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A movie performed with all the grandeur and enthusiasm of a theme park stunt show.

We saw Superman 4: The Quest for Peace.

So, you know what that means?

Swanston Aga Grove, baby in his belly, rock a rhyme stone vest while whipping Justin DeKelly.

Or maybe see a burlesque show with Nick Crow and take a boat with speed to hitting cruise control.

J-Man, Big Paul, and the beautiful June.

Gonna take you from the goof all the way to the room.

Random games of Street Fighter hope to blow off steam.

Just to suck a punch the odd life of Timothy Green.

Shock nadle to bird demic, how we stayin' alive.

They call it in the badass, and he's on the line.

Cranking 88 minutes cause they cool as ice.

Cause the bad Jim Barney looking kind and nice.

Paul and June getting literal.

Jason is getting laid.

June is making sure all the monkey shots getting paid.

They judge a bunch of movies while they're making the grade.

Here's a real question for you: how did this get made?

Hello, people of earth, and hello, people of New York City.

Thank you.

We are here live at Town Hall

in the heart of New York City, just

steps away from the daily planet where Clark Kent works and Superman flies overhead.

And we have a doozy of a movie to talk about tonight.

Wow.

But I cannot do it alone.

Tonight, I'd like to do this with my co-host, always with my co-host, really.

Jason Manzukes.

What's up, Charles?

All right,

here we go.

New York City electric crowd

great, great-looking crowd, Paul.

Great-looking crowd.

This is not a bunch of people who read the Warfield publications.

I tell you that much.

These are real New Yorkers.

I was just in the Starbucks getting a coffee.

Yeah.

I believe every single person in the Starbucks was on their way to the show.

A lot of people wanted to talk to me about the show.

And I gave them my classic, don't you fucking talk to me!

I I talk to you through your ears.

It's what makes you- Not in person.

It makes you approachable, though.

It's a...

Yeah.

Spoiler alert, I got kicked out of that Starbucks.

Because you said it to the barista, who was simply asking for your order.

By the way, he was a big fan.

Jason, I'll have you know, this is the first movie I ever walked out of.

Or

I should say almost walked out of as a child I was a huge Superman fan I went

this is the first movie I walked out of and then you said wait this is the first movie I almost walked out well that's wait in fact I'm lying not watch this movie well no I watched it for this walk out no for this I watched it but as a child I saw it in an empty theater with a friend I was like oh you're gonna love it Superman is the best it's so good and like 20 minutes in I was like how old are you what year is this I uh it is uh somebody tell us

87, 87.

You fucks.

So I'm like, I'm like, think of all the things you could be remembering in life.

I'm like nine years old.

Yeah, okay.

And I'm seeing this movie for, you know, like, I'm so excited.

And then I'm like, it sucks.

And, and we, I'm like, should we leave?

But it was also so exciting to see a movie that we just walked to the back of the theater and like hung out by the

And you watched it in a worse fashion.

And well, then we were like, I hate this so much, I want it to be harder to watch.

But then we're like, well, let's just pretend we're Superman and we would just run up and down the aisle pretending to fly and ignoring the movie.

So

I would, if I was in a movie

and I was on the aisle and there was a kid.

Oh, I would straight up clothesline that kid.

The side note was the theater was completely empty.

Oh, we were the only two people with paying tickets.

I respect that.

So then why did you go to the back?

Because they were like, should we leave?

And we just hung out by the door.

Like, we'll go.

There is a movie we have not done that we should probably do, which is, I believe, the only movie I walked out of.

Yes.

Which I walked out of with my entire family.

Because I was, I'm going to guess similar age-ish.

I'm not sure.

And it is the Hercules movie that Lou Farigno stars in.

Wherein at one point he picks up a bear, he throws the bear into outer space,

and the bear becomes the constellation of stars, Ursa Major.

But, and correct me if I'm wrong, that's in a movie.

Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

That was done all practically.

That was a real bear, actually.

And it was, to be fair, a documentary.

Well, Jason,

we have

a very special guest filling in tonight for this, How Did This Get Made All-Star?

Has this been announced?

No.

No one knows who it is until right now.

Before we do that, I just want to say, what's up, Balcony?

You guys get it.

You guys get it.

You waited the longest to get tickets and you're wasted already.

Tonight, we have a very special guest.

She made her first appearance on the show in a little movie called Pluto Nash.

Please welcome Jessica St.

Clair!

Wow!

Welcome!

Wow!

Welcome!

Yeah!

This is great.

Jessica,

we have kidnapped you to come with us on our little How did this get made tour.

Forced you to watch these movies.

First thoughts out of the gate for Superman 4, Quest for Peace.

Made me feel sick.

I also am curious,

how hard was it for you to figure out how to watch these movies?

So

hard.

I did try to be very specific about making sure you had every way to find these movies.

And I still didn't.

I was on the plane and I was like, oh god no streaming and then I was like I don't have the right headphones and then I thought to myself I'm gonna have to play it out loud and I was prepared to wait you don't have the right headphones

I had to purchase them I had to purchase them from Virgin America It was tough stuff.

So actually, to be honest, one of them were broken.

So I listened.

I had to go like this.

I could only listen with one ear.

That was enough, though.

So you cocked your head over an iPad or a laptop?

Yes.

So you couldn't be watching the screen.

Yeah, yeah.

I was watching, half, half watching it.

I got it.

I got the gist.

I got the subtitles.

I got the gist.

I got the gist.

All right, great.

I thought that those guys were going to show up.

Which movie do the guys in the pleather suits from Outer Space Really?

I'm going to span two.

Oh, thank God it wasn't that one.

Because that one really made me feel sick.

What?

That's the best one.

That movie is

compared to this movie.

I disagree.

This one had kind of the charm of like when Harry Met Sally.

What?

As you can tell, our choice of substitute guest is perfect.

Ladies and gentlemen, I think it, and I will, I'm only, I would like to give the audience license if St.

Clair does it to June her.

Go ahead.

If you think that's appropriate, you should feel free to indulge in it.

Guess what?

June June got my hair cut.

Took a picture of it.

Went and got it.

Let's also bring out our very special guest tonight.

She is fantastically funny, amazingly talented.

You've seen her on Orange is a New Black.

She has a short film that she wrote and directed called Kiberia, Charity, Chastity, which is on YouTube.

And Kenzo, please welcome Natasha Leone.

Yeah,

that's my hand.

Now it's getting

full time.

Welcome, Natasha.

Thank you.

Now, right out of the gate for you as well, your first experience.

Is this your first Superman movie that you've seen?

I don't think so.

I don't

care, I want to to say

as like just a vague opener.

But were you familiar with Superman as a customer?

Yeah, I know Superman exists for sure.

For sure.

In fiction.

Or are you saying right now

you know Superman exists for real?

No, like you are telling me.

All over the place, Superman is always everywhere.

Yeah.

So everybody knows Superman.

For sure.

That's

everyone knows Superman.

You got it.

But like, not my bag.

It's not like you're not going to seek out.

You would never watch this movie.

No.

Okay.

But maybe have seen it.

Right.

But don't care.

Maybe, maybe it was on in the background like one day while you were a home.

Well, I was a kid.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, check out.

This does settle a huge internet conspiracy.

Yeah, you were a new child.

You were a kid.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, big time.

Because a lot of people on Reddit are saying that you arrived with a 36-year-old woman.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there are pictures of you full-size as a baby, which people are confused.

Yes, and that's on me.

But no, I was, you know, gremlins.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I know this.

Did you enjoy your experience with Superman 4 the Quest for Peace?

All right.

That's, by the way, that sums up this movie.

Yes.

It's such a cash grab.

Just to put some context on it,

the Salt Kinds, who made the first three movies, were like,

this thing ran out of money.

So they sold it to these other people, the Cannon Film Company, who've made

some classic films in R.

I didn't realize that.

So they kind of like,

we'll milk this cash cow.

But right out of the gate, the movie was budgeted for like about 40 million.

And then a week before it started, they cut it down to 16 million.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, who got that secret money?

Like, where are the extra?

Well, there's a lot of suspect stuff at the Canon Company.

