Episode 394: Jim Reviews AEW Double Or Nothing
This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Double Or Nothing and WWE's Saturday Night's Main Event! Plus Jim talks about Dave Meltzer's battle with AI, WWE running against AEW, Ric Flair's new liquor products and much more!
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Speaker 2 Hello again, friends!
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Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru, filled filled with reviews and who knows what else here today. I'm your host, the great Brian Last.
And here he is. We almost made it.
Speaker 2 The leader of the Cult of Cornet,
Speaker 2 Mr. Jim Cornette.
Speaker 58
Yes, here I am. And there you are.
And you are you, and I am we. And we are all together here today for this program, which you've still just blown my mind because you've.
Speaker 58 Right as we are about to go on the air, as they say, right as we are about to record this for posterity or posterior or whatever goddamn receptacle this goes in, you say, okay, countdown for Jim.
Speaker 58 I'm like, wait, what? This is your show. Why is it countdown for me?
Speaker 58 And then you realize that you'd had a brain fart over there.
Speaker 58 And then you, and it's, it's.
Speaker 2 It's wishful thinking, actually.
Speaker 58 Yes, exactly. But you know what? Wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first, as Mama Cornette used to say.
Speaker 2 Did she really say that?
Speaker 58 Yes,
Speaker 58 she would say poop.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 the meaning was the same.
Speaker 2 Why don't you do a book of just all of her sayings with our?
Speaker 58 Because I just think of them when the occasion calls for it, because some occasion comes up in front of me and it instantly triggers that in my mind. But otherwise, I can't remember it.
Speaker 58 I just can't remember all of them just on the sperm of the moment, like recite them like a goddamn
Speaker 58 IBM computer.
Speaker 58 What do you think I am?
Speaker 2 Kind of like a human computer.
Speaker 2 What I was going to say is, what would Mama Cornette make of the recent weather in Louisville?
Speaker 58 Oh,
Speaker 58 she would be all up in arms over this.
Speaker 58 Because as a matter of fact, it's raining today
Speaker 58
since you asked. And it rained a little bit over the weekend.
It's going to rain some more in a couple of days.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 she always watched the severe weather, but she would be remarking constantly about the constant rain. We are like
Speaker 58 almost a foot or 10 inches, whatever heavy, depending on the part of even this area of Kentucky. A little south of us, I think, is two or three inches heavier than we are for the year.
Speaker 58 You're like a foot ahead for the year so far.
Speaker 58 And I'll remind people that
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next week, a year ago, I planted 15 trees in the front yard. It didn't rain a drop for three and a half weeks.
I was out there in that 90-degree weather with that fucking hose every morning.
Speaker 58
And so, yeah, she would be cursing the rain at this point. It's good for the trees and the flowers and the birds and the bees.
And
Speaker 58 I did that backwards, the birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees. And the skies up above, it's made everything just greener than goose shit around here.
Speaker 58 That used to be a phrase in the wrestling business, but now all the people that
Speaker 58 would use it about all these people that are in it are dead.
Speaker 58 So that's one good byproduct we've got going for us, but otherwise, the weather has been somewhat dreary,
Speaker 58 a little dreary.
Speaker 58 So it's your show there, Maestro.
Speaker 2 You set me up with such positivity.
Speaker 2 Let's get in the mood for fun. Wrestling talk and so much more.
Speaker 58 Well, yeah, you know, this program that we're about to do here today,
Speaker 58 we are going to compare and contrast,
Speaker 58 juxtapose, if you will, the
Speaker 58 major offerings of the of the last few days of the two major conglomerates involved in the profession of wrestling, the WWE and AEW, the, the, the Saturday night's main event and the double or nothing.
Speaker 58 It's like a tale of two cities, Brian, which as opposed to breast augmentation surgery, which is a sale of two titties, but we're not comparing those things. We're talking about,
Speaker 58 I dare you, Travis.
Speaker 2 No. I dare you.
Speaker 2
No, Travis, don't. No, have he.
Don't you dare as if it's going to get you in trouble. Why would you do that?
Speaker 58 Have you at the fruit market buying some prize-winning melons?
Speaker 2 It's not fun if you just tell them what to do. People like to try to figure out what the hell he drew.
Speaker 58 Well, I thought I'd make it easy for our the sick and shut-ins that are listening to us here on the program.
Speaker 2 One
Speaker 2 day we need to do something just to show some of the artwork that almost got on. It's like, what?
Speaker 58 Not quite, just almost, but not quite.
Speaker 2 Just a tip.
Speaker 58 But anyway, what I was saying,
Speaker 58 we're going to compare these two, these two things, these two products. One that
Speaker 58 maybe you wanted just to see a little bit more and the other that you were jumping out the window to avoid seeing ever again, kind of that kind of thing. But
Speaker 58 nevertheless, that's what we're going to do here today on the program, right?
Speaker 2 Listen, if you're willing to jump out the window, just sign with AEW. We'll give you something to jump off or jump through if that's really what you want to do.
Speaker 58 I don't know if I trust those catchers, though, because they look a little emaciated.
Speaker 2
Well, at least they they have enough time to get situated. They're there for a while.
They don't get
Speaker 2 planted and they're ready.
Speaker 58 What does it look like to the people not watching the television feed, but just in the arena, when suddenly they see a group of like a dozen guys in black shirts clumped up together, just running from one place to another.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 soon after someone falls on them.
Speaker 2 See, my favorite thing is because they have time and they're standing there, they have to do something.
Speaker 2 So a lot of them, the move is just pick up your arms arms and just move them around while you're mouthing like, no, no, hey, oh, stop, no, oh, and just move your arms like back and forth.
Speaker 58 You know what?
Speaker 58 If one of the enterprising video editors out there in the cult could could send us a compel or put it out on Twitter or whatever of all of the security wave it and to the wave your arms in the air, party, like you just don't care.
Speaker 2 And then someone crashes down, misses all their arms, and lands right on someone's head.
Speaker 2 He landed on his head and then he kicked someone else. Everyone goes down.
Speaker 58 I wish it, you know, they ought to be bowlers, pro bowlers, the divers, because they could knock those pins down.
Speaker 2 And if anyone's interested in trying this out, just join a wrestling school. You'll get called up to the main roster to be a security guard before you know it.
Speaker 2 Barely have to be there.
Speaker 58 How many
Speaker 58 retrospectives are we gonna have in 20 years? If here is my first day in wrestling, it is a fucking miscellaneous catching guy.
Speaker 2 Really, when you think about it, how many people who are stars for either company have we seen footage of them like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, where they were just a security guard?
Speaker 2 Like escorting someone. There's a clip of MJF, like when he first started, Samoa Joe pushes him as a security guard.
Speaker 58 Yes, I yeah, I remember seeing that.
Speaker 58 And obviously, you don't notice at the time because
Speaker 58 not people that you would notice in that role.
Speaker 58 Maybe that's why now all of the fucking,
Speaker 58 all of people backstage, like the building employees and random fans and security guards, they get beat up.
Speaker 58 They all try to launch themselves into the wall like they've been flung by an elephant's trunk and take some preposterous bump because that's the path to stardom.
Speaker 58 And to be fair, I think Rosie O'Donnell did it for MJF.
Speaker 58 That was what catapulted him into the public eye.
Speaker 2 But you bring up the guy jumping into the thing. We've seen that a lot.
Speaker 2 We've seen that with professionals where they're thrown into like a wall and they just jump five feet in front of it right into it.
Speaker 2 We saw it the other day with the Hurt Syndicate. And again, I'm going to guess those were wrestling students or indie wrestlers who haven't done anything.
Speaker 58 If you were wasn't it Lashley barely touched even the guy fucking flew 10 feet into the wall before Bobby had a chance to throw him anywhere.
Speaker 2
Or plus he got called for traveling. The guy was running too.
The guy ran and jumped
Speaker 2 But my point was, if you are a young wrestler, an indie wrestler, a wrestling student, and you get called to do something there, what do you do?
Speaker 2 Like, you don't want to be just, do you want to just be in the background? Is it doing your job just to kind of not be noticed at all? Or do you want to do something to?
Speaker 58 Well, no, it's hard to not notice somebody if they're getting powerbombed through a fucking table, right? No, if you're there as fodder for a a star to
Speaker 58 lay waste to you in some kind of fashion, then you need to take that bump well. To
Speaker 58 the feeling that the people need to get that have watched that is, holy shit, look how hard Lashley powerbombed that guy. Not, oh, look at that guy.
Speaker 58 He was waving his arms in the air, or he had the wacky waving arm inflatable tube man, or he did something to comedically to call attention to himself. He took the bump well and hopefully safely.
Speaker 58 And the attention's on Lashley. So there is, that's a major part to play, but you can,
Speaker 58 you can
Speaker 58 detract
Speaker 58 from the situation if you do the comedy bullshit or go too far with it or try to reenact.
Speaker 58 you know, your favorite bump from the Indies or whatever. It's just, if they want you to get powerbomb through the table, then
Speaker 58 give powerbomb through the fucking table
Speaker 58 and sell it like, you know, you just got powerbomb through a fucking table.
Speaker 2 But if you could do like an extra jump and bounce and flip yourself over the rope on a good day, should you try it there?
Speaker 58 No,
Speaker 58 because then here, one of two things.
Speaker 58 Then you've just taken the attention. It's great to take a good bump for the fucking Cody Cutter or the whatever the fucking finish is these days.
Speaker 58 It's great to take a good bump for it, but when you bounce up and you do the Shawn Michaels and over-the-top rope with a chair around your neck and on the way down, you know,
Speaker 2 you
Speaker 58 fucking hopscotch three times on one foot,
Speaker 58 then you've taken the attention and you're a nobody.
Speaker 58
You've taken the attention away from the bump. It didn't make the bump look good.
It's trying to make you look good.
Speaker 58 And then you've distracted or detracted or whatever the fucking phrase I used a minute ago was.
Speaker 58 So just take a big bump for the fucking stunner or whatever.
Speaker 2 Hey, when you look back on that Shawn Michaels Hulk Hogan match and feud, because that's what you're referring to. I mean, that's the best example of him just going over the top
Speaker 2 to sell Hogan's stuff in such a ridiculous manner.
Speaker 58 Yeah.
Speaker 2 That he's, it's impressive that he's doing it, but it helped nobody.
Speaker 2 And he did a Larry King segment, dressed as Hogan, pretending to be Hogan, really made fun of him. When you look back now, was Michaels the babyface all along?
Speaker 58 Well,
Speaker 58 I didn't say everybody was in universal disagreement, you know, with the
Speaker 58 thought behind the
Speaker 58 actions, but
Speaker 58 no, because it was just, again,
Speaker 58 more childishness on television involving backstage stuff that now is
Speaker 58 usually restricted to the AEW crowd because the childish minds have gravitated in that direction.
Speaker 58 But no, it was unprofessional because of
Speaker 58 the import of the show and the
Speaker 58 overall meaning behind what Michaels was doing was just to
Speaker 58 shit on Hogan, amuse himself. And
Speaker 58 he was so good, he could almost get by with it.
Speaker 58 But that's, that doesn't take away the fucking
Speaker 58 overall intent, right? If this was a courtroom, would there still be some intent that we could convict him of?
Speaker 2 And remember, I believe the story was Michaels, who,
Speaker 2
again, the Bret Hart thing was in the air. I mean, there's always a trust issue with some guys in Sean Michaels.
You could say the same thing about Hogan. There's always trust issues with Hogan.
Speaker 2 Michaels, I want to say the suggestion was he would somehow win the first
Speaker 2
and then something would happen in the second. Either one of them will win and then Hogan will win in the end.
And Hogan returned with, I'll win the first, the second, and the third. Yeah.
Speaker 2 And then they had, you know, the one match.
Speaker 2 Sean Michaels made Hogan look like a fool.
Speaker 58
But see, again, you know, they knew they were going to have two out of three or three or two or whatever. They knew they were going to have the one match.
And the shoe was on the other foot this time.
Speaker 58 I'm not going to do a job for that guy. It was on the other fucking guy's foot that was about to drop the fucking leg.
Speaker 58 And so,
Speaker 58 you know michael's reacted differently when the when the shoe or the boot was on the other ass
Speaker 2 well speaking of the other ass
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Speaker 58 What are you doing, Brian?
Speaker 2 Right now?
Speaker 58 Well, yeah, right now. I mean, what do you got your hands underneath the table or what's going on there?
Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, I got really turned on by that Randy Atcher talk.
Speaker 58
That's what makes me. Hey, come on now.
Hey, Randy, in his day, the singing cowboy had sex appeal back in that era.
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Speaker 2 well this is your show no it's not but it can't be faking that it cannot i can't take on any more responsibility all right well we have already i've got a family damn it we have a lot to get to obviously we have saturday night's main event we have aew double or nothing we have some
Speaker 2 you know, various little things coming out of there, comments from Tony Khan.
Speaker 2 Why don't we start real quick with an off-topic thing, if we can call it that?
Speaker 2 Apparently, Dave Meltzer,
Speaker 2 and I only say apparently because everyone sent this to us.
Speaker 58 Yeah.
Speaker 2
It was on Twitter, yet people start sending it to us on other platforms. On Facebook, here, have you seen this? Yeah, I'm on Twitter.
I saw it.
Speaker 58 They were sharing the various screenshots of the different methods that the kids communicate with each other on, is what they were doing of this exchange that Dave had.
Speaker 2 Apparently, Dave got into a fight with ai that's the headline that everyone's talking about uh twitter or x have their own in-house ai called grok every now and then you may see someone say you know at grok is this true and their internal ai responds to your question which
Speaker 2 you would hope would be right, but I haven't really used Grok, so I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 58 Just on the name alone, I thought it at first when I saw it pop up on my screen, I never did know what it was until this came up up because I thought that was their version of spam. Like, that's Grok.
Speaker 58 We don't want that around here. It just filtered shit out.
Speaker 2 Well, apparently, Jim, someone was talking about Raw's debut on Netflix and the number it pulled.
Speaker 2 And they got into somehow a debate with Dave Meltzer.
Speaker 2 And the person or someone said, Hey, Grock, is this true? And we have part of Grock's answer here. It's clipped.
Speaker 2
The decline in ratings on Netflix in 2025 likely stems from multiple factors. Viewership dropped 35% in the U.S.
with the May 12th episode at 2.7 million global views, down from 4.9 million at debut.
Speaker 2 Dull storylines like weak heel Cena arcs, dot, dot, dot. So the AI is now saying what they think the problem is.
Speaker 58 Right, right.
Speaker 2 To which Dave quote tweeted,
Speaker 2
debut was 5.9 million, not 4.9 million. Also, 5.9 was a legit number.
2.7 million would only be legit if virtually nobody watched live, and we know that's not the case.
Speaker 2 To which the story became, why is he arguing with AI?
Speaker 58 Well, does that mean
Speaker 58 if he writes that, does that mean that then that Grok updates its information with this information? Does he have to believe it? Because
Speaker 58 Dave's a real person, but Grok
Speaker 58 is artificially intelligent.
Speaker 58 Dave is arguing with the goddamn machine that just
Speaker 58 generates comments based on all of the other people who have
Speaker 58 added their two fucking cents worth in or got their shit in on the internet before that. Are they not? Is he not? Is it not? What are they? He, it,
Speaker 58 there.
Speaker 2 Well, again,
Speaker 58 who is that there?
Speaker 2 Well, again, we've seen a lot of Dave fighting with people on Twitter, just retweeting their things to,
Speaker 2 in a very condescending manner, kind of insult people by just hitting them with things, sometimes not even what they're talking about.
Speaker 2 In this case, he did it with Grok.
Speaker 58 Now he's actually arguing with the internet himself, not somebody on the internet.
Speaker 2 But is this kind of like the Russian champion playing the computer in chess?
Speaker 58 Wait a minute, which side's which?
Speaker 2 I don't know.
Speaker 58 I don't.
Speaker 58 because it's Grok you know so it's not like it's you know
Speaker 58 the people at IBM
Speaker 2 Grock didn't know what they ran into until they met Bobby Fisher
Speaker 2 you know again even if Dave is right because I guess what Dave could be arguing 5.9 was a legit number Grock is saying 4.9 was Grock pulling the number from their
Speaker 58 press release or something where would Grock get that number I don't know it does it matter that he is trying to create a machine or create, he is trying, Dave, he, too many pronouns, pal.
Speaker 58 Dave is trying to correct
Speaker 58 a machine-generated
Speaker 58 response rather than a person that can say, oh, all right, I'm sorry, I got the numbers wrong. I thought I read this on fucking happy doodles wrestling report.
Speaker 58 He's trying to change the mind of
Speaker 58 Grock.
Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know if Grock responded. Grock may have taken their beating.
Can Grock respond?
Speaker 58 Well, Grock can respond because he was responding to the question he was at. Do you have to ask it a question? Otherwise, is he
Speaker 58 can be seen but not heard type of child. But if you ask it, it will pipe out with its
Speaker 58 thoughts and opinions, or can it just go back and forth with you? Like, and here's another thing, Jim, Grock said.
Speaker 58 Can he just start adding shit and say, say and really tell you off?
Speaker 2 I think Grok responds and then if you want Grok to reappear, you just say at Grok help or is this true?
Speaker 58 And I assume is there is there a Grok version of a spouse?
Speaker 2 A Grok version of a spouse? What the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 58 That will just respond whenever you ask it something and otherwise leave you the fuck alone.
Speaker 2
I don't know. Actually, I don't know.
Why don't you go to your Twitter machine and ask Grok a question?
Speaker 58 Well, no, i'm thinking how you know like google how to grok a spouse how to grok well i get some kind of agency coming down on you what
Speaker 58 see if if that's in your google history you've lost if they if they find a random spouse groked somewhere
Speaker 2 they may blame you once again ladies and gentlemen code academy slash trace
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not exactly sure where we've gone but dave Meltzer versus the machine. Yes.
We will stay on top of this story and see what develops from here. Obviously, there are other companies with their own AI.
Speaker 2 Maybe Dave will form a close relationship with one of them.
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Speaker 2 Jim, let's move on to the reviews because we gotta.
Speaker 2 WWE Saturday night's main event,
Speaker 2 the first one we've seen in a little while. And they had a big show live on NBC.
Speaker 58 A really big shoe? I thought thought ed sullivan was on cbs now oh this was on nbc
Speaker 58 uh and it's it's the first one we it's been like three months right it hasn't been
Speaker 58 been 40 years now they've they've come back but they were in tampa
Speaker 58 sun was shining the birds were singing the weather was wonderful
Speaker 2 and hogan couldn't be there the son was getting married well yeah
Speaker 58 they're right down the road from hoganville but Hogan didn't make an appearance again. Well, how many children does he have now that he's admitting to? They, you know, multiple weddings could occur.
Speaker 58 It's May,
Speaker 58
but no, they're, they're in Tampa and they're really, they're leaning into the walk-ins. Boy, they love the, everybody walked in.
We had a camera on everybody that walked into the fucking locker room.
Speaker 58 And old Joe Tessatori with the voiceover like he was prefacing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 58 Did you get the feeling that the Goodyear blimp should have been fucking
Speaker 58 crossing back and forth in the sky across the building? It was very grandiose and verbose, etc.
Speaker 58 But they're making it a big event, right?
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 I like the open
Speaker 58 that they do where they do the retro
Speaker 58 VCR 80s footage. Of course, that's a 70s TV that
Speaker 58 they're using there. I mean, there were snazzier TVs in the 80s, but the retro VCR 80s open
Speaker 58 that they do with the
Speaker 58 old stars, and they go into the modern footage. The modern footage looks better, but the 80s had more stars, I think.
Speaker 58 But in the modern footage, to be honest, there's a nice shot. of a guy wearing a cornet face t-shirt, which now that I've said that, it probably won't make the fucking cut the next time around.
Speaker 2 Oh, I didn't see that in the open of the show in the VHS.
Speaker 58 Yeah, they go to the modern footage, goes to a crowd shot, and boom, and there is the fellow exhilarating himself
Speaker 58
with his arms up in the air, not down anywhere down. His arms were up in the air where everybody could see his hands.
But he was exhilarating himself.
