In Memory of Avaryl Halley (Shadow in the Cloud Matinee)

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Speaker 2 Hello, people of Earth. It is me, Paul Scheer.
And before we get into today's matinee, Shadow in the Cloud, I wanted to

Speaker 2 share some devastating news with you.

Speaker 2 Last Thursday, after a year and a half-long battle with breast cancer, we lost our super producer, Avril Halley. She was not in pain.
She was surrounded by her friends and her family.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 since we shared this news on social media, I have been completely and utterly blown away

Speaker 2 by the absolutely lovely outpouring of love and condolences that you all have given to her, her friends, and her family.

Speaker 2 I've been talking to different members of her friends and family over these last couple of days. And I'm just in awe that you all recognize what A ofrel brought to this show.
I'm not good at this.

Speaker 2 I wish I was someone who could just sit down and speak so eloquently from the heart, but I know that it will be choppy. And I just want you to go with me here as I try to just

Speaker 2 celebrate this remarkable, singularly wonderful person who was such a part of this show. A part that you didn't quite ever hear, as a matter of fact.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what makes it even more interesting that the reaction to her

Speaker 2 was

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 sincere and so connected because she is the fabric of the show.

Speaker 2 Back in 2013, we had been doing this podcast for a handful of years and we kept on coming up on this impasse, which was, yeah, that was a bad movie, but it wasn't fun to watch. It felt like a slog.

Speaker 2 And we had this idea, why don't we reach out to our listeners and see if anyone would want to help us find bad movies. So we got all these submissions in, and I remember Averil's because

Speaker 2 she was not only a bad movie aficionado, but she was this hilarious editor. She had made these incredibly funny pieces for like MTV films.
When she sent me her resume, it just jumped off the page.

Speaker 2 She had

Speaker 2 this kind of quirky, fun sensibility.

Speaker 2 And when we first Zoomed, and I don't think there was Zoom back then, I think when we first FaceTimed, I was just blown away by the way that she was able to articulate the movies that worked for this show.

Speaker 2 And since 2013,

Speaker 2 she has been picking every movie for this show. All these characters, these insane worlds, these movies that I've never heard of came from her.

Speaker 2 I was always adamant to make sure that we gave her her proper due, her proper credit, because

Speaker 2 she really did control and help us find our own voice of the types of movies that we wanted to talk about here.

Speaker 2 And she was specific and funny about the specificness of it. I remember I would send her films like, what do you think about this? And she would shoot them down 90% of the time.

Speaker 2 That's why at a certain point, when people would submit movies to me, I'm like, I can't, I'm not even going to do it because Averil has the secret sauce.

Speaker 2 And it was never adversarial, but it was like she knew why it wouldn't work. And then conversely, I'd be like, I'm not sure about this movie.
And it would work perfectly. Never doubt Aver.

Speaker 2 That's what I learned working with her. And I just was looking back through our emails because we do have an interesting relationship.

Speaker 2 You know, she's somebody who was very much a part of my life in the fact that this show is a part of my life. But we had a relationship that was primarily based in emails.

Speaker 2 And occasionally I would get to see her. You know, when she was in London.

Speaker 2 just on a trip.

Speaker 2 She came backstage and got to meet my kids and Jason and june and we've met a handful of times in person over the years but this one was really special because she was away with a friend just she happened to be in europe we happened to be there as well and you know i watched her interact with my my boys

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 it was so sweet and so kind and she was so interesting. She had these coins that her dad,

Speaker 2 her dad would give coins to people that, you know, as a

Speaker 2 remembrance of them. Like we met and they exchanged coins.
I think it's very much like a military thing, right? You pass these special coins. And she gave both my sons these coins.

Speaker 2 And these coins are on our dresser, my kids' dresser, to this day. And I talked to them about Averil this past weekend.
And

Speaker 2 that moment, that just small moment that they spent with her, they remembered her and they lit up when I was asking, do they remember, you know, the woman who came backstage and gave them these coins?

Speaker 2 And she goes, oh, she was so cool. She was so funny.

Speaker 2 And that to me

Speaker 2 is what is so kind of special about Avril. When I look at the response, the outpouring of love from our audience, you know, as she's been battling this cancer, when we first announced it,

Speaker 2 we had known about it for a while, but when we were first brought it to you all, the amount of gifts and emails that you sent to her were just overwhelming.

Speaker 2 I mean, not even just overwhelming, they were so heartfelt. And I'm reading people's messages,

Speaker 2 condolence messages to her and her family.

Speaker 2 And I'm just blown away because she is a person who you may not have ever even heard on the microphone on how did this get made, but she is such a part of this show.

Speaker 2 She had her own show, Movie Bitches, which she co-hosted with Andrew. And Andrew and I have been in touch over the last year, more and more, as Avril was battling cancer.
And

Speaker 2 I'm just blown away by the work that she did there, too. Her show is really funny.
She's always been very funny, and she opened us up to so

Speaker 2 many

Speaker 2 interesting things. I'm so thankful for her.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 this loss is massive. It really is.

Speaker 2 You know, she was young.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 when I talked to her

Speaker 2 when she first

Speaker 2 was diagnosed with breast cancer, her attitude was so incredibly positive and resilient. And

Speaker 2 as it progressed, there were highs and there were lows. And we've just been rooting her on and championing her.

Speaker 2 And I just want you to know that I'm talking to Andrew, her partner on Movie Bitches, and talking to certain members of her family, they are so blown away by

Speaker 2 your support of her.

Speaker 2 You know, she made a big difference. She was

Speaker 2 someone who, I think,

Speaker 2 made this show.

Speaker 2 She set a guiding light for us.

Speaker 2 And when we first had to start picking movies without her, you know, I had this voice in my head, you know, of how do we do this like Averil?

Speaker 2 How do we know that this is right?

Speaker 2 And it's something that we all take incredibly seriously because Averil took it seriously. She was a lover of camp.
She was a lover of a certain type of specific oddness.

Speaker 2 And she's full of life and love and

Speaker 2 had this amazing laugh.

Speaker 2 Every time I got to spend time with her, I was so thankful that she was a part of the team.

Speaker 2 And like I said, not a part of the team that I spoke to every single day, but a part of the team that I looked forward to when I got an email from her.

Speaker 2 And I felt bad when she rejected one of the movies that I would give her.

Speaker 2 Her eye for recognizing what was funny was second to none.

Speaker 2 And I want to, I don't know how to celebrate her. I don't, because there's not one thing I can say,

Speaker 2 but the show is a tribute to her. It's a testament to her.
We will continue to work under her constraints that she has

Speaker 2 given us.

Speaker 2 And one of the things that we do in our live shows is we play these videos, these videos that matched up certain things from movies that we have done.

Speaker 2 And she hosted these on Movie Bitches, but sometimes would send me one on the side, and I would play it exclusively for our live audiences. And

Speaker 2 I want to to play this one because

Speaker 2 I just think it captures her ear.

Speaker 2 When we were talking about the movie The Snowman, we talked about this character, Harry Hole.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 this one is just a mashup of people saying Harry Hole with a very straight face. So enjoy one of Averil's signature mashups.
Harry Hole.

Speaker 5 Harry Hole.

Speaker 6 Her husband asked specifically for Inspector Hall.

Speaker 1 This is Harry Hull's phone.

Speaker 1 Ah, great Harry Hull.

Speaker 2 You can imagine Harry Hall. At least I could.
I wanted to see who Harry Hall was. Could you delve into your Harry Hull?

Speaker 2 And this detective Harry Hall.

Speaker 2 The first thing that really enticed me was the books and Yo Nesbos Harry Hull. I started to introduce myself to the books and to

Speaker 2 Yo Nesbos

Speaker 2 Harry Hole.

Speaker 2 I mean, come on. It doesn't get any better than that.
That always kills. In front of a live crowd,

Speaker 2 you know, we're still dealing with this hole, and we have been, you know, for the last

Speaker 2 two years, dealing with not having her around as much anymore.

Speaker 2 And I hate it.

Speaker 2 And we'll continue to deal with her absence as we move forward.

Speaker 2 And if you want to celebrate her and want to get to know what she was about a little bit more, I implore you to go watch Movie Bitches, her movie reviews on YouTube, and go to the Instagram Movie Bitches channel.

Speaker 2 So I thought another way to continue to show you a little bit more about who Averil was was to kind of show you why her taste was so good.

Speaker 2 You know, she said at one time that Sleepboy Camp was her favorite bad movie.

Speaker 2 So maybe that's a good place for you all to start.

Speaker 2 Watch her review Sleepboy Camp. And, you know, Andrew is a pretty amazing guy.
Her family is wonderful in my brief conversations with them.

Speaker 2 If you want any updates on,

Speaker 2 you know, services or where you can send anything to, that would be on the movie bitch's Instagram page.

