Episode 399: Jim Reviews WWE Night Of Champions

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Speaker 1 This isn't just a game, it's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 4 The Harlem Globetrotters 100-year tour.

Speaker 11 Celebrate 100 years of high-flying dunks, 100 years of show-stopping moves, and 100 years of changing the game.

Speaker 18 Bring the whole family and be part of the legacy.

Speaker 19 This game is once in a century.

Speaker 22 Be there at Chase Center on January 18th.

Speaker 27 Go to HarlemGlobetrotters.com for your tickets to the 100-year tour.

Speaker 32 Oh, shit, stuff's falling. There we go.

Speaker 32 Hello again, friends. And you are our friends.
And welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru on a nice summer's day,

Speaker 32 right here or right there, wherever you are. I'm your host, the great Brian Last.
We have a trip around the world today and your questions. With this man, the leader of the cult of Cornet, Mr.

Speaker 32 Jim Cornette.

Speaker 33 How do you know it's a nice day? Could be a shitty day where some people are. Some people could be hunkered down in the goddamn tornado bunkers.

Speaker 33 And you never know.

Speaker 33 They could be in the middle of a potato famine.

Speaker 33 You never know what's going. You don't just make blanket statements, assuming everybody around the world is just as bippy and cheery as you are.

Speaker 33 That started out sounding like a funeral and ended up sounding like a soundtrack to the chipmunks go to Japan.

Speaker 32 I'm working on

Speaker 32 the world is working on my silent film, Sai.

Speaker 33 i've been working on different emotions you should you should work more on being silent

Speaker 33 how about how about how about them apples you like apples how about dim apples

Speaker 33 i'm gonna tell you what here just right now today i'm in no mood to brook any tomfoolery to quote the great luthes

Speaker 33 about uh anything here today because we're we're gonna

Speaker 33 We're going to be serious here. I gave you some homework.

Speaker 33 I gave you some homework when we talked last. I said, make sure you see, did you watch

Speaker 33 the General Lee jump the fountain in Somerset, Kentucky?

Speaker 32 Oh, no, I actually didn't. I forgot about that.

Speaker 33 Oh, you know, you know, good

Speaker 33 sorry sack of fertilizer you.

Speaker 32 I think the thing that triggered the conversation about that specific thing.

Speaker 32 That was stuck on my mind. So I kind of went down that road instead of the road of

Speaker 32 the frivolous fun of whatever it is. What in the world are you?

Speaker 33 The road, all roads lead to Somerset, Kentucky when the General Lee is, no, you got to Google it right now. I want to get your live on-air reaction.
Hold on.

Speaker 33 Because ladies and gentlemen, they had a big fair, a festival of some description down in Somerset, Kentucky. And as part of the festivities.

Speaker 33 They blocked off the entire Main Street down through town for it looked like several blocks and put concrete barricades up in front of the businesses and had the General Lee

Speaker 33 drive at a high rate of speed down Main Street or whatever, and jump the goddamn fountain in the town square and then land on the other side.

Speaker 33 A semblance of landing. Have you found this yet, Mr.

Speaker 32 Last? I have indeed found it. Uh, hold on, I'll give you some uh background audio if that proves it.
Hold on,

Speaker 34 is that a balloon fountain?

Speaker 33 Yes!

Speaker 34 They run all out. Oh!

Speaker 32 Oh, let me see from this angle. Yeah.

Speaker 34 It's a compilation of different angles that this was filmed at.

Speaker 32 All right, I think I've gotten the gist of this. The general lead.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 32 Not Daisy Duke, but generally.

Speaker 33 The fountain was all blue and everything, and he goes through the top of the fountain and it just blitzes the water everywhere. And people were all, oh!

Speaker 33 And then he landed on the other side.

Speaker 33 And then one of the besides one of the doors falling off, he skidded to the left and ended up in one of those concrete barriers before he went into Aunt Fanny's thrift store and Sunday shop.

Speaker 33 Uh, but that's uh, see, that's the way you do it down in Kentucky, down in eastern Kentucky there.

Speaker 32 Yes, you honor the Dukes of Hazard.

Speaker 33 Yes,

Speaker 33 I just said the General Lee. I assume everybody knows knows

Speaker 33 that's the car from the Dukes of Hazard. But in the TV show, it was Hazard with two Zs, and Hazard, Kentucky only has one Z.

Speaker 33 And I guarantee you, back in those days, what was the blonde Duke's name? The blonde one?

Speaker 32 Not Tom Wopat, the other one.

Speaker 33 The other guy, if he'd have walked down the street in Hazard, Kentucky back in them days, somebody would have done inappropriate things things to him that we're not allowed to talk about on the air at this particular time in society.

Speaker 32 You heard it from Kentucky's biggest ambassador right here.

Speaker 33 I'll tell you what, he wouldn't have made it a sentence just that he had all of his teeth.

Speaker 32 Do you remember what triggered this conversation? What I referenced earlier? What triggered us talking about the General Lee office?

Speaker 33 Just to get you off of play in the organ. No.

Speaker 33 I just mentioned it because I just seen the clip.

Speaker 32 It was Kentucky News because I told you it was a Kentucky news story and you said, oh, was it the General Lee? And I said, said, That's right.

Speaker 32 It's about a loving couple that apparently was holding hands when the tornado hit and their arms got ripped off.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 33 And that was went in a completely different direction than where I was going with this fun

Speaker 33 fountain jumping story of a Confederate sports car. But yeah, and I said, Well, that had to be down in Laurel County.
And you looked it up, London. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 33 That was where they had the big one last month that killed 17 people.

Speaker 32 The General Lee thing, is that like when WrestleMania comes to Vegas, all the wrestling conventions and all the vendors show up? Like, if you're selling Dukes of Hazard merch, do you have to be there?

Speaker 33 Oh, yes. I mean, it's a big, it's a happening.
Not only, see, you got worlds intersecting. You got the

Speaker 33 car fans, because that's one of the classic cars, you know, with the Batmobile and whatever the fuck else is at these shows. You got the General Lee,

Speaker 33 and then you've got the classic tv fans you know 70s and 80s dukes of hazard tv fans and then you've got

Speaker 33 rednecks of all descriptions

Speaker 33 and they all converge and have the

Speaker 33 you know the general lee signs autographs yeah actually they they what they do is they they lay down for 50 bucks they lay down in front of it and the guy runs over them leave tire tracks

Speaker 32 See, I'd be trying to, if I was promoting that event, I would be trying to do some interesting things like get Lawler with his Batmobile and have have a race.

Speaker 33 Oh, I don't know if

Speaker 33 I think this fucking General Lee that jumped the goddamn fountain, it looked like it could go. I don't know if Lawler's Batmobile was for go or for show.

Speaker 33 He drove it down the goddamn,

Speaker 33 I was at a comic-con with him one time in Memphis, and he drove it from his house,

Speaker 33 wherever the fuck it was.

Speaker 33 I'm trying to think where the convention was. Anyway, it was a ballroom and a convention area at a hotel in suburban Memphis.
And he drove the Batmobile. He and his significant other at the time

Speaker 33 may still be, I don't know what his romantic, you know, I'm not trying to break him up on the air. I don't know what his status is these days.
But the point being, they're in the fucking Batmobile.

Speaker 33 It doesn't have license plates on it.

Speaker 33 And the fucking cops see a goddamn Batmobile with no license plates and pull him over, but then they see it's Lawler and they gave him a goddamn police escort the rest of the way to the comic convention, where I was two

Speaker 33 booths down from him

Speaker 33 and he's sitting beside the Batmobile on the floor of the thing, and the Batmobile plays

Speaker 33 the Batman theme song.

Speaker 33 Over and over, like every minute and a half, it loops again.

Speaker 32 Yeah, it's a short song. And it's cool.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, but it's cool when you're walking by it and you're stopping to look and take pictures, but when you're sitting there for three hours, I'm like, Jesus Christ, king, please turn that thing off for 10 minutes.

Speaker 32 All right, well, this has been Happy Talk.

Speaker 33 Well, no, come to think of it with automobiles going on,

Speaker 33 automobiles going on. I haven't told you my incredible, it's a small world

Speaker 33 story

Speaker 33 about black beauty. My

Speaker 33 poor beleaguered,

Speaker 33 you're a grown adult, reasonable, financially responsible, adult person with a family. So you can tell me that I'm right.

Speaker 33 Now, I've mentioned that Black Beauty has,

Speaker 33 well, it's now a little over 303,000 miles on it.

Speaker 33 And I'd said back in 2019 that when it got to 300,000, because it was like a 298.5 then, I was going to get a new one. It's the last vehicle I'd ever have to buy, right?

Speaker 33 But then, since then, I average now, Brian, 35 miles a week driving.

Speaker 33 And it's taken me the last six years to get the next 5,000 miles.

Speaker 33 So I would be fiscally irresponsible if I bought a new vehicle or even a used vehicle at the prices these days

Speaker 33 just to drive 35 miles a week, wouldn't I?

Speaker 32 Ask your question again.

Speaker 33 I would be fiscally irresponsible to buy a new vehicle just to drive 35 miles a week.

Speaker 32 Well, it depends on the condition of your car and how easy it's going to be to keep it in shape going forward.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 the thing is, we don't know about that yet. Because here's the thing:

Speaker 33 there's cosmetic issues, like the door handle on the inside of the driver's door is broke off. So I got to roll the window down and reach outside to open a door.

Speaker 32 So people can't escape. Okay, that's one.
What else?

Speaker 33 And Will and

Speaker 33 Willa, the handle on the other side is a little loose, too, to be honest with you.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 the air conditioning and heat, the fan has been stuck on high for about the past four years, but it doesn't in the wintertime, it doesn't matter, but in summertime, the air conditioning doesn't really cool.

Speaker 33 So it's just kind of blowing the hot air at you.

Speaker 33 And there's holes rusted in the bottoms of both of the front

Speaker 33 driver and passenger doors. And there's a couple of sensors that don't work anymore.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 you know, just a variety of cosmetic issues. But since I only drive, and I've got to drive the 35 miles a week, because within

Speaker 33 three miles of the castle here, you've got the bank, the post office, the dry cleaners, the Paul's market, the grocery store, the UPS place.

Speaker 33 You know, those and

Speaker 33 I like it. This weekend, I went over and picked up some furniture for the in-laws.
I can stick it right in the back of this giant giant thing. It's very useful around the area,

Speaker 33 but I can't see paying tens of thousands of dollars for anything to replace it at this point.

Speaker 33 So, but as it's gotten hot weather,

Speaker 33 there's a little bit of an oil leak,

Speaker 33 and also it's shuddering a little bit on the acceleration.

Speaker 33 And there's a matter of this horrible, hot, burnt rubber stench and fucking white smoke coming out from behind the front wheel

Speaker 33 as of uh

Speaker 33 last week when it got real hot

Speaker 33 and so i'm thinking well something might be wrong

Speaker 33 because that that didn't you know that didn't used to do that so i'm gonna i called

Speaker 33 yesterday

Speaker 33 and was going to take it into the place that I had the service done on it last year. They fixed it right up.
It was just running like a speckled pup

Speaker 33 and they

Speaker 33 have closed down they are gone they're gone

Speaker 33 and so i'm like what the so i look on the internet

Speaker 33 to an automotive repair place close to me and i pick the one at the top

Speaker 33 and i call it right

Speaker 33 And the guy answers and I said, yes, sir. I said, I've got a Ford expedition with really high mileage.
It's got a few issues going on and he said is this jim

Speaker 33 who is this

Speaker 33 hey this is tyler i used to work over at the other place and i used to

Speaker 33 i said you ain't they ain't in business anymore oh no i'm over here now they went out of business a big

Speaker 33 multinational corporation bought their chain, regional chain or whatever, and closed about 60 of the stores.

Speaker 33 But he's over here at this bigger, nicer, newer place now.

Speaker 33 And I

Speaker 33 buzzed right over there and I've dropped it off, and he's now addressing the issue. So, what is the chance of that?

Speaker 32 Yeah, everyone needs a David Putty. You're lucky.

Speaker 33 I've been to this previous place just the last two summers because it's not like I get regular maintenance driving that few miles, you know, but he was there. So, yeah, is this Jim?

Speaker 33 I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?

Speaker 33 So it's a small world.

Speaker 32 I think you need a new car.

Speaker 33 But no,

Speaker 32 why?

Speaker 32 What year is your car?

Speaker 33 It's a 2007 Ford Expedition.

Speaker 32 It's going to be 20 years old in a couple of years.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 are you an ageist?

Speaker 33 Are you discriminating against the aged?

Speaker 32 If it's still running over time, when it comes to functional automobiles, yes, I am.

Speaker 33 If I can get it not to have a hot, burning stench and white smoke coming out from behind the front

Speaker 32 tire, you don't even have to worry about the torture vehicle things, like the no door handle that works and the hot air that shoots out of the rusted holes.

Speaker 33 Well, no, now, you know, I've got used to, if I ride in Stacy's car,

Speaker 33 if I ride in Stacy's car to open the door, I start to roll the window down to reach out because it's been a couple of years. I've got used to it now.

Speaker 33 But there's no sense.

Speaker 32 Roll the window down. There's another, see, there's another whole thing.
Man,

Speaker 32 I would hate to be a prostitute in Louisville, like waiting on the street for someone to give them a ride.

Speaker 33 Oh, come on.

Speaker 32 They're in for trouble.

Speaker 33 I have a sign on the dashboard that says, really, this car is just fucked up.

Speaker 33 But no, there's no sense just throwing your money away, Brian, on frivolous things like cars.

Speaker 33 You know, I just need something that will haul shit around the neighborhood here.

Speaker 32 And you want size. You don't want to be in a sedan.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 32 Because size matters baby no but you don't want to be in a sedan you want to be high up off the ground you're getting used to that i want to be high

Speaker 33 oh boy i want to be

Speaker 33 um i've got yes because think about this i've driven 303 400 miles since 2007 all in that vehicle If I sit in Stacy's car, which is the Jeep thing that's kind of a mini SUV,

Speaker 33 or God bless America, in a regular car, I feel like a roller skate is sitting underneath me going down the interstate.

Speaker 33 It's very disconcerting because that's the only vehicle that I've operated for all this time.

Speaker 32 Had you ever driven a vehicle? Have you ever, had you ever driven a truck before?

Speaker 32 Before you had a truck, had you ever driven one?

Speaker 33 I didn't.

Speaker 33 Years ago, when I was on the road, I didn't

Speaker 33 like large vehicles because they were so unwieldy.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 think about this.

Speaker 33 You had fewer choices back in the old day. Bubba had a, what was 40 coniline vans.

Speaker 33 But goddamn, that thing was like driving a refrigerator down the fucking highway, right? If you got up any speed and it was not in the best repair either.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Bobby had one of those goddamn in Louisiana in 1984, he had a 76 Lincoln that those things you used to have to pay three parking meters. They were so fucking long.

Speaker 33 And then, or you got a pickup truck. A lot of the guys got a customized van.
You couldn't take a pickup truck on the road.

Speaker 33 That was a big vehicle, but there weren't these SUVs that are kind of like the middle ground between light and shadow. So I always just had something that got good gas mileage because

Speaker 33 I've never owned a vehicle since I've been in the wrestling business that I put under 175,000 miles on.

Speaker 33 So,

Speaker 33 but then

Speaker 33 the guy over in Lexington that was the dealer to the stars over at Paul Miller Ford, Donnie P.,

Speaker 33 he got me to get a Lincoln Navigator.

Speaker 33 And I liked that you could haul things and it was very comfortable and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 But it got brain damaged. Actually, that is the one vehicle I didn't put 100 and whatever thousand miles on.
It got brain damage and I traded it in and got this one.

Speaker 33 Its computer brain couldn't function properly and it was not

Speaker 33 telling the right, giving the right signals to the fucking engine.

Speaker 32 See, that's the other thing. Even if you got a new car,

Speaker 32 as much as I think once you adapted, you would like modern conveniences, all mod-cons.

Speaker 32 But no, I don't have to adapt to a screen, to everything kind of being smart now in the car, no matter what you got.

Speaker 33 No, I'm not driving anything smarter than I am.

Speaker 33 I've driven 1.3 million miles or whatever it was we figured out at one point successfully so far. I'm not letting a car take over, but no, Stacey's car has a thing where it'll break if it

Speaker 33 if it thinks you haven't broken properly, it'll broke for you or swerve or beep or honk or fucking talk to you and says get out of the way you dumb shit it honks i never heard of a car that does that it does all kinds of it's it it it makes me a nervous wreck no i'll not be having any of that i want the the car will do what i tell the car to do

Speaker 33 i am i am the pilot it is my tool

Speaker 33 well what are you speaking to tools how are you what are you going to do when your plane is decommissioned mr pilot well then that's how i'm going to stay on the ground

Speaker 32 You're going to get a bicycle? I'm going to, I'm, no, everything's within three miles of your house. You said it.
Just get a bicycle with a basket.

Speaker 33 No, fuck you. What do you think I am? Margaret Hamilton?

Speaker 32 Goddamn.

Speaker 32 Plenty of other people ride around on their bicycles with their baskets.

Speaker 32 I am going to.

Speaker 33 I am going to fix the engine or the Framostat or whatever's going on in the in Black Beauty, and it will continue to carry me around at the rate of 35 miles a week for the next several years until I'm too old and shriveled to go out and do these things I do all the time.

Speaker 32 And they have no idea what the burnt rubber smell or the white smoke is.

Speaker 33 Well, I haven't heard back yet. I'm waiting to hear back now.
On the they're going to take it out now that it's getting hot here and it stopped raining. See if it rains, it cools it off.

Speaker 33 You need a good, hot, sunny, bright, miserable fucking day with the heat beating down, and then drive it in some traffic for a while. And then

Speaker 33 it

Speaker 33 starts stinking.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, like this show.
Speaking of stinking, Jim. Yeah.
What do you got? We got a great show. We got lots of questions.
We got a Saudi Arabia review.

Speaker 33 Hey, you know what? We also want to say Robert Foreman.

Speaker 33 From Lake Arthur, Louisiana, sent us a nice email. He's had some health issues the last quite a while, and we hope he feels better.
And Robert, we love you.

Speaker 33 We want to say that and get that here at the top of the program before anything gets lost.

Speaker 32 Yeah, feel better and the show will get better, Robert.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 you know, he was already liking it. See, now you've pointed out shit to him he hadn't noticed before.

Speaker 32 How can he not notice? No. Feel better, Robert.
And the show really will get better.

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Speaker 33 because once we get rid of this stuff, we ain't going to have this stuff anymore. We're going to get new stuff.

Speaker 32 And then the stuff that is already collectibles will become rare collectibles. So get it now.

Speaker 33 And then we'll buy it back and resell it for more money.

Speaker 32 Oh, a buyback program.

Speaker 33 This is getting interesting. Yeah.
See, I rethought the corny bucks thing.

Speaker 33 I figure I'll just, what I'll do

Speaker 33 is I'll wait until this shit's really valuable, and then I'll go to everybody and buy it back for the same thing that I sold it to them for, and then I'll resell it for more money.

Speaker 32 All right. Once again, Continental on sale, whoever wants to buy this territory.
But, Jim, let's move on here with the show. And because we have a ton of Saudi Arabia news.

Speaker 32 Oh, and by the way, on the topic of merch, I should say drive-through shirts, corny shirts, Travis Eckle artwork shirts, ArcadiaVangard.com, or on the shop app,

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Speaker 26 Be there at Chase Center on January 18th go to harlemglotrotters.com for your tickets to the 100 year tour

Speaker 32 why don't we start with some from the files here before we uh go to saudi arabia and i know we've been doing paul heyman uh well now wait a minute no you've been doing paul heyman what i meant to say is i know we've been

Speaker 33 what did he write to you jim that night with you was so special oh come on now he said thank you for one of the greatest nights of my life but it was at sabatino's So, you know.

Speaker 32 I'll wait for you at the tunnel. I think that's what it said.

Speaker 33 No, he did not say that.

Speaker 33 He did not say there was nothing about a tunnel involved. It was behind a dumpster, but we're not going there either.

Speaker 32 No, not today.

Speaker 32 But we will return to the Paul Heyman file, but we're going to take a break and visit a different file. I bumped into one that was also surprisingly large,

Speaker 32 like the Paul Heyman file.

Speaker 32 And let me grab this here.

Speaker 33 Shockingly big file.

Speaker 32 Jim, I have in my hand.

Speaker 33 And of course, by the way, you didn't even mention this is from the files of the wrestling news that are held and curated by Arcadian Vanguard.

Speaker 32 That is correct.

Speaker 32 Everything that was a part of the collection of the wrestling news, Pro Wrestling Enterprises, Wrestling Review, The Rings Wrestling, Major League Wrestling Programs, and various other publications.

Speaker 32 And this is the Gory Guerrero file.

Speaker 33 Oh, no.

Speaker 32 Oh, yes. No, he was a fine man.
It was not.

Speaker 33 No, I just said, oh, no, that's a man. I would have never picked that name out in a million years.

Speaker 33 I would have even thought he had a large file, but apparently it's ginormous.

Speaker 32 Well, let me get through. There's a lot of pictures of the family members, the various family members.
Here's an original piece of artwork.

Speaker 32 Gory Guerrero, Mexico's contribution to the wrestling world, has made himself quite a name with his cyclonic. and aggressive style.
Wrestling knowledge unlimited.

Speaker 32 And there's some artwork there. Maybe we'll post that one after the fact.
I'm trying to get this in correspondence. Lots and lots of family pictures.
A whole bunch of pictures.

Speaker 33 Now, what era?

Speaker 32 Everything. Seemingly.
Everything. Seemingly Gorey's career and everything from the start of the career of his children.
I don't know if there's too much of Eddie Guerrero here. I'll have to check.

Speaker 32 Again, this is a gigantic. Here's this is a Jim Cornette photo of Hector.
Yeah, Hector Guerrero, photo by Jim Cornette. What'd you think of Hector in Mexico?

Speaker 32 What'd you think of Hector in Memphis in, what, 81?

Speaker 33 No, 79.

Speaker 32 Oh, 79.

Speaker 33 He was 79. He was tremendous because here's the thing.

Speaker 33 Hector, obviously, Guerrero was well versed in the lucha style, but he also could work with Americans and incorporate lucha into

Speaker 33 the American style so that it didn't come off

Speaker 33 caca.

Speaker 33 And of course, now bear in mind, this was 1979, so both Mexican and American wrestling looked a lot more legitimate then.

Speaker 33 But it was because he had a completely different style.

Speaker 33 He was doing the flying head scissors, but instead of the Ricky and Robert Gibson Americanized flying head scissors, he was doing the ankle, where they would jump up and he'd fucking catch the guy's head with his ankles and fucking spin and take him down.

