Diana: The Musical LIVE! (HDTGM Matinee)

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Speaker 2 Just because you are singing words doesn't mean it's a song.

Speaker 2 You know what that means.

Speaker 2 We saw Diana the musical.

Speaker 2 So you know what that means.

Speaker 2 no vest, while whipping Justin DeKelly. I'll make you see a burlesque show with Nick Crow.
And take a bow with speeds to hitting cruise control. J-Man, Big Paul, and the booze of June.

Speaker 2 Wanna tell you from the move all the way to the room. Ran the game to street fighter, help to blow off steam.
Just to suck a punch to on life for Tiffany Bring.

Speaker 2 Shock for the third demon, Cowboy staying alive. They call me when they're badass and he's on the line.
Cranking 80 minutes cause they cool as ice. Cause the bad Jim Barney looking kind at nice.

Speaker 2 All his jewels getting liberal. Jason is getting late.
Don't let us make a show. All the monkey shots in the pain.
There's just a bunch of movies while we making the grave.

Speaker 2 Here's a real question for you. How did this get pain?

Speaker 2 Hello, people of earth. Hello, people of Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 We are live at Largo, our LA home.

Speaker 2 A home where musical theater reigns supreme.

Speaker 2 Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking about

Speaker 2 a musical that makes you think that Katz is genius.

Speaker 2 Truly watching this, I had so many thoughts, and we're going to get into those thoughts. But if you did not see Diana, the musical on Broadway or Netflix, they're the same.

Speaker 2 With the exception of a couple weird camera angles that are so jarring to make the audience very unnerved.

Speaker 2 What do you need to know? Well,

Speaker 2 imagine a very creative sixth or seventh grader who decided to do a report on Princess Diana and said, I'm going to make my book report different.

Speaker 2 I'll make it one where I sing. That's all you need to know.
So it is about that level. It covers the entire life of Diana, or at least from 19 till the end.
And wow,

Speaker 2 they

Speaker 2 merge some shit together in ways that are shocking. I think she has two babies in the same song.

Speaker 2 But again,

Speaker 2 there's so much to get into, and there are two great people to talk about it with. Please welcome to the stage, my co-host, Jason Manzukas.

Speaker 2 what's up jerks

Speaker 2 wow

Speaker 2 wow

Speaker 2 show of hands or clapping who is here for stone cold

Speaker 2 why are we being punished

Speaker 2 We saw greatness

Speaker 2 and then you give us this

Speaker 2 this movie movie is a war crime

Speaker 2 Jason take this movie to the Hague

Speaker 2 This

Speaker 2 musical

Speaker 2 Adaptation of a Broadway stage show is a war crime

Speaker 2 I know you love never mind never mind failed ones

Speaker 2 This this is I looked it up. I looked it up a Wikipedia entry set to song

Speaker 2 That's all it is. That's it now.
I'm here doing this. Uh oh spaghetti hos.
What? What is this movie? References.

Speaker 2 This was pulled from this novel.

Speaker 2 Every

Speaker 2 footnotes. Footnote.
Ibid.

Speaker 2 Ibid.

Speaker 2 This is clearly the British Hamilton. I will not take no for an answer about it.
By the way, I wouldn't believe that. I would believe if you told me that the UK had embraced this and it was

Speaker 2 the biggest musical there, I would be like, those fucking idiots.

Speaker 2 The UK even said, fuck this musical. But anyway, there's one person who has seen this musical not once, but twice.

Speaker 2 She's my other co-host. Please welcome June Diane Rapio.

Speaker 2 How are you, June?

Speaker 3 I'm okay. How are you, Paul?

Speaker 2 I'm well. Thank you for asking.
June. Twice?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I saw it once. I saw the whole thing.

Speaker 2 In the theater?

Speaker 3 No. I saw the motion picture question mark.

Speaker 2 It's a movie.

Speaker 3 Is it? I will actually want to get into that in a second.

Speaker 2 It shouldn't be defined as a movie.

Speaker 3 It's more of like a presentation.

Speaker 2 Yes. I'm telling you, it is a book report set to music.
Like if a sixth grade kid did this, you'd be like, whoa, you are, you, if you went to school, you might have something.

Speaker 2 I don't know the name of any of the actors in it. They're all doing their absolute best.
Absolute best. But if you told me this was filmed by their parents,

Speaker 2 I would believe you. If you told me this was filmed by the actors' parents, being like, great job, hon,

Speaker 2 I would believe you because this felt like absolute nonsense and like a high school production.

Speaker 3 I'm gonna report from my second viewing right now. Okay, so now I have now I'm wearing the hat of someone who's seen it twice.

Speaker 3 And I gotta tell you guys, because I bet everybody just saw it once.

Speaker 2 Well, I have heard internet rumors that if you see it twice, it leads to madness.

Speaker 3 I didn't see the whole thing twice, but I watched it once and then I was getting ready.

Speaker 3 I was getting ready and I thought,

Speaker 2 I'm going to put it back on.

Speaker 3 And I put it back on and I genuinely started to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 So I don't know.

Speaker 2 By the way, June, tell people the, the, like, how long it took from viewing one to viewing two.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 3 probably about four hours.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, whoa, whoa. Oh, I thought you meant like you saw it weeks ago.
No, no, no, no. No, today.

Speaker 2 This is...

Speaker 2 Today. This is wild.
This is. I suspect.

Speaker 2 I suspect that we could have you legally institutionalized.

Speaker 2 We could 51. This is an important piece of right now.
This is an important piece of information. The first viewing.

Speaker 2 Cry for help.

Speaker 2 If there's a medical professional, a mental health professional in the house.

Speaker 3 The first viewing, I saw it in my sauna bed. So that's always gonna,

Speaker 2 that's always gonna affect things because i'm sweating profusely and i'm a little out of it

Speaker 2 this would be what you would see in like a waking dream like the yeah so it has like coming and going and then in the light of day showered i've eaten something i i i worked out and i was like let's put it on again and i think we should damn it i think we should start doing live shows on stage in sauna beds

Speaker 2 in standing sauna beds just to see how the heat affects the viewing. We should be watching movies in sauna beds and then doing the podcast in sauna.

Speaker 2 Or we could also have the audience in sauna.

Speaker 2 If we could get a sauna bed to

Speaker 3 pump the heat up right now.

Speaker 2 Let's hot yoga this place. This is good.
I wanted to announce we are doing

Speaker 2 a special show in Sedona. It's going to be 140 degrees in the room.

Speaker 2 You all have to be in Downward Dog the entire time. The musical starts off weird because the first song,

Speaker 2 the term underestimated is said a lot. And I was like, that is a hard term to make like your lead thesis statement.
Whoa. Like, you're open.
It's like, duh, I'm underestimated.

Speaker 3 And I didn't know where we were finding her in that first number. Like, and I, you know, I thought the actors did just a fine job.
But before we even get into the movie,

Speaker 3 where I'm stuck is just on the why.

Speaker 2 I love that. Yeah.
I don't want to get that. I love that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I also would, I'm going to ask you right now. You just watched it twice today.
Yes. I watched it today.
How many people here watched it today?

Speaker 2 Okay. So that's a good bit.
Let's all

Speaker 2 clap it.

Speaker 2 Let's all decide we're going to clap, not raise hands. Because you're fucking up the system.

Speaker 2 Some of you are clapping. Some of you are raising your hands.
Get it together. Choose as an audience before you come in.

Speaker 2 Okay, now, could anybody right now sing one of the songs?

Speaker 2 Someone can.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, really? All right, hold on. Do you have some sort of relationship to it?

