Episode 403

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Speaker 2 Hello again, friends, our chuckling friends, and all of our friends, you are our friends indeed.

Speaker 2 Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru here, aka friends, here in the hottest summer,

Speaker 2 at least this year. Last year was pretty hot too.
Actually, it's just another hot day, and it's only going to get hotter today with Hot Wrestling Talk. I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

Speaker 2 And here he is, the man delivering the heat, the leader of the cult of Cornette, Mr. Jim Cornet.

Speaker 15 I'm sorry, Brian, I couldn't hear you. I'm down on my knees.
Hold on, let me get back up here. I'm down on my knees, just begging and a pleading and urging and cajoling

Speaker 15 the next two days to be over with because I don't know about you up there, but in two days from now, the heat wave. It's going to break.
We're having a heat wave, a tropical heat wave.

Speaker 15 Well, it's going to go away. We're going to have highs in the 80s with dew points in the 50s instead of highs in the 90s with dew points in the 80s.

Speaker 15 We got 80-degree dew points here in the metro Louisville area, all around

Speaker 15 the big radar viewing area they have on my WDRB weather.

Speaker 15 And it's like it's...

Speaker 15 It's a swamp.

Speaker 15 It's a swamp. When you open the door to walk outside, you hear Cretan's Clearwater Revival music.

Speaker 15 Disgustifying is what it is. So, if you get what we're going to get in two more days, and then you'll get it a day later, I'll be down on it, and you'll have some relief.

Speaker 15 All right. Well, have you checked your due point?

Speaker 2 I haven't. I know it's up there because it's one of those days.

Speaker 2 It has to be up there today. If it was ever going to be up there, yesterday, today, and tomorrow are the days.

Speaker 15 Can I just be cranky here at the top of the program? I don't know whether I'm cranky. I don't know whether I'm bum-fuzzled, as Aunt Aunt Lola would say.
I'm regusted, as the kingfish would say.

Speaker 15 I don't know what to think, or as Mama Cornette used to say, I just don't understand people.

Speaker 15 Can I elaborate, Brian, here at the top of the program? Maybe you can try to help me understand what's going on. Here are the pan.

Speaker 15 We have a lovely audience in the cult of Cornette.

Speaker 15 And I think that we've proven and previous clinical studies have shown, as a matter of fact, some of the surveys that we've done, that our

Speaker 15 base fan base, as they say,

Speaker 15 is one of the more educated and the more

Speaker 15 high-performing and high-earning and high-thinking. And they're all high.
Hi.

Speaker 15 Hi.

Speaker 2 Want to get high? Hi.

Speaker 15 I can't come down.

Speaker 15 Ever since you came up. But nevertheless,

Speaker 15 they're very level-headed people, the majority of the cult of Cornette. But as we've all said at one time or another, there's an SOB in every crowd.

Speaker 15 But what has happened in the last several days,

Speaker 15 I don't understand.

Speaker 15 I don't know if there's a moral to this story. I don't know if there's a...

Speaker 15 some type of conclusion to be drawn about crowd psychology. I don't know if there's a simile or a homily

Speaker 15 or or or i just don't understand people everybody knows at this point i believe that's safe to assume

Speaker 15 that hulk hogan passed away last week as we're sitting here now several days ago not even a full week

Speaker 15 and we did a

Speaker 15 i don't know it wasn't a What did what did we do? It wasn't a tribute nor a necessarily an obituary. It was a discussion of his life and career as we saw it on on the last program you and i did

Speaker 15 and that was controversial already

Speaker 15 because literally as soon as the news was out

Speaker 15 people were starting to tweet us and they were starting to put comments on a youtube and above

Speaker 15 you're not going to talk about hogan

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 some people were like, I can't wait to see them roast Hogan now that he's dead. Like we had somehow been concocting voodoo dolls and waving spells over them on a daily basis.

Speaker 15 If I had that power, I'd use it on somebody else and do the whole world a favor.

Speaker 2 When have we ever waited until death to roast somebody?

Speaker 15 Exactly. And

Speaker 15 they're more succulent when they're still alive. The meat's fresher.

Speaker 15 But nevertheless, I'm not trying to go down that path. Point is some people say, okay, wait to see him roast him.
And some people are saying, oh, you're not going to talk about it.

Speaker 15 Three hours later, as I mentioned on the program we just did,

Speaker 15 I was in the dentist's chair and I was shot full of Novocaine and came home mid-Tursday afternoon with a fucking numb face and got this news. So I called you.
I said,

Speaker 15 So we waited a respectful time until I could get my feeling back

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 recorded the next day and rushed it out.

Speaker 15 And by that point we had people scraping i can't believe they're not going to talk about it like there were some kind of vultures who for the sake of oh we'll get 50 000 more views if we talk about this dead person right now and scoop everybody

Speaker 15 we're not that crass leave that to the to the crass people

Speaker 15 we're we're higher crass than that i always wanted to be high crass first crass

Speaker 15 first crass all the way, baby. But it was.
So then,

Speaker 15 after they had supposed we were going to roast him, or I can't wait to see how they're going to defend him. There was that.

Speaker 15 And then,

Speaker 15 you know, you're not going to talk about it like it was goddamn going to be. So we sit here on the anchor desk

Speaker 15 and then we release the clip. And Brian.

Speaker 15 I don't know what it said. This is the point I'm going to make about

Speaker 15 human relations, human beings, the way that people cognitively assimilate information.

Speaker 15 We released this clip talking about

Speaker 15 the life and career of Hulk Hogan as we saw it,

Speaker 15 you and me.

Speaker 15 And it's had, well, it's probably by now we're sitting here past 600,000. It certainly will be by the time people hear this views

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 thousands of comments,

Speaker 15 but they've all listened to the same clip.

Speaker 15 And there are people going,

Speaker 15 I can't believe that they actually took over that no-good son of a bitch.

Speaker 15 And there are people saying,

Speaker 15 You mean to tell me that they couldn't even be respectful to this man when he's dead now and they still have to trash him?

Speaker 2 Yeah, we can't win.

Speaker 15 And there are also people, I can't believe the mental gymnastics they went through to try to justify. It's the same fucking clip.

Speaker 15 It's the same fucking, it's the same fucking clip.

Speaker 15 Again, your thoughts on what the fuck is the matter with people? Mama Cornette didn't ever say that.

Speaker 2 I think most of the listeners,

Speaker 2 the majority the vast majority were probably in the same boat as you and i you know two people just discussing this major star beyond wrestling who just died and evaluating everything we didn't take any sides in anything

Speaker 2 but again people there are people who are so

Speaker 2 deep-seated on one side or another that they don't even want a discussion to be had.

Speaker 2 That's the sickness. It's like you can think what you want, believe what you want, not want to hear what you don't want to hear, but when you don't even want a discussion to take place.

Speaker 2 And again, it was on both sides. It was the people that thought, because we've had so much fun laughing at the conduct of Hulk Hogan.
Remember, it was a few months ago, he called him Benjamin Shelton.

Speaker 2 I mean, that just happened.

Speaker 2 Of course we laughed at that. They thought because of the tone of those clips, we couldn't have an honest discussion about the biggest star in in wrestling history.

Speaker 2 And then there are other people who thought he's so awful and an admitted racist. How could you give that much time to him? You couldn't win.
And I think we actually did a great job.

Speaker 2 And I think the conversation was similar probably to a lot of conversations a lot of fans were having around the country.

Speaker 15 And there was an element of Trump botism, also, I noticed, because

Speaker 15 as soon as he's associated with that sub-genre of

Speaker 15 thinking, then everything else is that's fine now.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 I just again, you know, and we encourage everybody if you want to see for yourself or hear for yourself or decide for yourself or play with yourself while you're listening to it. It's on YouTube.

Speaker 15 And look at if you don't even want to listen to the thing, read some of these fucking comments and tell me how are these people listening to the same goddamn

Speaker 15 exact discussion

Speaker 15 and bringing away

Speaker 15 completely diverse viewpoints on the subject.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw someone post because they posted this in several videos. It was like such a deep thought they had to share it across several videos.

Speaker 15 Either share it or shit it if it's that deep.

Speaker 2 Clearly, Brian's a hulkamaniac.

Speaker 2 It was like, oh, that was your takeaway from the discussion we had there. All right.

Speaker 2 Sure. And it meant a lot to you.

Speaker 2 You can't make everyone happy, but there there are plenty of people the vast majority of the audience were happy with the discussion i think

Speaker 15 well yeah it's but some people are just they're just contrary

Speaker 2 contrary as uncle tommy used to say yeah they're quite contrary as a matter of fact are you surprised by the level of coverage Still, I mean, you know, it's Monday or it's Tuesday now, but Monday Night Raw happened yesterday, and obviously they did something there, but it's still been in the newspapers to the point New York Post had like, you know, Brutus beefcake quotes

Speaker 2 so they can get another article out of it. No, seriously.

Speaker 15 And the last time he was in the papers up there, he was in Boston, wasn't he? I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I apologize,

Speaker 15 but uh, completely different. Are you surprised?

Speaker 2 Again, biggest wrestling star ever. That's one thing, but a mainstream star that people who weren't even wrestling fans knew.
Are you surprised how much coverage and how big the coverage was?

Speaker 15 I'm actually thinking, yeah, because

Speaker 15 we'll talk about this here in a minute, maybe, but Ozzie in the same cycle. I don't think Ozzie Osborne didn't get this level of attention or positively.

Speaker 15 I was out of town for the first couple of days, though. So, that might have

Speaker 15 hampered my consumption of everything.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 I get not only because for wrestling fans, but as we mentioned, and this drives it home even more,

Speaker 15 because he got on all the mainstream talk shows, had the movie parts, had the television.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 what was my quote that people liked? When people looked at him at first, when they first saw him, they look at the fuck that.

Speaker 15 The visual sight of him, he was magnetic and he drew your attention.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 so to

Speaker 15 anybody. And I learned this on a regional level, but it applies on a national level.
When you think about it,

Speaker 15 when I was trying to get television and

Speaker 15 for smoky mountain wrestling in east tennessee people didn't know who the

Speaker 15 current big stars were even though they were on tbs or wwf or whatever they knew ron wright

Speaker 15 because that's who they grew up on but the people they grew up on

Speaker 15 or the the the people that grew up were now the ones in decision-making

Speaker 15 positions.

Speaker 15 They were heads of programming or heads of TV or heads of companies that would sponsor something. You see where I'm going with this.

Speaker 15 So to,

Speaker 15 you know, whatever period of time from if you were of whatever age from 1983 to 1998,

Speaker 15 you know, Hulk Hogan was on everything.

Speaker 15 And now those people

Speaker 15 are in, you know, positions of power in media and et cetera, to where

Speaker 15 that was a, you know, a legendary figure and an icon of their generation.

Speaker 2 I think that's well said. And again, major star.

Speaker 15 That's why I said it.

Speaker 2 You know, I think we kind of have seen the beginning in terms of at least the wrestling end of it, although it went beyond wrestling, the coverage of Hogan and the different viewpoints.

Speaker 2 More than likely, we're going to keep seeing this replay over the next few years when some of the big legends of wrestling wrestling age out.

Speaker 15 That's a less severe way to put it, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I think if you think of who's left of a certain age group who are a certain star level,

Speaker 2 every passing is going to become this going forward. Here are all the amazing accomplishments.
Here are all the good things he did. And here's why he's terrible to the core.

Speaker 2 And I think we're going to keep seeing that over and over.

Speaker 15 Oh, well, everybody gets an opinion now too

Speaker 15 because they can remember remember what i've always said brian people were always this stupid we just didn't have twitter

Speaker 2 you brought up ozzie osborne before any thoughts on the passing of ozzie osborne i was surprised how many listeners actually got in touch and asked for your opinion on this well yes and and that's the thing

Speaker 15 again when i was on the trip uh we were at the

Speaker 15 library all day and then we'd come back and you know just freshen freshen up as old people do. And it went and had dinner.
And I'm going to sleep, right? And I, you know,

Speaker 15 didn't even really pay attention to television when I was nodding off. I was reading a book.
So I come home, and the first thing Stacey says, Ozzy died. I don't know, what the fuck?

Speaker 15 Because we had just seen

Speaker 15 the clips of him doing the final performance. And yes, he did it

Speaker 15 sitting down, but he did it from a goddamn

Speaker 15 cool ass-looking throne or whatever.

Speaker 15 So the point is,

Speaker 15 I was surprised because you wouldn't think that he was

Speaker 15 that near,

Speaker 15 what did you say, aging out a minute ago, the euphemism we used, when he's just been able to do

Speaker 15 a fucking show. A fucking change.
It's Ozzy.

Speaker 15 It's Aussie. He did a fucking show.

Speaker 2 That was Ozzy. I don't know what you're doing.
What is that? What voice is that?

Speaker 15 That's Ozzy, right? He did the fucking show. I'm the fucking prince of darkness do you remember did you ever see the jerky boys movie

Speaker 2 no it's not

Speaker 15 I have more pride in myself than to go even to see something titled that who knows what may be happening in those aisles in the theater and when the lights go down the jerky boys well it's a bizarre movie uh that I can't even recall.

Speaker 2 It's been a while since I've seen it. If it's good or just bad, bad, bad.
But Ozzy has a cameo in there. There's a few cameos.

Speaker 2 He plays the manager of some like, I think it was like a nightclub act who one of the jerky boys convinced to leave. And Ozzy goes like, hey, where is he? And the guy goes, he joined the monkeys.

Speaker 2 And Ozzie's line, the one line I remember, the fucking monkeys.

Speaker 15 No,

Speaker 15 I used to watch the Osbournes.

Speaker 15 Stace and I, as a matter of fact, would sit and watch the Osbourne.

Speaker 15 I forget what night of the week it was on or whether it was probably on multiple times, even then it was on cable, but we would sit and watch the Osbournes 20 years ago or whatever

Speaker 15 because Ozzie was

Speaker 15 that wacky Ozzy Osbourne.

Speaker 15 Kelly and the other kid, I can't remember his name. They were both pudgy and fairly inoffensive.
And Sharon had cute dogs.

Speaker 2 It's a great tribute.

Speaker 15 Well, they're not dead yet.

Speaker 15 So I can give my unvarnished feelings.

Speaker 15 You know, that's basically where they were at. And then the puppies, the puppies.

Speaker 15 And that was good for a couple of years. But, you know, I guess

Speaker 15 how the fuck old was how the fuck old was Ozzy?

Speaker 15 Because when you think about it with the

Speaker 15 various, I guess he's been on various types of drugs and alcohol and fucking lived on Neptune. I I don't know what the fuck all Ozzy Osborne's done.

Speaker 2 76.

Speaker 15 Jesus Christ. That's like

Speaker 15 98 to 104 with the heat index for the average human being that hasn't swum in chemicals for their entire life.

Speaker 2 Kills all the bacteria. There's so many chemicals in there.

Speaker 15 You know, well,

Speaker 15 we need to have they donated his body to science or donated it to science fiction.

Speaker 15 But, but no, I love the music was wonderful the osborns was a a nice light diversion for a couple years but ozzy seemed to be the the charismatic one there i'm i'm sorry to see that he's passed on but i'm amazed now when you think about it that

Speaker 15 he could have not only lasted this long but sat there and remembered all the words and done all the songs here a couple weeks ago Of course, he had an involvement with wrestling, WrestleMania 2 in Chicago.

Speaker 2 Ozzy and Captain Lou Albano managed a British Bulldogs when they won the tag titles from the Dream Team. It's one of those weird moments where Dynamite takes one of the craziest bumps of his career.

Speaker 2 The camera misses it.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then the Bulldogs win, and as they're down on the ground, just got their ass kicked, but they're the champions. The only attention is being paid to Ozzie and Captain Lou.

Speaker 2 The Bulldogs are basically ignored while Ozzie. and Captain Lou are interviewed.

Speaker 15 And wasn't that the bump that Dynamite fucked himself up on?

Speaker 2 It wasn't the one where

Speaker 15 the one where he gave up, but it was the, or gave out rather, but it was the one kind of that you figure was

Speaker 2 most of it was. Footage emerged that after years of hearing the rumors about like, you know, Dynamite Boulevard is back here or there.

Speaker 2 The footage, it was like a house show, I want to say maybe Hamilton, Ontario, or somewhere in Canada. It was the Bulldogs against Morocco and Norton, I think.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And he was just running the ropes, and I think Morocco put his knee up

Speaker 2 and he went down like he'd been shot. Just, it was, it was

Speaker 15 that simple. I remember, I remember, I think that was the spot.

Speaker 15 But I've seen the clip, but it's been a while. But they were doing a crisscross spot.
He was hitting the ropes. I remember that.
And I think they were going for that.

Speaker 15 But I think as he, it may have been even as he stepped over the other heel,

Speaker 15 he just something snapped or something collapsed or he just fell into that thing and just crumpled and never got back up.

Speaker 15 I think it may have happened just on the jump over and when he landed, blah blah blah.

Speaker 15 And that was, well, nevertheless, we're getting sideways here

Speaker 15 because we're talking about Ozzy, not

Speaker 15 Dynamite, but

Speaker 15 Ozzy to me,

Speaker 15 the biggest connection he ever had with wrestling. He didn't probably know it for probably four or five years.
Maybe somebody smartened him up. The Road Warriors music.

Speaker 2 The Road Warrior pop. How much of that was?

Speaker 15 The Road Warrior Pop. Yeah,

Speaker 15 it was perfect. Because believe me, of anybody that's going to speak to

Speaker 15 you people, to the people this week or this month, I'm probably the last one left that's been standing in the ring this many times

Speaker 15 hearing the fucking music hit and hearing the people go crazy when they would fucking come out. It was the perfect match of music and talent.

Speaker 15 And that's what, you know,

Speaker 15 I've always appreciated about music is sometimes it may not be everybody's favorite song they want to come out to, but you have to fit the fucking presentation.

Speaker 15 And that was the perfect match. And

Speaker 15 I'm not even saying the music got them over more or they,

Speaker 15 you know, got the music over what it just matched perfectly. That was the vibe.
That was the. the feeling you wanted everybody to have and it was that violent

Speaker 15 and he

Speaker 15 it wouldn't have worked if you'd have, and it didn't work when they

Speaker 15 various places would change their fucking music because they had to, rights, fees, whatever. Back in the good old bootleg days,

Speaker 15 we were on, think about this, Brian.

Speaker 15 1986, 87,

Speaker 15 it's not like they're just doing it in territories where they're on.

Speaker 15 six, seven, eight mid-market TV stations or

Speaker 15 we're on TBS.

Speaker 15 Here we got 70, 80 something fucking, no, maybe 100 by then.

