Episode 398

Transcript

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game, it's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 4 The Harlem Globetrotters 100-year tour.

Speaker 9 Celebrate 100 years of high-flying dunks, 100 years of show-stopping moves, and 100 years of changing the game.

Speaker 4 Bring the whole family and be part of the legacy.

Speaker 15 This game is once in a century.

Speaker 20 Be there at Chase Center on January 18th.

Speaker 21 Go to HarlemGlobetrotters.com for your tickets to the 100-year tour.

Speaker 25 League One volleyball is coming to Minnesota in 2027. The world's best players together on American soil.
This is volleyball like you've never seen before.

Speaker 25 Huge swings, massive blocks, jaw-dropping digs. A sport where every play is a highlight.
To learn more and get first access, visit LOVBMinnesota.com/slash iHeart.

Speaker 25 League One volleyball is back. The world's best players together on American soil.
This is volleyball like you've never seen before.

Speaker 25 Huge swings, massive walks, jaw-dropping digs. A sport where every play is a highlight.

Speaker 25 League One volleyball returns January 7th, 2026, with teams in Atlanta, Austin, Houston, Madison, Nebraska, and Salt Lake. To buy tickets, visit LLVB.com/slash iHeart.

Speaker 4 I dropped paper. All right.
Hello again, friends.

Speaker 4 And you are our friends, another happy edition, summertime edition.

Speaker 4 It's summertime and the living is easy. Welcome to Jim Cornett's drive-thru.

Speaker 4 I'm your host, the great Brian Last. We have a lot to get through today.
Let's see how we do as we are recording. It is the hottest day of the year.

Speaker 4 And it's only about to get hotter with this man, the leader of the cult of cornets, Mr. Hothead himself, Jim Cornette.

Speaker 26 Summertime.

Speaker 26 Yeah, it's I. What's your dew point?

Speaker 26 There, fella. What is your dew point?

Speaker 4 I'll

Speaker 4 check for you. 73.

Speaker 26 Son of a gun, you're right up there. What's your air temperature?

Speaker 4 96, maybe. I don't have you.
You let me check the dew point. They didn't even check the real temperature.

Speaker 26 Jesus Christ. Okay.
It is officially hotter in New Jersey

Speaker 26 than it is down. And where you live with all the forests around you and the big feet and everything.
It's even cooler out there. It's hotter in New Jersey than it is down in Kentucky.
It's 93 here

Speaker 26 with a due point of

Speaker 26 around the metropolitan area that's being reported anywhere from ones I saw 70 to 74. So you, you got us.

Speaker 26 But we all got the heat index where you can't walk outside.

Speaker 26 We're inside the refrigerated cocoons that we have built for ourselves, you and I, where it's, it's, it's, the living is easy as long as you don't venture out into the world where it slaps you in the face.

Speaker 26 Fucking,

Speaker 26 there are people that listen to this show around the world. I understand 3% of them in Australia.
I don't know what the weather's like down there right now.

Speaker 26 But imagine that you go into your bathroom, you turn the shower on full hot blast, close, leave, close the door, and let it run for 30 minutes and then walk back into it.

Speaker 26 Is that what it feels like to you there, Brian Lass? It's bad.

Speaker 4 And it was bad early in the morning when I went outside of the Wakswami at like 7 7 a.m. I'm like, oh, it's already hot and balmy.
This is not a good start to the day.

Speaker 26 Oh, no, the lows are not going below like the high 77, 78 with humidity for the night. So with the first thing when you walk out, it's bop.

Speaker 26 And then you're struggling to breathe with the air quiet. You're right next to New York.

Speaker 26 So imagine all of that rat shit and bum vomit on the streets of New York City that is baking in that heat and wafting in your general direction.

Speaker 4 No, I know. New York City is really hot.
Because when I used to work there, I get off the Long Island Railroad.

Speaker 4 I had two options: take the subway, which is go underground on the hottest day there is and sweat more, or I could just walk. And that's what I would do.
I would get a good work.

Speaker 26 Now, here's a question. Here's a question that I've never thought of before.
The subway is not air-conditioned.

Speaker 26 Is there air conditioning in

Speaker 4 subway station? In the subway. The subway station.

Speaker 4 Oh, no. Oh, no.
The subway itself. Yeah, there may be.
Probably.

Speaker 26 Draw a

Speaker 26 for those of us like me who have always lived in civilized places our entire lives and didn't have to scurry about in tubes underground like rodents in a fucking science display.

Speaker 26 How does that work?

Speaker 26 I've seen the entrances. We've walked past them.
As I remember, you and I probably walked past one where I said, I would never go down to that son of a bitch.

Speaker 26 You go in there and it's, I've seen the movies. Pelham 123.

Speaker 4 That's the example of the subway.

Speaker 26 The one with Walter Mathow now, not the fucking remake where they fucked it all up. But that's, I've seen the subway.
It's, it's a, there's a platform and the, the, everything.

Speaker 26 That's not, there's no air down there. There's no air flowing around where you're standing around.
No.

Speaker 4 And usually those are the days where the subway's late, so you're just standing there in the heat while some lunatic's like taking off his clothes, and another person's playing music.

Speaker 26 Are they working together as the person taking their clothes off to the beat of the music?

Speaker 4 Seriously, I've seen some amazing musicians in the subway, and all I'm thinking is they're sweating all day while they're making this great music. I'll give them eight dollars for the CD.

Speaker 26 But what about the strippers? Have you seen amazing strippers in the subway?

Speaker 4 No, amazing strippers. That's a great name.

Speaker 26 Amazing strippers. How sweet they're tits.

Speaker 4 Tonight on Amazing Strippers, she has four tits.

Speaker 4 Amazing.

Speaker 26 That the extra nipple thing could probably make you a tip.

Speaker 26 But anyway, but you think the weather is bad here, Brian? Have you heard about what happened in the news? It's just a brief news bulletin update. What happened this weekend in Florida?

Speaker 4 No, actually.

Speaker 4 weather-related. No, I do not know anything about the weather in Florida currently.

Speaker 26 Between, I don't know the exact number, but between four and five people got hit by lightning in Florida this past weekend.

Speaker 26 And you always hear, oh, you got as much chance of being hit by lightning. Apparently, it's quite common in Florida.

Speaker 26 Four people this weekend, that's that's four or five. That's

Speaker 26 apparently three in one clump.

Speaker 4 What county?

Speaker 26 They didn't mention the county.

Speaker 4 I think that's another thing. I mean, it's a big state.
Were they all in like the same area? Was it just all over the state?

Speaker 26 Well, no, it was in random incidents. The three were in the same place and they all got hit together.

Speaker 26 And then the other one or ones or whatever was, but it's just a bunch of people got hit by lightning. You see, you're trying to pick this apart

Speaker 26 to the point of the thing.

Speaker 4 If you get hit by lightning in Jacksonville and another guy gets hit by lightning at Key West, it's kind of like being in two different places. It's not the same state, even though it is.

Speaker 26 Well, you know what? We're going to argue this point about how far things are from things here a little bit later on in the program.

Speaker 26 But nevertheless, there's a buttload of people who got hit by fucking lightning in Florida. The three women said they were, the storm came up and they were bundled under a tiki hut.

Speaker 26 And bam, apparently, even though the lightning did not hit the tiki hut in question, it apparently traveled through the ground. And they said they were near enough to them.

Speaker 26 They said the next thing they knew, they

Speaker 26 woke up disoriented, I think.

Speaker 26 And I can

Speaker 26 identify with that as a former lightning strikey.

Speaker 26 Kids, if you haven't heard the story, I'm sure it's on YouTube. Look up Lightning Striking Cornet or whatever the fuck.
Not the ones that people wish on me,

Speaker 26 but the actual stories that I've told of that before. But

Speaker 26 anyhow,

Speaker 26 I just thought that was was odd that strange things keep happening. Do you think this is, where's Nanny? Remember Nanny and the Professor?

Speaker 4 I don't know what the hell's going on over there. I do not know Nanny and the Professor.
What's that?

Speaker 26 Oh, that was the, no, with Juliet Mills and Richard Long, the 60s situation comedy, where the professor got a nanny for the kids and she was a...

Speaker 26 Well, I hate to say the word witch. That sounds derogatory, but she was supernatural.

Speaker 26 A Phoebe Figalilly is a silly name and so many silly things keep happening has this ever been in reruns i've never seen what is that magic thing they call nanny oh that well i saw it first run you know that's a show that ought to be rerun more often how many episodes were there

Speaker 26 probably not enough

Speaker 26 but she made magic with the things she did

Speaker 26 And I believe she either levitated or

Speaker 26 flew about.

Speaker 4 And this was the same time as Bewitched?

Speaker 26 Well, goddamn, just Google it then now, because I don't have my reference material where I can reach with my headphones on. Nanny and the Professor.
I think they were on ABC.

Speaker 4 Oh, here it is. Nanny and the Professor, early 70s.

Speaker 4 It aired from January 21st, 1970 to December 27th, 1971.

Speaker 26 There you go, concurrent with Bewitched, because Bewitched ran till 72.

Speaker 4 And there's two seasons, three seasons, excuse me. So they should have enough episode.
Well, 54.

Speaker 26 No, they said they were they a mid-season replacement. Did they get canceled in mid-season?

Speaker 4 Only 54 episodes were completed.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 And for early, for early 70s network, a full season at that point was still,

Speaker 26 what, 30 episodes? Because it was 39 in the old days.

Speaker 4 The series first aired as a mid-season replacement on January 21st, 1970 on ABC, with the final episode broadcast December 27, 71.

Speaker 4 The series enjoyed initial success due to its Friday night time slot when it was scheduled between the Brady Bunch and the Partridge family.

Speaker 4 Well, at Murderer's Row, which were shows aimed at similar demographics.

Speaker 4 Ratings suffered in the third season when ABC moved the series to Monday night opposite Gunsmoke and Rowan and Martin's Laughing.

Speaker 26 Go! The death slot.

Speaker 4 After the series was canceled, it was seen for a few years in syndication. It was also one of the first shows rerun on the FX network in 1994.

Speaker 4 The show was added to the Get TVs lineup in May 2016 for a short time and briefly appeared on Nick at Night.

Speaker 4 Well, there you go.

Speaker 4 Oh, Ray Bulger.

Speaker 4 Ray Bulger played Uncle Horace.

Speaker 26 That's right.

Speaker 26 That is correct.

Speaker 26 He wasn't a horse. His name was Horace.

Speaker 26 Because that was a whole nother show with a different gimmick.

Speaker 4 All right. This is your show.

Speaker 26 No, it's not, but I've got to take you. Somebody is taking you to task, and I've got to let you know about this.

Speaker 26 Make you aware of this. There's been somewhat of a sanctions sent down.

Speaker 26 We've gotten a letter from the people. We've heard from them a time or two before, but the people at NAGS.

Speaker 26 You remember NAGS, fine, esteemed organization that they are, Brian.

Speaker 4 I have no idea what NAGS Nags is, though.

Speaker 26 The North American Gerbiling Society.

Speaker 4 Oh, Jesus Christ, this.

Speaker 4 No, we've heard from them.

Speaker 26 We've heard what we've heard from them on a matter or two before, but dear Jim, it has come to our attention here at NAGS,

Speaker 26 the North American Gerbiling Society. that Brian Last has violated his oath and the bylaws of our beloved society.

Speaker 26 On a recent episode of the drive-thru, Brian Last denied that there were any creatures or pets frolicking across and therefore tickling the ivories of his organ.

Speaker 26 Because remember, I accused you on one of these solos you played, like, you know, fucking Richie Blackmore on bad acid or whatever.

Speaker 26 I said, you've got just random critters, squirrels, rodents, marmosets, whatever they may be,

Speaker 26 running across your keyboard is making that sound, and you denied that.

Speaker 26 And they go on to say, in fact, it was a gerbil producing those notes, and it's a gerbil that tickles more than one organ belonging to Brian Last.

Speaker 26 Brian will deny this when confronted, which is simply acceptable.

Speaker 4 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 26 It will break his heart, but henceforth, Brian Last is disfellowshipped

Speaker 26 and forfeits any rights and pleasures previously afforded to him by NAGS, North American Gerbling Society. It's signed by Vince R., the president and the vice president.

Speaker 4 Vince R. Yeah, Vince R.
Okay.

Speaker 26 Vince R. and Kenny O, or they're a tag team

Speaker 26 vison president. Well, you know what they are.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 26 But that came to my attention.

Speaker 4 There's people with a lot of time.

Speaker 4 Well, no, they're handsome, let's tell you.

Speaker 26 And people, they take this quite seriously.

Speaker 4 Oh, there he goes.

Speaker 26 Oh, yes, see?

Speaker 4 That was the piano, not the organ.

Speaker 26 Come back, George.

Speaker 26 Would you like to hear from a this is a this didn't go through the official channels for the drive-through, but it follows up on something that

Speaker 26 we talked about here a week or two ago, however long it's been.

Speaker 26 Kind of one of the subjects that we were talking about. we now have a

Speaker 26 this was emailed directly to me because i don't know whether they considered your

Speaker 26 your email possibly trusted enough maybe the foreign ministers hacked into it or whatever this was sent to me by back channel hello hello back channel well no we well i i'm telling you right now

Speaker 26 that my channel will remain in the back.

Speaker 4 We have. So your gerbils remain too, your back channel.

Speaker 26 We have now stopped talking about them they're innocent animals we have eyewitness testimony from a normal human being that has gone to the garbage wrestling show

Speaker 26 that has ventured out into that

Speaker 26 subculture or underculture or lack of culture or whatever they call it and has gone to one of the garbage shows to report back

Speaker 26 to us here in the main world of logic and reason.

Speaker 26 Would you like to hear some of the observations, Brian?

Speaker 4 I don't know where you're going, so this will be interesting. All of a sudden, you're getting these first-hand reports from people about these things.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 you know, I'm telling you, most of the time, you know, you are filtering out the drech for me and sending me the interesting stuff. But every once in a while, somebody sends it to me via my own email.

Speaker 26 Good day to you, gentlemen.

Speaker 26 I committed a sin against the wrestling business, and I wanted to confess this folly to none other than the leader of the cult of cornet at COC himself and his trusty co-host.

Speaker 26 Last night, June 20th, I attended a garbage championship wrestling show in Little Rock.

Speaker 26 They're running Little Rock now.

Speaker 26 One of the

Speaker 26 you would think one of the more traditionally minded markets in the country, not

Speaker 26 acceptive to such tomfoolery, right?

Speaker 26 But he says, I've never watched a GCW show before and had no idea the event was taking place until they announced the return of Elena Black, FKA Cora Jade of WWE fame. So she's

Speaker 26 one of the young ladies that they recently released. That we

Speaker 26 then has gone back to using her, I guess, her regular

Speaker 26 real or older assumed name.

Speaker 4 Has that passed the name test for you, Elena Black?

Speaker 26 It ain't bad.

Speaker 26 I can't see nothing wrong right now, just on the surface of it, with Elena Black. But wait,

Speaker 26 there is more.

Speaker 26 So apparently, we'll get back to the email. He's Elena Black, formerly Corey Jade.
I saw an opportunity to support a wrestler that I'm a big fan of. Wrestlers have to make a living somehow.

Speaker 26 So I shelled out 70 smackaroos for a

Speaker 26 front row twicket.

Speaker 26 I shelled out 70 smackaroos for a front row ticket quicker than Dick the Boozer blades himself. Plus, it's only a two-hour drive from Memphis, so I figured why not? He must be supporting her.

Speaker 26 $70 for a ticket to an independent, using that term politely, wrestling show and driving two hours each way.

Speaker 4 I also subscribe to her OnlyFans, and I know what her birthday is. This sounds a little creepy.

Speaker 26 But no, no, he's actually, you know, you'll see he has somewhat of a level head to him, despite this.

Speaker 26 It might work out in the end, is what I'm saying to you.

Speaker 26 He continues: the apprehension that stewed inside of my gut over this decision only intensified when they announced that Elena would be facing jelly fucking Nutella.

Speaker 26 He's wrestling women in Little Rock now. If there's any parole officers that need to know any kind of information.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 this email writer says, when I left an unfavorable comment on a Facebook post in regards to the skinny fat fuck, Joey himself saw my remark and responded with, sell your ticket.

Speaker 26 We don't want you there.

Speaker 26 And he enclosed, he attached a screenshot of him saying this. Bubba Smith is his name, by the way.

Speaker 26 And he's attached a screenshot of him

Speaker 26 saying, I bought a fur row ticket for this as soon as they announced her. And I've been nervous about attending Garbage Championship Wrestling ever since and seeing her booked versus Jelly Nutella.

Speaker 26 I love Elena, but man,

Speaker 26 I don't know what this last line means, but it might mean. I hope the Twin Peaks in Little Rock is good because I'm fearful of this show.

Speaker 26 Is that a diner or a local establishment?

Speaker 4 TV show didn't take place in Little Rock. I have no idea.

Speaker 26 Well, anyway, Joey Janello responds.

Speaker 26 That might, there you go. That sounds like it.

Speaker 4 Twin Peaks? Yeah.

Speaker 26 But he responded, sell your ticket. We don't want you there

Speaker 26 to the random fans that are buying a ticket for $70.

Speaker 4 By the way, where is he supposed to sell it?

Speaker 26 Well, there's a big secondary market in tickets to Twin Peaks. Oh, I'm at the wrestling show.
Yeah, no, that might not be so easy

Speaker 26 especially if if he could buy a front row ticket to the show as soon as they announced her was she the first thing they announced hey that thing you were going at it with on social media is outside how do you know there's a guy out there scalping tickets

Speaker 26 he was one ticket Prime Minnesota fans are bringing back tickets from last show for a refund. Anyway, back to the email.

Speaker 26 It was at this moment that I decided to wear my cornet face shirt to the show

Speaker 26 so that everyone would know that I wasn't there to enjoy their tomfoolery.

Speaker 26 Waiting in line for the doors to open in that oppressive Arkansas humidity had us all sweating, as Chris Candido would say, like Marilyn Manson at a Baptist revival.

Speaker 26 which only amplified the smell from the lack of those around me applying proper personal care products.

Speaker 26 I felt as though I was the only one in attendance who had not partaken in a mild-altering substance of some description.

Speaker 26 Once doors were open and a man with no pinky finger on his left hand waved me through with his metal detecting wand.

Speaker 26 When is that the first time that those English words have ever been put together in that order before?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, maybe the guy had an accident. I don't want to laugh.
We don't know who this pinkiless man is.

Speaker 26 Well, maybe he just didn't deliver the package properly.

Speaker 4 If you have no pinky, do you think your nickname is pinky?

Speaker 26 No, I think your nickname is Don't Do It Again, Motherfucker. We'll take the whole hand.

Speaker 26 But anyway,

Speaker 26 so Bubba here grabbed a beer and stood in a bemused state of what I'd gotten into. That was until a fine gentleman approached and recited the official cockwoo greeting.
No.

Speaker 26 Remember the cult of cornet wrestling integrity watchers. Cockwoo!

Speaker 26 To which we then interlocked our middle fingers and said, fuck them.

Speaker 26 It was nice to see at least one other level-headed human being in that bunch of nuts.

Speaker 4 I can't believe that. Come on.

Speaker 26 Well, no, they know the, you know, because he had the shirt.

Speaker 4 You haven't even addressed that stupid, whatever, cockwoo

Speaker 4 for a year.

Speaker 26 Well, there, it's an underground thing that people know about that are in the know.

Speaker 26 Bell time came upon us, and the ring announcer hyped everyone up by screaming fuck multiple times in between other words that I didn't care to listen to

Speaker 26 um

Speaker 26 and this is a long email so i will skip through some things but

Speaker 26 there was a fat guy with a fat jitsu gimmick but he couldn't work and he whiffed his shit

Speaker 26 and then apparently louisville's own billy starks took on adam priest

Speaker 26 And apparently they do the much of the inter-species type wrestling here with the men and the women.

Speaker 4 Gender, not species.

Speaker 26 Well, whichever.

Speaker 26 But anyway,

Speaker 26 the babyface got an upset win over the dick heel. So the girls beat the guys here, too.

Speaker 26 Match number three was for the tag team championship when the team of Buck Nasty consisting of Buck Skinner, S-K-Y-N-Y-R,

Speaker 26 you read that right. There's no D to be had here.

Speaker 26 And a guy named Rob Shit

Speaker 26 came out, slapped hands with fans, jumped the two grimacing Pip Squeak champions, ringside brawling, furniture in the ring.

Speaker 26 All four doing what they wanted for several minutes until suddenly two of the participants were on the apron getting tagged in.

Speaker 26 This didn't last long as all four were soon back in the ring doing shit to each other until the Pip Squeaks won.

Speaker 26 then they had Blake Christian versus a

Speaker 26 Japanese wrestling girl whose name escapes me.

Speaker 26 Uh, so there's another. Oh,

Speaker 26 when Blake dove outside the ring and the Japanese girl held up a door that Blake landed into, he sent the door hurtling towards a woman two seats down from me, smacking her in the face.

Speaker 26 87750 Steve.

Speaker 26 Stone Cold hit the barricade of mania, and Nick Conn was there to immediately check on the woman who was selling like Shawn Michaels did against Hogan.

Speaker 26 Yet the woman next to me got hit in the face by a door just to be quickly asked, Are you okay by some fat yuts wearing a t-shirt that he forgot to take out of the dryer?

Speaker 26 Oh,

Speaker 26 skipping ahead, Elena Black.

Speaker 26 I'm fond of her in the way that Brian is fond of Anna J,

Speaker 26 who I'm also fond of as well.

Speaker 4 Athleticism.

Speaker 26 He doesn't, he just leaves it there.

Speaker 26 Nevertheless, Jelly Nutella brought this down for me. They had a garbage match.
So now they've got intergender species garbage matches

Speaker 26 after they've already had the regular inter-gender species matches on the show.

Speaker 26 He goes,

Speaker 26 it pained me to see a woman of Elena's caliber have to resort to this. Jelly threw a chair at Elena's head, then did the saboo pose, which made me hang my head in shame.

Speaker 26 He really does think he's some badass wrestler who's doing this wonderfully. They used chairs and fought on the floor until Jelly won.

