Episode 406

Hello again, friends!

And you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thrue.

We're going to start off on a happy note.

We're going to be in a good mood today.

It's going to be fun wrestling talk of all kinds.

Here on the drive-thru, I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

And here he is, the leader of the cult of Cornet, Mr.

Jim Cornet.

On and on, it just keeps on playing.

Even though I feel like saying, please quit playing, please quit playing, please quit playing.

Brian, how can you say we're going to have a happy show today?

Don't you know the world is falling apart around us?

The news is horrible from all fronts.

Did you?

I was watching the news earlier.

Did you hear what happened in Chicago?

In Chicago, right in the middle of broad daylight on the street in front of witnesses.

Did you hear about this, the Chicago incident?

No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

No,

there was a midget walking down the street and somebody picked his pocket.

How could anybody stoop so low?

Okay, what

is this?

where are we going how are we starting i'm just saying it's the news is bad brian oh it's so bad i tell you it's bad

i mean now seriously i watched

it's so bad i watched the news today here in louisville kentucky on w drb so i could get the weather news they say we're actually it's going to go from a heat index of 105 today to by Monday or Tuesday morning, we might have lows in the 50s.

So I wanted to hear that.

But along the way, I heard, guess what happened over in Jeffersonville, Indiana, not too far from the Featherbottom estate, Jeffersonville, Indiana, guess what happened?

It was raining like cats and dogs?

No, I know, because I stepped in a poodle.

No,

this guy

went to his father's house.

and decapitated, as they phrased it

on the air, on the television, decapitated his father.

Because at first the news came out, well, we're investigating a murder and there's remains in two locations.

And then they revealed that the guy went over to his dad's house, apparently, and cut his father's head off and put it in

some type of carrying apparatus.

I don't know, a bag or a duffel.

I understand those are good for heads.

and left the rest of dad at dad's house and took his father's head over to his mother's house and said, hey,

I just killed dad because he's the most evil son of a bitch that ever lived and walked on the face of the earth.

Here's his head.

And the authorities were called over this.

And after a four-hour standoff, they got

the headhunter

to agree to

come out and and face the music.

And the neighbors said, well, whatever we'd see him, he seemed like a nice guy.

He'd He'd wave at us.

It was awful odd.

He had that giant saber in his fucking hand, but he was waving at us.

What's happening in your neck of the woods, Brian?

It's been local news here on the drive-thru.

You got anything going on up here in Jersey?

Nothing that exciting.

I think a horse is on the loose

not too long ago, but

a horse, of course, is on the loose.

Of course.

What I thought she'd need to be back by Wednesday to be refereeing.

And speaking of wildlife...

Just out of nowhere, people are going to be...

Speaking of wildlife, we got a new addition to the animal kingdom here at the Castle Grounds.

And

in addition to the Bundy family of deer, we got Peg and Al and Kelly and Bud.

We now...

And Stacy actually got video of this out the back door through the window

the other night when the the motion sensing light

it indicated that there was movement on the perimeter and we scrambled the forces

a skunk

came right up to the to the back door there but not just any skunk brian the skunks and i've never seen a skunk look instead of the the peppy lipe stripe down the middle

Its entire head,

not only is its head entirely white, but it looks like it has like a white ponytail.

It was just, it was a half-white skunk just rummaging around and everything.

So we named it Sputnik.

Sort of looked like Vince McMahon on the documentary the other day, or the documentary, the news report, or not even news report, the fluff piece the other day.

The warning for plastic surgery.

This could happen to you.

It's like they do it at the cancer commercials.

They ought to do vents for the plastic surgery, but don't do this, people.

Have some fucking pride.

Linda's got nipples on her chin.

She's had that shit lifted so many times.

But do you know what happened to me last night?

I'll tell you something that happened to me last night.

God damn it.

Just since we're on a subject,

we weren't, but I'll put us there.

Hotchkiss Featherbottom was here all day yesterday, Brian, because we've got in just a couple of weeks, the big announcement of the incredible

new thing that's going to be available at Cornettes Collectibles for the holiday season, which is not too far around the corner.

It begins in October for us, so we don't get behind.

And we were working on that, and everything was good.

And he leaves, and Stacey, and I were going to have dinner.

And I got a freezer out in the

garage that

I'm sure as a large family there, you've got a secondary freezer

in

some place, right?

Yeah.

In the garage.

Good place to have it.

Well, it's where we keep the overflow of the stuff you can't really fit.

And she's going to get some vegetables or whatever.

I don't know.

But this is where we got like all that cheese steak meat I told you about.

We get by the bulk because it's so good.

And you cook it up from frozen.

And my pro, I just got a box of Provel cheese from Emo's in St.

Louis, Emo's Pizza.

Brand new.

It only got one

package out.

And they're like five pounds of salmon and blah, blah, blah.

She opens up the lid of that freezer, and sometime in the last week or 10 days or so,

that freezer just said, fuck it.

And it's only 15 years old.

My mother had the same freezer in the garage here at this house from before I was born because my dad bought it to he kept the fish in that he caught on fishing trips.

So it was probably purchased in 1957

and we moved it out of the garage after she passed away in 2002.

What have they done to freezers?

Just built to be obsolete after 15 years.

Anyway,

you have never smelled anything.

Like that the stench that suddenly, as soon as that lid was lifted, it was like a Pandora's box of something that would gag a maggot off a gut wagon.

And she shut it real quick, like, oh my God.

And it was, then it's too late.

It's out there.

And she's a what the fuck?

And we thought at first,

maybe because it's plugged in the garage, there's a circuit that you got to push if you trip it, but nobody's plugged in like power tools, right?

And I checked all the other outlets and no, they're good.

And then I checked that outlet is good.

The freezer is dead.

So

two fucking hours.

It took me to round up.

I had to get plastic bags and the plastic garbage bucket, but I needed gloves and I had fucking protective footgear on

and fucking a little at a time because I'd have to walk away and breathe.

drag that rancid to him.

Kids,

there was two racks of ribs in there, baby back ribs from which if it was about if it ever got cool enough to cook out which it's about to do in four or five days it'd been in there for two months

and they had whatever happens with the gas and the combustion of the

they were blown up like balloons the plastic wrapping around these things Wow.

To where if it had popped, I'm sure it would have exploded botulism all over me.

So I'm putting these in the a plastic hefty bags and I put in an empty garbage bucket to wheel to the roof.

And

the soup,

the soup down where the water has melted and mixed with the juice that has come from the rotted salmon and the rancid seafood and various

is still in the bottom.

I had to get the dolly and put the

freezer on the dolly and the pudding pop.

I sound like Cosby.

I had to put the goddamn freezer on a dolly and wheel it to the far end of the driveway outside

next to the next to the evergreen tree

where the it and it would

once again poison the deer.

No, they can't get in it.

The lid is down.

Nobody wants in that thing.

And I gotta have the rose come over and haul the fucking thing off.

So that was, then I was after a couple hours that I I was, I was really ready to have dinner.

So, reminder, folks, check your freezers just every couple of days, just lift the lid and see if the shit still froze.

You said lift the lid.

So, your second freezer is,

for lack of a better term, horizontal.

It's not like a vertical freezer, just the same size as the regular refrigerator.

Well, no, it doesn't mimic the operational appearance of a refrigerator where the doors open, stands upright, and opens out.

It's one of the goddamn things where, you know, you bend over and lean into it and get things out.

Let me get an ice cream.

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Yes, because that way I can also set Gornett's collectibles on top of it.

Oh, so it is.

It's all geometrically designed out there.

Well, the whole wall is shelves except for underneath the window that is the freezer.

And then I set

various supplies on top of that because we don't get in it that much.

Did I mention?

And after only 15 years,

what are you gonna buy what are you gonna do another freezer same exact kind what are you gonna do

well obviously not i'm kind of turned off of those stench ridden fucking unreliable items at this point

i'm not stacy is gonna handle the

the choosing of the freezer that she

would like within the parameters of the space i measured that it it fits in there and that's all I as long as it goes in there I don't care what it as long as it freezes things.

What if she wants a smart freezer that like you could actually monitor on your phone and, you know, check the temperature, all those kind of things?

It would be her phones.

I don't, as long as I can lift the lid and get my goddamn Provelle cheese from emos pizza out of it, I don't care.

I don't care if it has a conversation with my refrigerator and my goddamn television and my fucking oven.

And they all tell each other to fuck off or what if they conspire against me now, we got a problem.

Yeah, but don't you think that's next i mean we're only a few i treat them a few years away from the robots just taking over aren't we i treat my stove and refrigerator better than most people do i would imagine i you know me i'm gonna matter i'm a i'm a tidy person when the signal comes in from mission command it ain't gonna matter No,

they'll know I'm on their side.

It just give me the fucking animal kingdom and you can kill all the fucking people.

So

they're going to sense a kindred spirit in me.

You know, when you think, how do you fight the robots?

That may be the way for a determined man to round up all the remaining animals in God's kingdom and fight back against the robots.

The robots will never expect the elephants.

No, I wouldn't fight back against them.

I'd say, look, give me the animal kingdom and let me live amongst them.

I'm talking to the fucking robot overlords now.

Oh, so it's like Lex Luthor wanting Australia from General Zachariah.

Give me the animal kingdom and the state of Kentucky

and fuck all these people.

Do what the fuck you want.

We'll be over here and I'll be feeding fucking Bambi from my hand.

That's the big heel turn everyone's waiting for is when you...

one of these animals bites you or something.

Well, it's going to be a new ball game.

New ball game.

See, but that's the thing.

They don't understand, Brian.

They just have the simple, basic emotions emotions of fear or trust or whatever, and very simple concepts.

It's people, people are the ones that you could be mad at when they bite the hand that feeds them because they should know better because they're functioning,

you know,

intelligent beings, allegedly.

But, but no, the whole human race is filled with people like that, where you can't blame the poor animal until you establish the trust because they don't trust people for a reason.

So, you you got to go out there.

For a reason, a lot of them see us as food.

No, a lot of them see us as fuck, he's about to fucking shoot me.

So that's why you take the apple out for the deer and you roll it gently toward them and you establish a little trust.

And then

they're part of the family because they're safe here away from the outside world.

Have any of your neighbors ever said, like, can you please stop feeding the wildlife?

No, actually, Sherry next door a couple years back said, oh, I see you're feeding the deer because she loves to watch the deer in her backyard.

I see you're feeding the deer because she's an elderly.

I don't want to just put her near the grave, but she's older than I am.

You just did.

She did.

No, as far as I know, she's in decent health, but she's not physically going to lug.

deer food down to the fucking places where we feed the deer around here and et cetera.

So I was doing that and she was happy to see that because she worries about them too, like I'd when they're crossing the road, like I do.

So no, she's she's not upset about that.

Did you see another horse?

Did you see another horse drop dead on the streets of Manhattan?

What was a horse doing on the streets of Manhattan?

Well, you know, for carriage rides through Central Park.

Oh, good Lord.

Can you imagine that poor whore?

It's bad enough when humans are stuck in that cesspool of activity and stench, but when the poor animals have to just fucking wander up and down those crime-ridden and fucking filth-ridden fucking streets and pollution and rats and garbage, they add to that filthy shit just everywhere.

They shit everywhere

and shit

just to fucking carry a bunch of fucking assholes around that could either get a cab or fucking walk under their own power.

No wonder they drop dead.

It was probably suicide.

I think it was heat and exhaustion.

Probably.

Well, lack of suicide.

What did he have to live for?

He should have turned around and take a bite out of the fucking guy that's running the operation.

Say goodbye.

He was hungry.

The idea that one day I could see like a runaway horse just kick some guy and just tear off down Fifth Avenue.

He wouldn't be able to get up any speed.

There's too many cabs in the way.

You can't, you couldn't even have a good fucking horse chase in the middle of New York.

If they could jump from roof to roof, as only a horse could,

maybe.

No, they're not.

No, what the fuck do you think?

Looky here, boy, you're really from New Jersey and not Kentucky.

Just because the horse, the horses run like that on the racetrack doesn't mean they can just do the goddamn Darby Allen stunt work of running up and down over slick calves and fucking gaps in them, and they're moving at the same time in the middle of Manhattan without busting their ass about three cabs in.

Well, I guess I'm trying to look at this story on a positive side and think that this horse that was the brave horse that finally broke away was also smart and strong, kind of like a super horse.

And they're able to get away as opposed to they get two cars away and they fall down, break their leg, get shot in the head.

No, here's the better idea.

No.

The horse became a super horse, but before he left, he turned around and said, no.

And then he ran off and then he started the race of the talking horses.

And then it became planet of the horses.

Not nay.

But no.

It could be just planet of the horse.

Or he, and then he fucking breeds with Aubrey and then becomes the race of Minotaurs.

I don't know how this turned around back to this.

It was a, you know, in a way, it was remarkable that it came full circle like that.

But I'm just

something we referenced.

That was the freezer.

How did they do the open open of McCloud?

Back in the 70s, was there just so much less traffic they could have Dennis Weaver and McLeod's open ride the fucking horse down the streets of Manhattan?

I think I told you off air the other day.

I got caught in an episode of Manix the other day.

I couldn't fall asleep till 3 a.m.

You got caught in an episode of Manix?

Wait a minute.

You're not that old.

Manix would have had to caught you between 1967 and 1975.

You got caught up in an episode of Manics.

You weren't the criminal that was apprehended.

I was busted.

In the episode of Manix.

Well,

here we are once again.

That was happy talk, I believe.

Happy enough.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Well, what I do know.

is that there's always great deals, and there are certainly some big ones coming in the future at Cornett's Collectibles.

Yes, at gencornet.com, I should say.

Well, or either way, you know, it's synonymous at this point.

They know where to go.

The people out there, they know where, and I tell them where to go all the time.

JimCornet.com for Cornett's Collectibles, and I may be speaking out of school.

I don't know when you're going to hear this, ladies and gentlemen, but on or around

August 21st-ish, 22nd-ish, depending on his other workload.

Hotchkiss Featherbottom will have completed the uploading of two brand new photographs that you can have personally autographed from me to you or to anybody else, or you can have them say, fuck you.

It doesn't matter to me.

Just send the money and make the order, and I will take care of the rest.

Two new pictures.

One is a classic from the 80s, my

boy teenage idol era.

And one is from my most recent photo shoot, which still happened a couple of years ago, but here in the office, because people have been wanting to see some photographic evidence they can put on their wall of what I look like these days.

So we actually got a new picture.

And it's a very intriguing pose.

I won't spoil it.

I can't wait till you see it.

But that's going to happen.

And

the thank you fuck you buy t-shirts are, well, they're not being.

discontinued.

They're just not being reordered.

We are eliminating the stock of those to income some more things for the holiday season.

So the remaining thank you, fuck you, buy t-shirts if you've been on the fence are on sale for half price.

What more can a boy do

at jimcornet.com and all the other good stuff.

All the other good stuff.

And speaking of good stuff, we'll probably get to some of it after the modern WWE.

Yeah, as soon as soon as we get to the good stuff, ladies and gentlemen, we'll let you know.

But before we get to the modern stuff, I sent you a video because I just discovered it.

It had been up for a little while, apparently, as part of the Savaldi wrestling catalog, whatever they've acquired or licensed or talked people out of.

