Spider-Man 3 w/ Kulap Vilaysack (HDTGM Matinee)

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Speaker 11 Spider-Man 1 was good. Spider-Man 2 was great.

Speaker 8 When we heard about Spider-Man 3, we were like, yes, what could possibly go wrong?

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Speaker 21 Please welcome Kulab Vilisak.

Speaker 28 Hi, hi.

Speaker 17 Hey, what's going on?

Speaker 36 Oh, man, guys. I'm psyched to talk about this movie.

Speaker 38 So I brought up Spider-Man 3 because I feel like Spider-Man is out in the theater.

Speaker 26 People have to look back about why this movie was rebooted and it all stems from this movie where there are equal parts dancing as there is fighting.

Speaker 43 There's just as many dance scenes in this movie as there are full-on fight scenes and that I think is the main core problem of this movie.

Speaker 32 And not just dancing but singing. Like full-on singing numbers.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 29 And I don't know if I would say dance scenes as much as I would say like gun dance moves scenes.

Speaker 24 Oh, bad dancing, like sexy dance,

Speaker 15 like staying alive style John Travolta dancing.

Speaker 17 Oh man, I do want to say, like, I know a lot of people's complaints about this movie is there are too many villains.

Speaker 47 Yeah, you know, you have

Speaker 40 the Green Goblin Son, yeah, here.

Speaker 8 You got the Sandman, Marco, and oh, you got it all.

Speaker 47 You got

Speaker 12 Venom, that's right, and then you got Brock, but you got, but you have two, because it's sort of like Venom is a villain of Peter, and then Brock also is kind of a villain.

Speaker 36 I mean, they did a crappy job of explaining that

Speaker 48 symbiotic.

Speaker 17 Because you know this more and and I would say the fourth or fifth villain in this movie is coincidence because

Speaker 50 there is so much movie

Speaker 32 yeah there's oh it's I was just gonna say it's as if there's only six people in New York City

Speaker 25 It makes no sense.

Speaker 32 And they just keep running into each other the whole time.

Speaker 26 And it's like, oh, thankfully, Peter Parker was hanging out in the park when the alien symbiote crashed near him and it was able to jump on his bike.

Speaker 29 It's not even and that Eddie Brock happened to go into that cathedral, that church while

Speaker 29 I realized this, though, about the symbiote. I don't know from what you speak.
So basically, Brock was not trying to get into that Venom suit.

Speaker 24 The Venom suit got into him.

Speaker 36 Chose him.

Speaker 42 But I have some questions about this Venom suit.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 36 it's messed up.

Speaker 15 All right, so basically, the symbiote attaches itself to Peter Parker's motor

Speaker 31 scooter.

Speaker 32 But first of all, the symbiote is an alien. And that's the other thing is, by the way, guys, there's an alien in this movie.

Speaker 14 Yes, who is just goo.

Speaker 42 Yeah.

Speaker 25 Like the alien is like Terminator Silver Goo.

Speaker 36 And then when his professor, Dr. Connors, tells him about it, he just, it's very blase.

Speaker 36 Yes. This little creature is running around towards Peter, and he's like, hey, don't hang out with that.

Speaker 44 Yeah, did you touch anything?

Speaker 49 No, I didn't was confused because when the symbiote first gets him, he's in bed in his Spider-Man costume, and it just turns the red costume black.

Speaker 53 And then he's able to take that off.

Speaker 32 He's sleeping in the red costume on top of his covers.

Speaker 51 No idea.

Speaker 29 He's warm.

Speaker 19 He was like,

Speaker 26 he fell asleep listening to the police scanner.

Speaker 36 I mean, and by the way, it was days

Speaker 36 from when the symbiote first entered Peter Parker's apartment to when he attached himself. So what was it doing?

Speaker 34 It was just hanging out waiting for him to fall asleep.

Speaker 32 It was a full hour. It was a full hour of the movie before, like, a meteorite lands, it attaches itself to Peter Parker's moped,

Speaker 32 and then an hour later is like, oh, wait a minute, why don't I just turn his red suit black?

Speaker 31 See, maybe it is.

Speaker 29 Maybe it had attached itself to other things in the room.

Speaker 17 And it didn't work. And it didn't.

Speaker 37 I would like to just bring up another part, another general thought on this one.

Speaker 17 How long do you think it was until we saw Spider-Man fighting? There is one fight scene, but when

Speaker 49 do you think?

Speaker 32 It's like 40 minutes.

Speaker 35 34 minutes and 36 seconds into the movie.

Speaker 43 It takes until he is in the Spider-Man.

Speaker 44 You see like recaps of it, but until he's in that costume, 34 fucking minutes.

Speaker 59 That's a lot of time. That's a lot of time.

Speaker 60 That's like an origin story.

Speaker 19 That's bad.

Speaker 36 They start off the movie like it's good times for Peter.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's gross. He's like as popular as

Speaker 2 a peter.

Speaker 26 He's like as popular as an ugly Kardashian.

Speaker 53 Like he is kind of like...

Speaker 35 And everybody, everyone's covering this story.

Speaker 61 There's too much love for Spider-Man.

Speaker 6 None of the Kardashians are ugly.

Speaker 2 Not ugly.

Speaker 62 I'm just saying one of the less popular movies.

Speaker 8 Who cares?

Speaker 32 Like, it's a Spider-Man movie, right? It's a superhero Spider-Man movie. Let's get to it.
And it opens with, like, him seeing his girlfriend in a Broadway play.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, we finally get that finally, that three-minute scene of Mary Jane singing finally in their Spider-Man movie.

Speaker 25 We get to see that. That's fucking God.

Speaker 29 By the way, I have a question about that scene because, okay, so later on in the movie, we find out that she didn't do it.