Speaker 2 Hey, real quick on that topic, thank you to everyone who's a member of the Cult of Cornet who has gone to these events over the last few days, including Saturday night's main event, and sent in pictures of themselves at the event in a Jim Cornette shirt.
Speaker 2 We've had a few of them on the Call to Cornette Facebook group, but it's very cool to see.
Speaker 58 Yes, and I've been wondering where all my shirts went.
Speaker 58 Several people are on Facebook wearing my shirts, and I want them back.
Speaker 58 I'm getting cold here. It's fucking
Speaker 58 chilly.
Speaker 58
Dropped them off the dry cleaner. Next thing I know, they're gone.
Anyway,
Speaker 58 so let's talk talk about joe tessatore
Speaker 58 and who
Speaker 58 now he
Speaker 58 his background is uh he has admitted to being a wrestling fan in the past i don't know how far back that goes but he was a regular sports announcer type fellow correct
Speaker 58 came from espn one of the still is i believe
Speaker 58 Well, is he, is he, is he working on the side now in the real sports along with the WWE? I wouldn't think he'd have time.
Speaker 2 I don't know if WWE is his only gig. I think he still does real sports.
Speaker 2 Real sports. I hate to say professional episode.
Speaker 58 But now that there is such a fucking divide now.
Speaker 58 But anyway, I'm wondering, does he understand?
Speaker 58 He's got to be standing there next to Jesse Ventura going, my God.
Speaker 58 They have paired me to try to get a broadcast out of the Crip Keeper.
Speaker 58 Why is it, does he understand Jesse's cultural significance?
Speaker 58 Or is he?
Speaker 58 I'm wondering, is he coming into this going, what the fuck?
Speaker 2 If he's a wrestling fan, he should.
Speaker 58 Well, but I'm not watching a wrestling fan since the fucking.
Speaker 58 Was he an old days wrestling fan or has he come along in the modern times? He seems to be an older fellow.
Speaker 2
See, Jesse Ventura needs someone to play off. That's the best way to use him.
That's the way Vince McMahon worked with him. That's the way Gorilla Monsoon worked with him.
Speaker 2 And some of these guys may not really know how to play off them. And
Speaker 2 it was an interesting journey for Jesse Ventura.
Speaker 58 Well, now, Penn, to be fair, what way is there to play off of this? Ha ha, we should get Grandpa his meds early next year or next time.
Speaker 58 How do you, it's.
Speaker 58 I don't is, is, are people writing some of these little comedic lines that Jesse tries to drop in and he's just not delivering them right?
Speaker 58 Because I can't imagine this would be in the last, in the final script, as
Speaker 58 they say in Show Biz.
Speaker 58 He's meandering off into fucking tangents. And I knew, I knew, Brian, I could feel it in my bones.
Speaker 58 As soon as he did the intro, the stand-up, where he said, talking about the cage match, they're going to stay inside. Somebody's going to win inside the cage.
Speaker 58 I said, he doesn't know what they're going to fucking do, does he?
Speaker 58 and
Speaker 58 he worked there
Speaker 58 but is it like he can remember the cage matches in portland in the 70s but he can't remember 1987 in the garden
Speaker 2 well we can just talk about this here even though it took place later when he was on commentary
Speaker 58 Well, let's just flip. I'm going to flip ahead in my notes to that.
Speaker 2 He made a few comments about how, you know, NBC would never allow a cage match.
Speaker 2
He was doing commentary for the cage matches. Orndorff and Hogan was one of the more famous things from that era.
They used that on a bunch of commercial tapes.
Speaker 58 Hogan and Bossman.
Speaker 2 And then Hogan and Bossman in 89,
Speaker 2
when I was a kid, that's all people talked about. He superplexed them off the top of the cage.
Even when you say it, it sounds ridiculous. Like, no way.
And that's what he did. He fucking did it.
Speaker 58 Yeah. Hey, if you think only the kids were talking about it,
Speaker 58 fucking I'll, because it was Bubba. I watched it and he called me the next day and said did you see the superplex i took off the top of the cage because that
Speaker 58 that bump made him like
Speaker 2 twenty five thousand dollars or whatever the it was uh and ventura was there i mean that was a really memorable saturday night's main event and look zeus zeus was in front of the cage to confront hogan before the match so
Speaker 58 Since we are into talking about this, to keep the not to be broken up with the subject matter.
Speaker 58 So, Jesse had prefaced that. And then, of course, they pitched to Cole and McAfee, who do the
Speaker 58 broadcast at Ringside. And you got Joe and you got Jesse at the podium up there.
Speaker 58 But then,
Speaker 58 apparently, the deal is they put Jesse on color in one match per show.
Speaker 58 And so they showed video, by the way, of Jesse in 1986 in the WWF working with Plowboy Frazier. Did you see that?
Speaker 2
Uncle Elmer. Remember the match? It was the Hillbillies against Jesse Ventura, who had already been a commentator.
It was one of his last matches, if not the last match, and Piper and Orton.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 bless Plowboy's heart that he still makes network television in the 2020s. If somebody had told him that
Speaker 58 in the eight, actually, he was egotistical enough, he would have believed it.
Speaker 2 But anyway, so it's crazy to think of Jesse Ventura versus Plowboy Frazier on national.
Speaker 58 Oh, and my God,
Speaker 58 what should the penalty have been for booking that?
Speaker 58 But when Ventura at Ringside joins Cole and McAfee,
Speaker 58 the first thing, he wouldn't stop talking over the ring announcer.
Speaker 58 What's her name? Can't remember her name.
Speaker 58 But nevertheless, she's trying to lay out the rules of the cage for the people, Brian, for the people.
Speaker 58 But Jesse was nattering back and forth at colon mcafee and so he there's he wasn't listening
Speaker 58 so here's another thing they're having the cage match with damian priest and drew mcintyre where he at the start
Speaker 58 he obviously but why did the producer
Speaker 58 whoever is producifying these things in the truck not in the first break or when they got off camera with Jesse not say to Jesse,
Speaker 58 remember they could escape the cage or whatever. Who knows?
Speaker 58 So now he's glossed over the fucking instructions again. And plus, it's bad television because
Speaker 58 she was on the PA system. She was talking to the people.
Speaker 58 Why would the commentator not stop fucking talking?
Speaker 2
Help me. To be fair, McAfee chirps up a lot when other people are on the mic or talking or other things are happening.
That's happened a bit lately. Would Jesse Ventura?
Speaker 58 Well, no, this was like an entire stream of conversation.
Speaker 2 Do you remember what he was arguing about? I don't even know if arguing is the word.
Speaker 2
He said from that Uncle Elmer clip, you know, I was the only announcer to ever be an announcer and then wrestle and then announce. Yes.
And then McAfee is like, well, you know, McAfee did it.
Speaker 2
And then he turns to Cole, not knowing anything about Michael Cole's history. And he's, and Michael Cole's like, well, I did too.
And Jesse goes, who did you wrestle?
Speaker 2 And Cole should have said the answer. He didn't, because the answer would have been Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 2 And he didn't say it because Ventura would have flipped if he had heard heard that.
Speaker 2 That was a WrestleMania match, Michael Cole versus Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 2 But yeah, it started off. You could tell that there was an issue meshing, and the issue is not Cole and McAfee, who,
Speaker 2 you know, I'm not a big fan of them necessarily, but they have good chemistry together. Jesse was on another, Jesse was,
Speaker 2 no one was on the same plane as Jesse, seemingly.
Speaker 58 No one was on the same plane because I think the plane has run out of gas.
Speaker 2 Was there no one in the headset like saying, Jesse, Jesse?
Speaker 58 Again, that's
Speaker 58 you would. It's hard to think that there's not
Speaker 58 because of the professionalism normally associated with this broadcast, unless is that part of the deal that you can't fucking tell Jesse what to say or whatever, or you got to give him this in writing six hours beforehand.
Speaker 58 I don't know.
Speaker 58 But again, so
Speaker 58 there the cage match starts
Speaker 58 by
Speaker 58 they have a jump start at the door where Drew jumps him and they fight on the floor.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 then, of course, they got to throw a couple of chairs into the cage, and then the door gets closed.
Speaker 58 And they have a back and forth fight. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 58 They go to break in two minutes.
Speaker 58 And,
Speaker 58 you know, this is going to be a theme
Speaker 58 throughout this show. But
Speaker 58 here's the first comparison with the two products.
Speaker 58 There were a couple matches on this show I would have liked to have seen a little bit more of.
Speaker 58 Not necessarily for them to be longer, just not to have a fucking four and a half minute commercial break in the middle.
Speaker 58 to where you at least saw what the fuck and on the other
Speaker 58 promotions offering,
Speaker 58 I was willing to fucking turn to crime and mug senior citizens to goddamn get some of these matches to fucking stop.
Speaker 58 So there's a wide,
Speaker 58 there's a wide gap in between the two there that somebody could
Speaker 58 certainly fill that hole.
Speaker 58 But when they came back,
Speaker 58 you know, to the after the break, you know, they're kind of already going into
Speaker 58 their fucking, you know, their finish. Priest made a comeback and priest,
Speaker 58 again, was climbing to the top. He was obviously trying to escape.
Speaker 58 And here's where,
Speaker 58 and I don't know why Jesse wasn't picking up on this yet,
Speaker 58 but also
Speaker 58 what the fuck the babyface is trying to get away from the heel. This, it, this doesn't,
Speaker 58 no, you don't want to see priests try to fucking get out.
Speaker 58 And Bruno got away with it because he soundly thrashed fucking
Speaker 58 the heel, the villain, and then walked out the door triumphant when the guy was fucking laying there because that was the rules of that time. But now that there's a pin
Speaker 58 involved,
Speaker 58 that that's part of the fucking deal.
Speaker 58 And especially if you haven't convincingly beat the fuck out of the guy first. I'll get to that in a minute.
Speaker 58 Drew superplexed Priest off the top of the cage, which basically the way they did it that way is because Priest was the one that wanted to take the superplex.
Speaker 58 And Drew was the one that said, Okay, I'll give it. But who's the, I wrote who's the baby face?
Speaker 58 And then, you know, they had the big one, two, and some false finishes. And Drew beat the shit out of Priest with a chair.
Speaker 58 And then Priest came back with a chair.
Speaker 58 And then Priest
Speaker 58 went for the concerto and hit it on Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 58 And it looked fake as it always does whenever anybody hits anybody with that fucking thing.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 Priest has got, okay, Drew McIntyre is this fucking asshole that's been
Speaker 58 tormenting young priest.
Speaker 58 And he's got him there and he caves his head in with a chair.
Speaker 58 And he can't turn him over and cover him with a fucking hand on his chest or a finger in his fucking nose or whatever.
Speaker 58 One, two, three.
Speaker 58 He stands up and walks out the door.
Speaker 58
And well, he stands up and he walks to the door. And as he's going through the open door, he thinks about it.
The fans in the building are booing, like, no, where the fuck are you going?
Speaker 58 Beat the fucking guy.
Speaker 58 And he thinks about it, and then he steps down and wins. And Brian, before we
Speaker 58 talk about Jesse Ventura's reaction to that, I've got to get your thoughts on the match and the finish.
Speaker 2 You almost felt like it was a double turn, executed really poorly,
Speaker 2 because Priest certainly seemed like a heel.
Speaker 2 and I had nothing but sympathy for McIntyre at the end.
Speaker 58 Yes,
Speaker 2 was it a double turn?
Speaker 58 I don't think it was supposed to be.
Speaker 2 Him walking out of the cage, just that alone, the way he did it.
Speaker 2 I don't know.
Speaker 58 The private the announcer, the announcers were like trying to sell it as
Speaker 58 well, he has you know gotten his revenge by soundly thrashing
Speaker 58 yonder varlet or whatever.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 there was hardly any of the match on fucking television. And then what we saw that made Priest look
Speaker 58 not weak, just stupid,
Speaker 58 confusing, prickish,
Speaker 58 possibly cowardly a little earlier. Then at the end, just what the fuck? Blah.
Speaker 2
I think this whole feud has kind of been blah. And they've had like big matches and seems like several blow-off matches potentially.
And they've been a part of several multi-man matches. But
Speaker 58 Drew McIntyre is a star. Why would you do it?
Speaker 58 Isn't it better to have fucking Drew McIntyre get outsmarted in some kind of way and fucking dives into the cage and fucking bounces off and gets pinned in a flash by Damian Priest than to have him laid out, have his fucking head caved in and walked off on like a goddamn yesterday's Twinkie wrapper in the fucking street of life.
Speaker 58 It wouldn't it be that I don't what how what he
Speaker 2 should McIntyre be a babyface right now, just based on the way everyone's currently aligned on the roster?
Speaker 58 No, because I like him so much more as what he's been doing, just not this. Why, again,
Speaker 58 why
Speaker 58 give him fucking
Speaker 58 alleged brain damage and just leave him laying to
Speaker 58 save him from getting pinned?
Speaker 2 What
Speaker 2 and I feel like it's two years straight of saying this, or maybe a little less. I don't know.
Speaker 2 How many times can you say they got to do something different with priest now? They got to do something different.
Speaker 2 I still don't care. At this point, put him in a different color, just anything different.
Speaker 2 And what's he going to do now?
Speaker 2 Maybe as a heel,
Speaker 2 he can get fired up. I kind of think we're exhausted at him as a babyface who doesn't really do anything.
Speaker 58 Well, I think that this wasn't meant to turn him heel, but it might have. So maybe they can figure out a way to further that.
Speaker 58 But, you know, much like many of the archdiocese around the country, we need a new priest.
Speaker 58 But anyway, back to the finish of the cage match.
Speaker 58 Jesse Ventura.
Speaker 58 watched
Speaker 58 Damian Priest walk out and boom and the bell ring. And it was like
Speaker 58
aliens from another world had landed. What the fuck? If he could have said, fuck, how do you win? This is a quote.
I wrote it down. How do you win it going out the door?
Speaker 58 What kind of, this is another quote. What kind of BS is that? You can walk out the door.
Speaker 58 I've been doing it like this for 40 fucking years.
Speaker 58 I can't take it.
Speaker 58 And he he wouldn't get off it.
Speaker 58 And you know, at that point, unless he's just turned, there's a thing where you can,
Speaker 58
they're trying to talk to you in your headset from the truck, but you can turn their volume down. And he had to have because he was going on and on.
And then he started rolling his eyes.
Speaker 58 Boy, that was exciting, wasn't it? That's a quote.
Speaker 58 Then it's a quote, boy, that was exciting, wasn't it? Why did he have his limo driver pull up and pick him up at the door?
Speaker 58 And they couldn't stop him. They couldn't talk over him.
Speaker 58
Oh my God. Yeah, that was the greatest shit I've ever heard.
He just shit all over it. It was, I've heard wrestling promoters do.
Speaker 58 promos on TV about the opposition running against him in a town that was more professional and fucking favorable.
Speaker 58
Then that fit. Jesse didn't like that fucking finish.
What?
Speaker 58 you
Speaker 58
said on the first couple of Saturday nights made of it. Oh, but Jesse makes it.
He's the era. You know, the name.
It's the
Speaker 58 high.
Speaker 58 Do we need to maybe ask Jesse to watch at home next time?
Speaker 2 I don't know. It did seem like he aged like 10 years between the last
Speaker 58 he was dehydrated.
Speaker 58 Somebody needs to put a garden hose up his ass and fill him up with another 60 pounds of water.
Speaker 2 He got there.
Speaker 2
He was a part of the opening thing with Joe Tessator, or whatever his name is. I think that is his name.
Joe Tessatori.
Speaker 58 Yes, yes, Tessatori.
Speaker 2 And then later on, so there's a gap right there. Where was he a catering? Where was he?
Speaker 2 Later on, he comes out for commentary where he seemingly has no idea the rules of a cage match, including the ones he called.
Speaker 2 I believe Hogan used to try to make it dramatic and go over the top. Bruno always left through the door and just lifted his arms up.
Speaker 2
Andre left through the door. I mean, we've seen a lot of these matches.
Jesse called some of them. He had no idea.
No one clued him in.
Speaker 2 And then Jesse just decided.
Speaker 2
I mean, it's so over the top. I mean, it would almost make you think they were okay with it.
But
Speaker 2
during that entire match, no one gave him a heads up like on what's going on or anything. It's really questionable just the way way it happened.
But it was,
Speaker 58 I can't explain it, but I guarantee you when in the truck, they were hearing what kind of BS is that? You can walk out the door. Boy, that was exciting.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 the fact that the other announcers are trying to go somewhere else, somebody was saying, lay out, Jesse. Lay out, Jesse.
Speaker 2 They should have him do more commentary.
Speaker 2 The voice of the fans, he tells it like it is, this is is BS.
Speaker 2 It wouldn't be great if he asked for a refund. You should give the fans back their money.
Speaker 58 X Nay on the E fund, Ray.
Speaker 2 Listen, Jesse, you succeeded in running Hogan away, but now we got to let you go.
Speaker 58 Anyway,
Speaker 58 but the problem, okay,
Speaker 58 here was my summation of this in the notes.
Speaker 58
There wasn't 10 minutes of the match on the air. It was a rotten finish.
It switched priest heel, and they beat Drew McIntyre.
Speaker 58
Well, holy shit. So, that, but that was in the middle of the show.
We just, we wanted a lead with that because of Jesse's absolute astonishment and gobsmackery
Speaker 58 that they would allow such a thing to happen in one of their
Speaker 58 matches on the program that he's been a company's been associated with on and off for 45 fucking years.
Speaker 2 They should have had him on every match on this show.
Speaker 2 Oh, good lord.
Speaker 58 All right, but what they opened with, Brian, I'll have you know, good sir.
Speaker 58 They opened hot, they wanted to catch people right off the bat. Here comes Seth, Franklin Rollins, and his
Speaker 58 henchman now, Braun Breaker, and Paul E. Danger Heyman,
Speaker 58 and they look fucking great together. They look just, just fabulous, just swell.
Speaker 58 And this is the new top heel stable. This is going to be the new bloodline without being a bloodline.
Speaker 58 It's, but it's a new top heel stable, which we are, we are fortunate to live in these times, Brian.
Speaker 58 And then it brings Sammy out because he's very popular.
Speaker 58 And then they start chanting right away: Sam Punk, Sam Punk, and then Hakamusolini and Tampa Bay.
Speaker 58
He was very close to that. The bay is very close to where they are.
The building is very close to the water.
Speaker 58 And a baby face has hit the ring and jumpstart it, and they get in a four-way.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 I mentioned this earlier, but especially if you're just popping in on the YouTube folks,
Speaker 58 they've had a little flurry and they stop Sammy and Braun clotheslines him over the desk and they go to the break and like, what a minute to fucking half or whatever.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 by the time they come back, they've gotten the heat on Sammy, but Sammy hits a hot tag and it's a hot tag. I'm not just.
Speaker 58 Saying that sarcastically, he set it up and boom, he hit it. It got a big pop.
Speaker 58 And Punk makes a comeback and goes through some false finishes.
Speaker 58
But Seth fucking caught him with a pedigree and sidelined him. And Sammy saved.
And it was Sammy and Braun. And he hit a dive and there was another break.
I'm like, what? They just came fucking back.
Speaker 58 And by the time they come back,
Speaker 58 they're ready to go. I'm like, God damn it.
Speaker 58 This is like when the reception used to be bad late at night, Brian, when I was trying to get Bruisers TV from Channel 4 in Bloomington, Indiana,
Speaker 58 and I hadn't put my big antenna up yet, and I was still dealing with the rabbit ears and
Speaker 58 it would waver in and out when Baron von Raschke had the claw on Bob Ellis.
Speaker 58 But finally,
Speaker 58 then they hit some simultaneous cold tags, which I wasn't as thrilled about.
Speaker 58 And Sammy made the big comeback on Braun and went for the kick, and Paul grabbed his leg.
Speaker 58 Managers are interfering again. It warms the
Speaker 58 potential pimple on my taint to see stuff like that.
Speaker 58 And so as the referee and Sammy are with Paul, Bronson Reed appears at ringside and spears
Speaker 58 CM Punk through the barricade.