Speaker 2 And I want to, why did I pick Shadow Shadow in the Cloud? Well, this is a movie that Averil picked,

Speaker 2 of course. And

Speaker 2 what I loved about Averil's picks is she

Speaker 2 found the things that were interesting. Like we, I don't know if Shadow in the Cloud, it was a typical how did this get made movie, but what she saw was there's so much to talk about in it.

Speaker 2 And I'd like to show you how she thought about this movie by listening to a snippet of her and Andrew's movie bitches episode on Shadow in the Cloud. So you can hear her and her element.

Speaker 2 Also, if you're a RuPaul fan, you're going to love the Movie Bitches channel. What she did for Drag Race is unmatched.

Speaker 2 So before we do our matinee, I want to give the floor back to Aver in her own voice to show

Speaker 2 why she loves the weird, the campy, the bizarre.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 all I can say is we will miss you, Avril.

Speaker 2 You are forever part of the show.

Speaker 2 And everyone,

Speaker 2 June, Jason, Scott, Molly, Cody,

Speaker 2 going back to 2013, everyone knew your name. Everyone respected your work.
And

Speaker 2 our hearts are broken. But

Speaker 2 I do think your legacy will live on.

Speaker 2 This is Averill on Shadow in the Cloud.

Speaker 4 Oh boy, I mean, I did, yes, I did film myself watching it because I laughed so hard, I cried, had a headache, felt nauseous, laughed some more, cried again.

Speaker 4 Hours after watching it, was still laughing when I recalled the events of the film.

Speaker 1 This is pure madness.

Speaker 1 Come on, bitch, you can do it.

Speaker 4 Holy shit. I mean, I think this is my favorite piece of hot garbage this year.
It was some gods of Egypt level

Speaker 4 nonsense with a lot of style.

Speaker 1 Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Speaker 4 Okay, so the basic plot. It starts.

Speaker 4 Well, it starts in as that weird cartoon of like, oh, the gremlins are going to get on your ship. And, you know, I was going, is this a prequel to gremlins, by the way? If it is, I'm

Speaker 1 here for it.

Speaker 2 I think that was the inspiration, and that's what I'm going, I'm sticking with it.

Speaker 4 Certainly, I mean, gremlins are historical outside of the film,

Speaker 4 but also

Speaker 8 here for this.

Speaker 4 Yes, here for that, oh, yeah. I mean, the speculations of whoa, babies, and we'll get to it.
So, anyway, Chlora Gersmoretz lies her way onto a B-17 fortress. They call it something, like a

Speaker 4 sort of fortress or something.

Speaker 4 And it starts and there's a lot of attitude and there's this really great synth John Carpenter kind of soundtrack going on. Lloyd Grace Moretz is doing an accent.

Speaker 4 She's got a sassy jumpsuit on and she gets onto this plane and all of the men are horrific

Speaker 4 chauvinistic

Speaker 4 nightmares and I was like, oh, that's why this was listed as a horror film as one of its genres the only horror in the movie is how realistic the chauvinism is so there's that i agree i think that there's a lot of style to this movie that really makes it you know there's kind of like a a sky captain vibe to it there's like

Speaker 2 dark and i mean shadow in the cloud i guess but like right there's like a kind of it's just very stylized i don't know

Speaker 4 it has a it has a a feel to it it feels like someone who's you know trying to make a movie. You know, they succeeded.
They made a movie. It was the funniest comedy that I've seen all year.

Speaker 4 The first hour,

Speaker 4 45, is the horror aspect of the movie. And then it becomes just a screwball, screwball comedy.

Speaker 4 So if you are watching it and going, what the... What the fuck is this? Why did you guys recommend this? Just hold on.
Just wait. Just hold on.
You got to make it through.

Speaker 2 Hold on to that plane for dear life because

Speaker 4 she's got a real good grip there.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 9 What?

Speaker 4 So yes,

Speaker 4 she gets onto this plane. She's got a like a camera, a leather camera bag thing.
It says very important top secret. General so-and-so,

Speaker 4 you know, this is the most important enigma secrets of the don't MacGuffin, MacGuffin, MacGuffin. And they're all being disgusting.

Speaker 4 They say, well, if you're going to get on the plane, the only seat available is in, what do they call that? The turret, like in the looking,

Speaker 4 the name for it, but like the looking down turret at the bottom. So, yes, once she gets down in there, the next 35,

Speaker 4 40 minutes, it's just her in the turret listening to them

Speaker 4 to be disgusting.

Speaker 1 I mean, like,

Speaker 4 disgusting

Speaker 4 men. Truly horrifying.
It was actually really refreshing to watch a movie where there were so many one-dimensional male characters that you were like, I can't wait for them to die. It was very like,

Speaker 4 usually these roles are classified for women, just like one-dimensional ditzes that are going to be picked off by Jason one by one. And it was just like, ooh, all of these one-dimensional men.

Speaker 4 It was like kind of exciting on some level.

Speaker 2 Again, thank you for sitting with me as I try to get through my own thoughts about Avril.

Speaker 2 And again, your love and your support means so much to her family and her friends, and they are reading the comments. So please keep them coming.
It means the world.

Speaker 2 Now, here's our episode on Shadow in the Cloud, and we hope you think of Averil while listening to this and all of our past episodes, the movies that she picked for us. Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 There are three very important rules. Do not get them wet.
Do not feed them after midnight. And most importantly, do not let them steal your baby.
It's Gremlins on a plane with a baby.

Speaker 2 We saw Shadow in the cloud. So you know what that means.

Speaker 11 Now it's time for

Speaker 11 how did this create? We're gonna have a good time. Celebrate some failure, not just be a hater.
Cause you know you wonder, how did this create?

Speaker 2 Let's war in the mediocrity of some bar art.

Speaker 2 Perhaps we'll find the answer to the question, how did this get get made hello people of earth and welcome to how did this get made i am your host tall john shear each week we take a film we look at it and ask a simple question how did it get made

Speaker 2 and this week is no different we are talking about shadow in the cloud it's 1942 during world war ii a woman boards a plane with a mysterious package but i want to say much more than that let me bring out my two amazing co-hosts jason manzoukas and june diane rayfield how are you both Whoa, this was

Speaker 1 some wild stuff. This was, you know, I was not prepared.
I had closed captioning on. I was not prepared for it to say gremlin colon screeches.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Here's June.

Speaker 2 Well, June, your first thoughts on this too, because I have a couple of things I want to get off my chest here.

Speaker 9 I

Speaker 7 oh, okay.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 8 First of all, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 9 So let me put that

Speaker 9 over there for a second. I enjoyed it.

Speaker 9 I guess what I cannot believe, and I don't know, maybe I missed a part of it. Look, this was one of the rare movies that got my attention and kept it.

Speaker 1 You really did. You are blowing my mind right now.
You really did.

Speaker 9 But I guess the question I'm coming back to, you know, that at the end when it ended, I was like, did I miss an explanation of? where these gremlins came from.

Speaker 1 No, you did not, June.

Speaker 1 I would love to tell you that you did. You did not.
Not only did they never explain why and how there were gremlins aboard the plane, the people on the plane seemed uninterested,

Speaker 1 unphased, uninterested in examining the where, the why, the how of the gremlins. Listen, I understand we're in a dogfight with the enemy.

Speaker 1 We crash land a plane, but at a certain point, you got to be like, what the fuck are these gremlins?

Speaker 2 You know, the movie opens up with this like animated segment based on these like private snafu, which is like a series of like,

Speaker 2 not PSAs, but like a soldier safety videos that they made during World War II. And there was this idea that like, who did this? Oh, a gremlin did it.

Speaker 2 Like, or like, there was like this idea of a gremlin was kind of like in family circus, like, not me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 That wasn't my fault. That was a gremlin.
A gremlin? Yeah, everyone's heard of gremlins.

Speaker 6 They chew up planes, screw up the navigation. They get their kicks from hurting us.
Gremlins are are all in your hands.

Speaker 6 We owe it to our boys to stay focused. It's not critters who cause accidents.

Speaker 5 It's careless airmen.

Speaker 6 It's your responsibility to be safe.

Speaker 6 A tidy workspace makes for a productive environment.

Speaker 7 Shape up.

Speaker 6 We need men with strong hearts and clear minds. Look after yourself to stay fighting fit.

Speaker 12 Stay on task.

Speaker 6 Avoid distraction.

Speaker 5 And keep your wits about you.

Speaker 6 Let's keep our skies safe so we can win this war.

Speaker 2 Immediately, I go, wait a second. Is this movie going to be about a real life fucking gremlin?

Speaker 1 Like, that was when I was like, oh, I don't know what we're in store for here. By the way, I would have been on board for.
Like, if the movie

Speaker 1 concerned itself entirely with what's up with these gremlins, where are these gremlins coming from?

Speaker 1 We're under siege, not only outside the plane from the enemy, but inside the plane from gremlins. But they seem, the gremlins are like the C story of this movie, I think.

Speaker 9 See, I was more interested, I was very interested in the other movie, the A and B story, which was, you know, about a woman in combat who's a fighter who, who knows what's going on and is in this position and stuck in there.

