Superman IV: The Quest For Peace LIVE! w/ Natasha Lyonne & Jessica St. Clair (HDTGM Matinee)

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Speaker 15 A movie performed with all the grandeur and enthusiasm of a theme park stunt show.

Speaker 15 We saw Superman 4: The Quest for Peace. So, you know what that means?

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Speaker 1 They judge a bunch of movies while they're making the grade. Here's a real question for you: how did this get made?

Speaker 1 Hello, people of earth, and hello, people of New York City.

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Speaker 15 in the heart of New York City, just

Speaker 15 steps away from the daily planet where Clark Kent works and Superman flies overhead. And we have a doozy of a movie to talk about tonight.

Speaker 15 Wow.

Speaker 15 But I cannot do it alone. Tonight, I'd like to do this with my co-host, always with my co-host, really.
Jason Manzukes.

Speaker 15 What's up, Charles?

Speaker 15 All right,

Speaker 15 here we go.

Speaker 15 New York City electric crowd

Speaker 15 great, great-looking crowd, Paul. Great-looking crowd.
This is not a bunch of people who read the Warfield publications. I tell you that much.
These are real New Yorkers.

Speaker 15 I was just in the Starbucks getting a coffee. Yeah.

Speaker 15 I believe every single person in the Starbucks was on their way to the show.

Speaker 15 A lot of people wanted to talk to me about the show.

Speaker 15 And I gave them my classic, don't you fucking talk to me!

Speaker 15 I I talk to you through your ears.

Speaker 15 It's what makes you- Not in person.

Speaker 15 It makes you approachable, though. It's a...
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Spoiler alert, I got kicked out of that Starbucks.

Speaker 15 Because you said it to the barista, who was simply asking for your order. By the way, he was a big fan.

Speaker 15 Jason, I'll have you know, this is the first movie I ever walked out of. Or

Speaker 15 I should say almost walked out of as a child I was a huge Superman fan I went

Speaker 15 this is the first movie I walked out of and then you said wait this is the first movie I almost walked out well that's wait in fact I'm lying not watch this movie well no I watched it for this walk out no for this I watched it but as a child I saw it in an empty theater with a friend I was like oh you're gonna love it Superman is the best it's so good and like 20 minutes in I was like how old are you what year is this I uh it is uh somebody tell us

Speaker 15 87, 87. You fucks.

Speaker 15 So I'm like, I'm like, think of all the things you could be remembering in life.

Speaker 15 I'm like nine years old. Yeah, okay.
And I'm seeing this movie for, you know, like, I'm so excited. And then I'm like, it sucks.
And, and we, I'm like, should we leave?

Speaker 15 But it was also so exciting to see a movie that we just walked to the back of the theater and like hung out by the

Speaker 15 And you watched it in a worse fashion. And well, then we were like, I hate this so much, I want it to be harder to watch.

Speaker 15 But then we're like, well, let's just pretend we're Superman and we would just run up and down the aisle pretending to fly and ignoring the movie. So

Speaker 15 I would, if I was in a movie

Speaker 15 and I was on the aisle and there was a kid. Oh, I would straight up clothesline that kid.

Speaker 15 The side note was the theater was completely empty. Oh, we were the only two people with paying tickets.
I respect that. So then why did you go to the back? Because they were like, should we leave?

Speaker 15 And we just hung out by the door. Like, we'll go.

Speaker 15 There is a movie we have not done that we should probably do, which is, I believe, the only movie I walked out of. Yes.
Which I walked out of with my entire family.

Speaker 15 Because I was, I'm going to guess similar age-ish. I'm not sure.
And it is the Hercules movie that Lou Farigno stars in.

Speaker 15 Wherein at one point he picks up a bear, he throws the bear into outer space,

Speaker 15 and the bear becomes the constellation of stars, Ursa Major.

Speaker 15 But, and correct me if I'm wrong, that's in a movie. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
That was done all practically. That was a real bear, actually.
And it was, to be fair, a documentary.

Speaker 15 Well, Jason,

Speaker 15 we have

Speaker 15 a very special guest filling in tonight for this, How Did This Get Made All-Star? Has this been announced? No. No one knows who it is until right now.

Speaker 15 Before we do that, I just want to say, what's up, Balcony?

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Speaker 15 You guys get it. You waited the longest to get tickets and you're wasted already.

Speaker 15 Tonight, we have a very special guest. She made her first appearance on the show in a little movie called Pluto Nash.
Please welcome Jessica St. Clair!

Speaker 15 Wow!

Speaker 15 Welcome! Wow!

Speaker 15 Welcome!

Speaker 15 Yeah!

Speaker 15 This is great.

Speaker 15 Jessica,

Speaker 15 we have kidnapped you to come with us on our little How did this get made tour.

Speaker 15 Forced you to watch these movies. First thoughts out of the gate for Superman 4, Quest for Peace.

Speaker 16 Made me feel sick.

Speaker 15 I also am curious,

Speaker 15 how hard was it for you to figure out how to watch these movies?

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 hard.

Speaker 15 I did try to be very specific about making sure you had every way to find these movies. And I still didn't.

Speaker 16 I was on the plane and I was like, oh god no streaming and then I was like I don't have the right headphones and then I thought to myself I'm gonna have to play it out loud and I was prepared to wait you don't have the right headphones

Speaker 16 I had to purchase them I had to purchase them from Virgin America It was tough stuff. So actually, to be honest, one of them were broken.
So I listened. I had to go like this.

Speaker 16 I could only listen with one ear. That was enough, though.

Speaker 15 So you cocked your head over an iPad or a laptop? Yes. So you couldn't be watching the screen.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah. I was watching, half, half watching it.
I got it. I got the gist.

Speaker 15 I got the subtitles.

Speaker 16 I got the gist.

Speaker 15 I got the gist. All right, great.

Speaker 16 I thought that those guys were going to show up. Which movie do the guys in the pleather suits from Outer Space Really?

Speaker 15 I'm going to span two.

Speaker 16 Oh, thank God it wasn't that one. Because that one really made me feel sick.

Speaker 15 What? That's the best one.

Speaker 15 That movie is

Speaker 15 compared to this movie.

Speaker 16 I disagree. This one had kind of the charm of like when Harry Met Sally.

Speaker 15 What?

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Speaker 15 Let's also bring out our very special guest tonight. She is fantastically funny, amazingly talented.
You've seen her on Orange is a New Black.

Speaker 15 She has a short film that she wrote and directed called Kiberia, Charity, Chastity, which is on YouTube. And Kenzo, please welcome Natasha Leone.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 that's my hand. Now it's getting

Speaker 15 full time.

Speaker 15 Welcome, Natasha. Thank you.

Speaker 15 Now, right out of the gate for you as well, your first experience. Is this your first Superman movie that you've seen?

Speaker 16 I don't think so.

Speaker 15 I don't

Speaker 16 care, I want to to say

Speaker 16 as like just a vague opener.

Speaker 15 But were you familiar with Superman as a customer?

Speaker 16 Yeah, I know Superman exists for sure.

Speaker 15 For sure.

Speaker 15 In fiction.

Speaker 15 Or are you saying right now

Speaker 15 you know Superman exists for real? No, like you are telling me.

Speaker 16 All over the place, Superman is always everywhere.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 16 So everybody knows Superman.

Speaker 16 For sure.

Speaker 16 That's

Speaker 15 everyone knows Superman.

Speaker 16 You got it. But like, not my bag.

Speaker 15 It's not like you're not going to seek out. You would never watch this movie.

Speaker 15 No. Okay.

Speaker 16 But maybe have seen it.

Speaker 15 Right. But don't care.
Maybe, maybe it was on in the background like one day while you were a home. Well, I was a kid.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Okay, check out.

Speaker 15 This does settle a huge internet conspiracy. Yeah, you were a new child.
You were a kid. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, big time.

Speaker 15 Because a lot of people on Reddit are saying that you arrived with a 36-year-old woman.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 And there are pictures of you full-size as a baby, which people are confused.

Speaker 16 Yes, and that's on me.

Speaker 16 But no, I was, you know, gremlins.

Speaker 15 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I know this.

Speaker 15 Did you enjoy your experience with Superman 4 the Quest for Peace?

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 That's, by the way, that sums up this movie. Yes.
It's such a cash grab. Just to put some context on it,

Speaker 15 the Salt Kinds, who made the first three movies, were like,

Speaker 15 this thing ran out of money. So they sold it to these other people, the Cannon Film Company, who've made

Speaker 15 some classic films in R. I didn't realize that.

Speaker 15 So they kind of like,

Speaker 15 we'll milk this cash cow. But right out of the gate, the movie was budgeted for like about 40 million.
And then a week before it started, they cut it down to 16 million.

Speaker 16 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who got that secret money? Like, where are the extra?

Speaker 15 Well, there's a lot of suspect stuff at the Canon Company.

Speaker 15 Yeah, there's a lot. Like, I would say that everything in Lex Luthor's apartment was like from one of those guys' house.
Like,

Speaker 15 I would bet a lot of it is from other Canon movies that they just had in storage. Yeah, because nothing makes sense in Lex Luther's apartment.

Speaker 16 By the way, Hackman comes out smelling like roses. Who does?

Speaker 15 Jane. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Are you telling me that they did not blow holes in the Great Wall of China in this movie?

Speaker 16 By the way, there are no Asian people on that wall.

Speaker 15 I rewound it.

Speaker 15 I rewound it too.

Speaker 16 Because then I thought, maybe this isn't the Great Wall. Maybe this is a wall in England that I'm not aware of.

Speaker 15 Adrian's Wall or something. The Great Wall of Brighton.
Brighton.

Speaker 16 I literally. Because there's not one Asian to be seen.

Speaker 15 Well, I mean, you could maybe argue that not a lot of Asian people go to the Great Wall because they live there.