Speaker 2 No. Okay, great.
Stand up. Stand up right now.
Everyone, be as quiet as you can. Everybody, shut your fucking mouths.
Don't come. You don't have to come in.
No notes. No notes.
You stay there.

Speaker 2 I'll hold the mic towards you. Pretty, pretty girl.

Speaker 3 Pretty, pretty girl in a pretty, pretty dress.

Speaker 2 I hope the songs are well done.

Speaker 2 That was great.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm going to be honest. That person made me look like a grade A asshole.
Yep.

Speaker 2 So fuck you. Michael take him out.

Speaker 2 But my point was going to be how unmemorable every song was. The only song I truly remember is the fuck you dress.
The fuckity, fuckity, fuckity. Because it's so crazy.

Speaker 2 But that's not, all all you remember is that little bit of wordplay right you don't remember the song no but that's what i'm saying these songs are complicated they are like underestimated it's like i'm not like i can't like just gravitate to that i tried to listen to it on spotify on the way here why

Speaker 2 again i why were you trying to drive into oncoming traffic

Speaker 2 Well, here's my like there it there should be a trigger warning in front of this

Speaker 2 because it might cause such desolation and despair.

Speaker 2 This is what I wanted to ask, because I think it goes hand in hand with what you are asking, which is pretend we know nothing about

Speaker 2 the princess at all. We don't know anything about Diana.
Does this musical work to let you know who she was? And I think no.

Speaker 2 Or it gives you a very warped idea of who she is because she seems at points to be incredibly vindictive, then at points to be like a child, then at points to be

Speaker 2 this movie's protagonist like what is the point of you

Speaker 3 romance novelist barbara yo

Speaker 2 i love barbara is that barbara corcoran

Speaker 2 from shark tank when she when barbara corcoran comes back on h and on hgtv when barbara corcoran comes back when she comes back an hour in to the play and like oh and now that's what's going on wait where were you you're the narrator

Speaker 3 And that's actually like, this is again, I still haven't gotten an answer on just why.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 what could have been a cool device to actually tell the story as a romance novel, or when Barbara's introduced, to have the whole stage turn into like this crazy romance novel that she's describing, but there's none of that happens.

Speaker 2 Or have her be the narrator.

Speaker 3 Or have her tell the story from start to finish.

Speaker 2 An overarching structure that is this story is being told to someone to do.

Speaker 2 We do it with like our town, but Jason Statham is like, hey, listen up, governor. Back when I was a kid, there was this crazy dame.
And here's a story I'm going to tell you right now.

Speaker 2 You know, something like that. I would like you to film those pieces and somebody edit them in.

Speaker 2 Boy that.

Speaker 2 Now, she don't talk like that, does she? But I'll tell you.

Speaker 3 Back to my original question though, Paul. So there's Diana the Musical, which was on Broadway?

Speaker 2 Well, yes, it was on Broadway. I can tell you the hat was on Broadway.
Yes. It's a bullet to record it without an audience.

Speaker 2 For how long? Well, I mean, we can get into it. Hold on.

Speaker 2 It's got to be like, if it ran more than a month,

Speaker 2 I'll give you $10,000.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 I know Nate Kylie did our research, and I know that there is a couple of things here, which they were just about to open, and then COVID shut it down. So they were like, oh, let's take that.

Speaker 3 Another pandemic loss.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then we lost so many.

Speaker 2 And then when COVID subsided a little bit and Broadway came back, it reopened and no one came. And then it shut down.
Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 As it should.

Speaker 3 The show is not successful. And then Netflix says, let's put cameras on it.

Speaker 2 No, the show is about to open. And I think that's the same thing.

Speaker 2 They thought they were going to get in on the ground floor. I think they were like, this will be our Hamilton the same way that they released Hamilton,

Speaker 2 you know, the live stage version of it, Disney moved it up. So I think they were like, well, this cast is ready to go if we do it COVID safe with no audience.

Speaker 3 But this is what I don't understand because

Speaker 3 there are musicals that they do film. So, and you sometimes, when you're outside of the theater, there's a little TV and they play clips from the musical.

Speaker 3 And those clips actually have some energy behind them. I mean, still not the show, but it's like you can feel something happening.

Speaker 2 There's an audience for most of the time.

Speaker 3 There is an audience for,

Speaker 3 I don't know because the cameras are close but it just feels like they're performing for an audience and it feels like there's an energy to the performance and this

Speaker 2 was so odd it is felt like

Speaker 2 this felt like an industrial yes it felt like an industrial musical it did not it felt like like i said a wikipedia entry set to music it was it was without um emotionality for an emotion such an emotional story It was everything, everybody's delivery was flat, and it was just, we're here to sing the plot.

Speaker 2 But that's it.

Speaker 2 You're going to get it joylessly. But I also feel like they did Diana dirty because dirty Diana? Dirty Diana.

Speaker 2 Like, by the way, I did not see that coming when I said that.

Speaker 2 I was shocked by that. I will tell you who I liked.
I will tell you who I liked

Speaker 2 Camilla Parker Bowles. Okay.
Yeah. She is

Speaker 2 I love that they introduce her, and Charles is basically like, you're ugly.

Speaker 2 And I didn't mean it like that.

Speaker 2 It was like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 3 And he had, listen, I thought she was good. It's always going to be hard for me to get on board with Camilla.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 2 Why is it hard, Jim?

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 my understanding of it is pretty base.

Speaker 2 I haven't watched The Crown. I didn't see, you know, the

Speaker 3 I didn't see. Have you heard the tapes?

Speaker 2 No. Oh, what tapes?

Speaker 3 The Diana tapes. Did you guys watch this movie?

Speaker 2 I watched it in this movie, but here's what I'll say. I know

Speaker 2 astonishingly little about this story.

Speaker 2 I know a couple of people. Because I've seen so much in the game.

Speaker 3 And that's hard because now after seeing this, I feel like you know less.

Speaker 2 Yes. Well, that's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3 I'm sure there are others here who know more about like the truth and can dramaturge this story better than I can, but

Speaker 3 well,

Speaker 3 I did not know, or it was new information to me that Camilla kind of arranged the marriage. That was what I thought was so.
I'd never heard that before, but maybe that

Speaker 3 is true.

Speaker 2 That is true. Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No.
Here's

Speaker 2 a little bit, there was about a 50-25 there. 50%.
Yes, yes. You know what?

Speaker 3 Listen, you know what I heard for the first time? As though it was brand new information,

Speaker 3 I had never taken in the fact that Diana was 19 and he was 32. Yes, that I heard.

Speaker 2 She was a virgin, which I also didn't know. Yeah.
Like a teenager. She was a teenager.

Speaker 2 And she had pictures of him on her wall, and that felt not true to me. But I guess, because, like, are she longing after this man?

Speaker 3 He's royalty, and he was the prince, and he's

Speaker 3 definitely, he was always an odd-looking guy, but he was the prince.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do think she loved him.

Speaker 2 I did not know, and maybe this would have, maybe this is part of if I'd watched the crown or something like that. I did not know that her sister had dated him prior.
That's how she met her.

Speaker 2 And it seems to me to be like the sisters seemed to be fully dialed in on the bullshit of the situation. Yeah.
And I was a little bit like, hey, like, protect Diana, older sister.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, listen, I think,

Speaker 3 I think that, and we've seen it with Megan Markle, the family members are also so excited that the royals are coming to

Speaker 3 dinner, you know, that they overlook a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 2 The idea was just suck it up because you are going to be, and that's what the message of the, I mean, it gets

Speaker 2 going quick. I mean, this movie is an hour and 57 minutes.
They got to cover a life. And like I said, they are compacting a lot of stuff in there because you're meeting Camilla.

