Episode 407: Jim Reviews Forbidden Door

Hello again, friends.

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And you are our friends.

We brought out the real organ today.

Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thrue.

We'll be talking about a lot of organs here today on the show.

We have a lot of things happening in AEW pay-per-view

from

London,

as well as assault and battery, attempted murder, and so many other things to talk about.

It's an action-packed show here this week.

And here he is.

I'm the host, by the way, the great Brian Last.

And here he is,

Mr.

Jim Cornett.

Gee, just get, oh, for heaven's sake.

You know, when you started out with the slow version, where you actually, the slower you go, the more it seems like you hit real notes, but it was like the build-up to Hotel California in concert.

where it's even

and then it got into the thing and then suddenly you screamed at me and perpetrated my eardrum come on give me a break with your hell friends they're not your friends anyway what kind of friend are you to go screaming in people's faces brian last

did you walk down the street and just get up in somebody's face hell friend

The fuck, can you hello, friends?

Or hello, friends so you can do the hello two different ways these are wonderful suggestions that perhaps i will apply at some point not now

brian have you ever have you ever friend friend countryman of mine have you ever seen a skunk chase a deer

no that'd be a new one i am sending you a video Stacy's emailing it to me, and I'm going to email it to you.

She tried to tweet it, but it wouldn't let her tweet it or whatever.

I don't know how these things work.

But again, last night, the motion sensor light in the backyard goes off,

and Stace looks out the window.

She grabs her phone and videos it.

Sputnik the skunk is back.

And remember, I told you because we got a semi-decent look at him.

It was in a darker area.

But I said he's got a lot of white on him.

Turns out this skunk from toe to tip of tail has got to be three feet long easily it's a big ass skunk and its whole head is white a big white stripe going down its back and its whole tail is white it's more of a white skunk than it is the black is on the underneath

i have never seen a a skunk like this in my life and it is facing off

with one of the deer, one of the Bundy family.

And I think it was one of the little ones, I believe.

There was none of the others around for reference, and it was still dark.

But the deer would look at it, and it would run like a couple of steps toward the deer, and the deer would turn a giant circle and hop back and look and be scared.

But it was chasing the deer.

Did it spray?

Well, I see that you.

Did it spray?

It's a notorious and infamous skunk spray.

No, no, because it was just advancing and was not being threatened because the deer was running away from it.

It has to turn around.

It was advancing head first.

It has to turn around to spray.

So when I'm driving around and I smell the skunk, like do skunks, if they get run over, do they release their

toxic aroma?

Do they?

Well, wouldn't you?

I don't know.

I don't know how it works.

I don't know if it has to be a conscious thing like, all right, it's time to spray this shit here.

No, if it it gets run over by a car, whatever's in there is getting released in some fashion or another, all

over the concrete.

But, um,

what are you laughing at?

A poor squashed skunk?

What kind of sadist are you?

The last skunk in a car accident was Vince McMahon on the Merrick Parkway.

That hair will, and he's got that fucking streak in his hair.

So,

but, nevertheless, the point is, if they are threatened,

if they're threatened or they're backed in a corner or or something happens that they feel in danger,

they will let loose with that shit.

And or I think there's another reason also, because we had a family years ago living under the walk in the back.

We were going to get rid of just the one, but then we saw the little babies.

And

we just started closing the bedroom window.

It was springtime because they would just let loose with that for summer.

I don't know if they they were threatened or just marking their territory, but

but this fucking skunk ain't taking shit off anybody.

This deer's three times as tall as he is, except if he was to stand up on his back legs and and go

that'd be an impressive-looking fucking skunk.

I wonder if he crossbred with something with what?

Well,

one of these

other crossbred things.

You don't know about these interspecies situations.

It could have been Landon.

Landon was more skunk than he was human.

It could be one of these chupacabra things.

You know, the other day I was going through some of my files, and there's a Sputnik Monroe file, but next to that, there are just various files of various Monroes.

And, you know, Flash Monroe without the blonde streak.

It's not the same thing.

It's not the same thing at all.

there were

there was rocket monroe there was flash monroe

bubba monroe was

actually sputnick's son

and he ended up at his greater fame in wrestling was being uh jared jarrett's limo driver when jared had that limousine oh i didn't know that interesting yes bubba monroe was the

he was the the driver the night that

Jared almost put fucking Bill Dundee out and made him right up front.

What happened?

From running over the people with,

I may have told the story, but again, we've got so many kids.

They had the big 10-man tag team match in Memphis at the Mid South Coliseum and a big crowd.

And there's there to see

the babyface team was Jerry Lawler,

Stan and Steve, the fabulous ones, Jackie Fargo, and Bill Superstar Dundee.

And all, I can't remember

that Jimmy Hart's first first family play, you know, like Ken Patera was probably in on the other heel side, or Ventura may have been in that, whoever the fuck it was.

But all the baby faces get to grand entrance.

And of course, Lawler,

that was probably, I think, a night he might have come out on a horse again.

I can't remember what he did.

And the Fabs and Fargo came out in Jerry Jarrett's limousine, as they did oftentimes.

Dundee would come out riding his motorcycle.

And he gets revved up in that long aisleway that they would, you know, down ringside and all the way to the back.

That's people have seen in the Mid South Coliseum footage.

It's, you know, to the ring was 100, 125 feet, 150 feet, easy, maybe more.

I might even be underestimated.

My God.

And he's going to come out.

And as soon as he comes down that aisleway, the people are screaming and rummering and they're playing the song,

wipeout,

the motorcycle music, right?

And

as soon as they got to wipe out, he did.

When he got to ringside, the spotlight got in his eyes that he was going too fast, and he hit fucking spilled Coca-Cola.

And all the heels that aren't in the match, including me, are watching from the back.

And it looked like that he just went down and slid sideways.

And then you see people jump up and like, how many did he take out?

Oh, my God.

Jerry Jarrett shit himself in the back.

Come to find a bunch of people jumped up.

And like, I think a few stood on their seats.

And he didn't actually mow anybody down, but it looked like a goddamn scene of mayhem, right?

For a second.

And of course, Lawler and the fabs are dying laughing.

And

so they had the match.

Nobody got hurt.

They had the match.

Everything's fine.

But Dundee had ridden with Jerry Jarrett from down from Hendersonville, from Nashville in the limousine.

And

Jerry Jarrett wouldn't let him ride in the back, he made him ride up front with Bubba Monroe.

Oh, wow!

And they get like the story I heard was they got past Jackson, then it's like one o'clock in the morning or whatever, and he Dundee made Bubba pull over the side of the road and he got out and he walked back that long stretch limousine and he starts knocking in the door.

Come on, little man, let me come on.

I'm sorry.

he called him little man

everybody called jarret little man that was since when roy let him take over memphis it was little man

it was a term of endearment if you had been shooting ringside still obviously this a year after you started managing would you have been wiped out like where would you have been no i'd have been nowhere near dundee riding a motorcycle indoors

So I'd have been the last person who got run over.

I was, I took pictures one day.

They shot that video of him riding down the hill in Jerry Jarrett's fucking giant 100-acre backyard on the motorcycle video.

He had a bad reputation.

It's just him riding his motorcycle up and down hills.

Yeah.

And

that's why I wasn't about to fucking let him be near me on a motorcycle indoors.

But

what were we talking about?

We were talking about Bubba Monroe and the Monroe

Slash Monroe, Monroes, all the Monroes,

not the Monroes that work here, the Monroe brothers, Alf and Ralph, but the complete

family of that was spawned by Sputnik because he was so over, he needed brothers.

And you know, really is their genius name.

You know, Marilyn Monroe was in the middle of actually her run as being one of the biggest, most glamorous stars in the world.

He takes that and Sputnik, which was in the middle of the day.

Well, but now, now, hold on, Monroe was his legitimate middle name

you know that i didn't know that i did not know that no rosco monroe brumbaugh i knew rosco brumbaugh did not know monroe was his actual middle name wow so there you but he was working before he got sputnick in alabama he was working as elvis rock monroe

elvis and rock at the same time yes well because rock from rosco rock brumbaugh had been a thing He went through a variety of names.

Many of the fans called him many more.

I'm sure there'll be lots more to learn about Sputnik Monroe in the future that we'll let people know about.

Yes, good tease.

And it'll be about another week or so, and we'll start making those announcements.

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But, Jim, there has been a story this week that we have to talk about here at the top of the show.

And I thought the big thing this week would be just reviewing the AEW pay-per-view, knowing that they typically go somewhere between 8 and 45 hours.

Yeah.

I think there'll be a lot of things to talk about.

But I woke up to a bunch of people sending me footage.

And to this point, right now, it hasn't stopped.

I don't know if I've ever seen something that didn't take place in WWE that was big, or like CM Punk showing up in AEW.

I don't know if I've ever seen the reaction from the listeners to a story.

And this is the story of someone most of us had not really heard of before,

Raja Jackson.

The son of Rampage Jackson, the legendary mixed martial artist and UFC fighter, and an appearance.

I don't even know if that's what we call it.

There may be more appearances coming in the future.

Yes,

I think some of them will be mandatory.

But he was at a show in Southern California, I believe, or at least in California, called Knox

Wrestling or Knox Championship Wrestling.

Let's talk about this story.

Oh, good lord.

Yeah, because you can't even really explain to people who, if you've lived under a rock and and haven't heard about this, we'll try to

go over what happened.

But like you said, the attention

because it just came out of nowhere.

And it's not even, it's,

it's really incidental that it's about wrestling.

It's just about this celebrity MMA fighter's moron son that, you know, commits attempted murder after attempting, after admitting that he's going to do it, then does it and his own cameraman shoots it and streams it to the world.

So that kind of, you know, was one of those things that tripped everybody's trigger.

Before we delve into this any further,

because it is related to wrestling,

the summation of all of this is that I think that, oh,

Roger Jackson needs to go to prison for quite some time where he can contemplate the choices he's made in his life.

So I'm not

absolving him of any responsibility for being a fucking lunatic,

but everybody involved in this at some level

is

an idiot, unprofessional.

Situation shouldn't have been even allowed to happen.

And And it's just an example of why that I am so goddamn

disgusted

with the wrestling business, both at a major level and at the small time level, the outlaw mud show level.

And the only good person

that I can see in this or that

actually more than good, the only sane, rational human being

that did anything right was the guy, and I forgot his name now because I've never heard any of these people, but the guy that pulled Raja off of the guy that he was trying to kill.

Oh, his name was Doug something.

I just saw an interview with him.

He came across a stand-up guy.

Well, and again, if you Google any report about this thing, it'll have all these people's names.

But here's the problem.

Here's the multitude of problems.

We may be here for a minute.

None of of this should have ever taken place.

What the people saw, apparently this,

not only Raja Jackson, but his father does it too.

They just wander around their daily life with somebody next to them with a fucking camera phone

broadcasting them

taking a shit, Megan Coleslaw.

I don't know what the fuck.

Why are they just sitting around on camera, on the internet?

These people, what's happened trying to make money how is this they're trying to make money with how would you make money what the they're making content that influencers

i don't know who they're influencing the content that i saw was was either this guy raja standing around cutting incoherent promos and raving about

or his father rampage was sitting with some other guy watching something that we couldn't fucking see.

Look, I don't know how many people are watching it, but this was a live stream to an audience that apparently was giving him feedback after the initial confrontation, egging him along.

And he was telling them, Yeah, I'm going to do something.

Okay, but this is news to me that people would just walk around with a camera broadcasting their, you know, walking down the street.

Oh, I wonder if there's a place to take a piss around here type of day.

And that anybody would give a shit to watch it.

So that's the first thing.

So these people are fucked up.

So

apparently Knox Pro Wrestling, which is

at least in name owned by Rikishi,

and it's allegedly a wrestling school.

More on that in a minute.

But they're having a show.

And again, you know, Rikishi wasn't there.

And I don't know.

Is this one of those things where a lot of guys own wrestling schools and a lot of guys just, oh, it's Sam Smith's wrestling school, and somebody else pays Sam Smith to say that?

I don't know what's going on.

It looks like there's a family involvement, which may mean that, you know,

it's been the Samoan family tradition when one of the guys does well, he spreads the wealth around that rest of the family.

So, did he buy some

brother-in-law wrestling school?

I don't fucking know.

But they're doing a show.

And one of the wrestlers, the guy in the cowboy hat, the dick

that the hero of the piece is blaming for stirring all this shit up.

What's his name?

Can you remember his name?

I had never seen or heard of him before.

I'd have to look it up.

I don't remember.

Cowboy hat fella.

There's a guy walking around wearing a cowboy hat.

He knows Roger Jackson.

And he has Roger Jackson, the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson, come to the show to hang out with him.

And he brings him to,

oh, goddamn.

The dressing room was a parking lot with a tent behind some cars.

And,

hey, you know what?

I've been on some low-budget propositions before.

And, you know, in the various training centers that I've been involved in or fucking spot shows or whatever.

But it's a bunch of guys.

Honestly, it's a bunch of fucking guys that do this for fun on the fucking weekends, sitting around in lawn chairs next to a tent in a fucking parking lot,

adjoining a building where they're having a wrestling show.

What was the crowd, Brian?

Was there 50 people?

And did they have room to get 50 people in there?

It was a small building and a small crowd.

I don't know how many.

Okay.

And this promotion, because Rikishi owns it, or it's, it's the family thing.

I'm sure they got a

favor deal.

They have one of those WWE ID affiliations, or they did.

More on that in a moment.

And, but it's,

you could, I can, I'm sorry, I can tell by the guys and the manner of which was going on.

This is a bunch of guys that do this for fun on the fucking weekends.

If anybody thinks they're going to fucking be a star off of this proposition, because

number one,

the guy that is psycho Stu, who again,

he did nothing stupid, maybe ignorant to the business, isn't a reason to have your head bashed in while you're unconscious.

Don't even know what's happening.

But

he's sitting there when Roger Jackson walks up and is talking to some of the other guys.

And he sees, I guess, whoever the guy was filming him.

And apparently the story is, and the video backs it up that he wanted,

he thought they were doing an angle

or doing or shooting something or working something.

So he wants to get in on it and he gets up and comes up.

And

I don't know, Brian, what did you couldn't really hear what they said?

It didn't last long, but he didn't challenge the guy.

Oh, you don't know me?

No, I don't know you.

I'm Psycho Stu.

He was trying to get on camera and

he picks up one of the empty beer cans.

There's those that they're drinking before the show.

And also, this guy, and I'm going to say this, he's a veteran, Psycho Stu.

They said that he did this to

deal with his PTSD.

But I also saw somebody say that he's been there for like 10 years.

So

there's sometimes there's guys like that that everybody knows them.

Everybody likes them in the school.

They're eccentric.

And sometimes even in the territories, Mike Sharp used to like take 20 showers a day.

But they're a little, they're a little different or they don't quite pick up on it.

But apparently, Stu picks up one of the empty beer cans and hits the guy over the head with it, Raja, who doesn't sell it because he's like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

And then Stu says, you ain't going to sell it?

He doesn't know what the fuck's even going on.

And I saw one report said, well, it was a gimmicked beer can.

There's no such thing as a gimmicked beer can, idiots.

It's just an empty beer can.

You're not going to kill somebody with this.

Hit them like that.

It's just one of these stupid, hardcore things

that fat guys who play wrestler on the weekends think is cool from ECW,

because Sandman used to do it.

You just hit the fucking guy.

It hurts.

It might cut you if you get him right, but it's not going to.

But the point is, he hits the guy with the beer can, and Roger is like, what the fuck is this?

And he starts to bow up.

And Brian, then

one of the

Samoan bloodline family was that he looked like Alpha the Samoan if he was dehydrated.

I don't know who this fucking guy is.

Someone told me it was the Black Pearl, who I believe is actually the son of Alpha and Sika's older brother, but I'm not certain, but that's what I was told by someone.

