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Hello again, friends.

And you are our friends.

Hopefully the show will be better than that.

Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru, right here on another day, another weather-intensive day.

I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

I don't know what we've got, but we've got lots of it today for you.

This man, the leader of the Cult of Cornet,

Mr.

Jim Cornette.

I don't know what we're full of, but we're full of it today.

And when you started into that funeral dirge and then the little

before you started into your theme, it is just when

I couldn't take no more.

I couldn't take no more.

I had to,

son, have you?

You haven't quit your day job yet, have you, in pursuit of this music business?

I still think you got time to be an accountant, Brian.

I heard this is the catchiest song in wrestling right now.

Well, it's catchy, all right, in the same way as a communicable disease, but

nevertheless, we're going to have fun today because,

Brian, you know, you know that, that feeling of exhilaration that you get when you just, when you've just walked out the door and got out of jail.

You know that feeling.

Every time you do that, it's like, woo.

It's a relief, right?

It's a feeling of really, you're floating in the air.

You're relieved of all your weights and your burdens.

That's right.

And that's how I feel today.

You know that feeling, don't you?

Just getting out of jail.

That was called high school.

Yes.

Well, it depends.

Did you go to high school on Rikers Island?

No, but everyone...

At Long Island.

The rumor was that the school we were in, because it was such an awful place, that it was originally intended to be a jail.

Although that was just a rumor that was made up because it was such an awful place to be.

But it could have doubled for one in the movies.

But well, we got out of jail here.

I am proud to tell you that there are no severe weather forecasts in Louisville, Kentucky, or its greater environs for the next seven days.

And we are actually

recording this show a day later than we were supposed to because after Friday, which when last we left our listeners, I was under threat of being blown away.

And then Kentucky made the national news.

Thankfully, it wasn't.

right here on top of me, but we'll talk about that in a second.

But

we left them there and

we got through that okay here at the castle and then we were supposed to record this program yesterday and they were calling for more waves of severe storms and a potential fucking tornadoes and all this other stuff yesterday and i said i can't take it whether we get it or not i can't continue to be cheerful with the fucking feeling that any minute we're going to hear a fucking siren and go dive under the pool table.

So if any, if we're late

this week with the show, for the listeners, if anybody's complaining from the bottom of my heart, blow me.

My nerves have been,

as Dennis Condry would say, I've been a raw nerve in for the past several days.

But you saw what went on last Friday.

Some of it was on the news up there, wasn't it?

Yeah, it hit the national news.

And, you know, we hear so much of you talking about the weather.

Sometimes we close our eyes and it's almost like we could see it.

This time I could see it.

It was on the news.

Yeah.

And as I said,

so Friday evening in Louisville here, we're watching the radar and this big line of storms is coming in.

And then we start to hear the,

you know, the, the reports as it gets to the other side of town, right?

And coming across the Ohio and 70 mile an hour wind gusts and torrential rain.

And They were tracking.

They had a tornado warning again up in southern Indiana, right to the north of us.

And they had other tornado warnings out.

It just, they were, the weather had broken into normal programming and was, was constant, commercial free, because of all this chaos that was going on.

And we're watching not only the TV, but Stace has the camera in our backyard on her phone.

So we, without having to actually stick our face near a window, we can watch what's going on outside.

And they're

again calling down to the south of us, again, where the tornado went

in the general vicinity, a little bit farther away

in South Louisville, but where it was last month.

And all this stuff is blowing across.

And

they're starting to show the power outages.

Yeah, the transformers are blowing down at Pleasure Ridge Park, and the power is out.

And the da-da-da.

And as this is going through, and I knock on wood,

I said, look out there.

This doesn't look anything like at our particular house what that bad storm looked like last August that took that big tree down in my backyard and everything, right?

And at the same time, that storm,

which was the fucking highest wind I've ever seen here and the goddamnest scene you've ever seen.

There were no tornado warnings out for the rest of the county.

This thing varies from mile to mile.

So point being,

when they showed the power outage map after the storm had gone through, and the only thing that was disturbed here was like two 15-foot limbs out of the ash tree, which the size of that thing, that's goddamn flesh wound.

It was like they put a dome over my house here for about two miles in every direction.

That was the only part of the county that had no power outages.

No lines down, no major trees down, no what,

every place else.

and it's

because remember last month there was an f3 tornado two miles south of me not even

and at the same time we didn't have any major issues that close this is it's like being in a pinball machine where the ball is bouncing around you don't know where it's going to hit

well at least you know for the next seven days

You could play pinball

full of safety.

I don't know how we compare.

There'll be no problems when you're playing your Kiss pinball machine.

So anyway, there were 30,000 people at one point without power in Jefferson County alone.

They recorded the second fastest or highest wind gust ever at the airport.

Now, they haven't had a tornado at the airport, obviously, or it would be faster than that, but just a straight line

wind gust 82 miles an hour.

That's the second fastest ever.

The first was April 3rd, 1974, at 84 miles an hour.

So this chaos was going on.

But

in the meantime, our

weathermen, Mark Weinberg, the weatherman, my guy, he and his team, they know everything.

They're watching in southern Kentucky.

There's a supercell thunderstorm out.

by itself with nothing in front of it, nothing to fucking sap the power out of it.

And it is on, even though it's south of the television viewing area, it's on the state radar, obviously.

It's on the, you know, and they're watching this thing over the course of a few hours.

It went from Springfield, Missouri, due east 500 miles, over 500 miles, without stopping, severe warning the whole fucking way, dumping all this shit on everything in its path.

And that's what turned into the tornado that hit London.

Kentucky, not England.

For anybody geographically challenged about eastern Kentucky,

this thing went right into London.

They got a little airport down there, or they used to, they don't anymore,

and a neighborhood next to it.

And that's what everybody's seen on the news, this subdivision.

It looks like now they're saying it was an EF4,

winds of 170 miles an hour plus,

and it looks like they ran a giant bowling ball through the middle of this neighborhood and this is not like

roofs gone of houses tornado damage this like the house is gone

it's a foundation and everything that was in the house is strewn everywhere for fucking hundreds of yards just all and multiple houses killed 17 people and I think there's some still in a hospital

and

they say it was almost a mile wide at the worst, which that's wide for a tornado.

But you can, when you see it, went through the forest.

You see these aerial shots of a giant green forest and suddenly there's just a fucking path through it.

Like

so

at anyway, that's what

hit London was that rogue supercell that are the most dangerous because when you've got a line of them, they're eating off each other.

But when there's just a loan like that, they've got nothing stopping them from doing whatever the fuck they want to do.

So

what are they saying, if they're saying anything right now, just because you're living through it about future prospects?

Do they think this is going to be a more frequently recurring thing in your area?

Well, I mean, the thing is, this is tornado season in this part of the country in another week or so.

And then,

I mean, shit can happen at any time.

We had them in December a couple of years ago, but it's happening more frequently and with more of this

vehemence.

It's slightly shifting over, apparently,

from Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, the old tornado alley.

It's shifted over, they said, into the mid-south area, like West Tennessee and this, the Mid-South area down there in the Ohio Valley up here,

which is

not only more,

in some cases, densely populated because there's a lot of open space in Oklahoma, but it's more forested.

These big trees, these giant forests, you know, they don't have

forests like that in Oklahoma and or, you know, forested areas to the extent of this.

And the trees flying around is what takes all the power lines down and houses and cars and lands on people and everything.

So it can be more severe, even the same strength of the storm.

But because of the fact that we have destroyed the climate, all this stuff is shifting around.

This one woman said,

somebody, she's not sure whose washer and dryer.

slammed into the side of her house.

And they don't know where they came from.

And this other guy said he had a riding mower in his shed out back, and they found the riding mower a couple hundred feet away, but they still ain't found the shed.

That kind of shit.

So, anyway, but now we're fine.

The sun is shining.

The birds are singing.

It's the drive-through.

We're ready to go.

What about you?

You sound, you know what you did earlier here?

What did I do?

You tried to have your lovely wife go out in the rain

to scare off a bird outside your house that's singing,

making music, trying to make the world a more joyous place.

Trying to ruin the broadcast.

You're going to ruin the broadcast, all that noise.

You sour son of a bitch.

What's the matter with you today?

The bird was right outside the window every few seconds.

I can't talk to you about wrestling with Tweety Bird outside the window.

So I was already set up.

I had the headphones on.

We're about to go.

We were a few minutes late already.

My options were I can go outside and try to create some kind of some sonic boom, some big sound to scare all the birds out of the tree.

And I don't know what that would have been.

I don't know how I would have done that exactly.

Or I can ask Suzanne to go do it.

And it happens to be drizzling after rain earlier and more rain to come.

this is an exciting story thank you for uh having you're using your wife as a scarecrow i didn't think it was going to be an exciting story i just thought it gave some insight into your personal character as far as what that's the level of importance you put on these broadcasts my level of character i want to make sure the listeners have the best possible experience and i trust my wife to do the job correctly Yeah, well, my level of character is I don't give a shit whether they like it or not today after all I've been through.

I'm mentally stressed.

I'm frazzled.

I'm trying to make the best of things now that we've got the reprieve, the phone call from the governor, and here you're trying to scare the songbirds away.

All you've been through.

You haven't had a chair knocked over.

All I've been, well, I'll tell you what, I turned the chair over when I dove under the pool table.

That's inside.

I'm talking about outside the house.

No, it's mental cruelty is what it is.

They're telling you this shit's coming.

Shit's coming.

I was sick all day Monday, sick to my stomach for the forecast for Tuesday.

Then ended up the storms passed to the south, but we're shell shocked up here.

And we don't need to hear any more of this.

And

all of the nervous, it's mental torture when you know that it could be, it could be you, it could be next, could be anytime.

Probably going to be Tuesday about 4.30.

They'll tell you.

How would you like it if somebody said to you, I'm going to come over and I'm going to hit you in the head with a giant mallet

and just and kill you deader than Kelsey's nuts on Tuesday at 4.30.

And it's now it's Saturday at noon.

How would you feel for the next couple of days?

I'd kill them first.

Well, see now.

Thank you for making your intentions known.

I guess I'll have to do something first.

You can't alter.

What if you can't do it?

You can't hit the storm with the mallet.

You can't alter my premise here.

You're not allowed to be a premise alterer.

i would move i would move out to move out of the premises move and move out of the premises exactly a different premise

well it's your show so why don't you give us a different premise well the premise of today's show is what will this show be and of course we're a little while into it we still have no answers really where this is going or where we've been or where we could possibly end up but jim where the listeners

you know what you know what i i tell you what uh i i got uh what i got an email here from something that we were talking.

You want to talk about these

shady drugs that apparently, according to Jelly Nutella, all the fucking kids are taking these days from truck stops and smoke shops and things of that nature?

You know, after we talked about that, I heard from several wrestlers who none of them said they use it, but they did say that it is something frequently used.

One of them said it's gross.

Another one said it's the new bane of this generation.

That seems like a, that seems like it would be really bad, but no one's, you know died from this stuff yet or whatever but we've definitely heard feedback that i don't know if it was 85 or whatever he said it was but there is a percentage well yeah

85 probably of his social circle and you can imagine the kind of elbows that he rubs

uh but no i i got an email to both of us But it's from our friend Tyler.

He signs off much love, your friend.

So he's our lover and our friend.

Hello, Tyler.

So

why was the awkward pause there after you said that?

There was no reason.

Well, no, because I'm trying to, no, I'm trying to find the stuff.

Hold on here.

I didn't mark this.

I've looked at the wrong paragraph.

Oh, stop playing with your organ.

I'm trying to find the, okay.

He says it was Jelly Nutella.

who mentioned that someone had taken sabu to get kratom or something, quote unquote, to help him through his final match.

While kratom in its natural plant form is often used as a harm reduction tool,

especially for those trying to get off opioids, there's a more dangerous twist to the story that's not often discussed.

See, it's always the dangerous twist, Brian.

That's where

it gets dangerous.

In smoke shops and gas stations across the United States, especially in states where kratom is legal.

So now apparently

it's mixed on this, depending on where you are.

This is,

it could be or it could not be legal.

We are now seeing the rise of a highly concentrated lab isolated compound derived.

I sound like I'm doing one of our commercials now.

This is not

a highly concentrated lab isolated compound derived from kratom called seven

hydroxymitraginine,

commonly referred to as 7-O, and that's what we'll say from now on.

This isn't natural kratom.

This is a chemically enhanced extract that's significantly more potent.

7-O binds very strongly to opioid receptors and is estimated to be several times more powerful than morphine.

It's available legally

in pill, vape, and candy forms for the kids.

You know, the kid is

little junior, little junior dip shit down the street, stubbed his toe.

Give him some fucking super morphine.

I'll have the Bella Logosi gummies.

Tyler goes on to say, I can confirm it's being sold in nearly every shop around here in Grundy, Virginia, an old Smoky Mountain town.

And

I use the word town

kind of loosely here, since there can't be 3,000 people in Grundy, Virginia.

So they're selling this stuff in Grundy, Virginia.

I'm sure the same applies to Louisville and countless other places.

Here's the scary part.

We haven't got there yet.

7-0 is extremely addictive.

And because it falls under the broader legal umbrella of kratom, it's largely unregulated.

There are no clinical studies on long-term use, interactions, or safety.

It's a legal gray area that's been exploited, that's being exploited fast.

From the reports and behavior described after Sabu took the substance, it lines up eerily well with known effects of 7-0,

drowsiness, confusion, impaired motor control, and in some cases, respiratory depression.

If he did indeed consume a concentrated form of 7-0, and we don't know whether he was 7-0 or whether he was Hawaii 5-0, we don't know what he was, but it may have opened the door to an aggressive and dangerous level of substance abuse.

Well, I think that door has been off the hinges for a while there.

But

Tyler, just wanted to put this out there in case it helps paint a clearer picture of what may have happened.

Apparently, Tyler, in Grundy, Virginia, you are a

just the fact that you can spell hydroxymitragynine indicates that you're potentially too informed about this subject to be a normal resident of Grundy.

So, this sounds like this stuff can't miss.

I first heard about it about a week before the

story about Sabu's last match came out.

I saw an interview with our friend Theo Vaughan he conducted with Kevin von Erich, and I had to see it because it's Kevin von Erich and I find him endlessly fascinating.

Yes.

And I believe he said in there that he got off his addiction to painkillers due to kratom, which now, as we're hearing, I guess,

is it a synthetic opiate or is it not synthetic because it comes from the natural?

It is.

And then we actually even had people tweeting at us and everything when we talked about.

Jelly's interview.

And that's the first time I'd ever heard of this shit.

People are defending it.

Well, I used it.

I use it.

Don't knock kratom because I use it to withdraw myself from this or because of chronic pain with this or that or the other thing.

And again, if there is a legitimate use for

kratom because it's a plant, it grows.

I'm not saying that the whole thing should be just balled up and thrown away, but

I don't like the idea that you're getting it in gas stations.

If it's in any way supposed to be a a helpful drug, it ought to go through proper channels.

And secondly,

I don't care whether it helped you or not.

It certainly didn't help the situation where a 60-year-old man with a history of multiple serious injuries and drug abuse was put into a no-rope barbed wire death match with a fucking idiot.

So

I don't think the goddamn

polio vaccine would have been helpful in that situation to you, Brian?

Again, the match was an unfortunate series of decisions.

But, you know, in terms of...

From an unfortunate series of people.

You know, in terms of this, though, you know, the idea that it's a opioid or a synthetic opioid or an opioid derivative, and it has the same effects on wrestlers, we went through an era where that was devastating.

And again, we're talking there about OxyContin.

We're talking about Somas.

We're talking about Nubane.

We're talking about all sorts of muscle relaxers and pain relievers that wiped out a generation of performers, actually.

If you think about everyone that died in one way or another due to those chemicals, it's a generation of performers.

You know, again, I'm guessing this isn't that bad.

Again, you don't necessarily want to trust something if it's sold only in truck stops and head shops.

Well, that's what I'm wondering about is are they going to find out in four or five years that, you know, there may have been some benefit in a medical or clinical fucking situation for whatever is going on here, but not when, you know, Zippy's truck stop sold it, you know, next to the caffeine pills or whatever, and everybody's just taking too much and it grows some kind of goddamn horrible cancer in your brain.

And it shouldn't be, hey, this guy can't walk, give him this fucking opioid so we can get him in the ring.

So we can get,

he can hold himself up with the ropes.

Oh shit, forgot.

That's barbed wire.

Well,

put him in the middle.

Yeah, we'll see.

I guess I don't know anything about it.

Is there any kind of regulation of this?

Again, if it's in head shops and gas stations.

Well,

it says it's legal.

Or Tyler said that it was legal in some states, which means some states it's not.

But the same thing could be said for weed.

The same thing could be said for a variety of other things.

But,

you know, in this case, I think this bears a little more fucking investigation, you know, as far as what your source source is before

should go with something more legitimate like magic mushrooms

well there you go

just and and a lot of these turd blossoms probably spend a lot of time around those things

i guess they're growing under the same fucking dung here same same turd yeah that's right

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I should have done the farm report on morning radio.

You know, I was born too late.

I could have teamed up with my Uncle Dink

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He did the mornings on WHO.

Dink Embry did the mornings on WHOP radio

for

25, 30 years, however long it was.

And whenever I would visit my grandmother before she passed away, when I was a little kid, we'd get up early in the morning, listen to the radio, listen to Uncle Dink.

They named a street street after him out in Hopkinsville, I found out not too long ago, a year or two ago, Dink Embry Boulevard outside the radio station.

He was actually married to my father's brother's widow.

So he was technically in the family by,

actually,

he was in the family by marriage, but she was in the family by marriage.

So if a man

marries a woman that's in the family by marriage, then he's technically in the family by marriage too.

Yeah, he's your uncle completely removed.

Yes.

Well, she completely removed him.

That's right.

No, that's my favorite line.

He did stand up also,

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I have

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Well, Jim, why don't we start in a good way?

I know you watched a little bit of WWE, so we're going to talk about that as little as possible.

We have questions we never got to last week.

I got to see if any of them are good.

I know we still have a roster of you that's going to probably be endless and then eventually WWE, so we also have that potentially.

Why don't we start with Guest the Program?

Okay, you're confused, Brian.

You've I lost you on the far turn, but you got me with Guest the Program.

All right, of course, Guest the Program is where I go through programs in my collection, quiz Jim about

all the details he can give us: the date, the location, the street address, the phone number, the promoter, the timekeeper, and of course, the ringside physician.

Let's start with this one.

This is an interesting one.

I hear you shuffling your pages now.

The first event, a Wrestle Royal.

Killer Kowalski, Hans Schnabel, Fred Atkins, Roy Graham, Al Lovelock.

No time limit.

Match continues until only one left.

The second event,

Fritz Schnabel versus Al Saz.