Speaker 26 This left me feeling like a balloon three weeks after the party.

Speaker 26 So he beats the girl, the ex-WWE star that might have drawn, did draw one guy.

Speaker 26 And he beats a girl. And then...

Speaker 4 Hey, listen, I think he may dominate the women's division if he keeps this up.

Speaker 26 But wait a minute. He then got on the microphone to thank Elena and tell us that they put on a show for us.
Geez, Jelly, thanks for telling me.

Speaker 26 I thought you were doing this bullshit for the flies fucking in the restroom.

Speaker 26 Their championship.

Speaker 26 Effie, the champion, defended against action Mike Jackson.

Speaker 26 The Mike Jackson. He's 70 fucking, what is it, six?

Speaker 26 I've known Mike Jackson for, I watched Mike Jackson on TV when I was a kid. Really? Seriously.

Speaker 26 He's amazing. But

Speaker 26 they were in Arkansas. I thought Alabama, but no, Arkansas.
But nevertheless, back to the email. After 50 years in the business, actually, it's 55.

Speaker 26 I wonder if being in the ring with a man wearing fishnets and acting like a less gay Orlando Jordan was the lowest point of Mike's career.

Speaker 26 Effie won, and I realized that's where he got his name because I asked myself, why the F is he in the wrestling business?

Speaker 26 Effie then got on the mic and said he's been doing this for 11 years and hopes his career is bountiful, is as bountiful as the 70-year-old man's is who just lost to a man wearing fishnets.

Speaker 26 He didn't say that verbatim, but I was thinking it.

Speaker 4 Well, it seems like good sportsmanship, at least after these matches. Everyone gets on the mic and thanks their opponent.

Speaker 26 yes and

Speaker 26 i appreciate the opportunity to to whip this 70 year old man here today or this 120 pound girl finally time for the main event shot see blackheart versus some hot topic looking

Speaker 4 i'm not sure

Speaker 26 i don't know

Speaker 26 But let's read the description. We'll try to figure if it...

Speaker 26 This was exactly what I knew it would be. They fought in places I couldn't even see, did some sloppy shit, jabbed skewers into their head.

Speaker 26 And the match ended when Shotzi was slammed through glass. Oh, wait.
No, it didn't. The glass was a two count.

Speaker 26 The hot topic reject fuck.

Speaker 26 Then picked Shotzi up and gave her an inverted DDT.

Speaker 26 Instead of your standard DDT, this move sees person A grab person B like they're about to do a running bulldog

Speaker 26 but instead person a just falls belly first to the mat

Speaker 26 driving b headfirst along with them

Speaker 26 wouldn't that mean that you're doing a face plant to yourself

Speaker 26 as well

Speaker 4 hello i guess so

Speaker 26 well then how the fuck is that supposed to what are we here let's both commit suicide what is that

Speaker 26 how are you going going to beat somebody with something when it knocks you the fuck out?

Speaker 26 Nevertheless,

Speaker 26 I grabbed a piece of the glass to examine, and I've attached a picture of it for you to see also.

Speaker 26 They asked me if it was sugar glass. I told them I hadn't tasted it to check.
I couldn't really tell anything by the picture, but

Speaker 26 yeah, and also they have doors under the ring for the guys and girls to sit up on chairs and put themselves through.

Speaker 26 instead of tables. He said, I thought if only there were already in existence some sort of contraption made of particle board with folding legs that could be used

Speaker 26 instead of erecting this dumb shit.

Speaker 26 I've seen that before. There was a, this,

Speaker 26 it has to be years ago now because I was actually at a wrestling show.

Speaker 26 But they say, oh, they don't make the right kind of tables anymore. We're having a hard time finding the right kind of tables.
So they were just getting

Speaker 26 like the light wood-grade

Speaker 26 door with no knob or hinge or anything in it from Home Depot. And I said, Well, what sense does it make to have a fucking bare, empty, goddamn, unvarnished, unfinished fucking door

Speaker 26 stacked up? Even the table could be used for something, but what?

Speaker 26 Well, we can't get the

Speaker 26 tables. It don't have the fucking tables.

Speaker 4 All right. That's just me.
What was the name of this guy that sent in this email?

Speaker 26 Bubba. Bubba Smith.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Bubba. Never send anything in again.

Speaker 4 But thank you.

Speaker 26 I thought it was a good dissertation. He's a bore.

Speaker 4 He doesn't know how to write anything.

Speaker 26 He's a good dissertation of what the average person has to put up with.

Speaker 4 The average person?

Speaker 26 When they go to one of these things.

Speaker 4 Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 All right.

This is volleyball like you've never seen before. Huge swings, massive blocks, jaw-dropping digs.

Speaker 25 A sport where every play is a highlight. League One volleyball returns January 7, 2026, with teams in Atlanta, Austin, Houston, Madison, Nebraska, and Salt Lake.

Speaker 25 To buy tickets, visit lobb.com/slash iHeart.

Speaker 26 One more thing I found,

Speaker 26 because, you know, we've been talking about my files, and I've been going through stuff that I'd been stacked in the drawer, et cetera.

Speaker 26 And it's all over the place. But some of this stuff I realized because I've moved a number of times,

Speaker 26 these two things right here may never have left this house for 20 years until we had everything.

Speaker 26 remodeled, but

Speaker 26 it ties into what some of the things that we've been talking about in our discussions this

Speaker 26 season

Speaker 26 about the Eddie Gilbert dark side of the ring, the Eddie Gilbert wrestling news file,

Speaker 26 the

Speaker 26 different ways that Eddie, you know, was preparing for getting in the business, et cetera.

Speaker 26 And I found two letters from him from 1982. Would you like to hear a couple of

Speaker 26 epserts? Yeah. Or excerpts real quick.

Speaker 4 No, the previous episodes are really good.

Speaker 26 So I want to hear those episodes. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 4 82. So 81, him and Ricky Morton were teaming up in Memphis.
83 or the end of 82, he goes to the WWF.

Speaker 4 Was he in Puerto Rico or is he already in WWF?

Speaker 26 Well, hold on.

Speaker 26 Because remember,

Speaker 26 did I tell the story when we talked about the Dark Side of the Ring episode with Evan Husty or when we talked about it afterwards when it aired?

Speaker 26 But remember the Christmas time that Eddie and Tommy at the end of 1981, because Regan Morton had already left territory.

Speaker 26 Eddie and Tommy Gilbert were teaming at the end of 81 and they got in the Christmas punch at the Louisville Gardens. Oh, that's right.
You remember me telling you that story?

Speaker 26 Christine Jarrett flipping out because the Gilberts got into the Gilberts got in the spiked punch, right?

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 I found this and I looked at at it. I said, my God, I don't even remember this ever existed.
But this is a letter from Eddie,

Speaker 26 January 15th, 1982. And he always dated his

Speaker 26 letters, thank goodness.

Speaker 26 Then it's a letter. It's not an email that didn't exist.
It's on notebook paper. And he wrote to give me his new address.
That's when they went to Kansas City, or at least he did.

Speaker 26 Tommy may have gone somewhere else, but Eddie went to Kansas City for a brief time.

Speaker 26 And he gave me his new address because he's, I need some more black, white, eight by tens like you gave me before. I was still the photographer, right? So,

Speaker 26 and Eddie's always won pictures for publicity.

Speaker 26 But he said, I really hated what happened in Louisville that night, but I just had to let my feelings out. When I saw this, I was like, oh, my God.

Speaker 4 Oh, wow.

Speaker 26 I forgot. He said, if you just knew how they treated my dad all the time he wrestled there and then started on me, I think you would have to blow your top.
Also,

Speaker 26 I talked to your mother about it one night right before I left. I hope you or her don't hold nothing against me and my dad for all of that.

Speaker 4 Whoa, so this is interesting. All those stories about Eddie in the office having issues in Memphis, you started hearing them from like 88 on.

Speaker 4 This is him before he ever booked or did anything. He flipped out.
What happened? What do you remember?

Speaker 26 Well, I know, remember, I said, with the

Speaker 26 they had

Speaker 26 originally it started with, as I recall, being the ringside photographer, one of the ringside fans, heckling fucking Eddie for being the young baby faced little kid that looked like he was 12 years old with Tommy.

Speaker 26 And Tommy got mad. And as remember, as I said,

Speaker 26 the manager of the Louisville Gardens, what was her goddamn name? Not Germaine to the story now.

Speaker 26 Or maybe it was Al N T.

Speaker 26 One of the administrators of the Louisville Gardens

Speaker 26 had

Speaker 26 brought punch in a little Christmas, because it was right before the holidays set up in the back, and somebody had spiked the punch. And Tommy and Eddie had gotten the punch.

Speaker 26 And Tommy was picking at the ringside fan, and it ended up, and they're the baby faces. Tommy and Eddie both jumped down and went into ringside.
There was a shoving, and the cops got them back.

Speaker 26 And then they went in the back, and there was some yelling and hoopla going on. But I was at that time,

Speaker 26 I couldn't go down the locker rooms. I didn't know the full effect of it, but that's when Teeny afterwards had said, oh, they pitched a fit.
And,

Speaker 26 you know, but apparently Eddie had apologized to my mom at the show. I can't remember that.
This is 45 years ago.

Speaker 4 Well, that's interesting, too.

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, Eddie is a little different than other wrestlers because he was your contemporary and you knew him before he was a wrestler and you guys both went to the WFIA and everything but did other guys know your mom the fact that he apologized to your mom and spoke to your mom about all this is interesting.

Speaker 26 Well, yeah, only

Speaker 26 because

Speaker 26 she was there constantly. If, if, if we were at Evansville, I was at Ringside taking pictures.
She was selling the pictures at the merchandise stand. The same thing in Louisville.

Speaker 26 We were out and in and out the back door carrying the stuff. They interacted constantly.
Lexington.

Speaker 26 I think.

Speaker 26 I'm not going to rule out that Eddie might not have taken a couple of trips with us because my mom, as I've told you, like me,

Speaker 26 I don't ride in a car with anybody else driving. My mom didn't ride in a car with anybody else driving.
So, if I went and we and she went, she was driving. So,

Speaker 26 no, there was

Speaker 26 all kinds of interaction.

Speaker 26 Oh, and the, but hold on, there's something else, but the P.S. on this letter is: tell Lawler I said hello.

Speaker 26 Yeah,

Speaker 4 see, that's funny. Oh my God.

Speaker 26 Yeah, right, but my new phone number is 816, blah, blah, blah. Your friend Eddie Gilbert, P.S.
Tell Lawler, I said hello.

Speaker 4 The way that was phrased about how the office is.

Speaker 4 How did he say how the office is treated as dad? What was the exact thing he said there?

Speaker 26 If you just knew how they treated my dad all the time he wrestled there and then started on me.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 what do you think that is? I mean, is that basically a kid hearing his dad come home and vent about the office? And then

Speaker 26 I'm wondering, did Tommy have some of the

Speaker 26 paranoia or conspiracy theory or whatever that Eddie was talked about having in Darkseid? Did he pass it on?

Speaker 26 Because

Speaker 26 Tommy was a huge babyface here for years.

Speaker 26 I don't know that there was ever a problem with him and Jarrett because he worked in Jarrett's territory as much

Speaker 26 after the split as he had worked for gulis beforehand eddie marlin and tommy gilbert had been tag team partners they were the top babyface tag team and eddie was in the office by that point in time being jarrett's father-in-law

Speaker 4 of i

Speaker 26 you know i don't

Speaker 26 i wasn't

Speaker 26 involved behind the scenes early enough to see how tommy had been treated quote unquote ever since he'd wrestled there which had been 15 years at that point on and off.

Speaker 4 And then the way Eddie said started in on me, what does he mean? Does he mean like Tony D.

Speaker 4 Yeah?

Speaker 4 I don't know. He got a push right away in 79.
He got a push in 81.

Speaker 4 But they didn't push him past Lawler. I mean, could that be the issue?

Speaker 26 Well, no, no. At this point in time, no, this is January 1980.
Eddie's a month older than I am. So

Speaker 26 he was at this point 20 years old.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 no, that wasn't, but I don't know. But I got another one here.
Hold on here. Listen to the other fucking side of the coin.

Speaker 26 September 7th, 1982.

Speaker 26 Because we talked about the,

Speaker 26 he had a history of being down about stuff, but then being up about stuff, right?

Speaker 26 He said, first, thank you again for getting the photos done for me. I appreciate it, blah, blah, blah.
But now listen to this.

Speaker 26 Now listen to this.

Speaker 26 Two hours, and I'd forgotten I'd got this also.

Speaker 26 Two hours after I got off the phone with you, George Napolitano called me and told me that I was to call Vince McMahon

Speaker 26 at the Holiday Inn,

Speaker 26 the same place Barnett and the Alliance meeting was held.

Speaker 26 So of course I called his room. The first thing he did, and this is senior, by the way.

Speaker 26 because this is September of 82.

Speaker 26 The first thing he told me was he he had an assignment for me to go to Japan to work with Tiger Mask. And remember, that happened,

Speaker 26 did it not? Or did they, they had a match in the garden?

Speaker 4 No, it wasn't the garden. I don't think.
I think it may have been Philadelphia. They wrestled when Tiger Mask came on a tour of the WWF in 1983, wrestled against Eddie.

Speaker 4 I don't remember Eddie. Did he go to Japan, though?

Speaker 26 Did he go to, so it was when Tiger Mask came here, but I thought they did that in the garden.

Speaker 26 Maybe I'm i'm wrong but i don't remember that match in the garden i could be wrong though nevertheless they had the match somewhere but he says then he asked me if i would be interested in coming to work in new york boy was i in shock he said he was impressed with me at the meeting did he go to the nwa meeting Yeah, I had heard that before.

Speaker 4 I don't know if it was that year or the year before. It must have been that year, although it was.

Speaker 26 It was that year.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because George Napolitano said, call him in his room at the Holiday Inn.

Speaker 4 yes well then that's why he says same place barnett an alliance meeting was held and he went to the alliance meeting and that's the year before and that's the year before barnett and vince senior and vince jr resigned because that was september 83 right

Speaker 26 yes

Speaker 26 so

Speaker 26 there you go uh but he told me to call him back this week to set something up

Speaker 26 Now, I've still got to call Barnett back. So apparently he was going to go.
I have probably two of the biggest offers in my life i've still got to call barnett back so i don't know what to do

Speaker 26 and we know what he did do but so apparently barnett wanted him to come to atlanta at the same time what was the date

Speaker 26 september 7 1982 well because on page two at any rate thanks again for sending the photos to atlanta for me

Speaker 4 so that And think about it, three months later, Barnett got pushed out by Ole.

Speaker 4 So if Eddie had gone there,

Speaker 4 who knows if Eddie Gilbert and Ole Anderson at that point would have coexisted well together? Yeah.

Speaker 26 But the other way it was, they ended up together in the end because Barnett went north.

Speaker 4 I thought you meant 1990. They all ended up working together.

Speaker 26 Okay. And also, and here's the last bit, but also

Speaker 26 congratulations on your future manager duties. I just done my first two weeks of TV, right?

Speaker 26 Keep in mind what we were talking about if I get back anytime in the future. I don't remember what we were talking about.

Speaker 4 but again this was 43 years ago would he have ever talked to you about managing him back then

Speaker 26 that may have been a thing

Speaker 26 i don't know anyway take care and tell your mom hello also lawler miss christine and randy hails have you seen

Speaker 26 there you go

Speaker 4 i had not even remembered that these two letters existed that first letter again i hate to go back to it but i'm fascinated by the idea that you know all the paranoia that eddie had, and people attributed it to different things from drug use, and I don't think it was just that, to his height in the business, to his injury.

Speaker 4 But you never really hear a lot about,

Speaker 4 you know, was that just him? You know, was it Tommy? Was it Tommy and the way Tommy talked about the business in the car and talked about?

Speaker 26 Well, remember the

Speaker 26 and again, I didn't know

Speaker 26 in 1979, let's say, that I was going to be needing to be be dissecting people's intentions in this fashion in front of worldwide consumption,

Speaker 26 you know, 50 fucking years later or whatever. But Teeny always said, the Gilberts are moody.

Speaker 26 And that in her

Speaker 26 polite southern way, the Gilberts are moody.

Speaker 26 But Tommy was used very well and was always...

Speaker 26 I mean, at the end,

Speaker 26 I can't remember what year Tommy was born, but in like when I managed him, when he was the massed ace of spades in 1983,

Speaker 26 when he was shortly to go to Louisiana and become a referee, it was the end of his career.

Speaker 26 No, they didn't put him on top then, but he'd been a fucking main event guy on and off for the Gulis, Welch, and Jarrett companies for

Speaker 26 ages and eons.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if he was going to get that kind of push anywhere else, to be honest.

Speaker 26 No,

Speaker 26 he did. He was an excellent worker that in the 70s in some of the territories, he went to West Texas, worked for the Funks.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 I think he had a run in Florida at one point where he could hang in the ring, but

Speaker 26 he didn't have the promo to be a top babyface unless

Speaker 26 the hometown

Speaker 26 native of Lexington, Tennessee, helped him in the Tennessee territory. And then,

Speaker 26 because he was just like one of them, their fucking brother-in-law or whatever the fuck. And what a babyface.
But he could be a heck of a fucking heel.

Speaker 26 And I think in another territory, he probably got a heck of a lot of heat just from the shit that he did in the ring. But that was his primary

Speaker 26 babyface in Tennessee was his primary calling.

Speaker 4 I drove him a couple of times when he worked for Dennis for for those Eddie Gilbert Memorial shows, and we were all staying. What, crazy? No,

Speaker 4 very funny.

Speaker 4 I liked Tommy. He was a very nice guy.
I got to see if it wasn't his last match. It must have been one of them, him against Dory Funk Jr.

Speaker 26 Well, the Gilberts and the Funks, you know, got along and the Gilberts all looked up to and respected the Funk family.

Speaker 26 But it's your show.

Speaker 4 Were those all your Eddie letters? I mean, not to ask you to go through more of them right now, but did he keep sending you letters through the years?

Speaker 26 Well, no, there's a few other things that I glanced at that didn't appear to be too earthshaking either. You know, here's my new address.

Speaker 26 There's my new address in Puerto Rico, but not in 1995 and fucking 1981 or whatever it was, too.

Speaker 26 And thanks for the picture.

Speaker 26 I've got to know when Ricky Morton and Ken Lucas went to,

Speaker 26 goddammit, was it? Alabama or Oklahoma, they kept getting their pictures for me because poor little Al Vavasor had been run out of the business by then.

Speaker 26 And I've I kept notes that, you know, for like Ricky would say, thanks for the pictures, Jimmy. Here's your check.
P.S. stick it in your ear.

Speaker 26 You know, just shit like that.

Speaker 26 I'll assemble in a book one day. Would the people like to see a book of just my ephemera? Just the shit that I have collected over, just reproduced over the course of the 50 years.

Speaker 4 If done well, if done nicely, if presented in the... proper context, yes.

Speaker 26 Well, what about if just shoved into your hand on a street corner in Las Vegas and with the other hand out said, give me a quarter?

Speaker 4 That sounds like a lot of the author is in professional wrestling nowadays.

Speaker 4 No, I don't know. I think people would love to see that kind of stuff.
I think people love, especially correspondence, to just see one-way or, in some cases, two-way back-and-forth communication.

Speaker 4 It's cool. And, you know, here's an example.
It kind of opens a door in terms of how history happened.

Speaker 4 It's not a major part of history, but Eddie Gilbert writing to you to say that George Napolitano put him in touch with Vince McMahon, and that's what led him to going to the WWF. That's news.

Speaker 4 Well, not news, but that's history. So I think it's really cool.

Speaker 26 Well, and also the thing is, I've seen that as generations go by,

Speaker 26 back in the old days, you have more of the shit that people sent to you and not a lot of the shit that you sent to them.

Speaker 26 But recently, it's because you've either

Speaker 26 typed, you made a carbon copier, then faxed it, or then emailed it. You've got the shit you sent to other people, but you might not have the shit they sent to you.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 26 I'm trying to sort this out in the deck. I've only got

Speaker 26 what six decades to work with. So

Speaker 26 I'm trying to kind of narrow it down and get it filed there.

Speaker 4 Jim, why don't we right now pick up from where we left off on the experience? Because when we ended the program, we did not have AEW ratings.

Speaker 4 for a grand slam in Mexico City at Arena, Mexico, and we now have them.

Speaker 26 We We now have that.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 to be honest, you know, by the time that the holiday intermingled itself and everything,

Speaker 26 it's kind of a, we had the total, but we didn't have the breakdown. So it's kind of anticlimactic, but I have to see, and I want your

Speaker 26 suppositions and theories on how the fuck they managed to wangle.

Speaker 26 Was it an extra 100,000 people with more

Speaker 26 wrestlers on the show that have never been heard of before? Unless,

Speaker 26 is this the 100,000 disconnected fans of Lucha that have moved to the United States that haven't been able to follow these guys?

Speaker 26 Or was this 100,000 American citizens tuning in to see what the fuck was with these guys?

Speaker 4 Was this the end of the basketball season? We don't know. And another question is: if this is a successful formula.

Speaker 26 I don't think any of these luchadors play basketball.

Speaker 4 If this is a successful formula, why not just have random wrestlers just run out all night every week? It doesn't even have to be the same people. Let's see if the theory works.

Speaker 4 Jim, AEW Dynamite Wednesday, June 18th, 2025. On average, watched by 736,000 viewers.

Speaker 26 And up, what, 100,000 from last week.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and looking at the trend line, it's well above the 90-day trend. Last week was 597.

Speaker 26 Oh, geez, 140.

Speaker 4 Four-week average, 616. So obviously, this is well above everything they've been doing lately.
Let's go to the quarter-hour breakdowns. These were compiled by WrestleNomics.
Quarter one,

Speaker 4 Hangman Adam Page's promo in Spanish, Stokely Hathaway's ramp promo, and the entrances for the first match.

Speaker 4 777,000 viewers.

Speaker 26 Oh,

Speaker 26 so

Speaker 26 not only is that an intriguing number, 777,000, but they're going to keep a fairly solid number of these people through most of the program because that's almost their average.

Speaker 4 Well, we go to quarter two: 8:15, 8:30 p.m.