Speaker 9 And even the baby, I mean, I knew the baby was in the box from the first moment we saw the box, but I did not know a baby was in the box.

Speaker 2 I thought a gremlin was in the box.

Speaker 1 Oh, i thought she was transporting gremlins i assumed whatever was in the box had to do with the gremlins it seemed like right she purposefully i knew a baby was in the box from the jump that's interesting to me it seemed like

Speaker 9 she's getting on the gremlin plane for a reason that must be the this that's what's up you know i don't know well that but see that movie I enjoyed like what it must have been like for a woman who, you know, was a pilot in this situation.

Speaker 9 I was fascinated by that story. i was even into the love story and the romance of it all what i could not wrap my mind around were the gremlins well see by the way gremlins or

Speaker 1 gremlins gremlins there were at least three i thought there was just one no there was at least three that she killed the war she she shoots she shoots one she beats one to death on the ground and she um

Speaker 1 there's at least three gremlins i think it's all the same as a white shoot a whitish one with wings and then there are little brown ones that don't have they have fur but no wings okay well i i did watch this on my iphone i will tell you this much um

Speaker 2 i watched it in landscape mode on my iphone while i ate my god uh take out meal in my kitchen where there is a tv yeah but i chose wow Well, strangely, I watched it on my computer.

Speaker 9 Now, my, okay, I'll tell you, this is my experience of the movie. I'll be very honest right now.

Speaker 1 I'm not afraid to be honest about how i watched it i was planning on watching the movie and like cleaning out my closet which has been a goal for 2022 i i love a double duty how did this get made i'm doing and then it's a bad movie and a test because then the two hours thank god by the way an hour and 20 minutes amazing it was a nice time so but i was so interested that i let go of my task oh wow See, for me, the, the, the problem, because I agree with you, June, all of these, all of these movies are interesting potential movies.

Speaker 1 The movie about the woman who, you know,

Speaker 1 not sneaks, but like falsifies her way onto a plane, woman in combat

Speaker 1 in a man's world, all that kind of stuff. The love story with the baby and the blah, blah, blah, and the gremlin movie.
But the problem was for me,

Speaker 1 none of them, it didn't commit to any of them. And so I never, I didn't, unlike you, June, I didn't, I never got pulled into it.
I kept being like, well, what about the gremlins?

Speaker 1 If there was no gremlins for a while, or if not, I'd be be like, well, what about the baby?

Speaker 2 You know, it's I'm gonna say something that I think also is a weird thing about this movie, which is you come into it, like the first 30 minutes of the film is basically Chloe Grace Moritz alone in the bottom half of an airplane talking about the gun turret bubble.

Speaker 2 Yes, talking to people that we've only seen glimpses of. The paper said not to open the package.
You shouldn't read the bloody paper. Staff Sergeant Quaid, open the package.

Speaker 2 If it's Reiger, I'll take the heat. Sir, I.

Speaker 6 Quade, that's an order.

Speaker 4 Quaid, do not open the package.

Speaker 2 Cap, she wasn't lying about the Japs, and she wasn't lying about the Kremlin. Lieutenant Finch, retrieve the package from Quaid and open it, sir.

Speaker 4 Do not open the package.

Speaker 2 Now, whatever's in that package is what's causing the failures on this plane.

Speaker 4 Do not open the package.

Speaker 1 Quaid, I beg you, don't be dummy here. Please don't do this.

Speaker 12 I got it. I got it.

Speaker 1 I thought that was going to be the whole movie.

Speaker 1 That went on for so long that I was like, oh, is this one of, is this like a pandemic movie where they were like, you're alone, you'll shoot the whole thing in this little rig we have, and this is good, this is the movie, you know?

Speaker 2 I thought it was like a Ryan Reynolds buried alive, like coffin movie.

Speaker 2 And I was like, but it's weird because you want to have this relationship with all these people when she gets out, but I haven't put faces and names together in yet.

Speaker 1 Well, Well, that's why they put that stuff in, where you know, she would repeat a name and there would be like this atmospheric shot of that actor and who he is, but it wouldn't, it wouldn't place him in the setting.

Speaker 1 They must have shot them afterwards. It was just like these red and black.
It's got this like very kind of 80s John Carpenter vibe score and lighting.

Speaker 2 It's got like which also I didn't love

Speaker 2 how incongruous that score was.

Speaker 1 Very heavy synth score for a 1944 movie. I love a synth score.

Speaker 9 I like that.

Speaker 1 it. For a 1940s movie, I was like, okay, interesting.
But then the stylistic shots of like, who's that? Is that, what's his name? And then just like an artistic movie.

Speaker 4 I didn't know who she was.

Speaker 1 She was on that guy. And I'd be like, I don't know which.
Yes, that's what I refer to. When she came up, which one is the guy who's the father? I was like.

Speaker 2 I'm like, who is who? I don't know. They're all just like, they all are gross dudes.
Like, that's the one thing I know. And at one point, when it's revealed, there's one nice guy in the Grosos.

Speaker 2 That's the one that she likes.

Speaker 2 but the rest is just it was really hard it's like it would be like doing knives out but you would you like one character was trapped behind a door and like oh look at this you know this menagerie of characters here like you don't get to meet them okay until here's my question though i don't know if like we want to bring devin on to talk about this but i have some questions about the sound communication in devin bring him on okay well devin our our engineer knows everything

Speaker 1 about world war ii radio equipment so she's down in that special spot that they put her in yeah now in order for her to speak

Speaker 9 she has to press a button for the sound to get to the rest of the the grossos up there now it seems to me that they should probably have to press a button to get on comms to be able to communicate with everyone throughout that wait a second is this what you were going gonna ask Devin about like the intricacies of a be

Speaker 9 a fighter in World War II because here's the thing at certain points it just seems like she's listening in she is like she's just listening she listened for too long she listens for yeah yeah that's true for too long but when she's listening but what i'm saying is like there are moments where they cannot be pressing a button to speak oh i see because they're all speaking you mean they're having a conversation

Speaker 1 overhearing what's going on no that doesn't I agree. That is strange.

Speaker 1 I also wondered if you were on comms and you're man, because that's she's in a gun turret, you wouldn't be able to shoot and press the button to talk to people. You'd need to be able to talk freely.

Speaker 1 And say,

Speaker 1 you know, I'm there at my six o'clock or whatever. I'm, you know, you wouldn't be able to shoot and do that.

Speaker 1 That seemed like a contrivance so that they could shut her out almost when they turn her, when they turn her comm off, you know?

Speaker 2 Well, good news, June. There are literally pages and pages and pages and pages of

Speaker 2 continuity and

Speaker 2 military anachronisms listed on IMDb.

Speaker 1 You can get into all of that. Oh, yeah.
People got into it.

Speaker 2 I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 When I went

Speaker 2 on a USO tour to Iraq,

Speaker 2 we were in, you know, we were in these big, you know, these big ships and we were wearing the headsets and you did have to, everyone had to press a button, but you were like a part of the company.

Speaker 1 I was talking.

Speaker 1 That's why you say over because that means I'm going to let go of the button. Now you don't.

Speaker 9 Right. But that's not what was happening.
She was just hearing what was going on, but not everything that was going on, but just certain voices.

Speaker 2 She was tuning into misogyny radio.

Speaker 1 It was like a live podcast of bros, just like I got a nightmare. I'll put my thing.
The new like misogynist podcast.

Speaker 9 Here's the thing that I liked about, here's the thing that I liked about the movie and her being down there for as long as she was.

Speaker 9 There was something about it that was like, okay, I liked the way that things were unfolding. Like she's down there.
She's nervous about the package.

Speaker 9 Now we're nervous that these guys are going to maybe gang rape her. Now we're nervous that she's got to survive that.
And she's now got to survive like Japanese missiles.

Speaker 9 And now she's going to survive an alien. Like there were already

Speaker 9 so many stakes.

Speaker 1 So many worthwhile stakes. We didn't need

Speaker 1 the gremlins or we needed all the gremlins. All the gremlins.

Speaker 9 Yeah. We're the rest of them.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 1 yeah it's like mario lopez in his hair give me all the hair or give me none that is that's it right there i had the that's the mario lopez rule of how did this get made i i thought the guys were gremlins

Speaker 1 what what

Speaker 2 i thought okay so when she got into the plane right and they put her in that lower deck so like they are the the they are the personification of monsters they are essentially like werewolves like get in this hatch because we when we're flying, we become gremlins.

Speaker 1 Like, we are a special crew. Okay.

Speaker 2 And then I was like, oh, that's interesting. Like, they don't want us, they don't want to see, you can't see us become the werewolves.

Speaker 1 That, that, like, so I was building that story.

Speaker 2 I was like, ooh, there, that's a crew of gremlins. And that's why we got to see that video before.

Speaker 1 Which, by the way, I'm into that movie.

Speaker 9 I mean, they were, by the way, they were not gremlins.

Speaker 1 That's what that, I think that's what them, I think that's what the movie is clumsily trying to say is like, there are monsters of all sorts.