Now, wait a minute.

Was Hans Schnabel in the opening Wrestle Royal or was it Fritz Schnabel?

It was Hans in the Russell Royal, R-A-S-S-L-E,

and Fritz in the opening bout against Alzaz out of St.

Louis, one fall 15-minute time limit.

Okay.

The third event will be the first two losers of the Russell Royal,

one fall 15-minute time limit.

The fourth event, the second two losers

of Russell Royal, one fall, 15-minute time limit.

The main event, and there are two,

the mighty Atlas at a Chicago.

He is a champion, I will not name the title he has, versus Duke Kiyamuka at a Honolulu, two out of three falls, one hour time limit.

And the main event,

the world champion Lou Thes, St.

Louis, versus the winner of the Russell Royal.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

And I'll tell you who it was, Killer Kowalski, two out of three falls, 90-minute time limit.

Oh, boy.

By the way, it says referees.

There are two referees for this match.

One of them, I will say, because the other one may be a giveaway.

One of them is Al Lovelock, who was in the Russell Royal.

Well, and he also, Al Lovelock worked later on as one of the great Bolos, did he not?

That was the beginning of the Assassins, I guess you could say.

Yeah.

Who

was the other referee, or does it name that person?

The other referee is Leo Voss.

Ah,

okay.

So

Killer Kowowski, obviously, everybody knows we need not go into his biography.

Fred Atkins later on was a popular figure around Toronto, including being in, I think, in the office for a period of time and didn't he referee for a while.

Which Graham was this?

Was this Bobby Graham?

Did you say?

In the Russell Royal, it was Roy Graham.

Roy Graham.

So

might as well be Telegram.

I don't know.

Poor Al Zaz and Fritz Schnabel were just in there to really

kill some time so that the guys didn't have to come right back out and wrestle their singles matches out of the Battle Royal.

The Mighty Atlas was Morris Shapiro.

He was a bigger star probably than anywhere or at any other time off Chicago TV in the 50s, right?

Duke Kiyomoko

would go on to settle in Florida.

Fez being the champion against Kowowski, we're in Texas because of Leo Voss, I would think.

That's why I was trying not to give that one away.

But, well, but he's on the card.

See,

so I didn't cheat.

So

the question is: I don't think this is a

lineup worthy of Houston,

but we're somewhere in Texas, and

I would have to think it's the mid-1950s

1955 Corpus Christi.

The date Tuesday, December 18th, 1951.

Dallas, Texas, the Sportatorium.

Dallas, okay.

Yeah.

Now, this is the end of 51.

This is months before the Dallas Wrestling War would break out.

On page two of the program here,

Dallas Matt fans set new records.

Dallas again leads state, top Matt City.

Dallas Dallas did it again.

Once more, promoter Ed McLemore reports that more people went to the sportatorium wrestling matches than did in any other large or small city in Texas.

Since McLemore and matchmaker Doc Sarpolis took over 13 years ago, Dallas has shown a considerable increase.

Even last year's record year was topped.

The attendance average per card was 5,578.

Jesus.

Tonight's parade of stars and championship program should considerably boost the average.

On the last card of last year, what Louth says in a title match, 6,288 was the attendance.

So let's stop there.

I was about to say I'll stop you there because.

As you mentioned, this was before the promotional war and it's before they set fire to the sportatorium.

It seated more people.

How many did a a seat when you worked there?

I'm going to say,

see, they didn't give us a ticket, you know, manifest or a seating chart or whatever for the sportatorium, especially, but the money

with the ticket prices that they were charging and a sellout

when we were there, which they were doing quite often on Fridays.

I'd have to look in my book, but I remember it's somewhere around 30 grand.

So I would think that probably around

the high 4,000s

of

people,

you know,

some people used say the 5,000 seat sportatorium or whatever, but

40 something, 100, 5,000, somewhere around there.

But the thing is, remember we've talked about

when people who have seen the world-class TV tapes look at the shot of the ring from the hard camera that they would use.

To the left, there was just a big blank wall past the ring side, right?

And you would see across the ring, you'd see all of those bleachers that went all the way up.

And it would go all the way around to where the wrestlers would come down that hill and fight their way through the crowd, right?

As far as the girls wanting to love on to Von Erickson to Fantastics.

But one side of the building is just a tin wall.

When they set fire to the fucking building in 1952 or whatever it was, when they rebuilt it instead of the whole place didn't burn.

So they just chopped off the side that burnt and put a

straight fucking aluminum wall up.

There was another,

from what I understand, the seats would have gone all the way around and joined in those days

of this program.

So they could probably have seated,

you know, six or seven thousand in their make.

14 complete sellouts were chalked up during the late winter and spring season of the year.

Even during the summer of 100-degree heat, the crowd still held up.

And there was no air conditioning, not even in the 80s in that building.

In the office, in Fritz's office, there was, not in a fucking arena.

Headliners.

The country's best wrestlers account for this turnaround.

The plans for next year are the same.

A listing of wrestlers due here early next year isn't another story in this program.

Wrestling has been good all over the country.

Texas is still considered the top territory.

And Dallas is, as always, the top town.

Well, there you go.

So

and they were running weekly in those days also, right?

They were.

Texas Map Promoters and Meeting promoter Ed McIlmore was host to nearly all the Texas wrestling promoters over the past weekend.

A meeting of the promoters was held yesterday at the Sipongo Club from one o'clock to six.

Mr.

M.

B.

Morgan, Commissioner of Labor and in charge of the boxing and wrestling in Texas, presided.

His number one deputy, Alton Erickson, also of Austin, the supervisor of wrestling, was the first assistant.

North Texas Deputy Sammy George of Dallas and local deputy Bill Hughes were to attend.

General wrestling business was to be the topic of discussion.

Texas promoters slated to attend are Morris Siegel, Houston, Frank Brown, San Antonio, Norman Clark, Galveston,

Dory Denton, Amarillo,

Owen Davis, Austin, Barney Myers, Corpus Christi, Sam Menneker, El Paso, El Paso, Sled Allen, Lubbock,

Joe Ramirez, New Bronfell,

Vic Weber from San Angelo, Benny Wilson, Abilene, Texas,

Dan Mennaughten, Plainview, Doc Sarpolis, Dallas, F.E.

Gerrard, Tyler, R.G.

McElier from Fort Worth, and Ken Moore of Wichita Falls.

That's a lot of local promoters.

Well, and that's in those days.

Remember, 1951,

they may not have any television presence yet,

right?

The national TV,

Dumont Network, Hollywood Wrestling, et cetera.

But in those days, every local town, every town had a local promoter because it was primarily radio and newspaper and posters and a guy on the ground making a deal with the building and making sure the chairs, whatever the fuck.

And

every town was kind of its own little fiefdom.

But you bet Doc Sarpolis was instrumental in the Amarillo territory for Dory Funk Sr.

for a long time.

And

another thing that struck me, how many guys do you know named Dory in the world?

Outside of wrestling, I've never met any.

Exactly.

But in Amarillo, Texas, the previous promoter and top star, and he'd been a big name in the ring in his day, Dory Denton, ended up giving way to Dory Funk Sr.

Two guys named Dory ran Amarillo, not related, ran Amarillo wrestling for fucking 50 years.

Peanuts, popcorn, soft drinks, and coffee, 10 cents each.

Popular Argentina raca to return.

So a promising 1952 talked about here in this program.

And Sam Minneker, by the way, he was a promoter in El Paso.

He had some, he lived there for years, had some connection, but Minneker obviously had, he was in Mighty Joe Young when the tug of war with the gorilla with the other wrestlers, but Minoker booked and announced for Stu Hart at various times, Dick the Bruiser in Indianapolis during the his boom period.

But where I'm, when I met Sam Minneker, not being a mark, I got his autograph when I went to Indianapolis when I was 14.

But I actually met him in the business.

Crockett

ran.

No, it wasn't Crockett.

It was the Dallas Avis world class.

Ran El Paso,

actually Fort Bliss, which is right next to it.

It's an Army base.

And he came to visit the boys.

And he, and this was in 1985, and he was living back in El Paso.

Just a little trivia there for you.

El Paso that he went to with the plane that he stealed.

I think it was.

Well, he didn't really steal it.

He just flew Stu Hart's private airplane after he gave his notice as Stu's booker.

He flew Stu's plane down to El Paso, but he called to let Stu know where it was and so he could come and get it.

All right, Jim, let's go to our next program here.

I don't know for sure that the card took place.

But the program may be enough to tell you something here.

This is from a file I have here of things like this.

The opening bag: The Butcher versus Levi Banks.

Okay.

The second contest: Beautiful Bobby versus Captain Soul.

Okay.

The next contest: Johnny Ringo and Frank Rogers versus Gama Singh and Tonga Kid.

The next contest:

Shotgun Austin

versus Mountain Man Goliath.

I'm not sure this card did

take

place.

You should still be able to guess the location and the date, I think.

The magnificent Zulu versus Big Tank Patton, managed by General Homer Odell.

A 12-man battle royal, $50 each wrestler, $400 from the promoter means $1,000 for the winner, which isn't unreasonable.

It's not like a $10,000 battle royal for this show.

Big Jim Wilson and the Islanders, Offa and Sika,

versus the Medics and Dr.

Blood.

And the main event,

Super Assassin 1

versus Thunderbolt Patterson.

I'll just super ass one

versus Thunder.

All right.

Where do I start?

This obviously is in the state of Georgia.

One would be led to believe it was the Omni.

One would be led to believe that it was the, what was it, the

IWL International Wrestling League?

What were Thunderbolt and Jim using for their

anagram there?

You know, we could talk about the IWL, but I will not lead you down the wrong path.

This is before this.

Oh, no, this is IWL.

You're right.

Oh, no.

Never mind.

Turn the page and there it is.

Okay.

Yes.

Well,

he used it a couple of times.

He liked those letters.

Thunderbolt Patterson and Jim Wilson were trying to run

in Atlanta, and they were running

shows that were

basically to prove their claims that they had been discriminated against by the NWA and antitrust, racial discrimination in Thunderbolt's case, and sexual and or

just discrimination against anybody with bad haircuts in Jim Wilson's case.

And

they were able to get the Omni.

I think, didn't they threaten the Omni too with if you hold us out, we'll sue you.

And they were actually organizing protests of the few wrestling fans that would show up to carry a picket sign for a fucking unfair practices,

unfair labor practices suit by wrestlers in Georgia.

It didn't fucking fly, but they got in the Omni a couple of times.

This was not the first one.

So that's why you said

the show may not have happened.

And

I was just going to say, running down the talent, the Tonga Kid and Affair and Sika,

the Islanders,

are the only, you know, recognized.

And Tank Patton with Homer Odell, I don't know how they got involved.

The Magnificent Zulu was, this was

way past his prime, which was not very good in the ring.

And

do we have any idea who the super assassin number one was?

Because again, Jodi Hamilton, Tom Renesto, the assassins, were the

big team in Georgia wrestling, so they're trying to leech off of that.

But

I don't know if Shotgun Austin or Man Mountain Goliath ever made it.

Johnny Ringo

may have been a big star star if he had kept with it.

Would this have been 19,

Jesus Christ?

That's the only thing I'm not sure of because this is

not one of their later efforts.

They tried again after this, I believe.

I'm going to say, because of Tank Patton, Homer O'Dell, and

the Islanders at that point, I'm going to say this was 1979.

or is it 1980?

The purported date,

Saturday, October 12th,

1974.

What?

The city auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia.

You're kidding.

Where did you find that?

This program is astounding.

Let me read a few things in here.

Here's the.

I never knew they tried that this early

before

in the city auditorium.

Not even the Omni.

On one page, it says International Wrestling League Limited.

On the next page, International Wrestling Limited.

So I'm not sure exactly what the name is.

Here's the National Board of Directors and the Executive Committee.

The President, Thunderbolt Patterson.

Homer Odell.

Secretary is Pansy Burris.

I'm not sure who this lady is.

There's a picture of her here.

The Booker.

Dr.

Blood.

I bet she had some money.

The Booker, Dr.

Blood.

Dr.

Blood, the Booker.

It's good to to know that they've got corporate representation here there's a picture of the beautiful bobby here he's on the board i guess the public relations director and that obviously that's not bob harmon i don't think so i'm not sure who this is to be honest with you i'll send you a photo of this public relations director terry randolph

alpha

the legal counsel jo wyatt The treasurer, J.T.

Williams, the first vice president, Jim Wilson, and Big Tank Patton.

So that's the board of directors.

This is the new world of wrestling.

So predating the NWO,

Thunderbolt Patterson, and Jim Wilson here.

Attend church with Thunderbolt and Big Jim this Sunday, 12 noon, 775 Hunter Street, Northwest, the corner of Chestnut and Hunter.

Come dressed as you are,

Reverend Hosea Williams, pastor, come to the real Christian church, the church that feeds free soup to the poor every day from 12 noon to 4 p.m.

The church that collects and distributes free clothing to poor families.

The church that operates a poor people's bonding company.

The church that operates a free legal service.

The church that works with poor people from 9 a.m.

to 1 a.m., seven days a week, helping them solve all kinds of problems.

The church that

between 1 and 9 in the morning.

Don't fucking bother us.

The church that lives every day, what's preached Sunday.

So Big Jim and Thunderbolt will be there.

But now, and hold on.

What date was this in 74?

This was October 12th, 74.

Okay, because Tank Patton

worked in the Memphis territory as Doug Patton and was tag team partners with Phil Hickerson and managed by Sam Bass.

And then would later on go and Tank Patton was a name in the late 70s in the Leroy McGurk territory, being booked by Watts and various places down south.

But this is maybe the earliest I've heard him call Tank Patton.

But Homer O'Dell,

if they, especially if Homer O'Dell was involved on the board of directors, that was a thing Thunderbolt liked to do.

He liked to list all these people's names and make it sound grand.

We've got a board of directors.

We have a national head of this and that.

Its name's Dr.

Blood, right?

But still.

And Homer Odell was always wanting to get in office.

And I bet he probably had seen Tank Patton and said, hey, I'll manage you, boy, because Homer had been a manager for years.

And we're going to be in on the office.

I can hear Homer O'Dell talking now.

We're going to be in on the office on here, boy.

I can hear it right now.

And

I think Tank Patton would end up in Memphis about six weeks later.

So

this didn't tag off.

Well, the opening page of the program here, do you need more money?

Well, join us in the greatest money-making venture ever to hit Atlanta for black and white and rich and poor.

Is your future secure?

Will you have to depend on old age pension, social security, or welfare?

What about your loved ones and your children?

Is their future secure?

What would would happen if the good Lord decided to take you out of this world today?

Well,

NSC, going back to my tornado talk, you never know.

How does it work?

We are accepting 1,000 charter members in our $10 per month investment club.

Oh, no.

Each member invests $10 per month.

With 1,000 members in the club, we will have $10,000 per month to invest.

Placing this in a bank savings account for one year will give us a grand total of $120,000 to start our business and allow us to work for ourselves.

Wait a minute, pay it in a savings account.

I know back then they paid interest, but still,

we're going to take your money, we're going to put it in a bank and draw interest.

It's not even a goddamn pyramid scheme or some kind of stock scam.

How will we build a major business?

We will take your club's yearly income, form a legal corporation, hold an official meeting.

All members of our $10 per month club will be there and elect a board of directors.

A thousand of them.

And elect a board of directors.

They're going to hold the meeting in the city auditorium.

The board will select a business that has a very good chance to make it and that employs a large number of people.

We can then go to a bank with our business proposal and our $120,000.

All thousand of us are going down to that bank, my God, and we're going to get what we want.

And our $120,000 cash dollars and negotiate a plan for at least half a million dollars to finance our business.

Lord.

Then the board will get the small business administration of the federal government to participate.

through its one to ten plan.

If we have $120,000, the SBA could loan us 10 times that amount,

which will be $1,200,000.

We can build, and this is on caps, we can build one of Atlanta's largest and biggest money-making businesses.

The SCLC's $10 per month club has the answer.

How do you become part owner in our company?

Fill out the following application, attach $10 in cash, money order, or check made payable to the SCLC.

Preferably just

cash.

Wait a minute.

SCLC, what is he saying that stands for?

I don't know if they said it here, actually.

Because that's the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Oh, well.

But that ain't it.

The organizer of this is state representative-elect Reverend Hosea Williams.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

That's a race.

That's Thunderbolt Patterson was writing up this goddamn scheme of whatever and using

this is a recognized pastor in Atlanta, and the SCLC is a Southern Christian leadership conference.

And Thunderbolt's trying to say, this guy's involved, give me 10 bucks a month and this plan of how he's going to build the big.

If he's printing the plan of how he's going to build this business, why can't these people then just do it without him?

He's left the secret out of the bag.

If this worked out and a thousand people gave $10 dollars and they finally had this big meeting what do you think the chances are that the business they would decide to invest in would be a professional wrestling company run by thunderbolt patterson probably pretty good well we have a letter here from the reverend jose williams why i organized iwl the international wrestling league And this is under the rationale behind organization.

Okay, damn, if he was in on it, then maybe what's happened to Hosea Williams in the last 45, 50 years?

I don't know, but this is the rationale behind organizing.

Like any other human rights struggle, I became obsessed with the representation and exploitation of wrestlers.

As the late Dr.

Martin Luther King Jr.

once said, truth crushed to earth will rise again.

Well,

like blacks, wrestlers are rising up in the sun of manhood.

As I learned the truth about the enslavement of wrestlers, I could not help from yielding to what Victor Hugo said: all the armies are not as powerful as an idea whose time has come.

So, with my organizing experience, backed up with the ability of the SCLC and the determination of wrestlers, together we will not only economically emancipate wrestlers, but will elevate the sport of professional wrestling to a respectful height.

Signed the Reverend Hosea Williams.

And then here's the.

Hold on.

I have just

typed in

his Wikipedia.

He was a

didn't die until the year 2000.

American civil rights leader, activist, ordained minister, businessman, philanthropist, scientist, and politician.

Martin Luther King Jr.'s inner circle.

Oh, wow.

It has background here.

It has

early civil rights activism, political career.

He ran for senator, Georgia governor, et cetera, at various points in time.

I'm looking for wrestling promotion.

I'm not seeing wrestling promotion.

I'm saying, well, when he ran for mayor of Atlanta,

I'm seeing, I'm not seeing, oh, wait a minute, hold on here.

In 1974, Williams organized the International Wrestling League based in Atlanta with Thunderbolt Patterson serving as president.

And that's all it says.

We have something here from Thunderbolt Patterson, why I left the Alliance.

I love wrestling, as well as O.J.

Simpson loves football.

as well as Hank Aaron loves baseball.

But wrestling promoters don't like me.

It's not just me being enslaved and robbed.

99% of all wrestlers are dehumanized the same.