Speaker 16 I went on this mental journey as well. But you've got to imagine that somebody's grandmother's coming to visit

Speaker 15 and they're saying, hey, you know, let's go see the Great Wall.

Speaker 15 There should be a tour guide of Asian descent, you would think.

Speaker 15 I had an issue with the Great Wall scene simply because I couldn't discern what power Superman was using to rebuild the wall. It was a nuclear man, and we'll get into the plot.

Speaker 15 The plot, I mean, it's a loose assemblage of scenes in this movie.

Speaker 15 I hate to say it, but it was all, it was very obviously masonry vision.

Speaker 15 One of Superman's lesser-known powers is that he can look at masonry and put it back together.

Speaker 15 The grout work is flawless.

Speaker 16 Can I ask a question, Paul? You seem to be a Superman expert. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 15 Professionally, yes.

Speaker 16 It seems that all he does is catches things and moves them. Is that, does he have any other

Speaker 16 things he can do?

Speaker 15 He also blows on cold air. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hey. Whoa, too soon.

Speaker 15 Too soon.

Speaker 16 He can blow cold air.

Speaker 15 He can move things.

Speaker 15 He has a vibe. He has heat vision.

Speaker 16 He catches. Great.
He catches. Like women in the middle, floating women.
Yeah. By the way.
In the air, boom, he's there.

Speaker 15 I have to say, I was pretty amazed to see that this movie, or I guess gravity, ripped off this movie pretty badly. The first sequence of this movie was straight up gravity.

Speaker 15 And, you know, I'm just saying, look, I'm not one to point a finger, but I think they stole it from this movie. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 I think a lot of movies stole directly from this movie. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 15 The Great Wall with Matt Damon.

Speaker 15 Also, a movie

Speaker 15 with all white dudes on the Great Wall.

Speaker 15 I'm starting to think we've been misled, and China is full of white people.

Speaker 15 Just to

Speaker 15 hit back that Great Wall thing. So apparently that was going to be a very big section of the movie that Nuclear Man Destroys the Great Wall of China.
Is that what he said? Is that his name?

Speaker 16 Or are you calling him that?

Speaker 15 That's his name. Nuclear Man.
Does it ever say that? Well, that should be a shock to you. That's the thing.
Like, Mike Luther does say it, okay? He does?

Speaker 15 Because I missed him say it too, and I kept being like, who is this?

Speaker 16 And what's up with those Lee press-on nails? Whoa.

Speaker 15 Those press-on nails. What's up with that?

Speaker 15 Nothing's more scarier than like a delicate nail. Like a gel.

Speaker 16 It's like a gel I got done recently. That was the moment where I felt like I checked out from like kitsch, you know, of like, oh, it's charming.

Speaker 16 Look at all this kids, this CGI cutout, whatever, to now I don't want to play anymore.

Speaker 15 Because

Speaker 15 thank you for lasting that long.

Speaker 16 Yeah, because I was like, with the fake nails, I was like, this is, now nobody out of movie,

Speaker 16 nobody cares about the work they're doing. That's a woman's hand.

Speaker 15 Yeah. This is.

Speaker 16 And here's poor Margot Kidder giving it everything she's got.

Speaker 15 And by the way, his nail beds are terrible. Oh, my man.
Well, there is nothing...

Speaker 15 It's like there is nothing more scary to me than that guy in the Guinness. Can you freeze? Yes.
Can you freeze? Oh, shit. No.
Can you back up? I'll back it up.

Speaker 15 Do you think he's like, wait, are those my nails? Yeah.

Speaker 16 Like, they had the budget originally for like claws.

Speaker 15 You crazy.

Speaker 15 You got to cut a mess. Lee press on nails?

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Speaker 5 The thing that's so you, you've basically become known for it.

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Speaker 8 Let me put you on Fashionistas.

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Speaker 15 I have so many issues with nuclear man

Speaker 15 ultimately because a majority clearly they ran out of money and they're like, let's just do a fight scene on the moon.

Speaker 15 But we've been told that nuclear man's power is from the sun. Right.
So anytime he leaves the atmosphere of Earth, he's in darkness. He should be totally.

Speaker 15 No, only if he's on the dark side of the moon. Because the sun is still getting away from the middle.
Okay, so that sun is still getting him? I mean,

Speaker 15 but we're saying, like, Lex Luther is a little bit more than a little bit of a game. There's a much bigger problem.

Speaker 15 There's a much bigger problem, which is the man I've just found out name is Nuclear Man, flies, it's Mariel Hemingway, right? No, who's the Meryl Hemingway?

Speaker 15 Yes, yeah, Mariela Hemingway flies her into space where she appears to be like she can breathe.

Speaker 15 What's happening? She can breathe.

Speaker 15 She would literally implode

Speaker 15 and be just a floating pile of guts that would go on forever

Speaker 15 because the dead the like the silence of space and the inertia of whatever motion would bring her blobby corpse of nonsense through the rest of the galaxy that's right well let's

Speaker 15 let's even break down the fact when superman flies with lois lane he goes from new york to San Francisco so quick that she would also be dead.

Speaker 15 And there would be no time for casual conversation in that flight. It'd be like, wood a lot.

Speaker 15 Also, if I'm Superman and I'm, oh, you hold my hand this way. And I'm holding,

Speaker 15 if I'm holding

Speaker 15 why it, ooh, why does it burn? So wet. Why does your touch burn?

Speaker 16 So wet.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 Okay. So if we're flying this way and I'm like,

Speaker 15 there's no way she's also doing this.

Speaker 15 She would be dangling down here

Speaker 15 You be Superman now you be Superman

Speaker 15 works on me, but he lets her fly on her own like Peter Pan he doesn't let her fly. He lets her plummet

Speaker 15 He lets her plummet and experience death. He does like a straight-up suicide pack with her, walks her off the building.

Speaker 16 This I had a problem. That was crazy.
Okay, okay, this is a worthwhile scene to watch because it's so crazy.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Like,

Speaker 16 why would he do this?

Speaker 16 He had a flush on her, and he says, I want to get some, let's get some fresh air.

Speaker 15 Yeah, can I ask a question before we play this? Yes. That was confusing for me about this.

Speaker 15 At this point, she does not know he's Superman. Well, that's my question.
This is what we need to get to the bottom of.

Speaker 15 So as a professional Superman expert, what I find the most upsetting about this film is they... A PSE.
A PSE. A PSE.

Speaker 15 Is they just repurpose scenes from the first two movies. Like this scene where he takes her flying is in Superman 1 and it's beautiful and it's like an amazing scene.

Speaker 15 And he's like, let's just do it because he needs to tell her a secret and then he's going to give her amnesia again. But in Superman 2, the whole thing is she finds out he is Clark Kennedy, Superman.

Speaker 15 That's amnesia, and then they forget it? Well, so what happens is they're at a hotel,

Speaker 15 they're doing an expose on like cheesy hotels, and

Speaker 15 she keeps on trying to kill herself to prove that he would rescue her as Superman. And then he finally puts his hand in a fire.
I know too much about Superman.

Speaker 15 And...

Speaker 16 It's not in this movie.

Speaker 15 No, no, but this is, but no, but this is the fourth one. So in the lineage of the story, like, that's the fourth one.
So we understand that.

Speaker 15 So, but the idea was at the end of Superman 2, she's like, I'll keep your secret. I know everything.
He's like, great. Then he kisses her so hard that she forgets everything from that movie.
What?

Speaker 15 And so, because like in the first movie, he flies around the earth and then rewinds the earth, which I have issues with.

Speaker 15 But so he kisses her so hard, she forgets.

Speaker 15 What's interesting is can't the flash do the same thing? Yes, so that's a problem.

Speaker 15 But nobody gives a shit about the flash. The flash would have to run.
If there's two people in the DC universe who can reverse time simply by reversing the axis of

Speaker 15 that's really

Speaker 15 foolish. Tell it to the people at DC.
You know what? I'm going to. Take care, everybody.
See you later.

Speaker 15 Only coming back when I've got an answer.

Speaker 15 Bendis is finally going over to DC to correct this problem.

Speaker 16 But this is, so this thing where he just like takes her on a flight and then basically roofies her to not remember. But then she goes, That happens all the time?

Speaker 15 No, that's this is this is why this movie. No, but this is why this movie makes it so dumb because it was a big deal that she found out.
And then he fixed it.

Speaker 15 And now it seems like whenever he wants to kind of like chat with his therapist, he's like, when Superman 3, what happens there? She doesn't know that he, she doesn't, she's barely in it.

Speaker 15 And she doesn't know.

Speaker 15 She's she's like off in France was she in France yes, she was in France. She's always in France.
She loves France

Speaker 15 Superman 2 opens up with her in France movie perpetrates that myth that women love

Speaker 15 France. That's true.

Speaker 15 So but basically

Speaker 15 so the whole idea is that it's a big deal that she knows, but then she says to him,

Speaker 15 I always remembered. Even when you gave me that amnesia kiss, I remembered because she said, I never forgot.
But then that takes away everything. It's a stupid, it's stupid.

Speaker 15 So, wait, when he gives her this amnesia kiss,

Speaker 15 I guess. Does she still remember? Wait, is that a power he has in addition to moving things?

Speaker 16 So, can he kiss and it not be an amnesia kiss?

Speaker 15 Don't kiss it.

Speaker 16 Every time he kisses you, you don't remember what just happened.

Speaker 15 Like, that's it.

Speaker 16 Or, like, what if they decide to say that?

Speaker 15 It's like a Superman Roof. You know that.
Exactly.

Speaker 16 You feel like your butthole's sore, but you don't know why.

Speaker 15 Yeah, right?

Speaker 16 That's how people love each other.

Speaker 15 That's how people love each other.

Speaker 15 This is a love. We women are taking back the night.

Speaker 15 Topple the patriarchy. We're going to topple the patriarchy in France.