I don't know, but he looks like he's 100.

And I guess he's supposed to be the veteran, or in some way, is he an official person here?

He's the one who stands up,

You know, brother, he's not a worker.

He's not a worker.

Here's another thing.

Nobody that's actually a worker

just says to people, or they didn't used to, not told that everybody thinks they're smart when they come into wrestling school because they're already internet smart.

But you wouldn't, you wouldn't say he's not a worker.

He's a cave.

He's not with it, whatever, but he's not a worker.

Nobody, we didn't call each other workers to begin with.

We were working and we were workers, but to each other,

we didn't say, Hi, fellow worker.

They're all internet smart.

So, dehydrated alpha gets up and tries to cool him down.

And the cowboy hat guy

comes in, and I think he was there getting in the middle of that, right?

But then, apparently, they

talk him down

And they tell Stu, no, this guy, he's not shooting an angle.

He doesn't know what the fuck you're doing.

And they tell the dehydrated Alpha tells Raja,

oh, yeah, he thinks we're always working.

We're always working here.

He thought we were working.

Have I described this so far like it actually stupidly happened, Brian?

Yeah, and also you brought up this is all outside.

This is the middle of the day, so the sun's just.

It looks like they're hiding behind three or four parked cars next to a tent in some chairs with a fucking table full of beer cans.

Your first thought isn't they're backstage at a wrestling show.

No.

So yeah, the confrontation happens.

Apparently,

Psycho Sue was alerted that this wasn't

a work or this wasn't an angle or whatever he thought.

And he apologized or tried to make amends several times.

And those are on camera.

Yes.

And the guy even finally says, okay, okay, we're cool.

But then,

then they have a brilliant idea.

A wonderfully, brilliantly evil idea.

They come up and they tell Stu,

well, we're going to make something out of it.

Make something out of what?

What the fuck?

Suddenly, people are going to descend on this location to buy tickets to see

what the fuck is wrong on so many levels.

Nobody knows who any of these people are except Roger Jackson, who wandered into this and his goddamn mental case, if we haven't mentioned that.

And

what the hero of the piece

that saved Stu later on.

Doug Mollow, apparently, is his name.

Doug Mollow claims at a podcast that Cowboy Hat fellow

didn't like Stu

and wound up

Roger Jackson and somehow the promotion, aka dehydrated alpha,

decides to go along with this by

putting Roger Jackson in a spot in the match where he's going to leave the front row of ringside and go in and tackle

Psycho Stu

and get his receipt back

and the cowboy hat guy is on camera explaining i told you what a receipt is right

and again and there's so many of these goofy smart mark internet smart alleged fans alleged experts mma fans whatever that just think that they know all the terminology and they're

so goddamn with it

as frank spaceman hickey would say with it not with it

they've oh he was just gonna yeah that's his receipt you idiot

a receipt is when somebody's careless and

throws a kick to your chest and kicks you in the fucking lip and gives you a bloody lip and when you grab them in a fucking headlock and you goddamn take your knuckle and you fucking pap them on the fucking cheek or something like go motherfucker or one of those

you know, Vader Hansen type of receipts where they just club you on the side of the fucking head once to wake you up

or whatever, but not goddamn attempted murder and

intentional brain damage.

And but all of these motherfuckers, every wrestler on this show, apparently, with the exception of Doug,

is internet smart.

And they're all a bunch.

And this guy wound them up to where they have this guy come in and do a fucking spot

on poor old Stu,

who may very well be psycho.

Maybe he was drinking, maybe just not that bright.

Again,

not an excuse

for attempted murder.

And

somehow this passes by the chain of command in this goddamn flea market they're running out there, where this is all okay.

And then finally, now the Roger Jackson is sitting in the front row with his camera guy

in Stu's match, waiting for his spot.

And he's saying,

They told me to go in there and take him down and hit him.

Well, I'm going to hit him as many times as I can before they

pull him off of me.

You watch and see.

And he's predicating and admitting in advance to everything he's about to do.

And

he's broadcasting it.

And then, when you know who won the pony,

when his time comes, he goes in there, double-leg dives the guy, snaps him down.

If the guy didn't hit the back of his head and was still conscious after the first punch, he wasn't because he just drilled him right in the face.

And then,

what did they say, Brian?

Was it 22 or 23 punches that he threw as hard and as fast as he could?

I don't think more than 16 connected, though.

And he's in a ring full of people.

Nobody's doing any goddamn thing.

Well, apparently, from what I heard, the first person in there who tried to do something and what there was nothing he could do was only 17 years old.

Yeah, you know, here, yes.

Yep.

Remind me when I talk about legal liability later on here in the episode.

The first person to get to the the scene of the, not to get to the scene, but to react to the scene of the attempted murder is a miner.

And he tries to pull his maniac off, and that doesn't work.

And then

Doug comes,

and Doug

looks pretty fucking stout to me.

It apparently has some experience.

And he's trying to pull the guy off, Roger,

and he's pulling him off.

And Roger tries to double leg him.

And he fucking wasn't

quite so easy as the guy was working with him a minute ago.

And he didn't let him.

He fucking snatched him.

And apparently, as more people then came on, Roger punched him in the eye, Doug, and busted his eye open.

So Doug hand-butted him and drilled him back.

Yeah, in that interview that he did, Doug said in his mind as it was happening, and you can't really doubt this, if If Roger Jackson had succeeded in taking him down with a double leg, he would have tried to kill him too.

This was a guy that was going to just do this

until someone stopped him, it seemed like.

Well, he was already beating.

I mean, anybody hadn't seen this.

It's just ridiculous.

And he's supposedly a Roger Jackson, a trained fighter.

Like George Gulis, he's the George Gulis of MMA.

Apparently, because his father, otherwise nobody would know who this fucking waste of sperm was.

But if people are saying, well, he's a trained fighter, he can't fake it like the wrestlers.

No,

this is, if you're a trained fighter or a talented amateur, this is attempted murder of an unconscious body.

There's no defense whatsoever.

It wasn't landing punches on someone who's trying to defend themselves and they're blocking you.

This was a downed opponent who was out cold.

Then he decided to start throwing as many punches as he could.

Yes.

And the thing is, so when Doug's pulling him off and Doug is actually a fucking challenge,

if Roger got a fucking chance to get on top of him, what do you think he'd have fucking done?

Because now you've got to be scared.

Oh, shit.

Somebody fucking fighting back here.

I got to panic even more because he was in the zone.

Because apparently the.

42 fucking people that watched this guy wander around his life on camera were winding him up like, you're going to let that guy get away with that, hitting you in the head with that can and everything.

And I guess now people are saying that his father verbally abuses him, belittles him, fucking is just a dick or whatever in some fashion.

So this guy's got mental, and

did you love that?

Hold on, I may be jumping ahead, but god damn it, just all this is so crazy.

Old Rampage.

When he puts out a statement saying, oh, I can't believe my son did this and I'm so ashamed of whatever he said, but he did suffer a concussion in sparring a few days ago.

He's already setting up a brain damage defense because his goddamn little felon fucking bitch pussy son is trying to kill unconscious people.

So anyway, back to this fucking deal.

So again.

Not only were there people in the ring, this was the referee, the rest of the match was happening,

whatever.

And Doug, who was over by the stage,

apparently not like it's a big building again, but this by his words, he was at the stage and he saw it and had to run in.

Other people could have chose to and they didn't.

And then, when the pull apart and he gets his eye busted, he headbutts the guy and they pull Jackson out of the

ring and they're taking him out.

Somebody else in the match covered the fucking guy that had just been goddamn beaten to a pulp and is bleeding out of his face face everywhere, covered him, and the referee counted it.

Can you rewind that and just have me say that again?

Because I don't know if I get those words out again.

And I guess at that point, too, that's when he was also choking on his own teeth and blood.

Yes, he was in the process of choking on all of the teeth that was described as a lot.

that got knocked out and the blood that was not only coming from inside of his mouth, but also in various parts of his face, somebody covers him, and the referee counts it

because they got to get the finish in.

And

I

again,

what kind of goddamn dog and fucking pony show?

See, that's the thing is, and I told you earlier today, I said, we ought to get Jay Shark NATO

to dig dig up when we talked about the developmental program i don't know how months and months ago and all the thousands of hours of audio we've done

and and i talked about

being the guy booking the third-party appearances and bookings for the talent in the 90s when i was in stamford and working in the office and how if the guys you know autograph sessions yes but also if the guys that didn't get booked often then and weren't on big contracts, if they could work for for some independent promoters,

that as long as they paid a booking fee and we knew that they wouldn't, the promoters were somewhat legitimate,

they would be allowed to do that.

It was a boon to the guys that ran decent shows.

But eventually after I left, because nobody wanted to fuck with it, they just said, well, nobody can wrestle anymore.

Actually, I think right before I left, nobody can wrestle anymore because we don't want to fuck with these people because something might happen to get them in the fucking newspaper or get them on TV and pen.

And there's a WWE guy standing next to the scene of the fucking crime or whatever.

30 years later, nothing has changed.

That's why they

this WWE ID thing.

And they give it out to this again.

It's in the family.

Oh, it's Rikishi's thing.

Okay, whatever.

But Jesus says Christ, Rikishi ought to know better if his name's going to be on it.

If he ain't there,

he ought to have people that know what the fuck they're doing.

And you can tell that they don't actually, none of them know what the fuck they're doing, to be honest with you, this wrestling school, allegedly, in quotation marks, because none of these people would be in a legitimate one,

except for Doug.

Because everybody else looked like a goddamn bunch of fucking

foons.

So anyway,

they drag Roger Jackson out and they take him out the building and he starts walking down the street with his cameraman saying, I'm tired of these motherfuckers taking advantage of me.

I ain't playing.

And he's just walking down the street, you know, said

further admitting, confessing to, yeah, this motherfucker ain't going to fly with me.

And then some of the fucking wrestlers, allegedly, in quotation marks that were on the show, were brave enough to come to within a block of him and yell horrible words at him.

After he just beat up one of the boys on the fucking cart and put him in a hospital, how did that motherfucker get out of the building?

I mean, Jesus

Christ.

What do you think if somebody to fucking

in Crockett,

almost nobody liked tully but if somebody had beat the fuck out of tully he would have got 10 feet the whole rest of the card would have ripped him into pieces hey travis scott smack cody in the ear

just walked in the back smiling and high five and everyone everyone told me he did a great job

but you have to think there was an if there was an assault like that you'd have to think there'd be a line of people

if not running to the ring, waiting for the person to get in the back.

You would have to think that.

Well, they didn't go to the back.

He went out the side or or whatever.

I'm told that there wouldn't have been a wait for to come to the back, and there was no back in this goddamn building.

There was plenty of ass, but no back.

All those other wrestlers were standing around with their dicks in their hands.

They probably couldn't find their own dicks because they were such pussies.

And one guy is a guy to get on this motherfucker.

I did that.

So I again,

and then they call an ambulance and fucking take him.

And he was critical, but stable was the description after the fact.

I don't know that one of those doesn't contradict the other.

I guess you can, well, he's no change.

He's still fucking critical.

But

I know,

let me try to walk this through step by step and explain how, in any kind of legitimate professional environment, not only just because they're affiliated with the WWE, but just taking pride in anything you fucking do.

Or is it just a money grab for the in-laws or the dehydrated alpha or whatever?

But I'm not even going to talk about, oh, we'd have done it this way at Ohio Valley Wrestling, even though I'm going to talk about that in part.

But the reason why we did it that way was because it was the way that it was done every goddamnwhere else that I'd ever been, that it had ever been successful or professional or fucking just not allow stupid things like this to happen.

This is

another one of those modern phenomenons, phenomenons

that could never happen in the legitimate professional wrestling industry.

Everybody's internet smart.

Yes, if you have a low-budget school and you got a low-budget show,

then

ball means dress out in a parking lot under a tent.

That's, there's no shame in that.

You don't have to be too poor to paint and too proud to whitewash.

That's fine.

But the first thing is, nobody needs to be drinking beer, even if it's a Saturday afternoon and it's good weather because it's California.

There's no drinking till after the show, number one.

Number two,

how the fuck did Roger Jackson just wander into the, even if it's the dressing room,

even if the dressing room is outdoors in a parking lot, it's in the back, it's not accessible to the public.

A guy brought him in there that's friends with him.

Hey, my friend, come on down and hang out with me, and I'll take you back here and we'll talk to all the boys.

No.

On camera.

Oh, well, I'm not even there yet.

Just the idea of, I'm sorry.

If you're if it's a friend of yours or your brother-in-law or your fucking fucking wife or your sister or your uncle or whoever the fuck family member or member of your social circle it is, they ain't in the fucking locker room.

They're just not there.

The people that are allowed in the locker room,

and I know everybody's going to say in the WWE, they've got camera personnel and it's, okay, fuck you.

I'm talking about a goddamn wrestling show.

And especially at a wrestling school where you're supposed to teach these principles.

Nobody in in the locker room except the boys that are on the card, whether it be wrestlers, referees, managers, anybody that's on the card part of the show, your ring announcer, and your local promoter.

And that's it.

In the territories, even the goddamn uniformed police weren't often allowed in the locker room.

And a lot of building managers had to be insulted.

But we're renting the building for these four hours tonight.

So you can't go in the locker room.

It was for a variety of reasons to protect Kayfabe,

to cut down on, because guys, especially when it was a cash business or guys had jewelry or shit,

the fewer guys in the locker room, something goes missing, fewer suspects.

And also because.

It was just goddamn protocol.

And you didn't,

on spot shows, a guy might bring his kid and the kid, we'd send the kid to run errands, you know, like that type of thing.

That was a little,

you know, a little bending the rules, but whatever the fuck, but there was not this goddamn, oh, we can just bring anybody.

If cowboy hat guy had wanted to bring the son of a celebrity, whether he's an MMA fighter or a goddamn noted goddamn contortionist on the Ed Sullivan show,

He should have gone to whoever was running the show, either as the booker or as the promoter, and said, I've got a celebrities kid wants to meet the boys.

And then you set up a separate fucking deal.

And so in OVW or in any other promotion that I've worked in or been responsible for.

Number one, the guy, the cowboy hat guy, would have got yelled at for bringing the guy back to begin with.

And then secondly,

with a camera

broadcasting to the world.

No, and

no,

not even for K-Fabe reasons, but also for whatever guy walks out of the fucking port-a-potty with his dick out.

But, and, and again, there weren't the camera phones in OVW or in the territories, but people had video cameras.

If a guy had come in, that's what I'm talking about.

This school is a bogus fucking insult to wrestling schools.

If they have no more structure, no more discipline, no more control than what they have.

And they have taught any of these guys no more than what they've taught them.

If a guy came in with a visitor unauthorized, he'd have been kicked out in the OVW locker room.

If a guy came with a camera.

or a friend with a camera, he would have not only been booted, he might have been fucking expelled in the locker room without permission.

Then,

if any of the boys sitting around happened to see somebody with a camera and some other people talking and just went up and inserted themselves in it for whatever reason without being told,

he would have got cussed out.

And if he'd have picked up a fucking can and hit a guy that he's never seen before

and hadn't been told to, he would be expelled and told to get the fuck out now.

Except if, like, he psycho Stu

is one of those guys

that maybe he doesn't pick up on things too quick and it's just him, okay,

Stu, you can't be doing that, but you did got custody nevertheless at the time.

Just a regular

person, he would have got expelled.

And instead of dehydrated office, standing up and just joshing,

in my position, I would have been the one cussing at the guy for hitting the other guy the head with the can, cussing at the guy for being in a locker room, cussing at the guy for bringing the guy in the locker room, and cussing at the guy with the fucking camera phone.

Get the fuck, all of you get the fuck out of here.

So there's that, but then

they decided to make us make something out of it and put him in a spot,

which means apparently either somebody,

was it cowboy hat guy, maybe dehydrated off of maybe he's had enough of fucking stew.