Speaker 58
And then Sammy is aghast and alone. And Braun Breaker speared Sammy.
Boom, one, two, three.
Speaker 58 And I enjoyed what I saw of this. And I actually, I could have, I could have seen maybe three or four more minutes of it if they would have been so kind as to give it to me.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 and boom, they did that. And then Reed came in and
Speaker 58 Seth hugged him, and it got a big pop because now people can see this modern,
Speaker 58 you know,
Speaker 58 new faction forming.
Speaker 58 And Bronson Reed shook hands with Braun Breaker.
Speaker 58 Of course, this assess opening line always from now on every week has to be: this is my friend Braun and my other friend, Braun.
Speaker 58 And they all raised their hands, and Punk went after Paul. He was going to pull him down by the leg.
Speaker 58 And the heels grabbed Punk and held him out. And
Speaker 58 Bronson Reed.
Speaker 2 Paul did a splash.
Speaker 58 Oh, Bronson Reed.
Speaker 58 No, Bronson. No, they don't want to kill punk for sake
Speaker 58 he's still he's still got time on his contract they let bronson reed do it if they want to get rid of somebody they'll let heyman fall on
Speaker 58 but uh it was
Speaker 58 is okay like i said i'd like seeing a little bit more of it
Speaker 58 uh
Speaker 2 because that was kind of the the thing i was interested in of of the night but your thoughts you know i never really thought about they really should use heyman's girth and have him like do a splash even if he can't get off the ground just standing and just kind of fall no no no no the injury rate would be
Speaker 58 hey
Speaker 58 he couldn't he could find some way to be dangerous when he weighed 196 pounds
Speaker 58 unintentionally but still
Speaker 2
i thought the match was all right uh i like the bronson reed surprise because it was a surprise to me. I forgot about him.
Not in a bad way, but he had been gone for a while. He was been injured.
Speaker 2 I wasn't thinking like, oh, he's due to return, so that's the kind of surprise that I like when I don't anticipate it at all.
Speaker 2 And, of course, is the history with him and Rollins. He's the one who took out Rollins when Rollins was off for a while, injured for a while.
Speaker 58 Yes, and that's why they had they teased the little stare down there for a second and then had the big hug to show everybody they're all on the same page.
Speaker 58
And it's a shocking formation of this group and everything. And there's Paulie again, smiling.
The
Speaker 58 jowls are are flapping in the breeze. He's happy about this whole thing.
Speaker 58
So I like the group. And I know it's a network TV special.
I know it's basically to promote
Speaker 58 their regular programs, but
Speaker 58 they could have easily
Speaker 58 eliminated having to go to
Speaker 58 Zelena and Chelsea Green
Speaker 58 and given that six minutes plus entrances to
Speaker 58 another one of these matches or, well, probably two, because I think the main event might have got four minutes on the air, but we'll get there.
Speaker 58 Anyhow,
Speaker 58 allow me to turn the page to the aforementioned.
Speaker 2 Is Punk injured? Is they going to do a, I mean, when I say injured, not for real, but is Punk going to be off for a while?
Speaker 58 Well, I don't know. I haven't
Speaker 58
checked in with him. He usually emails me his schedule for the month so I can, you know, know how to book his limos.
How do I know what they're doing?
Speaker 2 No, they brought Bronson Reed back and he gave him the big splash. The last time we saw him do that, he took Seth Rollins out of commission.
Speaker 2 Well, no, built it up as being a dangerous move that could hurt. It took Braun Strowman out of the company.
Speaker 2 Well, no,
Speaker 58 part of that was
Speaker 58 self-inflicted by Braun from
Speaker 58 being too highly paid, I think.
Speaker 2 Too brawn from Braun.
Speaker 58 Too brawn from Braun. No, didn't they? He splashed Seth about three or four times.
Speaker 58 he just gave punk the one here so i think he he'll be okay by next week won't he in about a week per splash unless he has like a film role or something
Speaker 58 well in that case then they they ought to they ought to go and see him show up to shoot the movie with his ribs taped up
Speaker 58 well who knows but back to uh the exciting zelina vega versus chelsea green match you were going to go to yes it well it lasted about six minutes and did you see Now I guess they say it's broken, or at least they said that on the Twitter.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 right at the finish, Zelina tries a 619 on Chelsea, and she got completely hung up in the ropes to where her feet didn't go anywhere near Chelsea's face.
Speaker 58 So as she's hanging there in the ropes, she just reached her right foot out and boop.
Speaker 58 Just kicked fucking Chelsea right in the goddamn nose, right in the fucking face.
Speaker 58 boom and and chelsea grabs it and goes backward and in a second she's bleeding uh she got a definite bloody nose and apparently
Speaker 58 they've diagnosed it on twitter uh she did at least as being broken but but it was so funny because she's already there's no way that anybody's gonna buy this that she's already missed this thing and gotten hung up, obviously.
Speaker 58
And then she just said, well, there she is. Bam.
Just kicked her right in the fucking face.
Speaker 58 And then gayer a sunset flip power bomb off the turnbuckle, one, two, three.
Speaker 58 So that did her wonders too, I'm sure. I wonder if she could break her nose and give her brain damage in the same match.
Speaker 58 Did I miss anything about that, Brian?
Speaker 2 No, I don't think so.
Speaker 58 Tell me that Jimmy Hart at Ringside did not look exactly the same as Jimmy Hart on a clip from Saturday night's main event in 1986
Speaker 2 i mean for the most part there was no difference he's aged incredibly well
Speaker 2 is that the same jimmy hart who was last seen on the show getting booed with all cog
Speaker 58 yes he
Speaker 58 he had to have some of the heat washed off him so he got to be there with but butchwhacker luke but
Speaker 58 jesus christ
Speaker 58 bushwhacker luke at ringside or butch which was it Butch or was it Luke? Jesus Christ. Now it was Luke.
Speaker 2 Butch is dead.
Speaker 58
It was Luke. You know, that's what I'm saying.
But
Speaker 58 when I said Butchwhacker instead of Bushwhacker, that threw me off goddamn deep.
Speaker 2 Oh, man. You know what I loved in Memphis?
Speaker 2 Uh, real quick aside here, when they had the thing where Jimmy Hart with Bobby and Coco had like a little mini feud with the sheepherders of Boyd and Williams.
Speaker 2 And they're like, they're in there, like they're cutting promos on each other, like face to face, in a sense. Jimmy Hart's in the ring and Jonathan Boyd's on the mic by Lance.
Speaker 2 It was great. It was heel versus heel, but I loved it.
Speaker 58 Well, that's
Speaker 58
Jonathan Boyd was so cranky. He was believable that he would be mad at anybody, heel babyface, or anybody else.
And
Speaker 58 Jimmy, again,
Speaker 58 people could like him as long as he was saying something that he would normally say about people that they didn't like, but then he could turn it around.
Speaker 58 But nevertheless, they were at ringside, and so was Viking O.
Speaker 58 Oh, Viking O has made the big jump over there to the big time.
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Speaker 58 And it was nine o'clock now after those.
Speaker 58 Seriously, after
Speaker 58 the tag team match, which we barely got 10 minutes of on the air, and Chelsea and Zelina.
Speaker 58 It was the nine o'clock hour.
Speaker 58
And it was time for John Cena's entrance. And John Cena sucks.
John Cena sucks.
Speaker 58 And the match with R-Truth. And
Speaker 58 Brianna, I will defend for a second why that I'm not offended by them having this match, booking this match,
Speaker 58 et cetera, in theory and principle.
Speaker 58 Because
Speaker 58 they want to be able to advertise John Cena
Speaker 58 on
Speaker 58 network television special in primetime for ratings and also to promote what they've got going on with his retirement tour and the whole nine yards.
Speaker 58 But at the same time, they don't want him going out there and wrestling
Speaker 58 a goddamn strenuous pay-per-view main event fucking match against a top guy and give that away for free or burn him out or it out or somebody gets hurt.
Speaker 58 So
Speaker 58 there is some level of connection from
Speaker 58 the fantasy universe that R-Truth lives in,
Speaker 58 somewhere there within the more overall broad WWE universe, and Cena, where they can have the match, and it's an easy short match where John doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 58 He beats a popular guy, you don't waste a money match.
Speaker 58 But I think, boy, having said that, even that underperformed the in-ring expectations.
Speaker 58 Because
Speaker 58 Cena can't throw punch anymore.
Speaker 58 And the slow, deliberate heat
Speaker 58 was both slow and deliberate.
Speaker 58 And then when R-Truth would foil
Speaker 58 an attitude adjustment and give him the shoulder tackles like Cena does and the spinning suplex,
Speaker 58 R-Truth picked him up and spun him around and was holding him almost till he was about two feet off the mat. And John still had his fucking arm down, like, block this giant fall.
Speaker 58 I believe Aunt Lola could have taken that bump.
Speaker 58 And, but the people that were there were buying this. Would R-Truth went for the you can't see me and got a huge pop and he hit it.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 he hit the attitude adjustment and he hit the got the STF. Cena had to get to the ropes.
Speaker 58 And then it was time for him to walk, to walk. Time for him to go home,
Speaker 58 which after they'd pretty much walked, as I said, walked through this
Speaker 58 thing, the match.
Speaker 58
Again, the people alive liked it. It was, let's go, Cena.
Cena sucks. And
Speaker 58 you can't wrestle. Yes, you can.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 boy, they should have just gone ahead and rolled some bubble wrap out on the canvas uh so finally
Speaker 58 cena posted r-truth and got the title belt and the referee was just staring at him he wasn't even going over giving him any bullshit like don't you dare use that he was just staring from the corner like
Speaker 58 and r-truth then
Speaker 58 saw Cena coming at him with the belt and Cena froze and they had like a stare down
Speaker 58 And it was like Cena was sheepish, like, oh, I don't want to hit you after all. And Cena gave the belt back to the referee, who turned to hand it out.
Speaker 58 And Cena kicked R-Truth into balls and
Speaker 58 hit him with the attitude adjustment one, two, three.
Speaker 58 And I'm thinking, you could have done that without burying the referee, just kick him into fucking balls. I don't.
Speaker 58 And then he knocked him out with the fucking belt
Speaker 58 and left. The end.
Speaker 58 Is that all there is?
Speaker 2 You don't want the Cena comeback or the match?
Speaker 58 Well, all of it.
Speaker 2 I mean, it makes sense to do something with R-Truth in a sense to finish it off if this is Cena's last year.
Speaker 2 You know, I forgot how soft Cena was working the last several years as a regular performer.
Speaker 2
It really stands out. Oh, he says great facial expressions.
Yes. It's just you're looking at what he's doing and you're like, you know, that's kind of how I wrestle with my kids.
Speaker 2 Like, you know, no one's going to get hurt now.
Speaker 58 And to be quite honest with you, with the amount of money he has at his age, I don't blame him.
Speaker 58 I wouldn't do things I used to do either.
Speaker 2 But I'm starting to count down those dates.
Speaker 2 Like I'm getting, I'm getting a little fed up with a lot of the
Speaker 2
booking has just been off this whole year for me as a fan. I know a lot of other people are just as happy as they've ever been.
And there are things that on the horizon could be great.
Speaker 2 The Heyman Group, whatever it is.
Speaker 58 The
Speaker 58 HHG group, wasn't that what it was?
Speaker 2 That's right.
Speaker 58 The corporate owners of ECW at one point.
Speaker 2 Jacob Fatu. I mean, there are things I like and things I want to see how they're going to play out and big events I'm sure will be great.
Speaker 2
But by and large, this year for me, and it's all really centered around the Cena booking. And it's not just all the rock.
The rock thing threw it off in the wrong direction, but
Speaker 2 Cena's had strong performances as a heel
Speaker 2 that the more and more you see them, the more they feel like performances.
Speaker 2 Because we've had a lot of them that go on way too long.
Speaker 2 And there's just nothing really exciting. I mean,
Speaker 2 We'll talk about what happens later on, later on, but
Speaker 2 him interacting with Cody again, okay, there's something, but
Speaker 2 it feels like there's something lacking from the Cena stuff and from just everything show-wide for me right now.
Speaker 58 It's just a little
Speaker 2 does it feel off to you the whole Cena run?
Speaker 2 Or at least since WrestleMania, I mean, just what do you think?
Speaker 58 Well, not necessarily off, just uninspiring.
Speaker 2 Uninspired, maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 58 Uninspired. And that's the thing is, as we're, you know, we're illustrating here.
Speaker 58 You got one show where there's a few things you might like to have seen a little bit more of, but it mostly is like, eh.
Speaker 58
And then as we'll get to the other show, it's like, oh, my God, please make it stop over and over, hours and hours. We've seen everything.
My God, you've desecrated the corpse.
Speaker 58 If there could just be something in that happy little sweet spot, you think, right in the middle.
Speaker 58 Anyway, speaking of sweet spot, Leilani Kai was at ringside. Nice to see her.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 Barry Windham and Mike Rotunda, both of them were looking very Rotunda.
Speaker 58 I'm the only guy in the wrestling business that got out of the business and lost weight.
Speaker 58 Now I'd
Speaker 58 amongst.
Speaker 58 Amongst all of my contemporaries, I would be one of the fucking people that would tipple the scale at the least amount these days.
Speaker 2 It was nice to see Leilani Kai. I don't think they've ever really had her at one of these things, but she seemed delighted to be there or as happy as could be.
Speaker 58 She's a happy person.
Speaker 2 I was glad to see her. Yeah, it's always nice when you see someone who's not one of the usual suspects and they actually seem like they appreciate being there.
Speaker 2 And Wyndham and Rotunda, it's just nice to see they're still here.
Speaker 58 Well, it all said it was close because they're right down the road.
Speaker 2 Are they? Does Barry Wyndham? I don't want to get in the way.
Speaker 2 Yeah,
Speaker 58 I don't.
Speaker 58 I'm not allowed under court order to reveal that at any rate.
Speaker 58 So then, and you can tell, I think they were running a little long because most of Jey Uso's entrance was in break. You saw him coming in, and he had a long way to go.
Speaker 58 And they had to get this thing going
Speaker 58 because they had
Speaker 58 two hours, and this was the fifth match. And by the time they got him in and rung the bell,
Speaker 58 Jey Uso and Logan Paul for the world title, the bell rang it 9:50 p.m. Eastern.
Speaker 58 We're barely 10 minutes on the air left, so they opened up fast, went one minute. Logan Paul did a dive, and they went to the break.
Speaker 58 It was eight minutes left on the air when they went to the break.
Speaker 58
And they came back. It was a short break, I believe, only about two, two and a half minutes.
But when they come back,
Speaker 58 Jay had already made the comeback and the ass in the face. And
Speaker 58 they're doing false finishes
Speaker 58 and they did a number of false finishes logan paul got one and jay uso got one and
Speaker 58 got another one
Speaker 58 and then they had pulled the turnbuckle pad off logan paul had on one of the middle turnbuckles
Speaker 58 and
Speaker 58 logan paul ran
Speaker 58 Uso into the into that and then hit him with the knockout punch and got a two count.
Speaker 58 That old knockout punch ain't what it used to be.
Speaker 58 And then Uso hits a super kick and goes to top and hits a big splash and one, two, and all of a sudden the referee
Speaker 58 gets whisked out of the ring like a tablecloth. And it's John Cena, pulled him out on the floor and jumped into the ring and started beating the shit out of Jay.
Speaker 58 And then music plays. And here comes Cody.
Speaker 58 And he hits the ring and he gets on John Cena.
Speaker 58 And he hit the crossroads
Speaker 58 for the first time ever when he hit his cross, when he hit his back, meaning Cody.
Speaker 58 Cena still had about another 30 seconds before he landed. He just landed on top of boom and walked off.
Speaker 58 And then Jay speared Logan Paul and hit the splash off the top. And the referee counted one, two, three, despite being pulled out on the floor by the aforementioned John Cena.
Speaker 58 And then, so Jay won,
Speaker 58 and Cody got on a microphone and says, You've ruined enough, and my DVR froze. So
Speaker 58 they were right down to the nub on time.
Speaker 58 Could have you ever seen a more rushed match than this as a main event on a network TV special?
Speaker 2 Well, it definitely seemed like they were going long when they went to the main event. I looked at the clock, I was like, oh my God, what's on a 10?
Speaker 2 And then I realized, yeah, there is programming on at 10 and it's NBC's like, it was dateline or something.
Speaker 2 And they were right at the limit, if not a little bit past it. And they set up the match for Money in the Bank.
Speaker 2 Cody Rhodes's return match will be teaming with Jey Uso
Speaker 2 against John Cena and Logan Paul. What do you think?
Speaker 58 Well, that's all fine. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 58 I would have liked to have seen more than four minutes of this fucking match on the air and try to get the angle in at the end when you've got two fucking hours.
Speaker 58 Get the angle in at the end with enough time that the announcers can reinforce it for 30 seconds and my DVR can have a chance to fucking
Speaker 58 do its temperamental shit, but this was right down to the nub.
Speaker 2 Yeah, you know NBC put a lot of commercials in when TKO said this is too commercialized.
Speaker 58 But that was Saturday night's main event. And
Speaker 58
I would like to see the tag team match. I'd like to have seen a little bit more of some of these things just for the sake of it.
It was
Speaker 58 again, it's like you're either starved or you're force-fed to the point of nausea.
Speaker 2
Well, we'll see what happens. Of course, we're on the road to Money in the Bank.
We'll hopefully see Jesse Ventura again on this show. That would be an
Speaker 2 awful way for his swan song to
Speaker 58 see Jesse in the future. I think we need to find that particular
Speaker 58 home that he'll be residing in for dealing with some of his dementia-related issues. Oh, stop it.
Speaker 2 Will you stop it, dementia-related issues?
Speaker 58 I think that there'll be a day where we can bring Governor Jesse some.
Speaker 2 I have more important things on my mind, like MI5.
Speaker 58 Yeah, well, he's going to have some MIs up his yin-yang as they're testing him for the cognitive decline that he's suffering.
Speaker 58 So I think we need to bring Jesse some peach cobbler every Sunday afternoon in the new home they're putting him in.
Speaker 2 Well, maybe I would still watch him as a commentator, but that was Saturday night's main event. And of course, Jim, if you watch John Cena here,
Speaker 2 you may watch him and go, that man is not snug.
Speaker 2 That man does not squeeze a headlock. That man does not grip a crossface.
Speaker 2
It's wonderful for his opponents. They don't have to worry about a cauliflower ear from working with Mr.
Cena. And if they had one, they may have have hearing loss.
Speaker 2 And of course hearing loss inflicts so many,
Speaker 2 if inflict is in fact the word we want to use here, all throughout.
Speaker 2
There are so many who have hearing loss from everyday activity. And of course, some are, I guess, just born with it.
Well, not, I guess, they are.
Speaker 2 We're talking about you, mom and pop, or whoever you are at home, all alone. Maybe you're by yourself.
Speaker 2 But hearing is something that could escort you throughout the rest of your way, listening to music, podcasts, and of course, everyday conversation. Jim,
Speaker 2 I'm sure you have something to say about MD hearing.
Speaker 58 It's hard to hear things when you can't hear. That's why you need to hear me now.
Speaker 58 Well, that's a good question, Brian. How are the folks hearing me now? If the folks that need hearing aids, because they can't hear, how are they hearing me now if they still need the hearing aid?
Speaker 58
So I can tell them about the hearing aid that they so desperately need. It's all a vicious catch-22, ladies and gentlemen.
But I'll tell you one thing, regardless of the stiffness of the headlocks,
Speaker 58 I don't know if somebody can just take a good slap to the side of the head and be benefited by MD hearing. But if you're like so many Americans or other peoples of other lands around the world
Speaker 58 and you can't afford gas and food and everything's getting more expensive, and everything's inflation. And you just say, I'm going to put off the hearing aid things, too, too expensive.
Speaker 58 Well, that's where MD hearing comes into play
Speaker 58 because the prices may be crazy at the clinics or the doctor's receptacles at the various. Is that a word, Brian? Like inflicts?
Speaker 58 If you're having inflicted
Speaker 58 doctors' receptacles,
Speaker 58 no, you don't need to do that anymore. MD Hearing.