Speaker 29 Well, we only know that she didn't do a good job because other people in the audience tell us that.

Speaker 28 Well, no, only was she bad?

Speaker 2 No, she was good, right?

Speaker 25 Wasn't she good?

Speaker 50 I thought she was good. I'm no American Idol.

Speaker 36 You guys, we were in the vantage point of Peter, who was in the first row.

Speaker 2 Right, the reviewers.

Speaker 29 The cameras were set up towards the back.

Speaker 56 Her voice was thin.

Speaker 59 Her voice didn't carry.

Speaker 59 That was her complaint.

Speaker 21 Her voice couldn't carry past the front row. It wasn't she was a bad singer.

Speaker 55 She just had projection problems.

Speaker 42 So like, that's a real, that's a real fucking terrible way to write. Like, she's not bad.

Speaker 14 She's not bad.

Speaker 22 She just can't project.

Speaker 8 That's her problem. That's her fault.

Speaker 32 They are, she, no, no. Guys, you are being way too generous.

Speaker 31 She was garbage.

Speaker 5 Wait, no, are you talking about the seduction of

Speaker 57 the day of

Speaker 55 Manhattan Memories, the classics?

Speaker 32 If we all saw that, we would be like, shame on you for putting that on stage.

Speaker 3 Well, but that's not her fault.

Speaker 29 I mean, the Broadway production consisted of like a set of risers and her in a white gown.

Speaker 28 Like, there was no production value. She was also

Speaker 16 third-build in that play, and she opened the show.

Speaker 15 I don't know, but

Speaker 15 she was definitely the lead, but she was always third-build down.

Speaker 41 I don't know what Manhattan Memories is, but I would say that.

Speaker 29 But I guess what I'm saying, Jason, is I agree the production was horrible, but how are we to know that she was so bad in it?

Speaker 25 That's all the real life.

Speaker 32 We saw her sing and sort of dance. She

Speaker 32 just have to say, like, she was not. Oh my God, you are.

Speaker 32 you are just too apologetic for gifts and dust. She could not, she wasn't doing it.

Speaker 56 And when she got fired, she walks out and there is a crowd that's clapping.

Speaker 28 Why did she think for one second?

Speaker 3 It was her!

Speaker 42 Oh, that was, that was bizarre.

Speaker 33 She visited the theater midday.

Speaker 45 Midday she visited and walked out.

Speaker 29 Because I guess she's so used to that, is she?

Speaker 30 No, on Dead Sears, I don't know the whole thing.

Speaker 36 It wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 40 Basically, I mean, Peter and Mary Jane have marital problems because Spider-Man's more popular than Mary Jane.

Speaker 55 I mean, that's...

Speaker 29 And she's jealous of him and his fame.

Speaker 37 And then the first half of the movie, it's like the first episode of The Bachelor.

Speaker 12 We just keep on meeting bad guys.

Speaker 24 Like, oh, here's another one.

Speaker 42 Here's another.

Speaker 26 Everyone's coming out of the limo.

Speaker 42 Uh-oh, who is she?

Speaker 22 Who is Spider-Man going to fight?

Speaker 52 But I mean, they deal with James Frank.

Speaker 24 James Franco in this movie.

Speaker 12 Think he's great.

Speaker 47 Very talented actor.

Speaker 11 I don't know what the fuck is going on in this.

Speaker 5 He was Francoing it up, guys.

Speaker 15 He is definitely francoing up.

Speaker 32 He is at one point in the movie.

Speaker 32 He dies.

Speaker 32 Early in the movie, he and Spider-Man get in a fight. He dies, right? Literally dies.
They bring him back to life, and he is instantaneously horny.

Speaker 32 They're bringing him out, like they're bringing him home from the hospital where he was dead. And he's like, hey, man, do I got a girlfriend? He has amnesia.
Hey, man, do I have a girlfriend?

Speaker 32 Man, I got to get a girlfriend. Seems like I'm pretty rich.
I could probably get some girls back here, right? Like, he is just straight up horny.

Speaker 8 I do want to talk about the amnesia because the amnesia is very specific.

Speaker 40 It's like he doesn't, he lost his short-term memory, so he forgets that Peter Parker killed his dad.

Speaker 42 Sure.

Speaker 35 But then he also doesn't remember where he lived.

Speaker 49 So that would mean that he, like, he clearly has lived in that apartment his whole life.

Speaker 2 And it was a major brain injury.

Speaker 25 Major brain injury.

Speaker 13 It was a very selective brain injury.

Speaker 36 And then you can 100% recover if you touch a mirror.

Speaker 3 Oh, that is what we learned.

Speaker 36 He touched a mirror and then he hurt his father.

Speaker 58 And then he remembered everything.

Speaker 62 Oh, man.

Speaker 47 This is the second time William Dafoe has popped up as a villain.

Speaker 41 He came back for this to shoot some extra scenes in the mirror.

Speaker 62 Oh, man.

Speaker 65 Let's talk about some CGI.

Speaker 49 The movie gets like the first and second movie, the CGI are pretty good.

Speaker 66 This one, it gets worse.

Speaker 36 I mean, the Sandman was so bad.

Speaker 61 Sandman, best villain of all time?

Speaker 31 Hey, guys,

Speaker 32 can I ask a question? Yeah. I don't know who is running that lab facility, but why are they doing molecular tests in the middle of the night?

Speaker 26 Oh, you mean the hot model scientist lab facility where it's all hot women?

Speaker 29 By the way, did you notice that there were hot women like in scenes where they had no business being?

Speaker 29 Well, I noticed that toward the very end, and Jason, I do want to hear this point, but toward the very end, there's a scene where J.K.