Speaker 15 100 syndicated stations and Crockett's just playing this music and they never paid anybody.

Speaker 15 How the fuck did we get away with that for so long now

Speaker 15 in retrospect?

Speaker 2 Vince, how did Vince get away in New York? doing a lot of business in California, doing business with the record companies eventually. Championship wrestling began with Thriller.

Speaker 2 It was not even coming to the ring to Thriller. Piper's Pit, like the unofficial theme, the Piper's Pit is owner of a Lonely Heart, like the instrumental version of it.

Speaker 15 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 2 But Thriller, the biggest song of all time, even then. And that was the introductory to the show for like two years, two and a half years.

Speaker 15 And, you know, and the only time that they said anything about it

Speaker 15 in Atlanta was in 89 when they bought the company, and somebody figured it out that, hey, should we be playing all this shit? And then they'd still play some shit,

Speaker 15 but they wouldn't play other shit. They made us change our music with the most obscure fucking

Speaker 15 track possible.

Speaker 15 And then they had the Steiners coming out to Welcome to the Jungle.

Speaker 2 Yeah, as soon as they changed the Midnight Express music, it was Steiners. Sky Scriptress music was real music, flying.
Brian came like a deaf leopard for a while, I think.

Speaker 15 Yes.

Speaker 15 It seems like we'll just selectively figure out who might not find out.

Speaker 2 So you mean Giorgio had a problem with you guys, but not Eddie Gilbert?

Speaker 2 The same producer would be the same problem.

Speaker 15 Oh, and

Speaker 15 remember when

Speaker 15 Dusty Hill of ZZ Top

Speaker 15 was it lived in Houston and was a big wrestling fan.

Speaker 15 And when the Fantastics were there,

Speaker 15 of course, since it was a fabulous one's homage,

Speaker 15 they were doing the same thing Stan and Steve had done in Tennessee. They did the ZZ top style videos with the girls and the old car and they came out to Sharp Dressed Man.

Speaker 15 And Dusty Hill came as a fan one night and ended up, Bobby and Tommy went over to his house and

Speaker 15 visited with him a number of times while they were in the territory, whatever. But

Speaker 15 they heard Dusty Hill wants to see you. They, oh, shit, we're dead.
He's suing us.

Speaker 15 He didn't give a shit.

Speaker 15 I just, he didn't tell the record company, I guess. But he was a fan.
He liked it.

Speaker 15 What were we talking about?

Speaker 2 The adventures of Ozzie and Harriet.

Speaker 15 Oh, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy, Ozzy.

Speaker 15 It's a shame that he's gone. But it's a miracle that he was here that long.

Speaker 2 What do you think of the idea of knowing your time is running out, your family knowing your time is running out, and doing a show like he did?

Speaker 2 I mean, I saw clips of fans crying while he was singing Mama, I'm coming home, which, you know, actually of all the songs, considering how sick he looked, that's the one that would get you.

Speaker 2 What do you think about like just knowing,

Speaker 2 all right, you know, like the doctor says I only have X amount of time.

Speaker 2 I'm going to do something with like all the different players throughout my career and all the different people.

Speaker 2 You know, what do you think of that?

Speaker 15 Well, it was nice he could. I wonder, did they know he was like this close? Oh, shit.
Well, you know, hopefully, we won't have to fucking postpone this date.

Speaker 15 I mean, it in his health,

Speaker 15 just of late, I assume they knew that if he's going to do it, he probably should do it now. And I think that was a touching thing.
And from the clips that I saw, also

Speaker 15 several of his bandmates were, you know, emotional and everything.

Speaker 15 So that was was great. But I wonder if they knew that he was two weeks away.
They're like, shit, he might

Speaker 15 keel over on the stage.

Speaker 15 I don't know if I'd want to cut it that close or not. If I'm two weeks away, I'm like, just don't know.

Speaker 15 No, no, no flash photography, please.

Speaker 2 GG Allen always said he was going to die on the stage and then he overdosed on St. Mark's Place.
So it didn't.

Speaker 15 It didn't. Well,

Speaker 15 hey, but just think about it. You know, many comedians have lived that, dying on stage and survived.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, this has been Death Talk.
Jim, any thoughts on the passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner?

Speaker 15 What happened to him? I don't know. I'm not even aware of this.

Speaker 2 This must have happened during your trip. He drowned, apparently saving his daughter from scary conditions in the water.
And unfortunately, he drowned

Speaker 2 from the Cosby show and Malcolm and Eddie and a musician.

Speaker 15 Well, I've heard the name.

Speaker 15 I never saw the Cosby show

Speaker 15 because that coincided with the 80s with my,

Speaker 15 I never saw 80s primetime TV until I would go search things out later. And, you know, then by then we all knew about Cosby.
But I've heard the name. I couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

Speaker 15 But I'm sorry to hear that that happened.

Speaker 15 Where were they? Were there another one of these

Speaker 15 beach undertow type of situations?

Speaker 2 I can't say for sure. I didn't read all the articles about it, but it was something like that.

Speaker 15 There's something to be said for swimming pools

Speaker 15 with clearly marked

Speaker 15 heights and depths and things and such.

Speaker 15 I don't know if I was a

Speaker 15 beach person. Well, you're a beach person, but they don't let you swim in the radioactive waters of Long Island, do they?

Speaker 15 But like if I was in Florida, California, or whatever, was used to the beach, it may be one thing. But that skid, just swimming out there in the middle of a bunch of water scares the fuck out of me.

Speaker 2 That was one of my final straws with Long Beach. It's like, I've been swimming in this ocean my entire life.
I swim in the winter. I'm a good swimmer.
I can swim in pools too, obviously.

Speaker 2 You won't let me go out there with my friends because it's too dangerous. I just saw a six-year-old with a fucking surfboard run out there.

Speaker 2 They let the surfers go out there, but they don't let the body surfers go out there.

Speaker 15 What are you saying now?

Speaker 15 They only let children go to play in the ocean now up there?

Speaker 2 They'll let anyone with a surfboard go out if it's a little rough, but they won't let anyone who actually is in the water all the time go out. So

Speaker 15 you gotta.

Speaker 15 What do you consider a little rough?

Speaker 2 Waves. Just waves.

Speaker 15 Waves?

Speaker 2 Waves. That's what you wait for.
That's what you wait for all year. When can I get some good waves?

Speaker 15 Why do you want waves?

Speaker 15 That'll jostle you about and create dangerous conditions where you might be sucked in by an undertow and fucking flung out to sea like a goddamn piece of human garbage or a fucking plastic condom that's been discarded off the edge of a fucking broken pier.

Speaker 2 It may feel good. Jim, any thoughts on the passing of Chuck Mangioni?

Speaker 15 He doesn't feel so good, does he?

Speaker 15 I did hear about the chuck. How did you say it that one time? Chuck Manjohn?

Speaker 15 And it's terrible, but I get how old was he? How old was Chuck Manjohn when he when he stopped feeling so good?

Speaker 15 Do you have that information in front of you? He had to be, because if he was feeling so good in the 70s, 84.

Speaker 15 Okay, well, I was going to, oh, geez, that's even older than I thought.

Speaker 15 Well, maybe

Speaker 15 I was going to say he might have had some kind of aneurysm from blowing that hard and fucking stressing his head all that time, but maybe it was strengthening his lungs at the same time.

Speaker 15 But he, Chuck,

Speaker 15 we're going to miss you, Chuck. We hope you feel better.

Speaker 2 Are there any other recent deaths you wish to talk about?

Speaker 15 I don't know. You're the one that keeps bringing up fucking people dying one right after the other, like it's a goddamn plague out here.

Speaker 15 Can't you talk about anything aspirational and uplifting?

Speaker 2 Well, of course, Jim, when one passes, you really just hope that your plans are followed. You don't know what's going to happen with your estate.
You won't be here.

Speaker 2 What's going to happen with your money? So while you're living, you got to spend that money and spend it right. What about Cornett's Collectibles at jimcornet.com?

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Speaker 2 Well, we'll see what happens, but Jim,

Speaker 2 as we get back to the grind, let's talk about whatever recent stuff you have watched up to now from WWE television.

Speaker 15 All right. Well,

Speaker 15 basically, since we have gotten back to our regular schedule after my out-of-town trip,

Speaker 15 and obviously

Speaker 15 the Hogan news has taken all the air out of the room in all wrestling circles, especially.

Speaker 15 They're continuing to do

Speaker 15 programs because we're just days away from

Speaker 15 the biggest two-night event of the summer, folks.

Speaker 15 Summer schlam.

Speaker 15 Summer slam. I still say Rocky Crunoda ought to trademark that before it's too late.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 we'll talk just briefly about SmackDown and Raw, folks. Don't think this is going to be a long dissertation because the point is going to be made by talking to you about what we didn't see.

Speaker 15 But the point is, do you think

Speaker 15 is it just because I took a week or so out of town and didn't pay attention for a week or two?

Speaker 15 But is anybody clamoring for SummerSlam like it's the like even like it's SummerSlam, but much less like the first two-night night and the the second only to wrestlemania type of oh god yes

Speaker 15 for the fans is it

Speaker 15 am i just am i just

Speaker 15 i'm not figuring i'm kyle the lonely jew on christmas

Speaker 2 i mean as you're saying that i don't know what you want me to say i'm agreeing with you you're talking me into well being unenthusiastic about this it's not you know we felt the same way about wrestlemania and again that was a weird build it was extra weeks no i didn't

Speaker 15 I still knew it was going to be WrestleMania, and there's a lot of big shit going on. This is worse.

Speaker 2 Well, we'll talk about the lineup.

Speaker 15 Well, no, I mean, just the anticipation.

Speaker 15 The anticipation.

Speaker 2 It doesn't feel like there's too much. Maybe for a match or two.

Speaker 2 Not to say that various things won't blow people away, but I don't know. I'm not really.

Speaker 2 It's been a weird year for WWE. It's been a weird year of building things.
The TV isn't as strong as it was, I don't think.

Speaker 2 This unreal show is about to drop, and we may have to talk about that and watch that because

Speaker 15 drop may be a word from some of the previews I've seen.

Speaker 15 I was afraid you were going to say we're going to watch that, but there's going to be some demand for.

Speaker 15 I can already tell you right now, I'll just

Speaker 15 blow one of our surprises.

Speaker 15 This unreal, unscripted, behind-the-scene, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 15 I've already seen one instance in one of these previews where I know the way that a couple of people involved in this thing talk or react in certain situations, and it seemed to me that they weren't very surprised by the surprise.

Speaker 15 So, we'll go into

Speaker 15 more detail whenever we see this thing.

Speaker 2 You know, there is a big difference between documentary and reality TV.

Speaker 2 Reality TV, just in its name would almost indicate that it's real and it almost never is.

Speaker 2 It almost always is a put-on for the cameras. Again, we'll see what this is.
They're very excited about it. Tune in to watch us expose the business this week on Netflix.

Speaker 2 But there may be stuff coming out of this, apparently, about the scene of Heel Turn and various things behind the scenes. I wonder if there's anyone who would refuse to participate.

Speaker 15 It would be refreshing, but I think at this point, you know, why? Right. Why?

Speaker 2 You're, you know, when they did the Cody and Brandy show and like the young bucks were like, they were there, but they were like blacked out.

Speaker 2 Like their faces were like, you couldn't see who they were.

Speaker 15 Well, but nobody, nobody in the WWE is allowed to have anything personal against people. It prevents anything involving their business.
So that would be the difference maker there.

Speaker 15 But well, let's talk about SmackDown and Raw. They did two different Hulk Hogan tributes.

Speaker 15 And there was some,

Speaker 15 there were some similarities and there were some differences, but let's talk about that. And I didn't even,

Speaker 15 in the

Speaker 15 rush of things over the weekend and trying to catch up, I didn't even notate what towns they were. Oh, Cleveland, they were in for SmackDown.
I don't think I know what city they were in for Raw.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 they opened the SmackDown show.

Speaker 2 Raw was in Detroit.

Speaker 15 Detroit. Okay.
Cleveland, Detroit. But they had two fucking days in between.
Oh, Jesus Christ. That means they had all had to stay in Toledo?

Speaker 15 Anyway, that's a Midwest joke, if you didn't get that one, Brian. So

Speaker 15 all the talent and the officials were on the stage for SmackDown, and then you saw

Speaker 15 Brian Blair, Ted DiBiase, Jimmy Hart, Bruce Pritchard, Gerald Briscoe, Sergeant Slaughter, Jim Duggan.

Speaker 15 And I got to be honest with you, I was grasping, trying to think of anybody

Speaker 15 else from

Speaker 15 that generation that had that's still around, is what I'm trying to say. Not that, you know, Bishop said he couldn't make and he was at Monday's.
We'll talk about that in a minute. But

Speaker 15 in the WWF, somebody

Speaker 15 tweeted out like out of the first 10 WrestleManias, there's like three or four guys still around that were in those matches or some shit.

Speaker 2 Tito

Speaker 15 and T what and Tito. Tito's always around.

Speaker 2 But he was in the first, but he wasn't here. First eight WrestleManias and nine, if you consider the dark match.

Speaker 15 No, I meant the main events. The WrestleMania main event, there's only like three or four guys left.
Ariba.

Speaker 15 Well, but he wasn't in the main event.

Speaker 2 But it doesn't matter. He worked his heart out.

Speaker 15 He's still Aripa. All right.
Anyway,

Speaker 15 you're gonna die on this hill i'll move on point is they're all on the stage is what i'm telling you

Speaker 15 and triple h was in the front and center and he did a speech and

Speaker 15 what at first there had been kind of light hogan chants as they zoomed in because they had the graphic on the screens in the building and everything

Speaker 15 And I just noted as I was listening to Triple H speak, as they're kind of panning and/or, you know, just seeing the whole stage. A lot of the guys are looking like we're enduring this, but

Speaker 15 we've been sadder. Is that a good way maybe to say what it looked like? Because these guys weren't the contemporaries of Hogan, and

Speaker 15 he's probably not been the most endearing figure in his brief pop-ins over the last few years

Speaker 15 to the locker room. So they weren't,

Speaker 15 I mean, jimmy hart yes is close friend and

Speaker 15 briscoe's one of the people that discovered him 50 years ago or whatever

Speaker 2 but did you get the impression a lot of the talent was like okay now we're supposed to this is like a school assembly thing well you know the first thing you look for is who's in the front line you know randy orton was there and randy orton didn't seem like that he seemed like he actually genuinely was i don't know moved is the word or just observing the well yeah memorial, but again, there's a different relationship there.

Speaker 2 His father wrestled against Hogan in the prime era. He grew up

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 15 also he, at least 20 years ago, was in the locker rooms with him.

Speaker 15 So he's kind of the bridge of those two generations where you were with the guy every night and it graduated to we never see this guy except when he pops in and

Speaker 15 you know, fucking sells beer.

Speaker 2 From what we've heard publicly, you know, it's not like some of the guys have hidden it. I mean, Seth Rollins was very vocal about it.
Thank God he wasn't there for this.

Speaker 2 It would have made it awkward.

Speaker 2 But it was the contemporary wrestlers, the wrestlers of today

Speaker 2 that were the ones who didn't want him around, or at least not everyone, but, you know, that's the crowd. The wrestlers who were in the locker room with Hogan didn't feel that way, at least in WWF.

Speaker 2 I don't know about, you know, Brett may have something to say,

Speaker 2 but, you know, like, you know, the wrestlers.

Speaker 15 Brett never, never has anything bad to say about anybody. Come on.

Speaker 2 But I think,

Speaker 2 you know, there's a difference there. And when you see the people in that front line, you know, Jimmy Hart, Brian Blair, who, you know, that Tampa connection, they started together, I believe.

Speaker 2 You know, it was interesting to see who was there and how they were reacting.

Speaker 2 They brought Sergeant Slaughter in.

Speaker 2 You know, Cody, front and center, next to Triple H.

Speaker 2 He is supposed to be the baby face, face of the company. Well, actually.
That is the job. That is the role, you would think.

Speaker 15 That's a required position in that, you know, respect.

Speaker 2 And again, who knows what Cody thinks? Cody

Speaker 2 could probably see things like we did on the show from various perspectives. And,

Speaker 2 you know, but still, he is that guy. That is the role.
And it's a role that Cody takes very seriously.

Speaker 2 You know, we talked about, and we'll talk about it a little bit later, AEW's reaction, but we talked about in the past on that last show.

Speaker 2 You know, they banned Linda Hogan.

Speaker 2 I forgot what the actual tweet was. It was a tweet from Tony saying, you join your husband in being banned.

Speaker 2 And I think that says a lot about what the modern wrestlers, especially the people that were there when AEW started,

Speaker 2 it's not just there.

Speaker 15 Actually, somebody just retweeted that. So I saw that.
I actually know a Linda Hogan tweet, but she had, I can't quote it chapter and verse, but.

Speaker 15 She had said, well, if these people out there writing want to be taken seriously and use a little bit possibly more racially descriptive language, not a big slur or anything.

Speaker 15 But if these what people want to be taken seriously, then they can't be because it was during some riots because of,

Speaker 15 I think, George Floyd.

Speaker 2 My point was, they didn't say you're banned for being ignorant, they said you join your husband in being banned. That was the first time anyone had heard that.

Speaker 15 Her residual goofiness was transferred over to him in that

Speaker 15 effect. And it inflamed it, it basically made people think, oh, the whole fucking family.

Speaker 2 They began the show Friday and Monday. We'll talk about Monday shortly with the tribute.
You had Triple H there. You had the video.
Do you agree that's what they should have done?

Speaker 2 That's how SmackDown needed to begin, or what do you think?

Speaker 15 Oh, well, if they were going to do anything, it had to be at the start. So the placement is the only question was what they were going to do, but whatever they did, it had to be at the start.

Speaker 15 You couldn't, because that's what everybody's waiting for, and they would zone out for anything else. They had to see what they were going to do.
They had to see what they were going to say.

Speaker 15 And again, in the

Speaker 15 and I can hear the meetings now in Stanford or wherever they're having their meetings these days.

Speaker 15 They're saying that we can't

Speaker 15 go into his personal situation because in our universe, in the canon, as they say, of of our programming,

Speaker 15 the world that we have created, we are going to celebrate the biggest star in the business at it and how he was a mainstream icon for a lot of people and had this long career.

Speaker 15 We're not going to delve into a goddamn and adjudicate his personal issues. And that's what they did.

Speaker 15 And they did it well.

Speaker 15 I thought the video, we'll talk about them both together because there's something interesting I'll go into in a second.

Speaker 15 But I thought they did a better job with the video on Monday because they had more time to put it together. But still, the Friday video was longer and it had the Triple H narration.