I don't know what's going on.

Okay,

it's very obscure.

Yes, it surprised me too, but go ahead.

But it's footage from

seemingly Louisville Wrestling TV.

Taped in Louisville, I would imagine, or somewhere near there based on some of the things that are said.

And it's George Gulis as a commentator

with that very unique commentating style, that very unique way of speaking, that very unique voice where his tongue got in the way of his hat teeth, so he couldn't see what he was saying.

But what exactly was it?

Because it goes, he, what it is, is George Gulis asking maybe a dozen, maybe slightly more fans

just their very basic thoughts on what's happening, and then they walk off, and the next person comes out.

Well, what was this?

Okay, and first of all, it is

on the Savoldi's YouTube channel that they released.

And it's a teaser for possibly more things to come because there is more of that episode.

I was

fortunate enough.

I thought I'd mentioned that I'd seen this to you, but I guess I hadn't.

Fortunate enough to be included in the inner circle

because of

it was in Louisville and I was intrigued.

And

apparently, in a variety of the tapes that they have accrued from various sources,

the last,

and I'll tell people how it came to be before

we get finished with this, but the last Louisville live studio TV wrestling show still existed on one of the old two-inch tapes.

two-inch videotapes.

Wow.

And it had never been taped over because it was the last one, as far as I know.

And when it was picked up,

it got put on a shelf and it went wherever, right?

This thing, it's from 1973.

So

they'd had it for years, but it was just labeled Gaga and it wasn't high on their,

you know,

importance list.

But the reason why that Louisville had a TV show,

it's not exactly for sure or for certain.

And of course, bless him, Jerry Jarrett

lived this business for almost 50 years.

So sometimes his memory was either a little faulty or might have weighed more heavily in the favor of him being right about something.

But what had happened is Jarrett's

Louisville Wrestling Enterprises that was running Louisville,

his mother, Christine, was the promoter of record at the building at the Louisville Gardens.

And they had two television airings

during the,

say, spring, summer of 1972 on two different stations.

One was the Memphis show that Jerry was the booker of and primarily responsible for, but because they got a second airing on another station, instead of airing the same show, Nick did,

goddamn, what, five live studio shows in a weekend, Chattanooga, Huntsville, Birmingham,

Nashville at one time.

And so they just used one of Nick's shows that also

featured some of the same talent.

And they had two more, two or three more interview segments to plug the live matches in Louisville, right?

So why not?

But for some reason, Red, we've talked about when Phil Golden's all-star wrestling and Angelo Pafo was involved and was running the same towns, went to the same TV stations, running the same territory that the Pafos ICW would run

several years later.

Phil Golden, his TV ended up on,

as I recall, and my book is not in front of me, but Channel 41.

No, I'm sorry, I tell a lie.

It went the other way.

The point is, instead of Channel 32 and channel 41 both having

uh

jarrett's affiliated wrestling programs phil golden's tv popped up

on

channel 32 and

jarrett began doing a live studio show

in

the wdrb studio in

Louisville here in

at the same time pretty much

and

Jerry remembered it as well.

We thought we could recreate the magic

of,

you know, Memphis with a live studio show in Louisville, which

sounds like a great reason to try it, except there was absolutely no fucking way.

And they knew that at the time, they would have had to have known it

because the way the territory was laid out, you couldn't get the top guys.

in Louisville on Saturday mornings, which was all the way fucking north of the territory when Memphis TV was the bread and butter and it was 400 miles away on Saturday mornings.

And so

George Gulis is on this tape.

Is he the lead commentator on the show?

Yes, oh, more on that in a minute.

Because that was the first thing against them.

And they did it for a while.

And then they started advertising because they would advertise this is the only live

Louisville wrestling taped in the or shown from the studios of blah, blah, blah to counteract Phil Golden's show being from Paducah.

And that was a strategy.

But then they realized decided we can't do a decent show on Saturday.

So they started taping it in the WDRB studio.

But on like a Thursday, I think, when the guys had done Louisville and maybe over to Evansville, or then they'd come back and do that and then shoot off somewhere south on Thursday night, maybe to Nashville.

And they'd show it on Saturday.

But what I've anyway, point is after about nine months,

the whole thing went away.

Golden's TV went off fucking local stations.

Jarrett, the studio show, that was the end of it.

the one that we're talking about.

And everything went back to he would have, you know, a couple of a show on a couple of different stations.

I think

in looking at all those things and just trying to figure it out

that maybe

Golden had caused enough of a stir trying to get on that Jarrett had to prom WDRB, oh, well, we'll do this show right here with you guys and blah, blah, blah, something like that, or the station wanted it.

Or why can't we have instead of just a tape, whatever,

and he, or he was just doing that

specifically somehow to counteract Phil Golden, which

the show Golden was doing, I got a kick out of it, but it didn't need a lot of counteract.

So, for instance, on the clip we're talking about, George Gulis asked some of the fans about Lawler,

White and Bass.

Were they there?

Were they in the studio for any of these shows?

No, no, that's the thing.

They weren't in the studio on that show.

Now, they had been there every once in a while, but more importantly, they needed to, especially when they went to the taped version.

But it was just, it was a low energy,

small crowd, but low energy show because they had to stretch everything out because there wasn't a full group of guys, no matter who was on it.

And

they were tired.

Yet, especially when they're stopping by on a Thursday or a Friday at one point or whatever in the afternoon to wrestle on the way to somewhere else to wrestle.

Right.

So it just didn't have the

oomph.

And also,

did I mention George Gulis?

You did was the announcer.

Because

that was Nick's,

you know, influence.

Well, it was in George.

And I think it Lynn Rossi was on the

other part of this program.

Yeah, he's at the desk too.

Yeah.

Because Lynn

did,

there's films that exist from Nashville, from the gulis in Nashville, Birmingham, Chattanooga, from the mid-70s of Lynn just doing the commentary on the match in the arena with the film camera

just by himself, just on a microphone.

And

bless him.

Great wrestler, wonderful human being.

He was not an announcer.

But he had been Nick's booker for so many years that Nick just said, well, Lynn, you go out there and tell them, you know,

what they're supposed to think about this thing.

You see what I'm saying?

Career ended short, obviously.

Yes, he had a

car accident and fucked up his ankle so badly that in 1972,

he would still have been wrestling for at least another 10 years.

You know, I can't remember how old he was, but he was in great shape.

But yeah, so that's the thing is, and Lynn's just dry

and is a dreary show.

But I mean,

most of Nick's studio shows,

once you had seen the Memphis show with a lot of the same guys, but just more energy and everything,

most of Nick's shows were a little blase

by 75.

Nevertheless.

The reason why also this show, this was the last one, and they knew it was going to be the last one done in the studio there.

So I can't remember who's on it now.

I've got this information, but you hit me with the question with no notes.

But there was like two long matches and an interview with Brian.

Have you ever heard of Stu Phillips and the Balladiers?

No.

Was that the person he mentioned at the end, the grand old Opry singer?

Yes, yes.

Because I swear to God, hold on.

Wait a minute.

I can reach.

I'll I'll tell me you have a record there.

No, hold on.

Oh, God damn it.

I got to get off the headphones.

Hold on, Louie.

Play your organ.

Are you back yet?

Stop playing your organ.

I guess you're back.

Hold on here.

I'll tell you exactly what was going on.

I just got my book.

I got my book, Brian.

And what it was, the date was, hold on, I am.

Yeah,

the date of that telecast

was,

it would have been on Saturday, or were they on Saturday?

Yes, it would have been Saturday, May the 5th of 1973.

And they were promoting

the matches in Louisville for May the 8th.

And it was special attraction.

Stu Phillips and the Balladeers, grand old Opry star and TV personality will perform at intermission.

And they had Stu Phillips in the studio.

And he talked for like five fucking minutes.

This was the worst TV show.

Oh, my God.

But for me to see it again and then not ever known it existed,

and then to have seen it again after 50 years was fucking great.

But here was the card.

See, this is the thing, the opening match.

Terry Garvin and Duke Myers with their manager, Jimmy Garvin, who was 18 years old at that point.

It was his first year in a business.

Against Don Green and Charlie Cook,

Al Costello and Don Kent, the fabulous kangaroos, against Bobby Hart and Lorenzo Parenti,

who were, and Lorenzo Parenti especially was in and out of the territory for years and years.

And they're the third of three matches, return six-man grudge tag team match, Jerry Jarrett, Jackie Fargo, and Tojo Yamamoto against Jerry Lawler, Jim White, and Sam Bass.

And

with all due respect to the people in the first two tag team matches, the fans could have given a shit.

who was in those matches.

They came to see, and they'd give a shit about a Stu Phillips.

and they still i don't have the figure because i was not there live but for the averages in those days they were drawing three or four thousand people to see that six man tag main event what do you make of stu phillips i mean is that something that's part of like we're trying to really show the other side what we could do or is it no someone asked a favor hey could you get him on your show what is that no because here's the thing they just won the war phil golden show now that i'm looking at this i'll fill you in the on may the 1st their the advertisement was, Watch the only championship studio wrestling produced live in Louisville and shown the following day.

So it was Friday, like Friday at noon or whatever before they headed to fucking Memphis.

It's shown the following day exclusively on WDRB-TV channel 41, Saturday from 2 to 3 p.m., right?

The next week, the ad says, watch all-star championship wrestling returning to WLKY-TV channel 32

on Saturday, May the 5th at 11.30 a.m.

and WDRB channel 41 Saturday from 2 to 3 p.m.

So

Golden Show went away.

Jared had two shows again.

The studio show

ceased to exist

all at the same time.

So they couldn't wait to get out of that fucking thing.

Did you know any of the fans that were interviewed?

Did you recognize any of them?

No, see, I wasn't going.

That was before I was even going to the matches.

I just, it might not have been a full year.

I'd figured out all this shit was on television.

And for a while, I can

ask my mom, right?

Can we go to the to the matches?

And she's like, Jimmy, we're not going downtown after dark or whatever.

And then finally, I talked her into it.

And then she was like, well, Jesus Christ, there's 4,000 people here.

And it's all lit up.

What the fuck?

We don't really have to worry about being slaughtered.

So you saw the Phil Golden TV.

How did you discover that?

Well, because when I found out about it, that's the thing.

Golden had gotten on the air some way

after we've gone back and looked at the old ads and et cetera

in September of 1972.

And that's about the time or the summer of whatever that I've found Bruiser's TV and then knew to start looking for the thing called wrestling,

you know, in the paper.

And well, here it became.

So, you know,

I got probably right before that, because I got used to seeing

the regular folks and Nick Gulis, who you can't, even as a child, I can't get that voice out of my head doing the fucking local promos.

But, and then all of a sudden, here's Buzz Benson with, you know,

Giant Frazier and Sweet Daddy Watts.

They were the world's largest tag team because Frazier was 425 and

Sweet Daddy Watts was like 400 pounds, but he was only like five foot six.

So it was an amusing contrast.

And that was Gorilla Watts.

Yes.

For Gunkle, yeah.

So up against Cowboy Bill Watts, a booker, they all of a sudden booked this guy as Gorilla Watts.

Yes, and it was complimentary.

Just, it was a shade beyond uncomplimentary.

But anyway, point is, so all this was happening, so I was able to see these two shows, but

at the same time, and I remember Golden's being on Saturday nights

because if I was, you know, after 11 o'clock, I'm watching TV every once in a while.

I get my mom to fix pancakes where I could have pancakes and watch the Von Brauners and Saul Weingeroff talk bad about Frazier and Sweet Daddy Watts.

And the best for the the Sweet Daddy Watts, obviously, I guess people don't even remember much less take this for granted, but he

had a pronounced stutter.

And they let him do promos.

And between Frasier,

between the folksy neighbor, you know, promo that he did, and then

Sweet Daddy Watts would just try to thank the audience for their support.

And it would literally be like somebody firing a machine gun of

thank you.

And that's all he'd say sometimes, or he'd get mad, and it was even worse.

I'm just, it was just, you know, it was local television.

What can I say?

How shocked are you this tape exists?

Oh, well, and again, I was very shocked because I wouldn't ever have dreamed that this, but what they were doing

because I watched Teeny Miss Jared, do it years later, the same thing, a different station.

Every week when they came to Louisville, they would drop

the tape of the next week's TV show at the TV station personally and pick up last week's to take it back to be taped over.

And

that's why I say the reason why I think is because this was the very last one.

It was picked up and taken back, but not taped over to send back because they were sending another

tape from another station to blah, blah, blah.

And so that's how somehow it might have ended up sitting on a shelf.

Is it unreasonable to think there may be more episodes from that run that weren't taped over?

That's the problem is,

especially the way these things might have been labeled.

I don't know that Savoldi has any more.

If not, maybe he's holding out on me, but they could be floating around anywhere.

One time,

I swear to God, you know, Frazier was the king of discount shoes and clothing and flea market and swap meat type of sales.

I've heard a story that he

helped them clean out

the office at one point in the late 70s and took a bunch of the tapes over to the flea market and sold them for blank tapes.

And I mean, there's all shit.

It It just,

who knows?

But, but, but this is,

it's an interesting artifact because it's the last show for all the reasons I talked about.

And it preserves George and the way that he spoke.

And can you imagine within a year, Nick had stuck him in the ring?

That's what I was going to ask you.

When did he start wrestling?

About a year later, after Nick had made him an announcer, not only of the, I think he may have started on the Louisville show.

I think that may have been where they were because they had other at least experienced announcers in Chattanooga, Harry Thornton and Birmingham was all Sterling Brewer.

And

so

Mike Duncan had done Nashville.

So he probably said, well, give George a chance to do the show in Louisville.

And they didn't need him anywhere else.

So there it was, right?

And then he made him a special referee.

I can't remember the date, but when he became a special referee,

his name was in bigger print than the goddamn people in the main event.

Special NWA referee, George Gulis.

And it'd be like Luthes versus Buddy Rogers.

Was it already George Gulis?

Oh, yeah, except the first round of publicity pictures where Nick,

Nick had pictures of George taken with every babyface in the territory.

And then they had all kinds of them made up.

And it would say George Nick Gulis with so-and-so.

And he was using George Nick Gulis because Nick, I guess, I mean, that's his legal fucking name.

But I think Nick thought that it would get him over even more if they absolutely for certain

that George was his son because he, well, he's been on TV for 40 years here, right?

I mean, that's the thing.

I don't know what Nick Gulis's accent is exactly.

And I've seen footage of him much later in life, but I've heard you do this for years.

But then you hear George, and it's like, okay,

it's kind of like his dad, but there's a whole nother thing.

Like, it's hard to figure out why they're talking like that.

Well,

you see, here, let me tell you this, boy.

You see, here, I

the Gulis family was Greek.

I don't,

you probably know more Greek people people than i do living in the northeast it doesn't you know

but also the not i don't want to say impediment of speech but just whatever and the pattern and the staccato nature sometimes and then george took all of that that nick had and emits it through his nose so you've got that extra component of

And it just, it was, but yeah, a TV announcer, then babyface special nwa referee and he was in the ring months after that that footage and you know it so much better than me the luke graham match where george gulis makes the save yes i think it was nashville but maybe you'll tell me i'm wrong but when was that

uh that

is probably

i'm going to say 1970 and it could be one of these deals oh gosh it was december 74 but i'm going to say some point 1975 just off the top of my head.