It's not a racial thing.

White wrestlers catch just as much hell as black wrestlers, other than in areas of promoting.

There have never been any black territory promoters.

Yes, I was making $60,000 a year.

But according to the houses I was drawing, I should have been making $300,000 a a year.

And it's not just what promoters have done to me.

I am more interested in what they have done and are doing to 99% of the other wrestlers.

For the past ten years, I've seen wrestlers mutilate their bodies, break their bones, and bust their heads for salaries that barely afforded their families a decent quality of life.

Yes, promoters have made millions, but the wrestlers were paid pennies.

And there's an official statement from Thunderbolt.

At least he's consistent.

The purpose of this is to liberate professional wrestlers, not only mentally, but also economically, and to make professional wrestling a free enterprise business.

But, you know, at the same time,

can you believe that Thunderbolt Patterson was able to sell

Hosea Williams on the idea of, well, he organized the IWL and then they didn't run anything and it didn't happen, but just that he was lending his Thunderbolt had a hell of a line to him that

this guy that was, you know,

running for fucking offices around the state was going to also be in a wrestling program where the guy said, what we're going to do is give us $10 a month.

A thousand of you, and we're going to put it in the bank and then this and that and the other thing.

What the fuck?

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Well, since we're on this topic and it would be ridiculous to do this as another guest of program, I have another program here from the IWL Volume 1, number 1.

This is from a card that was purported to have been booked to take place at the Omni

May 3rd, 1981.

Okay, I've got that one also.

They may have given all the programs out because there was nobody there to buy them.

Seven super matches, including the following wrestlers: Bob Orton Jr., Bob Roop, Ronnie Garvin, Rez Wheatley,

Al Perez,

Great

Maiko, Mauiko, M-A-H-I-W-K-O,

Big Red, Lars Anderson, Gerald Finley, Ted Allen, Terry Gibbs, and it says here, Hovi Tillet, H-O-V-I-E.

And then the other two matches.

Louis Tillette, by the way.

And by the way, almost all those guys were people who lived in Georgia, guys in the business that lived in Georgia at that time.

And the two matches listed Big Jim and Chief Jay Strongbow versus the Samoans and Thunderbolt Patterson versus the Chic.

And they had advertised Bob Orton Jr.

and some of those names at the start.

that were with at the time, or possibly maybe up until that point, had been with the papos in icw but that was right about the time that rupee and orton bailed out of that and and went to work for watts in louisiana right

this is right around that period of time correct 1981 and the chic had been trying to help the papos because he and angelo pafo went back all those years and he had really nowhere else to work his territory they'd closed the kobo etc

so he was trying to work with

the paphos as well and was a big name in georgia that thunderbolt could bring in that was not worried about pissing off the nwa strongbow is

that's surprising because

he jay strongbow lived for years in atlanta even when he was with the wwwf

at that point

You'd know better than me, was he still wrestling or was he already agenting?

Oh, no.

He was still in the ring at that point, wasn't he?

That may be, again, if this was really him and his photos in this program,

but if that was really him booked for this show, it probably would have been right before he came back with

Jules Strongbow, not the original, but Jules Strongbow and had that last run as a tag team

as a babyface.

I guess that would have been what he was three, yeah,

yeah, that's right.

But I'm surprised here's the thing: if he was booked on it,

he wouldn't have wanted to have upset Vince Sr., where he normally worked for all of those years.

And Barnett was still involved in Atlanta at that time.

But did they just advertise him because Thunderbolt was like, ah, get Strongbow?

He lives in Macon.

And

again, the Samoans always seemed to like,

or was this off and seek him by this point, but they always seemed to like to help Thunderbolt.

You know, one more thing.

And Big Jim Wilson.

Say again.

One more thing on all this.

I have here a page from a petition.

It looks for 60 signatures on this page.

I support Big Jim and Thunderbolt's right to fight for NWA championships.

We are issuing an open public challenge for these matches.

And there's a picture of Jim Wilson in the background.

Wanted your support help

to keep the American spirit of professional wrestlers alive.

Excuse me, a professional wrestling.

It's very faint.

Spirit of America in this country alive and in pro-sports in my struggle to upgrade and reform pro-wrestling by cheating American spirit, dignity, and honor.

All right.

That's.

But now here's the thing.

That was 1981, right?

That's why when I heard the other one,

I was thinking it was that round.

And I said, that.

Sounds like an early one where I said 79, 80, or whatever.

But think about this.

That was 19, the first one, 1974, the second one, 1981.

Same kind of thing, same names in some cases on the fucking card, and Thunderbolts railing against the establishment.

In between that time,

Thunderbolt Patterson had gone back to work for Georgia Championship Wrestling.

in the late 70 for a couple of different runs and been featured and been

used on top.

And after this, he would come back and work again for Oli in 83.

And

every time that if you, if he wasn't there permanently, every time they said, well, gee, you know,

you're getting older and ain't really much else we can do right now.

Then he'd go back to run an opposition.

But Jim Wilson

never went back because he was the shits and never drew any money to begin with like Thunderbolt did.

And he had just been so stunningly full of shit and exposing the business and saying that shit about fucking Barnett

that he was never able to wrestle anywhere ever again and rightfully so.

But every time that Thunderbolt would get pissed at the office, he must have called Jim Wilson.

Okay, Jim, I'm mad at him again.

You want to fucking do?

Okay.

I'll be right back, T-Bolt.

And actually what the fuck?

On the back of the petition, it has a copy of a newspaper article doesn't have the date by Daryl Simmons, journal staff writer, wrestlers win rounds one and two.

The antitrust suit against the National Wrestling Alliance and Georgia Championship Wrestling, brought by former Georgia All-American football player Jim Wilson, will continue in federal court here.

U.S.

District Court Judge Robert H.

Hall has issued an order denying the defendant's motion for summary dismissal of complaints brought under the Clayton and Sherman Acts of antitrust law.

Here's a quote from Jim Wilson: This now opens the federal courtroom for us, and I'm encouraged about my chances now.

Wilson, an All-America tackle at Georgia in 1964, and a National Football League player with the Atlanta Falcons, Los Angeles Rams, and San Francisco 49ers, was a main event wrestler in matches promoted by Georgia Championship Wrestling and sanctioned by the NWA until November 1973.

Well, let's stop there.

That's one of the issues with Jim Wilson's stuff.

Even when he has legitimate complaints, he says he was a main eventer.

He was never a main eventer at 73.

No.

In the middle of the wrestling war?

Well, I mean, he may have main evented fucking Sneedville, Georgia at the high school back in those days on a B-show or something.

I mean, at some point, anything could happen.

But no, it was ridiculous.

And that's why, again,

another part of his story

was that

they told him, oh, you're going to be the NWA world champion.

We're going to make you the champion.

And, but you, you, you won't sleep with Barnett.

What the fuck?

I think Barnett could afford

better looking guys than Jim Wilson to begin with.

But

the idea that, yes, at some point,

everybody, when you get into business, oh, you could be the champion.

Maybe you could have been the Georgia champion.

Again, stranger things have happened.

But the NWA champion is what he was claiming.

And it was ridiculous.

And the only reason he got into business was because he had been a name, a college football name in Georgia.

And that's the only place he ever wrestled.

And

it didn't pan out.

He wasn't Jack Briscoe.

But then he spent the next fucking 15 years suing everybody

because they couldn't recognize his fucking greatness.

Of everybody that's ever had a gripe about how they've been treated or

screwed on money or whatever in a wrestling business, Jim Wilson wasn't one of them.

But he was the most persistent.

The suit, which has been in litigation since 1976,

contends the NWA and GCW had blackballed Wilson as a wrestler.

because of his starting a rival wrestling organization.

In addition to the NWA and GCW as defendants, individuals named are Paul Jones, president of GCW, Tom Renesto, a booker for GCW, James Barnett, majority stockholder and chairman of the board of GCW,

Fred Ward, GCW Vice President, and Eddie Graham, president of the NWA.

In September 1974, Wilson and another wrestler, Thunderbolt Patterson, who is one of the the strongest draws among black wrestlers, were instrumental in forming the International Wrestling League.

The league, according to Wilson, sought to compete with national wrestling and tried to establish medical insurance and retirement benefits for wrestlers.

My God, you know what?

We were still hearing this five years ago, right?

Ten years ago, with Shane Douglas bought that line of shit from that guy, he was telling people, oh, this is really going to happen.

That's what Cody said was going to happen with AEW, if you remember those early days.

Yes, yet it never ends.

Which was unheard of at the time.

The founders also hoped, Wilson said, to develop sophisticated marketing techniques for jackets, bags, and other novelties, the proceeds of which would be used to fund the benefits.

But Wilson's lawsuit maintains, in addition to systematically blacklisting any wrestlers who associated with the fledgling league, the officials of National Wrestling allegedly sabotaged the league's bouts and attempted to harass or bribe wrestlers into staying with national wrestling as part of a conspiracy to restrain competition the defendants

i i don't know i don't know brian how you gonna

how you're gonna sabotage beautiful bobby versus captain soul

I don't know, but that's that program.

That went long.

One more program.

We can't end on that one.

Should I give you a layout?

They did.

Should I give you a layup?

Let me see.

Let me see.

Let me see.

This is an easy one.

This would be an easy.

I'm revving up now.

I got one.

I'm going to get one here.

Okay.

Well, what better time to start than now?

Here's this program.

Give me a second.

I have to open this up.

It's in plastic.

Jim, the opening.

This at a truck stop or what?

Jim, the opening contest listed here.

Actually, the intermission bout is the first bout listed.

Jesus Ortega vs.

Cowboy Dick Hutton.

Good lord.

Mr.

Moto vs.

Rocky Hunter.

John Paul Henning vs.

Carl von Schober.

Televised bouts.

Oh, these were all televised so far.

Great Togo and Yoshimo Sato vs.

Sammy Berg and and Don Duffy.

And the main event, no TV, World Championship bout, two out of three falls, one hour time limit, The Destroyer versus Gorgeous George.

Well,

now we fully establish exactly where we're at.

Don Duffy.

Don Duffy worked in the Memphis territory in 1973.

I think he worked under a hood as the scorpion, partnered with Jerry Lawler after Jim White left the territory, and then

was partners with crazy Luke Graham and a regular tag team.

Luke Graham and Don Duffy.

And I don't hear much about his name either before or since.

Sammy Berg was a well-known West Coast

name at that point in time.

Mr.

Moto,

of course, one of the classic names of 50s and early 60s wrestling, Dick Hutton against, is that Bull Ortega, Jesus or Jesus Ortega?

I believe it's Chess Ortega.

I can't really.

Chess Ortega.

But Dick Hutton had been

the NWA champion, and

by popular demand, he was asked to leave that position.

John Paul Hennig, famous babyface, was over in St.

Louis at one point, remarkably so.

Some of this is TV, some of it's not, but the main event with the destroyer and gorgeous George for the world title.

tells me that we are in the Olympic Auditorium

in the

very early 60s, because if it was after Christmas of 63,

George would be a zombie.

But it's the WWA title that was the California World title.

And I think it's the Olympic Auditorium.

And I would say it would have to be what?

Is this the period of time where George was kind of needing the bookings?

And that's another reason why some matches were on TV and some were not, because they were doing TV from the Olympic at that point, 1961.

The Olympic Auditorium, the date, Wednesday, November 7th, 1962.

The final match of Gorgeous George.

I was going to say 62 and then I gave myself some space.

Son of a gun.

You're a, you're a, wait a minute.

You're a very morbid individual getting all these programs from promotions that die and then people that that's their last match and then they're dead

what the hell is talking about how does that make me a morbid individual well you're very morbid it's like you want that you want to buy the car they shot bonnie and clyde in no i don't but if there was a program i may buy that program but no this is a famous wrestling card i think it's an important one gorgeous george loses his hair and his career is over so this was the hair match i believe so yes and finally, Jim, I'll hit you with one last one because that was rather quick.

This one will be two.

Unbeknownst to me, I didn't realize that I bought a lot of 15 or 20 of this exact same program over and over again.

The opening contest: Frank Lane versus Prince Iukea.

The second contest, Coco Samoa versus Jack Hart.

For a title I will not name, Tyree Pride versus Rip Oliver.

Blackjack Mulligan and Kendall Wyndham versus Maha Singh in the Purple Haze.

A bullrope match.

Barry Wyndham versus Kevin Sullivan.

And the main event, a lumberjack match, $5,000 appearance bond.

Wahoo McDaniel versus Lex Luger.

Well,

we are definitely in the state of Florida and some interesting names there.

Frank Lane was not cowboy Frankie Lane, but it was a guy that used to work as Frank Lancaster.

Prince, the prince was the King Curtis's son, or was it his nephew?

He was in the family, wasn't it?

It may be Rocky.

It may be his son.

I'm not sure.

There's no picture in here.

Coco Samoa was the

miniature Jimmy Snooka that worked as Sabu the Wild Man in Memphis in 1983, 82 and 83, the original Sabu.

But most of the time he was Coco Samoa.

He was often a babyface, but he was a great body, curly hair, the snooka look, but only like five foot six.

But Jack Hart was Barry Horowitz.

Tyree Pride was the

champion of the Bahamas, and

they used him in florida because they ran the bahamas and if they put him on the television he'd be even that much bigger over there

pun intended because he was like

what tyree pride was like 175 pounds back when that kind of thing wasn't done wasn't he am i remembering correctly he was not a bigger guy and i don't remember him wrestling too many places other than where he wrestled uh rip oliver of course uh mostly known for the Northwest and Don Owens promotion, Portland.

He was the guy that Billy Jack brought with him to Dallas that was featured in the Billy Jack Dark Side of the Ring.

And, of course, Blackjack and Kendall.

That narrows down the year here just a bit, as does our main event, which we'll get to.

And Barry Window being on a card against Kevin Sullivan.

And then the Lumberjack match with Wahoo and Luger.

That puts it Luger didn't start until 85, and he was in Crockett by 87.

So that really narrows our time frame.

And

from the size of this card and the names on it,

even though they weren't doing super business at that point,

this was right before Crockett bought Florida.

So I'm going to say 1986 and

is it

Miami?

Is it St.

Petersburg?

Is it

Jacksonville?

Let's go with

Miami in 1986.

The date, Friday, November 29th, 1986,

fought Lauderdale, Florida, the War Memorial Auditorium.

Son of a bitch.

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Thanksgiving Day is traditionally celebrated by having turkey for dinner, which reminds me that there is one turkey who probably didn't get invited to dinner by anyone.

I'm talking about Bob Roop.

Also known as Maha Singh.

The reason why Roop probably ate Thanksgiving dinner out of a brown paper bag these many years is that nobody likes him.

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And of course, Jim.

I just always found Roop a little sour, but I didn't know that he was both a pig and a

turducken or whatever the fuck.

But yes, Brian.

How about what do you make of the fact that he wasn't brought in or, you know, around this period of time or in 87 at all?

Because so many of the people who were working for Florida, Dusty would bring in Barry Wyndham, Lex Lugra.

Again, those are young main eventers, but Kevin Sullivan would make it up there.

Rupe never made it out of Florida again.

Why do you think that?

Well, do you remember that when

Crockett took over the Atlanta office in 85, Rup was there?

And Rup worked for a brief period of time

on the continued working for Crockett in,

what, summer, fall of 85 on the West Virginia towns we were going in in the ohio towns and et cetera and then that's when roop went somewhere else i i can't remember and yet i never saw roop again i think besides the fact that he was getting a little older and a little fleshier at that point he was just so goddamn unexciting and also so dreary to me it's like he was always

we call Bobby and Dennis and I called him Droopy Rupe.

We'd see him in the hotel lobby, you know, a morning we're about to leave for a town.

Morning, Bob.

Morning, boys.

You know, and plus, he, I believe that,

because Slater had been the booker for the Atlanta end when Crockett first absorbed that.

And Dusty, you know, relieved him of that.

I think Roop thought he was going to get in the office.

I don't think Dusty wanted Rupe in the office.

And I think they parted ways, something like that.

Yeah, I don't know what that relationship was like they were both big stars in Florida I once asked a wrestler and I won't use their name about Bob Rup like why wasn't he a bigger star or whatever and the answer I was given was nobody wanted a chubby Jack Brusco

but Jim that was guess the program and you know maybe one day I'll say I have so many programs I have extras I need to sell some of these or perhaps mom and pop businessman out there says I have so much stuff I need to start selling him or maybe they start a business could be a number of reasons.

Yes.

Maybe mom and pop just decide, you know, hey, we got too much shit.

We're just going to sell everything we've got and move to some nudist colony in Greenlawn, Indiana.

Well, that may not.

How'd you like to see your mom and pop naked, wandering around in the woods with other people, folks?

The woods.

Well, that's where it is.

You can't just be wandering down the city streets naked.

There's laws against that.

I've never actually thought about this.

If there was a nudist colony, are they typically in the woods?

Is that where you have these kind of things oh you got to put them back behind trees because there's nothing else to cover those things up what about ticks

well the youth ticks can buy their own

clothing

you know and you can't hardly cover much up on a human being with a tick

well jim what's

imagine if instead of fig leaves it had been ticks over those classic paintings well people would have got arrested for pornography folks i'll tell you one thing that you can't do with our friends at shopify is sell pornography.

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Let's talk about regular everyday sales and items.

And let's say perhaps you make candles.

Let's say you like to paint pictures.

Let's say you make an interesting craft that's unique to you and proprietary to you and you want to sell it.

Candles, you mentioned candles.

My aunt went to a girls' school.

They had a tradition about candles.

Lights out at nine, candles out at 11.

But I'll i'll tell you folks if you

have something that you want your mother and father to sell maybe you just want to have your mother and father just sell everything they've got just said just get it out of the way now while there's still time if you want to start a business there's no better way in the world to do it than shopify because our friends at shopify

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You can take a picture of your significant other naked and send it to them and they will enhance it to where it looks like no

they will boy i'll tell you what no i see you know that's a john holmes got started that way that is not how john holmes got started and i know how

these aren't the best examples we should use get the word out

because you don't have a marketing

your word what word would you

let's say is the word

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And another thing they do is they put the leaflets in the boxes and they take them up in the helicopters and they'll drop them.

And then the people, the residents of the town, they know they've got like two or three days to.

to give you money before bad shit starts happening.

No, no, they don't have helicopters.

They They don't have helicopters.

Well, no, now it's all drones.

I'm sorry.

But point being,

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And then if you're on the Shopify team, Shopify turns around and sends it to you.

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And you got a nice town there.

It'd be a shame if anything happened to it.

Listen, folks, wherever you, let's say you don't even want your mother and father to sell all their possessions.

Oh, my God.

Let's say you just want your wife to get the hell out of town and sell all her stuff.