Speaker 4 Atlantis, Atlantis Jr., Templario, Bandito, Adam Cole, Brody King, and Daniel Garcia

Speaker 4 versus Volador Jr., Dax Harwood, Hetchichero, and the Don Callis family with picture in picture,

Speaker 26 And there you go, 27,000. They never

Speaker 26 lose the minor amount of 27,000 from quarter one to two.

Speaker 26 This is amazing.

Speaker 4 Well, we go to quarter three, 8:30 to 8:45 p.m.

Speaker 4 The continuation of that gigantic match, a recap, an ad break, and the start of Mark Briscoe versus Kazushka Okada,

Speaker 26 And they go back to

Speaker 26 quarter one for the first time in history.

Speaker 26 Is that the, that's, that's the first time ever?

Speaker 4 Well, we're going at a quarter four, 8:45 to 9 p.m. Continuation of Briscoe versus Okada with picture-in-picture post-match with Don Callis and an ad break,

Speaker 26 Is this one of those deals where the fucking button gets stuck and is just spamming?

Speaker 26 Is that what they call it?

Speaker 26 Go ahead.

Speaker 4 Well, we go now at a quarter five, the big nine o'clock hour, nine to nine.15 p.m.

Speaker 4 Mystico versus MJF with picture and picture,

Speaker 26 You lie.

Speaker 4 And that is the high point of the night.

Speaker 26 That has to be the first time ever that they've done a bigger number on the top of the first hour or top of the second hour than they've done at the beginning of the show.

Speaker 4 Again, I've been on for almost six years. I don't know if it's the only time, but I can't remember another one.

Speaker 26 I buy double fucking, I can't double dog dare yet, don't apply. I bet you something.

Speaker 4 How about your double dog?

Speaker 26 No, you leave my double dog alone. All right, we can.
Mama, don't take my double dog. Mama, don't take my double dog away.
I'll bet you an unspecified sum if anybody proves me right and you wrong.

Speaker 4 We're going at a quarter six, nine, fifteen, and nine.30 p.m.

Speaker 4 The continuation of Mystico versus MJF, the post-match with the Hurt Syndicate, Bandito, Templario, Titan,

Speaker 4 Jet, Speed,

Speaker 4 and then Ad Break.

Speaker 26 Speed meth.

Speaker 26 Crank.

Speaker 4 Followed by entrances for the next match.

Speaker 26 Good lord, they can't run them off with a stick.

Speaker 26 That, wait a minute, hold on here. Let me look at this.
This is,

Speaker 26 they have not varied more than 51,000 from bottom to top on the entire program. Again, this has never happened, but move to Mexico.
Move the whole Wangdoodle to goddamn Mexico.

Speaker 26 You guys will be goddamn kings of the world.

Speaker 26 This is amazing.

Speaker 4 Well, we go now to quarter seven, 9.30 to 9.45 p.m.

Speaker 4 Mascara Dorada versus Leo Rush versus Hologram versus Ricochet.

Speaker 26 Oh, here's a test.

Speaker 4 We're picture-in-picture.

Speaker 26 Ooh, okay, there.

Speaker 4 There it is.

Speaker 26 And when the crash came and the dust fell.

Speaker 4 You know what that is? That's after MJF and Mystico. You know, MJF is MJF and the Hurt Syndicate of the Hurt Syndicate, they've been established on this show.

Speaker 4 If there was anyone in CMLL that you would think possibly could

Speaker 4 lend to the viewership, it would be Mystico, I think.

Speaker 4 So who knows?

Speaker 26 But I mean, still at this late in the show to not be just now hitting 700,000 is amazing for them.

Speaker 4 Well, we go now to quarter, what is this? Quarter eight.

Speaker 4 I remind you, we have one, two three quarters of overrun after this oh boy 945 to 10 p.m

Speaker 4 the continuation of the aforementioned four-man match in the previous segment an ad break and the start of mercedes monet versus zeusis or zeusis however that's pronounced with picture and picture if you knew zeusy like i knew zeusy 733 000 viewers good god they're they gained this late again this is what what type of witchcraft is this

Speaker 4 we go now to the big 10 o'clock hour quarter nine 10 to 10 15 p.m

Speaker 4 the continuation of monet versus zoxis the post-match with tony storm an ad break and the beginning of entrances for the main event 677 000 viewers okay

Speaker 26 everybody's got a price and everybody's got a breaking point. I think we're starting to hit these people's.

Speaker 4 Well, now the big main event, Jim,

Speaker 4 quarter 10, 10.15 to 10:30 p.m. I remind you, we have a seven-minute overrun after this.

Speaker 4 The Death Riders, the Young Bucks, and the Beast Mortos

Speaker 4 versus Will Ospreay, Swerve Strickland, and the Ops with Picture and Picture,

Speaker 4 Seven-minute overrun, including the post-match with Hangman Adam Page,

Speaker 26 Ouch. Well, there you.
I mean, they've got to the ridiculous point at that time, but

Speaker 26 652 in quarter 10 when they started with 777 is amazing.

Speaker 26 And with the Boer Horseman being starred in a role and the Buckaroos.

Speaker 26 Do they need to move to Mexico?

Speaker 26 So, whose curiosity was this? Was this, as I said,

Speaker 26 the expatriates from Mexico that haven't seen

Speaker 26 their favorite luchadors in a while or want to see what the fuss is about? Or was this the Americans that wanted to see what the fuss was about?

Speaker 26 Because it didn't appear to be any one segment or match that was responsible for a great deal of anything.

Speaker 26 So was it just curiosity? And then now that they've seen it, are they confused as to who's who or do they have a new favorite?

Speaker 4 It'll be interesting to see. Once again, the Death Riders and the Young Bucks, people don't stay around or come back for that stuff.
For anyone who wants to say Jon Moxley moves the ratings,

Speaker 4 we cover this every week. He moves the ratings.
Oh, he does.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But MJF and Mystico, there's a clear line to that, and then it drops off. And, you know, the build to it wasn't perfect.

Speaker 4 But at least it was building to like a one-on-one.

Speaker 4 You kind of understood who's on what side. And they had the match.
If you watched it, it had heat,

Speaker 4 some sloppiness from Mystico, but it had heat. But not everything has a clear line of what they're building.
And sometimes you just need to do simple stuff.

Speaker 4 And we'll see what happens this week. Back in America.
But that was AEW Dynamite Ratings. Of course, Jim, Mexico City, City may be a scary place for some.

Speaker 4 There are lots of places in the big world of ours that are scary. You may not want to walk around with a giant wallet.

Speaker 4 It may get taken. But maybe you need something compact, something that you can use, something just for you.
And Jim, we have new friends to tell the listeners about. Our friends with Ridge.

Speaker 26 Ridge Wallet. Yes, we certainly do.
The Ridge wallet, but it sounds uncomfortable, the term Ridge. It's not really.
What it is, is indestructible.

Speaker 26 And like you said, we talked about on the program the other day.

Speaker 26 If you've had one of those big fat wallets, stuff full, probably not with cash, but with receipts and fucking various DREC alongside the stuff you really need, you stuff it in your back pocket.

Speaker 26 You walk around, not only does it throw your hip out of joint. Not only do you look deformed like you've got a growth coming out of your nether regions, but you're a target.

Speaker 26 I mean, somebody can sneak up behind you and knock you on the head and take that thing, and they wouldn't know that it's filled with nothing but receipts from former blockbuster video rentals.

Speaker 26 They'd think something was good in it. But now, with the Ridge,

Speaker 26 not only can you keep your stuff safe, but you can slip it right into anything.

Speaker 26 You could slip this up amongst your balls if you wanted to, if you were in a sketchy neighborhood.

Speaker 4 I don't think that's needed. Of course, you can put it in your wallet.
It won't stand out. And for those.

Speaker 26 Put it in your wallet. It is your wallet.

Speaker 4 It is your wallet. Put it in your pocket.
Pockets are where it goes. Pockets in your pants.
Ridge is there to escort you and your pants with all your stuff.

Speaker 26 Pockets in your pants and Ridge for your stuff because this is it's a unique slim and modern design. It's like the same size as a credit card, but it holds up to 12 credit cards plus cash.

Speaker 26 One of those credit cards could easily be a driver's license as well. You know the drill.
We're talking cards here.

Speaker 26 And they make these things out of aluminum and carbon fiber and titanium 50 colors and styles to choose from they've got a lifetime warranty these things are indestructible and and again you can keep all that you need right and nothing's going to i'll tell you what this is a black box for a human being now let's say you're in a fiery airplane crash They're not going to need the dental records to identify you.

Speaker 26 They're going to be able to pull this thing out of your pocket unharmed. And they're just going to flip through and look at your driver's license, go, well, there's poor fucking Sal.

Speaker 26 He didn't make it. He's burnt to a crispy critter right now.
But goddamn, don't his driver's license is in such good a shape. If we can find somebody that looks like him, they can use it.

Speaker 26 That's if you have a Ridge wallet, ladies and gentlemen, and you're in a fiery plane crash or a bus accident or potentially, you know, a nuclear explosion.

Speaker 26 This is the leave a note in this son of of a bitch and it'll be fine.

Speaker 26 And you're never going to lose it.

Speaker 4 Let's hope none of these situations happen. And of course, let's not make any

Speaker 4 statements about the survivability of a nuclear

Speaker 4 bash

Speaker 4 or a blast of the ridge.

Speaker 26 Well, if you, you know, if you don't believe me, folks, right now, as I'm speaking to you, go to ridge, r-i-d-g-e.com. Ridge.com, that's even a simpleton could remember ridge.just

Speaker 26 And you can use the code JCE if you're just going to order one anyway, but you can see exactly what it looks like and the way that it operates.

Speaker 26 It's got this sturdy strap on it for your cash underneath there.

Speaker 26 And I still say you could also use this as some kind of oriental fighting star, flinging it at somebody like you're trying to skip a rock on a lake if they were to try to.

Speaker 26 take you down in a dark alley. And see, that's the thing.
Ridge also makes the key, the key tag, the key case

Speaker 26 that you can fold your keys up in a nice, neat little bundle instead of your pockets jangling.

Speaker 26 If your pockets are jangling like a rodeo clown, then you won't be able to carefully sneak up behind somebody without them knowing you're there.

Speaker 26 And then, if they've got a bulge in their pocket from the old-fashioned wallet, you'll know whether to hit them on the head or just go about your business.

Speaker 26 But if they hear your keys jangling, there's no way you're going to creep up on them.

Speaker 26 So you need to dress your credit cards and your keys up in fine containers from our friend at ridge and right now you can get 10 off of whichever you want or both or just whatever the fuck you'd like to do if you use the code jce

Speaker 26 at ridge.com 10 off right now on these and again they will survive time they've got a lifetime guarantee none of you son of a bitches out there right now are going to live long enough to see time or gravity or anything

Speaker 26 diffuse this situation.

Speaker 26 And they've got, they've got suitcases. They've got all kinds of stuff over at ridge.com.
Everyday carry essentials.

Speaker 26 If you're looking for something to carry something in, ridge.com, promo code JCE, and tell them that you heard about them from us over here. while you're over there.

Speaker 26 Because then they'll be nicer to us over here, over there they are very nice people we don't have to worry about them being nicer but of course well it never hurts to butter some son of a bitch up

Speaker 26 well you won't have to butter up your credit cards they will fit right into the ridge wallet it's a great boy no lube not a bit of lube needs to be used with this wallet no diddy but this wallet is for you Except if you're planning to sneak it into jail.

Speaker 26 Then

Speaker 4 don't.

Speaker 26 It's unfortunately shaped for that.

Speaker 4 Again, that won't be happening, and let's not focus on that segment of the audience here. But Jim, why don't we let the listeners know once again how they can get this great wallet?

Speaker 26 Ridge.com, R-I-D-G-E. Ridge.com, use the promo code JCE, 10% off the wallet, the key case, the various premium everyday carrying essentials.

Speaker 26 If you have enough of these things all about your body, you'll almost have a bulletproof outfit on. This stuff's indestructible.
And get 10% off and them that we told you to do it. So

Speaker 26 they'll know who's telling you what to do.

Speaker 4 That's right. Ridge.

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 2 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 4 The Harlem Globe Charters 100-year tour.

Speaker 21 Go to HarlemGlobetrouders.com for your tickets to the 100-year tour.

Speaker 25 A sport where every play is a highlight. League One volleyball returns January 7th, 2026 with teams in Atlanta, Austin, Houston, Madison, Nebraska, and Salt Lake.

Speaker 25 To buy tickets, visit lobb.com/slash iHeart.

Speaker 4 All right, Jim, you know what that means, of course. It's time to...

Speaker 26 Does the sponsor have to pay any extra for you to give them these cute little advertising jingles?

Speaker 4 Oh, no, when they don't pay extra, they get the piano.

Speaker 26 You pay extra.

Speaker 4 You get the organ.

Speaker 26 How much do we have to pay to not get either?

Speaker 4 What kind of budget you got?

Speaker 26 Moving on.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, moving on.
And I guess, Jim, we should preview. There's a pay-per-view.
Well, it's not even a pay-per-view. There was an event,

Speaker 4 a premium.

Speaker 26 There hasn't been an event. There's going to be an event.

Speaker 26 Maybe there's going to be an event.

Speaker 4 Maybe there's going to be an event because there's been events.

Speaker 26 There's been some events here.

Speaker 26 Can I jump in? I've been doing it anyway. Fuck.
Sorry about that.

Speaker 4 It's your show.

Speaker 26 But no, it's not, but we'll pretend it is for a minute. Because you've made the point several times.
You know, people send, have you seen this? Have you seen this?

Speaker 26 Well, yes, if you've seen it, we've seen it.

Speaker 26 I was inundated on the Twitter machine here just a day or two ago. But for one of the more innocuous things that I have ever said or published or tweeted out,

Speaker 26 I I tripped some kind of bot thing, I believe. Allow me to explain.

Speaker 26 Somebody tweeted out a map of the

Speaker 26 part of the world that contains Saudi Arabia, that also contains Israel, that also contains Iran and their

Speaker 26 proximity and location to each other in the world,

Speaker 26 and had the places circled. Then the WWE

Speaker 26 premium blood money event

Speaker 26 is circled. It's in the middle and down south in between Israel and Iran, who last as we are recording this

Speaker 26 were shooting bombs at each other, right? Have we got an update on that, Brian? Have they quit in the last couple of hours?

Speaker 4 I don't know if you say shooting bombs, shooting missiles, dropping bombs, but not shooting bombs.

Speaker 26 Well, missiles, bombs. There's some shit getting blown up, right?

Speaker 26 And so I retweeted that with the tagline, Stanford, we have a problem.

Speaker 26 Because I would think that it would be self-evident that there would be some discussion about this in the WWE offices.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 suddenly I'm hearing from,

Speaker 26 because they got, what are the 10,000 of the little hearts? Does that mean people like it?

Speaker 26 And.

Speaker 26 2 million of the view things or whatever.

Speaker 26 But usually, when I tweet something about Schitler and his band of criminal henchmen, that will trigger

Speaker 26 whatever the bots are that they program to defend

Speaker 26 the indefensible and the maggots come out. I don't know all the patriots and whatever.

Speaker 26 But in this case,

Speaker 26 I don't really know whose side these people are on, otherwise, than is it a

Speaker 26 Republican thing to act like there's nothing to see here, there's nothing wrong, everything's fine, everything's under control.

Speaker 26 Because people started that I don't follow me, that I've never heard of before,

Speaker 26 and saying basically the same things like the bots do with the Republican talking points.

Speaker 26 You just don't know geography. Why, it's a thousand miles to here to there.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I don't give a fuck if goddamn South Carolina gets to goddamn war with Wisconsin. If they're shooting bombs over Kentucky, I'm not going to be goddamn happy about it, right?

Speaker 4 What do I'm taking to the skies?

Speaker 26 Well, execute and flying around, but more on this in a minute.

Speaker 26 That's one of the, they're a thousand miles apart. Or you don't think that Iran would be stupid enough to fuck with Saudi Arabia, do you?

Speaker 26 Like these people are fucking textbook examples of level-headedness themselves.

Speaker 26 You don't think that, goddamn, as much money as the Saudis are paying for the show, that they're not going to have all kinds of money for security for the wrestlers.

Speaker 26 Well, goddamn, they've assassinated presidents in the fucking motherfucker. Shit can happen.

Speaker 26 If you could keep anybody absolutely 100% safe all the fucking time,

Speaker 26 well, it would throw the world into chaos because everybody'd be trying to be that person. But nevertheless, I digress.
It's too far apart.

Speaker 26 They don't have the balls to fuck with Saudi Arabia. You're just trying to make a big deal out of it.
Well, they're going to keep them safe.

Speaker 26 I would think it would be self-evident.

Speaker 4 What side are they on? I don't understand what the.

Speaker 26 I don't know. They're just arguing.

Speaker 4 Like pro-Saudi Arabia? Is that what it is? Like pro-traveling Saudi Arabia?

Speaker 26 And by the, and there's State department advisories on various countries over there right now they're just at a level two in saudi arabia except level four is do not travel and kiss your ass goodbye for like 20 or 30 miles of saudi arabia next to the border of something something

Speaker 26 but again the point is that they just are they're arguing like this is going to be a caribbean vacation

Speaker 26 I've never said that the goddamn head, the president of Iran was going to say, we got to to bomb those American wrestlers. That'll show them.

Speaker 26 But it's the same point, Brian, as you raised a good point. You got to get in and out of there.

Speaker 26 Even

Speaker 26 accidents happen

Speaker 26 in crowded, and they're restricting airspace. They're redirecting people around certain things.

Speaker 26 Or.

Speaker 26 You mean to tell me that just because the Saudi Arabian prince spends a bunch of money to bring the Americans over, every Saudi Arabian loves the Americans.

Speaker 26 Or there's no Iranians living in Saudi Arabia that don't like anybody.

Speaker 26 Who the fuck is on whose side over there? Do they have their own homegrown unabomber?

Speaker 26 Certainly, in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran and points of that direction, they wouldn't have any

Speaker 26 nut cases living in those countries that might just want to blow some shit up on their own.

Speaker 26 What the fuck? Do you want

Speaker 26 somebody actually said,

Speaker 26 if do you cancel a show in South Carolina if there's a forest fire in North Carolina?

Speaker 26 Only if it's caused by fucking nuclear fallout,

Speaker 26 you dumb shits.

Speaker 26 And again,

Speaker 26 the point that I was trying to make is regardless of whose side you're on or what you think,

Speaker 26 and another point they were making was, well, you know, they don't care at the WWE. They're going to go through with it no matter what.

Speaker 26 Fine.

Speaker 26 Does that mean to goddamn it all the fucking minions have to go through with it too?

Speaker 26 Because again, they're issuing

Speaker 26 reports on Americans in that entire region of the world who travel with caution. People don't like you over there.

Speaker 26 So now here comes

Speaker 26 a giant group of some of the most visible American celebrities on television around the world

Speaker 26 to have this big wing ding.

Speaker 26 And they got to get there and they got to get back and they got to go to the hotel.

Speaker 26 And they apparently have to eat food of some description. They've got to be somewhere in the public eye.

Speaker 26 Jesus, we got people in this country running people over in the streets with goddamn minivans.

Speaker 4 You know, it's a good week to hold up the office.

Speaker 26 Boy, howdy,

Speaker 26 a good week to hold up the office. It's a good week to say fuck you to the office.

Speaker 26 But in any, in any capacity, do you want to go there and be, much less be on the crew? Do you want to be part of the fucking show?

Speaker 26 Like, I was nervous enough when I was in the cage hung in Barton Coliseum in Little Rock with a potential guy who wanted to shoot DB Assi out there with a gun.

Speaker 26 Much less, they might want to fucking blow up the whole goddamn city I'm in.

Speaker 4 And again, what's it really all about? It's really all about tourism. It's about boosting tourism, the Saudi Arabia, and getting Saudi Arabia more recognized on the global stage.

Speaker 26 Well, they are. They're recognized on the global stage right now.
They're right in the middle of a fucking shit sandwich.

Speaker 4 I keep seeing commercials, Saudi Arabia for Dubai, for Qatar. Like anyone, why would anyone travel there now? What the fuck?

Speaker 4 But yeah, if I was a wrestler, I'd hold up the office this week. Listen, because it's reasonable.
There's no way I'm fucking flying over there.

Speaker 4 Unless you give me a bunch of money.

Speaker 26 I lost my mind. That's again, that's a thing.
Accidents happen and shit takes place and the skies are crowded and oops.

Speaker 26 And then again, on the ground with whatever domestic issues they have over there.

Speaker 4 I think we've seen that actually

Speaker 4 over the last decade a few times. I want to say it was Russia where Russia shot down planes like in the middle of nowhere because their systems thought it was something else or from another country.

Speaker 4 They fucked up, shot down a plane full of civilians because they thought it was, you know, something from Ukraine. It wasn't even Ukraine.
I think it was another country.

Speaker 4 Accidents happen.

Speaker 26 You know, and regardless, again, of whose side you're on or what you think, I thought it was ridiculous for people to say, oh,

Speaker 26 calm down. It'll be fine.
You know, that's so, it's a thousand miles away. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, from what I understand, it made people in Missouri nervous too.

Speaker 26 And, you know, again, you got to get there and you got to do this show and you got to get out.

Speaker 26 We're going to SA via Omaha.

Speaker 26 What?

Speaker 26 I don't want to be anywhere in that part of the fucking world.

Speaker 26 Remember, that was one of the two things that made me and the Midnight Express give our notice in Dallas, our Texas stadium payoff, and they were talking about, let's go to Israel.

Speaker 26 Let's go to fucking North Carolina. I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 4 Well, perhaps all these things happening could be fixed if Kevin von Erich would make a trip over there right now.

Speaker 4 Jim, speaking of Saudi Arabia, an event still scheduled to transpire as we are recording. Night of Champions.
I have the card here.

Speaker 26 Hopefully, it will, instead of expire,

Speaker 26 it will transpire.

Speaker 4 WWE Night of Champions.

Speaker 4 Saturday, June 28th, 1 p.m. Eastern Time.

Speaker 4 Great way to ruin your afternoon, but let's go to this card here, Jim.