Speaker 15 And I think that

Speaker 15 I don't know whether that's something that he wanted to do or whether, I mean, he wanted to do it because he did it, but I don't know if it had been his idea or if

Speaker 15 someone,

Speaker 15 in production who was putting this thing together said, hey, you ought to do this to make it even

Speaker 15 bigger, gravitas, more important, whatever.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 they just did a seven-minute career retrospective, chronologically all the way through, Hall of Fame, et cetera,

Speaker 15 and then came back out.

Speaker 15 The biggest thing to me

Speaker 15 was the people in the arena.

Speaker 15 There There was, I think, Detroit was better than Cleveland for him.

Speaker 15 When they did the 10-bell salute, there was nice applause and

Speaker 15 got a bigger Hogan chant than

Speaker 15 the one they had going before when Triple H started speaking. And then after the video,

Speaker 15 nice applause, and there was a short Hogan Hogan.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 I'm wondering, could you tell that not only was

Speaker 15 there a little

Speaker 15 heed? Because I mean, these are the modern hardcore fans. He's not a hero to that audience

Speaker 15 because of his controversies and,

Speaker 15 you know, in and out of the business and

Speaker 15 exaggerations and tall tales, whatever.

Speaker 15 But also, it's just not the age group anymore.

Speaker 15 If this was Austin,

Speaker 15 would they have been,

Speaker 15 I guess what I'm saying is, would there have been a big chant? Because

Speaker 15 they get a bigger fucking chant when he shows up, Austin.

Speaker 15 Have we just, have we removed ourselves too far timeliness for the average wrestling fan, even if they haven't formed a negative opinion of him?

Speaker 2 I don't know, because I think Detroit, it seemed like it was a pretty strong reaction.

Speaker 15 Again, there there are

Speaker 15 stronger there.

Speaker 2 There are some booze mixed in with the Hogan chants, and you do have to, you know, equate for that.

Speaker 2 You have to take into account the idea that there are fans there that may not react at all or may stand there silently or may boo.

Speaker 2 But again, in terms of the audience they're hitting with that video, and I thought both videos were

Speaker 2 very well done with some very interesting things put into the second video.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I think the fan base that goes to the shows, a lot of them

Speaker 2 may be people that, at a minimum, caught the tail end

Speaker 2 of Hulkamania 20 years ago in WWF, maybe even WCW.

Speaker 2 Look, if I'm a fan, I'm not going to the shows, but there are plenty of fans my age who grew up in the same era that I did and the fans a little bit older than us who were watching Saturday Night's main event in 1985.

Speaker 2 So I don't think it's outrageous to think that it's the audience. It's not like it's just all young kids going.

Speaker 2 You know, again, you can't.

Speaker 2 You can't get around the self-induced issues that were front and center, and some fans just never are going to look past it.

Speaker 15 And I think that was kind of the sad thing. And I don't know, maybe it's just,

Speaker 15 you know,

Speaker 15 like Dundee used to say about me when I first started, Cordette, if we ever smarten you up, it'll kill your gimmick.

Speaker 15 Dominic on Raw Monday night was standing in the front row chewing gum and just looking around like, when will this bullshit be over with? How about Champa through the whole thing?

Speaker 2 How about Tomaso Champa out there on SmackDown with no shirt on?

Speaker 15 Well, but I thought, did they put him out there because he's bald and people might, from a distance, would think Triple H was out there? More on that in a second. But the point is, Dominic

Speaker 15 did not look upset, is what I'm saying. And now I've probably put heat on him, but he was on goddamn television.

Speaker 15 But the talent again didn't seem broken up on raw except this time yeah bischoff was able to be there there were again a few people in front and center bruce has been on

Speaker 15 on front and center on everything um

Speaker 15 representing and they did a different

Speaker 2 i'm sorry oh i just said representing vince and the role of vince yes yes big fat bruce

Speaker 15 uh

Speaker 15 And they did a new video to a song who I'm sorry, I do not know the artist or

Speaker 15 origin of, but as I said, they had more time. It was a nice, more nicely edited piece, I thought, a little more succinct,

Speaker 15 just because they had a little more time to work on it over the weekend, but highlights of his career, et cetera. And he got a better

Speaker 15 Hogan chant. But the thing that was different about Raw,

Speaker 15 it was disorienting to me at first because they had all the talent on stage again, all the Raw crew.

Speaker 15 And Triple H started speaking.

Speaker 15 And then I realized Triple H wasn't on stage they played the audio of the speech he made from smackdown friday night yeah it took me a second too i'm like where's triple h i hear him it sounds like he's saying the same thing he said the other day yes and he stumbled over the same word and then i realized that's why i like his tomaso out there so people at a distance will think it's him

Speaker 15 but that was what was a little

Speaker 15 disorienting uh to me uh sensorily at first is like where the is he and then i realized what he can't be there because he's not saying these things.

Speaker 15 So, he was he was with us in spirit and on audio tape.

Speaker 15 But that was the uh,

Speaker 15 those were the tributes to, and they played a few other clips with statistics of how many times he'd been at WrestleMania or did this or that, the other thing. But those were the main two tributes.

Speaker 15 And I think they had to do that because of what he meant to the company. It would have been,

Speaker 15 I'm not saying don't acknowledge it at all, but they could have just said, oh, golly, you know, we're sorry to hear Hulk Hogan passed away. And now here's Chelsea Green.

Speaker 15 So I think they had to do that because of the level of magnitude that he

Speaker 15 presented to, you know, to the fans of the company.

Speaker 2 You know, it's also important to note, they're still in the Hulk Hogan business, although he's passed. They're going to be working with his estate.

Speaker 2 They have new action figures figures they just announced. They already sold out the pre-order for the new LJNs.

Speaker 2 WWE heard that other companies were making LJN style figures for like 50 bucks a pop. And they said, watch this, we're going to kill you guys.
And they released everything for $25

Speaker 2 trying to destroy the independent toy market is a part of what it is, I think. But those figures sold out already.

Speaker 2 There are other lines of toys they have with Mattel, and there are plenty of Hulk Hogan figures in the pipeline, and there are plenty out there right now.

Speaker 2 They have lots of merch up there.

Speaker 2 Money going to a good charity, the Hogan family. No, money going to his family, of course.

Speaker 15 Oh, good lord. Wait a minute now.
You're going to kill their business. People say my money's going to go to the rest of the family.

Speaker 2 Well, no, I mean, his family.

Speaker 15 Maybe Brooks doing all right.

Speaker 2 Well, that's my point. Whoever's running his estate, whoever it is, they're going to more than likely be in business with WWE going forward.

Speaker 2 Just like, you know, there are people who work the estate of Marilyn Monroe and James Dean and Elvis Presley. It's going to be like that.
Michael Jackson.

Speaker 2 Think of everything Michael Jackson was accused of. And he still made, you know, a billion dollars since he died.

Speaker 2 The estate did, at least.

Speaker 2 So they're going to still be in the Hulk Hogan business. He's the biggest star in company history.
They had to do

Speaker 2 something along the lines of what they did, I think.

Speaker 2 What do you think about the second video having, and if it was in the first video, I just didn't see it.

Speaker 2 Hulk Hogan and Vince for a second there. Vince raising his hand at WrestleMania 9 at the end of the night while Brett was in the back saying, what the fuck did these guys do to me?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 do you have a problem with that, with the idea they included a picture of Vince in there, or do you think it belongs?

Speaker 15 They had to.

Speaker 15 Again, and I might have missed it. I didn't see it on Friday, or they might not have done it, or they might have second-guessed themselves after they didn't do it, or whatever.
But

Speaker 15 again, it's a bigger story if you ignore

Speaker 15 that if anybody knows who the fuck Hulk Hogan is and it meant anything to them and or the WWF slash E,

Speaker 15 they know Vince was around for a while,

Speaker 15 40 years or so, and they were synonymous with each other. It's

Speaker 15 yes, you know,

Speaker 15 in Dean Martin's obituary, they had plenty of pictures of him, but he had to have a picture of Jerry Lewis, just one.

Speaker 2 Lady. Whatever.
Yes, no, of course.

Speaker 15 Yeah, you see, you see what I'm saying, Laney.

Speaker 15 So, no, it would have been a bigger deal if they hadn't, then people would have just called attention to it.

Speaker 15 It happened in the world that existed at that time.

Speaker 15 So, sorry if we can't,

Speaker 15 if there's a picture of fucking John Wilkes Booth jumping out of the goddamn box seat at the Ford Theater, you know,

Speaker 15 we can show that too. It's a thing that happened.

Speaker 2 Anyway, I wonder where Mr. T is.
We haven't heard anything from him.

Speaker 15 Well, he better keep his head down with the way things are going because anything could happen.

Speaker 15 And Brian, you've already, what you've done here, you realize what you've done here.

Speaker 2 I've done anything. What are you talking about?

Speaker 15 I'll tell you what you've done here. You've established that sometimes it's easier to make a living by dying

Speaker 15 than it is by living. And a lot of people out there are dying to make a living.

Speaker 15 It seems like you could

Speaker 2 miss those two.

Speaker 2 What is this delivery you got going on here?

Speaker 15 Well, no,

Speaker 15 that's the thing. You ought to get these two things together.
You shouldn't have to die to make a good living, but you shouldn't be dying to make a living.

Speaker 15 You should be living living to make a real killing.

Speaker 15 It's all about making money while you're still alive to spend it and/or enjoy it. Feel it.
Put it in your pockets. Stick your hands in your pockets.
Play with the money in your pockets.

Speaker 15 You'll feel a little crazy. You go a little deeper.
You'll feel a little nuts.

Speaker 15 Another, we got to figure out a way for the people to make some money out there, Brian.

Speaker 15 You see where I'm going with this? There you go.

Speaker 2 Is that where you're going? There you go, baby. Your little bike?

Speaker 15 I'm just

Speaker 15 toodling down the neighborhood on the sidewalk on my bike. Toodling.
And I'm

Speaker 15 throwing paint bombs at all the little kids with the lemonade stands because I want to ruin their business and corner of the market

Speaker 15 in the lemonade business.

Speaker 2 What's a paint bomb?

Speaker 15 A paint bag? That's where you take paint, you put it in a fucking plastic bag, you tie it off, and you throw it at the goddamn lemonade stand and boom, and then they're out of business.

Speaker 2 Well, once again, let's just say that we don't want to encourage any other adults to go around there with paint bottles.

Speaker 2 Look at lemonade stands.

Speaker 15 If you're about the age of leave it to beaver, this is the thing you can get away with, kids. Leave it to beaver.

Speaker 15 But here's the thing: you know, you want to quarter the market on the lemonade stands, and then you want to buy lemonades that are only a day or two older than they're supposed to be from the store.

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Speaker 15 You can have one of your other kids inside online making money some kind of way.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 the lemonade market will be yours.

Speaker 15 It will be yours when you paint bomb all the other lemonade stands in the neighborhood

Speaker 15 and then you've cornered the market on those two-day-old lemons metaphor and you're and and then you're getting every kid in the neighborhood from those unemployed stands to come begging for a payoff from you and then you've got them in your network and they're selling they're trucking your lemonade all over town in their bicycles with the basket in the front ding ding

Speaker 2 listen listen

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Speaker 2 And you got products out there, the many listeners, mom and pop, Cornette listener out there. You've got your products, you need to sell them.
Whether they are lemonades,

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Tell them, Jim.

Speaker 15 Well, I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 2 All right. The philosophy of Jim Cornette.
And of course, most people know him for his wrestling knowledge, not his street knowledge.

Speaker 2 And on the topic of wrestling knowledge, Jim,

Speaker 2 let's return to the street known as WWE TV, whatever.

Speaker 2 I guess you watch both shows.

Speaker 15 Just give it to me. Just give it to me.

Speaker 15 It's a safe move every time.

Speaker 15 Because what I'm talking about to you is I raised the point a few minutes ago that SummerSlam, it doesn't seem like we're on edge waiting for this big mega event. Because after the on SmackDown,

Speaker 15 just so you know, it's not like we're going to completely ignore this stuff, but we want to explain to you why we're not going to go into a lot of detail either.

Speaker 15 After the Hogan promo on SmackDown, we got Logan Paul came out.

Speaker 15 Okay, big star. Got some heat.

Speaker 15 They don't like him. He healed on Cleveland because it's

Speaker 15 one of his hometowns and his weird life.

Speaker 15 But he's got great heel delivery. He's cooking along.
And suddenly, here comes Jellyroad.

Speaker 15 And Jellyroll came out. And boy, he's been waiting all his life to cut a heel promo.
And I've heard a lot worse,

Speaker 15 or not cut a heel promo, but cut a babyface promo,

Speaker 15 cut a wrestling promo. And I've heard a lot worse, but he, I think he has been saving all this up for, you know, a while.
He got it all out,

Speaker 15 but it's jelly roll.

Speaker 15 And he's, here's Logan Paul, who's been knocking out all these top superstars. And

Speaker 15 so Roll told him off.

Speaker 15 But then here come Drew McIntyre, because Drew

Speaker 15 was yet to leave the country where he

Speaker 15 apparently has been not allowed to return. We may talk about that later on.

Speaker 15 And now it's Drew and it's Logan Paul against old Jellyroll.

Speaker 15 And Jellyroll does the old babyface thing where he says, you don't think I came alone, do you?

Speaker 15 And he starts singing Orton's song. I hear voices in my head.
Thank you. See, I sound just like that.

Speaker 15 And here comes Orton

Speaker 15 for the big, the big reveal. He was standing on the stage 10 minutes beforehand.

Speaker 15 Everybody in the building knew he was there.

Speaker 2 Maybe he had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 15 Well, he almost

Speaker 15 took a piss and left Jelly Roll to get fucking slaughtered. But instead,

Speaker 15 they have a big fight.

Speaker 15 They stopped Roll for a minute so Logan Paul could beat him up, but Orton got Drew out of the way.

Speaker 15 And Jelly Roll finished up by giving Logan Paul a bubba slam in the middle of the ring.

Speaker 15 And that was the highlight of the rest of the show, Brian.

Speaker 15 I don't know, you have comments on Roll's technique before we go any further?

Speaker 2 I thought you would have commented on the head palm shootoff. That was the first thing I noticed.
And oh, Jim's going to go crazy when he sees it.

Speaker 15 Oh, well,

Speaker 15 I was trying to get through with it, but said I wasn't really going to critique it like he's actually doing this for real.

Speaker 15 But yes, the head palm shoot off, followed by Erdo, that were prefaced by some weak-looking

Speaker 15 strikes.

Speaker 2 See, that's the thing. We started seeing people on social media, like, look, he can work.
Look, he really has put in the work at the training facility. He really can do it.

Speaker 2 And I thought, like, it wasn't the worst thing ever, but it was a guy very conscious that he doesn't want to fuck up.

Speaker 2 It didn't look natural. And

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 15 Yeah, well,

Speaker 15 and I don't know why that the guys are encouraging him to just put your hand on the back of my head and I will fling myself into the ropes for you.

Speaker 15 Can't they just say, here's the way you shoot me off? I mean, I don't.

Speaker 15 But that's, you know, so that's where it's, it's got to, folks, in the

Speaker 15 commercialization of the modern world. And yes, I've

Speaker 15 seen

Speaker 15 DJs in matches and celebrities and matches and

Speaker 15 guys from other sports and matches and all kinds of different things. And

Speaker 15 some of it took place exactly where it belonged, which was in small venues on a localized fucking level.

Speaker 15 But this, as they say, is going to be out in front of God and everybody at SummerSlam.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 when I was a kid, I had a basketball goal in the driveway, and I liked to occasionally shoot a basket. Brian, did you know that about me?

Speaker 2 I did not know.

Speaker 15 And I had an ABA ball, the red, white, and blue ball, which is still to me the only basketball.

Speaker 2 That looks so cool. Yeah.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 while I was,

Speaker 15 when were the Kentucky Colonels still in existence? What was their last season? 72. When I was 10 years old and I was out with my ABA ball

Speaker 15 shooting at my basket, I thought, well, that would be cool.

Speaker 15 But here's the thing: I was a

Speaker 15 dumpy, vertically challenged, for the most part, average-height white kid that couldn't play basketball.

Speaker 15 So I didn't pursue it.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I don't know even if

Speaker 15 somebody said to me, if I became a multi-millionaire, famous person, could buy it or get it done for publicity or whatever,

Speaker 15 hey, you ought to play a game with the Kentucky Colonels, even if I was young enough where I could run up and down to court without having a heart attack.

Speaker 15 I don't know if I'd want to put myself in that position.

Speaker 15 Wouldn't that be disrespectful on some level and otherwise opening myself up for a lot of people to say what the is that fat white doing on the court you never know or the opposite happens and you're the next larry bird

Speaker 15 i have a feeling there'd be a lot of birds but i'd probably be on the receiving end of it magic versus corny

Speaker 2 who knows how things would have worked out you think you would have played well for Bobby Knight?

Speaker 15 Well, I think we would have probably gotten along. I think Indiana, well, well, I think because he, you know, they're in Indiana, maybe he had learned something from Professor Roy Shire

Speaker 15 about his talent relations. Because he reminded, when I watched the documentary not long ago, he reminded me of Watts.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, this has been the Jelly Roll Logan-Paul

Speaker 2 confrontation.

Speaker 15 The Jelly Roll Logan-Paul mashup. All right.
And for the rest of the damn program,

Speaker 15 30 minutes in, now we got a girls match between Alexa Bliss and Roxanne Perez,

Speaker 15 which led into

Speaker 15 Jade Cargill versus Chelsea Green.

Speaker 15 So at nine o'clock, we'd had two tribute videos to Hogan, two girls matches, and a fight with Jelly Roll.

Speaker 15 Cody Rhodes did a promo, Cody, Cody Rhodes, Cody, Cody Rhodes,

Speaker 15 Cody Rhodes. I love that song.

Speaker 15 And he did a great babyface promo, and he had fire and delivery. And the fans sang his name.
And he wants the real John Cena at SummerSlam,

Speaker 15 not this guy that's ready to leave, and et cetera, et cetera. He wants him at his best.
Here's another guy who wants him at his best.

Speaker 15 I want the fucking guy I'm going to fight to crawl in like a goddamn paraplegic.

Speaker 15 But even it's a good promo, but it's a two-hour show to watch Cody do a good promo. The thing is, Brian, I had an epiphany when I was watching these shows.

Speaker 15 Remember the wrestling that we that was easy to watch, that was one hour a week. And

Speaker 15 not only for the fans, it was easy to digest, but for the boys.

Speaker 15 We knew we had two to three minutes on a fucking promo to get over and make a fucking point, sell some tickets.