Speaker 15 You know,

Speaker 16 I wanted to ask Natasha because as a young

Speaker 15 girl,

Speaker 16 one of my earliest sexual memories was watching Flash Gordon, old school, where they had like a tin can and then like he'd be tied up.

Speaker 15 There's even no new school of Flash Gordon. Okay, fine.
So that was it. And then I was tired of it.

Speaker 15 You mean the TV show?

Speaker 16 The TV show. Yeah, where people be tied up every so often.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 15 People be tied up.

Speaker 15 Hang on. Yeah,

Speaker 15 that's right. Love to unpack this one.

Speaker 16 At any rate, I spent a lot of this movie watching it, thinking, like, did this turn me on when I was little?

Speaker 16 And I was wondering, I think

Speaker 16 top-up Superman does it for me. Yeah.

Speaker 16 From the bottom, especially those boots,

Speaker 16 is killing my lady boner.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 I would argue that.

Speaker 15 Did you feel anything?

Speaker 16 I can't tell because I was so blinded by definitely Gene Hackman, like Lex Luthor.

Speaker 15 That's what you were into. Interesting.

Speaker 16 That's my scene. And I feel like in general.

Speaker 15 That's your scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 An apartment that looks like a TJ Maxx Home Goods.

Speaker 15 I don't care. You know what I mean? That is your scene.

Speaker 16 I'm talking about his fucking that gold blazer he puts on. Well, I think he and Mariel Hemingway were sharing wardrobe.

Speaker 15 I am not. A bottle of May.
I am not surprised to find out that Natasha Leone is horny for villains.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 16 Yeah, Lex Luther, come on. And the whole time he's like, he's like, he's so

Speaker 16 cocky. He's like, well, he still has a genius.
Give me all your money. I'm taking over.

Speaker 15 I want to see

Speaker 15 this movie. I just want to see this movie.

Speaker 16 And he's like, yo, Ducky, break me out of the clink.

Speaker 15 You know?

Speaker 15 He's great.

Speaker 15 I just got a text. Jesse Eisenberg has been fired as Lex Luthor in the new movies.
You are in.

Speaker 16 I wish I could get a job like that.

Speaker 15 I will say that as much as it seems like no one wanted to be here, Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve are, first of all, Christopher Reeve killing it, I think. Always, always in the moment.

Speaker 15 But Gene Hackman also, funny thing about Gene Hackman is Lex Luther is a bald man, fully a bald man, but like he was like at a certain point, oh, I don't want to wear that bald wig anymore.

Speaker 15 So he just wore his normal hair, and they never justify it. Like, at least in the second one, they're like, oh, it's a wig, and then he takes it on.

Speaker 16 That's what Lex is like. He's like, fuck your wig.

Speaker 16 I don't want to fucking wear it. That's That's why.
Don't you feel like, Lex, that Gene Hackman, that was like the last time his hair was like that full.

Speaker 16 And it was kind of giving him some energy, like some like a real

Speaker 16 choad of vivre, you know what I mean?

Speaker 15 He had a very Bill Murray-esque energy. I thought I was like, yeah, I liked it.

Speaker 16 I liked it.

Speaker 15 But also,

Speaker 15 I also thought the worst plan of all time to escape from jail, Lex is working on a chain gang. Yeah.

Speaker 15 His nephew,

Speaker 15 Lenny Luther, played by John Cryer,

Speaker 15 comes to the city. With whom he is literally Ducky, but with like a Valley girl accent.
Yeah, the accent.

Speaker 16 Big, big choice.

Speaker 16 Like, I'm sure that for all of us watching certain things, like Margot Kidder's French, Mariel Hemingway on the Table, like Ducky's accent, you're like, as an actor, you're like, wow, these are major choices.

Speaker 15 It's almost like at the beginning the director was like, I need everybody to make a choice that that seems too big then double it

Speaker 15 they're like we're gonna make up for the lack of budget in performance

Speaker 16 you give me two million dollars what about john cry who's like the scene you can tell is looping when he's being spun

Speaker 16 and that's where the valley girl i want to watch that too

Speaker 15 jonk

Speaker 15 well the plan to pick up

Speaker 15 for lex and this is where the movie is that's lazy it's like he comes in a car and the plan is like this car is going to be so cool that the two security guards watching Chain Gang are going to be like I need to listen to the sound system in this car

Speaker 15 so then they're going to have to get in and then he got a remote control to flip down the seat never mind that he has just driven up to

Speaker 15 a prison camp

Speaker 15 and then the car like launches off a cliff and then That's their only means of escape. Yeah, no.

Speaker 15 No, there's a truck.

Speaker 15 The truck the prisoners arrived in is what they then leaked. Oh, okay, all right.
Well then, good, then.

Speaker 15 But I will, I agree. I agree, they trashed a pretty cool car.
I like that car. It was all decked out with a lightning.

Speaker 16 But also, did you guys think it was amazing? Like, seconds after, so they drive off a cliff. They're definitely dead.
Then you cut to the police.

Speaker 15 You think? Right?

Speaker 16 But, then you cut and the police are like, we're still right.

Speaker 16 And I feel like somebody in a screening was like, that's too sad.

Speaker 16 And so then they just put them on a rock in Griffith Park and we're like, ah, I'm still here.

Speaker 15 This whole movie is about weird cutaways. Like when Superman and Lois Lane are flying, she takes off his glasses and then puts her on like a belt loop.

Speaker 15 That's weird. These for later.

Speaker 16 But it's also very much a cartoon.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 16 that's what comics are like on the big screen.

Speaker 15 Interesting.

Speaker 15 No, but I think

Speaker 16 just, yeah, that...

Speaker 15 I don't want to talk about this.

Speaker 15 Just a couple. So a couple of things about this movie.
Christopher Reeve had story by credit. This is his movie.
He wanted to tell this story because the nuclear arms race was very important to him.

Speaker 15 And he also. He was a notorious communist.
Am I correct? Yes.

Speaker 15 And that was

Speaker 15 pro-Russia. Yes.
And that's part of the thing that goes on that we don't really see, but yes.

Speaker 16 Can I say something?

Speaker 15 I'm so sorry to interrupt.

Speaker 15 This show is

Speaker 15 interruptions

Speaker 15 all the time. So don't you worry.

Speaker 16 On Amazon, are you guys familiar?

Speaker 16 When you watch it and then there's the little pop-ups of the information, early on it says,

Speaker 16 oh, Christopher Reeves was so sad that the movie was such a flop and it was so bad that it destroyed any credibility he had.

Speaker 16 And he was really had put his heart in it and was very disappointed to find out that it was going to be actually this bad of a movie. And it really colored my experience.

Speaker 15 Yeah, Christopher Reeve,

Speaker 16 I did. I just felt and of course because of you know his life and tragedy and then I did have this darker sort of K-hole.

Speaker 16 You know what?

Speaker 15 Come to think of it. I have not seen him in a movie recently.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 16 Jerk City Population One.

Speaker 15 Christopher Reeve,

Speaker 15 he like, but they, but apparently, according to some of the research I hear here from our expert researcher, Nate Kiley, Christopher Reeve

Speaker 15 was not super nice, or I guess not nice to Margot Kidder. Margot Kidder is like, ah, he had a crazy ego on this movie because he wrote it and he wanted to do his own thing.
And then his autobiography.

Speaker 16 Oh, and he fired a fancy director, did he?

Speaker 15 Yeah, well, Wes Craven was the original director of this movie, guys.

Speaker 15 Yes, Wes Craven. Now,

Speaker 16 this is Wes's pitch for the movie.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 15 Scary Superman. Bigger nails.
Bigger nails. And he comes out in Superman's dreams.
And he's clawing. Oh, and his face is burnt from the sun.
And he's got a cool fedora made of the sun.

Speaker 15 And he's got, and it's a red, it's like a red sweat.

Speaker 15 It will never work, Wes. It will never.

Speaker 15 This is Christopher Reeves' autobiography, Still Me, he wrote, we were so hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks.

Speaker 15 Canon films had 30 projects in the works, and Superman 4 received no special

Speaker 15 consideration. For example, we wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech.

Speaker 15 If that had been a scene in Superman 1, we would have shot it on 42nd Street.

Speaker 15 Richard Johnner would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut the people gawking out of office windows.

Speaker 15 And instead, we had to shoot in an industrial park in England in the rain with less than 100 extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere.

Speaker 16 That is, that is fucked up.

Speaker 15 Not a lot of credit was given to those pigeons.

Speaker 15 Whose lives were lost.

Speaker 15 Those few pigeons had to represent a multitude of pigeons. You know,

Speaker 15 it was credit figure sheet. So many people.

Speaker 16 Also, like, they didn't have pigeons in England before then, and then they brought those pigeons over there, and now they're like, Now pigeons have taken over England.

Speaker 15 It's an epidemic of pigeons.

Speaker 15 Well, well, well, between

Speaker 16 Christopher Reese's disappointment, and of course, the way his life panned out,

Speaker 16 and

Speaker 16 Margot Kidder and the intensity level. Which one is Margot Kidder? Lois Lane.

Speaker 15 Lois Lane. Oh, got it.

Speaker 16 And you know, what happened to Margo was not great.

Speaker 15 Wait, what's up with Margot?

Speaker 15 I really don't know what happened to Margo.

Speaker 16 No, you're not being serious, are you?

Speaker 16 I'm being serious.

Speaker 15 Oh, well,

Speaker 15 guys, we'll Google it later. Google it later.
Let's all just be quiet for a second while you Google it and we watch. Why? Didn't like the gorilla get her rip her face off or something?

Speaker 16 Well, the point of the story,

Speaker 15 like a really tragic thing.

Speaker 16 Very dark.

Speaker 16 She,

Speaker 16 the double whammy of their tragic lives for me

Speaker 16 it felt very much like a K-hole experience of perhaps I was more like being watching Apocalypse Now and surround sound as like something about

Speaker 16 the human cursed Yeah, like like humanity and how broken and how sad and how dark

Speaker 16 it all becomes just because of kind of you know, the hope of the original Superman likely and then the turn their double life took.