Yeah, there's a lot.

Like, I would say that everything in Lex Luthor's apartment was like from one of those guys' house.

Like,

I would bet a lot of it is from other Canon movies that they just had in storage.

Yeah, because nothing makes sense in Lex Luther's apartment.

By the way, Hackman comes out smelling like roses.

Who does?

Jane.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Are you telling me that they did not blow holes in the Great Wall of China in this movie?

By the way, there are no Asian people on that wall.

I rewound it.

I rewound it too.

Because then I thought, maybe this isn't the Great Wall.

Maybe this is a wall in England that I'm not aware of.

Adrian's Wall or something.

The Great Wall of Brighton.

Brighton.

I literally.

Because there's not one Asian to be seen.

Well, I mean, you could maybe argue that not a lot of Asian people go to the Great Wall because they live there.

I went on this mental journey as well.

But you've got to imagine that somebody's grandmother's coming to visit

and they're saying, hey, you know, let's go see the Great Wall.

There should be a tour guide of Asian descent, you would think.

I had an issue with the Great Wall scene simply because I couldn't discern what power Superman was using to rebuild the wall.

It was a nuclear man, and we'll get into the plot.

The plot, I mean, it's a loose assemblage of scenes in this movie.

I hate to say it, but it was all, it was very obviously masonry vision.

One of Superman's lesser-known powers is that he can look at masonry and put it back together.

The grout work is flawless.

Can I ask a question, Paul?

You seem to be a Superman expert.

Yeah, sure.

Professionally, yes.

It seems that all he does is catches things and moves them.

Is that, does he have any other

things he can do?

He also blows on cold air.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hey.

Whoa, too soon.

Too soon.

He can blow cold air.

He can move things.

He has a vibe.

He has heat vision.

He catches.

Great.

He catches.

Like women in the middle, floating women.

Yeah.

By the way.

In the air, boom, he's there.

I have to say, I was pretty amazed to see that this movie, or I guess gravity, ripped off this movie pretty badly.

The first sequence of this movie was straight up gravity.

And, you know, I'm just saying, look, I'm not one to point a finger, but I think they stole it from this movie.

Yeah, yeah.

I think a lot of movies stole directly from this movie.

Oh, yeah.

The Great Wall with Matt Damon.

Also, a movie

with all white dudes on the Great Wall.

I'm starting to think we've been misled, and China is full of white people.

Just to

hit back that Great Wall thing.

So apparently that was going to be a very big section of the movie that Nuclear Man Destroys the Great Wall of China.

Is that what he said?

Is that his name?

Or are you calling him that?

That's his name.

Nuclear Man.

Does it ever say that?

Well, that should be a shock to you.

That's the thing.

Like, Mike Luther does say it, okay?

He does?

Because I missed him say it too, and I kept being like, who is this?

And what's up with those Lee press-on nails?

Whoa.

Those press-on nails.

What's up with that?

Nothing's more scarier than like a delicate nail.

Like a gel.

It's like a gel I got done recently.

That was the moment where I felt like I checked out from like kitsch, you know, of like, oh, it's charming.

Look at all this kids, this CGI cutout, whatever, to now I don't want to play anymore.

Because

thank you for lasting that long.

Yeah, because I was like, with the fake nails, I was like, this is, now nobody out of movie,

nobody cares about the work they're doing.

That's a woman's hand.

Yeah.

This is.

And here's poor Margot Kidder giving it everything she's got.

And by the way, his nail beds are terrible.

Oh, my man.

Well, there is nothing...

It's like there is nothing more scary to me than that guy in the Guinness.

Can you freeze?

Yes.

Can you freeze?

Oh, shit.

No.

Can you back up?

I'll back it up.

Do you think he's like, wait, are those my nails?

Yeah.

Like, they had the budget originally for like claws.

You crazy.

You got to cut a mess.

Lee press on nails?

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I have so many issues with nuclear man

ultimately because a majority clearly they ran out of money and they're like, let's just do a fight scene on the moon.

But we've been told that nuclear man's power is from the sun.

Right.

So anytime he leaves the atmosphere of Earth, he's in darkness.

He should be totally.

No, only if he's on the dark side of the moon.

Because the sun is still getting away from the middle.

Okay, so that sun is still getting him?

I mean,

but we're saying, like, Lex Luther is a little bit more than a little bit of a game.

There's a much bigger problem.

There's a much bigger problem, which is the man I've just found out name is Nuclear Man, flies, it's Mariel Hemingway, right?

No, who's the Meryl Hemingway?

Yes, yeah, Mariela Hemingway flies her into space where she appears to be like she can breathe.

What's happening?

She can breathe.

She would literally implode

and be just a floating pile of guts that would go on forever

because the dead the like the silence of space and the inertia of whatever motion would bring her blobby corpse of nonsense through the rest of the galaxy that's right well let's

let's even break down the fact when superman flies with lois lane he goes from new york to San Francisco so quick that she would also be dead.

And there would be no time for casual conversation in that flight.

It'd be like, wood a lot.

Also, if I'm Superman and I'm, oh, you hold my hand this way.

And I'm holding,

if I'm holding

why it, ooh, why does it burn?

So wet.

Why does your touch burn?

So wet.

Okay.

Okay.

So if we're flying this way and I'm like,

there's no way she's also doing this.

She would be dangling down here

You be Superman now you be Superman

works on me, but he lets her fly on her own like Peter Pan he doesn't let her fly.

He lets her plummet

He lets her plummet and experience death.

He does like a straight-up suicide pack with her, walks her off the building.

This I had a problem.

That was crazy.

Okay, okay, this is a worthwhile scene to watch because it's so crazy.

Yeah.

Like,

why would he do this?

He had a flush on her, and he says, I want to get some, let's get some fresh air.

Yeah, can I ask a question before we play this?

Yes.

That was confusing for me about this.

At this point, she does not know he's Superman.

Well, that's my question.

This is what we need to get to the bottom of.

So as a professional Superman expert, what I find the most upsetting about this film is they...

A PSE.

A PSE.

A PSE.

Is they just repurpose scenes from the first two movies.

Like this scene where he takes her flying is in Superman 1 and it's beautiful and it's like an amazing scene.

And he's like, let's just do it because he needs to tell her a secret and then he's going to give her amnesia again.

But in Superman 2, the whole thing is she finds out he is Clark Kennedy, Superman.

That's amnesia, and then they forget it?

Well, so what happens is they're at a hotel,

they're doing an expose on like cheesy hotels, and

she keeps on trying to kill herself to prove that he would rescue her as Superman.

And then he finally puts his hand in a fire.

I know too much about Superman.

And...

It's not in this movie.

No, no, but this is, but no, but this is the fourth one.

So in the lineage of the story, like, that's the fourth one.

So we understand that.

So, but the idea was at the end of Superman 2, she's like, I'll keep your secret.

I know everything.

He's like, great.

Then he kisses her so hard that she forgets everything from that movie.

What?

And so, because like in the first movie, he flies around the earth and then rewinds the earth, which I have issues with.

But so he kisses her so hard, she forgets.

What's interesting is can't the flash do the same thing?

Yes, so that's a problem.

But nobody gives a shit about the flash.

The flash would have to run.

If there's two people in the DC universe who can reverse time simply by reversing the axis of

that's really

foolish.

Tell it to the people at DC.

You know what?

I'm going to.

Take care, everybody.

See you later.

Only coming back when I've got an answer.

Bendis is finally going over to DC to correct this problem.

But this is, so this thing where he just like takes her on a flight and then basically roofies her to not remember.

But then she goes, That happens all the time?

No, that's this is this is why this movie.

No, but this is why this movie makes it so dumb because it was a big deal that she found out.

And then he fixed it.

And now it seems like whenever he wants to kind of like chat with his therapist, he's like, when Superman 3, what happens there?

She doesn't know that he, she doesn't, she's barely in it.

And she doesn't know.

She's she's like off in France was she in France yes, she was in France.

She's always in France.

She loves France

Superman 2 opens up with her in France movie perpetrates that myth that women love

France.

That's true.