Speaker 2 They're on their first date. She's in the dress.
And by the way, the costume changes A.

Speaker 2 But the one thing I knew, the only thing that I was doing.

Speaker 3 By the way, I do want to direct everyone to an incredible performance by the woman who directed Promising Young Woman who's Camilla in the Crown. Yes.
And that scene, that

Speaker 3 you should watch that because there's a scene between Camilla and Diana in the Crown that's one of the best scenes on TV. So there are other.

Speaker 2 Like, are you telling me it's better than this musical number between the face of the final face-off when the let's take a look?

Speaker 2 Can you stop for a second? What this is a this is a ripping off another song. What song?

Speaker 2 Paradise by the dashboard lights, right? It's from the beginning to end. It's like, I'm gonna stop right now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's the mean, but it's not the same yet.

Speaker 2 It's not

Speaker 2 Can you pause for a second? I gotta say this with choreography

Speaker 2 One afternoon they showed up and we're like today we're gonna do next stuff

Speaker 2 Whoever choreographed this musical

Speaker 2 was into doing aggressive shoulder work. The bell hops had aggressive shoulders.
The buys, everyone's popping that shoulder.

Speaker 2 They're popping that shoulder like they popped those flash bulbs on top of those old-timey cameras, which, I mean, I also feel like that shows like how weirdly dated it was too. These

Speaker 2 paparazzi in the trench coats running around like a Batman Commissioner Gordon, like, hey, snap.

Speaker 2 crackle pop you know whatever the fuck they were saying i would like it if it was snap crackle pop honestly but there were these moments and the thing that falls so flat.

Speaker 2 And I just go back to what you were saying, Gina, about the emptiness of it. They are performing the hell out of it.
I think they're doing the best of the material that they have.

Speaker 2 Oh, they're giving it their all. They don't change a fucking word.
And there are like Broadway laugh lines.

Speaker 2 And I mean that in the sense of, if you ever see a Broadway show, they're like dumb, fucking dumb jokes, but they know this will work. And it's like Duran Duran.
And they hold. Duran Duran Duran.

Speaker 2 Duran Duran Duran. And they hold like for laugh, but it's just.

Speaker 3 You're right, they do hold for laughs.

Speaker 2 deadly silent, and they do it three times. Like, no one said, like, you know what, just speed through those chips because there's no laughter coming.
And there, and that was unnerving to me.

Speaker 2 But why wouldn't the kids say?

Speaker 3 So you weren't laughing during those little breaks?

Speaker 2 I was like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

Speaker 2 June, that might have just been the delirium of the sauna bed.

Speaker 2 Probably.

Speaker 2 I wrote down so many lyrics that now I'm like, why?

Speaker 2 Where the prince prince could hear some prince and we'd all be funkadelic.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 obsession with Princess Di and pop music.

Speaker 2 Now, the one thing I knew, the one thing I was very familiar with, and tell me if I'm right or wrong, you may or may not know this, was didn't Princess Diana perform Uptown Girl at, okay, so, but in the musical, she does a ballet number.

Speaker 2 The whole thing is about her loving pop music, and at that one point, it's like, well, we can't get the rights of Billy Joel, so we're going to make her fucking dance ballet.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't, I think both things happened.

Speaker 2 Both things happened. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 So she danced

Speaker 2 a ballet to Uptown Rolls. There was a big deal about her.

Speaker 3 Like, she offered that to him as a birthday gift, that that was going to be

Speaker 2 Marilyn Monroe kind of.

Speaker 3 Yes, and it fell really flat.

Speaker 2 He's such a dick.

Speaker 2 I fucking hate him. I'll say this.

Speaker 2 I'll say this.

Speaker 2 I found it to be charming in the musical, though. This gets to like the whole point of the musical.

Speaker 2 It's enough.

Speaker 2 For me, the whole musical really just, to me, feels like, I don't understand why we even want to watch the royals. This is, these are, this is a play about villains,

Speaker 2 right? This is a play about the monarchy, who are unquestionably villains, right? And we are asked over and over again to root for them

Speaker 2 or believe believe that they are all trying to do their best when this play should be about villains acting villainous, right?

Speaker 2 But instead, everybody's like, I'm just doing the best I can, trying to raise these boys.

Speaker 3 Well, that's why I think it was, it was not, it was troubling to have Camilla, I know you loved her so much, Paul, but to have her

Speaker 3 be so sympathetic because

Speaker 3 it doesn't work for the story.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing, Royals. I don't give a fuck if you don't get to have your Sundays back.
Yeah. You fucks.
But here,

Speaker 2 to my point, is from the moment the play starts, musical, play, movie, whatever you want to call it, it's all,

Speaker 2 they tell you, Royals are bad, this is bad, it's going to end bad. And I think from a story perspective, that's not the best way.
Like,

Speaker 2 I would have liked to at least, like, I feel like everyone's warning her so i feel like princess diana comes off really dumb or vindictive i come off i like princess diana and i come off from here going like well she's kind of like well she's fucking that guy first right or she's fucking him and then she's like going in there and she's like do you want to dance with me and then i'm like where's she at i'll tell you where she's at i i

Speaker 2 have issues with the movie too

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 3 but Charles was having an affair with Camilla before they were married.

Speaker 2 And that continued throughout.

Speaker 2 But then she starts.

Speaker 3 Yes, she does. Yes.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 But he never stopped.

Speaker 3 Never stopped, not a once. And it was a loveless marriage, and he was so punishing toward her and humiliated her over and over.

Speaker 2 Well, he did that fun dance.

Speaker 2 You know, when they got, I mean, look at this. You know, like, you say all this bad stuff about him, but then all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 But we're asked in the musical over and over again to root for he and Camilla to be together. Well, but

Speaker 2 for this guy who, when the cello comes out and it gets funky,

Speaker 2 he can dance.

Speaker 2 They had to rehearse this. This is insane.
I'm proud about this.

Speaker 2 For weeks they rehearsed this. They went home to their loved ones at night and said, it's bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's bad. I'm fucked and I know so much choreography.

Speaker 2 What is so crazy about this?

Speaker 2 They worked so

Speaker 2 hard. The choreography is

Speaker 2 very

Speaker 2 great, but what I was guessing is they're not even parodying dance moves that we know. At least when you see that scene in pulp fiction, you're like, oh, I recognize these dance moves.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, Paul, I'm going to interrupt you. These are famous British dance moves.

Speaker 2 These motherfuckers can't do that. You do the lift.
You do the lift. Then you do the tames.
And then you come over here. You do the...

Speaker 2 you do the tames

Speaker 2 oy then

Speaker 2 you do the tames you do the tames that they and I want to stress this because

Speaker 2 if in case listeners perhaps didn't watch the movie the the the uh the actors and the performers the dancers the entire company is really doing the equivalent of a broad it is it's a Broadway show and it is executed flawlessly it is terrible.

Speaker 2 But when you really think about it, they put months of work in

Speaker 2 months of work every day, rehearsing, learning choreography. The choreographers designing choreography all for

Speaker 2 this.

Speaker 2 I know. It will live forever on Netflix.
It will live forever on Broadway.

Speaker 3 You know, these, all of these people were in the shower like before they had to go in. Like,

Speaker 2 I'm going to say, yeah,

Speaker 2 I'll say this. Eight

Speaker 2 shows a week.