Speaker 15 And even if we had a goddamn main event match, you got eight to 10 minutes maybe with entrances to get out there and have this match and get the thing done.

Speaker 15 And it was faster paced. It was more a sense of urgency.
It was goddamn more exciting to watch. Am I crazy? Or is this what has happened? And now that they know

Speaker 15 We got 15 minutes for every promo and we got to go 20 with entrances and commercial breaks in the match. So

Speaker 15 what the fuck? Slow it down. Milk everything.
AEW won't slow down. WWE won't speed up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you need something in between.

Speaker 2 If only there was a billionaire out there.

Speaker 15 There's plenty of them now.

Speaker 15 There's unfortunately, they're too busy trying to take over the world. Well, what am I saying? Trying, trying to keep control of the world.

Speaker 15 But nevertheless, Miz was competitive with Jacob Fatu for a while before he got beat.

Speaker 15 And then Taller Tonga came in with the rest of the bunch and they just beat the shit out of Jacob. And

Speaker 15 I mean, they put

Speaker 15 Taller hit him with the clothesline while Solo was sitting there with the chair over his head. They had to go over and take the chair off Solo's head that Jacob had put there.

Speaker 15 But they clotheslined him and chokeslammed him and spiked him.

Speaker 15 And truthfully and honestly, none of that was really as good as it sounds.

Speaker 15 Because

Speaker 15 I'm thinking this is the new solo bloodline group of Tongas, whatever the fuck,

Speaker 15 is sort of like they've just done that because they used to have the Samoan group that was over.

Speaker 15 And now it's kind of guys.

Speaker 15 I think Jacob would stand out more

Speaker 15 if he wasn't dealing with them.

Speaker 15 Am I crazy?

Speaker 2 No, he should be interacting with the other main eventers like Gunther, CM Punk, Braun Breaker, and like that crowd, but he's just tied in with all this, and this is all he's really done since he's been there.

Speaker 2 Same thing for Solo. Everything with Solo has been around this universe.
Is it like late era NWO? I don't know. But the crowd reaction here was quite telling.

Speaker 2 They weren't really reacting at all to the beatdown.

Speaker 2 And when Jacob Fatu started making his comeback, it took a few

Speaker 2 rounds for the fans to get into it. It took his

Speaker 2 shake or whatever you call that, he does.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if the fans are really into it. They're into him.

Speaker 2 But you got to get him away from all of this sooner rather than later.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And Talatonga, I guess he's almost seven feet tall.

Speaker 2 I don't know. It's like he's not really that imposing.

Speaker 15 I'm telling you, his head is way too small.

Speaker 15 He needs a bigger head. He does not have a giant's head.
He's got a normal little peanut head up there on that fucking big tall body.

Speaker 2 Do you think Giant Silva could have?

Speaker 15 Looks like a little softball.

Speaker 2 Do you think Giant Silva could have gone further?

Speaker 15 You know, actually, everybody's going to say, oh, he's crazy. He could have.

Speaker 15 If we'd have found him about 15 years beforehand,

Speaker 15 because he,

Speaker 15 I can't remember exactly what his age was, but he was older.

Speaker 15 He had to be 40 at least when we first got him.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 he started being able to do some things where you could tell that if you had

Speaker 15 a few years to hide him in a couple of small territories, back and forth, whatever the fuck, you could have got something out of him if he was younger. But as it was,

Speaker 15 that was about what was going to happen. Well,

Speaker 15 the whole his presentation and the whole oddities thing

Speaker 15 didn't help anything. You could have stolen a couple of shows out of him before anybody even figured it out, but not the way that they presented him.

Speaker 2 Again, I never thought about it before. I didn't know too much about his background in Brazil.
He was born July 21st, 1963, 62 years old now.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, he was already in his 30s.

Speaker 15 There you go.

Speaker 15 Okay, 62 to 1990. What was that? Seven.
Yeah, he was 35 years old. And I mean, and that size.

Speaker 15 So it wasn't like he was

Speaker 15 diamond Dallas Page, you know, motivated middle-aged type of thing.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 old Taller needs a bigger head, I'm just telling you. And then the main event on SmackDown was Andre and Ray Phoenix against the Wyatts.
And I tuned out.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 with Raw,

Speaker 15 I got to be honest with you. I cheated and read the recap because of the Netflix, the streaming business.
I hate it.

Speaker 15 And besides, for the Hogan tribute,

Speaker 15 and I understand Jey Uso and Heyman had a lovely interview session. I'm sure it was very good with Heyman.
He's a master.

Speaker 15 And I understand that Gunther and Punk had a

Speaker 15 nice long segment where they spoke to each other, and they're two of the best promos in the business.

Speaker 15 But I didn't feel the need, and again, with you can't fast-forward through the commercials for some length of time after the fact, apparently, on Netflix.

Speaker 15 And I got stuck after the Hogan tribute on three minutes of baby wipe commercials or whatever.

Speaker 15 So I didn't feel the need for those two segments to try to wade through

Speaker 15 Seamus versus Grayson Waller,

Speaker 15 Wild and Cruise against JD and Finn, a girls eight-man tag,

Speaker 15 a six-person tag with girls and guys.

Speaker 15 And that was what the middle of the show was for almost three hours. And so I concentrated on

Speaker 15 the main event, Jey Uso and Bronson Reed,

Speaker 15 because that's where they finally gave you a reason to watch the show. Was I crazy, Brian?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 15 Well, thank you. I would appreciate it a more full-throated thing.
How in the world, Jim, could you possibly think that you might be mentally impaired?

Speaker 2 How can you review it if you don't watch it? How could you say you'd get rid of them from your roster if you don't watch? You hate the girls.

Speaker 15 I can't review it because if I don't watch it, that's why I'm not reviewing it because I didn't watch it.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 Jey Uso and Bronson Reed, they took a step forward in something that we've been obviously calling for for some time and also predicting they were going to do from the way that things were looking.

Speaker 15 They're elevating

Speaker 15 Heyman's young guys

Speaker 15 in Seth Rollins's absence, Bronson Reed and Braun Breaker. They're elevating both of them, but they're elevating Braun

Speaker 15 as the guy, and they're elevating Reed as the main henchman, just with subtle positioning, but that's exactly what they should be doing.

Speaker 15 You don't want to get both these guys over for the exact same position in the same way, because then you don't get either. But clearly, Breaker is the star of the thing.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 they had a nice match. As I said, there was an element of

Speaker 15 The thing is, they got to fill a lot of time on this show, so nobody's in a hurry.

Speaker 15 And then they got to get out of the match. Jay makes a comeback, hits a dive on Reed on the floor, and Bronson Reed or Bronson Reed, Braun Breaker, comes down the aisle and hits him with a spear.

Speaker 15 Disqualification.

Speaker 15 Boom. Because it's the angle.
That's what they're concentrating on. And

Speaker 15 they started, and it didn't start promising when they got a little weak heat on

Speaker 15 Uso, but then Roman's music hits and Roman.

Speaker 15 Here's the thing.

Speaker 15 If they're going to play music for a guy to come out, he can't walk out if his fucking

Speaker 15 what's Jay relation, his cousin, whatever is

Speaker 15 he's down. Now the heels are supposed to just stop and stand there slackjawed.
Well, Braun Breaker said, fuck that. I'm still kicking this fucking guy.

Speaker 15 And Roman Reigns is just walking.

Speaker 15 This is what I'm saying. All these angles need to be treated with more urgency.

Speaker 15 But nevertheless, Roman makes comeback, clears the ring, helps Jay up.

Speaker 15 They nail the heels off the apron. They go to run around the ring to double spear the heels, and they get speared instead.

Speaker 15 And then they just destroyed the baby faces. Braun speared Uso and Reed splashed him.
And then Braun clotheslined Roman over the desk and tossed him back in the ring.

Speaker 15 And they splashed Roman and Braun trash-talked him.

Speaker 15 And then

Speaker 15 as they had kicked him out of the ring, Braun ran around and speared both of the babyfaces through the barricade at the same time.

Speaker 2 How about that? That's a hell of a story.

Speaker 15 Yes.

Speaker 15 And one of those guys is Roman Reigns, who was a pretty big fucking deal.

Speaker 15 And then Reed stole Roman's tennis shoes, which was a nice touch. And, you know,

Speaker 15 but the point is they need to elevate the young guys and they're doing that. And these are the right guys to do it.
And Heyman being with them gives them more credibility.

Speaker 15 The only

Speaker 15 thing I didn't like about this, because they're doing exactly what they should, but it's so.

Speaker 15 It's so modern wrestling that nobody's trying to stop them.

Speaker 15 And And there's no sense of urgency. They do the thing they're going to do back and forth, and then the heels just take their time.

Speaker 15 It's not like they're getting away with a crime or they're, you know, do you see what I'm saying? It's so sports entertainment. It distracts me that

Speaker 15 they want their fans to accept it as, you know, it's always been this way, which I guess now they do. It's been so long.

Speaker 15 But, goddamn,

Speaker 15 somebody would be trying to help these people.

Speaker 15 And there's ways around that where you can still do all this shit. We all always did.

Speaker 15 They just must think it's a distraction when to me, it's a distraction that tells me, well, nobody gives a shit or this is supposed to happen.

Speaker 15 Am I just the odd duck, Brian?

Speaker 2 I don't know. You may be the odd duck in terms of it not happening, but these are all things that should be considered and probably should be applied.

Speaker 2 Or you can have the other attitude with, it's wrestling. You know, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't, who cares? We just move on.

Speaker 2 What do you think? I mean, the way they built up Braun here specifically. Braun,

Speaker 2 yeah, Braun.

Speaker 2 The other one's Bronson. I'm sorry.
I got a little confused for a second in my own head here.

Speaker 15 Well, and that's a thing they might need to address.

Speaker 2 The way they're building him up, the way they built him up here,

Speaker 2 you know, to any argument that Seth Rollins isn't as badly hurt and he'll cash in soon,

Speaker 2 it would almost negate some of this stuff because I feel like they've really done a good job of finally getting him away from the pack a little bit, even though he's in the pack.

Speaker 15 Well, yeah,

Speaker 15 again, that's the thing is we'll find out at SummerSlam.

Speaker 15 But I don't believe that Seth Rollins is going to be showing up, turning any cartwheels and doing any cash-ins or anything.

Speaker 15 And, you know,

Speaker 15 cheerio if they fool me

Speaker 15 but it just it

Speaker 15 seems like a an odd thing at this point

Speaker 2 that would just stick out somehow okay do you think braun breaker will cash in

Speaker 15 no i don't think they're going to do that yet i don't know that they

Speaker 15 by that i mean have a paul

Speaker 15 here it yeah paul giving braun breaker the case i don't think they'll do it yet

Speaker 15 but I think there's more chance of that happening than there is of Seth showing up and doing it. How about that? How about them apples?

Speaker 2 I'm not disagreeing with you.

Speaker 15 Well, we both got apples, and we don't have to worry about those pesky kids with their lemonade stand. We can sell apples on the street corner.

Speaker 2 Let's get away from this analogy, whatever.

Speaker 2 You and this stand that you want to have out there for the kids.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 it's a stand-like structure.

Speaker 15 I had one when I was nine,

Speaker 15 but it's a long way down there to the road, and traffic was nothing like what it is now back then. So

Speaker 15 me and the little girl that lived next door, we made 25 cents and called it a day after about four hours.

Speaker 2 All right. Well, it's time to take a stand, and that is to say that was raw.
Yeah. And Jim, on the topic of WWE.

Speaker 2 And they've got a lot of lemonade stands set up for this weekend, SummerSlam.

Speaker 2 Two nights, August 2nd and August 3rd, at MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, New Jersey. Beautiful tropical East Rutherford will be hosting.

Speaker 15 I've been told that that was named after Rutherford B. Hayes.
Is that correct? Who told you that?

Speaker 15 Well, when I was up there last, somebody said, oh, it was named after Rutherford B. Hayes, the 12th president, wasn't he? Or wasn't he the...
19th? I forget.

Speaker 2 It may be. I actually don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 You know who Edison, New Jersey is named after?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I certainly do.

Speaker 15 Edison McKenzie. He was that Irish guy that pioneered the thing back in the 1600s.

Speaker 2 Well, Jim, let's go to this lineup.

Speaker 2 This is from what's on Wikipedia. Oh, boy.
These are the matches.

Speaker 2 Night one, August 2nd.

Speaker 2 Sammy Zane versus Carrion Cross with Scarlet.

Speaker 15 Oh, geez.

Speaker 15 Zane can make almost anything watchable in the ring. I know a bunch of people have been saying, oh, but now Cross is great because he's cutting the promos again.

Speaker 15 You know what? But we've got to watch. You know why, Brian.
Remember, we got to put the bump meter.

Speaker 15 Put the clicker on the bumps.

Speaker 2 If we're doing that, I feel like based on the fact you did it previously and you are an expert, you should predict right now how many bumps will take.

Speaker 15 Well, what was it? Last time the total was eight, but we worked it out to where about five of them were of the Ox Baker variety, where he went down, but

Speaker 15 there was no chance of potentially anything going awry. So let's say he's good.
It's SummerSlam. He's got something to prove.
He's going to take five solid bumps. Five solid bumps in the match.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go with nine.

Speaker 2 It's SummerSlam, like you said. And I think we'll debate what's a solid bump and what isn't, but I'm going to say nine bumps.
Let's see what happens.

Speaker 2 Jim,

Speaker 2 in a tag team match for the WWE Women's Tag Team Championship, the Judgment Day, Raquel Rodriguez and Roxanne Perez, the champions,

Speaker 2 versus a team I don't think you've really seen, but they've actually really gotten over big with the fans.

Speaker 2 Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair.

Speaker 15 Well, son of a gun, old Charlotte's back in town. This has been the past couple of weeks when I've had my attention diverted, right? Is that now they like Charlotte again, suddenly?

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 who are the favorites here? Are they going to put

Speaker 15 the Bliss Flair connection over, or are they going to be

Speaker 15 turned away by the heels?

Speaker 2 You're asking me?

Speaker 15 Well, I'm saying, is there any smart smart money on this?

Speaker 15 What's the over and under? What's the vector, Victor?

Speaker 2 Well, let me ask it this way. If Liv Morgan's going to be out for a considerable bit of time more, and again, she separated her shoulder,

Speaker 2 do you want to keep the belts on them because of the story that is there? Or are they not even needed for the idea that Roxanna has just replaced Liv?

Speaker 2 And Liv would be mad about that. And she's trying to steal his boyfriend and everything.

Speaker 15 That's a very interesting question. And I think that I would answer that if I gave a shit.

Speaker 15 But right now,

Speaker 15 I really don't give two

Speaker 15 flying French fried titty fucks what they do with the women's tag team title there. But

Speaker 15 Charlotte and Alexa,

Speaker 15 that's the long and the short of it. I'll take them.

Speaker 2 Jimmy Tag Team Bout, Roman Reigns and Jay Uso

Speaker 2 versus Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed with Paul Paul Heyman.

Speaker 15 Well, the Heels need to win because

Speaker 15 this is the

Speaker 15 elevation process of these two young guys for the future that are going to be on the top level.

Speaker 15 And the cheap way to do it would be beat Jay, but I think since Heyman's involved, they'll figure out some way.

Speaker 15 for Breaker to beat Roman.

Speaker 15 Because that's what I'd do if I were me. And

Speaker 15 Heyman's almost as smart as me, so he'd probably do it too if he were him because he's Heyman.

Speaker 2 Well, Jim, our next contest for the WWE Women's Championship: the champion Tiffany Stratton versus Jade Cargill.

Speaker 2 I'm intrigued to see what this will be.

Speaker 15 Yeah,

Speaker 15 there you go, because

Speaker 15 Tiffy

Speaker 15 has been very popular,

Speaker 15 Even, you know,

Speaker 15 she's one of the people where her gimmick was supposed to be heelish and annoying in nature, and it was so endearingly so apparently to some segment of the population that they started liking her.

Speaker 15 But point being,

Speaker 15 Jade don't do a lot of jobs,

Speaker 15 but Jade is also not that experienced, and neither is Tiffy when it comes down to it.

Speaker 15 So, what you're saying, Brian, is that you are interested in this because this could, this needs to be fairly brief. I'm not talking three minutes or whatever.
They're not going to go 20.

Speaker 15 And it needs to be

Speaker 15 heavily discussed beforehand. And there is a potential that at some point something could go sideways, is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 What I'm saying is, I think Tiffany Stratton's really good.

Speaker 2 And I think Jade needs

Speaker 2 the right person to be in the right spot.

Speaker 2 Jade needs to be like presented almost like the ultimate warrior or something. Like, it just, if she's not, she gets exposed.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I don't know. Maybe they'll surprise us.
But I'm sure. Well, and that's the thing.

Speaker 15 And I'm not saying that Tiffy isn't, you know,

Speaker 15 any good, but at her level of experience or anybody's level of experience, just about, you not only have to be good for you, but you have to be good sometimes for the other person. And that's where

Speaker 15 they got to watch out for putting Jade with anybody. But we shall see Now, who's going to win this thing?

Speaker 15 Will they put Jade over Tiffy?

Speaker 15 Can that happen, Brian? I'll be upset. How can you treat Tiffy this way?

Speaker 2 It only works if Tiffy gets screwed over by someone else.

Speaker 2 And Jade losing could work if Jade gets screwed over by someone else. I don't know.

Speaker 15 Well, who's going to screw these girls?

Speaker 15 That's the question I'm asking. Who is going to screw either one of these girls?

Speaker 2 I don't know. Nia Jax is not on the card.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I'm not going to answer who's going to screw anyone.

Speaker 15 Well, somebody's going to need to screw somebody.

Speaker 2 Listen, let's screw one of these girls. Jim, the continuation of our preview of night one of SummerSlam.

Speaker 2 Randy Orton

Speaker 2 and Jellyroll

Speaker 2 versus Drew McIntyre, maybe

Speaker 2 and Logan Paul.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 do we need to first discuss where in the world is Drew McIntyre? We need to have a plan A and a plan B. First, we have to let people in on where he is and what might be happening with him, do we not?

Speaker 2 It was certainly going to be a topic here on the show. I didn't know if we were going to do it right now or later.
No,

Speaker 15 we can't put the horse before Drew, can we?

Speaker 2 Well, we can. I think that's exactly what's happening right now.
But let's get back to Drew and you could explain how he got drawn into this situation.

Speaker 15 Well, no, he's not drawn into anything now.

Speaker 15 He's actually in it.

Speaker 2 Explain what he's done.

Speaker 15 Apparently, Drew McIntyre, after SmackDown, I presume,

Speaker 15 left the country to go to the UK for a friend of his's wedding and then tried to come back.