Speaker 1 There are monsters, literal monsters, and the figurative monsters of like toxic masculinity, you know?

Speaker 1 And she has to face, she has to face them all. All

Speaker 9 seem, it did seem like when she first saw the shadow in the cloud that she what she had maybe seen it before.

Speaker 1 It seemed, I agree. Yes, I agree so much that that was my head cannon that I started to build is that's why she got on this plane because what she has is going to combat the gremlins.

Speaker 1 She's here to get gremlins.

Speaker 1 And then when she was like not, when she was like surprised and it turned out she's just trying to escape with her baby, I was like, oh, so she accidentally got on a gremlin ship and gremlin ship is like a real thing and the guys don't want her baby.

Speaker 9 The gremlins seem to only want her.

Speaker 2 Gremlin wants her baby. And by the way, she's indestructible because she does some shit here.
Like, this is the problem I have with the dad.

Speaker 1 Let the gremlin raise the baby. Just let the gremlin raise the baby.

Speaker 2 Gremlins can be a good dad. Wait, was the dad the gremlin? Did she have sex with the

Speaker 1 guy?

Speaker 1 I heard her plane crash, and she was raised for six years by gremlins.

Speaker 2 Oh,

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Speaker 1 The fact that they never made any effort, nobody seemed shocked there were gremlins. They kept calling them big rats.

Speaker 1 They kept calling them big rats. They were human-size.
Big rats. What?

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? Big rats that literally

Speaker 2 took the baby away. Then the baby is hanging very precariously on the outside of the airplane.

Speaker 2 And again, it's just a box. We don't know the baby.
Do we know what baby's at the box?

Speaker 1 Yes, at that point, we do.

Speaker 9 Yes, we do.

Speaker 2 And she climbs out.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm all for it. She free solos this plane while it's at like 10,000 feet.

Speaker 2 I think the plane's going upside down. But meanwhile, later in the, in the movie, when she's got to like, when they're preparing for the crash landing, she's like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 I'm like, wait, you just hung on an airplane and like lassoed your baby to you with not even

Speaker 9 and was like pushed back by the she's indestructible.

Speaker 2 She's a terminator.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, she gets blown.
She falls out of the plane, literally.

Speaker 1 And simply, she only survives because the Japanese plane below her explodes and its explosion rockets her back up and into the hole she came out of. I mean, what?

Speaker 2 And without a mark on her.

Speaker 1 And she, again, is unphased.

Speaker 1 If that happened,

Speaker 1 the rest of the movie, she should be like, did you see what just happened to me? I fell out of the plane and was exploded back into it.

Speaker 2 Well, no, but this is the problem. This is a movie.

Speaker 2 And I guess, like, you know, you're in the middle of war, so you don't react to anything because everything is crazy, but no one, the only thing they react to is that the pulling the plane up.

Speaker 2 That's the only moment of reaction. Even when she faces off against that gremlin in that final fight scene, fisticuffs in the water, like there is no.

Speaker 9 Like, holy shit, there's a gremlin.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'll say. The men in the movie seem more upset and emotionally, viscerally furious.

Speaker 1 They are more engaged on an emotional level with the fact that there is a woman on their plane, more so than gremlins.

Speaker 8 A thousand percent.

Speaker 9 Vane. A thousand percent.
Vane shakes them to their core. They're like, we can't do our job.

Speaker 1 Is that a real girl? Is that a dame? Is that a real dame? It was like the episode of

Speaker 1 Is That a Real Dame, the podcast. Like, what is happening? They're so upset about that, but

Speaker 1 they don't have a single word for the fact that there are goddamn life-size, I mean, human-size gremlins on the, that they are insisting are giant rats.

Speaker 2 What? For a movie, for a movie that is only like a brisk 72 minutes or whatever it is, there is missing one scene, right?

Speaker 1 One scene where they go, just one.

Speaker 2 Give me this one scene and it changes it all, where.

Speaker 2 Literally, they don't believe her. Like she's like, there's something out there.
She fires a gun. She lies to them.
I don't understand why she lied to them about firing a gun.

Speaker 2 I guess because she shouldn't have had a gun, whatever.

Speaker 8 She's got a baby up there.

Speaker 9 I mean, she doesn't want them to think she has a gun.

Speaker 1 I didn't understand why she's,

Speaker 1 I think that's true, but

Speaker 1 I didn't understand that. And I couldn't understand why she put her finger.
in between the lock to so that it couldn't get open.

Speaker 1 It's just going to rip your finger off.

Speaker 2 I mean, by the way, I also don't understand why that package couldn't fit on her lap. It seemed like that package was easy enough to fit in the hole for sure.

Speaker 2 Okay, but but I guess what I'm missing is when she says there's something out there like you don't know what you're talking about, you dumb dame.

Speaker 2 And then she's like, no, there's something out there like, yeah, you dummy, you know, and then all of a sudden, when they all see it, all you want is like a moment of like,

Speaker 2 I guess you were right. Like, no one ever, like, no one even acknowledges, like, oh, shit has gone south here.

Speaker 1 The version we get is from Taggart, who I think is the Scottish guy, who is like, I like that. He's the, he's so aggressively misogynistic towards her.
And he's so, he pushes her into the gun turret.

Speaker 1 He's so like, you know, like, and she comes, when she finally does emerge, when she free solos the plane and climbs back in with her baby, she's spent like now minutes on the exterior of the plane.

Speaker 1 She climbs out to the, she gets to the wing. She gets the baby.
She climbs back in. He's fighting a gremlin.

Speaker 1 And he says to her, his final lines, his redemptive line is, get that baby out of here, you idiot. And then he gets sucked out of the plane by the gremlin.

Speaker 1 She was like,

Speaker 1 this guy is going down swinging. He is like, get that baby out of here, you idiot.

Speaker 1 Look, he loves it.

Speaker 2 Like, he loves that baby. You know, there is so

Speaker 2 much here that is so, like, I get that.

Speaker 2 It's a midnight movie. It's a genre movie.
It's a horror movie. And it's like trying to hit you on all these things, but it just doesn't feel like, it almost feels like it crashed mid-movie.

Speaker 2 Like it is going towards a place and then it just sort of like everything goes off the rails in a way where I can

Speaker 1 figure out what I think what was happening what was hard for me is there is so many, there's such high emotional stakes to it.

Speaker 1 It's and it's got great dogfight action set PC kind of like, you know, planes are shooting at them while the prevalence of it. A lot of stuff is happening, but they, I felt like the

Speaker 1 emotional weight was never there. Like every time

Speaker 1 when Chloe Great Moretz would like interact with the baby, I was like, I feel like she just met that baby 30 seconds before they put the baby in her arms and were like, okay, we're going to go. Ready?

Speaker 1 Okay, here's the baby. Great.
We're going to set the baby in the box. Okay, great.
Go. You know, like, I didn't feel like, and same for the actor who's revealed to be the father of the baby.

Speaker 1 Like, I didn't feel like the emotional weight was there.

Speaker 1 Because it all happened off screen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, you have no connection between any of these characters.

Speaker 1 I wasn't in their love I wasn't inside of their love story at all, you know.

Speaker 2 And while we're on the subject of Taggart, I just want to talk about this crew.

Speaker 1 Is this an American crew?

Speaker 2 Because it also is

Speaker 1 super international. There's a British guy, there's a Kiwi, there's a.

Speaker 8 It's the Allied forces.

Speaker 1 They're all, it's like a whole ragtag group, but they do, again, no favors because for 80% of the movie, they are just voices on a radio, you know?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 8 I do wonder, you know, so it came out in 2020. Like, I do wonder the choice to have her down there for that long.
It did really feel like something must have happened.

Speaker 1 It felt pandemic-y to me.

Speaker 8 Very much so. Now, I did, you know, I did love the choice of her

Speaker 8 being in that little area and thinking that her child had died, like, and having her. I mean, she had to do a shit ton of acting down in that little.

Speaker 2 she carries a lot of the weight on her shoulders and does an amazing job. But I will tell you one thing.

Speaker 1 I mean, she does her best to carry the whole movie. Like almost nobody else gets screen time for the most part, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I think the only thing that I felt bad about, because I do think that she is very good in this film, is when she dropped the accent, I didn't really notice it.

Speaker 2 Like when they, hey, wait, she's talking different.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Is she? And like, I thought the accent she was.

Speaker 1 She had been doing a real british british accent you know i guess and i guess i just became american i guess what i have a trouble with is maybe like a 1940s accent and a british accent were close enough that i was like oh i didn't i didn't read it one way or the other american accent i just thought

Speaker 1 atlantic i'm getting in that ship and i'm gonna go go over there i'm british you see we're gonna go get in the lorry and get in the lift come on there this is i mean i'm so shocked you don't get more period work you don't work more in period films i'm trying i gotta accent work yeah hey there boy you think i'm over here listen if you adjust i want to hear i want to hear your monologue for the old audition in that accent hey you want to come on down to the beach i gotta go to old beach

Speaker 2 we've been there since 1940.