Well, let this fucking kid go in and leg dive him and give him a fucking receipt, as they call it.

Yeah, why make something of this?

For who?

For there's no reason.

For nobody.

How would it?

Oh, would it increase their exposure to the 70 people watching Raja?

Oh, it's increased their exposure exposure now.

But I don't believe that.

Really?

Most watch indie match of all time now.

Yes, from ex fucking indie.

But so they're going to make something out of it to

fuck with fucking Stu in some fashion at the simplest, basic terms.

They're going to fuck with Stu for being an idiot, hit him with a can, let him leg dab him, give him a shot.

And of course, they don't

they don't even bother to think through a receipt.

What's that?

Give him a good one.

What is that?

Are you saying punch him in the mouth, but don't hit him in the goddamn cheek or the fucking eye or don't break his nose or good lord, don't

kick him in the balls so hard that his fucking testicles explode.

That could be a good one.

or a shot or whatever.

There's no,

there's no instruction whatsoever

and here's another thing and i don't care if it's a wrestling school or a promotion and as a manager over the 35 years from start to finish that i was doing i've worked with non-wrestling people radio disc jockeys or celebrities of some element that had to do something similar

I had a mixed tag team match with me and Stan Lane against Tim Horner and the principal of the East High High School in Morristown, Tennessee.

Jerry Williams, the stiffest old bastard that ever stepped foot in a wrestling ring,

because we taught him how to body slam me and pin me.

And we didn't think to fucking tell him not to put the point of his elbow into my goddamn Adam's apple when he was pinning me and permanently mutilate me.

But to point you, don't

let any non-wrestling people,

and that even extends to managers and referees.

Sometimes,

if you want something not only to look good, but to be safe,

there's extensive verbal communication if a walkthrough is not possible

and

it's kept very basic.

And you have, I've never just let two.

I mean, Psycho Stu, he may have been training for a long time, but you know, I don't know how experienced he might be.

But you don't let really green people in there doing their own thing to each other.

You have experience around them, whatever.

This was completely unprofessional and totally bullshit and small-time outlaw mud show.

They didn't care what it looked like.

There's nobody there.

They have no pride in what they're fucking doing.

Let's just let this fucking guy fuck with this other guy.

And what was, and he's Roger Jackson is sitting there on the front row, and you can only see people on two sides of the ring.

I don't know if there's anybody behind where the fuck, right?

And maybe there were 27 people there.

But he's sitting there saying he's going to do all this.

And then when he slides in

and they shoot it, and he does everything

that he said he was going to do,

Nobody would have ever called that to begin with.

So it's not like

that they were making so, what was his impetus to do that?

He had not even been in front of the meager audience that was there.

There was no cause for him to just suddenly jump in there and do that.

They're just like, who the fuck is this guy?

And if they're trying to make people believe it's real,

then idiot Jackson has already told him that they told him to do that.

But he's also

told the people watching his stream that he's not going to do what they said.

He's going to really fuck the guy up.

So who is this for?

Maybe for the district attorney, we'll find out.

I have a statement, Jim.

Please.

This was put out by AJ Mana, M-A-N-A, if that is how you pronounce it.

He was the cowboy hat wrestler.

I want to take a moment to address the recent incident and Knox Pro.

By the way, it's such a stupid spelling.

K-N-O-K-X.

Knox Pro.

First and foremost, my thoughts are with Psycho Stu and his family.

No one ever wants to see a fellow performer get seriously hurt.

There's been a lot of speculation online about my role that night.

The truth is, I was in character and speaking.

Oh, geez.

Oh, go, come on.

And speaking in the language of wrestling.

Everything I said was part of the show, and I never intended or encouraged real harm.

This was a situation that unfortunately got out of hand due to a miscommunication behind the scenes.

Wrestling is built on trust, respect, and protecting each other in the ring.

That's what I stand for.

And anyone who has worked with me knows that.

I respect this business.

Apparently Doug doesn't.

I respect this business.

I respect the fans.

And I respect the performers who step between those ropes.

I hope we can focus on Stu's recovery and making sure something like this never happens again.

Yeah, this was the guy that Doug said was a skinny chicken-legged little bitch that had been, had his ass kicked on a couple of fucking backyard fights and wanted to get somebody that was halfway trained to do his fighting for him was Doug's description of the guy that just uttered that statement.

And actually, from the interview, I saw those are almost his exact words.

Yeah, I thought he was very eloquent.

Yeah,

got down to the summation of the fucking thing.

This is like Colin Thompson putting out that statement saying, Here are ways we could help the creators and change the business.

But anyway, so the thing is, is that

obviously the WWE cut their, they immediately dropped these people off all the social media and they don't have an ID

of

deal of what for whatever that was worth anymore.

But just again, as speaking as a person who's offended as a professional who used to own a legitimate wrestling training program.

The fucking guy and his cameraman should have never been in the middle of the boys without being cleared and having someone

escort him to meet anybody he wanted to meet or do something like that.

Instead of just coming up and bullshit and shooting video on his own that wasn't cleared.

When fucking Stu hit the guy in the head with a can despite not having anybody tell him to do that.

Somebody should have calmed Stu down and maybe told him to go home for the day at least.

I don't know whose brilliant idea it was for this

surly fucking

Raja Jackson, who obviously wasn't taking things in a fucking fun spirit,

to just suddenly jump into this match and spinebuster this guy and even to do a spot where he...

Again, what was the plan?

Give it a receipt.

Was that the spinebuster that knocked him out?

Or did they expect that he'd get on top of of him and throw working punches?

Did anybody show him how to do that or ask him whether he was going to do it?

Or did they just leave it open to his interpretation

as to how he should strike the guy once?

And then he proceeds to do it 22 more times.

And a guy from the back, when there's motherfuckers in the ring,

except for the teenage, the underage minor

whose parents should be in contact with the insurance company, if any,

of this fucking outlaw operation.

Besides the underage miner, the guy from the back of the building was the one to get in there and do something about it while all these other motherfuckers were holding their dicks in their hands.

That spot had to

go through who?

Who's running that show?

Who's fucking that dog?

And who's just holding its head?

Who is the person in charge on behalf of the corporate entity that owns this fucking flea market

that said, okay, let's do that spot in this match on the show?

This fight.

What spot?

The spot where he fucking takes him down and goddamn does whatever the fuck to him.

Because the whole idea, we're going to do something with this on the show.

What were they going to do?

This guy's not a trained wrestler.

What was he supposed to do?

That's what they said, double-leg him and get a receipt.

That's what I'm saying.

And who approves that to be a part of the fucking match?

Or is this a, hey, kids, let's put on a show where the boys just come up with their own shit in their match?

In which case, why the fuck is a WWE involved?

Oh, I forgot.

Oh.

Family.

Well, but they're not anymore, but they were originally because of the fucking family.

So he puts his name on this and he lets this shit go on.

And by the way, so then, hold on, hold on.

I'm not even done with the list yet.

God damn it.

Now that I'm mad.

So then somebody allowed this to happen and thought they was going to get a receipt.

And then he gets 22 more and nobody will fucking come in.

And then the fucking guy comes in and pulls.

And then

the motherfucker covers him and a referee counts it.

Have these people,

they are fantasizing that they are wrestlers.

There is no level.

There is no bar of competence anymore.

There is no level of achievement.

It used to be a halfway goddamn difficult thing

to get into the goddamn wrestling business and you didn't come in thinking you were smart because you were internet smart.

There was no internet.

But if you thought you were smart, you kept your mouth shut

and you had people that had been doing this for years and years.

teach you how the fucking thing worked.

And none of these powder, they might be a veteran dehydrated offa.

He's 100 years old.

He might be a veteran, but he's an idiot.

If he's responsible for any of this,

you can be 100 years old and still be a goddamn nobody idiot.

There is no excuse for this on any level that any kind of operation.

should be run like this.

And the fact that now it is so easy for everybody to just call themselves, I'm a wrestler.

i'm a professional wrestler i'm a i'm a worker

and i'm working all the time baby

in your heads you goddamn amateurs i'm so sick and fed up with this

none of y'all out there

i don't care how smart you think you are you ain't as smart as you think you are to the wrestling business And whether it's the fucking guys that want to fantasize that they're fucking wrestlers on the weekends and then goddamn drink beer and fucking shave half their heads on the fucking weekdays to look like some kind of goddamn gimmick and parade around and say, I'm a big time wrestler or the fucking little jack off local yokels that make Jack Pfeffer look like P.T.

Barnum that want to run these mud shows.

Or the goddamn marks that want to dissect whose fault is it?

Well, it's, he said he's going to get a receipt.

You fucking morons on both sides of it.

You're all fucking morons.

You have a simpleton's understanding of this industry that has almost been lost today because everybody thinks they're fucking smart.

So, this wrestling school ought to be shut fucking down.

Roger Jackson ought to go to goddamn prison.

I think the family of Stu

should file civil suits against

everybody that's involved in this that might have any kind of fucking homeowner's insurance,

at least to cover anything, everybody, from the top all the way up to Rampage

for fucking impregnating whatever hyena spawned this goddamn simpleton.

And then I think they ought to give 25% of it to fucking Doug for being the only fucking person to be of any help whatsoever in the whole goddamn thing.

I'm sorry, but I'm kind of just ticked off.

And it's understandable.

Speaking of Doug, the interview he did that we referenced earlier was on the scaling up podcast.

It's on YouTube.

We encourage people who are interested to check out this video interview.

They also put up graphics allegedly

from the school, Knox Pro,

to various students or wrestlers that work with them, encouraging them not to talk to the police.

Did you see that?

Actually, no, I didn't.

I missed that.

But maybe I did.

Well, no, as a matter of fact, I saw a headline and I didn't click on it.

I just realized that.

Apparently, encouraging them not to cooperate with the police, and all the students, or at least a good amount of them, responded, Yes, sir.

Every one of them, yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir.

Uh, speaking of WWE,

WWE has removed Knox Pro from its talent recruitment website.

The promotion has removed the WWE ID branding from social media.

And the WWE ID Twitter account has unfollowed Knox Pro,

Rikishi, and the head trainer Black Pearl.

So WWE distancing themselves.

It makes you wonder why they originally even

just associated with it.

Obviously, the Samoans

tied in, but you know, Miro came out of that school.

I saw he tweeted out something, but

a school is more than who owns it.

And, you know, that maybe a lot of people were spoiled over the years by what you were doing in OVW, people like Tom Pritchard out there, people who took it all serious.

Like you said, everything you see on that video beyond going past the attempted murder, everything else was concerning just in terms of the

maintenance and operation of an alleged wrestling company, whether it's a promotion or a school.

That anybody, that any of the, and I mean, okay,

let's say that nobody was a real

fighter pinocchio and wanted to jump this guy but that they covered him afterwards and somebody counted just that and and just the the way that they talk to each other it's it's all

internet smart

outlaw bullshit it's minor league it's amateurish it's and that's the thing that's got so much publicity

mainstream publicity yeah mainstream publicity that they just say a pro wrestler or pro wrestling event, and you look at that and

people, again, mainstream, they don't know the difference whether it's WWE, AEW, just pro-wrestling.

Look at these low-rent, this bullshit that happens as wrestling.

That's what gives the wrestling business a bad name.

And

I'm sorry, there was a lot of OVW shows that Danny Davis wasn't at.

He was the owner.

He was the wizard of Oz, the man behind the curtain.

There was a lot of shows he wasn't at, but he knew everything that went on.

And there were people there, whether it was me or a few others in his absence, that would not have tolerated any of that.

And everybody up and down the card.

before they were even allowed to be out in public in front of their first audience, their first match, would have known the basic principles that I just outlined and none of that shit would have ever fucking happened.

Just, and that's just in the most basic of principles, their structure and protocol in the wrestling business.

And these people are just internet smart and fantasizing about doing shit on weekends.

And yes, Miro.

may have come from there.

And the reason why that they try to keep California wrestling schools on their radars because there's always some fucking

fighter or want to be bodybuilder, or depending on the generation, when they wanted bodybuilders, they were in California.

When they want fighters, they're in California.

When they want fucking models, they're in California.

But once they get a John Cena, it was in California.

But once they find them, they get them the fuck out of there and then they train them.

These, a lot of of these guys, unfortunately, you know,

they're doing this on weekends.

I'm, I don't mean to, I'm offended for this fucking guy who didn't deserve to get his face bashed in just because he's not a goddamn Mensa member.

And just the business and the business of schools and the business of how it has been prostituted and how

easy and simple it has become for anybody to act like they're a part of something that they would have never ever been able to be a part of on merit before

i yield the floor and we'll see what happens obviously there's been a lot of mainstream coverage of this and a lot of it has even centered on when will this guy be arrested what's actually going on with this you'd have to think that unless they're just going to ignore that video that just came out that

he has to be arrested who Who could do this and not, how can you do this and not be arrested?

I don't know what it's taking this long.

And

did Rampage have the Connor McGregor money?

Did he just buy this off?

I don't know if he could do it that quickly because also I don't know if it's going to go away.

You know, in the past, something like this, if this took place in

a state in the south, this may destroy wrestling for anyone else wanting to promote wrestling in the state.

That's the kind of thing that used to happen in the past.

But,

you know, we'll see what happens with all this.

You got to think if there's any lawsuit, it won't just be Roger Jackson.

It'll be the promotion.

They allowed this all to happen for no good reason.

No one can give me any reason why.

Hey, you know what?

It'd be a good idea if we do some kind of angle with Rampage Jackson's son, who no one knows.

I don't think so.

Well, and again,

as a matter of fact, I would be more than happy to lend a free and uncompensated statement on behalf of a person who ran a wrestling school at a pretty high level.

All the various things that they did that was unprofessional and shouldn't have been done.

And

it's almost the list of everything they did past brush their teeth that morning.

Well, but I like, but Doug's my man.

I like Doug.

And again, you can see that interview that just went up last night, I believe, as we are recording.

And

that's that story.

We'll stay on top of it.

I just hit something here.

We'll stay on top of it as we find out more information.

Jim,

it's always awkward, but why not go with it?

You know, perhaps you're one of these guys that thinks I'm a physical guy.

I do MMA.

I do boxing.

I've always liked wrestling.

Whatever it may be.

I want to go and be a wrestler.

How many of these men would spend their time more wisely if they just created some sort of concoction and launched a website and started selling it to the world and we know the perfect partner for this alleged concoction

well it depends on what kind of concoction now because you can't make a concoction without cock

And there's no, you know, there's no limit to the thing.

Well, it's just

going, sir.

You got to think it all the way through, see?

But what about a potion or a lotion?

A potion that could cause emotion and make you need lotion for motion.

Whatever you want to make or produce, let's say.

Production is the key.

Control production.

You got to have a market.

You got to have a marketplace.

You got to have somebody.

You got to have customers is what you need ultimately.

And so in between the time that you make something, Brian.

And the customer buys that thing from you, there's steps you need to go through.

And you need somebody on your side.

And Shopify is that person because Shopify

actually some double lingual plural shit.

There, Shopify is a major corporation, not a person.

Yes, and did you hit a sour one there?

That was that

little girl's pigtails getting the way of the bells.

It's not a kid on a bike, it's the official Shopify jingle.

Yes, that's not really a jingle, though.

That's more of a wringle.

It's the official Shopify sonic branding.

Ah,

but Shopify is not a person.

It's a giant empire.

So I can't say Shopify is the person.

But nevertheless, Shopify is the huge empire behind millions of businesses around the world, their commerce platforms, 10% of all e-commerce in the United States.

Think of how many billions and billions of dollars.

that that entails goes right through Shopify and that purple pay button.

Somebody takes their finger, boom, hits that button.

You get money if you are indeed the person they're buying from.

And that's what Shopify is going to help you do.

They're going to take your thing, whatever your thing is that you want to sell.

Certain restrictions apply in some states.