Or if you've got an idea about making the candles or the bath salts or the

bath bombs or whatever, although that seems to me the bath bomb business, I never understood that because it seems like if you're already in the bath and then you bomb it, shit would happen to you, but people sell those now.

Let's talk about an actual example that won't get us in trouble.

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Well, there you go.

They could power your store, whether you are a ma or a pop or just a little kid.

Well, I guess not that's not the best example.

Well, now you

always get the child of mom and pop.

Child is

always get on me for

saying that these child labor laws are outdated.

We ought to go back to the days when the kids at five or six were able to learn self-reliance at a trade.

No, we shouldn't.

But at Shopify, they don't have to dig ditches.

They can just sit and type in code all day.

There are no children laborers at Shopify.

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But of course, what they have there,

what they have that, what they could do for you is really what I'm talking about, ladies and gentlemen.

What they could do for you, no one could do for you.

And you want Shopify.

Shopify could be on your side for just a dollar a month, Jim.

Yes, they can because that's a trial period during which time they check you out.

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And then you determine whether or not that you would like to continue with this money-making opportunity.

And, you know, if you don't, hey, there's no, no, no shame in that whatsoever.

You want to be a bum, you know, living on the bounty of the county for the rest of your life instead of going out there and creating an empire for yourself.

No hard feeling.

Imagine if Thunderbolt Patterson had Shopify.

You know, that's the thing.

He could have sold these grand ideas that he had on the internet.

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And then imagine that.

If you go to the bank with that money, then they'll give you more money.

Who are you with?

You with Lehman Brothers or who do you invest with?

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Thunderbolt Patterson is my

financial guru.

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Shopify's actions speak for itself.

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All right, a dramatic end to a dramatic beginning of the show here.

We are now time.

We are now here.

We are now ready for the second.

We are now here.

We've ended the beginning.

It's all downhill from here.

Jim,

let's talk a little bit about modern wrestling as it airs on TV or whatever we call it nowadays.

As it unfolded the other night.

And I've got to say, for one thing, SmackDown last week, I read the recap.

That's when we were in the middle of determining whether we were going to all die or not.

So

I read the recap.

There was nothing.

earth shaking and there's more important things going on.

So we're trying to catch up now.

We're going to start up with Raw on May 19th.

That was a Monday night on the Netflix.

And

boy, howdy, this thing's gotten awfully long.

Some highlights of this were

AJ Styles and Pinta going about 30 minutes with Finn Balor and J.D.

McDonough.

They had a multiple woman's money in the bank qualifier.

They had Seamus versus Grayson Waller.

They had

a lot of commercials, a lot of spots.

And before we talk about the good segments and/or unfortunately, the

controversial segment or the one people are talking about,

this is

you said it best when you sent me an email that you got that they sent out to people as a promotional tool to try to make them watch their television.

And it was like they advertised every

mid-card person wrestling wrestling that you could find on their roster and

nothing appealing.

The matches are just in between the segments with the stars coming out and becoming orators.

And it's kind of just coasting now, isn't it?

Yeah, they keep sending out this email preview of SmackDown and Raw and NXT also, actually.

And they're now convincing me not to watch their shows.

And these ads, like you said, and I hate to classify anyone as mid-card, people are over.

People are buying tickets.

This may be just me.

But they put all these people in there.

It's like if the attitude error did the same thing, but you didn't have Austin or The Rock or The Undertaker or Mick Foley.

You could list everything else on the show except for those four.

And I know that, you know, sometimes you want a guy to do a surprise run-in.

Certain guys are not being booked on the show right now.

Cody's obviously repairing himself or whatever.

But it's the same characters week in and week out.

And that's always been wrestling.

But that was always when wrestling was a one-hour show.

Three hours of

nothing

really moving and matches that are just matches, but

I don't know.

Again, it may be just me.

I'm just not into it right now.

And the emails they send out.

to hype me up on their television shows have been the preview I needed to say, I'll just watch the Mets and the other monitor in the office doesn't really need to be on.

And you know, that's the thing.

We're uh, and

we'll probably do it on.

I've got a list of some of the gates they've been doing lately.

We'll probably do that on the experience, but they're making money hand over fist, but

this is not a thrill ride

for three hours of SmackDown on Friday or two hours and 30 minutes of RAW on Mondays,

as much as it is a chance to see

one, you know,

one kind of sort of angle.

And otherwise, the guys are doing personal appearances and talking you into the building for their next fucking match, which is not going to be on that show that you're watching.

And I know that's part of wrestling, but it just seems like everything takes so fucking long to accomplish.

You know, I'm getting older, Brian.

I don't have just unlimited amounts of time to spend

having Logan Paul and Gunther have a

therapy session,

you know, for 15 minutes.

That's what they started the show off with.

And it was good.

Logan Paul is an excellent heel personality.

He's got attitude in his promos.

He can talk.

He's got the facial expressions.

He's an obnoxiously strutting body language type of heel.

And,

you know, he's doing a good promo, but he's cutting a promo on Jay Uso and he disrespects Gunther in the process because

obviously we know who Jay beat for the world title.

So Gunther comes out

because Gunther gets the winner of Logan Paul against Jay three weeks from now on raw.

Maybe.

Why is Phoenix a big deal?

Why are they giving us a main event in Phoenix?

By the time we get to Phoenix,

will he still be champion?

But

he gets the winner of that match from Saturday night's main event on Raw.

And the fans are into Gunther, Channing, you tapped out at Gunther.

And they're into just booing Logan Paul.

So they had reaction here, but Gunther.

is kind of the nominal baby face.

You know, you seem so sure that you can beat the guy who who beat me.

So you think you're better than it's like the Mendel bombs.

You think you're better than me?

And then he Gunther, for

English being a second language, can speak better than the guys whose English is the first language.

And he put him over and suckered Logan Paul into thinking he was complimenting him.

and saying, I could learn from you.

You're a self-made social media megastar.

You can teach me about the marketing and the social media because to you it's business see you like my gunther accent it's not terrible it sounds just like him doesn't it not bad

well to you it's business but to me it's personal beating jey uso is personal so if you take that away from me i'm going to take it personal and he said basically

I don't like being respected by non-wrestlers.

And everybody, whoo,

at least Pat McAfee showed some fucking heart.

You have no heart.

And if you beat Jay

and take that rematch away from me, I will eat you alive.

And then Gunther walks out on him.

And once Gunther's out of the ring, Logan Paul starts, oh, come on, big guy.

You're going to leave?

You're going to leave?

And suddenly, Jay Uso's in the ring behind Logan Paul.

He turns around and gets super kicked, boom.

And

there, poor old Logan Paul is colder than a banker's heart.

And

Jay told him that he'd seen Saturday and he'd see Gunther in Phoenix.

Why does Phoenix get all the goddamn good stuff, Brian?

I don't know.

The dry air?

Well, that wouldn't have anything to do with it.

For heaven's sake, the dew point would have nothing to do with the level of card that they're putting into Phoenix.

Is there some, is it some kind of anniversary?

What's going on here?

Maybe they have cheap Kratom.

I don't know.

That's it.

You know,

Arizona has got, they got all that cheap stuff at the truck stops and the gas stations.

But I mean, this was a nice performance by these guys.

It may could have taken five or 10 minutes less, but that was pretty much the highlight of the first.

Well, that was actually the highlight till we got to the main event.

Your thoughts?

You know, the fans really wanted to make a lot of noise and scream as much as they could, and they did.

And it created an interesting dynamic.

And I thought the stuff with Gunther and Logan Paul, again, it's one heel talking down another,

but it was interesting.

And I agree, it was the highlight of the show.

And I didn't watch too much more of the show.

And I feel better for it.

Well, before we go to the main event, because I watched the main event, because my boy Braun,

Braun Breaker is in it.

But

the news coming out of the show was Zoe Stark got injured.

And

if I'm not mistaken, she's just come off of a knee injury and came back not long ago, right?

And so this has got to be just.

I know how she feels literally.

And I'm not being a smart ass when I say that because of the knee injuries.

And in my case, I hurt one and then had just got that one

okay and hurt the other one.

I think this may be the same one.

Again, I don't know.

But

everybody was trying to analyze what happened and we still don't know what the

specifics of the injury are yet.

I don't know if it's knee, if it's a broken bone of what the fuck it it might have been.

It looked like the knee.

But it was a three-way with Rhea Ripley and Zoe Stark and Carrie Sane for the

another the winner goes on to the money in the bank thing qualifier, whatever.

But it wasn't a ladder match, it was a regular three-way.

But did you ever get to see this clip yet?

So that you or you know what I'm saying?

I haven't.

When Rhea Ripley did her entrance, that's kind of when I cut out and just went completely to the the mech game until the very end of the show.

So I heard about the injury after the fact, but I still have not seen the clip.

I don't know if I want to, but I haven't.

Well, the thing, it's not really that gruesome because the camera shot was the least optimal it could be for you to see anything

because they almost missed it completely.

And

trying to set the scene,

Zoe Stark was in the ring, right?

And she had taken a bump and rolled.

If you're watching the hard camera, she had rolled to the left.

Rhea Ripley was to the right on the floor.

And Carrie Sane was in the ring in the middle.

So apparently, because they didn't get a wide camera shot, so you never knew what Zoe Stark was doing until the moment that you saw her fly into the shot suddenly.

But

as Carrie Sane is looking at Rhea Ripley on the floor, she starts doing the thing where she's bouncing like she's going to turn and run to the ropes behind her and hit those and run back and dive on Rhea Ripley, right?

You've seen that a million times.

I can see it as you're saying it, yeah.

Okay.

And what's supposed to happen

is that since Zoe Stark has rolled out on the apron,

she is going to do a springboard into a missile dropkick so that when Carrie Sane turns to hit the ropes, she's going to run and meet the dropkick.

So you still with me?

Yeah.

Here was the problem.

Apparently,

from what I could tell, Zoe Stark did the springboard

before Carrie Sane ever turned.

And Carrie Sane

wasn't going to turn, apparently.

Because the camera shot is from a floor camera of Carrie Sane

from behind bouncing like she's going to turn and run.

But suddenly you hear a voice scream, Carrie!

And then a split second later, Zoe Stark flies into the shot right as Carrie Sane turns around.

But Zoe Stark lands short.

of Carrie Sane, doesn't dropkick her with her right leg bent under her.

Not even like she's going to drop kick her, but like the

nearest I can explain this is

if you're in midair and you realize you're going to land on somebody or somebody is not going to be where they're supposed to be to

catch you or whatever.

Some people put their arm down.

Some people put their leg down.

Somebody's like, oh shit, I can't drop kick her in the back or I'm going to land short.

I

better adjust and try to land with my feet under me.

Whatever the fuck was going through her mind when Carrie didn't turn,

she tried to pull the drop kick up and got the right leg underneath her and kind of speared down into the mat

right at Carrie's feet where Carrie then fell over the top of her.

And instantly,

Zoe started screaming that you could hear it.

And everybody just looked and, oh, shit, froze.

And the doctors immediately rolled in.

Everything came to a halt, and they went to an unplanned break.

The announcers never pitched the break, but in this case, they didn't know it was coming.

So

that's what I hate to

blame.

the girl that got hurt

but she just jumped up and sprayed.

She, I guess, took it on faith when Carrie started bouncing that she was going to turn.

Well, Carrie started bouncing, but she never turned and she was all the way across the ring.

So

Zoe really had to fucking jump.

And it was just...

It was like she would have been better off, I think, trying to hit her in the back with the dropkick

because it wouldn't have fucked Carrie Sane up nearly as bad as it would have, as it fucked Zoe Stark up.

But anyway, they

what did it look like to you?

Did it look like if you had to diagnose it from afar, someone who's had an easy thing?

Oh, oh, no, I mean, this could have easily broken your fucking leg.

There, if you, I was able, even though this was on Netflix,

I was able to hit the pause when

just accidentally at the right time.

And it her leg was bent into a fucking

like a question mark.

Oh, oh, see, I don't need to see this.

Oh, boy.

So, I mean, it, it, it,

it didn't look like there was a, an obvious bone, like the, the, the shin didn't bend completely sideways, but her leg was all crumpled up underneath her.

So it could have been ankle, knee, bone, hip, anything in that general vicinity.

But they carried her out.

And then they came back from the break and said she was injured and continued to match as a single and Rhea won because she was going to anyway.

But

yeah,

but that's like she just

jumped and springboarded all the way across the fucking ring when this girl wasn't even looking at her yet.

And by the way, you said Kyrie Sane.

I didn't realize she was back.

Is that her return match?

I think she, yeah, she just got back.

So they beat her in her return match?

Well, that's the thing.

Aria was going to win, obviously, because they wouldn't have beat her, either one of them, but she might have been supposed to beat Zoe.

But,

well, so Zoe can take comfort and she got out of doing the job.

Yeah, I'm sure she'll have great comfort with that.

Yes, that'll make her nip right up.

And let me ask you a quick question.

I know, based on what you just described, it's more than an ACL.

But in the past, you know, let's say before Star 886,

was it that there were a lot of of guys working without ACLs or a lot of ACL tears before it was a diagnosed thing?

And it's just the same as now, or is it just that it wasn't happening as frequently back then?

No, it's 10 times more ACLs now.

When I tore, mine was the first time that I'd heard of it.

No, I'm sorry, I tell a lie.

Khrushchev, Darso was right before me, Crusher Khrushchev.

His was February of 86.

That's the first time that I had heard of the ACL.

And

when you think about it,

there wasn't this insistence on either jumping off of high things or doing the balancing or the springboarding or the velocity that people are spinning to the floor at a blah, blah, blah.

And an ACL injury was more of a football thing.

The guys already, some of them didn't have an ACL from their football days.

But it wasn't a major thing in wrestling.

Like we've talked about Terry Gordy having two of them torn.

And that was a freak thing.

And that was right around this period of time.

86 was when he really started taping up those knees.

Well, yeah, because as I told you, he told me because I asked him, we were talking about knee problems.

It was a simple thing.

A guy had picked him up and give him an atomic drop.

And when he planted planted his leg, it was straight and it boom, snapped the ACL.

And then

a year or two later, compensating overcompensating on the other leg,

because he never had that one fixed, he ended up tearing the other one.

That's when he dropped that weight.

But guys would work in those days because you couldn't take six to nine months off.

But at the same time,

they weren't working through torn ACLs nearly as often, often, nearly as much as they are now because the difference in the style.

And still,

if you tear your ACL, you're going to be off for a couple of weeks,

regardless of a few weeks, whether you do any goddamn thing about it or not.

Whether you're Superman or not, you're going to be off for a while.

And guys didn't get hurt to take weeks off on

anything near a regular basis back then.

And you wouldn't really have a fucking choice in a lot of cases

whether you had to take time off or something like that.

So

it's just,

you know, again, springboard, flying, leaping, landing in awkward positions, catching people with weight on your legs, when you might not be braced exactly correctly.

All these things are magnified with what guys are doing these days.

This has been been injuries with Jim Cornette.

We will now return.

And I can tell you, if anybody wants to know, the worst thing that you can do to

leave yourself open for a blown ACL

is, and I'm not saying this is what she's got, but the ACL is the sports medicine doctors told me 80%.

85% maybe of the ACL injuries happen when your foot, your leg is straight out and your foot is planted and you get clipped or land at an odd angle to where your leg goes sideways.

When your leg is bent, even at like a 20-degree angle, the muscles take over,

helping

stabilize your knee somewhat.

But when it's straight out and somebody clips you, you can.

That's why I used to fight those fucking fans try to kick me in the legs.

If your leg is straight out, you can take a little bump from the side and it can blow blow your ACL, just like that.

So

always keep your legs bent slightly.

If you're landing from high positions or somebody's going to fucking leap on you and you're going to catch them,

you know, crouch a little bit.

It'll take pressure off your knees.

But.

By the same token, the MCL, the medial collateral ligament, a lot of those injuries happen to regular civilians when they're in car wrecks and their knees hit the

dashboard or the front of the car and fold up and bend back too far.

And then the PCL is

a thing you get when you hyperextend.

So it just depends on this leg was bent all kinds of different directions.

So I don't know what she could have done.

All right.

Any more raw?

Oh, yes.

I forgot.

It's almost done.

It's not raw anymore.

It's almost cooked.

Braun Breaker and Jay Uso.

I have observations.

Braun Breaker is the goddamn greatest star in the history of wrestling.

He is more natural.

And we've been watching him for about three years now.

I think he has done better in the first three years and taking this

more naturally than anybody in our 2001 OVW class.

The timing, the flow, the smoother work.

He's

Jay, after 15 years, ain't got the timing.

And Braun's already, and Braun's having to wait for him or adjust for Jay.

And that's the thing.

Braun was aggressive in this.

They went a while, threw a few breaks.

Braun is a heel.

He does heel shit, not just move after move.

But then he does the

Brekensteiner or the spear or the clothesline.

People love that, but otherwise he's an obnoxious heel in word and deed.

And,

you know, he just at one point they were doing a one-two and Jay's timing is just, it's a beat off.

And Braun had to adjust for him rather than the veteran giving the rookie the flow.

But they love Jey Uso.

He's over, so you can't, you know, take that away from him

but anyway um

at one point braun did

give him a belly-to-belly overhead

and instead of going overhead jay came down on his shoulder and his arms i don't or his arm rather i

i think he was going sideways like magnum ta and braun was going overhead like a Northern Lights, whatever the fuck.

But they did some good false finishes with the spear and the Brekensteiner.

And

finally, Paul actually did something.

Paul drew Jay Uso's attention and Braun got the chair.

And then Paul had the referee, but Jay kicked Braun

and he lost the chair and Braun went to the floor.

And when Uso hit the ropes to dive on him, Paul pulled his leg.

And that's the most physical that poor old Paul's been in years now.

I hope that they didn't have to brace him with a series of hydraulic braces so his shoulder wouldn't come out of the socket when he did that.

But anyway, Jay goes after Paul on the floor and

this was great part.

And people are loving this shit because they had the this is awesome chance going and they got the false finishes in.

And now Uso's after Paul and Paul whips his suit jacket off and he puts his fists up like he's going to fight him.

And then Seth levels Jay from behind.

Ding, ding, ding, get the DQ going.

And then that's Seth and Jay fighting, but Braun stops Jay and they get some heat on him.

But here comes Sammy.

And Sammy comes to the ring to face off against Braun and fucking Seth.

But he's going to need help.

And the people start chanting, see him, Punk, CM.

They're calling for it.

And then, like mussolini

because you chanted for me

and the place blows and as punk comes down to the apron and jumps up next to sammy they cut the music and the whole arena sang the rest of the song a cappella

you know a cappella oh a cappella The whole place sang

to the bridge, as they say, and then they jumped in and got in a big fight and got and went out to the floor and had the big four-way and brawn-tatered punk on the side of the head.

