument? Oh, yeah.
Every single instrument

to bottom

on a double album with four EPs that come out after it. So there's 42 tracks that I did from T to B.

So it's kind of an insane project, but I had to make that much to get to the, to boil it down to what the record was supposed to be. I had to make way too much.
And then lots of it was good.

So it'll all be out on kind of supplementary EPs for people that are interested, but the main record is the thing for sure. I love this.
The album is available in full for $15, right?

Yeah, for digital. And if you want to get the CD, yeah, with the special limited edition poster and booklet, that's 20 bucks.
That's it. This is nothing.
This is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I can't bring myself to charge.

Honestly, it should be. You know, if I I were trying to make money on this thing, it'd be like, it would be $35.
But I just, I reject that. I'm a kid from the 90s.

The record should be 15 bucks or less.

I agree. I agree.
I agree. I remember when CDs went up to $17 and I was like, this is insane.
By the way, I've been dealing this with my book. My book came out

in paperback, and it's only $3 cheaper than the hardcover. I'm like, what? What is going on here? The hardcover is like $21, and the book is like $15.99.
It's like, it's crazy. It's too

close.

But anyway, we love you, Devin. Thank you for coming back.
Buy this album. Support Devin.
Go to Bandcamp today. Support all the artists.
Seriously. You don't have to buy from me.

Buy from people on Bandcamp every Bandcamp Friday. Just buy something from somebody.

How about this? Devin, are there any artists that you want to shout out that you feel like, I mean, you already have a little bit, informed this album

that people could also be looking at on Bandcamp? Well, it's tough because, right, so much of the stuff I was listening to was older music. So

that they don't necessarily have things, you know, to to promote right now. But I will say, the Joni Mitchell archive and reissue series.
Don't get me started.

I can talk about this for a year. Well, I got a Joni Mitchell cover on the record, my friend.

I don't know where I stand from clouds. It's

one of my all-time favorites that I just had this dream. I was listening to it on a plane, actually.
And I was like, this needs to be done.

as if the birds had covered this in 1968 with big electric 12 strings, big like harmonies, big drifty, dreamy version of that song. And it's one of my favorite on the record.
Oh, Oh, that's great.

Love this. All right.
Tell us the song that you're going to play for us. We'll listen to it.
Yes. And then, yeah.

The song I wanted to play is actually going to be the second single from the record, which on the day you're listening will be out next week. It's called Mistaken.

And it's kind of an orchestral chamber poppy thing with a little bit of a groove. So, yeah.
All right. Well, thank you, Devin, and enjoy this song.

I haven't seen her in quite some time.

She'll disappear on you overnight.

She's gonna

make herself,

but she just can't take herself all the time. I'm pretending to Christian life.

While never keeping her cow on time,

paying down a pagan debt.

She's not prepared again, but pain is to be

lost alive.

So please lay your

best.

I've been giving cry.

But what's the artist?

It has nothing

less.

She'll lay in eyes. Oh my dear, I'm all you're allowed here.

Or insincere,

All right, thank you so much to Jason and Devin for stopping by.

If you want to check out Devin's album, Blame It on My Zodiac, go to the link in this episode's show notes, which will point you towards the album on Bandcamp and all streaming services.

Now, it is finally time to announce our next movie. Next week, we'll be going from dry mushing to some wet smooching.

Yeah, well, I've already kind of teased this in the beginning, but we're watching 2015's Merry Kiss Miss starring Carissa Staples, Brent Doherty, and the late, great Doris Roberts.

Like I mentioned, this is the movie that we are covering on our holiday live stream on December 10th.

So if you want to watch the episode live and completely unedited before the podcast comes out, make sure to get yourself a ticket by going to hdtgm.com or my website.

Now, if you want to know what this movie is about, well, first of all, I'm going to tell you, Scott says you should watch it. And if you're still not sold on that, here's a summary.

A magical kiss and an elevator leaves a woman torn between two men at Christmastime. Ooh, okay, this movie doesn't have enough Rotten Tomatoes reviews, so we can't give you that tomato score.

Instead, we turn to Letterbox where user Marissa Carpio writes, you got a problem when the characters with the most chemistry play cousins.

You know, I got to tell you, this happens a lot on these lifetime Hallmark films. There seems to be a sexual tension for the characters who can't get together.

Like that post office movie, remember that the brother and sister, that? We wanted them to fuck. Anyway, if you're still not sold, listen to the trailer from Merry Christmas.

All Kayla wants for Christmas. True love is always a worthy wish.
I thought that wish came true two years ago, but

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