Speaker 4 Sammy Zane,

Speaker 4 who will be like a pig in shit

Speaker 4 versus Carrion Cross.

Speaker 26 Who will just be will provide the shit?

Speaker 4 Who, I guess the big story here is the fact this match is happening.

Speaker 4 It came off something that just happened on Raw where Sammy hit Karrion Cross, but I think it's really about the groundswell behind Karrion Cross from the fans. They are starting to use him better.

Speaker 4 And when he appeared on the screen last night, the fans popped. So something's starting to work.

Speaker 26 I don't know. I might have to pay a little more attention because I haven't actually had as much of a groundswell as just a swelling in general over him.
But

Speaker 26 I will say that I have liked the interaction that they've led up to with Sami Zayn and Punk and Cody and

Speaker 26 I'm sorry, not punk, but Zane and Orton

Speaker 26 and Cody and Uso

Speaker 26 sounds like a goddamn 60s romantic fucking comedy.

Speaker 26 Because even though they're babyfaces, they've been true to their individual selves. They've all talked about finishing their story.
They've all got a point. Nobody yet has.

Speaker 26 gone off the beam. They did a wonderful promo the other night.

Speaker 26 I like what they've done there.

Speaker 26 I think it's a step back for Sami Zayn

Speaker 26 with Carrie and Cross. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 26 Again, I just, I haven't seen

Speaker 26 what the fuck the deal was with Cross here lately, but maybe I've just tuned him out because he was so bad for so long.

Speaker 4 Like I said, the fans are reacting, so that's usually a good sign.

Speaker 26 Well, sometimes they begin by setting things on fire, but you know.

Speaker 4 In a street fight,

Speaker 4 Rhea Ripley versus Raquel Rodriguez.

Speaker 26 I'm interested in this.

Speaker 26 Our girl, Rochelle Rochelle, they've changed her gimmick and her look a number of times over the years. She's battled illness and injury, but

Speaker 26 Rhea is a tremendous worker. We've said that enough times that I'm sure it's registered on everybody.
I think Rhea's great.

Speaker 26 She, this will be an equivalent in size.

Speaker 26 I don't think that Raquel's work is on the level of Rhea's, but I think Rhea, if they concentrate on things that Raquel is strong at,

Speaker 26 it can get a wonderful match out of this and hopefully elevate Raquel if she's,

Speaker 26 you know, if they're trying to give her a renewed

Speaker 26 oomph behind her somehow as a single. She's been in groups and stooges, both as a babyface and a heel.

Speaker 4 Well, I think Rhea doesn't need to lose anymore, but also, like you said, they are trying to reestablish Raquel. They had did a thing on Raw where,

Speaker 4 you know, Liv Morgan out of action. Now, Raquel and Roxanne Perez are kind of starting to get along.
So there's something.

Speaker 26 Well, yeah, and you know, I don't know that. And again, I didn't even address the finish.

Speaker 26 Under normal circumstances, I would not want Rhea to lose to Raquel. But if they're going to give Raquel a push and this is a start of

Speaker 26 something that will continue with Rhea, then I think, you know,

Speaker 26 she might have to win one to get some credibility. But let's see where they're going.

Speaker 4 For the United States Championship, the champion Jacob Fatu

Speaker 4 versus Solo Sokoa.

Speaker 26 You know,

Speaker 26 again, this came out of nowhere, didn't it? Where he just jerked him down off the ladder and said, fuck it, boom. I didn't, I don't mean came out of nowhere.
They've obviously teased it, but

Speaker 26 it seems like we missed a step or two between angry words exchanged and I'm just beating the fuck out of you and I hate you solo.

Speaker 26 This has to be Jacob winning.

Speaker 26 I'm just trying to

Speaker 26 figure out any other way they might, and with JC Mateo around, he might interfere. But I don't think Hicculeo, Jacob needs to say again, Hicculeo.

Speaker 4 They just trademarked, what is it? Talatonga. Oh,

Speaker 26 that's, I forgot. I thought that was a 60s Hawaiian beach party comedy.
Hicculeo.

Speaker 26 I think Jacob needs to get a win, then they get some heat afterwards

Speaker 26 if they're going to continue the thing. But

Speaker 26 then again,

Speaker 26 you know, it just Jacob seems like on a different level than the other guys.

Speaker 4 Jim, in the final of the Queen of the Ring tournament,

Speaker 4 Asuka versus Jade Cargill.

Speaker 26 Okay, I wonder who we should bet on there, Brian.

Speaker 26 Is there any way to call this one? Should we just flip a coin?

Speaker 4 Good lord.

Speaker 4 Who will be wearing the most clothes on the card? Asuka versus Jade Cargill.

Speaker 26 They'll probably just put both of them in hazmat outfits um

Speaker 26 i think jade has to win this does she not asuka just returned

Speaker 26 well but god damn are they going to beat jade cargill in a single match uh on a big high profile event with somebody who she hasn't even been programmed with with all this these other things that have gone on it's the finals of the tournament

Speaker 4 I don't know. What happens in Saudi Arabia kind of stays there for the most.
I mean, Gunther lost the Cody there and everyone forgot about it the next day.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 some things are happening over there in Saudi Arabia that are leaving Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 26 I think they ain't going to beat.

Speaker 26 I think also because I don't know if Jade is a good enough worker yet to get beat in a high-profile single match like that.

Speaker 4 All right, Jim. Well, speaking of tournament finals, the king of the ring final, Cody Rhodes versus Randy Orton.

Speaker 26 Cody Rhodes, Cody Rhodes.

Speaker 26 You know, the way that, again, that I said before, the way that they have done this with top baby faces, and

Speaker 26 maybe was it to show them in AEW how to do it, where instead of each guy comes up with his own dramatic reading that has nothing to do with anything else, they've all kind of stuck to themselves on this, that they've been true to who they would be.

Speaker 26 And nobody has been a backstabber,

Speaker 26 but everybody's made their opinions known.

Speaker 26 But at some point, I'm wondering,

Speaker 26 we don't know what's going on with Cena, because now we'll get to it in a minute with his pipe bomb business.

Speaker 26 More people are cheering him now that he's a heel than were cheering him when he used to be a babyface. This goddamn

Speaker 26 psychology that goes on these days with these people.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 I think at some point, unless Cody is going to come back fairly

Speaker 26 quickly and

Speaker 26 conquer Cena, and then Cena switches baby face before the end of the year.

Speaker 26 If that's the case, and Cody needs to get after Cena sooner than later at this point, but is Orton finally going to snap and stab Cody in the back and deprive him of that opportunity

Speaker 26 so that Cody wins it back from Cena later,

Speaker 26 but Orton is ready standing by to be the

Speaker 26 fucking money match. What's happening here?

Speaker 4 Does Cody have to win it back from Cena in your eyes?

Speaker 26 Boy, it would help. I mean, I don't.

Speaker 26 How does he

Speaker 26 I mean, how does he ever get even it? Even if something was to happen where somebody came and kidnapped Cena's family and he switched babyface in the hunt to get him back,

Speaker 26 does he just go up to Cody and say, I apologize, now let's go find my kids?

Speaker 4 Or I mean, yeah, we're running out of time for the babyface turn you expect.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 I think it's already happening.

Speaker 26 And it just ain't going to really be official. And he's just going to ride off in the sunset as whatever the fuck it is he's been doing all year.

Speaker 26 So I think that then they might need to stretch it out till the end of the year. But

Speaker 26 at some point, I think Cody needs to get the belt back from Cena

Speaker 26 or elsewhere it damages Cody.

Speaker 26 But if Orton

Speaker 26 beats Cody before Cody beats Cena, then Orton would be ready for Cody right afterwards, along with

Speaker 26 a bunch of these other, you know, baby faces that are in

Speaker 26 various stages of flux and or the heels they got.

Speaker 26 Because Punk wouldn't have a problem turning around and wrestling Cody again.

Speaker 26 I'm not talking about the person, the person I'm talking about in gimmick. They could easily manufacture something of that nature.
So

Speaker 26 but anyway, the point being for this match,

Speaker 26 I think Orton might fucking fuck with him some kind of way if they're going to do that.

Speaker 26 And if not, then Cody needs to win.

Speaker 4 And finally, Jim, the main event for the undisputed WWE Championship, John Cena versus CM Punk.

Speaker 26 This match, let's predict this match, and then we'll back up and talk about the promo.

Speaker 26 Boy, howdy, it's going to be,

Speaker 26 it's going to be a test because Punk is a professional and he can make some devastating shit look

Speaker 26 devastating, but it actually doesn't hurt you or physically incapacitate you or whatever.

Speaker 26 But the way that people have been handling Cena, like he's goddamn, on the verge of being one of those fucking cheap toys of plastic that just breaks apart,

Speaker 26 they're barely touching him.

Speaker 26 And he's not

Speaker 26 on offense. John is not setting the world on fire.
He's psychologically in the match to build it, to make it make sense,

Speaker 26 to, you know, register things, get the most out of things.

Speaker 26 It's refreshing to see, but

Speaker 26 I guess what I'm trying to say is, you know, can Punk have a goddamn match of his standards with John's matches of his standards these days? What do you think?

Speaker 4 Again, Saudi Arabia, we'll see what kind of energy the crowd has. It's not the same as working in Chicago, as I brought up in the past, or really any major show here.

Speaker 4 I've not liked seeing his work in the ring, so I don't have any high expectations for this. I think Punk needs the right opponent.

Speaker 4 I don't expect much from this match, and hopefully that means I'll really like it because

Speaker 4 it won't meet my low expectations.

Speaker 26 But I mean, the end of the night, even with it, put it in John's matches.

Speaker 26 It's just,

Speaker 26 there's no contact there. People are, and I'm not talking about being dangerous or reckless or putting people through multiple furniture.

Speaker 26 I'm talking about the old Mid-South wrestling smack of the meat in the flesh when you kind of get into the thing, a fight. You know,

Speaker 26 I don't think we're going to see Punk and Drew McIntyre here.

Speaker 26 Obviously, if Punk wins the

Speaker 26 belt, that would screw up a lot of shit. So I don't think that's going to happen.

Speaker 26 And,

Speaker 26 you know, like you said, depending on,

Speaker 26 well, the atmosphere in Saudi Arabia, because Cena is a huge star and has been for so long, maybe they're going to be pro him and Punk can heal and have some fun.

Speaker 26 Or

Speaker 26 maybe they're just going to kind of be blase because it ain't Chicago and the matches, yeah, and then it's going to be a struggle.

Speaker 26 We don't know how they're going to react or what that equation is going to be like, but

Speaker 26 I'm thinking it's going to be

Speaker 26 an okay match at best. And Cena's, you know, is going to win.
And I just hope that it doesn't damage punk any more than that fucking promo the other night on television did already.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 I don't see any shocking.

Speaker 26 I mean, I don't see any shocking happening here as far as the result. Somebody could run out or somebody could attack somebody.
That could be a shock, but we're not going to see it upset.

Speaker 4 Well, we will find out, night of champions, coming up this weekend in the afternoon.

Speaker 26 Coming up this weekend in the afternoon.

Speaker 26 But do you want to talk for a second about the pipe bomb that everybody was in love with?

Speaker 4 From WWE SmackDown, the end of the show was the segment that everyone was talking about.

Speaker 26 And when I first got on Twitter the next morning or whatever, and I,

Speaker 26 oh, wait till Cornet hears this, sees this, talks about this, or just everybody was the pipe bomb. He did a pipe bomb.

Speaker 26 And I thought, okay, I've got something to be, you know,

Speaker 26 halfway look forward to about this show. And now that,

Speaker 26 you know, that gives me a feeling of hope for the weekend, which were dashed on the rocks, all those hopes when I saw the thing. And

Speaker 26 I couldn't,

Speaker 26 it was like watching a world-renowned opera singer singing the best aria of their life, standing in the middle of a fucking field of shit.

Speaker 26 And all I could think of, instead of listening to the music, was why are they standing there in that field full of shit?

Speaker 26 Cena's promo was incredible.

Speaker 26 And again, he had more life as a heel.

Speaker 26 And that's why I turned him him babyface. He was more enjoyable.
He didn't drone on too much, but he had great material. He did stuff for the inside fans.
He had a great delivery.

Speaker 26 And after he'd had a match,

Speaker 26 even though he was sitting on the turnbuckles,

Speaker 26 the promo itself was incredible.

Speaker 26 But Brian, do you know why I hated it? How that was laid out? The visual. What the fuck were they thinking?

Speaker 4 CM Punk Layer.

Speaker 4 It was ridiculous.

Speaker 26 The way that it was set up was that Punk ran out, boom, boom, boom. They have a fight.
Cena ends up putting him through a table.

Speaker 26 And then he lays there while Cena gets the microphone, sits on the turnbuckles,

Speaker 26 and does that promo for 10 minutes. And the camera shot is Punk laying there,

Speaker 26 alternately grimacing to the left, then grimacing to the right

Speaker 26 immobile

Speaker 26 in the in the table for 10

Speaker 26 minutes

Speaker 26 and

Speaker 26 again that you not only could you not unsee it you couldn't stop thinking about it but they wouldn't stop showing it to you

Speaker 26 and the thought that anybody would have is my god either

Speaker 26 If he can't get up, then somebody needs to call a goddamn ambulance. Don't they? One way or another,

Speaker 26 if a guy's been thrown through a piece of furniture

Speaker 26 and he's laying there and he's not moving, somebody's got to check on him. You can't just talk for 10 minutes.

Speaker 26 And if he ain't up by then, here's another problem, the sins that have been committed against the business.

Speaker 26 People see children,

Speaker 26 child-sized adults.

Speaker 26 thrown through tables every week on every show and get up to win the fucking match. Here is one of of the five biggest stars in the biggest wrestling promotion in the world.

Speaker 26 He goes through a table and he lays there for 10 minutes.

Speaker 26 And this is the guy that's challenging for the fucking title at the big show.

Speaker 26 I don't know whose stupid idea that was

Speaker 26 or how they talked punk into it.

Speaker 26 Could they have put some propofol in his fucking water tank?

Speaker 4 You don't think it was his idea?

Speaker 26 I don't think so. What?

Speaker 26 I don't think so.

Speaker 26 I don't know what, but I don't know how that got past more than one person.

Speaker 26 Because all they had to do, he puts him through the table, boom.

Speaker 26 He's not getting up. Everybody runs to check on him.
They carry him out. Cena gets the microphone.
I've got something to say to him. Well,

Speaker 26 if I can't say it to him, I'll say it to him on tape. And he can watch it when he wakes up and do the same goddamn promo.

Speaker 4 It created an interesting dynamic, almost like the person in a coma, like in the hospital room while people are having a conversation about them and they can't move.

Speaker 4 Punk's laying there and it was so long that even if you thought like he may have been hurt, after a while, you're like, he's just laying there. That's the only thought you can have.

Speaker 4 And Cita's doing the all-time promo against him.

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 4 And he can't sell it. He can't move.
He just has to speak. He just can't speak.

Speaker 26 He can't even shake his head like, oh, no, that's not true.

Speaker 4 He just has to take it.

Speaker 26 He just lay there. That's what it devalued their main event.
It devalued one of their talents.

Speaker 26 It was a preposterous visual and disappointing for, you know, the fucking cataclysmic confrontation of Titans and the main event that it's supposed to be.

Speaker 26 And I don't know what ignorant, head-up is ass son of a bitch. could have approved it unless was

Speaker 26 was Cena supposed to talk for 45 seconds instead of 10 minutes?

Speaker 4 And maybe we could have another conversation. It was the pipe bomb.

Speaker 4 The fact that he would think. The fact that it was what it was, there's no way you do that and it doesn't go a little while.

Speaker 26 So maybe that was the pipe bomb part. He was always supposed to say, hey, kiss my ass, see you Saturday, and boom, and gone, but he did 10 minutes and he had to lay there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it'd be funny if Punk didn't know he was going to do that. And Punk's laying there and he just started doing the pipe bomb promo.

Speaker 26 And then

Speaker 26 six minutes later, Punk's thinking, my God, how do I get out of here? Guys, in the old days, I mean,

Speaker 26 there are contracts and attorneys and reasons now why one might think twice, there's not a motherfucker in the wrestling business before 1985 that wouldn't have stood up about two minutes in and started trying to make a comeback.

Speaker 26 I'm just telling you.

Speaker 4 So like I said,

Speaker 4 it was, again, it's the pipe bomb. It's a playoff the famous promo Punk did, you know, 10 plus years ago.
But the fact that it happened the fact that the fans turned with cena

Speaker 4 and the fact that he pointed out every single thing you could about punk being an asshole whatever you want to say yeah

Speaker 4 i mean it was effective maybe in all the wrong ways i don't know what do you think

Speaker 26 well i mean again it was it was a choice of things to say

Speaker 26 uh it was again very heavily inside but those are the people that we that them's the ones that remain now

Speaker 26 But at the same time, he didn't, he said it in an obnoxious and heelish manner, but he

Speaker 26 there was an element of credibility to the things he was saying, and the people started getting more with it.

Speaker 26 And by the time that it was over with, he even acknowledged it. He said, as you see, some of these attitudes are beginning to change.

Speaker 26 It was, it was almost like that was, I'm going to,

Speaker 26 I'm going to be a babyface again. I'll just trash this fucking beloved guy that you like.

Speaker 26 So it was just, it was odd that,

Speaker 26 you know, again, that anybody would have approved of that all the way through without raising the flag. Well, number one, even if we,

Speaker 26 if we don't care, they're going to cheer John or boo John or whatever they want to do. They're all paying.
The element of just having the challenger.

Speaker 26 lay there and have to be brow beaten like that while allegedly unconscious when there's literally people hit by cars and on

Speaker 26 fucking video on ring and gotten up and scurried away in quicker time than this happened. It just, it was very odd.

Speaker 4 And then Punk's not going to win at the pay-per-view or at the night of champions?

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 no, not unless he's the one that doesn't show up, then he'll be the winner.

Speaker 26 But if he goes, he ain't winning.

Speaker 26 That would just throw a wrench into everything that would logically proceed from there.

Speaker 4 So you didn't like it, but it wasn't because, or it was only partly because of what Cena was saying. It was more because of the presentation and the way.

Speaker 26 Yeah, it wasn't even.

Speaker 26 Again, I thought it was a brilliant piece of cunning linguistism, very of the verbal masterpiece. Even if it did get people to cheer him, he's a fucking superstar, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 26 And Punk can handle himself verbally. So I wasn't upset about that.

Speaker 26 The promo was fantastic. And he had more oomph than he has since he's become a heel.

Speaker 26 It was just the ridiculous visual of Punk. It made Punk look bad.
It made the angle look bad.

Speaker 26 It distracted from Cena's promo because the more you're thinking he's got to get up sooner or later because it was so preposterously long.

Speaker 26 So I thought it devalued one of the guys in the match. It devalued the match and it just, it was, it looked stupid on television.

Speaker 26 If they'd had Punk out of there,

Speaker 26 go to it, eat him up.

Speaker 4 But they're probably really happy with the reaction off television. Everyone on social media, the clip going around, how many people viewed it.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's really what you want if you're WWE right now.

Speaker 4 But there it is.

Speaker 26 I wonder how happy Punk was

Speaker 26 when he watched it back.

Speaker 26 He's like, oh, there, I twitched my left eye.

Speaker 4 When I brought up that someone should hold up the office this week, I meant him.

Speaker 4 I meant him.

Speaker 26 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 But that was SmackDown. And Jim, any, did you watch any Raw? Did you see any Raw? I know I referenced it a few times.

Speaker 26 You know what? It's Stacey's mother's birthday today, and we've had a few plans to make. So I have not, if there's, if anybody

Speaker 26 was incapacitated somehow, I'll report it on the next program.

Speaker 4 Well, the one thing I want you to check out, because it goes along along with this whole idea of the heels all of a sudden getting baby face reactions, Gunther's promo by Goldberg.

Speaker 26 That may be something you mentioned that to me, and that's the last time that I've thought about it. It's when you mentioned it to me first, but I'll check that out.

Speaker 4 Jim, let's move on here with the show. We have a lot of show to get to as we move on here.

Speaker 4 Let's go to the real world news before we get back to wrestling. Jim, did you see that Diddy is not going to testify at his own trial?

Speaker 26 Wait a minute. Now, wait a minute.

Speaker 26 First of all, we got to go back to Diddy. And secondly, you mean to tell me

Speaker 26 that a daddy as outspoken as Diddy,

Speaker 26 who has been accused of diddying and dallying, is not going to now do his duty to come out and testify. in his own defense.

Speaker 26 Diddy won't defend his own diddling.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 26 I think he's getting bad advice. I think him on the stand would clear up this whole mess pretty quickly.
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 The only thing that would make a victim faster is if he plays music to the jury. But we'll stay on top of the Diddy trial.
I know people have been following along with us here on the show.

Speaker 26 Yeah,

Speaker 26 you've been following it a lot more than everybody else has.

Speaker 4 It is fascinating.

Speaker 26 You just want that fucking lube and astroglide at half price in the bankruptcy auction.

Speaker 4 I believe Astro Glide would be lube.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 there's also generic lube. It just says lube.
Oh, I don't know. See, but the Astroglide, that was reserved for

Speaker 4 the good stuff. Well, Jim, while we're talking about things in the news, I have something here related to you.
One of your friends is in the news.

Speaker 26 Oh, boy.

Speaker 4 This is from the New York Post.

Speaker 4 Although apparently it's going viral now. Cobra Kai star Alicia Hannah Kim accuses Martin Cove of assaulting and biting her

Speaker 4 at fan convention.

Speaker 4 Now, of course, Martin Kove, better known as Al Haft to wrestling fans, I guess you can say.

Speaker 26 Yes, yes. The Queen of the Ring movie here this year that was that escaped all over the land.
And he played quite an integral part, as did I. And we sat next to each other for a lot of filming.

Speaker 26 Very, very nice, friendly old gentleman.

Speaker 4 Famously played sensei John Creese in the Karate Kid films and Cobra Kai.

Speaker 4 Looks like Martin Cove may have taken his character John Creese's motto a little too far.

Speaker 4 The Cobra Kai actor, 78.

Speaker 26 What? Wow.

