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Oh, Jesus Christ.

Hello again, friends, and Jesus Christ, and you are our friends.

And welcome back to another edition of Jim Coronet's drive-thru right here on a fall day.

And we'll see how far we fall here today.

I'm your host, the great Brian Last.

We have some modern wrestling reviews.

We have some classic wrestling topics and the usual

whatever the hell it is with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornet,

Mickey himself, Mr.

Jim Cornette.

Hey, Mickey, you

punctuated, I guess would be the proper terminology, you punctuated the

freestyling, let's say, on the organ

with the

mystery phrase that people are still, it's going to be like the pop-ass chicken of recorded audio.

People are going to be killing each other over the trying to figure out what this thing is and fighting over what they think it is because we got people either way with the the the anoki keychain that is either

i just called to say i love you is what he's saying or

well whatever the

a lot of people i posted the uh video of this on twitter and on instagram you can find me there greatbrian last

we didn't know i didn't know you were lost a lot of people think that he's saying tiger bomb it's definitely not tiger bomb There was no tiger bomb.

Tiger bomb.

He had sore, sore gluteus muscles.

After wrestling tiger jeet sing.

And it just doesn't sound like arigato, somebody was saying.

A lot of people said that.

We heard from people who said, like, I'm married to a Japanese woman and I played her this thing.

She says it's areigato.

And then some other people started chiming in saying, no, Enoki had a famous phrase, which I don't know what it is.

And I can't say it off the top of my head.

It's that.

So we still don't know.

And then he does the itchy knee sandbao, which we're cutting off there.

And this.

That your thing is stuck and that's all it'll play.

I would do anything for this just to play the song once on the air.

Instead, Tiger Bomb.

No.

Tiger Bomb.

Tiger.

It doesn't play the song you just hallucinated that one time you thought it did.

All right, we'll come back to it then.

I didn't mean to.

Yeah, it's just you're gonna you're gonna melt your battery there, uh,

tiger.

Anyway, I wanted to say here at the top of the program, for those of you who have been following the developing fluid situation

concerning Stacey's mom has been in the hospital for a few weeks now, a month, as a matter of fact, exactly.

They transferred her this weekend to the physical rehabilitation place over here.

The people are nice and they got the 24-hour, you know, medical staff and et cetera, but also concentrating on

she's been sitting in a chair or laying in a bed for a month at a hospital.

So she's got to get back up and about.

And they're working on that.

And we're going to have a meeting in a couple of days with them on her progress when she gets to come back home.

They moved into their new place six months ago.

And since that time, she's been in the hospital a total of about six or seven weeks.

So she hadn't really gotten settled yet.

But that was good news for those of you

who have been sending nice

thoughts and

not enough Reese cups.

I wish more people would send Reese cups, but a lot of people have been saying nice things and sending kind thoughts.

But Reese Cups would be appreciated also.

I got to get something out of this.

Oh, for you?

I thought you meant for her.

No, she's diabetic.

What are you trying to randomly?

Why are people mailing you anything?

Well, I'm sort of holding the mail

trying to feed my diabetic mother-in-law, Reese Cups.

You are talking about this woman who's gone through a lot and how thankfully she's on the uphill or she's going uphill, whatever we determine there.

And then all of a sudden, you're like, you know, people, thank you for sending your nice wishes.

Reese cups will be nice.

Send those.

I figure talking about her.

I thought her.

So

in my time of need, also.

Time of need?

I don't have any Reese cups.

Oh.

But then also in my spare time, I'll have you know

that I have been able to in my spare time, laughingly.

But no, while Stace and her sister have been visiting

their mom in the new facility over here, I've had a chance to sleeve a few more of my negatives.

We talked about the negatives a few weeks ago as part of the process that the new book, which we'll talk about later,

has been an offshoot of.

And I have now officially

put the negatives in the sleeves of of 9,000 frames

of wrestling photos.

9,000.

And boy, howdy, it's impressive when you look at it, but when you look at what I've got left, it doesn't look like that much.

But I've gold, Jerry, gold.

I'm finding the gold, baby.

But in the process of that,

see,

some of these have not been taken out of the envelope, most of many of them, almost all of them, have not been taken out of the envelopes that they were in since they were last sent back to me from the photo finishing place.

We had shit printed, right?

So

I'm not saying that every one of those 9,000 frames is,

you know,

a gold star photo, but the majority of them are because we've had

many of the

frames on the strips reprinted.

Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth poorly?

I think so so far, poorly.

Okay.

So

it says on the last sleeve, we had 100 of these printed or 200 of these printed.

And I'm sitting here going through just sleeve after sleeve after sleeve of these and again, getting a visual representation

what we talked about before when I said how many tens of thousands of pictures that we sold at the souvenir stands in this territory?

And I've realized now that if

Jim Crockett promotions had been smart,

they could have goddamn avoided going $2 million in debt by putting out a picture table.

They could have saved their whole goddamn company by putting out a fucking picture table.

Instead of the haphazard t-shirts and the lousy

big event, the big event programs were nice, but the regular programs, if there was one for the events, kind of sucked.

Yeah, I own the rights to a lot of those programs.

Yeah.

They're not good.

So you can testify.

Yeah.

And oh, and the Memphis programs were nothing to write home about it.

Lawler laid them out in 10 minutes on his coffee table.

He had me write shit in longhand and just took a stag of my pictures and made it up.

I personally like the King's fun pages where it's like mazes and cartoons and games to play.

He would just draw a cartoon around an actual maze page that he had clipped from a magazine or whatever.

But anyway, point being,

think about this.

Let's say

1981 and 1982, where a lot of this stuff is from, was my big years in the picture business.

But I know how much that the

In a variety of the towns, the merchandise stands were grossing because my mother was one of the people selling the stuff and counting the money.

And she got paid a commission based on what it was.

So

Louisville was a thousand-dollar a week town.

And if it did $800, that's what either was a crummy crowd or just a horrible, for whatever reason, the fifth Tuesday of the month, whatever.

But about a thousand dollars a week you could count on.

That's $52,000 a year.

Let's write this down.

52 grand for Louisville.

And now, if it was a big crowd, it could go above that as well, but let's just keep an average.

Over in Evansville, bless them, bless their little pea picking hearts at the Coliseum.

If we did $400, that was,

that was,

thank you.

You know, that made it worth the trip and et cetera.

But that's still,

what's 400 times 52, Brian?

You're a smart man, graduate of a major university.

Around 20,800.

Okay.

The major university was Nassau Community College, for the record.

Well, they've expanded lately online.

And you can also marry people with a certificate from there.

It's a two-year school.

Well, they'll be around much longer than that.

Everybody's got to start somewhere.

Well, don't laugh at them.

They've been around for a while.

Anyway, in Lexington, they ran once a month, right?

And because they ran once a month, the people only got one chance at the gimmick table.

And because it was generally a bigger crowd overall,

the goal going into every Lexington show was $2,000.

And occasionally it might not reach that, but oftentimes it'd go a couple hundred bucks above that.

But let's say

2,000 times 12 is $24,000.

Now, also,

Teeny ran at least one spot show, the other three Thursdays, or potentially a Saturday once in a while,

up here.

And that was

way

off the charts, you know, depending on

it could be a stinker and wouldn't do $200.

But on those big ones, we'd do $1,000 sometimes at a high school gym.

So

realistically,

put in another $300 or $400 a week for three times a fucking month.

Let's say you get another $15,000 just off topfire head.

That is $72.96.

$111,000 a year

that they grossed just on the merchandise stand

at Christine's Towns.

And Memphis was bigger business because it was the biggest crowd.

And then you had Jackson, Tennessee, and then you had Nashville and all the spot shows around

those markets where

Ms.

Coffey, good old guy Coffey's wife Bonnie, traveled all around the Memphis spot shows and had her girls

at the table selling all the pictures, right?

It was at least double it.

So you're talking over $200,000 a year

in 1981 and 1982

in $1 color, 3.5 by 5s, $3 eight by tens,

a 50-cent black and white

four-page fold over program with an insert,

and my championship wrestling magazine

and that's today's money brian at 220 000 let's say

would be almost 700 grand

so what year are we talking about for this average 81 81 82 is the the figures that i'm specifically quoting right here what's interesting is

While Memphis or the Memphis Territory, the Nashville office, whatever you want to call it, was doing this kind of business what kind of merch operation if any did anyone else in wrestling really have vince mcmahon gets t-shirts and stuff really going in 83

but in 82 81 and 82 who was making merch money what promoters were making merch money almost nobody and the thing and nobody they were doing programs

They were, okay, Les Thatcher had pioneered t-shirts in the Carolinas and, you know, with the Briscoes and things and Thunderbolt.

Some people, and especially those within the business, the veterans out there are going to say, well, a lot of times the guys would have put up a stink

and say, well, no, I need part of the fucking money.

Well, yeah, the guys were getting the guys on the other end.

As we've talked about and covered on this show, the Memphis Inn down there, they got most all of the money, except what they might have paid out of pocket to girls that were selling at the time or get Ms.

Coffee a bottle of tonic or something

and but christine was

selling the pictures obviously past the cost of paying me to buy them and that's how she paid her driver was the 20 to the salesperson

who would then you know drive her to the matches and back

but It got to be so big, she had to have two people start selling it.

That's where they brought my mom in, et cetera.

And that she still gave the leftover to the boys.

She kept a manifest.

And they'll say, oh, it wasn't all that much.

Well, it added up.

They didn't keep track because it was cash.

Here, it sticks in your pocket.

And the, but here's what I'm saying:

is that was a way that it, especially for the babyfaces, made it more attractive to work in this territory.

Because they were making money that the promoter didn't have to pay them.

But what I'm saying is that on this level in this size of a territory with this size crowds, there's, yes, 3,000 people in Louisville every week.

So you had to keep

coming up with new shit because the same people were coming.

So that's why we took new pictures over and over and put them in different fucking

situations, whatever, different color backdrops, different outfits.

But that dollar, everybody had a dollar.

The kid wanted to go to the the concession stand.

Here, here's a dollar.

Oh, I get a picture of somebody.

Or the girls that would come and get the pictures every week, every picture of new Bill Dundee, new Jerry Lawler, new fabulous ones.

Here's $7.

Boom.

It added up and it was psychologically easy to part with.

That's $3 today, but a lot of people wouldn't have $3 in their fucking pocket.

And again,

this was the gross, so they had to pay for the shit, which is where I came in.

But we sold everything for at least three times what we were paying for because I was getting those fucking three and a half by fives for 23 cents at the start.

I think it finally upped it to 26.

And I was making eight or 10 bucks on 100, but I'd sell 1,500 packs of 100s.

And I pushed the eight by 10s.

Cause I jacked them up a set of those 25 bucks.

Did you ever figure out how much money you made on just Fabulous Ones photos?

Geez,

I literally made in the thousands of dollars, probably profit

just

selling them to them.

Because

it was in the five figures of

well into the five figures of three and a half by fives and well into the thousands of color eight by tens that we sold.

And they were outselling Lawler and Dundee when they got together?

Oh, yes.

That was the thing.

Lawler could still draw the big house in Memphis and the big house anywhere with the right opponent and the angle.

And Dundee was the favorite of the young ladies overall for the longest period of time, but nobody ever sold pictures at the clip of the fucking fabulous ones.

And you

take a picture of them doing anything, and you would sell a thousand.

I sold a thousand pictures of them in a barn laying on hay.

It was goddamn unbelievable.

But that's the thing I'm saying: is in this territory this size, they were grossing over $100,000 a year if Crockett or Watts, when he had the Rock and Roll Express, especially, or Magnum TA in Carolinas, or the fucking Road Warriors,

if they had expanded on this concept

instead of and shared some money with the boys.

Because

the thing is, they were supposed to share money with the boys, they just couldn't sell anything.

And the Rock and Roll Express fan club, as we've noted, I think they said they took in over a million dollars that Ricky or Robert got like 21 grand a piece.

But

literally, all these

in Baltimore and Philadelphia, you wouldn't have to just say a dollar.

Those were the prices for the folks that came every week in Evansville, Indiana, and the fair show in Muhlenberg County.

You're in fucking the spectrum in Philadelphia, Madison Square Garden, a whole slew of the goddamn pictures when the guys became 80s rock and roll teen idols.

Memphis started it all with the MTV videos and the whole thing.

And they could have done it.

Crockett could have fucking

sold nude photos of the Rock and Roll Express in 1986 and made his $2 million and put it in the bank and kept it for when he needed it.

Did anyone ever say anything to Watts about the merch operation in Midsummer?

I mean, specifically the guys who came from Memphis that were babyfaces that know what kind of, not just what kind of money it made, but you know, the fact that you were getting repeat customers, people that would want one of everything.

If you have these female fans, this is a way to super serve them.

I think Watts, part of it was probably being old-fashioned and not really wanting to investigate it further.

But Watts didn't, he wasn't about to just let the boys do their own thing like Jarrett would.

And he had to have a piece of it, and he probably wanted enough of it that he didn't think that it was worth keeping track of.

And they did some rock and roll express stuff too now.

And

actually, Jack Curtis was in charge of that

in the merchandise at the time we were down there, the whole merchant t-shirts and programs and things.

And they did some Rock and Roll Express bandanas and t-shirts and stuff.

And I think Ricky and Robert either got a cut or were supposed to get a cut, but they didn't want to go to the trouble, I guess.

Plus, I don't think anybody was there to break it down the magnitude of it for him.

And I'm not about to pitch him opening a fucking business with, oh, Cornette and I was in takeover mid-south.

But it just, and then with Crockett again, the merchandise was so shitty looking.

And,

you know, you would get it and see it on the catalog and go, oh, why are they doing this?

And the horseman logo that was so rotten.

And I took, they had no photographer in Mid-South.

I took some of the pictures in the programs that you now

own and possess

because

they didn't have any pictures of all the new guys that came from Tennessee.

So I had to bring the camera a few places and take pictures of.

Terry Taylor and the Rock and Roll Express and I think Magnum with a motorcycle and Duggan with a chair

just to give them something to fucking work with to send a Norm Keitzer.

I feel really bad for the Rock and Roll Express.

They got ripped off so badly with that fan club, and now Power Town.

Can't trust anyone in the Carolinas with your money.

And Dave either.

Remember, Dave?

Dave, that's right.

Eld Dave.

You know, it's an interesting conversation because it's also the period of time where everything was changing.