And they're going to market that thing.

They're going to design the website.

They're going to enhance your product images.

They're going to write the descriptions.

They're going to generate the discount codes.

They're going to run the easy to run email and social media campaigns.

It's going to get your word out.

And then

if all else fails, they're going to go door to door, knock on people's doors, and they're going to have a small bucket in their hand.

They're going to say, please give, please give to this needy the assets.

And every time that

somebody gives and they ring that bell that an angel

turns around and gets a hot dog.

There's going to be no angels with hot dogs.

And of course, they don't go door to door.

It is something where they are there for you when you need need them online where all commerce is done to you.

Oh, so they're there for you, but at a distance.

They're not going to crowd you, is what you're saying.

You won't be crowded.

You'll be able to operate your business the way you would.

You'll be able to sell your products the way only you

well.

Don't tell them that.

If they operate the business the way they will, they'll go out of business.

They'll go broke.

No, they need Shopify because Shopify is smarter than these knuckleheads out there.

That's right.

That's right.

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Dearly beloved,

we now have to travel to the UK for AEW's British spectacular

Forbidden Door.

In the past, it was filled with a lot of wrestlers from New Japan or CML.

And it seems like that number shrinks every year.

It was mostly AEW wrestlers with some of the semi-regulars that appear throughout the year on Dynamite.

Well, now they all just pop up.

So it's not like it's the once a year you get to see these people because they,

and also there's not that many new people anymore.

but and some of these people are very old but nevertheless i think you you hit the right tone there with the

it's like a a cathedral setting type of thing um they're preaching to the choir is what i'm trying to say

because i actually watch this thing

the prime video doesn't bug me as bad as the netflix brian I get a little box at the bottom of the screen when I pause it and fast forward it where I can see

that I'm skipping shit that I want to skip and I'm not skipping shit that I don't want to skip.

So it's it's handier,

but it wasn't bad, the prime video.

But

the show is continuing to preach to the choir.

And I'm afraid

that the congregation continues to get just burned out on a lot of stuff.

And

they have a wonderful house in London, 18,900, whatever, the biggest wrestling crowd in

the O2 arena history.

They haven't killed London yet.

The big show is still a big show for them over there.

Over there, say a prayer, because the talent's over, the talent's over,

and we can't get over unless we're over there.

They're doing the music hall in Cincinnati in the United States, and they've got 18,000 people in England.

But what did they have to do

that was any different or even as good as the shit they've been doing over here to

lackluster crowds and diminishing response because they've burned everything out.

And now

they opened up Forbidden Door with

a great package for their audience because it all concentrated on the legendary and

groundbreaking partnership with New Japan Pro Wrestling and CMLL, global stars,

action highlights.

The average person has no idea who 80% of the people in the action highlights that are called global stars are.

The open didn't build stars, individual stars on either the roster roster or this particular event and/or rivalries between same or explain them.

The focus was on international wrestlers.

Do you think that's a good

mainstream strategy to try to get anybody involved in your program?

Was that a question for me?

Yes, that's a question for you.

I mean, they're micro-targeting to

a Tony Khan-type fan.

And that's why the fans who seem to like the booking,

when the booking seems awful, the fans that seem to like promos sometimes when they just seem unbelievable and fake,

there's a certain fan base that really likes his style of TV.

and non-stop matches where, you know, everything is a long competitive squash match.

Even on this show, there were a bunch of matches

you knew who was going to win and you knew there was no reason they need to go 20 minutes.

TV matches.

But it's all the time now.

I almost wonder, would they lose any audience if instead of a 20-minute match, that's a long competitive squash match, they put three squash matches in that time and it was just three wrestlers coming out there and looking good?

But it's not the way they do things.

And,

you know, there's a lot of reasons to

want to root for AEW and want AEW to be able to fight back against WWE, but then you watch what it is, and then you hear Tony talk.

I watched a media scrum afterwards,

he's so happy with himself,

and he really thinks he is someone who has this down.

And unfortunately, there aren't too many people in the wrestling business who think he does.

It's micro-targeted to

the tape trader who went to message boards and not even all of them

and the thing he has tools here and and besides the the big house because london i mean it's not it's not wimbly but still 20 000 people or whatever he has stars he has people that are over with the audience but it's like a jigsaw puzzle that's put together all wrong and

The first match, Edge's entrance, he comes out.

He's still over over there.

I won't sing again.

And they cut his music, and the whole crowd sang the last two verses.

It's like a star has come out.

And Christian came out and he got a response to.

And it's the reunion of Edge and Christian.

And then here comes

Pip Sabian and

the former.

Well,

she'll never drown.

She's got that going for her.

And they've substituted now our old friend Dino

Douche Luchasaurus, who

they are insisting on calling Kill Switch, even though all the fans keep chanting Luchasaurus at him, because

apparently that would disrupt the whole angle.

I don't know why.

And the fans stood there.

The crowd was deflated.

This was a a TV match for Edge and Christian's reunion.

And that to me is, you know,

they've got this convoluted deal going on where, well, you help me with Nick, who now his foot is broken.

So now it's Dino and Pip,

and I'll help you with FTR.

But

geez, OPete.

Nobody wants to see these

guys.

And Luchasaurus, they want to see him, but they don't want to see Kill Switch, and they want to see him switch, which I

apparently they're going to do because this match, again, Edge and Christian return.

You can tell a hundred stories, but not at the same time.

Not only did we get Edge and Christian's

reunion,

but also they had to put the lizard's stuff over as a giant.

They couldn't just completely, you know, make him secondary, but then

they've still got to get over themselves.

But then that means Pip gets the shit kicked out of him, but nobody gives a shit when Pip's in the ring.

When Pip's in the ring, they're chanting for the lizard to get back in the ring.

Yeah, the fans may have sang Edge's song, but once the match got going, they were chanting for Luchasaurus the whole time.

Well, yes, because again,

they want him to be a babyface.

Well, then now, because Christian used to mistreat him, now for some reason, Pip, who's nobody in this thing and has no reason to disrespect Luchasaurus,

starts slapping him to tag him and telling him what to do.

And,

you know, finally,

he the lizard grabbed Pip and threw him at Edge, but the crowd didn't get it because of the way that

they did it.

There was no, I don't,

there was ideas of good spots in here, but neither Luchasaurus nor Pip is a good bumping worker to take bumps.

But as a psychologist, I don't know.

And

as we've said a million times, Dino's just the shits.

He don't get it.

And with the heel team not being a good team, the match died

until, you know, finally they got into the go-home part.

And then Edge, the veteran, the biggest star in the thing, back elbowed Pip in the corner and busted his eye open.

Jesus Christ,

they're all fucking crazy now.

And then Dino chopped Pip off the apron of the ring and threw him in the ring, but Mama Wayne distracted Christian and Pip knocked Christian off the apron, and they got more heat on Edge.

But then Pip went for a superplex on Edge, and

Luchasaurus comes under his own partner

and puts him on his shoulders and stands there

while Edge comes off the top of the clothesline, a doomsday device.

And the announcers were saying, Well, I wonder if that was on purpose.

So fucking just picked the guy up and stood there and stock still for the other guy to hit him.

And then that wasn't a turn.

I don't know what they're fucking doing here.

Oh my God, I've got a cramp.

Oh, I've got a cramp in my rib.

So

this whole thing's a rib and I've got a cramp.

Then

Dino got out and reached for the tag from Pip and got it

after he allowed the guy that held him up to be doomsday deviced,

and then Edge finally tagged Christian,

and then Christian did some shit, and

Edge and Christian double-teamed Luchasaurus, and the fans sang something.

I could not tell what.

And it's still going on now.

Bunch of back and forth, and then Christian

boosted Pip up in the air, and Edge speared him one, two, three.

So it just, the good that there was no furniture, that was a good thing.

And Edge and Christian didn't do anything crazy to potentially injure themselves.

But the interaction between the heels, the heel team not,

they're not a good team if they're trying to be a good team.

And they're not good enough workers to be a good team while trying not to be a good team.

If that makes any sense.

And they drug it down.

And

to be honest, Pip and Nick wouldn't have been any better.

Maybe if they'd have made it shorter and they'd have taken more bumps for Edge and Christian, but they probably wouldn't.

They'd have probably still made it long

and got a bunch of their shit in and their small children.

But there you have it.

You know, I'm at the point where I hate Cope's matches and I hate his promos.

But I'm still happy for him when he gets to come out there and his actual fans on both sides of the building and he can do his run around and

like feel like he used to.

I'm already sick of the people singing the music.

Maybe I'm a cranky guy.

I don't know.

Everyone sings everything.

But when they turn the music off and intentionally give it a long gap so people can keep singing, and then they film the fans and there are fans who have like their hands in the air looking up.

Like it's Christian rock or something.

Like they're really in the like, yeah, like as they're singing it.

Enough of this because that's the problem.

It's going to be like Judas.

They're going to milk this every single week.

We're a minute of TV time is going to be taken up by fans singing at us.

Well, in this case, it's better than Jericho singing at us.

I still can't get over the idea that Nick Wayne's not there and his mom flew across the country.

I thought the whole idea she was there was because her son was hired.

I don't, who knows?

Well, yeah, because, you know, he's home laid up with a broken foot.

I mean, she's going to miss what, three or four breastfeeding sessions.

All right.

Well, there's that.

What do you think of, I mean, any any other closing thoughts on the reunion of Edge and Christian?

Obviously, we'll talk about the tag title situation later.

There's a show coming up in Toronto.

There was ever a spot to

have two Toronto guys win the tag titles.

Any other thoughts on these two guys reuniting?

Well,

but the thing is, they ain't going to win the tag titles because FTR aren't the tag team champions.

Spoiler alert.

And their whole reason for reason d'etre, as they say,

is to now fight FTR, right?

For stabbing Edge in the back.

So, Edge at Edge and Christian against FTR is going to be a better match.

But

the tag, oh, fucking hell.

We'll get to the tag team title.

Because we got to do the TNT title first.

Brian, did you

get a gander, a little glance at Kyle Felcher against Takahashi?

I did.

I also saw Kyle Fletcher at the Fletcher.

I can't even say his name.

I also saw Kyle Fletcher at the media scrum afterwards in a suit

as well-spoken and behaved a wrestling ambassador as I've ever seen in one of these media scrums.

I had to remind myself he's this asshole heel of Don Callis.

Well, but

that is part of the problem here is that this guy has incredible genetics, athleticism, the physique, the size, the look.

He's obviously intelligent.

He's got some charisma.

He's got so much potential.

He's never going to learn anything here, but the bad habits that he doesn't already know.

He knows how to do the moves, but he's not going to get

any idea of why to do them and how to put matches together and how to book wrestling from this nonsense he's in the middle of.

And he's again

too inclined to go into the video game mode where you're just doing shit rather than,

you know, I mean, he's the next generation Randy Orton,

maybe, if he doesn't get brain poisoning here.

But they put him,

yet again, you know, you said he came off great at the press conference, but whatever the case, whether heel or babyface,

he, I don't know how long this match went.

I zoned out for a while.

But they put this kid, as good as he looks, and he's the TNT champion,

and the best

entrant from the forbidden door they could come up with.

What Takahashi is like five foot six, pudgy fat, wearing green tennis shoes and green tights with pink feathers and pink hair.

What the?

Is this a guy that's a star in Japan?

You're more versed in that than I am.

Why the fuck would he give?

He's giving away a foot and a significant amount of athletic ability, and he looks ridiculous.

Yep.

This little pink marshmallow, and he's power bombing

Kyle on the floor, and he's kicking the shit out of him.

And it, it,

who, who is this fucking guy?

He's a longtime regular for New Japan Pro Wrestling.

He's been wrestling for a long time.

Their fans seem to like him.

Doesn't do much for me.

Well, and this was a long squash match, what it should have been.

Yes.

It's a long

it wasn't a squash match.

Well, it was.

That's the point.

It was.

Because you knew right away that he wasn't winning the TNT title from Kyle Fletcher.

Oh, I know that, but a squash match is if Kyle had just beat the shit out of him.

Although, no, this little fucking pink Japanese marshmallow is beating the shit out of Kyle for a good portion of this thing.

I mean, at least he can move.

He's not like Tanahashi

or...

Iji

or the other fellows that are just encased in goddamn plaster and can't move, he can move around, he looked like shit.

And then the finish: spoiler alert:

Kyle hits him with two great-looking fucking kicks, and the guy went down.

He didn't even cover him, he picked him up, and the guy small packaged him.

The guy just got his brains kicked out twice, small package, boom, but he pops up, and then Kyle picks him up and brainbusters him one, two, three.

And I don't who the fuck comes up with these fucking finishes.

But anyway, you match your young star with a lump of shit, and it's all he can do to beat him in 20 minutes.

I don't know what more to tell you.

Not you, Brian.

Not the royal you.

There's reasons why the door was once forbidden.

I guess this match may be one of those reasons.

You know, Jim, before we move on.

Yes.

Can we just talk real quick about the matches that you didn't mention that you didn't watch on the pre-show?

I forgot about that.

Again, they're in London.

It's a lot of plane tickets, a lot of hotel rooms.

It's a big show, but.

And they had to be there for several days, right?

Because they did Wednesday there and then they did Saturday or whatever the fancy.

They were in Scotland.

They actually, they've been traveling too, wasn't it?

Like they're just in London.

They're just schlepping all over the country over there.

Well, here are the matches that you missed.

An eight-man tag team match.

The paragon of Kyle O'Reilly and Roderick Strong versus El Desperado and Yuya Umura.

I'm not familiar with him, excuse me.

They defeated crew of Action Andretti and Leo Rush and the Don Callis family of Hetchichero and Josh Alexander with Lance Archer and Rocky Romero at ringside.

12 minutes and five seconds.

That is easily to from the United States to England.

That they just spent $15,000 just in plane tickets for that match.

The next contest, a trios match.

The Gates of Agony of Bishop Khan and Too Leona.

And Ricochet defeated Jet Speed.

And Michael Oku with his manager Amira Blair.

They're local, so they don't have to be flown in.

Nine minutes and 55 seconds.

So there's another bunch of people.

The next match on a pre-show, an eight-woman tag team match.

Oh, good lord.

The triangle of madness of Julia Hart, Sky Blue, and Tecla, and Megan Bain

with Penelope Ford defeated Harley Cameron, Chris Statlander, Queen Aminada, and Willow Nightingale 11 minutes and 15 seconds.

Did you hear, by the way, Aminada is stuck in the can't leave the country.

Somebody stole her bag with her passport in it.

Now she can't leave for like three or four more days or something.

They said on the internet, so it must be true.

I did not see that, but you know, I kind of thought Drew McIntyre might have started a new trend of extending my UK vacation.

But finally, Jim, on the pre-show, the ops of Shibata, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Samoa Joe defeated the Bullet Club War Dogs of Clark Connors, Drilla Maloney, and Robbie X with Gato.

Seven minutes and 20 seconds.

And like 50 people on the pre-show.

Well, that's, and you know, and I was actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I forgot about the pre-show.

It being an afternoon thing anyway,

I tuned in at one o'clock and I was going to praise them because the show was only four and a half hours long.

I realized now the show was six hours long.

I forgot about the pre-show.

Yeah, you missed also the awkward annual Martha Hart Hart Tony Kahn promo in front of a live crowd.

That's never

seemed the way it's supposed to go.

Does Martha Hart live in England now?

No.

No, but she's representing the Owen Hart Foundation, and this was.

I mean, I don't think she is.

Maybe she isn't.

I just don't know.

I had not.

Why would they fly her?

Why would she care to fly all the way from fucking Calgary to England just to come out and do a promo on a pre-show?

What's a good time to go there before the weather turns?

Well, speaking of turning, let's turn back to the event.

Brian, I'll ask you, what did you think of the big

four-way women's contest with Alex Windsor versus Bozilla versus Persephone versus Mercedes-Moon?