Speaker 2 Eight shows a week. I don't think they even got that much.
No, but what if you had to do that for eight shows?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know.
That is.

Speaker 2 I interrupted you. So I was saying I was falling in love with this

Speaker 2 Prince Charles.

Speaker 3 This Charles is in a fantasy sequence.

Speaker 2 This isn't Charles. So she never played the cello like a piano?

Speaker 2 And she didn't want everyone to be cool and be like a rock star? Because what I'm getting from this is like, I'm getting Princess Diana is Hannah Montana. And she's

Speaker 2 just, I'm married a real stick in the mud. Well, the aspirational song is

Speaker 2 the song where she gets access to couture.

Speaker 2 You know, the difference is I'm throwing away the old clothes and I'm choosing my own clothes, right?

Speaker 2 And that is the song that is like, now I am.

Speaker 2 Well, I read that differently.

Speaker 3 I think that song is more, I now understand how the,

Speaker 3 that I'm a commodity here. So I understand that I'm the most photographed woman in the world.
And so I'm going to, she starts playing into it more.

Speaker 2 But then when she goes to the AIDS ward, which happens in the musical,

Speaker 2 it seems like she's doing that as like a move of revenge. But I guess she

Speaker 3 has so much to learn about her.

Speaker 2 No, I think

Speaker 2 it's a lot of fun. I am learning it from the musical.
I think that was meant to be humanitarian.

Speaker 2 I know humanitarian. But the way that I'm not saying

Speaker 2 I'm not saying

Speaker 2 what I just want to draw the line here because I want to make sure that I'm clear. I understand how it was done in real life.

Speaker 2 I think the musical does her a disservice because it's positioned like that in the musical. Like, huh, what can I do to really piss them off? I'll go to the AIDS ward and shake their hands.

Speaker 2 Like, that's what it feels real petulant to me.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying that that's who she is. I'm saying this musical doesn't do a good job.
It's different.

Speaker 3 And the reason why you have your reading and I have my reading is that I know her.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 I'm not looking for

Speaker 2 failure as a piece of art if you need to know.

Speaker 3 I don't disagree. But I mean,

Speaker 3 the question you have to ask yourself is, why don't you know her better?

Speaker 2 I watched the royal wedding. I saw it live.
And then, you know what I'm saying? When you were three years ago,

Speaker 2 when you were three years old? It was a very big thing in my house, the royal wedding. I remember it.
I remember it as a very, I remember sitting in front of the TV watching. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was a very big thing. My mom was a very big

Speaker 2 Princess Die fan. It was a very big thing in my house.
Yeah. And so that was like, but I don't get involved in their business.
I let them do it.

Speaker 3 So we don't have you to blame for her death.

Speaker 2 But I do, no, but I do

Speaker 2 want to read that book that they, well, now that was the other thing. Because in the, okay, again, a thing where I'm confused.

Speaker 2 In the musical, she goes, I'm calling up this gossip reporter we've never heard of before, and I guess we're all supposed to know.

Speaker 2 And she's like, I'm going to tell you everything, but he has to be anonymous. And then the book comes out, and it's like, Princess died in her own words.
I'm like, well, wait, when did that happen?

Speaker 2 Where is the switch? Why didn't we, why,

Speaker 2 are we supposed to know this other story? That, like, why did he sell her out? Is she mad?

Speaker 3 I don't know all those details, but I think, I do think the music.

Speaker 2 I don't know all those details.

Speaker 3 I do think the music on the storytelling assumes. Now, this isn't my Diana, you know, and so I.

Speaker 2 Your Diana isn't the one who says, I'm no intellect. Maybe there's a cool discotech where Prince

Speaker 2 some prince, and then we'd all get funkadelic, then don't create a scene. You're auditioning to be his queen.
No. Pet shop boys, come on, come on.
Make some noise, give it up for Adam Ant.

Speaker 2 Where are you, Diana, huh?

Speaker 2 I feel as though,

Speaker 2 and even though I just have said how much work went into this and all of that, it felt to me on a level of a group of very good improvisational singers arrived at the theater and said, can we get a suggestion?

Speaker 2 Someone said, Princess Diana.

Speaker 2 And this is what they did. And by the way, if I saw this

Speaker 2 in the circumstances, I'd be like, they're geniuses. And I'd be like, everyone, go see them.
They are amazing. It can blow your mind.

Speaker 2 If you've ever seen Improvised Shakespeare, they're like them, but they do it to musicals. It was amazing.

Speaker 2 See, I took it as someone told them,

Speaker 2 you have exactly one hour and 57 minutes to tell every detail about this woman's life. Go.

Speaker 2 Give nothing weight.

Speaker 2 Because they really do have to. You got to just get to the next thing.

Speaker 2 I said it before. She has two babies in one song.

Speaker 3 And the trouble

Speaker 3 creating musical around this is also we know the ending.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't, do you all know what happened to her?

Speaker 2 I did. I was surprised.
I was surprised.

Speaker 2 I did know. I did know the ending.

Speaker 2 I did know the ending.

Speaker 2 I actually looked it up afterwards that that's not Diana.

Speaker 3 When we already know where she's headed, it's hard to ever feel that.

Speaker 3 you know, this is a hero's journey and that she's going to get redemption because we ultimately know that they killed her.

Speaker 2 Well, not only that, but here is to me the true offense of all of this, which is, yes,

Speaker 2 it is the story of Diana, theoretically, right? But it is so respectful of the royal family, who again are villains, so much so that the final word of the musical is given to Charles. Yes.

Speaker 2 I was like, shame on you. Well, that

Speaker 2 shame on you. You just do that.

Speaker 2 Now, this is where I'll get you back on my side i found the end to be terrible because i felt like all of a sudden these people who were treated her like shit are the ones like going like ah so sad so sad it's like your phone you did that they have no they have no they should end with them in prison or

Speaker 2 and all of the land that they hold given back to the people or what are we doing

Speaker 3 I mean, listen, I do think the Royals, I mean, they essentially function as a tourist attraction now.

Speaker 2 But they own all the Royals.

Speaker 3 They do,

Speaker 3 but there is a sense, I mean,

Speaker 3 I don't know, is anyone British here? And would you care to speak on the Royals? But it does feel like there's just a tourism economy that's

Speaker 2 British.

Speaker 2 What you want to know?

Speaker 2 I'm shocked you don't get more jobs with that accent.

Speaker 2 That crazy bag go punching mirrors all the time.

Speaker 2 Oh, Paul, I just got a text. Guy Richie needs to talk to you.
Oh, wow. All right.

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Speaker 3 I gotta go back though to

Speaker 3 when someone made the call to put cameras on this.

Speaker 3 Like, I still need to understand a little bit more. So it's barely up for a week, and they anticipate, like, this is.

Speaker 2 My guess is this is because Hamilton sold for so much money in success. By the way, this is such a take.
They were like,

Speaker 2 I think they were like, let's get in before.

Speaker 2 Let's license this before it becomes obviously a mega hit. We'll get it cheap rather than bidding on it later when it's all bigger.
Because Hamilton, what was it? It sold for $65 million.

Speaker 2 Just that, just the something crazy. Yeah, it was a huge hit.

Speaker 2 My guess is they saw that and were like, oh, we can get in on the before this even blows. Netflix knows exactly what they're doing.

Speaker 2 They're like, we got the crown, and now we're going to give you like, you need another season. We got to edit that shit.
So watch this, you dummies. And I'm sure so many people watch.

Speaker 3 Oh, you know, your mom watched this.

Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
And I'm going to tell you, people watched it and they fucking loved it. Like, I don't think this is like, because again, it's Netflix.
You didn't go to the theater.

Speaker 2 There's no expectation. You're like, that was cute.
Out of curiosity.

Speaker 2 Out of curiosity, for those of you who watched it in the audience, like

Speaker 2 how many of you were shocked to find out that this was a filmed live performance? I thought I was going to be watching like cats.

Speaker 2 I was shocked that

Speaker 2 now we've just decided on small small clips?

Speaker 3 I just raised my hand.

Speaker 2 This audience is not giving it up.

Speaker 2 I don't know what you guys.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I think I hate you. I just assumed.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I assumed there was this Diana the musical.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it was a movie. Yes.

Speaker 2 I also was shocked that it was a film state adaptation. I thought it was going to be a musical film.
I will tell you that if you think about it, like The Crown is out.

Speaker 2 You have that movie Spencer, which is, you know, which is out and getting award acclaim. And then this, like, this.

Speaker 3 And also Diana the Tapes. And Diana.

Speaker 2 Oh, wait, what's Diana the Tapes?

Speaker 3 If you head on to Netflix, there's another docuseries called Diana the Tapes.

Speaker 2 So Netflix is just kind of cornering the market of Diana

Speaker 3 stuff.

Speaker 2 So if you want to sell a show right now, it sounds like putting Diana in is a showfighter at Netflix.

Speaker 2 Fascinating. I mean, I will say that, you know, what I was surprised at was the person who

Speaker 2 wrote it for the stage,

Speaker 2 he did write Toxic Avenger the musical, which is the Troma film, Toxic Avenger. So he did come from that.

Speaker 2 But also, he was the keyboard player for Bon Jovi. He was the composer.

Speaker 2 His name is David Bryan. And yeah, so these guys, I think, had, they also wrote this.
Because I was going to say, it had like real

Speaker 2 rock and roll music vibes. Yes.

Speaker 2 You know, which surprised me also that I was like, oh, this is way more like electric guitar forward than I would have thought for a but it didn't feel like it continued throughout the whole thing.

Speaker 2 No, it was a mess. But these guys, these guys who work together, the other one is Joe DiPetro, they wrote this other thing.

Speaker 2 If you're in New York City, I know that you probably both know what I'm going to talk about. Is I Love You, You're Perfect Now Change.
Of course. That was what they wrote before this.

Speaker 2 So I think they come from a more comedy background. So it's like Toxic Avenger, I love you, You're perfect.
Now change. And Diana, the musical.
One of those things doesn't really fit.

Speaker 2 Like, I could see the funny version. Well, I guess I don't know what the funny version is, but

Speaker 2 I guess like there's a part of me that's like, let's pitch it out though.

Speaker 2 What is the fun? You know what I mean? Well, I think player is

Speaker 2 a little funny version. I do, like, this is the funny version right here.

Speaker 3 Officer Hewitt, I hear you offer lessons.

Speaker 5 There's only one type of lesson I offer.

Speaker 2 Riding lessons. Boom.
Oh, oh, oh, James Hewitt.

Speaker 5 Oh, I assume your husband gives you riding lessons.

Speaker 3 He's tried, he's not very good.

Speaker 3 Oh, oh, oh, you, Concern! Or perhaps he just doesn't have the proper horse. And do you have the proper horse?

Speaker 5 Your Royal Highness? I think you'd adore my horse.

Speaker 2 Oh, all right, all right.

Speaker 3 I just made up those bits of dialogue. But aren't they delicious?

Speaker 2 They are.

Speaker 2 No response. Zero response.
But that should be our window character. But by the way,

Speaker 2 by the way, I think I do a better British accent than she does.

Speaker 2 But I will say this. Why stop the musical to say, I made that up? So you're telling me the rest is all transcripts? You tell me the rest is letter perfect to what actually happened? That fucked me up.

Speaker 2 It was like, all right, we went too far here.

Speaker 2 The rest. The rest of the shit we're playing

Speaker 2 Yeah, just there. But everything else.
Everything else, perfect. Like, truly document, like Ken Burns before this.
I got in and I got a little silly. But that was like.

Speaker 2 When this happened, when James Hewitt arrived, and I was like, okay, okay, got it, got it.

Speaker 2 I did that thing where I'm like, okay, this has got to be like,

Speaker 2 we're getting to the end here. One hour left.
I had a panic attack. Yeah.
Because I was already already feeling unwell. Yeah.
From what I'd watched so far. To have one,

Speaker 2 to click on that status bar and see that you have one hour left in this abject nightmare escape

Speaker 2 was quite long.

Speaker 3 Now, is James Hewitt the one that there are rumors is Harry's father? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because he looks like Harry.

Speaker 3 Just like him.

Speaker 2 And then, I mean, here they're like, he looks like Hugh Grant, though. Here they give him Hugh Grant floppy hair.
And James Hewitt wrote a book about Diana too and he was kind of really out.

Speaker 2 I did a little deep dive on James Hewitt because I was like, who is this hunky dude? And

Speaker 2 he seems to have had a rough go of it afterwards because he wrote a tell-all novel. He feels very badly about it.
It looks like it took a total. A tell-all novel? All right.

Speaker 2 Well, he took some liberties. Fictionalized it.

Speaker 2 Tell-all book.

Speaker 2 It's telling everything,

Speaker 2 but it's fiction.

Speaker 2 It's like primary colors, the book.

Speaker 2 But yeah, there was something really interesting about it. I mean, oh boy, I have so many questions about Diana and Hua because I also felt like they had a good thing, but did she not really like him?

Speaker 3 I think she, I don't know, obviously, but I think that she's on the tapes.

Speaker 2 It's so hard. It's so hard to get access to what really happened when this is your only.
When this is happening,

Speaker 3 I'm trying to remember from the tapes. I think that I do think she loved Charles and that,

Speaker 3 no, she didn't necessarily want a life with James Hewitt, but she wanted out of that marriage.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 But in the play, she often says, like, I have been through divorce and I know that I'm not having that happen again.

Speaker 2 She talks about divorce as if. I've murdered someone and I will never murder anyone ever.

Speaker 2 I'm like, wow,

Speaker 2 you're really upset about divorce.

Speaker 2 But she, like, she really has, like that like I just think that all of her

Speaker 2 like she's getting out of bed she's really happy with James Hewitt and then she's going talk to Charles and she's like hey what's up and he's like hey leave me alone and I'm like I don't know where you're at I don't know where you're at I thought you were happy

Speaker 2 you really weren't didn't have access to the interiority of this character

Speaker 2 but here's what I will tell you I turned it on. I saw an hour and 57 minutes.
I was like, you know what I'll do? I'll watch 30 minutes tonight. I'll watch 30 minutes tomorrow.
And then I'll finish

Speaker 2 before the show. I couldn't turn it off.

Speaker 2 Couldn't turn it off. And then when I saw it was like 20 minutes left, I was like, well, I could finish it tomorrow.
It's one in the morning. I'm like, I can't.
I got to finish it now. I understand.

Speaker 2 And then when the credits started rolling, I was like, maybe there's a post-credit scene. And there was.

Speaker 2 And there was. There was? Yeah, it shows them rehearsing with the fucking mask piece on and stuff.

Speaker 3 I just play it. I never saw it.

Speaker 2 Oh, I didn't see that. No, yeah.
It's like, I didn't see that. See, I watched it the exact opposite way.
I was like, I was in a full flop sweat 20 minutes in.

Speaker 3 Not in a sauna bed.