Speaker 15 And they wouldn't let him on the fucking plane because

Speaker 15 the description, and he's doing promos about it, like said, ah, Jelly Rolls using his pull, trying to block me out of the country or whatever. See, I sound just like Drew.

Speaker 15 But apparently he had his UK passport, but he didn't have, they wanted his U.S. passport.
And he even said the guy that wouldn't let him on the plane knew who he was and still said, no, how,

Speaker 15 Brian.

Speaker 15 If you know, how does that work? Yes, he's got to have a UK passport

Speaker 15 because he's, I guess, still a UK citizen, right? But he's been working in this country for so long with obviously all the documentation and all the paperwork.

Speaker 15 And he's on national goddamn television once or twice a week. So it's not a secret he's here.

Speaker 15 It's not been a wrestling promoter thing where they're trying to get out of paying some kind of fucking tax or doing paperwork, whatever.

Speaker 15 So why would they not let him on the fucking plane?

Speaker 2 I really don't know.

Speaker 2 It is an interesting thing, you know, the jelly roll excuse he gave, it would all work a lot better if Drew was a babyface and you could say the dastardly heel was trying to keep me away from him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 2 as opposed to the heel saying, Yeah, that babyface you all like, he's the reason I can't get into the country.

Speaker 15 That really doesn't that country music guy that used to be a fucking inmate has big connections with the, but nevertheless,

Speaker 15 well, he met a lot of people in law enforcement, from what I understand.

Speaker 15 Uh, but Drew McIntyre has been doing this, traveling internationally at a high level for a long time. So it's not like that he doesn't know how this works, or he's just some tourist.
And

Speaker 15 he had said that he never had any problem with this before. But is the

Speaker 15 have they changed some regulation or whatever or what the fuck? But apparently the WWE office

Speaker 15 is having to work on.

Speaker 15 But then again, if he didn't have the right passport, okay, in one day, you can fucking overnight a goddamn, maybe two days for whatever part of the UK is in.

Speaker 2 So you're paying enough to get it there overnight. Absolutely.

Speaker 15 Yeah. Okay.
There's there's got to be some other fucking issue going on, or maybe he's exaggerating for the sake of,

Speaker 15 but he was denied, denied entry, denied boarding or whatever to come back to the United States. Like he could potentially be

Speaker 15 some terrorist masquerading as somebody.

Speaker 2 You know, considering how many international wrestlers there are right now, and now there's a deal with AAA,

Speaker 2 so we're going to have more wrestlers coming from Mexico. There are so many wrestlers from Australia, the UK, all over Europe, Gunther.

Speaker 2 That'd be an interesting gimmick for a heel, like the guy who steals everyone's passports.

Speaker 2 guys wrestle the only thing he's going for is their passport so they're stranded

Speaker 15 i like it uh hey and

Speaker 15 but that's the thing is without a

Speaker 15 without showing proof that you have a contract with some

Speaker 15 company that's doing business legitimately in the united states you can't get a permit to work as a wrestler in the United States. So

Speaker 15 the vast majority of those guys on Indies years ago that were coming back and forth were just driving across or flying through and say, oh, yeah, I'm going to fucking Lollapalooza or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 15 And that's, remember one time we,

Speaker 15 Davey Richards, we had to fucking call him from the Ring of Honor office, say, dumb shit, take down your goddamn Twitter or whatever it was then, his post on social media.

Speaker 15 He was trying to put Kyle O'Reilly over as what a dedicated, hard worker he was.

Speaker 15 And one of the comments was: he's come back and forth illegally into the country over and over again to pursue his craft.

Speaker 15 He didn't have any papers then, right at that second.

Speaker 15 Delirious is on the phone with him. Dumb shit, take that down.

Speaker 15 Anyway, back to to what's Drew doing at SummerSlam, maybe?

Speaker 2 Well, once again, going back to this, Drew McIntyre at SummerSlam teaming up with Logan Paul, maybe against Jellyroll and Randy Orton.

Speaker 15 Teaming up with Logan Paul, maybe. Call me baby.

Speaker 15 I mean, I hate to say it, but

Speaker 15 if they've gone this far, Jelly Roll is going to get the fucking pin over somebody

Speaker 15 unless just he

Speaker 15 refuses and is allowed to just in some type of potentially inoffensive way save the day for randy so he can hit an rko and then jelly can get on top or whatever or something but i i don't think they're going for a riot here on a heel fuck on the finish do you

Speaker 2 and it's going to be logan paul because he's the kind of heel that can take it Do you think he's going to use some of the traditional big man, fat man, kind of like hold the guy in the corner with his belly or a splash.

Speaker 15 I don't know. I'm waiting to see if they do him like the Maguire twins and take the bottom rope off so he can roll into the ring underneath the rope.

Speaker 2 Should he do a belly bump? If you have a guy that big, do you want him doing that spot? Does it make sense?

Speaker 15 You've almost got to. Well, now, see, that's the thing is he's not as big as he used to be.

Speaker 15 And so that they should have caught him when he weighed 500.

Speaker 15 Because then he could have just studied Big Daddy's greatest hits and

Speaker 15 done that. But now he's only, what, 325 or whatever he may be.
Well, fuck, that's neither here nor there. Drew can slam him if he wants to.
Well, so could Logan Paul.

Speaker 15 So he should have started a couple weeks ago eating cheeseburgers and milkshakes. Get back up to at least four

Speaker 15 for heaven's sake.

Speaker 2 Well, let's get back to we're almost done. You have a prediction?

Speaker 15 He could have his lower belly removed later on surgically.

Speaker 2 We still haven't gotten past night one. Finally, Jim, the main event of night one or SummerSlam

Speaker 2 for the World's Heavyweight Championship, the champion Gunther

Speaker 2 versus CM Punk.

Speaker 15 I'm looking forward to the match. I bet you it's good.
It's not only it's going to be logical and sensible

Speaker 15 and lyrical, sort of like Supertramp, but also

Speaker 15 uh those two guys are creative and they know what they're doing. So it's going to be a great match.
As to calling the finish,

Speaker 15 I don't see Gunther losing,

Speaker 15 but Punk, you know, should have some type of legitimate

Speaker 15 out, bitch, gripe, whatever the kids are calling it these days, where you can point to, if that hadn't happened, Smithers,

Speaker 15 but I think Gunther will retain.

Speaker 2 Well, there it is, night one of SummerSlam 2025. We'll get to night two in a second.
You know, Jim, we probably didn't expect night one to go as long as it did.

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Speaker 2 But we can't do that. We have to keep going.
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Speaker 2 Jim, let's get back to the preview of SummerSlam. We have night two, August 3rd, coming up.
The big Sunday night, SummerSlam.

Speaker 2 Here is the lineup.

Speaker 2 In a six-pack tables, ladders, and chairs match.

Speaker 15 Oh, Christ on a cracker.

Speaker 2 For the WWE Tag Team Championship.

Speaker 2 The Wyatt Six of Dexter Loomis and Joe Gacy

Speaker 2 versus Andrade and Ray Phoenix

Speaker 2 versus DIY of Johnny Gargano and Tommaso Ciampa

Speaker 2 versus Fraxium of Axiom and Nathan Frazier

Speaker 2 versus Motor City Machine Guns.

Speaker 15 Oh, for God's sake.

Speaker 2 Alex Shelley and Chris Sabin versus the street prophets Angelo Dawkins and Montez Ford.

Speaker 15 You know what that tells me, Brian?

Speaker 15 That tells me that I can save 30 minutes right off the top of the bat. Oh, come on.
SummerSlam night two. Oh, first.

Speaker 2 There's only six matches. There's only six matches.
You got to watch this. You have to.

Speaker 15 There's six teams in the one match.

Speaker 2 This is a big night for them. Everyone.

Speaker 2 There's only six matches.

Speaker 15 He's only going to part the Red Sea six times.

Speaker 15 For heaven's sake, no, no, no. Ladders, tables, chairs, 12 guys, six teams, no DQ.

Speaker 15 Lazy booking. I think not.

Speaker 2 Well, we'll see how you feel the day of. Maybe you'll get into the spirit of it.

Speaker 2 For the WWE.

Speaker 2 I have a feeling

Speaker 15 I'll turn to Buddhism before I'll get in that spirit.

Speaker 2 For the WWE Intercontinental Championship, the champion Dominic Mysterio versus AJ Styles.

Speaker 15 This one should be a fun match, as the kids say. A fun match.
They're both good workers. Dom has heat.
AJ's a babyface. He will know how to foil him.

Speaker 15 And at the same time, he'll sell his ass off for him.

Speaker 15 And I think

Speaker 15 Dominic has to come out on top in some nefarious fashion, but I believe that he will probably emerge victorious.

Speaker 2 Jim, in a no-disqualification,

Speaker 2 no count out,

Speaker 2 last chance match for the WWE Women's Intercontinental Championship. Oh, good lord.
The champion, Becky Lynch,

Speaker 2 versus Lyra Valkyria.

Speaker 2 If Lynch wins, Valkyrie can no longer challenge for the Intercontinental title as long as Lynch is champion.

Speaker 15 I was about to say, how about as long as any of us are still alive?

Speaker 15 Becky Lynch has to win that because at some point sanity has to prevail. And

Speaker 15 young Lyric may be a fine girl and a friend of Becky's, but

Speaker 15 there's no charisma. There's no personality.
There's no, I don't know what, how else to say it. And

Speaker 15 on a big show like that, Becky Lynch, the bigger star, needs to win. And hopefully we will.

Speaker 15 I'll not be watching this match. I've saved an hour.

Speaker 2 See, you can't do that. Now you've seen two matches.
There's only six matches. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Good. That'll give me more time to digest the ones that actually mean a fuck.

Speaker 2 Do you think Lyra will have special wings, like big wings for the pay-per-view, for SummerSlam, outdoors?

Speaker 15 The only way I would like her right now is if she had chicken wings.

Speaker 2 Jim in a stage.

Speaker 15 If she had chicken wings and plenty of ranch, I'd like her. Otherwise, no.

Speaker 2 Jim in a steel cage match for the United States Championship, the champion Solo Sokoa versus Jacob Fatu.

Speaker 15 And this has got to be Jacob, does it not? And

Speaker 15 I wish I was more

Speaker 15 amped for it because it's Jacob Fatu, but we've talked about

Speaker 15 the matches with him and these other guys. It's family, it's similar styles, it's similar weakness.

Speaker 15 They've all got some of the same weak points also, which become more glaring when they're both doing them.

Speaker 15 It's like,

Speaker 15 is this kind of like Flair and Buddy Landell, Battle of the Nature Boys?

Speaker 15 No, that drew money.

Speaker 15 I'm not looking forward to the match. I don't think they're a good matchup.
I think they ought to have different opponents

Speaker 15 for each other instead of each other other because

Speaker 15 a lot of punch kick headbutt and head-palm shoot-off, open-hand punch. They don't play to their strengths.
They do the same shit.

Speaker 15 I'm droning now.

Speaker 2 Jim in a triple threat match for the Women's World Championship. The champion Naomi

Speaker 2 versus EO Sky

Speaker 2 versus Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 15 This I'll watch,

Speaker 15 not only because Rhea's in it, but because it's an actual main event. Naomi has been

Speaker 15 a lot more interesting as a heel than she was beforehand, which was meh.

Speaker 15 And EO Sky's in the middle of something else I'd like to see two young women settle amongst themselves.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 it's probably going to look like the

Speaker 15 you know, exchange student or, you know, delinquent child that they've adopted from the reform school.

Speaker 15 Rhea Ripley has to win, does she not?

Speaker 2 Or potentially,

Speaker 2 you know, Naomi's just got the belt.

Speaker 15 Well, that's true.

Speaker 15 They need to give Rhea something big soon, but it's too quick to take the belt off Naomi. But again,

Speaker 15 you know, at least somebody will beat E.O.

Speaker 2 You know what that means. It means EO's going to win.
Finally, Jim, a street fight for the undisputed WWE Championship. The champion John Cena

Speaker 2 versus Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 15 All right, Brian.

Speaker 15 There is

Speaker 15 September, October, November. They're four months left in the year

Speaker 15 for them to do something else with John Cena than have him just retire as

Speaker 15 a heel.

Speaker 15 And we thought that that would probably

Speaker 15 be what they'd do: he'd run for most of the year and he'd switch back at the end. But then he said a lot of things could

Speaker 15 it would be hard to say, ah, I was just pulling your fucking leg.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 it's, is it kind of got old already that he's the heel with the belt? Cody needs the dagum thing back from Cena.

Speaker 15 And, or elsewhere, I think it damages Cody after Cena's gone.

Speaker 15 So, figuring that they're either going to do it here or would they do a rematch after a street fight? Do they think they have

Speaker 15 some finish that can draw people back to

Speaker 15 see an even more severe stipulation? But Cody's got to be the one that beats Cena for this thing, or they've just shot everybody in the foot. Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know how helpful this year has been to Cody. It feels like he's the coldest he's been since he got in there.

Speaker 2 There have been issues with the Cena heel turn, the title run.

Speaker 2 When's hell in a sell?

Speaker 15 Well, I guess whenever they want it to be.

Speaker 2 There's no set like month. It's not like a September thing or anything.
It's just whenever they want it to be.

Speaker 15 I'm sure that, you know, somebody out there who

Speaker 15 you know pays more attention than I do could might tell you, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 Then you would have four months or so with Cena without the belt. What's he doing? Is he chasing for the belt or he just turns back babyface? And how does that help anything if that happens?

Speaker 2 It kind of makes it Bobby Ewing, you know?

Speaker 15 Well, but is there

Speaker 15 some fashion in which somebody

Speaker 2 where's the rock?

Speaker 15 Well, good lord, I'm not sure we need to go through that whole thing again

Speaker 15 but is there is there somebody that could potentially try to

Speaker 15 and again poor seth rollins but

Speaker 15 can try to to

Speaker 15 interject themselves in this thing and

Speaker 15 in some way switch scene of babyface to assist cody

Speaker 15 but

Speaker 15 I don't know

Speaker 15 I don't know what they're going to do past they're making a drastic mistake.

Speaker 15 I'm not saying they have to do it at SummerSlam, but if Cody's not the one that beats Cena for the belt,

Speaker 15 then they've made a mistake.

Speaker 2 Well, that is SummerSlam night two.

Speaker 2 A big two-night extravaganza. SummerSlam 89 was at the Meadowlands in East Rutherford.
This will be a lot longer, a lot bigger, and

Speaker 2 so much more than that.

Speaker 2 Jim, before we move completely on, well, actually, it has nothing to do with any of this so we're moving completely on let's move completely on i sent you an email because a ton of listeners have sent it over they've emailed it to corney drivethrough at gmail.com they tried to post it in the facebook group of a battle royal on the water

Speaker 15 people want to know your thoughts on it on the concept it's about 12 seconds i've sent you a link for you to check out this well i i appreciate you sending me this but i've already seen it because it was all over twitter and if it's 12 seconds same thing i've seen Apparently, it went on for longer than the video, which is only 12 seconds.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 did anybody give any

Speaker 15 explanation for how this came to be a thing that was happening and why they were doing it and where?

Speaker 15 I know it's in France,

Speaker 15 but it was this like at a summer festival? There was some

Speaker 15 some type of context for having a ring out in the middle of a lake,

Speaker 15 a floating ring at that, that wasn't floating very well.

Speaker 2 But it seemed that was the intention.

Speaker 2 It seemed that was the intention. You kind of wanted it to go from one side to the other, and then you'd have to run from one side to the other.

Speaker 2 See, I don't know anything about it in terms of details. People just started sending it and like, Jim's going to lose his mind about this.
I'm like, I don't know, actually, if he will.

Speaker 15 Well, yeah, there's a thing. There's people in a rowboat

Speaker 15 or some type of inflatable pontoon or whatever in the goddamn lake next to the ring. There's like

Speaker 15 18 people on the bank of the lake or whatever, sitting in lawn chairs watching it. And there's as many wrestlers in this ring that's on

Speaker 15 spare tires and floating whatever.

Speaker 15 But when

Speaker 15 the

Speaker 15 When a couple of them go too far past middle, it tips sideways, and the one ring post goes all the way down to where the apron of the ring is underwater. And then they all slide that.

Speaker 15 And here's a girl in it, too, now that I'm looking.

Speaker 15 I don't.

Speaker 15 And it's raining, come to think of it. Now, no wonder there's nobody there.
These dumb shits are out in the rain in the lake.

Speaker 2 My God, it's not lightning.

Speaker 2 What do you think of the concept? Is there any applicable way of using this for anything legitimate?

Speaker 15 I can see that if you had some kind of

Speaker 15 spring break thing where it was a,

Speaker 15 I'm not talking about kids getting together and deciding to put on a show. I'm saying if it was some hotel or resort area and they've got a big spring break thing, oh, in our

Speaker 15 pool or our water feature or even,

Speaker 15 you know, next to our beach, we'll have a ring floating of some description. But this looks not only so low budget, but low rent outlaw.

Speaker 15 It just, you know,

Speaker 15 so I could see that there could be a context where

Speaker 15 you could do something like that if you had a special attraction at a

Speaker 15 a water-centric event or somewhere on the water, but just putting people out in the lake in the rain for 18 people to sit there and watch them fuck around.

Speaker 15 I don't know if that was well thought through.

Speaker 2 All right. Does it remind you of Chilhalley Park at all?

Speaker 15 No, because there was a lot of people.

Speaker 15 Those people would come. They were used to it.
Les Thatcher said on one night, it was him and Whitey, I think, against either Don and Al Green or maybe the Wright brothers.

Speaker 15 They had 5,000 people come in a rain to sit there. They put one preliminary on and then then the main event so the people could see that and then canceled the rest of the card.

Speaker 15 The people went home happy.

Speaker 15 They had more patience than the people in France.

Speaker 2 Okay, the battle royal has ended.

Speaker 2 And we are all the winners here today because we have more time, more questions, more fun

Speaker 2 here on the show, Jim.

Speaker 2 Several listeners have been sending in questions. I'll ask one for everyone.

Speaker 2 Apparently, on Collision, I didn't see it. I know it's going around.
AEW had a segment. I was told it was a very nice word or two from Tony Schiavone

Speaker 2 about Hulk Hogan's passing.

Speaker 2 Some fans were really upset, it seemed, or at least saying they were,

Speaker 2 that there wasn't an official AEW post, an AEW tribute.

Speaker 2 Anything like that of any kind. Raw and SmackDown naturally began with Hulk Hogan tributes.
TNA began impact with a Hulk Hogan tribute. Again, Hulk Hogan worked in those places.