So but basically

so the whole idea is that it's a big deal that she knows, but then she says to him,

I always remembered.

Even when you gave me that amnesia kiss, I remembered because she said, I never forgot.

But then that takes away everything.

It's a stupid, it's stupid.

So, wait, when he gives her this amnesia kiss,

I guess.

Does she still remember?

Wait, is that a power he has in addition to moving things?

So, can he kiss and it not be an amnesia kiss?

Don't kiss it.

Every time he kisses you, you don't remember what just happened.

Like, that's it.

Or, like, what if they decide to say that?

It's like a Superman Roof.

You know that.

Exactly.

You feel like your butthole's sore, but you don't know why.

Yeah, right?

That's how people love each other.

That's how people love each other.

This is a love.

We women are taking back the night.

Topple the patriarchy.

We're going to topple the patriarchy in France.

You know,

I wanted to ask Natasha because as a young

girl,

one of my earliest sexual memories was watching Flash Gordon, old school, where they had like a tin can and then like he'd be tied up.

There's even no new school of Flash Gordon.

Okay, fine.

So that was it.

And then I was tired of it.

You mean the TV show?

The TV show.

Yeah, where people be tied up every so often.

You know what I mean?

People be tied up.

Hang on.

Yeah,

that's right.

Love to unpack this one.

At any rate, I spent a lot of this movie watching it, thinking, like, did this turn me on when I was little?

And I was wondering, I think

top-up Superman does it for me.

Yeah.

From the bottom, especially those boots,

is killing my lady boner.

Yeah.

I would argue that.

Did you feel anything?

I can't tell because I was so blinded by definitely Gene Hackman, like Lex Luthor.

That's what you were into.

Interesting.

That's my scene.

And I feel like in general.

That's your scene.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

An apartment that looks like a TJ Maxx Home Goods.

I don't care.

You know what I mean?

That is your scene.

I'm talking about his fucking that gold blazer he puts on.

Well, I think he and Mariel Hemingway were sharing wardrobe.

I am not.

A bottle of May.

I am not surprised to find out that Natasha Leone is horny for villains.

Yeah.

Yeah, Lex Luther, come on.

And the whole time he's like, he's like, he's so

cocky.

He's like, well, he still has a genius.

Give me all your money.

I'm taking over.

I want to see

this movie.

I just want to see this movie.

And he's like, yo, Ducky, break me out of the clink.

You know?

He's great.

I just got a text.

Jesse Eisenberg has been fired as Lex Luthor in the new movies.

You are in.

I wish I could get a job like that.

I will say that as much as it seems like no one wanted to be here, Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve are, first of all, Christopher Reeve killing it, I think.

Always, always in the moment.

But Gene Hackman also, funny thing about Gene Hackman is Lex Luther is a bald man, fully a bald man, but like he was like at a certain point, oh, I don't want to wear that bald wig anymore.

So he just wore his normal hair, and they never justify it.

Like, at least in the second one, they're like, oh, it's a wig, and then he takes it on.

That's what Lex is like.

He's like, fuck your wig.

I don't want to fucking wear it.

That's That's why.

Don't you feel like, Lex, that Gene Hackman, that was like the last time his hair was like that full.

And it was kind of giving him some energy, like some like a real

choad of vivre, you know what I mean?

He had a very Bill Murray-esque energy.

I thought I was like, yeah, I liked it.

I liked it.

But also,

I also thought the worst plan of all time to escape from jail, Lex is working on a chain gang.

Yeah.

His nephew,

Lenny Luther, played by John Cryer,

comes to the city.

With whom he is literally Ducky, but with like a Valley girl accent.

Yeah, the accent.

Big, big choice.

Like, I'm sure that for all of us watching certain things, like Margot Kidder's French, Mariel Hemingway on the Table, like Ducky's accent, you're like, as an actor, you're like, wow, these are major choices.

It's almost like at the beginning the director was like, I need everybody to make a choice that that seems too big then double it

they're like we're gonna make up for the lack of budget in performance

you give me two million dollars what about john cry who's like the scene you can tell is looping when he's being spun

and that's where the valley girl i want to watch that too

jonk

well the plan to pick up

for lex and this is where the movie is that's lazy it's like he comes in a car and the plan is like this car is going to be so cool that the two security guards watching Chain Gang are going to be like I need to listen to the sound system in this car

so then they're going to have to get in and then he got a remote control to flip down the seat never mind that he has just driven up to

a prison camp

and then the car like launches off a cliff and then That's their only means of escape.

Yeah, no.

No, there's a truck.

The truck the prisoners arrived in is what they then leaked.

Oh, okay, all right.

Well then, good, then.

But I will, I agree.

I agree, they trashed a pretty cool car.

I like that car.

It was all decked out with a lightning.

But also, did you guys think it was amazing?

Like, seconds after, so they drive off a cliff.

They're definitely dead.

Then you cut to the police.

You think?

Right?

But, then you cut and the police are like, we're still right.

And I feel like somebody in a screening was like, that's too sad.

And so then they just put them on a rock in Griffith Park and we're like, ah, I'm still here.

This whole movie is about weird cutaways.

Like when Superman and Lois Lane are flying, she takes off his glasses and then puts her on like a belt loop.

That's weird.

These for later.

But it's also very much a cartoon.

And

that's what comics are like on the big screen.

Interesting.

No, but I think

just, yeah, that...

I don't want to talk about this.

Just a couple.

So a couple of things about this movie.

Christopher Reeve had story by credit.

This is his movie.

He wanted to tell this story because the nuclear arms race was very important to him.

And he also.

He was a notorious communist.

Am I correct?

Yes.

And that was

pro-Russia.

Yes.

And that's part of the thing that goes on that we don't really see, but yes.

Can I say something?

I'm so sorry to interrupt.

This show is

interruptions

all the time.

So don't you worry.

On Amazon, are you guys familiar?

When you watch it and then there's the little pop-ups of the information, early on it says,

oh, Christopher Reeves was so sad that the movie was such a flop and it was so bad that it destroyed any credibility he had.

And he was really had put his heart in it and was very disappointed to find out that it was going to be actually this bad of a movie.

And it really colored my experience.

Yeah, Christopher Reeve,

I did.

I just felt and of course because of you know his life and tragedy and then I did have this darker sort of K-hole.

You know what?

Come to think of it.

I have not seen him in a movie recently.

Okay.

Jerk City Population One.

Christopher Reeve,

he like, but they, but apparently, according to some of the research I hear here from our expert researcher, Nate Kiley, Christopher Reeve

was not super nice, or I guess not nice to Margot Kidder.

Margot Kidder is like, ah, he had a crazy ego on this movie because he wrote it and he wanted to do his own thing.

And then his autobiography.

Oh, and he fired a fancy director, did he?

Yeah, well, Wes Craven was the original director of this movie, guys.

Yes, Wes Craven.

Now,

this is Wes's pitch for the movie.

Okay.

Scary Superman.

Bigger nails.

Bigger nails.

And he comes out in Superman's dreams.

And he's clawing.

Oh, and his face is burnt from the sun.

And he's got a cool fedora made of the sun.

And he's got, and it's a red, it's like a red sweat.

It will never work, Wes.

It will never.

This is Christopher Reeves' autobiography, Still Me, he wrote, we were so hampered by budget constraints and cutbacks.

Canon films had 30 projects in the works, and Superman 4 received no special

consideration.

For example, we wrote a scene in which Superman lands on 42nd Street and walks down the double yellow lines to the United Nations, where he gives a speech.

If that had been a scene in Superman 1, we would have shot it on 42nd Street.

Richard Johnner would have choreographed hundreds of pedestrians and vehicles and cut the people gawking out of office windows.

And instead, we had to shoot in an industrial park in England in the rain with less than 100 extras, not a car in sight, and a dozen pigeons thrown in for atmosphere.

That is, that is fucked up.

Not a lot of credit was given to those pigeons.

Whose lives were lost.

Those few pigeons had to represent a multitude of pigeons.

You know,

it was credit figure sheet.

So many people.

Also, like, they didn't have pigeons in England before then, and then they brought those pigeons over there, and now they're like, Now pigeons have taken over England.