You know, 83, Vince has full control.

The partners are gone.

And you start seeing more merch being introduced with the big rollout, really, 84, 85, with Hulk Hogan coming in.

The LJNs are already being worked on in 84.

But you always hear that Hogan, and with the Hogan story, you never know what's true and what isn't.

But I've heard it before that he got pissed off because he found out that Vern had printed up a bunch of Hulkamania t-shirts and was selling them.

And he didn't get a cut or anything.

And when he brought it up, like Vern didn't see the problem with it.

You talk about old promoters and the old way of thinking.

If that's true, that really is kind of the embodiment of the past versus now.

Hogan leaves that deal.

All of a sudden, he's selling posters and workout kits and t-shirts and bandanas everywhere and getting a cut.

If, if you, if you,

yes, you, Brian Last, if you'd been there, no, if the royal you, if if a promoter of the status of Jim Crockett or Bill Watts or good Lord, I was gonna say Fritz von Erich, but that's all that office needed was more record keeping and fucking competent personnel jobs to do.

If they had gone to any of these guys and said, look, we are now not selling any pictures of you and you're making no money as a result of saying.

So we're going to just at every show that we do from now on, we're going to lay out the picture table, just like they used to do in Tennessee, only probably twice as long to make up for the bigger crowds.

And let these girls, especially, buy these pictures of these hunky guys.

And we're going to give you half of the fucking profit, and you don't have to do dick except stand there and pose for the pictures.

They're already with Crockett already paying guys

in 1986, 87, 88, well into six figures, and them seeing the crowds that were there,

I think all of them would say, yes, I will take half of the profit instead of jack shit, which is what I'm getting now,

which means that Crockett or Watts or whoever the fuck would have got half the profit.

Well, again, we're freezing.

As we've seen, well, I'm just saying any big company that was drawing the bigger crowds during those years,

Vern, whoever the fuck, fuck

could have grossed with the amount of people that were coming to their matches, hundreds of thousands of dollars a year

in and in today's money, which would be three times as much

by doing that.

Now that

I sit back here and look at it, it was all a whirlwind when I was a teenager, Brian.

I was so scared.

And again, Fritz was a different deal because they did do a lot of photos and everything, but they were for his kids.

So it's the promoter's sons who eventually, at the end of the the day, owned a little piece of the company, Kerry and Kevin did.

But they had bucks,

and it was all them.

I mean, there weren't too many.

I don't know who's buying.

But hold on,

hold on, here.

I saw this.

They still look like shit compared to the spread we had in Memphis.

It would be black and white eight by tens with the fucking.

Well, and I'm not, I'm not just putting myself over, but I will explain

the black and white eight by tens with the wrestler's name under it.

If you don't know who the fucking guy is,

you probably didn't need to buy his fucking picture.

It was an old-time publicity picture style thing for a new phenomenon.

The kids wanted the pictures of the free birds drinking fucking whiskey in color

in gimmick, like the girls wanted the pictures of the fabulous ones wearing legitimately only strategically placed towels in front of Jerry Jarrett's goddamn pool.

And the eight by tens especially, they want to put them up on their wall or put whatever the fuck.

And the other territory still had black and white eight by tens, or they would run something off cheap paper that wouldn't last, would crinkle and do all this other.

And it would only be for certain people.

We had a goddamn spread where you had

sleeves,

the plastic sleeves that each of the pictures slid under.

You could slide a stack into them.

So they were all under plastic.

Somebody pointed, we took it out, boom, here you go.

Again, a dollar for the small ones, $3 for the eight by tens.

It's nice and easy, but there's like an eight-foot table at least covered with these things, and it's all colorful shit.

And it's shit that they can take home and stick on their wall or put in their photo album or whatever the fuck.

And it was

more attractive.

and if you'd done that with everybody again as big as these guys became in the 80s for these companies

and jacked the prices up for the big towns the big markets the big enchiladas but do the same

thing

they could have gone through multitudes of these things multitudes brian

That's all I'm saying.

Yeah.

I mean, I've always thought that it's amazing that there wasn't more merchandising earlier.

I mean, we're talking about the lack of things in the early 80s.

It's amazing that there wasn't more being done in the early 70s.

You just look at everything happening in the real world, everything happening with toys, everything happening with sports, just everything.

And there really isn't very much.

Like, you'll see every now and then, like, oh, there's a shirt, big dust.

Like, that's the shirt they did for Gustie.

And you see the stuff that Les Thatcher did in the early 70s, which was wrestler-created early days, but by and long, and while we're, I mean, Memphis really is the outlier when it comes to just doing a lot of novelty things and then eventually just wrestling merch.

Yeah.

But there's really no one.

I mean, it's one of the crazy things about the WWWF.

There isn't much merch, and the programs, for the most part, suck.

They're very basic.

If you look at any Madison Square Garden program or any house show program before 75, let's say?

There's like nothing there.

It gives you almost nothing.

Well, there was no centralization for quite some time in terms of every town

not only had a different program, different program title, different program style, somebody different was writing it because somebody different was in charge of the local promotion of the town or whatever.

Because they were all over the page, size, method of printing, everything.

And so, you know,

it was like you got the

pick, or not the pick of the crop, but you had, you had,

it was random chance, Brian.

It was random chance is what I was thinking of there that

what you got, whether it was any good or not, or whether it was like the whoever the simpleton was that wrote the inserts for the Indianapolis programs.

You've seen those, haven't you?

Yeah.

Where they would build

the most fearsome, bloodthirsty, savage wrestler ever, Ox Baker, versus the world's most scientific, clean-cut, and clean-living wrestler, Wilbur.

It was like a babbling idiot wrote those things.

It was just all over the page.

It just depended on who the promoter said, here, do the program.

So some of them are embarrassing.

Yes, to your point.

And one last thing I'll say.

I know you are not necessarily a fan or you find it old-fashioned when they have the wrestler's name at the bottom.

It's a different era, but I am kind of a mark for those WWF classic 8x10s.

First, they were black and white, then they were color, where they all have a uniform look for like 10 years straight.

Yeah.

I kind of like that.

Well, and those weren't for sale, and those weren't for the general public, unless you met a wrestler and they gave it to you.

But I like the look of those.

Well, and see, that's the thing is, that's exactly what they were doing with them was sending them out as publicity or having guys sign them if they were doing appearances or whatever that's

that's the original intent of the

of the publicity picture what i'm saying is where the money was made in memphis was the repetition of the when you had uh

for lack of a better term the teen idol fucking

fan, you know, hooked or the rock and roll express, the fucking guys, right?

They're selling tons of these pictures.

Just make them pictures, make them different, put them in different outfits and different positions in different places.

We had, I had Lawler everywhere from in Memphis, from the Mid-South Coliseum to Memphis Comics to fucking the Pink Palace Museum to Beale Street to the goddamn airport.

I told you we were driving by the airport.

I'm in the car with him and I'm spending the day taking pictures of him.

He said, you want to get a picture of me in the cockpit of a plane?

I said,

okay.

He went in the airport.

He parked, I keep just up at the curb or whatever the fuck.

I don't remember exactly where he parked, but we walked in and I'll be goddamn if he didn't walk up to the

What was the hub there at the time?

Was it Northwest or goddamn it?

I believe it was Northwest Airlines.

It was a hub at the time in Memphis.

But he walked up to the counter and told them who he was.

And they went and got a supervisor.

And the supervisor took us to a goddamn guy at a gate who took us onto a goddamn plane.

And I've got pictures of Jerry Lawler sitting at the cockpit of like a 747.

Anyway.

Well, this has hit the ground like a 747, but yeah, boy.

Oh, now it's way too soon, no matter which one you're talking about.

see what

he said good joke speaking of those negatives some of the fruits of those labors are going to be on display on the uh on sale of my new book heroes and friends pro wrestling remembrances that's going to be available at jimcornet.com on saturday october 11th at noon eastern time

And we've been talking about it for the last several weeks.

If you now,

I've been told, go to the jimcornet.com.

There is a banner up there, which has been up for a while.

But if you click on an appropriate button on that banner, it will take you to all the written information so you can see for yourself exactly how great that we've been telling you it is.

And that goes on sale, Brian, as well

as because what have we been talking about here on the program and on my show?

one that gets bigger ratings

so much over the last few months that

actually, for the last few years, anytime we talk about New York wrestling, but especially the Jack Pfeffer files, we have referred to the history of wrestling in Madison Square Garden.

Have we not?

We have.

And where do we get all that history from?

Wrestling in the Garden, the book by Scott Teal at crowbarpress.com.

Because it's all there.

So, for the benefit of Mr.

Kite and our listeners, at least the first hundred of them, 100 copies, limited number of Wrestling at the Garden, the history of pro-wrestling in Madison Square Garden that we have talked about and quoted facts from on so many occasions will be on sale.

So you can do one-stop shopping at jimcornet.com.

If you want to get both books together and learn an amazing amount of shit in a short period of time about wrestling,

We're only getting 100 though of the garden books because we don't want to, we're not trying to go in competition with Scott.

We have worked in conjunction with Scott for this.

So

that way you don't have to go to two different places, but we encourage you to go to his site too.

Anyway, all that takes place on Saturday, October 11th, Brian, and it's going to be stunning and wonderful and marvelous at jimcornet.com.

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But you know what I got to do here today, don't you?

What's that?

I got to apologize.

I don't, you know how I am about that.

I don't have to do it very often because I'm usually never sorry about anything.

But you know, a lot of people

were

ticked off that i did not watch

the match between stephanie vakur

and

the other person she wrestled with

an eo sky i hate her so much you can't even say her name now what is i'll get to that shortly

I'll get to, I'm taking a drink.

I'll get to that short.

I'm taking a drink.

You need a drink.

And I was the first one to be ticked off of you for not watching that match.

I asked you to.

You you said, I will.

And then I asked you if you're watching it.

You're like, absolutely not.

Hold on.

Well, see, now you're jumping way ahead of me.

But nevertheless, I, so I didn't watch it.

And people got ticked off.

This is the best match of the night.

God darn it.

Oh, god, dang it.

And just vehemently.

And of course, at the end of the day,

When I took all those comments into consideration, I still didn't give a shit because I had to watch nine hours of wrestling and then one day and then turn around and talk about it for a few hours here on this program with all the other shit I had going on here around here at the time.

I just still did not regret saving my time over a basic

non-issue ladies' match, regardless of whether it's good or not.

But one of the people

that was ticked off about me not watching it brought up

that I promised you that I would watch it because I completely forgot.

No, I swear when I completely forgot what, because like you said, oh, promise me you'll watch on one of the programs.

Promise me you'll watch such and such.

Okay.

Well,

fucking five days later or whatever, I didn't retain that information.

So I would have watched it if I'd have remembered that I promised you I'd have watched it.

So I apologize to you oh great brian last

but it was an inadvertent yeah

uh

not that i again that i regretted hindsight for the

lacking the experience but i didn't mean to blow you off after i'd promised you so i feel

you don't have to apologize to me i feel like it's the listenership that you owe this big apology to maybe even eo and stephanie And what a spectacular finish it was for the record.

It was the preview, I think, we were doing.

And even in the preview, you tried to skip over it.

And I said, you got to watch this.

This will be good.

Stephanie McCruy is really good.

And you said, okay, I'll watch it.

And we don't want to.

Yeah, that left my mind pretty soon afterwards.

But I apologize there.

So don't worry.

I watched

a lot more women's wrestling than I'd have preferred to watch here in the previous seven days as a result.

I will say this briefly, and we're not going to do the review right now.

We're doing it a little bit later talking about Raw, but the opening segment on Raw

was

kind of everything you've been complaining about in terms of

the behavior, the acting.

I mean, I don't even know how you can call it acting.

It's like you took a kid and you said, for the first time ever, you're going to do something you've never done before.

The facial expressions.

EO Sky,

I think, is great in the ring.

But if you're someone looking for

anything believable,

anything that over an eight-year-old child would enjoy, but

knock him out, John.

There's no defending her acting in the segment on Raw this week, but Jim.

Yes.

As we get moving here, we do have some modern stuff to review.

I'd like to talk to you about what you saw on SmackDown.

And if you don't mind, because I kind of have a hunch you watched it because of the demand we saw.

Can we start with the main event?

Because I'm kind of dying to hear what you have to say about

the three-way match, one of the most remarkable spectacles they held me during like multiple picture-in-pictures.

Nia Jax versus Tiffany Stratton versus Jade Cargill.

Well, yes, we can start with that because that was

they went from the penthouse to the outhouse, so it's only fitting that we start in the outhouse and try to climb our way out through the hole.

Boy, howdy.

It was Jade Cargill versus our friend, the refrigerator, Nia Jax, versus Tiffy Time Tiffany Stratton.

And did I ever think that Tiffany Stratton would be the Sherry Martell of any equation she was in?

Boy, howdy.

I don't know why that they had

Jack's in green and both the other girls in red, and it wasn't the Christmas episode.

Did that because

again,

Wade looked like a tag team against the Jolly Green Giant.

She looks like a fucking cedar tree with hair

when she's wearing that.

Let's see.

Swamp thing.

Now, don't body shame swamp thing.

So they start this late in the show.

So it showed me they had confidence in it to begin with.

And they go 45 seconds, they go to the break.

When they come back, they've only got like 10 minutes on the air.

And

Nia Jax is

front of the announce desk with Jade, and they are

simulating fighting.

They're locked together, throwing punches while they're watching for Tiffy to dive, right?

And Tiffy hits the ropes, and I hope she's okay.

And again, I'm not laughing about anybody getting hurt here, but again, they were snake bet,

snake bet.

And

for the people who

say that,

well, all Cornette does is criticize AEW and says WWE is always professional.

No,

I just

don't see it as often in one place as I do in the other, but they were snakemet.

Tiffy tries to dive through the ropes, and as she's going to dive on both of them, the spot is, is that.

Jade will move out of the way while shoving the refrigerator in front of her to catch the dive, but Tiffy caught her leg on a top rope and it stopped her forward momentum and she went straight down.

And she wasn't even going to reach

Nia Jax in any way, who had to bend over and still missed her and just fell down beside her because she needed to.

And then they fought on the floor and

Jax posted Jade and beat up Tiffy and then Jade beat up Tiffy, and then Jax beat up Jade.

And they were back to break within another three minutes.

And

apparently, again, they figured, Jesus Christ, we need to we'll show the bare minimum of this.