Speaker 2 Was AEW obligated to do more than they did? Did they just do fine? It's not really their thing. They don't need to dive in, considering the past comments about the Hogan's from AEW.

Speaker 15 Well, I mean, I was banned one time, according to Jericho, but I'd like to think that if I kicked off, old Tony would mention it at least. But here's the thing now.

Speaker 15 Are you saying, because I know they just did the brief, you know, mention by Tony Schiavone, and it was a minute or whatever the fuck. It wasn't just like, yeah, this is what happened.

Speaker 15 But did they not make like an official Twitter post or statement from AEW as a company?

Speaker 15 You know, we're saddened to hear about the passing of Hulk Hogan or whatever, just the generic thing that everybody does. They didn't do that as a company officially?

Speaker 2 I don't believe so. I'm going to double-check that right now, but I don't believe they did.

Speaker 15 That's, you know, you kind of have to do that in that situation, even if it's a corporate statement. I mean, think of how many people

Speaker 15 that have passed that the WWE made a statement on, and they were on the outs with them, or they had been on the other side during some type of

Speaker 15 promotional war in the past. But the thing is, with a video tribute, what could they have played?

Speaker 15 What could they show?

Speaker 15 TNA is affiliated with WWE now.

Speaker 15 WWE owns the WCW library. What would they have?

Speaker 15 Would they have gone back and showed him in Memphis? That's almost the only thing they could do, isn't it?

Speaker 2 New Japan, but even New Japan, I don't know if they could just.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's the TV. That's not the company.
That old footage is not owned by New Japan now.

Speaker 15 So it would would be possible that's that's right it's the network yeah that that's why i've been told in the past that there was not

Speaker 15 more things done with some of that footage because the network owns it and they have somewhat grander expectations than most wrestling promotions over here would have wanted to pay for rights

Speaker 2 so tony has to buy the network

Speaker 2 it's that simple

Speaker 15 But did AEW... Yeah, so

Speaker 15 they had two or three days try to find some footage that they probably can't get and wouldn't be able to get the rights to so I don't think they should have done a big video thing, but they're you know

Speaker 2 They probably should have covered their bases on social media even though they had that previous tweet where again Tony Khan told Linda Hogan you're banned, you know, whatever it was, just like your husband, you're banned, which was the first time anyone heard that Hulk Hogan was banned.

Speaker 15 Well, but it was the, you know, the whole thing. They were trying to appeal to their audience that was predisposed not to like Hulk Hogan anyway.

Speaker 15 And as I said earlier, this program, then Linda opens her yap and gets heat all over the whole family.

Speaker 15 But there's a difference between no, we don't want a guy coming to our show that he wasn't going to come to anyway.

Speaker 15 And, you know, when he's dead, not saying, oh, we, you know,

Speaker 15 we recognize the passing of old John Henry there, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 All right, Jim. Well, let's move on here with the show.

Speaker 2 This question was sent via email to corney drive-through at gmail.com from David Croft in 96, South Carolina.

Speaker 15 What?

Speaker 15 Oh, that is a town. That's right.
96 written out, not the number.

Speaker 2 That's a real town, really?

Speaker 15 Yes, I believe it is.

Speaker 2 With a few exceptions, I generally dislike it when a wrestler wears some form of denim jeans, leather or biker pants, baggy athletic wear, or what have you as their ring gear for regular matches.

Speaker 2 I find it to come off as unprofessional and bush league.

Speaker 2 Also, in my mind, it also weakens the presentation as a legitimate sport.

Speaker 2 My question for you:

Speaker 2 what is your opinion on non-tights legwear in professional wrestling? Do you know the time frame of when it became acceptable in mainstream wrestling to wear non-tights for regular matches?

Speaker 2 Did sports commissions have a say on ring gear for wrestling?

Speaker 15 Well, believe it or not, it has not been unheard of in the distant past for there actually to be athletic commission rules as far as,

Speaker 15 you know, guys and girls had to wear certain,

Speaker 15 you know, types of things in order to cover up or whatever but for this purpose of this exercise it started being a thing along with 90s indie wrestling and then ecw grungy

Speaker 15 and also because a lot of the guys on the outlaws couldn't afford fucking tights to begin with and

Speaker 15 everybody's look was supposed to be oh he's

Speaker 15 whatever the fuck he what were they they were all in the 90s all the all the the guys were disgruntled and

Speaker 15 alienated from society.

Speaker 15 And what it looks like then,

Speaker 15 as the caller describes, is a bunch of outlaw, indie, low-budget goofs. Now,

Speaker 15 there's a reason for all of those things to be worn.

Speaker 15 Blue jeans, if it's a street fight or a bunkhouse match, well, then there you go. It's explained.
You're coming dressed for a street fight.

Speaker 15 Or if it's a guy's gimmick, there's been guys that carried off leather pants.

Speaker 15 If it's a guy's gimmick and part of a slick-looking presentation,

Speaker 15 there's reasons

Speaker 15 that you can, you know, get away with wearing

Speaker 15 different types of fucking.

Speaker 15 If it's an impromptu match where guys are jumping in the ring from an interview and they're still in their street clothes, that used to add an element of immediacy to it.

Speaker 15 But when guys just repeatedly over and over come out on indie shows or whatever with

Speaker 15 zoo baths and fucking baggy t-shirts because they think it's all about the performance, well, you look like shit.

Speaker 15 And it makes the show look like shit. And the other people on it who are at least trying,

Speaker 15 there's an element of shit on them too.

Speaker 2 Okay, well, that was the question about wrestlers in pants. Pants apparently with shit on it.

Speaker 15 With shit on them.

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's time now we move on to another question here, Jim.

Speaker 2 This one, Jim, was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Harris

Speaker 2 Subramanian.

Speaker 15 Oh, come on now.

Speaker 2 Off topic, has Jim ever been to India?

Speaker 15 That certainly departs from the normal topics that we discuss here on the program.

Speaker 15 I would think that if the fellow was a longtime listener there, he would probably have known the answer to that question because I think I talked for weeks and weeks before I took my two trips to the United Kingdom and afterwards, weeks and weeks, about

Speaker 15 how I'd never been.

Speaker 15 That's why I didn't know about the Drew McIntyre stuff, how that worked. I was Xannexed when I entered and left the United Kingdom because I was coming off of and about to be on a plane.

Speaker 15 And that was twice in my life. And that's the only time I've ever used a fucking passport.
And I no longer have an active one and don't need one.

Speaker 15 And I've never been to any other place that required me to have one. Because when I used to go to Canada, not like that'll ever happen again,

Speaker 15 all you needed was your driver's license.

Speaker 15 So I ain't been to India.

Speaker 2 But let's say you had your passport handy and travel was a lot easier. It's a new time.
I don't know how it would work.

Speaker 2 Some sort of total recall kind of situation.

Speaker 15 Is there a transporter tube where I could just be beamed to India?

Speaker 2 Is India where you would go? Do you think you would enjoy visiting and traveling to the land of India?

Speaker 15 Well, hold on now. Is India where you'd rather go? That means I've got a choice.
And if we're working down the list, then that means

Speaker 15 I would have to do some research to find out if there's any place on the world, on the globe, that I would go after India.

Speaker 15 Because not to again

Speaker 15 inflame the sentiments of the questioner,

Speaker 15 but wasn't that where the guys went when William Regal got that intestinal thing that almost killed him?

Speaker 2 What was it? I'd like to know what it was because I watch all these videos that pop up on Facebook whenever I go there of like, I think it's India, some of it's India, like just street food.

Speaker 2 And it all looks delicious, except for how they make it with their hands, which are never washed. There are no gloves.
I'm just grabbing stuff. There's flies.

Speaker 15 Well, no, but besides that, there.

Speaker 2 Did he eat shrimp food? That's my question.

Speaker 15 Well, no, but again, no,

Speaker 15 while I was there in the office. In India? Oh.
No. While I was there in the office in the WWF, that's where they had the tour.

Speaker 15 I remember him being reported as sick, but also there's guidelines for some countries. And I'm not trying to,

Speaker 15 if it's not India, then I'll be more than happy to correct myself if somebody smartens me up. But there are some of the countries where they say, don't open your mouth in the shower.

Speaker 15 Don't drink anything but bottled water. Don't have ice in a goddamn drink.

Speaker 15 I mean, you know, what the fuck? I don't. I don't want to go to those places wherever they may be that they say, you know, that everything may be poisonous or give you a long-lasting

Speaker 15 fucking virulent illness. Thank you very much.
I'll stay here in Kentucky and fight the deer ticks.

Speaker 2 All right, Jim, our next question here

Speaker 2 was sent to corny drive-through at gmail.com from Randy Barrett, Stafford, Virginia.

Speaker 2 Mr. Cornet,

Speaker 2 I have a quick question for you. A co-worker of mine is a huge wrestling fan who attended Gardner Webb in the 1980s.

Speaker 2 He mentioned a time when you and the Midnight Express wrestled there in late 84 or early 85.

Speaker 2 He was a pretty big guy, sitting up in the front row, and remembers jaw-jacking back and forth with you.

Speaker 2 He said you took the wind out of his sails when you announced to the crowd that you'd seen bigger arms on a chair.

Speaker 2 Rich was 6'2 ⁇ and 275 pounds or so at the time. So I was wondering if you remember this interaction with this big man.

Speaker 2 He also mentioned that he talked to the security guard a day or so later and was told that you had been watching from the back.

Speaker 2 Because he was so vocal yelling at the wrestlers, you supposedly asked if he would be any trouble, and the security guard said, no, he's just a big wrestling fan.

Speaker 2 That was before you and the express went out and immediately zoomed in on him and gave him a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 The guard gave him a crocket business card that you left for him.

Speaker 2 He still laughs about the good time he had going back and forth with you. Does this

Speaker 2 ring a bell?

Speaker 2 Thanks for all you've done for wrestling. God bless you and your family.

Speaker 15 And God bless you and your family, sir. So it just happens that old, what was this fellow's name that's writing in from Virginia?

Speaker 2 This is Randy Barrett, Stafford Virginia. Randolphia, but obviously the person in the story is not Randy.

Speaker 15 Well, yes, but Randy was not present when all these things happened at Gardner Webb College. And Gardner Webb, by the way, is a college that

Speaker 15 I'm trying to remember. You could maybe Google it, Brian, but it's somewhere in the Charlotte area, either North Carolina or South Carolina.

Speaker 15 It's one of the colleges that has a small gym that we used to do spot shows and TV tapings around the Charlotte area.

Speaker 2 It is a private Christian university in Boiling Springs, North Carolina.

Speaker 15 Boiling Springs. That's Gardner Webb.
There's promos with Tony Schiavone in front of the orange background at Crockett's office talking about Gardner Webb.

Speaker 15 So Gardner Webb exists. Now, as for the rest of the story, it's fucking horse shit.

Speaker 15 I hope you know Rich, maybe Rich is dead. So that way he won't suffer the indignity of, no,

Speaker 15 number one thing,

Speaker 15 bigger arms than on a chair has never been in my

Speaker 15 fucking repertoire of witty repartee and snappy comebacks. I don't remember,

Speaker 15 I remember a lot of big guys in the front row of all these towns, but I never left a Crockett business card for anybody because I never had any. I didn't have my own business card.

Speaker 15 If I was watching from the back,

Speaker 15 it was because we were bored in the locker room because there was nothing to fucking do and we were watching the matches. I wasn't paying attention to the big fellow that was 6'2 ⁇ , 275

Speaker 15 because Lord knows there was nobody in the locker room for Crockett at that point, anywhere near that size.

Speaker 15 But what it was, was this fan went to the matches and instead of telling his friend from Virginia, yeah, you know, I sat there in the the front row and watched everything, he,

Speaker 15 as was the common in those days, was trying to make himself more the center of attention, the center of the story.

Speaker 15 He caused some stir. Look at me, pal.
You should have been there.

Speaker 15 You missed all kinds of stuff. I'll tell you what you missed because you weren't there.

Speaker 15 You see what I'm saying, Brian?

Speaker 2 Why would you leave a business card? Like, hey, kid, you did great. Call the office.
Like, why wouldn't that?

Speaker 15 Well, that's sad to say, yeah, he left me a business card. Like, hey, you know, you ought to be a wrestler like us.
You look at you.

Speaker 15 That's what a lot of guys in those days would go to the matches and they'd go back and tell their friends that they made some type of impression on somebody for doing something.

Speaker 15 They know not to mess with me down there.

Speaker 15 It's, you know, that's just what they did.

Speaker 2 You know, all the stories you talk about with like riots or even just fan interactions

Speaker 2 with the towns that you were going to regularly, and I guess primarily Mid-South or actually Mid-South Crockett or Smoky Mountain,

Speaker 2 forget about like, I knew this instance, there would be a lot of heat. Were there certain fans that you knew because you saw them regularly? Like, that's the fan.
That's the trouble fan.

Speaker 2 That's the fan. No.
Or were they gone usually quickly?

Speaker 15 No, well, no, because, well, for one thing, that they didn't last long enough. But no, the people that you saw every week, and of course, there were still some,

Speaker 15 you know, old ladies that would get carried away and whack you at the purse or throw a cup at you or whatever. But the people you saw every week were not going to cause the trouble.

Speaker 15 The people that hit the ring or the people that got overly into things, tried to get you on the way back, or whatever, they were the ones that just came.

Speaker 15 They were probably weren't sitting ringside. They probably were general admission, but they got closer to the ring when shit started happening.
Or they just, you know, the

Speaker 15 he just, he's there every once in a while. He wants to get drunk and watch the matches and he lost control of himself.

Speaker 15 You know, the regulars not only,

Speaker 15 I won't even say they had all figured it out,

Speaker 15 but they'd seen enough that it took more to get them really pissed off. And

Speaker 15 they didn't want to fuck things up because that was their thing they did every week or every two weeks or every show or whatever. But now, having said that,

Speaker 15 one night at the gardens,

Speaker 15 the way that we originally got front row tickets before

Speaker 15 Teeny had started, you know, just letting us in, we were part of the, me and my mom, part of the show at that point.

Speaker 15 This lady that had four front row tickets

Speaker 15 reserved, because that's in those days, the first first three or four rows was all reserved. Same people got them every week.

Speaker 15 Well, a couple of the people that came with her moved out of town or whatever. And she said, Hey, would y'all like these? Okay, we'll take them.

Speaker 15 Well, this woman, she'd known Fargo for years, used to bring him bottles of whiskey as a present every now and then or whatever.

Speaker 15 She'd been sitting there all this time, and she was fairly smart to the, she didn't know anything about Booker or booking or whatever, but she knew somehow they they were not trying to kill each other.

Speaker 15 She brings her son-in-law one time.

Speaker 15 He's sitting front row by the end of the night, the last match. I'm taking pictures.
Guess who shot past me under the ropes, get in the ring, get the shit kicked out of me?

Speaker 15 Her fucking son-in-law.

Speaker 15 I said, What the fuck is it?

Speaker 15 And she's trying to grab him, hold him back.

Speaker 15 They beat the shit out of him, tossed him back.

Speaker 2 He never

Speaker 15 came her again.

Speaker 2 That's an interesting thought, though. How many fans who hit the ring or try to attack the wrestlers on their way, coming and going, are regulars versus people who came as a one-off?

Speaker 15 It's, I mean, these people, I'm not saying they never came.

Speaker 15 A lot of people went to wrestling, what now would be termed as constantly. Back then, if it was a weekly town and you went 15 times a year, you were only going

Speaker 15 a little bit more than 25%.

Speaker 15 But they were generally, again,

Speaker 15 you know, the ones that are sitting up in the stands, milling around, a little bit too much to drink.

Speaker 15 Most of the ringsiders,

Speaker 15 but even then,

Speaker 15 one night in a lot in Oklahoma, the guy in the front row who picked up the fucking chair.

Speaker 15 They're going to come after me in the midnight.

Speaker 15 We were leaving the ring from the Fantastics and Bobby grabbed a chair and 15 other people in the same section of ringside picked up a chair so bobby put the chair down and everybody else put their chairs down and they just beat the shit out of us hand to hand on the way back

Speaker 2 all right jim as what was the question uh the question was about rich who was a big well fuck rich rich he's a big bullshitter

Speaker 2 i'm sure he uh meant well and i'm sure he was uh really proud of that story thank you for sending your email

Speaker 2 and if

Speaker 15 if he's going to lie about me, give me better material. Seeing bigger arms on a chair.

Speaker 2 All right, Jim. Let's talk briefly about some recent retro figures that have come out from various toy lines, including WWE's Mattel deal.

Speaker 15 Well, I was about to say, are the companies while they last since WWE's trying to run them out of business too?

Speaker 2 Well, here's one. And I believe I heard he may have signed a new WWE Legends deal, or his family may have.
But before that, at least this deal was done

Speaker 2 from a new company, TRT Title Run Toys.

Speaker 2 This is a Paul Orndorff Hasbro-style figure, and it's so that he's doing the double bicep pose, but you could also sit down almost to pile drive someone.

Speaker 2 What are your thoughts? And the finishing move here is the devastating driver.

Speaker 15 Comes with its own optional hemorrhoid.

Speaker 2 You're surprised there aren't too many Paul Orndorff figures. It's about to change, but there haven't been too many Paul Orndorff figures throughout the years.

Speaker 2 There was the original LJN, and then there was a big gap.

Speaker 15 Well, and that's you know, we were talking about this off air the other day, and that a lot of these,

Speaker 15 you know, smaller companies are making

Speaker 15 smaller runs, but I assume they're going through the families and getting rights and etc.

Speaker 15 But it's a chance, or it's been a chance for not only people to have figures of guys like Orndorf that hadn't been done to death, but also

Speaker 15 family makes a little money. But now, suddenly, as you said,

Speaker 15 the WWE is just releasing all kinds of shit. And they're doing it

Speaker 15 for half the price, as you mentioned earlier in the show, on some of these things.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I hope it works out.

Speaker 15 But it's

Speaker 15 sort of like that, who are the powertrain, powerhouse,

Speaker 15 power, who are these people power town oh oh power town yeah that group and i'm i'm they tried to get me and the midnight involved and we didn't for the simple reason that

Speaker 15 you can either be in the figure business it seems to me

Speaker 15 you can either be in the

Speaker 15 wwe system and you might make X cents off of each figure that are sold, but the theory is hopefully they'll sell just a bloody million million of them.