Speaker 8 no listen here's where i you know obviously i just had a birthday i'm getting older but i was watching the movie and i'm like i feel really like i'm watching it i thought she was great and i enjoy watching her but I'm like, is she like a 12 years old?

Speaker 8 And then I just was like, oh, maybe I'm just getting so much older that when I see someone who's like, oh, this isn't an adult woman. This is like, this isn't a coming of age story.

Speaker 8 Like, this is a story about a grown woman. She's a grown woman.
It was just, did anyone else have it?

Speaker 1 But maybe I'm just like, no, this happens to me all the time in this, if this exact same thing, where I think a young, especially it happens like Chloe Grace Moritz is a great example.

Speaker 1 I feel like I got to know her when she was quite young because she was hit girl in the kick-ass movies and she was a kid.

Speaker 1 So the idea that she's now not just an adult who absolutely it's organic for her to have a child, but in my mind, I too was like, oh no, the kid has a baby. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 No, that's like a 30-year-old woman, probably who has a baby. That's entirely appropriate in 1946.
She would be a middle-aged woman. She's

Speaker 1 probably actually,

Speaker 1 she's probably actually like an older mom yeah so she's so confusing and i'm having a hard time connecting she is 23 she's 23 when she made this case

Speaker 1 she was a bit oh she's still young

Speaker 2 still by the way probably not too young for the role no no yeah no because it's like you're thinking about these are soldiers are getting into the army and they're all right yeah so the whole cast is super young you know but she just seemed so young to me i was like i'm watching a child yeah i can i can i say one thing that when i'm even older but go ahead yeah when I typed in shadow in the cloud on Google one of the first things that showed up was based on a true story and then what I clicked that

Speaker 1 I clicked it and I was like wait how does anyone how is that one of the most frequently asked questions based on

Speaker 1 a true story is that that true should that happen

Speaker 1 How could that like the fact that that is that often asked? Yeah. Yeah.
There was,

Speaker 1 there's, I will say it is a testament to her kind of star power that the movie even is watchable at all because it's so, it is, so, so much of it is static. It's just her in the turret.

Speaker 1 And then the rest of it is so chaotic and geographically confusing. Who's where, when, who's who, who are these actors.

Speaker 1 And when she comes up out of the bubble, I was like, is the guy that she was in love with still alive? Do we even know which one of these? Yeah, like we keep seeing bodies on the story.

Speaker 8 Now, I think she was great, but I

Speaker 8 was really connected to the basic story.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 And even seeing her at the end, that last moment, even though there are gremlins running around and nobody's told me why or how or where, even that last moment where I saw her breastfeeding, you know,

Speaker 8 I was like, God damn it, if this doesn't make me feel something. And I am absolutely intrigued by the premise of this story.

Speaker 8 So it really, I really did connect to it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 8 I did. And I was like, oh, I so wish, because I think this could have been an incredible movie.

Speaker 8 about a woman who's in this situation minus gremlins.

Speaker 1 Well, that was, that's the thing is you can't have all these things because then it's like, are you, it becomes too much. It's like too, it's a hat on a hat on a hat, right?

Speaker 1 It's not just, I have to protect my baby. It's, I also have to fly and land this plane.
It's also, I have to fight this, these gremlins. Like, let's

Speaker 1 get the basics. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Snakes on the plane was only about snakes on a motherfucking plane. There were no babies.

Speaker 1 There's snakes. Like, it wasn't like there were, oh, no, there are wolves on the plane.
Or like, it's gremlins. You have to answer.

Speaker 1 Where are these gremlins from? And why are they called gremlins? They, I mean, why are they called gremlins? And, and, are these aliens?

Speaker 1 Are they, like, I also was like, when they crash landed and you, the, the sea, and then she goes out. She goes out and she beats the shit out of a gremlin.

Speaker 1 She beats a gremlin to death with her bare hands.

Speaker 2 Basically breaks his jaw into his own.

Speaker 1 She basically, she uses the gremlin's taloned hand and does the why are you hitting yourself thing kind of and

Speaker 1 kills the gremlin with the gremlin's own taloned hand? The gremlin never bites her or never gets a hand on her. It doesn't matter.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 I kind of wanted, though, at the end, for her to be at the, what you're describing, June, as that final tableau of

Speaker 1 she's done it, they've rescued the baby, there's a couple of people left alive. I kind of wanted, like, over the crest of the hill for there to be like hundreds of gremlins.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I was let them land on gremlin island and then tell me, guess what? Gremlins are part of the mythology of this story. Well, but this is interesting.

Speaker 2 Again, and this is where my mind is going. And this is what it's like to, you know, to watch a movie with me.

Speaker 2 When she put the baby on her breast, which I thought was actually a very, you know, that breastfeeding moment was a very cool visual for the end. I don't know if I feel like it worked.

Speaker 1 Super, but I like that idea. Super cool visual.

Speaker 1 Notice that I didn't know like how her milk didn't dry up after all that trauma. I mean, she had, she had been hanging off a plane.
I'm glad we're talking about it.

Speaker 1 I'm glad we're talking about it.

Speaker 8 She was still lacking.

Speaker 1 She was still just.

Speaker 1 Well, in a lot of takes, in a lot of scenes, you can see that she's leaking. She's leaking milk.
You can see it. It's out there.
Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 that was the dead giveaway.

Speaker 2 That was the dead giveaway that it was a baby in the box. But I thought at the end the baby would be like, it would be like, I'm going to put this baby in my breast.

Speaker 2 And then the final scare would be like,

Speaker 2 and the baby was a Kremlin and bite her in the chest.

Speaker 1 Oh, I know. So that's, I thought, yeah.
I never thought that, but I was, I did think, like, somehow these gremlins have to win, right? Like, or no, I mean, that one gremlin fell from the sky.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 The one that she fights and punches in the face with his own fist. Yes.
I'm like, that one fell from the fucking sky.

Speaker 1 And she chopped its tail off and it had wings. Like, we think she kills it, but then it sprouts wings and flies away.

Speaker 8 And I thought that was a great moment. I did.

Speaker 8 There were a couple of moments like that where I thought it was really well directed, where like she when she and I agree the geography was insane not seeing anybody up there like here's what here's what I justified I was like something happened it is pre-pandemic but something happened with this cast yeah or the plane or something

Speaker 8 where they could not shoot anything up there or they just didn't have the budget was cut like something major

Speaker 2 must have gone how much do you think this movie cost

Speaker 1 seven million dollars

Speaker 8 i bet more than that like 20 million 10 10 mil.

Speaker 2 Oh. I mean, it's not a, not a, not a small budgeted movie.
I guess there are some really big.

Speaker 1 There's a couple of exteriors. Yeah.
There's a couple, but there, but, you know.

Speaker 8 But it is sort of like, at a certain point, it's like a one-woman show.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Down in the lock.

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Speaker 1 I would have, yeah,

Speaker 1 there was a lot of

Speaker 1 to me,

Speaker 1 this could have been like

Speaker 1 alien,

Speaker 1 right? Yes. Like, oh,

Speaker 1 there's a gremlin on the ship. Or there's gremlins on the ship.
Okay. And it could have had like,

Speaker 1 I think for me, there was too much going on. And that's why the movie ultimately kind of didn't work.
I enjoyed parts of it, but

Speaker 1 it would have,

Speaker 1 I would have liked more of the horror gremlins movie. And I didn't need the

Speaker 1 dogfight. I didn't need her.
What'd you say?

Speaker 8 I said, you wanted gremless.

Speaker 1 That's what she is.

Speaker 1 Little gremless. Gremlins.
Oh, by the way.

Speaker 1 Gremlines.

Speaker 1 Really, like that element of it, I would have liked almost more of her in the plane with the other actors and the gremlins so we would get to know the ensemble better, we would get to understand the stakes better, and that the threat was truly these gremlins.

Speaker 2 Does somebody need to be transporting gremlins?

Speaker 1 their nest there can't be a rumor about gremlins this much

Speaker 1 a movie that has gremlins in it and have it not re have none of the main characters really be like what the fuck is up with these gremlins snakes on the plane

Speaker 2 they tell you how those snakes they don't they don't just like say that snakes are on a plane they tell you how the snakes get on a plane and gremlins you understand the rules of the gremlins why they even exist every one of these movies the thing you get it like you get alien you get it here's a couple questions though that are grim less um the baby in the box i didn't see too many holes in that box with the no that was they so that's why i bet

Speaker 8 i knew there was a baby in the box because in the very beginning when she's packing up the box in that montage sequence there's like an air there's like a little ventilation it's the speaker it's the speaker area for it because it's a radio bag she calls it okay so yes that was down on the lower right hand side right which would mean that the baby like that's a

Speaker 1 baby

Speaker 1 in a way that the blanket is probably covering that thing.

Speaker 2 That is my thing. I was like, the baby, like, the baby's arm and head in a blanket, because that baby is swaddled to the...