And that's, you know,

he's been wrestling for a year, maybe.

But he had the

NWA title match with Harley in 78.

And this TV that we're talking about, where he's still an announcer, is May of 73.

You know, I should probably know this, and it may just be Scott Teal.

I know I have it in the archive.

Who took the famous photo of Jackie Fargo, Tojo Yamamoto, Jerry Jarrett, and George Gulis?

Oh, the color one?

Yeah, the color one of them in the locker room and George has the biggest smile on his face ever.

Yes.

Yes.

And they've all got their jackets on and everything.

Yes.

I'm pretty sure that's a Mike Shields.

Oh, okay.

Interesting.

And now, and if I, if Scott hears this and it is his,

then I apologize.

But from what that I'm

thinking from what

from everything that they were doing and this was color color and it was sold in the louisville inn i'm thinking maybe they did it in in memphis or at some point like that i don't know but it's it's either mike shields or scott teal

one would think

all right but and also george interviewing the fans

is because they ran short they had nobody left they didn't

you know what else are we going to do here oh well who do you think is going to win and it was just and you could tell george had no personality was awkward with people.

And they don't, these people stumbled in there on a Friday afternoon, and they've seen two matches and heard a dissertation from Stu Phillips.

And then here's this fucking bean pole with a speech impediment asking them your questions.

And

some of those people had played hookie from school.

So now they're on fucking tape.

I like the guy who was like kind of pissed off.

He's like, the referee's blind.

Yeah.

Well, somebody had to say it.

God damn it.

I'm not scared like these children.

Yeah.

Well, this has been Local Wrestling Talk.

Yes.

And Jim, from there, why don't we travel all the way

to

the world of WWE, Las Vegas for a lot of this.

WWE Unreal, the final episode, episode five.

Well, I'll tell you, let me just, you caught me while I was taking a sip.

Where is that?

Oh, I'll tell you what.

That is on Netflix, available.

No, I don't mean that.

I mean, where was it in my,

in my preparation?

Is it more like my preparation age?

Because this thing's definitely getting up my ass.

This was, of course, of Horth.

And a horse is a horth.

What is happening today?

I don't know.

Well, I'm telling you, I got to have this tooth pulled.

I've told you about that.

Yes.

This was the month leading up to WrestleMania.

And then the, of course, the big climactic two nights of the big event.

And

they started out the show.

Tell me what you think, Brian, but they started out the show with talking about Cena's heel turn.

And there's the big talking head of John there.

You know, you could tell they were magnifying the booze, but they also reminded us of all the horrible things that he said

during that time.

Yeah.

And this is now playing right after he's apologized.

And you would think they wouldn't want to remind people.

But

I forgot when he was cutting that promo and he was like pointed out some kid in the crowd.

And he went after him.

The kid just standed there.

I forgot about that.

And fuck you, you little shit.

As Holy Anderson used to say, all the little dumb shits in the dumb shit family.

And

then they led to a writer's room meeting.

They're trying to build the story: is Jay going to stand up under the pressure of all that we're giving him?

That we're putting him over.

Is he going to stand up under all the pressure?

And they're actually, they're doing the same thing we do.

We critique his work, but they're doing it in their own company to their own guy.

It was the writer's room Zoom meeting where we got to see all their their cherubic faces peeking out at us from multiple screens.

It looked like goddamn Brady Bunch of Nobody Ever Got Laid.

And they're talking about Jay,

well, he's been blown up and he's he missed the dive.

And they showed him falling over his ass over tea kettle, missing a dive.

And he's struggling under pressure.

And again, I'm like, does the,

I know they're trying to make everybody human, but

a lot of your heroes aren't supposed to be human.

And besides that, do we need to air the dirty laundry with, again, all of these fucking moon-faced writers that are just mugging for their Zoom camera?

Yeah, we know.

We might have to just take this away from him.

What did you think?

See, how manufactured was all that?

Because again, we're not fans of his in-ring work, but he has done an amazing job as a personality and a lot of the big promo segments of the last few years facial expressions everything other than like work yeah I really really like him and he seems to have excelled ever since Stephen P.

New got them yeet

but they were making it

they were making it out like he was gonna I mean when they say

These pressures or live up to these standards, are they talking about like just doing media and waking up and flying around everywhere or what exactly?

Well, no, because they're trying to, and to be honest, I think they've done a good job of

building this up to where these guys and girls are always about to fucking crack under the goddamn pressure of this.

And that if he can't carry the ball, we'll have to throw it to somebody else type of thing, where they're that kind of competition.

that they believe that

will make people think, well, that's real, even if it's all horseshit, they're telling them what to do.

But they

overshadow, and there is something to that, which I will a tip of the hat and a wag of the finger at the same time over that.

But when you also go into such microscopic detail

by showing how the producers are telling them every move to make before they are predicting every move they'll make, because they know,

then you take

and/or magnifying it on topic here, the weaknesses that the guy has.

You take away from the oomph of, I don't know, do we want

to know that, you know, the guy is

fucking up,

you know, in that many different areas.

We're trying to accentuate the positives.

I'm just a promoter.

I'm not a dramatic fucking expert of reality television.

Who was it?

I forget now.

Was it Bobby Roode here who was doing that, watching the match?

He was calling out each move, or was it someone else?

Uh, I don't think it was rude on this one.

I can't remember.

I forget now, yeah.

But

but there's several instances, but

okay, here's an example: they did a segment on Charlotte and Tiffany

and their heat where the promo went off the rails and they

insinuated dalliances with the other one's penis.

And I don't know what the fuck was going on with all of those things.

But

immediately after that happens,

backstage, all the officials confer, and they say, well, go make Tiffany apologize.

You know,

now

instead of making

people know that they really got pissed at each other.

So instead of letting us have that,

then immediately one's told to go apologize.

That's not the way we do things around here.

And then when they go out and have a match, which is later on in the show, but I'll spoil the finish because it happened in April.

They go out and have their match.

And it was stiff.

And I believe we halfway liked it, right?

Is that one of the things that we didn't take the piss out of?

And I remember wondering about her tooth, what was going on.

I'm glad to see they had no idea either.

And then

we see that and then they come back and hug each other and thank each other.

Even the shit that happens that

can isra, they will immediately then make people apologize for

publicly.

I'm not saying there shouldn't have been an apology.

And I'm not saying there shouldn't have been a hug.

But I'm saying leave us not to fucking slit the throat of the easter bunny before the kid's too old

just to coin a phrase what do you think of clapping for everyone like that gorilla becomes like just this area where everyone gathers to clap for the person when they come back what do you think of that that

well i get now it's expected i guess and people would be offended if it didn't happen but

I mean, every once in a while,

most of the time that there was, you know, when a guy came back from having a fantastic match, it was the locker room, not the gorilla, because it wasn't gorilla, because it didn't need to be gorilla, because it wasn't on television.

But, you know, in the

80s when TV ramped up,

if guys were at a monitor where the fucking guy that just came from the ring would be coming through the curtain on his way to the locker room, you can imagine this setup, and they see him.

There were occasions, mostly for flair,

where the

guys would applaud because, well, there's the guy, and we just saw him.

What a match, right?

But it's

it was never a ritual for

everybody to come in and hug everybody involved just right there.

You went back to the locker room, unless it was a long goddamn way, or you know, it was a dark spot.

Hey, you know, with two guys, hey, thanks, boom.

but there wasn't ceremony around it

and that's a

I don't know you know it's like that thing that Howard Baum said it a long time ago they're like theater kids I think what did he say swole theater kids theater kids who work out and it seems like I don't know if emotionally is the right word but a lot of them kind of want that they want the the big hug with your castmates even the referees back there clapping they want you know the bow i mean they they seem to like that.

And I mean, that's the thing at the house shows, right?

Guys, because there was no, there were no phones, no internet, no prisons, no workhouses.

So guys would watch the matches.

And when you came back through the curtain, if the other six heels that were on the show, if there was four of them that were watching the match, you know, hey, they wouldn't even applaud necessarily.

Wow, you tore the house dad.

Some element of encouragement.

Yeah, hey, thank you.

And that made you feel good because you already knew you did because the fucking people were reacting.

But if

you came back and the people are sitting there with their dick in their hand, wondering if the popcorn is too salty.

And then they just kind of, you know, let you walk on by and hey, everybody all right?

I mean, you literally see people stand up clapping while still watching their monitor.

They're not even looking at the person they're allegedly clapping on.

It's almost like, yep, it's time to clap.

And now I'll go back to watching what I was watching on this monitor.

But, well, and should we talk about, because I'm looking at the

order of notes I took.

I will say that the long writers meeting where they talked about who should win at WrestleMania with Seth and Punk and Roman.

Oh, your boy Ed Koski.

But just everybody was in that.

They're expressing the viewpoints.

I wonder if they already had that meeting for real and then they're redoing the meeting because they were also.

This is the most low-energy, boring,

non-profane, blase booking meeting that I would have ever.

I've never been in one like that.

If you're not

pitching something with some fucking animation, or goddamn, how about this, or whatever the fuck?

And, and that, I don't,

but the random waffling around about the whole thing

i again i don't think it does any good when

you're just

there's that there was some element in the early show of the

of exploiting the dislike legitimate personal animatheta

between Seth Rollins and Punk.

And you have Heyman who can he can blur people's lines in just a personal one-on-one conversation.

And you could have, you know, you could do some things and, you know, et cetera.

But now,

here's another thing I was going to discuss.

That's what I was looking for: is everybody

is a goddamn nervous wreck.

These guys and girls.

I've never seen,

and I know I haven't been around the fucking locker room in a while but rio was talking about i i have panic attack or panic attacks or an attack she said last year before mania in the makeup chair she said she had it i think right yes

and i've never seen the level of stress i've been around a lot of wrestling shows this play in my life is point that i'm making And I've never seen the level of stress on the talent as they have now.

And I know, yes, everything is bigger and more grand and glorious.

Is it that, or is it also because now they realize they've got a fucking fall through fucking

fully stocked Home Depot for the night or what?

I don't know, but

it's a shame

because that

used to be the happy place, right?

And the big show used to really be the happy place because, my God, we're going to get a fucking big check for this.

the panic

came when

have we got heat?

Are we going to get fucking attacked or cut or sued

or in a fucking beef?

Or are we going to court?

Panic is if I'm hurt.

Am I going to have surgery?

Not remembering spots.

Am I going to be, you know, well, and guys panic?

But that wasn't panic attacks before the match.

A guy would fucking have a brain fart and forget the fucking spot.

He wouldn't know that he'd forgotten it until he realized he'd forgotten it.

And then boom, and then you get over it.

Oh, Jesus Christ, you kicked me in the face.

Well, you didn't move.

But the dread or the nerves of beforehand.

The only time that I get the panic when a big show, if the house was going to bomb, and, you know, that was a panic attack.

If you had a riot in the crowd, panic attack.

But the happy place used to be for all not just me

but most of the guys when they went to the once they were in the ring especially if they were featured

they could have a nice 15 or 20 minutes before they had to get back through the crowd or fucking goddamn as long as they're not hurt when they come out

you know what but just The level of stress is disconcerting to that used to be the one thing when you get in the ring, you're in charge of everything.

I don't know.

And everybody hugs and cries.

There's a lot of crying now.

Yeah.

A lot.

And

even

Punk was crying.

And I didn't.

And actually,

if he, I liked his cry the best because he did take

no.

He did take like 25 years to achieve his childhood goal.

And he made events wrestlemania and he gets all teary eyed over it well that without saying that the business is fake there's nothing about the fake or real that's

great right

but then it's the same thing as aew

there's six other people crying on the show well then that's just a goddamn fucking funeral it's a cry fest

It's too much crying.

I mean, he was crying on the shoulder of Triple H.

That was something to see.

Well, hopefully he got a little snotty.

Triple H has this thing, too, where he like gets in guys' faces

to tell them how much he loves them.

Punk here was emotional, and it's what he wanted to hear, and they hugged.

Jey Uso,

the whole time, you could tell what he's thinking, which is, this is nice, but you're two inches from my face, boss.

Yeah, he's a close talker.

I want to get away from you right now.

Please, please.

Can someone make this man quit touching me?

Thank you for the nice words.

Send the check.

I'll be in the back.

There's a number of people that don't look comfortable with just

going into a goddamn bear hug with everybody.

And yes, the Triple H pep talks are obviously, he's mic'd.

He knows he's mic'd.

I'm not saying he doesn't think the matches are good or whatever, but it's somewhat performative that he's

giving his blessing like the wrestling Pope to all of the validation of all of their dreams and hopes.

I want to see, I want to see fucking Steve Austin in gimmick or Brock Lesnar just, you know, on any fucking day with a Y in it, walk through there and

straight arm them and go and talk about where he can send his paycheck to.

Because this is just, it's ridiculous.

Did Vince ever do that around you when you were there?

The pep talk to guys before they went out, like face to to face?

Belly to belly.

Yes, but a pep talk in terms of

instructions on the way out of make sure you do this, that, the other thing, you can do it, whatever the fuck, boom.

And on the way back, great, pal, excellent.

Just what we needed.

That type, but there was no

Even with Vince, there was no goddamn dry humping and simulated

rabbitication or whatever the fuck going on.

Now they're humping each other over hitting a fucking hip toss.

Becky Lynch knocked

Michael Hayes' hat off and he is as bald as a cue ball on top.

That's why he's always holding on to that hat.

And

I shouldn't laugh because it'll happen to all of it.

It's happening to me slowly, more slower than Michael, apparently, because he's only a couple years older than me.

But I shouldn't,

but I've wondered why he was wearing the

suits.

And now I guess it's just because the jacket matches the hat that he has to wear.

Yeah, the suits is a bad look.

He should go back to the rock and roll look.

I came out of this really liking Michael Hayes.

I think out of everyone on that writing team, I came out of this, he was my favorite one.

He seems to be the most level-headed.

And

what in the world am I saying?

From the time I met him in 1979, I never believed that these words would come out of my mouth.

Michael Hayes appears to be the level-headed one of the bunch

with some personality.

So

anyway,

they just did Cody, Cody Rhodes, Cody, Cody Rhodes.

They gave him a hotel suite with an echo.

Did you see that fucking joint?

Yeah.

I got a goddamn.

I think one time at WrestleMania, we were like in Chicago at a fucking,

can't remember, it might have been a travel lodge.

Vegas.

He gets a hotel suite that you can play baseball in.

It dragged on a while, and then Aria talked about the panic attacks.

And then

they did the package on the women's three-way with the producer in the back.

What's the dave?

Jason Jordan, was he the one that did the girls, or was that the night after?

Oh, Jason Jordan was the guy I was thinking of that was calling the spots.

That's who it was.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, regardless, he's done one of them here, but this is just night one, right?

Oh, and I didn't mention Rhea Ripley went to a cool store in Las Vegas.

I would actually go to that store if I was in Las Vegas, but I wouldn't travel to Las Vegas just to go to that store.

But they, the

three-way, everybody hugged and cried.

Then it was,

or this was night fucking two already.

Did I skip something?