Speaker 33 And the

Speaker 33 reverse fucking presses where he'd reverse direction in midair and the big flying leg drops and all his shit. And it was exciting because he was the one guy on the card doing that style.
And as a

Speaker 33 smaller,

Speaker 33 he was still, he was six feet tall, but he was thin.

Speaker 33 But as a smaller baby face

Speaker 33 doing the flying, it made sense. The bigger heels couldn't deal with it.
And he could sell his ass off properly and get fucking heat on the heel and then make a fiery comeback. He was really good.

Speaker 33 And the fans loved him because they hadn't seen that

Speaker 33 type of work.

Speaker 32 Of course, the famous angle where Austin Idol was the Mente Negro produced the famous line from Lance Russell: Hector, tell him in Mexican to get out of here.

Speaker 33 Yeah, yeah, the no-good son of a guy.

Speaker 32 I have a letter here to Norman Keitzer when he was still in New York. This This is from International City Wrestling Club, Wrestling Lucha Libre, El Paso, Texas,

Speaker 32 June 11th, 1974.

Speaker 33 Of course, we should mention Gory Guerrero was the promoter in El Paso by this time.

Speaker 32 That's right. Actually,

Speaker 32 the actual letter, unlike the letterhead

Speaker 32 on the envelope, the letter says Guerrero Resources Inc. under Wrestling Lucha Libre.

Speaker 32 Dear Mr. Keitzer, received the magazines and have sold some, and look forward to perhaps being able to build the sales up.

Speaker 32 In reference as to who we would like to see in the Western Edition here in El Paso, the popular boys are Ricky Romero, Dory Funk Jr., and the Kozak Brothers.

Speaker 32 There are also two very good Mexican lady wrestlers, which I will make an effort to furnish you copy and pictures in the near future, which might be more than worth while considering for your publication also.

Speaker 32 Yeah, that is the way it says that. Yes.
Enclosed is some information which I thought you would like to have. Didn't know if you had this particular information in your files or not.

Speaker 32 Anytime I could be of assistance, don't hesitate to ask. Sincerely, Salvador Guerrero Jr., Gory Guerrero.

Speaker 32 And it's signed and he attached. From a magazine, and I'm not sure which one, the history of the world's junior heavyweight championship by Leroy McGurk.

Speaker 32 And it says it's written in apparently pencil here.

Speaker 32 Found the missing link to the world's light heavyweight championship. On next page,

Speaker 32 seem it later became the junior heavyweight until the tournament in Chicago. I am sure Leroy McGurk would know more about it.

Speaker 32 So I guess there was some question about the

Speaker 32 title and who had it and what claim people had. I I mean, obviously, the picture is here: Rip Kirby, John Swensky, Varn Gagne, Leroy McGurk, Danny McShane, Baron Leone.

Speaker 32 The junior heavyweight title did have a weird history in terms of its placement on the card and the people who had it. At a certain point, they stopped being elevated to anything past that point.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 there was more legitimate call for a world junior heavyweight champion in the

Speaker 33 40s and 50s, and some even into the 60s, because of Danny Hodge. I mean, he was a special case.

Speaker 33 He carried it for all of the 60s for the most part, and dropped it for a month to Sputnik Monroe in Oklahoma to win it back. And Sputnik was scared to fucking death.

Speaker 33 He didn't want it because he didn't want Danny to beat him up trying to get it back.

Speaker 33 But there were junior heavyweight territories. Tennessee was one.
They used

Speaker 33 at one point, Nick Gulis and Roy Welch used the

Speaker 33 World Junior Heavyweight title,

Speaker 33 and even in the pre-TV days as as their

Speaker 33 you know holy grail championship rather than the the world heavyweight title because it was a

Speaker 33 lighter or junior heavyweight territory and some of the other territories in the south were like that but

Speaker 33 you know except for hodge like i say you know in the 60s really it had

Speaker 33 it had kind of gone by the wayside in the early 70s ken mantel

Speaker 33 i can't believe the same balding, pudgy, sad, beagle-faced motherfucker that was my booker in 1985, was the world junior heavyweight wrestling champion in 1975.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 it wasn't drawing any money and it would be featured,

Speaker 33 you know, if

Speaker 33 a popular Hispanic star in California was going to go for it, or

Speaker 33 Nick and Roy would still feature a world junior heavyweight title match every once in a while but for the most part it was near

Speaker 32 some photos here just looking at the captions at the back or on the back of these i should say chavo guerrero gets tangled up in the ropes after a dory funk attack who chavo pinned

Speaker 32 and the photos by michael ano

Speaker 32 but instead of like a c with a circle for copyright it has an r circled i guess it's restricted use

Speaker 32 here's another photo possibly ripped off Balderis Bullring, September 3rd, 1967, Juarez, Mexico. Gorey Guerrero with a vicious knee lift that sends the medic number one reeling.

Speaker 32 Photo by Bill Mobley, Amarillo, Texas.

Speaker 33 Oh.

Speaker 33 Yeah, a lot of those old 60s photos are from Bill Mobley. Never met the gentleman, but I recognize the name.

Speaker 32 And here, you know, once again, here's another letter from Gorey to Norm Keitzer going over this history.

Speaker 32 May 8th, 74, dear mister Keitzer, I'm enclosing a complete history of the light heavyweight championship belt to the best of my knowledge.

Speaker 32 Also, I'm answering your questions as honestly and as impartially as to help you along with the story that I appreciate very much.

Speaker 32 Here are the questions.

Speaker 32 I know that you still wrestle occasionally, but do you still today claim to be the world's light heavyweight champion?

Speaker 32 Yes, I still wrestle, and I still still claim the championship. I promote in El Paso and Juarez, Mexico at the same time.

Speaker 32 And it's here that I mostly defend my title. So let's stop there.
We're talking about the light heavyweight championship. Here's Gory Guerrero saying he's the champion at 74, at least in his towns.

Speaker 33 Well, now, the light heavyweight and the junior heavyweight title was two different things. And

Speaker 33 the light heavyweight championship

Speaker 33 had been

Speaker 33 one of the traditional belts in Mexico because they all had small, they had more weight classes that were actually pushed, had stars in them.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I don't know what their situation was with the light heavyweight title, but maybe with the documents that he had there, he's trying to draw some type of lineage

Speaker 33 to the light heavyweight title, or at least the one he claimed and the junior heavyweight title in the States or whatever. But it wasn't

Speaker 33 uncommon for a lot of the big stars in Lucha Libre to

Speaker 33 have a belt. And didn't Moscaris just keep some kind of belt for like decades?

Speaker 32 Was it Eddie Einhorn?

Speaker 33 It might have been that. Yeah, I think it was.
He just said, fuck it, I'll just keep it because I never lost it.

Speaker 33 They would keep the belt if they never happened to lose it, or even if they did happen to lose it, but not a lot of people heard about it. They just claim to still be the champion.

Speaker 33 And he's defending it in the two towns he promotes. So, you know, I don't know that it was a hot national and international championship at that point.

Speaker 32 Question two: Again, these are written questions that were submitted to Gory Guerrero.

Speaker 32 It is not myself, but the National Wrestling Alliance that recognizes the claim of the title of Ray Mendoza.

Speaker 32 Since your promotions are under the banner of the NWA, do you recognize Mendoza? The answer, definitely no.

Speaker 32 I will not recognize anybody until I'm defeated in the ring for the belt.

Speaker 33 In one of the two towns that I've promoted.

Speaker 32 Question three,

Speaker 32 would you like to wrestle Mendoza for the title? His claim against yours, with the winner becoming undisputed champion?

Speaker 32 Assuming that, Mendoza would sign for such a match, and the percentage were right for both of you.

Speaker 32 The answer? Yes, I am sure Mendoza would sign, but the wrestling promoter in Mexico City, Mr. Salvador Luderoth Jr., would not let him.

Speaker 32 In the 1971 NWA convention in Mexico City, with the hopes of ridding of the problem for promotional purposes, I offered to do so and was turned down.

Speaker 32 I must confess that before the title stripping in 1966, they had made a similar offer to do in 1963.

Speaker 32 I had then started my promotions here and the contract was not direct, so I turned it down. I came in through the wrestlers union, and I was not getting along with them at that time.

Speaker 33 Now, and by the way, he's not bullshitting in Mexico, they have, or they had at one time, I guess they still have a wrestlers union, And some of the commissions actually treat,

Speaker 33 or treated, again, the business legitimately at that point. So there was all kinds of shit you could do.

Speaker 32 And again, talking about these issues, the NWA convention in Mexico City,

Speaker 32 he was stripped to the title. He was willing to unify it or have a big champion versus champion or claim versus claim match and Salvador Ludarov.
That's CML,

Speaker 32 but he turned it down.

Speaker 33 Well, and

Speaker 33 that's like a even more than the United States, there was always guys that when they were on the outs with a promoter, I ain't going to book that son of a bitch, right?

Speaker 32 But no one more. They carry it.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, they carry it to this day that

Speaker 33 one of their wrestlers can't work on a show where another of the company wrestlers is on and all this stuff and everything. So they blackball people heavy down here.

Speaker 32 The next question. You enclosed a list of championship matches in which you defended the title from 1960 to 1967.

Speaker 32 Have you defended the belt you hold since then?

Speaker 32 The answer?

Speaker 32 Yes, four times more, and getting ready for another title defense this month.

Speaker 33 Four times in seven years?

Speaker 32 The next question?

Speaker 32 I believe you have two sons who are professional wrestlers.

Speaker 32 Though I am not sure of this, would you please include some photos of them and also any short information so I can include a mention in the story?

Speaker 32 I have a family of six, is the answer: four boys and two girls. Three of my boys are wrestling professionally.
I'm including a picture of each separately with their respective school record.

Speaker 32 So, this is early before anyone really knew about all the kids.

Speaker 33 Well, now, wait, what date did you say it was? 74?

Speaker 32 74. It is May 8th, 74.

Speaker 33 When did Shabo

Speaker 33 first start

Speaker 33 getting attention in LA?

Speaker 32 Was it 75?

Speaker 32 Because by 76, he was over there. So it must be 75.

Speaker 33 And Mondo followed him to LA,

Speaker 33 or I don't mean followed him, but came afterwards.

Speaker 33 Hector was younger, so this would have been right about the year before anybody knew

Speaker 33 really nationally or widely who the Guerreros were. But then, you know, Chavo was on Georgia TV and they spread quickly.

Speaker 32 The next question.

Speaker 32 As a promoter, are you a member of the National Wrestling Alliance or associated with an NWA booking office? From the wrestlers on the cards, I assume you work with the Amarillo booking office.

Speaker 32 Here's the answer. I am not a member of the NWA.
That's because I do not have a booking office, but work with the booking office in Amarillo.

Speaker 32 The Funk Boys?

Speaker 32 That's actually the whole sentence. The Funk Boys.

Speaker 32 The Juarez promotion is completely independent from the El Paso office. And there I am supposed to be bucking Ludaroff.

Speaker 32 And he is a member of the Alliance.

Speaker 32 So let's stop there. Him running any town in Mexico is him bucking Salvador Ludaroff.

Speaker 33 Yeah, well, and El Paso, for anybody not familiar with Texas geography, is in West Texas, about as far West Texas as you can get.

Speaker 33 And it's actually a bigger city than either Amarillo or Lubbock, at least it used to be.

Speaker 33 And it was when we were out there in 85,

Speaker 33 when even when Amarillo and Lubbock were kind of like, blah, well, we did $8,000 or $12,000, you go to El Paso, it's $30,000 at $6 and $8 tickets or whatever.

Speaker 33 So.

Speaker 33 That was, since Gory Guerrero, that was his hometown, he had the ends and could get

Speaker 33 favorable rates on things or the building or the TV or whatever the case. He was the local promoter for

Speaker 33 world class in that city. But then

Speaker 33 world class didn't run anything in Mexico. So he's jumping over to Juarez and using completely different talent that were lucha guys exclusively.

Speaker 33 But he's got the ends in that building in that town also for the building and whatever. So he can promote that.
He's doing his own thing.

Speaker 32 The final question here: at this time, in 1974, if you do not seek a match with Mendoza, how do you think the situation of the world's light heavyweight championship should be settled?

Speaker 32 The answer:

Speaker 32 I do seek a match with Mendoza, but I doubt it will come about.

Speaker 32 I am of the firm belief that championships are one and lost in the ring and not because of promotional differences.

Speaker 32 I have offered to settle the whole thing under their conditions. But the response has been negative.

Speaker 32 I do confess that if an offer would be made now, I would let my promotional desires influence me.

Speaker 32 I would like them to be recognized and dealt with as far as Mexico City is concerned. I hope you find all this material useful in preparing the story on the light heavyweight championship belt.

Speaker 32 If I may be of any other service to you, please feel free to call on me in regards to this or any other matter. Thanking you again, I am yours truly, Salvador Gore Guerrero.

Speaker 33 How old was he at that point in 1974?

Speaker 32 Well, that's the thing. When I said, you know, he was saying he was still the champion, you know, in 74.
I know he was still wrestling. A lot of guys never retire, but you know, he was up there.

Speaker 32 I mean, he was El Santo's partner years and years earlier.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, but I mean, like, the chic had the U.S. belt until forever.

Speaker 33 So, but again, he was defending it on, you know, his own shows and/or then, you know, whoever would book him, but he wasn't about to lose it.

Speaker 32 But he was born in 21.

Speaker 33 So he was 53

Speaker 33 at that point in time and apparently on the outs with,

Speaker 33 you know, the office, as they say.

Speaker 33 And say that's the.

Speaker 33 I think when Adrian Street,

Speaker 33 because he got sideways with

Speaker 33 joint promotions and he started doing independent shit, which is why he ended up, you know, moving to the States. But

Speaker 33 I think he had kept some kind of belt or championship or was still the champion, hadn't dropped it, or whatever.

Speaker 33 And it happens, especially in international wrestling and in the older days where there wasn't

Speaker 33 as much control over the

Speaker 33 particular promotions championship as

Speaker 33 happened because everybody kept doing this shit.

Speaker 32 Here's the bios he sent of his children. Sal Chavo Guerrero,

Speaker 32 four-year varsity letterman in high school, team champion in 1967.

Speaker 32 1969 to 1971, two-year letterman in college, UTEP.

Speaker 32 1968,

Speaker 32 third place in Mexico Olympic tryouts.

Speaker 33 I didn't know that.

Speaker 32 Only El Pasoan to make the varsity team in college.

Speaker 32 1972 to 1974, Jefferson High School coach in wrestling and football, football district champs, wrestling district champs.

Speaker 32 In two years, have developed the team to sixth place in the state of Texas in wrestling. His high school wrestling record 38, 9, and 1.
College record 24 and 4.

Speaker 32 Armando Guerrero, Mondo, 67 city champs by team, 68 city champion, 120-pound weight division, captain of the wrestling team for two years,

Speaker 32 68-69, have four second-place medals and one first-place medal.

Speaker 32 Three years of judo, ranked as a first-degree purple belt, Shotokan. in Mexico.

Speaker 32 Summer of 68 participated in the juvenile games. Wuegos.

Speaker 33 They were just so silly.

Speaker 32 Wuegos Juveniles, held in Veracruz, Mexico, was eliminated.

Speaker 32 And also, this Hector here, I won't go through everything. A lot of the same stuff.
Two years judo orange belt, four years of football. So this is early in everyone's career.

Speaker 32 And again, the promoter is now in touch with the person like we've dealt with with previous episodes of From the Files, selling him programs, selling him magazines, things he could sell at the newsstand.

Speaker 33 And, And,

Speaker 33 you know, the West edition

Speaker 33 that Norm Keitzer had referenced in the letter was they did NWA East, which covered the Carolinas and

Speaker 33 the Tennessee Territory and Georgia and Florida, but NWA West was for the

Speaker 33 Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana.

Speaker 33 Where's the state I'm searching for? Missouri, McGurk, Missouri, and Arkansas, that area, and out into West Texas.

Speaker 33 And they had a separate edition trying to feature those wrestlers, especially with them on the cover, so they could sell more magazines.

Speaker 32 I have here another letter. This is part of an envelope with a bunch of stuff.
This is slightly before the previous thing I read, but I guess it may clarify some of it. March 12, 74.

Speaker 32 Dear Mr. Keitzer, I received your request this past week, and I hope that the information I have will be of value to you.
As a courtesy to you, I phoned Mexico City, Mexico in your behalf.

Speaker 32 Ray Mendoza is still champion. El Solitario has not regained the title.
As a point of interest, which I believe you are not aware of, is that I possess the original, that's in caps,

Speaker 32 light heavyweight world's championship belt.

Speaker 32 I won this championship belt on July 29th, 1960, in Mexico City from Ray Mendoza.

Speaker 32 I have today this belt in my possession.

Speaker 33 Now, wait a minute. Hold on.

Speaker 33 Stop the presses for a second.

Speaker 33 He won the, this is 1974. He won the belt in 1960 from the guy that currently has the belt now.

Speaker 32 That currently has the championship now, I guess.

Speaker 33 Well, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 33 Yes.

Speaker 33 Well, boy, talk about stale at the top of the card, but go ahead.

Speaker 32 I have today this belt in my possession because I refuse to defend my championship belt exclusively in Mexico. That's in caps exclusively.

Speaker 32 The reason for this was that the conditions and percentages were not compatible.

Speaker 32 As a result of my action, I was stripped of the belt and the title without any notice.

Speaker 32 The NWA, in parentheses, Mexico City, created another belt and title to be available for future competitions. I have enclosed documents and photos supporting my statements.

Speaker 32 I have other documents, should you desire them, should you wish to write an article on this in caps, injustice, injustice.

Speaker 33 So it sounds like that he

Speaker 33 said the percentages weren't right. He wasn't making any money in Mexico with this belt, but Gory Guerrero had runs in Texas and different places in the United States.

Speaker 33 I don't know his career verbatim off the top of my head, but it sounds like he went and wasn't working for them in Mexico when he had a better fucking spot.

Speaker 33 And they said, fuck it, and stripped him of the belt. Is that what it sounds like to you?

Speaker 32 Do you know that no matter where you might look, that there is no record of my having won this light heavyweight championship of the world?

Speaker 32 I thought that since you asked about the championship record, that this might be of special interest to you for a feature article.

Speaker 32 I am most willing to cooperate with you completely on the facts, pictures, or other documents you may desire.

Speaker 32 Yours in wrestling, Sal Gorey Guerrero.

Speaker 32 And with this package

Speaker 32 appears to be copies of handwritten notes of his matches.

Speaker 32 Good lord. Al Cache, Juarez, Mexico, Medic, Kozak.
There appear to be photocopies. from the mid-70s about him winning the title.
Again, more. It appears to be his notes.

Speaker 32 And then there's just copies of other letters. Here's a copy of a letter from Salvador Ludarolf, but it's in Spanish, so I'm not going to try.

Speaker 32 He has lots of like official documents he's attached here. Here's a copy of a telegram in Spanish about the whole thing.
Is there anything in English here?

Speaker 33 Well, you know, if we could find somebody that could interpret this, we might could get to the bottom of this long-stirring controversy about whether or not Gory Guerrero got screwed out of the light heavyweight title.

Speaker 32 Here's a letter, which came first here. This is, I'll read this one first.

Speaker 32 September 27th, 1962, the Mexico City Commission,

Speaker 32 Florida number 10, 20 Peso, Mexico City, DF Mexico.

Speaker 32 Gentlemen, at the recent convention of the National Wrestling Alliance in St.

Speaker 32 Louis, Missouri, on August 24th and 25th, the membership has decided to vacate the light heavyweight title as recognized by our organization.

Speaker 32 Gory Guerrero, who has held the title, has been wrestling and apparently booking wrestlers around El Paso and thus has not defended the title in Mexico City where he originally won it.

Speaker 33 Aha!

Speaker 32 We felt that Salvador Ludaroth, who is a member of our organization, should have the services of the light heavyweight champion and have,

Speaker 32 therefore, informed him, also,

Speaker 32 the promoters of Houston, in addition to

Speaker 32 the promoters of Houston, Texas area, to begin a tournament, and the winner of the tournament will be recognized as the new light heavyweight champion by our alliance.

Speaker 32 Signor Luderoth was unable to attend our meeting due to other businesses and had no idea that such a resolution would be adopted.

Speaker 32 When a new champion is crowned, and if Gory Guerrero wants to challenge this champion later, we will have every right to do so.

Speaker 32 Would like to hear from your organization as to whether you will go along with the National Wrestling Alliance in the recognition of a new light heavyweight champion.

Speaker 32 Sincerely, Sam Mushnick, Executive Secretary, National Wrestling Alliance.

Speaker 33 And this letter was addressed to a variety of people or who specifically.

Speaker 32 This was addressed to the Mexico City Commission. Ah.
Who wrote back?

Speaker 33 Oh.

Speaker 32 Here's a letter, and it looks like this is in English from the Commission de Boxi Lucha Libre, November 13th, 1962, Sam Mushnick,

Speaker 32 the Claridge Hotel, St. Louis.

Speaker 32 Sir,

Speaker 32 we acknowledge receipt of your letter of September 2 referring to your alliance's decision to vacate the light heavyweight title. The contents of your second paragraph are absolutely incorrect.

Speaker 32 Gory Guerrero has defended the title in Mexico City on two occasions against the former champion Ray Mendoza and against Suji Cito.

Speaker 32 In addition, we have gathered enough information to learn that Gory Guerrero is at present one of the most active champions,

Speaker 32 having defended his title from all the outstanding contenders in his class.

Speaker 32 The mere fact,

Speaker 32 there's a red X next to this one, the mere fact that Gory Guerrero does not wish to sell his services to the Mexican promoter Ludaroth

Speaker 32 is not, to the thinking of this commission, reason enough to deprive Gory Guerrero from his well-earned title.

Speaker 32 The Mexico City Boxing and Wrestling Commission, as affiliate of the National Wrestling Association of America, will continue recognizing Gory Guerrero as world's light heavyweight champion as long as he is recognized by the National Wrestling Association of America, or he is defeated in the ring by a better man.

Speaker 32 Signed Jose

Speaker 32 Govarubia,

Speaker 32 the wrestling,

Speaker 32 that word I can't really make out, the Mexico City Boxing and Wrestling Commission.

Speaker 33 But hey, you don't mess with Jose

Speaker 33 Gargiola.

Speaker 32 What do you think of the fact that

Speaker 32 Sam Mushtick sent this letter and that they said no?

Speaker 33 Well, as I said, the commissions down there were not

Speaker 33 beholden to the promotions, and

Speaker 33 they are, I guess, still possibly an independent body.

Speaker 33 And then the different promoters, they would try to, you know,

Speaker 33 excommunicate some of these guys, but the commission would need, and they would treat it like it was a fucking shoot.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I'm sure that since Salvador Luderoth was the NWA promoter in Mexico, when they had the meeting, he told Sam Mushnick, ah, this fucking guy is running his own shows. He's booking these other guys.