Speaker 29 Simmons is talking to that little girl photographer, and all the press is around.

Speaker 29 There's this like tons of press and tons of photographers, and then just a random hot blonde in a fur coat, not a photographer, just there.

Speaker 28 Those hot women in the physics center, like it makes no sense at all that they're there.

Speaker 12 Well, well, I mean, but maybe it doesn't make any sense because, like, to Jason's point, they're doing molecular tests at what do you think?

Speaker 52 What do you say, Jason?

Speaker 41 What time was that?

Speaker 32 Well, it's the middle of the night, right? Because the guy,

Speaker 32 Thomas Hayden Church has escaped from prison,

Speaker 32 he's climbed into his daughter's room, he's been thrown out of that room, he's run and been, now time has passed, now the police are alert.

Speaker 32 I'm saying it's like two o'clock in the morning, and they're firing up those molecular tests.

Speaker 32 They're like, we're going to start the test now in the middle of the night, and there's no cameras on the test facility, so they can't see what's going on.

Speaker 51 They assume it's a bird.

Speaker 50 They assume it's a bird.

Speaker 36 It's a bird, and it's okay. And then when he's climbing into over the fence, there's a sign that says particle test facility.
Why would it? Why is it so specific?

Speaker 28 What did it say? Keep out particle caution.

Speaker 36 Why so specific?

Speaker 51 It's kind of weird.

Speaker 29 I have a, I want to get back to the basics and ask

Speaker 29 what time period this is taking place in.

Speaker 29 Because up until he got into that particle test facility, it seemed like the Sandman's whole sequence of going home and to his house that was right by the railroad was in like 1947.

Speaker 29 And his outfit was like very, oh, brother, where art thou?

Speaker 28 Like, it was so weird.

Speaker 29 He was in a different time zone.

Speaker 42 Well,

Speaker 33 that whole storyline, you're right.

Speaker 17 Like, even Teresa Russell, who comes out for like one line.

Speaker 10 Like, I remember I used to think Teresa Russell was this hot, like, sexy, like Kathleen Turner kind of lady.

Speaker 60 And then she's just like, just kind of like

Speaker 41 delegated to like one line, just like, get out of here.

Speaker 17 She looks like she's like someone woke her up like hey get up get up quick come come in come shoot the scene really quickly um but yeah he i i have a i have a lot of issue with time in this movie mainly because while that's going on peter parker has seen his girlfriend in a show so you would imagine that show started at eight probably ended at ten uh then they went out and hung out in the park for a bit and then he drove her home but whatever and then he goes visit oh yeah

Speaker 32 When they're in the park and he's like created a spider web for them to lay in, and this is supposed to be like they are in love.

Speaker 32 They have like the chemistry of like

Speaker 32 two sacks of wet dog shit.

Speaker 2 Like, and that's being nice.

Speaker 32 No chemistry between them.

Speaker 44 It looks like they don't want to even be together.

Speaker 6 They don't want to be next to you.

Speaker 15 Toby Maguire also looks like he's a little older than Play the Place, but he doesn't look the fun of it is out of it for him in this movie.

Speaker 52 But I had this issue with, so he goes and hangs out with her in the spider web.

Speaker 37 They're hanging out.

Speaker 23 He drops her off.

Speaker 44 And then he goes visits his aunt May and goes to tell her that he wants to marry Mary Jane.

Speaker 22 It must be like 2:30 in the morning there, too.

Speaker 8 Like, it's like super late to go make a visit to your grandma or your aunt.

Speaker 6 She was ready to make some tea.

Speaker 36 Well, she came over for one, like, two lines later on in the movie, like, hey, are you okay?

Speaker 28 All right, later, you'll be fine.

Speaker 3 Like, what?

Speaker 3 He went on the subway for that.

Speaker 12 So much, so much of this movie.

Speaker 19 So, all right.

Speaker 32 There's a part when Thomas Aiden Church turns into Sandman, right, and he's running away from whoever, there is a point where he's introduced where he turns and looks straight into the camera.

Speaker 29 Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 32 Did anybody else notice this and notice how bizarre it was?

Speaker 36 I did not know. I didn't notice.

Speaker 29 I noticed it and it made me feel really weird.

Speaker 32 I was like, What is happening? Why did somebody allow him to do a straight-to-camera take?

Speaker 48 Well, I think

Speaker 35 he probably wasn't really really on set that much.

Speaker 12 I guarantee that Thomas Hayden Church is on this movie three days, Max.

Speaker 52 I mean, like, he's never, like, he's always the Sandman.

Speaker 6 You see him running and one.

Speaker 29 Now, let me ask you about the Sandman, though. So he can only turn into Sandman when there happens to be sand around.

Speaker 36 No, he can only be big. He can make himself bigger with more sand.

Speaker 15 And you know, there's always those trucks full of sand running through New York City.

Speaker 51 Kohan.

Speaker 16 Trucks of sand.

Speaker 29 That says sand on them. Sand.

Speaker 32 But no, but okay, so New New York is the perfect place.

Speaker 19 New York is the perfect setting for him to run wild.

Speaker 29 Look, it's an island, you guys. Manhattan's an island.

Speaker 51 It works for me.

Speaker 29 No, but he can be put out or he can be destroyed by water, right? Because he just turns into wet sand and

Speaker 44 flush.

Speaker 36 Yeah, he's not strong. And

Speaker 30 why not?

Speaker 36 And then he has to dry out.

Speaker 29 But he's strong enough to hold that locket the whole movie.

Speaker 58 Yep.

Speaker 29 But then he can also be destroyed by fire at the end.

Speaker 38 We can be turned into like stone by fire.

Speaker 36 Yeah, you know, how they make glass, June.