It's an epidemic of pigeons.

Well, well, well, between

Christopher Reese's disappointment, and of course, the way his life panned out,

and

Margot Kidder and the intensity level.

Which one is Margot Kidder?

Lois Lane.

Lois Lane.

Oh, got it.

And you know, what happened to Margo was not great.

Wait, what's up with Margot?

I really don't know what happened to Margo.

No, you're not being serious, are you?

I'm being serious.

Oh, well,

guys, we'll Google it later.

Google it later.

Let's all just be quiet for a second while you Google it and we watch.

Why?

Didn't like the gorilla get her rip her face off or something?

Well, the point of the story,

like a really tragic thing.

Very dark.

She,

the double whammy of their tragic lives for me

it felt very much like a K-hole experience of perhaps I was more like being watching Apocalypse Now and surround sound as like something about

the human cursed Yeah, like like humanity and how broken and how sad and how dark

it all becomes just because of kind of you know, the hope of the original Superman likely and then the turn their double life took.

I mean, and so.

And we'll be right back

after these messages.

Well, the one thing that was going great for this movie was the glasses.

Everyone had pretty big glasses, from Meryl Hemingway to the reporters.

Everyone was rocking some stuff.

Well, I think that tells us who is smart.

If you have glasses on, you're a smart person in the movie, right?

You know how to read or write.

I feel like they,

like in Tron, they did that too.

Like the lead in the original Tron

wore glasses, but you could tell he was not comfortable with it.

He's like, yeah, I'm a nerd, but I'm also sexy.

So he'd always just carry his glasses in his hand.

Like they were like, as they're almost like, yeah, I got these.

I can wear them at any time, but I'm not, because I'm sexy.

The guy who plays the editor-in-chief, is he always that person?

Perry White.

Perry White, the guy from David Warfield.

Thick, thick glasses.

That's Perry White.

That's Jackie Cooper.

Yes, he's been on the street.

He's

the kind of editor of the Daily Day.

And how do you feel like you know who's who?

I felt like in this movie though, everyone said, like, I'll definitely do Superman 4.

I can give you seven hours.

Yeah.

And no costume changes.

You're just going to show up in this LeMay suit, and I'm going to shoot it, and then I'm taking that suit with me.

Also, my family owns a gym.

One of the scenes needs to be shot in that gym.

Yeah.

Would it surprise you if I told you the original cut of the movie was 35 minutes long?

They had to add scenes for the movie.

135 minutes.

Two hours, sorry, over two hours, and it tested so good

that the Canon brother, the Canon film company, like, we got a hit on our hands.

Let's cut it to 90 so we can make play it more.

And so apparently, according to everything that I've read, the 135-minute version of the movie is actually pretty good.

Wow.

And they made it worse.

And I'm going to show you.

Was that ever released?

It is wild.

Like, does Ducky's drum talent have a storyline?

Because

we see them, we talk about them once, but I don't know what.

Nothing would make me happier than

if that was really Ducky.

At the end of 16 Candles, he was like, oh, I just got a letter.

My uncle Lex needs me to help out with something.

See you at the graduation.

I guess, yeah, I guess I'll see you later.

Well, nothing.

You should have chosen me.

By the way,

nothing in Lenny Luther's life made sense.

He's like, he's a valley guy, but he's also into music.

He was punk rock, because he has like a mohawk.

Was he?

I mean, but it was like nothing really.

Like, if he was punk rock, like, that.

I feel like he was all teen

things in one.

Yeah.

So that every group could be like, he's just like me.

By the way, it worked for the nine-year-old me.

I love John Cryer, and I was like, I love hiding out.

I love Pretty and Pink.

He's the best.

I would love to be Lenny Luther, you know.

So it worked for me.

See, it only worked for me at Ducky because I was like, I'm 100% Ducky.

But every other John Cryer, I was like, I'm not this guy.

Not even hiding out.

Hiding out is a good question.

Can I ask one question to you?

Remember the scene where they first broke out and they were in the museum with Superman's hair, real strong hair?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

They're wearing checkered pants that look like you would wear if you were a chef or something, right?

That's legitimate fashion for the music.

And a tiger top.

Is that a sports team I'm not aware of?

Or

why are they dressed identically?

This costume designer was mad.

Like, and took it out on the action.

Oh, I thought you meant insane mad.

Oh, no, no.

I'd be like for paycheck or his paycheck bounce

and he was like, yeah,

tiger shirt.

Yeah, it could have been one of those things where they were like, you know what?

We're giving you all the clothes that you can use.

Figure it out.

Like, as if the costume, though, the wardrobe department couldn't go and pick and choose stuff to build stuff.

They were like, we got a dump truck full of weird clothes.

Half of it's from a clown picture a couple years ago.

Make it work.

It's like kids playing dress up.

It's like this hat will go with these pants.

But it's almost radical, like, how 80s it is because it's one of these movies where across the board you forget how 80s the 80s are, and then you see something like this, and you're like, oh, that's what they mean.

Yeah, this is like when Christopher Reeve is selling his house and he's in those jeans that are so loose around his dick, they are teal, but then also so tight around his dick.

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yes, I thought this was a real John Ham scenario.

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It's yeah,

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Yeah.

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This whole scene, this whole like selling the farm scene seemed weird to me.

Can I ask a question?

Did mine, Pop Kent, die in Superman 3?

Sounds like it.

Or two.

I believe that.

Well,

Pop Kent dies in Superman 1.

That's okay.

Is that Brando?

No, Brando is Superman's father.

Clark Kent's dad is someone different.

It's from

Bowen Luke Duke, right?

Is it?

In the TV show.

Is it?

Oh, no, in the new one of the.

Oh, yeah, that's Smallville you're thinking of.

I think so, right.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah, right?

I believe it's Smallville.

I jerked it to that guy, though.

Straight up.

Well,

during Smallville time?

No.

No, during Dukes of Hazard.

Yeah.

Everybody jerked it to Dukes of Hazard, right?

Raise your hand if you jerked it to Dukes of Hazard, right?

Nobody got so young.

You coward.

I hear it.

Boss Hog all day long.

Roscoe P.

Coldrane.

The P stands for penis.

I'm just kidding.

It was.

Is he a new Superman?

Yes, Henry, Henry.

Oh, right, right, right.

Because I had a moment

where

I think it was after the suicide number.

Yeah.

That we were going to watch.

Boy, do I wish that had been a musical number.

And

then I was like, oh, this is crazy.

No wonder they keep remaking the picture with Toby McGuire and Kristen Dunst.

Oh, boy.

And then

I went down the road a bit inside my mind and discovered

that he's not Spider-Man.

Right.

I had a similar picture.

And by the way, I love that you almost had like, you almost had like a choose your own adventure journey on this.

You were watching pop-ups.

You were

down the rabbit hole.

Natasha, it took you maybe 25 to 30 minutes of the movie to realize Superman is not Spider-Man.

Again, like I say, not my genre.

Of course.

I had a similar feeling.

I really did.

Right?

And I knew that they existed.

Like I mentioned previously.

Sure.

I was fully aware of Superman's vague existence.

Of course.

And also Spider-Man's.

Sure.

However, for me, it's not something, it's not a Godfather remake.

Not that I want to see that, but I'm just saying.

Do you want to see a Godfather remake?

But I'm going to say it's not like...

Joshua Leon on record is saying they should remake the Godfather.

I'll walk off this stage.

I will walk.

No, I don't want to see a Godfather remake.

Yeah, but I'm going to say it's not something I really, but yeah, it's just crazy that they make so many of them.

And also, poor Kristen Dunstan, Toby McGuire.

Poor Dunstan.

Like, I mean, can you believe they must be like every five minutes they make another?

That was our remake.

Right.

Did you even know about Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone?

They did one too, the two of them.

Yeah.

And then now there's more.

There's more.

Now there's a new one.

There's a new one.

Now there's a new one saying it's a lot of people.

Tom Holland and Tom Holland and a bunch of other people.

And people love it.

They love love it.

I just don't want to spoil it.

I'm not going to say who the

casting director?

What's that?

Are you casting it?