Yeah, whatever.

Point is the Heyman turn.

Did you skip the Heyman turn?

Oh, the Heyman turn.

Yes.

I was skipping ahead looking for goddamn who I was blaming for the other shit.

Yeah, you wanted to talk about Rhea going to a cool shop, as you put it.

Ah,

oh, no, no.

The

goddamn, and Jay and Gunther and Jay won.

So it said, see, they figured that it was okay because they vindicated Jay in the end.

Oh, but he couldn't carry the load.

But in the meantime, they've called out

flaws that he still has.

And yes, the whole Heyman turn, but again, Michael Hayes was walking us through it.

And

I could see again if he was saying, oh, wait, keep your keep camera on Heyman,

but not

Heyman is going to hand him the thing in two seconds.

And

it's just so

inside baseball.

We're looking up the magician's sleeve.

It's like they're puppets.

There's not even room for interpretation.

I don't like that part of it being spoiled.

And

again then

paul

paul so far have you heard paul utter a goddamn non-committal word or unnon-committal i guess i should say

anything on this show that

that would commit him to to the backstage that would blow the mystique nothing that would blow the mystique nothing somehow he's just and for a target that large and a with a girth to be able to navigate these narrow twists and turns

and slip right through.

It's like a fucking whale going through the Holland Tunnel.

All right.

Well, back to WWE Unreal.

Yes, then we got Cody and Cena.

And

Cena talked us through the match, how he.

They cheered me, but they didn't hate Cody.

See, I listened and I knew how to tell if they hated Cody.

Well, no, no, shit, they don't hate anybody anymore.

This is all a big bunch of fucking gag out of them.

But they did edit Travis Scott's entrance down from six minutes to 10 seconds.

And again, you know,

the move-by-move thing.

And everybody knows what happens.

Cody.

faltered hitting Cena with the belt and Cena kicked him in the nuts, hitting with the belt one, two, three.

It looked even worse than this from the angle they showed.

Cena begging off and Cody falling for it.

Well, and that's the thing.

All of us being reminded again of something I thought we had successfully moved on from.

And Triple H actually said, Well, this match,

it wasn't as good as the triple threat

or the girls, but it was what we needed.

So it was like he was shut that fucking hell.

And Travis Scott said, This is the best feeling in the world

until he got felt up by somebody else.

The best part was having a ball.

He was Travis Scott, every time they showed him, he was having a great time.

He just showed up, big wrestling fan with his marked belt.

And they're like, sure, go be in the main event.

Walk out.

And then

the next week, well, there was a pretty light shining on the wall.

And he got distracted and said, I'll do something else.

The best part of the show was the last two minutes where they showed the crew packing up and the loadout, and Triple H saying, that's the thing

it will never be over, it never ends.

And that's why my hats are off to these people, especially anybody that's within 15 years as old as I am,

to want to be out there for in any capacity announcing,

refereeing,

doing the fucking catering, whatever,

with that schedule, with that level of production, with that many pains in a fucking ass as they have now.

It's a wonder that all of them aren't bat shit insane and just go postal and start fucking swinging from a bell tower.

Well, that was WWE Unreal, episode five.

There was an announcement, and of course, they had something on the screen.

It will return next year

for like just much like the rock.

It will return next year.

Much like the next herpes outbreak.

Did you hear about that?

What?

No, apparently there's a video of Mandy Rose saying that there was a herpes outbreak at developmental at some point.

Oh, good.

Like, now I can't even mention herpes without it being tied to fucking wrestling.

That's what you were referencing.

No, and herpes is just a good old standby.

In Orlando, yes.

Well, all over the country.

You know, but it can come back on you if you want, if you don't watch out.

Well, Jim,

perhaps you have all these stresses on your mind, whether it's

a heaviness.

The business being exposed or the rise of wrestling herpes.

There's a lot to think about.

It may be hard to get a good night's sleep.

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And here we are.

It sounds like we've passed on.

Well, Jim, speaking of passed on, sometimes that's the feeling one has when watching WWE Raw on Monday nights on Netflix.

You know it won't go forever, but sometimes it feels like it is going forever or that nothing happens forever.

And there's lots and lots of

stars at the beginning and the end and lots of people in the middle.

Let's talk about WWE Raw.

Well, you know, I was suitably chastened over the past and tongue-lashed even

over the past week or so.

Because, you know, a couple of weeks ago, we pre-taped a show because of our schedules.

And we said, well, we'll just, because people are saying, oh, we, we're sick and tired of the reviews of modern wrestling.

We love the history pieces.

So we said, well, we'll do a show of history pieces.

And then people are like, well, where's the reviews?

We can't have any fun and laugh at this shit without the reviews.

You're doing too much history.

I don't, what,

what, what can we possibly do brian to satisfy everybody

so we what i was trying to do was watch some of the modern wrestling it's as we mentioned over the past couple of shows going to get harder and harder to do

are we going to write a list

and and hang it up next to the tv okay now raw's on netflix

But the fucking pay-per-views on ESPN, but

the SmackDown is on what are we going to have to have a graph?

Is there a pie chart?

How are you going to be able to keep this track of this?

It's a lot, it's a lot of different places.

I saw some sort of image that someone concocted this past week just to show what the average price per year would be to subscribe to everything.

And it was, you know, well over $1,100.

I forget exactly what it was.

I shouldn't name any number, but

I saw $100 a month

for, but not even the cost, but just the

goddamn.

How hard do people need to work to memorize how to watch?

Because I'm sorry, I know the kids love streaming,

but

most people I see, especially under the age of 30,

don't seem like they're smart enough, quick enough on the uptake, as Mama Cornette used to say,

to be able to remember what to watch, where, when, how, and why.

This is where I'm going with this.

Especially when you get two and a half hours with a beginning and an end and a lot in the middle of nothing.

You know, again, especially the younger people and everyone coming up now,

it's a generation or two that, without knowing it, has murdered network programmers.

Because programming as a concept and a lot of scheduling as a concept is out the window.

Everyone watches whatever they want when they want it

on whatever platform they want it on.

And

WWE is going to be on every platform and they're going to have deals with every platform.

So they're going to be pushed as a priority.

It's pretty overwhelming what's going to happen.

But yeah, younger kids today, again, they don't know what channel is what.

They don't know what channels are.

They don't watch cable.

It's not a thing for young people.

If you are just a regular fan of something and not like

the devoted folks that we speak to or the, you know, the

real hardcore AEW or WWE fans either way,

but just the average person.

The average person

is how.

How much time do they have to go about the, oh, I got to make sure I watch Raw every week.

Wrestling viewership was built on we watch every week to see what the story is and the blah blah blah

when they can just catch up on it next month or i can't remember what what service are we supposed to go to sam to watch raw this week or whatever i i i fear we're going to lose some continuity people

i think also

Even though a lot of their deals are for live, almost everything, for live broadcasts, the live part doesn't really mean anything anymore.

People are just going to watch when they want to watch it.

Well, maybe or maybe not.

I'll tell you about my experience

for the raw that we were about to discuss that was broadcast on August 18th, mere hours ago as we speak.

And they were in Philadelphia.

They had 13,056 people in Philadelphia.

The business is going to hell.

Just the bottom's falling out of it.

Only 13,000.

They're going crazy with the drone drone shots, though.

I almost had to take some seasick medicine in this first entrance, just with all of the flying about.

It's picking up speed, too.

Yes.

Is there a speed limit on those things?

If it went out of control and just fell into the crowd at 60 miles an hour?

That's the biggest lawsuit ever.

It flies into the arena, just keeps going straight and crashes into a woman's face.

Yes.

Remember old Fabio was on the roller coaster back about 30 years ago, and he got hit in the face with a fucking pigeon, came down all bloody.

Yeah, there are plenty of people there filming it.

The idea of all the time for it to happen, the press is there.

Well, I'll tell you, when Fabio goes to the amusement park, he gets a lot of attention.

Anyway, so speaking of people, it looked like the bird has flown into their face.

Here came Paul Heyman

with Seth Rollins and the bronze.

And I love the look of this group.

Bronson Reed, especially, is looking great.

The tribal thief and the Shula Falla and the whole thing.

He looks like a star.

Braun Breaker is the future of wrestling.

I mean, Seth is colorful.

You know, but the thing is, Seth is the top guy that makes them elevated.

This is a kind of a new version of the horseman type of thing, but not

you're trying to fill those particular

personalities, but the concept.

And Paul was, of course, happy he was in Philadelphia.

He was too humble for a statue.

And he put his guys over.

He gives Bron Breaker the big introduction and Bron said Reed, and then the big one for Seth.

and introduces him and the people sing because they're stars.

We're all just singing and cheering here.

And Seth starts to speak, and it's Jey Uso's music.

So, so we're like 10 minutes into the show.

We've heard the guys in the ring introduced, is what we've got

accomplished so far.

And the waving and the yeeting and the dancing, and now he's letting the kids yeet on the microphone.

It's like George Gulis in the Louisville studio.

Who do you think is going to win?

And

he does the promo from the crowd, but,

you know, Paul was great in his delivery, but

basically Jay said he was going to beat Seth

in Paris

and kind of alluded to fighting Breaker tonight.

And then Seth confirmed that.

So we had it,

had it right.

And then.

Again, a good thing they did.

Seth fired Braun Breaker up to be so mad at at Uso, telling him that he doesn't respect him or his family, that Braun was ready to go after him.

Sally, that number gets Braun,

it establishes his

short temper, fuse, whatever.

And also

it starts establishing that Seth manipulates Braun

for his own purposes.

And then

Paul had to do the promo about the bingo hall at ECW and hype up the no disqualification rules.

And they're going to make the main event the extreme rules because they're in Philadelphia.

More on this in a minute.

But

he mentioned a bunch of the ECW legends.

He invoked the spirits of the Sandman

and New Jack and Van Dam,

the late great Sabu,

the late great Tommy Dreamer.

And he's, I know he's not dead yet, but he should be.

I thought they had made up, or is he just giving him a little chuckle?

Is that putting him over, Mr.

Hardcore?

He should be dead.

He should be.

Well, I thought he was talking about his

never having really been one to take care of his physical conditioning in terms of diet and exercise, but

the Dudley boys, et cetera.

And then Jay shut him up and said, okay, I'll agree to it.

Extreme rules.

And I wrote, oh, great.

I can't wait.

That's so unique.

Well, I mean,

what did we just say last week?

Not only is the pattern here, everybody's going to come out and either make or add to the main event,

whether they get in a fight or not, and they're going to come back at the end and they're going to have a fucking match and then somebody's going to run out.

But in the meantime, it's so unique that we would have a match where there's no rules.

There's no disqualification.

Furniture.

And we were 20 minutes into the show to get that accomplished.

Give me your thoughts on the thing as a whole, but I just, I wish they'd just pick it up a little.

Yeah, I thought Heyman was a bit much here, and I'm usually a big fan of his.

Lately, I've kind of felt that I said it last time: Heyman by the numbers.

But when he started talking about Bronson Reed, he pulled me back in because it's so perfect.

And you want to talk about something that can get someone over a crossover appeal,

the bully that steals people's sneakers?

Run with that.

I think that's great.

All the nicknames were funny, but they weren't like they weren't said in a goofy way.

You know what I mean?

The way

It adds to the gimmick.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I really like that.

Braun Breaker is breaking out as we see.

Rollins is a bit much.

I can't.

He's still to be the weak link in this whole thing, to be quite honest with you.

I feel like Bronson Reed and Braun Breaker would be going further right now, if not weighed down by

the guy in the rose-colored outfit.

Whatever the hell was happening there.

Baggy outfit, too.

It was like David Byrne-esque.

and david burn wore really bad

stop stop making sense

but no i seth right now seth has the reputation

and so i can see the elevation from the reputation and that there's something to seth and braun breaker at some point so they're they're laying the the groundwork

and we'll see where they go with this uh

Heyman group.

It's now called The Vision.

What do you think of the name, The Vision?

Well, that's, you know, there's all kinds of vision.

You can have double vision or heat vision or poor vision.

Sometimes you just lose track of what you're saying right in the middle of saying it.

You never know when you get to be Paul's age.

So he better watch.

Maybe he's got a new name for the group every week.

Well, this is your show.

No, it's not.

Oh, damn it.

Well, back to W.

I'm not to answer your question seriously.

I'm not just turning cartwheels over the vision right now.

Let's see what his vision is.

See if it's 2020.

But anyway, back to the program.

The point is, then the next

hour and fucking a half of the show were filled with the girls' matches, the backstage discussions, the mid-card guys, the commercials, and more of the commercials.

And then we got to Naomi.

And

the word,

the word on the street, the word out there had been that she hadn't been medically cleared for the past match or two matches or whatever.

Everybody was,

the information was being kept close, but they were afraid she was going to be out for a long time and were like, oh, what the fuck, you know, just right now when they've done all this.

And so

she comes to the ring.

Adam Pierce brings her out

and she's emotional and she's starting to sniffle.

And she says, this is hard, guys.

And then

what was supposed to happen was she was going to pitch to watch the big screen, the Titan Tron, if they still call it that, whatever the fuck.

But the Tron tape jumped her pitch and kind of stepped on it.

It was like, watch, and it was video from Stephanie's podcast with Naomi

Which Uso is she married to?

Jimmy, Jimmy.

And

by the way, she's a heel and he's a babyface.

Yeah, Jesus Christ.

I can't stand these.

I don't want these interspecies marriages, babyfaces, and heels.

But anyway, she announces she's pregnant.

She's praised.

She's Becky Lynchdom.

We had just been talking about how much we've enjoyed her heel work,

even here.

I mean, eventually even here in this segment, she's fantastic on the mic and believable as a heel.

And it seemed like it was just getting going.

And it's gone.

And she ain't going to be a heel anytime in the near future because she instantly turned babyface.

And

but I mean, you know, some people are happy about children.

I have a more bleak viewpoint.

But at the same

time,

the same thing we said with Peggy Lynch, the timing,

all of not only of her work and training, however long she's been in the wrestling business from the time she first started going to wrestling school.

And to all that work, and

also when she walked out with Mercedes Moon, right, a couple years ago in solidarity with her friend that immediately went on to a high-paying job, and Naomi floated around in the sea of obscurity until she came back.

And then they give her a big push, and she

turns heel and she becomes interesting, and she's the champion of the biggest company in the world.

And now,

but it's not just speaking from someone not only

has been talent, but also administration.

Not only have other people put her over to get her there.

And I know they're all happy as clams.

She's pregnant too, but I'm tie as valuable commodities on my roster as far as being a booker, matchmaker, talent coordinator.

All these people have contributed to this: the booking, the fucking producing, the whole nine yards.

And

anybody can get injured,

but this is like a

self-inflicted broken leg at the biggest moment of your career.

One would think.

Congratulations to Naomi and Big Jim.

I'm sure this is going to be a wonderful, happy moment for them and their family.

That's the way we should look at it.

Everybody, well, and everybody, like everybody cries a lot and everybody gets happy a lot in wrestling today.

And how good was her promo here?

But then she turned.

Well, here's the thing.

She turned heel on Pierce

and says, but I ain't relinquishing shit.

And everybody cheered her more because now,

no, she can come out and fucking be eating steaks made from Bambi.