Speaker 4 Was reportedly kicked out of the Washington State fan convention after being accused of assaulting his co-star, Alicia Hannah Kim, over the weekend.

Speaker 26 Well, now, first of all, if he's 78 years old and he was getting around in a fine fashion and he's got 15 years on me. That surprises me right there.

Speaker 26 At least I've got hope to be able to be ambulatory at that point. But how would he assault this poor young lady? He's a fine gentleman that wears an ascot.

Speaker 4 Hannah Kim told an officer working in the fan event that Cove allegedly bit her arm. And when she yelled out in pain, he began kissing the area.

Speaker 4 According to an informational police report obtained by people,

Speaker 4 Hannah Kim claimed the alleged attack happened when she tapped Cove on the shoulder to greet him at their cast booth.

Speaker 26 Oh, well, she must have snuck up behind him with one of these ridge key things where he couldn't hear her jingle. And when he was startled, he thought he was being attacked.

Speaker 26 And he went into his Cobra Kai fucking self-defense techniques. Ah!

Speaker 26 And he bit the fucking offender and the attacker on the arm.

Speaker 4 I don't know about that. Here's a quote.
Martin Cove suddenly grabbed her arm and bit her upper arm so hard it nearly drew blood. And she yelled at him in pain.

Speaker 4 Once Martin Cove finished biting her arm, he grabbed her arm again and began kissing it where he had bit her.

Speaker 4 It says here she was,

Speaker 26 he was trying to make up for it.

Speaker 4 She was in season five and six of the Netflix series Cobra Kai. She claimed her husband, Sebastian Rocher,

Speaker 4 if that's how you pronounce that, was there and witnessed the alleged attack. When the pair confronted the actor, he reportedly exploded on them.

Speaker 4 That's a quote. That's a quote.
That's a quote.

Speaker 4 Did you bite me?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 He came on them with God's wrath.

Speaker 4 Well, again, let me go back to the sentence. When the pair confronted the actor, he reportedly, and there's a quote, exploded on them while insisting he did not do anything wrong.

Speaker 4 She found an on-site officer who noted that she had very noticeable bite marks on her arm that were already turning blue and bruising.

Speaker 4 The law enforcement officer also stated that when he questioned the actor about the incident, Cove admitted to biting her, but claimed, here's a quote, he did it out of jest.

Speaker 4 He thought he was being funny.

Speaker 4 The report stated. And they play fight all the time on the set of Cobra Kai, and he did not think it was a big deal.

Speaker 4 When the officer informed Cove that his alleged assault was illegal and would not be tolerated in the future, the actor responded that he was just messing around and did not mean for it to be perceived as illegal.

Speaker 4 Despite the ordeal, she decided not to.

Speaker 26 He just doesn't know the strength of his own jaws.

Speaker 4 She declined to press charges, but she requested the report be taken in case this continues.

Speaker 4 Martin Cove was then escorted out of SummerCon.

Speaker 4 The post has reached out to his reps for comment.

Speaker 26 Is that the first time that any guest has ever been taken out for biting?

Speaker 4 No one expects that. Like when you tap someone on the shoulder, hey, it's me.

Speaker 4 Oh, it says here, he's been training with Ace Steele.

Speaker 4 Now, hey.

Speaker 26 But no, he seemed like such a nice, kindly gentleman. I, there was no

Speaker 26 set of Queen of the Ring.

Speaker 4 He didn't want to eat you.

Speaker 26 Well, he didn't say he didn't say he was chewing and swallowing, just biting. So he wasn't eating.
It's not a high-calorie fucking offense, but she's with her husband.

Speaker 4 That's hey, look, there's Marty. Let's go say hello.

Speaker 26 Did you bite my wife?

Speaker 4 I was just, I was doing it out of jest.

Speaker 4 That's not how jest works.

Speaker 26 The jesting of it. I was, he was in jesting.

Speaker 26 He was

Speaker 26 doing like a ingest.

Speaker 26 I was trying to ingest her.

Speaker 4 Well, we'll see what happens. This may affect, obviously, casting of Queen of the Ring, too, but we'll stay on top of this story.

Speaker 26 Coming to a fucking slideshow at an elementary school near you.

Speaker 4 Usually it's like a fan incident. It's like a fan was pushing the boundaries and the star had enough and just punched him or pushed him or threw their camera.
It's never like your co-star says hello.

Speaker 4 So you bite them.

Speaker 26 And again, I've been to a lot of comic cons and various things. I've never seen any hustle and bustle.
Oh, they're taking him out for biting.

Speaker 4 He's 78. Did he like lean in? I mean, he said upper arm.
So, I mean, did he like bow a little bit and like, like, did she have time to like, what is he doing?

Speaker 26 Well, no, no, but I, I, now, if he's at a convention, he's 78 also. He's probably seated.
She came up from behind him like a thief in a night. She bent down and tapped him on the shoulder.

Speaker 26 He turned around and there's an arm right next to him and he just goes to town. I just a chomping and a chewing, a chewing and a chomping.

Speaker 26 I'd do the same thing. If somebody tried to attack me from behind, put me in a rear naked.

Speaker 4 They didn't say she tried to attack him. They said that they were co-stars that she went over to say hello.
So he bit her.

Speaker 26 Well, you can't be too careful.

Speaker 4 So he bitter.

Speaker 26 Whatever person gets behind you, the next thing you know, you've you've been choked out. You wake up in a fucking ravine somewhere with no clothes and animals chewing on your ankle.

Speaker 4 Well, I don't know about all that.

Speaker 26 I think you're in a hell of a pickle.

Speaker 4 We will stay on top of this pickle, the Martin Cove.

Speaker 26 And when your kidney, your kidney would be gone, one of them at least.

Speaker 26 You'd be packed in ice.

Speaker 4 Once again, we will stay on top of all this Diddy news and the Martin Cove story. A lot of things breaking all around us.
It's

Speaker 26 at least, you know, at least Diddy never bit anybody, did he?

Speaker 4 Did he?

Speaker 4 I can't say for sure.

Speaker 4 But we haven't seen pictures of bite marks. I guess that's the big thing.

Speaker 26 You know, they can identify people by their teeth marks.

Speaker 26 If they, if somebody take a plaster cast of that woman's arm.

Speaker 25 Nebraska, get ready to feel the pride.

Speaker 25 Love Nebraska volleyball is back January 2026, representing the entire state, featuring some of the best players in the world, including Nebraska's own Jordan Larson, Alexi Rodriguez, and Jay Lee Winters.

Speaker 25 Massive blocks, long rallies, and a statewide fan base that shows up loud. This is a season you don't want to miss.
Tickets available now. Visit LOVBNAB.com slash iHeart.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, Jim, let's go from

Speaker 4 Cynthia Plastercaster. That's actually not who we're talking about at all, but let's go from that segment.
Yes. All the way over to this segment.

Speaker 26 Saudi Arabia. No, it's my Omaha.

Speaker 4 Why don't we

Speaker 4 pick this up? Why don't we do a little from the files part two of something we talked about last week? Paul Heyman.

Speaker 4 I have the giant file here from the Wrestling News Archive. This is a compilation of everything that was a part of Pro Wrestling Enterprises.
And Paul Heyman, for a few years, was a big part of it.

Speaker 26 You said it was the fattest file.

Speaker 4 It is gigantic. You know, the other interesting thing.

Speaker 4 The other interesting thing here, too, is in a lot of ways, it's a document of what was happening on the indie scene in the Northeast in 84, 85, 86, 87.

Speaker 4 There's stuff here that Paul Heyman sent in himself, although he would say, like, credit this person.

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 4 Like when he was working for like Windy City Wrestling, or even when he was.

Speaker 26 Or that big, that big staff at what was it, Wrestling Press International?

Speaker 4 Wrestling Press International. I just found the actual invitation for the Bam Bam Bigelow debut match, a professionally done invitation from Studio 54.
And I have here a letter.

Speaker 26 But the problem was when they licked the envelopes for to send them out, everybody died.

Speaker 4 This is from, and there's not a date on it. Paul Heyman did not date these, but this is from the end of 83.

Speaker 4 Dear Mr. Keitzer,

Speaker 4 enclosed, please find several photographs and an article pertaining to the recent death of the Grand Wizard.

Speaker 4 I was a very close personal friend of his for many years, and as a matter of fact, it was he who broke me into the business, hooking me up with Vince McMahon Sr. and Jr.

Speaker 4 I ran a bulletin for four years, Wrestling Time, later renamed the Wrestling Times,

Speaker 4 and also ran fan clubs for Ivan Putsky, Louis Albano, and Freddie Blassey.

Speaker 4 Besides this, I also ran, at his request, the Wizards Fan Club for the last two years of his life. Ernie himself asked me to run it as a personal favor to him.

Speaker 4 I recently spoke with a man with whom I believe you are familiar, Frank Amato, who told me that your publication usually doesn't print long obituaries.

Speaker 4 Thinking that letting a man like the wizard die without proper tributes, I've decided to enclose the aforementioned article. Please look it over and get back to me at your convenience.

Speaker 4 If necessary, you can call me collect

Speaker 4 at 914, And there's a phone number here. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Very truly yours, Paul Heyman.

Speaker 4 P.S.

Speaker 4 Proper postage and a large envelope is enclosed in case you cannot use the material.

Speaker 4 So let's stop there for a second because we're going to now the origin story of Paul Heyman.

Speaker 26 Well, yeah, also.

Speaker 26 It's funny because when he says a motto said, you don't print it,

Speaker 26 Norman would print most things that if people would write them and send them, he would print them.

Speaker 26 I mean, it's not like if Bruno Samartino had died, he wouldn't have printed a big story on him or whatever. But yes, Paul was,

Speaker 26 he was closer to the wizard than he was anybody else. And,

Speaker 26 you know, was kind of felt that he was a disciple of his. But I love the many years that Paul was, what is this? 1980.

Speaker 4 What was it? End of 83.

Speaker 4 End of 83.

Speaker 26 Paul's 19.

Speaker 26 Many years.

Speaker 26 I met him when I was three.

Speaker 4 Well, the other thing, too, is Paul always had a deep, not necessarily deep, but he didn't always sound like a kid. He sounded like someone older and he knew how to project his voice.

Speaker 4 So if you got him on the phone, you didn't actually know.

Speaker 4 You may not know he's a kid. I mean, he's putting out a whole act here about Wrestling Press International and all this.

Speaker 26 And he had some gravitas the way he worded things also

Speaker 26 in letters. But

Speaker 26 yes, that

Speaker 26 that is true. You know, that was because he was a New York kid, so he loved the New York managers, Albano, Blassey, Wizard, especially Wizard.

Speaker 26 That was who he

Speaker 26 grew up watching, like we all did in our various places.

Speaker 4 I have the article here, but here's Norm Keitzer's response, December 2nd, 1983.

Speaker 4 Dear Paul, I received your article on the Grand Wizard, and thank you so much for sending it and thinking of us.

Speaker 4 It would be the type of article I might publish, and you indicated that Frank Amato had suggested you send it to me.

Speaker 4 I don't know if Frankie told you this, but the situation here is that we have gone through quite a reorganization.

Speaker 26 He's

Speaker 26 starting to let him down easy about getting any money whatsoever, right?

Speaker 4 And I don't at present have any money in the budget to purchase outside material from.

Speaker 4 The only outside material we are using in our magazine at this time is that which we get in trade in return for free advertisements and free copies of our publications.

Speaker 4 And since you didn't indicate that was the basis in which you were submitting this or what you would want in return, what I'm going to do is hold on to this, making sure you are aware of our situation here.

Speaker 4 And then, when you can get back to me, and tell me either to return the material to you or we can make some arrangement to use it on that basis if you are interested.

Speaker 4 Thank you again for thinking of us. Hope to hear from you again soon.
Sincerely yours, Norman Keitzer.

Speaker 4 Like you said, lowering the boom right there.

Speaker 26 Here's what we could actually do. We can send you some beans and corn from our garden.

Speaker 4 The Grand Wizard passes away at age 57 by Paul Heyman.

Speaker 4 The Grand Wizard, known the world over as the manager of champions, passed away in his sleep on October 13th. The cause of death was listed as heart failure.

Speaker 4 Born Irwin J., and then in parentheses, Ernie, Roth, on August 30th, 1926, in Campton, Ohio, he attended Brown University, graduating at the top of his class.

Speaker 4 Getting involved in radio, he worked as a disc jockey all over Ohio and Michigan. One of his fans was the controversial grappler Buddy Rogers, who introduced him to pro wrestling.

Speaker 4 His first job was as a ring announcer, but he quickly went on to become a blow-by-blow commentator on television. First, let me stop there.
I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 Did Buddy Rogers discover the Grand Wizard? I never knew that.

Speaker 26 It would have been.

Speaker 26 I mean, it's entirely possible. I have not read any biography on him to either confirm or deny it.

Speaker 26 But Ernie Roth started again as not only a DJ, but also he was an announcer and he was a television commentator. And this was

Speaker 26 the owl half era late 50s.

Speaker 26 So, you know, it's entirely possible that it was Rogers that may have done a radio spot and

Speaker 26 said, oh, you got to, you know, you got to come over here and meet the boys or whatever the case.

Speaker 26 But for several years before he became the first first incarnation of a manager, was what the first thing he did was Mr. Clean, right? With the bald head.

Speaker 4 Well, let me go back to this. It comes up here.

Speaker 26 Well, and it probably will because this is his life. But yeah,

Speaker 26 that was the way he started.

Speaker 4 In 1957,

Speaker 4 Ray Stevens, who had been impressed by Ernie's knowledge of the sport, asked him to become his manager. Accepting Stevens's offer, but wanting to protect his private life, he took the name J.

Speaker 4 Wellington Radcliffe.

Speaker 26 That's right. That was the first one.

Speaker 4 Once Stevens had moved on, the now successful manager went south under the alias Armstrong K.

Speaker 4 It was during this time.

Speaker 26 And that's when he had the long cigarette holder and he was wearing the Capri pants like Laura Petri on

Speaker 4 fucking Dick Van Dyke. Like Laura Petri.
That's right.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 And well, and the thing is, as I guess people, everybody knows now, I'm not, you know, say anything out of school, but Ernie Roth was gay and at a period when that was frowned on in a variety of places, in and out of wrestling.

Speaker 26 But he got by with some of these

Speaker 26 early gimmicks, the Armstrong Ks and things of that nature.

Speaker 4 Gay and Jewish. I mean, that couldn't have been an easy combination in various places.

Speaker 4 But let me go back to this. It was during this time that he met Johnny Berend and Magnificent Maurice.

Speaker 4 The three of them went to Indiana with the manager using the name Mr. Clean,

Speaker 4 and the tag team won the title in record time.

Speaker 4 While in Indiana, he was sought out by the Sheik, who was looking for a manager and was aware that Roth was multilingual. The Sheik asked him to handle his career.

Speaker 4 Accepting the new role, he took on the name Abdullah Farouk and soon rose to national prominence as Sheik won titles from coast to coast.

Speaker 4 His eight-year tenure with the Sheik came to an end and Abdullah Farouk reappeared in New York as the Grand Wizard.

Speaker 4 It's crazy just how many different, I didn't realize how many different names he had just by that point.

Speaker 26 Yeah, and well, and the reason why he didn't stay as Abdullah Farouk in New York is because

Speaker 26 Abdullah Farouk was created specifically to be with the Sheik.

Speaker 26 And he may have had interaction with some other heels over that eight-year run or whatever, but he was really just known as the sheik's guy.

Speaker 26 And the pictures of him together were in all the magazines and et cetera.

Speaker 26 They didn't necessarily want an Arab heel manager in New York, but with the turban, they just made it more generic. The grand wizard, he had a giant sequin to the turban.

Speaker 4 But he also had those glasses. Like there was something

Speaker 4 wizardly about him. I don't know what to say.
Like there was like something. It wasn't just like he's an Arab manager.
It was there's something,

Speaker 4 you know, mystical almost about this weird guy. And the other thing is, other than the clan,

Speaker 4 did anyone use the term like grand wizard? Was that a thing in society beyond the KKK?

Speaker 26 Well, yes, because of various of the Moose Lodge. I mean, I don't know specifically.
There's elks, there's mooses, there's Meeses, whatever the fuck. There's all these,

Speaker 26 you know,

Speaker 26 in the fucking

Speaker 26 Honeymooners, Grand Poobah of the Moose Lodge, or whatever, there's some type of grand wizard of

Speaker 26 these organizations, but the Klan pretty much doomed it. I don't know if they do that now, but that was done in the past.
They didn't just make that up, I don't think.

Speaker 4 After proving himself in the WWF to be an astute manager by handling such notorious rule breakers as Blackjack Mulligan and Beautiful Bobby, he pulled off the managerial coup of 1972 by convincing young Jimmy Valiant to double-cross Chief Jay Strongbow.

Speaker 4 This touched off a feud between the Indian and the Wizard, which lasted 13 years.

Speaker 26 And it felt like every bit of it to the fans in the Northeast.

Speaker 4 On December 1st, 1973, the Wizard led Stan Stasiak to the WWF World Heavyweight Championship when the Master of the Heart Punch defeated Pedro Morales. in Philadelphia.

Speaker 4 The reign was short, as Bruno San Martino defeated Stasiak only nine days later at at Madison Square Garden. For three and a half years, the Wizard looked for someone to overthrow the living legend.

Speaker 4 His dream was fulfilled on April 30th, 1977, when superstar Billy Graham defeated Bruno in a controversial match in Baltimore, Maryland.

Speaker 4 The validity of Graham's claim to the title was questioned because his feet were on the top rope when he pinned San Martino.

Speaker 4 The colorful duo was the toast of the East Coast as Graham Graham tore through all opposition for 10 months until Bob Backlund won the belt in February 1978.

Speaker 4 Boy, they really did give him. I mean, I never thought about the timeline.
He gets to New York. Right away, he's managing top people.
They give him Stasiak.

Speaker 4 Albano had Kohloff a few years earlier. Blassey was just about to become a manager, I guess.

Speaker 26 Yeah, Blassey didn't start till 73 because that's when he had to leave California. He couldn't get licensed after the age of 55.

Speaker 4 Since the day the title left his stable, The Wizard brought in an amazing array of talent to the WWF.

Speaker 4 Although he never saw Backlund defeated, he did lead Pat Patterson, Ken Patera, and the magnificent Morocco to the Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 4 At the time of his death, Sergeant Slaughter and the mass superstar were both under his management, and no replacement has been named as of yet.

Speaker 4 Though he was roundly booed and jeered,

Speaker 4 the wizard was, without a doubt, the most respected manager in the history of professional wrestling.

Speaker 4 His wit, eloquence, and showmanship will be remembered fondly by the wrestling community for many years to come.

Speaker 4 And there's obviously a very personal write-up of the Grand Wizard by Paul Heyman, who, you know, we always...

Speaker 26 So Paul does have a sentimental side.

Speaker 4 You know, we always talk about Heyman being around the garden.

Speaker 4 Now, Banno and Blassie were there, but Wizard really was, for a lot of people, not even just Heyman, Wizard, Ernie Roth was someone who opened doors and got people involved somehow.

Speaker 26 Yeah, well, he was, again,

Speaker 26 he was more of a guy that wasn't.

Speaker 26 one of the boys per se as much as the manager, the announcer, an office type of guy who was apparently level-headed and had been around for a while, had experience with a variety of talents.

Speaker 26 So, you know,

Speaker 26 he had people's ear because he had been around so long at a high level and communicated with people.

Speaker 4 All right, I can't speak to the validity of this.

Speaker 26 Uh-oh.

Speaker 4 Because I have here a few different things.

Speaker 26 Is this another one of those contracts that Paul signed in Disappearing Inc.?

Speaker 4 Well, no, I have a picture here, a couple pictures, and

Speaker 4 let me pull this up here. I have what claims to be a transcript of an interview that Paul Heyman conducted with Richard Belzer,

Speaker 4 1985, Wrestling Press International.

Speaker 4 But again, I just don't know.

Speaker 4 It wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't be like anyone would be surprised if I said, Heyman may have made something up.

Speaker 26 Could this be like one of those Mike Lano interviews?

Speaker 4 Now, there's a picture here of Richard Belzer apparently reading the wrestling news. You could barely see what magazine it is.
It's almost like someone like snuck a camera in it.

Speaker 4 It got a photo without Richard Belzer knowing about it.

Speaker 4 But there's a couple of things here.

Speaker 26 It was either the wrestling news or porn.

Speaker 4 Let me go to this. I have the letter.
Dear Mr. Keiter, enclosed, please find two color slides that could be used as cover shots or color supplements or for whatever purpose you may find them.

Speaker 4 The first slide. Shows Hulk Hogan and Mr.
T with Richard Belzer on Belzer's cable talk show Hot Properties, which is shown on the Lifetime Network.

Speaker 4 I'm sure you're aware of the incident that occurred involving Hogan and Belzer.

Speaker 4 The second slide is an exclusive of Richard Belzer reading the wrestling news.

Speaker 4 I recently conducted an exclusive interview with Belzer and will be sending you the story and some black and white photos that goes along with these slides tomorrow.

Speaker 4 I wanted to rush these slides to you in case you can use them. We'll speak to you soon, Paul Heyman.

Speaker 26 And here's the. Hey, I got to hear the interview.

Speaker 26 Let's see if we can smell the good, strong smell of bullshit.

Speaker 4 All right, first question from Paul Heyman. First of all, you did ask Coke Hogan to put you in a hold.
Why would you do such a thing?

Speaker 4 The answer? Why did I do it? Because I had no idea that he would hurt me. I thought he would just demonstrate the hold in a non-violent way.

Speaker 4 It's an entertainment show, and I thought it would be fun for him to show it to me and not execute any injuries upon me. I just did it in a very gracious, naive, host-like way.

Speaker 4 The next question,

Speaker 4 what happened?

Speaker 4 He put me in a chin lock, a front chin lock. It's not a sleeper hold.
It's a different hold from what I found out.

Speaker 4 As soon as he put me in the hold, it cut off my oxygen, and I was hurt. I was in severe pain.
I couldn't breathe. I passed out.

Speaker 4 And then, from looking at the footage, I see that after I passed out, he just took his arms away and let me fall.