Speaker 2 You don't need to do that anymore. No.
Speaker 58 You don't need to do that anymore because MD Hearing is featuring low-cost, high-quality hearing aids. $297
Speaker 58 for a pair of hearing aids this good is absolutely just birjork, just completely crazy go mad nuts.
Speaker 58 And they've recently cut their prices to make these more affordable to the general public because the general public can't hear it thunder.
Speaker 58 That's why you're seeing a lot more people run down in the streets, Brian.
Speaker 58 Because they can't hear when the guy honks his horn or screams, get out of the fucking way, I'm going to run you down.
Speaker 2 And a boom. For the record, we don't have any evidence to show that there is a surprise.
Speaker 58 Oh, statistics prove that most people that are run down at a high rate of speed don't survive. No, I'm telling you this.
Speaker 2 If you had no statistics, it could possibly prove that you don't
Speaker 58 either.
Speaker 58 This is true.
Speaker 58 The statistics are that most people that are run down at a high rate of speed by a motor vehicle do not survive i'm just telling you that's just that's science right there it's the science of the lambs so folks
Speaker 58 serious you actually made me believe you for a second and then the science of the lambs well and because it's true think about it and the folks at md hearing want you to be able to afford these and as i mentioned i've given a pair to Stacey's stepfather who has a little problem with the hearing there and now he hates the whole family he hears everything that we say about him but folks md hearing was founded by an ent surgeon who saw how many of his patients needed hearing aids but couldn't afford them and that's why he wanted to make his mission developing a quality hearing aid that anybody could afford and he has done so here
Speaker 58 because they've sold over 2 million hearing aid did you know
Speaker 58 that 2 million people
Speaker 58 were not just trying to imitate Steve Austin when they said, what?
Speaker 58 2 million hearing aids they've sold.
Speaker 2 Those were potential clients for MD hearing, and hopefully they hear this. They couldn't hear her.
Speaker 58
Goddamn. They kept saying, turn it up.
What? What? Turn it up. We can't hear you.
God damn it. I tell Stace that all the time.
She believes me too.
Speaker 2 You know, I hate they cost us any business, but MD Hearing should probably contact Steve Austin about doing commercials.
Speaker 2 Just based on all that thing.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58
he would charge so much that they would take the money they're paying us and pay him. And And then we'd be out in the cold.
And then we'd be saying, what? What?
Speaker 58 Folks, they offer a 45-day risk-free trial with a 100% money-back guarantee so that you can sample this fine product before you fully commit to a lifelong relationship and you have confidence that they're not going to hornswoggle you.
Speaker 58 And they were just selected to be the hearing aid supplier for top Medicare Advantage plans. So they're a brand you can trust because they're hooked in with the babyface part of the government.
Speaker 58
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Speaker 58 MD Hearing and use the promo code JCE to get a pair of hearing aids for just $297.
Speaker 58 That's $150 less an ear, for heaven's sake. As a matter of fact, if you have recently lost an ear in some type of,
Speaker 58 I don't know, wrestling ring related catastrophe like Mick Foley, contact them and see if they'll just sell you one, because why the fuck would they penalize you?
Speaker 58 That's, you know, that'd be anti-discrimination laws of some kind. One-eared People Unite.
Speaker 58
Shop mdhearing.com and use the promo code JCE. Hearing aids, just $297 if you need both, and a free extra charging case.
That's a $100 value. They're throwing that in there.
Speaker 58 Brian, do you think
Speaker 58 if you only needed one, will they work with you?
Speaker 2
Well, you buy the pair, you have the pair. Of course, a lot of us have hearing loss.
I have hearing loss from years ago in the concerts and being
Speaker 2 way too careless about my ears. And of course, now I have a way to hear everything.
Speaker 58 You just let your ears go when you were younger, just go everywhere, unaccompanied, and associate with a lower class of people.
Speaker 2 Now they have MD Hearing to accompany them. Jim, what's that promo code? One last time:
Speaker 58 JCE
Speaker 2 MD Hearing.com slash JCE.
Speaker 58 Well, no, shopmdhearing.com, but you asked for the promo code. You didn't specify you wanted to hold shebang.
Speaker 2 Jim, what's that shebang website?
Speaker 58 Well, shapoopy, go to shopmdhearing.com and use the promo code JCE to get the pair of hearing aids and charge a case $297.
Speaker 58 That's $149
Speaker 58 per ear.
Speaker 58 One-eared people inquire separately.
Speaker 2 All right, we now move on to the next portion of the show. Obviously, based on that music, it's the clown show portion of the show.
Speaker 58 When last we left Wappinger Falls, old widow Trudle was busy baking cookies while Mr. Trudle was fiddling in the corn shed with fucking the maid.
Speaker 2 Or something like that is exactly what transpired on pay-per-view. Jim, let's talk about AEW Double or Nothing 2025.
Speaker 2 They certainly, on commentary, we're making out, like this is their big event. I always think all in or all out is the big one, but I guess this is their big one.
Speaker 2 And it happened.
Speaker 58 Aren't they all? Aren't they all the big ones? They're the long ones. They got to be the big ones, too.
Speaker 2 Or what they don't have in girth, they make up for in length.
Speaker 58 Well, and sometimes that can be painful.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 boy, how do that prophecy came true here? My God, I was.
Speaker 58 As we were talking about the Saturday night's main event, boy, it would have been nice to see a couple more minutes of a few of those matches that we, between commercial breaks and time constraints, only a two-hour program.
Speaker 58 We got like six minutes of match. Over here,
Speaker 58 they got no shortage of the matches.
Speaker 58 This pay-per-view, and you say it's their big one. Again,
Speaker 58 Memorial Day weekend is how they've chosen their big one.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 they're still on the gambling motif, regardless of what
Speaker 58 location that they're in, whether it's casino-oriented or not. But
Speaker 58 four and a half hours on the official pay-per-view
Speaker 58 and then the the countdown show as it's listed on my cable provider boy there's zero hour whatever
Speaker 58 and another hour and a half they only had two matches this time sometimes they've had four
Speaker 2 you didn't see any of the pre-show
Speaker 58 No, I've got the results here.
Speaker 2 No, but did you see any of it?
Speaker 58 I did not see any of it because I've got the results.
Speaker 2 Well, beyond the results, there was one moment I have to mention. So, you know, it's hosted by RJ City,
Speaker 2 Renee Paquette,
Speaker 2 and Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 2 And,
Speaker 2
you know, that's Jeff's role now. He didn't get his retirement back, so instead he's doing the pre-show.
He's one of three.
Speaker 2 And
Speaker 2 as this triad is talking about...
Speaker 2 the night's events in between video packages and stuff. All of a sudden they're joined by Lance Archer, the big bad heel from the Don Cowles family.
Speaker 2 And then he just starts doing a preview for the paper.
Speaker 2 I wanted you to see just that one thing because I found it so funny because he's big and mean, but then he's just like, and that should be a big, bad match.
Speaker 2 He just starts talking about the pay-per-view like they are.
Speaker 58 Well, then let's analyze these contests, Rene.
Speaker 2 And he wasn't bad, other than the fact he's seven feet tall, so it kind of throws off the
Speaker 2 camera, has to move back a little. He wasn't bad.
Speaker 58 Well, on the pre-show, Harley Cameron and Anna J beat Megan Brain and Penelope Pitstop.
Speaker 58 And then I really wanted to have time to go back and watch this one, Brian. Apparently,
Speaker 58 A.R. Fox, Commander, Hologram, and Bandito
Speaker 58 took the measure of Trent, Leo Rush, Action Andretti, and Rocky Romero.
Speaker 58 Just to get people warmed up and in the mood to see the 11 matches they're going to see on the pay-per-view.
Speaker 58 And did I mention?
Speaker 58 It was four and a half hours long.
Speaker 58 The pay-per-view.
Speaker 58 Every match was, it was like...
Speaker 58 It was like they were stalling for time until the next match got there in the bad weather.
Speaker 58 Nothing can end anything.
Speaker 2 That's funny. But no,
Speaker 58 think about it. That's the only time I would ever encounter a situation like this where you made your show go four and a half hours on fucking purpose.
Speaker 2 Is it just me or is this Jim Powers match 45 minutes?
Speaker 58 Yeah, I think.
Speaker 58 You know what? At the Super Bowl of Wrestling in Knoxville, I think we went four hours because I couldn't get anybody to goddamn calm down because the place was packed.
Speaker 58 But nevertheless, they were in Glendale, Arizona. I guess that's Outer Phoenix.
Speaker 58 And, Brent, the theme of this show, to me, to be quite honest with you, was jackass wrestling.
Speaker 58 Not a description of the, I'm talking the television show,
Speaker 58 the
Speaker 58 childishness of it.
Speaker 58 You know, what would stupid people do on video to get on jackass or ridiculousness or
Speaker 58 tick tock
Speaker 58 or whatever the kids are on these days doing stupid things
Speaker 58 you go from the wrestling that is obviously making money hand over fist but also is so
Speaker 58 produced and professional and homogenized and
Speaker 58 you know, time to where you get to see everything but the fucking wrestling with all the stars that know what they're doing,
Speaker 58 or you come over here to mostly
Speaker 58 indie-minded guys are going to do the indie-minded things, and there's no control over the show whatsoever from
Speaker 58 corporate. So, you've got complete anarchy, literally,
Speaker 58 which is why they're making jokes about it.
Speaker 58 Where these guys are just allowed to go out and do every goddamn thing that's ever been done in a fucking ring endlessly for as long as they they want, and everybody gets to be the star of the show, which means there ain't no fucking stars.
Speaker 58 And by the time the shit that
Speaker 58 you actually sold people a ticket to maybe see happens, they've seen so much other shit go on
Speaker 58 that they just want to get out of there and get home and fucking take these goddamn tight fucking underwears off.
Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, I don't know how much of it there really was.
Speaker 2 Sometimes you see stuff, and if it's like by an account that typically is just making fun of AEW, sometimes you think, okay, maybe this is not the genuine artifact.
Speaker 2 But there was a lot of footage of people after the anarchy match, before the main event of the show, the Owen Hart tournament final,
Speaker 2 just leaving. I don't know if everyone was just going to the bathroom because
Speaker 2 the experience they just went.
Speaker 58 Because they had an upset stomach. Well, no, after the anarchy match, I wanted to leave, and I was in my house.
Speaker 2 I was pretty tired by that point.
Speaker 58 So
Speaker 2 there was no coming back at that point.
Speaker 58 But that's, it's just so much.
Speaker 58 So, point being, they started out with something that we could ease into because it didn't take much of our time.
Speaker 58 The Owen Hart Tournament Ladies Division final with Mercedes Moon against Jamie Hayter.
Speaker 58 And it looked like an emaciated stripper fighting a kid's birthday clown.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 I'm sorry, but I knew we had a long road a hoe, and I wasn't going to watch.
Speaker 58 I see, I'm not even going to make a fucking pun,
Speaker 58 but I wasn't going to watch either one of these two when we had four hours of shit to go.
Speaker 58 But I'll tell you, Brian, I stopped the fast forward
Speaker 58 twice. And every time, one of these two was either potatoing the other one or landing on their head,
Speaker 58 and that's what the finish was. They went 22 minutes, bell to bell,
Speaker 58 on a show that was going to be four hours long plus.
Speaker 58 It just, it's ridiculous that there's no more
Speaker 58 structure or professionalism put in place.
Speaker 58 But Mercedes, after they'd done
Speaker 58 every goddamn thing you could do,
Speaker 58 she small packaged her and super DDT'd her with a speed.
Speaker 58 This is the first time I've ever seen an attempted small package nearly lead to the end of a career. She just drove her down right on top of her fucking head.
Speaker 58 Boom, one, two, three. I'm sure.
Speaker 58
Could have probably counted to 12. If it had been me, I'd just be like, fuck, I give.
Get the fuck off me. Did you see that small package?
Speaker 2 Oh, I did. That was one of several spots that looked incredibly dangerous or close to dangerous over the last few days.
Speaker 2 I know you haven't seen Raw yet, but there's a spot with Chad Gable in that three-way match where it looked like he came as close as you can get to get him spiked on your head.
Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw it here. And this went a while, this match.
Speaker 58 Yes.
Speaker 58 22 minutes. I counted.
Speaker 58 And Josephine Camel wins with the small package, but that's otherwise than that.
Speaker 2 Owen Hart tournament winner, Nelly. She's Nelly Owen Hart tournament winner.
Speaker 58 Well, and that
Speaker 58 is expected because
Speaker 58 the match that they apparently have that they think is their golden goose of the women's division is her and Tony Storm, right?
Speaker 2
So somehow they're... That's the match happening at Texas.
Yeah.
Speaker 58 Yes. So that's, you know, what's going to happen.
Speaker 58 But I, you know, I hope she doesn't fucking small package Tony Storm like that, for heaven's sake. Luther will need to be an orthopedic surgeon.
Speaker 58 He's a brain surgeon already, but I don't know about the other.
Speaker 2 Who do you put over in that match?
Speaker 58 Oh, God.
Speaker 2 In terms of importance to AEW, not necessarily expense to AEW, who do you put over?
Speaker 58 Tony Storm.
Speaker 58 The people sit, and in some cases, the closer she is to Boston, they politely tolerate her.
Speaker 58 But they sit on their hands when this, again, self-indulgent, insufferably egotistical fucking
Speaker 58 Mercedes moon
Speaker 58
is inflicted on them for all this length of time. They like Tony Storm.
I think it's fucking goofy as.
Speaker 58 Should they like Tony Storm? I would obviously put Tony Storm or anybody else right now over Mercedes.
Speaker 2 All right, well, that took a turn. Just anyone can go over her now.
Speaker 58
Or just anybody. Just beat her.
Just beat her.
Speaker 2
Well, I'm sure this kind of negative coverage. Whip him.
Whip him like a dog.
Speaker 2 As David Crockett would say, that's right.
Speaker 58 Yes, as David Crockett would say it, a Monet Mag is a rag. How about that?
Speaker 58 It was written as a gag.
Speaker 2 You know, everyone makes fun of that line from David Crockett. It's you he's talking about, right? You're the one who's
Speaker 58 whip him, whip him like a dog.
Speaker 2 He got excited. whip him whip him like a dog
Speaker 2 that could be
Speaker 58 that line could be and by the way it's from superstars on the super station the tbs special in 1986 but it could be superimposed over some type of german porn and get a whole new thing going on
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Speaker 58 Well, we didn't get to watch German porn next. We got to watch
Speaker 58 FTR against Danny Garcia and Nigel McGinnis. And
Speaker 58 again, if this wasn't a four-hour show, I would have paid more close attention to this because
Speaker 58 I did think going in it, it could be the only decent wrestling match tonight, except for Garcia's involvement.
Speaker 58 But again, this is more about what they're not doing than what they did.
Speaker 58 FTR's got Stokely, Garcia and Nigel have Daddy Mac,
Speaker 58 that fat-faced fuck.
Speaker 58 It's such a waste of FTR. They're wrestling.
Speaker 58 They've got a manager that hasn't been proven to be affiliated with any main event talent in the past. I know everybody's got to start somewhere, but
Speaker 58 you would hope that the guy that the starting manager got, or the team, or whatever, the entity that the manager got put with would be the thing to elevate him, but they're trying to rehabilitate FTR, who have been so misused and marginalized and
Speaker 58 just negligent.
Speaker 58 And they're wrestling Danny Garcia just because I guess because he's got nothing better to fucking do.
Speaker 58 And they still haven't figured out that that ain't never going to fucking happen.
Speaker 58 Garcia is in no way ever a money fucking guy. He's not a legitimate main event talent.
Speaker 58 And all of the guys working with him, it just, it's ridiculous and like he's at the level of that.
Speaker 58 Nigel
Speaker 58 is a better fucking worker, Garcia, but he's a fucking announcer and has had like two matches in the last 15 years.
Speaker 58 And they've done an angle like that.
Speaker 58 Yes, I could understand if this was the days of
Speaker 58 the, you know, some territory where the beloved,
Speaker 58 you know, Lord Layton in Detroit for the sheet came off the commentary desk to get back in the ring because he was such a big star.
Speaker 58 FTR is one of two tag teams on the roster that could perform in a main event setting.
Speaker 58 And they're doing this and they're like the Hurt Syndicate, where they have no opponents that would mean anything in a money match. So they,
Speaker 58 you know,
Speaker 58 fucking come up with this shit.
Speaker 58 And if it had been a TV match for eight to 10 minutes, minutes,
Speaker 58 there you go.
Speaker 58 But 20 minutes,
Speaker 58 20 minutes.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 again, they had
Speaker 58 Tony come in. No, I'm sorry, it was 22 minutes now that I'm checking my notes.
Speaker 58 But they've got Tony awkwardly trying to check. on Nigel on the floor and FTR is trying to bully him, but Tony looks like he doesn't know what to do because he doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 58 And Garcia
Speaker 58 fought both FTR members in an awkward way, but then they
Speaker 58 grabbed him and Dax pile drove him and got a two count.
Speaker 58 And then they spike pile drove him and got a two count where he got his foot on the ropes. Why do they do pile drivers? You're pile driving the fucking stag of dimes neck, fucking
Speaker 58 blase mid-card guy multiple times to get two counts.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 they get the sharpshooter on Garcia and Cash kept
Speaker 58 Fatface and Nigel out, or Nigel was already on the floor. But Dax had to hold on to this forever until the referee rang the bell.
Speaker 58
So they done all this. fucking up and down stuff throughout the match.
And then they finally, after going 22 minutes with an announcer and a middle card guy,
Speaker 58 they do a stationary finish where
Speaker 58 pile drivers can't stop him but a glorified boston crab
Speaker 58 they
Speaker 58 just why did they just beat him with a spike pile driver
Speaker 58 then he's got it out
Speaker 58 and then it was more exciting than what they got
Speaker 58 Help me understand this.
Speaker 2
I can understand it. I don't understand why it went so long.
I don't understand why they keep trying to elevate Garcia when it ain't going to work.
Speaker 2
Someone wrote in because now he's wearing like yellow trunks and red boots. What's this guy's name? Let's give him credit.
Sean from New York. They should call him Sulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 Not bad.
Speaker 58 But I mean, how did it even help him to?
Speaker 58 Yeah.
Speaker 58
I kicked out of the spike pile driver, but then the fucking sharpshooter. I was just, oh my gosh.
I laid here for a minute and finally referee said, well, he ain't going to do shit.
Speaker 2 Because there's no supervision. supervision who's supervising all this who's in charge who's in charge of the booking of all this who's the one saying what's going on that's the person at fault
Speaker 2 this is just none of it and ftr like you said with stokely
Speaker 2 how many start and stops has stokely gotten in nxt and now here
Speaker 2 where it's like okay this guy seems to have a rap
Speaker 2
all right and now he's kind of a joke character and now he's gone Oh, now he's here again. And now he's managing women.
And he's got some jokes, some witty line, and now he's gone.
Speaker 2 And now he's with FTR. It's a new thing,
Speaker 2 but it's a new heel thing. You don't have new baby faces to work with.
Speaker 2 And quite frankly, mid-card Daniel Garcia
Speaker 2 and Nigel, who, like you said, really hasn't done, I mean, he hasn't done anything in 15 years other than two matches.
Speaker 2
It went forever. There was no reason for it to.
The finish made no sense.
Speaker 58 Well, speaking of things that don't make a lot of sense,
Speaker 58 they had a stretcher match between Ricochet and Mark Briscoe.
Speaker 58 And the reason why that
Speaker 58 we were subjected to the stretcher match apparently is because
Speaker 58 I think I told you this on the last show, but it was revealed on the internet that
Speaker 58 the first ECW show that Tony Khan went to, or the first one he went to in Philadelphia or whatever, there was a stretcher match on the cards. So he knew, right? He had to have a stretcher match.
Speaker 58 The Mark Booker saw one when he was a kid. So let's have a stretcher match with
Speaker 58 large amounts of blood and they're not going to use the ring at all
Speaker 58 on the undercard of a fucking 10 or 12 man conglomeration cluster fuck match where they don't use the ring at all.
Speaker 58 What the fuck is wrong with these people?