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want to say shame on this movie for there's a moment where she crash lands the plane

Speaker 1 and they they they give the one and only fantasy sequence in this movie is she visualizes her dead lover and dead baby. Like she visualizes,

Speaker 1 I'm going to turn around and i'm gonna and but the movie shows it to you in a way that is almost as if it's really what's happening all of those visualizations

Speaker 1 i thought all of those were fantasy sequence like that one but in this one it's like it's like you see the the baby thing is crushed and the the lover is on the floor dead and there's blood seeping out of the the radio box and i was like oh fuck did this happen and then and then it cuts out and it's clearly a it's a fantasy but i was like hey man don't make me think the baby is dead don't don't kid me me.

Speaker 1 Don't, don't, don't, don't do this just to get, just, just to zap me, you know, like, like, she did it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a very, it's a very hard

Speaker 1 manipulative to me in a way that I was like, I don't appreciate it.

Speaker 8 I just like seeing even like

Speaker 1 dream baby blood.

Speaker 8 It's like it was too much for me. It was just too much for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They also, I mean, this is just dumb little stuff, but she says at some point, we have to crash land. We have to dump the fuel and dump all the cargo or we're going to explode.

Speaker 1 They do neither of those things and they crash land and it explodes, but they manage to get away. There was just like dumb little stuff that I was like,

Speaker 1 I don't, again, it did anybody.

Speaker 8 Okay, I laughed so hard when that gremlin whose tail she cut off and they started flying back to her when she was just trying to throw out like various pieces of cargo to try and hit just to try and drop it on the ground.

Speaker 4 Like that, you really have to have like

Speaker 1 double aim. Hundreds of hours, hundreds of miles per hour.

Speaker 2 Hey, look, she's actually one of those great people at a carnival that can drop like the circles over like the pyramid and then get a big prize.

Speaker 1 I laughed so hard at that, and I laughed so hard also at her with a piece of pipe trying to catch the baby who's like 10 feet away.

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 you are traveling at hundreds of miles an hour. She is thousands of feet in the air.

Speaker 2 Her face wasn't even like really rippling.

Speaker 1 Her hair is sheer. There's no wind.
There's no, they're in a dogfight. The plane must be doing evasive maneuvers because they're getting shot up by the Japanese aircraft that are attacking them.

Speaker 1 She is just reaching out with that pole, going to catch this baby on a stick. I was like, what is happening?

Speaker 2 So, again,

Speaker 2 I know, I don't want to keep on circling back to it, but why do the gremlins want that baby so bad?

Speaker 1 Or why do they want that plane? Like, why are you?

Speaker 8 And I think that's why they want the baby before she got on that plane.

Speaker 1 Well, that's what I'm asking. Did the gremlins show up because of the baby? Or was this the best of the best? Do the gremlins work for the abusive husband?

Speaker 1 Was this plane just riddled with gremlins and she happened to get on it? Uh-oh, the gremlins want the baby now.

Speaker 2 Well, but the minute that she sees that guy in the beginning, right, who gets disappeared right before she gets on the plane, right? She like she's in the Air Force. She's in the airfield.

Speaker 2 There's a guy in front of her, and then he goes, and so the gremlins are on the ground.

Speaker 1 And the gremlins are there.

Speaker 1 They're on the wing. She sees the hydraulics have been ripped out.
And she mentions it to the crew, and the crew's like,

Speaker 1 you didn't see that. You're alive.
It's when they're saying, shut up. There's a dame.
She doesn't know anything.

Speaker 2 And there's a lot of questions about why, like, are gremlins mischievous? Or are they baby, like, or do they want that baby's blood? Because I also feel like they took the baby like...

Speaker 2 The way that you would be like, oh, I'm going to save this for later.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, like, why not tell us? Like, oh, Hitler invented gremlins in this world. Or the Japanese because this world, the Japanese are underneath us.
Yes, they have,

Speaker 1 in this World War II story, the Nazis have gremlins. They've succeeded in their supernatural secrets.
In their liftoff stuff, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I didn't think, I think you're right, Paul, that it was, you know,

Speaker 8 I think the war was a backdrop to what was happening with the gremlins, that the gremlins wanted to take that baby somewhere else

Speaker 8 and make it a gremlin.

Speaker 8 either make it a gremlin or make hybrids or some

Speaker 2 well because here's my thought i think that the gremlins look like remember that movie we watched sleepwalkers where it was like the mother and son who are the cats oh my gosh all right so i mean vaguely don't care a bunch of dead cats hanging in a tree yes and there's

Speaker 1 no i was there for that you 100 were because oh i remember they were an incestuous mother and son which you refuse to believe was an incestuous mother and son you did you think they were a couple?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You were very upset about the mother and son there.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. There was some, there was, God, I don't remember.
There was some funny conversation.

Speaker 8 Nothing is sparking anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lauren Lap was the guest.

Speaker 1 That's funny.

Speaker 2 But there's a really famous scene where like a cop is trying to pull over a man cat and he's like, and his face turns into like a man cat. But they look like hair.

Speaker 2 They look like the cats from Sleepwalkers.

Speaker 1 When the gremlin is on the outside of the bubble and it's like tongue starts to expand and gets

Speaker 1 I was like, what is this?

Speaker 1 Let it do something. I thought it was going to like

Speaker 1 flexing.

Speaker 1 I thought it was going to spit acid so it could get into the bubble. Or I didn't understand.
Like they give you specifics, but they don't give you specifics. They don't follow through.

Speaker 1 You don't get third act explanations. There's no, this movie, no exposition.

Speaker 1 No. No exposition.
I was like, what?

Speaker 1 These men and this woman have survived, and this baby have survived an insane thing. A plane crash, a dogfight, war itself, a misogyny,

Speaker 1 the threats to a baby. But the highlight should be, we saw gremlins and we fought them.
Like, what the what? And won. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You know, that one shot, you're right. Like, I never knew, I really didn't know what the gremlins could do.
Like,

Speaker 8 did they ever really kill someone or just sort of throw them on

Speaker 1 planes? They do.

Speaker 1 But they also seem to be mostly like pulling the plane apart mid-air. They're destroying the engines.
They're destroying. They're just killing.
They're just tearing.

Speaker 1 They're tearing. They seem to eat.
Exactly. That's why the guy's like, there's a big guy.
I saw a big rat. Like, is that what they are? Are they just like rodents that have infested this?

Speaker 1 Rats of the sky? Like,

Speaker 1 yeah, they've infested this plane and they're just. These are not real, though.
It's like, it's like, like, this is like, like,

Speaker 2 like, I can get under, I can understand. Okay, there's a, like, they seem to have ill will towards our like our group in particular or like why do they need three?

Speaker 1 It seems like the villains in a way that I'm like what is their motivation? What is the gremlin's motivation?

Speaker 2 If it crashes, don't they die?

Speaker 1 No, well, because at least one of them can fly.

Speaker 2 Okay, and I guess

Speaker 2 the other question I have is this, and this is an awful lot of people.

Speaker 1 Are these aliens? Are these aliens or are these just a species of?

Speaker 8 These might be aliens.

Speaker 1 I assumed aliens as well, but are these just a species of animal we haven't seen one of the best one of the best things about i thought they were vampire bats at one point i was like are these going to be vampires

Speaker 2 i mean it none of it really makes any sense but i will ask you about this because this is another trope that i noticed and this is off gremlins again just to every now and then bring it away from gremlins and ask you this um

Speaker 2 a lot of times in these movies um like people are being very pessimistic in a moment where it feels like total shock should be happening like when they're about to crash that plane, they're like, it's not going to make it.

Speaker 2 You're not going to make it. You're not going to make it.

Speaker 2 And I was wondering, first of all,

Speaker 2 does that help? Like, would you do that? If you're in a moment, like Dom Toreto shooting off the thing, like once you're in mid-flight, once you are in free fall, don't you want to be a positive?

Speaker 8 Don't be quiet, actually.

Speaker 2 That's what I would imagine. I mean, do you think that you would be, June, like if you and I were, you know, flying off a cliff, do you think you would hold your criticism back?

Speaker 2 Because at that point, what what can we do? We've already committed to making it.

Speaker 2 So, at that point, I just always find it such a funny, weird thing that people are so pessimistic in the middle of a moment of life and death.

Speaker 2 Like, my last thing I said is, uh, take the baby, you dummy, and we're not gonna make it. Like,

Speaker 2 your last words are, I'm not gonna make it, is really like a dark.

Speaker 1 They also execute a crash landing that is so insane and

Speaker 1 so like bananas. Like, they don't just crash land, they have to do a full 180 in the plane in order to crash land correctly.
And yes, they execute it flawlessly.

Speaker 1 Like, they execute something that's, I suspect, is it literally impossible

Speaker 1 and do it. And it is so funny to me.
That's the thing is, like,

Speaker 1 everybody is just doing stuff

Speaker 1 in a way that I was like, okay, cool. You're all like badasses in the air.
Fine.