Persephone, aka Persephone, and doesn't she just look happy to be there?

She does look a little phony.

The big takeaway was: who's Bozilla?

Someone that young, that big?

Why hasn't WWE been all over that?

Get that in the system.

Well, now.

Excuse me.

I'm saying it in the middle.

Why ain't WWE be all over that?

You know, I'll tell you.

No, but she was.

I thought she was impressive, but I wasn't really into the match at all.

Well.

I'll have you know, this is where I found out that I got my little goddamn box so that I can fast forward to see what I'm missing.

And I fast forwarded about 15 minutes and just decided to stop in and check.

And I saw a triple superplex with a German suplex assist of all four of them off the fucking top rope.

And I fast-forwarded another five minutes or so.

That move always comes off naturally, doesn't it?

Oh, well, of course.

And it's easy to set up instantly with that cooperation.

And one of the girls went for a razor's edge on Mercedes, and she turned it into a roll-up one, two, three.

And that was with entrances of all these people and all their various tomfoolery.

It was probably, what, about 25 minutes or so of time.

Did I miss any of the fine points?

Like I said, Bozilla was the first time I've seen Bozilla.

I've seen the name before.

She seemed impressive.

You know, for

a division, whether it's AEW, WWE, they need women that don't just all look the same.

She stands out.

I would keep an eye on her.

Well, good.

Let her go ahead and stand on out there for a while and see if anybody notices her.

You know, the next match on the card came as a surprise to me because apparently they just told us about this on Collision, which we don't watch.

Or maybe they didn't tell us about it at all.

I don't know.

But Nigel, is Nigel McGinnis still doing commentary on Collision?

I would assume so.

I think so.

Having a great time on Saturday night.

Oh, quit now, for heaven's sake.

They prescribed him those hormones, and he speaks much more deeply now.

No, I love it.

I love you, Nigel.

I miss you.

And Nigel's a great guy, but

suddenly on this pay-per-view, here's the IWGP world title on the line.

with Zach Sabre Jr.

defending against Nigel McGinnis with Danny Garcia in his corner because

Nigel won a four-way to win the title shot.

And I guess he beat Danny or whatever the fuck.

But

so we've already had a TNT title.

We're going to have the AEW World title.

There's a unified fucking title going on around here.

Now, here's the IWGP world title.

And again, preaching to the choir.

Can you look at Zach Sabre Jr.

as any wrestling fan across the United States of America, the width and breadth of this fine land,

and tell me that any of them are going to buy this slightly built human q-tip

as the world champion of something important?

Yes, he does a wonderful job

mimicking the moves of the world of sport greats without any of the fucking

grit and fucking look and goddamn grunting and ugliness of the salty old-time British motherfuckers that did it.

It just looks silly when a guy like Sabre does it.

And Nigel is very good at it, but he's had

what are the three wrestling matches in the last 14 fucking years?

And he's primarily an announcer, but suddenly he wins a match for a world championship of something that's allegedly important.

And to train for it, we see Nigel beating Johnny Saint in a chess game out in the park.

And I get what they were going for.

And it's nice to see Johnny Saint, but

no, it's like,

did Frank Gifford go back to play for the NFL after he'd been doing the announcing for 10 years or so?

No.

No.

And then we get to see Marty Jones and,

you know, confused at ringside.

We get to see the old legends just looking befuddled at what is going on here.

But

that's just the thing is that

it's the complete opposite of a garbage furniture match that they usually have.

It's so dry, you had to watch it in the rain because they're paying tribute again to the

British style.

But it's

Nigel has in his day, in his athletic peak and he got a lot of his best years jacked out from under him for one reason or another

but he could hit hard and fucking

snatch shit but he's not gonna fucking go out there at this time or with I felt like he might hurt saber if he fell on him the wrong way this little twink is so slightly built you know when he came out there when he walked to the ring and he's wearing his jacket i said wow looks like he's actually put on some size finally good and then he took off his jacket i realized we're looking back the way we started.

But

I zoned out for a while because that's the thing.

And this slightly amused face that Sabre has when he's supposed to be doing reversals of a guy trying to grab him in wrestling holes irks me also.

And then he reversed a sunset flip.

One, two, three, and another about another 20 minutes.

I love the idea of doing athletic, technical-oriented matches amongst guys who are the practitioners of these things, but you can't do it in the middle of a six-hour show with a part-time guy and a skinny nobody.

And then they just shake hands and hug.

Okay.

My favorite thing about the match was the post-match because it looked like they may have been setting up an angle or something.

And instead, we got like kind of an awkward, everyone get out of the ring now.

We have an announcement to make.

Can y'all quit hugging and kissing on each other?

We got, yeah, we got to talk to Tony's there waiting on you motherfuckers to leave.

Right.

Didn't it seem like they were setting something up?

Yes.

Well, that's who they were.

They were trying to get Tony Shivati in the ring to talk about the big crowd, and they couldn't get to the fuckers.

But

you know what?

Honest to God, and again, it's the classic.

Eddie Graham used it as the example of a great athletic wrestling match that never drew money on top was Billy Robinson and Tony Charles.

But I would love to see them in their early 40s on a show like this to just have the people go out of their minds.

And it's like watching

to compare with those guys back then.

And even the Johnny Saints of the world, they were a little smooth.

I like the more smash mouth style that some of the salty bastards had.

But it's a difference in watching

a big-time magician in vegas and a guy doing like the local magic show equivalent of dinner theater

they're doing the same thing but it just looks so much more real

anyhow

then suddenly brian without warning As these things usually do when they happen suddenly, they also happen without warning.

Feckla and Queen Wayotta got in a fight in the back of the building and fought into the arena.

But Julia Hart and Blue Sky came out and jumped the queen.

And then Jamie Hayter came out and ran all the heels off by herself.

The end.

I get was that they just have unfinished business from the pre-show.

They said they'd been fighting for quite some time.

It started during that multi-person match or multi-woman match in the pre-show.

And Jamie Hayter, we haven't seen her in a little while.

Not necessarily wearing the same green to-do that she was wearing last time, but still, it seems kind of like a retro.

I'm just working hard as a waitress in like 1972.

Kind of looking gimmick with the hair and everything else.

I don't know what they're doing with Jamie Hayter.

She's just doing the best she can.

Believe it or not, they could bring back

Victa back.

They could bring back the butcher as their Vic Taybach and have him manage her.

She's a hard-working woman.

Bring Taybach back.

Bring back Taybach.

Bring back Taybach.

Yes.

And then, oh, then Rybach will try to make it all about him.

All right.

So anyway, the tag team title is on the line, folks, in a three-way

tag team match and a shocking conclusion that nobody ever could have predicted.

FTR versus the Hurt Syndicate versus Bandito and Burger King.

I'm sorry, Brody King.

I misread my nose.

Well, same thing.

And

there was no MVP with Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin.

The announcers,

I was never satisfied that I zoned out, but they never mentioned his name.

They did immediately at the top of the contest

and reiterated it at least a time or two during the match.

Well, now the match can end without the champions even being involved.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

You know, wink's as good as a nod to a blind man, Brian.

They don't have to be involved, they don't have to be in the room.

Exactly.

They got as far away from the system.

Yes, they get as far away from the scene of the fucking.

but so

again we're wondering why that

if mv and somebody said well mvp was never supposed to be there why

why

we'd like to know

and if

everything was cordial

And they come up with an excuse for everything else when they say, oh, MVP

missed his flight.

His flight was hijacked and flown to Cuba.

What is something?

So we need to keep an eye on this thing here.

And even if it's nothing, it looks stupid.

They didn't say anything because he's part of the fucking deal.

MVP missed his flight.

Anything.

Just say something.

You can't just pretend he was never there to begin with.

So then they ring the bell at its immediate six-way with the other four teaming up on Lashley and Benjamin all on the floor and the cameras missing shit.

And they do that for a couple of minutes.

And then they just don't get up on the ring and start a regular match with only two guys in the ring and all the other guys on the apron and taking tags.

After the announcers had said, well, there's no tags involved in this man.

They don't know what the fuck they're doing.

It's driving me crazy.

So then Shelton and Bobby beat up everybody and the fans are chanting, we hurt people, we hurt people.

They've got stars here.

They haven't been able to figure out anything for them to do to, in any way, make a goddamn contribution to the fucking gate.

And then

they got heat on Bandito, but FTR wouldn't tag Bandito.

They dropped down and refused his tag because they're heels too trying to get, you know, back in the old days, Brian,

in the four-team elimination matches they used to have, have

if you refused a tag it was an automatic disqualification that's how you could get the combinations you needed to get in they had no choice but nevertheless

finally bandito tagged burger king and there was a big pop

and sheldon tagged dax and king made a big comeback on ftr

And then there is a face-off with Lashley and King, and the people roared.

And they traded forearms and a couple of tackles.

And Lashley spine-bustered him, and he popped up and leveled Lashley.

And then that was, and then Selton came in and suplexed everybody and gave Brody three Germans.

And then somehow, Brody King and Cash gave Shelton the shatter machine inadvertently together.

And then,

oh, and Bandito picked up Dax and backflipped him off the top rope onto everybody.

But it looked like he basically they hit the floor.

He just

flipping power slam Dax off the top rope to the floor.

I hope they think this shit's worth it.

But then, suddenly, three guys in New Japan wrestling hoodies jump the hurt business, hurt syndicate,

and and they fight off out into the fucking hinterlands.

And the match keeps going on.

And then we find out that the

hoodie guys are Ricochet and his two stooges, whatever their fucking names are.

Well, but in the meantime, Dax just knocks Brodie King over the head with a chair and gets a two count.

And then they keep going

and they try to do do this fancy finish.

And by the way,

the herd business, herd syndicate, I keep doing that.

They fight off with the hoodie guys, and the hoodie guys are back out there.

The herds just left.

You never see them again.

As you mentioned,

they weren't even there.

So Bandito foils FTR when they're going for their superplex splash.

And Bandito splashed Dax off the top rope.

And right there,

he could have covered, but he didn't.

He gets up and runs to the far turnbuckle.

And Brody King squirms into place on his ass so he can get in the right place.

And Bandito runs and Brody monkey flips Bandito into a

450-degree splash onto Dax that he kind of missed,

but he landed there and he had the leg.

And the referee goes down to count one,

two, and Bandito let go of the leg

and started to roll off and then grabbed him again, got back on him, and the referee counted one, two, three again.

And the other wrestlers were like diving.

They didn't know what to do.

They're like mid-dive as all this like fell apart at the end.

So it was a horrible finish.

The hurt business, Hurt Syndicate are the only stars in this thing.

And they just

they can the bandito and Brody King couldn't take the simple win that they actually executed, they had to do that and it up at the last minute.

And

as you said earlier,

it'd be great to have Edge and Christian gets FTR for the title, but instead we got it on freaking frack here, the odd couple.

And so the guys that are going to face Edge and Christian next on a big show

just got beat.

By people not Edge and Christian.

Your thoughts.

Tag title change, Hurt Syndicate not even in the room when it happens.

That says a lot.

The rumors were that they didn't want to put over FTR for whatever reason.

We'll see what we can find out about that.

The only thing I'll say that could in any way justify getting the belts off them

was that it's clear that aew is going to have a big problem with babyfaces right now

babyfaces who could work on top who are over

who aren't going down with injuries

i don't know if tony's going to pivot and all of a sudden push lashley or shelton like that but if there was ever a time to it maybe now where

osprey's hurt swerve maybe hurt omega could barely work

then why not take advantage of the fact people are already chanting for him and just turn them babyface while they're the champions i think they kind of did maybe in their own way.

I'm not even sure.

No,

they just, I think they worked out something that Bobby and Shelton weren't insulted by where they could just not even be around when

everything happened.

Well, there it is.

New tag team champions, Bro Dito.

See, they needed MJF after all.

MJF could have stopped all this.

You know what?

That falling apart ended up costing them.

But you know what else may have cost the Hurt Syndicate here?

What's that?

You know, travel, jet lag.

I don't know what kind of hotel Tony's putting the wrestlers that he's mad at in.

A good night's sleep is always important for the average day, let alone an athletic endeavor.

And maybe because the Hurts Syndicate didn't have their mattresses from Helix Sleep, let alone their manager.

Maybe that's why, well, they really didn't do anything wrong.

They got attacked and left the building.

They didn't get pinned or anything.

They actually, they just wanted a good night's sleep.

They just wanted to go to bed.

Yeah.

Yeah, come on.

You know what I'm talking about.

No, we don't.

But I'll tell you this, ladies and gentlemen.

They would have had an easy time whipping those guys before the other guys came out, the guys in the hoodies that they fought off with.

They would have already won the match if they'd had a good night's sleep.

But you know how it is.

When you're going to a foreign country, there's the time difference.

You're zoned out in the international zone and you got the jet lag and the big swollen cankles.

And you can't sleep on those, even in first class these days, those cattle cars of the air that they call commercial airlines.

You can't crack back, crack, crack back or crank back

all the way flat and be in sleeping like you're sleeping in the arms of the angels.

Instead, you're in a lumpy recliner type apparatus with no leg room and you're all cramped up.

That's why the Hurt Syndicate or anybody else that takes those flights, they can't walk straight for months.

But if you can't walk straight, it's your own fault because you're not sleeping on a good mattress or flying overseas and across the intercontinental time zones.

You just need to call Helix or write to Helix.

Actually, go to Helix on the internet, helixleep.com.

That's where you're going to go because

no more are you going to go without a good night's sleep.

Brian, you know, if you got night sweats, you got back pain,

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They can give it to you any way you want it, Eli.

A great mat again, before this goes too far, wherever you tend to go, a great mattress for you, your family.

It comes as a whole experience, opening it up, watching it unfurl before your very eyes, and then sleeping on the unfurled mattress to your own personal great delight.

A good night, that's right.

Comfort.

When you take the cover off, it just starts getting bigger and bigger.

Don't have the kids in the room, folks.

Well, no, I wouldn't say that.

You can have the kids there.

Everyone keep a safe distance.

Once again, a great night's sleep.

Let's focus on that.

Yes.

Well, and I'll tell you what right now, again, with the night sleep.

You know, I had the night sweats, Brian, and the tossing and turning and the nightmares and the waking up and seeing the paint.

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And people told me I should get medical advice, but instead I just got a brand new Helix mattress

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Jim, one last time.

No seepage.

No seepage.

With that professionalism you're known for.

One last time, what is that promo code?

Well, I'm going to get my receipt.

That's helixleep.com slash JCE.

That's right.

And why don't we slash our way back to London?

like Jack the Ripper would have.

Well, that's a bad transition, but let's go back to London

for AEW Forbidden Door.

Well, you know, Jack the Ripper would have been an amateur compared to the

type of carnage that these AEW wrestlers wreak on people.

The big title, one of the big titles was up next, Brian, the unified title.

It was unified between,

what was it, the Continental title and the

champion title.

I can't fucking remember.

But this is, has there been a match?

Not for a title yet.

Wait, but hold on.

Besides the pre-show,

the first match was Edge and Christians Reunion.

They ain't got no belts.

But then

the girls,

the TNT title was on the line.

Oh, Kyle, the IWGP world title was the four-way girls title.

There was a girls' title in that, wasn't there?

Oh, TBS.

Yes, yes.

And then the tag title,

and then

the unified title,

Swerve versus Oblada.

And the thing that I wrote, right as they were ringing the bell, I wrote, will this guy work for 18,000 people or still lay on his ass?

And boy, howdy,

he's still on his ass.

He just can't do it.

Can he?

Swerve was trying.

Swerve was working hard.

The fans like him.

He had nothing to work with here.

It's just Stacey came in.

And Brad, do you remember who that I said that I compared?

This was months ago when Okada first showed up.

Do you remember who I compared his work to?

And you scoffed at me?

Oh, geez.

I do not know.

You remember me saying it.