Speaker 58 The ambulance was in the back of the arena. The stretcher was a gurney with wheels, like that the fire department would have.
Speaker 58 And Ricochet again jump-started it, and Mark Briscoe fought back. And they went up the ramp and fought to the ambulance.
Speaker 58 And then they fought at ringside.
Speaker 58 And then Mark did an elbow off the apron onto the stretcher. And
Speaker 58 he used a chair on him multiple times and pulled out a table.
Speaker 58 It was five minutes in.
Speaker 58 And I wrote, they haven't stepped foot in the fucking ring yet.
Speaker 58 And then, but then Ricochet, with a heel move,
Speaker 58 he pushed it back underneath the.
Speaker 58 They have a goddamn garbage match later.
Speaker 58 So they're having a two-man garbage match before they have the 10-man garbage match.
Speaker 58 And they were, I wrote, still fighting on the floor, still fighting on the floor.
Speaker 58 At seven minutes into this match, they got in the ring with Mark Briscoe bringing in a bucket of spray cleaner.
Speaker 58 And he got Ricochet in a headlock.
Speaker 58 sprayed his head with Windex and shined it with a cloth and then hit him with a bucket.
Speaker 58 And then they got back out of the ring.
Speaker 58 And I started fast-forwarding at that point
Speaker 58 because it's just
Speaker 58 they went back to the fucking ambulance. Mark Briscoe was bleeding buckets.
Speaker 58 I don't know what they attributed it to, but
Speaker 58 he did the fire extinguisher spot where he sprayed the fire extinguisher out of the ambulance.
Speaker 58 It went back to the ring and did the elbow off the top rope, putting the guy through the fucking table.
Speaker 58 And they fought on the floor and went back to the ambulance.
Speaker 58 And Briscoe got the golden scissors away from Ricochet.
Speaker 58 But Ricochet found a second pair of regular colored scissors.
Speaker 58 They may not have the same amount of powers,
Speaker 58 but he stabbed him with the second scissors and threw him in the ambulance and slammed the door.
Speaker 58 Out of 16 minutes,
Speaker 58 they spent one minute in the fucking ring.
Speaker 58 And they did the whole garbage match deal before the garbage match that they had booked. It was the main event.
Speaker 58 Again, Brian, help me in trying to understand.
Speaker 2 I can't, you always ask for help when you know I can't help. Was this the bloodiest match you ever saw with Mark Briscoe?
Speaker 58 Oh, God, no.
Speaker 58 The Briscoes were,
Speaker 58 you know, free bleeders,
Speaker 58 but it's not the point.
Speaker 58 It's not the point. Besides the fact, here's the thing.
Speaker 58 They're stabbing each other with scissors. Later on, the plumber
Speaker 58 is going to stab Hobbs with what was apparently either a fork or some type of cutlery.
Speaker 58 And Hobbes got a little pap smear.
Speaker 58 What difference would it have made?
Speaker 58 if he'd have bled out because you've already seen Mark Briscoe look like he's bleeding out and he's going to come back and interfere in the garbage match. That's right.
Speaker 58 Without getting cleaned up in the interceding hour and a half.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 the point is,
Speaker 58 it was the match before the match with the blood and the gimmicks and the not using the ring and the whole nine yards.
Speaker 58 They can't just do one of anything, even in the same night.
Speaker 58 What about the tag team title match, Brian?
Speaker 58 Should we move on to that? The Hurt Syndicate, Dustin, and Sammy.
Speaker 58 I think this was the shortest match of the night at 13 minutes, and
Speaker 58 maybe the only thing that
Speaker 58 actually accomplished anything besides
Speaker 58 repetition and boredom.
Speaker 58 But again, it illustrated
Speaker 58 this could have been a TV match. It was here so that MJF would be at ringside with the Hurts Syndicate
Speaker 58 for the first time and,
Speaker 58 you know, further that story and get the Hurts another win because
Speaker 58 obviously there's nobody set up to remotely even beat them.
Speaker 58 But again, this is a TV match. It's not a world tag team title match for a pay-per-view.
Speaker 58 But it's not like they had any other choice. There are no other teams.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 I love Dustin's work, but I think this was better when Sammy was in because
Speaker 58 the Hurts don't care how far they throw him. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 Yeah, I saw a little bit of that in this match. I thought Shelton worked.
Speaker 58 Well, I mean, you can't be disrespectful to Dustin, but Sammy, you can fling away.
Speaker 2 Yeah, this was quick, and that was probably for the best.
Speaker 2 And I don't know who they're going to work with or where they're going to go next.
Speaker 58 Well, finally, what happened was
Speaker 58 MJF had
Speaker 58 offered the ring, the dynamite diamond ring to Shelton Benjamin, but Lashley told him, hey,
Speaker 58
get down off the apron. And they went back and forth for a minute.
And then MJF ended up gouging Dustin's eyes and went for the punch with the ring.
Speaker 58
But that's where Lashley stopped him and smiled at him and then speared Dustin through the rail. And then Shelton knee lifts, super kick, Sammy.
There you go. One, two, three.
Speaker 58 So
Speaker 58 at least they have avoided this trap
Speaker 58 of thinking they need to hit people with 80 goddamn different things to beat them and kill it everybody's finishing the process.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58
this, again, it was a TV match to further the MJF story. Nobody thought Dustin and Sammy were going to win.
Nobody should have thought it.
Speaker 58 And there should be a,
Speaker 58 if this is their big fucking pay-per-view,
Speaker 58 why is the world tag team title match meaningless?
Speaker 58 You dumb shit. Sets.
Speaker 58 Final comments from you.
Speaker 2 Who will stop the hurt business? Who will be able to get together an unexpected tag team and stop these men from conquering AEW forever?
Speaker 58 Well, I think Vince McMahon stopped the hurt business, but the hurt syndicate
Speaker 2 doing.
Speaker 2 Did I do that? That's what Jeff Jarrett did on the pre-show, too.
Speaker 2 Sorry, guys. The Hurt Syndicate.
Speaker 58 All right. It's a monkey bizmeth now.
Speaker 58 There was a match for another title belt.
Speaker 58 What's it named? The Continental.
Speaker 58 What was the other belt they had that was
Speaker 58 along with the Continental? The International. Not Intercontinental, but
Speaker 58 International. Do they still have that? Who's that champion?
Speaker 2 That champion.
Speaker 2 Is it Omega?
Speaker 58 You can't look it up. That's not fair.
Speaker 2
I'm not looking it up. That was my pen.
That was my pen. Who is
Speaker 2 it Omega?
Speaker 58 I don't know.
Speaker 58 Who knows? But they had a belt. So they had a match for it.
Speaker 58
With Oblada, our friend from Japan, Oblada, that's what somebody said on Twitter. And I think I like that.
Oblada, because blah.
Speaker 58 And Hong Kong Fui, they're trolling us now, Brian.
Speaker 58 As the kids say, they are trolling. I can hear Ernie Ladd say, you're trolling me now.
Speaker 58 You are trolling Mid-South wrestling.
Speaker 58 Why would
Speaker 58 I don't know why you would do this, but this
Speaker 58 the one little hyperactive shit can't stop moving.
Speaker 58 And the other guy is a laziest wrestler in major league sports.
Speaker 2 I enjoyed this. And
Speaker 2 what the, I enjoyed this because,
Speaker 2
you know, usually I don't like matches when I know, you know, exactly who's going to win. Like there's no chance, nothing's going to happen.
It's going to be Okada winning.
Speaker 2 But watching Speedball do everything in the world to him and Okada.
Speaker 2 I mean, at times his way of selling is just like kneeling and looking exhausted,
Speaker 2 but knowing he's going to win and eventually you know when they get there knowing that people online are going to be like okada did it again another fantastic okada performance
Speaker 2 i got a kick out of this match but okada's a slug
Speaker 58 what about what about that one time when he wiped his brow brian
Speaker 58 That's selling.
Speaker 2
I mean, that was over the top. Next level selling.
You don't even understand the sweat.
Speaker 58 I just watched the
Speaker 58
one kid is play acting. I mean, he maybe his childhood wasn't happy.
He was a lonely kid and
Speaker 58 he dreamed up this thing that
Speaker 58 he could fucking be in his mind where he's the martial arts hero of,
Speaker 58 you know, fucking Roosevelt Elementary or something.
Speaker 2 No, he really is a black belt, apparently.
Speaker 58 Well,
Speaker 58 so was my cousin Larry.
Speaker 2 In Kata.
Speaker 58 My cousin Larry was a black belt and taekwondo
Speaker 2 did he ever use it did he ever just throw kicks like crazy like speedball
Speaker 58 yeah what they tried to show us how he could break a board with a kick and missed it and kicked the foundation broke his foot
Speaker 58 but he was a legitimate black belt he went through the course and everything
Speaker 2
Well, you know, you anyway, you pick on a lot of guys for being small. And sometimes I think it's unfair in comparison to some of the other people that are around.
You know, sometimes it works.
Speaker 2 This guy's really small.
Speaker 2 And that's one of the reasons I got a kick out of this match was because it was just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 Because Okada is not the biggest guy, but in AEW, he's pretty big, I guess.
Speaker 58 Well, he's six foot three, according to the announcers.
Speaker 2
But this guy's so slow. Yeah, now he's dying his hair.
Did he dye it gray?
Speaker 58 Well, yes,
Speaker 58
hold on. That's what I was going to mention.
When you talk about Hong Kong Fuyi being small,
Speaker 58 he is. He's microscopic, but also
Speaker 58 he's got a head that's just a little bit too large for that small body. So it makes the body look even more comically
Speaker 58 tiny.
Speaker 58 But it's just, it's ridiculous. And with
Speaker 58 Oblada,
Speaker 58 yes, instead of being bleached blonde now and looking like some kind of,
Speaker 58 you know, weird Japanese club employee, now he looks like a fucking parking attendant from Sapporo. He's,
Speaker 58
I didn't know you could dye your hair salt and pepper. Because it looks, it's, it's brown, but it looks like brown hair naturally going gray.
Or did he just
Speaker 58 has he been gone long enough that he was able to grow that out and we didn't notice it?
Speaker 2 I don't know what it definitely goes with that new outfit of his, the oversized suit for an old man. Like it works together.
Speaker 58 Looks like he's, if he was wearing waders, he'd be ready to go out fishing.
Speaker 2 His new gimmick is he's an old fisherman from okinawa
Speaker 58 but anyway so that's the point is i mean this is another little video game match on the one kid's part i think they ought to put
Speaker 58 spitball in the women's division where it looks visually like he'd have a chance he makes pockets look like stan hansen
Speaker 58 uh but he's treating it like a little video game thing and
Speaker 58 Old Okada's treating it like, I'm going to get another big check from this fucking mark for doing as little as possible and barely hitting the mat.
Speaker 58 He's the laziest bastard in wrestling,
Speaker 58 and he reacts and falls as slowly and easily as possible.
Speaker 58 And then the baby face looks and acts like a complete douchebag.
Speaker 58 So, in 15 minutes, Okada won with a shitty clothesline. He didn't even, he didn't cheat, he just beat him.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 fucking the
Speaker 58 this kid so obnoxious on any level. How would even the modern wrestling fan take this kid as a babyface when he's like a malfunctioning energizer bunny at a comic con?
Speaker 2 Have you heard his promo?
Speaker 58 And though I can only imagine that it's at a delivered at a tone so high that only fucking SEALs in the Arctic can hear it.
Speaker 2 Well, it sounds like you've seen his promo.
Speaker 2 Yeah.
Speaker 2 You know, my thing has been and i've said it before
Speaker 2 if tony's gonna sign a lot of guys that are smaller
Speaker 2 which it'll be funny when wwe to stop that just starts signing all these tiny guys
Speaker 2 then he should literally just have a weight division and make it something marketable you know see the
Speaker 2 you know the young small tiny guys really get in there and They're faster and quicker than those big heavyweights we don't have.
Speaker 58 They can get into all those tight orifices, ladies and gentlemen. They're so small and tiny, they can insinuate themselves inside.
Speaker 2 They announced him, I think, at 170. If they announced him at 170 pounds, how much does he actually weigh?
Speaker 58 He's not as big as Brian Hildebrand,
Speaker 58 Mark Curtis for the uninitiated. And,
Speaker 58 you know, that's again, but the thing is, it's not about the size with him, it's about the overall un
Speaker 58 marketability of this annoying, obnoxious, goofy little kid that has been somehow let loose at the adults'
Speaker 58 party.
Speaker 58 That he's just he's like the annoying Comic-Con cosplayer where he's hopping around on the floor of the convention acting like Hong Kong Fui and doing his pose with his fist in his hand.
Speaker 58 And he's got a mouth guard,
Speaker 58 which I just thought those were the whitest teeth anybody had ever come across, but apparently there it's a mouth guard.
Speaker 58 But again, I see he looks like Ricky Steamboat's daughter.
Speaker 58 What the fuck?
Speaker 58 It's just.
Speaker 2 But again, if they had a 150-pound weight division or something, and you have him, you have Orange Campus.
Speaker 58
He still wouldn't be. No, put Connor McGregor in the fucking thing or whatever.
He still wouldn't be an attraction at any weight, unsafe at any speed is what this fucking guy is.
Speaker 58
I'm just, the whole thing is goofiness. It's like the AEW equivalent of T.L.
Hopper, this guy's gimmick. It's so blatantly fucking stupid.
Speaker 58
And he's hopping around on his bare feet. Somebody stomp his goddamn foot.
Stomp his foot, kick him in the shin, grab his fucking balls.
Speaker 58 You just won the match.
Speaker 58 Would you like to talk about the next match that didn't involve any balls, Brian?
Speaker 2
Another one of those stellar transitions. I'm not sure.
I don't remember what the next match was. So I don't want to commit to anything.
Speaker 58 Well, it was the women's title match with Tony Storm and Mina Mellons.
Speaker 58 You didn't want to see this?
Speaker 58 Is everybody involved in this hokey horseshit on the Kratom, Brian?
Speaker 58 Could that explain it that they are 80% like
Speaker 58 Jelly Nutella says, and boy, a more reputable source you've never found for information, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 58 You think 80% of these people are on some kind of fucking truck stop opiate that is clouding their
Speaker 58 judgment-making skills?
Speaker 2
You know, I don't want to get bogged down with this here. We probably have to return to this on a later show, but we've actually been inundated with.
feedback from people
Speaker 2
pro and against it. People who say that it saved their life and they use it all the time.
And then people who said, it almost destroyed my life. It says
Speaker 2 heroin.
Speaker 58
Literally, the next email, one email will say, I owe my life to Kratom. And the other one will say, stay away from this devil's drug.
It's horrible. I was addicted.
Speaker 2 So we'll return to that. But allegedly, a lot of people may be on it.
Speaker 58 Well, the point is, Tony Storm, okay.
Speaker 58 The people, the people that like AEW, they love her. She's the most popular woman on the roster.
Speaker 58 I think it's so fucking over-the-top ridiculous that it could have been, it could have been something that was cool and got the same result
Speaker 58 if they had
Speaker 58 the rest of the world play it a little straighter and let Tony be the, but nevertheless.
Speaker 58 But now they're trying to build her and
Speaker 58 old Mercedes moan, but they've also, they've got to establish, you can still
Speaker 58 see Kenny's finger in the talent roster
Speaker 58 because they got to establish all these Japanese girls that have to jump around and
Speaker 58 do the whole thing for people who want to laugh at wrestling. This whole show is for people who want to laugh at wrestling.
Speaker 58 People should laugh at this show, but the problem is this show makes people laugh at all wrestling.
Speaker 58 And the only thing to me that makes Tony Storm's gimmick
Speaker 58 any worse is that fat fuck Luther that has to be comedy on top of comedy.
Speaker 58 Because everybody's got a,
Speaker 58 it's slapstick, it's Keystone cops. Nobody can fucking help themselves.
Speaker 58
And so they had this match that they've built up for 15 minutes. Tony Storm hits a pile driver on her one, two, three.
At least the pile driver still works on the women.
Speaker 58 And then Tony Storm was apologizing that she had to do that to her. And the girl that got pile driven in 30 seconds was okay enough to be up and kiss and make out with Tony Storm.
Speaker 58 And this audience thinks there's nothing at all
Speaker 58 ridiculous about this whole goddamn thing
Speaker 2 well i think tony storm is like orange cassidy it's an
Speaker 2 it's an act it's a comedy act that they really like
Speaker 2 being into
Speaker 2 tony can actually work tony's actually one of the best women workers out there and she's developed this gimmick and yes
Speaker 2 You know, it works for them, I guess. It doesn't necessarily work for me.
Speaker 2 Her and Monet, I am interested to see that.
Speaker 58 I'm afraid that Tony Storm will come out.
Speaker 58 Tony Storm compared to Mercedes-Moon as far as a draw is 10 to 1 what
Speaker 2 little
Speaker 58 Josephine Camel will ever be.
Speaker 2 You think Mercedes-Monet may have a tractor accident before the match?
Speaker 58 Well, no, what I'm saying is that Mercedes also has a high opinion of herself and her alleged abilities and apparently has her own writer and her own team that can't
Speaker 58 help her when she gets lost in the woods.
Speaker 58 But I have a feeling that Tony Storm will suffer because Mercedes Moon has a bigger team and bigger pull and considers herself a bigger star.
Speaker 58 And Tony Storm is far and away the person who should win that match. But I don't see the other bitch doing the job.
Speaker 2 All right. You really hate her.
Speaker 2 It's really coming out now.
Speaker 58 The money that she's getting for what she's contributing and the phoniness of her and the insufferable douchebaggery of her.
Speaker 2
You know what? I just heard the other day. Hold on, I'm going to look this up to make sure I got it right.
I was shocked to hear this. Do you know how old Mina Shirakawa is?
Speaker 58 I do not have any idea.
Speaker 2 37.
Speaker 58 37. Well, that's a good round number to retire on.
Speaker 2
All right. Well, we're moving on now.
In the old days of Japanese women's wrestling, they retired at 26.
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Speaker 2 We now move on
Speaker 2 to another thing here.
Speaker 58 Another thing.
Speaker 2 What was next on this show?
Speaker 58
Well, I'll tell you what was next on the show. Smiley Roberts.
Smiley Roberts was in the ring.
Speaker 58 And this began
Speaker 58 45 minutes of pure
Speaker 58 indie wrestling delight.
Speaker 58 There were
Speaker 58 people with Cheeto-stained fingers and sweaty jowls and potential boils on their perennium.
Speaker 58 They were literally pleasuring themselves for the next 45 minutes when all the kids got to come out and play and have fun.
Speaker 58 And Smiley set the tone. As the ring announcer, he's there in a goddamn
Speaker 58 dressed up suit and he he looks down in the front row, apparently, at some child and says, cover your ears, and then says, oh, shit.
Speaker 58 They had the ring announcer say, oh, shit.
Speaker 2 He was more than happy to say it, it seemed.
Speaker 58 And oh, he's always happy.
Speaker 58 This is anarchy in the arena.
Speaker 58 Why did they have to have this fucking
Speaker 58 the ring announcer say, oh, shit, because ah,
Speaker 58 it is a warning now. Get out with your sanity while you still can.
Speaker 58 What if they had told Howard Finkel in Madison Square Garden, Howard, go out there when you plug the next card and say, Oh,
Speaker 58 Undertaker's back.
Speaker 58 So
Speaker 58 can you see Finkel's?
Speaker 2 I'm trying to hear his voice saying, Yes,
Speaker 2 and oh
Speaker 58 shit, oh shit, yes,
Speaker 2 it's repo man.
Speaker 58 I don't remember if I ever heard Finkel say the word shit.
Speaker 2 Whose idea was it? Was it Justin Roberts like, hey, hey, boss, I got a great idea. Is it okay if I do this? Or was Tony like, listen, I got a great idea.
Speaker 2 It came to me in hour 47 of my four days up. And here's what it is.
Speaker 58
Well, anyway, they started the entrances. and here came Swerve out.
And now he's wearing some kind of science fiction costume. Was that
Speaker 58 some recognized character, Brian, or is he just having, they're spending some of their extra money? Everybody's got a science fiction fucking outfit now.