Speaker 33 He's not defending the title. And so they stripped him in absentia

Speaker 33 and then sent that letter and

Speaker 33 they got it sent back to him.

Speaker 33 That's why they're, they're,

Speaker 33 even if a, if a,

Speaker 33 the way that I understand it, and again, if they've changed it in modern times, you know, somebody let me know, but I think it's still the case that if you hold one of the recognized championships, the promotions themselves, at least until modern times, didn't control

Speaker 33 a championship in Mexico. It was whoever won it could quit one promotion and go to the next one.
And,

Speaker 33 you know, the commission would back them up because they were still, you know, the champion,

Speaker 33 which led to much more ill will. That's what what I'm saying.

Speaker 32 Imagine if it was like that here. If you jump from one company to another, you just take the title, not just the title, but the actual recognition of the championship with you.
Yeah.

Speaker 32 Crazy.

Speaker 33 Crazy.

Speaker 32 Here I have a newspaper article. July 1964, El Paso, Texas, 1840, see Wild Gory Sheik bout.

Speaker 32 And there are a ton of photos of this bout that look like a bloody mess.

Speaker 32 Gory Guerrero and the Sheik were licking their wounds today after staging one of the wildest wrestling matches in recent seasons.

Speaker 32 All rules were out the window during last night's frantic test at the Coliseum, which lasted 22 minutes and got nowhere.

Speaker 32 Both fighters were disqualified. Hold on there.
22 minutes for the Sheik. What do you think of that?

Speaker 33 Well, but no, no, here's the this was several things is 1964.

Speaker 33 Because remember in the 50s, he was athletic. He took bumps.
He, you know, did business. And also, because he's in West Texas, he's working for Dory Sr.
and that office.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Dory Sr. and the sheik went so far back, he would come down and work extended periods for Dory Sr., even when he had just bought his own territory and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 And he would, you know, he had to work in Texas at that point. So

Speaker 33 he was still a guy that, you know, would get in there and work hard and not do

Speaker 33 all of the crazy shit in five minutes. But it's

Speaker 33 Sputnik Monroe told us all one time, he said, yeah,

Speaker 33 Dory Sr. called me up and said, Sputz, can you come into

Speaker 33 Amarillo? I've had the chic down here for a month. Everybody works like the chic.
I need somebody to teach them to take bumps again.

Speaker 33 But, you know, but he would put in time and do his shit.

Speaker 32 A paid crowd of 1840,

Speaker 32 second largest of the year, had little respite during a brawl in which both strongmen slugged one another through the ropes and drew blood.

Speaker 32 The sheik started the illegal activities by using a small stick to open a wound on Guerrero's forehead.

Speaker 32 But the crowd roared in approval when Guerrero snared the dubious weapon and slashed a cut across the sheik's head.

Speaker 33 Referee Lee

Speaker 32 Referee Lee Artega had little luck controlling the match and received almost as much punishment as the principals.

Speaker 32 Artega and both fighters were splattered by blood.

Speaker 32 The Sheik added to Guerrero's misery by walloping his head against a ring post, then biting him on the forehead.

Speaker 32 Referee Artega finally decided to halt the match after both fighters took turns belting him to the canvas.

Speaker 32 The match ended without a fall, thus, squelching Guerrero's hopes of a quick revenge for a previous drubbing handed out by the chic.

Speaker 32 The slugfest continued after the bell until both fighters were separated by wrestlers who jumped into the ring.

Speaker 32 The mysterious medics made it eight in a row in the other headliner by quieting gentleman Ed Sharp and Hangman Bud Cody in 33 minutes. I'm not too familiar with them.
Do you know them?

Speaker 32 Uh,

Speaker 33 was Ed Sharp?

Speaker 33 I'm thinking of Ed Miller, the third Miller brother. Not that I don't think Ed Sharp was related to Mike and Ben, or was he? But I don't know.
I don't know Bud.

Speaker 33 But see, that's the thing is

Speaker 33 they shot an angle. That was an angle.
They had, it went out there, big fucking double juice, bloody the referee up, no contest, pull apart.

Speaker 33 They probably came back the next week with a cage or, you know, a strap match or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 33 And 1,800 people for, this was El Paso, right, or was it?

Speaker 32 El Paso, July 64.

Speaker 33 For El Paso, a couple thousand people.

Speaker 33 In the old building, there wasn't bad. And they probably did better for the rematch because of that publicity.

Speaker 32 Yeah, what do you think of doing like a match like that?

Speaker 32 I mean, assuming they had an idea this was going to be one of their better drawing crowds of the year, this was the second best as of this point in July, Midway.

Speaker 32 Doing a match like that,

Speaker 32 do people feel fulfilled? Like, okay, we've seen it, or is the reaction we need to see more of it?

Speaker 33 No, that was

Speaker 33 the predominant, overwhelming feeling in the building at that point in time in wrestling was

Speaker 33 we still want to see a fucking sheet get his ass kicked by Gorey.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 when we watch TV next week, are they going to give Gory a stipulation where, you know, we can control this fucking guy?

Speaker 33 Oh, it's a cage. Yes, I want to go back.

Speaker 33 The people went

Speaker 33 to see the babyface win. And if you got them hooked in the program, they would go until the babyface won.

Speaker 33 that's why

Speaker 33 jerry lawler and jimmy valiant did i think

Speaker 33 like 11 out of 13 weeks in memphis and the same thing in louisville and that dundee and lawler did

Speaker 33 nine or 10 out of 11 or 12 weeks in 77 because the people just kept coming and coming to see until

Speaker 33 the babyface finally gets even

Speaker 33 And now they did, oh, we've seen that match already. Well, they'd all be different fucking matches.

Speaker 33 Every single one of them would be different with different rules and different finishes and different happenings in them.

Speaker 33 But now people are like, oh, we've seen that match.

Speaker 33 That defeats the whole purpose of fucking wrestling.

Speaker 32 Well, Jim, to finish these results here, the Medics victory was made difficult by the handcuffs used to keep one of them chained to the ring post.

Speaker 32 Other matches, Paul Harrison and Arnold Patrick Drew,

Speaker 32 Wayne Shadow topped Bobo Johnson, and Gordo Martinez and Gordo Chihuahua teamed up to whip Kenny Mack and Kurt Von Hess.

Speaker 33 My God, I've actually heard of Gordo Chihuahua and Kurt Von Hess and Kenny Mack.

Speaker 33 Was that

Speaker 33 the guy that became one of the Dillingers with Don Fargo and got his leg shot?

Speaker 32 Oh, I'm not sure. That's interesting.
I didn't even think of that. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 33 I'm trying to think.

Speaker 33 Kenny Mack became somebody else. I'm trying to think.
Well, nevertheless. Yeah, you can see it wasn't really an all-star card.
They were carrying the weight up top. Were Gorey and Chic.

Speaker 32 Yeah, it didn't sound like it was the talent being booked out of Amarillo or, you know, main event talent from Texas at that time.

Speaker 32 I think for some of these shows, and again, if he's on the outside of the NWA, they're literally writing letters to the fucking company.

Speaker 33 Well, see, that's what I'm saying. It sounds like Gorey was running the town himself, booking people that worked around West Texas, and he got the chic from Dory.

Speaker 33 He didn't just bring the chic from Detroit to work El Paso. So the funks were still

Speaker 33 supporting

Speaker 33 Gory, but maybe not giving him

Speaker 33 access to everybody.

Speaker 32 Well, there it is. And there's more here.
So maybe we'll do a part two in the future.

Speaker 32 But from the files, Gory Guerrero, any final thoughts hearing this and hearing the biggest star and promoter for that town dealing directly with the publisher of the programs and the magazines.

Speaker 33 Well, that's not unusual because, you know,

Speaker 33 if the biggest star in the town is also the promoter, he's dealing with everybody sooner or later. I mean, I was a massive megastar,

Speaker 33 but when I was promoting Louisville here, I was still dealing with the common people.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 it's a fascinating look at

Speaker 33 not only the political behind-the-scenes manipulations, even back then in Mexico, especially, but even involving the NWA and Sam Muchnik and their convention, but also

Speaker 33 the way that a lot of the old-time wrestlers said, no, this is my fucking belt. Nobody beat me for it.

Speaker 33 I'm going to defend it on my shows, and I'm the champion until somebody beats me on one of my shows. I love that.

Speaker 32 You know, it's interesting, too, because the complaint that he hasn't defended the title of the commission says that's not true. We actually know for a fact he's defended the title in Mexico.

Speaker 32 You have heard in the past about the office being the stooge to the commission to punish the wrestlers they're unhappy with. Didn't work here.

Speaker 33 Well, and because

Speaker 33 it's a different ballgame down there with the way that commission is set up. Here, the commissions,

Speaker 33 unless they were just complete assholes to the business in general, were way more likely to favor the promoters because they did regular business with them for years and years and years.

Speaker 33 And they're the ones that paid the taxes. And they're the ones that licensed the red.
They get their money from them. So,

Speaker 33 you know, they

Speaker 33 either were pains in the ass to the promoters in a place where they didn't particularly like or understand the business, or they were more likely to be on the promoter's side than the boys in the places where they'd been old cronies for so long.

Speaker 33 But you never actually got any commissions in the United States. It was really a boon and beneficient to the to the wrestlers at large.
But in Mexico, it happens.

Speaker 32 well there it is from the files and of course jim

Speaker 32 perhaps you're someone who makes files or wants to sell files perhaps you sell things that people buy perhaps you make things that people want and of course if you have to sell them you need the right partner and we know exactly who could partner with the listeners well that's right because ladies and gentlemen if you've got something that a lot of people want

Speaker 33 Then you need somebody on your side to protect you because those people are going to come and take it away from you. You want to get a good price for it.

Speaker 33 They want to knock you over the head and steal it.

Speaker 33 Well, not with Shopify around because I'll tell you what, Shopify, if people come to your house and try to steal your shit, Shopify will have them surrounded down on the ground and a ground and pound.

Speaker 32 Well, no, that's not what they do.

Speaker 33 Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Speaker 32 Metaphorically or figuratively or literally, they will not be there.

Speaker 33 They will always support you from afar. From afar, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 32 Without bodily contact, yes.

Speaker 33 Yes, there will be no bodily contact involved in this.

Speaker 33 But folks, if you've got an idea for a business, if you have a dream, some way you want to retire, let's say you want to sell sex toys on the beach somewhere.

Speaker 33 Well, Shopify is the people that can deliver those dildos all day long. Well, because they're the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world.

Speaker 33 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States is powered by Shopify.

Speaker 33 They got that shop app and the purple button, but they can also get you started with your own design studio, hundreds of ready-to-use templates, building you a beautiful online store to match your style.

Speaker 33 Let's say

Speaker 33 you're flamboyant, then you can have all the colors of the rainbow. Let's say you're morbid.
You can just have basic black.

Speaker 33 But it's all about the style of the Framostat that you'd like to sell to the American public and those around the world at large. And Shopify

Speaker 33 can help you with your product descriptions and even enhance your photography. And they can help you like you've got a marketing team behind you.

Speaker 33 They're going to send four or five people over to your house.

Speaker 33 You're going to give them some flyers and they're going to go around the whole neighborhood and hand these son of a bitches out and tell everybody about what you've got going on.

Speaker 33 That's what's called a social media campaign, Brian.

Speaker 33 Because you're going out in society and you've got media, the flyers, and you're campaigning.

Speaker 33 And only occasionally will you get ticketed for littering when the people throw away the things that you give them.

Speaker 32 Once again, we are talking about our fine friends who run a fine service, the fine people at Shopify.

Speaker 32 And of course, they can help all the listeners out there who are running their own businesses online. You could work with Shopify and everything will be just.

Speaker 33 And you can actually make money at it. That's right.
If you're running your own shit, you've made the first mistake. You know, if you're representing yourself in court, you got a fool for a client.

Speaker 33 And if you're trying to do this shit in this today's modern hurry, scurry, complicated world, well, you just shit and fell back in it. But Shopify is your commerce expert.

Speaker 33 They've got world-class expertise in everything from managing inventory to international shipping to processing retirement. As a matter of fact, they have space booked.

Speaker 33 on those big old barges that go from here to China. So they can just send shit to China all day long.
Well, we don't

Speaker 32 know what that means. We don't know anything about this.

Speaker 33 Well, they say they're experts in international shipping. They can ship things from one nation all to the other internationally.

Speaker 33 And it's all about making you money. But you know what?

Speaker 33 It doesn't sound like that anymore. Shopify has a brand new sound effect custom made.

Speaker 33 Just to insigniate to you how much money you're going to be rolling in.

Speaker 33 You're going to be like a pig in filth, rolling in the dirty, filthy cash money that you're going to make when Shopify is in charge of your business platform. Play that sound for him, Brian.

Speaker 33 Is that it?

Speaker 33 Kind of sounds like a belly dancer with some of them clicky things on her thumb and finger going click, click when she throws her hiney in your face.

Speaker 33 I don't know. I think

Speaker 32 the money should have a deeper. Belly dancers aren't known for throwing their hineys in people's face.
It's all about the belly.

Speaker 33 Well, it's the side of the hiney. No, the hips go sideways.

Speaker 32 The hips and the belly, yeah.

Speaker 33 Yeah, well, see, the belly's not going forward. The belly's going sideways, but the hip will hit you in the head if you don't watch out.
And then you'll hear bells like that.

Speaker 33 But I think money should have more base to it.

Speaker 33 I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I don't want to have some kind of outlaw sound effect going on here. But, folks, right now, turn your big business idea into

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Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 2 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 32 Well, Jim, speaking of Kaching,

Speaker 32 The cash registers for WWE were ringing a lot over the last few days.

Speaker 32 One of their visits, I guess I should say, to Saudi Arabia. And of course, we covered this action as it transpired, as it took place.
We watched it at some point.

Speaker 33 That is completely a bunch of contradictory shit you just said.

Speaker 32 Well, what else best exemplifies the WWE-Saudi Arabia relationship? Let's now go through the power of time travel halfway across the world, although we'll be safe.

Speaker 32 All right, Jim. Well, you know what that signifies.

Speaker 33 Yeah,

Speaker 32 we're on a journey across this great, big, wide world of ours, God's green earth.

Speaker 33 We had a little break there is what we did before from the one part of the show to the other part of the show. And now, before you say anything,

Speaker 33 my

Speaker 33 lawnmowers have showed up. And if you hear any

Speaker 33 sounds of that description, just so you don't start, you know, we're not doing the goddamn vinyl pressing at dark side of the moon here, you know.

Speaker 33 It's even radio stations. They have the big truck goes by the radio station sometimes.
You never know what's going to happen.

Speaker 33 Might hear it.

Speaker 32 Could be Hitman.

Speaker 33 They used to have, wacky radio used to have a.

Speaker 33 The studio was right on a River City Mall where you could walk by

Speaker 33 bystanders or the bypassers or the passers-by or whatever could walk by. And

Speaker 33 there would be the dagum radio shows going on. They could look at through the window unless they closed the drapes.
And it was a nice touch. Brought you closer to your radio personalities.

Speaker 33 Maybe we ought to do that.

Speaker 33 Should I start sitting in the front of my big old front window in the TV room down there with the drapes open, Brian, so people driving back could see me do the show in my underwear and unshaven yeah

Speaker 32 what about you what what would you sit in front of i don't know i don't know i picture you like whistler's mother sitting there in a chair though would be uh no i would uh i would probably just close the shades or close the curtains and uh take a nap

Speaker 33 No, you gotta, you gotta be out on like on the front lawn. You could be out on the on your front yard doing the show.

Speaker 32 It'll be like that, uh, Citizen King.

Speaker 32 It'll be like the trailer to Citizen King. You just see a microphone when you hear the voice of Orson Welles.

Speaker 32 You see all the other people from the Mercury players, but you don't see him.

Speaker 33 Well, they had to wait.

Speaker 33 The big reveal, you got to pay to see Orson.

Speaker 33 They got to actually get him in the theater.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, they got him in the theater this weekend over there, didn't it? Do those people come of their own free will? Or is this one of those

Speaker 33 Nora?

Speaker 33 When they went to Korea, New Japan, went to

Speaker 33 Pyongyang or whatever, and they had the 180,000 people that were all suggested, you better show up.

Speaker 33 What is

Speaker 33 the persuasion rate over there? See, now everybody's going to go, oh, Cornet, don't know anything about geopolitics again. I can't even be inner goddamn taining anymore.

Speaker 33 Is that a word inner goddamn taining?

Speaker 33 Without people, you don't know. I'm not doing 60 minutes here, people.

Speaker 33 Not doing the goddamn Huntley-Brinkley report. We're trying to be fucking reasonably entertaining to listen to.
Conversationalistic program. Am I getting just too pissed off for this? No, keep going.

Speaker 33 Why? So you don't have to?

Speaker 32 No, you're doing great.

Speaker 33 No.

Speaker 32 Come on, keep the energy up. Come on.
What are you doing? Come on. Yeah, come on.

Speaker 33 Damn, put the stick down. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 33 Faster, faster.

Speaker 33 Like the fucking piano player in Reefer Madness, who just all of a sudden

Speaker 33 goddamn went off the beam there, pal. This is your show anyway.
I'm just, I'm just a

Speaker 33 squirrel in your world of trees.

Speaker 32 That's right. Well, speaking of squirrels and world of trees, there aren't too many trees that we saw, except ones that were planted after the fact, I guess.
But Saudi Arabia, WWE's.

Speaker 33 What kind of trees they got in Saudi Arabia?

Speaker 32 I don't know.

Speaker 33 Do they have normal trees like all the rest of us, or do they have to have only trees that can grow in a desert? What kind of tree? Can you look that up?

Speaker 32 Well, I'm

Speaker 32 sure.

Speaker 32 Can I look up agriculture at Saudi Arabia? Just give me a moment here. That wasn't on my menu today, so I wasn't prepared for that one.

Speaker 33 Well, check with the State Department website.

Speaker 32 Now, I don't WrestleMics have anything on agriculture. No, they do not.

Speaker 33 You don't have to. Well, no, if Thurston doesn't have it, it's not.

Speaker 33 But anyway, before they did the big

Speaker 33 pay-per-view in Saudi Arabia, they had to do SmackDown in Saudi Arabia. And again, folks, we're not going to go through

Speaker 33 three hours of SmackDown and three and a half hours of pay-per-view and three hours of raw in a four-day period of time or whatever in

Speaker 33 excruciating detail. But there was a couple of things that made some news.
And one of them wasn't good, but they made

Speaker 33 some chicken salad out of the situation with the chicken shit and did, you know, the best they could, but

Speaker 33 the big power failure.

Speaker 33 Apparently, they

Speaker 33 blew the fucking, they plugged in so much of their shit, Brian, in the

Speaker 33 what is it, the Saudi Arabia Gardens, whatever their building is called over there. They said it.
I didn't retain it.

Speaker 33 I guess there was a big power outage and it flummoxed

Speaker 33 some of the broadcast.

Speaker 33 What are they on around the world live? Is it Netflix now?

Speaker 32 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 33 The broadcast, the streaming service, well, they just had to went dark,

Speaker 33 and I guess they were down for about 30, but right at the start of the show, when

Speaker 33 Cody, I forget the exact moment, but it was the Cody and Orton,

Speaker 33 you know, face-to-face interview. So, they went black for like 30 or 40 minutes on the streaming live thing for around the world.

Speaker 33 And then,

Speaker 33 since the time difference, they had some time before it went to USA Network for SmackDown Friday night in the United States. They were able to put

Speaker 33 some of the oddest camera angles, but we'll try to explain.

Speaker 32 Yeah, the Mazel, but it is the Mazel Brothers filming a movie on their iPhones is what it was.

Speaker 33 Well, no,

Speaker 33 it looked like the Blair Witch Project if they were all drunk.

Speaker 33 But no, I think I can explain some of this because normally

Speaker 33 when we have the technical difficulties, since I've been in a variety of places that have had technical difficulties, we try to explain, well, this is what happened.

Speaker 33 Well, this is a complicated one, but

Speaker 33 I got an idea on a couple of things of how they did this.

Speaker 33 But that was the big thing. I mean, the promo was

Speaker 33 fine between the two guys, but you know, it was hard to pay attention.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 the basic gist of it was was that it was their go-home promo, and

Speaker 33 Randy was a little fiery or a little piss and vinegar.

Speaker 33 Vinegarier

Speaker 33 had more piss and vinegar in him.

Speaker 33 And, you know, he's the more heelish guy anyway, and he's the viper, and he could turn. And there's always that, you know, the tension there, whereas Cody was more

Speaker 33 calm, babyface, voice of reason.

Speaker 33 But each one needs the win more than the other.

Speaker 33 but

Speaker 33 what happened was everything looked normal because i obviously saw a smackdown on usa

Speaker 33 everything looked normal until

Speaker 33 shortly after cody began speaking i think yeah orton was uh was out as well and everybody saying hey there are singers over there

Speaker 33 They know all the words. And

Speaker 33 do you think they're like the

Speaker 33 new guy that journey got to replace steve perry he was filipino so he didn't really speak english he had to learn the songs phonetically

Speaker 33 or they're all just

Speaker 32 the bilingual over there because everybody's just with everything i don't know if everyone's bilingual but there probably are a good amount of people that speak english i guess the bigger question is do any of these songs actually sell on the charts worldwide the amount of people that sing every word to them

Speaker 33 Because I don't know what the fucking words are.

Speaker 33 My hearing's shot anyway, and I'm just watching it on TV. Do you think they've got the goddamn headphones on at home?

Speaker 33 Whatever. But

Speaker 33 anyway,

Speaker 33 suddenly,

Speaker 33 as I said, they said there was a power outage in the building. Well, they're already into this thing.

Speaker 33 And I guess they didn't want to just

Speaker 33 wave them off or whatever, but they had the audio. They had the audio.

Speaker 33 And you could tell something was different in the building because all of the pretty lights, the pretty crowd lights were off,

Speaker 33 but the video screen behind everybody was still on.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 the only thing that I can think

Speaker 33 is that even though they had, because they've got such a big production setup,

Speaker 33 they probably had generators there.

Speaker 33 to handle certain things.

Speaker 33 And the things that they had generators for were still running, but the

Speaker 33 when they were just plugged into building power, I it blew. I don't know, but some of the shit worked and some of it didn't.