You remember scoffing, but you don't remember who it was, I bet, don't you?

I remember you're saying you think a Japanese Elon Musk.

I don't remember a wrestling.

Well, no,

that was a different time.

I said physique-wise at his work, he reminds me of David Flair.

Oh, you did say that, yeah.

Well, and Stacy came in.

This was a year ago, I said that, right?

Stacy walks in, sits down, watches this two-left-foot motherfucker for about 30 seconds, and said, He reminds me of David Flair.

Except, David was trying,

he was trying to work hard.

So

it's fascinating in a way, watching this guy try not to do anything more than is absolutely necessary and barely that.

But it's just, it's slow.

It's boring.

His shit is phony for the most part.

He gave Swerve a DDT on the stairs, but when Swerve went over, he kicked the camera guy.

Does that mean they're going to get another lawsuit?

The fucking cameraman's a dangerous position around there.

I zoned out for a while.

It seemed like it went forever.

There was some choreography, and

at one point, Swerve climbed up to the top rope to help Okada drop his own knee on the top turnbuckle.

And finally, Okada clotheslined Swerve and beat him one, two, three, clean, fair, right in the middle of the ring.

And then he went crazy and put his knee between the stairs and the ring and hammered it with a chair.

And goddamn, here came

Nana running out because he couldn't be at ringside because that's not allowed in this particular kind of match.

And he ran out with a lead pipe.

But now, before we go any further, because it does go further,

people are going to say, well, Swerve is really hurt, which he is.

And he's going to have time off, which he is.

So why shouldn't Okada beat him clean?

Because he's a fucking heel.

Why?

What good does it do?

Then, Okada, besides the fact that he's unimpressive and looks like shit, but the unimpressive guy that looks like shit, just beat one of your top baby faces without even cheating.

And he's, and Swerve's going to come back eventually.

So, what the fuck?

How does it help Okada to get any heat?

Well, he just beat him.

Then he takes him out there and breaks his fucking leg

for no reason.

And then,

as Nana has run off the perpetrator with the lead pipe, here comes Wardlow.

And Wardlow comes out from the crowd and gets in a ring and levels Nana

and beats up Nana.

Wardlow has just returned after a year and a half or whatever, and he looks like he ate

goddamn the city of London.

He's bursting the seams on every piece of his clothing,

but he beats up Nana.

And since Swerve only has one leg, he has to lay there and watch while Wardlow beats up Nana and then beats up security

and hugs Don Fallus, who he joined the Fallus family.

What the fuck was this?

People have have been wanting Wardlow back for

all this time, but they debut a monster, whether a monster babyface or a monster heel,

by beating up a manager after another heel has already done the damage to the top fucking star.

What sense does this make?

Brian, help me.

Oh, it doesn't.

Also, when you're down on babyfaces and you have...

Someone who's one of your biggest babyfaces for a time return,

and they just become another guy in the Callus family, which is just a ramshackle group of people.

Just random heels put together.

Half of them don't do anything.

Lance Archer is like a valet at this point.

So yeah, it's questionable.

And again, Swerve lost the match.

And then for reasons we don't understand, he was attacked brutally.

And then they did this angle there.

Well, to cover up, he's going to go have his knee worked on or whatever.

but they but i'm not saying they

yes but they they concocted no reason logical reason why that happened after he'd already beat the guy

and now we have heel wardlow with takes the kyle fletcher lance archer rocky romero trent who else is in this group oh but did you see when take a take a shit came out and stared at wardlow

And you know, around here, when people stare at other people, that means something.

So, what does that mean?

They're going to turn Takeshta babyface?

I don't fucking know.

And who wants to see Takesha versus Wardlow?

Nobody.

Welcome back, Wardlow.

I thought it was just me.

You looked a lot bigger.

You said kind of what I was saying.

No, I don't mean bigger as in he's been doing nothing but training and eating tuna.

I mean bigger as in he's on the gas and the carbs.

He just he's thicker everywhere, Everything, unhealthily looking thick.

And I didn't, see, that's the problem, I think, too, when he started taking off his jacket and everything and doing the beatdown.

I didn't think the beatdown looked good.

Well, no,

he could hardly get the jacket off to begin with.

His arms are so big, and then he's like he's somebody shoved an air hose up his ass and just blown him up like a parade float.

Anyway, speaking of parade floats, the next match was a girls match.

I don't know really why that, it just seemed good at the time, that transition.

Tony Storm wrestled Athena.

Brian, and

you know, remember I said that I could fast forward and I'd see a little box where I could skip all the shit that I wanted to skip?

This was one of the shits that I wanted to skip.

Did I miss anything till I get to the finish?

Probably not.

It went a little while.

And apparently there are people who really like Athena, but I guess I just don't see what other people see in her.

Well, that's because you can't look down

deep, Brian, and see a person's true value.

Or you just don't give a shit.

One of those things.

Well, Billy Starks was going to hit Tony Storm with a chair, but Mina Mellon stopped her and they ran off.

And then Tony Storm got a choke and Athena tapped out.

Now, Tony Storm is a goddamn member of the Gracie family.

But now, Brian, I'll have you know it was time for another world title match.

This one for the actual world title of the company that's promoting the pay-per-view, which was refreshing.

The AEW world title, MJF versus Hangnail Adam Page.

And

unfortunately,

MJF, the challenger in this, when he comes out, he was introduced as the CMLL world champion.

They just had the

NJPW world champion, and they just had the unified champion, and they just had the TNT champion.

And now another world champion is going for another world champions world championship.

So anyhow, do they desperately need a legitimately, they need

their world champion to be the top star in the company?

And right now it's not.

And even with Moxley, it wasn't.

And

I'm hard pressed to figure out who the top star is in the company anymore.

That I would have said Osprey needs to be the champion, but now since he's goddamn going to have surgery and be out for who knows how long or to what extent, maybe it's good they didn't.

But how long has it been since the world champion in this company was also the top guy

on the roster?

A while.

I can't remember.

Did Punk hold this belt at one point or did he ever get there?

Yeah, no, I think he held it a couple of times.

Okay.

That would be the last time then

that both the world champion has been the top star in the company.

MJF is good.

He needs something to work with.

You've always got to do some of the other guy's shit.

And Paige does the same shit all the time.

MJF, his aura has been diminished.

His booking has been rotten.

He doesn't have the heat he used to have,

but he can still think to put some things together that make a little half-assed sense.

But he always has to work with another one of these children.

And

this was back and forth.

I can't go blow by blow on this because it got ridiculous.

But amongst my observations,

Paige doesn't fight from underneath well.

A baby face that that can fight and sell and be an underdog and get sympathy.

That's not he either

either he fights from underneath and the shit's weak or he does too much and kills the fucking heat

before the comeback and his timing is off where he's either too quick or too slow.

MJF has the

the facials, he shows personality, he has the body language.

Paige is always

scowling boo-boo face, and he does the same shit.

He's got, he had to do the thing where he

knocks MJF out on the floor, takes forever to climb to the top rope, doesn't even look backwards, backflips, and MJF has to stand there like an idiot and catch him.

MJF's hammerlock DDT should be a finish

because it looks better than most anything anybody does there.

I don't even know if he's ever gotten a fucking

win win on TV with it.

At one point, Paige Tombstones MJF on the floor doesn't even try to win.

He takes time to position the table

and pick MJF and deade

MJF off the apron, through the table.

Then roll him in the ring, cover one, two, and MJF gets his foot on the ropes.

Now it's ridiculous.

And, you know, I know MGF knows he's going to get his money from this guy either way, the billionaire,

but I'd rather not sit out a year and a half or two with a broken neck because this idiot wants to do this goddamn hardcore bullshit.

Certainly, I would not think that it was MGF's idea.

Hey, give me a dead eye through the fucking table.

Jesus Christ.

And then

they continue the match because that couldn't hurt anybody.

Paige then

gets very little color from two different places from being run into the post or whatever.

And then MJF tombstoned him on the broken table.

Or did

they did they break a table on the floor?

Yeah, no, they was already broken when he did the tombstone.

Yeah, they broke it with the dead eye.

Then they left the broken one sitting there so they could use it again.

They didn't didn't get another table.

And then, so that doesn't get the tombstone on the broken table by MJF.

Page gets back in the ring by the count of 10.

So MJF pulls the buckle pad off and gets run headfirst into it five seconds later and gets a lot of juice.

And the fans chant, you deserve it.

But again,

it just got run into the fucking

nothing can beat anyone

and then they tried to do a tombstone reversal that another match had already done earlier in the night but paige dropped him anyway they did a spot actually that got the fans and it was it was a good wrestling spot the multiple cradles

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, multiple cradles over and over.

One count, one count, one count, one count, then the double bridge, then the dead eye in the ring, two count.

That got the people.

That's That's wrestling.

But you can't be doing that after you've, you've deade a motherfucker through a fucking table to the floor.

And then suddenly you're doing goddamn

Les Thornton reversals.

And then MJF pulled the diamond ring out and set it on the mat and wanted Paige to hit him with it, to get disqualified.

because he

threatened to set Mark Briscoe on fire last week, Brian, as you'll recall, Paige agreed that the bell could change hands on disqualification.

You remember that?

Right.

He saved the life of Mark Briscoe.

And

he also agreed to, MJF said

he doesn't have to execute his contract.

He's still got the contract and all that stuff, blah, blah, blah.

Correct.

So now he wants Paige to get disqualified.

So Paige won't pick up the ring and hit him with it.

So he spit on Paige and Paige wants to hit him.

And finally, he just spit back on MJF.

So then MJF pushed Paige into the referee

and then kicked him in the balls, gave him the heat seeker, covered him one, two.

Paige gets his foot on the ropes.

Referee counts three,

but the referee is still down and he didn't see the foot on the ropes.

Okay, we've got a disputed decision here.

What's going to happen?

Mark Briscoe's music plays.

Mark Briscoe starts coming down the aisle, but security stops him.

He doesn't come to the ring to fucking tell the referee what happened, to restart it.

He gets stopped by security, punches a couple of them, and they drag him out.

Now we go back to the ring where MJF has just been staring at what Briscoe's doing.

Paige's foot is still on the rope.

He's never, MJF goes to move it and the referee sees it before he can't.

Now it's been a minute and a half.

Can I tell you that referee's been pissing me off?

His stuff with MJF is over the top.

The fact that he dove in.

Yes, you know, I see the leg now two minutes after it happened.

That's ridiculous.

We're expecting to believe Paige was unconscious and immobile for a minute and a half with his leg on a rope.

Or if he was awake, then why wouldn't he go?

Hey, referee, looking here, my foot's on a rope.

God damn it.

It would make sense if Briscoe had come out and stooged it off, but they dropped that ball.

So then the referee shoves MJF into Paige's clothesline.

Paige goes for a buck shot.

MJF ducks it and Mule kicks Paige into balls and schoolboys.

He gets a two count.

I'm like, what the fuck?

Go home.

His head isn't vulnerable.

His balls aren't vulnerable.

Nothing will beat anybody.

And then MJF slid the belt in.

The referee picked it up and immediately turned his back to hand it out.

And MJF hits Paige with the contract

in the metal case.

Cover two count.

Jesus, 30 minutes into this thing.

MJF pulls out the ring and swings, and the referee catches it.

But he doesn't disqualify MJF.

He just catches the fist.

And then when he gets the ring away, MJF turns around and Paige hits MJF with the contract.

Which the case breaks.

There's pages everywhere.

Then he hits a dead eye and a buckshot.

One, two, three, and the referees amidst the wreckage of the

oh, God.

It just, it was better than most Adam Page matches, but geez, nothing can beat anybody.

Page is just bland as fuck.

And their finishes, they're too long and too busy.

Are their finishes?

That's basically

my presumption of this.

31 minutes, 40 seconds.

Jesus Christ.

We'll maybe talk a little bit later.

Tony had some comments about this contract and the future of people turning in a contract to get a title match during the media scrum.

But we'll see what happens next.

Obviously, this unfinished business with MJF and the Hurt Syndicate.

Obviously, Adam.

Is there?

Are they just going to forget about it?

Who knows?

And obviously, Adam Page is indestructible, although incredibly boring at the same time.

And that's that.

Well, are you ready for the main event, Brian?

Oh, how could you not?

Main event of the evening.

Lights out.

Lights out.

And boy, I wish I'd have had to watch it in the dark.

The 10-man cage match extravaganza

with Darby Allen, Tanahashi, Kenny, Idushi, and Osprey

against the Hardley boys, Dick the Boozer, Claudio, and

Gabe Kidd

with Wheeler Useless and Marina Schaefer in the corner.

And

we already know that Osprey is this his last match for however long because he's going to have to have the negery.

And so he entered last for the babyfaces with the career video and the hoop hoop lot.

His girlfriend voiced over the video,

and he's a hometown guy, a home country guy.

He got a huge reaction.

And from that kind of crowd, the Osprey, Osprey on the entrance was impressive.

They could have had a year of this guy as their champion,

but they bungled it from the start.

He came in as a heel in the heel group, and then he just asked out, and they let him.

And then all this just nonsense that he's been involved in.

And now they've lost his services.

And of course, being that this is a match where the indie guys can't get out of their own way, they're already in a giant cage that surrounds all of Ringside as well.

But they've got ladders and tables set up around Ringside inside the cage already set up.

Marks.

It's a theme here this week with wrestling.

They're all marks.

None of them are smart to the goddamn essence of the principle of the business.

They're just marks.

Want to do fun shit

till they need spinal surgery.

And they did a comedy entrance in a cage match, a lights out cage match.

They do comedy with the buckaroos, not having their

music, and then they played it as some song that was supposed to be their first ever music.

The announcer said, like anybody would know what fucking music these two Jabronis used 20 years ago on Outlaw shows.

What was that even?

What was that music?

Do you even remember?

I'm not sure now.

They're flashes in the pan that got hot for an internet audience, and they've now presumed that they're household names.

And their pan flashed out a while back.

And then

they just start.

Then a

crazy match inside the cage.

They're on the floor.

They're trading chops.

The Moxley's got a kendo stick.

Osprey does a dive.

Darby does a dive.

It's the greatest hits of all the stuff that they do.

The Hardley boys and Kenny and his buddy did their cheerleading.

And

for some reason, three minutes in, they did a spot where Darby and Moxley were handcuffed to each other, but Claudio broke the handcuffs.

And then it was never a factor again.

You've got heels outsmarting the babyfaces, especially Kenny and Idushi.

When they would try fancy shit, they'd get outsmarted.

So that's psychologically ridiculous.

And then Nikki,

one of the buckaroos, goes to dump out a sack of thumbtacks, but they were gummy bears.

That then Nick acted like he was scared to take a bump in.

And Tony Schiavone is over there.

Oh, this is wonderful.

Shut the fuck up, Tony.

It's not my fault you needed the money to have to do this fucking drech.

You're older than I am.

You had a fucking background.

Just admit it's shit.

It's embarrassing.

The heels hit people with the ladder and busted the side of Darby's head open or tore his.

I think they tore his earring out that he's stupid to wear into the goddamn matches.

Because

when they powerbombed him into the ladder and he sprung back off of it, he grabbed his ear real quick.

It wasn't like a blow that would bust you open like a temple bone.

It was like something got caught and ripped out of his ear.

So that way, later on, Moxley could stick his fork in it.

Jesus Christ.

Osprey was trying to

sell like a wrestler in the middle of this garbage at one point.

And he'd get it going, but then

they'd stop him and it'd be shits again.

Nick bungled up a jump off the top rope.

The Hardy Boys or Hardley boys or

buckaroos or whatever beat up Ibushi.

Tanahashi just disappeared, which was a blessing because the poor thing is so crippled he can't walk.

Then they beat up Darby and duct taped him to a chair.

And that's when Moxley gouged his bloody ear with a fork.

I wrote in parentheses, I despise this garbage person, talking about Moxley.