Is that our casting?

I am no longer a casting director.

But you were great because you gave honest feedback, but you were also very supportive.

Yes.

Always very supportive.

And I always read with the people that I was auditioning with and tried to be better than them.

Yeah, yeah.

That came across.

A lot of people divides the lines.

A lot of people don't know that a lot of my acting work comes from being behind the camera, reading against actors, and then people being like, we should cast that reader.

Hey, can I just ask one question, Paul?

I'm so sorry.

This has been a question I've had in my mind for a long, long time, and I've never bothered to ask anyone or Google it.

That green stuff,

that green crystal, is that kryptonite.

What do you think is going on there?

What?

What do you think is going on there?

I think that his planet that he was born in was made of kryptonite.

What I can't understand is then why is kryptonite the one thing that will destroy him?

Yeah, you're pretty right, actually.

What do you mean?

That is like

that makes no sense.

I was pretty,

here is the reasoning behind it because I had the same thing, and I think this is what it is.

But that kryptonite is not bad, there's different types of kryptonite.

What?

Right, yes.

So there's no when kryptonite, I guess, exploded, different pieces of it came off.

I'm loose.

I'm fuzzy on this math as well.

I didn't understand why that kryptonite was like kind of like, you get another life.

Like, I didn't get like, oh, yeah, we just gave you this spare life in case, like, by the way, love that whole sequence where he became an old man and became bald.

Holy shit.

That's it.

On like one day.

I have questions about that.

Yeah.

I have questions about that, but very quickly, can one nerd explain the kryptonite to us?

Hold on, let me, if you can raise your hand.

Like, there's a blue kryptonite that does something, there's a red kryptonite that does something, but I think the kryptonite in this movie is bullshit.

Okay, hold on, I'm going to go down.

Be careful.

Gotta get in.

All right.

You're gonna explain the kryptonite.

What's your name, sir?

My name's Andrew.

Andrew?

Take it away, kryptonite.

Explanation.

So there's different kryptonite, but it's different colors.

This is just lazy filmmaking.

There is no other explanation.

I feel like they were like, let's have crystals.

And they're like, oh, well, he has green crystals, so let's make it green crystals.

But that's not what kryptonite is at all.

What is it?

It's never green.

Kryptonite.

No, kryptonite is green, and it's a whole thing where do you think that was kryptonite in the under the barn?

No, not at all, because it's part of his ship, which is also green for some reason.

Got it.

Okay.

Yeah.

It's just lazy.

It's just them.

So there was no green crystal.

There was not kryptonite.

That was just green substance.

That was speaking like his mother for some reason.

Right, but then when he goes, it was essentially underneath the Kent family barn is like an answering machine from his mom that he still plays the old message from because

it's like when you keep

an ex-lover's lover.

By the way,

kill me.

I'm done.

When you keep an ex's voicemail just to be like, oh, remember what they sounded like?

Yeah.

It's like that.

And then you accidentally hit return call.

Yeah.

And then you just leave a message.

Tells them how they really fucked up again.

And you talk about it on a podcast.

They'll call you.

Cut this out of the podcast.

Cut this out of the podcast.

We'll be right back.

But there was another part of that.

Oh, God.

So to the point about the kryptonite, I will say this.

It makes no sense that he goes back to the barn to get that piece of kryptonite because he already built his fucking fortress, which is where all the crystals are anyway.

It wouldn't be like, let me keep one spare here.

The only reason why he went back in the first place.

Why?

Because his mother says, the voice, I'm assuming it's his mother.

Yeah, it is his mother.

The voice says, once you remove this crystal, this green slime

will go dead, so he'll never be able to hear her voice again.

But he's been able to do that in the Fortress of Solitude in in the other movies.

Oh, really?

He talks to his mom?

Yeah.

Oh, okay, then fuck that.

Isn't that where he like removes it and puts it in?

Can I just talk about

the scene that drove me nuts?

And I know we haven't even really gotten into the whole nuclear war subplot, which is so prescient in this time.

Where he hammer throws a basket full of nuclear warheads.

I wanted to see him sew that net.

The net of...

By the way, a bold move to be like, I think that would be okay if I found

the sun.

If the warheads were all

jamming against each other, wouldn't they just blow up?

Yeah.

It's like a net of sardines, only it's a bunch of warheads.

How do you mean that is pipe?

Wait a minute.

How do you mean sardines?

What's that?

When you catch sardines, you

catch it in a net like that.

Instead of the sardines, it's a bunch of warheads in there.

So you're not even talking about sardines in a can.

You're talking about sardines in a fishing net.

Exactly.

That's how they are before they put put them in a can dick.

Right, but

when they're mashing up against each other, they don't explode.

That's right.

So I'll believe the ridiculousness of that nuclear net.

What I won't believe is

the weird justification that they got to get them to do a double date scene.

That double date scene is like,

why would he ever subject himself to such

stupidity?

That's insane.

And guess what?

She's serving.

serving scallops and duck

that are two risky risky meals to prepare so gross also for a date also gross it's gross but like on a texture level gross gross but superman somehow knows how to cook perfect duck like she's like the duck turned out great Was he speeding it up so that he'd have to stay there for too long?

Remember?

No, because he needed it to be on fire so that way he could get out and become Clark Kent.

But he didn't make it go on fire.

He just cooked it perfectly.

It's the classic.

But I would agree with you.

That's going to happen.

That would be the smart thing.

I was a little in and out.

It's the classic, oh no, I've got two dates at the same restaurant, and I have to show you.

But there was no reason for him to subject himself to that.

What happened?

Also, is Lois Lane dating Superman?

She has a thing with him.

She's just getting an interview, right?

Yes, but they always like have date-y interviews in the movies.

What's up with that?

Talk about that apartment.

That apartment, by the way.

Indoor hot tub.

Everybody in this movie has balconies, like giant balconies.

Even Superman, which seemingly, or Clark Kent, seemingly lives in a shithole, has a beautiful fireplace in his living room working.

Take Westside Story a little.

Another movie I haven't really totally seen.

Me neither.

But I feel like I have.

Yeah, but like from the stills.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've gathered.

Yeah, exactly.

A lot of fire and stuff.

A lot of balcony work.

Yeah, a lot of balcony work.

So I will just point out a couple things in Lois's apartment.

Dual golden candelabras.

Yeah.

I'm still.

Is this Lois's apartment?

No, this is the rich apartment.

This is Mariel Hemingway's apartment, I think.

Oh, is it?

Yeah, she's loaded.

And she's rich, as she says repeatedly.

And is he wearing a wig?

Which one?

Lois?

Muriel?

Mariel Reeves.

Lois is dressed like the mother of the bride.

She's like, I'm just going to pair this.

But I feel like both of them, this really, I find, irritating.

This is

like, like, for,

you know, anybody who's interested in the fashion of it, like, that this is now so hip in Brooklyn or something.

Hell for a while.

I can't handle it.

Hang on, hang on.

I find it makes me angry.

Up in the upper right-hand corner is Mariel Hemingway's initials.

Wait, this is her actual apartment?

It's not her character's name.

Do you think they shot this in Mariel Hemingway's apartment?

Possibly.

It's a Marriott Hilton.

Oh, maybe it's.

Yeah.

Maybe it's the name of the building that they are in or something.

Was it ever a thing to have greenery on lattice wallpaper, too?

I mean, I can't tell if that's real or...

Oh, let's see.

I'll open it up big.

Yeah.

But that, oh, no, I guess it's not real.

I think it's painted on.

It's wallpaper, maybe.

I really want to show you this thing.

This is something that we can never really show our listening audience.

We can just show it here, but I'm going to urge you, if you're listening, to Google this.

So the movie was 134 minutes,

which means that a lot of stuff was cut out, like the fact that there was another nuclear man that was cast,

fired, and then recast in the movie.

And here is the scene.

Fired, then brought back?

No, no, sorry.

Fired, then they recast it with the actor.

I can't describe it because

I'll let you watch it.

Here we go.

What is happening?

I'm out.

I just want to know where you come from.

Destroy this man.

So what we just watched was

like an odd Buster Keaton fight scene.