Speaker 33 And they still had the audio track, and the audio sounded fine. But what they were able to do, apparently,

Speaker 33 the camera shots that you saw. This is my guess:

Speaker 33 that they had

Speaker 33 one or two different guys with handheld cameras with battery packs and

Speaker 33 they were completely independent they weren't feeding the truck they weren't supposed to they're going around getting the backstage footage or the ambiance for the packages because

Speaker 33 sometimes when you see the montages of the bumps and everything

Speaker 33 it looks more cinematic and was shot from a different angle

Speaker 33 So their production

Speaker 33 now is so big, they've got guys wandering around with cameras in different places that you see in the documentary footage. So, I'm thinking they said, Well, we've got these guys, but they don't shoot

Speaker 33 like a handheld cameraman for television, they're just getting shots, right? All their shit's going to editing.

Speaker 33 So, that's why you would see they're just walking around with the camera, or they're zooming in, or they're focusing, or they're pulling out, or whatever, because that's not, they're not supposed to be covering it

Speaker 33 in the other fashion.

Speaker 33 And somehow they were able to put all that together to where,

Speaker 33 and then they had a graphic down at the bottom of the screen. There were technical issues in the live recording.
We appreciate your patience.

Speaker 33 And I guess after in the building, after Orton and

Speaker 33 Cody had finished, then they just shut down.

Speaker 33 you know, doing anything until they could get the issue resolved and then

Speaker 33 came back up and you saw the on-camera with the announcers, oh, we're back.

Speaker 33 But that was,

Speaker 33 it was a miracle they were able to get anything out of that. But at the same time, it was odd for a building that big that looks like you could park goddamn 747s perpendicular in there and have room.

Speaker 33 It's a giant place.

Speaker 32 Even the audio,

Speaker 32 it almost seemed like it was dubbed in because you would watch their mouths

Speaker 32 cameras, and it was just all

Speaker 32 it was so bizarre the way it was coming across.

Speaker 32 And again, they kept putting up the thing at the bottom, and then they shot right to Wade and Michael Cole, and they were in perfect, you know, hey, sorry about that.

Speaker 33 Yeah,

Speaker 33 well, see, the thing is, the audio was dubbed in. In effect, actually, I don't know whether the audio was dubbed in or whether the video was dropped over the audio.

Speaker 33 But in some fashion, it was weird because of the difficulty, they had the audio in a broadcast form, but they had to scramble for video.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 I don't know, but

Speaker 33 it can have beware of dog.

Speaker 33 Remember that? I was that afternoon, I was out in the parking lot in the back of the Florence fucking, what was the Civic Center, looking up at the sky going, oh, shit.

Speaker 33 Because it's it's a fucking giant tin building anyway. And

Speaker 33 we made it what two matches in and zap.

Speaker 33 And that whole building was dark. Their emergency lights came on, like the exit lights and the,

Speaker 33 you know, shit that's on,

Speaker 33 you know, their

Speaker 33 battery-operated generator public safety type shit. And everybody was sitting there wondering, is somebody going to try to pick my pocket?

Speaker 33 But anyway,

Speaker 33 you know, we actually had to get the dagum

Speaker 33 head of the electric company in Pikeville, Kentucky, out of bed one night in Smogy Mountain.

Speaker 32 What time? Out of bed? What time?

Speaker 33 Well, like nine o'clock.

Speaker 33 Well, it's a small town.

Speaker 32 How old was he? Was he a little old man?

Speaker 33 I don't. I didn't meet the gentleman because he had to then call other people.
He wasn't going to climb up in that bucket truck himself.

Speaker 33 were doing four TV shows in Pikeville, the same place that we do the bluegrass brawl, right? Every April. But this was the middle of summer, and we got a book to TV taping there.

Speaker 33 And we had like seven or eight hundred people or whatever.

Speaker 33 And we'd done the first two shows and the goddamn

Speaker 33 not the generator, not the alternator, the fabricator, the fornicator. What's the goddamn thing that sits up on the pole? The big round thing.

Speaker 33 It's not a generator.

Speaker 32 I know what you're talking about, too, and I can't think of the word now.

Speaker 33 Google left in. Transformer.
There you go. Transformer.
Bam. Went, son of a bitch, you plugged in too much shit for this building.

Speaker 33 And I was, oh, shit. Because see, with the bluegrass brawl, we shot it for home video.
We had a smaller setup. This is how we'd brought the truck.
And the truck drew too much power.

Speaker 33 And the whole thing, you know, the Jim was dead. I was, oh, shit.

Speaker 33 And the fire department was our sponsors. And the fire chief said, hold on, I'm going to call Fred.
I don't know what Fred's fucking name was.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 they, and he got somebody that worked for them that knew how to fix this. out there that could get in the bucket truck from the fire department and lift him up to the thing to fix the deal to

Speaker 33 flip the switch to turn the power back on.

Speaker 33 So we could do the other two shows in like 35 minutes. We had to take a 35 minute intermission when we thought we were fucking dead

Speaker 33 and going to be short two TV shows.

Speaker 33 So it didn't, it pays to know people.

Speaker 33 See, we knew Fred from Pikeville and they know the crown prince of the country. So

Speaker 33 you get your electric turned back on quicker that way.

Speaker 32 Well, of course, that wasn't the only thing to happen on SmackDown. It was the only thing that happened in both darkness and light.

Speaker 32 But sometimes, out of the darkness and into the light comes a segment, and they ended the show with a segment a lot of fans were talking about.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 after the first segment, then we waited two hours and 35 minutes, and then came something else to watch.

Speaker 33 Cena came out,

Speaker 33 and jumping, Jehoshaphat,

Speaker 33 the John Cena Sucks chant drowned out the music.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 I don't know that it's that they hate him,

Speaker 33 but just that they were enjoying more than anything else

Speaker 33 yelling for or against or about him. Does that make any sense?

Speaker 33 They're just participating in the whole fucking thing.

Speaker 32 It does, because other than the joy in yelling, singing John Cena Sucks, they seem to treat him as a a babyface most of the time.

Speaker 33 Yes, and they were just, they were into it. They were, this was, you know, and again,

Speaker 33 you know, hey, it's always been. It was

Speaker 33 more prominent in the 80s when they first started going to Europe, but the international audiences

Speaker 33 are always, and I'm not saying a few years behind or a while behind or whatever, like they're fucking stupid.

Speaker 33 The new guys get over quicker in the United States while the old guys are still more over overseas.

Speaker 33 You see what I'm saying here.

Speaker 33 And this is nostalgia, and this is a happening, and this is, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 And then he cuts the promo on punk, and punk ain't going to win it, and

Speaker 33 etc. And all of a sudden, they play the word life music.

Speaker 33 Whatever the fuck they're doing there.

Speaker 33 And the graphic says punk punk life.

Speaker 33 And here comes CM Punk out dressed like a

Speaker 33 thugonomic John Cena with the jorts and a cubs shirt. Actually, there's some modifications here.
And he had the fucking knuckle jewelry, fist

Speaker 33 brass knuckle jewelry, whatever that said drug-free instead of

Speaker 33 piss off or whatever. Cena, what did Cena say?

Speaker 32 Does he

Speaker 32 know the knuckle stuff? Oh, it said, I don't know, word life.

Speaker 33 Very, well, I guess, because that's what the music says.

Speaker 33 So, regardless, all these things.

Speaker 33 And it,

Speaker 33 again, you know, it's the old rib of the, you know, the guy dressing up like his opponent and trying to make fun of him and everything.

Speaker 33 And a bit of people are with punk too, because he's a star. CM Punk, CM Punk.

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 33 i can't repeat this it would have taken a court stenographer to take it down because he did his promo as a rap

Speaker 33 but it wasn't like

Speaker 33 you know

Speaker 33 it wasn't like an easy rap it was like an actual promo but it rhymed and god damn it i don't know how he did this because it went on and on, not in a bad way.

Speaker 33 It was,

Speaker 33 I couldn't have done this promo to save my life because I can, I can talk, as most of you people realize, all day long if I have to.

Speaker 33 But I couldn't make it rhyme and make it come out right like this. And he did three or four minutes.

Speaker 33 And it was a.

Speaker 33 I don't know how he remembered it. And it had to be

Speaker 33 heavily his input because you couldn't,

Speaker 33 I wouldn't think, write this and hand it to somebody and go, okay, just do that. Oh, okay.

Speaker 33 Fucking Jesus Christ.

Speaker 33 He called

Speaker 33 Cena a fish-bellied white Hulk Hogan, but more problematic. I can't remember what that rhymed with because I was just,

Speaker 33 he called me a player hater, but Cena's buried more talent than the Undertaker.

Speaker 33 But is this the first time ever brian that a main event promo made sense it drew money and was delivered completely in rhyme

Speaker 33 uh no i cena used to do it all the time well no but i mean he was doing you know i mean well i mean his was a little more juvenile wasn't it this wasn't like the

Speaker 33 the rap thing this was a little more literate this was him doing

Speaker 32 this was him doing

Speaker 32 no this was the same way with Cena doing the pipe bomb. This was him doing a classic Cena promo.

Speaker 33 I know I think I think that Cena used to rhyme a lot of stuff with booby and shit, you know.

Speaker 32 I don't know. I don't have the lyric book of

Speaker 32 put that out, please.

Speaker 33 No,

Speaker 33 see,

Speaker 33 Cena's a better rapper, but punk is a better poet.

Speaker 33 He had better material.

Speaker 32 Punk was really good here. And again, it's so impressive, the memorization that has to go into that.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 32 When Seema used to do it, it was impressive, but he did it. Like he was doing it regularly.
I don't even know how you build up the ability to constantly do that. Punk has never done that.

Speaker 32 And he came out there and he delivered. He hit a home run with that, I thought.
I know some people thought it was too corny, but you know, it plays off the pipe bomb last week.

Speaker 32 I thought it was really good.

Speaker 33 Oh, you need everybody was yelling at me on the Twitter machine. Well,

Speaker 33 he laid there, he being punk for 10 minutes because that's the way that it was. It was the opposite.
Cena was laid out in the ring. Well,

Speaker 33 yes, I remember the promo. I remember him sitting there and I remember watching the promo.
Truthfully and honestly, the fact that he had laid John Cena out beforehand escaped me.

Speaker 33 But as many people also pointed out, when they started arguing about what those other people had brought up,

Speaker 33 Cena got laid out in the ring. Punk sat on the fucking stage.

Speaker 33 You didn't have him sitting over the top of Cena.

Speaker 32 On a Slim Jim table. On a Slim table.

Speaker 33 On a Slim Jim table in the same shot. And they said even Cena rolled over and sat up in the ring and collected his fucking self a bit to listen to his brow beating from 80 yards away.
So,

Speaker 33 man.

Speaker 32 Well, that was WWE SmackDown.

Speaker 33 Yes, it was.

Speaker 32 From the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 33 What happens when the king dies and the queen takes over? Is it become the queendom?

Speaker 32 Oh, it'll never be the queendom. It'll always be the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
And the king.

Speaker 33 I was thinking maybe they would goddamn, then they'd turn the tables over there and flip the script and the guys would have to go around wearing beekeepers outfits for a while.

Speaker 32 I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think there's going to be really too many changes in terms of

Speaker 32 treatment of women or... gay people or anyone who's a minority or anything like that.

Speaker 33 Anyone whose passport is being held.

Speaker 32 That's right. And speaking of people with their passports being held, let's talk about the WWE's latest extravaganza from Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 32 SmackDown was just a show, but an extravaganza, night of champions, where

Speaker 32 there's just champions galore all up and down the card.

Speaker 33 And it said night.

Speaker 32 And

Speaker 33 they're in the dark.

Speaker 4 The Harlem Globe Charters 100-year tour.

Speaker 33 As I mentioned earlier, it's an odd-looking arena. I mean, it's massive, And that's the thing is I don't, you can't

Speaker 33 you can't really get a grip on how many people it seats, on how many people are there, on exactly what the extent of it is, because it just seems to, it's compared to other arenas there, it's abnormally high.

Speaker 33 It has a giant wall on one side. I don't know

Speaker 33 what's going on there, but it's, it's,

Speaker 33 did they report any type of attendance figure? Has Thurston Howell weighed in on this? Maybe by the time that I describe, set the scene for the first contest, we'll know. But

Speaker 33 they opened up with Cody and Orton for the King of the Ring final.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 again, the crowd is live over there.

Speaker 33 Is it my imagination, or when they started doing this a few years ago?

Speaker 33 The people were a bit more

Speaker 33 reserved, weren't they? Or am I misremembering? Because I don't remember them just,

Speaker 33 and I know people who say, Well, they,

Speaker 33 you know, they hadn't seen it. Well, they had to see it enough for them to pay for it to be over there on television or whatever.
So

Speaker 33 I'm just wondering if now people have loosened up more than they used to there.

Speaker 32 I don't know. Obviously, WWE has been coming over there, and people really like it, and it's embraced by the kingdom.
So you're allowed to embrace it.

Speaker 32 You asked about the difference between this and the North Korea show. If you remember, those fans just sat there.
Those fans, it was almost like synchronized fandom.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you know, they weren't allowed to do anything, or they were afraid to do anything, or they were only allowed to do what they were told.

Speaker 33 These people were dancing around and shit, so I don't think it's they're just there dancing and singing and moonwalking and all kinds of stuff. And that's when Cody and Orton started out,

Speaker 33 locked up, and did whatever. And the people were just chanting and waving and singing and

Speaker 33 jumping about to the point where they stopped the match and just stared at them. So they could, you know,

Speaker 33 and they're doing nothing.

Speaker 33 And then finally,

Speaker 33 this was refreshing to me because it was one-on-one.

Speaker 33 It was not a match where there was no disqualification.

Speaker 33 And they started out actually doing wrestling stuff. And they had a wrestling match.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 they're two of the best guys in the business at it.

Speaker 33 And there was the tension, obviously. You never know is orton gonna turn you know he's already made threats there's nothing he won't do

Speaker 33 but at the same time

Speaker 33 orton was really the the one that sold in this match and it was brilliant because he hurt himself

Speaker 33 in that at one point when he gave cody

Speaker 33 a superplex,

Speaker 33 boom, and he landed. They know he's got back problems.
He hurt his back and he he started selling his back.

Speaker 33 And that was brilliant because with where they're going in the finish,

Speaker 33 you know, later on or at whatever point, Orton can make a claim,

Speaker 33 I beat my, I hurt myself. That's, you know,

Speaker 33 but nevertheless, nobody was cheating,

Speaker 33 but Cody worked the back.

Speaker 33 But it was forearms. It wasn't punches.
He wasn't doing shit behind the referee's back, but he's being a competitive athlete. So nobody

Speaker 33 did anything in this out of character, something that that person wouldn't do just for the sake of a goddamn, oh, this is a cool move

Speaker 33 to change people's perception of them.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Orton sells to me better than anybody his size in the business. And look, he's fucking

Speaker 33 massive.

Speaker 33 And yet, you know, he can sell and he conveys the pain and the facial expression.

Speaker 33 And, you know, anyway,

Speaker 33 they did a number of

Speaker 33 big moves, two counts, things like that.

Speaker 33 You know, finally, the Crossroads wants the

Speaker 33 RCOO.

Speaker 33 The RKO wants, they got two counts.

Speaker 33 But then Cody was in a spot where he was set up for the punt and Orton was

Speaker 33 backing up for it.

Speaker 33 And then you could see on his face, and it wasn't like this-the goofiness of when they go out and they grab the belt, they got the belt drawn back, and then suddenly they have a pang of guilt.

Speaker 33 It was like he's waiting for Cody to get up there, and there he is. And he's thinking, Should I go down? I want to kick his head in.
Ah, fuck it, I'm going to. He waited just a second,

Speaker 33 and then Cody moved,

Speaker 33 and then

Speaker 33 Cody got the figure four and Orton turned it.

Speaker 33 And they did a big rubber-legged yay-boo in the middle and went into a hockey fight.

Speaker 33 And this was, boom, really good.

Speaker 33 And then Orton gets a chair.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 they're doing this there too, where

Speaker 33 A guy can bring a chair in the ring and the referee, as long as he either asks for it politely or just grabs it back, it's not a disqualification. But nevertheless,

Speaker 33 while Lil Nate Charles Robinson is

Speaker 33 putting the chair out, Orton undoes the turnbuckle pad

Speaker 33 and he tried to run Cody's head into it, but Cody blocked it. Boom, boom, they jockey for position.
Orton goes for the RKO, and Cody pushes him into the buckle into a crossroads one, two, three.

Speaker 33 This was refreshing.

Speaker 33 Great babyface match where neither guy turned heel

Speaker 33 or did anything out of character.

Speaker 33 But at the same time,

Speaker 33 after Orton lost, as he was walking back,

Speaker 33 he was not looking happy.

Speaker 33 And you never know what might happen in the future. And

Speaker 33 Cody was cutting a promo, putting Orton over.

Speaker 33 And Norton was kind of looking back at him. And then

Speaker 33 Cody promised he's headed to SummerSlam to face either Punk or Cena.

Speaker 33 And he will get the ball back.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 he better get the ball back at SummerSlam.

Speaker 33 Might he not, or elsewhere, that's going to be another kick in the balls.

Speaker 32 He has to. And I don't want to spoil it now.
We'll get to it later. He has to.
And it can't be a finish like the finish they had on this show. It has to be a finish.

Speaker 32 But yeah, I think so. And I think this is a good match.
And I think they even got me for a minute thinking, oh, you know, maybe Orton will win this. What did you think of the turnbuckle spot?

Speaker 33 Well, again,

Speaker 33 he said there wasn't anything he would stop at, but he did

Speaker 33 vacillate somewhat on kicking his head in.

Speaker 33 And Orton's

Speaker 33 the Viper.

Speaker 33 He's a little bit heelish.

Speaker 33 it's not out of character for him to do that as a baby face

Speaker 33 what i would have loved for them to i i see where they were going

Speaker 33 cody was working the lower back because the lower back was affected by the superplex that's why i hate when these fucking indie morons

Speaker 33 give a guy superplex and then just roll through and either pick him up and give him something else or roll through and the guy that got superplex does something. We go, what the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 33 So I know they, but they were working the lower back. But when Randy went for the RKO

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 33 Cody pushes him off, he had to turn and kind of hit his ribs.

Speaker 33 Because I would have loved,

Speaker 33 I see they wanted to foil the RKO, but I would have loved if Cody could have jerked him around where he could have taken a flat back turnbuckle and sold it out into the crossroads.

Speaker 33 And that would have, to me, looked more more

Speaker 33 painful and convincing. That's the only problem I had with the turnbuck.

Speaker 32 All right, well, good opening match, and now it's King Cody Rhodes. I don't know if he's going to wear that crown.

Speaker 32 Are they allowed to take the crown away, or is it like that championship you win over there where you're not allowed to leave with it?

Speaker 33 I don't know, but it would also now that would be unwieldy to sing King Cody Rhodes, King Cody Rhodes,

Speaker 33 King Cody Rhodes, King Cody Rhodes,

Speaker 32 and Queen Brandy.

Speaker 33 Now it's more queen.

Speaker 33 Well, speaking of the queens

Speaker 33 coming up on the king and queen of the ring, well, these weren't the queens of the ring. These were actually, it is the queen of the ring, Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 33 She's always going to be the queen,

Speaker 33 or possibly even the goddess of wrestling, the

Speaker 33 the ruler up above in the heavens of wrestling, Rhea Ripley. All praise to you, Goddess Rhea.

Speaker 33 Jesus. And Rochelle Rochelle, our friend Raquel Rodriguez.

Speaker 33 See now, Rhea Ripley, Raquel Rodriguez. See, it just rolls off the tongue.

Speaker 33 In a street fight. And

Speaker 33 besides the, well, first of all, all the women.

Speaker 33 I mean, I know that the first show or two, they went over there. They worked in sweatpants and sweatshirts because

Speaker 33 who has full body scuba suits on hand in a normal world when you're a pro wrestler? Now they've gotten,

Speaker 33 you know, all the stuff custom-made and everything. And it's lovely gear,

Speaker 33 but it is ridiculous in not only the scuba suits, what the fuck is wrong with those people over there, but also

Speaker 33 with Rhea Ripley and Raquel, they're both approximately the same height. They both got long black hair, and they were both wearing black from literally from head to toe and from shoulder to wrist.
And

Speaker 33 everything you could see their hands and their faces. If the hair was down, at some points, I'm thinking, does anybody in the cheap seats even know which one is which?

Speaker 33 Did you notice that when they're just all there?

Speaker 32 Are no cheap seats.

Speaker 33 Well, okay, in the farther, farther away places

Speaker 33 but nevertheless they were both very aggressive here they laid their in

Speaker 33 but it was a street fight and the kendo sticks and the

Speaker 33 they fought on the desk and did the power bomb through the desk hood into the sound pit and

Speaker 33 The first two or three minutes, I was like, okay, they're starting to go here. And then they started using the furniture and the stairs.
And

Speaker 33 Rhea took her belt off and whipped her about 50 times and then

Speaker 33 hit her with a razor's edge and a kick and got a two count.

Speaker 33 And then Rhea got her clover leaf on. So in the middle of,

Speaker 33 again, their sticks and

Speaker 33 bullshit laying around and they're back to a wrestling hold. I wish they wouldn't.

Speaker 33 They're poisoning Saudi Arabia, too. They'll think, well, they're supposed to have all this shit in wrestling.

Speaker 33 But then here,

Speaker 33 as Rhea got the clover leaf, Roxanne Perez,

Speaker 33 who also came into the ring covered from head to toe in black pleather,

Speaker 33 ran in and broke the hold. in front of the referee because it's a street fight, no DQ.

Speaker 33 So then

Speaker 33 Rhea chased Roxanne around and bumped her on the floor and pulled out a garbage can and put it on Roxanne and kicked it.

Speaker 33 But then Raquel ran down and posted Rhea and ran her into the stairs and gave her a splash.

Speaker 33 Two count. I said, there's more.

Speaker 33 They went back to the fucking match.

Speaker 33 Roxanne Perez disappeared. Apparently, she was either killed or paralyzed.

Speaker 33 And the referee just let all again, because it's a street fight, all this stuff goes on. And then they started the match again and they set a table up across the top rope

Speaker 33 with it balanced

Speaker 33 in front of the turnbuckle, but across the top ropes so that they could both get up and balance on it.

Speaker 33 And then Raquel helped Rhea

Speaker 33 to the point where,

Speaker 33 because they don't want to fall off and break their fucking necks, right? So they're trying to balance and not fuck this up.

Speaker 33 They're not goddamn circus performers.

Speaker 33 But when Rhea is picking her up for the riptide,

Speaker 33 Raquel, as she's bent over, she had to reach back with her right hand and her right arm and put it up so that Rhea could hook it without throwing a.

Speaker 33 And then she gives her the riptide off the table. Oh, and and one of the referees had to hold the edge of the table so that, and people on Twitter were fighting about it.

Speaker 33 Because some people said, look at the referee holding the table.

Speaker 33 And the other idiots were like, well, what do you expect him not to hold the table and they fall and hurt themselves?