He was like, Jesus Christ,

and they fought out into the arena,

and the people are going crazy, and it's all wild.

S was great.

And then Jey Uso gets back to his feet in the ring and goes, Well, where'd everybody go?

And he turns around, and Logan paused in the ring and knocks him out.

And scene.

So the last five minutes

was just swell.

All right.

Well, that was WWE Raw.

Big Saturday night's main event coming up.

Is that this weekend?

That is Saturday night's main event on Saturday and Sunday's hangover from AEW on Sunday.

Double or nothing Sunday.

I'll take nothing.

Which show do you think will be better?

Are you kidding?

I'm talking

about Anarchy in the arena.

This could be the one that's finally good.

No, it depends on what you're looking for.

If you're looking for hours upon hours upon hours of self-indulgent marks over and over masturbating and filleting themselves in front of a small to mid-sized crowd and pretending to be superstars, then

you're going to go with AEW.

And if you're looking for actual legitimate superstars to come out and do the bare minimum for the shortest amount of time,

then you're headed over to Saturday night's main event, baby.

So what do you think?

Should we go feast or famine?

I think it may be feast and famine this weekend.

And of course, we'll have that next week here on the show.

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Jim!

Of course, that means it's time to move on.

And as we move on here with the show, I have some audio.

Let's stay on the topic of WWE.

I have some audio that a lot of listeners sent over in the last week, and I think it was because different parts of it went viral at different points.

Oh, is this again our favorite old married couple are having fusses again?

And I've got people tweeting me this like crazy.

So I'm glad you brought it up so we can put this to rest.

We've talked about Dave Melcher and Brian Alvarez's discussions/slash arguments about AEW booking in the past, but now it's spread to WWE.

Let's see who we agree with.

Again, a lot of people sending this over.

It's from F4W Online's YouTube channel.

Is Solo Sokoa being booked well?

We'll stop this at various points, Jim.

If you have a thought, just honk your horn.

Unlike if Dave and Brian have a thought, it dies of loneliness.

Running down, and then JC and them got in a brawl.

And Nick Aldous comes out and he signed them to an impromptu match.

And they had a long impromptu match, and it wasn't particularly exciting.

It was very sluggish.

Okay, one thing, I hope that that's not Jeff Cobb's

new wrestling gear.

He was just doing that because it was an impromptu match.

Well, yeah, it was supposed to be an impromptu match.

So, so I get that that could be what it is, but I'm kind of.

Let me stop it there.

What did he wear?

Did you see it?

I, well,

isn't that when he

ran in, or is this, are they talking about the week after?

I'm lost on the frame of reference.

Oh, well, that's probably it then.

I wouldn't understand why he wouldn't be wearing wrestling gear if he was,

but it was an impromptu match.

But

nevertheless, his name isn't Jeff Cobb anymore.

We didn't bring that up.

Because remember last week, they said it's the biggest free agent in the world, Jeff Cobb.

And I said, okay,

solo sokoa jacob fatu jay uso jimmy jeff cobb is not very samoan or bloodlinish

and they've changed it

and now you know move over chief peter my via

jc mateo

is jeff cobb's new name

which kind of sounds like a car dealership somewhere on the coast of oregon but

i don't know what he was wearing So that, but Dave's the fashion police.

So let's go back to the dynamic duo from Wrestling Observer Radio.

Scared that because it's the exact same thing that he wore it, the thing that that's like what he's supposed to because that is like

that is like nothing happening gear.

He's got to get out of that for sure.

By the way, you mentioned Solo Sokoa being protected.

You do realize the last time he's won a match on TV was

December.

But he never wrestles on TV, but he's being protected.

He wrestles on pay-per-view.

He hasn't wrestled hardly at all.

He has had

one,

two,

three,

four,

five,

six,

seven,

eight, nine.

He's wrestled 11 TV matches, and he's won zero until this past match.

Well, there you go.

Then they're trying to get him ready for

Jacob.

Well, let's stop it there.

They're trying to get him ready for for Jacob.

What did he just say?

First of all, I love it.

I love it when Uncle Dave jumps in.

We're like, no, he's not.

Or no, it's not.

Or he disagrees before poor old cousin Brian can get the question out.

But no, we've been talking about this.

That Solo has been kind of diminished and, you know, the.

Bloom is off of him a bit.

And he hasn't won a match in forever.

He's always the one who gets beat because,

you know, it's better than the option of Jacob beating Jacob.

But it's startling to hear 11-0 is the record because it seems like they would have thought to give him one win in there just to keep him in the fucking game.

But so then

Dave says, well, they're trying to get him ready for Jacob by losing every match.

No, we said when they did that, I think the Survivor Series and Solo lost there because he kept being the one to lose.

We said they're not really booking him that strongly, and then he wasn't even on WrestleMania.

And I know he's part of the Jacob Fatu stuff, but still, he's kind of been an afterthought now.

Someone who was a main player, it doesn't feel like they're booking him very strongly at all.

Well, and to be honest, and we'll go back to the Katz and Jammer kids here in a second so they can tell us what they think.

But

I think it's simple as this.

If you go back about a year, year, year, whenever Solo popped up in this bloodline position, I said,

you know,

the problem is that should be Jacob Fatu.

That should be the street champion.

That should be the fucking enforcer.

That should be the

spot they put

Solo in originally would have worked better at being Jacob Fatu.

And then once they got out of that story, they actually got the real Jacob Fatu.

And now

he has

overtaken and surpassed Solo in terms of

the out-of-control, mean street fighting fucking Samoan.

And because he's so much more,

I don't even say impressed, but so much more visual.

with what he can do and not only that, but the danger that he puts off, the aura that he possesses, that he's not only taken off and left solo,

but he's the kind of guy that they couldn't have made solo a babyface.

They were putting a lot of heat on him, and he was beating a lot of the people that the babyfaces that the fans liked, so they would boo him.

But he wasn't the kind of guy that would impress the fans enough to cheer him with his

insanely impressive work while he's getting that heat.

And that's Jacob.

So

I think you've just got

two people in a similar

genre and makeup vying for kind of a similar spot.

And one of them's clearly standing out more.

And again, the booking hasn't helped.

Well, I think that's why they're booking him that way.

I mean, he was really hot.

That's what I'm saying.

He was really hot as the silent bodyguard for Roman.

And then when he first turned heel and turned against him, there was a chance there.

And it kind of worked for a little while, and then they just started burying him on the show.

And he hasn't won any matches.

He's a heel boss who doesn't win.

But he's not the boss anymore, really.

When did Jacob show up?

Was it the same?

I don't keep these dates, but

I think that Solo's perpendicular fall

in booking can be directly attributed to Jacob Fatu's arrival and subsequent ascension.

Well, like you said, let's go back to Fritz and Ditz.

He's got no credibility, dude.

He always loses.

Always.

He's always beaten.

You know that wins and losses mean nothing in WWE?

No, they do mean something.

That's why Jacob Fatu has never been beaten.

They've never beaten the guy.

And that's why they're feuding the two of them.

They're feuding the two of them.

I know.

I'm wondering why they're feuding them.

Like,

give Solo something.

Well, they are.

I guess they're going to start to do that now.

But the point is, is

the way that they book title matches, they have people lose 10, 15 times in a row, and they'll give them a title.

They're just techniques.

But for the top guys, they don't beat him.

There's a reason that Jacob Tattoo has never been beaten.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're super protecting Jacob Tatu.

Exactly.

But Solo is the guy who's going to feud with him for next.

But they don't care.

They don't care.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Brian,

so correct me if I'm wrong, but Dave is saying then the way that they're setting this up is the guy that's never lost versus a guy that never wins.

Is that the way to put the edge on this thing?

And he's saying the guy that never wins has been protected by the booking, I think is what he's saying.

Yes, but he hasn't.

That's what I'm saying is that, and they're doing this dissension.

Because it's a natural thing

and they're getting some mileage out of Solo.

And I'm not saying they're going to cast him off to Gilligan's Island and fucking, you know, we're never going to see him again, but they have,

you know, two people vying for a kind of a similar slot on the card.

And they're transitioning from one to the other.

And I would imagine that if you go back and look, Solo's

descent started when Jacob's ascent started, and they're just switching places.

But to say that

they're protecting Solo in any way or this

is ridiculous.

They're not protecting him.

They're winding him down.

Let's go back to Dave Melcher and Brian Alvarez discussing Solo Sokoa's booking.

Should.

If you want people to care about it, they didn't care about that ladder match.

And they didn't care about Solo winning, except they were mad because they didn't have Phoenix or like two guys who can do ladder matches.

But the point, they've taught how many times, I mean, they've taught the fans that wins and losses don't matter.

The fans don't care about wins and losses.

I mean, it's been, it's obvious.

You've seen how many times that they'll put a match that in theory shouldn't draw because one of the guys always loses and it does draw.

So it's like I've been saying

the fans

is not a big deal to the fans.

He's studying again, Brian.

He's been studying this.

He's studying again.

He's a big studier, but uh, when did they put that match on?

That with some flunky that everybody thought wouldn't matter.

And then it did.

And it drew.

What is he referring to?

Yeah, and Drew for who?

Is he talking about AEW when they just have like a high spot match and it gets the same audience that everything else on the show gets?

No, I think he's clearly referring to the WWE here because that's the whole topic.

I'd like to have that, for instance.

I don't know.

Let's see if he gives it.

So it's like I've been studying this.

The fans, it's not a big deal to the fans.

Yes, they will protect a few guys like Solo.

Yeah, I mean, not Solo, but like Jacob.

Like Jacob.

But Solo is a guy who they obviously feel that they can beat, but they still treat him like he's a top guy.

I mean, he gets plenty of promo time.

The key in WWE is your promo time.

I know, but people don't

care about Solo.

He actually doesn't get a very good reaction.

Jacob gets a great reaction because they can see he's special

because he never loses.

And he's always the guy that has to save Solo.

But they push Solo, but Solo gets lots of TV timing.

He gets a push.

They need to start getting some wins.

Let's stop it there for a second.

He, boy, I'll tell you what, I'm glad I'm not married to Dave

because he won't give up for anything, will he?

And give Alvarez credit.

Every time we listen, Alvarez is kind of on the right side of these things, but also he puts up with these non-stop arguments.

he's got the patience of a saint

let's go back to the discussion of solo sokoa's booking or this ain't going to be much of a feud well he's going to lose the feud so it doesn't matter but the point is for especially for heels they they they beat heels all the time and so you know they beat heels all the time they don't care i mean it's like that's just part of the deal you know i mean it's you know this is where this is not anything new this has been the case in wwe for decades.

They do not, you know, when they book, they're not booking long-term who he's going to win and he's going to get a title shot.

They'll just do whatever they want.

Doesn't matter.

It doesn't care.

And then when it comes to, oh, we've got to get somebody ready for a title shot.

This guy's lost a bunch of matches.

We'll put him in a four-way and he wins the four-way and he gets the title match.

And all those losses don't matter.

And the people accept it.

If the people didn't accept it and it didn't work, they'd stop doing it.

And let me stop at this.

I was going to say, this is coming from the guy who says, now, Tony Kahn has long-term booking plans and everything means something.

And if something is referred to from previous, well, this all goes together.

So it's a goddamn giant web of carefully crafted, intricate, interweaving stories over with Tony.

And the WWE is just doing whatever the fuck they want to do with no planning?

Or is he justifying their planning because this is the way they do it?

And then he says the fans are okay with it.

I mean, because the other option is, I guess, you just don't come to the arena at all, but WWE is a different kind of

thing right now.

They're going to draw people no matter what.

It may not be a sellout.

But I think that nobody can deny that I'm not saying that the WWE is

writing every show and scripting every fucking word months in advance, but that they have had and continue to have a clear plan barring injuries and interference from the board of directors

or the the the the the rocky spots uh

they plan quite a ways out don't they hasn't it been kind of obvious that's what they're doing for a while

it has seemed like that but let's go back maybe they'll explain where they're coming from here let's go back to wrestling observer radio's discussion that all the listeners were sending to us and i'm not you know it's like of course it's better if you make wins I think it sucks that wins and losses don't matter, but they don't.

They don't book like, and this is a perfect example.

They're building this guy up for a feud with Jacob.

Jacob is a top guy.

They protect Jacob.

I know, but Jacob is a top guy, Dave, because he never loses.

He's always the guy who books the win.

He's always the guy that protects Solo.

Any supero, anyway.

I know, and if he lost all the time, it would be different.

That's because of the booking that got him super over.

I'm sorry.

No, no.

But I mean, that's an interesting point.

Of course, he's more spectacular, but also if he lost every match, he wouldn't be as over.

Exactly.

And that's the point that can't be drilled into the broccoli here deep enough

is that

if Jacob Fatu came in and somebody had to save him every time and he got beat every time, he would be.

Dolph Ziggler, the most entertaining physical guy in the ring that never wins and nobody gives a shit.

But he's not because the booking complements the talent that they have got.

They got Jacob Fatu and they are booking him commensurate with his talent to get over by not ever beating him and by making him a monster.

That's how those things go hand in hand.

When Dave says wins and losses don't matter,

may not matter to

the office, to the writing staff.

They may say, well, we beat that gal last year, but we'll do something with him now.

But the fans, it matters because when the fans figure out,

except for the tiny little segment of

the Davites,

and the Davites,

that worship that type of thing that he likes, where they just all just do a bunch of moves and then go home.

It doesn't matter to the

hardcore fans with the wins and losses because they're just watching moves.

But to the general overall population, if a guy always loses,

eh, he's a shit.

And that's why, you know, there's underneath guys on the card and main event guys on the card.

The main event guys don't usually lose.

But this, this is, how has Dave not been able to pick up on this?

It's kind of surprising, actually, to hear Dave say all this just because it doesn't make any sense it's almost like he's trying to justify someone's booking but let's go back to more audio to their top guys and my point is they don't protect solo to a degree oh but they give him all kinds of interview time i know but people don't care about him It doesn't matter if he's got promo time if they're chanting for everybody except him.

They don't care about Solo.

Well, you say that.

And the feuds that he has.

Okay, so here's the thing.

So wait a minute, wait a minute.

So

by saying that,

you're saying that they're booking badly and that the feud will not work.

I'm saying they're booking solo badly, yes.

Okay, if the feud doesn't work, then that's fine.

But what if the feud, what if the people react to the feud?

But Dave, I've already seen it with Solo.

Like, he had a feud with Cody, and nobody cared about Solo.

He had a feud with Roman and people didn't care about Roman.

Yeah, it's going to do business because Cody is in there.

And if Roman was in there,

but you could have put anyone in there if it wasn't solo.

i mean it did business so that's all that counts at the end of the day see again he's justifying every like i don't know why he's justifying unless paul said don't criticize it i don't know why he's justifying the booking here well he's gonna die on this hill when it doesn't even really

matter

but the thing is yes

alvarez is correct if you put

solo or anybody else in with a big star, it'll do some kind of fucking business, but it's not going to be the main event at WrestleMania.

And they're talking about this feud, this rivalry.

I am thinking that at some point,

Solo and Jacob will have a breakup and they will do

three or four weeks of television of interaction or whatever, and they'll have a match, and Jacob will win it.

And that's going to be that rivalry.

I don't think this is a multi-match,

you know,

feud for the ages that we are seeing set up in front of our eyes.

Do you think it works if it's, and I'm not saying I want this, but I'm just thinking out loud: if it's Jacob Fatu

having to get through a bunch of new bloodline members to get to Solo, you know, once again, Solo puts barriers in front of him, whether it's JC Mateo or Hicculeo

or whatever it may be.

Well, I'm

almost wondering if they're not going to

save some of that for Jacob to be the the boss of the

the new bloodliners and solo just to kind of be eagied out it seems to me that they're already leading down the road of Jacob being a babyface so I don't think they're gonna go there do you

well I'm I'm wondering whether well yeah you're right

I thought there might be some period of time where Jacob got solo spot and was the the boss of whatever, and then the group potentially might fucking turn against him.

But nevertheless, point being, this ain't going to be a goddamn, this ain't going to be the Freebirds and Nevon Ericss.

No,

it won't.

There's a little more audio.

Shall we play more or should we give up?

It's your call.

It's up to you.

How hilarious are they on the out?

I don't know.

Let's hear the end of this.

Hey, does it work?

If it doesn't, if it works, it worked.

If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work.

And then you got to stop doing it.

But when it works, the fact that they do this and it works, it's like, okay, that's what the fans think.

If it didn't work, I'd go, hey, guess what?

This doesn't work.

You got to do this.

But these feuds worked.

So there's your answer.

It's like, if the, believe me, there have been times in history where what you're saying was 100% accurate and the stuff wouldn't draw and it wouldn't work.

This is not that time because all of those feuds worked.

Well, there it is.

All those feuds worked.

And of course, Dave's longtime friend Paul Heyman's thing was always: if it works, it works.

So who knows who's feeding Dave the information that this is working?

But who gets to say whether something works or not?

Well, that's the thing.

If it works, it works.

Okay, what does it work mean?

Does it mean the promotion's happy with it?

Does it mean the fans are buying more tickets because of it?

The fans are just where they were because of it.

What is working in this sense?

And that's also hard to tell these days because

the WWE has got themselves in a position where if they just avoid the,

you know,

a bunch of guys going out and dropping their pants, taking a shit in the middle of the ring, people

will enjoy it live.

You can see that they're singing along with entrances and

standing and watching guys do stand-up without the comedy for 20 minutes at a time.

So it's not like they're going to riot and set seats on fire if, you know, matches are a little bare

because they're apparently having fun.

But,

you know,

at what point

is it just we got to see something here for our money between the prices and everything else?

I don't know.

Well, that's the WWE section of the show today, and that's the review of Meltzer and Alvarez once again disagreeing.

And once again, we're on the side of Brian Alvarez here.

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That way, if you just happen to nod off right in the middle of a conversation, let's say,

let's say you just happen to nod off right in the middle of a conversation.

Let's say you just happen to nod off right in the middle of a conversation and you're going to fall, but you want to fall on a helix sleep mattress because that way you can get a good night's sleep or a good day's sleep, whatever day of that or time it happens to be.

It could be afternoon, it could be morning.

You know, sometimes these things just happen, Brian.

Just like that.

Jodi Hamilton used to nod off and go to sleep and snore in the WCW offices at the,

what was it, was it the North Tower or the South Tower?

I get my directions confused now.

And they had to give him a corner office with a door that they could shut because when he was in the cubicle you could hear him all over the floor

see now if he'd have had a helix mattress in that cubicle where he could have laid down flat instead of sitting at his desk and snoring well it would have saved everybody a lot of trouble they wouldn't have had to move his file cabinet you see what i'm saying brian

not no not exactly although you know they say that Thomas Edison liked to just take a nap wherever he was, it didn't matter.

He would just lay down on the ground and start sleeping.