Speaker 3 Oh, I'm sorry. Okay.

Speaker 28 Sand and fire makes glass.

Speaker 42 I also had the learning curve was very quick for becoming a sandman.

Speaker 38 He literally was, you know, molecularly destroyed, and then he was like, oh, huh, I'm a sandman.

Speaker 17 Oh, my arm fell apart.

Speaker 33 Oh, now I got it.

Speaker 44 No, now I'm not.

Speaker 13 Not only did I get it, I'm able to turn into literal flesh and create my t-shirt and pants within a second.

Speaker 31 It was sort of like, there was no

Speaker 13 crawling.

Speaker 42 It was sort of like, oh, I'm sand. Okay, I'm back.
I'm back now. Sorry about that.

Speaker 60 Shake that off.

Speaker 32 It's almost like you would assume he would just be a man made of sand for the rest of the movie, but nope.

Speaker 32 He's now going to look exactly like he did before Thomas Aiden Church, wearing a green striped sweat, t-shirt, and jeans.

Speaker 45 And I love that he really did commit to that shirt.

Speaker 24 He was like, I did like that.

Speaker 6 He was on it for one week.

Speaker 63 He basically went home and was like, yeah, I remember my stripey shirt. I like this shirt a lot.

Speaker 40 He had to go get that stripey shirt.

Speaker 36 That is his outfit on the copper.

Speaker 30 Of course,

Speaker 32 that is the sandman. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 36 No, sorry.

Speaker 29 Source material.

Speaker 20 But source material, like.

Speaker 32 That shirt is canon.

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Speaker 18 Explain to me, though, like, was a Sandman well represented in this movie?

Speaker 6 I don't know much about it.

Speaker 51 Nobody was well represented.

Speaker 36 I mean, the same learning curve goes for Brock. How did Brock know he gets a Venom suit?

Speaker 28 He knows all these things.

Speaker 51 Immediately.

Speaker 50 Immediately, but the Venom suit on Brock just kind of, like, makes him into an alien.

Speaker 12 The Venom suit on Peter is just sort of something he can take on and off.

Speaker 36 Yeah, explain those teeth, Brock's teeth.

Speaker 58 Why did his teeth go like that?

Speaker 17 Brock all of a sudden has like a monster mouth.

Speaker 32 No, in the well, that's, I mean, Venom, that's okay.

Speaker 32 Well, then they get into a whole different situation where Venom, the symbiote, when it's attached to Peter Parker, it makes him, you know, this kind of in the comics, this dark evil Spider-Man.

Speaker 32 And then

Speaker 3 give me a cookie.

Speaker 25 Yeah.

Speaker 42 Yeah, you know, Peter Parker is really.

Speaker 32 When the symbiote detaches from him, it becomes

Speaker 32 Venom, which is like a classic Spider-Man villain,

Speaker 32 which is

Speaker 32 it has huge teeth and a crazy tongue.

Speaker 8 But it's like

Speaker 36 for Brock to have that teeth when he's not, when it's taken off of his face and we just see Topher, it's weird for him to have those teeth.

Speaker 31 Oh, that makes no sense. Yeah.

Speaker 62 I have so many.

Speaker 32 It also makes no sense that Topher Grace is in this movie.

Speaker 28 With that beautiful hair.

Speaker 20 Topher Grace is a little bit more.

Speaker 29 Is that what Brock's hair is like in the source? He's a blonde guy.

Speaker 49 I do want to talk about Topher Grace's amazing camera and eyesight because there is twice in the movie, once when Brock is like running to a scene where a crane has gone loose at a model shoot.

Speaker 58 A model copier shoot.

Speaker 26 A model copier shoot.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 66 Gwen Stacey is, and she says it later on in the movie, 62 stories in the air.

Speaker 20 62 stories.

Speaker 54 And without a beat, he looks up and goes, oh, that's Gwen Stacey.

Speaker 8 By the way, what fucking eyes do you have?

Speaker 57 This is 62 stories.

Speaker 32 First scene. This is his introduction to the movie.
It is minute 35.

Speaker 32 He realizes it's Gwen Stacy and he's standing next to her father.

Speaker 57 Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 57 By the way, I'm dating. What's happening?

Speaker 29 Wait a second. So Gwen Stacey, because I did just see the new Spider-Man.
So Gwen Stacey is a model now?

Speaker 36 That was weird.

Speaker 66 That on every level was.

Speaker 29 Is she not a model in this list material? I just want to say so.

Speaker 36 Do you remember, Jason, if she was a model?

Speaker 32 I don't remember her being a model, no.

Speaker 36 And I think this actress, what's her name again?

Speaker 30 Bryce Howard, is a gorgeous woman.

Speaker 56 Gorgeous.

Speaker 36 Gorgeous. Gorgeous woman.
Not model-esque, though.

Speaker 25 No. No.

Speaker 32 She's not like a Jessica Chastain.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Jessica Chastestan.

Speaker 5 I'm just getting there, right?

Speaker 32 They're identical to each other.

Speaker 29 Yeah, she's got like more of a Rubinesque figure. She's got a gorgeous figure.

Speaker 36 Sure, so when she's talking about when

Speaker 3 I can't believe you just called her fat. Wow.

Speaker 25 I didn't. I should.

Speaker 2 I prefer her body.

Speaker 32 That's why they had to hide her behind that copier.

Speaker 36 But when she goes up, when Peter's about to ask Mary Jane to marry him, and she goes up and was like, oh, do you have that photo of me and Spider-Man kissing for my portfolio?