Speaker 33 No, don't do this stupid shit.

Speaker 33 Would be an idea, just a concept, just a thought to run by somebody.

Speaker 33 Why next time put a table up there,

Speaker 33 balance the two chairs, and bring your pet dog

Speaker 33 and have the dog with a ball on top of the two chairs, and then you put the thing in your mouth that allows you to bite down on the edge of the chair and you can balance it while flapping your wings, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 33 I'm so sick of this shit.

Speaker 33 These two can, you could buy them in a wrestling match

Speaker 33 as two physically threatening individuals that could potentially do some damage to each other if they weren't trying to make them do

Speaker 33 goddamn Buster Keaton silent movie routine shit.

Speaker 33 Your thoughts.

Speaker 32 I like Buster Keaton, so I'm not going to complain too much. The general, Steamboat Bill Jr.,

Speaker 32 so many different things.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 32 yes, I thought this was okay. I mean, again, it's the awkward dynamic of everyone being dressed head to toe.
I don't even know why you just don't bring the women at that point.

Speaker 32 Roxanne Perez wasn't even wrestling. They flew her over to put on that outfit and run out for this.

Speaker 32 But I thought it was all right. I like, I mean, Rhea is, I think, the best there is.
But I like Rhea and Raquel together.

Speaker 32 We've seen them multiple times over the years, probably since NXT, or maybe shortly after that.

Speaker 32 She's at least Rhea.

Speaker 32 She seems like someone who could beat Rhea.

Speaker 33 Yes, yes.

Speaker 33 And I'm not criticizing the talents

Speaker 33 effort here. I'm criticizing the stuff they either feel they have to do or are asked to do or have put into

Speaker 33 this whole fucking thing with now everybody's

Speaker 33 that used to be

Speaker 33 the derogatory

Speaker 33 thing of some people who like wrestling, either don't like wrestling, rather say, oh, they're a bunch of stunt men.

Speaker 33 Well, now you have to be.

Speaker 33 Because what the fuck does it you're balancing on ladders and tables

Speaker 33 propped over fucking shit.

Speaker 33 But here's the problem, Brian. And I don't know what,

Speaker 33 you know, I was one of those children, right?

Speaker 33 What do you mean? I was one of those kids.

Speaker 32 What do you mean?

Speaker 33 And well,

Speaker 33 I was one of those kids that goddamn had to analyze shit.

Speaker 33 And it didn't even start when I, even by the time I discovered wrestling,

Speaker 33 I noticed this from the Batman fights. So this goes back to when I was five, six years old.

Speaker 33 I noticed

Speaker 33 that wrestlers are better

Speaker 33 at making a fight look good than movie and television stunt men.

Speaker 33 Because I would always,

Speaker 33 I loved the Western saloon fights and the Batman fights. And oh, look at the bump the heel took, and there's the chair, and a whata-da-da.
So I always studied those. Maybe it was meant to be.

Speaker 33 And by the time that I was discovered wrestling, I realized, well, wait a minute, yeah, hellba, blah, blah, blah. Over here.

Speaker 33 And then I started picking apart the stunt man's fight scenes, except for Robert Conrad in the Wild, Wild West, who was probably the best

Speaker 33 television performer in a fucking fight scene during his era. But nevertheless, but the stunt men, Brian, this was the point of this.

Speaker 33 They're better at taking the bump off the balcony. You know, in the Western, bam,

Speaker 33 the, the fucking

Speaker 33 heel, the, the outlaw that's trying to ambush the hero is up on a second or third floor there, a doc's office, and he's got the gun and he's pointed, he's waiting, and the hero shoots him and bam, and he takes the bump over the rail and into the dusty street

Speaker 33 now that was a bump I didn't see wrestlers taking the stunt men had shit like or when they

Speaker 33 jump a motorcycle over something and leave the motorcycle in midair and they fly through the saloon window and come out the other side with a fucking muffler up their ass they had motorcycles in the west well you know what i'm saying the saloon window yeah The stunt men did all that shit just fine, but they couldn't fucking fight.

Speaker 33 And the wrestlers could fight,

Speaker 33 but back then they weren't taking buffs off the fucking balcony and jumping over Caesar's Palace fountain. So I think everybody should stick to their goddamn specialties.

Speaker 33 That's the moral of that story.

Speaker 32 All right. Well, that was that match.
And there was more to come from this spectacular. If you think about visiting, they got wonderful tourist packages, apparently, from Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 33 And just make copies of your passport just in case you need to have it tattooed on your ass in case you need to prove.

Speaker 33 Okay, Carrion Cross and Sammy Zayn. They added this one.

Speaker 33 You know, with what we talked about the other day on the program, you know what I had to watch for.

Speaker 33 And by the way, the people love Sammy. They love Sammy.
They love Sami Zayn more than they love Sammy Davis Jr.

Speaker 33 But you know what I was looking for, don't you hear? The story went out.

Speaker 33 Did we ever source that?

Speaker 32 No, that was an off air.

Speaker 33 This rumor?

Speaker 32 Yeah, we talked about that off air. I don't even think it was on air.

Speaker 33 Oh, was it? We talked about it. So we had to keep an eye out there.
Well, because I saw the story on

Speaker 33 the interweb after you had brought it up. So it's out there because I think they had crossed, somebody had cross-respond and he was laughing at it.
Ah, you know, people say that.

Speaker 33 But the story went out that Karrion Cross was allegedly either scared of, afraid of, reticent to,

Speaker 33 not enthused by,

Speaker 33 taking bumps.

Speaker 33 And that may limit how far he could go in a business where people have to fall down on a, you know, regular basis when. they're in the main events.

Speaker 33 And so, did you watch for this, Brian?

Speaker 32 Yeah, I mean, that was the only reason to watch this match.

Speaker 32 Well, that was the only reason to watch this match.

Speaker 33 I mean, what before, because I've made a few notes,

Speaker 33 but before I give you details, what was your impression when you came away from the match as to whether or not those rumors may have any validity?

Speaker 32 Well, again, I don't think it was a fair sample because word got out before this match. So I think he took just fine the amount of bumps he took.
He took fine bumps when he took bumps.

Speaker 33 Well, in that case, then I think he's probably smarter than we thought because he did get through this where the way that they worked the match, you wouldn't have noticed, right?

Speaker 33 But if you're going through the match just to write down,

Speaker 33 just to write down when and how this guy falls down in the course of a fucking 13-minute match, then it,

Speaker 33 but he is a very good psychologist. I got to say, again, I'm not,

Speaker 33 if he does this good a job of hiding it all the time,

Speaker 33 more power to him.

Speaker 32 Yeah, Jake wasn't taking bumps. I mean, there are plenty of people who learn how to work around having to do anything like that.

Speaker 33 Like, well, no, Jake, Jake, Jake was not going to have this match, No, he, but well,

Speaker 33 it depends on how old he was and

Speaker 33 where his head was at. But nevertheless,

Speaker 33 so Karrion Cross is Sami Zayn. Sami Zayn is an underdog anyway.
He likes to fight from underneath. So he gets a little flurry at the start.

Speaker 33 He excites the people, and then the heel usually cuts him off, and then he fights from underneath. So that was the story of this match, but there's nothing unusual there.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 at two minutes, Karrion Cross took a safe bump over the top rope where I believe he got clotheslined and he went over the top, landed on his feet, crumbled to the ground.

Speaker 33 And then

Speaker 33 they were fighting on the floor and he was standing on his feet. Sammy moonsaulted him.
He caught Sammy and they went down kind of a soft bump on

Speaker 32 the floor. Yeah, you consider that a bump?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 now there was several times that Cross went down with more force than this when he was suplexing Sammy, but I don't consider it a bump when you're throwing the fucking guy and just happened to land, you know.

Speaker 33 So we're only talking about

Speaker 33 actually,

Speaker 33 because I'm telling you, when he's throwing Sammy with them fucking Saito suplexes, he hit the ground a couple of times, but we're not counting those.

Speaker 33 Let's see, number three.

Speaker 33 He collapsed off the buckle and took an ox. I wrote ox bump.
So that's an ox baker bump.

Speaker 32 Ox baker didn't take bumps.

Speaker 33 Well, no, ox when ox went down.

Speaker 33 Ox, it was a it was a bump in state. What the boys used to say in stages.
It was a stagey bump where he part of him went down, then the next section, then the next section.

Speaker 33 So, so anyway, one is the bump over the top. Okay, two,

Speaker 33 the moonsault catch down. Okay, three

Speaker 33 collapse ox bump. Okay, number four, flat back bump from a clothesline.
Okay.

Speaker 33 Number five,

Speaker 33 got an axe handle from Sammy off the top to the head, took a bump, boom. Okay.
And then Sammy's into his comeback now.

Speaker 33 And he got a blue thunderbom.

Speaker 33 He took that blue thunderbomb.

Speaker 33 what did they call it?

Speaker 33 The exploder, where Sammy grabs him and belly to belly overheads the guy into the turnbuckle where the guy lands like on the back of his head and his shoulders on the ground and into the turnbuckles.

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 he did that to cross,

Speaker 33 and I wouldn't want to take that fucking thing. There's a lot of shit going on, but he was a little short.

Speaker 33 It looked like Cross went, caught the back of his head, and then kind of went into the buckles. But the announcers had to say, don't think he got all of it.
One of those type of deals.

Speaker 33 And then number eight

Speaker 33 was a crumble bump from the fucking Haluva kick in the corner. One, two, three.

Speaker 33 So he took eight bumps in 13 minutes, and four of them were somewhat suspect as to the force or velocity with which he hit the ground.

Speaker 33 He's pretty fucking good.

Speaker 32 You know, this could become a new game for fans. You know, they begin to count out loud.
One, one bump.

Speaker 32 Two, like Suplex City for bumps.

Speaker 33 I swear to God, if that became a thing, that would probably drive him out of his fucking mind.

Speaker 33 He takes a hip toss three,

Speaker 32 and then sometimes, like, it's a bump where, like, we talked about earlier, is a soft bump. Is it a bump? And then the fans can fight with each other, you know, bump, no, bump, bump, no bump.

Speaker 32 And if he becomes known as the bump guy, Tony will hire him.

Speaker 33 Bump, no, bump, bump, no, bump. And Tony says, I got a bump.

Speaker 32 Exactly.

Speaker 33 But I mean,

Speaker 33 you know, that's so

Speaker 33 You weren't, you weren't writing them down. So

Speaker 33 see, you got the impression, yeah, he's really upped his fucking game.

Speaker 32 Yeah, he obviously heard the criticism said, I'll do more bumps tonight. He did eight.

Speaker 33 Can you think that I'm starting to like this guy more because can you think of any time he's ever been thrown through a piece of furniture?

Speaker 32 Off the top of my head, no. I'm sure he must have done something stupid in NXT.
He was there for a while and he was on top.

Speaker 32 But I can't think of anything, no?

Speaker 33 Well, there you go. More power to you, Carrion.

Speaker 32 What do you think of the Carrion cross-push now? Everyone's been talking about him getting a better push, and then he goes over there. And it was kind of a flat finish, don't you think?

Speaker 33 Well, no, I mean,

Speaker 33 Sammy is still a guy that you can put into main events, top positions. They love him.

Speaker 33 I'm sorry. I just, I don't see on the big show in front in that in front of that crowd.

Speaker 33 They've already got some things on here that could be considered downers. They're not going to put crossover in that particular, you know, light, spotlight, venue, whatever.

Speaker 32 All right, well, that was the button.

Speaker 33 I was about to say, you know what was next, don't you?

Speaker 32 No, actually, I don't remember.

Speaker 33 The thing that you were going to say before I interrupted you, that was what was next.

Speaker 32 What was next is what was next on the show.

Speaker 32 Let's see, how many matches is that now? One, two, three. Yeah.
What was next on the show? I think it's time for.

Speaker 33 It's time for the United States Heavyweight Championship to be decided is what it's time for.

Speaker 32 I was going to say more women, but you're right.

Speaker 33 And now here's a question.

Speaker 33 Why is it

Speaker 33 that the Sheik could defend the U.S. title in Toronto, but it would have been just ridiculous at the time if Dewey Robertson had defended the Canadian heavyweight title in goddamn Erie, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 32 You know, again, I don't know. It is a little weird when you have U.S.
title changes in Saudi Arabia. This isn't the first time I think it's happened there.

Speaker 33 Should this be a thing that's allowed to happen?

Speaker 33 You know, should any country's championship be put in a position where it can fall to someone on foreign soil?

Speaker 33 What about the

Speaker 33 should the world of sport title, the

Speaker 33 mid-heavyweight title or whatever that Mike Marino should that be put up for auction over here in Cleveland? I think not.

Speaker 33 But we got a U.S. title match in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 33 Solu versus Fatu.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I'm trying to think how, without insulting anyone too heavily, Solo isn't a great opponent for Fatu to have a great match, is he?

Speaker 33 There's two.

Speaker 32 Is there anyone, respectfully, because I think he's been used well at times. Is there anyone for Solo to have a great match with?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 maybe let's not throw great around,

Speaker 33 you know, unnecessarily. Let's just say a better Fatu,

Speaker 33 I like as a heel,

Speaker 33 where he's with a younger, or not a younger, but a smaller, more agile baby face that does take bumps or whatever, you know, there's a size difference, but as a baby face, Fatu still with a

Speaker 33 even a wise ass fucking heel that's smaller and goddamn athletic.

Speaker 33 But Solo is kind of like, as we talked about before, a little bit, what do the kids say, the Timu Fatu?

Speaker 33 So, solo is a lot of punch and kick.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 then Fatu, when he's fighting a guy that's like that, he's relying, he's still taking his bumps and stuff, but he relies on a lot of punch and kick.

Speaker 33 They're not, you know,

Speaker 33 they're a little too similar to be complementary, I think.

Speaker 33 But it was what it's a match

Speaker 33 that existed on this date.

Speaker 33 And they got some heat, or they he got some heat on Fatu, he being so low.

Speaker 33 And again, Fatu can fly around

Speaker 33 on the bumps and you know, the place he needs to be, and Solo's kind of flat-footed.

Speaker 33 But then finally, Jacob makes his comeback and he's going to the top. And here comes JC Mateo, who

Speaker 33 who waddles down.

Speaker 33 He runs in an awkward fashion. Were you watching the run-in closely here? Did you notice his gait?

Speaker 32 I did not actually watch that.

Speaker 33 No, he is a

Speaker 33 tubbier.

Speaker 32 I mean, I watched it, but I didn't pay attention to his gait, I guess.

Speaker 33 Well, yes, you did not watch the specific manner in which he ran down there, but it was there. Was

Speaker 33 it, yeah, he drew the referee,

Speaker 33 and Tonga Low was there and took Jacob off the top rope with the neck breaker.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 so Lowe got a two count.

Speaker 33 And then Jacob's going to spike him.

Speaker 33 Or no, I'm sorry. Solo's going to spike him.

Speaker 33 But Jacob ducked the spike and dropped Solo and then dove on the other heels

Speaker 33 and then did a Samoan drop on Solo. And then

Speaker 33 Mateo comes in and gets super kicked and then gets the ass in the face. And again, here

Speaker 33 they have decided suddenly, well, I don't know how long ago it was, but

Speaker 33 not suddenly, but certainly recently

Speaker 33 that if another guy that's not even connected to the match gets in the ring, as long as he just gets beat up and he doesn't hit anybody, they won't call the DQ.

Speaker 33 So now

Speaker 33 Jacob is beating up

Speaker 33 Mateo while the guy's in the ring and the referee is staring at it.

Speaker 33 And then he moonsaults Solo, boom.

Speaker 33 And then

Speaker 33 a giant, an old, mean, smelly giant,

Speaker 33 pulls Jacob Fatu out on the floor.

Speaker 33 And what the fuck? And the announcers say, oh my God, this is.

Speaker 33 And then it sounded to me like that they were just saying alternate versions of Tamaloa Loa Tonga Tangaloa Tonga Tonga.

Speaker 33 What the fuck did they call him? No, I mean, I heard him say it's like...

Speaker 32 Tala Tonga.

Speaker 33 Okay, it it was like, well, that tall guy is the cousin of Tama Tonga and Tonga Loa called Tala Tonga. I don't know what the fuck.

Speaker 33 But anyway, he was supposed to choke slam Jacob on the desk.

Speaker 32 But

Speaker 33 I don't know if their timing got off, but Jacob, we know, can jump pretty well. So I don't think it was that alone.
But he barely got up over the top of the desk.

Speaker 33 And instead of a big, ah, tram, it was like a clump.

Speaker 33 And then he rolled him into the ring.

Speaker 33 And the referee's back has been turned through all of this with the

Speaker 33 distraction of the lower tongue.

Speaker 33 And Solo spiked him one, two, three, and we got a new champion.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 again,

Speaker 33 I wrote down here at the bottom: way too much interference for too long

Speaker 33 on these matches it's

Speaker 33 it seems like every match of any consequence now has multiple people running in in every company

Speaker 33 and sooner or later again that that leads to people going ah

Speaker 33 you know i didn't know what was to come yet but i i wrote that then but

Speaker 33 and it's there's

Speaker 33 It goes on forever. It's like,

Speaker 33 again, I didn't know what was to come,

Speaker 33 but

Speaker 33 a match will just stop happening and a bunch of people not connected with it will start fighting with each other for a while.

Speaker 33 And then

Speaker 33 they started again.

Speaker 32 Well, again, at least this one, not to justify it, at least it introduced someone new, a new character, the most boring giant ever.

Speaker 32 No, they introduced a new character here, unlike the end, which was just, okay,

Speaker 32 they couldn't come up with a way for this match to end, so they're going to give us all of this.

Speaker 33 And this guy also doesn't have a giant head.

Speaker 33 He doesn't. I think that's going to be problematic.

Speaker 32 I think we got to see like a promo with him standing there in the ring because he didn't look gigantic, even though he is.

Speaker 32 The way he just came out there and, you know, all in black stood at ringside with everyone, he wasn't coming across as like, oh my god, it's the biggest man I've ever seen.

Speaker 33 So no, that's because of his head.

Speaker 33 He's got a regular head. He needs a giant's head.

Speaker 33 Think about this.

Speaker 33 How many giants have a normal-sized-looking fucking head with a normal facial expression? You got to have some fucking,

Speaker 33 you know, the old saying: beauty's only skin deep, but ugly is to the bone. You got to have some bone sticking out.
You got to have Andre fucking head or goddamn giant sing head or something.

Speaker 33 And then you got a giant. He's just a tall fucking guy.

Speaker 32 Well, Hicculeo has finally arrived. We'll see where Tamatonga is, but at least Tongaloa is back, so we're guaranteed there'll be some hilarity in the weeks ahead.
And now Jake.

Speaker 33 Tala Tala Tonga La. Oh, wait a minute.
Was that that was Tongaloa? Yeah. Instead of Tama Tonga.

Speaker 32 That was the first time we've seen Tongaloa since the war games.

Speaker 33 I mixed up my Tongas

Speaker 33 because I was thinking he was, yeah, he's the other one.

Speaker 32 They got to introduce someone that's just Tonga Tonga, don't they?

Speaker 32 Oh, he's the baddest of them all. Tonga Tonga.

Speaker 33 Tonga Tonga Tonga.

Speaker 32 Three Tongas. Oh, my God.

Speaker 33 Three Tonga. Well, that's when they call him by his first name and Mr.

Speaker 33 Wouldn't that be funny if fucking Tonga in

Speaker 33 island language was Mr.? Then he could be Mr.

Speaker 32 Mr.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, before we get to the main event, we got one more.
This ain't going to take long.

Speaker 33 Seriously, at some point, queen of the ring jade cargill versus asuka

Speaker 33 and in about eight minutes jade hit her finish

Speaker 33 and

Speaker 32 i'm see it had to be warm had to be warm in those pleather full body suits out there in that heat you know it can't be easy Like MJF, we saw do that a few weeks ago, where he went from his trunks, which he wrestles one of his eight matches a year in, to the full body suit or the half-body suit, whatever it is.

Speaker 32 It can't be easy if you're used to wrestling one way to all of a sudden, in terms of just breathing and everything, right?

Speaker 32 It can't be easy to all of a sudden be all covered up and work the same way.

Speaker 33 Well, MJF's tribute to MVP, I don't think hampered him too bad, but when, you know, when you, yeah,

Speaker 33 because it's hot over there, they the announcers made the point that it was very hot in the building. You see guys sweating and I'm thinking they're cut from neck to wrist

Speaker 33 all the way down to feet because the tights go into the boots. You know, that's you

Speaker 33 it might because they're custom-made and form-fitting outfits, it's not going to be like you're trying to wrestle wearing a goddamn flotation device.

Speaker 33 But at the same point, trying to sweat, cool off, just get a goddamn breeze of some description with a head to toe because I didn't expose a lot of fucking flesh back when I was

Speaker 33 competing in the ring.

Speaker 32 You're a pioneer when it comes to these outfits the women wear.

Speaker 33 I needed to, but I see my body needed to be covered up, unlike most of these girls. But

Speaker 33 after you've seen, I wasn't doing the whole goddamn thing by myself. You know, I was in tag matches or handicap matches or whatever, or the manager match would last for eight minutes or whatever.

Speaker 33 But if they're going out there, try to do a lot of shit in a hot, humid fucking building at high speed, they got to be dying.

Speaker 33 You're going to have to peel that shit off like the fucking safety wrapper on some Tylenol.

Speaker 32 Did you see the promo? Did you see the very emotional promo afterwards from Jade Cargo?

Speaker 33 No, I saw she was speaking and I didn't, I didn't want to just have to break down and cry at that point. I knew it was going to bring tears to my eyes.
So I just, I couldn't face it. What did she say?

Speaker 32 She's just very, she just, she's the one wrestler we've seen who, you know, again, she wasn't in the business. All of a sudden she was.

Speaker 32 There have been several times, even when she was a heel,

Speaker 32 like her daughter was in the crowd, where she would just get emotional. Like this all really meant something to her.

Speaker 32 It's nice to see. It's actually really nice to see.
Like someone is

Speaker 32 jade is the only one not completely jaded by the process.

Speaker 33 Ah, see what you did there.

Speaker 33 Well, at least now she's a babyface instead of being a heel with a cute little daughter.

Speaker 33 See, she, if when she was a heel, if she'd have known how to conduct herself in a wrestling atmosphere, she would have then

Speaker 33 yanked a lollipop away from her daughter and

Speaker 33 committed her to her room or whatever.

Speaker 32 I liked her as a heel with a stable of like stooges who just show you their ass.

Speaker 32 That was my favorite period of Jake Cargill, where she came out with women who would turn around and just bend over on the stage.

Speaker 32 That's still the baddies. I think that's what their name was.

Speaker 33 The baddies.

Speaker 32 The baddies.