Speaker 58 Did you recognize it from any pop culture, anything? Or did you pay any attention?
Speaker 2 Yeah, I didn't really pay attention to his outfit as he came out. This is...
Speaker 58 What about him? This is is their big thing.
Speaker 2 This is their big thing. This is like, you know, their Grammys,
Speaker 2
their anarchy in the arena. So that's the night you get dressed up.
That's the night you go out and you get your finest shoes and suit.
Speaker 58 But what about Swerve's gimmick is the most dangerous man in AEW? And that he does all these horrible things. What about it is science fiction?
Speaker 58 What part of him is supposed to be in a video game?
Speaker 58 But then here came Willow,
Speaker 58 dressed like Plowgirl Frazier.
Speaker 58 And that's when I realized the girls are in this match too.
Speaker 58 And of course, since they never
Speaker 58 really actually all appear in the same place at the same time, you can't really tell who's on whose team, but the girls, allegedly, till the end, we're going to fight each other.
Speaker 58 But yeah, so this most dangerous match in the history of all danger.
Speaker 58 Everybody comes dressed up in funny costumes and girls can play too.
Speaker 58 And then when Hobbs and Shapupi came out,
Speaker 58 Samoa Joe was introduced, but he didn't come out.
Speaker 58 And actually, when the other two walked out, the people were chanting for Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. He didn't show up.
Speaker 58 He comes out later on when the fight starts.
Speaker 58 And then here came Kenny.
Speaker 58 And he came out with a garbage can, which was apropos.
Speaker 58 And the garbage can lid was painted like Captain America's shield, but with his
Speaker 58 insignia on it.
Speaker 58 And I wrote, it's Halloween for all these kids.
Speaker 58 They've always dreamed of doing this. And now they have found a guy with unlimited amounts of money that will let them play
Speaker 58 like they always wanted to.
Speaker 58 And then here came Dick the Boozer and Wheeler Useless and Claudio and Marina Schaefer. They made their stagger through the crowd.
Speaker 58 And then,
Speaker 58 of course, because the EVPs are involved, they've even got more pull than everybody else.
Speaker 58 They not only get to wear funny outfits, but they get to be able to tell the ring announcer to do their own ring introduction and they get their own silly music.
Speaker 58 And they play the fuck, it's the fife and drum music because it's Memorial Day and there's silly verbiage that's supposedly comedy, but it's not funny.
Speaker 58 But they get a kick out of it. The crowd doesn't react.
Speaker 58 And after they joke with the funny music and the overdone introduction about how
Speaker 58 these people are our founding fathers, the buckaroos walk out dressed like Benjamin Franklin or like Jerry Seinfeld in the Puffy Shirt episode.
Speaker 58 And nobody cares.
Speaker 58 They're wasting minutes on this. This is the goddamn, this whole hokey outlaw bullshit match is the idea of these little jackoffs from Kookamunga
Speaker 58 to get attention and do anything that their little hearts can desire and think of to do because the mark is paying for it all.
Speaker 58 that was originally thought of to be the ultimate mud show bullshit to make up for and hide their shortcomings that they can't work and they can't put matches together and they can't sell tickets on their ability.
Speaker 58 So we'll just throw a bunch of fucking bullshit out there and it'll be a
Speaker 58 spectacle
Speaker 58 and people will watch the car wreck and we can take credit for that. But now
Speaker 58 They're parodying
Speaker 58 their own parody. They're making fun of the thing that they came up with to make fun of the business and built the billionaire money mark
Speaker 58 tony
Speaker 58 not only pays for this but has to pay to put it on television
Speaker 58 and they're just jacking around and pay for all the and pay for the music
Speaker 58 i think it's five times the limit before you
Speaker 58 have to pay a significant more amounted rights fees. But
Speaker 58
so they do 12 minutes of entrances. And then the baby faces jump started.
Imagine that in the entranceway.
Speaker 58 And they go to a quadruple box,
Speaker 58 not a double box, not even a triple box, a quadruple box.
Speaker 58 Brian, I have an 82-inch television and I couldn't tell what was going on in four different pictures at the same time. when,
Speaker 58 especially because they were just using four different camera angles, but that that didn't mean that the camera
Speaker 58 that was trying to shoot whatever scene was going on was able to catch it because they obviously hadn't blocked this thing in a professional basis.
Speaker 58 It was like, yeah, we're going to go over there and over there and do that and that. And you just shoot it.
Speaker 58 So it was all over the fucking place.
Speaker 58 Joe and Claudio go out to the parking lot.
Speaker 58 They're still playing the fife and drum music. The girls are fighting each other on the floor.
Speaker 58 And then Kenny's got to be funny.
Speaker 58 And so
Speaker 58 he says, gets on the microphone or signals to change the music and they start playing. I'm so excited.
Speaker 58 And then Kenny says, no, no,
Speaker 58 we want some 2000s alternative rock. And they play.
Speaker 58 Let the bodies hit the floor five times through from that point on,
Speaker 58 stopping and starting it over again. Tellingly, when the music stops in between till they can re-rack it and start it again, there's usually no goddamn noise in the building
Speaker 58 because it sounds from my description like a lot was going on, but it's still, it's fake looking shit that you couldn't see or follow,
Speaker 58 not involving the ring.
Speaker 58 Everybody walk fighting everywhere. And that's where the group of
Speaker 58 a dozen or so security security guys came in because they would go from place to place
Speaker 58 and then stand there
Speaker 58 in a tightly packed group for somebody to jump off something into them.
Speaker 58 And then that's where Moxley was.
Speaker 58 Mark Briscoe bled to the point where you thought he'd need a transfusion in one of the preliminary matches.
Speaker 58 But Moxley is stabbing Hobbes with a fork in the head over and over and over
Speaker 58 and almost nothing.
Speaker 58 And then the girls were in the parking lot.
Speaker 58 Willow, quote unquote, broke a bottle over Marina Schaefer's head and she didn't go down.
Speaker 58 Did you see that part?
Speaker 2 I did.
Speaker 58 She didn't go down from having a bottle broken over her head.
Speaker 58 because they they wouldn't in the movie that they're seeing in their heads that they're getting paid by this billionaire man child to star in
Speaker 58 so
Speaker 58 it's supposed to be dangerous but everything looks fake
Speaker 58 and nobody's taking it seriously
Speaker 58 and
Speaker 58 finally they stopped the music as i said maybe they got the goddamn
Speaker 58 signal they can't play it anymore And then
Speaker 58 they chained Willow's ear to the ring post.
Speaker 58 They broke some more tables,
Speaker 58 some more pile drivers that didn't hurt anybody. Marina Schaefer was bleeding, but she was beating up the guys.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 as I said, the music was helping.
Speaker 58 But after a while, everybody was just staring at this shit
Speaker 58 because it was on and on
Speaker 58 and on.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 at one point, Nana drove Swerve out on a forklift so he could jump off of it.
Speaker 58 And then everybody got a sleeper.
Speaker 58 And then they got out of that by getting the staple guns. And
Speaker 58 Brian,
Speaker 58 unless you use it like a brass knuckle, what good is it?
Speaker 58 Why would you staple somebody if you were to fight with them?
Speaker 2 You know, of the whole match and all the problems you have with and everything, this was the stuff I had the biggest problem with, the staple gun.
Speaker 2 Not only was it stupid, but it just caused Swerve's Strickland to non-stop want to stick out his tongue at the camera for the rest of the day.
Speaker 58 Yes,
Speaker 58 because this surgeon, and by the way, when we finish reviewing the roster and we get to the S's.
Speaker 58 I think I may have already kept Swerve because he was a champion or is he a champion or something?
Speaker 58 I'm rethinking it because he's a fucking moron. He's a stupid, stupid individual because he's always doing some shit like this.
Speaker 58 He's in a blood-drinking spot where he's letting somebody here
Speaker 58 staple his tongue with a real staple gun and a real staple.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 there are some
Speaker 58 weird individuals who go, oh, yeah, that's cool. No, what that is is a stupid, stupid individual.
Speaker 58 And if you look up to people who staple their own tongues with a staple gun, you are a stupid, stupid person looking up at a stupid, stupid individual.
Speaker 58 It's not going to win anybody a fight. It just makes wrestling look like
Speaker 58 bite the head off the fucking chicken at the fair and get it over with. If you want to be low-class, jelly Nutella pond scum-sucking
Speaker 58 sideshow freaks.
Speaker 58 But nobody used the staple gun like a brass knuckle. Everybody stapled their tongues and their titties.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 Moxley gave Willow an RKO
Speaker 58 because it's pay-per-view, so he could.
Speaker 58 And then Kenny
Speaker 58 gave Marina Schaefer that begonia suplex.
Speaker 58 But I'm thinking, if Kenny did it to Marina, that can't be called man-on-woman violence, can it?
Speaker 58 In the truest sense of the word,
Speaker 58 I choose not to answer.
Speaker 2
I don't know why you're throwing this in. Kenny's a man, she's a woman.
It's man-on-woman violence.
Speaker 58 Well,
Speaker 58 it's where their hearts lay.
Speaker 58 So then
Speaker 58 the Buckaroos double super kicked everybody, including Willow. Willow didn't go down
Speaker 58
from the Buckaroos double super kick. Of course, I could kind of understand that.
It would have been unrealistic if she had.
Speaker 58 Hook showed up with a golf club and beat the shit out of Claudio with it and then walked out. Okay,
Speaker 58 thanks for coming down and throwing in your contribution.
Speaker 2 Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 58
I don't know. He came down with a golf club and just beat up Claudio because he had the chance.
And
Speaker 58 plus, his Uber was out back, so he needed to leave. They were running overtime.
Speaker 58 So then Joe got the choke on Moxley. And here came Gabe Kidd,
Speaker 58 the
Speaker 58 true value of Josh Alexander. I swear to God, why don't they just be a brother team?
Speaker 58 If you put fucking a bald guy of kind of a slim build and a fucking beard, put the headgear on both of them, you can't tell them apart.
Speaker 58 And he pile drove
Speaker 58 Kenny.
Speaker 58 And then Wheeler put tacks in Kenny's mouth and gave him a shitty knee lift that was nowhere near his mouth.
Speaker 58 But again, let's put thumb tax in his mouth. Why?
Speaker 58 They're both childish. And
Speaker 58 again, this is an audition for jackass or whatever their modern version of it is. Hey, let's show everybody we're stupid people doing stupid shit on video and people will notice us.
Speaker 58 And forever, we'll be known as that stupid guy that did that stupid thing.
Speaker 58 And then Briscoe came in
Speaker 58 and dove in and fought Gabe Kidd, and the girls were back up and still fighting.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 they locked Moxley's group in the ambulance so Kenny and Swerve could beat up the buckaroos.
Speaker 58 And then Nana gave Swerve a pair of tennis shoes with
Speaker 58 thumbtacks on the soles.
Speaker 58 So the Swerve could take time to.
Speaker 2
You know, that'd be a great song title. That's deep.
Thumbtacks on the soles.
Speaker 58 Thumbtacks on the soles.
Speaker 58 He took his regular boots off and put the fucking tennis shoes with the thumbtacks on the soles on.
Speaker 58 And then Kenny
Speaker 58 gave the one-winged fairy to one of the buckaroos off the stage onto an exploding table.
Speaker 58 It didn't really blow up like to kill all of them, unfortunately.
Speaker 58 But there was like a small amount of pyro wired to it so that when they landed and it broke in the middle, you could see the shit that was wired underneath it where it went pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.
Speaker 58 I swear to God,
Speaker 58 they literally put a fucking table wired with a minimum amount of pyro next to the stage for no other reason through the whole show than for them to jump off onto
Speaker 58 just so they got to take a bump in an exploding table, Brian.
Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, of all the stupid things in the match, and again, I hate the thumbtacks, and
Speaker 2 there are things I really hate in the match. The random exploding table out of nowhere nowhere in the middle
Speaker 58 yes yes
Speaker 2 who wired it
Speaker 2 what is it doing there who put it there
Speaker 58 so we could take our bump onto it
Speaker 2 but it exists for no other purpose exactly what explodes nothing goes in the air
Speaker 58 So then Swerve came off the top with a double stomp on buck number two with the thumbtack shoes and covered him one, two, three,
Speaker 58 and then stuck his tongue out and showed everybody the staple that was in his tongue. I want to have these people had their shots.
Speaker 58 Tetanus, rabies, malaria, AIDS,
Speaker 58 whatever the
Speaker 58 random variety of communicable disillusion, hepatitis.
Speaker 58 So I'm rethinking if I kept any of these fuckwits involved in this, poor Hobbes, he just lost trying to find a friend but i'm rethinking it if they would take part in this 35 minute match
Speaker 58 45 or more with entrances
Speaker 58 self-indulgent stupid not good for the business takes no talent
Speaker 58 and they're all delusional
Speaker 58 Did I cover all the high points?
Speaker 2 It sounds like a five-star match to me, if ever.
Speaker 2 Yeah, you covered all the points. We've seen them do their
Speaker 2 arena shows originally with no one there in the stadium.
Speaker 58 And they're headed in that direction again.
Speaker 2
Remember, Matt Hardy Transported. Like, they've been doing this kind of stupid shit since the very beginning.
I hate that fucking let the bodies hit the floor song. I know you used it for OVW.
Speaker 2 No disrespect, OVW. I hate that fucking song.
Speaker 2
He hadn't even called it alternative rock. That's not alternative rock in any way.
What is he talking about?
Speaker 58 Well, Kitty, there's a lot of alternatives to Kitty, but we had a nice snappy video to the song.
Speaker 58 We didn't play it for 20 minutes straight while we were goddamn wandering around fucking throwing shit at each other.
Speaker 2
Yeah, no, I hate it. I hated it when it came out.
I hate it now. I can't pretend it's not an awful song.
But
Speaker 2 this is what they wanted. Their big spectacle leading up to the big
Speaker 2 Texas show. Those dastardly heels were so foolish they all got locked in an ambulance.
Speaker 2 Why was the ambulance there? If the ambulance was there,
Speaker 2 I guess it didn't take Briscoe out, it just
Speaker 2 he was in there and then someone took him out.
Speaker 58 And then they just forgot to move the ambulance.
Speaker 2 Hey, we got it for the night. Why not just leave it here?
Speaker 58 Yeah, it's not in a way or anything.
Speaker 58 It's this, it's a parody of wrestling concocted by, you know, from the top down, kids who dreamed about doing this
Speaker 58 as children and all the cool things they'd get to do. And then suddenly somebody's plopped literally a half a billion dollars in front of them and said, okay, go ahead.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 the actual profession suffers because of it, but
Speaker 58 we get this.
Speaker 2 Well, Jim, before we plop along here, you know, after a match like that, both the audience and the participants may either feel beat up or amped up. You really don't know.
Speaker 2
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Speaker 2 All right, you know what that means. It's the downbeat portion of the show, meaning everyone left the building after anarchy in the arena, but we couldn't.
Speaker 2 And there was more, and it wasn't even, I forgot it wasn't even just the world title, it wasn't even the world title, the Owen Hart tournament finals, the main event.
Speaker 2
It was another match that I definitely didn't watch. I apologize that anyone upset.
I didn't watch the next match.
Speaker 58 Well, after 45 minutes of the previous folder all, they thought, well, this will be a good time to put a six-man tag team match on
Speaker 58 with Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly, and Roddy Strong
Speaker 58 against take a shit, Josh Alexander, and our friend Kyle Felcher. And I wrote seriously after that.
Speaker 58 Now, even if people didn't leave,
Speaker 58
they had to get up and piss. They had to go get a drink or something, probably eat again.
I'm sure it had been days since lunch. So
Speaker 58 I can understand maybe
Speaker 58 since all of Tony's children's angles are important,
Speaker 58 you you know, that, okay, put the six-man tag on that absolutely nobody bought this pay-per-view to see
Speaker 58 and give them eight to ten minutes with entrances and have a nice match and bring the people
Speaker 58 down to some kind of baseline a little bit so you can have your main event.
Speaker 58 So instead, they had a 20-minute with entrances deal where everybody did everything.
Speaker 58 And then O'Reilly got a front face like on Kyle. And right in front of the referee, Take a shit just came in and hit Kyle with a fake forearm.
Speaker 58
He could have done a variety of things that looked like it made contact, but he chose that. And then Kyle just muscled him up into a brain buster.
Boom, one, two, three.
Speaker 58 And by the way, Adam Cole's upper body now is so skinny, it looks like it was CGI. It looked like somebody had made a rib thing
Speaker 58 for Twitter of Adam's head on
Speaker 58 like a Halloween skeleton.
Speaker 2 American baby Baba.
Speaker 58 And I mean, he's still got some,
Speaker 58 I won't say muscle, but some
Speaker 58 thickness around his thigh is thick compared to the rest of him.
Speaker 58 But the upper body, what
Speaker 58 if he's sick? I'm so sorry, Adam.
Speaker 58 But it's like he's
Speaker 58 science fiction level shrinking.
Speaker 58 But then
Speaker 58 that wasn't it because
Speaker 58 even though they had another match where everybody did everything and it went 20 fucking minutes and blah, blah, blah,
Speaker 58 then the Heels and Lance Archer jump in and beat up the babyfaces. And then here comes Rocky Romero and Trent, and they jump on him and beat him up too.
Speaker 58 And then music plays,
Speaker 58 and Brody King and Ishii
Speaker 58 come out to the stage.
Speaker 2
That was a surprise, by the way. When the Hounds of Hell image hit, I was like, oh, shit, buddy's back.
Hey, that's pretty cool. They're doing all this just for them.
And then Ishii-E and Brody King.
Speaker 58 Yes, because they made the Hounds of Hell and
Speaker 58 the dogs never found hell.
Speaker 58 But then they part and there comes Hiroshi Tanahashi limping out.
Speaker 58 He was limping before anybody touched him.
Speaker 58 And Brody and Ishii get in a big, sloppy, fake-looking fight in the entranceway with some of the heels. Tanahashi just hits one guy once and then walked to the ring.
Speaker 58 And Ishii was so crippled, he tried twice to roll into the ring and barely got it.
Speaker 58 And then
Speaker 58 somehow they
Speaker 58 dispatched the heels to where Kyle Felcher, the only one,
Speaker 58 the only one at this point in this whole fucking group of wrestlers and runner-iners that could possibly make a fuck,
Speaker 58 right?
Speaker 58 They left him to take Tanahashi's finish, which apparently
Speaker 58 is the guy running at him and grabbing him and jerking him down in a fucking heap.
Speaker 58 And then then Adam Cole hit him with a knee.
Speaker 58 And off they went.
Speaker 58
Well, hold on. One, wait a minute.
Hold on. One, two, three, four, five, six.
Speaker 58 Six different people ran in after the match was over with.
Speaker 58 And is Tony Khan running some type of
Speaker 58 motion picture country home for disabled Japanese wrestlers?
Speaker 2 If you were on the AEW roster and you did not do something on this event or pre-show, would you be insulted?
Speaker 58 No, actually, I'd be relieved, to be quite honest with you, that my reputation would not be sullied by being a part of this, but I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 Everyone, everyone was a part of it.
Speaker 58 Why?
Speaker 58 If
Speaker 58 I understand that,
Speaker 58 you know, legends,
Speaker 58 again, I've said this a million times: legends can draw you money in
Speaker 58 on nostalgia-themed shows and in limited quantities where it's not every show and it's special.
Speaker 58 But these Japanese legends
Speaker 58 are completely unable to fucking perform, and it's just wishful thinking and people smoking hopium.
Speaker 58 If you want to just see them in person,
Speaker 58 I'm sure there's a way to do that, but what the fuck? None of them can fucking wrestle. Ishi, Tanahashi, Oblada,
Speaker 58 it's just, it's over with. Move on.
Speaker 58 Am I being too harsh?
Speaker 2 Not necessarily.
Speaker 2 In 2025, not necessarily at all. With Adam Cole and to an extent, Ishii E,
Speaker 2 who, although he looks like he's very old, he's not that old, but he's five foot four.
Speaker 2
And Adam Cole is 102 pounds. I don't know how much he weighs.