Speaker 2 By the way. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 41 By the way, she goes, do you have that picture of me and Spider-Man kissing oh uh he doesn't but every newspaper in the city does because it was on it we just passed the newsstand by the way and now we'll talk about that kiss scene so they're giving spider-man the key to the city in this movie and he like he swings down and does that move that he does in like I guess Spider-Man one or two where he like hangs upside down and the audience for no reasons goes kiss him kiss him like this why so basically like yeah like the audience like starts chanting for them to make out for no reason and then Peter's like yeah make out with me.

Speaker 52 And they do, which would show you that he was maybe already controlled by the symbiote at that point, or he just.

Speaker 29 That's what I thought.

Speaker 30 No, that was just pure ego.

Speaker 32 No, it hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 49 It hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 32 He's just a fucking scumbag.

Speaker 29 So the fame is getting to his mind. The fame is getting to understand.

Speaker 19 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 66 All right, there's so much to talk to.

Speaker 32 He has like legitimately,

Speaker 32 I feel like, as well as a pantheon of villains, there's also kind of three love interests. there's MJ, Gwen Stacey, and there's the weird Russian girl who lives across the world.

Speaker 29 I'm obsessed with Ursula. Ursula's baking non-stop in the movie.

Speaker 3 She's

Speaker 3 baking Us.

Speaker 32 Oh, by the way, kind of the cutest of the three.

Speaker 53 I kind of agree with you.

Speaker 17 I googled her to see what she's been in, and not much.

Speaker 29 She has like a very Ricky Lindholm, like adorable, cute little face.

Speaker 52 All right, so when we last were talking, we were talking about Ursula, who is an interesting character and kind of is our lead-in to this Spider-Man change.

Speaker 62 Yeah.

Speaker 28 Transformation.

Speaker 64 This transformation.

Speaker 54 I am mind-boggled.

Speaker 26 I am like, I am, I feel like no one, everyone looked at the script and was like, we're shooting this?

Speaker 54 Okay, great, yeah.

Speaker 38 No, I have no notes.

Speaker 52 Like, how did this get past even the first draft?

Speaker 21 Because Peter becomes kind of like a 70s cool, like a Dean Market.

Speaker 19 It sounds like Austin Power. Yes.

Speaker 35 Literally, I mean, down the street, it's like Austin Power.

Speaker 2 And I can't tell you.

Speaker 58 I enjoy this.

Speaker 8 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 I didn't do it.

Speaker 36 I enjoyed it.

Speaker 29 I hated it when I saw it in the theater. This go-around, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 53 I enjoyed it ironically.

Speaker 42 I don't know.

Speaker 51 I don't know if I did.

Speaker 66 Because he's so dorky, and he's like trying to be cool. And I enjoyed it.

Speaker 29 I do agree with you, though, that it kind of plays on that level where it's like...

Speaker 29 It's weird. It's like he's got this sort of dopey face and so he's doing it and it almost seems like a joke.
yeah i honestly felt thought it was like a comedy

Speaker 21 it is sequence yeah he would try he's not cool but but no but that's the thing some women react to him like oh who's this hot guy and then other women like who's that fucking nerd so like i don't know what i don't know what the reality is like because some women like ursula definitely and then there's some women like that one woman who looks up and up and down is like yeah like i can't tell i don't know

Speaker 32 why what what he did it has this transformation right it starts with the justin bieber bangs It starts with like weird

Speaker 32 weird bangs. I would also say that

Speaker 64 bangs,

Speaker 64 when I saw it, and he switches his hair, I felt like he was making a Hitler hairstyle.

Speaker 22 Because his hair is so short, he's kind of pushing it down.

Speaker 25 I'm like,

Speaker 6 what is cool? And they're like, oh, I got to get that cool Hitler look.

Speaker 36 He looked like a mixture of Tom Cruise and Katie Lang.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Cool.

Speaker 32 I would content are the same person.

Speaker 42 Oh, my God.

Speaker 64 And so he starts talking in like this.

Speaker 32 Was anybody else? I also was really puzzled by like he becomes kind of a dick. Then he's doing his dance.
You know, he's doing his

Speaker 32 strutting down the street with his finger guns. He's giving everybody finger guns.
Like strut, strut, finger guns, finger guns.

Speaker 32 Then he goes into a store to buy a black suit, and the doors of the store have multiple signs that say clearance sale.

Speaker 32 Why is he in a super cheap suit right now?

Speaker 57 What's happening?

Speaker 64 I don't understand.

Speaker 35 And also, that sequence is like, it's the movie is, I mean, it's not reality, but it's not hyper-reality.

Speaker 45 That sequence is hyper-reality.

Speaker 29 Yeah, I did think he looked good in that black suit, though, when he came out.

Speaker 8 All right, he looks fine.

Speaker 12 The issue was the finger guns.

Speaker 38 And then when he goes into like the club.

Speaker 36 I mean, that's, I will, I will contend that that's horrible.

Speaker 40 I'm going to play the clip of him just talking to the girl in the club because you just got to hear his the way he talks cool at Dean Martin.

Speaker 11 Here we go.

Speaker 5 I hope we can get a table

Speaker 25 find us some shade

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Speaker 29 I missed that in my viewing thanks hot legs yeah yeah thanks hot legs oh yeah oh my oh guys I'm gonna use that to get into comic parties

Speaker 44 funny I do have a theory though that the alien symbiote came from like the 1940s the alien that he's being the alien is kind of obvious.

Speaker 45 He's like, oh, we did research.

Speaker 26 The rat pack is big.

Speaker 39 The alien is old.

Speaker 38 I mean, like, he's like in this world and he's can be a great dancer.

Speaker 36 And amazing piano player.

Speaker 11 Amazing. Amazing.
Oh, man.

Speaker 25 Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 Now, dig on the list. Yes.

Speaker 32 Can just play piano.