And nobody's going to boo her now.

And she cuts a great promo.

She said, all the girls should ought to thank Jimmy because none of y'all could have beat me out of beat y'all all up.

Come on, that was amazing.

That was

amazing.

That's what I'm saying.

And the fans are, you deserve it.

And then she

just laughed.

She was cackling and didn't leave.

And the fans chanted, baby you so.

And she laid the bell down and said, I'll be back in nine months to get it, even if I come back with my baby in my arms.

What a heel.

And the people, they carried her out of the fucking building on her shoulders.

I understand next week she's running for public office in Philly.

At one point they chanted OTC.

I don't know why they did that.

Well, but no, she said the bloodline will continue.

And that's when they did that.

Oh, that's true.

I don't know why they would go to Roman, though.

Well, I guess it was more polite than saying yeet to the pregnant woman.

of the unless they're in waiting that it's Jay's brother.

Jimmy doesn't have a cheat, a cheat, a cheat.

He doesn't have a cheat.

He's with this woman and he loves her.

What's wrong?

No, he doesn't have a chant like he eats.

Big Jimmy.

What are these words?

Big Jim.

You could have done that.

Well, Big Bad John.

At least it's more phonetic.

But here's the thing.

They've gotten

their former top heel girl over as an even more popular babyface and cannot do anything with her for nine months and

some change, as I believe she put it.

I mean, she'd like just, she had just become my favorite person on this show.

I know.

I was like, yes,

I even softened up on this whole thing.

But one would think that in the today's modern science, one could control these actions.

What do you think of them doing the announcement on Stephanie's show?

Just so they could show it on WWE TV from Stephanie's show.

I understand that they're they're trying to get Stephanie's show over.

And it doesn't sound from the brief clip of her speaking, she's giving them too much help.

But

with her, Naomi being this kind of a promo,

I don't know why they would, in this instance, they wouldn't have her come out and reveal that news herself instead of the

awkward pitch to the tape on the screen that got stepped on.

you know she could have really worked him up because she

she could obviously talk as well this is the you know right

yeah

well yeah when she walked out with mercedes monet everyone kind of thought of fair or not you know sasha banks is the big star Yeah, she was the flunky.

What are you doing?

She's the partner and she's being a loyal tag team partner, which is nice to see.

Which she got in no way, shape, or form the fucking loyalty remunerated, apparently.

It turns out she's so much of a better promo than Sasha Banks ever was.

It's incredible.

Yes, and she's a better worker as a heel.

I mean, Mercedes has been a complete flop.

And look at, she's elevated herself to this position.

You know, when Becky announced her pregnancy,

she surprised Asuka in an empty arena during a pandemic, I believe.

And then Asuka hugged her, and then Asuka awkwardly like started chanting Becky from different places in the building.

This was the way to do it.

I mean, the promo she cut here.

I can't wait till she comes.

If she comes back with a baby in her hand.

Oh, they'd have to have a stunt baby, wouldn't they?

Would they let the real baby come out for insurance purposes no they'd have to have a midget and a diaper because for insurance purposes

really

you see you'll see the fan camera of the the guy in the back smoking a cigar when he's two and a half feet tall el hejo del burt ruby's midgets yes and bring back my midgets

Somebody said they were going to do a give me back my midgets to give me back my bullets by Leonard Skynyrd if they have time.

I can't remember who it was.

I just saw that comment.

That's a spoiler.

That's an unfortunate spoiler.

Oh, speaking of spoilers, the rest of the program.

So, what I did from there was I fast-forwarded on to the main event with Braun Breaker, the wrestler of the future,

the king of the world maw against Jey Uso in the Extreme Rules match.

And boy,

I love to watch Braun, and he's actually able to like have matches.

So they still got to gimmick him up, too.

And they're going to,

I know he looks indestructible, but with the stuff he does sooner or later,

they're going to fuck up and get him hurt with all his furniture around.

They started the match.

Just Jay's punches are just killing me.

But he clotheslined Braun onto over the top rope onto a shopping cart full of shit because that's what they used to do in ECW

I remind the people that was 25 years ago now

with a shopping cart full of shit that they're going to use in a match

and he sold his leg and he was selling his leg but he took a convincing bump

and again you know how do you

Hey, come on, kid.

This week in wrestling school, we're going to cover taking bumps over the top rope onto a shopping cart full of garbage.

And then Jay had pulled a Slim Jim table out about a minute into the match, did a dive, and they went to the break.

When they came back from the break, there were about 15 chairs in the ring laying there, a garbage can, a couple of kendo sticks, and Braun was hitting Jay with the lid of the garbage can.

And then he was trying to shoot him corner to corner or into the buckle or something, but there was no room in the ring to bump or work or get your footing because all the chairs were laying there.

So I said, Well, fuck, it's 15 minutes left in this show.

I'm not going to sit and watch them wade through this goddamn mess for another 10 minutes till somebody runs in.

So I fast-forwarded to five minutes left in the show

and was about to start that when the phone rang.

And Brian, you'll never guess who it was.

Guess who it was?

Monday night, that way, it was Stacey.

No, it was you.

Oh, because it was Tuesday morning, the way God intended people to watch Raw.

Good morning.

And so we talked on the phone and I had it on pause.

And I went back

to look at the last five minutes.

And I hit the button to take it off of pause.

And it was starting the Raw show

for August the 4th.

And no matter what I tried to do on the remote control or with the Netflix, it would not give me the option of watching any episode of Raw.

Now, I could watch other shit

if I'd have wanted to go and watch other shit,

but I couldn't go back to the episode of Raw that I was just watching, or even last week's, I had to watch August 4th.

So, I don't know what the fuck happened.

Who ran in?

You can't remember, can you?

According to a report from the wrestling news in the middle of it,

Jey Uso pinned Braunbreaker in an Extreme Rules match, which featured interference from Seth Rollins, Braunbreaker, Bronson Reed, LA Knights, CM Punk, Jesus Christ, and Roman Reigns.

Oh, good lord.

Who speared Bronson Reed, getting him back for multiple shoe thefts.

And

that's the way it was.

That's what I'm saying.

I get it.

How hard do you have to fucking work to watch the shows?

I didn't ask for the God.

I just paused it.

I've paused it numerous of times.

But on this particular occasion, it's a no, we're going to go back a couple of weeks and start over.

Because when I hit the thing,

gun pause it,

it started the show over again.

And I thought, oh, I'm going to have to fucking go all the way through this thing again.

And then it said, no, this is Raw from August 4th.

And so on and so on, and so on.

You didn't mention the Mr.

Iguana match.

Were you able to watch that?

I was not informed that Mr.

Iguana was on the program until after I'd already

had these issues and skipped watching it.

So,

yeah, no.

And, you know, and for people asking, oh, you're going to watch Triple Mania

where they have the eight-foot guy fucking throwing Microman out of the ring.

Omos, he's back.

Omas, whatever his name is.

Well, and so is Microman, who is two feet tall and two feet wide.

And

no,

Triple-A triple-a was the show biz version of wrestling in Mexico before the WWE got a hold of them.

Now, apparently, they have gone full-fledged into this ought to be presented as a

fucking

damn musical at the Tropicana.

No,

I don't want to see Mr.

Iguana.

I don't want to see Triple-A.

This stuff has gotten silly enough on the main channels I can't figure out how to watch.

Well, in brief, because I haven't followed it too closely, apparently, El Hijo del Vikingo is now getting booed by their fans because even though he's the world champion, they don't think he deserves it because Alberto Del Rio is the person they see as the champion, and he's not being booked anymore, apparently.

Wonder why?

At the moment, yeah, I don't know.

Stay tuned to Dark Side of the Ring season seven to find out the answers to all these questions and more.

But, Jim, that was raw.

It certainly was.

It was painful.

And

I don't know how to do a transition here.

It's not like WWE has a lot of problems selling their stuff, but a lot of the listeners out there, you may have a small business, you may not know what the hell to do to get online, to get your products out there to the world, to the masses, and have help all along the way in a virtual, digital, fantastical way.

Well, now we're friends at Shopify.

It's magical, logical, and lyrical.

Well, I'll tell you what right now, if you want to get your products out there in front of people's faces, you just go to Shopify and they will do the rest for you because

they will go down the street and just take whatever you make or sell or want to pawn off and they will shake it in people's faces until they buy it just to get them to go away.

That's not how they are.

That's how persistent they are.

They are persistent in a fantastical digital sense where you don't have to worry about any of these kinds of problems in the real world.

Your virtual friend is there.

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They power our online store and so much more than that.

Shopify.

Well,

they power all the bells and whistles, Brian.

You know about them bells.

I couldn't hear it.

I hear it in the background.

Ain't coming across.

There it is.

You know about,

you know about those things there, Brian, that make those bells and whistles.

They're going to give you all the bells and whistles.

If you can't design a website, well, fuck you.

They'll just do it for you.

They do this shit all the time.

They do this stuff all the time.

For whatever you need, they are there to help you.

Yeah, they'll elbow you out of the way and just take over and they'll get it done right because you're obviously that's not what they do.

No, they won't.

They will be there to help.

They are a compliment to your service.

Well, they'll tell you how nice your hair looks while they're showing you what you ought to know how to do.

Jim, hey, look, look at the little birdie.

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And let's get to some topics and questions.

I always have a movement whenever I hear that sound.

A lot of listeners have been sending over a variation of a question about this.

Apparently,

a Twitter account,

JM Playground,

tweeted at an image that says Chris Jericho's AEW deal ends December 2025.

He's open to a WWE return,

depending on the situation.

And this tweet was liked by Chris Jericho.

To be specific, Chris Jericho Fozzie

on Twitter

or Instagram, whatever this is.

But

this has, of course, started the conversation.

There have been rumors that Tony Connor and Chris Jericho are not as close as they once were.

That maybe Chris Jericho's return to AEW wouldn't work.

That maybe

Chris Jericho is a shrewd negotiator.

And even if you're not negotiating with someone, it's nice to put it out there sometimes.

There's been a lot of people saying a lot of different things.

He's open.

He's open to it.

What do you think of this, of Chris Jericho liking this tweet or Instagram post, whatever it was?

And also, secondly, in terms of the value of Chris Jericho, and all kidding aside, and

forgetting all the bad booking over the last long while.

Who gets more value out of Chris Jericho right now?

AEW,

where he finally exhausted their fan base not too long ago.

So it would have to be a completely different way of doing things.

Or WWE,

who loves signing up everyone they can who Tony Khan ever pushed?

Well, lots of things there.

And first of all,

it was a few years ago that they were talking about Jericho signing a big 10-year deal with Tony.

And because I remember we made fun of it.

I said, he'll be 62 or whatever the fuck it was, right?

So this was apparently some type of hogwash or

someone thought better of things before it went too far, whatever.

But you remember that.

And it wasn't like it was a rumor that people were denying.

I can't remember who

came out with it, but there was the actual participants, I believe, were talking about it.

Were they not?

Am I, did I imagine this in some type of?

I don't know how much of this was a public conversation.

I don't know.

But nevertheless,

if Chris Jericho came back to AEW right now, what difference could it possibly make?

It would make none.

As you said, they've seen him, they've overseen him.

There's nothing, he's done so many new things that now it's just ridiculous that he's just the king of trademarks.

And he's just changes for the sake of changing shit.

And he's changed so much shit.

And

as we've said with the booking and/or the fact that

however old he is right now

and et cetera,

he's not going to mean anything.

And if he and Tony aren't just buds, still,

that's, I assume, has he and Fozzie been on a worldwide tour of the Netherlands Antilles, or they're just keeping him off TV because his contract's about to be up and Tony doesn't want to face it like he does usually.

Maybe a mix of two, an endless tour of fantasyland.

And at the same time, Tony has new younger friends.

But that's the, you know, well, still, Chris could get a boob job, try to win him back.

But

no, so there's, there's really

Tony has been paying him all this money and will continue to pay him money to the end of the year.

Why would he pay him any more money when it he ain't going to mean any difference?

But

over here on this other side of the street,

you have this company that prints more money than the goddamn governments of many countries.

Who they then work with?

Yes, who they then get more of their money from.

And he's new again to a vast percentage of the audience that they have that doesn't watch AEW and doesn't even know he's been wrestling.

And you don't have him come out there and be a fucking weekly TV character.

He

shocks everybody in the rumble.

Oh, look at Jericho, but that doesn't win it,

but leads to something at WrestleMania.

A couple more major matches through the next year goes into the fucking Hall of Fame and sells book who's of merchandise along the way and afterwards.

And there's millions of dollars for him to

do four or five matches and

TV promotion for saying

what the and

why wouldn't they do that and it would work

and you don't seem too much so it

it doesn't work

and it's literally worth millions of dollars to them in just a few shows not to stick it to tony khan but because it's worth millions of dollars in just a few shows at their level at this scale now it's insane

So of course he's going to do that, one would think, unless Tony wants to give him millions of dollars to stay home, because wouldn't you rather end your career

doing something like that with the biggest stars in the business instead of showing up and playing with the fucking buckaroos on Wednesday nights?

What do you think of the idea that he liked this?

I think because he liked it.

That's why I'm saying, of course, he's going to do this.

I'm sure he's already got it planned.

If his contract is up the end of this year, he's not on TV at this point.

And with the conditions that prevail that I just mentioned, I'm sure he has already planned this and

possibly sent out thought waves that might be picked up somewhere on the other side of the ether.

Because it's perfect.

And it's literally millions of dollars for very little work,

as opposed to millions of dollars for

aggravation probably every time you show up for work.

But if you're AEW, AEW, is this in a way

one of those things where it's a win,

but it appears to be another hit to AEW?

Because in a lot of ways, AEW, if they wanted Chris Jericho, Tony Khan would open the checkbook and give Chris Jericho what he wants.

You know, if Tony Khan wanted to keep Cody Rhodes, he would have kept Cody Rhodes.

So if Chris Jericho leaves,

it's because Tony

strategically thinks it's okay to lose Chris Jericho.

Is he wrong?

For all the value he'll bring to WWE,

would Tony be right to not give Chris Jericho

a new multi-year, multi-million dollar contract?

See, you're assuming that Cody, too,

that it was the final figure on paper rather than the exchange.

Oh, no, no, I'm not saying that.

I'm saying he had the option.

No, I'm not sure.

There was an option here for Cody.

He had the option to open the checkbook.

If Cody didn't want to stay,

I don't know if more money, we don't know that the money was the issue.

I don't know if he said $20 million.

Well, maybe $20 million, but you know what I'm saying.

The same thing here.

If I'm Chris Jericho, oh, God, I just had a shiver.

But if I am Chris Jericho,

again, I can work for this guy where, yes, he'll pay me.

a lot of money to stay home for long periods of time, but sooner or later I'm going to have to show back up.

I got to work with these numb nutses.

I got to fucking,

you know,

it's going to expose me again because the ratings are going to go nowhere because of me because they go nowhere because of anybody.

He gets a lot of money, doesn't work that many days, gets to work on all the side projects, which may be compromised in some way or another if he goes to WWE.

Oh, no.

Or

then that was, that was Vince.

They're letting people do shit now.

They're, you know,

I, I know one or two things about people that can do any goddamn thing they want to, as long as it's not wrestling or whatever.