They come back, they got six minutes on the air.

Did you see Niall Jax give the fans the double bird during the commercial break?

Even in a on a big screen, I'm not watching the fucking picture in picture over a goddamn

ad for vaginal refreshment or whatever's going on on the network.

But Tiffany and Jade double superplex.

Jax and everybody sells, and that was impressive.

And then Tiffany hit her moonsault,

but there was a save and

they're still

choreographing Jade's stuff, obviously.

And Tiffy is not,

you know, the most natural worker yet, but she's athletic.

But it's decent.

It wasn't nothing bad.

And then

Jade hit her finish on Tiffany, and Nia Jax pulls the referee out.

And Jade rolls out and clears the desk off, and she's going to try to pick up Nia Jax and slam her, give her whatever the super duper wing bat or whatever the fuck on the desk.

And

Nia gets out off of her before she gets her up and shoved her into the stairs.

And

Jade busts her head wide open.

I mean, I saw the picture on

social media after the...

fucking fact and right down through her eyebrow very close to her eye and wide and jagged.

As

people used to say, I'm going to cut you wide, deep, and repeatedly.

It was,

but at the same time, people are blame.

Well, Nia Jax crippled this and did this.

And

she shoved her, and you're taking your own bump into the goddamn stairs.

I'm not

sure how to attribute, but did she shove her?

I've watched it in slow motion.

It didn't seem like she

catapulted her with the gravity of a thousand suns,

but boom, she just went right face first into that fucking thing.

Did you see the photos, Brian?

I saw a little bit of it.

I don't really necessarily like to see good-looking women with giant cuts on their face or anything, but I saw the spot.

And

yeah, I mean, you could say anything you want about Nia Jax being sloppy, unprofessional, hurting people.

And we've seen all those examples,

but it didn't seem atypical the way she threw Jade into the stairs.

And did, did the stairs move?

Did the stairs move when she threw her into them?

Well, yeah.

Well, I was this it could have been the stairs' fault.

You moved.

That was the old deal.

Some guys.

Some guy, if a guy had been complaining about you being stiff, you'd grab him and draw back and you'd say, you moved and then punch him hard.

He had to be there.

Well, Jade kept working, even though she was bleeding and she knew she was bleeding and his blood droplets on the ground.

The referee seemed to be in a panic trying to figure out what to do.

Yes.

Well, that wouldn't be the last time.

She'd be the referee was a she trying to figure out what to do.

So Jade still, as a matter of fact,

that fires you up.

And I think this may be the first time Jade's ever been busted open like that, isn't it i certainly call another time and i do think she actually looked the best we've seen her in a while maybe ever in there i mean not to say she's ric flair or anything but i didn't think jade looked bad well no but the thing is now it

this was the same thing as michael elgin remember him Yeah, from years ago, he was a hot prospect and he was in Ring of Honor.

He and Davey Richards had a match in Florida that became one of the independent independent matches of the year.

And everybody was screaming at us because we hadn't made Michael Elgin the Ring of Honor World Champion, signed him to an exclusive contract.

He didn't actually have papers at the time to work in the country.

Another thing we were trying to get Sinclair to fucking cough up.

But nevertheless,

it was an average match until about 15 minutes in.

And Davey Richards, I believe it was, go to some kind of super plex or super move off the top rope.

And he

came within a goddamn pubic hair, as they say, of dropping Elgin off a top rope at a high rate of speed on his fucking head and almost landing on his head himself.

And it woke them both up

of nearly dying.

And they proceeded to have like the five goddamnest minutes of a wrestling match you've ever seen in your life.

People lost their shit.

And that's what made it a great match.

The same principle here happened with Jade.

She got busted open and it fucking woke her up.

Ah, she picked Nia Jax up and dropped Samoan drops her on the fucking stairs and fires up at the camera and makes the face.

Ah, now that's some goddamn

that's the storm.

That's an old promoter's thing.

Somebody got clocked and it fucking finally woke them up.

That's what I want to see out of you.

That's the aggression, right?

And

Jade rolled in and hit fucking Nia Jax with the big spinning abyss black hole/slash Big Bubba Rogers Bubba Slam.

And boom,

one, two, and right then Nia Jax kicks out.

And within one second, Tiffany is coming in with a

drop kick kind of save to make the save on the thing.

And

I saw again that Jax was supposedly quoted as saying, Well, I kicked out because Tiffany wasn't going to be there.

Did you see this or was this, has this been verified as a comment?

I didn't see the comment or anything.

I saw the spot.

I didn't see anything that anyone said after the fact.

Well, if you watch it back on video and you look down, don't look at the screen,

and you fucking hear the referee's cadence of his count.

I think she would have been there close enough for the save that by the time she had kicked that person toward the referee, that it would have broken it up.

But apparently,

the comment I saw somewhere was that Jack's kicked out because she didn't think that Tiffany was going to be there.

But then,

after she's kicked out of the thing, and Tiffany kind of kicks Jade out of the way,

then Tiffany covered Jax

and she's flat as a fucking board on the ground.

The referee counts one,

two,

and holds up without Nia Jax moving, didn't kick out, didn't move a muscle, just held.

It held up the deal before she hit the ground on the three count.

And then they looked at each other, and the people start rumbling as it goes into outright booing.

You see

Jax laying on her back, just calmly looking up, supposedly covered, but talking to the referee like

I couldn't read the lips.

I don't know what was going on there, but it's like, what the fuck?

And the referee

is obviously,

I don't know what they were going for.

If they, and well, and then there was confusion.

Tiffany got back on Nia Jax and hit her moonsault one, two, three.

So the cover, the finish was going to be Tiffany

beating goddamn

Nia.

I don't

understand.

I thought that was the finish.

It looked like it should be, except here's what I'm saying:

is if they were going for

Tiffany making a save when Jade had had her down

and then stealing the win, right?

Then it made sense.

It didn't make sense for Jax to kick out,

except that

if she thought Tiffany wasn't going to be there for the save, it would fuck it up.

But then she was still going to lay down.

But why would the referee not have counted?

Then

do you see what I'm saying?

Yeah, and we've seen this in AEW, I think, is the most recent time where it was a clear three count because the person was not kicking out or even moving.

And the referee stops and holds up two fingers and the fans start booing.

which is what happened here.

What do you think the referee should do?

Again, live show, USA Network, main event.

What should they do?

Yes, but again, I'm still trying to figure out what the finish was, and I can tell you it's easier to tell you what the referee should have done than to figure out what the fuck this was.

If that wasn't the finish,

then

what the fuck was supposed to be the fucking finish

out of that whole thing?

Because they obviously had to get go back to a moonsault that was flat and added afterwards.

So, I don't know why the referee, and again, the people are saying that, well, there wasn't heat on the referee.

Well, how could there not be?

But

ultimately, every promoter or booker that I've ever worked for, including I'm pretty sure, Vince McMahon, I'm pretty sure I've heard this come out of his mouth on several occasions,

but same thing with a Dusty or a

Watts or

Tommy Young, the greatest referee in the world.

Almost everybody

tells the referees, if the shoulders are down, count it.

It's up to the guys to kick out.

I have told guys in the past in

OVW or

it wasn't a revolutionary concept.

It just had to be reinforced sometimes.

If the shoulders are down, the referee has to count them.

It's up to the guys to kick out.

Now, there are instances where if there's some fumper for some reason, somebody else is hitting the mat doing something where it's not abundantly clear that the guy heard the referee's first two to know where the three was or what sometimes shit like that happens.

Or you've been rolled up tight on your head and your ear is squashed by some fucking green guy, and you couldn't fuck it, whatever.

And you didn't hear a count, that's why the referees always count out loud.

Also, one,

two,

that tries to minimize that.

And

otherwise, again, you know, you

the referees get hooted at if they count with a shoulder up when it is the legitimate finish.

They get hooted at by the

fans, they're the ones that have to take the heat for that when it's obvious that a shoulder is up, which is why a lot of times,

again, promoters have always taught if the shoulders aren't down, don't count it.

They need to get their, you'll see, and you've seen Brian a number of times over your fandom, the referees, hey, give them the Iggy in the ribs, shoulder, it ain't down.

They got to adjust.

But I don't,

I don't, and Jade was the one that had her goddamn brain just concussed, and she wasn't involved in this.

It was all the people that weren't bleeding.

But anyway,

also, I mean, again, all Jade had to do was

she hit her move, and then she just either had to be kicked out, drop kicked, shit can in some kind of way.

She got that accomplished.

Somewhere in the other three,

this whole thing went to shit.

but that's what the referees ought to do and are usually told to do i don't know if it's different now

but i i

i don't remember a time when anybody

in my experience in any wrestling organization from the 80s 90s 2000s or even in the end of the 2010s

where the referee could just not count when nobody fucking moves and they're not mad at the referee.

So, if the referee did what she was supposed to do, it comes back to the same thing.

It was Nia Jax's fault.

She didn't get a shoulder up.

She lost her shoulder.

She went to the corner.

She knew what part of the match it was, and it was her fault, right?

Well, but I think it was the finish, but

I don't know why they performed it so poorly.

We're having to try to figure out what the finish was, but I think Nia Jax

is trying to, I don't know what.

That's what I'm saying.

We have Nia saying, well,

I kicked out because she wasn't going to be there in time to make the save, but that then that indicates

that if Tiffy would be stealing the pin, why would the referee?

I don't know.

I'm saying that even if it wasn't the finish, ultimately the referee gets the heat because if the shoulders are down and nobody moves, you've got to count it.

But if that wasn't somehow the finish that they already had fucked up,

I don't know what was supposed to be.

So I'm doubly confused.

What was the finish supposed to be, Brian?

I think Tiffany hitting the moonsault, right?

Didn't she do that right before the end?

Yes, that's after that they had fucking looked at each other and talked back and forth and like, oh, shit, well, what the, well, here, boom, boom, I'll do this and that.

They made that up afterwards.

They didn't just jump right up and start doing shit again.

They all stood there with,

I was going to say their dicks in their hands.

That'd probably not be an apropos analogy and figured out what to do from there to continue to have Tiffy pinning

Nia Jax.

And again, Tiffany Stratton's been very good,

but she's someone who they drafted into the performance center and trained from square one.

And she was kind of the ring general in there because Nia Jax is no ring general, and Jade isn't either.

So you have someone who has

does she have the least experience of the three of them?

She may have the least experience, believe it or not, of the three of them.

Well, yes, and the Crippler, Nia the Crippler Jax, maybe I start calling her now, the fucking

from Cedar Mountain, Vermont.

She's She's been in the business for low these many years, and she's got quite a number of notches on her hospitalization belt.

I mean, I don't know if you could even go by time anymore.

You know, we're at a weird time in wrestling, AEW and WWE.

Men are doing moves to women, and no one's complaining.

It's happening.

Could a wrestler get away with calling Nia Jacks a cedar tree?

That's the big question I would like to know.

Well, I don't see because cedar trees do perform a lot of wonderful functions.

They provide oxygen into the atmosphere and they keep you from having to, all year round, having to look at your neighbor

if they grow up high enough.

Well, I don't know if anyone would be high enough to consider that a classic, but it certainly was one of the more interesting matches of the week.

Naya versus Jade versus I wrote Jade twice versus Tiffany.

And then Stephanie,

oh, Stephanie V, baby, she came out to stare at Tiffany.

And I swear to you,

I swear, I swear, Brian, with my hand in the air, that I will watch Tiffy versus Steffi

without fail, no matter where it is or when it has, what type of streaming it's going to take place.

It's going to be Crown Jewel.

I guess it'll be ESPN Zap.

I think because it's in Australia this year, not Saudi Arabia, it starts at 8 o'clock in the morning.

Oh, well, good.

Good.

I can get up and take my morning Russo and

sit down with a nice sprite zero and start my day in a fucking brand new way.

Eight o'clock in the fucking morning.

That's right.

Breakfast with WWE in Australia.

But hopefully that will be good.

Stephanie Recurr is

a very talented wrestler.

And when they were staring at each other, she was probably thinking, what was the finish?

But Jim, we'll get.

I was thinking, she's thinking, I got to step into this mess.

What the fuck?

Well, Jim, we'll get back to the mess of SmackDown and what you saw in Raw shortly.

But when it comes to what we just talked about,

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We have to return now to SmackDown, the prize and the picks.

It's all over.

It's back to SmackDown.

What else did you see worth reviewing?

Well,

we started at the end, so let's go back to the beginning because we got something,

at least this week, out of our talking say or one of our talking segments, but at least something

came off well.

Because

when you've got Paul Heyman in the ring and you got Cody Rhodes in the ring,

I won't say it's magic, but it's better than fucking watching two other people stand there and jabber at each other.

And

again,

Paul is now,

he's building the mystery as to what his relationship is with Brock Lesnar.

And, you know, wouldn't you like to know?

And people would like to know.

And so did Cody, right?

But Paul comes out.

He gets his guys over.

He does that a little smart.

What do you want to talk about?

Like Cody.

And he puts Rollins over and gets him booed.

And they chant for OTC.

And it's disrespectful to speak of the injured.

Or, how about the dog that's going to main event WrestleMania five or 10 times in a row, Braun Breaker?

Or maybe the conspiracy theories regarding Brock Lester.

Paul, really, I'm afraid he's liable to pop something, some kind of vein in his neck, because there's so much pressure on his neck already from the weight.

But he gets everybody in.

And then when they really, really pop on Brock Lesnar, he starts to continue.

Well, let me tell you, and boom, and Cody's music interrupts him and he gets the big cheers and the whoa and the Cody chants and they sing his name in a mellifluous fashion.

And then Cody says, Yeah, I want to know.

Was it just a one-time thing, a one-night stand?

Am I talking to the oracle or the wise man or the advocate?

You could almost hear Dusty saying, are you a warrior or an errand boy?

And then Paul said, of course, you know, he gives him the Smarmie Paul Heyman stuff.

And I understand why you're confronting me about Brock.

Everyone is in danger when he's here.

But he's not even here tonight, and you're still in danger.

And there's Reed and breaker in the ring

and paul steps out of course before you know i'm

the only thing is i'm afraid he's going to tip the ring over when he steps out on these angles

have you ever wondered if that could happen if there's only two or three guys in the ring when he steps on the apron shouldn't it tip up on one side

i've not wondered if that would happen no

well anyway Cody then cuts a promo on them and it was good.