If there was a division for smaller people,
Speaker 2 I think it would make more sense. And I know it sounds like it's a joke, but if there was a division for people under,
Speaker 2 can't be under 200 pounds. It has to be like under 175 pounds.
Speaker 58 But but but but no, but then Ishii is over 200 pounds and the poor fella can't fucking turn his head. And Tanahashi, what's the matter with him?
Speaker 58 He doesn't wrestle here regularly, but he couldn't walk straight.
Speaker 2 He's now the president of New Japan, I believe.
Speaker 58 Okay, well, then let him come out in a suit and sign some contracts.
Speaker 58 You keep up better than I do. Is he crippled too?
Speaker 2 Look, every single person that worked. for New Japan during those years
Speaker 2 is banged up badly, whether it's Okada,
Speaker 2 who may not be as banged up as bad as some of these other guys, even though obviously it's a different style he's working now.
Speaker 2 Ishii,
Speaker 2 Tanahashi's done. I mean, he's retired pretty much.
Speaker 2 But a lot of these guys, I mean, we heard again that Ibushi's training for a comeback.
Speaker 2 Naito's out. I mean, all those guys from that generation
Speaker 2 have all gone down hard. And, you know, Kenny Omega,
Speaker 2 although he got out a little earlier to go to AEW, he was there during those peak years, and he was one of those guys just killing his body. You know,
Speaker 2 it's going to be a rough time for a lot of people. And,
Speaker 2 you know, Japanese wrestling,
Speaker 2 an entire crop of like the,
Speaker 2 I guess, the new legends from that previous group of people, they're all banged up really badly.
Speaker 58 And of course,
Speaker 58 I wasn't laughing at Ibushi's misfortune. I was laughing at, I just remembered that Tony Khan is still paying him.
Speaker 58 He signed him to a contract because he was Kenny's friend.
Speaker 58 And before the guy had ever done anything, he broke both his ankles spectacularly, underwent multiple surgeries. And that's been, what, a year and a half?
Speaker 58 Now that he signed to a two or three year contract.
Speaker 2 He was with, it was, I don't even know if it's technically NXT when WWE did their
Speaker 2 cruiserweight. It wasn't cruiserweight, light, heavyweight classic, world
Speaker 2 cruiserweight classic, whatever it was. And they had all these people that were on the indies at that time before AEW.
Speaker 2 They got a bushy.
Speaker 2
And he was jacked. He was ripped.
He was cut.
Speaker 2 Did all this impressive stuff.
Speaker 2
The next time I see him on American TV on AEW, he's completely out of shape. Looks like he doesn't know where he is.
So then you're like, okay, let's see the work. And then the work wasn't there.
Speaker 2
And then he got a contract. And then he went home.
And then on some indie show or whatever he was working, he broke both of his feet.
Speaker 2 And that was the last we that was the last we heard of him. But he may be coming back.
Speaker 2 That whole generation of Japanese wrestlers, they beat up their body and they're paying the price a little younger than a lot of people used to.
Speaker 58 Well, no, now they beat up their body and now Tony is paying the price.
Speaker 58 And they're spreading the word: hey, we got a fucking great deal over here.
Speaker 58 Anyway, speaking of great deal, we've had a great deal of talk to get to the main event for the Owen Hart Tournament Cup and the chance to face the world champion Dick the Boozer of the Boer Horseman at the stadium show in Texas.
Speaker 58 Hangnail Adam Page and Will Osprey. And
Speaker 58 I'll save the finish, but
Speaker 58 boy, howdy,
Speaker 58 when just when you thought they were going to do something that made some sense and everything pointed to it,
Speaker 58 that flies out the window.
Speaker 58 So the main event started, the entrances started three hours and 40 minutes into the pay-per-view.
Speaker 58 And they gave Osprey an entrance with stained glass and lighting effects and his voiceover playing in the arena,
Speaker 58 echoing the nonsense promo that they did last week of I am the greatest overpoo to you.
Speaker 2
You weren't lying. You said that Dave Meltzer said it, and I hadn't read anything that he had reviewed about it yet.
It's not just him.
Speaker 2
There is a fan base who believe that was like one of the greatest promos of all time, one of the greatest face-to-face segments ever. That's amazing.
That was awful. And endless.
Well,
Speaker 58 it wasn't the I Have a Dream speech, but they played it here like it was.
Speaker 2 It was the I Have a Drink speech.
Speaker 58 And I think he had another because here he came. Osprey and
Speaker 58 Lyric Valkyrie
Speaker 58 or whatever are going to the same costumer.
Speaker 58 They come out in feathers. They should be quacking.
Speaker 58 Look like when Jimmy Hart had to wear the San Diego chicken outfit.
Speaker 58 So they ring the bell
Speaker 58 for this match, and suddenly, after
Speaker 58 four hours of complete shit, two guys are trying to wrestle.
Speaker 58 Everybody's tired.
Speaker 58 After everything has been proven to be phony, cartoon bullshit.
Speaker 58 Then they go out there and they start trying to have a match to the best of their ability, and I will put it over.
Speaker 58 As far as
Speaker 58 physically, these are two of the better and more credible guys in the ring on the roster. Both of them can do nice spots.
Speaker 58 Both of them need somebody else leading the match to put together something that doesn't reek of Indy and is, you know, a higher level.
Speaker 58 Osprey has
Speaker 58 the problem with the voice, and the more that you hear him talk, the less you like him. But
Speaker 58 he's got fire. He could be produced.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 unfortunately, Paige,
Speaker 58 I think, is he's a shit promo, and you don't believe him. He doesn't seem to have a pleasing personality to begin with.
Speaker 58 He was never a smiling babyface, except when he was interacting with the goddamn job guys in the dork order.
Speaker 58 But he's like a lot of these guys. You like him until you know him better and realize that he's a douche in real life.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 they had a higher level of athleticism and professionalism in executing the moves here to where that you wouldn't be embarrassed to show somebody this like you would the
Speaker 58 Anarchy in the Arena match or some of their other goofball indie shit, thumbtacks, whatever.
Speaker 58 But still, this match, as a pay-per-view main event, if you want to see a banger of a match after four fucking hours of other alleged bangers,
Speaker 58 then that's what they give you here. But as
Speaker 58 a money-drawn money match on a program, if they're going to do babyface and babyface, these guys aren't really smart enough to have that match.
Speaker 58 They just do their moves back and forth to each other, regardless of who's supposed to be a babyface or a heel, or a babyface or a baby face.
Speaker 58 It's going to be the same thing.
Speaker 58 Verbally,
Speaker 58 as we've seen, they can't cut the promo.
Speaker 58 This is for people who want to see guys do moves and talk about who's going to be the one to be the greatest of all time and it works harder than the other guy, bruv.
Speaker 58 And so, but they did it
Speaker 58 over and over for 40 fucking minutes to the point where nothing beats anybody. And then they take you out of the athletic presentation
Speaker 58 because it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 that's the thing when we did the talent roster
Speaker 58 and
Speaker 58 part of it so far.
Speaker 58 And people say, oh, he won't keep Kenny.
Speaker 58 How dare he?
Speaker 58 At least Kenny, the people like him and blah, blah, blah, but he won't won't keep Kenny.
Speaker 58 I said, well, between Kenny and Osprey, you've got two trained chimpanzees doing the same tricks. So you keep the younger, fresher chimpanzee.
Speaker 58 And that's Osprey,
Speaker 58 who I believed until
Speaker 58 I saw Different that was going to win this thing and go on to win the title in the stadium.
Speaker 58 Because it made the most sense,
Speaker 58 which is probably why it's not happening.
Speaker 58 But between,
Speaker 58 as I said, Kenny and Osprey here, how
Speaker 58 if you're looking ahead to build a roster two, three years, five years,
Speaker 58 how could Kenny help a wrestling promotion? Wrestling,
Speaker 58 as he's older, he's had bad injuries, and his matches always looked like he was playing a video game.
Speaker 58 And Osprey, at least, is fresher and younger and more accomplished and less overly douchey with the pointing and the face making and et cetera.
Speaker 58 But could Kenny help
Speaker 58 in other ways? Promos?
Speaker 58 He can teach people to do promos or do promos. Have you ever, Brian,
Speaker 58 call me a great Kenny Omega promo?
Speaker 2
Damn, damn, damn. I've actually always told you I like him in the ring, and I'm not a fan of his promos at all.
Okay, but they're counter-productive.
Speaker 58 Washy-washy, counterproductive. You don't want to hear him because
Speaker 58 he's a douche.
Speaker 58 Could he do commentary? Can you imagine that, Brian? Could he step into the announcer's booth?
Speaker 2 I think he's done it a couple of times. No, not good.
Speaker 58 A producer or an agent, he can't put his own matches together. The last thing he'd want is he's putting somebody else's together because then you get more of the goddamn video game shit.
Speaker 58 As a talent scout,
Speaker 58 he's a shit talent picker, obviously. He's
Speaker 58 anybody remember Michael Nakazawa
Speaker 58 or the Japanese indie girls that he has spent Tony Khan's money on ad nauseum over the last six years. That's his talent eye.
Speaker 58 As a trainer,
Speaker 58 as a trainer, he's been involved in the most disrespectful bullshit
Speaker 58 that has ever been done in wrestling, especially over the last number of years. He's been an embarrassment from the start with the sex dolls and the eight-year-old girls.
Speaker 58 And the last thing that you would want is this bitch teaching young wrestlers how to not respect the business.
Speaker 58 Now, Osprey,
Speaker 58 I don't know that he's any different because he actually said in that interview here recently, well, bruv, AEW smokes the WWE in every aspect of wrestling, except the part about making money and getting big numbers of people to watch it.
Speaker 58 But because he's of that mindset that, oh, we've got to do the poison rana, mate.
Speaker 58 But he's 10 years younger and he's a lot newer, and maybe you could teach him something.
Speaker 58
But now that I'm going to tear down what they did with this, I wanted to say that this match by far was not perfect. But at least to show it to somebody, you wouldn't be embarrassed.
They're athletic.
Speaker 58 The shit's crisper.
Speaker 58 They didn't use furniture to the ridiculous degree.
Speaker 58 There were no scissors,
Speaker 58 phony props exploding shit.
Speaker 58 With this, there's something you could build on, the sports-based presentation
Speaker 58 that we were promised at the beginning with athletes.
Speaker 58 But
Speaker 58 the problem becomes that you have athletes with minds like these guys that can't get them out of the indie-level bullshit and into the greater world.
Speaker 58 And also, after four hours of the other shit
Speaker 58 has taken the wind out of everything, for them to go out there and go 40 more fucking minutes and kick out of every goddamn thing in the world.
Speaker 58
They've got a story that's the same as every other indie fucking match story. I'm the greatest, hottest worker.
No, it's me. Let's fight.
Speaker 2 And they
Speaker 2 want you at your best.
Speaker 2 Make sure you train and get eight hours of sleep.
Speaker 58
And they don't even have misunderstandings. They don't get the message wrong or somebody misinterpreted something.
They just, oh, we haven't done this one yet, so let's book it.
Speaker 58 So at 25 minutes into the match, I'm going to go through some of the high points.
Speaker 58 25 minutes into the match, Osprey gives Paige a powerbomb on the apron, and then Styles clashes him off the apron onto the floor.
Speaker 58 Now, they didn't land just flat, but as a matter of fact, Osprey could have blown his own left knee out the way he landed if he hadn't been lucky.
Speaker 58 But then they sold that.
Speaker 58
Osprey rolled in at eight. Paige got up and rolled in at nine and a half.
Osprey hits a big Cody cutter on him. Two count.
Speaker 58 And then Osprey hit his elbow finish. Two count
Speaker 58 after the Gaspin Styles clashed off the apron onto the floor
Speaker 58 and hit with two different finishes. Two count.
Speaker 58 And
Speaker 58 then Osprey beats up on Adam Page and the referee pulls him back and they argue.
Speaker 58 And then Osprey boots Paige off the apron onto the desk, bashes his head on the desk, goes for a pedigree on the desk.
Speaker 58 Paige tries to backdrop him, and the desk breaks out from under him, and they fall on a heap.
Speaker 58 Paige falls on top of Osprey.
Speaker 58 So then, after they sell it for a while, instead of moving on,
Speaker 58 Paige picks Osprey up and dead eyes him on the wreckage to let everybody know what they were trying to do before the table didn't cooperate.
Speaker 58 And now, bear in mind, both of these guys,
Speaker 58 in talking about this match called Styles Clash off the apron,
Speaker 58 and then 15 more minutes of match, and somebody let him do it.
Speaker 58 So, at that point, now Paige is fine,
Speaker 58 and he went for the buck shot, but Osprey fell
Speaker 58 and you know, so he couldn't deliver it. But then Osprey stood up and pulled off his elbow pad,
Speaker 58 like I'm taking off the gloves now.
Speaker 58 So then, Paige pulled off his elbow sleeve.
Speaker 58 And they're like two gunfighters facing each other out in the street at high noon.
Speaker 58 The problem is, Paige is ready to do the buck shot. And
Speaker 58 to do his move, Osprey has to run at the guy and put his elbow up and hit him with it. Well, when they both charge, Paige hits the buckshot, but fucking
Speaker 58 Osprey had just run right into it.
Speaker 58 He didn't try to do the elbow and
Speaker 58 cover to count. And then Tony Shivati said, Well, it looked to me like Osprey just ran right into it
Speaker 58 because I think Taz was trying to say he didn't have time to draw his elbow back or whatever, trying to cover.
Speaker 58 And Tony said, Oh, to me, it looked like he just ran right into it.
Speaker 58 So then
Speaker 58 Paige tried another buckshot, and when he landed, Osprey hit his elbow.
Speaker 58 And for the first time ever, that elbow looked great because the guy was standing on his feet and had a way to take a fucking bump.
Speaker 58 But then he's spinning suplex two count.
Speaker 58 Then Osprey went for the elbow while Paige was on his knees and Osprey or Paige collapsed and Osprey went over the top of him with the elbow and Osprey sold missing the elbow.
Speaker 58 Why?
Speaker 58 And then I wrote: if Osprey doesn't win this soon, he's dead. He's done everything.
Speaker 58 He's done everything he knows multiple times to Paige. Paige is not only as over as he's ever going to be, he's not as over as he once was.
Speaker 58 And Osprey still has a chance to be the guy. That's what I'm noting here.
Speaker 58 And then Osprey spends forever while his opponent opponent is helpless pointing at him
Speaker 58 to now try to start impersonating fucking Kenny.
Speaker 58 And he hit Kenny's knee. He did it better than Kenny does.
Speaker 58 Then he picked him up for the one-winged fairy like Kenny does. But Paige slipped out of that and dropped fucking Osprey on his head.
Speaker 58 Cover one, two, leg on the ropes. I wrote more question mark.
Speaker 58 And then finally, each one of them foiled the other one. And Paige out of nowhere hit a buckshot Lariat cover.
Speaker 58 One, two, three.
Speaker 58 They beat Will Osprey. Paige is the one who gets the title match with Moxley.
Speaker 58 Paige
Speaker 58 can't win the title. Then we're just in as shitty a place as we are with Moxley.
Speaker 58 A fucking guy that's not over, that nobody gives a shit about, that can't fucking talk,
Speaker 58 has the title again.
Speaker 58 And why do this to Osprey?
Speaker 58 He did everything he knows, and he can't beat this guy. He can't beat Adam Page.
Speaker 58 How is he ever going to be the guy when he can't beat this guy?
Speaker 58 40 minutes, bell-to-bell, plus entrances.
Speaker 58 And they beat Will Osprey with Adam Page in a babyface match, fair and square.
Speaker 58 So maybe Osprey doesn't have to worry about that fucking long flight every week too much longer because there's not going to be that much call for his services after
Speaker 58 another babyface withstood everything he could possibly do for 45 fucking minutes and had beat him without cheating.
Speaker 58 One, two, three.
Speaker 58 Jesus H
Speaker 58 Christ.
Speaker 58 Are you still there?
Speaker 2 Yeah, two questions for you. One, what do you do now with Moxley versus Adam Page? And two,
Speaker 2 hypothetically, because we don't know what Tony Khan thinks about all this.
Speaker 2 Will Ospreay has been a really great cheerleader for the company publicly, and he's also complained about his flights because he doesn't want to move over here.
Speaker 2 Are you hesitant as a promoter, as a booker,
Speaker 2 to make someone your top guy if they won't come live over here in the States? Does it matter?
Speaker 58 He's been there for a year or whatever, and it hadn't mattered. So far, they don't run house shows.
Speaker 58 As a matter of fact, I think that sometimes maybe the less you see of Osprey, definitely the less you hear of him,
Speaker 58 the better the idea is in your head.
Speaker 58 But.
Speaker 58 Why spend all this money? Why sign the guy? Why
Speaker 58 they think they've pushed him. They don't realize they've kind of buried him too, but they haven't buried him as badly until now as all the other guys on the roster.
Speaker 58 You're paid him a couple million bucks. All he has to do is come to work once a week, maybe.
Speaker 58 And he's fresh and he's athletic and he could be the guy instead of, again, this,
Speaker 58 what do punk call him? Empty-headed dip shit, Adam Page, that boring shit over and over again.
Speaker 58 or
Speaker 58 Moxley has ruined the world championship in this company if that's even possible
Speaker 58 and
Speaker 58 and you you buy
Speaker 58 the his three high-priced acquisitions at the same time as I recall were Osprey Mercedes and um
Speaker 58
Okada, right? At the all at pretty much the same time. Yeah.
So two of those have been a drastic abysmal failure mercedes and okada
Speaker 58 but you had a chance to make you money back on this guy
Speaker 58 and now and now not only can't he beat the
Speaker 58 top heels he can't beat the other baby face that ain't gonna do any business for you that you ain't already doing The people that are going to come and pay to see Adam Page are already coming to pay to see everything else.
Speaker 58 He's part of the package with that base audience. But you could
Speaker 58 market.
Speaker 58 Ah, fuck.
Speaker 58
I don't care anymore. Do what you want to do, Tony.
But this, what the fuck?
Speaker 58 Pay all these guys to
Speaker 58 millions of dollars to, in Okada's case, have lazy, nothing matches.
Speaker 58
In Mercedes' case, have her diddle the little man in the boat for herself all across your programming because she thinks she's a goddamn superstar. She's Madonna or something.
That's been rotten.
Speaker 58 And the one guy that you could actually use that
Speaker 58 you could get something out of,
Speaker 58 you've completely dumbed him out of goddamn position.
Speaker 58 So I don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 2 Well, we'll see what happens. It's interesting if they did all this for Adam Page.
Speaker 2 But we'll see what happens at Osprey and we'll see what happens at Alden, Texas. That was AEW double or nothing.
Speaker 2 What if Tony Khan took some of this money that he spends on wrestlers and just went to the shop app and supported small businesses all across the land? That would be a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 What if he had a business? Oh, yes, he does. What if he had a business that people wanted to give him money to?
Speaker 2 And he had product to sell. He may want to set up an online store with our friends at Shopify.
Speaker 58 Well, you know, what he ought to do is he ought to sell, although, again, I guess then they'd bring him in for human trafficking. He ought to sell some of the wrestlers on his roster he's not using.
Speaker 58
Certainly he could give people discounts. But folks, again, if you have a business, then Shopify can help you.
But you know how Shopify can help you even more?
Speaker 58 If you don't have a business, if you've got an idea or a dream, like Tony Khan once had, if Tony Khan had gone to Shopify, well, then right now, instead of us screaming, please, Tony, stop this,
Speaker 58 we'd be doing that because he'd be making all kinds of money with a quality product and a successful platform on which to market said product.
Speaker 58
Because Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States.
Guess who's on top of it? Shopify.
Speaker 58 And they're not going to, they're holding it like a stranglehold and they're increasing their reach. They're spreading over the land like a pestilence.
Speaker 58 And soon, all of it, all of it, Brian, every e-commerce platform will be all Shopify.
Speaker 58 From household names like Mattel and Gymshark to brands just getting started like McFuneral's Peter Parlor. What if you can't design a website, folks? Well, Shopify's got you
Speaker 58 with beautiful ready-to-go templates to match your brand style. If you need a hand with everyday tasks like enhancing product images, you know, they could airbrush a picture of your wife.