Speaker 1 Still gremlins. Guys.
Yeah. Wouldn't you still be saying, what the fuck was that? What was, what do you, what do, what, what was that? What did they want? Where did you, where did we pick them up?

Speaker 1 Like, I was thinking about it. I will tell you, I will tell you that Casey has a

Speaker 1 gremlin.

Speaker 8 No, she has a cousin. His name is Jimmy Jett.
He is a former airline pilot.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 And Jimmy Jett was, well, he worked for like Delta.

Speaker 2 And is his name really Jimmy Jett?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Wait, so his name was. Well, his name is not Jimmy Jett, but he calls himself Jimmy Jett.
I was going to say, if your name is Jimmy Jett, Jimmy Jett become a pilot.

Speaker 8 And Jimmy Jett

Speaker 8 maintains that he has seen not one, not two,

Speaker 8 but dozens of aliens up in the sky.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. No, this is a big thing.

Speaker 1 This is a big thing.

Speaker 8 Now, I think, I'm pretty sure Delta asked him to not return

Speaker 8 after he started publishing his newsletter. But

Speaker 2 wow, we are good.

Speaker 8 So, but, but I will say

Speaker 8 it occurred to me watching the movie, like maybe at one point I thought maybe these guys have just seen so many creatures up there. Sure, yeah, that they are non-plus.

Speaker 1 Well, it also, it reminded me, of course, of the Twilight Zone

Speaker 1 famous Twilight Zone episode with William Shatner. Yes.
Where there's a mon, is it Is it William Shatner? Where there's a wing of the wing?

Speaker 2 Yeah, William Shatner, where he's a monster on the wing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. A monster on the wing of the plane.
And so when it started, I was like, oh, is this going to be like one of those kind of stories? Is this a...

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 when the closed captioning told me that it was a gremlin, I was like, oh, here we go. This movie is going to be gremlins on this plane.
And then it kind of was, but it also kind of wasn't.

Speaker 1 Like, they were just as concerned about other things as they were about the gremlins. Again, I'm obsessed with the gremlins.
And also, I can't believe that we're allowed to call them gremlins.

Speaker 2 The gremlins actually was created by

Speaker 2 Rodahl, right? Or is that how you pronounce it?

Speaker 1 Oh, exactly. I didn't know that.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he actually came up with that term in his first children's book. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 And gremlins were fighting against fighting humans because of deforestation.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 he was

Speaker 1 the Jodante gremlins

Speaker 1 is not an adaptation of the Roaldahl gremlins. No, isn't it?

Speaker 2 No, no, no, yes.

Speaker 2 But that term gremlins has been around

Speaker 2 since he was a fighter pilot. His first story was about gremlins,

Speaker 2 and then gremlins became a whole thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's interesting. Okay.
But now I do have a question about, well, I like then that, okay, so I take it back.

Speaker 1 So I like then that this movie, which I did not know, and I guess I could have inferred from the cartoon at the beginning, that this movie is taking

Speaker 1 an actual thing that pilots would describe something bad, shoddy workmanship as gremlins having gotten at it. And it has actually said, What if really gremlins were the cause of the plane's problems?

Speaker 1 What if actual gremlins rather than just bad workmanship, right? This, that's what this movie's launching point is.

Speaker 1 What if that saying or that phrase was actually true and that the engine failure was due to not

Speaker 1 because the mechanics did a bad job, but because an actual gremlin is tearing out the wiring?

Speaker 2 By the way, I will, I want to just because I just googled it to make sure I was right. It did start among airmen.
Okay. So, like this, and Rodah like popularized it.

Speaker 2 So, there was this idea that there are

Speaker 2 spirits, fairies, leprechauns, and gremlins. And

Speaker 2 so basically,

Speaker 2 there was this,

Speaker 2 you know, this, it got very popularized during World War II, but it was even starting in 1938 about these mystical creatures.

Speaker 2 You know, and there, a lot of servicemen talked about these gremlins.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, Britain saw the first gremlins. That's basically all we know.

Speaker 2 They're the product of a machine age. They believe it was a passing of the buck, important to the morale of the pilots, that it wasn't their fault.
It was another person's fault because

Speaker 2 they were such a complex machine. So they didn't want to be blamed for any of these things going wrong.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 wow, wow. Okay.
I mean, I don't mind. That's interesting though, that they chose to take that and make it like an actual thing, like, oh, an actual gremlin.

Speaker 1 But then I feel like they just did, that's what they did. They did that alone.

Speaker 2 I mean, this is really funny. It's really funny that they created like a fake person to help boost the morale.
Because listen to these ads. Gremlins are floor greasers.
So watch your step.

Speaker 2 Gremlins love to pitch things at your eyes. So wear safety goggles.

Speaker 1 These are real. These are all real.
Gremlins will push you around.

Speaker 2 So watch where you're going. Gremlins will get you.
If you don't watch out, why help little gremlins? You know, dust in the corner.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like, they basically are creating someone not to make you feel bad for fucking up, which is a really

Speaker 2 amazing and weird thing to do. Yeah.
Like, to basically

Speaker 1 be like, hey, it's not your fault. It's a scapegoat.

Speaker 1 It's a scapegoat to cover up, you know, bad workmanship on complicated, on flying women.

Speaker 1 Maybe, yeah.

Speaker 8 I guess that was the whole point of the story, right? That she was more more capable. She saved them from the

Speaker 1 mechanical problems that these literal gremlins were causing.

Speaker 8 Yes, but she also saved them from enemy fire and she was

Speaker 8 saved them from their incompetence in a way. And

Speaker 8 I guess that's all the explanation we needed about the gremlins.

Speaker 1 I guess so. I guess I would have liked a little more.
I would have liked to have known, like,

Speaker 1 where these gremlins come from.

Speaker 2 I just say, I think, well, I mean,

Speaker 1 what's up with these gremlins? I would have loved her to be at the end, like, what's up with these gremlins?

Speaker 2 Well, not only is she like, all right, so she fights gremlins. She hangs out on the airplane.
She's got this baby. She's transporting it.
She writes her own fake letters. She's good at shooting a gun.

Speaker 2 She's good at beating up people, saving the day, exploding, and all of that. And she, I think, creates the term shoot your shot.

Speaker 2 Because at one point, she turns to the pilot of this plane and says, You got to shoot your shot.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that would that to me made me laugh.

Speaker 1 I also didn't understand. She, at some point, says, You have no idea how far I'll go.

Speaker 1 You have no idea how far I'll go. And I'm like, Who's she talking to right now? I think to the gremlins.

Speaker 2 I mean, by the way, at that point,

Speaker 2 I want to say, we do. We do know how far you will go.
You got blown up out of like you have to go.

Speaker 1 Not yet. She has to go.
Not yet. This is before that.
This is when she's about to climb out and hold.

Speaker 2 Yes. You're right.
Yes. So it was to the gremlins.
It was maybe telepathically to the gremlins.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I almost wish she had been like

Speaker 1 she, I wanted her to be like a

Speaker 1 spy.

Speaker 1 In my mind, she was a spy and she snuck aboard this plane because she knew they were gremlins. And she's on board to fight gremlins.

Speaker 1 You know, she's like Hellboy or something, you know, and they have no idea. And she's like,

Speaker 1 that's her job is she's like a badass monster killer. But when she was just as surprised by the gremlins as everybody else, I was like, oh no, this movie is very different.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's happening. She doesn't know about the gremlins.
Nobody knows about the gremlins.

Speaker 2 But even her first reaction is like, there's a gremlin out there. I'm going to take a gun and I'm going to fucking shoot.

Speaker 1 Sure. My first thing was, I'm not going to say anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm taking this one to the grave.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to tell anybody. I just saw a gremlin.

Speaker 1 oh my holy shit this was some wild stuff yeah but you know what

Speaker 1 i don't know you were in you were in i was i was holy cow

Speaker 8 i like a plain movie yeah so scratch certainly scratched that itch yep And then I enjoyed the motherhood piece of it.

Speaker 1 And it really are somewhere. I was there on cool things.
I was on the fence until breastfeeding. And, you know, automatically breastfeeding in a movie just, I'm like, it skyrockets to top of the list.

Speaker 1 So I thought it was great.

Speaker 8 I loved that moment.

Speaker 1 I did too.

Speaker 2 I actually, like, the two moments that I remember the most from the film, well, I get, I should say three. One, when she's working that artillery gun, when she's like,

Speaker 2 like Rambo style, like that was awesome. Like, and just like, she's, like, she can really do it all.

Speaker 2 And I think that she does a great job of like, you buy her, like, I don't, I never, at a certain point, and there are certain action movies where you're like, oh, I don't buy that that person could hit that.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I mean, maybe it's because of the hit hit girl of it all, but the way she beat the fuck out of that gremlin, it seemed believable to me.

Speaker 2 Like, she, I, I felt like she wasn't a person who was into fisticuffs all the time.