He tells them how Paul double talks people.

He's going to tell you you're the future and you.

And Cody, that he name-dropped all the great bookers, his dad and Watts, and it said, Dusty, etc.,

and said he always knew why they were doing something.

But this one over here,

nobody's figured him out yet.

Who is he loyal to?

Well, it ain't you.

And then Braunbreaker rips his shirt off and Cody Cody said, Well, hell, and he takes his jacket off.

And the crowd is up.

They're going, Yes, fight, fight.

And Cody says, This may be a bad decision on my part, but what the hell?

And he jumps them and he's looking good.

And then they stop him and they get a little heat.

And then Orton's music plays and he hits the ring.

And he hits an RKO on Bronson.

And Cody clotheslines Braun Breaker over the top rope.

And Paul gets his shocked face on.

And we got something.

We got something out of our 15 or 20-minute talking segment, Brian.

This is cause for celebration.

15 or 20 minutes.

There was also a little thing at the end, too, when Randy Orton picked up the belt and looked at it.

That's all it takes to tease the future.

We've always thought at some point Randy has to turn on Cody.

And it makes a whole lot of sense to have them get closer, or at least involved in something together, before that happens.

But he gave the little look, the little, you know, I'd still like to have this.

You know, next to the Monday night segment, this was like the godfather.

I mean, this was all right.

You're talking about 20-minute segments that don't necessarily go someplace.

Yes.

There are other examples within this week, but I think this is good.

Cody interacting with Heyman brings out the best in Cody.

Cody ripping off his jacket and fighting brings out the best in Cody.

Yeah, he's got the passion.

That's what I think, despite some of the bad decisions they've made in his booking, has kept him where he is, is he's got that passion when he opens up.

And I think they've done a good job, other than the stupid name of the vision, which I just don't like.

I don't think it's good.

They've done a really good job of establishing Bronson and Braun.

They're now wearing matching leather jackets.

They're with Heyman more than Rollins, who I think you've said it doesn't really need him.

Yeah, I like this.

Good opening segment.

Well, then they gave us the street profits and Carmelo Hayes and the Miz.

Remember when Carmelo Hayes was the number three draft pick?

And I said, you've got to be out of your mind.

And

I wasn't the one out of my mind, was I?

And then we got Julia and Kiana James against Mia Yim and Kay Fabe.

But Mia, Yim, and Kayfabe.

Who's Mia Yim's partner?

Kayfabe.

But who was it?

That's what I'm saying.

Third base.

Oh, B Fab.

I'm sorry.

Kay Fabe, B Fab.

I couldn't figure out.

I couldn't figure it out.

One of those things.

But nevertheless, then by nine o'clock, we got another talking segment.

But this time, I'm not going to go through this whole thing.

I love Drew McIntyre.

He does a

great,

he's the modern day Bret Hart.

He complains about everything.

So, because that was when Brett's

promos got to the next level in what, 97, when he actually had legitimate shit to complain about, whether it's complaining about Michaels or complaining about getting screwed or complaining about the United States treating people in Canada, whatever the fuck.

That's when it got good.

Drew McIntyre is brilliant as long as he keeps whining and complaining.

But they then

brought out Jacob Fatu, who has been missing for a few weeks or whatever the fuck,

but he's not working with Solo and the motherfucking Tongans anymore.

Thank God.

I thought, do you think they just, has he been hurt or they just said, you know what, let's just stop this shit, give him a couple weeks off, and then let him interact with another human being, not of his own clan.

I hope it's that.

I hope this isn't some way to get him back into a feud with Solo and the gang.

At least it's something new, and it is an intriguing match.

Yes, and it's what both guys can benefit from

because

Jacob's problem, and he came out and he and he took the the part immediately of shut your ass up and stop bitching and telling Drew that he cries, he complains, he blames, sit your peg leg ass down, all that shit.

And the people were chanting fatu, fatu.

And then when they kept snatching a microphone away from each other, also, which I thought was good, instead of standing there with both of them, with one in each hand.

just responding to each other.

They would interrupt each other.

And then finally, Drew head-butted him, Sucker head-butted him, but Jacob super kicked him and pulled Drew's non-WWE medically approved walking boot off and hit him over the head with it, knocked him out.

Jacob working with Solo, or

it was like watching Jacob work with a great value version of Jacob.

They had the same style, same build, same

approach.

It was boring.

And Solo's promos

were not really captivating either.

With Drew, he's one of the best talkers in the company.

And also, he's tremendously athletic,

but he has a completely different style than Jacob Fatu does, but I think it will mesh well.

And Jacob can't do long soliloquy promos,

but he's perfect in short bursts, shut your ass up.

I would tell you off, and it were a fight.

And he needs a guy that can sell as animatedly as Drew for his big shit, but still is big enough to get him down and, as a babyface, get sympathy on him.

So, this I'm looking forward to.

Yes.

All right.

Anything else from SmackDown?

Well, you know, there was, brother, to quote Gary Hart.

Where has he been all my life?

Javon Evans.

I know where he's been.

He's been at NXT.

We saw Javon Evans.

Why did we watch NXT?

What happened that made us watch it?

Well, I've seen him a little more than you.

It may have been when NXT debuted on CW.

We watched it for like the first two weeks or something.

There you go.

And I know people on, again, again online oh cornetta love or not cornetta love but pete we love javon evans what will cornet say and i haven't you know i remember saying well he's painfully thin

and he's still painfully thin

but if they've had him in the program

And you know, since then, I don't know how long he's been there at the start, but he's evidently a quick learner.

Part of it benefited that he was with Sami Zayn and Sammy can work.

We've always said that.

But he had a tremendous performance.

And

I know you say, well, it helped.

It was in Orlando because that's where NXT is, but NXT draws, what, 200 people?

And there were 10,000 in Orlando, and they were all going crazy for the guy.

So it can't just all be NXT.

friends and family, can it?

It can't.

I think he is someone who connects with the crowd, though.

And some people knew who he was.

And I think he won over other people by having a competitive match where

at times it looked like he may.

And you could even think about it and go, well, this could be a way to make somebody.

But it looked like at a couple points he may win.

Yeah.

And again, they had a good match in terms of building the new guy.

And

you see that they try to do it in AEW,

but they just think that a regular match where they do all their regular shit, but longer is the way to get a new guy over.

This guy's answering the U.S.

title challenge that Sammy's got out.

Even though they bill him at 190 pounds and bless him for that, he could use a Cheerio for a hula hoop.

At least they're trying to bring some fucking credibility into it.

I I don't think he can weigh 190, but he can work.

The difference here is they're not just doing moves.

Technically, he was fine.

He was there for everything.

He didn't fuck up anything or botch anything, the timing, reactions.

He had facials.

His shit was sharp, but it was safe.

He took great bumps, but he's got the

leaping ability.

He didn't rush.

He's a bean pole with all the potential in the world.

And it's a babyface match.

And that's how Sammy got a little babyface heat during the break.

But the whole thing was built to feature him,

as I said before, rather than just having a long regular match.

Evans hit a big dive on Sammy, 10 feet out from the ring, from inside the ring, over the top rope.

And Sammy was down the aisle

and a spinning kick and got a two count.

And then they did some more shit.

And then,

again, Evans foiled Sammy and hit a Hurricane Ron off the top rope and got a two count.

The people are chanting, this is awesome.

This kid is foiling what Sammy's trying to do more and more.

They've built it at first to where Sammy had control, but then they let him break out.

And then

they did a back and forth.

And you thought, there's Sammy's going to hit him with the kick, but he missed the kick.

And fucking Evans hit the biggest Cody cutter ever,

like 10 feet above the top rope for a two count.

And the people started chanting, ref you suck.

They wanted him to beat Sammy, but they were going crazy.

And then Evans missed off the top rope and rolled up to come back, but into a kick.

And then the blue Thunderbomb one, two, three.

Sammy won by the skin of his teeth against this guy because he underestimated him.

They built the story perfectly.

They didn't do

a million high-risk things.

They did the ones that mattered.

They didn't use any furniture.

They didn't bury the referee.

Nobody looked like he almost broke his fucking neck and was paralyzed, but the crowd went apeshit.

And

obviously, you still need to

tune this guy a little bit.

I wouldn't do

the Cody cutter, no matter whether you call it a different name or not,

10 times higher and 10 times better than Cody is actually going to be ever be physically able to do it.

But he can do so many things.

You hit the things,

feature the things that he can do that nobody else can, and don't let anybody else do that.

This is a guy

that, if I had him on the roster, then I would just say, okay,

nobody else will dive out of the ring over the top rope on anybody

because this guy is the best, and the rest of it's just blah.

And that gets this guy over, or that nobody else is going to do the

quadruple backflip, whatever the fuck this guy's shit is, because he's not just a trained circus chimp doing fucking moves.

He's doing like

I can walk up here and balance myself and backflip off the top rope.

But the other guy's got a weight on me, and it doesn't look like I've got, I'm mad about anything.

I've got a blank look on my face.

I'm executing shit that I've memorized.

There's none of that.

He's got oomph to him.

So, this is the guy that you then say, okay, this is going to be what gets him over and makes his size more palatable by giving him another superhero feature that nobody else has.

And that's how you make something like that special.

But

it'll still stand out, but in a company where everybody

is doing a variety of diving of things, it's not going to be as big of a fucking deal.

But I like this kid.

He's got it mentally apparently

so

bravo oh wow that's the highest uh thing you can get here on the show the applause from you i clapped four times i believe he's young i want to say 22 years old or something

and i've watched him in nxt the fans have really gotten into him and he's good he's skinny but you know David von Erich was skinny at the very beginning and he never filled out much from that point forward.

Oh, god damn it.

no wait a minute now put a picture of kevin standing next to this guy and i'm but here's the thing

i don't i hope he doesn't gain too much weight but he needs to gain some

if he could maybe

in the appropriate ways and kind of gradually all over his body he could put on 20 or 25 pounds maximum

then maybe that but if you if he gets too much heavier okay dr zahorian

well if you could just put on some

well no but if he gets too much heavier he he won't be able to do the stuff that he is you that is unique to him

and or you know might accentuate the possibility of injury but i'd like to see him just for the sake of being able to

knock something down even flying at them i'd like to see another 20 pounds maybe or whatever all all

distributed around

in general but also specifically about this, what do you think of just the idea of bringing up someone who,

for lack of a better term, is a top prospect in your company.

He's young.

People have started to notice that just about all of WWE's top guys right now are aging out or about to.

They're getting older.

You know, Braun Breaker is a breath of fresh air.

He's younger.

So you have someone who,

unless he's a head case,

you could build on for the future, potentially

what's the benefit of

you know i mean i guess the the question's about just the idea you bring people up now and you beat them sure they have long competitive matches and this isn't the first time we've seen this with someone they have a long competitive match but they lose

again we don't know what the plans are for him if it's to go back down or to stay up here but what do you think of him losing versus him winning in a situation like this especially with the fans reacting the way they did

yeah and see see, that's why they are a little bit smarter over here and do things a little bit better so the people take them appropriately.

This was a babyface match.

The people like Sammy,

but they got behind the underdog.

It gives a different, and then Sammy builds the whole match to feature.

the guy's big moves and to create the doubt where it looks like he's going to win.

It looks like he's going to win.

He doesn't even need to win at that point because, especially then, well, he needs to be the U.S.

champion from now on.

But that's the kind of example of coming that close and just coming up short helps a guy.

It wasn't that they brought this young babyface in,

had him work with a heel, and after 25 or 30 minutes, the heel just beat him,

and then you don't see him again.

This is a way to

show the guy's talent, but he's going to still not just debut at the number three draft pick at the top of the charts.

But I would assume we'll be seeing more of him.

It's just that it makes sense.

It's more logical to feature a guy,

especially in a babyface match where wrestling is the key and there's no harm in losing to Sammy because he's the experienced veteran, et cetera.

But you can't,

that's, you, you also, you can build around Javon for the future because he's 22 years old.

But this incarnation of Javon Evans will not ever be the guy like Braun Breaker.

We know that

because,

yes, he can, he can be the next Sami Zayn.

Every bit as big as that.

Maybe even bigger.

Maybe the next Rey Mysterio.

He's going to be popular as a babyface with that level of athletic ability and that level of underdog charisma that he showed.

But at the same time, who's not to say that a 32-year-old Javon Evans,

who may or may not have hurt his knees by then,

might have

slowed down and stayed a little bit more on the ground and put another 30 pounds on and is really jacked up and becomes the next goddamn

you know sean michaels or bret hart

right now we don't know because he is so young

but he's already

to me ready for a upper mid-card position as a really exciting underdog babyface that can hang out around there for a couple of years and get better

and then we see what happens to him

but he's got all the time in the world Well, again, high compliments from you.

And maybe at some point in the next few weeks, we should revisit NXT, see who's currently down there on the farm.

Oh, goddamn it.

See who's down on the farm.

And, you know, just see what the future could be.

Every time that I say something nice about somebody, it comes back to bite me in the ass.

I'll make this easy for you.

I will say that you should not watch any of the women's segments.

Only the men's segments of NXT.

We'll discuss that that during the next

show conference with the Arcadian Vanguard board.

Was that the end of SmackDown?

It was as far as I was concerned.

Yeah, we talked about

the main event fiasco,

the main event massacre.

Blood was spilled.

We talked about that at the start.

Well, Jim, before we get to WWE Raw, I got an email that just came in from WWE.

John Cena's final match ever VIP packages on sale now.

Oh boy.

I have not purchased a WWE ticket since 1995, so I don't know why they're sending this to me, but I got it.

Let me click this.

Well,

you're a media mogul.

They're probably wanting you to spread the word like you're doing now.

In the email is a picture of John Cena.

It says, the last time is now, December 13th, Capitol One Arena, Washington, D.C.

Witness history with priority pass access.

For the final time ever, the legendary John Cena will step into the ring.

With Priority Pass VIP Access, you'll secure premium seating and exclusive WWE experiences to make this once-in-a-lifetime farewell unforgettable.

Secure your spot.

Secure your spot now only with on location, the official hospitality provider of WWE.

And this is like a lock in my package.

Here's what we can get.

We can get the gold package.

There are two packages offered here.

The gold package, which is ticket and priority pass,

December 13th, 2025.

Lower or upper level seating.

Access to Johnson.

Well, wait a minute, that's kind of a wide range, isn't it?