Speaker 15 I mean, and so. And we'll be right back

Speaker 15 after these messages.

Speaker 15 Well, the one thing that was going great for this movie was the glasses. Everyone had pretty big glasses, from Meryl Hemingway to the reporters.
Everyone was rocking some stuff.

Speaker 16 Well, I think that tells us who is smart. If you have glasses on, you're a smart person in the movie, right? You know how to read or write.

Speaker 15 I feel like they,

Speaker 15 like in Tron, they did that too. Like the lead in the original Tron

Speaker 15 wore glasses, but you could tell he was not comfortable with it. He's like, yeah, I'm a nerd, but I'm also sexy.
So he'd always just carry his glasses in his hand.

Speaker 15 Like they were like, as they're almost like, yeah, I got these. I can wear them at any time, but I'm not, because I'm sexy.

Speaker 16 The guy who plays the editor-in-chief, is he always that person? Perry White.

Speaker 15 Perry White, the guy from David Warfield. Thick, thick glasses.
That's Perry White. That's Jackie Cooper.
Yes, he's been on the street. He's

Speaker 15 the kind of editor of the Daily Day.

Speaker 16 And how do you feel like you know who's who?

Speaker 15 I felt like in this movie though, everyone said, like, I'll definitely do Superman 4. I can give you seven hours.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 16 And no costume changes. You're just going to show up in this LeMay suit, and I'm going to shoot it, and then I'm taking that suit with me.

Speaker 15 Also, my family owns a gym. One of the scenes needs to be shot in that gym.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Would it surprise you if I told you the original cut of the movie was 35 minutes long?

Speaker 16 They had to add scenes for the movie.

Speaker 15 135 minutes.

Speaker 15 Two hours, sorry, over two hours, and it tested so good

Speaker 15 that the Canon brother, the Canon film company, like, we got a hit on our hands. Let's cut it to 90 so we can make play it more.

Speaker 15 And so apparently, according to everything that I've read, the 135-minute version of the movie is actually pretty good.

Speaker 15 Wow. And they made it worse.
And I'm going to show you. Was that ever released?

Speaker 15 It is wild.

Speaker 16 Like, does Ducky's drum talent have a storyline?

Speaker 15 Because

Speaker 16 we see them, we talk about them once, but I don't know what.

Speaker 15 Nothing would make me happier than

Speaker 15 if that was really Ducky.

Speaker 15 At the end of 16 Candles, he was like, oh, I just got a letter. My uncle Lex needs me to help out with something.

Speaker 15 See you at the graduation. I guess, yeah, I guess I'll see you later.
Well, nothing. You should have chosen me.

Speaker 15 By the way,

Speaker 15 nothing in Lenny Luther's life made sense. He's like, he's a valley guy, but he's also into music.

Speaker 15 He was punk rock, because he has like a mohawk. Was he? I mean, but it was like nothing really.
Like, if he was punk rock, like, that.

Speaker 15 I feel like he was all teen

Speaker 15 things in one. Yeah.
So that every group could be like, he's just like me.

Speaker 15 By the way, it worked for the nine-year-old me. I love John Cryer, and I was like, I love hiding out.
I love Pretty and Pink. He's the best.
I would love to be Lenny Luther, you know.

Speaker 15 So it worked for me. See, it only worked for me at Ducky because I was like, I'm 100% Ducky.
But every other John Cryer, I was like, I'm not this guy. Not even hiding out.

Speaker 15 Hiding out is a good question.

Speaker 16 Can I ask one question to you? Remember the scene where they first broke out and they were in the museum with Superman's hair, real strong hair?

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 16 They're wearing checkered pants that look like you would wear if you were a chef or something, right?

Speaker 15 That's legitimate fashion for the music. And a tiger top.

Speaker 16 Is that a sports team I'm not aware of?

Speaker 15 Or

Speaker 16 why are they dressed identically?

Speaker 15 This costume designer was mad. Like, and took it out on the action.

Speaker 16 Oh, I thought you meant insane mad.

Speaker 15 Oh, no, no. I'd be like for paycheck or his paycheck bounce

Speaker 15 and he was like, yeah,

Speaker 15 tiger shirt. Yeah, it could have been one of those things where they were like, you know what?

Speaker 15 We're giving you all the clothes that you can use. Figure it out.

Speaker 15 Like, as if the costume, though, the wardrobe department couldn't go and pick and choose stuff to build stuff. They were like, we got a dump truck full of weird clothes.

Speaker 15 Half of it's from a clown picture a couple years ago. Make it work.

Speaker 15 It's like kids playing dress up. It's like this hat will go with these pants.

Speaker 16 But it's almost radical, like, how 80s it is because it's one of these movies where across the board you forget how 80s the 80s are, and then you see something like this, and you're like, oh, that's what they mean.

Speaker 15 Yeah, this is like when Christopher Reeve is selling his house and he's in those jeans that are so loose around his dick, they are teal, but then also so tight around his dick. Like,

Speaker 16 yes, I thought this was a real John Ham scenario.

Speaker 15 Hip and tight dick

Speaker 15 lee jeans.

Speaker 15 It's yeah,

Speaker 16 because he had to pick a side.

Speaker 15 Can we get

Speaker 16 a side? He had to pick a side.

Speaker 16 You don't get to be Superman unless you have a jacket.

Speaker 15 Get out among the fly is.

Speaker 15 Like, this portion

Speaker 15 is three times longer than normal jeans.

Speaker 15 Big dick jeans.

Speaker 15 Loose. Waist.

Speaker 15 Tight dick.

Speaker 15 But I just, it makes me. There's so much fabric.
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Speaker 15 There's so much fabric.

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Speaker 15 This whole scene, this whole like selling the farm scene seemed weird to me. Can I ask a question? Did mine, Pop Kent, die in Superman 3? Sounds like it.
Or two.

Speaker 15 I believe that. Well,

Speaker 15 Pop Kent dies in Superman 1. That's okay.
Is that Brando?

Speaker 15 No, Brando is Superman's father. Clark Kent's dad is someone different.

Speaker 16 It's from

Speaker 16 Bowen Luke Duke, right?

Speaker 15 Is it? In the TV show. Is it?

Speaker 15 Oh, no, in the new one of the. Oh, yeah, that's Smallville you're thinking of.
I think so, right. Oh, you're right.
Yeah, right?

Speaker 15 I believe it's Smallville.

Speaker 16 I jerked it to that guy, though.

Speaker 16 Straight up.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 during Smallville time? No.

Speaker 15 No, during Dukes of Hazard.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Everybody jerked it to Dukes of Hazard, right?

Speaker 15 Raise your hand if you jerked it to Dukes of Hazard, right?

Speaker 15 Nobody got so young.

Speaker 15 You coward. I hear it.
Boss Hog all day long.

Speaker 15 Roscoe P. Coldrane.

Speaker 15 The P stands for penis.

Speaker 15 I'm just kidding.

Speaker 16 It was. Is he a new Superman?

Speaker 15 Yes, Henry, Henry. Oh, right, right, right.

Speaker 16 Because I had a moment

Speaker 16 where

Speaker 16 I think it was after the suicide number.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 That we were going to watch.

Speaker 15 Boy, do I wish that had been a musical number.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 16 then I was like, oh, this is crazy. No wonder they keep remaking the picture with Toby McGuire and Kristen Dunst.

Speaker 15 Oh, boy. And then

Speaker 16 I went down the road a bit inside my mind and discovered

Speaker 16 that he's not Spider-Man.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 15 I had a similar picture. And by the way, I love that you almost had like, you almost had like a choose your own adventure journey on this.
You were watching pop-ups. You were

Speaker 15 down the rabbit hole. Natasha, it took you maybe 25 to 30 minutes of the movie to realize Superman is not Spider-Man.

Speaker 16 Again, like I say, not my genre. Of course.

Speaker 15 I had a similar feeling.

Speaker 15 I really did.

Speaker 16 Right? And I knew that they existed. Like I mentioned previously.

Speaker 15 Sure.

Speaker 16 I was fully aware of Superman's vague existence.

Speaker 15 Of course.

Speaker 16 And also Spider-Man's. Sure.
However, for me, it's not something, it's not a Godfather remake.

Speaker 16 Not that I want to see that, but I'm just saying.

Speaker 15 Do you want to see a Godfather remake?

Speaker 16 But I'm going to say it's not like...

Speaker 15 Joshua Leon on record is saying they should remake the Godfather.

Speaker 15 I'll walk off this stage.

Speaker 15 I will walk.

Speaker 16 No, I don't want to see a Godfather remake.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but I'm going to say it's not something I really, but yeah, it's just crazy that they make so many of them.

Speaker 16 And also, poor Kristen Dunstan, Toby McGuire.

Speaker 15 Poor Dunstan.

Speaker 16 Like, I mean, can you believe they must be like every five minutes they make another? That was our remake.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 15 Did you even know about Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone? They did one too, the two of them. Yeah.

Speaker 16 And then now there's more.

Speaker 15 There's more. Now there's a new one.
There's a new one.

Speaker 15 Now there's a new one saying it's a lot of people. Tom Holland and Tom Holland and a bunch of other people.

Speaker 16 And people love it.

Speaker 15 They love love it. I just don't want to spoil it.
I'm not going to say who the

Speaker 15 casting director? What's that?

Speaker 16 Are you casting it? Is that our casting?

Speaker 15 I am no longer a casting director. But you were great because you gave honest feedback, but you were also very supportive.
Yes.

Speaker 15 Always very supportive. And I always read with the people that I was auditioning with and tried to be better than them.
Yeah, yeah. That came across.
A lot of people divides the lines.

Speaker 15 A lot of people don't know that a lot of my acting work comes from being behind the camera, reading against actors, and then people being like, we should cast that reader.