Imagine if he had a helix sleep mattress everywhere, including Jody Hamilton's cubicle.

Well, that's true.

And my uncle Harold, he had a similar habit.

He just liked to take a shit wherever he happened to be.

Of course, that was a lot more unwieldy and it made him a lot less popular than if you just wanted to take a nap wherever you might happen to be.

But yeah.

I'll tell you what, poor Aunt Beulah had to carry a bucket around and some towels everywhere she went.

But folks, if you would like to fall into a lovely night's sleep, well, it's not an accident.

You don't have to be thrown.

You can just fling your own self onto a helix sleep mattress and it'll help you with the snoring.

You know, they got the

special mattresses, Brian, where if you snore, well, they'll give you a mattress that's specifically tailored and manufactured to help you.

not snore.

As a matter of fact, it has a little indentation there.

You just stick your face right in it.

Nope, that's it.

And then you put a strap on the back.

And your head is snowing there.

Even if you do snore, they can't hear it in the next room.

Helix, not Helix.

Helix has no strap-on mattresses, ladies and gentlemen, but you can strap on.

What kind of strap-ons do they have?

I don't want to, I don't, let's talk about sleep,

which we would all like to be in right now.

Let's sleep.

Well,

speaking of being in things,

let's say you're in pain.

Let's say you got back pain.

Well, they've got a variety of mattresses that can help you with your various sacroiliac issues.

They got firm ones.

They got soft ones.

They got ones that fold up like a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

And boy, I'll tell you what, sleep apnea, you want some of that?

They got one that can give you that.

No, I'm sorry.

That's what you want taken away from you.

Please.

You don't want the sleep apnea.

You want to get it.

Well, they have something that will help you, your sleep apnea.

I thought it was a positive thing, but it's a negative thing.

And if you're sleeping too hot, you're sweating

overnight, you're sweating, Brian, up there in New Jersey, sweating.

Well, they've got mattresses that can cool you.

You touch these things, it's like laying your hand on

an air conditioner.

It'll just cool you.

It'll send chills all through your body.

So you will never again cook.

in the middle of the night.

They've got all these fancy damn things that they're making these days.

And of course, at Helix,

we've talked about

you can rest assured that no one has done any unsavory things on these mattresses ahead of time.

They're brought right to your door, wrapped up in plastic, not like these mattresses out at the mattress store that anybody.

And we've talked about what in the world goes on with the mattresses in people's homes, Brian.

Well, I think everybody out there right now, you just think to the last time that Granny paid a visit, you know, she's incontinent and she may have put a towel down, but what the fuck?

It's still, it's on your mattress in the guest room there, or the kids.

Look at what the kids do, especially when they have taco night

over at basketball practice and they come home shitting like gooses.

The mattresses in your homes right now, people, need to be replaced.

Just do the

blue light test, or is it a purple light?

What cut is it a black light?

What color light, Brian, shows all the feeble mattresses and gentlemen and the urine let's and the and the

standard on the track i'd like to get the semen let's get there's all kinds of semen and i'm not talking about sailors that's right i'm not talking i'm not talking about people in the merchant marine when i mention semen on your mattress i'm saying let's get to clean that let's get to the point and let's talk about okay

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But then, if you get the free bedding bundle, well, now the sheet, the mattress protector, that's a big deal,

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Or let's just say that you get shit-faced drunk every now and then and don't actually get up whenever you just

kiss yourself.

Why don't we just focus on?

We know these mattresses should be rotated quite a bit.

You know what that means, Jim?

It's time to wrap it up.

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Oh, there it is again.

This keeps happening.

But Jim, we're going to continue on with the show.

And of course,

we have questions and we have all sorts of stuff.

And I think we're going to try to tackle at least part of the AEW mail roster.

otherwise known as the AEW roster later on here on the show.

But let's let's get a few questions here.

I have the Cult of Cornet Facebook group as well as the Corney Drive-Thru at gmail.com.

Questions?

This question was sent via the Cult of Cornet by Zach Williams, the Facebook group that is.

Does Jim have a particular wrestling hotel story that stands out above the rest?

A wrestling hotel story.

Now,

those two worlds can intersect in a variety of different ways.

Where the wrestling match is at the hotel, the wrestlers were staying at the hotel, the wrestlers were wrestling someone at the hotel.

I'm trying to figure out which way to approach this thing.

I mean,

there's the stories of, I don't have, I wasn't there at this point in time, but Andre the Giant falling asleep on drunk.

on a couch in the lobby of the hotel and them not being able to move him.

So they just put like a piano cover over the top of him and roped him off till he got up the next day.

What's the craziest night you ever had in a hotel, you know, going from town to town?

Hey, wait a minute now.

Hold up once again.

Not involving just like, you know, hookers showed up and they were, you know,

I killed them with my special magical crack and I made Frank and Hooker.

No, like,

oh, you so now we know who wrote that script.

I tried not to have any

insane incidents of the wrestling variety at the hotels that I stayed at, but there was,

again, there was that time we told a story.

I came down in the lobby of the Double Tree there in Orlando, and Dutch Mantel was talking to the cops because they had come talking about Johnny Devine, who made the other.

I just listened to this clip the other day, actually.

Yeah,

made the.

the other hotel desk clerk cry because he was yelling at her or some shit.

You know, it depended.

The thing about hotels and the boys is in the territory days,

it could be a blessing or a curse because

what you wanted was you wanted to find a hotel in all the towns that you regularly went to that would give the boys a rate if, you know, the guys are coming in, they're going to get 10, 12, 14 rooms or whatever at a time.

And also,

if

the manager was, you know, cool, then you could get late checkout right because usually you had to check out of a hotel at noon well what if you're at the goddamn building that night you got to be there at 6 30 7 o'clock what are you going to do all day so the regular hotels would give late checkouts to the boys or you know just say you're with crockett promotions or world-class wrestling or whatever but then invariably

The boys would then turn around and fuck it up.

You find a place that gives you a rate, has a good restaurant, a late checkout,

you know, whatever the fuck.

And some of the guys would do whatever the boys do.

And,

you know, then you'd have to go around and find another places.

So that used to be a thing when you went to a new territory.

Every time you went to one of the towns for the first time, you asked the guys, where the fuck, you know, where do we stay?

And where's the rate?

But sometimes that bites you in the ass.

Again, I've told the story about the time that me and the Midnight and Dick Murdoch ended up in that goddamn, the airliner motel at the

other Chicago airport, Midway, 40 years ago, when it wasn't as nice as that area as it is today.

But there was another time when we first went to work for Crockett in 85.

And we were booked in Charleston, West Virginia on the Atlanta tours, right?

They'd go to Charleston and the Michigantown, Saginaw, Lansing, Ohio, whatever.

So guess who we asked?

Where do we stay in Charleston, West Virginia?

Black Bart.

That was our first mistake.

He said, you got to stay at Smiley's Motel.

They've got a buffet and everything.

Smiley's Motel, but I'm like, well, it's Charleston, West Virginia.

But God damn it.

So we.

We get him in the rental car and he's, oh, yeah, you get off this exit.

He takes us out of downtown Charleston.

And it's right on the side of the river there.

And I can remember Smiley's Motel, and the sign said buffet on the other side.

And this fucking joint, I don't think there was but one working light bulb in my room.

And we ended up, we didn't get, we got there too late to go to the buffet.

And by the time that the goddamn matches were over, we got back there,

the buffet was closed.

So the buffet was a non-entity, as I recall.

But

all night, there was somebody, not the boys, in the next room to me, arguing.

I mean, guys, not men and women, domestic things, but there were guys, they were there arguing or yelling, or every once in a while, something would crash into the fucking wall and the picture over the head of my bed would shake.

And I'm like, what the fuck?

So never take hotel recommendations from Black Bart.

But that's a lot of times the guys,

you know, wanted to go wherever the cheapest rate they could get was.

But I tried to have some mix of rate and or,

you know, quality stay.

We didn't need the Waldorf, but I didn't want people coming through my fucking wall in the middle of the night.

You know, you referenced it.

I don't know if you've ever told on the air the airliner motel story.

Oh, God, I know I have.

But just in case I haven't, and it'll probably be better in the next question anyway.

Real briefly, we're on Crockett's plane coming from somewhere to Chicago, where we're going to be at the UIC Pavilion the next afternoon.

And

we had all made hotel reservations in Chicago,

but what we didn't know, and I think what they changed at the last minute, was that they weren't going to O'Hare Airport, they were going to Midway.

And now

everybody realizes they don't have no rental car,

they don't have no goddamn hotel room at Midway Airport in Chicago when we're going to land at three o'clock in the morning on a Saturday night, Sunday morning.

And the pilots, as they usually did, start radioing ahead.

We're going to need X cabs or taxi, whatever.

But there's nobody there.

Again, this is 40 years ago at Midway Airport.

It wasn't a big of fucking deal then.

And

there was nobody

there that had rental cars or that could rent cars.

And they were trying to call cabs.

But when we landed there, they said, well, we can't get any cabs to come over here at this time of night in this neighborhood.

What the fuck?

They got one cab

for 14 guys.

So everybody was going in groups of, I think like you get four in a cab or whatever.

So

they found rooms available.

And it's at the Airliner Motel.

Okay, haven't heard of that chain,

but they hold the rooms right so me bobby eaton stan lane dick murdock last ones to get the trip over in the cab

and we get there

and it is i mean the this the neon sign still says air conditioned

and this is 1980 eight

and

It's just,

it's the Bates Motel.

There's a guy behind the fucking desk.

And as we're checking in, he said, I got the four four rooms left.

He said, now,

one room, the heat doesn't work.

And it's wintertime, but I said, I'll take that when I don't like the heat in the hotel room anyway.

And he said, well, one of them doesn't have a goddamn lock on the inside of the, on the outside of the door.

No, how was it?

The door won't lock from the outside, but you can bolt it from the inside.

And Stan Lane ended up with that one somehow.

And then

Bobby got the room where the bed hadn't been made up yet.

But the guy said, I can get you some sheets.

And he rings the bell, ding, ding, ding, ding.

And out comes another guy in pajamas that looked like he had just got through with shock treatments at a fucking psychiatric hospital in the 50s.

And he's carrying the sheets.

And he says, You want me to make your bed for you?

And Bobby said, I'll do it.

I'll do it.

But you just give me the sheets.

So

again,

we go upstairs and we're on different floors.

There's like three or four floors.

This thing, it's an old motel from the 50s.

And it's got the neon sign also has an outline of a plane and it's a goddamn propeller plane.

That's how long this thing's been there.

So

we go up to, I go up to my floor.

And as I get off the elevator, I look and it's a long hallway.

And there's like the fucking ceiling lights are

every once in a while.

One will go out.

It's like a horror movie.

As I'm walking down the hall, I hear TVs going on in the rooms.

And I get to my room and I open a door and I shut it and lock it behind me.

And I look in this entire hotel room, there's a bed, a table and a lamp next to the bed, a small table with a fucking

18-inch black and white television.

sitting on that and a fucking chair over in the corner.

And

I'm thinking, I don't want to take my shoes off and step on his carpet.

And the bathroom looked like, I don't know, a fucking Symbionese liberation camp, fucking prison bathroom.

So we're hungry.

I told the guy, as soon as I put my bags in the room, I'll call you, Bobby, and we're going to go.

There's a white castle next door.

So I sit down on the bed and I look at the fucking phone.

And this, it's still a desk phone, like, you know, the receiver that you could hang up

back in those days.

It's a table phone,

but there's no dial on it, Brian.

There's no dial.

And where normally you remember the old hotel room phones would have a red light, like they'd light the light up if you had a message.

Yeah,

there's no fucking light.

It's a hole in the phone.

There's no light there.

And I pick it up, and there's no dial tone.

And I'm like, well, great.

Now I've got to call home at that point.

And I was going to call, you know, the boys, we're going to go to White Castle.

So I'm sitting there looking at this phone, like, what do I do now?

And suddenly the phone rings.

And I'm thinking, oh, fuck,

it's from beyond the grave, right?

And I answer, I said, hello.

And it's Bobby.

He said, Corn.

I said, Bobby, he said,

I'm scared.

I said, what the fuck?

He'd walked into his room and he had three beds in his room.

And they were all three different sizes and different makes of bed.

And

so

I said, How did you get me on his phone?

I thought the phone was dead.

He said, No, Bobby had stayed in a number of cheap motels in his life.

It was the deal.

You had to pick it up, and the guy would answer at the desk.

And he'd say,

Can you get me this number?

And he'd plug you like Sarah at the fucking phone company.

And

I said, I'll meet you all over there at the White Castle in 15 minutes.

I'll use the pay phone over there.

I've got a calling card I can call home.

And I'll be down shortly.

So then I turned the television on.

That's when I realized it was a black and white TV.

But then I hear screaming from the room next door.

And I'm thinking, what the fuck?

And that sounds like a different kind of screaming.

I flipped around.

You got one Chicago channel and then all the rest of the channels were black and white porn.

And you had to sync up the screaming to the room and the one in the room next to you, or elsewhere it conflicted.

So

we go over there to the White Castle, where I see Paul Jones sitting there.

And the first thing when I walk in, because now Baron Paul Jones has lived in the Carolinas for years and years, they don't have White Castle.

So

he's sitting there.

He looks up at me, says, I don't know.

I don't think the food's any good.

I said, no, it's White Castle, Paul.

It's supposed to taste like that.

that.

So we eat

and we go back to the goddamn hotel and go back to our rooms.

And now

found out when Stan went into his room, the one you couldn't lock from the outside, he didn't know whether somebody might be squatting in there or not.

So he kind of opened the door and kicked it open and went into the kung fu stance like,

So

Stan's in a room.

He's bolted the door and he's shoved one of the tables over against the door because it won't fucking lock.

It's just got the bolt on it.

Bobby's in a room with the three bears' beds, and he's nervous about being in there.

I'm watching the black and white porn while I'm, I didn't take my clothes off because I didn't want to sit on anything naked all night.

And we just got to make it till 11 o'clock the next day.

We're going to fucking leave and go to the pavilion.

So, after not really sleeping at all and going through all of this

we get down the lobby the next day and we're all sitting there we're sleepy we're tired we're feeling groaty and the whole thing and there comes murdoch whistling and happy and sets his bag how'd y'all sleep boys and we're like we just sleep in all this

hovel we were in his oh me and rhodes we checked into a hotel one night Next morning, when we woke up, we had four inches of snow on top of us.

because they'd both gone to sleep with their heads out the window when they were puking.

But yeah, the airliner motel at Chicago Midway Airport.

If it's still there, I highly recommend it.

Was that the scariest hotel or motel you ever stayed at?

Yes, that's the worst thing that I've ever, the worst hotel that I've ever, I think.

been in.

I've been in a few other, the Alamo Plaza in Shreveport, you had to get the building on the left.

If you got the one on the right, you couldn't turn the lights off at night because you'd be joined by

visitors.

But the one on the left was good, and they gave the boys usually the ones on the left.

I think it was $20 in 1984 for the Alamo, and they let the boys

Nikolai Volkov and Crusher Darso.

And who the fuck else was it?

It might have been.

It might have been Jerry Gray.

I can't remember.

But there was a room over

the front office that you just went right up the stairs and it had three beds in it.

So they would get the three beds and they'd split.

It was seven bucks each.

But there you go.

Well, that certainly ended the story with some hotel fear, I guess.

Jim, let's get another question here.

This one was sent.

via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Leonard Hayhurst.

Jim did commentary on superstars in 1997 with Jim Ross as that show was limping to a close.

It was once the flagship WWF show.

What does Jim remember of how the show was being treated at the time?

And did they know the last episode was going to be the last episode in advance?

I don't remember about that because here's at the point

of 1997,

they were concentrating on raw and on cable,

and they still had TV syndication on the local stations, but it was

less important than it had been previously because, as I said, they were putting all their eggs in the raw basket.

And syndication still existed to have the presence on local television so they could put in the local promos for when they came to Louisville or St.

Louis or wherever the case may be.

And WWF Superstars, as

he mentioned, was the flagship.

And what was it?

It was Superstars was the

A syndicated show.

Was it then?

It was Superstars.

Where was Wrestling Challenge?

Superstars and Wrestling Challenge.

Wrestling Challenge was B.

And like in New York, Superstars aired on Saturday with Vince McMahon and Jesse Vantura, previously Bruno San Martino, on there too.

And then Sunday was challenged with Monsoon and Heenan.

Right.

And then they ended up with another syndicated show for a while there.

But point being,

in the early 2000s, they finally limped out, but the shows were still there.

But what they did was they shot

at one point before they went to live raw every week.

You would do a pay-per-view on Sunday.

Then on Monday, you would tape four one-hour raw episodes in some building.

In Tuesday, you would tape four

superstars of wrestling one-hour syndicated shows in some other arena.

And in Wednesday,

you would do four episodes of Wrestling Challenge.

And around that, you would also do the Coliseum home video exclusives and other shit, right?

Well, then,

as things started gradually switching, because that was hard enough to keep track of and you you were doing entire months of TV at a time,

then the syndicated shows started becoming

less important on their own, and they were shot around

the big taping.

So, let's say you did a live two-hour raw on Monday, you'd do syndicated TV matches around it,

and a taped two-hour raw for the following week on Tuesday, and you'd do other syndicated matches around it.

So, the bottom line is they put these things together in post,

just with matches, and they'd plug in the interviews and they'd get it ready.

And then JR and I, or whoever the announcers were, would go to the studio and voice the thing over like we were there in the arena.

And that's why

you would get on cameras with the announcers in one of the earlier matches.

The cameras would come over and just catch the announcers sitting at ringside for a cutaway.

Or you might do one little billboard spot just to prove you were in the arena.

And then he'd go sit in the back and they'd shoot the rest of the stuff, and he'd do it in post.

And that also led to problems when people weren't available and you had to switch announcers.

You had to the other announcers sitting across the ring and some of the shots.

And obviously, he wasn't doing any of the talking.

But

I liked that because I liked doing announcing.

And with JR, it was so easy.

so whatever morning it was i came if it was thursday morning

we'd we would be at the studio at like 10 o'clock and we'd voice over superstars and then we'd take a 15 minute break and then we would do

god damn the other show we were doing at the time which might have been international heat or might have been WWF New York or might have been whatever, but we did two shows every week for a while that were in syndication somewhere.

And that was the easiest part of my fucking week.

If I did it with somebody else that wasn't Jim Ross, then they always constantly had to stop and fucking pick up a line or go back or whatever.

And it took for fucking ever.

And I mentioned when I was doing

rehearsals with Shane and later on, I did some on-air stuff with Shane on these syndicated.

It would take three, four hours.

But JR and I could sit down and just say, roll the fucking tape.

And we would call it live and we'd do the show in 45 minutes.