Speaker 2 Not in a sauna bed, I wish. I was like, I can't handle this.
I'm not well. This makes me feel not safe.
This makes, I don't, I don't like, I don't like any of what's happening.

Speaker 2 I don't like, I don't like musicals. Never mind one that is this catastrophically bad.
Paul, I feel like you're showing the audience too much.

Speaker 2 I went too quick.

Speaker 3 Okay, something really scary happened on our Netflix account, and I think we deleted it, but all of a sudden another profile was there.

Speaker 2 Whoa!

Speaker 2 Probably because of things like this.

Speaker 2 By the way, I think we just found out how that happened.

Speaker 3 It was really spooky, and someone had been watching things.

Speaker 2 Anything good? I don't remember. Maybe they were trying to recommend good stuff.

Speaker 3 It felt like a teenager, and I was like, oh, is there a babysitter or someone who...

Speaker 2 If it's... If it's a hardening interruption, this tile is not available to watch right now.
Why not? Oh, there it is. All right, let's listen.
Oh, maybe

Speaker 2 it's playing at our house at the same time.

Speaker 3 Oh, it is.

Speaker 3 It's on in the bedroom.

Speaker 2 Oh.

Speaker 2 I forgot to turn it off.

Speaker 2 It's on?

Speaker 2 You just keep it. You keep it going?

Speaker 3 I paused it. I paused it.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think some of this play can be summed up. I do have one note.
Open it in an income. Oh, no, you do it won't work.
It won't work for you.

Speaker 2 I was going to say, I have one note here for myself that I just wrote down, which is musicals are hard.

Speaker 2 But I will say that. But these actors make it look good.

Speaker 2 I want to, again, say

Speaker 2 they're doing

Speaker 2 a great job with truly catastrophically bad material.

Speaker 2 The set design, the costume changes, and even though there was a lot of aggressive shoulder movement, the choreography was pretty much on point. Like they were really...

Speaker 2 I don't think the choreography was great. But they were in sync.
I beg to discuss.

Speaker 3 I'm going to say something else, Paul, which is I thought the costumes were terrible. I thought the set was terrible.

Speaker 2 I thought the

Speaker 2 reaction was terrible. Really? Yeah.
It was.

Speaker 2 But they're doing their best. Like, again, the performers are.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're talking about quick changes. This is not a movie.
That's why I'm saying, like, if you're doing this on stage eight nights a week, like, and you're covering eight nights a week?

Speaker 2 Paul, you know. Eight shows a week.
Eight shows a week.

Speaker 2 Eight shows a week.

Speaker 3 But you don't go to a musical to be taken away by the quickness of the costume changes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you understand. I'm lost in this story.

Speaker 2 Are you telling me? Jude, are you telling me that when you go see Oklahoma, you're like, oh, it doesn't look like a fucking real farm? I know it's not a real farm. I gotta suspend disbelief.

Speaker 2 That's fucking ampals. I see a fucking gate.
There's a bed. I don't need to see the four walls.
I'm watching Flashes. We gotta give it up for a suspension of disbelief.

Speaker 3 I thought the stage design, what, and I, I'm not gonna say I'm an expert in this area, but I do feel.

Speaker 2 That's what what you majored in in college.

Speaker 3 I do feel, I know a couple of stage designers. I do feel

Speaker 3 Eve Feinberg, someone I went to high school with.

Speaker 2 Get them on the phone.

Speaker 3 And so I really do appreciate stage design in plays, and I thought this was terrible.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You didn't like the long table.
When they all took that long table, it went from a bar to...

Speaker 2 a back bar it was like it was a straight bar into a boxing ring yeah i'm just saying there was nothing interesting about that stage i know you loved it so much.

Speaker 3 You love that stage.

Speaker 2 I want to be on that stage. I want to be on that floor pulling it.
That for you is really the room where it happened.

Speaker 2 A men. A men.

Speaker 2 I saw Patty Laplone do Sweeney Todd with no set, and I was there.

Speaker 3 No, by the way, by the way, I saw the same production. There is a beautiful stage design.
It's simple, but it was amazing.

Speaker 2 You're right. This is.

Speaker 2 This This makes no sense. Again, this feels like a high school production in

Speaker 2 the cello. I was, but

Speaker 2 you weren't impressed with the quick changes? No. Neither of you.
No, Paul.

Speaker 2 Paul, I'm comfortable saying that is

Speaker 2 base level what should be.

Speaker 3 Am I comfortable with the fact that they knew their lines?

Speaker 2 You weren't surprised that they could sing on key. No, that's the job.

Speaker 2 I guess I just like live performers

Speaker 2 doing their craft. I think that's the closest it got to being a magic trick, and you liked that.
I did. You're like, I did.
That was the point in the movie where you're like, how'd they do that?

Speaker 2 And it got your attention.

Speaker 2 I was all in. I was all in.

Speaker 2 I did feel uncomfortable for James Hewitt to have his shirt off for so much of it.

Speaker 2 On a mechanical bull? Yeah. Or a mechanical horse, I guess? Yeah, I didn't like it.
I just felt uncomfortable. The James Hewitt song, too, was fucking bonkers.
I mean, they're all...

Speaker 3 That one that we just saw?

Speaker 2 No, no, this one. The one where our romance novelist.

Speaker 2 Look at that set. Where are we?

Speaker 2 Buckingham Palace.

Speaker 2 If your prince leaves you wanting more.

Speaker 2 Hold on. Look at this sage design.

Speaker 2 God.

Speaker 2 Red lights. Ooh, the red light district

Speaker 2 gets you thinking. To match her dress.

Speaker 2 That's what I like. Pops.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's Senator Jess the Red Light district.

Speaker 2 This again is

Speaker 2 entirely set in the world of

Speaker 2 extreme wealth.

Speaker 2 I don't know. This is getting me a little, you know.

Speaker 2 Well, good news. Good news, Paul.
Bad news, June, it's playing in your bedroom.

Speaker 2 Why not score a man of war?

Speaker 2 Here comes,

Speaker 2 here

Speaker 2 comes

Speaker 2 Zaya.

Speaker 2 If you can't afford a horse, get a saddle on a seat that comes out from the stage. How many times have you seen that in a Broadway show?

Speaker 2 The visual is getting hard on.

Speaker 2 Great stage design. This is a boner visual.
Great stage design. And the red lights change to what? Blue.
Balls.

Speaker 2 James Hewen.

Speaker 2 Everybody is soaking wet for this guy.

Speaker 2 I would rather.

Speaker 2 I love him. I would rather watch them fuck.

Speaker 3 I would rather. Jay had a lot of chemistry.

Speaker 2 I would genuinely rather watch them fuck. So here's James Hewitt.

Speaker 2 Let's still have a picture of him during his riding days. Yeah, all right.
So his riding days, there's a picture of him with diarrhea.

Speaker 2 Okay. I mean,

Speaker 2 no, that's not okay. Yeah.
Wait, look at this. He looks like a dork.

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What are you doing?

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You just got

Speaker 2 your identity is gone.

Speaker 2 Between the Netflix login and this,

Speaker 2 you're done. I do it for you, goddammit.
You're going to get home tonight. There's going to be 40 more projects.
I know everyone here is cool.

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You shouldn't be. You're showing too much.

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There's two profiles. Did you get one? You get the top.
I'll get the bottom.

Speaker 2 I thought I was moving pretty quickly. Thank God it's not being taped for Netflix so you could rewind it and screen grab and shoot it out.
But look, we have a lot of questions out here.

Speaker 2 There may be some of my British friends out here. There may be people out here that have different questions.
Let's go to you to the audience. Let's have the house lights up a little bit.