Speaker 16 Hey, can I just ask one question, Paul? I'm so sorry.

Speaker 16 This has been a question I've had in my mind for a long, long time, and I've never bothered to ask anyone or Google it. That green stuff,

Speaker 16 that green crystal, is that kryptonite.

Speaker 15 What do you think is going on there? What? What do you think is going on there?

Speaker 16 I think that his planet that he was born in was made of kryptonite. What I can't understand is then why is kryptonite the one thing that will destroy him?

Speaker 15 Yeah, you're pretty right, actually.

Speaker 16 What do you mean?

Speaker 15 That is like

Speaker 15 that makes no sense.

Speaker 15 I was pretty,

Speaker 15 here is the reasoning behind it because I had the same thing, and I think this is what it is.

Speaker 15 But that kryptonite is not bad, there's different types of kryptonite. What? Right, yes.

Speaker 15 So there's no when kryptonite, I guess, exploded, different pieces of it came off.

Speaker 15 I'm loose. I'm fuzzy on this math as well.

Speaker 15 I didn't understand why that kryptonite was like kind of like, you get another life.

Speaker 15 Like, I didn't get like, oh, yeah, we just gave you this spare life in case, like, by the way, love that whole sequence where he became an old man and became bald. Holy shit.
That's it.

Speaker 15 On like one day. I have questions about that.
Yeah. I have questions about that, but very quickly, can one nerd explain the kryptonite to us? Hold on, let me, if you can raise your hand.

Speaker 15 Like, there's a blue kryptonite that does something, there's a red kryptonite that does something, but I think the kryptonite in this movie is bullshit. Okay, hold on, I'm going to go down.

Speaker 16 Be careful. Gotta get in.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 You're gonna explain the kryptonite. What's your name, sir? My name's Andrew.
Andrew? Take it away, kryptonite. Explanation.
So there's different kryptonite, but it's different colors.

Speaker 15 This is just lazy filmmaking. There is no other explanation.
I feel like they were like, let's have crystals. And they're like, oh, well, he has green crystals, so let's make it green crystals.

Speaker 15 But that's not what kryptonite is at all. What is it?

Speaker 16 It's never green. Kryptonite.

Speaker 15 No, kryptonite is green, and it's a whole thing where do you think that was kryptonite in the under the barn? No, not at all, because it's part of his ship, which is also green for some reason.

Speaker 15 Got it. Okay.
Yeah. It's just lazy.
It's just them. So there was no green crystal.
There was not kryptonite. That was just green substance.

Speaker 15 That was speaking like his mother for some reason.

Speaker 15 Right, but then when he goes, it was essentially underneath the Kent family barn is like an answering machine from his mom that he still plays the old message from because

Speaker 15 it's like when you keep

Speaker 15 an ex-lover's lover.

Speaker 15 By the way,

Speaker 15 kill me.

Speaker 15 I'm done.

Speaker 15 When you keep an ex's voicemail just to be like, oh, remember what they sounded like?

Speaker 15 Yeah. It's like that.
And then you accidentally hit return call. Yeah.
And then you just leave a message.

Speaker 15 Tells them how they really fucked up again.

Speaker 16 And you talk about it on a podcast.

Speaker 15 They'll call you. Cut this out of the podcast.

Speaker 15 Cut this out of the podcast. We'll be right back.

Speaker 15 But there was another part of that.

Speaker 15 Oh, God. So to the point about the kryptonite, I will say this.

Speaker 15 It makes no sense that he goes back to the barn to get that piece of kryptonite because he already built his fucking fortress, which is where all the crystals are anyway.

Speaker 15 It wouldn't be like, let me keep one spare here. The only reason why he went back in the first place.
Why? Because his mother says, the voice, I'm assuming it's his mother. Yeah, it is his mother.

Speaker 15 The voice says, once you remove this crystal, this green slime

Speaker 15 will go dead, so he'll never be able to hear her voice again.

Speaker 15 But he's been able to do that in the Fortress of Solitude in in the other movies. Oh, really? He talks to his mom? Yeah.
Oh, okay, then fuck that.

Speaker 16 Isn't that where he like removes it and puts it in?

Speaker 15 Can I just talk about

Speaker 15 the scene that drove me nuts? And I know we haven't even really gotten into the whole nuclear war subplot, which is so prescient in this time.

Speaker 15 Where he hammer throws a basket full of nuclear warheads. I wanted to see him sew that net.
The net of... By the way, a bold move to be like, I think that would be okay if I found

Speaker 15 the sun.

Speaker 15 If the warheads were all

Speaker 15 jamming against each other, wouldn't they just blow up? Yeah.

Speaker 16 It's like a net of sardines, only it's a bunch of warheads.

Speaker 15 How do you mean that is pipe? Wait a minute. How do you mean sardines?

Speaker 16 What's that?

Speaker 15 When you catch sardines, you

Speaker 16 catch it in a net like that. Instead of the sardines, it's a bunch of warheads in there.

Speaker 15 So you're not even talking about sardines in a can. You're talking about sardines in a fishing net.

Speaker 15 Exactly. That's how they are before they put put them in a can dick.
Right, but

Speaker 15 when they're mashing up against each other, they don't explode.

Speaker 16 That's right.

Speaker 15 So I'll believe the ridiculousness of that nuclear net.

Speaker 15 What I won't believe is

Speaker 15 the weird justification that they got to get them to do a double date scene. That double date scene is like,

Speaker 15 why would he ever subject himself to such

Speaker 15 stupidity?

Speaker 16 That's insane. And guess what? She's serving.
serving scallops and duck

Speaker 15 that are two risky risky meals to prepare so gross also for a date also gross it's gross but like on a texture level gross gross but superman somehow knows how to cook perfect duck like she's like the duck turned out great Was he speeding it up so that he'd have to stay there for too long?

Speaker 16 Remember? No, because he needed it to be on fire so that way he could get out and become Clark Kent.

Speaker 15 But he didn't make it go on fire. He just cooked it perfectly.
It's the classic.

Speaker 15 But I would agree with you.

Speaker 15 That's going to happen. That would be the smart thing.

Speaker 16 I was a little in and out.

Speaker 15 It's the classic, oh no, I've got two dates at the same restaurant, and I have to show you. But there was no reason for him to subject himself to that.
What happened?

Speaker 15 Also, is Lois Lane dating Superman? She has a thing with him. She's just getting an interview, right? Yes, but they always like have date-y interviews in the movies.

Speaker 15 What's up with that?

Speaker 15 Talk about that apartment. That apartment, by the way.

Speaker 16 Indoor hot tub.

Speaker 15 Everybody in this movie has balconies, like giant balconies. Even Superman, which seemingly, or Clark Kent, seemingly lives in a shithole, has a beautiful fireplace in his living room working.

Speaker 16 Take Westside Story a little. Another movie I haven't really totally seen.

Speaker 15 Me neither. But I feel like I have.

Speaker 16 Yeah, but like from the stills. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 I've gathered. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 16 A lot of fire and stuff. A lot of balcony work.

Speaker 15 Yeah, a lot of balcony work.

Speaker 15 So I will just point out a couple things in Lois's apartment. Dual golden candelabras.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 I'm still. Is this Lois's apartment? No, this is the rich apartment.
This is Mariel Hemingway's apartment, I think. Oh, is it?

Speaker 15 Yeah, she's loaded. And she's rich, as she says repeatedly.

Speaker 16 And is he wearing a wig?

Speaker 16 Which one?

Speaker 15 Lois?

Speaker 15 Muriel? Mariel Reeves.

Speaker 16 Lois is dressed like the mother of the bride.

Speaker 16 She's like, I'm just going to pair this. But I feel like both of them, this really, I find, irritating.
This is

Speaker 16 like, like, for,

Speaker 16 you know, anybody who's interested in the fashion of it, like, that this is now so hip in Brooklyn or something.

Speaker 15 Hell for a while.

Speaker 15 I can't handle it.

Speaker 16 Hang on, hang on. I find it makes me angry.

Speaker 15 Up in the upper right-hand corner is Mariel Hemingway's initials.

Speaker 15 Wait, this is her actual apartment? It's not her character's name. Do you think they shot this in Mariel Hemingway's apartment? Possibly.

Speaker 16 It's a Marriott Hilton.

Speaker 15 Oh, maybe it's. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Maybe it's the name of the building that they are in or something.

Speaker 15 Was it ever a thing to have greenery on lattice wallpaper, too? I mean, I can't tell if that's real or...

Speaker 15 Oh, let's see. I'll open it up big.
Yeah. But that, oh, no, I guess it's not real.
I think it's painted on.

Speaker 15 It's wallpaper, maybe.

Speaker 15 I really want to show you this thing.

Speaker 15 This is something that we can never really show our listening audience. We can just show it here, but I'm going to urge you, if you're listening, to Google this.
So the movie was 134 minutes,

Speaker 15 which means that a lot of stuff was cut out, like the fact that there was another nuclear man that was cast,

Speaker 15 fired, and then recast in the movie. And here is the scene.

Speaker 15 Fired, then brought back?

Speaker 15 No, no, sorry. Fired, then they recast it with the actor.

Speaker 15 I can't describe it because

Speaker 15 I'll let you watch it.

Speaker 15 Here we go.

Speaker 15 What is happening?

Speaker 15 I'm out.

Speaker 15 I just want to know where you come from. Destroy this man.

Speaker 15 So what we just watched was

Speaker 15 like an odd Buster Keaton fight scene. That music

Speaker 15 was embedded. Is that part of the soundtrack? Yes, that was not.

Speaker 15 What we heard that boop boop boop boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, was part of the movie. The quality is terrible because clearly no one wanted you to ever see that.
So

Speaker 15 he is. That's more of a

Speaker 15 Frankenstein's monster version of this character. Yes, the nuclear man.

Speaker 16 Or like Frankenberry.

Speaker 15 Or Frankenberry. He looks just like Frankenberry.