That music

was embedded.

Is that part of the soundtrack?

Yes, that was not.

What we heard that boop boop boop boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, was part of the movie.

The quality is terrible because clearly no one wanted you to ever see that.

So

he is.

That's more of a

Frankenstein's monster version of this character.

Yes, the nuclear man.

Or like Frankenberry.

Or Frankenberry.

He looks just like Frankenberry.

And they have this fight.

And it makes you go, actually watching that scene makes you go like, holy shit, they really, they pulled it out.

Like they, like, if that's what they were shooting in their life.

Imagine if that had been the movie.

This would be a legendary movie.

Yeah.

And that's got to be a choice you make when you're looking at dailies on a picture like this.

Like, do we go all in?

Not only that, right?

They shouldn't have problems.

They went through hair and makeup, wardrobe tests.

They went through weeks of work with that guy to become that guy.

They shot with him.

But when you see it,

you like the internal team is like, you guys, the movie's not great, but

we can turn this one around.

So, and by the way, I would argue the nuclear man that they got that we're looking at here with the gold tights,

he almost looks cooler than Superman.

Yeah, he looks a cooler version of Jeff Fahey.

Yeah.

And now

I like himself look better, you know?

Well, there was a cool thing that they were going to do, too.

They were going to put Superman, they were gonna put Christopher Reeve in a black costume and make him be like a virtual

Adam Kennedy.

That's what I thought was gonna happen when they put his hair, yes.

Yes, and remember when they're putting all this stuff together, it looks like a little wonton, like an old wonton,

and then some like paprika, and then one other thing.

I forget what it is they put in

the city.

Is it an Asian person who's making the wonton?

No, no,

exactly.

Where are the Asian people in Metropolis?

They're in this world.

They had no problem cutting that Superman hair.

By the way, the Superman hair that's holding a thousand-pound weight, they're like, snip.

Seems like that would be.

Like, super big comedy pliers or something, right?

But still, super big comedy pliers should be able to get through that hair.

No, no, no, they're not.

But Superman fighting himself, that's something I want to see.

Yeah,

they lived in a very low-security universe altogether.

It's pre-9-11.

Pre-9-11.

Pre-9-11.

We're living in a pre-9-11 world.

The cops in the beginning and the chain gang and later in the museum and so on.

But

budget made them not be able to do those scenes because they did shoot them.

So they shot three versions of Nuclear Man.

This comedy version, Christopher Reeve, and then they finally went to this other guy.

And part of the reason why the effects are so bad is you will see this.

This is is a little montage of the flying scenes where they didn't change a thing.

Every flying scene is exactly the same.

And it's the same same with the

when they in the subway section when the subway with Lois goes screaming by and you see all the people on the subway station are like oh

and then Superman flies by and it's the exact same shot of the same people being like

the budget's so bad that I feel like they used a part of Universal Theme Park for part of the movie.

Like when you go on the tour, they're like that shark jumps out at you and then they go, oh, Mount Vesuvius has exploded and there's like water comes down a thing.

Like, that seemed like it was shot on the Universal Backlop, but nothing was changed.

It was sort of like, I almost feel like they may have just put a camera on the tour by bus and gotten it.

What I felt like didn't get enough attention, and it wasn't explicitly said in the movie, but like when they take Superman's hair, because it is, it's holding up like a thousand paw, a thousand pound weight, is like that, it's a pube.

you think that came from his it's a pube because when Lex Luthor

cuts it off it like shrinks right back up

into a curly little guy

and maybe that was some ball scenes about that where they explained how they got Superman's pube yeah Superman straightens all of his pupic hair and originally

originally and this is what I read online I'm sure it was reputable source would you originally say what's it yeah they were gonna Lex Luther was trying to make Puberman

a Superman based on Superman's pubes that would just be as strong as his pubes, which are very strong Puberman.

Well,

no, no, no.

Don't feel like you need to reward that.

It was mediocre at best.

I thought of it a while ago.

I waited for it.

It wasn't worth it.

You waited.

That's a good thing.

Don't worry about it.

I'm not too worried about it.

You shouldn't be either.

There are a lot of things we need to talk about.

We're going to go to the audience right now to see if they have any opinions.

I'm going to run up to the top.

It's going to take me a second though.

Hold on.

It's a long way.

While Paul's doing that, don't you fucking look at us.

We're not here.

All right, I'm back.

Here I am.

Can we get get house lights?

Get some house lights up.

Do house lights exist?

All right, so we're up in the balcony.

Who has a good.

All right, this gentleman right here.

I'll first come to you, and

you'll say your name, but say it in your best nuclear man voice.

Okay, so, well, like a Gene Hackman with an echo effect.

All right, so your name and your question.

Here we go.

I'll hold the mic.

Michael.

Great.

That was great.

So my question is that in the first half, Superman seems focused on nuclear disarmament.

And then he fights Nuclear Man and decides to give up on nuclear disarmament.

Why?

It's an internal battle that he's been having.

He says, like, I can't do it for you.

He's like, if the people want it, they'll give it.

You'll get it.

Well, that's kind of, and that's kind of what the elders are saying in that scene when in the Forgers of Solitude.

Those elders, that was really a shitty scene.

Like.

Well, they couldn't get them for the day either, so they had to just like film themselves in their closet and then send in just their heads.

I love the person who was like, you should just go to a different planet.

Yeah.

Yeah, like give up.

It's over.

Yeah, like, hey, oh, you know what, bro?

That place seems like it sucks.

You like,

semester abroad somewhere else.

That's the kind of attitude that brought down Krypton in the first place.

Sir, your name in Nuclear Man's Voice and your question.

Eli!

Again, on the whole nuclear disarmament thing, it's like the world's ratcheting up towards nuclear war and

Russia and US stand on the brink.

And then Superman's like, I'm gonna stop this so they just agree to fire their missiles into space

yeah it was like

he he took all the missiles he blew them up and then they were still testing missiles it didn't see I don't know I was confused by that well it seemed like nuclear war was happening right like it was currently happening yeah like I don't think yeah I guess there wasn't happening wrong about that was anybody like at all was it happening or were they trying to launch the missiles so that Superman could take them into space?

No, they were launching them and he was like, Psych, I got them in my net, my sardine net.

Yeah,

just like that.

Ma'am, your name, and you know how it deals.

Here we go.

Yeah!

So my question is, when Superman takes Nuclear Man in the elevator to the moon,

why not put him on the dark side of the moon?

Agree.

I mean, eventually he smartens up enough to push the moon in front of the sun, knocking the moon out of its orbit,

sending what I would only assume to be all of our planets into chaos.

Yeah.

Or a never-ending winter, at the very least.

And catastrophically affecting every woman's period.

That's your first thought.

The minute he started moving that moon, I was like, oh, Superman 5, the red top.

That's what it is.

Superman, he doesn't care about women's menses.

Alright, you know the drill.

Here we go.

Subo.

Love it.

Oh.

So I'm guessing Lex is a fugitive, but yet he was able to sign a lease and you have a stakeholder?

Yeah, it seems like Superman would keep betting.

Need a cosign?

Lenny.

It seems to me that Superman would be a little bit more on top of Lex.

Like, is he still in jail?

Maybe I could just fly him back over there.

Because he seemingly just drops him off.

As if no harm, no foul.

What about the disturbing boys club that Ducky's dropped off at and the very handsome priest goes like, oh, we can handle all the boys.

I was like, uh-oh,

uh-oh, that's a different movie that I haven't seen.

Sir,

Nick Olas.

Where did Muriel Hemingwink go?

Great.

Great question.

On you guys, take take it.

What?

Where did she go?

Where did she go?

Oh, I have no idea.

Paul, you're so fit.

God, he's doing cross-eyes.

I am so impressed that he made it all the way up the stairs.

There was no heavy breathing.

Paul, that like broke Paul.

That question broke Paul.

Yeah.

He left.

I just got a text from him.

He said, I'm out of here.

Where did Mariel Hemingway go?

She's in France.

I bet she is.

Is that true?

France, like all women.

All right, here we go.

Next question.

Sarah.