Speaker 1 Well, she was

Speaker 1 either of a mother.

Speaker 1 The only part, which you mentioned earlier, the only part that I made her look silly was when she was trying to drop cargo on the flying gremlin below. Because I was like, well, that just wouldn't.

Speaker 1 The minute you drop it out, it's going to immediately rocket behind you.

Speaker 1 You're moving in a plane. That's not how it works.

Speaker 1 But otherwise, yeah, I loved when she shoots, because she shoots two of the Japanese bomber guys,

Speaker 1 one from her turret and one from a different turret. Like she is, and she flies, she lands the plane.
She is like, Rambo is a good example.

Speaker 1 Like she's adept and a badass in all ways, shape, and form, including giving her baby nourishment with her boobs.

Speaker 2 All I would have needed was a tight. I've already said I needed one scene, but now I'll say this.
I won't even take a scene.

Speaker 2 Just at the end of the movie, the credits go to to black, and it says, reports of this were

Speaker 2 blacked out for a church. Like, just put a thing up there.
Like, the government hid the thing. She went off and did this.
But here's the thing. And again, I guess the reason why people ask.

Speaker 1 And her lover, the guy that, the father of the baby, he lives too, right? Yes. See, I never was like, it never, I was.

Speaker 1 I wanted all three of them to be together.

Speaker 2 They wanted, like, I wanted him to be with her while she was breastfeeding, then to be triumphant on that mountain, and then to hear the screech of of a gremlin in the background.

Speaker 1 Give me like 200 gremlins like descending upon them. I want to know.

Speaker 2 I want that monster from the fucking Book of Boba Fett first episode. Pop that out of the ground.

Speaker 1 Let's get, yeah.

Speaker 2 Why people ask it's real. I do think it is confusing.
And I think it's, again, you talked about like these moments in this movie that like are tropes or made you feel a certain way.

Speaker 2 You watch this movie, a crazy ass movie. We've already talked about why it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 And then you cut to this end where it's like you're seeing all of our crew members for more screen time than they even really had in the actual film, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 Like, and these like nice, like, hey, this is them at work and play before the gremlins hit. And then they just casually mix in real footage of actual soldiers.
I think it's a weird choice.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, I choose.

Speaker 1 I didn't see that. Oh, yeah.
All the whole credit sequence is all these amazing women.

Speaker 8 Because on Hulu, oh, I would have loved to have seen that. On Hulu, you couldn't watch the credit sequence.
It prompts to another movie so quickly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I I know.

Speaker 8 So I saw it sort of like outtakes, but I didn't see.

Speaker 2 Oh, so they basically have this like montage of all the

Speaker 2 wasps, which are the women Air Force Service pilots.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 2 So it's really cool, but it is also confusing because like League of Their Own, I want to see the women playing baseball.

Speaker 1 Like, this isn't

Speaker 1 real. You're saying people might have thought it was real.

Speaker 2 Because I do think there's something, it's like, this is not even... a story about you.
Like, this is not even like, oh my gosh, this is the first woman pilot who did something.

Speaker 2 It's like, this is just a straight up Rambo story like but to put real people there I'm like

Speaker 1 it is a little

Speaker 1 I was like that's cool but it's also like wait what

Speaker 1 I would have also liked it if they did that if there's like a black and white photo of you know

Speaker 1 a female pilot but then I was just gonna say a black and white photo of like a plane with gremlins on it like or or or just or a black and white photo of gremlins like Jarshashar, you know, and just like, hey, and they're like, Miktu.

Speaker 2 You know, it's like all these different, just classic gremlin, black and white shots, gremlins in bikinis.

Speaker 2 Anyway, obviously, we have an opinion about this movie, but there are people out there with a different opinion. Actually, scratch that.
There are people out there with this same exact opinion.

Speaker 2 We're going to hear from them. That's right.
It's not second opinions. It's third opinions.

Speaker 11 Jason, June, and Paul.

Speaker 11 So open up your mind.

Speaker 2 That's right, it's third opinions. There are a lot of positive reviews of this film.
42% are five-star reviews, but they seem to be bogged down in technicalities.

Speaker 2 It's not really fun five-star reviews. So we wanted to get into some of the more fun one-star reviews.

Speaker 2 This is written by just Amazon Customer. What a complete and utter disappointment.
The entire premise of the movie is a joke. There's no plot, no rhyme, no reason.
It makes no sense.

Speaker 1 And the whole thing's about a baby?

Speaker 1 One star.

Speaker 2 This one's written by Brian L.

Speaker 2 Nasty Vogel, and it goes like this.

Speaker 2 This is possibly the worst movie ever made, and I watch a lot of movies. I feel obliged not to let the unsuspecting viewers purchase or rent this mess.

Speaker 2 I managed to get through this movie only by making a game out of how many consecutive seconds Chloe Grace Moritz's face was not on the screen. I only got to 2.8 seconds.

Speaker 2 That's the highest length by far. The movie is nothing other than a ridiculous dialogue featuring only voices talking to Chloe Grace Moritz.

Speaker 2 And then it goes, the plot is even worse than the ill-prepared props of the Speary Gun Turret. I want my money back.
That is one star. And that was written just a couple of days ago.

Speaker 2 This one's written, and our final one is written by Nat. I think this movie disrespects the audience's intelligence.
It's a ridiculous excuse for storytelling. Did interns write this?

Speaker 2 And by interns, they must have been interns to an elementary student council. That's it.
Children wrote and directed this. That's the only explanation.
Now I don't feel so bad.

Speaker 2 You kids should pat each other on the head. Job well done.
Don't let anyone squash your imagination until you're adults and you actually want to make something that you're proud of.

Speaker 2 In that case, don't do this. Just quit.
Run away from any association to this movie. It'll be a step in the right direction, kids.

Speaker 1 One star

Speaker 1 that he invented. The kids that he invented.

Speaker 1 He invented. Wow.

Speaker 1 What a wild ramp. What a journey.

Speaker 2 Anyway,

Speaker 2 Jason, June, any final thoughts? Would you recommend this movie? I mean, June, you said yes, right?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I mean, in an absurd way, yeah. And like I said, at an hour and 20, it zips by great.
I was like, okay, I'm having fun.

Speaker 1 I had some structural problems with it.

Speaker 1 But I, you know, I'm like, I'm into Gremlins plus World War II plus dogfight plus, you know,

Speaker 1 Protect the Baby

Speaker 1 movie.

Speaker 1 It just, ah,

Speaker 1 it almost, I really, I was viscerally upset, though, that I didn't think the movie was, I, you know, I thought the movie is flawed but uh they used kate bush in the closing credits and that broke my heart because it was it that's just too great a song to use in too bad a movie so that i had a real issue with especially after the the techno synth especially after yes the synthy john carpenter ripoff score to give us kate bush hounds of love at the end i was like how dare you um

Speaker 1 I hear that.

Speaker 8 I really love the score, but it just, that, that since it's just scratching and trimming. I loved it.
But I enjoyed it, you know, I just enjoyed it. And the gremlins were

Speaker 8 shocking, and we have, we still have no answers, but even with them,

Speaker 1 I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 I wonder if we're just like, are we in a place in time where the world is full of such chaos that even a movie like this, we're like, yes, thank you. Thank you, movie.

Speaker 8 Listen, it took me

Speaker 1 on a plane

Speaker 8 place that I didn't expect to go. And at an hour and 20 minutes,

Speaker 8 I thought it was a fine use of my time.

Speaker 1 Here's, here's,

Speaker 2 I will, I will agree that if you were in a theater at midnight with a bunch of people,

Speaker 2 it would be a fun

Speaker 2 thing.

Speaker 1 I can see this as a midnight movie type. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 All right, so now here's my dumb joke that I saved to the end, and I've set it up now, so it's going to be too complex, but I'll say it anyway.

Speaker 2 You know, one of the characters in the film is Stu Beckle. And I said, Did Beckle pass the Bechdahl test

Speaker 2 by not talking about Chloe Grace Moritz

Speaker 2 with another person for one scene? And he did not. So that's my answer there.

Speaker 1 Wait, did Beckle

Speaker 1 pass the Beckdal test?

Speaker 1 Good job, babe. Wow.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure that you understand what the Bechtel test is. No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So that joke is just about the near,

Speaker 1 the, the, the, the sound-alike of their names. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 I'd say that one. I'd say that one at the end because I knew we had to get out of high dude.

Speaker 1 It's really worth it.

Speaker 1 I looked at this note that I hand-wrote down. I was like, what is this?

Speaker 2 I was like, oh, I got to read that.

Speaker 2 June, you have something really fun coming up, right, at the Jane Club?

Speaker 8 Yes. On January 22nd, we are hosting our third virtual day-long retreat, and it will be incredible.
We have different speakers. We do writing sessions.
There's meditation.

Speaker 8 It's just one of my favorite days of the year.

Speaker 1 All right, great.

Speaker 2 And Jason, anything else that you want to talk about?

Speaker 1 You know, no, not really.

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