Speaker 15 And they have this fight. And it makes you go, actually watching that scene makes you go like, holy shit, they really, they pulled it out.

Speaker 15 Like they, like, if that's what they were shooting in their life. Imagine if that had been the movie.

Speaker 15 This would be a legendary movie. Yeah.

Speaker 16 And that's got to be a choice you make when you're looking at dailies on a picture like this. Like, do we go all in?

Speaker 15 Not only that, right?

Speaker 15 They shouldn't have problems. They went through hair and makeup, wardrobe tests.
They went through weeks of work with that guy to become that guy. They shot with him.

Speaker 16 But when you see it,

Speaker 16 you like the internal team is like, you guys, the movie's not great, but

Speaker 16 we can turn this one around.

Speaker 15 So, and by the way, I would argue the nuclear man that they got that we're looking at here with the gold tights,

Speaker 15 he almost looks cooler than Superman. Yeah, he looks a cooler version of Jeff Fahey.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 And now

Speaker 15 I like himself look better, you know? Well, there was a cool thing that they were going to do, too.

Speaker 15 They were going to put Superman, they were gonna put Christopher Reeve in a black costume and make him be like a virtual

Speaker 15 Adam Kennedy.

Speaker 16 That's what I thought was gonna happen when they put his hair, yes. Yes, and remember when they're putting all this stuff together, it looks like a little wonton, like an old wonton,

Speaker 16 and then some like paprika, and then one other thing. I forget what it is they put in

Speaker 16 the city.

Speaker 15 Is it an Asian person who's making the wonton? No, no,

Speaker 15 exactly.

Speaker 15 Where are the Asian people in Metropolis?

Speaker 15 They're in this world.

Speaker 15 They had no problem cutting that Superman hair. By the way, the Superman hair that's holding a thousand-pound weight, they're like, snip.

Speaker 15 Seems like that would be.

Speaker 16 Like, super big comedy pliers or something, right?

Speaker 15 But still, super big comedy pliers should be able to get through that hair.

Speaker 16 No, no, no, they're not. But Superman fighting himself, that's something I want to see.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 16 they lived in a very low-security universe altogether.

Speaker 15 It's pre-9-11. Pre-9-11.
Pre-9-11. We're living in a pre-9-11 world.

Speaker 16 The cops in the beginning and the chain gang and later in the museum and so on.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 budget made them not be able to do those scenes because they did shoot them. So they shot three versions of Nuclear Man.

Speaker 15 This comedy version, Christopher Reeve, and then they finally went to this other guy.

Speaker 15 And part of the reason why the effects are so bad is you will see this. This is is a little montage of the flying scenes where they didn't change a thing.

Speaker 15 Every flying scene is exactly the same.

Speaker 15 And it's the same same with the

Speaker 15 when they in the subway section when the subway with Lois goes screaming by and you see all the people on the subway station are like oh

Speaker 15 and then Superman flies by and it's the exact same shot of the same people being like

Speaker 15 the budget's so bad that I feel like they used a part of Universal Theme Park for part of the movie.

Speaker 15 Like when you go on the tour, they're like that shark jumps out at you and then they go, oh, Mount Vesuvius has exploded and there's like water comes down a thing.

Speaker 15 Like, that seemed like it was shot on the Universal Backlop, but nothing was changed. It was sort of like, I almost feel like they may have just put a camera on the tour by bus and gotten it.

Speaker 15 What I felt like didn't get enough attention, and it wasn't explicitly said in the movie, but like when they take Superman's hair, because it is, it's holding up like a thousand paw, a thousand pound weight, is like that, it's a pube.

Speaker 16 you think that came from his it's a pube because when Lex Luthor

Speaker 15 cuts it off it like shrinks right back up

Speaker 15 into a curly little guy

Speaker 15 and maybe that was some ball scenes about that where they explained how they got Superman's pube yeah Superman straightens all of his pupic hair and originally

Speaker 15 originally and this is what I read online I'm sure it was reputable source would you originally say what's it yeah they were gonna Lex Luther was trying to make Puberman

Speaker 15 a Superman based on Superman's pubes that would just be as strong as his pubes, which are very strong Puberman.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 no, no, no.

Speaker 15 Don't feel like you need to reward that. It was mediocre at best.

Speaker 15 I thought of it a while ago. I waited for it.
It wasn't worth it. You waited.
That's a good thing. Don't worry about it.
I'm not too worried about it. You shouldn't be either.

Speaker 15 There are a lot of things we need to talk about. We're going to go to the audience right now to see if they have any opinions.
I'm going to run up to the top. It's going to take me a second though.

Speaker 15 Hold on.

Speaker 15 It's a long way.

Speaker 15 While Paul's doing that, don't you fucking look at us.

Speaker 15 We're not here.

Speaker 15 All right, I'm back.

Speaker 15 Here I am.

Speaker 15 Can we get get house lights? Get some house lights up. Do house lights exist?

Speaker 15 All right, so we're up in the balcony. Who has a good.
All right, this gentleman right here.

Speaker 15 I'll first come to you, and

Speaker 15 you'll say your name, but say it in your best nuclear man voice. Okay, so, well, like a Gene Hackman with an echo effect.
All right, so your name and your question. Here we go.
I'll hold the mic.

Speaker 15 Michael. Great.
That was great.

Speaker 17 So my question is that in the first half, Superman seems focused on nuclear disarmament. And then he fights Nuclear Man and decides to give up on nuclear disarmament.

Speaker 15 Why?

Speaker 15 It's an internal battle that he's been having.

Speaker 15 He says, like, I can't do it for you. He's like, if the people want it, they'll give it.
You'll get it.

Speaker 15 Well, that's kind of, and that's kind of what the elders are saying in that scene when in the Forgers of Solitude. Those elders, that was really a shitty scene.

Speaker 15 Like.

Speaker 16 Well, they couldn't get them for the day either, so they had to just like film themselves in their closet and then send in just their heads.

Speaker 15 I love the person who was like, you should just go to a different planet.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah, like give up. It's over.
Yeah, like, hey, oh, you know what, bro? That place seems like it sucks. You like,

Speaker 15 semester abroad somewhere else. That's the kind of attitude that brought down Krypton in the first place.

Speaker 15 Sir, your name in Nuclear Man's Voice and your question.

Speaker 15 Eli!

Speaker 17 Again, on the whole nuclear disarmament thing, it's like the world's ratcheting up towards nuclear war and

Speaker 17 Russia and US stand on the brink. And then Superman's like, I'm gonna stop this so they just agree to fire their missiles into space

Speaker 15 yeah it was like

Speaker 15 he he took all the missiles he blew them up and then they were still testing missiles it didn't see I don't know I was confused by that well it seemed like nuclear war was happening right like it was currently happening yeah like I don't think yeah I guess there wasn't happening wrong about that was anybody like at all was it happening or were they trying to launch the missiles so that Superman could take them into space?

Speaker 16 No, they were launching them and he was like, Psych, I got them in my net, my sardine net.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 16 just like that.

Speaker 15 Ma'am, your name, and you know how it deals. Here we go.

Speaker 15 Yeah!

Speaker 16 So my question is, when Superman takes Nuclear Man in the elevator to the moon,

Speaker 15 why not put him on the dark side of the moon?

Speaker 15 Agree.

Speaker 15 I mean, eventually he smartens up enough to push the moon in front of the sun, knocking the moon out of its orbit,

Speaker 15 sending what I would only assume to be all of our planets into chaos. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Or a never-ending winter, at the very least.

Speaker 15 And catastrophically affecting every woman's period.

Speaker 15 That's your first thought.

Speaker 15 The minute he started moving that moon, I was like, oh, Superman 5, the red top.

Speaker 15 That's what it is.

Speaker 15 Superman, he doesn't care about women's menses.

Speaker 15 Alright, you know the drill. Here we go.
Subo.

Speaker 15 Love it.

Speaker 15 Oh.

Speaker 15 So I'm guessing Lex is a fugitive, but yet he was able to sign a lease and you have a stakeholder?

Speaker 15 Yeah, it seems like Superman would keep betting.

Speaker 15 Need a cosign?

Speaker 15 Lenny.

Speaker 15 It seems to me that Superman would be a little bit more on top of Lex. Like, is he still in jail? Maybe I could just fly him back over there.
Because he seemingly just drops him off.

Speaker 15 As if no harm, no foul.

Speaker 16 What about the disturbing boys club that Ducky's dropped off at and the very handsome priest goes like, oh, we can handle all the boys.

Speaker 15 I was like, uh-oh,

Speaker 16 uh-oh, that's a different movie that I haven't seen.

Speaker 15 Sir,

Speaker 15 Nick Olas.

Speaker 15 Where did Muriel Hemingwink go?

Speaker 15 Great.

Speaker 15 Great question.

Speaker 15 On you guys, take take it.

Speaker 15 What? Where did she go? Where did she go? Oh, I have no idea.

Speaker 16 Paul, you're so fit.

Speaker 16 God, he's doing cross-eyes. I am so impressed that he made it all the way up the stairs.
There was no heavy breathing.

Speaker 15 Paul, that like broke Paul. That question broke Paul.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 He left.

Speaker 15 I just got a text from him. He said, I'm out of here.

Speaker 16 Where did Mariel Hemingway go?

Speaker 15 She's in France.

Speaker 15 I bet she is. Is that true? France, like all women.

Speaker 15 All right, here we go. Next question.

Speaker 15 Sarah.

Speaker 16 My question is: do you guys think this was written by Flat Earthers? Because

Speaker 15 they go to China and they start in America and then they go to Italy all in the same

Speaker 16 fight scene and it's never dark in any of those places.

Speaker 15 Oh.

Speaker 16 Is that a group of people called flat earthers?

Speaker 15 Isn't somebody from the view a flat earth?

Speaker 16 Are they still like a contingent that's operating? Still hoping to make their mark?