Speaker 33 I can't believe that TKO didn't take that and run with it.

Speaker 33 You know, copyright that and trademark it and sell t-shirts and membership cards. The baddies.

Speaker 32 There's still time.

Speaker 33 Well, they missed the opportunity so far.

Speaker 33 And how bad can you get?

Speaker 33 That could be their new tagline for the whole WWE. How bad can you get?

Speaker 33 All righty then.

Speaker 33 We We got to get to it because this way we can move past it. The main event of the evening

Speaker 33 for the WW. Why do they call it the undisputed title when they also have a world championship on their pro? I would think the world champion is disputing

Speaker 33 the validity of the WWE title as being the number one title. They do it in every interview, don't they, Brian?

Speaker 32 Right, it's not undisputed champion, it's undisputed WWE champion, right?

Speaker 33 Well, but if the world champion says my title is the big title in the WWE, then he's disputing that

Speaker 33 the other guy is the champion of the WWE.

Speaker 33 See, there's loopholes here that need to be addressed.

Speaker 32 Hey, listen, AEW has a world champion. They're about to have a unified champion who's not the world champion.

Speaker 33 Who's not the world champion? Well, there's loopholes that need to be addressed. See, some people are disputing some undisputed things,

Speaker 33 and then some people are being disincluded from the unification.

Speaker 33 And instead of being unificated, they're being segregated.

Speaker 33 And goddamn, without even being masturbated.

Speaker 33 So once again, something needs to be done.

Speaker 32 We're in Saudi Arabia, the big main event

Speaker 32 for Night of Champions, a match that they've been building up. And maybe they've done a better job of building up than anything else recently with Cena.

Speaker 32 But of course, it's a main event in Saudi Arabia, John Cena versus CM Punk.

Speaker 33 And the people were lit up to see it. And they did the chants.
They were chanting for Punk before they played the music.

Speaker 33 Hakamussalini!

Speaker 33 If he was Saudi, is now Punk an honorary Saudi now?

Speaker 33 Ick Ein Berliner, is he an Ick Ein Saudier?

Speaker 32 I mean, it's gotten out now. That whole little pretentious setup scene where the fan Muhammad in his WWE hat called him out.

Speaker 32 And of all the people, Punk saw that, like Bruce Springsteen with Courtney Cox. He outside Muhammad.
He's like, you, who are you? I didn't mean it. I woke up in a bad mood.

Speaker 32 I didn't mean Saudi Arabia, even though I specifically said a blood money covered dick in Saudi Arabia. But I apologize to you and to everyone you know and to everyone who is here now.

Speaker 33 But no, no, no, no, hold on. He apologized to the people of Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 32 but that because people can be different than the because look we have an evil government here in the united states but there are some good people still here trying to fight against it so you could you can insult the united states now and but he don't but when you say that you're not insulting the people of saudi arabia you are insulting the people who actually committed the murder the people who supplied the blood to the blood and the money They're actually supplying the blood from the murders and the money from the oil fields that the people don't get the money from.

Speaker 32 So they are the blood money suppliers. So, it's specifically the government.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, so he apologized to the people, did he not? Power to the people,

Speaker 33 or did he apologize?

Speaker 33 I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. Did he apologize to Muhammad and all the people of Saudi Arabia?

Speaker 33 All of the people, well, all of all of the people,

Speaker 33 the cult of Cornell, the people, and none of them are the government.

Speaker 32 He's apologizing to the government.

Speaker 33 Apologize to Prince Mohamed Salamander over there.

Speaker 32 Yeah, Again, I think

Speaker 32 it's the modern day of wrestling. And the reality is WWE's business model is built around Saudi Arabia's money.
Not built around it, but it's a thing that makes it profitable.

Speaker 33 It's highly desirable.

Speaker 32 A lot of their business strategy is built around Saudi money. So there's a lot.

Speaker 32 There's a lot that they don't want to fuck up anything with that relationship.

Speaker 33 So you're saying as soon as they got him over there and had his passport in their hands, they said, now here, you've got to go out and talk to a kid named Muhammad.

Speaker 32 I think Punk knew for a long time that he was going to have to go over there and apologize.

Speaker 32 I think he just came out and did. I mean, Triple H afterwards said, oh, I'm so proud of him.
He's grown so much as a person.

Speaker 32 And, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 33 What do you mean by your mother-in-law is in the evil administration?

Speaker 32 And again, it's one thing just, you know, hey, I don't care. I'm just, I want to work the show.
I'll get a lot of money. But.

Speaker 32 You know, it's when you actually go out and go to bat for a thought or a concept or something happening. And then all of a sudden it's like, well, they got all that money.
So I'm sorry.

Speaker 32 I mean, that's what's getting people a little up in arms about the thing, but it'll pass.

Speaker 33 Do you think, is there an element of,

Speaker 33 am I ribbing myself now because I'm the only one that won't

Speaker 33 involved in that? Or is it like, well, god damn it, you know, it's $5 million.

Speaker 32 You have to wonder if it was something

Speaker 32 that was an option.

Speaker 32 Really? Hey, you want to come back? You know, we don't know when the conversation happened. The conversation could have been Nikkon talking to him when he first came back.

Speaker 32 You understand, we're working in Saudi Arabia. You'll have to eventually go there.
You'll have to say you're sorry. Not just go there.
You'll have to say you're sorry.

Speaker 32 Because the other thing is they're not doing that just so he's not booed for one night. Just so they don't boo you that one time you're there.
Just please say you're sorry to everyone.

Speaker 32 No, they're doing that so they don't cut off Punk's head and throw it off the top of a building and then play soccer with it.

Speaker 33 I don't think he would have been too upset if the people had decided to boo him and cheer Cena because the match could have been just fine either way, but I think he wants to leave with his head still on his shoulders.

Speaker 32 And again, a lot of fans says people see it both ways. But again,

Speaker 32 punk being so out in front on is what makes it a punk issue. But the bigger thing is if you have problems with Saudi Arabia, I'm not very happy about it.

Speaker 32 The sad reality is it's the future of wrestling with TKO. So much of their, beyond WWE, so much of their money comes from Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 32 So it's an issue bigger than punk, but a lot of people make it just about punk because, again, he makes himself part of the issue at times and it clouds things. But

Speaker 32 it produced an interesting dynamic. He got him over again.
They went from booing him to all of a sudden he just said, I'm sorry, and they're ready to cheer.

Speaker 33 Yeah, they're like, okay, that's all we were waiting on.

Speaker 33 And then they got the headline, Punk apologizes to Muhammad.

Speaker 33 But you know what they've always said, Brian?

Speaker 32 Of all the fans. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 33 If you can't bring punk to Muhammad, bring Muhammad to punk.

Speaker 32 Rock the Casbah.

Speaker 33 Rock the Casbah.

Speaker 33 So the match, the people were lit up. They were chanting.
They were the Ole, Ole, Ole. That's everywhere.

Speaker 33 What the fuck?

Speaker 33 And they started slow again. They didn't need to rush because they already had the people and they had some time time to put in.

Speaker 33 But also, they were wrestling and it was one-on-one again, allegedly with no disqualification. More on that in a moment.

Speaker 33 Punk did a little terry funk and the ropes at the start, but

Speaker 33 on this one, Cena was working harder. He obviously, and just this is factual, is not the athlete that he was 20 years ago.

Speaker 33 But he was making some contact. He was working harder than doing more.

Speaker 32 Those punches, though. He was throwing punches.

Speaker 32 Punk was doing all he could. I actually thought Punk was really good here because Punk is really good at looking genuinely exhausted and like he's in a fight.

Speaker 32 And he was moving his head to those punches that sometimes it was an open hand. Sometimes it didn't come near his head.
Yeah, but that's Cena. I guess you just got to accept it.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 he was trying here. You can't say he was dogging it.
He's just, you know,

Speaker 33 that's where we're at. It's why there's 14 dates left or whatever.
But anyway,

Speaker 33 at one point, either

Speaker 33 I wrote because I'm trying to figure out. I watched it a couple of times, then I kind of figured it out afterwards.

Speaker 33 Because either Cena forgot to lift Punk, I said, or Punk is practicing to climb Mount Everest.

Speaker 33 And then about a minute later, they went back and Punk got the octopus on him. And then Cena hip-tossed him off.
So

Speaker 33 I'm thinking that Punk was trying to get the octopus on on top of him. But Cena's like, what the fuck are you doing up there?

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Because that's it. It was like Punk was climbing up on him, but Cena was just like bent over, like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 33 Anyway.

Speaker 33 And they, Cena had to do his stuff. You know, you can't see him and all that stuff because people want to see that.
But then Punk got to do his stuff and the elbow off the top. And

Speaker 33 Cena foiled the go-to sleep and got an STF, and then Cena got an AA, and Punk got an STF. So many initials.
Where's the STP?

Speaker 33 But the thing is, this was

Speaker 33 instead of just blandly saying this move and that move,

Speaker 33 it was a good back and forth match where everything made sense. It was a good world title match.
It was probably the best

Speaker 33 John Cena match of of this

Speaker 33 particular retirement run here, I would think.

Speaker 32 I agree. I completely agree.

Speaker 33 The people were going, this is awesome.

Speaker 33 They were getting big pops on the false finishes when Cena hit the third attitude adjustment, got a two count. It was a big pop.

Speaker 32 Yeah, you know, we said beforehand, too, how this match should be in the States. It should be in Chicago.

Speaker 32 But you can't take anything away from the crowd reactions this was getting over there.

Speaker 33 No, they were there.

Speaker 32 Yeah, no, it may not have been as good anywhere, actually, as it was there.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 Chicago, if they were properly motivated, might have given a fucking, if they thought Punk was going to win it, they'd have been off the

Speaker 33 beam. But nevertheless, and Cena went out and got the title belt and brought it in.
And the referee and the fans are, no, no, no. And he kind of looks and he tosses it out.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 he goes for the AA, but Punk hits the go-to-sleep and gets a two-count.

Speaker 33 And then they get up and boom, boom, boom. And now Cena's doing his thing where he hits the shoulder tackles off the ropes.
And

Speaker 33 Punk drops down, and Cena hits the referee with, I think it's Rudy Charles, whatever name they're calling him these days,

Speaker 33 with

Speaker 33 the shoulder tackle. And the referee goes down, rolls out on the floor.

Speaker 33 And I was like, oh, shit.

Speaker 33 Because

Speaker 33 the only

Speaker 33 thing they can do when a match is

Speaker 33 not no DQ is knock the referee out, which I'm not opposed to referee dump. Referee dumps.
Yeah, they feel better if they take one every day.

Speaker 32 It's a stand. I don't hear too many wrestling professionals take.

Speaker 33 Well, I think they should take one every day and more fiber.

Speaker 33 But in addition to the referee dumps, I'm not opposed to referee bumps. I have done a bunch of them as a booker.

Speaker 33 But the problem is now referee bumps have evolved into the referee has been placed in a fucking medically induced coma

Speaker 33 by an open-handed slap and is going to be down for 10 minutes until you know such time as he's needed again.

Speaker 33 And here we go.

Speaker 33 So Punk hits the, and by the way, I've loved this match up until this point. This has been a yeoman's job on everyone's part.

Speaker 33 And Cena is taking the referee out, and Punk hits hits to go to sleep and covers. There's no ref.

Speaker 33 And Punk gets up and looks like, where the fuck is this guy?

Speaker 33 And waves to the back, calling for another referee.

Speaker 33 Seth music.

Speaker 33 And here comes Seth Franklin Rollins and Paul Heyman and Bronson Reed and Bron Breaker all walking out.

Speaker 33 And down the entranceway, and the music is blaring and the entrance video.

Speaker 33 Brian, you're old enough to remember when the referee would get knocked down.

Speaker 33 It'd be because somebody jumped out of the way, he got dropkicked, or whatever, the boom, and he goes down and he's momentarily stunned long enough for the heel or the heel's compadre and cohort to cheat in some meaningful way

Speaker 33 while he's not looking and he's dazed. And then he's back up to his feet and it's none the wiser when he looks around.

Speaker 33 That was basically the idea of knocking the referee down. Correct.

Speaker 33 But now they got to be in a goddamn coma. Even if you're not in the ring and you're dazed, the goddamn music is playing over the loudspeaker.

Speaker 33 What's the referee supposed to think unless he's completely slapped dab unconscious? In which case, some doctor needs to be bringing over a goddamn oxygen tank.

Speaker 33 And we'll come back to the referee in a second.

Speaker 33 They make the long music entrance.

Speaker 33 Everything has come to a halt. Nobody's in a hurry.

Speaker 33 It just, it stops to focus on this. And Seth

Speaker 33 has time to reach out and then make his motion,

Speaker 33 his fist with his hand. So then his stooges run in and sick punk, but punk fights them off.
Boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 33 And one guy goes this way, another guy goes goes that way, and then they end up on the floor. And he dives on them and overshot them.

Speaker 33 And I know they're shaped like bowling balls, but goddamn, I didn't think he had that much spring in his legs left, but he overshot them and almost landed on his head over the top of them.

Speaker 33 Then

Speaker 33 they picked him up and slammed him through the Arabic announce table. And there went Phubar, Micah Fakalube, and Slapco Fud scurrying for their lives.

Speaker 33 And then Seth is standing in the ring with the briefcase. And they say, is he going to cash in?

Speaker 33 And as he's caught, he calls for another referee. Well, here comes Lil Nate, old Charles Robinson, running down the entranceway.

Speaker 33 One would have thought, again, the reason for urgency in cheating when the referee is down is because if you don't do something quick, Certainly someone in the back is going to be alerted to send another referee down.

Speaker 33 So your clock is ticking when the first one goes down. Is it going to take 30 seconds? Is it going to take 40 seconds?

Speaker 33 Well, we've been a while. Here comes the next referee, and Cena stands up in the entranceway, bam,

Speaker 33 and wipes him out.

Speaker 33 So he's down.

Speaker 33 So then Cena and Seth start arguing with each other.

Speaker 33 Seth swings the briefcase at Cena. Cena ducks it and gives him the AA.

Speaker 33 But then

Speaker 33 Braun and

Speaker 33 Bronson,

Speaker 33 Breaker and Reed, let's call them Breaker and Reed.

Speaker 33 Breaker and Reed get in and start getting some heat on Cena.

Speaker 33 But then music plays.

Speaker 33 Am I exaggerating this, Brian?

Speaker 32 Oh, no. And then the music.
Okay. If the music, if you're talking about Sammy, the music played for like five seconds.
It was the most unnecessary playing in the music.

Speaker 33 No, no, no. You've skipped somebody.
Oh.

Speaker 33 The first music was Penta.

Speaker 32 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 33 Remember Penta?

Speaker 32 Out of nowhere.

Speaker 33 Out of nowhere. Cinderella story.

Speaker 33 Penta comes out and he gets in a fight with Braun Breaker on the rampway, the entranceway,

Speaker 33 and they're fighting.

Speaker 33 And then the music plays again. And there comes Sammy within five seconds.
And he

Speaker 33 gets on Braun and they fight off.

Speaker 33 to the side of the entrance where the Penta, who's been

Speaker 33 leveled before can get back up and run across the stage and dive off the stage onto the floor onto both of them

Speaker 33 but now what you say is going on in the ring

Speaker 33 well bronson reed goes to the top and he's going to splash cena

Speaker 33 but punk pushes bronson reed off and cena picks reed up and gives him an a

Speaker 33 and then cena and punk are in the ring and everybody else has rolled out and left. And Paul is still standing around there.

Speaker 33 I think he was just, he was blown up from the trip down, and he didn't want to leave and go back in case he had to sit down and rest halfway.

Speaker 33 But everybody else that ran out there is magically has all disappeared.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 now Punk and Cena are in the ring.

Speaker 33 And Punk offers his hand for a handshake, and Cena takes it and pulls him in for for the hug. And the people are like, Yay!

Speaker 33 And then Cena makes the face

Speaker 33 like the face he made with Cody. Right into the camera, right into the camera.

Speaker 33 He goes for the gut kick, and Punk catches it and starts to pick him up for the AA.

Speaker 33 And there's Seth with the briefcase, suddenly, where the fuck he came from.

Speaker 33 Boom, hits him with the briefcase in the head, gives him the stomp, rolls out of the ring. Cena covers, and the referee,

Speaker 33 the first referee, Rudy Charles,

Speaker 33 who was bumped with a shoulder tackle

Speaker 33 seven minutes ago,

Speaker 33 rolls right in and counts one, two, three.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 I thought it was a real good match until it became sports entertainment instead of wrestling.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 then everybody came out and you just lost the fucking plot.

Speaker 33 And then they went back to it, and there it was. And that's the best that they.

Speaker 33 I'm sorry, but whenever I used to figure a finish,

Speaker 33 regardless of what company it was from or where it was, if you can't

Speaker 33 account for everybody's whereabouts and participation in a realistic manner in front of the live audience in a particular period of time,

Speaker 33 then either make an adjustment where you can or don't do it.

Speaker 33 With seven minutes for a shoulder tackle and all this shit, it just,

Speaker 33 but that's what they expect these days because they're training people. This is what

Speaker 33 wrestling is supposed to look like.

Speaker 33 So it was very exciting,

Speaker 33 but it just, it, it, it hurts me that is this the way the musicians feel about that auto-tune thing where Aunt Fanny can sing like goddamn bet middler if she wants to?

Speaker 33 No, I don't think this is that you just don't have to be good at it anymore.

Speaker 32 You know, again, it's become very standard, but I have a feeling people are going to get burned out if they aren't already, and some of us are by these non-finishes that include big moments.

Speaker 32 Triple H is good at giving you big moments,

Speaker 32 but you see more and more holes in everything he actually puts together the more you watch it. And I thought that was the most.

Speaker 33 Well, and unfortunately, for all the good that we say about Paul E,

Speaker 33 he is a big moment with holes guy a lot of times.

Speaker 32 That's his specialty.

Speaker 33 So you got a lot of big moments and you got a lot of holes.

Speaker 32 But again, I just didn't think,

Speaker 32 you know, nothing against Penta because I don't mind him. But when he showed up, it was like him? He's the one to come out here to make the save for punk, I guess.

Speaker 32 Sammy, it makes sense.

Speaker 32 They've been aligned a little bit, and they both hate this group of Haymans.

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, but just on a level of the way that people are viewed, Penta was the odd duck.

Speaker 32 It was like, what?

Speaker 33 I know they're pushing him, but it's the, you know, it's the main event. you know, world title match on Cena's retirement tour.
Maybe let's just leave that one alone.

Speaker 32 And again, it was almost 10 minutes of interference and non-finishes. Not even non-finishes, interfere, interferences.

Speaker 33 It was a different fucking match for about five minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Here now,

Speaker 33 let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby and get ourselves a snack.
We'll come back in five minutes when the match we were watching starts back up. What I don't know.

Speaker 33 But yeah.

Speaker 33 But at the same time,

Speaker 33 goddamn, they made a bunch of million dollars on it. And everybody

Speaker 33 is professional.

Speaker 33 I assume, except I didn't watch Jaden.

Speaker 32 Who's he, what's he?

Speaker 33 Osuka. Yeah.

Speaker 33 But they're, you know,

Speaker 33 I'm sure they did fine.

Speaker 33 Nobody was almost killed. We got that going for us.
But, you know, it was.

Speaker 33 It was better than your

Speaker 33 average standard five-match

Speaker 33 kind of blain pay-per-view because of the two big matches.

Speaker 33 And coincidentally, they were two actual singles matches that meant something between stars, but

Speaker 33 the one finish was so gimmicked up, it was a little disappointing because they were doing so well.

Speaker 33 And again, I know, you know,

Speaker 33 even if it's Cena and Punk,

Speaker 33 I don't know whether either one of them would have

Speaker 33 just come to

Speaker 33 with the idea, even Cena for Smoke and Mirrors come with the idea of let's just run 17 people in it to finish this thing and take five or six minutes and then get back on track.

Speaker 33 I think that was probably an office

Speaker 33 influence.

Speaker 32 Heyman, especially, like you said. But that was

Speaker 32 WWE's latest excursion to Saudi Arabia. And good to hear that the plane was allowed to leave the runway this time.
But of course, Jim,

Speaker 32 WWE, all those wrestlers, all those scared staff members. Yep, so happy to be back on American ground.
So happy.

Speaker 33 Probably thinking about their future.

Speaker 32 Thinking about their future. I was going to talk about thinking about the nap, but you're right.

Speaker 33 The future. Oh, you told me about the future.

Speaker 32 You know, I just started thinking about how I felt after the pay-per-view.

Speaker 32 And I curveball, wild card.

Speaker 32 Jim,

Speaker 32 if at all possible, I'd love to talk about the big nap that everyone had to take, the big sleep after getting home.

Speaker 32 After they kissed the ground, happy they're back in the States. Everyone needed a good night's sleep, and we know where everyone can get one.

Speaker 33 Well, you know what? Most of the time when you're feared for your safety and your life, and you finally you get away from that and you get back home, you just want to lay down.

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You want to sleep with Helix.

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Speaker 33 And Brian, you know the drill. We've been talking about Helix for years now.
You sleep on them. I sleep on them.
Many people, some people sleep with them. That's how they have more helixes.

Speaker 33 And then the line keeps going. But nevertheless, the people love them.

Speaker 33 You go to helixleep.com, you get on the website, and you answer a few simple questions about what type of mattress you're looking for. Let's say, for example, you sleep and you sweat when you sleep.

Speaker 33 Well, if it's some kind of personal issue you're dwelling on, we can't really help you. But if you're just hot-natured, they got a mattress that'll cool you down.

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Speaker 33 Have you seen these, Brian?

Speaker 32 I don't know anything about

Speaker 32 promise things that don't exist. Let's.

Speaker 32 Well,

Speaker 33 it looks like an S. And that way, when you're all hunched over, you still got a place to fucking sleep.

Speaker 32 I don't think that's how it works. And of course, visit your chiropractor or whoever works on your back, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 32 But for those of you looking for a good night's sleep, you and of course your family, you got to take care of your family for

Speaker 33 the whole family on the same mattress, just bring them on. There's room for everybody.
Have them bounce up and down on it a couple of times. Don't bring any jelly sandwiches.

Speaker 32 Well, they will fall in love with it, and maybe they'll want their own. And of course, we have such a great deal to offer the listeners this time of year right now to get a brand new mattress.

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Or let's say you want to cause some back pain.

Speaker 33 If there's somebody you don't like, get them the opposite kind of mattress that they would like. And if they sleep on it, they will get back pain.
No, let's not pay.

Speaker 32 And you will be the cause. No, let's not say that any of these mattresses will cause back.

Speaker 33 Give your mother-in-law with a slip disc a really soft mattress to sleep on and she will be miserable.