Speaker 2 And I'll just tell you all: we are trying to record it. Well, of course, because it's a podcast.

Speaker 2 And so,

Speaker 2 because I'm not going to go out there with the mic, I may have to repeat the question. So, here we go.
What do we got? Yeah, right down here.

Speaker 3 Why do you think it was so important for them to talk about how dumb Diana was?

Speaker 2 All right, great. So, this is important.
All right, so the question here: and what's your name? Montana. Montana.
And whose side are you on ultimately in this?

Speaker 2 June's side. Okay, you're on June's side.
Why? There's no other side to be on.

Speaker 2 I mean, where's my team, Camilla?

Speaker 2 Wait, do you think

Speaker 2 we represent different sides of the...

Speaker 2 I think that Camilla made the ultimate sacrifice. What are you talking about? Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Wait, so you are saying

Speaker 2 you are Team Camilla.

Speaker 2 Isn't that the case? Isn't that the story that they wouldn't let her marry him? She was married

Speaker 2 because she knew it was a dead end.

Speaker 2 She's like, look, she's like, look, what do you want me to fucking do? I got it.

Speaker 2 You know, she was already married when she met him.

Speaker 2 Oh, when she met him? Yes.

Speaker 3 Well, I think they had known each other for a while, but when they were having an affair, she was already married.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 I thought they were like longtime, like, like high school sweethearts. Like, they went on a field trip to like, you know,

Speaker 2 London.

Speaker 2 You're acting as if these are people who have had normal lives. These are monsters.
All right.

Speaker 2 So the question from Montana was,

Speaker 2 why do they have to keep on pointing out that she's so dumb? And this actually goes into what I was saying, that they do her a disservice. They make her dumb.
They make her like

Speaker 2 a dumb kid. Yeah, and I don't know, like, and that's why I do think the play isn't on her side.
Well, I don't think the play is on anyone's side. I think the play is constantly

Speaker 2 having it both ways with everybody.

Speaker 2 They both want you to think Charles is an idiot and a villain, but then also believe in the love story of Charles and Camilla and the fact that they missed their Sundays.

Speaker 2 And they want you to believe that the queen is different than the romance novelist.

Speaker 2 She is.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 Are you telling me the queen's not? They're the same person in the musical.

Speaker 2 was a, I thought that was what the show was trying to prove to me.

Speaker 2 That's quite a quick change.

Speaker 2 That was a good quick change.

Speaker 2 All right, so any other questions? Any other questions? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right there. Whose side are you on, and what's your name?

Speaker 2 I'm Holly.

Speaker 2 June and Jason. Okay, June and Jason, which is also mine.
I was on my point. That's mine.
She gets it. I'm just saying, if you didn't know, I'm curious, just so we don't have to waste time.

Speaker 2 Is anybody here on Paul's side?

Speaker 2 Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,

Speaker 2 Look, I'm not saying in real life. I'm just saying

Speaker 2 the musical version of this. That's where I'm at.
Yes, go ahead.

Speaker 2 The

Speaker 2 Feck you dress. Yes, the Fuck You dress.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Feck you. It's Feck You until the last line is Fuck You.
Yes, the Feck U dress. That's actually a famous dress, June might know.

Speaker 2 If you guys didn't know that black dress, do you think that was a Feck You dress?

Speaker 3 Do you thought that was, was it effective?

Speaker 2 Okay, was the Feck You dress effective? Let's pull it up here. Okay, so you're so the question is: do you think it was successful in its attempt to be like a declarative statement of something?

Speaker 2 Yeah, certainly, yes, absolutely. This is a famous dress, right?

Speaker 3 That's a classic dress. Even I know this.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Paul, pause.

Speaker 2 Oh, will you rewind it just like a couple, just like a few seconds?

Speaker 2 Okay, so right here, you love that stage design.

Speaker 2 What I like about

Speaker 2 the light.

Speaker 2 What I like about this stage design is a couple things. It doesn't take attention away from the feck you dress.
It actually lets a feck you dress shine. And to your question,

Speaker 2 I believe it's a feck you dress because they're telling me it. So like if.

Speaker 2 so,

Speaker 2 I didn't have to, I didn't have to even imagine it.

Speaker 2 They told me, as everything,

Speaker 2 every emotion is told to me, except the things that should be told to me, like the suicide, that's hidden in a punch through the mirror. But this is very clean.

Speaker 2 Everyone is very clean and clear with how they feel. So, yeah, like she could be serving pizza and saying it's soup.
And if you say it's soup enough times, I'm like, I guess that's soup.

Speaker 2 See, I liked this. I liked this.

Speaker 2 This is where

Speaker 2 the the musical fails because this is a really good idea at a juxtaposition between prince charles giving this televised interview where he's going to take some sort of ownership and she's stealing focus with this fuck you dress right and to be able to think that that could have that juxtaposition could have created tension and been something great and instead it's just like not it's neither neither side of it is particularly effective at dramatizing the events of what i think is is this a true story well that that I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 3 time was like,

Speaker 3 things got a bit conflated, I think, because I don't know.

Speaker 2 This is true. She was going to go to this very big event.
I actually do have this research from me.

Speaker 2 All right. So this is,

Speaker 2 okay, Paul Burrell. That's her close friend and confidant.
In an interview after the princess died, Burrell spoke about how Diana felt humiliated after Charles admitted his infidelity to the press.

Speaker 2 The evening that Charles's interview aired, Diana was scheduled to appear at the annual Serpentine Gallery summer party and nearly did not go.

Speaker 2 According to Burrell, he talked her into going and chose a very sexy black dress for her to wear with a diamond choker as a way to tell the world she was not going to be humiliated.

Speaker 2 Their duet, The Dress, is a direct reference to this conversation. So that's

Speaker 2 applause.

Speaker 2 Now you're just giving the audience applause? I know this is a good idea. But cheer for me.

Speaker 2 Jason, Jason, Jason, Jason,

Speaker 2 Camilla, Camilla, Camilla.

Speaker 2 Team CPB over here.

Speaker 3 I'm so upset about this call.

Speaker 2 This is a new team's team.

Speaker 2 I'm judging this as a person who just walked into the local Netflix cinema and shows Diana. I don't know what this is about.
Is this true?

Speaker 2 But if this had been bouncing back and forth between him giving the interview and her doing this and

Speaker 2 that could have been fun and cool and have given more, again, more emotionality to the moment and to what they were going through.

Speaker 2 But instead, it's everything is reduced to just everything's reduced to one thing. And this is just the dress.
Do you remember that one song?

Speaker 2 And now I can't remember it, but it was when it's with the romance novelist and she goes, it's him, it's her. It's a combo of him and her.
What is that? What are you?

Speaker 2 I don't even know what you're saying. Like, what is what, like, like, that was odd.
It was like, what is like, what's the combo of him and her?

Speaker 2 Like, I didn't understand what even that was going for, but it does feel like I said to June when she was watching again, and I walked and was watching it over her shoulder. It's interesting because

Speaker 2 you both watched it twice. I definitely watched a few more scenes.

Speaker 3 You stopped by and watched more of it than I think you're willing to do.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, no, I'll admit it. I'll admit it.
And I guess like whatever time I watched. I want to have the severance procedure done

Speaker 2 for this movie. So that I can live in a world in which I don't remember having seen it.

Speaker 3 I have to be honest with you, Jason. I might watch it again.

Speaker 2 I'm going to tell you, it goes down smoother the second time. Obviously, we have an opinion about this movie.
There are people out there with a different opinion. It is now time for second opinions.