Speaker 4 And I hit the back of my head on a studio floor and got eight stitches in the back of my head.

Speaker 4 Next question. When you hit the floor, were you out?

Speaker 4 I was unconscious when I fell. And then this is all in bold, in caps, and underlined.
I fainted in his arms, and and then he dropped me.

Speaker 4 So let me stop here for a second.

Speaker 26 That is clearly what the attorney has told him to emphasize.

Speaker 4 It doesn't seem like, I mean, it could be a fake, but it kind of works out so far. It could be something.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I mean, it sounds legitimate. And again, you know, if you know something about wrestling, you could concoct that, but it doesn't sound like that.
Uh he's making anything up.

Speaker 4 Your eyes start to open and Hogan helps you up. What's going through your mind? The question from Paul Heyman.

Speaker 4 Well, at that point I was in shock. And when I came to, I knew that I couldn't continue.
I knew that something was wrong. I didn't know I was bleeding.
So I figured we better go to commercial.

Speaker 4 And then I went backstage and was taken to the hospital.

Speaker 4 Here's a question. Right before Hulk put you in the hold, he said to Mr.
T, and Richard Belzer cuts him off, let me know know when you think he's had enough. And then Paul Heyman's question continues.

Speaker 4 He mentioned squealing. At that point, did you think he was kidding?

Speaker 4 From Belzer, I'll tell you, I met Hulk before the show and he was very nice to me. He had seen my film and said he was a fan of mine.
So I, of course, thought he was kidding.

Speaker 4 The farthest thing from my mind was that he would hurt me. I wouldn't have been out there if I thought he would hurt me.

Speaker 26 I think this is legitimate.

Speaker 4 And what do you think today? Asks Paul Heyman of Wrestling Press International.

Speaker 4 I think he knew what he was doing, and I'm kind of sickened and shocked by that.

Speaker 4 But by studying the tapes and his remarks before he did it, and his remarks afterwards, and the whole climate around this thing, it appears to me that it wasn't a case of him not knowing his own strength or of it being an accident.

Speaker 4 He fully intended to do what he did.

Speaker 4 Again, bold, underlined, it opps.

Speaker 4 So he hurt you on purpose?

Speaker 4 The answer? Yeah,

Speaker 4 I think so. In my opinion, he did.

Speaker 4 Do you have any idea why he would do this? The answer? I think it's because him and Mr. T got caught up in their macho posturing.
You know, they say they don't know their own strength.

Speaker 4 I think they don't know their own mental strength is what it is.

Speaker 4 I think there might be something wrong with these guys. Again, bold underlining caps.
I think, I don't know. I mean, I'm not a psychiatrist or a doctor, but I think these are disturbed people

Speaker 4 and they have to visit violence upon to prove that they're a man.

Speaker 4 Let me stop there for a little bit. What do you think of the quotes here from Belzer?

Speaker 26 Well, I'm believing this interview more and more because this actually, when you think about it, he obviously either knew he was going to file suit or was in the process of doing so.

Speaker 26 And so this is a great defense. This is a first-hand account of everything that you would say in a deposition on the side of a lawsuit.
So

Speaker 26 he was probably giving these interviews everywhere he could.

Speaker 4 I don't know where else he gave these interviews. How did Heyman get this interview? That's the big question, but let's go back to this.

Speaker 26 Well,

Speaker 26 think about this.

Speaker 26 Was this an official interview or did Paul find him hanging around Studio 54 or

Speaker 26 the fucking China Club or whatever these goddamn clubs are? And this was bullshit that you know they were bullshitting back and forth.

Speaker 4 Oh, it says here: interview conducted in a bathroom stall at La Barbat.

Speaker 26 There you go.

Speaker 4 No, but let me go back to this. There you go.
The question:

Speaker 4 Paul Heyman, pointing to an article which states, At no time did Hogan or Mr. T offer apologies.
Hulk Hogan has offered no apologies?

Speaker 4 And then Richard Belzer says, uh, he apologized right after on the air. But if you see the tape, I mean, it's, it's, I don't know.
I didn't take the apology seriously.

Speaker 4 Here's Heyman. And in today's paper, Mr.
T called you a jerk.

Speaker 4 Belzer says, well, I'm flattered by that. And then Heyman says, why is that?

Speaker 4 And Belzer says, well, because someone who has so little intelligence perceives me as a jerk. that I must be doing something to make them think and evoke feelings from them.

Speaker 4 So I'm not disturbed by him. Once again, bold caps under.

Speaker 26 Well, that was kind of an unwieldy comeback, but.

Speaker 4 I'm disturbed that he's a hero to children.

Speaker 4 That he has an effect on

Speaker 4 impressionable people.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm disturbed by. You see, no one could say anything to hurt me.
That's the point. But just that I was hurt physically.
That's why I'm so insulted by this.

Speaker 4 Here's a question.

Speaker 4 You say say you're disturbed that Mr. T is a hero to children.
Do you think he's a bad example for children?

Speaker 4 The answer? Yes, very much so. Because he's a cheerleader for violence.
He celebrates violence. He talks about inflicting pain on people.
Once again, this is underlined, in caps, and bold.

Speaker 4 He wraps himself in crippled children and God.

Speaker 4 And he thinks that by mentioning those things, he can go out and be uncivilized and beat people up or intimidate people.

Speaker 26 Wow.

Speaker 4 I think, you know, not only is it wrong, it's not even American to be like that. If he's a hero in this country, we should look at ourselves.
It's the wrong kind of hero, in my point of view.

Speaker 4 So, of course, the follow-up question from Heyman, he's a bad example?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think he's a very bad example.

Speaker 4 Anybody who celebrates violence and who is looked up to by children is a bad example by definition, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 Question, what was your opinion of wrestling before all this happened?

Speaker 4 Answer, well, I'll tell you, when I was a kid, I used to go see Dr. Jerry Graham, Ricky Starr, Antonino Raca, Haystax Calhoun, all these people.

Speaker 26 Jesus, he knew everybody.

Speaker 4 And I have very fond memories of wrestling from when I was a kid. Me and my friends used to go to the Knights of Columbus Hall in Bridgeport, Connecticut when wrestling was on Channel 5.

Speaker 4 And my mother would say, at least I knew where you were tonight because I saw you in the audience on wrestling.

Speaker 4 So wrestling was a very wholesome, fun form of entertainment. They were real heroes and real villains then, and it was clearly defined.

Speaker 4 And the resurgence of wrestling, to me, has kind of a mean-spirited side to it. This incident with John Stossel, and now me?

Speaker 4 And as far as the controversy over whether it's fake or real, I don't care if it's fake or real.

Speaker 4 I just care that the guys, some of the guys in it, are so insecure about whether it's fake or real that they have to go out and beat people up because they're working out their own mental insecurities.

Speaker 4 Damn. I mean, if people get enjoyment out of it, that's fine.
But when the real violence spills out into the real world, then it's not the wrestling I knew as a kid.

Speaker 4 There's a different mentality here, and it's very intimidating. And it's not entertaining to me that the threat of violence is in the air.
I think that wrestling should be controlled.

Speaker 4 There should be warnings with it when a kid watches it on TV, that these men are experts at what they do.

Speaker 4 And I don't think there's enough safeguards around wrestling the way it is now. Because if the people in it are taking it so seriously, and then kids will think it's real.

Speaker 26 See?

Speaker 4 The adults know it's a put-on. I know you're not supposed to say that, but the wrestlers know it.
And any intelligent person or semi-intelligent person knows that these guys are great athletes.

Speaker 26 He's starting to lose me again.

Speaker 4 And they know how to throw each other around. And it's predetermined who wins and who doesn't, which is fine.

Speaker 4 But if children think it's real and they see people like vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro at the wrestling matches and Gloria Steinem and Cindy Lauper,

Speaker 4 and impressionable people look up to these people and they'll say, well, I wasn't sure about wrestling, but if they're there, I guess it's okay.

Speaker 4 Then we have to be careful and qualify it

Speaker 4 because it's contributing to a trend of violence in this country that's not healthy. I really think there should be some controls on wrestling.
Let's stop there. What are your thoughts now?

Speaker 26 Well, my thought is, I bet Norm Keitser didn't publish this whole thing in its entirety, did he?

Speaker 4 I don't know if this got published. I have to double check that.

Speaker 26 Because that's a, I don't remember Norm Keitzer ever publishing anything directly admitting that wrestling was a work.

Speaker 4 You mentioned John Stossel and the incident with David Schultz on 2020. Stossel is suing Schultz.

Speaker 4 Are you planning a lawsuit against Hogan?

Speaker 26 Uh-huh.

Speaker 4 We don't know. My attorneys are

Speaker 4 talking about that now.

Speaker 4 So I can't really talk about it. We're definitely considering it.
How many stitches did you get? Eight.

Speaker 4 How come they didn't cut your hair off? I didn't let them. I begged the hospital not to.
Well, they cut it, but they wanted to shave it, and I said no.

Speaker 4 Belzer adds to a previously asked question. You see, I think wrestling has lost its innocence.

Speaker 26 Either there was some Bolivian marching power in that powder in that bathroom stall, or elsewhere Pauli may have embellished some of that.

Speaker 26 Do you think he rattled that stump speech off top of his head in the bathroom at La Bar of the Bats?

Speaker 4 There's a letter here. That's what a little weird.
It says, what has the public reaction to all this been? And Belzer says, actually, I've been very moved by it.

Speaker 4 I can read you a typical letter if you want. And then it has the letter printed here.

Speaker 4 But again, did Heyman, well, I guess if he had a tape recorder going, he would.

Speaker 4 Dear Richard, my husband and I are both fans of yours and until last night, fans of Hulk Hogan and wrestling.

Speaker 4 We were aware that wrestling was staged, an act, staged strictly for entertainment, and never took that so-called violence seriously. We were outraged at the horrible incident that occurred on 2020.

Speaker 4 We were so disgusted that we decided to boycott wrestling.

Speaker 4 About a week after 2020, we decided that one barbarian like David Schultz,

Speaker 4 I believe that was the wrestler's name, didn't make everyone associated with wrestling a barbarian. We started watching it again, enjoying the ridiculous antics of the wrestlers.

Speaker 4 We liked Hulk Hogan, WrestleMania, The Rock and Wrestling Connection, Cindy Lauper, Lou Albano, etc.

Speaker 4 But after what happened last night, we are never watching wrestling again.

Speaker 26 Never!

Speaker 4 We are just sick that such a thing could happen. Mr.
T was rude to you during the whole show, which was bad enough. And which we tried to excuse as an act.

Speaker 4 But for you to be injured by Mr. Hogan is just inexcusable.
And then Belzer says, Anyway, that's pretty much the tone of every letter I've gotten.

Speaker 26 Well, yeah, what are they going to do? They're going to write him, yeah, you got what you deserved, you son of a bitch. I wish you'd have broke your fucking neck.
Um, I honestly

Speaker 26 lived through that in real time, as the kids say. And I

Speaker 26 remember the kerfluffle about the whole thing, and obviously the incident itself, and it was reported on news reports everywhere. And

Speaker 26 then the resulting lawsuit that did happen and didn't,

Speaker 26 was it him or Stossel

Speaker 26 that named a house they bought after their lawsuit that year?

Speaker 4 It was a. That was Stossel.
No, it was Belzer. It was a villa in the south of France called Shea Hogan.

Speaker 26 There you go.

Speaker 26 And it's Stossel, the one that said that his lifelong hearing problem cleared up a lot better once that he got his judgment.

Speaker 26 But I don't remember there being a groundswell of fan sympathy for poor Richard Belzer that because

Speaker 26 not a lot of people knew how bad he was hurt

Speaker 26 unless you were the wrestling nerd that delved into it.

Speaker 26 When he got the Hogan cranked up on the front facelock, then let him go. Belzer slipped like a wet rag to the floor, cracked his head on the floor.

Speaker 26 got right back up and pitched, we'll be right back because he didn't know where he was at and turned around and you could barely see the blood dripping down his jacket at that point.

Speaker 26 So, most people

Speaker 26 thought it was some stunt that happened. Then the wrestling community

Speaker 26 focused in on it when it became a thing. And, you know, people heard about it otherwise in the gossip column in the newspaper or whatever, but I don't think they were.

Speaker 26 They didn't start a charity GoFundMe for Richard Belzer's hospital bills. People weren't trying to,

Speaker 26 you know, set up sniping locations at Hogan for that. That would come later on in years to come.

Speaker 4 Let me go back to the, we're getting to the end here. Here's a question from Paul Heyman.
You must be bitter.

Speaker 4 The answer? Well,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm starting to get all my senses back after this.

Speaker 4 I was in shock for a few days, but the thing that really,

Speaker 4 frankly, disturbs me, of course, I'm angry and upset, and I feel violated. I feel raped.

Speaker 4 I mean, the guy came on my show, and this is all in caps again and underlined and bold, as a guest and smacked my fucking head against the floor.

Speaker 4 So I am pissed off.

Speaker 4 But I'm more concerned about children looking up to these guys.

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 4 I mean, that makes me focus on it even more.

Speaker 26 I've been focused all night.

Speaker 4 The fact that I was injured and these guys are heroes. I mean, that's very unsettling.
So my jury, my personal jury, is still out as to what to do about that. But I'm concerned about that.

Speaker 26 I've been concerned for three days now.

Speaker 4 Do you have a warning for children? asked Paul Heyman.

Speaker 26 Yes, I do.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I have a warning for parents, not children. I think it's the obligation of the parents.
If they're into wrestling and their kids are into Mr.

Speaker 4 T and the Hulk and all that stuff, then I guess it's up to the parents. Because obviously, the wrestling community is not taking the responsibility.

Speaker 4 So it's up to the parents to really set kids straight. It's like the three stooges.
You know, it's cartoon violence. In other words, it's not real.

Speaker 4 And the children should be told to be very careful and not emulate these guys. It's weird how like his focus is like this.

Speaker 4 It's not even about him. He's kind of making it a,

Speaker 4 you know, look at the bird over here. Look over here.
It's all about this. It's about the children.
Richard Bell's. Well, also,

Speaker 26 I think the bird of paradise is floating up his nose.

Speaker 4 But even more so than that, it's the attitude of Mr. T and the Hulk about hurting people and inflicting pain and the way they openly talk about it and advocate it.

Speaker 4 That to me is sickening. You know, Mr.
T says I like to hurt people. I mean, who likes to hurt people? Psychopaths like to hurt people.

Speaker 4 It's okay okay if they're talking about wrestling in general, but it's another idea saying you're going around the streets and beating people up.

Speaker 26 Mr. T was noted for that in those days.
He's one night he's on network television on the A-team. The next day he's out in the street beating people up.

Speaker 4 And that everyone's a wimp if they don't weigh 300 pounds. I mean, what is that? That's really mindless thug behavior.
So I don't know. It's sickening.
I never was for the glorification of violence.

Speaker 4 Now it's being endorsed by celebrities, which makes it even scarier. I think these people should wake up.
Celebrities that are kissing wrestlers' asses.

Speaker 4 It's not good.

Speaker 4 Anyway, what else?

Speaker 4 What else?

Speaker 4 Is there anything you'd like to add? I don't know. Just that this is a trend in our country.

Speaker 4 that America better wake up, control wrestling, and put it in its place, and make sure the children are protected from the indiscriminate use of violence outside the ring.

Speaker 26 The children.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think that if wrestling has any inner kind of intelligence, they should get their act together and organize and not be controlled by one personality.

Speaker 4 But they should have a board and have insurance for the wrestlers and protect the public against this. Good lord.
It's all over the place.

Speaker 4 It seems like it's a trend that all of a sudden exploded on the scene. And people are very impressionable and they see celebrities involved in it.

Speaker 4 You know, I think wrestling is a chance to really clean up its act and be safe and be a helpful form of entertainment. But it seems they are going in another direction.
And it's scary to me, frankly.

Speaker 4 Richard, thank you very much. Okay, thank you.
And then it says here, after the interview.

Speaker 26 That'll be $100 for that last eight ball.

Speaker 4 After the interview, Richard requested that an unofficial poll be taken as to whether or not Hulk Hogan was at fault and what people really feel about this incident and the situation that has arisen with Stossel and now Belzer's own harrowing experience.

Speaker 4 Interview conducted in the Lifetime Cable Studios, New York City.

Speaker 26 So there we go. I thought it was in a bathroom at a bar.

Speaker 4 There we go. Paul Heyman,

Speaker 4 enterprise. I mean, that's the thing, I guess, when you look back at all the early stuff with Heyman and everything now.
He's an enterprising guy. He's a bullshitter,

Speaker 4 but he uses his bullshit to get in the door. And, you know, eventually he had his own thing, but just always

Speaker 4 networking, always presenting, always performing. And it got him here.
So, I mean, obviously he must be happy with how it worked out, but these early years are pretty interesting.

Speaker 26 And that transcript validates what i've always thought about the front face lock incident because remember i've always said

Speaker 26 when hogan i believe hogan cranked up on it to let richard belzer know a laha you know hey

Speaker 26 type of thing but it was three seconds at most and then belser flopped like a goddamn circus seal

Speaker 26 The only way that a hold like that can put you out that instantly is if your heart's beating a million miles an hour.

Speaker 26 And I have a feeling Richards Belzer's heart spent a lot of time at that time period of the

Speaker 26 80s beating a million, 100 million miles an hour. That, you know, kind of gives me more evidence.

Speaker 4 Well, there it is. Do you think it's a real interview?

Speaker 26 Would you talk to some 20-year-old fucking wrestling press numb nuts for that long if you weren't just in having a talkative day?

Speaker 4 and again the photo i have of richard belzer reading the wrestling news if we're going to assume that paul heyman took that photo there that day again how do you get in if this guy's talking to the times the post the daily news news day

Speaker 4 all of a sudden the wrestling

Speaker 26 he said it was it was uh conducted at the lifetime cable station was somewhere or the other pauley got in there and convinced him that he was

Speaker 26 somebody to do with something and got an interview with him. That's just while he's waiting to shoot some kind of cable show.

Speaker 4 Well, there it is from the files. Paul Heyman, I guess part two of the Paul Heyman files.

Speaker 26 I think next week we need to read the Rockford files.

Speaker 4 What if instead of,

Speaker 4 hypothetically, Bolivian marching powder,

Speaker 4 Richard Belzer before the show, or maybe after the show when he was really feeling it, decided to kick back and enjoy a blueberry breeze.

Speaker 4 Get on a completely different wavelength, if you understand what I'm saying, from our friends at Cornbread Hemp.

Speaker 26 well in that case if that had happened then richard belzer and hulk hogan would have still been best friends they'd be changing christmas cards every year and and and they'd be just they'd be flying off to south sea islands together for vacations because there would have been no violence brian the violence would have been calmed down and curbed because folks if you're looking for a better way to socialize and sip, then you've got to try Cornbread Hemp's brand new THC seltzers because they're your ticket to hangouts without the hangover.

Speaker 26 Because there's no alcohol. It's just pure clean THC

Speaker 26 because relaxation shouldn't come with consequences. And there's consequences.

Speaker 26 Now let's say that you're sitting out in the backyard this summer and you're hanging out with your friends and you drink four beers

Speaker 26 and somebody's going to say, well, hey, Cletus, if you climbed up on the roof and jumped off onto that umbrella, I bet you could pole vault all the way to Doris's house. And you're going to do it.

Speaker 26 And then you're going to fracture yourself and you're going to be paralyzed. You're going to be in a hospital in traction and an iron lung.

Speaker 26 But if you were to drink four blueberry breezes from cornbread hemp.

Speaker 26 You not only wouldn't be able to get up on that roof, but you wouldn't even remember where you put the ladder.

Speaker 4 Let's not say that.

Speaker 26 So you would be just fine and you would be free from any kind of injuries.

Speaker 4 We agree with that. You will be just fine.
And of course, consume what they suggest. Don't go Buck Wild, but enjoy it.

Speaker 26 Well, no, that's not one of the flavors. Buck Wild didn't make it out of the marketing fucking test.
They went with blueberry breeze. peach iced tea, raspberry lime aid, and salted watermelon.

Speaker 26 Buck Wild didn't make it.

Speaker 26 But it's incredible flavors flavors and no alcohol no guilt no regrets you drink a couple of these you commit any heinous act you will not no you can't what the hell are you saying there no you can't create any

Speaker 4 no

Speaker 4 don't commit or create

Speaker 26 don't don't commit or create any guilt or regrets that's what it says no guilt

Speaker 26 Well, you're not going to feel bad because you got drunk and messed up somebody's wedding or something because you were falling all over yourself and then you put your hand in the cake when you leaned on the table by mistake.

Speaker 26 You're not going to do that. You're just going to be sleeping over in the corner after you've, you know, idly had impure thoughts about the bride all to yourself, alone in the corner.

Speaker 4 You will be there enjoying the day just as you normally would, except you'll be having that little blueberry breeze cake or whatever. flavor you enjoy Jimmy.

Speaker 26 You'll be enjoying it even more than you would normally enjoy it, except if you enjoy it. And no, only 30 calories, five grams of sugar.
So you're not going to get fat. You're just going to get buzzy.

Speaker 26 You're not going to be couchlocked or paranoid because each can only has five milligrams of THC.

Speaker 26 And everybody knows that the standards now with the USDA, you have to have 32 milligrams of THC before you grow into the couch. like part of the fabric.

Speaker 26 Folks, I'm telling you right now, the cornbread hemp seltzers are perfect for unwinding, kicking back, kicking in the front. Also, drink three or four of these.

Speaker 26 You'll kick a son of Bishop to ball as he gets in your way. But you'll enjoy the moment without alcohol or a hangover.
And again, perfect for spring and summer. It's refreshing, relaxing.

Speaker 26 You can have a new way to have a great time with friends. Now get the goddamn friends and you'll have something.

Speaker 26 Seltzer's with friends. It's like

Speaker 26 it's social. Folks, right now,

Speaker 26 you can save 30% off of your first order and free shipping on orders over $75, of which you've already saved 30% on.