But that's the thing is,

he would be coming in as a

name legend,

finish out a few big matches, some television promotion with the highest ratings,

the biggest visibility.

We'll play your goddamn rotten music.

We play everybody else's rotten music.

Why wouldn't we play yours?

Retirement on SN SNL on Saturday night's main event, not a Sunday.

Or

either one.

Yes.

You know, a big retirement, a Hall of Fame deal,

several million dollars for when you do show up for work, which will be in limited numbers.

You're with the biggest program with the widest fucking viewership and the biggest stars and the most history you have.

And just here, do this.

And And they can make money on it by still giving him millions of dollars.

And why the fuck wouldn't you do that?

Or he can get millions of dollars, but he's going to have to go and be in the fucking,

you know, the Bush League or the fucking kids club.

Or, you know, even if he has fun doing that stuff, it's still

a small percentage of the viewership.

So even if Tony wants to give him, I'll give you 10 million.

Well, but they're going to give me seven, but I'd rather do that.

So what's the fucking difference?

I mean, it's.

So what do you think is more likely?

Chris Jericho appearing at AEW all-out or Chris Jericho appearing at the WWE Royal Rumble?

Well, now, when is all, hold on now.

You keep giving these, I don't remember whether they're all in, all out, all poop, whatever.

No, if the contract is,

what are you asking now?

If the contract's up in December, what's more likely?

Him appearing at the next AEW pay-per-view,

all out.

I see.

Or

WWE Royal Rumble in January.

What about both?

I'm not saying.

That wasn't one of my options, but okay.

Well, I'm not saying that he will never appear for AEW again.

It doesn't look like it.

It looks like Tony's just freezing him like he does everybody else, but he might show back up.

He might show back up and put somebody over.

But but if he showed up and did something, that might give also the other side

the reason to believe, well, they're making another play for him, so we got to up our offer.

So maybe he'll

say, Take Tony, I'll come put somebody over for you.

He gets on that TV and the WWE offers him more money.

Who the fuck knows?

But I'm saying he's he's crazy, batshit crazy if he has the option to go to the WWE when his contract is up in December, and he does not choose that option.

Jesus H.

Christ.

He needs to get a new agent.

Well, Jim, on the topic of AEW contracts, a report we have here, someone sent this link from Essie Scoops

by Andrew.

Who is Essie?

I keep hearing about her.

Well, this says Danhausen reportedly requested AEW not pick up his option.

A new report has provided an update on the contract status of AEW's Danhausen, confirming he will remain with the company well into 2026.

The extension was reportedly due to time missed for injury and was, here's a quote here, apparently against his wishes.

According to Fightful Select, Danhausen's original AEW contract was scheduled to expire on July 1st, 2025.

However, due to time that he was on the shelf with a torn pectoral muscle, his contract has been extended and will now run into 2026.

The report adds a significant layer to the story, noting that this extension was apparently against his wishes.

It was believed he requested they didn't pick up his option and was ready to leave the company.

It says here that he has not appeared on AEW television since appearing in a battle royal at the World's End pay-per-view in December 2023.

Jesus Christ.

His last match under the company banner was for Ring of Honor,

February 2024,

and he made a one-off surprise appearance at the most recent Ring of Honor final battle.

But there are no creative plans for him, it says here.

What do you think of this situation?

I mean, we're talking about the Jericho contract.

Let's talk about Danhausen, who we haven't seen

apparently since 2023.

I wonder, is his family calling to get a welfare check done?

Okay, this is an example

of apparently the only people that Tony stands up to and is a boss to and is a hard heart to and pulls all these legal

maneuvers on is the fucking underneath guys that

can't really fight back.

Who was the last one he extended?

And it was like, well, what the fuck?

Just leave the guy go.

What good is it?

But

okay, I can understand

Dan Hausen, from all accounts, is a very wonderful person as a person.

So we're not even talking about just wrestling now as an employee.

If it was like he got badly hurt and his,

you know, he'll never be the same.

He might not be able to wrestle again.

We're going to keep him on contract, even if he wants to go because he, he just feels like he's a burden on us.

No, we're going to, for some

benevolent purpose.

But when you're not using a guy, and when they signed him, they never used him really

that often from the time they signed him.

So

he was hot on the internet.

And Tony loves that kind of thing.

And I'm not knocking the guy, but I'm knocking Tony for, you know, just signing fads and then getting their hopes up or whatever.

But if he wants to go, if he says, I'm here, I'm doing nothing.

Thank you for paying me.

Probably, I would assume it'd be more money than he could make.

most places, but he just wants to fucking do something

or he doesn't want to be there.

One would think that would be the reason.

He doesn't seem to be an ungrateful person.

Why not let him go?

What damage if he showed up on Raw tomorrow?

What damage

could that possibly go?

So I've, you know, I'm not going to,

you know, just ran rave at Tony for keeping guys on contract to be nice to him because they were out for so long and hurt or whatever.

He wants to make sure they're paid.

But if you're not using somebody,

they've never been a main event attraction for you,

and they want to go somewhere else where they can do something,

and then you extend the

isn't that just

being a big bully?

Am I being too soft-hearted on Dan Meister?

Well, it depends on what's behind this.

You know, William Regal got out of his contract by saying he wanted to go home and be close to his son.

Miro went to Bulgaria.

If they wanted to make Danhausen a fucking NASA astronaut right now, what difference would it make?

William Regal was featured in everything.

And yes, he gave him a line of who shot John to get the fuck out of there.

I'm sure you're aware.

I'm not saying it's true because I just don't know, but there is a line of thought people have that Danhausen is somehow punished because he's friends with CM Punk.

Do you think that's a fair thing or not a fair thing?

Well, that would be ridiculous.

Well, if it was true, it would be ridiculous.

And

again,

you know,

if Pug's friends with a lot of people, why take it out on the guy that's not important to your operation in any way?

You just have a legal right to him.

I don't understand that.

If he wants to go, it ought to be as easy as Tony saying, hey, I'm sorry we couldn't do more, but we loved having you.

And

the door is always open when you come back, but right now you're going out.

So don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

See you later.

Have fun with Mr.

Iguana.

We'll see you later.

There, you go.

Whatever.

What different

if you know, it's not like

it's not like goddamn one of his main event guy, MJF suddenly says, I want to be on raw next week.

I'm going to, I need to get the out of here.

Let me go.

Well, not so fast, Mr.

MJF,

but it's danhaus.

But how many people has Tony disappeared off his TV?

Ricky Starks?

You know, Wardol is still under contract.

Ricky Starks left after just being frozen off TV for what, almost a year?

Eight months?

Whatever it was.

It's a weird thing that Tony does.

I've heard it said as simple as if he thinks you're going to go somewhere else, he doesn't want to give you his TV time to sell yourself.

But then you have guys like sitting out for

a few years.

I mean, Dan Hausen hasn't been on TV since December 2023.

We're coming up on two years.

Where's Britt Baker?

Where's Wardlow?

Where's Camille?

And these are just like current cases.

Jungle Boy.

Where the hell is Jungle Boy?

What?

I forgot about him.

Hey, and thank you for reminding me, son of a bitch.

I finally forgot about him.

And here you

mention his name.

But

that's.

I wonder, should somebody do a list to see if Tony is paying more wrestlers to stay stay home than he is to come to work?

Yes.

I would like to see that list.

Yes.

Well, we'd like to see a lot of lists these days.

Which one do you think we'll get first?

That one or the other one?

I think neither, neither nor would be my guess.

But there we go, Jim.

That's that one there.

Dan Hausen's contra.

Good luck, Mr.

Hausen.

Mr.

Hausen, good luck to you.

Became a star here on the show way back when we used to play cameo calls.

That's when we discovered that, oh, there's something behind the whatever the hell this is.

Let's get some questions here, Jim.

He could have been a member of the House of Spinguli now if he hadn't signed with Tony.

This question was sent via email to corny drive-through at gmail.com from Joe.

In a past video, you mentioned how Florida Championship Wrestling used to be aired on Spanish TV channel 47 in the New York, New Jersey area.

I've always been curious as to why.

I can't imagine it was intended to draw fans to the matches, and I don't see who it would benefit other than the fans like me who were starving for something other than the WWF squash matches on WOR.

Well, actually, for some period of time, there was some cooperation, as we've mentioned, between Vince Sr.

and Eddie Graham, where,

you know, some of the Florida guys would go and some of the

rotating crew of heels that would challenge the WWWF champion or WWF, whichever era that was,

might come in from Florida.

Dusty

made shots in Florida at the same time.

Remember, they had the

Harley Race superstar Billy Graham.

double title match.

One of the two or three they had in, what, 78 was in the Orange Bowl in Miami.

And so I think

looking back on it now, tell me what you think, Brian, because you're more, even though this was a little bit before your time,

you're more familiar with the station and the market, et cetera, the way they did things.

Vince Senior didn't mind that show being on that station

because it wasn't any competition to him and indeed may

expose the fans to some of the wrestlers that he might be going to bring in.

And at the same point,

you know,

it was more of an auxiliary kind of promotion without, there was no chance Eddie Graham was going to run against him.

It was a cooperative thing.

And also it may have been a backstop because he had lost his television before.

That's right.

In the New York market in the 60s.

I believe he had it maybe before anyone else had it.

And remember, it wasn't just Florida.

It was also Los Angeles Wrestling, which was Mike LaBelle.

And there was always a good relationship between those two offices.

Yeah, so, well, like we talked about earlier in this program with Jared at one point, Louisville Wrestling having two

different shows per week on two different stations.

If it happened again and Vince Sr.

had lost his primary TV,

then I bet you

at least a couple of dollars that the WWF show would have taken the place of the

Florida or the LA show on the Spanish channel just to have some presence.

So he had kind of an insurance policy.

And

the smaller stations like that, they loved wrestling because it did ratings.

Because they didn't exactly have,

you know, fucking all-in-the-family or whatever.

Jim, our next question sent to CourtneyDrive-through at gmail.com is from Kyle

in Columbus, Ohio.

The term box office appeal, you hear about a lot in wrestling.

Well, I don't know why the way that was phrased got me.

My question for you is if you were going to rank the top three all-time bloodline members with box office appeal,

who would you pick?

The Rock?

Roman Reigns?

Would Yokozuna make the cut?

Interested to hear your take and love the show.

Well, now he's

not the bloodline that was the bloodline on television recently, but just everybody in the Samoan family is what he's saying when he says the bloodline.

I believe so.

That's the way I took it.

Oh, Jesus Christ, off top of my head, I should have the goddamn family tree chart in front of me.

As far as box office appeal, here's Roman Reigns is part of it.

You're going all the way back to the Samoans at different points.

And the Rock obviously had box office appeal.

Even though he, you know, technically he's not a member of the family, technically.

He skirted in on the family by marriage and etc.

If we're talking about the Anaway family, the actual members, so the Rocks and Peter Maivia not involved in this.

Well, I was about to say, Peter Maivia had tremendous box office appeal in the days of the territories and was over like God in San Francisco, but but

he's you know he's part of the blood brother part of the family blood blood brother part of the family

so but we're not counting him

no or we are or what are we saying here we're we're not counting that we're talking about the anawai family from alpha and sika on down yes well in that case god damn when you

Then you got to come down to Roman Reigns, don't you?

When you take Maya V out of the equation, take the rock out of the equation.

Yokozuna had box office appeal, but it wasn't like he was

an enduring superstar personality.

You can say that about The Rock, you can say it about Roman Reigns, you can say it about My V on a territory basis.

The

Samoan, the Wild Samoans, Alpha and Sika, were a top tag team for quite some time and worked on top in various places, but

enduring box office appeal just on their own names.

I don't think they were Raqqa and Perez.

So, yeah, I think Roman,

Roman Reigns would be the.

He'd be number one.

Who's number two?

He'd be obviously number one.

I think at number two, you got to have Jay for box office appeal.

We're not talking about work.

And I mean, this is a

madness, the yeeting that has crept over people, the yeeting and the waving and the dancing and the gesticulating and the spitting about.

And then I'm trying, you know, about the Tonga Kid.

The Tonga Kid for a brief period of time, he was as hot as anyone.

Well, yeah, but you know, for a brief period, Yokozuna then would place above him in terms of box office appeal because Tonga Kid was hot for six months, but Yoko was the champion

and in the main events and doing well for longer than that.

I mean, that's still.

What about Rikishi?

They liked Rikishi, but Rikishi was never the WWE champion.

I mean, I guess we're in descending order now, but I mean, a lot of guys,

there were very few popcorn farts in the family.

So a lot of the guys would qualify for, you know, the next level spots.

But after, I think Roman and Jay have peaked it

in terms of box office appeal.

There were still better workers.

Well, we'll see what Naomi and Big Jim have to say about that.

But Jim, our next question sent via email to corney drivethru at gmail.com from Charlie in Starkville, Mississippi.

He's back.

And thank you, Charlie, by the way, for the birthday gifts that arrived at Castle Cornette for both Stacy and myself.

Well, Stacey

is

August 29th, and mine is September 17th.

So he saved a postage and mailed both together.

Ladies and gentlemen, I did not know this transaction took place.

There was nothing nefarious behind me picking this question or this email here today.

I just want to make sure I save that on the record.

I had it just happened to come up with Payola.

This payola crap.

This is not pay for questioning or pay for answering.

I'm not, I'm nobody's PayPal.

Well, let's go to Charlie's question.

Mercedes Monet

recently said, if you don't have the passion for the business, get the F out.

Monet said, if you don't love it, if you don't want to try and grow, get the fuck out.

What are your thoughts on Monet's take and her passion for the business?

Well, you know, I don't think I've ever said of all the things I've ever said that she

didn't just love what she was doing.

I don't believe I ever made that accusation.

She loves what she's doing and she's convinced she's really good at it.

And she is again

apparently convinced of her own star power to the point where she can tell us, babe, you don't want to get better.

Get the fuck out of here.

Be as great as I am.

She's a rotten actress.

She's physically unimpressive.

She's bleh to me in the ring because she misses as much as she hits or she's trying to hold her wig on top.

And,

you know,

but she loves what she's doing.

We can't deny that.

She's just not really very good at any of the parts of it.

And did I mention those rotten promos?

But she's got dedication.

I just don't know if I was her, I'd feel the need to verbally

chastise anybody else to work harder when,

well, I guess she's working hard.

I mean, you, you know, take a, you can take a goat and give them a hammer and tell them to build a house.

They'll bust their ass, but I don't know what it'll end up looking like.

I don't know what kind of example that is, but.

Well, that's an old analogy they used to draw down in the old days.

Where?

Well, people around

my old places of living.

Your old places of living, of course.

In a way, Mercedes-Monet is kind of like the best example.

If you want to be a wrestling star, but also just do your own thing and,

you know, publish your own magazine, just everything you want to do on your own, Tony will pay you and you can do that.

I mean, do you think she'd be making more money in WWE than she's making for Tony?

And at the same time, she gets to work whatever show she wants.

She gets to publish her own magazine.

She gets to do everything she wants to do.

Yeah, no, I think she's more than better off where she is right now than going back to WWE, where she's got him wrapped around her teeny tiny little finger.