Speaker 15 Flat earthers? Yeah,

Speaker 15 they're up there.

Speaker 16 Yeah, they're like, trust us.

Speaker 15 There are still people. Oh, no, they're still.
No, there are not. The internet has given rise now to people believing.
Didn't Sherry Shepard on The View say the Earth was flat like three years ago?

Speaker 15 No, right? Maybe wasn't that who it was?

Speaker 15 And she's part of a cult? And wasn't there some cults? Wasn't there a sports person who said it as well?

Speaker 15 What?

Speaker 15 Kyrie Irving. A rapper, too.
A rapper, too? Wait, okay, so lots of people are suggesting this is true.

Speaker 16 Do we have any evidence to prove that they're wrong?

Speaker 15 If someone has definitive evidence and not doctored photos, we've all seen that one doctored photo, the circular earth.

Speaker 15 B.S.

Speaker 15 All right, ma'am.

Speaker 15 Oh, grabbing that mic. Paul, letting it.

Speaker 15 Oh, she is okay.

Speaker 16 Yeah,

Speaker 16 so obviously this was filmed in Milton Keynes, which is like an industrial town outside of England. And I feel like some production set designer was really self-conscious.

Speaker 16 So if you look in Clark Kent's apartment, there is a New York Giants flag, a Yale flag, a Wisconsin flag, and a Tampa Bay Buccaneers flag.

Speaker 16 How do we think he became a fan of all of those teams? It's whatever they had at a big five sports in the sales bin.

Speaker 15 I mean, maybe he just was part of a flag giveaway.

Speaker 15 Clark Kent loves penance.

Speaker 15 Not penance, but penance.

Speaker 15 Hi.

Speaker 15 Mike Pennance.

Speaker 15 Richard.

Speaker 15 Amazing.

Speaker 16 Okay, so I just found it interesting for how much Lois didn't seem to give a shit about Clark Kent.

Speaker 16 Like, to the point where she goes to his house, he's sick, and she finds a way to make it about herself. She's really cockblocking Lacey.
Because Lacey really wants Clark.

Speaker 16 And she's like uh Clark's kind of a Boy Scout. I was like he knows how to tie knots like right he could put some it's like it's one thing if you don't want Clark but like why are you trying to

Speaker 16 let Lacey, you know, what? It's just the glasses that makes her not recognize him

Speaker 15 Well, now you're unraveling a much larger conspiracy because that's crazy

Speaker 15 So Lois is never interested in Clark, right?

Speaker 16 Yeah, but I am confused because then she goes to the house when he's sick and she's like,

Speaker 16 they look at each other like their eyes are saying

Speaker 16 it's like deep eye subtext.

Speaker 15 Yeah, and she's like, I knew it. I knew it.

Speaker 15 You know, and I was like, she went to a house, she's like, you're Superman. She's like, if I would tell, I would tell Superman if he was dying, we had a great time.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 So like, what's that?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know.
Clark is always being friends with.

Speaker 15 Always.

Speaker 16 That's why he's crying all the time. Well, no, Clark's always on the verge of tears as Clark can all the time.
Like, he's just like, oh, there's saying it's super men.

Speaker 16 And then he's like, just looking out the window crying. It's like.

Speaker 15 Like, Superman up.

Speaker 15 Yeah!

Speaker 15 Yay!

Speaker 15 Thanks, everybody. That's our show.
Thank you so much, New York.

Speaker 15 I'm going to go to the gentleman right here because he's wearing wearing a picture of.

Speaker 15 Okay, in a podcast we did, we referenced there was a picture on the wall of Betty White holding an urn. He is wearing a shirt of Betty White holding the urn.

Speaker 15 Yeah!

Speaker 15 That's amazing. All right, that's for Jason.
Thank you. Thanks for bringing one for all of us.

Speaker 15 It's weird, Jason. It's an XS.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 I'm losing that weight. I'm getting shredded, bro.

Speaker 15 CrossFit!

Speaker 15 So, can you? Wait a second.

Speaker 15 P.

Speaker 15 Right, right.

Speaker 15 I was confused by this quote from Lex Luther, where he says, it's about when he's explaining to Lenny how he could, like,

Speaker 15 nuclear man can't survive without light.

Speaker 16 And he says, he gets his energy from the sun.

Speaker 15 Without it, he's like you at night. Useless.
I wrote that down too.

Speaker 15 What does that mean?

Speaker 15 Does anyone know what that means?

Speaker 16 Does it mean everybody's sleeping?

Speaker 15 Well, wait, you just said it means he's Olympic.

Speaker 16 He's calling his nephew Lenny Olymptic.

Speaker 15 I guess it's as simple as that. I mean, I, but I, but I.
So do you think Lenny...

Speaker 16 I see sexually.

Speaker 15 He's like, but like... Some pet, like, people try and fuck in the day.

Speaker 15 That's what I thought. I thought he should be like, he's like, you're trying to have sex.
Yeah. You useless.
Like, you at night means like going out, having dinner with.

Speaker 15 There's a lot of nighttime activities.

Speaker 16 We all power down at night as humans.

Speaker 16 This is why you can't make PG.

Speaker 16 Because

Speaker 16 that was

Speaker 16 by a note.

Speaker 15 Don't try and get me to put this very obviously poisoned shirt on.

Speaker 15 What you were saying, this is why you can't make PG, because it's a, yeah, you can't.

Speaker 16 Oh, because then you have, you know,

Speaker 16 innuendo that is dipperish.

Speaker 15 Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.
You got one. Here we go.
Here it goes.

Speaker 16 five star reviews down from amazon way they love those bonkers movies no one else will play they're saying shaq oh man can he yacked watching blood sport all day shouting kumate they're on the podcast now our five-star family it's a second opinion from amazon

Speaker 15 Thank you, Lindsay.

Speaker 16 Wow, you did great.

Speaker 15 New York friends. Well done.
Well done.

Speaker 15 New York Friends of Second Opinion Songs. Also, what's its mission, shirt? What's its mission?

Speaker 15 The shirt that was taken down by the Disney Corporation.

Speaker 15 All right, so these are five-star reviews cold from Amazon. You can't stop us, though, Disney.
You can't stop us.

Speaker 15 But they did stop us from selling that shirt.

Speaker 15 Here we go.

Speaker 15 This is,

Speaker 15 it starts off a little confrontational. This is just from someone.
I should say I also am not able to sell my little spermaid shirts anymore either.

Speaker 15 The little spermaid shirt?

Speaker 15 That's pretty good.

Speaker 15 It's okay. It's okay, guys.

Speaker 15 That's solid.

Speaker 15 It's alright.

Speaker 16 No, it's good. That one was better than the other one.

Speaker 15 The little sperm?

Speaker 15 Like a little more.

Speaker 16 That actually took me a while.

Speaker 15 Little sperm. Oh, little spermaid.

Speaker 15 It's another movie. It took you a while, right? Yes, it did.

Speaker 16 I watched that movie every day with my four-year-old, and that took me a while. Can I hear a little more? What does it look like?

Speaker 15 What does it look like? Specifically. It looks like Ariel.
Right? Red hair. Her tail is a sperm's tail.

Speaker 15 It's not a fish's tail.

Speaker 16 You know what was fucking me up? I was going the other way.

Speaker 15 Interesting. So the face

Speaker 16 was a little sperm with a little mermaid tail.

Speaker 15 I get it.

Speaker 16 I actually would argue that's a better visual.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Guys, well, you know what? We'll throw it to you, the audience.

Speaker 15 Draw up mock-ups of what you think the little sperm aid should be and send them directly to. What's your Twitter, St.
Clair? I don't know.

Speaker 16 St. Claire.jessica.

Speaker 15 Great.

Speaker 16 Or something like that.

Speaker 16 I don't know. Guys, I don't even know how to check it.

Speaker 15 No joke.

Speaker 15 These are five-star reviews from Amazon.

Speaker 15 Starts off a little confrontational here.

Speaker 15 This was written September 4th, 2000, and it's referencing a VHS purchase of Superman 4.

Speaker 15 And out of the gate, starts like this. First of all, to that guy from Sacramento, California.
It doesn't look like you've seen Superman 4 because there's no person named Lucy in it.

Speaker 15 I've watched it a million times over and over, and there is no Lucy.

Speaker 15 Secondly, you don't make any sense when you say they used unused footage from the earlier film in Superman. In the Reeves and Hackman scenes, they look the same.

Speaker 15 So don't make statements you haven't researched.

Speaker 15 Lois is known to open up to Clark about Superman. Don't you know?

Speaker 15 Five stars.

Speaker 15 Clearly, the dude from Sacramento, California got Lacey and Lucy confused. That was the confusion.

Speaker 15 This is one of my favorite ones,

Speaker 15 also on a VHS tape. This was written in June 7th, 1999.

Speaker 15 I know most of you don't like this movie. I cannot change that.

Speaker 15 just turned 10.

Speaker 15 And I have watched this movie at least four times with all of my friends. Zev, Andrew, Vic, and Billy.

Speaker 15 Okay, we can do this. And they all love this movie.

Speaker 15 And it's not just us, the children.

Speaker 15 We know who this movie was made for. Sure, discount it for your so-called cheesy special effects, but the kids? We don't care.
The movie has a comic book storyline, a good one to be exact.

Speaker 15 And Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Mark Pillow, and John Cryer, and Gene Hackman are a great cast. Although you may not think my opinion counts, but I hope it does to some of you.

Speaker 15 I would love...

Speaker 15 I would love it if that 10-year-old kid was now like, what, 20, 30? When was this? 28. 28.
And in this audience. And was in this audience.

Speaker 15 So we could beat the shit out of him.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 this one,

Speaker 15 I will say when I read this one, I thought, oh, this person's being facetious. But then I.
You know what? Because it's like beating the shit out of a 10-year-old, but not. Oh.