And the only time that Jennifer Good was our producer, the only time that she would stop us is if I accidentally said wrestling.

And then she'd say, substitute something else.

So I'd go back and

weave my way around it without ever.

So I believe I mentioned I never said the phrase sports entertainment on television the whole time I worked for the WWF.

Never, ever.

But otherwise than that, it was nice and easy.

With other people, it was somewhat of a chore.

But that's what we did.

And then they just sent it out everywhere.

So

by then, there was not a lot of thought being put into

those shows.

At that point, were they still doing the thing where the commentators would have like a pause and they would put Howard Finkel in to announce the local dates?

No, they'd quit doing that by that point because

they did that.

They did that in the era where they, I believe they didn't have as much commercial time or as much commercial leeway in the programs as they did in later years.

Because to tell the people what you're talking about, a match would start on the show.

And then suddenly the announcers would lay out and that way Finkel could come in and do a voiceover saying, and World Wrestling Federation Action returns to Poughkeepsie at the Mid-Hudson Civic Center on Saturday, November 12th with all the top stars and blah, blah, blah.

Do a 60-second plug and then get out and you'd pick up the announcing again.

But by this point in time, I think the commercial time and regulations were so relaxed that they were just spotting the thing to death in the course of the program.

All right.

Well, that was a good question.

And you know what?

I know I said we'll get more questions, more next week, because if we're going to do this roster, we better start.

No time like the present, I guess is the expression.

Get it over with.

We reviewed the AEW women's roster.

We got your thoughts.

There was one name that we forgot because she wasn't on their roster page.

Mina Shirakawa.

Oh, good.

And I can send her along with Yukasakazaki.

All right.

I'm just, I'm making this note.

Because we are going to, I know you can get the clip on YouTube, folks, of the women's roster, but we are going to recap a lot of this when we get finished sorting things out and see who we got left.

Well, let's now get to the AEW men's roster.

Of course, this is as listed on the AEW website under AEW roster.

So that means that it's almost official.

Almost.

And we're going to start and get through the first part.

This is going to be a lengthy process and and we'll have

some type of nervous breakdown if we try to do the whole thing.

So we're going to do this in a couple of segments.

Well, here are the champions, Jim.

The AEW World Champion is Jon Moxley.

Let's see how quickly we can get him in the parking lot with his bag headed home.

He is now fired.

The AEW World Tag Team Champions are the Hurt Syndicate, Bobby Lashley, and Benjamin Shelton.

And let's put them right over here in the yes, yes, they are our talent roster and main event level talent at that.

The AEW International Champion is Kenny Omega.

You know, we said, and by the way, let's do the same premise that we talked about on the women's roster.

We're not dealing with, we don't know what a lot of these people's attitudes are or whether they're, you know,

space cadets or brain surgeons.

Loaded on.

And we're not

loaded on Kratom.

We're not going to go on the booking that has been done to them.

We are picking talent based on

if I had a wrestling company, would I want this guy working for me on the roster?

And

with Kenny,

as much as I

detest his personality, his wrestling style, the the things that he's done in the past with the blow-up dolls and the sex toys and the variety of embarrassing things he's done in the way of wrestling.

The audience still, for whatever reason, does somewhat like him.

But looking at that and also looking at the fact that he's 40 years old with multiple surgeries and has already said

his best years are behind him and he doesn't know how much longer he can do this.

I'm going to kick him to the curb because he's too old and broken down and not because he's a miserable douchebag.

That's not what I expected.

I thought you were going to keep him.

You're going to say, you know what?

He's in shape.

He's still a star.

He's still one of their draws.

No, because

I don't want him right now.

I want any of these people for what they can do for me over the next two to three to five years.

And

besides that, let's face it, we know where Kenny's head's at.

He's like a lot of these other ones and who was the dip shit lately that put his foot in his mouth about oh uh old osprey talking about oh aw just blows wwe

away and the wrestling mate all the aspects of the wrestling it's a hell of an accent there

so i don't think you can i think we've established that you can't really learn people like Kenny how to participate in a real wrestling promotion.

So, yeah, he's a good athlete,

but his wrestling sucks and he doesn't take any of it seriously.

And he's old and he's broken down.

So

if I want a guy who does a lot of stupid shit athletically

and has a goofy personality and is a markish in his demeanor, I'll take Osprey because he's...

10 years younger and a better athlete and he's not quite as douchebaggy as Kenny when he talks.

But don't you want someone who's established with that audience just so you can always beat them to try to get the next person over?

This audience is

you can be established with this audience.

If Hong Kong Fuye is establishing himself with this audience, it doesn't take any talent.

We're talking about building a wrestling company, not a goddamn performance art troop of high school drama class dropouts.

So I wouldn't keep Kenny.

I'd keep Osprey.

Well, we didn't get the Osprey yet, but let's keep going through this.

The TNT champion is Adam Cole.

If I had the Adam Cole of 2015 instead of the Adam Cole of 2025, it makes me nervous watching Adam in the ring these days.

I think he needs to.

You know what?

I'm going to put Adam in the middle because there's something we can find to do with him in a wrestling promotion.

Oh, stop it.

Something.

No, I'm not talking about maybe wrestling,

but something.

I'm putting him in the middle.

Playing video games on YouTube, I think, would be what his benefit could be to the wrestling promotion.

Jim, the AEW World Trios champions are the ops.

Samoa Joe, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Shibata.

Okay, Samoa Joe is kept immediately.

So is Hobbs.

Sorry, Shapoopy.

We'll see you later.

And obviously, again, Joe

can,

he's got credibility.

He can present himself as a main eventer.

And he's, you know, Hobbs could get there.

We've been talking about it maybe getting too late.

This has been a while.

But Shapupi is, it's just for the fucking AEW marks that think that anybody from Japan is automatically supposed to be a good wrestler.

It's ridiculous.

Jim, the AEW Continental Champion.

These are still the champions.

We haven't even got to the roster yet.

We already killed half the champions.

Don't worry about it.

The AEW Continental Champion, Kazushka Okada.

Oh, please.

I'll tell you what.

If AEW was my company and I immediately got that son of a bitch in part of the deal, inherited his contract, I would immediately sue him for fraud and misrepresentation and try to claw back the money that he had been paid so far to be a professional wrestler.

Because, with the effort he's put in, he would deserve that level of treatment.

This is the most boring, disappointing, sloppy, lazy,

do-nothing motherfucker that's ever walked in the face of a goddamn wrestling ring.

I've just a fashion I please let me put this in goddamn capitals.

Fire Okada.

Well, let's now get to the main roster, non-champions.

Again, this is according to their website because there are names here I heard were not under contract anymore, but they are here.

But let's go through this.

And others are in their updated gimmicks.

So, some yeah, if we make any mistakes, pardon us, ladies and gentlemen, we're only reading the roster page from the company's website.

Jim Aaron Solo.

I

know for whatever reason.

That was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.

Jim, from the team of crew, action and ready.

Oh, Christ on a cracker.

No, he looks.

As a matter of fact, well, we'll get there, but are he and the top flight guys and two or three of these other fucking midgets, are they all from the same litter?

I don't think so.

I think he's from one part of the country.

They're from another part of the country.

They all wrestle the same.

They talk the same.

They dress the same.

I can't tell one of them from the other one.

So you're not taking action, Andretti, is it?

No, no.

Jericho made him a superstar.

He's free to be a free agent and go get the best deal.

What about hangman Adam Page?

You know, it's sad.

Again, we're supposed to be just okay

on talent and would they be a boon to a company, ignoring the previous booking, but we know his attitude sucks.

besides the

whole brew ha ha with punk he's the guy that said

when they asked him on a public interview said well what do you ask the veterans for advice no i really don't take advice from anybody so take my advice paige you're fired

what about alex abrahantes

Where the is he still there?

See, he's one of the examples of someone who I thought may be gone

or maybe he was.

But, but no, because he wasn't even really a manager, he just was entertaining with the Lucha brothers because

God knows something about them had to be entertaining, but no, I mean, you know, I don't really,

as an announcer, didn't he announce?

He, that's how he started, remember, and that was the best stuff he ever did when they introduced him at first.

He was the Spanish announcer, and then all of a sudden he started doing the pentheses

and it worked at first, and then it kind of

didn't.

yeah

what about alex reynolds from the dark order oh good lord let's not do that either

from the spanish announce project on helico oh for fuck's sake no no a thousand times no

said this is the problem and i mean yeah they stole the

tell me there's oh no go ahead with your problem Well, but you can't tell me they're still paying this fucking guy.

It's been six years.

I couldn't tell you.

This is all the guys they started with that were on indie shows that were their friends that they thought, oh, if only a big audience could see.

And then the big audience saw and said, what the fuck?

It's all indie guys.

And

there's nothing wrong with being an indie guy and wanting to live your dream of being a wrestler.

But

only on indie shows with indie crowds.

What about cool hand, Luke Parker?

Excuse me, not Luke.

His name's Angelo.

Let me redo that.

I don't know why I said Luke.

Well, that's his name, Cool Hand Luke.

That's what threw me off.

That's what threw me off.

Yeah.

He partners with Daddy Mac Mac Daddy.

Well, his name is Angelo Parker, Cool Hand.

Well, let's not do Angelo either because again, it's just a nondescript look.

Nondescript.

We don't know.

What about Anthony Bowens?

Where is he gone?

Well, they did the big turn with him and Max Caster, the big breakup.

And then he beat Caster in 30 seconds, and we've never seen either one of them again.

I guess that means he's on collision.

I remember Bowens being a pretty good fucking athlete, wasn't he?

And he could, we're, let's, let's let's say Bowens for right now.

You know, there's two big benefits.

He's a good athlete.

He's gotten himself over.

I guess that's two right there.

But also, he's never going to be a problem in the back.

And there's something to be said for that.

Someone who's going to get along with everyone.

So there, so we got it.

So we've kept

so far, we've kept Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin, Samoa Joe, Hobbs, and Bowens.

You're a racist.

There's not enough white guys.

Let's go now, Jim,

to a man who's...

in both Shane Taylor.

There isn't a white guy yet, come to think of it.

A man in Shane Taylor Promotions.

He's the governor, Anthony Agogo.

Oh, and he's gone, gone.

The governor.

The governor.

The governor.

Maybe he, you know what?

They need to make him the ambassador to West Faversham so he can open up a pipeline to OVW.

Jim, what about A.R.

Fox?

What about him?

Keep him?

You know, he's an athletic son of a bitch.

And if you could produce him,

let's keep him over there for the undercar.

See, I like him because he seems like he's like a friendly street dancer, just working hard to like feed his younger sister or something.

Like, you know, there's something relatable about him.

And he seems nice, except when he helped kidnap Nick Wayne or whatever he did back in the day.

I was about to say, yeah, he helped with some kind of

look.

He's trying to make money to feed his family.

Yeah, he's got a lot.

All right.

Well, where is it?

We still need white guys over here.

The next one here, I thought this was Ricochet.

This is not Ricochet.

Arya Davari from Premier Athletes.

Okay, that's Sean Davari's brother.

And I don't know him as well as I know Sean.

I've always was a big fan of Sean's.

I don't remember honestly seeing anything of what Arya could do.

So I don't know what to say there.

Aria working there?

I haven't seen him on TV.

Are you working there?

Let's put Arya in the middle.

In the middle, based on what?

We haven't even seen him.

Based on, I just, well, I feel bad for him because he's the brother of somebody I like, and I don't remember actually what the fuck he's ever done.

At least here in this particular

situation.

Jim, from the bang bang gang, what about Austin Gunn?

Where are the guns?

They had that thing they did with the Hurt Syndicate, and then they were just gone again.

Well, we want the gun boys.

We want Austin and we want

Colton.

Colton

is who we want.

We want Austin and Colton gun.

All right.

Well, we want

the guns, they work their asses off.

They're athletic.

They were getting a little over the top trying to stand out in a goddamn, you know, circus parade, but

they've got all kinds of potential.

What about the Ring of Honor world champion Bandito?

I mean,

he's popular.

Again, can you produce this guy?

I don't know.

Let's save him.

Let's save him.

We'll put him down there.

What about the Redwood?

Big Bill.

You know, again,

we said we weren't going to talk about previous booking.

I would take Big Bill.

Something can be done with Big Bill.

Don't let him speak for very long, change his name,

give him a partner that can talk

or a manager that can talk or something and produce his ass to where he doesn't do anything stupid to be a seven-foot giant.

And

there might be something there.

You really have to see some of the photos on this page.

Jim, what about daddy ass

Billy Gunn?

You know, Billy to me is

in the back producing, training, being entertaining.

Billy's not on camp.

Billy overshadowed,

what was their names?

Caster and Bowens, the acclaimed.

It became all about Billy.

And then the thing with the kids, I think Billy is a valuable asset backstage and to tell guys blatantly to their face, maybe what to fucking do, but I wouldn't put him on television right now.

Jim from the Gates Gates of Agony, Bishop Khan.

Okay.

I mean,

all I look at when I see the fake Samoans is fake Samoans, bloodline rip-offs.

I've seen these guys and

I don't get it.

Jim, do you get Brandon Cutler?

Yes, but fortunately, penicillin will cure it.

Are you keeping

Brandon Cutler?

Yes, I'm keeping him in custody until we can have the police come and pick him up for impersonating a wrestler.

No, he's gone, gone, he's way past gone.

He's in the archives.

He's vapor.

He's history.

He's legend.

What about, and this person's injured right now, but what about Brian Cage from the Don Cowas family?

I think he's an idiot.

I don't think that you could tell him how to take advantage of the look and the athletic ability that he's got.

He's a fucking beast who has a better body than Lex Luger, and he wants to do backflips and get his shit in.

I don't think he's got the high gear to kick into to be a real effective, aggressive fucking heel,

but I don't think you can get any sympathy on him as a babyface.

I think he's a guy with a great body that could have made a million dollars if he didn't just concentrate on doing fucking moves.

So I'd backflip him on out through the parking lot.

Jim from the hounds of hell, Brody King.

You know,

let's keep him

because he's big and tattooed up.

And

I've said before, he looks kind of like he would have been great in territories.

He looks kind of like an indie-level heel, but he would have been a

top heel in a group in one of the smaller mid-sized territories.

But let's see if we can do something with him.

Of course, again, he's probably one of these indie-minded clowns, but if you could produce him, there could be something there.

Again, he's on the list here.

I don't know how you would consider him.

Brian Danielson.

You know, before I would have said the same thing I just said about Billy, even though he's retired from wrestling, I would have him in the back to help guys train guys, whatever.

He's not as entertaining as Billy Gunn, just to sit around and talk to but but i think he's goddamn lost his fucking mind with this indie bullshit along with the buckaroos and all the people of that ilk and i think he really thinks this shit that he did last few years was good

as opposed to when he was really the one of the best if not the best wrestler in the world

I don't think I want people spreading his fucking thoughts around the locker room if I'm trying to do a real wrestling company, just being candid and honest.

Can you disagree with me based on what you've seen?

Well, if we're taking him as a wrestler out of the equation, you're even just talking about him as an agent, a producer.

Yeah.

If you can't trust his instincts to think the right thing or do the right thing, what good is he in that role?

And, you know, he's just going to encourage all of the children to live their dream rather than make me some fucking money.

So, yeah, Brian, enjoy your retirement.

We all love you.

let's stay on the topic of brian's with a why the bad apple brian keith

i mean there i've got nothing against him but he's small and he

you can get anybody

sorry brian you you were better on family affair

jim also from the hounds of hell how about sebastian cabot Should we send him along with him?

How about Buddy Matthews?

Buddy Matthews does not go on the roster, but the person that Buddy Matthews would be renamed as is one of my

favorite prospects.

Yes, I'd keep Buddy Matthews in a heartbeat.

Would that be one of your favorite projects if you were actually in charge of this project?

Yes,

because there's something.

If nothing else, he looks like a fucking caveman.

But with that body, with that explosive athletic ability, with

the work that he's able, he's not just

yes he's great at doing moves and i say that

derogatorily sometimes but with that size and with that physique and with that speed and with that explosive athletic ability and doing the move where it's smooth and doesn't hurt himself or someone else that's a big part of wrestling i don't know if he can talk If he can't talk, I make him the missing link junior where he doesn't have to fucking talk.

But there's got to be some way that that guy can draw some money in the wrestling business.

We just got to find out what it is.

Jim, what about?

I don't know who this is.

Well, that's a strong recommendation already.

From the infantry.

Looks like someone I used to work with name, Ralph Volhuncio.

From the infantry and also from Shane Taylor Promotions,

Charlie Bravo.

I mean, what do you do when you couldn't pick a guy out of a police lineup?

I assume if he was that good, he would have been brought to our attention.

So

over and out, Charlie Bravo.

This is the roster.

They're paying these people.

Jim from FTR,

Cash Wheeler.

Well, obviously, you keep cash.

Again, we're not talking about previous booking.

And he's,

along with Buddy and a couple of other guys, physically, physically the most impressive fucking in-ring performer they've got.

So.

Well, you also have to be scared if you said, Cash, I'm not renewing you.

Oh, God, he's got his gun out again.

I got it wrong.

Come on now.

No, don't do that.

He was found

not

liable or innocent or not guilty or whatever he was found.

He was in trouble over it.

Jim, what about Chris Jericho?

Sorry, Chris.

You know what?

It's terrible to say that

because obviously you wouldn't want him wrestling regularly because of his age.

And less would be more there.

You'd get a name and a legendary

superstar to come in for two or three pay-per-views a year and some things like that.

And you would get your value out of him.

But he's

besides the fact that he's gone mental.

You know, he just, now it's just shameless self-promotion above all else.

And the whole thing, we need younger, fresher guys.

And he ain't young or fresh.

Jim, what about from the patriarchy, Christian Cage?

I mean,

the same thing in that, you know, I don't.

He's got a name and at least he's not behaved publicly like he's going through a midlife crisis like Jericho.

He can cut a heck of a promo.

I haven't talked to him in a long time to know where his head's at on

the children's wrestling or whether he's just, you know, taking Tony's money and not worrying about it.

But he's another guy that I might want to, depending on where his head is at these days,

have in the back to talk to guys.

But, you know,

again, I, even though he's, he can certainly outwork fucking Brandon Cutler at half his age, but I, you know, no, this is not the over-the-hill gang.

If you have somebody that age, it's going to be very, very special.

Again, this next person I think is retired and working as an agent, the Kentucky gentleman, Chuck Taylor.

All I can tell you about fucking Chuck Taylor is he wouldn't be working.

He wouldn't even be allowed to panhandle anywhere around a wrestling promotion I had anything to do with.

What about from the Death Riders, Claudio Castignoli?

I said I wasn't going to count previous booking against anybody.

I'm keeping Claudio.

There is something.

I'm sorry.

There's something that could be done.