My question is: do you guys think this was written by Flat Earthers?

Because

they go to China and they start in America and then they go to Italy all in the same

fight scene and it's never dark in any of those places.

Oh.

Is that a group of people called flat earthers?

Isn't somebody from the view a flat earth?

Are they still like a contingent that's operating?

Still hoping to make their mark?

Flat earthers?

Yeah,

they're up there.

Yeah, they're like, trust us.

There are still people.

Oh, no, they're still.

No, there are not.

The internet has given rise now to people believing.

Didn't Sherry Shepard on The View say the Earth was flat like three years ago?

No, right?

Maybe wasn't that who it was?

And she's part of a cult?

And wasn't there some cults?

Wasn't there a sports person who said it as well?

What?

Kyrie Irving.

A rapper, too.

A rapper, too?

Wait, okay, so lots of people are suggesting this is true.

Do we have any evidence to prove that they're wrong?

If someone has definitive evidence and not doctored photos, we've all seen that one doctored photo, the circular earth.

B.S.

All right, ma'am.

Oh, grabbing that mic.

Paul, letting it.

Oh, she is okay.

Yeah,

so obviously this was filmed in Milton Keynes, which is like an industrial town outside of England.

And I feel like some production set designer was really self-conscious.

So if you look in Clark Kent's apartment, there is a New York Giants flag, a Yale flag, a Wisconsin flag, and a Tampa Bay Buccaneers flag.

How do we think he became a fan of all of those teams?

It's whatever they had at a big five sports in the sales bin.

I mean, maybe he just was part of a flag giveaway.

Clark Kent loves penance.

Not penance, but penance.

Hi.

Mike Pennance.

Richard.

Amazing.

Okay, so I just found it interesting for how much Lois didn't seem to give a shit about Clark Kent.

Like, to the point where she goes to his house, he's sick, and she finds a way to make it about herself.

She's really cockblocking Lacey.

Because Lacey really wants Clark.

And she's like uh Clark's kind of a Boy Scout.

I was like he knows how to tie knots like right he could put some it's like it's one thing if you don't want Clark but like why are you trying to

let Lacey, you know, what?

It's just the glasses that makes her not recognize him

Well, now you're unraveling a much larger conspiracy because that's crazy

So Lois is never interested in Clark, right?

Yeah, but I am confused because then she goes to the house when he's sick and she's like,

they look at each other like their eyes are saying

it's like deep eye subtext.

Yeah, and she's like, I knew it.

I knew it.

You know, and I was like, she went to a house, she's like, you're Superman.

She's like, if I would tell, I would tell Superman if he was dying, we had a great time.

Yeah.

So like, what's that?

Yeah, I don't know.

I really don't know.

Clark is always being friends with.

Always.

That's why he's crying all the time.

Well, no, Clark's always on the verge of tears as Clark can all the time.

Like, he's just like, oh, there's saying it's super men.

And then he's like, just looking out the window crying.

It's like.

Like, Superman up.

Yeah!

Yay!

Thanks, everybody.

That's our show.

Thank you so much, New York.

I'm going to go to the gentleman right here because he's wearing wearing a picture of.

Okay, in a podcast we did, we referenced there was a picture on the wall of Betty White holding an urn.

He is wearing a shirt of Betty White holding the urn.

Yeah!

That's amazing.

All right, that's for Jason.

Thank you.

Thanks for bringing one for all of us.

It's weird, Jason.

It's an XS.

Yeah.

I'm losing that weight.

I'm getting shredded, bro.

CrossFit!

So, can you?

Wait a second.

P.

Right, right.

I was confused by this quote from Lex Luther, where he says, it's about when he's explaining to Lenny how he could, like,

nuclear man can't survive without light.

And he says, he gets his energy from the sun.

Without it, he's like you at night.

Useless.

I wrote that down too.

What does that mean?

Does anyone know what that means?

Does it mean everybody's sleeping?

Well, wait, you just said it means he's Olympic.

He's calling his nephew Lenny Olymptic.

I guess it's as simple as that.

I mean, I, but I, but I.

So do you think Lenny...

I see sexually.

He's like, but like...

Some pet, like, people try and fuck in the day.

That's what I thought.

I thought he should be like, he's like, you're trying to have sex.

Yeah.

You useless.

Like, you at night means like going out, having dinner with.

There's a lot of nighttime activities.

We all power down at night as humans.

This is why you can't make PG.

Because

that was

by a note.

Don't try and get me to put this very obviously poisoned shirt on.

What you were saying, this is why you can't make PG, because it's a, yeah, you can't.

Oh, because then you have, you know,

innuendo that is dipperish.

Obviously, we had an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there that had a different opinion.

It is now time for second opinions.

You got one.

Here we go.

Here it goes.

five star reviews down from amazon way they love those bonkers movies no one else will play they're saying shaq oh man can he yacked watching blood sport all day shouting kumate they're on the podcast now our five-star family it's a second opinion from amazon

Thank you, Lindsay.

Wow, you did great.

New York friends.

Well done.

Well done.

New York Friends of Second Opinion Songs.

Also, what's its mission, shirt?

What's its mission?

The shirt that was taken down by the Disney Corporation.

All right, so these are five-star reviews cold from Amazon.

You can't stop us, though, Disney.

You can't stop us.

But they did stop us from selling that shirt.

Here we go.

This is,

it starts off a little confrontational.

This is just from someone.

I should say I also am not able to sell my little spermaid shirts anymore either.

The little spermaid shirt?

That's pretty good.

It's okay.

It's okay, guys.

That's solid.

It's alright.

No, it's good.

That one was better than the other one.

The little sperm?

Like a little more.

That actually took me a while.

Little sperm.

Oh, little spermaid.

It's another movie.

It took you a while, right?

Yes, it did.

I watched that movie every day with my four-year-old, and that took me a while.

Can I hear a little more?

What does it look like?

What does it look like?

Specifically.

It looks like Ariel.

Right?

Red hair.

Her tail is a sperm's tail.

It's not a fish's tail.

You know what was fucking me up?

I was going the other way.

Interesting.

So the face

was a little sperm with a little mermaid tail.

I get it.

I actually would argue that's a better visual.

Yeah.

Guys, well, you know what?

We'll throw it to you, the audience.

Draw up mock-ups of what you think the little sperm aid should be and send them directly to.

What's your Twitter, St.

Clair?

I don't know.

St.

Claire.jessica.

Great.

Or something like that.

I don't know.

Guys, I don't even know how to check it.

No joke.

These are five-star reviews from Amazon.

Starts off a little confrontational here.

This was written September 4th, 2000, and it's referencing a VHS purchase of Superman 4.

And out of the gate, starts like this.

First of all, to that guy from Sacramento, California.

It doesn't look like you've seen Superman 4 because there's no person named Lucy in it.

I've watched it a million times over and over, and there is no Lucy.

Secondly, you don't make any sense when you say they used unused footage from the earlier film in Superman.

In the Reeves and Hackman scenes, they look the same.

So don't make statements you haven't researched.

Lois is known to open up to Clark about Superman.

Don't you know?

Five stars.

Clearly, the dude from Sacramento, California got Lacey and Lucy confused.

That was the confusion.

This is one of my favorite ones,

also on a VHS tape.

This was written in June 7th, 1999.

I know most of you don't like this movie.

I cannot change that.

just turned 10.

And I have watched this movie at least four times with all of my friends.

Zev, Andrew, Vic, and Billy.

Okay, we can do this.

And they all love this movie.

And it's not just us, the children.

We know who this movie was made for.

Sure, discount it for your so-called cheesy special effects, but the kids?

We don't care.

The movie has a comic book storyline, a good one to be exact.

And Christopher Reeve, Margot Kidder, Mark Pillow, and John Cryer, and Gene Hackman are a great cast.

Although you may not think my opinion counts, but I hope it does to some of you.

I would love...

I would love it if that 10-year-old kid was now like, what, 20, 30?

When was this?

28.

28.

And in this audience.

And was in this audience.

So we could beat the shit out of him.

And then

this one,

I will say when I read this one, I thought, oh, this person's being facetious.

But then I.