Speaker 32 Give her an Advil and of course focus on your own sleep. Well,

Speaker 33 give her the Advil for the first couple of nights. She's got the soft mattress.

Speaker 33 She won't notice it and then it'll already be broken in by the time she realizes that she's bent up in the, in the night like a roly-poly bug.

Speaker 33 Well, there you go. Well, Brian, you can get them for all the neighbors, too, that you don't like.
Just see who has back pain and go from there. You can really screw people up.

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Speaker 32 We love them. Helix sleep.

Speaker 32 It doesn't seem to want to end the time machine.

Speaker 32 We are going to change this. We are in the future.
We are back to where we were. Back from Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 33 After a day in the life in Saudi Arabia, we are

Speaker 33 back here.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Yeah. Whoopie.

Speaker 32 After all that, the big trip to Saudi Arabia, what better time than ever to have an early edition of Raw?

Speaker 32 We started at 6 p.m. this past Monday.
Did you see any of it?

Speaker 33 Well, yeah, I'll tell you about that in a second. But first of all, they come back from Saudi Arabia

Speaker 33 and they go to Pittsburgh to do a raw show, and they started at six o'clock because I guess because Friday's the 4th of July, they did a double taping. But

Speaker 33 number one, how did they get 14,000 people to show up in Pittsburgh in the building at 6 o'clock on a Monday? Do these people have no jobs?

Speaker 33 Are there no prisons, no workhouses? How did they all get there? And secondly,

Speaker 33 what the fuck? We used to complain about about my schedule. I was, oh, mid-South, it was so hard.

Speaker 33 Or Crockett, I'll take Atlanta TV at 10 o'clock in the morning, Baltimore at 2 and Philly at 7.30 instead of Saudi Arabia on Saturday night and Pittsburgh for fucking four hours on Monday.

Speaker 33 That's insane.

Speaker 33 What are the people in Pittsburgh saying about it? Did they all have to quit their jobs? Were there mass firings?

Speaker 33 In that traffic? How did they get there?

Speaker 32 And maybe it was Canada Day. I don't know.

Speaker 33 Well, now in Canada Day, nobody works. We've established that, but that's

Speaker 33 a whole different thing. Pittsburgh Day?

Speaker 32 Pittsburgh Day.

Speaker 33 Maybe it was Rusev Day.

Speaker 33 All right. I got a new problem with the Netflix, Brian.
Have they changed their MO?

Speaker 33 Have they?

Speaker 32 In what way?

Speaker 33 Well, you watch the thing live, don't you?

Speaker 32 As best you can. I try to when I'm going to watch it.
And this week I got the email that Raw was coming up early at six, like 10 minutes to six. So I just turned it on while I was working.

Speaker 32 But otherwise, I would have missed the live performance.

Speaker 33 Well, here's the problem. And again, let's backtrack.
On normal television, when you DBR a program, you can just... zip right through the commercials.

Speaker 33 And you've got an on-screen reference for fast forward. So you know what you're skipping.

Speaker 33 And not only in the case of commercials, but with RAW, you can skip the travel logs and the product placement and the endless backstage inanity and the 10-minute entrances and get to the meat of the matter, right?

Speaker 33 If you record it on real television. But Netflix, as I've mentioned, doesn't have any on-screen capability.
You can fast forward, but you don't know what you're missing.

Speaker 33 So you have to check in every few minutes to see if they're actually getting to the goddamn meat of the matter. But now, Brian, when I tried to watch it that way this time,

Speaker 33 guess, because I remember I've said before, every time I try to skip ahead five minutes, I end up in some kind of commercial.

Speaker 33 Now, once you end up at a commercial, you can't fast forward the rest of the commercial. You have to sit there and watch two minutes, two and a half.
There's a clock on the screen. Ad will end in 229.

Speaker 33 And you can't fast forward it. And then when the program comes back on and it's a travelogue, then you can fast forward it again.

Speaker 33 But if you stop, you're in another fucking commercial.

Speaker 33 I spent the whole time trying to watch the thing. And the only thing I watched was the commercials.
And the only thing I could skip was the program.

Speaker 33 So I saw a couple of things we're going to talk about, but have you heard from anybody else that this is a new thing they're doing

Speaker 33 where you now you're just stuck with it?

Speaker 32 This has been a long-term internal project at WWE to make it so that you get stuck in commercials no matter where you go, what you do on the Mat, on Netflix, everywhere you go.

Speaker 32 I haven't heard anyone else complain about this specific thing.

Speaker 33 Well, I would have noticed it if I was not able to fast forward the commercials before now because it's been several months that we've been going through this.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 anyway um and when i would land on the program they were either replaying from earlier that i didn't want to see the first time

Speaker 33 or talking about something i wasn't interested in but finally

Speaker 33 we got to gunther and by the way they had an an in-ring promo with rhea ripley and eo sky who are going to face each other

Speaker 33 And Finn and JD beat the new day for the tag team title, and Rusev beat Seamus.

Speaker 33 And we were already pretty much more than halfway through the show, I believe. But Gunther

Speaker 33 in the ring, he did a classic promo last week, just ripped Goldberg from asshole appetite and did

Speaker 33 kind of the same thing here. He said, I'm not afraid of what is left of Bill Goldberg.

Speaker 33 My God, after the vultures got him.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 he was that, I could beat him in under three minutes, but I'm going to blow him up and embarrass him.

Speaker 33 And you don't like bullies. Well, I'm the biggest bully around and I'll treat you like a piece of crap.
Still got it. You never had it.

Speaker 33 But I love him because he's one of the best promos in the company now and English is his second language. But enough of me talking about how great Gunther is.
Brian, tell me how great Gunther is.

Speaker 32 I think he's been the highlight of Raw the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 32 You know, Liv Morgan, I think, has been the highlight of Raw that she got hurt gunther's promos he may be the best promo all year not just this run but if you really think about what he does the issue and i don't know if it's just because it's goldberg and

Speaker 32 you know it's cool to boo i guess uh you know the old good guys

Speaker 32 but i don't know if it would happen if he was against anybody right now

Speaker 32 he's almost turning himself babyface by being the big bully badass that no one could beat up.

Speaker 33 Well, and he's not really turning himself because now he's messing with Seth too. And we'll, we'll get there in a second.
But

Speaker 33 again, that's what I like about him is he's the kind, he's not a chicken shit heel.

Speaker 33 He's not a lying, sneaking, conniving. He's a proud, pompous, arrogant heel who's good enough to back it up.
And you can go either way with that. And it still doesn't.

Speaker 33 Again, you know, the thing I always talk about is I hate it when baby faces or heels do, especially babyfaces, do things that they wouldn't do if they were who they are purported to be.

Speaker 33 It's out of character for them. It's bad booking to make them do or say things that

Speaker 33 you don't think that that personality would do or say. And Gunther doesn't do it.

Speaker 33 And, you know, he ripped up

Speaker 33 Bill Goldberg.

Speaker 33 He's taking Bill Goldberg away from Bret Hart now.

Speaker 33 But he ripped him. He said he could beat him in under three minutes, but he's going to blow him up and embarrass him.
And he's the biggest bully around.

Speaker 33 And he's going to treat him like a piece of crap.

Speaker 32 And he's getting babyface pops for every one of these things that he says.

Speaker 33 Well, because again, you know,

Speaker 33 this is a newer generation, and

Speaker 33 they like the Bret Harts, and they like the legends that...

Speaker 33 their favorite wrestlers look up to and like. But has anybody ever, my favorite wrestler was Goldberg in the business.

Speaker 33 It's not a tradition now that the modern fans have adopted.

Speaker 33 He should, he was a huge name. He should get

Speaker 33 one last match on a, you know, big stage and et cetera, but it's too long.

Speaker 33 He waited too long for the people really to be, oh, Goldberg is back. Oh, shit.

Speaker 33 And now it's, you know, he's, like I said a week or so ago or whatever, he's kind of taken the place of, I think they wanted Gunther to beat Brock Lesnar.

Speaker 33 Because who is a,

Speaker 33 before Brock got in all that trouble, who's another smash mouth, physically dominant guy that Gunther could beat

Speaker 33 that would get him over in that way besides Brock Lesnar, it'd be Goldberg. There's nobody else on the list.

Speaker 33 So this serves a lot of purposes.

Speaker 32 But on the other hand, if this is Goldberg's last match and this is the build to Goldberg's last match,

Speaker 32 do you try to change anything if all of a sudden he's getting these big babyface reactions that Goldberg's a piece of crap and I'm going to get the shit out of him?

Speaker 33 No, I think they're going to have the same match probably regardless of who's cheering who, because it's going to be, I would think, a Paul Heyman type special where they bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, and bam.

Speaker 33 And that's it.

Speaker 33 I don't think that

Speaker 33 Gunther is going to matt wrestle Goldberg for an extended period of time. And there's,

Speaker 33 you know, it's probably not going to tease the time limit.

Speaker 33 But it doesn't matter because, and again, it's network TV.

Speaker 33 That's a better audience for Goldberg than the streaming.

Speaker 33 And he gets to wrestle one final match on network television in Atlanta and help another guy do some business in the future. He gets to wrestle for his kids.

Speaker 33 Gunther, try, everybody comes out better for it.

Speaker 32 You think they're going to put Ventura on commentary for that match?

Speaker 33 Oh, good Lord. I don't know whether I hope not for Goldberg's sake or whether I hope so for our entertainment's sake.

Speaker 33 Because who knows what could be said in that situation.

Speaker 33 But anyway, but then so Gunther finished with Goldberg and then he said, and then I'm going to be the one to say who's next.

Speaker 33 And Seth's music plays and he gets a big pop, but he comes out with Paul and they take

Speaker 33 a long time to get in the ring and speak.

Speaker 33 And Seth was crowing about preventing Punk from being the champion over the weekend.

Speaker 33 But he said, when I won Money in the Bank, I said that it would be an assault on both titles. Well, congratulations, champ.

Speaker 33 And before they get a chance to say anything else, like a Mussolini,

Speaker 33 but he got to leave the country.

Speaker 33 Here comes Punk. And he tackled Seth and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 33 And Seth runs out into the arena.

Speaker 33 And they're chanting to see him, Punk.

Speaker 33 And Punk sees that Seth ain't coming back. And he turns around to leave.
And Gunther grabs his arm, like, hey, don't walk away from him.

Speaker 33 And Punk shoves Gunther down.

Speaker 33 And storms out. And Gunther's like, well,

Speaker 33 I never.

Speaker 33 And then you see Seth standing in the bleachers, and suddenly L.A. Knight is behind him eating popcorn.

Speaker 33 This was the best segment of the show. And then he hit him with a popcorn, and they fight into the breezeway near the concession area

Speaker 33 in an obviously cleared and roped-off area designed for their fight with guards holding back multitudes of people that are standing out there for no reason.

Speaker 33 Did they advertise the fight in the concession area?

Speaker 32 Not that I'm aware of, no.

Speaker 33 Why were all those people standing there? How did they know?

Speaker 32 When LA Knight went up there to get his popcorn, he said, hey, gentlemen, please follow me.

Speaker 32 I want to make sure no fans are going to be hurt because I'm about to do something that I'm allowed to do because I'm a wrestler.

Speaker 33 But I mean, seriously,

Speaker 33 I mean, I can see the school of thought that if there are people out there, it looks more

Speaker 33 legitimate, but it didn't look legitimate because of the way the people were arranged and then parted by barricades.

Speaker 33 But then if it doesn't look legitimate, then why have people there? Okay, to make noise, but then can't you make it any less obvious that?

Speaker 33 And again, what did they do? Did people just notice them roping off the entire concession stand and stand there and wait to see what was going to happen?

Speaker 32 Yeah, maybe they thought Jey Uso was next. Actually, they've given you kind of a, they've given you something that makes sense as a plausible reason.

Speaker 32 They thought Jey was about to come up there and yell at the camera and come out. He's done it plenty of times.

Speaker 33 Yeah, he's about to come up there and then yeet and go back to where he came from.

Speaker 33 You know, that's got to be a long round trip to leave the locker room, bypass the entrance to the arena, go all the way up into the top of the building, and then come back down to the ring when you were 50 feet away from it to begin with.

Speaker 33 I guess so. Think about that now.

Speaker 32 It was nice to see that punk came out to Cult of Personality. I thought he may come out to the Brenda Lee classic.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 33 Joe, come on now.

Speaker 32 So sorry

Speaker 32 that I'm such a fool. Keep going.
Keep on the lyrics.

Speaker 33 I was going to try to customize it, but that I tweeted you mean.

Speaker 33 All right. Well, speaking of mean tweets, let's get back to the show.

Speaker 32 Like Mussolini, if he was sorry. That works.

Speaker 33 What was somebody on Twitter said, like Mussolini in Italy, just like it's 1943.

Speaker 33 But anyway, we go back to the show.

Speaker 33 I know Bailey had a time limit draw with Lyric,

Speaker 33 and that I was sick of landing on the commercials. I would have watched the entire main event tag team match, Sami Zayn and Penta.

Speaker 33 versus the bronze, Breaker and Reed.

Speaker 33 But I didn't want to take any chances on hitting another commercial, so I went to the last five minutes to see the finish.

Speaker 33 Actually, the last six minutes or so.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 I know they're trying to make a superstar out of Penta, and he sells merchandise. God, I hate to see men with Braun Breaker because a lot of his shit looks phony and it drags Braun

Speaker 33 down.

Speaker 33 And it's just the oddness of the timing and everything.

Speaker 33 But Sammy made a comeback. They had some nice false finishes.
Looked like it was a good match, Cook. And they had a big pop when Sammy finally got a suplex on Bronson Reed.

Speaker 33 He had just a vertical suplex.

Speaker 33 But he had worked for it. He couldn't do it.
He'd gone back to it. He couldn't.
They milked it. And finally, when he got it, he got a big pop.

Speaker 33 But then, as soon as he got up to go for the cover, he got speared by Bronson Breaker, Braun Break, which, yeah, he suplexed Bronson Reed

Speaker 33 and got speared by Bronson Breaker.

Speaker 33 One, two, three. It was a very nice finish.

Speaker 33 And then they speared

Speaker 33 Penta and went to splash Sammy, but Jey Uso came out and beat the shit out of him with a chair. And the heels bailed and the crowd yeeted.
But I like Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed.

Speaker 33 That's a fucking team.

Speaker 33 And Braun Breaker is.

Speaker 33 It's not like you've got two big

Speaker 33 giant monsters because Braun can move to the point point where you,

Speaker 33 you know, you're not like, oh, this is two big guys doing splashes off the top, but at the same time, he's got the size.

Speaker 33 That's just me.

Speaker 33 And that's just raw.

Speaker 32 You know what? I actually thought was really good on the show. I know you didn't watch it, so you can't really comment.

Speaker 32 And it pulled me in because it went so long that I was like, you know what, I should just watch it at this point to see what's happening here.

Speaker 32 Miro or Rusev versus Seamus. I thought it was really good.

Speaker 33 And I'm sure it was. And if I cared really right now about either guy, I might have watched it too.
If it was on real television,

Speaker 33 but that's in two and a half hours, they had four matches. And

Speaker 33 not all of the matches were necessarily the can't miss type.

Speaker 32 All right, friends. That was Raw.
WWE Raw. Early in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 32 Let's move on. Let's move far, far away from all this.
Far, far away. Jim, let's get to some some questions from the culta cornet

Speaker 32 this one was sent via the cult of cornet facebook group by kyle hansen

Speaker 32 would roman reigns move the needle for aew

Speaker 32 like cm punk did

Speaker 32 well

Speaker 33 yeah

Speaker 33 hold on here

Speaker 33 Would he move the needle? Yes. I mean, if Roman Reigns showed up on AEW, I think a lot of people would

Speaker 33 be paying attention to that, see what was going to go on. Would he move the needle like CM Punk did

Speaker 33 at this point? I'm not saying he's necessarily a smaller star. I'm saying,

Speaker 33 is the needle capable of being moved as big as that now? Because when Punk got him over a million viewers, they were already at 800,000.

Speaker 33 And when,

Speaker 33 you know, Punk drew the, what, a couple of million-dollar gates,

Speaker 33 that was

Speaker 33 you know out of the

Speaker 33 out of the norm for them at the time but they've raised the ticket prices now to where even though they have so many fewer people

Speaker 33 uh they're they're still grossing money i so i don't know if it's possible

Speaker 33 you would think that he would move the needle as possible as it is to be moved by anybody just for signing with the company, wouldn't you? But how much that would be would be debatable.

Speaker 32 Yeah, and again, there's a few differences. Obviously, CM Punk going to AEW when he did is a little different than any top star going to AEW now.
The company has been seen a little differently.

Speaker 32 They're rebuilding, if anything.

Speaker 32 CM Punk went to AEW as CM Punk.

Speaker 32 What would Roman Reigns be?

Speaker 33 Oh, that's right. Roman Reigns couldn't go to Roman.
Roman Reigns couldn't go to AEW. The guy could.

Speaker 33 And that's another thing. CM Punk came back from a long

Speaker 33 retirement from wrestling. Roman Reigns had just has not wrestled often, but he's still been around.

Speaker 33 And the thing is, then you'd have the problem. Who, if Roman Reigns, regardless of what you called him, showed up tomorrow in AEW, who could he work with to draw money?

Speaker 33 He'd be in the same position as the Hurt Syndicate. There's no

Speaker 32 tag teams. It would be credible.

Speaker 32 That's who we can work with.

Speaker 33 Well, but they're set up as a tag team.

Speaker 33 Point I'm making is

Speaker 33 you have almost nobody there that would be credible against a guy the level of Roman Reigns.

Speaker 33 And Moxley's their world champion. Can you see that match?

Speaker 32 Well, actually, that's probably the one. Forget about the actual context and content of the match.

Speaker 33 Well, that's right, because they're old compadres before Moxley flunked out of the big league.

Speaker 32 That's the biggest thing you could do probably right out of the gate before people see how stinky the match will be is present the match.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 you know,

Speaker 33 I don't see how that with the structure, with everything that we know about AEW, that they can sign any, and of course, they're not going to sign Roman Reigns, it can't possibly, but

Speaker 33 I don't see who they could bring in that at this point

Speaker 33 would make anything but a short-term curiosity difference because then they'll end up

Speaker 33 immaterial like everybody else they bring in. So,

Speaker 33 yeah, yeah, Roman Reigns as,

Speaker 33 you know, somebody else, whatever name,

Speaker 33 Roman Snow, I don't know.

Speaker 33 He initially people would go, oh shit, what the fuck's going on here? But then he'd get lost in a shuffle and there'd be nothing interesting for him to do.

Speaker 32 And I also think CM Punk was uniquely situated to be that guy for that audience. Again, not a lot of guys have a big hometown drawing ability.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 32 What's Roman Reigns' hometown? San Jose? Like, I don't even know. Does he draw really big there? Like Punk does in Chicago, where it becomes part of the story.

Speaker 32 Punk was a unique figure that worked perfectly for AEW at that point.

Speaker 33 Well, plus, Roman Reigns is a great promo, but Roman Reigns can't talk to people like Punk can.

Speaker 32 Well, that's the other thing. And if he came out, that was not a matter of fact.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 33 But that was a reason why Punk was perfect for the AEW audience because he could communicate to the smart fans while still

Speaker 33 not

Speaker 33 coming out and making all wrestling bullshit. He was able to do it in the story.

Speaker 32 Well, that answers that question. Jim, our next question was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Alexa Forrester.

Speaker 32 In Jon Moxley's book,

Speaker 32 he talks about JR giving a talk at FCW.

Speaker 33 Wait, wait a minute, he wrote one? I didn't know he'd ever read one.

Speaker 32 He wrote one. Apparently, it's a real piece of work.

Speaker 32 He talks about JR giving a talk at FCW and recommending the boys have a backup plan in case wrestling didn't work out.

Speaker 32 Moxley didn't agree with this because, and there's a quote here, I think if you really want something, whatever that is, you have to go for it with 100% of yourself.

Speaker 32 If you're going to go for it, go for it. Great things aren't achieved with a safety net in place.
Safety nets, backup plans, these are distractions. Excuses to give up early.

Speaker 32 A backup plan may be put in place for your benefit, but what it really serves

Speaker 32 is as a way out.

Speaker 32 If you want something bad enough, if you believe in yourself, failure can't be an option. The very concept that you may not succeed simply can't exist.

Speaker 33 Oh, Christ.

Speaker 32 Sounds like a warrior. I'd love to know Jim's thoughts on this.
Did he advise the developer?

Speaker 33 He also sounds like he's 14, doesn't he?

Speaker 33 Doesn't he sound like some kind of fucking wannabe teenager that

Speaker 33 wants to be his favorite action movie star or badass video game character hero or something?

Speaker 33 You're a fucking idiot if you.

Speaker 33 Especially for the audience that J.R. was speaking to, not just a bunch of guys who wanted to wrestle indies on the weekends and actually had

Speaker 33 some type of job or way to support themselves and pay their bills but people

Speaker 33 in FCW

Speaker 33 who were apparently thinking of making this their living

Speaker 33 and doing this for real

Speaker 33 in which case a lot of them weren't going to make it and you know what a lot of them didn't make it

Speaker 33 so he said you know him saying

Speaker 33 Don't let the wrestling business ruin your life because you have had you've got no other option or you don't have any other plan or what would I do if this or whatever.

Speaker 33 He was trying to be nice to these people, but this fucking

Speaker 33 gelatinous-headed moron

Speaker 33 is too wrapped up in the fantasy of who he thinks he is

Speaker 33 to fucking see that.

Speaker 33 And, you know, I'm sure he, he's another one of these people that doesn't mind. I slept in my car.
Well, good for you. I'm not going to sleep in a fucking car, asshole.

Speaker 33 I'm going to be a goddamn adult in a crazy business, but I'm not going to sleep in my car or stick myself in a sleeping bag on somebody's couch because I'm too much of a goddamn bum to be able to support myself.

Speaker 32 I don't want to grow up. I'm a Toys Res kid.

Speaker 33 Yeah, well, let him go back to fucking Munchkin Land and be the cabbage patch kid he wants to be.

Speaker 33 But JR was talking to aspiring professional athletes who may flunk out of the course.

Speaker 33 And Moxley's talking to a bunch of garbage championship wrestling wannabe dipshits who look just like him, a fucking corpse floating in a river for three days.

Speaker 32 Well, let me just, the final part of this question here that was sent in by Alexa.

Speaker 32 I'd like to know Jim's thoughts on this. Did he advise the developmental talent and OVW to have a backup plan? Is this something you advise talent or, you know, aspiring talent to have?

Speaker 33 Well, I didn't. The first thing that I said to everybody when they came in the door was, God damn, I hope you got some options, right? It wasn't the,

Speaker 33 and there was a number of people I suggested that they find new careers.