You're either in the lower level or you're in the upper level.

Yeah, that is a little weird.

The lower slash upper level seat.

How many levels is there in the goddamn building?

You either have to be in a lower one or an upper one.

What are the, you're in the horizontal section?

What you're out in a parking lot?

Where else is there?

It doesn't specify if it's the mezzanine or not, but

what about the loge?

Loge reserved, possibly.

You get access to John Cena memorabilia display.

Wait a minute.

You get to look at his shit.

You get, and I don't know exactly what this is.

It just says John Cena gifting.

I don't, do you give him a gift?

Or is he as John Cena?

Yes, you're allowed to.

You come up.

It has to be wrapped in a certain way.

He wants like his yellow color with his blue.

And you come up and you genuck before him.

You go down to one knee and you place the gift at his feet and then exit to the right.

You're allowed to special John Cena gifting.

Also, an all-inclusive pre-show hospitality with appearances by John Cena

and WWE Superstars.

Also, a dedicated priority pass entrance, WWE Credential, and Lanyard.

And professional.

Wait, but does doesn't that kind of make the rest of the boys look like the pips?

John Cena and the WWE Superstars.

Are they going to troop the whole crew in there?

You're going to get fucking Tazawa.

Well, you also get professional on-location on-site support staff.

$900 a ticket.

Jesus Christ.

That's the first package.

So, wait, hold on a second now.

Going back through that,

what do they actually give you that would cost any money?

They're selling you a ticket.

And above that, what would cost them any money whatsoever to do?

To let you look at things and show you people.

And

see, I think the value would have come if they actually had free parking, but it doesn't say that here.

You get a ticket to the upper or lower level.

You get access to a memorabilia display, which what does that mean?

You could take a picture in front of a wall of pictures?

Like, what does that mean exactly?

John Cena gifting is still ambiguous.

Is there anything on here that says what that is?

Nothing says what John Cena gifting is.

Hospitality with appearances.

So I guess a meet and greet.

I mean, that costs money.

Hospitality, maybe, you know,

but it doesn't cost them any money.

These people are already there.

They're being paid to be there.

The superstars.

Oh, go out and meet these fucking suckers.

Credential and Lanyard.

Oh,

okay.

I'm sorry.

50 cents down at Kinko's.

Well, that's the gold package.

You know, not everyone can afford ringside.

Jim, the champion package.

Uh-oh.

Ticket and priority pass, December 13th, 2025.

You get premium floor seating.

Premium floor seating.

So no upper bowl.

Also, a photo op with John Cena.

So you actually get to get your photo with him.

Here's another thing.

Is that with your phone?

Or do they have a professional photographer there that will give you your digital photo printed?

I'm guessing it's your phone, but I don't know.

So again, what do they get in this?

John Cena gifting, also available here, whatever the hell that means.

All-inclusive pre-show hospitality.

Give the gift of John Cena all year round.

Once again, the all-inclusive pre-show hospitality with appearances by John Cena and WWE superstars.

The other people get to go to that too.

Is that where the photo op is?

Do the other people just get to watch all the other fans get photos of John Cena?

No, wait.

If they did, it would be mentioned in their package.

Watch others have photo taken with John Cena.

You also get a ringside photo op.

Talk about things they weren't selling at the gimmick table back then versus now.

You never thought about the idea, hey, give us some money.

We'll just let you go to ringside and take a picture next to the ring.

But that's what they're doing.

Also, premium reserved seating.

at six feet under with the Undertaker,

where you get to watch the undertaker and his wife have coffee time.

Also, access to the John Cena memorabilia display, a credential and lanyard and professional on location, on-site support staff,

six thousand five hundred dollars a ticket.

Jesus Christ,

that was that escalated quickly:

$900 to $6,500.

Is there an and they're blind emailing people?

Because again, I don't buy WWE tickets and somehow they sent this to me.

They sent this to me on location, sent this to me.

I would assume, actually.

There would have to be some kind of on-location

private meet and greet at the fucking bunny ranch.

for $6,500 for fucking me to be interested in

purchasing that ticket.

Here's the form at the bottom of the page here on the website first name last name the usual stuff will you be purchasing on behalf of yourself or your company and you have to mark myself or my company yes if someone's using company funds hey let's all get together instead of going to club getaway let's go to spend all of our money at wwe

and there it is two packages offered

You know, again, we're talking about the changing times and catching up.

Imagine gimmick sales like what they had in in Memphis now with how much money wrestling fans will spend.

Now, you talk about marking up eight by tens.

Imagine what you could do with that now.

But no,

no, you couldn't.

Not the same way because

they're only in Memphis once a year.

I've only got access to 10,000 people one time a year to buy these pictures instead of 7,000 or 8,000 people 52 times a year.

There's no wonder they need to charge $6,500.

They've got a fucking tenth of the amount of people.

But that,

again, that's insane.

Who, that's per ticket per person.

And we were just talking about a business model where multitudes of people regularly every week or every two weeks or every month paid four or five or six dollars for their ticket or a dollar for their picture or two dollars for their magazine but they did it week after week month after month year after year some decade after decade

whereas now they get 6500 from a guy to basically tell his wife or his kids or whatever yeah i'm gonna

go spend uh

little

dipshits used car money for his first car on a one fucking wrestling ticket.

Huh.

Well, there it is.

I mean the other thing you worry about, and they haven't had this problem.

They've been really lucky, but

in the past, I saw it with baseball.

You know, we're talking 25 years ago, it really started getting bad, 30 years ago, where

ticket prices went up and tickets were sold.

But instead of having

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companies.

Sony used to have, I used to sit in the Sony seats right behind home plate.

No one was making any noise because a lot of them didn't care about baseball.

It was company tickets from this company, from that company.

So you get a lot of people who they'll attend the thing, but they don't make noise.

But again, WWE has not really had that problem.

I don't know about the little corner where Nick Khan sits.

with the VI.

No,

the fans make plenty of fucking noise.

I wish they'd shut up sometimes.

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Oh, Jim, you know what that means?

That, of course, means there's still more WWE to talk about here.

I thought it was a river boat.

Why don't we...

A riverboat?

What river?

The river of no return.

Well, let's go back to the state of Euphoria, wherever we are over here.

WWE Raw aired last night as we are recording.

Boy, howdy, it sure did.

I still try to watch it live because I find that I'll watch more of it live than if I have to go and fast-forward through it or whatever on DBR.

And I keep forgetting they have a new start time, so I keep tuning in at eight o'clock.

And then at 9:30, when it ends, I'm like, What happened?

So I got to remember it's seven o'clock now.

Yes, well, tape a note to your computer screen where you do all your big business.

Remember to watch Raw because you don't want to miss an acting experience, a theater in the round type of emoting.

Like we have never seen folks, it was like that the actor studio

met the Stanislavski method, and there was Betty Davis,

and oh, those Betty Davis eyes.

This was the single

cringiest, phoniest, fakest, most childish what the fuck

that I have ever seen.

On

this was not even

routine AEW stuff.

This took it to a whole new level.

And you alluded to it earlier in the program, Brian, when we were talking about it, but now the time is here.

Can you in any way defend

the performances of E.O.

Sky, Carrie Sane, and Oscar the Grouch

that we saw poor Rhea Ripley mired into on Raw?

Poor Rhea Ripley.

Come on.

She comes out again, looks like a movie star.

She talks like a goddamn

movie star.

She wrestles like a movie star.

She's the most overwoman on the roster.

And she comes out and she has to

interact with this group of,

I can't even, amateur thespians would be

a compliment to what this was.

It's also, you cannot tell me that it is not a racial

slap in somebody's face to make these women act like they are acting or act as stupid as they are acting.

And

it made it for phony wrestling.

So, if anybody's what, are they trying to cool Rhea Ripley off on purpose?

Because I have anointed her

as the next female action star in the movie business, that she's too big for all of this, that she needs to go on to Hollywood, and now they're trying to cool her off by making her swim around in this

pool of amateurs.

Go ahead and defend any of this, the EOs and the Carries, and the

well, I didn't think I was going to defend any of it, but based on what you said, there is a little bit I'll defend.

Let me just say with Rhea, maybe she is going to the movies, not in a bad way, like some others we we've seen, but she's noticeably dropped a lot of weight.

And

again, usually when people do that, they're going to auditions to try to get a role or something.

So it makes me wonder if that's what's going on there.

The

critiques you just had in this segment of Asuka and Kairi saying, I don't think,

are necessary.

Because I didn't think they were the problem here.

I thought one person was the problem here.

Well,

I think he had a hand in it.

E.O.

Skye was embarrassing in this segment.

And the facial reactions from the moment she walked out,

I remember thinking, oh, I've never seen her walk out and not do like that weird, you know, dip, that little dance that she does that kind of, I think, was one of the things that originally, from the moment she came out, turned you off to her.

Just like, what is this shit?

She didn't do that.

She walks out there regular.

But when you get to her face, she's making almost like

childish facial expressions to attempt to illustrate that she's upset, but it was so unbelievable.

Lee Strasberg said no.

It was just so unbelievable.

It was a frozen, crying face with no tears.

It was really bad.

Again, I didn't have a problem with Asuka and Kyrie Sane.

They were the heels who ran in there and caused a bunch of damage.

But hold on, hold on.

An amazing elbow drop from Kairi Sane.

I just thought EO Sky, this may have gone a little long, but I thought E.O.

Skye.

I thought EO Sky was specifically, and I've defended her and I defend her in-ring work to you,

but this was really embarrassingly bad, I thought.

Rhea Ripley comes out there and she's mad at Carrie and Oscar for what they did to EO.

And they've missed at her also.

Oscar has.

And

out, she calls them out, and out come the Kabuki Warriors, but instead, EO came out, as you said, with the

the it's it's a frozen crying face with no tears.

Like that's if she just scrinches up real hard that people will think that she's crying and upset.

And it breaks her heart to say it.

But Ria, you were right

about Asuka and Carrie, but they're my family and I still love them.

And the crowd boos that.

And again, why is she being presented,

made to talk, allowed to talk like this, like she's eight years old and a mental simpleton?

And then Oscar and Carrie pop up on the screen with subtitles.

And Oscar's talking,

part of it's English, part of it's Japanese, but there's subtitles.

While she is cutting the promo that, well,

you know, what you call call it, EO can apologize,

and then both you and Carrie can be my students again.

And Carrie is next to her, nodding and smiling like she's doing a hostage video, like she's scared of this woman.

And just please do what she says, EO, and then you can come home and I won't have to act like I'm crying, also.

Why is she eight years old?

We can be family again.

What the

this all this material is this for

take your daughter to work day what is this for

and then they said but for ria it's too late and i'm like ria looks like she could kick the shit out of all three of you people

but then

eo again was looking like she was gonna throw up

to try to register the the upset that she has over these horrible threats, you won't be able to be our family anymore on the wrestling show.

And Rhea tells Asuka to go to hell and says, EO, you have to trust me.

You can't go back to them.

And then EO makes another scrunch face and no tears.

Just,

and EO says, I'm sorry, Ria.

And she screams, I need time.

And she leaves the ring to faint murmurs murmurs from the crowd who is fed up with this fucking idiot

why the fuck would you want to go back with these paid this oh it's so childish and rhea having to

reason with this girl like she's giving advice to her young niece

they're all presented like they're simpletons

and then

Oscar and Carrie jump in the ring and jump on Rhea and start beating the shit out of her.

And Eo turns around.

And it looked like that she was either to try to act like she was conflicted as to what to do, whether to make the save or not.

She was Bruce Banner turning into the Hulk or she was trying to shit a porcupine.

I'm not sure which.

Can you deny that either of those descriptions, Brian?

Again, I don't think you are being unfair about EO Sky's performance in this.

I thought it was embarrassing.

So then finally she says oh hell i'll go on in there and she went in and threw asuka and carrie overacted

and eo made weird faces and stagey waving arm motions and screeched and then

asuka sprayed eo in the eye in the ios

and then i sprayed eo in the ios

And then Rhea tackled Asuka, but Carrie jumped Rhea and Rhea beat up Carrie, but went to give her the riptide.

And then

continuing in the streak of women's matches on the WWE program, containing the

botches,

Rhea's going to give what you call it, the riptide.

And Asuka comes from behind with a roundhouse kick.

that was supposed to hit Rhea in the head, but that completely missed her, wasn't even close.

And

everybody saw it.

And then Rhea was like, flinched, like, oh,

I didn't feel anything, but I was supposed to sell it and just kind of let go of the hold.

And the crowd went, oh,

and then they posted Rhea Ripley twice, gave her two back fists and an elbow off the top rope.

So the only legitimate

professional

in the ring of this band of merry misfits that either botched physically or verbally or

fucking performance-wise, thespianly

was the one that was left laying in the middle of the ring, and everybody beat her up.

Jesus Christ,

yeah, this seemed a bit convoluted, yeah.

On top of the bad acting, it went a while,

and uh, yeah, I don't think anything negative you say about EO Sky's performance of this is is unfair.

She was terrible here.

What?

But

who's approving these things?

Who are the are there no prisons, no workhouses?

Who's the producers?

And who's the

head?

Well, I mean,

who's encouraging this?

As Dusty said one time, who's the head, you bangy?

The fuck?

Well, Raw's off to a great start.

What else did you see on Raw, Jim?

Well, Rusev wrestled Dominic Mysterio, and Dominic beat him with a ball kick and a tight pull.

And Bailey wrestled Raquel,

and

Lyric ran in, and they fought, and LA Knight beat Kofi Kingston, and none of this was grabbing my

grabbing my lever or tickling my taint.

About an hour and a half into the match, here comes Seth Rollins.

And I say, okay, well, we're back in the main event scene.

See what's going to go on here.

And bruh,

they sang whoa forever.

And then they chanted CM Punk.

And then they chanted OTC.

And then they sang Cody, Cody Rhodes.

And I was screaming, let him talk.

His entrance started.

And five minutes later, Seth Franklin Rollins said his first word.

Well, he milks it too.

At some point, he could just say, he could stop them.

He could say, I'm a heel.

Let me stop these fans having a great time.

You know what would really, what would really stop him, what would get him started is that they'd stop on their own and say, okay, motherfucker, we bought a ticket to see you, not sing to you.

You do something for us.

Actually, I think some of those fans may have bought a ticket so they could sing to him as opposed to actually care about what he's going to do.