And he's paying her, from what we understand, quite a pretty penny to do what she does.

And she can still do anything else she wants.

It's not like her career is, unfortunately, like her career is at the end, like with Jericho, because he's 100 years old.

So she can afford to milk this billionaire for quite some time to come and then

go back for the Royal Royal Rumble and the big matches on pay-per-view and the Hall of Fame and the merchandise, et cetera, and do the same thing.

She's got plenty of time.

Well, Jim, even with plenty of time,

I'm sure you're very well aware that you need plenty of sleep.

You need good sleep.

You need healthy sleep.

Oh, there's never enough time for sleep.

Well, you need your sleep, especially if you are a globe trotting professional wrestling superstar, if we're legally allowed to call anyone outside of WWE a superstar.

And Jim, we know someone who can help everyone get a good night's sleep.

Well, I'll tell you, you know, you saw on the, on the docudrama there that they played on the Netflix about the unrealism of the thing.

That they're just, they're going from one place to another.

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Of course, that means it's time for questions and answers.

More questions and answers here

on the drop-down.

I thought it meant, shall we gather at the river?

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Well, Jim, let's go to our next question.

This was sent to corny drivethruergmail.com from Chad.

Oh, Chad, now Chad has a question.

Well, let's drop everything and talk to Chad.

Hope you are doing well.

Pressing needs.

Hope you are doing well.

My question is.

Why do some of the wrestlers today remind me of someone trying to remember steps to a dance?

I could see it in their eyes.

Them counting in their head.

It drives me crazy.

And I'm not talking about NXT.

I see main roster wrestlers doing it.

Is it because they don't call it in the ring anymore?

And that's the question from Chad.

Yes.

Well, a short version is yes.

And I mean, there's other factors.

They've obviously, as we can see by Unreal and the footage of the producers, they have not only worked this match out step for step and told it to the producer so that he can tell it to the truck, but also to fit the time that they're being allotted.

And

they're trying to go through this

pre-agreed upon routine without missing anything and without fucking anybody up and caving anybody's face in in a limited amount of time.

And that, unfortunately, all leads to, especially the younger guys, the greener guys, or the guys that are just not that sure of themselves.

That's why we talk about no facials.

They're just going through it.

It's boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

And

at the top level, it used to be at all levels, but now at the top level, the basis of live performing of a pro wrestling match is the

emotions and feelings that you show and convey to the people in the arena that are watching through your body language and your facial expression and the way you do things.

When it's your body language is different if you're

if you're scared or if you're mad or if you're,

you know,

any emotion, as well as your face, if you're surprised, ah, if you swing the clothesline and the guy ducks it and your face never changes and your body language never changes, your pace doesn't quicken to spin around and see where he went.

You just go through the motion and turn around to catch him when he cross bodies you.

That is how you tell the people like,

who's he?

What's he here?

Who answered the, who asked the question?

It was your friend and mine, Chad.

Chad, I forgot Chad.

Oh, Chad.

Well, he wasn't so bad after all.

That's what leads people like Chad to ask the question because they can see it, that they know what's going to happen when they turn around,

that they're not surprised when they try to backdrop and get sunset flipped, whatever.

That's why it's more important and why we always try to teach

the reaction you have in between the moves

is more important than the moves.

If somebody gives you a big power slam and you pop right up and don't acknowledge it, you had a shitty reaction in between the moves.

If, you know, so whether it's your face or your body language or whether you're conveying pain or

fatigue or frustration,

that's the important shit in between the goddamn power slams.

Yes.

Yes.

And that is the answer to Chad's question.

Our next question, Jim, sent to corny drive-through at gmail.com from DJ Bo

in Shanghai, China.

Okay, I don't believe any of that.

Which part of it?

Just any of it.

DJ Bo?

You don't believe he's a DJ Bo?

I don't believe the name, and I don't believe he's in Shanghai.

Has he been Shanghai?

He's in Shanghai, China, Jim.

While there's many questions about what Vince McMahon's next move is,

it's a shame he isn't utilizing his important pro wrestling history knowledge to fill in details from his unique vantage point on the sport.

He ain't going to be around forever,

especially if he's zooming his car down highways and byways.

If Jim could ask Vince McMahon any three questions from the perspective of a pro wrestling historian,

what would they be?

So no scandals or anything, really just talking about what would you ask him if you had three questions?

Well, I've never thought about this a day in my life.

And

I was around him and asked the majority of the questions that I wanted to ask that I thought he would answer that wouldn't get him mad at me.

I don't know whether I ever plainly asked him, but the feeling came through, what the hell are you thinking?

Bringing the Ultimate Warrior back in 1996.

But here's the thing, if you don't talk about

much less talking about the scandals, and I would ask, what the hell were you thinking?

But just you would have to ask Vince about

business, meetings, deals,

controversies,

something related to his business that he was involved in.

And then you would get the Vince answer.

So in some cases, why bother to ask the question?

But as far as wrestling history, besides the

deals he was in, what was it like when,

you know, your dad and Bob Aram and you and everybody was involved in the Ali Anoki promotion and et cetera?

It would still all be about business.

There is no,

there's nothing about wrestling history, just

the sport of wrestling itself.

that Vince would probably have been able to answer well or even give a shit about unless he was personally involved.

And then it was always business.

He wouldn't remember the finish of a fucking match.

Except, yeah,

Koloff beat Bruno in the garden.

He'd get that one.

Not only that, but if he wasn't involved in the business or in a business dealing with a territory like he may have been talking to,

you know, fucking,

I guess Ann Gunkel would have been before him.

He probably would have been talking to Ann Gunkel.

He didn't know what went on in any of the other territories past how it might affect his business or his ability to get their talent.

He didn't know any of the gossip.

He didn't know any of the landmark

happenings.

He didn't give a shit.

He didn't read any books or any

even fan publications like when Scott Teal before he was doing professional stuff or

any of the, you

historical

research that fans did back in those days.

And I'm sure he hasn't read any of the modern day books.

So

you could probably tell Vince McMahon more about details on wrestling history past anything that he was personally involved in or anything that his dad would have ever told him about dealings that he had with other guys.

He recognized all the old-timers' names.

If I mentioned Willie Gilsenberg on commentary or did a column in the magazine under the pen name Joseph T.

Mont,

you know, then he would get a snicker out of it, but he didn't give a shit about history.

So I know I haven't answered the question, but does that answer the question?

If you could ask him any three questions and give him a truth serum where you knew he would tell you the truth,

what would you ask him?

Not a Vince answer, but a real true answer.

I'll tell you one, two, and three.

I would want to know

what steps he took and who he said what to in between the time that I pitched the idea, just double cross some bitch, get his belt, get your belt back

and Montreal to determine exactly how he took that and

convoluted it into him becoming Mr.

McMahon, the well, he didn't even have it.

He thought he was going to be the babyface at first, but how he interjected himself into it and had to be the one to call for the bell and all that shit, his thought process, and who really

knew what,

from when, for who, how.

All right.

How about that?

So all your questions would be about Montreal.

Yes, first, second, third.

Just what the fuck?

Some people just can't let it go.

Well, I'd, well, I'd like to know how the fuck he got what I said out into what happened.

All right, Jim.

Our next question sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Jennifer Craig.

What is the purpose or meaning of wrestlers wiping their feet before climbing through the ropes to get into the ring?

Oh, that's okay.

Well, good.

Keep it short.

Respect for the mat.

Respect for your wrestling surface.

It goes back to the

carnival days in some respects when guys would have to walk through sawdust or maybe cow shit

or whatever just to get into the ring.

And when you get up on it, you wipe your feet off on the apron because you got to get in and wrestle around in the, you know, the middle part of it.

And that

is better for you when you don't have cow shit on it.

And then it's taught in most,

well, I don't know what's taught in most wrestling schools, but it used to be taught

when guys broke in and or then in wrestling schools, when that became a thing, just

show a little respect for the mat and the surface and your fellow opponents.

And it becomes a habit for a lot of guys.

Yeah, what about heels doing it?

In my mind, I'm picturing Dr.

Tom Pritchard for whatever reason doing it.

Well, but see, that's the thing is it's not for the people.

And I mean, some guys that would do a big thing at Flair with the big robe and he'd wipe his feet and he'd have the referee hold the ropes open and he'd take the robe and,

you know, they might incorporate it, but other guys just get up and just do it and get in.

It's not really for the fans.

It's for

the business and your opponents.

The thugs used to do it like in tune to the song.

I don't think it was intentional either.

But tough enough.

Well, it was a catchy song.

Yeah, tough enough.

Went with like the wiping of the boots.

But, Jim, let's get another question here.

This was sent via the Culticornet Facebook group by Timothy Proctor.

I remember his father, Dr.

Proctor.

He had the patent on the red rectum rockers, the constipation pills.

All right, I don't know about that, Jim, but here's the question from Timothy Proctor.

Looking Looking back, what does Jim think was the most underrated feud or storyline in Smoky Mountain Wrestling that fans today don't talk enough about?

Oh, gosh.

You know, I don't know which things the fans are not talking enough about these days.

I mean,

the big programs were

that it seemed like it did pretty much the most money for us around at the big shows, not just the big main event blow-off shows, but the Knoxville and Johnson Cities,

as well as the spot shows, was the Heavenly Bodies and the Rock and Roll Express, Tracy Smothers and the Dirty White Boy.

And then to be honest, The Rock and Roll and Lee and Candido, that might be

one of the underestimated ones because they did.

They did good, especially on spot shows, of course, the rock and roll.

Me and Bob Armstrong, a lot of people talk about but

at the same time a lot of people don't remember we had

dory and terry funk work the program with the armstrong boys scott and steve

and those were some cool tag matches that were different featured different guys

uh there was chris candido and bobby blaze

um

you you you're fairly knowledgeable on what we did what

things that we're not

Well, no, I mean, on what we,

you know, the television and what programs we did.

What am I underestimating or what am I overlooking that people should have been?

Because I feel like people finally really rate everything leading into the first bluegrass brawl pretty high in terms of the three tag team stuff.

The Brian Lee, Kevin Sullivan feud was one of the things that really got me because that was the first stuff I saw.

And it was so cool to me.

It's the only time I ever enjoyed the Night Stalker.

Well, and see, again, that, you know, that was a good one, but I don't know if it's underrated because that got a lot more conversation from the

smart fans at the time who were trading tapes and talking about things were talking more about that than they were about the rock and rolling the bodies that was drawing the money.

So it's not necessarily underrated.

And Kevin was a big help with Kevin worked with the Mongolian stomper.

He did the thing with Brian Lee.

That may be underrated too.

The thing with him and the stomper.

Yeah.

And him and Bubba, the big boss man, even though they just had a couple of matches that weekend.

But yeah, Kevin and the stomper, because Kevin knew how to work with stomper.

Keep it crazy.

And Stomper had great cardio, but,

you know, Archie, at that point, he was almost 60.

So.

go

balls to the wall for like seven or eight minutes and fucking tear the place up and get the fuck out of there before

Archie gets tired.

I remember Scott Cornish telling me, because I didn't go to the first fan week in 93.

I started after that.

And I think I'm pretty sure it was the very first event, and it may have been Morristown,

but there was the Mongolian stomper against Kevin Sullivan.

And before brawls around the building were a common thing, These two guys brawled all around the building, in and out.

Yeah.

And he said it was like nothing he had ever seen before.

Well, and see, that's the thing is, because that's what you did with the stomper, but nobody else did that.

I mean, we had an angle one time where the heavenly bodies and the gangsters fought out the back of the building in Knoxville and across the street, and we shot it, right?

But that's an angle.

And we had a gang fight match with the Bruce Brothers, the bodies, where they fought all over the building in Knoxville one time.

But that was, you know, one,

the stipulation that we did let that year, right?

So,

but with Archie, he's supposed to be crazy.

And the bigger that you can build that, that 10 minutes of chaos up, it was like the chic without, you know,

snakes and too much blood.

And that's the thing.

Archie couldn't get juice anymore, the stomper, because.

He worked for the sheriff's department.

He transported prisoners.

Some of them, they had AIDS.

He didn't want any open wounds, right?

Okay, we don't have to.

It's still you're it's you play the Halloween music, and everybody goes crazy,

and it's wild, and it's in and out.

And I remember that night they went out the back door and they came around, they fought back in the front door.

And the people go nuts that in eight to ten minutes they've been out there, they've done it.

You don't beat the stomper

because why would you beat a legend?

And

they were all happy,

but again, underrated feuds or storylines.

Oh, you know what?

Underrated.

Go ahead.

Underrated because it was immediately overshadowed.

And I think it's still underrated to this day, probably.

Tracy Smothers and Chris Candido ladder match.

Oh, yes.

Okay.

Well, because that ladder match is, because they had him in all the towns, including I just seen Sean and Razor in Los Angeles at a WWF House show.

And they did the spot.

And I told the guys about it.

Sean went too far up when they shot him into the ladder that was leaning in the corner.

He went up too far and overbalanced and went straight over the top rope and almost killed himself.

And I'll be damned if Tracy didn't do the same thing in Beckley, West Virginia.

Only took even worse of a bump because we didn't have pads.

And the ladder went over with him and landed.

It was goddamn brutal.

But those, anything Tracy and Candido Candido did, those were excellent matches also.

I can't believe I didn't bring that up at the start.

And also,

again, it wasn't underrated, but Buddy Landell's babyface turn.

And stemming out of the match he had for the Intercontinental title with Shawn Michaels in Knoxville.

And they had a great match and the finish worked perfect.

And,

you know, that began his babyface turn against me and the rest of my reprobates.

But that was a nice little piece of business.

I loved the build to the Rock and Roll Express and Tracy and Tony, Dirty White Boy.

And it resulted eventually in a great match, just not with the Rock and Roll Express.

Yes, one of the better matches in Smoky Mountain history with the substitute, Heavenly Bodies.

We did all that whole build for like six weeks and never had the goddamn match between Tracy and Tony in the rock and roll because that's when

things happened outside the ring with Ricky and Tracy and their significant others.

And I remember being down there for

that was the Super Bowl, Super Bowl Wrestling, and they actually had TV commercials, local TV commercials with Ricky and Andrea Morton advertising some outlaw show against you.

I don't even know if it was Terry Lando.

It was someone against you.

It may have been.

I think I'm sure it was.

And boy, well, maybe they got the people that couldn't get into the Coliseum that night.

But nevertheless, I see, I'm still pricklish 30 years later.

It was cool, though.

I'll say this as a fan who was like a heel fan, and also because I already knew you, you know, you kind of root for the people you know, but you know, I'm a heel fan.

I didn't know the heavenly bodies were there.

So when you hit the ring and then you hit the music, it was a real cool moment.

And then the match was just an amazing match with that pile driver through the table, the greatest one ever.

Yeah, good times, good times.

Yeah.

And that's the popcorn was great.

The soda was great.

Everything.

Well, see,

here's the table spot.

I think I've told you this before, but because we're having a crazy match and it's the blood and everything because we're trying to start a new program.

The bodies had just become available because they're running.

New York had come to an end.

So they're coming back.

And I wanted to keep Tony and Tracy babyface because the program with the Rock Rock and Roll Express wasn't going to happen.

So they're having the crazy match.

And we're going to break a table.