Speaker 42 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 64 But yet he's still Jared.

Speaker 37 Like, he still wants to get back at Mary Jane.

Speaker 8 Like, he should just be fucking at this point.

Speaker 44 Like, I mean, that's what they want him to do, but he's not.

Speaker 21 Like, he's still kind of like got that Peter energy.

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Speaker 6 Oh, you know, we haven't talked about

Speaker 37 the omelette dance party.

Speaker 42 Oh, gosh.

Speaker 57 Guys, what was that?

Speaker 28 That was so uncomfortable.

Speaker 39 So James Franco decides that now I guess he's going to be or Mary Jane's like well, you know, Peter is he's too much wrapped up in Spider-Man.

Speaker 17 I'm going to start hanging out with

Speaker 61 with James Franco's character and then they go and make omelettes together and have an omelette dance party.

Speaker 32 Chubby checkers, the twist.

Speaker 29 That is

Speaker 22 watching this.

Speaker 54 Who is making this movie?

Speaker 8 Like the twist?

Speaker 32 Why is this this movie is so bizarrely old-timey.

Speaker 29 That's what I'm saying, you guys. I think that, like, there were two scripts, and one was an old-timey script, and one was a current script, and they could not decide.

Speaker 29 Shoved them, shoved it together. Seriously, because there's a lot of old-timey stuff in here.

Speaker 8 Oh, you know what?

Speaker 54 There was one thing in there, and this just reminded me of old-timey.

Speaker 40 Like, when they're in the newspaper headquarters, that definitely looks old-timey.

Speaker 62 It's so old-timey.

Speaker 29 And J.K. Simmons is playing it that way.

Speaker 18 Yeah, and J.K.

Speaker 24 Simmons is like the best part of this whole movie.

Speaker 30 Him and Bruce Campbell.

Speaker 24 Bruce Campbell, amazing, too.

Speaker 37 But behind J.K.

Speaker 17 Simmons' desk, they have like giant-framed covers of the newspapers, like the classic ones.

Speaker 54 But the one that they have up that is the worst, it goes,

Speaker 55 Doc Ox, still at large.

Speaker 13 That was the one that they framed.

Speaker 8 It was like, I just thought that was just a dumb thing.

Speaker 45 It's not even a great picture.

Speaker 42 It's not that they broke a story.

Speaker 13 It was just sort of like, this thing is still happening. It was like, yeah, frame that one.

Speaker 50 Frame that one guy.

Speaker 36 What was going on with his horrible like operation game table that

Speaker 2 Elizabeth Banks would keep buzzing?

Speaker 36 Because he has high blood pressure, right?

Speaker 32 Wait, was that Elizabeth Banks or Perker Posey? That was Elizabeth Banks.

Speaker 29 Elizabeth Banks. Who was great?

Speaker 25 She was hilarious. She was great.
Yeah.

Speaker 32 I kept thinking it was Perker Posey.

Speaker 36 Oh, no.

Speaker 51 Banksy.

Speaker 32 Oh, Banksy, guys.

Speaker 32 Wait, it was the street artist Banksy?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yes.

Speaker 29 In an Elizabeth Banks costume.

Speaker 36 A venom Elizabeth Banks costume.

Speaker 32 Oh, wait. Can we talk about this for a second? Remember when, I know I spoke about this a little bit earlier, when James Franco died in the movie?

Speaker 32 yeah right yeah yeah okay so he's dead he's like literally dead they bring him to the hospital the doctor comes out and says he's gonna be okay or no no he's gonna be okay but he has amnesia he doesn't remember anything mj shows up she and peter are like walking out and mj just goes i think he's gonna be fine yeah oh yeah so

Speaker 32 based on what he was literally dead an hour ago uh i think he's gonna be fine so what

Speaker 32 he's definitely not gonna be fine.

Speaker 60 By the way,

Speaker 64 I don't understand also, no one gets hurt in this movie.

Speaker 26 Is Peter Parker?

Speaker 34 I don't remember this from the comic, but Peter Parker, is he invulnerable to anything?

Speaker 35 Because they literally throw him up against the moving subway, through buildings, no scratch.

Speaker 31 So much debris.

Speaker 32 They create so much falling debris from the sky that thousands of people on the ground in New York City must have died during these battles. Like, like at one point, Hobgoblin and

Speaker 32 Spider-Man are having a fight a giant chunk of a building falls off and like fall just falls to the ground and i and you you so many people must not be dying it's crazy and oddly like never marry jane because she is constantly falling oh yeah

Speaker 29 constantly a lot of women like dangling from 60 stories and above oh

Speaker 47 also when they do trap mary jane in a giant spider web of uh of a taxicab caught in a giant spider web i love that the bad guys had to write on it and i wrote this down uh like

Speaker 12 Spider-Man, stop us if you can.

Speaker 39 You don't think he's going to get the message that there's a giant spider web and his girlfriend's going to go?

Speaker 15 They have to also spell it out in the web. Like, we've got to make sure.

Speaker 6 We've got to make sure he knows.

Speaker 29 There was a lot of strange exposition in the late second act with that reporter basically just narrating what was happening.

Speaker 25 Like, all

Speaker 56 that English reporter?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was.

Speaker 29 With

Speaker 29 KTLA as Hal Fishman.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 24 Which makes sense because in New York.

Speaker 41 And so basically, you know, for most of the, so in the beginning of the movie, James Franco hates Spider-Man, then he gets amnesia, then he likes him, then he remembers, then he hates him again, and then at the end, he likes him again.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 65 this is

Speaker 11 one of my favorite parts of the movie because basically, there's no way to bring these two characters together.

Speaker 63 Like, it's like...