Speaker 15 Or

Speaker 15 you can do it yourself or do it on a limited basis through one of these smaller companies

Speaker 15 and

Speaker 15 maybe not sell a lot of figures, but the talent might get more per figure.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 the power town type of people,

Speaker 15 you're in the middle there where,

Speaker 15 and that's why I've talked about when the the midnight express figures that are available at jimcornetcame.com came out

Speaker 15 that we were eliminating the middleman and going directly to the consumer and the boys were getting the money and by the way again stan lane dennis condry and bobby eaton's kids thank everybody that has bought the midnight express figures and there's some still available jimcornet.com

Speaker 15 But that's that's the problem is you either take a deal with one of the bigger companies and

Speaker 15 Jesus Christ, if they're selling these things for 25, I think PowerTown, you know better than I do, was it 30?

Speaker 2 Oh, it was a little bit more than that. Yeah.

Speaker 15 35, whatever. Where's the money for the talent when you've got all these people in the middle? You've got manufacturing, you've got putting it in stores and percentages being taken and et cetera.

Speaker 15 And with the WWE trying to crowd the smaller companies out,

Speaker 15 then are these guys really going to make any money money or is it just more gross revenue

Speaker 15 for the WWE? Is what I'm saying to you.

Speaker 2 Well, I think it's a couple of things there. In terms of like the specific figure I'm talking about here, the brand new Title Run Toys Paul Orndorf, I really like it.

Speaker 15 Yes, back to that.

Speaker 2 But it's

Speaker 15 they're trying to do something.

Speaker 15 For the love of the game here, the smaller manufacturers, the mom and pop stores, getting the forgotten talent

Speaker 15 and a little boost.

Speaker 2 My point was going to be, this is a really cool figure. And so far, WWE and their Mattel deal have not figured out how to get the retro Hasbro feel at all.

Speaker 2 It's the biggest disappointment, maybe, in all the figures they do. They just don't get it.
They're not really what collectors want.

Speaker 2 But they got Paul Orndorf coming out in a

Speaker 2 Piper's Pet. Piper's Pit set that's coming out pretty soon.
So now they're working with Paul Orndorf.

Speaker 15 Or Piper's pet shit.

Speaker 2 A lot of the guys that you see, like, oh, they're going to have a new Hasbro retro from one of the companies or something.

Speaker 2 The next thing you know, like, oh, that exact figure is now going to be coming out from WWE.

Speaker 2 And that's going to be an issue. With PowerTown, I could say, because I've seen what they've offered and I know what they were trying to do,

Speaker 2 it didn't seem like a mechanism to make money for wrestlers.

Speaker 2 Well, that's not. Because it was also based off pre-order.
So it's not even like.

Speaker 2 You know, I guess they ended up having inventory, but the plan, it wasn't like, and you'll get all these units and you could use your powerful shop app and sell them.

Speaker 2 It didn't seem like a way for wrestlers to make money. And as we're speaking right now, I know a lot of people who pre-ordered their stuff, myself included,

Speaker 2 it has not come. There have been no updates.
We have no idea what's happening. And it's not a surprise.
But a lot of the people they announced that are coming on their next line.

Speaker 2 Same exact people. WWE is putting like almost the exact same figure.

Speaker 15 I think we ought to just start announcing, Brian, that you and I are making a bunch of figures of whoever we want to make some money for.

Speaker 15 And then the WWE will run and jump on top of that, and we can take 10% on the back end.

Speaker 2 Well, Jim, let me ask you about this next one. Let's give WWE's figures a mention here.
Let me grab this.

Speaker 2 This is one, I got to say, this is like where they're marketing toys to me.

Speaker 2 From the WWE Legends line series 27, the Elite Collection, it says

Speaker 2 Terry Funk,

Speaker 2 Bash89 Terry Funk,

Speaker 2 in the blue and white stripes with the black trunks over it, middle-aged and crazy. My favorite version, maybe, of Terry Funk.

Speaker 15 Is there a branding iron?

Speaker 2 There's a branding iron. He's got the hat.
He's got the entire thing. And there's a chase, which is like the short print that everyone has to find a way to get.

Speaker 2 of the I quit match Terry Funk.

Speaker 2 So 1989 Terry Funk. Again, who's the the market for this? Kids or me?

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Well, it's the same thing, actually.

Speaker 15 But yes, that's

Speaker 15 again,

Speaker 15 you know, for

Speaker 15 people your age, maybe closing it on my age. It's been 35 years ago or whatever, fond memories.
Those variants,

Speaker 15 the raw debut variant of me or the bloody variant were some of my biggest sellers on the action figures. People like the specific time periods.

Speaker 2 What did you think of that look for Terry? Because you had always seen him whenever he came into Memphis.

Speaker 2 I believe every time he was wearing his trunks, just like he did when he was the NWA champion, just like he did throughout the 70s, just like you did in June.

Speaker 15 Well, yeah, but now he's a 45-year-old man. Sometimes your legs, you know, turn on you at that point.
He didn't want to.

Speaker 2 I'm not complaining. I'm asking, what did you think of that look? Because again, it was a very interesting, the pants didn't match the trunks, but it all worked together.

Speaker 2 it worked though and it became the terry funk look but what did you think when you first saw it

Speaker 15 uh that was what i think he had just gotten those not long before he came to work dates for me and smoky mountain because that's how he showed up and and uh

Speaker 15 but again he he kept changing because remember he was more of the in the 70s the even when he wasn't the world champion he was the blonde-haired cowboy with the hat and the goatee

Speaker 15 but then in the 80s he had the the curly hair and

Speaker 15 kind of scruffy beard because he was more road house.

Speaker 15 And then toward the 90s, he was covered up the legs because he had dropped a little weight also from the 80s days. He needed for mobility, so his legs looked a little skinnier.
So

Speaker 15 he not only covered them up, but he had the... the weird stripiness so that would make him look bigger.

Speaker 15 It was all Terry.

Speaker 2 All right, Jim, one final round here from Hastel Toys and their gimmicks and grapplers. Is it gimmicks and grapplers and gimmicks? I get it wrong every time.
There are several figures here.

Speaker 2 They have put out a Tully Blanchard and Arne Anderson Brain Busters retro Hasbro figure.

Speaker 2 Again, if you're someone who was there when these toys first came out in 1990, It was really everyone that was a big star in 89,

Speaker 2 but there were several people not there, including the Brain Busters. So they finally get a Hasbro-style figure.

Speaker 15 Yeah, because they only were there for the one year, so they didn't have time to get in the production pipeline. But here's the thing with

Speaker 15 Tully had the robes

Speaker 15 when he was a single and with JJ or with Baby Doll, the robes and the different things. Arn just always wore a windbreaker.

Speaker 15 So wouldn't you just be able to take a Tully figure and just put a Windbreaker on it and it'd be the Brain Busters?

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, these don't come with windbreakers. A lot of the toys coming out now, they come with soft goods.
There are toys coming apparently any day now from England from Epic Toys.

Speaker 2 They have Ric Flair in the green robe. It's a real robe.
Like Barry Wyndham, like 88 Barry Wyndham is a heel with a claw hand. Steve Williams in his robe.
So some people are doing soft goods.

Speaker 15 Well, what about if you just went to Walmart and got the smallest child sizes of

Speaker 15 windbreakers?

Speaker 2 For the real tally or for the figure?

Speaker 15 Well, either one.

Speaker 2 That's the same thing both ways.

Speaker 15 All right.

Speaker 15 I jest, I jest. Tully and I always jousted.

Speaker 2 What did you think of the name, the Brain Busters, for them? Obviously, they needed something just because that's what Vince did back then.

Speaker 2 Every tag team had a name if they were serious tag teams in WWE or WWF at the time. What did you think of the name for them?

Speaker 15 Hated it. The brainbusters.
What the fuck?

Speaker 15 I never thought of an alternate because it was

Speaker 15 never something that I was tasked with doing, but goddamn, one would have thought,

Speaker 15 you know, as good as they were and with Heenan, they would have come up with the brainbusters sounded like it would have fit Warlord and Barbarian more or something of that ilk.

Speaker 2 See, I always like the name of Barbarian in the movie Body Slam, the Cannibals.

Speaker 2 That's such a great name. No one else used it, I guess, because of the whole stigma on cannibalism.

Speaker 2 The finishing maneuvers on the banknote.

Speaker 15 You know, cannibalism is really a maligned practice. Now, in certain cultures, metaphorically speaking, it's not frowned on.

Speaker 2 Again, I don't know about those cultures, and I hope you don't either. On this figure here, the finishing maneuver for Tully, the pile driver punch for Arn, the Spine Buster Slam.

Speaker 15 The Pile Driver Punch.

Speaker 2 I guess he just likes the alliteration.

Speaker 2 I'm not really sure. And finally, Jim, Jim, a set of figures, three to be exact, of Tatanka.

Speaker 2 We have Tatanka. Here's some soft goods in his Woodstock style shirt here thing with a tomahawk in his original white pants when he came in.

Speaker 2 And here's another one with the headdress that he received in a ceremony with Chief Wahoo McDaniel and Chief Jay Strongbow.

Speaker 2 And finally, a third one here with a heelish face holding a lot of money from when he accepted the Million Dollar Land deal.

Speaker 2 The Buffalo Bash. What are these other finishers here? The Buffalo Bash is one of them.

Speaker 15 The Buffalo Bash.

Speaker 2 The Tomahawk Chop and the Sellout Slam.

Speaker 2 Any thoughts on Tatanka, the Native American superstar?

Speaker 15 Well, I'm glad he didn't use those finishes, names of finishes for real, but do you get like the three faces of Tatanka in the same package, or is it three variants? Collect them all, kids.

Speaker 2 Three separate figures. Again, one is the classic 1992 Tatanka, which is probably his coolest look.
And then it's the

Speaker 2 more skimpier blue outfit that he started wearing in 1993.

Speaker 15 No, that's when they told him to sex his shit up with the headdress or wearing a skimpy clothing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And then finally, he has a little snarl on his face here for the

Speaker 2 Million Dollar Man version.

Speaker 15 I don't know that there's a ton of call for multiple Tatankas. I I think one Tatanka might cover it, but that's just me.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 15 Well, those I don't know that Tatanka ever reached the heights of Don Eagle or Chief Bigh.

Speaker 2 Well, again, those are some of the recent retro figures.

Speaker 2 And of course, if you want Jim Cornette and the Midnight Express figures, there's one place you can go, and that's Cornettes Collectibles at jimcornet.com.

Speaker 15 That's exactly right. We already did the plug, though, earlier in the program.
We'll do it again.

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Speaker 15 We're talking talking about figures. All right.
Well,

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Speaker 2 I would actually pay to see you climb a tree. Yeah, I would actually.

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Speaker 2 Let's not try that example. It doesn't sound like a wise thing to do, but these are great boots.
I love them here.

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I know.

Speaker 2 Sometimes we're squeezing animals. I don't curse animals.
This is not what we do here. We just curse them.
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Speaker 2 You know, they have to edit those out of the shows because of the rights issues with all the celebrities that made appearances in those.

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I love them. Yes.
Say that for real, but they don't make you walk sideways up buildings.

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And then they're going to ask you, how did you hear about us?

Speaker 15 You better not stooge us off. No, actually, you're supposed to tell them.

Speaker 2 No, please.

Speaker 2 Please tell them you heard about it here. That actually helps us, Jim.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that does. Normally, you don't name names.
You don't want to name names. I don't know anything.
But in this case, go ahead and name names. Without feeling like a single person.

Speaker 2 You don't name names without the person's permission. That's what it is.
We're giving permission.

Speaker 15 Well, we're giving you blanket permission. Name our names.

Speaker 2 Say our names.

Speaker 15 Say our to say my name, bitch.

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Speaker 2 All right. Well, this is

Speaker 2 going to be more fun now here, Jim.

Speaker 2 Let's get some more questions and the like here on the show.

Speaker 2 This next email was sent to corney drivethru at gmail.com.

Speaker 2 This is from Derek.

Speaker 2 Hey Derek Good afternoon, Jim. I hope this email finds you well.
I'll cut right to the chase.

Speaker 2 In years past,

Speaker 2 I was a security guard for the city of Louisville. Oh good lord and occasionally worked the defunct Louisville Gardens.

Speaker 2 One evening I was killing time by browsing the gardens record room records room, excuse me, and came across a nineteen seventy nine letter to Jerry Jarrett from a group of angry Louisville mothers.

Speaker 2 It appears that someone associated with Louisville wrestling swindled a group of kids out of their money by promising to train them as wrestlers and never following through.

Speaker 2 The letter is transcribed to the best of my ability here.

Speaker 2 Mr. Jerry Jarrett, we are writing to see if you could help us.
We have tried everyone else. So we're writing to you and Troubleshooter.

Speaker 2 Again, I don't know if that's what it's supposed to say there.

Speaker 15 Well, and Troubleshooter, they had a troubleshooting

Speaker 15 consumer affairs column in the newspaper here

Speaker 15 back in those days. So maybe

Speaker 15 that's the way they worded that, possibly.

Speaker 2 In July. The paper had an ad for the kids that take wrestling training.
We called and a man came down. His name is Ronnie Elligood.

Speaker 15 Oh my God!

Speaker 2 He said he is your cousin.

Speaker 15 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 Okay, I don't know who this man is, but obviously you do.

Speaker 15 Oh boy, Ronnie Elligood.

Speaker 2 Elligood, okay, there it is. We called the YMCA to make sure, and he said he worked for them.

Speaker 2 He didn't tell us to take the money to the YMCA. He took it on August the 3rd and was supposed to bring our contract, and we didn't see him after that.

Speaker 2 We called the YMCA and even went up there and talked to a man by the name of Larry Palmer. He said if the kids got their money back, they could take the training or he would get a hold of him.

Speaker 2 We keep calling, but nothing is ever done.

Speaker 2 They see Mr. Ellie good at wrestling every week, and he keeps giving the runaround, but never the money.

Speaker 2 He He said you and Jerry Lawrener would help train them.

Speaker 2 How many more kids has he done this to?

Speaker 2 All the kids are teenagers, and two of us are on Social Security and two out of work.

Speaker 15 Oh, good lord.

Speaker 2 How would you like for someone to eat and drink at your table than take their money on false pretense?

Speaker 2 I know, Mr. Jarrett, you wouldn't want someone to do that to your child.

Speaker 2 He's at wrestling every week and sells pictures, and he said he was a wrestler.

Speaker 2 That gives wrestling a bad name. Here are the names of the children.
And there are several children. I won't give their last names.
Larry, $17, age 13. Ernest, $17, age 13.
All of them, $17.

Speaker 2 Lester, age 14. Bobby, age 17.
Donald,

Speaker 2 age 18. And Barry, age 17.
This is signed by three concerned mothers. I won't give their names here, Jim.

Speaker 2 Back to the letter from Derek.

Speaker 2 Jim, being the authority on Louisville Wrestling that you are, I thought that perhaps you might know something about this no-good charlatan, Ronnie Elligood.

Speaker 2 Do you have any knowledge about the cast of characters mentioned in the letter? Do you know if those poor kids ever got their $17

Speaker 2 back? Or if they ultimately attended Mr. Elligood's wrestling training? I would love to hear your comments on the matter.

Speaker 2 Thank you for all the great work work you do and the countless hours of entertainment.

Speaker 15 Well, this is news to me. And truthfully, I'm sure when they got the letter, you know,

Speaker 15 they just dismissed it out of hand because the only relationship that Ronnie Elligood ever had to Louisville Wrestling was when he bought a ticket every week to come to the fucking matches because he was the biggest mark in the world.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I don't know that Christine Jarrett or anybody would have even recognized his name because

Speaker 15 I had been a fan and had,

Speaker 15 you know, gotten to know some of the regular characters that came to the matches. That's why I immediately knew his name because he was, and I get, he's got to be dead by now.
If I was

Speaker 15 in 1977, if I was 16, he was easily 20 or 25 years older than me. So he's dead now, but it's not like I care about hurting his feelings anyway.

Speaker 15 He was the biggest country dumb fuck goof in the Louisville Gardens.

Speaker 15 He had a bald, kind of protruding forehead, and he talked like this. Oh, yeah, I'm right.

Speaker 15 If somebody walked up to the merchandise table and asked one of the other fans that had maybe been out in the back alley waiting for the guys to come in so they could see him, wave at him, whatever, they'd say,

Speaker 15 Did Jerry Lawler show up yet? He would butt in and say, no, he's riding up here with one of my other cousins

Speaker 15 because he was cousins with Jerry Lawler and he was cousins with Jerry Jarrett. He was cousins with everybody.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 as I said, just the,

Speaker 15 you know, you could tell he didn't, I don't know if he had a job or, but he didn't have a job that required him to do anything other than change oil or something. He was always

Speaker 15 disheveled and, you know, looked like a bum fuck.

Speaker 15 And his brother, Plowboy,

Speaker 15 that's what we used to say. His brother was like 325 pounds with this giant bucket head.

Speaker 15 And he made Ronnie look like a fucking MIT scholar.

Speaker 15 And we used to call him Plowboy after Frazier because he just, he would just wander around like a goddamn,

Speaker 15 Tor Johnson would have played him in a 50s science fiction movie.

Speaker 15 But that's, no,

Speaker 15 they never, he couldn't train anybody how to do anything. And these young teenagers, he sold them a bill of goods.
He said that he was cousins with all these big-time wrestlers. If

Speaker 15 truthfully and honestly, the

Speaker 15 concerned parents, if any of these parents had ever seen this guy for 30 seconds, they would have said, no, you're not giving this guy any money.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 it wasn't some kind of ringboy deal. I'm not saying that was involved.
It's just that this was another example example of a guy that had to magnify his importance to all the other fans.

Speaker 15 I'm related to these guys. I'm in with this.
I can get your boys wrestling lessons. Why?

Speaker 15 Yeah, just give me $17 eight times in 1979 and I'll get Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett to teach them how to wrestle.

Speaker 15 You wouldn't believe this guy. Yeah, you wouldn't believe this guy if he said he was going to walk your dog for a dollar if you saw him in person.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 that's what that, but again, there was no way to find out about these things in those days.

Speaker 15 If you were just a gullible person with kids that wanted to learn how to wrestle, shit like that could happen if you didn't watch out.

Speaker 2 Was he there throughout, like, when you were managing? Was he still attending the shows?

Speaker 15 Oh, god, yes.

Speaker 15 I'm sure he

Speaker 15 might have just decomposed in the sixth row.

Speaker 15 All right, Jimmy. And there was one old fan, they called him grandpa.

Speaker 15 He was in the same seat, in the same row, in the same section of ringside for so many years that one week he was in the hospital to have something done.

Speaker 15 And they had to announce at intermission that he was just, he was sick this week, but he'd be back next week because so many people were asking about him.

Speaker 2 Well, again, a different world of the relationship people had with wrestling when it was a weekly thing. That kind of sets us up for our next question here, Jim.

Speaker 2 This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Tony Felice.