Speaker 33 Linda Miles, those Shane twins, I said, you people need to do something else, but that was after

Speaker 33 experiencing what they had to offer.

Speaker 33 But no, I would tell the guys, look,

Speaker 33 this is why we were trying to teach them how to be in a wrestling business. If you want to be in a wrestling business, pay your taxes.
Yes, I sent memos out on paying taxes and

Speaker 33 circulated the name of an accountant here in town that they could potentially go to.

Speaker 33 And we talked to them about keeping their records. And we mentioned to them that,

Speaker 33 you know, this is, it's fucking show biz and you might not get to be the movie star or the rock star or whatever.

Speaker 33 But here's, we're educating you and teaching you how to be in a wrestling business.

Speaker 33 And because you're here in Louisville, either you're on contract and you're making enough to get by and you can concentrate on your studies.

Speaker 33 Or you've already got a job and you're training and you're part-time. Nobody thought they were going to get fucking rich,

Speaker 33 but we were very clear with,

Speaker 33 you know, the pitfalls that you can fall into in the business and

Speaker 33 that, you know, it ain't a sure thing.

Speaker 33 But

Speaker 33 I never would have coached anybody. No, don't consider that this is not going to work out because it's probably not going to work out.
You're deluding yourself.

Speaker 33 It doesn't mean you don't have to try your hardest or work for it.

Speaker 33 If you know the odds are against you ahead of time, maybe that gives you some,

Speaker 33 what's the word I'm searching for? Some encouragement. I'm going to climb this mountain.

Speaker 33 But you can't just

Speaker 33 be single-minded. Like, yes, this is going to fucking happen for sure.
And I'm going to.

Speaker 33 be an idiot and fall through furniture until I'm 50 or it does. That's not, no.

Speaker 32 Yeah, sounds like a great book. But I thank you for your question.

Speaker 32 Jim, our next question via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Cody

Speaker 32 McMoyle. Mick Lemoyle.

Speaker 33 Is he one of the Moyle? Is he the Moyle?

Speaker 32 Not exactly sure.

Speaker 33 The Moyle cut my finger off.

Speaker 32 All right, let's go to the Moyles question. Cody the Moyle, that will be Cody's new gimmick.
What is Jim's opinion of why Nathan Jones never worked out?

Speaker 32 Dealings with him, if any, in OVW?

Speaker 32 I can understand why he didn't pan out, but seeing how devastating that kick to Nunzio was makes me wonder. Thank you for all the content.

Speaker 33 I don't remember seeing a kick to Nunzio.

Speaker 33 You know, Nathan Jones.

Speaker 33 They may have sent him to OVW one time just to work out, but I never even used him on television, and I don't remember the first conversation I've had with him.

Speaker 33 But the deal was a lot of people may not know or remember the name but this was 25 years ago or whenever

Speaker 33 he's this giant seven-foot guy where was he from australia i believe he was yeah i think so

Speaker 33 and they signed him and

Speaker 33 it i think he never got it it didn't work out he wasn't real good and then

Speaker 33 what was the

Speaker 33 This might be a goddamn Google thing, but

Speaker 33 somehow they brought him back and booked him. And he wanted to quit, but he waited until they booked him on the tour of Australia.

Speaker 33 And then when he was home, he just said fuck it and left and never came back.

Speaker 33 And he's been in movies and had

Speaker 33 different parts and things.

Speaker 33 Was he in prison for a while?

Speaker 33 I haven't brushed up on my Nathan Jones.

Speaker 32 According to Wikipedia, here

Speaker 33 or did he do a prison movie?

Speaker 32 He's a pro wrestler. He's a mixed martial artist.

Speaker 32 He was a strong man

Speaker 32 after WWE.

Speaker 32 On December 6, 2003, Jones quit the company due to the rigor of WWE's heavy travel schedule while on tour in Perth, Australia.

Speaker 33 There you go.

Speaker 32 He worked some shit. He worked for TNA.
He signed with TNA in 2008, but nerve damage. caused by a cement truck hitting his left arm.

Speaker 33 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 33 Wait a minute. It didn't hit the rest of him.
It just because, boy, that cement truck just barely touched me with the left arm. Thank goodness.

Speaker 32 It kept him sideline for the first three months. He never wrestled for the promotion.

Speaker 33 That's right. I was there in 2009.
I never saw him.

Speaker 32 Following a segment on Good Morning Australia, in which he lifted and pushed an oot

Speaker 32 down the street. U-T-E.

Speaker 33 And a what?

Speaker 32 Ute.

Speaker 33 Were these two Utes? What did he push to who did you?

Speaker 32 He's an Australian abbreviation for a car. So

Speaker 32 he pushed a car down the street, and then he was in a Jackie Chan movie, First Strike.

Speaker 32 And then he was in a Brad Pitt movie.

Speaker 32 Nothing about being arrested here, though.

Speaker 33 Okay, well, then he was in prison in a movie, I think, then.

Speaker 32 That's what it was.

Speaker 33 Yeah, didn't pan out.

Speaker 33 They said he was very odd.

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Speaker 32 Jim, our next question sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by John Viviani.

Speaker 32 You spent a lot of time in the territories on the road.

Speaker 32 As a car enthusiast, as well as a wrestling fan, I was wondering what car you and the Midnights used, or if there was a favorite type of car, the boys in general, like to rent or own.

Speaker 33 What I've talked about earlier in the program, some of the cars that I've had and we had, and no, our cars were always beat to shit

Speaker 33 because we're going up and down the roads in Louisiana or North Carolina or whatever.

Speaker 33 I'll tell you what, when we started working for Crockett and started flying more, the cars that we liked to rent in 85, 86, 87

Speaker 33 that the Hertz company had, and I had the Hertz gold card, they had these Mercuries and T-Birds that were turbo,

Speaker 33 were turbos. And they were, boy, they were sporty little things.

Speaker 33 And we used to like to try to rent those whenever possible. Now, if it was Flare and the Horseman or the big baby faces or whatever, they would always,

Speaker 33 you know, rent a Lincoln Continental or something like that. But that was an upcharge and it was harder to get availability.
We would always, me in the midnight, would always get the

Speaker 33 full-size four-door.

Speaker 33 And again, with Hertz, that was usually the T-Birds or the

Speaker 33 Ford Taurus or something like that. And that's what we would rent.

Speaker 33 But no, we,

Speaker 33 Dennis Condry at one point had his entire bank account in his driveway with his Corvette and the other, he liked cars,

Speaker 33 but we wouldn't take those things on the fucking road because it would beat him up. And me and Bobby always had whatever the cheapest thing was we could find that we could

Speaker 33 make the trips in. The Ford Taurus that I bought

Speaker 33 in 19,

Speaker 33 what was it, 1990?

Speaker 33 I had that for seven years until I got it for $12,000 from a car dealership over here in Shelbyville.

Speaker 33 And I had that for seven years until I was in Connecticut and it had like almost 300,000 miles on it. And Tony Rumble, his cousin, owned a Toyota dealership in Connecticut.
And I got a Camry.

Speaker 33 Exciting times.

Speaker 32 Sad ending to the story there, but thank you for the question. Was there a failure? No,

Speaker 33 the The Camry lasted even, it was up in, I think it was $265,000 or something like that.

Speaker 33 And then it was so beat up that we, I had it until I was in OVW.

Speaker 33 So we auctioned, didn't auction it, but we raffled it off. People bought raffle tickets for a dollar and I made 220-something bucks on it.

Speaker 32 Beyond the Midnight Express, what was considered the best car just to handle the road and the miles that you wouldn't mind driving amongst the other wrestlers

Speaker 33 and well

Speaker 33 i don't think it had anything to do with how it fucking handled on the road or drive the mileage or whatever it had to do with how the guys liked it and how it looked because remember everybody says when they do interviews about the old crocket days that the parking lot there at the office on briar bend looked like a mercedes and a bmw dealership But were they driving the shows or were they just driving it?

Speaker 32 Was that their home deal?

Speaker 33 A lot of them were driving them to the fucking shows.

Speaker 33 That's Magnum and Dusty were coming back from Greenville in that fucking Porsche that was just,

Speaker 33 it was the most expensive kind of Porsche you could buy.

Speaker 33 And that's, you know, and it didn't take water and slick roads well, unfortunately. But yeah, all those expensive fucking cars.
Remember the time Flair wanted me to drive his,

Speaker 33 it wasn't a, was it a Rolls-Royce? What the fuck was it?

Speaker 33 that no it wasn't a rolls royce because it was a foreign car but it was a hundred thousand dollar car in 1989

Speaker 33 and he wanted me to drive it back from atlanta to charlotte for him because he was going to stay over and fly i took it to a gas station on the outskirts of atlanta to to fill it up And it took me 30 minutes to figure out how to open the goddamn thing to get to the gas compartment.

Speaker 33 Right? It was this thing back before it was a common thing. It had heated seats and individual air conditioning and all these bells and whistles.
And

Speaker 33 I'm looking around in the goddamn glove compartment for the manual to try to find where the release is to open the goddamn

Speaker 33 gas thing. And I'm standing there at midnight.
on the outskirts of Atlanta off I-85 on the way to Charlotte with a $100,000 car and I can't fucking figure out how to put the gas in it.

Speaker 33 People are looking at me.

Speaker 33 So they had all kinds of taste in cars. Why, mine, whatever was cheapest.
I didn't care if people goddamn tarred and feathered it.

Speaker 32 All right, Jim, our next question via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Eric Kelly.

Speaker 32 Did Jim ever consider using Ronnie P. Gossett in Smoky Man Wrestling?

Speaker 32 He would have seemed like a good fit to me.

Speaker 33 Well, there's a fat joke in there somewhere, but Ronnie's gone. So,

Speaker 33 no, I never did. I mean,

Speaker 33 to be honest, between me and Ron Wright and Tammy, I think we had the managers, you know, buttoned up.

Speaker 33 And as much as I got a kick out of Ronnie, besides the fact that he

Speaker 33 lived in, I can't remember whether he was living in Memphis or Nashville in that last run that he had in the Memphis territory. But,

Speaker 33 I didn't particularly want him to come over and just do TV and fucking major shows. And I wasn't going to pay him to to come to the spot shows.

Speaker 33 And I would think that he'd have probably needed a good size fucking mulch trailer to travel around in at 500 pounds. I loved him.

Speaker 33 No, I,

Speaker 33 you know, I'm not knocking him, but it wasn't really a thing that I pursued. I don't think that he would have made a big business difference.
And I would have had to.

Speaker 33 drag him over to Knoxville and pay him 15 times a month. So it, it just, it wasn't a thing that was going to happen

Speaker 33 all right but he was entertaining around the boys too and i've one time where was it was it in memphis or was it on some independent show i it was an independent show in georgia

Speaker 33 this was late 90s one of the first independent shows probably i did and i punched him and he took a bump and i swear it was the funniest thing i've ever seen Because for people who haven't seen Ronnie P.

Speaker 33 Gossett, he literally was a human waterbed. He was six feet tall, but he weighed in a neighborhood of 500 pounds.
And he was,

Speaker 33 there was no muscular, there was no weight to him. He was all like a big Pillsbury doughboy marshmallow type of thing.

Speaker 33 And when I punched him in the chin, one of his chins,

Speaker 33 he threw his hands up and the arms up in the air and he kind of kicked a leg out and he kind of crumpled and went down and rolled. And I was like, what the fuck was that?

Speaker 33 But a 500-pound guy who's light on his feet take a bump like that.

Speaker 33 All right, are you still there?

Speaker 32 I am still here. And that was a good answer to the question, Ronnie P.
Gossett and Smokey Mountain. No, but he took a funny bump.
Now, I wish I could see it.

Speaker 32 Jim, before we get to some songs and get out of here real quick, let me grab this.

Speaker 32 On the topic of retro wrestling figures, because we haven't done this in a little while,

Speaker 32 Hastell Toys, their gimmicks and grappler, or grapplers and gimmicks, excuse me, line, has put out a few figures recently of some interesting gimmicks from the mid-90s in the WWF.

Speaker 32 Want to get your thoughts on them real quick. First figure here is a figure of John Pierre Lafitte.

Speaker 32 John Pierre Lafitte

Speaker 32 with his finishing move, the cannonball clobber.

Speaker 32 What did you think of the repackaging of Pierre as John Pierre Lafitte?

Speaker 33 Well,

Speaker 33 they used that at some point

Speaker 33 in between, what was it, in between,

Speaker 33 could have been in between the Mounty and what am I thinking? Because he went through a couple of different gimmicks, but at that point, they wanted him to be a pirate, right?

Speaker 32 Well, this is Pierre who was in the Quebecers with Jacques Rouge, and then he disappeared. He came back as a pirate.
And then I don't think he came back again.

Speaker 32 until he was in the amazing French Canadians, maybe in WCW.

Speaker 33 But Pierre was a heck of a, and still, you know, he's been working in recent years in TNA and other places, the monster gimmick, right? And he's,

Speaker 33 bless him, he takes wonderful bumps for his age, but he was a good talent, but I think he was easily led astray by, like, remember, I think the locker room had him convinced they were going to put the belt on him in Montreal and

Speaker 33 he didn't want to do a job for fucking

Speaker 33 Nash and all this other stuff, and it led to ill will.

Speaker 33 But yes, Jean-Pierre Lafitte was going to be the pirate. He was, you know what? That's something you don't hear enough these days also is about swashbucklers.

Speaker 33 Think about that. Used to be all the swashbucklers were the heroes, the Douglas Fairbanks seniors and the Tyrone Powers.

Speaker 33 and the swashbucklers. It's a phrase you don't hear enough of these days, swashbuckling.

Speaker 32 Was it as simple as he had one eye? So Vince is like, it must be a pirate.

Speaker 33 I think so. Yeah, he was blind in one eye.
So it did. But you know what? The thing is, they should have ribbed him and told him to wear the patch on the other eye just to change it up.

Speaker 32 Jim, here's another interesting one. Of course, Savio Vega would become a popular wrestler in the WWF.
And actually, I thought he was quite underrated.

Speaker 32 He had some good matches with Steve Austin and did some good stuff. But what about Kwang?

Speaker 32 Kwang with his finishing move, The Orient Chop.

Speaker 32 What do you remember about the gimmick, the masked Kwang?

Speaker 33 Well, again, Savio was a hell of a worker. And Savio, that's what he was in TNA as an agent.
It was because he had been an agent and booker and office personnel in Puerto Rico.

Speaker 33 He and Dutch knew each other well. And he,

Speaker 33 besides for his very strong accent, which was challenging at times to get to the bottom of it, shoot him, shoot him, who's him?

Speaker 33 But he knew what he was doing. And

Speaker 33 I liked Savio Vega as a gimmick because he, like you said, had good matches with Austin who wanted to work with him because he knew that Savio was helping him get over.

Speaker 33 The Kwang thing was when they were just trying to find shit to do with him. And he did know some martial arts, but it was a,

Speaker 33 to me, a pale imitation of, do you remember the TNT gimmick and the videos they did?

Speaker 32 My first exposure to him was seeing pictures of TNT in the magazines from Puerto Rico.

Speaker 33 In Puerto Rico, his original gimmick,

Speaker 33 or the one he came to be known by first, was TNT. He was a mass wrestler, but he did martial arts and they did

Speaker 33 a video of him, at least one, I remember it was so cool. to where it looked like it was a Puerto Rican James Bond movie.
And he was the secret, you know, fucking

Speaker 33 martial arts agent going around fucking leaping over these cars and doing all this cool looking shit.

Speaker 33 And Kwang was just kind of clang

Speaker 33 to me.

Speaker 33 But that was years later.

Speaker 32 All right, Jim. Well, Castell with their graphics and gimmicks recently put out a line of Charles Wright toys, including, of course, Papa Shango, The Godfather.

Speaker 32 But what are your thoughts on comma?

Speaker 32 Kama, the finishing move was to hear the comma crush, and it comes with a gold chain. What are your thoughts on comma?

Speaker 33 I think comma should have been done away with exclamation point.

Speaker 33 No, that was the thing is, and by the way, did they, they should have come up, did they do Soul Taker?

Speaker 32 They did not. They only did the WWF gimmicks.
Or at least

Speaker 33 actually. They ought to do his whole line.
Think about this. You could keep a toy company busy for a year and a half if they did a figure of every one of Don Fargo's gimmicks.
But no, with

Speaker 33 Papa Shango,

Speaker 33 etc.,

Speaker 33 the comma thing just didn't work.

Speaker 33 The Godfather was the best because that was closest to the person.

Speaker 33 But comma, you know, the...

Speaker 33 Vince didn't understand. That was the early days of UFC.

Speaker 33 They were trying to present him as some kind of MMA fighter, which he's a fighter, all right, but I don't know if the Gracie family has anything to worry about.

Speaker 32 And there had just been a fighter that got a lot of attention called Kimo in the UFC. So it was right after Kimo that was Kama.

Speaker 33 Right. And Kama.

Speaker 33 Kama Kimo. Uma Oprah.

Speaker 33 But it just, he was black. It didn't, the, the outfit, it did, it didn't fit Charles Wright.
It didn't fit Bear.

Speaker 33 So

Speaker 33 I think the initial early, you know, Papa Shango was all that show biz bullshit and everything. And

Speaker 33 Kama was just there, but the godfather finally blossomed. But Kama was not the

Speaker 33 jewel of his gimmick canon.

Speaker 32 Other than the tattoos, you would have no idea it's the same guy as Papa Shango. And when you think about it, the Godfather looks nothing like Kama, and Kama looks nothing like Papa Shango.

Speaker 32 Soul Taker had facial hair and hair.

Speaker 32 So his look kept changing. But one final one here, Jim.
A tag team

Speaker 32 Marty Jannetti and Al Snow, the new rockers

Speaker 32 with the Cassidy crunch and, of course, the rocker dropper, the Chuck Austin special.

Speaker 33 What the fuck? Why did they keep making up these names? Because these guys, they never won a match, so they didn't have a finish.

Speaker 33 But even with the guys that had finishes,

Speaker 33 they weren't clobbers and crunches.

Speaker 33 And that was at the time they

Speaker 33 Al Snow had come into into a lot of fanfare from myself, Jim Ross, other people that knew him.

Speaker 33 But he tried to do that springboard shit on real ropes instead of cables and fell the first time Vince saw him. And he was doomed from then on out.

Speaker 33 And they made him avatar

Speaker 33 and all this other shit. And they were trying to figure out shit to do with him.
And Jeannetti was in

Speaker 33 pretty much the same situation when Sean Michaels Michaels had been at the Knight of Legends in Knoxville for Smoky Mountain in August of 95, Jeannetti was booked on the card against Al Snow in a Midwest title match.

Speaker 33 And Sean and Marty hadn't seen each other in however many years at that point, but they got back together that night. Sean put a word in for Marty

Speaker 33 and they rehired him, but then they didn't know what to do with him. So when they've got two guys they don't know what to do with, they made them a tag team.

Speaker 33 And

Speaker 33 because Al could do spots and

Speaker 33 was athletic, they all were the new rockers. Well, what do we call them? Again,

Speaker 33 it was a fucking

Speaker 33 Vince didn't give a shit. Bruce is just trying to tickle him.

Speaker 33 What are we going to call Al?

Speaker 33 How about Al Snow? Well, no, the Rockers. So, they came up with

Speaker 33 a compilation of two teeny bopper idols this was 1997 and they went with leaf garrett and sean cassidy leaf cassidy not david the rockers and not even david but sean

Speaker 32 all right that's an interesting little twist there did al snow need to be goofy like was that the only way vince was going to put up with it he wanted him to be to show personality and be a character there or if they had done the new rockers as a serious thing without leaf cassidy being a clown character character.

Speaker 33 Well, no, Vince never said be goofy, but would you put him in a goofy outfit with a goofy gimmick and send him out there to have goofy matches? I'll started being goofy.

Speaker 33 Because he was like, well, what the fuck? I'll get noticed or fired one or the other.

Speaker 33 But yeah,

Speaker 33 it was rotten. That was the babyface equivalent of the new Midnight Express.
That was just fucking rotten. Fucking rotten.

Speaker 32 Well, there it is, Retro Figures. We'll revisit this again in the future.
But, Jim, with that, let's get out of here. after a song or two

Speaker 32 we have a song that's been sent in

Speaker 32 this to corny drivethrough gmail.com is the 50th song submission sent by rocky the ramon oh rocky let's go to this

Speaker 34 speedball my bailey Who is this fucking guy? Speedball Mike Bailey, not placing to the human eye.

Speaker 34 This guy is small, I mean really small, and his run has been a flop.

Speaker 34 He doesn't look tough, he really sucks with his Hong Kong fooy slop.

Speaker 34 Speedball, Mike Bailey, who is this fucking guy?

Speaker 34 Speedball, Mike Bailey, not placing to the human eye.

Speaker 34 Chicken chum, chicken chump chicken, chick cha cha cha cha cha chicky chump, just another action figure for Tony Khan.

Speaker 34 Speedball, Mike Bailey, Horrific.

Speaker 33 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 33 There you go. There you go.

Speaker 32 Rocky's back.

Speaker 33 Rocky's back, baby.

Speaker 32 Wow, very good.

Speaker 32 Speedball, Mike Bailey. Thank you, Rocky of the Rome.
We'll hear more from him, I'm sure, in the future. Let's get one more song here this week, Jim.

Speaker 32 This one

Speaker 32 was sent. The song name is the Louisville Slugger.
You're allowed to use the song.

Speaker 32 This was sent by Jake.

Speaker 33 Well, thank you very much for giving us permission.

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Speaker 32 All right, there's not a human being involved in it.

Speaker 33 I was about to say, that's way too good for our people.

Speaker 32 Thank you, Jake. And thank you for watching.

Speaker 33 I don't know. Now, to be honest, I don't know what the state of country music is these days because I seldom, if ever, have listened to it.

Speaker 33 But I'm pretty sure that's kind of a standard AI make me a country song about

Speaker 33 my grandmother being run over by a train.

Speaker 32 All right, one final song we can't end on AI. This one was sent to CorneyDriveTruerGmail.com from Kev Smith,

Speaker 32 a parody song for the show. I've emailed this one, but it's never made the show.
Thought I would try again. No AI.

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Speaker 32 We'll be back next week on the drive-thru, and of course, in a few days on the experience for Jim Cornette, I'm the great Brian Last.

Speaker 32 Tally ho!

Speaker 36 The rivalry that shaped football, the players who defined an era. For the first time ever in LA, the icons of FC Barcelona and Real Madrid take the pitch at BMO Stadium.

Speaker 36 Watch the Legends series, FC Barcelona Legends vs. Real Madrid Leyendas.
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Speaker 7 Celebrate 100 years of high-flying dunks.

Speaker 11 100 years of show-stopping moves.

Speaker 14 And 100 years of changing the game.