Speaker 26 If you head over to Cornbread Hemp, if you can spell corn and bread and hemp, put all those things together, cornbreadhemp.com slash JCE,

Speaker 26 30% off your first order and free shipping on orders over $75. Get just,

Speaker 26 you know, the thing to do in the summertime, Brian. Get one of the kiddie pools and fill it up with blueberry breezes and then just dive in headfirst and with your mouth open.

Speaker 26 And boy, you'll be sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows, waterfalls.

Speaker 26 Just one of the small kids' pools, though. You don't have to go too far.

Speaker 4 Not advisable, but what is advisable is to take up this great deal. Yes.
Now we're good friends at Cornbread Hemp in Louisville.

Speaker 4 Jim, one more time, how can the listeners check out these fine seltzers from Cornbread Hemp?

Speaker 26 And all the other fine products they have, the gummies and the, they also have hemp if you're wanting to make ropes to climb out of towers. CornbreadHemp.com.

Speaker 26 I just threw that in there for you. CornbreadHemp.com.
slash JCE, 30% off your first order.

Speaker 26 Free shipping on orders over $75 and raw raw materials to make ropes with which to escape and climb mountains.

Speaker 4 Once again, our friends, Cornbread Hemp.

Speaker 25 Nebraska, get ready to feel the pride.

Speaker 25 Love Nebraska volleyball is back January 2026, representing the entire state, featuring some of the best players in the world, including Nebraska's own Jordan Larson, Alexi Rodriguez, and Jay Lee Winters.

Speaker 25 Massive blocks, long rallies, and a statewide fan base that shows up loud. This is a season you don't want to miss.
Tickets available now. Visit lovbnab.com/slash iHeart.

Speaker 4 All right, some sloppy sounds to get us to the

Speaker 4 final go-around here on the show. We got a bunch of questions, and uh doesn't look like anything crazy is happening at the moment, so we can get the questions.

Speaker 4 Jim, this was sent in via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Edward Whipkey.

Speaker 4 How true was it that Kerry von Erich was going to replace Sting for Wrestle War 90 since Jim was on the booking committee?

Speaker 26 The what? Now,

Speaker 26 back up.

Speaker 4 When Sting got hurt leading up to Wrestle War 90, the match would flare that Lex Luger took his place.

Speaker 4 He's saying, How true is it that Kerry von Erich was going to replace Sting?

Speaker 26 That's news to me.

Speaker 26 Where was Kerry then?

Speaker 26 Was Carrie still in Texas? Was Carrie,

Speaker 26 was he out of commission? Did he have, when did he have his wreck? I don't know.

Speaker 26 Point is, all I can tell you is that we were in Corpus Christi the night it happened.

Speaker 26 That they had set the whole thing up. The horseman had become babyface.
Sting was a part of the group so that they could do the deal that they did. Ole could tell him off.
They could turn on Sting.

Speaker 26 And that was going to set up the February pay-per-view. It was February 25th, was it? That date sticks out in my mind, 1990.

Speaker 26 It was going to be Sting and Flair, and Flair was going to put the belt on Sting.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 the show closing deal when the horsemen were getting the heat in the cage on, and I think it was other heels. It was Gary Hart's guys because they had just turned a heel earlier that night.

Speaker 26 So the horsemen were beating up the other heels. And Sting came down, tried to climb in the cage, and they wanted,

Speaker 26 if Sting was going to try to get climb in the cage and get the horseman and then the everybody else is trying to pull Sting down, don't go in there and it's going to be mass chaos.

Speaker 26 Well, Doug Dillinger

Speaker 26 had never been, never been trained as a worker, reverted back to his goddamn police training and pulled Sting down off the cage for a shoot. And when he landed, that's when he tore his ACL.

Speaker 26 And so

Speaker 26 we didn't automatically know that it was torn, but since he was hobbling around in the back,

Speaker 26 we knew something was up. And

Speaker 26 I had originally,

Speaker 26 where the fuck were we the next day? Somewhere in Texas.

Speaker 26 Well, I'll just grab my Midnight Express book and figure out where we were because that was

Speaker 26 February 1990, correct? We were in Corpus Christi for the Clash of Champions.

Speaker 26 And that was February the 6th.

Speaker 26 And the next day, we were in Beaumont, Texas.

Speaker 26 So, point being, I had been going to

Speaker 26 drive to Beaumont that night, but Flair said, nah, we got to figure out something. Everybody just said, let's.

Speaker 26 Let's stay here. And because he was going to fly anyway the next morning, and we'll meet at the airport in the morning and we'll figure out what we're going to do.

Speaker 26 Because the pay-per-view is the 25th, and it was in Greensboro. I've just seen in my book.

Speaker 26 And so I'm thinking, what the fuck, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 get there the next morning, thinking we're going to have this meeting and, you know, concoct all these potential ideas. And Flair just said,

Speaker 26 we're going to switch Luger, put him in there. And then we just flew to fucking Beaumont.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 I mean,

Speaker 26 did he call Carrie that night from the holiday inn in Corpus Christi and ask him then?

Speaker 26 Because the next day he told the rest of his creative team that we were going to switch Luger.

Speaker 26 So,

Speaker 26 and I'm looking here because

Speaker 26 we were

Speaker 26 at yes, Beaumont, we did three TV tapes.

Speaker 26 And that was, and Luger began his babyface turn

Speaker 26 because we were doing TV. There was no way from one night to the next day

Speaker 26 to bring anybody new in, right?

Speaker 26 So that,

Speaker 26 no, I don't believe there was anything to that.

Speaker 4 The rumor had always been that later in the year, they wanted Kerry Von Eric to come in, and he decided not to. And that's when he went to the WWF and had that run where he beat Mr.

Speaker 4 Perfect for the Intercontinental title at SummerSlam. And was it

Speaker 4 that for a little while?

Speaker 26 That is more credible

Speaker 26 because later on in the year, depending on what time it was, you know, I was not on the creative team.

Speaker 26 I heard bubbles of, oh, we, but, you know, you would think they would talk to Kerry if Kerry wasn't signed anywhere else and was back, you know, ambulatory after his accident, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 4 But he was never brought up to you in your time on the booking committee as someone to bring in or anything.

Speaker 26 I mean, if it in passing, it would have been to the point where I didn't even really remember it.

Speaker 26 You know, at that point, and that was from

Speaker 26 what, October-ish of September, October of 89 through February of 90.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, let's get another one here, Jim.
This one is from the Cult of Cornet Facebook group. This was sent in by Tony Osio.

Speaker 4 I grew up in Wichita, Kansas in the 70s and 80s. It was part of the Central States territory, aka Poverty Row.

Speaker 4 The TV time slot in our market for the studio show was midnight on Saturdays on the weakest station in the market at the time, NBC.

Speaker 4 It was the last show before the color bars. And there were times that the Central State studio show would air right after Saturday night's main event.

Speaker 4 My question is this.

Speaker 4 What are some of the other terrible time slots you remember for studio wrestling shows in the 70s and 80s?

Speaker 26 Oh, my God. I mean,

Speaker 26 there were rotten time slots in every territory at one point in time in some town.

Speaker 26 Smoky Mountain Wrestling, when we got on the air in Chattanooga, it was Friday night at one o'clock.

Speaker 26 Or Saturday morning at one o'clock, however way you wanted to phrase it.

Speaker 26 But no,

Speaker 26 that's the thing, especially in the smaller markets in the territory days. You were,

Speaker 26 you had good points. You were a popular program.
Wrestling,

Speaker 26 except the most low-rent,

Speaker 26 you know, weak station, small market, bad territory, whatever, wrestling always did

Speaker 26 as good or better ratings than most local programs or even syndicated programs, in a lot of cases, anywhere in the markets.

Speaker 26 But at the same time, if you found a station manager that either didn't like wrestling or they were doing just fine because there was only three stations in the market, they were all network affiliates.

Speaker 26 Then, you know, if you want to be on TV,

Speaker 26 it might need to be at 2 o'clock in the morning. And that's especially in New York.
What was the big time slot in New York on WOR for years?

Speaker 4 They had various ones. I think it may have been midnight.

Speaker 26 I think it was midnight, and they still did numbers in the Bruno days with that, where they bragged that like X hundred thousand homes watching Saturdays at midnight for

Speaker 26 worldwide wrestling or whatever it was.

Speaker 26 Bruisers show.

Speaker 26 For years, Bruisers TV was on

Speaker 26 on either channel four or channel six. The Independent was four out of Bloomington and six was the,

Speaker 26 I'm going to say NBC affiliate in Indianapolis itself in a daytime slot, but it would rerun

Speaker 26 Saturday night at, you know, after the late movie at one o'clock in the morning or whatever it was.

Speaker 26 That's how I first found wrestling because I couldn't get the Indianapolis stations in the daytime when Channel 3 in Louisville was on the air.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 I mean, it just, you know,

Speaker 26 you couldn't draw houses with a horrible time slot in the middle of the night but you could try to build a fan base where you could at least run spot shows

Speaker 26 or whatever and and try to get upgraded to a better time slot but no even in the territory days you had to have something

Speaker 26 in between nine o'clock in the morning and midnight and on a station that somebody watched you know for for you to be able to run that market consistently for house shows.

Speaker 26 But the shows ended up all over the fucking place.

Speaker 4 You know, after all the buzz from like just tape traders, all of a sudden ECW got on New York TV, but it was the MSG network on cable at two in the morning.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I think it was actually a time buy.

Speaker 26 And they were lucky to get it because, you know, it's New York and it was crowded.

Speaker 26 And then still, there was.

Speaker 26 There was more people watching television in New York.

Speaker 26 And I'm not talking about sports channel or some of the cable channels, but just if you could get on broadcast TV in New York in the 70s, there was more people watching TV in New York Saturday morning at 2 o'clock than there was in Des Moines on Tuesday night at 8 o'clock.

Speaker 4 All right, Jim, our next question via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Jacob Pica.

Speaker 4 Why Haku wasn't pushed to main event status or upper

Speaker 4 or event upper mid-card? Let me put this in English. Jim, why was Haku never pushed as a main eventer or even upper mid-card?

Speaker 26 Well, I mean,

Speaker 26 again,

Speaker 26 he was in the territory days in some of the spots he had as an upper level heel.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 Haku himself, go ahead.

Speaker 4 I mean, Montreal, he was pushed. As King Tonga, he was kind of big in Montreal at the end of Montreal.

Speaker 4 But then he was in the WWF from 86 on.

Speaker 26 Also, didn't it? Was it? Well, now maybe am I thinking of the wrong Samoan

Speaker 26 island fellow? Didn't he have a run before he became Haku in Florida also? And, or

Speaker 26 I don't know.

Speaker 26 But the point I was going to make is, you know, he was a better top guy for a heel group with a manager in a territory type of spot than a guy that you could push as a main event star on his own because there was a drawback because of the promos.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 yes, he is a bad son of a gun,

Speaker 26 but

Speaker 26 if you didn't put him with a really top manager that had heat and credibility and then give him a real concerted push as a guy who didn't do a lot of talking, but just killed people.

Speaker 26 And they just,

Speaker 26 he wasn't that upper echelon and he worked great,

Speaker 26 you know, in a tag team situation, but he wasn't that upper echelon singles guy that really connected on his own.

Speaker 26 Saying that as diplomatically as I can because he could still kill me, but we like each other.

Speaker 4 All right. Well,

Speaker 4 there's a very diplomatic answer to the haku question.

Speaker 4 Jim, we have another question here. This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Benjamin Erie,

Speaker 4 E-Y-R-I-E-Y.

Speaker 26 Now, wait, what is this a name? Is this a town? Is this a spelling bee? What are you saying here?

Speaker 4 Benjamin sent in a question.

Speaker 4 Jim, who was the best wrestler you had in OVW that either dropped out or never made it in the business?

Speaker 26 There's some competition there.

Speaker 26 And then again, it depends on never made it. It depends on the level of never made it.
Never made it to TV at all or never, you know, made what the way they should have made it.

Speaker 26 I always mentioned Johnny Jeter. I just thought he was tremendous.
And

Speaker 26 ex, a good-looking kid. And the girls liked him in great shape and

Speaker 26 great attitude. And his work was tremendous in just a few years.
And

Speaker 26 they ran him completely off and back home to San Diego.

Speaker 26 You know, the bashams for the potential they had and the talent they had versus what they had to put up with when they got there and they got buried from the start.

Speaker 26 We've talked about Mark Magnus, Muhammad Hassan.

Speaker 4 He made it, but you know, yeah, see, that's the question. What is made?

Speaker 4 I mean, technically, to some, to the person who never gets to the big show, the show, I guess we should say, because there is a big show, the Bashams made it.

Speaker 4 It may not have been the way it could have been the way it was, but just being there made it. Is there anyone who didn't even get there?

Speaker 26 You know, when I'm going to be again, probably

Speaker 26 chastened or, you know, shamed because I've missed the obvious name.

Speaker 26 And we had a lot of great potential prospects.

Speaker 26 I'm trying to think of somebody that never actually made it to WWEF television because even though it's.

Speaker 26 Most of them made it and they ruined them there. Seth Skyfire

Speaker 26 and a kid named Matt Johnson. They were painfully thin and small, but they had fire and enthusiasm to them.
They were a good tag team, but they never looked at them at all.

Speaker 26 They were about 190 pounds apiece, maybe or whatever. And that was just ridiculous in that day and age.

Speaker 26 Most of our guys made

Speaker 26 some type of television so that they could be basically visually slandered on a fucking national basis and then run off.

Speaker 4 All right. On that upbeat note, let's go to our next question here, Jim.
This was sent via the Cult Accordinet Facebook group by Todd

Speaker 4 in

Speaker 4 Larwill, Indiana.

Speaker 26 Oh, Todd? No, Todd. What does Todd want?

Speaker 4 In the territory days, what did someone actually get when purchasing a territory? Were there any physical assets, or were you just getting the rights to promote the towns?

Speaker 4 Also,

Speaker 4 does being, and this is a quote, figured in

Speaker 4 have anything to do with the ownership of a territory? Thank you for all you do.

Speaker 26 Well, yes, it can. Second question first, being figured in into anything, that can be applied to anything.
Hey, we're going out to eat tonight to the Brazilian steak place after the show.

Speaker 26 Figure me in. It means I'm coming.

Speaker 26 But in the term or in the usage that you described it, yes, if you're figured in

Speaker 26 in a territory, if you're figured into the office, that means

Speaker 26 you either own part of it or you have an office job where you have some type of power, pull, and control.

Speaker 26 If you're figured into a territory as a wrestler, that means you're figured in, you're in a top position.

Speaker 26 Other people are going to come and go, but you're going to stay there and they're going to do something with you regardless because you're figured in.

Speaker 26 But now, the first part of the question was: if you buy a territory, what do you get?

Speaker 26 A little of column A and column B.

Speaker 26 Yes, you get wrestling rings, which you can have built, but you get them.

Speaker 26 Or, you know, office supplies or furniture or whatever.

Speaker 26 But it's not just the rights to promote in that territory. The existing

Speaker 26 promoter run in existing territory has contracts with the buildings. They've got dates set out months in advance and regular

Speaker 26 dealings with them. So you get

Speaker 26 all the buildings in the territory are still working with championship wrestling from Florida, but now the owner is Jim instead of Brian.

Speaker 26 Same thing with the TV stations. You got contracts with championship wrestling from Oshkosh.

Speaker 26 Well, it's just got a new owner.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 hopefully, if you've spent money for that territory, the other owner is in good standing with the buildings and the TV stations and the state athletic commission, if there is one in the state where they run.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 they're not mad at, you know, those people are not mad at the old promoter. So he can kind of get you in to here's who you talk to.

Speaker 26 So, and then

Speaker 26 when a territory is sold, think about this, Brian. And in all the times in history when somebody has bought a territory from somebody else, all the wrestlers don't just pack up and fucking leave.

Speaker 26 Sometimes the booker stays for a while, but you've got to keep running.

Speaker 26 So you're buying the existing infrastructure that's in place and the current talent roster that, you know, has been booked by my booker.

Speaker 26 And if you want to replace the booker, then he'll probably replace the talent, but nobody's just, it's not just going to be. 20 new guys next week.

Speaker 26 So you buy all that, you, you just take over the thing is what you're buying, the thing that's running.

Speaker 26 You're buying it and you get to keep running it hopefully as well as it's been running or otherwise you wouldn't want to buy it if it was in the shits. Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 It does. And again, not a lot of physical assets.

Speaker 4 And certainly over the years, there were many people from the Welch Fuller family or even Al Karasik in Hawaii who tried to sell territories just knowing they would be able to buy it back cheaper than they sold it for.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 that's part of it, too.

Speaker 4 All right, Jim, let's get another question here. This one

Speaker 4 was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Matt Winans.

Speaker 4 Is there a certain characteristic that makes a wrestler a good tag team wrestler?

Speaker 4 People like Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, and Ricky Morton had good single success, but is there a certain trait or ability that makes them such outstanding tag team wrestlers?

Speaker 26 You know,

Speaker 26 there are guys who are better tag team wrestlers than singles. Some of it has to do with,

Speaker 26 well, you're not like a,

Speaker 26 you know, an outstanding singles personality on your own, but you blend well with somebody else's team. That's from a personality, from a gimmick or standpoint or whatever.

Speaker 26 But some guys just understand tag team wrestling better than others. They just get it better.
But there's no real

Speaker 26 one characteristic you can point to otherwise than that guy gets it better. It's like,

Speaker 26 how can you point to a better singer or a better painter? Well, that guy just, he sees what he wants to do and he replicates it in his, from his mind to his

Speaker 26 talent.

Speaker 26 And a lot of guys just, you know, get the tag team thing better and

Speaker 26 they flow with it.

Speaker 26 You know, you can't want to be

Speaker 26 the big dog on a tag team. You have to share the spotlight.

Speaker 26 So you can't be too much of an egotist unless your partner is too, and you're being egotistical together.

Speaker 26 But a lot of guys,

Speaker 26 as you mentioned, Bobby Eaton,

Speaker 26 you know, he was a great worker, but... he wasn't a main event singles guy on his own, even with a manager to talk.

Speaker 26 But as part of a team with someone,

Speaker 26 you know, close to as good as he was, nobody was as good, and

Speaker 26 close the same size and can meld together with the teamwork,

Speaker 26 then they, you know, you wouldn't necessarily buy Bobby Eaton against Animal in a single match, but you bought the Midnight Express against the Road Warriors because we were sneaky and tricky.

Speaker 26 So it just sometimes it works out that way, the guys are better in teams.

Speaker 4 What would have happened to you? What would your career be like today

Speaker 4 if when Watts in 83 came and started picking talent? If he said, I want that guy to manage Dennis Condry and Carl Ferge.

Speaker 26 No, Jesus.

Speaker 26 Hopefully.

Speaker 26 And I love Carl Ferge, cousin Carl, but I think he would agree he probably wasn't. going to be a main event wrestler.
I think hopefully me and Dennis would have emerged unscathed somewhere else.

Speaker 4 Are there guys that are good at calling tag team matches, but for whatever reason, they can't get it down for a singles match?

Speaker 26 Probably just because the guys that were really good at calling tag team matches, that was their primary experience, and they had less of it in a featured singles position.

Speaker 26 So it may be true, but I don't know which comes first, the chicken or the egg. Because we talked about the other day, just real quick, a guy that had the opposite problem in that he'd been in a tag.

Speaker 26 Well, that problem, not opposite, but same thing. He'd been in a tag team, Hernandez and Homicide,

Speaker 26 all of his

Speaker 26 major league career, and then they just threw him out in singles matches. And he didn't know how to put it together because it was a different thing.

Speaker 4 Jim, a few more questions, we'll get the hell out of here. This one was sent to corny drivethrough at gmail.com from Stephen Kelly.

Speaker 4 What's the history of referees ejecting the manager from ringside and wrestling?

Speaker 4 I don't remember seeing it much in the 80s and 90s matches because the manager was often integral to the finish.

Speaker 4 Was Jim ejected often and sent to the back?

Speaker 4 Does it take heat off the manager to eject them from the match? Thank you.

Speaker 26 Okay, it didn't happen a lot in the old days, and it happens quite often in the new days. And the reason is because,

Speaker 26 same as with everything else, it gets a pop, and the kids doing it don't really know how it started to begin with.

Speaker 26 If a manager in the old days interfered in any way,

Speaker 26 if the referee even caught him in the ring while the match was going on without him touching anyone, just turn around, there guys in the ring, disqualification.

Speaker 26 Or if the manager was caught handing a gimmick, or if the manager was caught interfering, or whatever the case.

Speaker 26 But every once in a while,

Speaker 26 it's one of those creative spots that if you did it very sparingly, it gets a pop and it leads into something.

Speaker 26 You do a spot where the referee had reason to believe that the fucking manager had done something, but goddamn, he didn't see it.

Speaker 26 But people are screaming, he did, and the fucking manager is denying it. And he's asking the people, the referee, and he's, and finally, you know, you know, you're out of here like a baseball game.

Speaker 26 And right at that point, while the people are up, maybe something happens behind the referee's back while he's trying to do something to make things even for the babyface.

Speaker 26 And it's a fuck finish, or maybe that's the reason that the heel has an out when the babyface slips up behind him then and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 26 But it just, but now

Speaker 26 you see it all the time

Speaker 26 where the referee will

Speaker 26 catch somebody interfering, and that's the reason that he kicks them out. Well, no, that's the reason you disqualify him.

Speaker 26 But it

Speaker 26 so again,

Speaker 26 something sparing that made some kind of sense, that got a pop, that led to something in the finish, has now become something that the people cheer for

Speaker 26 and they don't know how to set it up.

Speaker 26 Does that answer the question?

Speaker 4 Jim, our next question via the Culticorna Facebook group was sent in by Don Stanley How Brooks III.

Speaker 26 Oh, for Christ's sake.

Speaker 4 Our hometown wrestling hero was Ranger Ross.

Speaker 4 Could he have had a successful career if he had not had his issues?

Speaker 26 Oh, good golly.

Speaker 26 First of all, Ranger Ross, I still hear

Speaker 26 Heard was fixated on, well, they dropped him into into Guatemala. Where was it? Where did they drop him into? He was a paratrooper.

Speaker 4 Was it Nicaragua? I don't know.

Speaker 26 Nicaragua. Was it Nicaragua?