It's the big show of the year.

So we're going to break a fucking table in one match.

And Tracy backdropped Tom on out on the floor.

He backdropped him onto the table, but it didn't break because

he hit it at a

slant rather than straight on.

So

I buzzed by, I said, break it some kind of way.

And as Tracy got up and grabbed Tom, Tom's pile driver, whatever, and Tracy gave him that pile driver.

And it's not one of the Formica tables like they sell at Home Depot.

The Knoxville Civic Coliseum in like 1964 had bought 7,000 of these tables that they still had.

I mean, I was there in the 70s.

And this is the 90s.

It's the same fucking tables.

And they were particle board.

And when Tracy gives Tom the pile driver, Tracy's ass went just in a hole through the table without breaking the frame.

And Tom went in on top of him and they were stuck folded up like a pocket knife.

Tracy ass first and Tom head first in this fucking table.

And you couldn't do that on purpose.

Somebody ought to go bow all the rest of those tables from the Knoxville Civic Coliseum.

You know, I just saw, I think you retweeted it, Tommy Noe

put up the show notes because he was the ring announcer that night in Knoxville.

And I had never seen them before.

And it reaffirmed just a thought and a feeling I had.

You know, that Judge Otto Dealer promo,

like when I would think back to it, I couldn't remember when it was.

I kind of thought it was like in the middle of the show and it went for 20 minutes.

Turns out it was right before the main event.

Maybe that's why it felt so long because we were ready for the main event.

And there's this guy.

And we thought at first, because we didn't know, we don't know who like the Knoxville local TV celebrities are.

I think a lot of us smart fans thought, oh, there's a new heel manager.

Okay, this is a little gimmick-y for the area, but let's see where this goes.

And then it went nowhere.

What did they try to tell you to come down to the car lot and buy some code?

Where it went was we got our monthly check from fucking Classy Motors is where it went because Judge Otto Dealer got to tell him, but did you read the format real close?

Because

yeah judge otto dealer was covering the tape change before the main event so we made sure we didn't run out did he know that

well i didn't bother sharing it with him no but it wasn't like go long go long we need the extra time go long was that no i knew he was whatever he went it was going to be too long so i just said do you do the thing you're supposed to do

It was like a fever dream for a while because he never appeared again on like TV unless you got the commercials with the show.

It's like, who was Judge Otto Dealer and why did he disappear?

I've got to go back and check the paperwork, but I think they may have paid for the pizza for the pre-show pizza party for the Golden Circle tickets, also.

The judge gives the right verdict, I'll say.

But thank you for the question.

This next one was sent via Facebook, the Cult of Cornet Facebook group, sent by Adam Roscoe.

What is the first thing Jim bought with his first big paycheck, excluding houses and cars?

Excluding houses and cars.

I never purchased a house until I moved to Tennessee to run Smoky Mountain Wrestling, and I got a three-bedroom house out in the woods for $69,000.

And

I never bought a car with a big paycheck in wrestling because I already had a car that worked.

And as long as it worked, fuck, we're driving them

till the wheels fall off.

So why have a new car?

I've I've talked about my cars before.

I think, did I total up the other day?

I've only owned nine vehicles over the past almost 40 years, and one of them only had for two months before he got totaled in that wreck.

They all end up with two, 300,000 miles.

What did I didn't?

My first big check, what is big?

In

Memphis,

big one be mid-south?

Would it even be

that's what I'm saying?

In Memphis, I made four or five hundred bucks a week, but a couple weeks I made seven something.

I'm like, oh shit, you know, but

it didn't change anything.

My

in Memphis, yes, the or in mid-south, rather, the checks went all the way up to 4,500 bucks a week, I think, was our best,

and that's 40 years ago.

But

the

louisiana the rent was cheap on apartments i had the same car all year

i would buy new clothes but that was because i needed them when the suits got destroyed

watts had the talk with us one time about comparing the price of krueger and versus cocaine and i bought three thousand dollars worth of krueger and

what

I told you that, haven't I?

I don't know that story.

Was the option, you know, you could either buy this or that?

How did this go down?

Was what?

No, all the guys were buying cocaine because they were making thousands of dollars a week and they were all in their 20s, right?

So he had the meeting and he held up a package of sweetened low.

And he said, you can spend all your money on stuff like this and what do you have?

Or

he held up the Krueger ends.

He said, I buy a financial advisor, can get you gold or whatever the fuck.

fuck, but he wasn't trying to make any money on it.

He was just saying, invest your money.

Here are these Krueger ends.

I went out and bought $3,000 worth of Kruegerands.

Wait, did you buy it from Bill Watts?

No, I went to wherever the place was in Alexandria that sold gold and bought Krueger and I had them for four or five years.

And then I said, well, I wonder if them Krueger ends are worth anything.

And I think they were worth about the same thing as when I bought them.

So I sold them.

But I had more money than the guys that bought $3,000 worth of cocaine.

But no, I didn't.

There wasn't anything I needed

to spend that money on

because I had, you know.

What was your first big electronics per what about your first big electronics purchase after you started making money in the wrestling business as a manager?

Well, no, my bigger electronics purchases were probably before I got in the business because then I was, I had no road expenses, no rent, no, you know, I wouldn't pay any taxes.

I just making all that photo money.

That's why I had turntables and cassette decks and fucking VCRs up the wazoo.

I mean, the most expensive VCR I ever bought was that

badass.

Well, no, I was going to say that badass beta machine we talked about a couple of weeks ago that I still have the Sony HLF 1000, but

there was a VH, a super VHS machine with a built-in character generator and editing capability that came out.

I think it was, I can't remember the model number, but I paid $1,500 for it.

But that's how I'm working for Crockett

and I'm making, you know, $150,000 a year.

So I'll spend $1,000 on a video machine.

Again, I never bought an expensive car.

I never bought an expensive house.

I never bought expensive clothes except if I was going to write them off as a business expense because television.

So I didn't really make any big purchases just because I particularly started to.

I just always got what I wanted to get at the time.

Now,

again, from when I left Tennessee to where I went to Mid-South, a big purchase was not having to eat fucking hamburger helper.

Oh, shit.

I'll just get a big bunch of fucking food.

From 200 bucks a week on a good week to a thousand, there's some element of

I'll eat more, but

I mean, am I ducking this question, Brian?

The most money I ever spent on anything from money I made in wrestling was promoting fucking wrestling.

Jim, let's go to our next question.

This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Jersey Baronowski.

Oh, come on now.

Jersey Kaczynski was booked.

Why Rip Rogers didn't work more in Smoky Mountain Wrestling?

He was not retired, as he worked a few years later in OVW, and is friends with Jim, but his stint in Smoky Mountain Wrestling was very brief.

Well, yeah,

Rip never moved out of Seymour, and Seymour, Indiana is a pretty good piece from Knoxville.

I booked him to come down and do television for us early on when

we were doing the, you know, we do TV once a month and maybe do a couple of spot shows the next couple of days.

And then I could put him on the weekend, but it was a, you know,

a three-day loop for him so that it made the trip worthwhile.

But I wasn't going to

use Rip as a main event guy because

I didn't want to even drive from Seymour all that,

you know, that constantly every fucking week and probably didn't think he was going to.

He was doing other things.

He's always promoted shows or he was getting involved with OVW even at that point with Danny Davis.

But I knew that he could come down and have a tremendous match with Paul Lorndorf.

or a tremendous match with

whoever I was trying to get over.

And at the same time, he'd probably bring a guy or two down with him that could do jobs on TV

and that he could have them drive, whatever.

So

that's the only reason it was, you know, I wasn't suddenly going to give Rip a main event push and

didn't particularly want to ask him to move to goddamn East Tennessee from Seymour, Indiana, just to, you know, work a few days a month.

Well, Jim, our next question

sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent by Barry Duquette.

Why was Ernie Roth the Sheikh's manager outside of the Detroit area while Eddie Creechman was the manager I knew?

It was confusing to a ten-year-old me,

as Roth was in all the magazine picks, and I had no idea who he was.

Well, now, help me, Brian, and maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.

But did they do that at the same time, or did Creechman succeed

Ernie Roth when he went to New York and became the Grand Wizard?

Was there

some duplication?

Now, because I'm thinking, was there some duplication?

Maybe did Abdullah Farouk last longer in Toronto than in Detroit?

But

I don't know that that's the case.

Farouk was with

Abdullah Farouk was Ernie Roth, who left that gimmick to become the grand wizard of wrestling as the manager in the WWWF in the early 70s.

Farouk had been with the Sheik for so long, and they were in all the magazines together.

And because Sheik didn't do promos, he was, Farouk was heavily featured.

But I am remembering.

And somebody like our friend Supermouth Dave Drayson or somebody in the Midwest can confirm this, but

Sheikh had to get somebody else when Ernie went to become the wizard.

And that's when Creechman filled the spot because I know by 1974, Creechman was the full-time manager because he's the one that came to Indianapolis with Sheik when he settled the war with Bruiser.

So I think 73 was

the line of demarcation between Abdullah Farouk and Eddie Creechman?

Remember, there's a scene in I Like to Hurt People where they like have a little bit of a like they're both being interviewed and they're both just giving it to each other.

They're fighting with each other.

So they must have done something at some point when one of them gets turned up.

That's right.

I remember that.

Yeah, where they

well, I mean, Creechman just didn't fall out of a fucking helicopter,

to quote Jim Hurd.

So there was probably some element of transition there that they worked locally.

Remember Floyd Creechman?

Oh, God, yes.

But I hadn't thought about him in a long time until you just mentioned that name.

Well, Jim, let's go to our next question now.

This was sent via email from Corney DriveThru to corney drive-through at gmail.com.

Excuse me.

Or we're talking to ourselves.

We're asking our own questions.

This is a mess here.

Ladies and gentlemen,

here's our question.

My friend Ronnie

and I have a theory that you can usually tell how good an indie wrestling show will be based on the concession stand.

Hot dogs in a crock pot?

Not too good.

Shredded chicken sandwiches?

Probably a decent show.

Jim, what arena back in the day from your touring around

had the best concession stand, and what one had the worst?

And also, what was your favorite snack from a certain arena

this was well let me just this was sent by leonard hahurst heath ohio signed mr hoohoo from hee ha ohio

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there can be no doubt that the favorite food that i ever ate from any arena in the united states was the sausage dogs with cheese sauce all over them and they're like quarter pounders they're huge they're the size of peter north's penis

Why do you keep talking about Peter North?

Well, because he's the standard for penises.

Is he?

And

what do you think?

Just take a look at that and think it was Michelangelo's.

Oh, no.

I hadn't seen that.

Oh,

that's a teeny little fucking thing.

You can barely see it.

You got to get a magnifying glass.

Nevertheless, Harry Reams.

I don't want to encourage you.

Let's continue on.

I'm trying to get back to concessions and hot dogs and sausages and things.

The Louisville Gardens, the sausage dog with the cheese sauce, I would get one or two every Tuesday night at 6:50.

The concession stands would open up because doors were at seven, and I would be there in the building already, and I would be standing there at 6:50 right on the side of the Heels entrance to get my sausage dog so I could wolf it down before I had to start taking pictures.

And that remains my favorite thing that I've ever eaten from any of the arenas.

Now,

having said that,

back in those days, and a lot of the buildings we went to,

you didn't really get a chance to sample a lot of the food.

Maybe every once in a while, you found a friendly fan that you knew was friendly and was not going to put some kind of cat poison in your fucking drink and you could get a drink.

But

Evansville, Indiana at the Coliseum, had the absolute most flattest, weakest, putrid, watered-down, disgusting-tasting soft drinks, and the saltiest popcorn that had ever been popped because they figured the more they salted the popcorn, the more you'd buy the drinks.

And the hot dogs

tasted like they were boiled in some type of stale water and then put inside a soggy fucking bun that had no discernible bread taste.

So it was just like you were eating,

like, what is that, tofu?

You were eating a tofu hot dog wrapped in fucking paper.

That was Evansville.

Now, a few of the buildings used to have good pizza, but this was before the days where it was really

fashionable for any of the sports arenas to have the

variety and the gourmet cuisine that they have today and you were basically salty popcorn hot dogs of questionable quality soft drinks that may or may not be watered down and occasionally pizza that at least gave you some type of

feeling that you were eating something

that was about it overly salted popcorn

Well, that's an over, that's an old trick.

Bobby Fulton swears by that on his shows.

And that's what

you're doing.

It's on sale now, ladies and gentlemen.

There you go.

And that's the thing.

When we were running the goddamn Smoky Mountain spot shows or Ohio Valley wrestling spot shows, and you'd look out in the building and you'd see the goddamn

house wasn't that good, you'd send the word back salt the fucking popcorn because at least they'll buy more drinks.

All right.

Well, let's get another question or two in here, Jim, before we need some drinks.

This one was sent to corneydrivethru at gmail.com.

It is from Mike.

Jim, I am sure you've been asked this a million times, but who is the best spear in wrestling?

Well, I haven't been asked that a million times.

Because to be honest with you, until the last, what, 10 years or so, nobody really did it that much except for Rhino.

I got to,

and Hacksaw Duggan used to do a thing

that they called the spear.

Remember that playing on his football background, but he would get down in the three-point stance and he'd run and he'd leap in the air and he'd give you a shove with both hands and it looked like he speared you with his shoulder.

So it was a whole different thing.

Oh, but I,

besides Braun Breaker, who is, you know, I mean, again, with the speed and the fucking ferocity

and everything, I think it's the best one today.

Roman Reigns may have got more mileage and made more money with it, but Rhino in his day, just that fit him.

I still think the gore is my, my favorite one of those because,

you know,

he looked so good doing it.

It looked like a thing he would do, and guys took great bumps off of it.

So

that would be my,

Oh, that would also be my thought as suddenly out of nowhere and the sun is shining, it's raining outside.

I thought somebody was pissing on my office window.

That seems like a logical conclusion to come to.

Jim, what about Goldberg spear?

Oh, I forgot about him.

Yeah, he was really killing people, though.

So yeah,

it looked good, but he was fucking making people's children born dizzy.

So that was a good one, but I think you have to take a point or two away for the actual internal damage.

What about Edge?

Shit.

Is that thunder?

Yes.

It is a sunny day in my front yard.

I'm looking out the window and it just started pouring rain for a second and now it's thundering.

Somebody's mad at me for the way I'm asking, answering these questions.

All right.

Well, obviously, the world is coming to an end.

We'll wrap this thing up pretty quickly, but what about Edge?

What about Edge?

Here comes the frogs.

The frogs are falling falling from the sky.

We'll stop when you get to the locusts.

Jim, what about Edge's spear?

No, we had them in May, the locusts.

Edge, well, he did it good too, but when you're looking at Braun Breaker and you're looking at Rhino,

yeah, I'll take Edge's for I'll let those two motherfuckers hit me.

What about Roman Reigns?

Well, I said Roman Reigns probably made more money with it.

I mean, he does a good job of it and it's believable, but you don't have the speed of Braun Breaker nor the

perception of impact of Rhino.

Is the spear done too much?

Yes, because you've named 18 people that do the fucking spear, and I keep going back to the same two.

All right, well, ladies and gentlemen, with that, the drive-through.

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All right.

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