He's not going to be the main event.

He's not going to be the champion, but on a roster of wrestling promotion, there's something could be done with a guy that talented.

Better than what they've done.

Better than what they've done, absolutely.

But I don't think Claudio, I think that's a wasted roster spot, if you ask me.

But what about this next one, Jim?

Boom, boom.

Colt Cabana.

Is the boom, boom sound of when we fire him out of a cannon?

to make sure that he flies a long way away from us.

No, it's ridiculous.

He's not over the hill because he never got up the hill to begin with.

He

can't get the comedy out of his fucking blood.

He's a joke cosplaying wrestler.

He was patient zero for joke cosplaying wrestlers.

That's why all the Kookamonga kids and the lollipop guild looked up to him as a hero.

What about from the Bang Bang gang, Colton Gunn?

Well, I've already got him up there with his brother.

Yeah, we're definitely keeping him

what about the rated r superstar

cope

and they've actually got him under the seas under the name cope

uh

this

applies again

christian jericho edge

major names all over 50.

If I'm putting a roster together, I'm looking at the next two to five years, and they ain't going to be there.

So

with Edge again, I would have said, you know, great for training or attitude or whatever, except he's the guy that was in the fucking match with the fucking spike sticking out of the bat with Dick the Boozer.

So all a lot of these guys have,

you could almost tell who of the 50-year-old generation has gone crazy because the ones that don't stay in the WWE system and the ones that have gone crazy go over here and want to play with the children.

But

I don't see it.

On the list that we have kept,

besides for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin,

I think the maximum age is around 40-ish.

And

tell me that Lashley and Benjamin look old.

And, you know, I'll go along with you.

But no, we need younger people that are serious professional wrestlers wrestlers and not either ex, you know, past their prime superstars or cosplaying children that want to do indie shit.

What about very nice, very evil

Danhausen?

You can't mean to tell me that that was the name you were up to right after I said no cosplaying children.

That's what comes after Cope, Danhausen.

Okay, well, let's, well, I, you know, we don't wish Danhausen Danhausen any ill.

I don't think he's ever actually wrestled there to begin with.

So

we don't want him to wrestle for us.

But if he wants to guest on Svengooley, then we can talk.

But enjoy your nowhere contract is what we're saying.

Haven't seen him on TV in a year and a half, two years.

Nowhere, man.

Please listen.

Jim, what about Daniel Garcia?

Oh, for Christ's sake.

Well, besides, you know, he's got a lot of attributes.

He's got that incredible physique.

I'm sorry.

He's got that incredible promo ability.

I'm saying he's got that wonderful movie star look.

Yeah, okay.

Daniel Garcia.

Is his uncle Jerry still hiring for the band?

Let's not associate Daniel Garcia with the genius that was Jerry Garcia.

I thought you were going to say, let's not associate Daniel Garcia with the dead.

And then I could say, well, I'd like to.

You know, Jim, we'll get back to this in a second.

But if I was a member of Jerry Garcia's family and I heard you say something about Daniel Garcia being a member of the family, let alone related to the great Jerry Garcia.

Are you about to threaten me with legal action?

I may want to sue.

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But, Jim, let's finish up.

Let's return to the roster.

We'll go a little bit longer.

We are right now in D,

but it looks like we move pretty quickly from there.

And that's another thing.

That's another thing.

They start with the first name instead of the last name.

If you're looking for Garcia, he's not in the Gs, he's in the Ds.

Well, Jim, also in the Ds, Dante Martin of Top Flight.

I'm going to need a second page of paper for all these firings.

Okay, Dante Martin.

Dante work here no more.

Well, hold on now one second.

You're talking about the future and Top Flight and his brother's right here too, Darius Martin.

They are a younger tag team who does spectacular stuff.

You don't think there's something you could do with them?

They're a younger tag team who does spectacularly sloppy stuff.

And if I'm not mistaken, both of them have been seriously injured over the past few years.

And

until they can,

you know, who shows me something?

Is old Kyle Felcher.

From the time that he showed up, what, a year ago on TV until now he's put on 25, 30 pounds.

He's got to be on a sauce.

And I admire his dedication.

But he's changed his physique.

He's growing up.

He's getting bigger.

He's getting,

he's polishing himself.

These two mopes look the same as they did five years ago.

So, and they're, they're indie guys doing indie matches.

And yes, I think it was Dante is the amazing leaper,

but

they do the same thing now and look the same as they did five years ago.

I don't see any progress.

And I'm not talking about booking them different ways.

I'm talking about getting a goddamn gym come up with some kind of gimmick a look something

they look like

seven other people on the roster

well jim

the conqueror of everest darby allen

we got to keep him we might have to

put him on a contract where he's handcuffed after every match and taken and put in a box somewhere until the next night's show.

So he can't do anything stupid.

But all things being equal, he has a weird, unique charisma.

And there's some way you could get something out of that, but not if he in any way makes any of his own decisions about anything in his life.

You'd have to feed him.

You'd actually have to feed that guy.

You could make a bunch of money with him, but you'd have to feed him.

You'd have to show him the proper way to piss.

I mean, you'd have to start from the ground up.

I want to talk about people looking the same.

There's multiple people on the page I'm looking at right now with the same bald head look.

From FTR, Dax Harwood.

Obviously, we're keeping Dax like we're keeping cash because,

again,

they've been booked into insensibility, but they are the best performing tag team in the company.

And you could do something with them that's been better than what's done, especially if they are produced and if Dak stays off Twitter.

From Los Facion

in Gobernale,

the fuckers and the goobers, drawlistico.

Draw a map for him to be able to get home.

Jim, both Ring of Honor World Tag Team Champion and Ring of Honor World Six-Man Tag Champion, Dustin Rhodes.

You know what?

You've got to keep keep Dustin.

And

he's the one guy over 50 that you have on the roster.

And then you do

a proper

retirement angle, retirement tour, retirement whatever, where he,

what they were going to do with Jeff.

We might have to keep him also, just so we can see how that turned out.

Oh, give me a break.

But just

I've got one more year and I want to go out

with some level of my head held high and some heel is trying to fuck with him.

Dustin's great with that type of thing.

And then you transition him to training, working in the back, whatever the case.

I like all of his promos now or his confrontations.

They all begin with him screeching the other person's name.

Jim!

Max!

Like everyone's name, he just screeches it out.

Well, remember, it was his idea that he had remember when Goldust had Tourette's, that was his idea.

But well, it came from he was in the locker room constantly just acting like he had Tourette's, and it was so fucking people hurt when they finished laughing at him that they ended up doing it.

It was one of those cases of ribbon yourself,

Jim.

What about the mad king, Eddie Kingston?

I think that time has passed.

And remember, we had had when he first got there,

and even though he looks pretty slovenly for a professional athlete, there was the gimmick and the personality, and then they did the article, and he had a window there, and then he got hurt.

And then his matches-I mean, you would have had to expose his wrestling on a limited basis to begin with if you were using him properly.

And

now I think he's just, yeah, I think time is gone.

I'm sorry.

From the Dark Order, Evil Uno.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

Let's seriously.

No, the fat fucking counterclerk with a goddamn mask on, literally cosplaying as a wrestler.

You ought to see what this motherfucker looks like.

I saw him at a ring of honor TV taping one time at the ECW Arena.

I thought the guy from the concession stand, from the hot dog thing, had come in the back and I was fixed to kick him out.

He has to cover the face, but he hadn't figured out a way to cover the fucking body.

No,

he's another one of

the goddamn children that maybe they were the Super Smash Brothers.

And I had people in, this was in 2010.

saying, well, they're the best tag team in the world.

When we were featuring Mark and Jay Briscoe, Charlie Haas, and Shelton Benjamin,

there were fans saying, but the Super Smash Brothers are the best tag team in the world.

This fat fuck and his goddamn weird friend.

Jim, what about

in Ring of Honor?

Jim, what about Griff Garrison?

What about him?

What do you want to do with him?

I want to fire him.

I didn't know he still, I didn't know he still worked there.

Neither did I.

Again, tall, bad haircut, no body, no physique.

We haven't seen him in years, and there wasn't nothing to look at anyway.

He was the anchor around poor Brian Pillman Jr.'s neck till he escaped the asylum.

Jim, what about hologram?

If they get, how far can we project him?

Again, what the fuck?

You've got hologram, you've got gravity, you've got.

Fucking space capsule.

I don't know.

All of the various Mexican guys with these weird names that do the same shit.

They're all minute.

You can't tell one apart.

There's not a Rey Mysterio in that crowd.

Gravity's not on the list, by the way.

Gravity, that's who I was thinking about.

Oh, gravity ain't on the list.

Well, gravity absconded, didn't he?

To go back to Mexico?

Or was that the other guy?

I really don't know.

Part of that new AAA thing.

No, no, no, that was Vikingo.

Yes,

El Hijo, the Vikingo.

Okay, well, Vikingo, hologram, gravity.

No,

no.

Jim from the ops,

hook.

We're going to keep that young man and we're going to put him in a different program.

And we're going to start him out.

That program is called Save by the Bell.

Well, no.

We're going to start him out as the young son of Taz, the announcer.

And he's a fucking mixed martial arts student or judo specifically or whatever.

And we're going to start him at the bottom like a preliminary wrestler, and we're going to work his way up whether, and he's not going to eat no potato chips,

but we're going to see if something's there when you concentrate on something serious for a period of time,

instead of trying to make this honestly undersized, underaged young man, some kind of cool fucking modern-day James Dean with a sack of potato chips and a bad haircut.

And we're going to see if a regular traditional wrestling push where they see him grow up in front of their eyes might

get any interest.

And if it doesn't, we're going to fire him.

Jim, what about from Private Party?

Isaiah Cassidy.

What's his partner's name?

Mark Quinn.

Mark Quinn.

Cassidy goes, Quinn stays.

Quinn's the one that does, and that's another thing because I don't need the Martin because

I think of the

high jumpers, Mark Quinn was the highest jumper.

And he was the one that was the most impressive with all of the flying shit.

This was several years ago when they were using those guys.

So

I would eliminate all the half-assed flyers and constant, there's my Rey Mysterio, but he's not five foot two, Mark Quinn.

He's the guy that will do the flying shit.

So it will all get over and he's the best one at it.

We don't need 18 of them.

We just need the one guy to do that particular thing.

But again, you talk about people who have had injury issues.

We've had long gaps where Mark Quinn wasn't available.

And I think it may have been due to injury.

Does that scare you off that?

Well, if he gets hurt again, I'll fire him.

All right, Mr.

Happy here.

Jim from the Elite, the scapegoat, Jack Perry.

And again, he's gone.

Sorry.

This is a guy.

We don't hold the booking against him, but I do hold him against him.

And where Jungle Boy was the cute mid-card baby face that could sell and come back and had some fire to him,

that's a good spot for him.

He wasn't ever going to be a main event guy,

but because he's friends with the fucking

Liliputians, they try to make him some kind of badass heel.

And he's not even put down by being set on fire with a flamethrower.

He's got a bad attitude.

He thinks his shit don't stink, and he's proven that he's not coachable.

And he's also proven that he's an idiot because he ran his dick liquor to see him punk and got facelocked.

So you don't need that.

He's not big enough nor

in any way a great enough wrestling talent to compensate for having a fucking whiny little bitch in your locker room.

So I don't think he's of much use to anybody.

I hate to say that if it was just he's he's the cute curly-haired guy that we can put in the middle as a Ricky Morton-style babyface, that'd be great.

But he's those days are gone, yeah, that ain't coming back, I don't think, with this guy.

And, Jim, we will uh finish with Jay here.

Uh, we have a few more to go, and then we will pick up next time with Kay.

Speaking of Jay, Jay Lethal,

Jay Lethal, obviously, we would keep

uh, not holding booking against him.

He's, let's see,

he's better than, he's a better worker in the ring than half the guys already that I said I'd keep.

And I'm firing twice as many as I'm keeping.

Again, he's not going to be the champion of a major organization.

He can be the ring of honor champion.

He's not going to, I don't know if I call AEW a major organization, but he's not your world champion.

But he's a quality talent that can be used in a variety of ways.

One of the things that made him attractive in the ring of honor was not only that he had some mainstream television exposure, so the average person would see who he was or would know who he was,

but also that he could work with the younger guys that were starting to be younger then, but try to slow them down a little bit.

and try to give them a little pace at the same time.

So he's giving them some on-the-job training from being in the ring and on bigger shows and with bigger talent than those guys had been.

And also, he was great with personal appearances.

You could schedule him with a station-oriented appearance, and he wasn't going to show up fucked up or late or piss anybody off or insult anybody or leave early or whatever.

So you want him, whether he's in a group or a tag team or whatever, you want him to mean enough on your cards and guys

like that.

Uh, who I could maybe a Claudio is a heel if it's that middle card area, or but no, you know, he's not gonna up, but you know, people aren't gonna watch him,

but they're not

he's you're just on Claudio.

You don't have a show where people are gonna watch everybody on the show.

Some of the people are on the show to facilitate the furtherance of the people that they are gonna watch.

But I've and Jay has much more personality than Claudio, but you A.R.

Fox, you want some guys

on the card, Bowens.

They're never going to be the champion, but you want them on the card because they can perform with other people and you could do a little thing here and there.

But Jay Lethal, I would use upper mid-card at the very least and in some type of meaningful spot to be a gatekeeper of people who are ready to take the next step.

Again, I think it would have been anyway.

I think years ago, maybe one thing, but right now, I can't see that.

But you're the expert.

Who with Jay or with Claudio?

Either.

Either of them.

Right now.

You've got a guy that

could always perform and you can count on and is still young because he started as a teenager.

I'm not, again, saying you

well, actually, I didn't even think about it.

How old is Jay Lethal?

Jay Lethal is hold on.

When

15 years ago, he's 36, 36.

40 years old.

40.

Okay, 40.

He's an old man.

So, now you're keeping some old man on your roster.

I said 40s, I'll keep

50s.

They got to go.

All right, Jim.

What about the next one here?

I don't want to get bogged down by Jay Lethal.

From the Bang Bang Gang,

Jay White.

I mean, surprised you're thinking about it.

I didn't expect you to actually take time to think about it.

Interesting.

Well, but here's the thing.

If I'm keeping A.R.

Fox, I'm going to keep Jay White.

I won't let him do these interminable live interviews.

He and Juice,

that's still my favorite tag team match I've seen in the last five years with FTR.

Jay White and Juice Robinson as a tag team had something.

And

they fucked that up by making Juice a sidekick and trying to push Jay White as a single.

And Jay White's never going to be a star as a single in any way, shape, or form anywhere in this world.

But Jay and Juice

as a tag team, I would have bought and I would have pushed.

So I'll keep him and see if we can do that again.

And Juice can talk.

And Jay can stand there and nod.

He's up ahead, so I guess I'll just include it now.

Rockhard Juice Robinson from the Bang Bang Act.

Juice Robinson, baby.

We're keeping him in a heartbeat because he's got a personality.

It's different.

He looks different.

He's doing something different.

He doesn't look like all the rest of these fucking children.

I'm sure the next one you and I will disagree on here in 2025, Jeff Jarrett.

I said jokingly earlier, hey, I wonder what happened with Jeff's fucking, you know, last year

of the business, retirement march or whatever

i i

i think i almost i would have jeff

on the roster to work with guys at house shows

i don't think jeff needs to be a tv personality or character at this juncture i would have him

working in the backstage area or in the area of live event promotions or in the area of finding fucking sponsors

Have you ever seen a motherfucker that can find as many people with money as Jeff Jarrett?

But if I was going to have him wrestle,

I would have him work with guys, younger guys on the fucking house shows.

Just open a show for 15 minutes and teach them on the job.

You know what?

I would keep Jeff Jarrett.

If that's exactly how you would use him, that's exactly how I would keep him.

So yeah, I got no problem.

There you go.

From the Dark Order, Jim,

John Silver.

Oh, please.

Long John needs to peg leg on out of here.

Jim,

a former protege of yours, I guess you could say, Johnny TV.

Formerly John Morrison from MM.

You know, again, how old is John now?

Because

he's in his mid-40s.

You know, the booking has been ridiculous.

And I don't think.

He's my age.

Wow, 45.

Yeah, I don't think John particularly cares, you know, but he's just going through, you know, life and wrestling and doing his thing,

whether he plays with the children or not, what the style is.

He's a heck of an athlete and he's a nice guy.

I think there's something that you could get.

I'm going to write down John Morrison because that's his actual name.

I think there's something you could get

for a short time out of John.

He stays in shape and he doesn't cause people trouble.

All right.

Jim, a couple more here.

From the Don Callis.

Or Jays?

From the Don Callis family, Josh Alexander.

You know,

we got to keep him because he's new.

He looks like he's tried to be serious.

They have introduced him in a kind of a sad way.

Nobody knows why, except that his ear might fall off, that he's wearing that fucking headgear, and they've beat him every time we've seen him.

But he's trying.

I would do something with this guy, see what the fuck happens.

I'd keep him.

And finally, Jim, from the premiere athletes, the technical beast,

Josh Woods.

Have

wait, you know what?

He was the guy that worked with Dan Severn when I managed Dan at WrestleCade in Winston-Salem.

I think back about eight years ago, when I said, okay, this will be my last match managing.

And it has been.

I honored that.

He used to be an MMA guy and an amateur wrestler.

And I think we saw him.

Three times on AEW television about three or four years ago, didn't we?

I don't know.

I think he was a Ring of Honor guy.

But again, I don't know.

I don't know.

Well, but no, but he was on AEW television as whether it's after Tony had absorbed Ring of Honor, then it becomes all one and the same anyway.

But

I don't, I haven't seen him in so long.

I don't know whether he's any good or not.

So

we might have to fire him and let him go away and learn a new hold.

I just don't know.

Gonna fire the wrestler you managed in or managed against in your final match.

Well, he should have done a better job.

That was eight years ago, he was like a rookie.

Uh, I just don't know.

I mean, I hate to keep him if he's the shits now, but I don't know what to say.

Well, again, this is only the halfway point, or maybe not even that.

Jesus Christ.

Well, okay, now hold on here a second.

I'm going to count because I think there's still 26 lines on a piece of notebook paper.

So that's

50.

We've gone through over 60 people

and we're just to the J's in the men.

And that's not counting referees, announcers, and women.

And I have kept

so far 22 plus put a couple in the middle.

I mean, at least I kept 22.

Of course, we'll have to go through and give this

another look-see once we get the list, but you know,

keeping 30%, that's not bad so far for this crew.

Well, again, we are not even halfway through the men's roster.

We will continue that, I guess, on the experience coming up wherever you find your favorite podcast.

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Let me get this.

This is not the one I wanted, but go for it.

Good heavens.

I'm moving stuff around.

Yeah, you.

All right.

At least that made some noise.

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