Speaker 15 Yeah, because he's 28 now. Because he's getting a beating he deserves for the 10-year-old, but he's an adult who can take it cut to the guy who's like I'm here

Speaker 15 nuclear man

Speaker 15 I I thought this one was facetious but I I kind of went down a wormhole and I found that it is not

Speaker 15 it's written by film aficionado in 2005 and it is titled much

Speaker 15 better than the first three Superman films.

Speaker 15 Well, some 14-year-old children apparently think this movie is a flop.

Speaker 15 Think they know the meaning of movies.

Speaker 15 The meaning of movies.

Speaker 15 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. That 14-year-old brat doesn't even know the meaning of acne cream that he has to smear all over his gangly adolescent face.

Speaker 15 Any mature adult with half a brain knows Superman 4 is a fine superhero film. Better than the Batman, the X-Men, and Spider-Man franchises, Meryl Hemingway is incredible.

Speaker 15 The special effects are years ahead of their time, and Nuclear Man is

Speaker 15 the greatest.

Speaker 15 The clincher, John Cryer. Need I say more? Five stars! Five stars!

Speaker 15 Like, honestly,

Speaker 15 honestly, the 10-year-old kids review is much better.

Speaker 15 Yeah, and by the way, he ends, need I say more? Yes. Yeah,

Speaker 15 you need say more.

Speaker 15 Just to give you some how to just get made knowledge here, the original,

Speaker 15 the director of this movie was Sidney Fury, who directed the Jazz Singer, which is a movie that we also did in this podcast. Wow.
And he was fired after 48 hours of shooting the jazz singer.

Speaker 15 Whoa, what happened in those 48 hours? Oh, wait, of Jazz Singer. Yeah, he shot 48 hours of jazz singer.
Got it. He shot, not 48 hours.
Wait, he shot the movie 48 hours during the movie.

Speaker 15 And you need to get it. Double fire him, too.

Speaker 16 He's double booked himself.

Speaker 15 We gotta fire you. You're shooting a whole other movie.
Right.

Speaker 15 No, this director, Sidney Fury, literally shot 48 hours of unusable footage for the jazz singer and then was fired and replaced by another director. Can I ask a question? Yes.

Speaker 15 Was that footage used in the movie? Yes. Because it was awful.
No, I'm just.

Speaker 15 Then this movie,

Speaker 15 so in this year, the biggest movies were Three Men and a Baby, Fatal Attraction, and Beverly Hills Cop 2. This movie came in 69th of the top gross movies.
69th!

Speaker 15 Yeah!

Speaker 15 And it was beaten by other how to get made movies like The Running Man, Jaws 4, Masters of the Universe, and Over the Top. And

Speaker 15 the only one that it beat was the Garbage Pail Kids movie. um oh god and finally i just want to say that um by the way sinclair no no no no no no no no no no no no

Speaker 15 you know i can't even the tagline of this movie it was nuclear power in the best hands it's dangerous in the hands of lex luthor it's evil this is superman's greatest battle and it is for all of us that's too long that's way too long of a tagline paragraph too long but there is finally one thought that we need to hear.

Speaker 15 Somebody from far away has recorded her thoughts about this movie.

Speaker 15 Yes!

Speaker 15 Yes!

Speaker 16 And oh, I miss her so much.

Speaker 15 And here we go.

Speaker 16 Hello, New York City.

Speaker 15 I'm so...

Speaker 16 Sad to be here in Montreal and not there with you guys discussing Superman 4, The Quest for Peace.

Speaker 16 Guys, don't worry about this hat.

Speaker 16 You may have questions. I don't have any good answers there.
But I do want to, Paul asked me to talk about Superman 4, The Quest for Peace, and take a stab. I haven't seen the movie.

Speaker 15 Won't see the movie.

Speaker 16 Will not ever watch this film.

Speaker 16 But that said,

Speaker 16 I mean, I don't watch any of them unless I'm doing the podcast, obviously. That said,

Speaker 16 I will take a stab at what this movie might be about. The plot to me is probably about Superman

Speaker 16 trying to stop

Speaker 16 nuclear destruction and Lex Luthor somehow bringing the world to the brink.

Speaker 16 I do find it odd though it's called The Quest for Peace, like as though that that distinguishes it from any other Superman movie.

Speaker 15 They're all The Quest for Peace, ultimately.

Speaker 16 I will say though, the only thing I will add is that I love Christopher Reeve

Speaker 15 and I appreciate him and I miss him

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 16 I think the love that he and Dana Reeve shared is a love I've never known. No offense Paul

Speaker 16 and the fact that she died so soon after him seems meaningful.

Speaker 15 and great.

Speaker 16 I don't think she could be here without him.

Speaker 16 So that's my only thought, really.

Speaker 16 And have a great night, you guys. Have fun.
I wish I was there. I love you all.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 Final word from June.

Speaker 15 So obviously, we talk about these movies. We want to know, would you recommend this movie for the purpose of what we're doing here, enjoying them on a bad movie level? Jason.

Speaker 15 Well, I'm curious how many people here watched this in preparation.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 pretty worth it. This is a pretty fun one, you know.
It's a little long, you know.

Speaker 15 90 minutes. It's a little long, but I could have, you know, I could have taken a little bit less of it, but very fun, like really corny and silly.
There's a lot of good, like, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 15 Yes, I would recommend.

Speaker 16 Jessica? I would as well, because it doesn't have to do with the post-apocalyptic future, which really does make make me sick.

Speaker 15 Wait, what?

Speaker 15 Any movies?

Speaker 16 A lot of the movies you guys make me watch have to do with like Pluto Nash, like this is what the future is going to be like, and we're all wear blazers. And

Speaker 16 that makes me feel sick.

Speaker 16 Free Jack that's coming up made me really sick.

Speaker 15 How do you feel about this?

Speaker 15 How do you feel about like Hungie Games? Does Hungie Games? No, I can't.

Speaker 16 Yes. I haven't seen it.

Speaker 16 You haven't seen the Hungie Games. All I know is What's Her Face is in that clown makeup.

Speaker 16 You know. Oh, Liz Banks? Yeah, and that they're shooting each other for food, and I don't want to see it.
You know. Lennon told me the plot of that one and

Speaker 16 the girl with the dragon tattoo, and I didn't get past. She was awarded the state.

Speaker 15 Dot, dot, dot.

Speaker 16 And I said, I can't, what are you telling me?

Speaker 15 I don't think you should watch that.

Speaker 16 So this one didn't scare me, and that's why I liked it.

Speaker 15 So that's your measurement for liking a film or not is whether it scared you. Yep.
All right. So it's.

Speaker 16 It didn't scare me and it didn't make me feel sick.

Speaker 15 Four, five stars. Natasha.

Speaker 15 You obviously went down a rabbit hole with this one.

Speaker 16 Yeah, I would recommend the first 20.

Speaker 15 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Until you realize that he's not Spider-Man, then you turn it off.

Speaker 16 It's not even that so much. I just feel like after that, it's, you know, excessive.
Except.

Speaker 15 The first verse. By the way, I'm gonna do a 20-minute movie.
Like, you were gonna do a 20 minute movie, you would have preferred it to be an episode of television,

Speaker 16 yeah. But this is also my preference with karaoke, and this is a great idea, so don't steal it.

Speaker 16 Which is a similar idea, which is, I think it should only be the first verse, chorus, you're done.

Speaker 15 I'm a 90-second karaoke guy. I'm like, I think that's what all karaoke is.

Speaker 16 That's a big idea.

Speaker 15 90 seconds.

Speaker 15 I'm giving it

Speaker 16 half a Fray tonight.

Speaker 15 I'm crazy.

Speaker 15 I

Speaker 15 I feel similar. Less singing during karaoke, the better, so much so that I would abolish karaoke.

Speaker 15 There we go.

Speaker 15 Guess what? I don't want to hear all you fucks singing in a bar I'm in. So I'm basically saying just the hits.
Just the hits of this one. All right.
So I would also recommend it.

Speaker 15 Let's go down the plug line here. Natasha, what do you want to plug?

Speaker 16 I don't want to plug.

Speaker 15 Okay, great. Jessica, you want to plug anything?

Speaker 15 No. Okay.
Oh, I don't. No, no, no.
I'll have a plug.

Speaker 16 A plug. Netflix.

Speaker 15 What a place. What a place.

Speaker 15 Amazing place.

Speaker 16 Don't fuck you ain't love it.

Speaker 15 Great place. Great.
It's great.

Speaker 16 Great shows, great people.

Speaker 16 Orange is the new black wonderful show we make.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that's a good one. I love that show.

Speaker 16 I'm shooting it now. It's a great show.

Speaker 15 What channel is Netflix?

Speaker 15 Which is a question my parents asked. I'm just asking you.

Speaker 15 What channel is it? Yeah.

Speaker 16 I do want to plug that Wamp It Up is coming back

Speaker 16 November 25th and Gutterballs will be back and things get really intense. We look at his commitment issues and

Speaker 15 yeah, we make some strikes. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 15 Don't worry about it. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Be very exciting.

Speaker 15 I will, Jason, what do you want to plug? Oh,

Speaker 15 I'll continue to plug Big Big Mouth, the... Oh, the best.

Speaker 15 The fantastic.

Speaker 15 The fantastic animated show on Netflix

Speaker 15 that's got a whole bunch of people that you love from comedy,

Speaker 15 as well as animated dicks.

Speaker 15 Nothing. And animated vaginas.

Speaker 15 So it's pretty great. It's a really funny show about kids going through puberty.

Speaker 16 Congratulations, such a great show.

Speaker 15 I will, I mean, this is a long-term plug, but I'll plug the disaster artist, which is coming out.

Speaker 15 That looks so good. Yeah, Jason, myself, and June are all in it with a bunch of amazing people.
James Frankel plays Tommy Wizzo.

Speaker 15 Dave Frankel plays Greg Sestero. It's really good.

Speaker 15 All right. Thank you, New York.
We're going to post Victors.

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