Speaker 2 They go to Amazon. To get their reviews on.
These people's minds are gone. They're second opinionated.

Speaker 2 They're lowering their bars. These movies are sub-par.
They give them all five stars. Second opinionated.

Speaker 2 Amazing!

Speaker 2 What an amazing job. Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 2 Chris said he wrote that 10 seconds before the show. You could not tell.
It was better than most of the songs in Diana the Musical.

Speaker 2 I would believe it if Chris had written Diana the Musical.

Speaker 2 Diana the Musical, second opinions.

Speaker 2 So these are the reviews,

Speaker 2 sadly, just from the soundtrack on Emily.

Speaker 2 When did this come?

Speaker 2 This came out in 2021.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so this was awarded all the Razzies this year, just a mere few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 So, but people do mention the stage version and Netflix won a lot. So

Speaker 2 here are some reviews here. I'll start off with this one.
From man.

Speaker 2 Every performance is breathtakingly spot on.

Speaker 2 I would not change anything about this musical. A masterpiece.
Five stars. Absolutely wonderful.

Speaker 2 There we go. Jennifer W.
Hale writes, after seeing the Netflix show, I had to get the soundtrack.

Speaker 2 I know this is a controversial piece, but I love it. Five stars, this is a fun musical.

Speaker 2 I would say fun is not the word I would use.

Speaker 2 And then,

Speaker 2 okay.

Speaker 2 Two more quick ones.

Speaker 2 From an Amazon customer. I absolutely loved it.
The music was so good. The cast is amazing.

Speaker 2 Do yourself a favor and go see the Broadway show in person.

Speaker 2 And then watch the Netflix iteration as well. Because it's just brilliant.
Enough said. Five stars.

Speaker 2 Now, here is the thing that was weird weird that Nate found. Nate Kylie, our amazing researcher, found out that a lot of the five-star reviews happen to be for Shrek the musical.

Speaker 2 And they somehow are on the Diana page.

Speaker 2 So the ones I just read might have been for Shrek if they don't specifically say Diana, because in the Diana musical ones, we also found this one from Jandy.

Speaker 2 Jandy writes, this is a gift from my husband, Tony, who loves musicals, especially this one. He enjoys playing his cast album of Shrek while working on his computer five stars

Speaker 2 thank you Jandy

Speaker 2 June and I saw Shrek the musical what when remember we went to go see at the Pantasia's

Speaker 2 that was somebody else we were there with cool op and scott everybody

Speaker 2 you were definitely there It's Kulop and Scott and everyone was there.

Speaker 3 I have no recollection of that.

Speaker 2 We got yelled at. How about this? This is the first I'm hearing that there is such a thing as a Shrek musical.
It's on Netflix.

Speaker 3 Like this?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's also on YouTube. Please do not make us watch it.
Shrek, the musical.

Speaker 2 Now, now I will say Camilla Parker Bowles and that is actually,

Speaker 2 you will see a different side of her.

Speaker 2 Would you recommend? She plays Donkey.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 Shrek. Wait, that's the thing that makes me think

Speaker 2 him.

Speaker 2 I can't believe him

Speaker 2 talking. Wow, despicable.
The only other character I know from Shrek!

Speaker 2 Fiona.

Speaker 2 Should I have said Lady Shrek? Lord Farquhard.

Speaker 2 I don't know from Shrek.

Speaker 2 I know there's a donkey. Would you rather? Cut that out!

Speaker 2 Actually, put it in twice.

Speaker 2 But instead, when I make the joke, instead of them booing, put in before when they chanted my name.

Speaker 2 I will kill regardless of what happens in this room.

Speaker 2 Would you recommend it? No!

Speaker 2 June.

Speaker 2 You know.

Speaker 3 It is something to see, and I do feel like musicals in general, it's so hard to translate a stage production to a screen in general.

Speaker 3 It's not going to be as good. And so I do feel we've been judging this a bit unfairly.

Speaker 3 We might have had a different experience.

Speaker 2 Would you have enjoyed it more if you'd gone to the theater to see it?

Speaker 3 Would you have been more forgiving, perhaps? I think so. I think so.
But in some ways, I think seeing everybody up close, seeing customs up close, seeing all of that.

Speaker 3 Well, sorry, go ahead. No, too close doesn't.
It's like that show, Is It a Cake?

Speaker 3 They have to watch, they look at the cake from like 15 feet away well I was gonna say you would like to look at this further away

Speaker 2 yeah what yeah one of my well one of my notes was one of my notes that I didn't say was would I have enjoyed this more if it had been filmed you're right not up close but like from the middle of the room and the audience been full of people enjoying the show it's kind of like that Bo Burnham special for Chris Rock where Spike Lee is taking up so much attention because he's like in the front row but you still feel like you're in the audience.

Speaker 2 And I do, I do like that idea that, like, I think that the audience not being here is a problem. I agree.
This is like a Tony and Tina's wedding, a Charles and Diana wedding.

Speaker 2 I feel like it has this element, but it's the wrong take for a story that is this dark.

Speaker 3 Listen, I don't think this succeeds necessarily on stage either, but

Speaker 3 I don't, but I think I would have enjoyed it. I might have enjoyed it more and been more forgiving.

Speaker 2 So, you're saying your recommendation is go back in time and see it in the theater.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, again, it seems it's playing on every TV in our home right now.

Speaker 2 We're making our children only watch every one of those pro. That's why there's so many profiles on your Netflix is so every TV can be playing this simultaneously.

Speaker 2 Everyone in our house watches something so different and it screws up everyone's algorithm. So, I just made everyone their own profile.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 2 you did.

Speaker 3 You really did.

Speaker 2 Is that for every app?

Speaker 3 Pretty much. It's for Disney Plus 2.
It's for he wants his own, his content on his own.

Speaker 2 Yeah. He doesn't have to be on the ground.
Oh, oh my God, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 2 I was having a trouble with that Netflix algorithm because you are watching anything where people are getting murdered all the time. And I'm like, how can I find the Atom Project?

Speaker 2 It's like your version of Netflix. The Atom Project does not even exist.

Speaker 2 The answer is, don't find the Atom Project.

Speaker 2 Why are you looking for the Adam Project?

Speaker 2 How do I find Free Guy?

Speaker 2 Ryan Reynolds sent me a case of Jinny's a nice gentleman.

Speaker 3 I do think this is something to behold, though. It's something to see.

Speaker 2 And none of the songs are memorable, but I would say they're impossible to even sing. Sure.

Speaker 2 Except for that gentleman there,

Speaker 2 there's nothing hooky about.

Speaker 3 There's nothing to hold on to.

Speaker 2 It really just is sung exposition, you you know, for the most part.

Speaker 2 Well, good news. We're going to bring you to New York and we're going to put this on for you, Jason.
You are going to get to go and see this live in New York City. Let's go, everybody.

Speaker 2 We're all getting on the bus. Buses outside.
We're going up Broadway.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, that is it.
A big thank you to April Halley, who has been sitting on this one for a long time.

Speaker 2 She's like, this needed to be a live show because you need to talk about the wonderful staging, the beautiful costumes, and you need to see it to believe it.

Speaker 2 Up in the booth tonight, our amazing sound engineer, Devin Bryant, Alec Dixon up there working all the sound and lights and everything like that.

Speaker 2 Our producer, Cody Fisher, our producer Molly Reynolds, and of course, Nate Kylie does all of our research. Thank you to Largo.
This is amazing to be here. We will see you soon.
We'll be back.

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