Speaker 2 At what point in wrestling history did promoters decide to start booking weekly towns?

Speaker 2 Was the demand for weekly events already existing, or was that demand created via promotion, T V, newspapers, etc.?

Speaker 2 Why was the weekly town concept limited primarily to southern territories, while the northeast and AWA territories opted for monthly shows?

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 it's nothing new, and it wasn't caused by the TV revolution or modern communications or whatever. Louisville was

Speaker 15 oftentimes, there were some interruptions, but oftentimes was a weekly town in the 30s.

Speaker 15 In short version, the reason why that there's a kind of a southern or even a southwestern and northern break in that and Midwestern is because

Speaker 15 the bigger cities, the buildings cost more to rent and the expenses were more for promotion and et cetera.

Speaker 15 Even the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, big city, but they ran every week

Speaker 15 because

Speaker 15 The fucking building was there and it was dedicated for the most part to boxing and wrestling. But if you got Madison Square Garden, even if there was a

Speaker 15 in the hottest periods of the garden in the 50s under Raqqa and Perez,

Speaker 15 you wouldn't have been able to put 20,000 people in there every week, even though they were doing it maybe every three weeks or once a month, and the expenses would quadruple.

Speaker 15 But by the same token, in the southern markets, the southern towns, the buildings were usually smaller. And especially in the 30s, 40s, and 50s, before the major sports arenas began being built,

Speaker 15 wrestling was a more popular professional sport in the 30s and 40s than, and certainly more profitable for the participants, as we've been talking about.

Speaker 15 The wrestlers made more money than football players did in the NFL or the baseball players, et cetera, unless you were Mickey Mantle.

Speaker 15 But there weren't that many sports arenas. So the southern towns would go weekly and try to get the same 3,000 people,

Speaker 15 more or less thereabouts, to come every week.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 we've talked about that the biggest arena

Speaker 15 in the state of Kentucky until the 50s was the armory, Louisville Gardens. that seated in those days, like tops out at 9,000 people for boxing and wrestling.

Speaker 15 And it wasn't until they built the Memorial Gym in Lexington and then Freedom Hall in 1957 here that there was a arena in the state that seated over 10,000 people.

Speaker 15 So that's why a lot of times the, and the same thing in Dallas, the sportatorium, but they owned the fucking building, right?

Speaker 15 You established.

Speaker 15 There's geographically all over the country, there have been weekly towns in any area, but it would generally be a smaller building in the metropolitan area of a bigger city.

Speaker 15 And Brian, we're going to talk about stuff I learned at the Pfeffer Collection of how, even when they weren't running Madison Square Garden in New York in that period in the 40s, they were running five or six nights a week live wrestling events in the metropolitan area.

Speaker 15 Just smaller buildings, but they were running weekly.

Speaker 15 So that was the trade-off you made. Vern didn't want to

Speaker 15 run the smallest building in Minneapolis once a week when he got bigger he wanted to run the big building once a month

Speaker 15 and that's same thing that happened in atlanta the city auditorium seated six or seven thousand cheap rent every friday night boom once the auditoriums closed they couldn't rent the omni every week and that's what started leading to the downfall of Atlanta business when the only option they had was an 18,000 modern arena that they had to run once a month.

Speaker 15 Does that kind of give the people an idea of what?

Speaker 15 It's not a rule of thumb. You could go anywhere, but the weekly towns were generally mid-sized markets and mid-sized buildings and relying on

Speaker 15 regular clientele to where

Speaker 15 if you had Knoxville, Tennessee, or Nashville, Tennessee, or Louisville, Kentucky that would sell

Speaker 15 150 to 200,000 tickets a year,

Speaker 15 there was, you know, a major linchpin in your territory.

Speaker 2 Jim, we received a couple of questions about the same topic, so I'm going to read you both of them. This first one was sent to corny drivethru at gmail.com

Speaker 2 from Quiet Dignity and Grace.

Speaker 15 What a funeral home?

Speaker 2 I always wanted to know where the DDT came from. Is it named after the wrestler that came up with the maneuver? Do the initials stand for something?

Speaker 2 Just a few thoughts that keep me awake at night while listening to your history lessons. And then it says here, is it don't do this?

Speaker 15 Done dementing trauma?

Speaker 2 And then the second question on the same topic from James, Yorkshire, England. I've noticed that most of the time the wrestler giving the DDT will slap the opponent's back before delivering the move.

Speaker 2 Why is that i always figured it was a cue to the other wrestler but don't they always do it and it seems very obvious is there another reason i'm missing yes yes there is you're missing a lot you're missing a lot what's this fellow's name well this was james uh the first one he's miss james you've missed everything

Speaker 15 um no

Speaker 15 well first of all the slap on the back

Speaker 15 Yeah, Jake popularized the DDT. There has been evidence that Black Gordman Gordman was doing a maneuver like that, just as a maneuver in his matches before Jake.

Speaker 15 Jake says that, well, it was a mistake. He had a front face lock on one night and his opponent was pushing him backwards and he tripped.
That's bullshit.

Speaker 15 The thing is, when Jake

Speaker 15 popularized the DDT and used it as his finish, and it was most deadly and put over as, you know, the finish of the thing,

Speaker 15 it made sense when done exactly as he did it. Think about this.

Speaker 15 You put the guy in a front face lock. You're standing in front of him.
He's bent over. You've got your arm around his neck.

Speaker 15 And you're going to fall backwards and you're going to drive his face into the fucking mat.

Speaker 15 And what visually

Speaker 15 would even accentuate that? Because Jake is a genius at, you know, as we've talked about it,

Speaker 15 being visual and making sure people get the idea until he, you know,

Speaker 15 in his later years got sideways. But

Speaker 15 what would accentuate that more is if you raise that long arm of Jake's

Speaker 15 all the way up in the air and then bring it down with somewhat level of violence and slap the guy's back.

Speaker 15 As you drop, it looks like you're even pushing him down more. You see what I'm saying, Brian?

Speaker 15 So it,

Speaker 15 boom, the slap on the back combined with the fall, and the guy takes a bump right on his fucking chest and face. And that's it, lights out.

Speaker 15 That's the way Jake did it. Well, then everybody started, oh, I can take the bump a different way.
I can spike myself and do a hands, a headstand on my head, straight up in the air with my feet. Or

Speaker 15 I'll take the bump and I'll roll over frontwards like it turned me a forward roll.

Speaker 15 Or now some guys are just slapping the back because they didn't even bother to think through why Jake was doing and it just sounds cool or whatever.

Speaker 15 But that's why all those variations came about because they decided, well, we can,

Speaker 15 we can do it better or different or make it prettier or whatever.

Speaker 15 And that's why we're still talking about Jake when we're talking about the DDT because he's the one that got it over and did it right and made it made sense and protected it.

Speaker 2 What'd you think about like when in WCW or when when it just became WCW, you had both Arn Anderson and the Free Birds doing the rolling DDT,

Speaker 2 where you don't go. I didn't mind.

Speaker 2 Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 15 Well, yes. Well, I know the rolling thing where you kind of boom and you're going over, but um, I didn't mind when Arne did it because

Speaker 15 Arn was so quick with that and the Spine Buster, and he'd snatch the DDT sometimes when people tried to duck his punch.

Speaker 15 The Freebirds doing the DDT.

Speaker 15 Because that's the thing is

Speaker 15 that wasn't even the real Freebirds. Hayes and Garvin, I mean, come on.
Gorgeous Jimmy Garvin with Precious was great.

Speaker 15 Jimmy Garvin as a free bird was because he and Michael were friends and they talked him into it. And Michael,

Speaker 15 his work was best done outside managing Buddy and Terry.

Speaker 15 and being the

Speaker 15 speaker as far as in the ring. So it was it was hard working with that version of the free birds.
The DDTs were nothing to write home about.

Speaker 2 And in terms of the name, it's based on DDT, isn't it?

Speaker 15 Oh, well, that's why I can't pronounce it. You might be able to Google it and

Speaker 15 work out phonetically, but DDT

Speaker 15 was a pesticide. I can't believe it's been so long now.
I'm having to tell the kids this.

Speaker 15 DDT was a pesticide that they were using in the 70s that was fucking dangerous and deadly and poisonous and

Speaker 15 caused cancer and all kinds of rot.

Speaker 15 And it was federally banned because it was too dangerous for humans to be exposed to.

Speaker 15 DDT, that was the name of the pesticide. So it became this perfect name for a wrestling move.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm going to screw up the quote, but I think once Jake was asked like early on on TV, like, what does DDT stand for? Or

Speaker 2 what does DDT mean?

Speaker 2 And I think his answer was the end.

Speaker 2 Oh, that's great.

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 15 it was like an earlier version of what was that stuff they were spraying on weed to kill weed 30 years ago, the government was, and then it was going to kill the people that were smoking the weed also.

Speaker 15 Some kind of, it was the earlier version of that, but they were using it on actual crops that we were then going to digest.

Speaker 2 All right. That was a very pleasant note there.
Jim, let's move on here with another question.

Speaker 2 This one,

Speaker 2 it's actually a couple questions here, was sent via the Cult Acornet Facebook group by Anthony Muriel.

Speaker 2 I know you have spoken about the split between Jared and Gulis, and a possible split between Lawler and Jarrett. Two things.

Speaker 2 How would Memphis wrestling be if the split never happened?

Speaker 2 Also,

Speaker 2 this is a separate question, how would Georgia wrestling be if Ann Gunkel had won the Georgia Wars?

Speaker 2 Those were two pivotal moments in southern wrestling. I'm curious how different those territories would be given everything that took place.

Speaker 15 Good Lord, that might be an essay question that we shouldn't have tackled at the end of the program, but briefly,

Speaker 2 it's a great question.

Speaker 2 What ifs? Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah. And that's the thing is with the Tennessee War,

Speaker 15 the thing that

Speaker 15 they were doing incredible business in every, in both ends of the territory at that time. Nick's inn, Nashville, Birmingham, Chattanooga, was still doing good business.

Speaker 15 You know, in 1977, 78,

Speaker 15 they were still doing decent houses in Nashville, but actually Chattanooga and Birmingham were always bigger towns for Nick going back to the 50s and 40s than Nashville because of the size of the buildings.

Speaker 15 But Jarrett had made Memphis and Louisville and then Lexington, which, well, he hadn't opened it yet in 77.

Speaker 15 He'd made Memphis and Louisville pretty much the number one and number two towns in the territory.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 so if they hadn't split, if Nick had still had control,

Speaker 15 I don't know that what happened to Nick's towns, Nashville, Chattanooga, and Birmingham, would have also happened to Memphis, Louisville, and later Lexington, because it was two different

Speaker 15 talent crews for the most part and two different booking operations, but it would have hampered

Speaker 15 Jarrett's expansion to make his towns bigger because Nick's

Speaker 15 at the same time were going down.

Speaker 15 So Jarrett divested himself of having to deal with the money losing half of the territory, and that's what Nick kept. Jarrett's got bigger and Nick's got smaller.

Speaker 2 In terms of that split, what if the split doesn't happen?

Speaker 15 How do you say that? Well, that's what I'm saying is it may

Speaker 15 the Nick's end may have eventually drug

Speaker 15 that, I mean, they had to break up sooner or later, but Nick's end would have drugged. Jarrett's end down more.

Speaker 2 Well, that's the big thing, I guess. Do you think the breakup had to happen, or is there a way that that for the next four or five years,

Speaker 2 Nick and Jerry Jarrett are partners and Jerry Jarrett's running the show?

Speaker 15 I don't think Nick and Jerry could have been partners because

Speaker 15 Nick would have rather been partners with George.

Speaker 15 That's the problem to begin with. George Gulis was the reason why Jarrett finally said, I'm not bringing George to Memphis.
I've seen what he's done to these other towns

Speaker 15 or what he's doing to these other towns. They were still okay, but they wouldn't be long.

Speaker 15 Without Nick being able to,

Speaker 15 even though it was two territories

Speaker 15 under one

Speaker 15 basic office,

Speaker 15 Nick still had access to guys that were coming in to work for Jarrett and vice versa. So his town stayed strong, even if Jarrett wasn't booking him.
But when

Speaker 15 It was a choice, you had to go to Tennessee to work for either Jerry Jarrett or Nick Gulis. All the talent came to work for Jarrett.
And Nick's territory, same thing as Sheik and Bruiser.

Speaker 15 Sheik was making shots. It was Luke Graham, the Sheik, a Bill of the Butt.
It was the over the hill gang, plus George and others that Nick could afford. And that's what killed Chattanooga, Birmingham.

Speaker 15 He lost Birmingham to the Fullers.

Speaker 15 He lost Chattanooga to Georgia. and then he finally ended up selling Nashville to Jarrett for a mercy payoff three years after the split

Speaker 15 because he just couldn't get the talent. And

Speaker 15 the booking was old, the territory was stale, and he was still featuring George.

Speaker 15 He didn't learn anything.

Speaker 2 Were there ever issues pre-split with Lawler? Actually, I don't know. How much was Lawler working Nashville pre-split?

Speaker 2 And were there ever issues about him not working there enough considering how much

Speaker 15 he worked in Nashville all the time when Nick owned it because he was still living in Nashville.

Speaker 15 And finally, when Jared split, that's when he moved to Memphis and he didn't want to work Nashville on Saturday nights. But he was at Nashville a lot in the days when

Speaker 15 he was working with Fargo and Dundee and all those guys. You know, he was an attraction in Nashville.

Speaker 15 And that's why

Speaker 15 74, 75,

Speaker 15 76 was really strong. And then 77, all the established talent people gave a shit about

Speaker 15 went to work for Jarrett. And Nick was bringing in, you know, guys that he could afford.
And he had George and Bobby Eaton blessing.

Speaker 2 Do you think Jerry Jarrett's wrestling would have done better than, as good as, just about the same, whatever it may be?

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 Southeastern wrestling, which would get a lot of those towns.

Speaker 15 Yeah, you know, I think Chattanooga had been with Gulis and Welch since like 1950, I believe.

Speaker 15 But it made more sense geographically to be part of the Georgia Territory.

Speaker 15 And the TV was after Nick and Roy had Harry Thornton as a partner, a local Chattanooga TV personality and morning show host, et cetera, that's where they had the great run.

Speaker 15 where they would do, they'd sell 20,000 tickets a month sometimes at the old Chattanooga memorial auditorium weekly shows

Speaker 15 but by the mid 70s chattanooga is so close to atlanta they're seeing these big main events

Speaker 15 all the top stars in the nwa coming into atlanta and they're still getting nicks guys and

Speaker 15 so it chattanooga just kind of

Speaker 15 he nicks started bringing in georgia talent to help draw and they ended up taking it over

Speaker 15 and with birmingham

Speaker 15 that was the same thing. The Fullers just took it.
They had better talent, a better show. And

Speaker 15 all Nick was left with was Nashville.

Speaker 2 The Georgia War.

Speaker 2 What happens if Van Gunkel wins? What happens if somehow, and you know, it's crazy to try to figure out the scenario that it would happen based on everything that did happen and the problems they had.

Speaker 2 But if by 1974,

Speaker 2 the NWA Georgia office was getting their ass kicked and Gunkel Promotions was winning. What happens next?

Speaker 15 If Gunkle had been able to prevail in Atlanta, that still wouldn't mean that the NWA thought any better about him.

Speaker 15 And I think the problems would have existed that they still, let's say that the same talent, because you've said and it's true that

Speaker 15 Gunkle couldn't get any talent and it just got stale and stagnant and she had nobody to bring in to replace the people that were over initially for her, right?

Speaker 15 That still would have been the case, even if she'd won in Atlanta. Even if those guys in Atlanta would have drawn money for the next five years straight,

Speaker 15 I think it would have damaged Atlanta in terms of being a wrestling center. The TV ratings would not have stayed as high to keep the two-hour Saturday night block.

Speaker 15 And it certainly wouldn't have been the late 70s

Speaker 15 must-see cable TV show with stars from all over the country, from Florida, from Georgia, from the WWWF, from wherever, everybody from Dusty to Andre,

Speaker 15 if it had just been Ann Gunkel

Speaker 15 and the rest of the promoters still cutting her off for major name talent.

Speaker 15 So then, technically,

Speaker 15 even if she'd been successful in Atlanta, it wouldn't have been a national product that would have sold on television, that people would have watched,

Speaker 15 that would have turned into

Speaker 15 Georgia Championship Wrestling, the top-rated station on

Speaker 15 TBS that would have turned into

Speaker 15 Crockett's program that would have turned into WCW.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 she may have won the war, but then there wouldn't have been the other two wars the next 20 years.

Speaker 2 What do you think? Do you see the NWA accepting her? If she wiped out Georgia Championship Wrestling, again, I don't know how that would happen.

Speaker 2 If Barnett doesn't come back and somehow she wins with the talent she has,

Speaker 2 if there's no one else running against her, and again, I don't know how that would happen. Would the NWA accept her, you think?

Speaker 15 Well, would she have wanted the NWA to accept her? Would she have applied if she was still doing well? Think about that.

Speaker 2 If it was the key to talent, if it was the key to more talent.

Speaker 15 Well, but then at the same time, the NWA'd be be pissed. See, the

Speaker 15 Bruiser, nobody, he didn't really use NWA talent, but nobody fucked with him for owning his home state. It was coexistence, right?

Speaker 15 And that had happened in other places, but not

Speaker 15 an NWA office hadn't been

Speaker 15 come, hadn't had some opposition come in and run them off and put them out of business and take over a market. Can you think of San Francisco? Joe Malkowitz got taken over by Ray Shire

Speaker 15 or Roy Shire, rather.

Speaker 15 But Ray was his brother.

Speaker 15 Ray was his brother. Yes.
Well, it's late in the day.

Speaker 15 But at the same time, I just saw letters I mentioned, I think, the other day from Gilsenberg to Jack Pfeffer said, I guess poor old Joe's never going to get his territory sorted out.

Speaker 15 They knew that with Gulis

Speaker 15 and Jarrett, they knew the the NWA knew this.

Speaker 15 Our member is an idiot and he's going to lose this. So we're not even going to fuck with it.
But

Speaker 15 when it was a legitimate office doing well and these upstarts take everything

Speaker 15 and fucking go off, they wouldn't have taken a loss very well

Speaker 15 of one of their major markets. They would have probably tried to fight.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 15 I can't see

Speaker 15 Ann Gunkel prevailing and that company being the national powerhouse that the Georgia program turned out to be, that the Crockett program turned out to be, and then the WCW turned out to be.

Speaker 15 So it might have helped her in the short run,

Speaker 15 but it would have taken away a big opposing soldier in the war against New York.

Speaker 2 Well, one way or another, Tom Renesto was booking.

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