Speaker 58
It looks like she doesn't have that wart on her left cheek. They enhance product images.
They write product descriptions.
Speaker 58 They can write a description of your wife that would make even her sound appealing.
Speaker 2
I don't know what you're focusing on here, but you can. And they can generate discount codes for your wife, apparently, if you'd like to market her.
You can market your wife.
Speaker 2 That's against the rules and and the protocols of Shopify. But
Speaker 2
I'm sorry. You're allowed to sell legally that you have the rights to or have made yourself.
Shopify is there for you.
Speaker 58 I read it in a mirror and got it backwards. They generate discount codes for your wife to save money with Shopify's AI tools that are created specifically for commerce.
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Speaker 58
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Speaker 58 With Shopify, and right now,
Speaker 58 if you sign up for your $1 a month trial period, then Shopify can show you all the things they can do to you and you can start selling or do to you or for you, do around you.
Speaker 58 They'll do some things in your presence.
Speaker 58
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Again, websites, product descriptions.
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Speaker 2
That's right. They power our store.
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Speaker 2
Jim, let's get a few things in here before we wrap things up this week. News breaking as we are recording.
Uh-oh. Rick Derringer
Speaker 2 passes away at 77 years old.
Speaker 58 No!
Speaker 2 Best known for hang on, Sloopy, and of course, rock and roll Hoochie Coo.
Speaker 2 And I guess we could add Real American.
Speaker 2 passed away Monday, May 26, peacefully in his sleep.
Speaker 58 Does everybody know that Rick Derringer, the rock and roll icon and guitarist, and member of the Edgar Winter Group and et cetera, wrote Hulk Hogan's Real American.
Speaker 58
Not his beer. He didn't write the beer.
He wrote the song. I am a real American, but we can't hold that against Rick because he also did rock and roll hoochy coo.
Speaker 2 He also did Demolition's theme song.
Speaker 58 That's right.
Speaker 2 Which was a bad, again, as a kid who grew up in that area, it was a badass theme song.
Speaker 58 Well, I hate to hear that about Rick because I thought that he would rock and roll in Hoochiku for years and years and years.
Speaker 58 77.
Speaker 58 So when I was, when I was 14, he was 28.
Speaker 58 Well, that just doesn't seem right at all.
Speaker 2 Did you always know that it was Sloopy? Did you ever think it was Snoopy?
Speaker 58 No, I always do it was because there were two songs at that period of time: the ballad of Snoopy and the Red Baron and Hang On Sloopy.
Speaker 58 But Sloopy, I don't care what your daddy do, because everybody here knows that I'm in love with you.
Speaker 58 All right.
Speaker 58 At one point, I thought it was Soupy Sales, but I didn't think it was Snoopy.
Speaker 2 Hang on, Soupy?
Speaker 58 Hang on, hang on, Soupy. Soupy, hang on.
Speaker 2
Bye, bye. Bye-bye.
Jim, let's get to a topic that a lot of listeners have sent in questions about. And
Speaker 2 there's a couple of things here i have i have some audio from tony time at the uh scrum afterwards oh good lord i must say he looks put together what time did that scrum start i don't know but he seems like he's kind of he doesn't look as wacky as he usually does so credit to him there
Speaker 2 for looking like he's together uh but he spoke about something he was asked a question about something that
Speaker 2
There may be something to, and let's talk about it. And I have a few other things here about it.
Let's go to this audio. I'm not sure who asked the question.
We'll find out now.
Speaker 4 Mark Hoke 1015 FM Las Vegas.
Speaker 59 How are you feeling about other companies scheduling events on top of and around yours on a consistent basis?
Speaker 4 It's pretty consistent. I'd say it's the most consistent event head-to-head scheduling I've seen since
Speaker 4 Jim Crockett promotion. Saw a lot of scheduling that went that way.
Speaker 4 And I can tell you this will go a lot differently than that did, Mark.
Speaker 4 Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 I appreciate you all being here. Well, there it is.
Speaker 58 How is it going to
Speaker 58 go any differently than it did before?
Speaker 58 He can't do anything about it.
Speaker 2 Before we even address that, news breaking also in the last day or so, all in Texas, of course, July 12th, 2025, 2 p.m. Central Start Time.
Speaker 2 WWE has announced the NXT Great American Bash
Speaker 2 will take place on July 12th at Center Stage in Atlanta,
Speaker 2 and it will be going head-to-head with all in Texas. This is on a weekend where there's also Saturday night's main event, as well as the all-female pay-per-view or premium live event, Evolution.
Speaker 2 So
Speaker 2 what do you think about the idea that WWE is aggressively running after, running after, running against Tony Kahn whenever he has anything going on. I mean, they did it here.
Speaker 2 There was an NXT event this weekend as well, but what do you think about that?
Speaker 58
Well, here's the thing. Like I said earlier, he's not going to do anything about it because he can't because they can do that.
It's not like he can file suit against them. You can't run.
Speaker 58 So it's not going to turn out any differently. And
Speaker 58 to be honest, that's not.
Speaker 58 Just running how shows are in the same market or, you know,
Speaker 58 that type of thing that's not necessarily what killed jim crockett nor even the running the pay-per-view or the free tv opposite the pay-per-view that didn't didn't help any it hurt some but that wasn't specifically all of it he's going to have to put up with that now here's the thing
Speaker 58 i don't think
Speaker 58 they're going to do it you know, if it doesn't make any sense at all whatsoever for them to do something.
Speaker 58 They're running center stage, which the rent is negligible and they're going to broadcast through their own facilities and et cetera.
Speaker 58 So they're not spending a ton of money and they're going to make money on that show, but it's going to be on the air against
Speaker 58 the big pay-per-view from Texas. Whether
Speaker 58 that
Speaker 58 AEW has a small and devoted die-hard fan base that's going to buy those pay-per-views and et cetera, I don't know whether that's going to have anything
Speaker 58 in the terms of effect on their core business or not, the big pay-per-view versus NXT.
Speaker 58 But WWE can and probably will,
Speaker 58 if they run head to head against them in a specific market, take some ticket sales away from them because how much money
Speaker 58 do people have?
Speaker 58 So you knock off some of the casuals, but still.
Speaker 58 For the people who want to see AEW,
Speaker 58 they're going to pick that over WWE. For everybody else, they're going to pick WWE because they're not even really going to know about AEW.
Speaker 58 But it's just,
Speaker 58 if he thinks he's going to, he's not going to win this, he's not going to somehow like, ah, see, I told you we'd get a draw a bigger gate or, you know, do a bigger gross on the show or whatever.
Speaker 58 He's not going to win anything.
Speaker 58 So he shouldn't really be saying it's not going to come out the same way.
Speaker 58 I can see him saying, well, that shows that they're concerned about us, but I think now at this point, they're just
Speaker 58 peppering a downed opponent.
Speaker 58 Now they want to have a little fun and maybe,
Speaker 58 you know, run out the clock and tire their guy out,
Speaker 58 which I still think
Speaker 58 that many of, and in hindsight, can anybody prove me wrong?
Speaker 58 That the WWE bid up several of the talents that Tony won just to make him spend more fucking money.
Speaker 58 So that's what I think about that.
Speaker 2 In terms of victories,
Speaker 2 you could always have small victories.
Speaker 2 And Crockett was able to, with Turner,
Speaker 2 do Clash of the Champions against WrestleMania 4, and then that started a trend.
Speaker 2 What could Tony do right now if he wanted to say, okay, I'll do something to you guys?
Speaker 2 What could he do? to affect them and
Speaker 2 one of their money-making schemes.
Speaker 58 There isn't anything. See, the people forget that in the Monday Night Wars and in the 80s, with the clash of champions going against the pay-per-views or whatever,
Speaker 58 the companies were fairly close.
Speaker 58 There was a period in between the 80s and the attitude era where they were miles away.
Speaker 58 And when
Speaker 58 WCW signed Hulk Hogan and didn't make an appreciable dent dent in any type of business aspect of anything the WWF was doing.
Speaker 58
When they're close, you can do shit like that. You can run the same market.
You can run opposing pay-per-views and TV specials, and you can have a direct impact on the other side.
Speaker 58 People forget that, yes,
Speaker 58 you know, the clash of champions
Speaker 58 was the response for Vince getting Crockett knocked off a pay-per-view, But the Clash of Champions
Speaker 58 took a significant number of million people away from potentially watching WrestleMania at a point in time where you couldn't just easily watch both things or order this and that. And
Speaker 58 so there was damage being done on both sides and in the Attitude Era also because the sides were close. This is not close.
Speaker 58 What the fuck
Speaker 58 is Summer? Where is SummerSlam? I've gone blank now this year.
Speaker 2 The two two-night SummerSlam. I think it's over here in New Jersey.
Speaker 58 New Jersey. Okay, so yeah, so where is what's Tony Khan going to run to hurt SummerSlam in Jersey?
Speaker 2 A free show
Speaker 2 in the parking lot.
Speaker 58 A free show.
Speaker 58 He couldn't hurt SummerSlam if he ran a free show in the parking lot of the goddamn stadium they're having SummerSlam in.
Speaker 2 You can only hope to hurt SummerSlam really with the locals if you do that, because if people are flying in, as a lot of those people, they're going to SummerSlam.
Speaker 58 I mean, that's what I'm saying: is that there's nothing
Speaker 58 at the point that the WWE is at right now, there's nothing that Tony can do to put something against one of their big shows, either pay-per-view or television or whatever, to hurt it that badly.
Speaker 58 Tony's television show on Saturday nights does record low ratings on free cable network television whenever they do a fucking pay-per-view in the WWE. It kills the fucking viewership.
Speaker 58 So,
Speaker 58 so no, I don't think that Tony can do anything really. Do you? What would it be?
Speaker 2 I mean, he's got money and he could use his money quicker and easier than they can.
Speaker 58 Well, I mean, that's the thing is
Speaker 58 he's got enough money. He could run some other type of event against the WWE shows and probably do more damage because his wrestling shows aren't going to damage their
Speaker 58 crowds or their pay-per-views. Maybe if he brought in a goddamn professional football team or something,
Speaker 58 or maybe if he just,
Speaker 58 you know, hired fucking thugs off the street to go and beat the wrestlers up, that might be a better spending of money than booking a goddamn wrestling show against them because he can't get people to, as many people as he had before, to just watch his shows when they're,
Speaker 58 there's no opposition. They're just on.
Speaker 58 So
Speaker 2 should anyone who's running AEW right now, anyone who's running opposition to WWE, a company that cares enough about you, they're trying to run against you every chance they have,
Speaker 2 should he make the ticket prices an issue?
Speaker 2 Should he exploit the fact that WWE is just trying to take all your money for everything? Actually show how much it costs to go to one versus the other?
Speaker 2 Should that be a part of the
Speaker 2 marketing?
Speaker 58 I don't know if I would,
Speaker 58 I don't know if I'd break down a lot of details. You might be doing advertising for the goddamn for the other side, but I think making an issue of, hey, we are,
Speaker 58 we're not only providing great world-class wrestling, but also
Speaker 58 we don't want to can't say, you know, rape our fans. We don't want to price gouge our fans.
Speaker 58 We want everybody to be able to come and experience the wonderful live events that we put on or whatever the fuck. So, yes, some way or another,
Speaker 58 you could
Speaker 58 indict the WWE for just being a ridiculous amount of money to spend on any entertainment.
Speaker 58 But then again, you want to know how you hurt WWE?
Speaker 2 You have ShadCon offer Nick Con $50 million.
Speaker 2 to jump to AEW.
Speaker 58 Oh, just himself.
Speaker 2 Just himself. Come run this company for my son.
Speaker 58 You know, goddamn it.
Speaker 2 That's the one thing that it would start a trend. It wouldn't happen overnight.
Speaker 2 Even if Tony Khan quickly got it, everything's going to take time from this point forward, but you need someone who can come up with a plan and come up with the revenue sources.
Speaker 58 But how much money is Nick Khan making now? We say $50 million like that's just... fantasy land, but he might be close to that right now.
Speaker 58 But if there was an amount of money that shad would give tony
Speaker 58 that tony could say nick con come and run this company for me then then we would be having a different conversation
Speaker 58 about
Speaker 58 whether or not tony could do anything to disrupt the wwe yeah and you know what else and tony and nick would become best friends well and and they wouldn't have to change the monograms in the bathroom
Speaker 58 i guess not but but i mean you know and that's the thing because i wasn't even thinking grand enough. Remember when they were first starting out? And I said, my God, your father's a billionaire.
Speaker 58 Instead of signing all these goddamn goofballs from the outlaws,
Speaker 58 go after, buy out contracts of people that are not
Speaker 58 affiliated with the WWE, but under any other contract,
Speaker 58 any other promoter ought to be open for business to talk to a billionaire and buy. He could have bought Jacob Fatu
Speaker 58 at that point in time.
Speaker 2 He could have bought any of these companies for a few million dollars.
Speaker 58 But yeah, but that's the point is, is that if he really was going to spend the money to
Speaker 58 combat and or eventually take over from the WWE, then he would have gone for quality talent at the start.
Speaker 58 And I wasn't even thinking about if you'd have made a play for Nick Khan, come here, run this whole thing, hire people to book it and write it and produce the television show and shoot the show.
Speaker 58 And I'll give you the money and I'm going to have fun because I own everything, but you're going to run me a real company
Speaker 58 while Vince was still over there. And
Speaker 58 if this had been done five years ago, we might be having a different conversation about who the number one company was.
Speaker 2 Because I also think. AEW kind of needs that image change.
Speaker 2 I think if you all of a sudden showed there was someone serious running it,
Speaker 2 it would change the perception that some fans have with AEW, but also that a lot of wrestlers have gained with AEW since AEW first started. And you first saw Tony and you heard about him.
Speaker 2 And then you've kind of watched him over the last five years. Like I said, he looks really put together here at the Scrum.
Speaker 2 And hopefully that's a good thing because he has to win over wrestlers who have heard about chaos, a wacky boss,
Speaker 2 strange hugs, everyone everyone doing whatever they want on these shows,
Speaker 2 production meeting issues, like all these things.
Speaker 2
All that perception has to change. And even if Tony changed it, the perception is it's still Tony.
And it always will be. Again, we're hypothetically thinking here, but.
Speaker 58 Well, yeah, but see,
Speaker 58 that's the thing is that
Speaker 58 how many
Speaker 58 sponsors or, you know, co-promotions have they missed out on or that we haven't heard about because
Speaker 58 there were no real serious people there at the company. I mean, when one of the Buckaroo's wives was doing merchandise and does Tony talk to the sponsors himself? If so, who is it? And
Speaker 58 do major companies think, what the fuck is going on here with these people?
Speaker 58 If there was a Nick Con influence where
Speaker 58 rational, serious, legitimate, experienced people that do these type of things were doing these type of things
Speaker 58 with all that money behind them.
Speaker 58
I mean, that's been the whole thing. It's, they've always been funded.
We didn't realize at the start that Tony would spend literally hundreds of millions of dollars to get to this point.
Speaker 58 But if they had
Speaker 58 used the money that they had access to
Speaker 58 from the start, instead of trying to fulfill Tony's adolescent fantasies,
Speaker 58 pick the right
Speaker 58 eight people to put on the talent roster and the two people to put in charge and they pick the six people that they're going to work.
Speaker 58 If it had been put together with no thought to money, but thought to professionalism, this could have been a whole different story.
Speaker 2 Well, we'll see what happens going forward with that. Of course, if you're Tony Khan, you may want to sue.
Speaker 58 Well, in that case, he's missed the boat because the man that he should have called a long time ago to sue the stork that brought him for carrying dope
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Speaker 2
Well, Jim, let's get one more thing here before we get out of here. We ran a little long with the reviews.
We'll have more questions and fun and hilarity next week.
Speaker 2 But a ton of listeners once again have sent this over.
Speaker 2 What are your thoughts on Ric Flair's new line of alcoholic drinks entitled Ric Flair Spirits?
Speaker 2 As one of the listeners here, Seth, emailed in,
Speaker 2 this is after Woo Energy Drink and Woo Wings.
Speaker 2 Now, Ric Flair Spirits and I have Ric Flair's line of drunks.
Speaker 58 I mean, drinks.
Speaker 2 I have a list here of the drinks they have. They now have Flair Vodka.
Speaker 2 They have Flair Gin.
Speaker 2 They have Flair Bourbon.
Speaker 2 they have Flair Tequila,
Speaker 2 and they have Woosky.
Speaker 2 Wooski.
Speaker 2 Jim, what are your thoughts on someone putting up money for Rick Flair to have an alcohol company? Is he the ultimate sponsor for an alcohol company, or is he the exact last person you want?
Speaker 2 Well, I'm not an alcohol company.
Speaker 58 Yes, our current spokesman, it was just several years ago that all the medical professionals told him to quit drinking or he would die. Now he can sell you some alcohol.
Speaker 58 The thing that I'm confused about, I understand there's corporate tie-ins, and Ric Flair is a name and a
Speaker 58 brand, a lifestyle. And you've got the woo-wings and you've got the woo-weed
Speaker 58 and you've got the woo-whiskey, even.
Speaker 58 But is it usual? Even Conor McGregor has a vodka and The Rock has tequila,
Speaker 58 but is it normal for
Speaker 58 the entity to sponsor or be
Speaker 58 have their name attached to every goddamn alcoholic drink in the bar?
Speaker 58 Because, I mean, we make bourbon here in Kentucky, right? But they're noted for the bourbon whiskey from Kentucky. We don't have
Speaker 58 like vodka distilleries here. But in
Speaker 58 Arusha, in Mother Russia.
Speaker 58 You know, the home office of the United States now,
Speaker 58 they got the vodka, but they don't do the bourbon whiskey. But Flair's got, he's got whiskey, he's got gin, he's got
Speaker 58 beer, he's got fucking vodka, he's got one bourbon, one scotch, one beer. Is that normal, Brian, for any celebrity involvement in spirits? Just let's do the whole goddamn wall.
Speaker 2 Certainly a hard launch. We'll give them that.
Speaker 2 Where do you go from here? What are you going to introduce from here? Wine? Get up.
Speaker 58 Sake.
Speaker 2 Oh, well, after what they had to edit out of the Kill Tony Ric Flair, I don't know if they want him talking about anything with Asian people right now.
Speaker 58 Oh, well, and what do they drink in Egypt?
Speaker 2 That's that one.
Speaker 2 That one is funny. I don't know what they drink, but that would be a natural feud, of course.
Speaker 58 Not necessarily something he would want to embrace, but a feud because they were doing fine with the whiskey and the gin until the Egyptians showed up.
Speaker 2 Do you think this is a better or worse idea than Ric Flair, like behind a lending company? Flair Spirits.
Speaker 58 I mean, maybe they're thinking it because of the natural jocularity that can be had from conflating the two things, that maybe that will increase the brand awareness and everybody will be talking about it and joking about it,
Speaker 58 such as the Ric Flair North Carolina lottery ticket, where he endorsed that. And,
Speaker 58 you know, the boys, the joke was that every ticket is guaranteed to win $5,000, but they cost $10,000 each.
Speaker 58 Maybe this is, you know,
Speaker 58 you can poison your liver in the same manner as your idol, Ric Flair.
Speaker 2 And by the way, apparently there was a company called Flair Bourbon, an F-L-A-R-E.
Speaker 2 But if you Google Flair Bourbon with the Ric Flair spelling, it goes to Flair Bourbon, the other one. So now they're a competitor on the market with a similar.
Speaker 2 Do you think they're opening themselves up to a lawsuit already we'll see but uh good luck ric flair with your brand new line of liquors
Speaker 58 rick flair's wines and spirits what about what about some ric flair ripple you think we could get some ric flair ripple we're about a year away from that and then and then he could combine some with his ric flair champagne and call it champipple How far are we away from Ric Flair, like just trying to get you to buy gold and silver?
Speaker 58 I think that's well, that's why he's wearing those suits. When he walks in the room for $500, you can just pull an ounce off of him.
Speaker 2 I'm Ric Flair. I want to show you this coin.
Speaker 2 All right, well, with that,
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