That's where we are.

I understand getting milking crowds and getting reactions.

We taught that at wrestling school.

That's as old as the hills.

The problem is, they've never before in history have we had crowds where they're just happy to just sit there and sing and chant names

instead of actually getting to the point of any fucking thing.

Anyway, it's one-on-one

at Crown Jewel, which is not in Saudi Arabia.

It's in Australia.

Wallaby darned.

It's in Australia.

And the winner is not only the Crown Jewel champ, but according to Seth, the winner will decide the

direction of the industry for the next 10 or 20 years.

What kind of math is he doing?

He knows how old he is.

He's going to be doing this till he's like 50 fucking seven or what?

What's happening here?

Yeah, I don't know.

Anyway, I don't know if that makes too much sense.

Last year, Cody beat Gunther at a crown jewel.

Where is Gunther?

He's, I guess, taking time off.

When was the last time we saw him?

Was it SummerSlam?

Son of a bitch.

I'd like to get if Brock's going to be around, maybe we'll get that out of the thing.

That would be just swell.

But anyway,

Seth talked for five minutes.

I don't know.

Hold a gun to me.

I don't know what the fuck he said.

It just, it was, he's getting, he's talking to people.

And then Cody's music played and his entrance and his chance.

And they sang Cody Rhodes again.

And it was about three minutes from the time the music started until he got in the ring and actually spoke a word.

And then he wants to know who's in control, Seth or Heyman, that thing.

And that's good.

That

story is fine.

I think it could be told in much less time.

And Seth is saying that everything goes through him, all the decisions, but he's touchy about it.

And they proceeded to go back and forth for about another five or six minutes.

And then Seth left.

And this whole thing was 20 minutes for them to come out,

be serenaded, talk to each other, and leave without

any revelations or

revolution

yeah this is a big long ball of nothing

took forever went nowhere they're doing the match it's just weird how they're doing a lot of these things it seems like they just these things just pop up and then there's a big event or a pay-per-view or Saturday's main event right around the corner it's almost like a weekly wrestling promotion promoting weekly events but It's just one big central event, but they're coming so fast and frequent now.

The builds seem off.

And I'm sure it'll be a good match, but it just feels like they're rushing into it.

They had a period of time there.

And remember, we talked about it where they had, oh, they could do this match and that match, the other match.

They go so many different directions.

Now they're doing all those matches, but they're kind of coming.

It's been a while since some of them were called for.

But they got to do something.

to make, you know, because

fuck, they're just a poor sports entertainment company trying to make a living in this brave new world.

They're hurting for money.

They need to make 50 or 100 million dollars every time the sun rises, or elsewhere they'll be out of business.

Anyway, there was one more thing that I saw on this program,

Brian, which was the main event, the tornado match with the Usos and the bronze reed and breaker,

where it's all four guys in the ring is legal, no disqualification, et cetera, et cetera.

And I didn't,

I'm loving Braun Breaker and Bronson Reed as a tag team.

And that's what we've needed is two guys together that are both at the main event level to be in team matches so that it means something.

And I get that the Usos are by virtue of that they were tag team champions for so long and they

built up how they were allegedly allegedly the greatest team of all time because of that etc

i can't look forward to bronson reed and braun breaker wrestling if they're wrestling the usos

because as over and popular as the usos are

brian they're the shits aren't they

as as a as an actual wrestling tag team aren't they kind of the shits

they're not my favorite

not a big fan of the way they work

and and again it's two of them doing the same thing.

It's sort of like when one of the Samoans wrestles, the other one of the Samoans.

Now we got two guys on one side doing the same.

Anyhow,

Braun Breaker for a break spot.

I see what they did there.

The breaker spot

came off the railing of 10 feet to the announce desk and clotheslined Jimmy and just knocked him ass over tea kettle.

And he was out.

So then the the next segment they come back and they're getting heat on Jay,

but it's two-on-one, two heels and one babyface.

And it was long,

but that's

here's the problem.

The way that you do this angle where they've taken one partner out,

and the heels get heat

by

being two-on-one with one guy sidelined

is when it's a regular tag team match when the heels are tagging in and out, but the freshman can always come in so that the babyface can't capitalize on his little underneath flurry because the guy tags out and boom.

And the heat comes from their taking advantage of the numbers instead of breaking the rules.

Well, here there are no rules,

and it's just two heels beating up one babyface, And the referee has to stand there and look at it.

But finally, they're going to splash Jay, and Jimmy came back and made a comeback.

And even with his ribs hurt, boom, boom, boom, he was able to do some shit until Bronson Reed hit a Death Valley driver and Braun Breaker speared Jay.

And they stacked him up.

We're going to go to splash him.

And Roman's music plays.

And here comes Roman out carrying a chair.

And he gets a big pop.

But Brian, did you notice there's the Usos laying there unconscious in the ring when his music starts playing?

The camera goes to the entranceway.

Here comes Roman Reigns.

By the time he gets the ring, the Usos have disappeared.

They're not in the ring.

They're not even visible on the floor anywhere.

They're hiding somewhere.

Did you notice that?

Bloodline magic.

So

he shit cans Breaker.

He hits Brunson Reed five times with a chair.

Then he beats up Braun,

rolled him back in the ring, and the Usos double teamed him.

Double, super kick, super kick, and double splash and beat Braun Breaker one, two, three.

So the baby faces.

The odds were even.

It was two on two,

but they needed help from the third guy to even things out.

And then Roman Reigns beat Braun Breaker up five times more with the chair.

And

bug it off they went.

And Roman and Jimmy shook and hugged, and Pemp talked, and all that stuff.

And Jay was in the middle of the camera shot being left out of

the little confab there.

Was this constructed oddly to where in the summation of things,

when it was two against two, the babyfaces couldn't handle things, but when the third guy came out with a chair,

well, that helped them win.

Well, the other thing, too, is this whole episode almost felt like Vince was in charge.

Everything was drawn out so much.

Like, especially here at the end, took forever for everything to go down, took forever for Roman to walk out, walk out.

Took forever for him to get his beating in.

Him and Jay were just standing there holding each other for quite a little while.

Again,

it feels like it's a cooling down in a lot of ways, even though there's a lot of star power and a lot of tickets being sold, but not a lot is happening.

Not a lot seems to

not having booking logic isn't just a Tony Khan issue at times.

And it may not be as egregious, and things may not be as...

chaotic and con-like as they are in AEW, but it doesn't mean everything in WWE is done the right way or makes the right sense or makes any sense.

Sometimes they do confuse me too over here.

But

the bronze are getting over it.

Boy, it takes three of the top Samoans to kick their ass.

So fuck, watch out for these two guys.

That's what I've got to say.

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And as much as the likes of which they've never seen before.

I've got a few things here by popular demand we kind of have to get to.

Jim, we have Dave Meltzer's star ratings for a couple recent events.

Ah, Christ.

I think this first one may be brief, but here are the Dave Meltzer star ratings as seen in the Wrestling Observer newsletter for WWE WrestlePalooza.

Brock Lesnar beat John Cena 8 minutes, 49 seconds, two-star match.

Oh, come on.

At this point,

yes, it left something to be desired as far as

when we got to the finish.

You're like, well, that was something.

It was a little flat, but it's still John Cena.

It's Brock Lesnar.

The people were in it, and all the shit that they did was just fine.

They just didn't do much.

So are we really going to give the flying Zamboni brothers on the tightrope five stars and give Cena and Lesnar two?

Well, Jim Braunbreaker and Bronson Reed defeated the Usos with LA Night as a special referee.

16 minutes, 50 seconds, three and a quarter stars.

See,

I've just got finished here a few minutes ago saying how much I like Reed and Breaker, and the Usos are over.

Their Their in-ring work is

bleh, in my opinion.

But I don't see how, given those conditions, you can give that match three and a half stars just because it had a finish he liked better than John Cena and Brock Lester getting two stars with a rotten finish.

Well, Jim, the big controversial match for you.

Let me ask you this:

now, if this was America's Got Talent or American Idol,

do we give extra points to the singers if they just sing loud and a lot?

Or

is it, can they just sing real good for a short period of time or that doesn't work?

Well, I get the point you're making, but Jim, the match people were talking about Stephanie Vaquer versus Io Skye.

Stephanie Vaquer won 19 minutes, 42 seconds to win the world's women's title.

World women's title, not multiple worlds.

World women's title.

How many worlds have collided here?

What world are you in right now?

Four and a quarter stars.

All right.

You don't need to rub it in.

I missed it.

I'll never see its like again.

CM Punk and AJ Lee defeated Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch.

29 minutes, 15 seconds,

three and a half stars.

And finally, Jim, the major.

Hold on.

I just, I don't even.

Here's again, here's the problem.

Are we,

I don't know what we're grading on.

We're grading on whatever fits it for Dave.

Sometimes he grades on if the

woman on stage sang a wonderful song, but it was opera and it was a fucking crowd of metalheads.

Or if

they just sang long and loud, that's all it takes.

Or

if you can't say that, okay, the mixed tag team match was what drew the house, the people were more into it than anything else.

And you got Punk and Rollins who held up their part, and you got their wives having a cat fight.

I didn't need to see any goddamn technical brilliance.

That's three and a half stars.

But the girls that have

a match that I know everybody praised, but it

was brought about by another girl getting pregnant.

And it had a build of like, yeah, we're going to fight for the title now because there's no champion.

And eh,

I don't know where everybody's heads at anymore.

And finally, Jim, Cody Rhodes defeated Drew McIntyre, 16 minutes, 52 seconds, three and three-quarter stars.

I would have dropped that a little bit.

Of course, I'm on a realistic four-star schedule like Leonard Malton intended.

But Cody and Drew had a good professional match that wasn't a barn burner and didn't botch anything or hurt anybody.

So that's about three stars.

But apparently, you know, he liked that because

they were better than AJ and Becky when they were pulling each other's hair.

I don't know what he's fucking looking at.

You know, I will say, obviously, they're doing these shows with very few matches as opposed to AEW, which has tons of matches.

The match times here to me tell a story because the punk match, I thought it went too long and I didn't even realize that.

That was a little bit long, I will admit.

But 29 minutes, 15 seconds, that's a long match for that match.

There was, there was, I was full.

There was a little steak left over on the plate.

I had to get a doggy back.

Well, Jim, those were the star ratings.

I don't know if you saw it, but I'll bring it up here.

What are your thoughts on the fact that ESPN

graded the WrestlePalooza event as well, and they gave it a C,

which became a story?

It's the first WWE event on their new app, and it's a C.

I get some poor woman, Andrea Hale, wrote

the

review of the match or the show.

And it was all over the internet.

They gave it a C.

It's a man for the record.

I think it's Andreas Hale.

It's a man.

It has this little picture here.

I didn't know there was a drava over the A at the end.

I thought it was Andrea.

I apologize to Andrea and Andre and whoever else was involved these french people you never know what's going on with the french

but anyway the point is

i saw this and people are going out of their minds

but didn't espn say

that they were still going to cover

news see this is the problem when they're in in bed with multiple people sometimes people get their feelings hurt

and back to business

Are they going to show the product and make money on it and talk about it like it's the greatest thing ever to make more money on it?

Or are they going to be the

news for sports channel and report on the news, Vincenzo?

This is the battle they are having.

And it was kind of a

C-show on their scale.

It wasn't WrestleMania, but it wasn't.

What's the last really rotten show they had?

You know, so,

but poor poor Andrea, whoever he or she may be, Andreas, got fucking blistered on the internet from all the fans about it.

Like, how dare you do this?

Well, here's the final write up here at the very end: final grade C.

The excellent Vacare versus Skymatch saved this show from being truly average.

It was a phenomenal display inside the wait a minute.

A C is truly average.

C is the definition of average.

That's why they spell average with a C.

Everything else was either underwhelming, the short Rhodes and McIntyre match, or a setup for a future match, like Lesnar dominating Cena.

For a card that promised to have epic moments, it fell a little short of expectations.

Is that unfair?

No,

I don't think that's the most inflammatory thing anybody's ever said.

And

now they're saying, though,

that

they're putting out the word that, no, Cena's not going to wrestle Brock again.

And that's to build Brock for the future.

And that was, you know, the call that was made or whatever.

In that case, that would probably take it from a C to a D, wouldn't it?

Because what the fuck?

That is puzzling, isn't it?

It's very puzzling.

Does he got a few feel-good moments left with Cena before he can't feel you up and make you feel good anymore?

And you use it to fucking let Brock lay him out when Brock's got, what, five more matches in his career at the pace he wrestles if he wants to wrestle until he's 56?

Well, I guess the other question is if someone writing for ESPN's website where they dropped AEW coverage, it's all WWE coverage now.

It's all about WWE.

And the person writing the report gives it a C and says it fell short of expectations.

Do you think there's anyone else at ESPN feeling the same way?

And have they quickly gotten annoyed yet with the process of dealing with WWE and having Stephanie McMahon plug VPN services

right before they go to the brand new app?

And then the reporters giving it a C on the website?

Well, but here's another thing.

They're just now getting a taste of what can happen when they rile the fucking fans up the other way.

Much less the company doing things or whatever, but when they rile the fans up, and now they've got these crazy wrestling fans harassing them on social media all the time.

Baseball fans do not go to the extent against networks and or promotions that the wrestling fans do, do they, Brian?

You're the baseball guy.

I mean, baseball fans...

you know, vent and rant about a lot of things, bad owners, bad commissioner.

Is the flavor of it it anywhere near the wrestling fans who are like they should be killed and hung and thrown and off the turrets of the castle it depends which town st.

Louis they're very polite new york and philadelphia you may have an issue depending on the player ah see well that's the sam muchnick influence over there in st louis They're a very kind and passionate fan base who sit there and, you know, don't boo.

That's the best way I could put it.

New York, they'll boo popular players if they mess up or don't hustle or don't do what's expected of them.

Like, that's happened.

Some of the best players who New York fans love have been booed out of the building.

It's kind of a rite of passage.

So they're just fickle fucks, is what you're saying.

Hey, there's Fred Ficklefuck and his wife Frances.

You remember Francis Ficklefuck?

Well, Jim's.

You get all the little kids, you know, little Fred, Frank, and then their daughter, Fern.

Well, Jim, let's stay on the topic of the fickle.

Let's get to the observer star ratings for AEW

all out

2025 Toronto.

Here are the matches we did not see.