And then Claudio slammed Darby while he was taped to the chair.

And then they pulled out a barbed wire-covered table.

But meanwhile, some of the stooges outside the cage had built a two-story, four-table

double stack.

Moxley bladed for the barbed wire.

I wrote, this is so fake, stupid, and dangerous.

Why get hurt for this trash?

Moxley fell into the wire table.

People dove, then everybody stood around, lost.

It wouldn't end.

Oh, that's what Osprey climbed up to the top of the cage and backflipped off onto everybody.

Well, he's having surgery already, anyway, so what the fuck.

And then Kenny and Kidd started trading fake forearms so Kenny could make his faces.

And a bunch of people did shit over and over.

And then

let me see if I can describe this.

Moxley climbs out of the cage with the help of Wheeler, but Darby goes up and climbs up and catches Wheeler and Wheeler takes the bump onto the announce desk off the side of the cage.

But then Darby got out of the cage.

He went, he climbed all the way out and went back down to the floor and beat Moxley with a kendo stick

and laid Moxley on the first level of the tables, but went to the top of the cage so he could jump off.

But Gabe Kidd nutted him

and Moxley moved and Kidd and Darby just jumped off together to go through all four tables.

And Gabe Kidd should be injured from the way it looked like he fell.

That wasn't the end.

Then there was more choreography at 100 miles an hour.

And then Kenny and Osprey hit Maddie with a good-looking double team.

And like that, that could have been it.

But then time stood still while Tanahashi

drug his crippled ass to the top rope and took forever to balance and stood up tentatively

and halfway splashed and halfway just fell forward

and splashed him one, two, three.

They gave Tanahashi the way

they can't even get their own goddamn talent over on some of their biggest shows because they have to insert these crippled motherfuckers.

I was like, you ever see footage of old man Mil Moscaris doing his high cross body?

And he falls off the rope.

And he's about half his age.

So

the baby face is one.

Then everybody leaves Osprey in the ring to get his ovation.

Fans seem happy.

Fans are happy to give Osprey his moment, knowing he'll be gone for a while.

They're singing for him.

They're playing the music.

And then I'm a wait, what?

I wrote seriously more heat.

I heard some of the cable systems, they milked it long enough.

Some of them went off the air.

I don't know what percentage, but some

went off the air before they got to this.

But the heels got on Osprey and locked him inside the cage.

Now the rest of the babyfaces are out of the cage.

They've locked him inside the cage.

And they beat the shit out of him with the repeated DDTs.

And Marina Schaefer climbs the cage to get in.

She's in.

All the babyfaces are standing out there, plus Joe and Hobbs and Shapoopy.

And Moxley puts the chair around Osprey's neck and stomps it.

Everybody, a minute ago, even the girls were climbing the cage, willy-nilly.

Now nobody can climb the cage.

They're screaming, raise the cage, raise the cage.

We just literally saw four or five people climb up and over and out of the cage.

Why can't they go the other way?

Why can't it just be raised?

Well, when it finally was.

Was Oli Anderson controlling the remote control for the cage?

Like

the black scorpion

who had it.

But when they did raise the cage, the heels just scurried away and the baby faces didn't do any of this.

Sort of maybe they all trained at Knox Pro Wrestling because they didn't do shit to help their friend.

Because now Osprey's going to be out.

Swerve's going to be out.

Other people are out.

Maybe MVP's out.

Maybe the hurt business is out.

Maybe they're out of business.

Maybe they got disgusted and just said, fuck it, we're leaving.

Even if Osprey's hurting going to be out for a while, this seemed like a bad way to end the show for the people there.

It took the heart out of the room, it seemed like.

Yes, but

you can't blame the heels.

He's already told people he's going to have neck surgery.

He said, I'm going under the scalpel after this, and I don't know if I'll be the same, but I'm going to leave it all in the ring.

So he should have goddamn got the pin

and got his hand raised in front of his home audience and got the thank you.

That's what they came to do.

You don't need to have somebody attack the guy and drop him on his head 15 times when they've already said he's got a hurt neck.

How much much more hurt does it have to be?

Everything doesn't.

That's

Tony.

Because of Tony's condition, whatever that may be, whenever they have the ability to scan brains and find out exactly what causes things,

Tony thinks there has to be some storyline reason

for shit, even when people already know the real story,

and the only reason there was ever a storyline reason to cover for injuries

is if there, if people didn't know the real goddamn story.

Oh shit, I got to have surgery.

It's just popped up.

Let's do an angle and give me a pile driver.

Not, oh God, I've got to have surgery.

I'm telling the world I'm going to have surgery.

And then the heel comes out and gives me a pile driver.

The foot.

I've got a cramp again.

Well, Jim, that was AEW Forbidden Door 2025.

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I'm so sick of that.

Perhaps you just want to sue.

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But, Jim, before we wrap things up and get out of here, we have a few little bits of audio.

We'll be back to the normal drive-through next week with guests-to-program, questions, music, and so much more.

Yeah, as long as there's no attempted murders making the news or things like that or crazy situations that we have to weigh in on, we'd rather be talking about the fun stuff instead of the outlaw mud show bullshit.

but here we were this weekend

i hit the wrong note i guess maybe that's kind of fitting par for the course jim we have a little bit of audio not too much but a little bit

we're going to start with some tony khan audio we'll end with some audio about tony khan

But to follow up on something you mentioned during the review of the MJF Adam Page match, MJF won a contract.

What was it?

The Casino Gauntlet?

Yes.

Is that what it was?

The Casino Gauntlet?

Yes.

I think it, well, I guess that's it, but it's their version of the Money in the Bank where you can cash the contract in,

you know, for a guaranteed title shot.

That's right.

I guess that's the best way to say it.

Their version of Money in the Bank.

Here's Tony Khan

talking to the wrestling media or whoever's in that room

about

their money in the bank.

It's so great to see all of you.

And before I start answering your questions, I have some questions for all of you.

If it's okay, if you would indulge me.

And I want your honest feedback because I really care about talking.

I care about talking to people who love wrestling.

I care about talking to the fans.

And I understand you're working media.

You're not necessarily here as fans.

But if you would lend me your honest opinions, I don't want you to BS me.

I want to hear what you really think.

I want fan feedback.

Oh, boy.

Do you think for a company that takes pride in its champions, that takes pride in the sport of pro wrestling, I really care about the integrity of of the promotion and the championships do you think that the way mjf has conducted himself in recent weeks trying to verbally execute and then renege on an execute i don't think that's personally i don't think that's how a championship what is he saying somebody who he's asking a question of the assembled media there he has a question for them but he wants them to think of it as fans even though they hurt his media.

He doesn't care if they hurt his feelings.

He wants to know their real opinions.

And then he goes into goddamn

the storyline.

I like when he stopped himself on the way to say, I care about talking to fans.

He just said, I care about talking.

And I think that was really advertising considering.

Tony fan.

Who has been potentially could be a great champion?

Should conduct himself.

I don't think that's in the spirit of the contract executions.

How do you feel?

Do you agree with that?

Let's strip him of it.

Oh,

sorry.

What do you think?

Trying to contribute.

That's Renee.

She's now like the sidekick

during the scrums, I guess, to kind of get Tony to behave as best as possible.

Kind of like her try to get away.

Interpret into English, possibly.

Maybe, but she's there to supervise things, and she chimes in every now and then.

I don't think that's in the spirit of the sport.

I would be interested to hear feedback.

Is there anybody that, yes, what do you think?

Well, let's stop it there for a second.

Jim, what are your thoughts on a wrestling promoter asking for feedback about one of his gimmicks that he has booked from the assembly media?

It doesn't make any sense because he said, now I want to know, don't BS me.

I want to know your real opinion like you would be treading on hurting his feelings.

How do you think MJF's been conducting himself?

Well, what difference if they say, now he's been a complete prick, I think you ought to take the whole thing away from him.

How is that?

Why would you need to soft soap that to the promoter?

I don't understand what he's doing.

Well, maybe he'll clarify for you.

Hold on.

Here's whoever he solicited a question from or an answer from.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, here's what I think.

I think that I want AEW to be different.

And I've been listening to the feedback and the voice of the fans.

And I think people want the championships and the sport of pro wrestling to have integrity.

We're having the best year in the history of AEW.

And I think a lot of it is that we're willing to listen to the fans, that we care about the sport, and we want the fans to believe in what we're doing.

I think it's really important that when we have a contract execution and the integrity of the championship, that we can maintain the dignity of the sport.

I also think it's very, very important to.

You know, it's almost like he wants to be a Kayfabe Sam Mushnik or something.

Like, I'm here to protect the business.

Then he goes back into Kayfabe.

The integrity and the credibility of the professionalism.

Was that,

where was that when the other night the guy poured gasoline over the guy's head and threatened to set him on fire?

Where was that when they did the flamethrower angle or the blood drinking angle?

He's talking about the execution of a contract that they win in a fucking battle royal having more of an effect on the integrity and the credibility and the

forthrightness of pro wrestling.

than he this outlaw bullshit that Moxley's been doing as his world champion for the past six months.

That night.

That was the night of the ear stabbing.

Jesus what I do, what is

well, a little bit more on the side.

I'm telling you, some machine needs to scan the brain.

Let's go back to the brain scanner.

To promote championship matches.

I don't want to have a big ticket championship match that we are unable to advertise.

And also, I don't really want to necessarily utilize a stipulation here that's being utilized other places.

I'm not trying to duplicate what other people is doing.

I really believe we are our own promotion.

That's why, going forward, I want to set the tone that from now on,

I think the right thing to do is all contract execution should be on at least a week's notice so we can properly promote the matches, so that we can properly give the fans notice.

He's worried now about properly promoting the matches

and have the integrity of a championship match.

And I think it's for the best for us.

I think it's for the best for our media partners and for the integrity of the championship, if that makes sense.

Wow.

I love a plan.

Thank you.

I love a plan.

I love a schedule.

I think it makes a lot of sense.

Thank you.

And

going forward, that's what we're going to do.

And I really appreciate your giving me that opportunity to kind of

take your temperature on it.

I think it's the right thing to do.

Take your temperature on it.

Nobody said a goddamn beep.

They didn't say boo to a goose, as Adrian Street would say.

The only person that said anything was his Ed McMahon, which is.

You are correct, sir.

You're so great.

But what are your thoughts to try to get some of this to get somewhere?

Basically, nobody can cash in now on a moment's notice when the champion is down.

You've got to give them a week's advance notice, which kind of kills the whole idea of having a title shot anytime you want it.

That's the you know

the fucking hook on the whole thing.

But does it matter?

Does any of this matter in AEW?

It's all gibberish.

What title?

Everybody's got one.

Some people got several.

Would Dustin Rhodes had surgery?

They had to have four different tournaments.

Well, what do you think about the idea that they're doing a money in the bank contract kind of thing, but they want to differentiate themselves from the exact thing they,

the exact idea they took?

Well, yes, they want to steal the idea and then do it differently, but they're cutting out probably the best thing about the goddamn deal that they took.

So I just don't do it.

Well, Jim, a lot of questions have been asked in the past and in the present and a lot of times here on this show about the creative process in AEW.

How does whatever gets on the air get on the air?

Who comes up with these ideas?

And then how many people decide to quit breathing it?

Is the page horizontal or vertical?

There's a lot of questions we have asked.

The columns.

There's a lot here, so we'll break this down.

Here's Tony Kahn talking about the creative process.

Oh, boy.

A really quick follow-up is on the creative process.

In the past 12 months, since you were in London last, our listeners, I think, are noticing more vignettes, more character building in the mid-card, more long-term storytelling.

And let me just say Tony's nodding with a big smile on his face

he loves all those things that people say he does and somehow they overlook the fact that they don't do these things but nevertheless there been a shift in your process at all i've talked about it a little bit

i well talk about it some more with the best of intentions last year went out there and I tried to get really collaborative.

And I said, let's all do a lot of Zooms.

And I want to hear everybody's ideas.

and I'm going to take every suggestion.

I'm going to take, wow, I'll try to take your idea and maybe I'll take your idea.

And it's a lot different than how I did the show, especially in the pandemic.

I was looking back.

I, well, Kenny went out there.

I was saying to Nakazawa, I was like, man,

it's a lot different than when you guys were wrestling in front of three people in the pandemic in QT school in Georgia against the best friends.

And, you know, a lot different than the Kenny and Alan Angels match in front of three people to be out here in front of the biggest crowd ever in this building and one of the biggest crowds in AEW history.

We've come like a really long way, but also.

Well, Jim, let me jump in and we'll talk a little bit more about this in a moment.

But why is he going back to the pandemic and wrestling in front of three people in QT school to have anything to do with the creative?

He's talking about his history as a booker, and he now has six years of history as the late.

God damn, he was born a poor black child in a log cabin in Mississippi.

How much history to answer a direct question do we need?

Can he ever just get to the fucking point?

That's my question.

And we've seen these WWE Unreal episodes with their creative process.

What do you think of the idea that he's jumping on Zoom calls with everyone?

He wants everyone's ideas.

Everyone's submitting ideas to Tony on Zoom.

Well, that's it's it's nothing but excesses in every direction here, because of course it's gibberish.

That's what we said at the time.

It looks like they're just doing this segment by segment.

Everybody's in business for themselves.

You can't

let everybody do everything they want to do.

You can have Zooms with 25 people,

but you can't just then say, No, I'm just going to do what I want to do when the person that's saying that doesn't know what the fuck they're doing.

Because then you get what we've been getting.

So it's either a goddamn mess of everything possible everywhere, all at once, all the time,

or

it's endless same shit that Tony does with his

brain condition that makes sense to him with all of this 26 people running into a goddamn never-ending angle.

Neither one is preferable.

Let's go back to the never-ending answer.

Here's Tony Kahn.

I had a process that was pretty great in Jacksonville.

And I realized as we were going into this year, I had a realization.

And it was a lot like the realization that I came to when I first started using that process.

That process I used in Jacksonville and really in 2020 was a lot different than I would have done in 2019.

In 2019, I was also a big committees and meetings guy.

And then in 2020, I kind of famously have said, hey, at Christmas, I went home and I was like, you know what, I started putting the shows together at home.

And then people in 2020 really liked it.

But what I didn't count on is the pandemic would hit.

I would be the only person in guerrilla for months.

And I would be a one-man gorilla, which is what happened.

And if you look at those shows that I talked about, I'm the only person backstage.

There was because we shut down the backstage.

So there was only one person doing everything back.

Let me stop this for a moment.

Obviously, he's got a lot to say about the creative process and the road to getting here, revealing a lot of things from the past.

If you were the Young Bucks or Omega or Cody Rhodes or Brandy Rhodes,

forget about any feelings about them or what kind of content they like.

Just being them.

Feeling like you were a part of the start of this company and

you're a couple months in, right?

When did they they start?

October?

I forget when they started.

Somewhere around there, yeah, you're a few months in, and you're all kind of getting to do your version, your vision of wrestling on this show.

And the audience hasn't run off yet.

There's people watching your vision of wrestling.

All of a sudden, Tony comes back in, guys.

I was thinking about it over Christmas.

I'm just going to do it all myself and write all the shows myself.

I mean, you know, that's

again after a couple of phone conversations with Tony, long before that, I realized this guy

has too much energy.

He's convinced he knows what he's doing and he ain't never going to listen.

Or if he does listen, it'll be to Gaga, considering who he wants to work with.

I can imagine being one of the

indie-minded guys that had the patience to sit through Tony's energy to get my stunt approved or my thing that I had, but I can't imagine being somebody that actually knows anything about how wrestling shows put together and being able to suffer Tony's enthusiastic presence for very long.

I just can't.

Let's go back to Mr.

Enthusiasm.

Sarah.

And people thought it was like the best AEW yet.

So I,

and then all the people he talked to.