You know what?

Because it's like beating the shit out of a 10-year-old, but not.

Oh.

Yeah, because he's 28 now.

Because he's getting a beating he deserves for the 10-year-old, but he's an adult who can take it cut to the guy who's like I'm here

nuclear man

I I thought this one was facetious but I I kind of went down a wormhole and I found that it is not

it's written by film aficionado in 2005 and it is titled much

better than the first three Superman films.

Well, some 14-year-old children apparently think this movie is a flop.

Think they know the meaning of movies.

The meaning of movies.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

That 14-year-old brat doesn't even know the meaning of acne cream that he has to smear all over his gangly adolescent face.

Any mature adult with half a brain knows Superman 4 is a fine superhero film.

Better than the Batman, the X-Men, and Spider-Man franchises, Meryl Hemingway is incredible.

The special effects are years ahead of their time, and Nuclear Man is

the greatest.

The clincher, John Cryer.

Need I say more?

Five stars!

Five stars!

Like, honestly,

honestly, the 10-year-old kids review is much better.

Yeah, and by the way, he ends, need I say more?

Yes.

Yeah,

you need say more.

Just to give you some how to just get made knowledge here, the original,

the director of this movie was Sidney Fury, who directed the Jazz Singer, which is a movie that we also did in this podcast.

Wow.

And he was fired after 48 hours of shooting the jazz singer.

Whoa, what happened in those 48 hours?

Oh, wait, of Jazz Singer.

Yeah, he shot 48 hours of jazz singer.

Got it.

He shot, not 48 hours.

Wait, he shot the movie 48 hours during the movie.

And you need to get it.

Double fire him, too.

He's double booked himself.

We gotta fire you.

You're shooting a whole other movie.

Right.

No, this director, Sidney Fury, literally shot 48 hours of unusable footage for the jazz singer and then was fired and replaced by another director.

Can I ask a question?

Yes.

Was that footage used in the movie?

Yes.

Because it was awful.

No, I'm just.

Then this movie,

so in this year, the biggest movies were Three Men and a Baby, Fatal Attraction, and Beverly Hills Cop 2.

This movie came in 69th of the top gross movies.

69th!

Yeah!

And it was beaten by other how to get made movies like The Running Man, Jaws 4, Masters of the Universe, and Over the Top.

And

the only one that it beat was the Garbage Pail Kids movie.

um oh god and finally i just want to say that um by the way sinclair no no no no no no no no no no no no

you know i can't even the tagline of this movie it was nuclear power in the best hands it's dangerous in the hands of lex luthor it's evil this is superman's greatest battle and it is for all of us that's too long that's way too long of a tagline paragraph too long but there is finally one thought that we need to hear.

Somebody from far away has recorded her thoughts about this movie.

Yes!

Yes!

And oh, I miss her so much.

And here we go.

Hello, New York City.

I'm so...

Sad to be here in Montreal and not there with you guys discussing Superman 4, The Quest for Peace.

Guys, don't worry about this hat.

You may have questions.

I don't have any good answers there.

But I do want to, Paul asked me to talk about Superman 4, The Quest for Peace, and take a stab.

I haven't seen the movie.

Won't see the movie.

Will not ever watch this film.

But that said,

I mean, I don't watch any of them unless I'm doing the podcast, obviously.

That said,

I will take a stab at what this movie might be about.

The plot to me is probably about Superman

trying to stop

nuclear destruction and Lex Luthor somehow bringing the world to the brink.

I do find it odd though it's called The Quest for Peace, like as though that that distinguishes it from any other Superman movie.

They're all The Quest for Peace, ultimately.

I will say though, the only thing I will add is that I love Christopher Reeve

and I appreciate him and I miss him

and

I think the love that he and Dana Reeve shared is a love I've never known.

No offense Paul

and the fact that she died so soon after him seems meaningful.

and great.

I don't think she could be here without him.

So that's my only thought, really.

And have a great night, you guys.

Have fun.

I wish I was there.

I love you all.

All right.

Final word from June.

So obviously, we talk about these movies.

We want to know, would you recommend this movie for the purpose of what we're doing here, enjoying them on a bad movie level?

Jason.

Well, I'm curious how many people here watched this in preparation.

Yeah,

pretty worth it.

This is a pretty fun one, you know.

It's a little long, you know.

90 minutes.

It's a little long, but I could have, you know, I could have taken a little bit less of it, but very fun, like really corny and silly.

There's a lot of good, like, I enjoyed it.

Yes, I would recommend.

Jessica?

I would as well, because it doesn't have to do with the post-apocalyptic future, which really does make make me sick.

Wait, what?

Any movies?

A lot of the movies you guys make me watch have to do with like Pluto Nash, like this is what the future is going to be like, and we're all wear blazers.

And

that makes me feel sick.

Free Jack that's coming up made me really sick.

How do you feel about this?

How do you feel about like Hungie Games?

Does Hungie Games?

No, I can't.

Yes.

I haven't seen it.

You haven't seen the Hungie Games.

All I know is What's Her Face is in that clown makeup.

You know.

Oh, Liz Banks?

Yeah, and that they're shooting each other for food, and I don't want to see it.

You know.

Lennon told me the plot of that one and

the girl with the dragon tattoo, and I didn't get past.

She was awarded the state.

Dot, dot, dot.

And I said, I can't, what are you telling me?

I don't think you should watch that.

So this one didn't scare me, and that's why I liked it.

So that's your measurement for liking a film or not is whether it scared you.

Yep.

All right.

So it's.

It didn't scare me and it didn't make me feel sick.

Four, five stars.

Natasha.

You obviously went down a rabbit hole with this one.

Yeah, I would recommend the first 20.

Okay.

Yeah.

Until you realize that he's not Spider-Man, then you turn it off.

It's not even that so much.

I just feel like after that, it's, you know, excessive.

Except.

The first verse.

By the way, I'm gonna do a 20-minute movie.

Like, you were gonna do a 20 minute movie, you would have preferred it to be an episode of television,

yeah.

But this is also my preference with karaoke, and this is a great idea, so don't steal it.

Which is a similar idea, which is, I think it should only be the first verse, chorus, you're done.

I'm a 90-second karaoke guy.

I'm like, I think that's what all karaoke is.

That's a big idea.

90 seconds.

I'm giving it

half a Fray tonight.

I'm crazy.

I

I feel similar.

Less singing during karaoke, the better, so much so that I would abolish karaoke.

There we go.

Guess what?

I don't want to hear all you fucks singing in a bar I'm in.

So I'm basically saying just the hits.

Just the hits of this one.

All right.

So I would also recommend it.

Let's go down the plug line here.

Natasha, what do you want to plug?

I don't want to plug.

Okay, great.

Jessica, you want to plug anything?

No.

Okay.

Oh, I don't.

No, no, no.

I'll have a plug.

A plug.

Netflix.

What a place.

What a place.

Amazing place.

Don't fuck you ain't love it.

Great place.

Great.

It's great.

Great shows, great people.

Orange is the new black wonderful show we make.

Yeah, that's a good one.

I love that show.

I'm shooting it now.

It's a great show.

What channel is Netflix?

Which is a question my parents asked.

I'm just asking you.

What channel is it?

Yeah.

I do want to plug that Wamp It Up is coming back

November 25th and Gutterballs will be back and things get really intense.

We look at his commitment issues and

yeah, we make some strikes.

Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

Yeah.

Be very exciting.

I will, Jason, what do you want to plug?

Oh,

I'll continue to plug Big Big Mouth, the...

Oh, the best.

The fantastic.

The fantastic animated show on Netflix

that's got a whole bunch of people that you love from comedy,

as well as animated dicks.

Nothing.

And animated vaginas.

So it's pretty great.

It's a really funny show about kids going through puberty.

Congratulations, such a great show.

I will, I mean, this is a long-term plug, but I'll plug the disaster artist, which is coming out.

That looks so good.

Yeah, Jason, myself, and June are all in it with a bunch of amazing people.

James Frankel plays Tommy Wizzo.

Dave Frankel plays Greg Sestero.

It's really good.

All right.

Thank you, New York.

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