And do you think this is why they have so many matches?

Because they think, okay, our cumulative stars will just blow away all of the WWE's totals.

I think Tony Khan is an observer reader.

He's trying to find ways to fill up as many pages as he can.

And he knows if he does a 20-match card, it ends up being three pages in each server.

But here are the matches: Samoa Joe and Powerhouse Hobbes defeated J.D.

Drake and Anthony Henry five minutes, 19 seconds, two-star match.

Daniel Garcia.

The same thing as John Cena and Brock Lesnar in the main event of a highly viewed premium live event.

Daniel Garcia defeated Katsuyuri Shibana 15 minutes, three and a half star match.

Oh,

can you imagine 15 minutes of Shabupi?

Versus Garcia.

I think Garcia is the bigger problem there than Shibata.

I don't know.

At least you can kind of laugh at the funny motions that Garcia makes.

With Shibata, because of the brain removal, you're always waiting for something crazy to happen.

Just like he starts walking backwards or something.

You're just somebody.

The fucking wire fell off.

And oh, shit, we got to connect connect that son of a bitch back up.

Jim Hologram be farting out his mouth and shoving cake up his ass.

Jim Hologram, who apparently is injured, so is oh, what the what is this?

What the fuck happened?

I don't know, but it's what the fuck happened.

His undefeated streak is intact, he's injured.

But no, they they shot, I say shot and they issued a challenge on last week's dynamite for this coming week's dynamite,

And it's only possible for him to have had one match in between

that time.

And he got hurt in that match and has already been replaced.

I believe Commander took his place in the match with Kyle Fletcher,

which I heard was a great, which I heard was a really good match.

But no, wait, that was the match had to be what he got hurt in because they've changed the match next on TV next week to,

what's this, goddamn Kyle and pockets.

Oh.

So when did the

he came at, was he already hurt

when they did the goddamn deal where I challenge you for next week?

What?

Do you think someone finally told him in Spanish, Tony, we'll pay you.

Stay home.

Be a hologram.

Literally, they only work once or twice a week at most.

And it was in the show from Wednesday.

Next Wednesday, we're going to have this match on TV.

And then they've already changed the match days beforehand because he's already hurt.

How did he get fucking hurt that quick?

Was he hit by a cab?

They can't keep any.

No, well, that happened to Darby.

Remember, was it a cab or a truck?

Something hit his face in New York City.

It was a bus.

That's right.

A bus hit his face.

Well, once again, hologram out.

AEW can't keep any of their baby faces healthy at all.

Hologram Roderick Strom and Kyle Roderick Strom.

Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly defeated the frat house of Griff Garrison, Preston Vance, and Cole Carter three minutes.

With Roddy involved, it might have been a real frat house.

Remember, he's the one that fucking for a free case of beer and some fun got choked out on a reality show by a midget.

They were in a frat house.

I don't know anything about this.

No.

Weeks after Sinclair Sinclair broadcasting, I don't know anything about this.

Weeks after Sinclair Broadcasting bought Ring of Honor, and we were planning to debut on television.

Roddy was featured in the main event mix as one of the top individual single

young new stars, hard-hitting combatants, and the Ring of Honor promotion is going to be debuting on television.

I'm going somewhere.

Stacy's driving.

I'm trying to do paperwork.

And

I get a call from

Delirious,

who's who tells me that I call Roddy.

He is about to be on goddamn true TV on some kind of reality television show

involving the midget wrestlers.

And it was shot two years beforehand.

And he did it in Florida where he lived.

And he did it as a lark where he ends up being one of the people in this college party that gets choked out by a fucking midget.

And I say, you mean, and they're going to air it in like a few weeks.

You mean to tell me

that I'm going to have to explain to the executives at Sinclair Broadcasting why the new television show they're about to debut features a fucking professional athlete supposedly in competition for the world championship of said promotion that is going to be on another channel getting choked out by a midget and he got paid a case of beer for it.

I hung up on him.

He said, but it was two years ago, and we were just having fun.

I said, Steve, we're still a wrestler.

Why would you do that on tape when you're a professional wrestler?

And you just

for beer?

So, fortunately.

Apparently, nobody either nobody watched it or unfortunately, nobody knew who the fuck he was.

Because we didn't hear much about it.

Once again, they defeated the Frat House.

Three minutes, 18 seconds, one and a half stars.

I can't make a comment either way.

Willow Nightingale and Mina Shirakawa and Queen Aminata and Harley Cameron.

Defeated Julia Hart, Sky Blue, Megan Bain, and Penelope Ford in a tailgate brawl tornado match.

1134 tailgate.

two-star match giggity what the two stars from Dave for AEW this must have been embarrassing

well we go to the main show now Jim

Adam Copeland and Christian Cage defeated FTR 18 minutes three seconds

four and a half stars

Okay, it was a good tag team match, especially when the people were into Edge and Christian.

As we mentioned,

they really had them at a point where they could have gone home and they went about another minute and a half too long.

But this is,

no, that's not a four and a half star level tag team match.

I'm sorry.

And

FTR and Jen and Juice.

was uh it lasted almost an hour was the greatest tag team match of modern times and did he give it five or just under five?

I think it went over five, maybe.

Did he go?

Well, all right, I guess he broke the scale for that one, but there's a lot of room in there for flexibility.

I would think this,

any of the matches FTR had with the Briscoes or with Gable and Jordan

were better, except

in the terms of Gable and Jordan, they didn't have the Edge and Christian in Toronto hometown Edge.

The Briscoes, I believe, were at home in Philly for at least one of those.

But nevertheless, here we go.

Jim Eddie Kingston returned and defeated Big Bill, seven minutes, 19 seconds.

Now, if, okay,

if he's already given two stars to, especially to John Cena and Brock Lesnar, then a glorified TV match with a finish that was a whiff

that people groaned over has to be under two stars, does it not?

One and three-quarter stars.

Glory, hallelujah.

Now, wait a minute.

Now I'm worried.

I'm thinking about the same fucking direction as Meltzer.

I may need a doctor.

That may be the lowest star rating we've ever seen for an AEW match.

I'm not sure.

Oh, no.

Well, one and a half stars, I guess, is lower than one and three-quarters.

So

in most mathematical tables.

Jim, Mark Briscoe defeated MJF in a tables and thumbtacks match, 19 minutes, 20 seconds, 4 3 three-quarter stars.

Okay,

Ricochet.

Did he do the old?

Well, it's not for everybody,

and I don't particularly like it, but here I'm going to come all over it.

Is it?

Did he approach it that way?

Like, no, I think the match he comes all over is a different match on the show.

No, he wrote, um,

this was super for what it was.

In other words, if if they'd have just brought the donkey from Tijuana in there and here came Vanessa Del Rio, 72 years old and still looking as good as ever, and got down on all fours and they gave us the whole show,

it would be good for what it was.

Not my cup of tea, but five fucking stars, especially for the burro.

All right, let's get away from show world here, Jim.

Ricochet and Bishop Khan.

So why do you got to immediately, as soon as we're talking about jackasses, you bring up Ricochet.

And Toa Leona defeated Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin, and MVP 13 minutes, 41 seconds, three and a half stars.

Nothing unreasonable there.

Not anything to grump about.

I know he's probably trying to insult him with that, but that's actually what,

you know, a realistic people might give something that was realistically

okay.

This next one is interesting.

Mercedes-Monet defeated Riho 15 minutes, 55 seconds.

Oh, here we go.

Four-star match.

It says here at a few points: the crowd was not with it down the stretch.

And then at the end, it says, The crowd cost this match a good half star.

It's their fault.

But that's that's how he so that's why that there how he figures that Mercedes's personal assistant and personal writer and personal chauffeur and personal friend that gets lost in the woods with her won't all get mad at him.

The team, you know, the team.

That's right.

Remember the new,

is it Monet Mag or Mercedes Mag?

I guess it can't be Mercedes Mag.

It's Monet Mag.

No, Mercedes, BMW, Mercedes, all those people got upset about that.

She tried that first.

We may have to revisit that in the future.

This next one's interesting.

Oh, boy.

I have pictures of her as a hood ornament.

They didn't release them to the public.

All right, let's get back in line here, back in proper order.

Okada, Kazushka Okada, won a three-way over Konosuke Takeshita and Mascara Dorada.

Okay, okay, now wait a minute.

20 minutes, 56 seconds.

Just hold on a second.

Again, you have Okada is just

see-through at this point with the shortcuts he's taking and the lackadaisical attitude and he can't move to begin with.

And we know everybody likes our boy take, Uncle Dave especially.

But and then the bump on the log, the third one of the group, the little masked fellow that was just added into this out of nowhere.

How could he justify

this?

He could justify it with five and a quarter stars.

This was one of the best three ways of all time,

not just athletically, but story-wise.

Well, Jim, we'll go to the next match before you throw open your mouth a little more.

Jon Moxley defeated Darby Allen in a coffin match, 19 minutes, 20 seconds,

four and a half stars.

Oh,

I bet Darby got his feelings hurt by that one.

But everything is...

It just has to be all, no matter what they do or what goes on, it has to be four and a half and then five and in four.

And then because he has to have this self-fulfilling prophecy of every AEW pay-per-view is loaded with great matches.

And he's the one calling them great.

Chris Statlander won the AEW women's title over Tony Storm, Tecla, and Jamie Hayter, 11 minutes, 58 seconds, three and three-quarter stars.

Twice as good as Cena and Lesnar.

Brody King and Bandito defeated the Young Bucks, Hetchichero and Josh Alexander, and Jet Speed in a ladder match, 24 minutes, 33 seconds, four and three-quarter stars.

Well,

you had to put the Kookamunga contingent in there in the middle between the four and a half and the five so that they didn't get their feelings hurt.

And obviously,

neither you nor I, Brian,

paid any attention to this whatsoever because it's goddamn ridiculous that the children get to play like this.

So we can't say we watched it and it wasn't, but we didn't watch it and we doubt it.

And finally, Adam Page defeated Kyle Fletcher 38 minutes, nine seconds.

And we watched this one:

five and a quarter stars.

Oh, Christ almighty.

Better than anything that Flair and Steamboat and Angle and et cetera and that whole company ever

accomplished.

The hangman

and his

juvenile delinquent fucking doppelganger.

And for the record, Jim, the match you reviewed, Mystico defeating MJF in CMLL's anniversary show for the light heavyweight world, the world light heavyweight title, 17 minutes, 38 seconds.

Dave gave that five and a half stars.

He can sit there and see two completely different things and rate them exactly the same way.

That's what it appears to be.

Those are the all-out star ratings.

Jim, I was going to go over the PWI 500, but we'll save that for another time.

There's 500 of them.

Let's get to some other stuff first.

A few questions here from the Cult of Cornet.

This one was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group, Jim, by Josh Patton.

What is the origin of the fisherman's suplex, and why is it called that?

I can answer the second part.

First, if you just look, when you hook the guy's head and you're bending over and you're hooking his leg, you're turning him in the

the position you're contorting his body to where he looks like a fish hook

so that's where that came from it's as simple as that it's that's not even up for debate that's an easy one

the problem is who's the first person to do it because hennig kurt hennig popularized it right the perfect plex

but i don't

I don't know, truthfully and honestly,

would that be some kind of thing he learned from like the likes of Billy Robinson in the AWA, one of the old-fashioned

little things that you didn't see anymore at that time?

Or did he invent it straight out?

I do not know.

It seems like one of those things that would have been around, but you can't visualize anyone doing it.

Still, if there's not like a fisherman gimmick, because then it would at least like, you know, tie into that.

I'm trying to think of because i watched

billy and he would have been around billy robinson a lot more than than i was in the awa he was there for so long but i watched robinson and bill dundee

have matches for the cwa title and i've been recently going through negatives and seen some of the pictures and i'm trying to visualize

the only

It seems like I can see a Billy Robinson or a Tony Charles or someone of that nature doing something like that but i can't call it and i'm trying to too and don't remember anybody else

before hennig got it over doing it

again we might find is it was it a a brad ringgin's amateur type of thing that in vern's camp that he might have stolen

i'm just i'm blurting out loud thinking i just quickly googled it to see what would come up according to ai this is ai on google's response.

Oh, boy.

It was invented by Kuniyaki Kobayashi.

Okay.

Which I didn't realize if that's true.

Huh.

And I'm there is a big fishing industry in Japan.

A lot of them are fishermen.

So that makes some sense that

Hennig would have seen that

at some point and appropriated it.

And Kobayashi was,

but again,

he was tremendous, and those matches are very underlooked with Tiger Mask and he,

because of Dynamite was, you know, even more impressive and blah, blah, blah.

But Tiger Mask and Kobayashi both were guys that they sent

to England and Mexico.

I know Tiger Mask went to both.

Maybe Kobayashi just went to one or the other.

But

from those worlds, he may have picked that up and translated it from something.

The Dynamite Kid matches are the big matches because of what they mean, and they're great, not to take anything away from them.

Some of them are just spectacles worth watching because of the reaction, like the MSG match.

But the Kobayashi matches, I think are the better actual matches.

They actually are.

And

it was more like a, and at the time this was still.

important and cool.

They were like a live action martial arts movie that you could could buy into.

Not where the guy was doing fucking four-flips off the trampoline off camera, but some Bruce Lee, you know, really good work and shit.

It was the hair.

See, him having that big hair helmet, I think, really helped the look.

And also, he could fling his head and sell, and there was some movement, whereas Dynamite being bald-headed was just, yeah.

Jim, another question here from the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent in by Kevin Danserau.

Is the double turn the most difficult angle to pull off in wrestling?

Well, no, the most difficult angle to pull off in wrestling would have been getting George Gulis over as a top babyface.

I mean, I don't have a list of every single angle here and with attributed a degree of difficulty to each, but yes,

a double turn is a difficult thing to pull off.

And you have to,

you have to not only have the situation needs to be right, the way that everybody has got to that point, their interaction with each other, the build, the way that the fans are seeing them at the time,

and then the way they execute it.

And

they not only have to do the finish right, but they have to do the match, which you can't.

You can't tell, you can't teach, you can't, well, now you can plan out every move in advance.

But

in those periods of time,

the guys would have the match in the ring and lead the people

in the manner in which they wanted them to be thinking at the end so that they were acceptive to the accepting to the finish,

but not tip the finish off ahead of time, not be so broad, the pie in the face type of thing, ham-fisted with it, where you're like 10 minutes ahead of time.