All the people he talked to agreed that his booking was the best

he pays or are just mindless

indie wrestling fans back and it was like that's a pretty good process I still want to hear everyone's ideas but I'll come in with an outline and then I want to talk and say okay here's my outline here's what I think we should do and there's more people than there were at that point and there's more people to bounce ideas off of and I think it's really worked really well this year so I kind of came in Christmas of

this year, Christmas 2024, this past year, and I had like the same look-in-a-mirror conversation I had with myself exactly five years earlier.

He's looking in the mirror having his conversations, Jim.

What do you think of these look-in-the-mirror conversations about the booking of AEW?

Well, I tell you, the

lines on the mirror, lines on her face.

She pretends.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

Are they funny mirrors that tell you you're good at booking?

Yeah, maybe the funhouse mirror can make him a little bit bigger in the middle.

Coincidentally enough, my father just bought Coney Island.

I've got all these mirrors

because I wasn't really happy with the way the December 18th, 2019 dynamite ended in Texas.

And then we took a week off.

And I said, you know what, January 1st, I'm going to make sure we do the best show we've ever done to this point.

And we did.

At that point, that was the best.

January 1st, 2020, at that point, was the best episode of Dynamite.

How long is it going to take him to cover the next five and a half years here?

This is a simple question, but he's giving over the or going over the history here of the AW creative process from his perspective.

I need to shave.

It was the most complete best episode of wrestling television we had done.

And then I said, we never look back.

And ironically, then the next week I did something that in January 8th

in the

in the Rio Chris Outlander match that I was like, I knew like, I told myself in Christmas 2020.

Christmas 2019, I was like, in 2020, I'm not going to do anything I don't believe in.

2020 is like the year to just trust your instincts.

And if you don't really feel good about something, don't do it.

And then week two.

Hold on one second.

He's saying trust your instincts six months into being a promoter, you know, a year into being a promoter.

Trust your instincts.

He had it all figured out before they started.

That was the thing.

That's why there was no question in his mind that all this was going to work.

It was like a diet I cheated on.

And I made it to January 8th.

And then after that, I was like, that was it.

That was exactly what you told told yourself you weren't going to do.

Don't do that for the rest of the year.

And I didn't.

And

we tightened up and we did so well and came together.

But I also thought like it's a good process and it's good to hear people's ideas, but it's probably better to put the outline together and then talk to everybody versus like having 86 people throwing in ideas.

You know, probably the worst episode of Seinfeld they ever did is the second to last episode, which was really the finale for all the writers besides Larry David.

So they all tried to get one or two jokes in, and it turned into the worst episode they ever did, and also is the one that had the most writers.

So, um, let me stop it there.

There's a whole lot there

again, him being the arbiter of everyone else's creative and everyone else's ideas,

comparing the committee process of listening to other people's ideas to the second to last episode of Seinfeld.

Yeah, he's he's got uh the same quality writing talent on his zooms from Kookamunga as as they did for seinfeld but it's still you know is too many cooks spoil the broth brian the self-awareness of a kenny benya is he going to get to a period anytime soon it's what i'm asking you um put a period on this it's a better process this year but also the i give most of the credit to the all the credit really should go to the wrestlers and the fans because this year the level of wrestling on the show has been the best it's ever been i think the support we've gotten from the network is the best it's ever been this The backstage talent, everybody, whether it's

people working in production that you never see or the announcers or both, people who do both, like Renee, who's in production and on screen, everybody's just stepped up.

We're having a really, really good year.

Also, we've been really fortunate to have

up to this point, a very healthy roster of great stars.

I give a very detailed answer.

Let's stop there.

Up to this point, a very healthy roster.

Yeah, we just lost our two biggest baby faces tonight to the same show, but up to this point, they've been healthy.

Up to this point, mine is Danielson, Omega, Punk went down when he was there.

Every single person has gone down.

Sorry, about what I think has been happening

in AEW, and

it would be hard to be more intricate and detailed than what I just did, but

to give a thorough accounting of it, I think that it would be safe to say that

the roster have stepped up and delivered week to week to week as much as ever before.

And I think it's incredible.

And we were really fortunate.

We had some stars that were away from us last year for different reasons, some due to injuries, some due to filming projects, and they all kind of came back and the stars aligned.

All in Texas is one of the great successes for the company.

And

does he even remember the question he was asked?

I can't take much more of this.

I'm not.

I'm trying to get somewhere with there, has to be be something in here.

Hold on.

There has to be.

It set a high standard coming here to follow a show like that and to come here and to be able to set a new milestone to

sell a lot of tickets and also have a pretty similar live gate, but also

follow up or run a business in London

and also to

to have the feeling back here that we have that

just

we're doing so great, great, you know, and and I talked about our great women's champions and women's stars.

I think, of course, I referred earlier to MJF.

And even if I don't agree with his tactics and even one of the top women's stars, uh, work overtime.

Well, hold on, he's just now running through everything.

I mean, yes,

I feel like he has more to say, but

I'm even looking through Jay.

I'm even looking through Jace's notes.

He starts rambling about MJF, Adam Page, and Moxley, and then just fluffing himself up.

So,

I think we may have heard enough of Tony.

Any thoughts on the fact that every single scrum we have heard audio from,

and again, we're going back six years now,

everything is the greatest it's ever been.

Everything is the best it's ever been.

It's not even just about saying everything in the moment is great, but now there's stuff to build on.

When you say everything's great when you first start, Okay, they think this is great.

But if they thought that was great, how is this great?

How is this greater than that?

Well, more importantly, what the fuck?

There's a you, I don't expect anybody running a press event for any company to come out and lead with, boy, we really this thing up and we're the shit's here and this sucks.

No, you're supposed to tell people you're doing well, but endlessly without periods or punctuation, droning on,

citing specific episodes of TV from five years ago that nobody fucking remembers, never getting to a point,

just the constant self-fellatio

that old Jay was referring to momentarily ago, where he just talks about, oh, I did this and I did that and I did the other thing.

Yes, you've spent a half a billion dollars to get a wrestling promotion to a point where it looks like you spent 100 million.

I don't, I don't, but

the idea that he genuinely believes that this is the greatest wrestling product that has ever been put on the planet is admirable.

He's got confidence, but it's also crazy.

And also, he would have to be the greatest booker of all time to have six years straight of great stuff and not be burned out at all.

Yes, yes.

And how do you tell the stuff from he keeps saying, well, we did this a different way, we did that a different way, we got different results.

This shit has looked pretty much the same from day one, hadn't it?

Can you tell there's been moments

early punk gave him a few moments?

They were fans.

MJF before he had his nuts cut off.

In the early days, they actually had full buildings and it had an energy.

Almost felt like, okay, something could happen.

And

for the past, however long, it's been the same shit every week, over and over for the same people, except the audience dwindles over time.

So

I'm glad that they just love what they're doing, but

to act like that this is in any way

really wonderfully structured shit when it's just haphazard chaos, I'm sorry.

I bow out now with that statement.

Do you think this is the best year of AEW-TV?

It's a crazy question.

I know.

I can't see in any way in the world how they think it is because

they had more viewers and bigger stars a couple of years ago.

And they've done everything.

You can't do anything different.

Nothing works against anybody.

Nothing hurts anybody except when they really need surgery.

And then they just

run over them with a truck and you don't see them for six months.

And it's all the same.

The more you see of it, the harder it's going to be for them to keep doing shit because that's people are getting tired of it because there's no difference.

You can't differentiate one show from the next because it's just endless mayhem and run-ins.

Well, that's all the Tony Khan audio we're going to play here at another point.

Well, he said plenty of other wacky things, but

Jim, a little more audio here regarding Tony Connondrome.

We're going to get out of here.

We ran a little long today.

This is apparently something being released as we are recording.

A ton of listeners have already sent it over.

It's from an interview with Chris Van Vliet.

Jake Hager appeared on his show.

Oh, good lord.

Let's review some audio here.

We'll break it up a few times.

We have not heard a peep from Jay Hait, Jay Hay, Jake Hager, maybe ever.

So let's hear what he has to say.

So, when did you stop loving what you were doing there or just loving wrestling in general?

It was right after

we did the Vegas.

Was that the stadium stampede?

No, it was like the second Blood and Guts.

The second Blood and Guts we did in Vegas, and it was against Daniel Bryan and Cesaro and those guys.

And then Sammy jumped off the cage.

My contract, my first contract with AEW was up.

And after that,

the negotiation process was

very one way.

And I could tell that,

well, anyways, I always find a way to say this every day.

So I think everyone should too say, fuck Tony Khan.

I could tell that he didn't want me there.

He offered me like a year and a half.

Let me stop it there for a second.

Again, there's a lot more here for a few minutes.

We were not necessarily proponents of Jake Hager.

We didn't really see whether it's the way he was used or just what he brought to the table.

It was both.

It was both.

Yeah.

But here he is saying that he was negotiating, and it wasn't, we won't bring you back, but as he said, it was a one-sided thing.

We'll give you this, accept this, or nothing.

Is AEW wrong in any of that in your eyes so far?

With Jake Hager, here's the thing.

What did he ever do?

What did he ever contribute?

What great Jake Hager promo was there ever given that people talk about?

What great match did he have?

What memorable angle was he in?

He was a friend of somebody

that

they got Tony to sign Jericho.

Okay, he got Tony to sign him from the start.

And he'd been there at that point for a couple of years and had done little of anything.

And

with the product that I was seeing on screen, Jake Hager should have been happy that a billionaire wanted to offer him a contract for 18 months.

Because I would have said, okay, we'll see you later because I'm wasting money.

There's nothing here.

So

that Tony offered him anything.

I'm on Tony's side on that.

Because my response would have been, why the fuck are you on this roster?

But that's just me.

And remember, we said at the very beginning when everything was lovey dovey and he was there he was on he debuted on the first dynamite if you remember

one day the stories are going to start coming out one day these guys are not going to respect and love tony khan as much as they do right now here at the beginning and i think we're starting to see that let's go back to jake hager's talk with chris van vliet

like bro i just did stadium stampede twice like don't act like stadium stampede and put aew on the map i was in the debut debut episode.

I was the big spoiler.

And you offered me 18 months after all that.

So

it was that and the way that he started running the business that it really,

like, he wasn't a professional.

Like, let me stop it there for a second.

18-month contract.

Any thoughts on that?

Well, yeah, again, you know,

why would you sign the guy at all, to be honest, with what he was doing?

And even if he could do more, but they hadn't hadn't booked him to do more.

Well, that's the fault of the guy that Tony just said he was writing the shows.

So

he is, I'll give you an 18-month contract for whatever he was overpaying Hager to do, which was nothing.

Again, I don't have any sympathy for this guy.

Now,

both of these things can be true.

Hager can be useless, and Tony can be unprofessional.

It's a closer, it's inexperienced people who aren't particularly good at what they're trying to do coming together to try to work together

here's some more audio from jake hager's conversation with chris van vliet

we like after all the punk shit that went down the boys got together and we had a meeting and this was the boys only no office right and we're on the like stings in there show Jericho Brian, Mox, they're all standing at the front, kind of like talking us through this shit.

And lo and behold, who become, who comes into the room storming in?

Daddy's little billionaire.

And he's like yelling at us

because

I think it was Dax and

Cash, Cash and Wheeler didn't want to come in

storyline, so they refused to come to TV that day.

And he was like,

listen, I'll put you in a six man six minutes before the show, and you're going to do it.

And we're all just like,

all feeling disrespected.

And I still to this day wish I would have stood up and said.

Let me stop this.

Hold on, hold on a lot here.

Yeah.

Degenerating into gibberish.

I'm not aware.

And it would have been news and it would have been reported.

Did Cash and Dax or Cash and Wheeler, as he said, did they ever

no show a TV taping?

That's number one.

Have we ever heard of Tony rushing in anywhere and screaming at people since he never seems to want to yell at people before.

But what does it mean?

I'll put you all in a six-man tag for six minutes.

What?

I don't even understand what this guy is.

Before we even get there, in terms of a wrestlers-only meeting, a locker room meeting, no office.

How often does that happen?

And what would happen if all of a sudden the boss just stormed in and started yelling at everyone about something kind of off topic from what you guys are talking about?

If this was after the punk thing and after there's a big fight amongst executives in the locker room and see him punk

and this is kind of like all right team, you know, we got to do what we can in this weird dirty dozen kind of fucking team that going on over there.

But if that's what this is, and all of a sudden Tony storms in and he goes, I'll book you however I fucking want to book you.

What does that do?

Well, it wasn't a talent-only meeting anyway, because didn't he say Danielson was there and Danielson was on the disciplinary committee?

Not yet.

That was before there was a disciplinary committee.

Oh, I I forgot.

That's right.

Well, basically, it was all the guys whispering to Tony, conducting a meeting to try to settle all the guys down or whatever.

There was still Tony was going to hear everything that happened in the meeting, obviously.

And

Hager doesn't sound to me,

I'm sorry, but

I don't honestly believe him.

Because he sounded like he was hemming and hawing and trying to figure out where he was going next.

If he's predicating this thing on, you need to believe me because i was such a valuable commodity i think he's full of to begin with

let's hear more about his thoughts when tony khan stormed into the meeting

the you know a lot of things but like you just told sting that you're going to put him in a six man in six minutes but then you're going to honor him for his retirement it we were all we we became his little playthings we had to wait outside his office uh his storylines were very good at debuting, but he can never carry anything through.

And it got to the point where

I'm carrying on, but it got to the point where I couldn't tell him anything.

He couldn't take criticism.

He was fucking up.

And we were all just having to deal with it, you know, like we all had blood, sweat, and tears put into that company.

We were all there at the beginning.

Like we all had our careers behind us that helped build that company.

And then we all had to just sit side by side and couldn't do anything because he wanted to run it the way he wanted to run it.

So you

chose to resign.

That's the end right there of that question.

You chose to resign.

Yeah, you chose to resign.

Well, because who else is going to give me how many hundreds of thousands of dollars a year?

It's another example of both of these things can be true in some respects.

Jake Hager is not a very guy that's very smart to the wrestling business, I don't think.

And I don't think he's very good.

But it's the same point,

even if he

is not that quick on the uptake, he's repeating a lot of the sentiments there that a lot of the guys

had at the time that they were bitching about in a locker room

that,

you know, that they couldn't tell Tony because he'd get his feelings hurt.

All of these things were happening.

This is Chris Jericho's friend saying all of a sudden Tony Khan didn't want to hear everyone's ideas.

Who's really saying that?

Well,

and can you imagine what some of those ideas were?

Says it's not like there's a big baby face in any of this program.

Apparently, he's not happy that Tony Khan.

I'm reading some comments here about other parts of this.

We don't have any other audio.

He was not happy that Tony Khan didn't take advantage of how over he got with his hat.

Oh, Christ.

And talking about how he likes his hat, he wanted to do a character who would only say that phrase for no matter what the question was, he would say, I like this hat.

And his friends would understand it.

You know, maybe Tony wasn't the worst booker in the room.

But what do you think?

One last thing about all this.

What do you think?

I think he ought to shit in the hat and cover it up with another one and see what happens.

You think we're going to see a a lot more of this whether right or wrong whether they're disgruntled because they weren't re-signed to a big contract or not are we going to see a lot more people talking about the conditions in aew at least a few years back if not yeah well look if you have a bunch of delinquent children in a class and the teacher doesn't have any control over it then are the kids going to leave the class and talk about how yeah we took advantage of her and no one's talking about yeah she's a lousy teacher

But they're also delinquent children.

It's there's no structure.

There's no fucking administration.

There's no

hierarchy.

They're just indie wrestling with multi-millions of dollars.

Well,

we will stay on top of the antics of AEW and their former wrestlers and their current wrestlers and the injuries to their wrestlers and so much more.

But with that, Jim, this special review-heavy edition of of the drive-through is closed.

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You mean I can go ahead and make my burgers for our cookout now with the in-laws?

I can't find the usual one, so I'll go with this.

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