Speaker 15 James Franco's like, you killed my father, Spider-Man.

Speaker 14 I hate you.

Speaker 15 You're a terrible person.

Speaker 55 Fuck you.

Speaker 15 And you think, well, they're never going to see I die.

Speaker 17 Clearly, Spider-Man didn't do it until this man man came can we play that clip

Speaker 32 if I may sir

Speaker 69 I've seen things in this house I've never spoken of

Speaker 4 what are you trying to tell me

Speaker 69 the night your father died

Speaker 2 I cleaned his wound

Speaker 69 the blade that pierced his body

Speaker 69 came from his glider.

Speaker 69 I know you're trying to defend your father's honor, but there's no question

Speaker 69 that he died by his own hand.

Speaker 69 I loved your father

Speaker 2 as I have loved you, Harry.

Speaker 42 All right, so basically,

Speaker 2 friends love you.

Speaker 60 So basically,

Speaker 53 he clears it all up.

Speaker 37 Thank God the butler came in and now finally told him this.

Speaker 64 Like, the butler knew this all along, right?

Speaker 29 Well, but I think the butler had that sort of like old-timey reverence as a butler of like I'm not gonna get into these conversations I'm I don't see it that's a big conversation to avoid I feel like Alfred gets into it with that a lot

Speaker 23 get a little bit more involved get a little bit more involved when when you're when you're a person who's

Speaker 29 butler was living in like 1862

Speaker 55 his own time period maybe he's just an older actor that butler was terrible that was some of the worst acting i've ever seen uh if you get the blu-ray

Speaker 36 in the DVD extras, he is part of the blooper reel.

Speaker 3 The butler.

Speaker 36 The butler is, and wherein he just is like, he's just an older man.

Speaker 29 Oh, dear God.

Speaker 25 Couldn't get the one.

Speaker 36 Yeah, he's just like, and the cannon, the blade.

Speaker 30 The blade.

Speaker 29 He'll put that on a blooper reel. It's like, this is an older actor struggling.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he approved it.

Speaker 17 Also, I want to point out that in that scene when Spider-Man and James Franco fight,

Speaker 6 the hovercraft is kind of looks like it hooked up by

Speaker 37 a USB cord to a computer.

Speaker 45 Just like levitating by a cord and it gets unleashed.

Speaker 60 Yeah, I gotta charge my hoverboard.

Speaker 32 He might as well be riding a hoverboard from Back to the Future 3. Right.

Speaker 45 Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 15 It looks just like that.

Speaker 32 Yeah, it's the same exact thing.

Speaker 42 By the way, well, this brings up, like, yeah, like,

Speaker 13 I think another thing is like, it's cool. People like snowboards, right?

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 29 Those little fireballs came in handy a couple times.

Speaker 32 Who is this? Like, who is this movie for? You know, because, like, it's not really kidsy enough to be like a Spider-Man kids movie. Because then

Speaker 32 there's so many weird triangulating love stories happening that make no sense. There's like 20 minutes between every action sequence.
This movie is a fucking disaster zone.

Speaker 32 I mean, so angry that Spider-Man doesn't show up in costume for like 40 minutes.

Speaker 64 And when he does fight, he's fighting a lot out of costume.

Speaker 29 Yeah, and it did have that feeling of just like Spider-Man aging a bit and just sort of dealing with some

Speaker 29 real life issues. Some real life issues.

Speaker 41 This whole movie feels like it was put together by like tape and like glue.

Speaker 22 It's like, I mean, because even to defeat, to defeat these villains, like, oh, Venom hates bells.

Speaker 42 The vibrations.

Speaker 15 Like, oh, vibrations.

Speaker 29 Yeah. Oh, is that what it is?

Speaker 15 I thought he hate bells because they're like, oh, the church.

Speaker 37 And they're like, ding.

Speaker 61 Why does Venom hate?

Speaker 52 Why does he hate vibrations?

Speaker 5 I mean, we're not from their world.

Speaker 28 Is that real?

Speaker 34 I mean, from the book, I just thought from the book, maybe it would be in there.

Speaker 32 Imagine you're a child. You love Spider-Man.
You go to Spider-Man 3, and half of the movie is dedicated to Mary Jane's failed Broadway career.

Speaker 51 You're right.

Speaker 33 If you read that as a comic book,

Speaker 32 that's never part of the comic book. is on what planet?

Speaker 32 It's like he's

Speaker 32 with somebody like, you know what would be good here is if we fused a Spider-Man story with a chorus line.

Speaker 29 And by the way, though, that's such an unsympathetic storyline for her. Like, we're supposed to care that she didn't survive on Broadway.
Like, it's very kind of like

Speaker 40 looking at the reviews online, everyone's like, I hate Mary Jane.

Speaker 15 She's a bitch.

Speaker 15 Like, I mean, people really go after her, but I think that's because, like, she's like getting in Spider-Man's way or dumb career like people do not want to hear that immediately kisses Harry like for

Speaker 58 yeah

Speaker 24 that's tough that's tough so many dumb things in this movie so I mean gosh but that is hardy just even source material wise MJ's not a great character yeah but she's like a second I mean she's like a second lead in this yeah and Gwen Stacey is a better character in the books yes why because she it seems like from the Spider-Man we just saw she's more sort of into

Speaker 29 chemistry and knowledge and all that stuff, right?

Speaker 32 Got it, June. Chemistry and knowledge and stuff.

Speaker 29 Well, no, but seriously,

Speaker 29 that's why I was upset that she was a model in this one. Yeah, it's like Mary Jane's an actress.
Like, it seemed like she, Gwen Stacey, had more to offer Spider-Man.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah. In the bookstore.

Speaker 32 Don't get me started on Black Cat.