Speaker 26 No,

Speaker 26 it was somewhere else. See if you can Google where Ranger Ross was dropped into

Speaker 26 out of a helicopter.

Speaker 26 But

Speaker 26 I thought Ranger Ross was a talented upper middle card babyface kind of guy.

Speaker 26 He didn't have an impressive physique, but he was a good athlete in good shape. He was a nice looking guy.
He

Speaker 26 wasn't abnormally large, but he seemed to take to the in-ring, you know, more than just your average schlub. And

Speaker 26 what was that in 1989 during that period of time? Yeah.

Speaker 26 WCW was looking for new talent. He was from

Speaker 26 If he wasn't from Georgia, he's from Florida, but I think he was from Georgia.

Speaker 4 Ackworth, Georgia.

Speaker 26 There you go, right outside Atlanta.

Speaker 26 And,

Speaker 26 you know, and

Speaker 26 they worked at, you know, in their early training program before it even became a power plant. But,

Speaker 26 you know, he wasn't going to be a main event guy, even in WCW at that time, much less like for Crockett a few years earlier. He just, I don't think he was ever going to get that good, but he was.

Speaker 26 A good performer, had a service record.

Speaker 26 And to use him

Speaker 26 where they did mostly, which was middle of the card. I didn't think it was, he wasn't that out of place.
But issues are not, as, and

Speaker 26 I can't remember what all the goddamn issues were. Was he the one that robbed the bank?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was the motorcycle bandit.

Speaker 26 Yes.

Speaker 4 Those were the issues.

Speaker 26 But even without that, he wasn't, we didn't lose a pay-per-view main eventer, but he was a nice fellow that I, you know, when I interacted with him.

Speaker 26 And then later later on, he became the motorcycle bandit.

Speaker 4 I liked him as a kid because that's when I first started watching the NWA. And he kind of looked like Stalker from G.I.
Joe. And he did the combat kick.

Speaker 4 And the combat kick was, it looked cool, but also was just a cool name, the combat kick. And it seemed like he was getting a little push.

Speaker 4 Like for a minute, they did something with him, the iron chic.

Speaker 4 And then before you know it, he was like teaming up with Randy Rose and just like nothing. He never won anything ever again.

Speaker 26 But I liked him. Yeah, well, I think that was either a late George Scott or an early booking committee push.
And,

Speaker 26 you know, Flair didn't dislike him, but at the same time, I think by the time Flair was booking, he just, it was a middle card thing. He was dealing with the ding-dongs and

Speaker 26 he had worked with Norman the lunatic. It wasn't like you could say, my God, we need to put Ranger Ross into Horseman.

Speaker 1 This isn't just a game.

Speaker 2 It's a once-in-a-generation event.

Speaker 25 A sport where every play is a highlight. League One volleyball returns January 7, 2026 with teams in Atlanta, Austin, Houston, Madison, Nebraska, and Salt Lake.

Speaker 25 To buy tickets, visit lobb.com slash iHeart.

Speaker 4 Jim, our next question sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by David Melendez.

Speaker 4 I've heard Brian mention a few times the idea of starting an all-women's promotion to see how it would do.

Speaker 4 If you were to start an all-women's promotion

Speaker 4 and could have access to the talents in both WWE and AEW,

Speaker 4 who would be your top babyface and who would be your top heel?

Speaker 4 Also,

Speaker 4 who would be your world champion? And tag team champions?

Speaker 4 And would promoting an all-women comprise now? And would promoting an all-women's wrestling company be any different than promoting regular wrestling?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 You know, we did the AEW women's roster. Hold on.
Can I reach?

Speaker 4 Hey.

Speaker 26 I got my notes. We haven't done the WWE yet and we hadn't forgot about it, folks.
We're going to get back to these things.

Speaker 26 But out of the AEW women's roster, I'm going to mention names that I believe should be in main events. Tony Storm.

Speaker 26 Well, Camille ain't there anymore.

Speaker 26 Maria May ain't there anymore.

Speaker 4 Well, technically, Camille is there. She's under contract still, isn't she?

Speaker 26 Well, but we don't get to see her. So, you know.

Speaker 4 That's AEW.

Speaker 26 And point is, yeah.

Speaker 26 So.

Speaker 26 You know, Rhea Ripley is going to be the champion. I mean, this is not like it's a goddamn surprise.
The whole thing is going to be built around Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 4 As a baby face. Rhea Ripley.

Speaker 26 As whatever the fuck she wants to be, because she's a goddamn movie star.

Speaker 26 And I'd have to look at the WWE roster, but I mean, there's a few there

Speaker 26 we're going to keep hanging around. But

Speaker 26 I can't go deep enough into tag teams and...

Speaker 26 intercontinental champions and my entire plans. Yes, it would be very different.
You would have to,

Speaker 26 I mean, it's still doing a television television show and promoting a live event, but you would,

Speaker 26 I would think, construct it differently.

Speaker 26 And also,

Speaker 26 you know, again,

Speaker 26 I wouldn't be doing it to begin with. So we're in the land of supposition all the way up to our elbows to begin with.

Speaker 4 If Rhea was your top baby face for your top heel, do you need someone big?

Speaker 4 You know, because Rhea is one of the bigger women there, like a Raquel or can you have like a sneaky Liv Morgan kind of heel as the top heel?

Speaker 26 I think it depends on the individual, but I'm not saying that they all need to be, she doesn't need to be going for the fucking female equivalent of giant Gonzalez.

Speaker 26 Liv Morgan has been a personality.

Speaker 26 I don't maybe Liv Morgan is part of my heel tag team champions,

Speaker 26 because there then size is not

Speaker 26 as big of a commodity when you're as part of a team. Maybe Bianca

Speaker 26 is the is a heel. Let's because

Speaker 26 that skipping and hair twirling gets heat with me.

Speaker 26 But she and Rhea could handle the in-ring aspect of that. So

Speaker 26 there's people there, but there ain't a lot of them.

Speaker 4 Jim, our next question from the Culta Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Blair Reganwetter.

Speaker 26 Oh, now, come on now.

Speaker 4 There's been a few times where Jim has criticized a wrestler for having happy feet.

Speaker 4 Is there a particular match you could point to that best represents this?

Speaker 26 Oh, God.

Speaker 26 I mean, you mostly see it in

Speaker 26 tryout matches or seminars or, you know, matches that are taped for training purposes or sometimes dark matches.

Speaker 26 I can't point one out from Raw or SmackDown recently,

Speaker 26 except maybe there may have been,

Speaker 26 you know, one of the celebrities they've had the past few years on one of the big companies may have had a little happy feet. But what happy feet are is

Speaker 26 when

Speaker 26 you have a guy and you shoot him off

Speaker 26 and he takes too many steps across the rig or to come back,

Speaker 26 or you're doing some kind of spot, and instead of just

Speaker 26 a line of motion straight ahead with even strides, the guy's side to side and all over the place, looking like he's doing some kind of football drill. Those are happy feet.

Speaker 26 And you can even, if you're in a headlock and the guy's Craig, but the guy's got his stance perfect, but your feet are moving around instead of putting yourself in the right place, you got happy feet.

Speaker 26 I think

Speaker 26 Tom Pritchard, I think, is one person. He uses the phrase all all the time, but also

Speaker 26 I believe he's one of the people that would point out, and I've had it pointed out by a few other people,

Speaker 26 if a guy's hitting the ropes, if you're just doing a crisscross, right?

Speaker 26 If a guy knows how to hit the ropes

Speaker 26 and with a WWE size ring,

Speaker 26 not only is it three steps and turn,

Speaker 26 but you will not see the guy's head bob up and down.

Speaker 26 If a guy knows what he's doing hitting the ropes, his head is level all the way across, all the way back, all the way across, all the way back, three steps and turn, three steps and turn, three steps and turn.

Speaker 26 It's a rhythm.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 happy feet is just guys that are green and uncomfortable and

Speaker 26 are just nervous. And their feet get in the way of you trying to do your shit too.

Speaker 4 All right, Jim, our final question here today. This was sent via the Cult of the Cornet Facebook group by Sarah Petricelli.

Speaker 4 How does one become a wrestling historian?

Speaker 26 Well, that was a short question.

Speaker 26 Study and learn.

Speaker 26 Right?

Speaker 26 You got to study and then you'll learn.

Speaker 4 Well, no, I don't think Dave's saying that's about being historian. That's about knowing now.
You have to study and learn to know now.

Speaker 26 Well, no, you just have to study and learn to figure out what he's talking about. But no, how do you become a historian?

Speaker 26 Seek out the history, study it, flesh it out, put things together.

Speaker 26 You know, like we just, as an example, we had the letter from Eddie Gilbert earlier when he had the decision to go to Atlanta or the WWF.

Speaker 26 Well, that's a little anecdote, amusing antidote, as they say, of history. Maybe somebody will jot that down and it'll be incorporated.
But

Speaker 26 how do you be a historian of anything? You get familiar with the subject. You start to want to learn more about the people involved or the things that happened and then

Speaker 26 read the books and start, you know, looking for old programs or going into the newspapers or

Speaker 26 whatever the fuck you need to do. I mean, is there a...

Speaker 26 Is there a course in

Speaker 26 historianing

Speaker 26 where you can learn how to be a historian, or do you just have to kind of pick up and run with it?

Speaker 4 You got to know your stuff about something.

Speaker 4 You got to have some sort of knowledge about something, whether it's institutional knowledge or just learned knowledge or a combination.

Speaker 4 You have to be able to talk chapter and verse about a subject and be able to just stop and think about it and get other thoughts about it. And you get that by studying past history stuff.

Speaker 4 Wrestling is a little tough. I mean, now there's, if there's not a thousand different wrestling books right now, it has to be close to it.

Speaker 26 Oh, that does more than that. And see, that's the thing is the last 20, even 20 years ago, before all the newspapers.com, you had to actually go to the fucking library, even less than 20 years ago.

Speaker 26 I went to the library with John Cosper,

Speaker 26 but you had to go to a library in a town

Speaker 26 and research that shit, or you had to find old phone books or whatever.

Speaker 26 So there were no,

Speaker 26 you know, even the books and notes and things that I had were by no means complete. You had to commit a lot of that to memory and no dates or no

Speaker 26 where people went or what they did. And because wrestling was everywhere for so long with so many people involved, there was always surprises.

Speaker 26 And you're always like, oh, shit, I never knew that happened.

Speaker 26 Now with the comprehensive

Speaker 26 online shit you can do, it's easier than ever to figure out like the letters we've read from people doing research on the first TV broadcast.

Speaker 26 It's easier than ever to do the research on what happened,

Speaker 26 but you still got to have the knowledge of the people involved, the wrestling business in general, to put the pieces together as far as why it happened or what caused it.

Speaker 26 And that's where you need to know the subject.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you have to also be able to, you know, if you're researching things and you bump into things, you have to be able to recognize what something is and what it could be.

Speaker 4 Sometimes you look at old programs. It's one of the reasons I love old programs.

Speaker 4 You'll see what seems like a innocent line in there. But if you kind of know who they're alluding to without saying the person's name, you realize, oh, they're taking a shot at the opposition.

Speaker 4 Or this is right after this happened.

Speaker 4 So, you know, just one thing builds upon another. And luckily with wrestling, there have been a lot of really great historians who have gotten a lot of stuff out there.

Speaker 4 And there's a lot of research that still isn't out there.

Speaker 4 But if you're interested in the research,

Speaker 4 you should.

Speaker 26 There's convention. The conventional wisdom would be that the fabulous Fargoes, when they hit Tennessee in 1957, became the

Speaker 26 blazing hot tag team at every market. They worked like six weeks in Memphis, and Jackie and Don weren't the team in Memphis that was the Fargoes for like three years.

Speaker 26 Because they were taken to the other end of the territory because Memphis had just been taken over by Gulis and Welch, and Birmingham was a bigger, more successful town.

Speaker 26 And then Don

Speaker 26 went wherever Don went, Jackie and Joe Fargo,

Speaker 26 Joe, the forgotten Fargo brother, I think it was Louis Tillette with bleached blonde hair.

Speaker 26 They made Memphis

Speaker 26 before Jackie, and then Jackie and Sonny before he was Roughhouse. And then they brought Don in a few years later.
And you would never think

Speaker 26 that that had happened that way, but it was, if you uncover the lineage, it was odd.

Speaker 26 So, Memphis was the last town in the Tennessee territory that the Fargo brothers appeared regularly and got over in. Jackie was already a babyface.

Speaker 26 And that's it. That's interesting to seven people.

Speaker 4 My favorite heel nickname for a babyface is calling Roughhouse Fargo Nuthouse Fargo.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 26 And that was the deal. They'd say Jackie Fargo springs that no-good brother of his out of that mental institution down there in North Carolina.

Speaker 26 And Jackie would say he doesn't live in that place. He just sweeps up there.

Speaker 4 AKA, he's just a referee there.

Speaker 26 Yes, a.k.a. He's working for Jim Crockett.
But

Speaker 26 every summer,

Speaker 26 Roughhouse would take about three weeks off for between 67 and probably 73 or 4.

Speaker 26 He would take four, five, six weeks maybe off in the summertime and come to Tennessee and they'd draw sellouts.

Speaker 26 And then he'd go back and be a fucking referee in the first match for $50 or whatever.

Speaker 4 This may be a silly question, but obviously there's not a lot of studio footage that I've seen from that era, if there's any that survives. Was Roughhouse on TV often when he was there?

Speaker 4 Or was it you had to come to the arena to see him?

Speaker 26 Earlier on, by the last time that he would have been on TV would have been the 73 and 74 runs, where he was in and out more often because they were doing huge business.

Speaker 26 Because it was Lawler and Jim White as a team against Jackie and Roughhouse were the ones that set the Coliseum attendance record in 72 and then beat it by 10 people the following week.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 at that point, they were bringing Roughhouse in more. They even won the Southern Tag Team title for a while.

Speaker 26 So he would every once in a while do a studio thing and just do his crazy shit, but in a smaller area for a a shorter period of time.

Speaker 4 Well, there it is. And that's our final question here today.
But let's get a song or two before we get out of here. They're popular with the listeners.
Jim, you ready for a song or two?

Speaker 26 I'm ready. Play that funky music.

Speaker 4 This first one was sent in

Speaker 4 by Luke Land.

Speaker 4 And this is a song based on something you recently talked about. Let's go to this.

Speaker 26 And one of these son of a bitches has ridden in on my shirt or whatever the fuck and let out it sounded like a smoke detector.

Speaker 4 God damn it.

Speaker 4 I jumped up off the fucking couch and turned around almost because I had to piss anyway because I'd taken my morning pill and almost pissed myself and I turned around and there's this I'm a cicada.

Speaker 4 A cat silver beta. When you went outside, who knew you'd see me later?

Speaker 23 I'm on your couch now. I'm making loud sounds.

Speaker 26 Bring me some girl bugs. I'll take them to pound town.

Speaker 4 But then I see a sight that feels me for dread. Handful of teachers.
Fuck. Now I'm dead.

Speaker 4 All right. Well, there's a...

Speaker 4 Oh, that's great. Ending with deaths.

Speaker 26 That is the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 26 Well, thank you. Fucking cicadas.

Speaker 4 A brand new person. I don't think he has submitted a song in the past.

Speaker 26 He was just born last week.

Speaker 4 He's brand new. Thank you, Luke Land.
Send in more as you have it, but let's get one more that was relatively short. Very good, though.

Speaker 4 This one was sent in.

Speaker 4 Now we've had songs from him in the past. Stefan in Auburn, Maine.

Speaker 4 I think we played this one.

Speaker 4 I don't know about this one. Let's give this a shot.

Speaker 4 Let's go, say the chick fold, fall on force. That's real and and please.
I'll see this. Fast dog within

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 Oh.

Speaker 4 Let's go. Ripples off in.
While I offend all the one, two, three. It's windfall, fall to rain here and me.

Speaker 4 Let me stop it for a moment. I'm enjoying it, but I haven't understood a word he has said.

Speaker 26 I haven't, no, I haven't got a word yet, but it's a very interesting tonal quality.

Speaker 26 She's deep, and her powerful.

Speaker 26 It goes into a chapter.

Speaker 26 Matches away. Hey, is it an issue with the need of tissue? I suck it for my eyes, you'll see.

Speaker 26 Cause it's all the goo I blue in my genes.

Speaker 4 Wait, wait, again, stop it. Have you gotten any? I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 26 I think we need to call some type of ambulance. He may be having having a stroke.

Speaker 26 She's deep and how was a boy.

Speaker 4 Just keep closing

Speaker 4 weight. Is it an issue?

Speaker 4 Cause it's not used all my as you'll see. It's for the blue I blue in my cheeks.

Speaker 26 All right. And there's another one.
What was the name of that song?

Speaker 4 The name of that song is Tiptoe to the Tissues.

Speaker 26 I thought I heard the tissues.

Speaker 4 I heard. That's the one word I did hear, actually.
I'll give him credit. I did hear that one word.
All right. Well, we can't end on that.
But thank you once again, Stefan. You never let us down.

Speaker 4 Finally, let's go to this.

Speaker 26 We never expect anything.

Speaker 4 This one was sent in. to corney drivethrough gmail.com by Seth Rock.

Speaker 4 I've sent this two other times since December. I hope this one makes it.
Long time fan, musician.

Speaker 4 Apparently, this is based on my song. Let's go to this.

Speaker 4 Hello again, friends.

Speaker 4 And you are our friends.

Speaker 4 Pull on up, it's shim coin that's drive through. Pull on up, take a seat and relax.
Pull on up, it's Jim Cornette's drive-through. Your feelings don't mean shit tell the facts.

Speaker 4 Pull on up, it's Jim Cornette, drive-through. Pull on up, take a seat and relax.

Speaker 4 Pull on up, it's shim Cornette Strive-through with your host, the great Brian Last.

Speaker 4 Hello, friends, and you are our friends. Except for all the cosplay wrestling fans that like to pretend.

Speaker 4 Cause to see somebody's children as an intimidating figure, like Mama Cornette would say you like three sheets to the wind. Now we ain't cheating the wind, now we ain't into the phony.

Speaker 4 I said we call it like we see it, never winning the pony. Now sometimes the truth it'd be pissing people off.
That's better than pissing the bottles like some freaking chipron.

Speaker 4 Shout out to Brian Last Yappoast to you for showing the rest how a real co-host should do.

Speaker 4 Hawaii Brian, the podcasting lion, Mr.

Speaker 26 Co-host to you.

Speaker 4 Oh, um, I'm sorry, Jim, uh, Mr. Cornette, that we ain't getting the type of wrestling that we wishing for yet.
I'm sick of triple threat matches, that's just lazy booking.

Speaker 4 Give me a triple burger, you want amazing cooking. Pull on up, it's shim Cornette Strive through.
Pull on up, take a scene, relax.

Speaker 4 Pull on up, it's shim Cornette Strive through.

Speaker 4 Your feelings don't be shit to the facts. Pull on up, it's shim Cornette, drive through.
Pull on up, and grab a spricy roll. Pull on up, it's shim Cornette Stratro.

Speaker 4 Man, you make more money by staying home than me row.

Speaker 4 Well, there it is. Seth Rock has sent that in.
Very good job. Very nice.

Speaker 26 Mary guy, I give you a round of applause, Seth Franklin Rockins.

Speaker 4 Well, there it is. And with that,

Speaker 4 there it is. With that, the drive-thru is closed.

Speaker 4 Bling.

Speaker 4 Very dramatic. We'll be back in a few days on the Jim Cornette experience.
I know we promised it today, but we had a bunch of stuff. Cast media update on the experience.

Speaker 4 We're going to look at their monthly operating report and talk about the numbers in there

Speaker 4 and much, much more of the Jim Cornette experience. And next week back here on the drive-thru, go through the archive, patreon.com slash cornet.

Speaker 4 $5 a month, get you access to the early days of the show, going back to 2013, patreon.com slash cornet. Of course, the official Jim Cornette YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 Just go there and search for Jim Cornette, full episodes, clips of the episodes, omnibus collections, Travis Eckho artwork, George, our great guest artist, his artwork too. Check it out today.

Speaker 4 And of course, you can check on any video for official drive-through t-shirts. Just go to YouTube or go to arcadianvanguard.com or look for us in the shop app, wherever you find your favorite apps.

Speaker 4 Get your favorite t-shirts. I'm saying something.
The gym at Cornettes Collectibles at JimCornet.com.

Speaker 26 Save me.

Speaker 26 The gym at Cornette. Well, Cornettes Collectibles is back at action again.

Speaker 26 As I mentioned last week, Hoxcus Featherbottom appreciates and his whole family appreciated the condolences and the well wishes from everybody. He's back in action.

Speaker 26 Everything ordered through June 20th, I believe was the date, has been signed and handed off to him. And by the time you hear this, we'll be

Speaker 26 in the mail to the customers. Order with impunity now.
We're back at action at jimcornet.com.

Speaker 4 That's right, at jimcornet.com. The drive-through is brought to you by the law officer Steven P.
New, 87750 Steve. Get even with Stephen.
More about him on the experience this week. Newlawoffice.com.

Speaker 4 And that's it. Catch up with the wrestling news each and every day from the wrestling news.

Speaker 4 But otherwise, until the experience in a few days and next week, back here on the drive-thru for Jim Cornette, I'm the great Brian Last. Tally-ho!

Speaker 25 Love Madison Volleyball is back bringing the tough and gritty play Wisconsin is known for, featuring world-class athletes including Wisconsin favorite Lauren Carlini.

Speaker 25 Get ready for fast digs, huge swings, and long rallies. This is volleyball built for Wisconsin fans, and this season there are even more home matches to get behind.
Tickets available now.

Speaker 25 Visit LOVBMAD.com slash iHeart. Love Madison's new season begins January 2026.

Speaker 27 Discover Uncruise Adventures all-inclusive small ship journeys, hosting just 22 to 86 guests and exploring Alaska, Baja, Costa Rica, Hawaii, and Galapagos.

Speaker 27 Experience epic wildlife encounters, remote shores, farm-to-table dining, and authentic connections with nature.

Speaker 28 Adventure without the crowds. Unrushed, unplugged, unbelievable Uncruise.

Speaker 27 Visit uncruise.com or call 1-888-862-8881.