Speaker 29 Oh, Black Cat.

Speaker 3 That's right. When did they bring Black Cat?

Speaker 36 It's because Cat Woman was so bad, so they weren't going to to bring her up.

Speaker 2 Oh, boy, oh, boy.

Speaker 18 Well, nerds.

Speaker 12 Obviously, we did not like this movie.

Speaker 54 All right, so these are reviews called on Amazon.

Speaker 66 Normally, we're able to find some very fun reviews, five-star reviews.

Speaker 21 This time, it was a little harder because the staunch fans were really staunch fans.

Speaker 17 But these are some of my favorite five-star reviews from Amazon.

Speaker 10 This is from Marcus Schelbendlisman.

Speaker 24 Don't know how. It's really confusing looking.
From St.

Speaker 6 Louis, Missouri.

Speaker 15 This is a lot different than the other two.

Speaker 53 When Peter gets a new black suit, he acts funny, but I enjoyed it.

Speaker 55 Five stars.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 29 Fair enough. I also like the black suit on it.

Speaker 40 And then this is from Jay, my favorite review of all time.

Speaker 37 In Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man fights a sandman. Spider-Man gets the black suit and fights a sandman in the sewer.

Speaker 17 The sandman turns to mud.

Speaker 37 Peter fights Harry with the black suit. Harry throws a goblin bomb at Peter.
Peter dodges it and throws it back at Harry.

Speaker 12 And his half of his face blows up.

Speaker 17 Harry and Spider-Man fight Venom and Sandman.

Speaker 12 Harry defeats the Sandman.

Speaker 17 Harry saves Spider-Man and dies from Blade, from Venom.

Speaker 37 Spider-Man throws Goblin Ball at the black suit.

Speaker 18 The end. A must-see movie.

Speaker 55 Five stars.

Speaker 47 One of my favorite, favorite things.

Speaker 66 Now, Kulop,

Speaker 35 we all saw the new Spider-Man.

Speaker 6 Did you see the new Spider-Man, Jason?

Speaker 33 I did not.

Speaker 15 Okay, so Kulop and I were talking the other night, and I said, well, I like this new Spider-Man way better than Spider-Man 3.

Speaker 14 And Kulop's like, I don't agree with that.

Speaker 36 So now, after re-watching it, I still like Spider-Man 3 over the amazing Spider-Man.

Speaker 58 My review for Spider-Man 3 would be that.

Speaker 36 It would be like, Spider-Man 3,

Speaker 36 two stars.

Speaker 58 Not great.

Speaker 36 But future, in the future, I will like it way more than the amazing Spider-Man.

Speaker 24 I disagree. I disagree.

Speaker 6 Wow, Club.

Speaker 28 Yeah,

Speaker 36 I think the actors in The Amazing Spider-Man are great. I think the story is so boring and long, and there's nothing.

Speaker 36 No, you're right.

Speaker 29 But again, I know.

Speaker 32 This movie is nine hours long.

Speaker 29 It was really long, you guys.

Speaker 59 It was really long.

Speaker 36 I feel like there was more things happening in this movie. And I know that's also its detriment.

Speaker 35 Yes, because you said to me, you said to me, well, name one scene that you like from The Amazing Spider-Man.

Speaker 44 And then I watch this and I'm like, I can't name a scene from this movie that I really liked.

Speaker 49 I would prefer to watch it.

Speaker 36 I like the emotional. And as crappy as this was, and as you guys said, it's patchworked, I think the emotional story is way more interesting for me.

Speaker 36 And in the flashbacks, when Uncle Ben dies in Spider-Man 3, that was more meaningful to me. In that horrible Spider-Man 3 than the new movie.
The new movie, I felt nothing.

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Speaker 35 Would you guys recommend watching this movie?

Speaker 42 I think I would because it's fun.

Speaker 24 Just for the bad, the Venom sequence alone, it's pretty good.

Speaker 29 Yeah, for the dance scene and the finger guns, it's pretty good.

Speaker 36 To be a completionist, you guys.

Speaker 2 Come on, you gotta watch them watch it.

Speaker 32 I would watch the first two first. I wouldn't watch it just to watch it.
I would watch the first two and then watch this because in juxtaposition, you will truly appreciate what a bag of shit this is.

Speaker 34 Yeah, if you saw this as the first one, you'd be like, oh, this sucks. But to see the fall from Grace, it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 29 I haven't seen the first two.

Speaker 41 Yeah, what did you think in watching only The Amazing Spider-Man and this?

Speaker 29 I really liked The Amazing Spider-Man.

Speaker 6 And then what did you think of this?

Speaker 29 I thought this was insane. Yeah.

Speaker 24 Did you like the chemistry between Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone more than Toby McGuire?

Speaker 29 100%. I would agree.
God, I thought their chemistry was like off the charts.

Speaker 10 Well, because they really are in love.

Speaker 32 Well, they have your chemistry because the guys, they're really in love.

Speaker 33 They love each other.

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Speaker 37 Let's plug some stuff.

Speaker 17 I am at Paul Sheare on Twitter.

Speaker 29 At Miss June Diane.

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Speaker 32 Just ask. Not on Twitter, guys.
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Speaker 12 You know, Jason, someone recommended that

Speaker 11 you save the name at not on Twitter.

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Speaker 71 you should do that.

Speaker 41 Or someone should do that as you.

Speaker 2 A big shout-out.

Speaker 32 Now I'm sure somebody will.

Speaker 21 A big shout-out to Elizabeth Berry. She gave some big-time money to how this get made.

Speaker 39 $100.

Speaker 41 Wow. That is going to go to something.

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Dave Steffi, who pulls our clips every week, Cody, who's doing all of our engineering, all the great people here.

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