I bet he's going to fucking turn.

But just leading them in that direction subtly, that type of thing, it was very difficult to do.

And

Hart and Austin did it.

And that was, and you can watch through the whole thing and just kind of see a

verbal example or a visual example of what I just said verbally.

The Midnight and Road Warriors did it in New Orleans

for the

World Tag Team title in WCW,

which

it was done well, but it eventually

it didn't take fully because the people weren't, the people in the building booed the Road Warriors for doing it, but the people overall weren't ready to boo the Road Warriors.

And

that was to get them ready for Dusty to be the big babyface, but then they just...

They weren't ready for that either.

They still wanted to cheer the Road Warriors.

So

they are very difficult to do unless everybody's on the same page and the conditions are right.

Jim, our next question sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group was sent by Chris Hunt.

Can Jim recall

is he Mike's brother?

Can Jim recall any creative ideas he may have had that got shot down?

Good Lord,

recall any?

We don't have time left in the program.

I'll tell you one of the first ones I had

that, and I mean,

creative ideas could be anything from, oh, golly, I'll get the Galaxians ray guns for the publicity photo.

I mean, you know, or shit, props we used to bring out on TV, we'd do that on our own.

You know, you had some freedom with that.

But actually,

taking part in official creative meeting,

one of the first, at least good ideas I thought I had,

everybody poo-pooed in Dallas.

And I came, have I told you, Brian, because we've talked about Dallas sometime times, I mentioned that they asked me

sometime in April leading into the

May Texas Stadium show.

We had been there since Christmas, right?

And

Fritz was not the owner.

He was not the booker.

Fritz was the owner.

Ken Mantel was the booker.

But going going to the booking meetings were also david manning the head referee

gino and chris gino hernandez and chris adams as the

heel champions of gary hart they also included them often kevin von erich was usually in the meetings at least the four or five i went to

And

Bronco Lubich.

So it was like a fucking group, right?

And they they asked me,

we see you're pretty creative with the finishes with the, you know, midnight to fantastics.

Would you like to come to the boogie meeting?

Well, geez, of course.

You know, I didn't know what I was getting into there either.

And

I don't, Ken Mantel didn't have control of anything.

He was just sitting there with a pencil behind his ear, scratching his head.

And then I think he kind of collected ideas and tried to formulate it some way or another.

But they would all just throw out stuff, but it was basically always about the Von Eric boys and what their issue was going to be.

Because imagine that

at least one of them and their opponents were in the goddamn meeting.

But we were coming up on Texas Stadium as it relates to the idea.

And Brian, you may remember that year, 1985.

They had the main one of the main events was for the NWA title with Flair Flair and

it was Kevin.

Flair versus Kevin NWA title match.

And because they were going to have the two-ring 10-man

fucking tag team match that was going to be where everybody came back and worked twice,

they were going to have two rings there.

So they made it legal.

that the

world title match could take place in both rings also.

So that's the stipulation.

Rick Flair, Kevin von Erich,

NWA world title match can take place in both rings.

Didn't say anything about no time limit, no disqualification, no count out, whatever, right?

And also, you'll remember our match with the Fantastics for the American tag team title.

It was that night, and I'm in the corner sitting next to little John, and they had the match in both rings, also.

Trying to jazz it up a little bit because it was so dreary with John.

Anyway,

what are they going to do for a finish with Flair and Kevin?

And they said, how about a count out?

Because they,

this is 1985 and the Carrie was the year before and he won.

But they on the reunion arena,

Texas Stadium, Cotton Bowl, they couldn't have.

One of the boys just do a controversial job to the world champion.

And I'm sitting there thinking, well, geez, they always do.

They've been doing countouts here since Fritz was wrestling a champion, right?

And it was, they mentioned the, oh, well, they've, at an appropriate time, maybe they take a bump over the top rope and the one guy's grabbing the other guy and pulling him down and trying to get in.

How many times have you seen that, Brian, as a wrestling fan?

They pull each other down over and over until they get counted out.

Seen it a bunch of times, of course.

Yes, and everybody knows what's going to happen as soon as they start.

My idea was this:

I said, Let me ask you a question: What are the rules of a world title match taking place in two rings?

There are no set rules for that specific stipulation because it's never happened before.

Therefore,

David Manning, you always usually referee the world title matches.

What about if you just so happen to referee the match before that and you get bumped or you turn your ankle or whatever?

Don't even have to do it in the finish, just turn your ankle, getting out of the ring.

And instead, here comes the rookie referee, Ralph Pulley, to referee the match with Flair and Kevin.

And they're having the match in two rings.

And Flair gets heat on Kevin and he beats the shit out of him.

He waltzes him across Texas, makes him sell like he's going to the electric chair, and he's chopping him and he's figure four at him and he's whatever the fuck he's doing to him.

And finally,

Kevin starts his comeback and the people are coming up and Kevin's kicking his shit out of Flare and he shoots Flare off and upside down into the buckle and over the top rope and he falls into the apron in between the two rings.

And he, to get away from Kevin, he gets into the other ring.

So Kevin follows him and he grabs him there.

Boom, boom, boom.

And he shoots him off.

And Flair goes upside down again and falls into the middle of the goddamn two rings.

And this time, Kevin comes in the middle and gets him.

And he grabs hold of Flair in his left hand by Flair's blonde hair.

And he shows the people the claw hand.

And he slaps the claw on Ric Flair, and who is fighting to keep upright and slowly going down

onto the aprons of the rings where they meet in between the rings outside the ropes.

And meanwhile, the rookie referee placed in a position of pressure, refereeing his first world title match, is counting these fucking guys out because they ain't in ring one and they ain't in ring two.

They're in the middle.

And right as fucking Kevin gets the goddamn claw hold on Flair and he's fought him all the way down and he presses him down to the canvas and Flair is out flat on his back on the aprons of the ring in the middle.

Pulley gets to the was 20 in world class, gets to the 20 count and rings the bell.

Double count out.

What do you think?

That's pretty good.

Well, they said, no.

And if you go back and watch fucking tape, they take a bump out of the ring and each one pulls the other one off the apron until they're counted out.

That's pretty good.

So

that was disappointing to me.

Did they tell you right to your face, like, no, we can't do that?

I mean, how did they deal with you?

Well, no, they just,

and then they started talking about doing the other thing the way they wanted to do it.

All right.

But I'm only 23.

What do I know?

It's my first booking meeting.

So did you have any say in the little John stuff?

Somewhat.

They wanted,

I was his kind of on-site producer, whispering at him what reactions to have or to stand up or sit down or whatever.

But they wanted him there beside me.

And it was just to neutralize me from interfering, getting in the ring.

They could sell to the fans, well, he won't be able to fuck the Fantastics now because this Giant's next to him.

But I knew I wasn't going to have a lot of interplay because he was an idiot as well as green and had never been in the business before.

But they wanted

him to have some part to play

in the Fantastics getting the win.

And because they had gimmicked it up, it was all four in the rings.

tornado match in two rings

it was already confusing to people and we were relying on this guy for anything in the way of timing and the finish.

So, as you go back and watch it,

I think Bobby Fulton was paired off with Bobby Eaton and Dennis Condry and Tommy Rogers, may have been the other way around.

But, nevertheless, it's supposed to be a near-simultaneous double pin with one of the Midnight up and one of the Fantastics up.

But

the legal Fantastic is the guy that gets the pin.

All Little John has to do is slap Bobby Eaton on the fucking leg to turn him around so he can be schoolboyed, I believe.

And I'm sitting there going,

slap his leg, slap his leg, slap his fucking leg.

With my goddamn Walter Winchell, not Walter Winchell, Paul Winchell, ventriloquist.

Walter Winchell, that's right.

Well, yeah, maybe you could have heard Walter Winchell, Paul Winchell, without doing the ventriloquist voice without moving his lip slap my

leg and you see bobby's even looking down like where's the and he's and so in effect the double pin ended up with the midnight getting the pin first because the other guys did their correctly

and

so we really won the match and people are like

and then the one spot they wanted me to do with little john

was to take my racket and hit him over the back with it and it break.

Well, I couldn't use a metal one because you can't break those, it had to be a wooden one,

but the wooden ones are graphite.

And goddamn, you would have to seriously hit

a hard stationary object pretty fucking strongly to break one of those rackets in half like they wanted it.

So we tried to gimmick it

and we sawed it part of the way, but he was such a big fucking schlub and a his bench press was like 180.

He was seven, six, and fucking 400 pounds or whatever.

And so they gimmicked, they sought it too far.

And I tried to take care of it through the whole match.

No, I know what it was.

I'm sorry, I told a lie.

They wanted me to hit him over the back with it and him not sell it, and then him grab it away from me and snap it in half.

But I said,

if we gimmick it where he can snap it,

then I can't hit him with it.

And they say, oh, yeah, you just work it.

Well, I fucking hit him real light and the goddamn head fell off.

Just fell a boom.

And

I said, that was a metaphor for the whole match to lose the titles to the Fantastics.

We actually won the fucking match.

And then the only time that I've ever

acquiesced to anybody actually breaking the racket and it was a farting church like that.

So then we gave our notice when we got the check.

But yeah, that whole thing was a goddamn mess.

Well, that was a great question.

But I still like that finish.

I remember that show.

You were also out there with Rip Oliver for the two-ring,

was it 10-man tag?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, I was.

But we'll revisit this question.

You could have time to think about ideas that were shot down by Dusty or Watts or Dundee or Jerry Johnson.

Well, and remember, the Jim Hurd went back on the deal

to make the Bobby Eaton and Stan Lane part of the four horsemen with Flair and Arn when we only had two horsemen.

And

we started that in motion, and then he canceled that.

And I was highly ticked off about that because I didn't want to do it to begin with.

And came because I was then going to become a full-time announcer instead of manager.

But since the boys would be taken care of and the horsemen would be replenished and Heard would get off my back, I agreed to it after I had the idea and Flair said, okay.

And then Heard canceled that.

I said, well, fuck you then.

I quit too.

Flair had quit the booking committee.

Like the week before I went on vacation, came back, found out that they had Ixnaid that idea.

I said, well, tell him I've quit also so he can have his fucking booking meetings in private now.

All right, Jim, our next question sent via email to corney drivethruergmail.com is sent by FG.

The title of the email is Right Place, Right Time.

I have a question about Tully's Perfect 10.

Dr.

John!

I have a question about Tully's Perfect 10.

The story is, when Crockett and Tully went to Texas, they were in search of Sunshine, who at the time was in rehab, and they went with Nicola Roberts.

How would the whole angle with Dusty, Magnum, and later against you and the horseman played out differently if Sunshine was hired instead?

Reminds me of how Ray Trailer, who became Big Bubba, was just a perfect person in the right place for the role at the time.

Okay, where does the story come from?

Have you heard this story before, Brian?

I had never heard that.

Well, certainly not that Jim Crockett and Tully Blanchard went to Texas looking for sunshine.

I never heard that.

Wait, yeah, this is not like

Watts took Jim Ross and a cameraman to fucking search for Stagger Lee.

No, but it's a

no,

okay, for one thing, no, Tully didn't ever say, hey, Jimmy, let's go to Texas and try to find sunshine.

At the period of 19,

when

Baby Doll started with

Tully for Crockett, it was what, 1985, early on, right?

Or late 84?

If it wasn't late 84, I think it would have been early 85, I think.

Because starting 85 is obviously one of the moments I always think about with her or with Tully.

Well, yeah, and they'd already established that.

So, because I know she was there by the time we came in in summer of 85, point I'm making.

It wouldn't have been hard to find Sunshine.

She was working in goddamn Dallas against me

in fucking April and May and June and July of 1985.

She wasn't in rehab.

It may have been a blessing at the time, but she wasn't there.

And the way that they found Nikla

was that she was Nick Roberts' daughter.

Nick Roberts was the promoter in Lubbock, and I think he had taken over Amarillo by that point, the West Texas towns for the Texas office.

But Tully had seen her,

you know, before Tully being from San Antonio, they had, you know,

she was not a secret that she existed, that suddenly she was standing by.

Oh my God, look at her.

They knew her.

She was part of the wrestling family.

And

I can't remember whether it was Tully or whether it might have been Flair

going out there for title defenses and just seeing Nicola backstage, you know,

visiting her dad's business.

And obviously, she was interested in

the wrestling business, but the only story I ever heard centered on

she was a strikingly tall,

healthy-looking young lady that either flair or somebody had seen when they were out there and suggested that you know and dusty would have been no stranger to who nick roberts was

and the the the perfect 10 thing

was kind of the rib they found a girl bigger than tully

And she was dressed up at first in the punk rock,

you know, kind of shit like as

a mad maxine type of she's his bodyguard and she's bigger than he is and that's how she was dressed when she was in dallas as andrea the lady giant that that's right

and she had worked for what two or three months maybe yeah she was aligned already on the show she was aligned with geno and jake roberts and that whole crew

As a matter of fact, okay, and Flair went down and defended the title and came back and said, oh, you got to see Nick Roberts' daughter is dressed up and she's six feet one or whatever.

That's what it was.

But yeah, Andrea the lady giant.

That's gladly or thankfully she slipped that one early because that would have been kind of.

But yeah, Baby Doll.

And the promos that Tully did, The Perfect 10 is coming, making you think you're going to see

some supermodel out of a magazine.

And here, here's Baby Doll.

And that was part of the fucking heat.

Do you remember when the movie 10 came out with Bo Derrick and how that kind of did?

You know, I do, brother.

Did that popularize the phrase with you?

The idea of she's a 10?

What it

didn't popularize it with me because I've never went around, you know, using it frivolously, but it made everybody in America aware of it.

Everybody knew that's what the when what was 10 came out, 78.

Um, I bet you 78.

I bet you if you look it up, hold on, let's see.

I got the Playboy, too, too by the way 79

all right prick

but but yeah so this is 1984 it's still part of normal daily terminology

so everybody knew what the the deal was is there any joke about the idea that you know baby thou next to tully is kind of like dudley moore next to but

I don't I think he looked more like Dudley Moore than she did Bo Derrick.

But,

you know, Brian, the thing is, I never fucked a 10, but one night I fucked five twos.

Did anyone ever hit you harder in your career than that one shot that's on camera where you're backing up and she punches you as hard as she can right in the back of the head?

Yes.

You want to know who?

Yeah.

Baby Doll in St.

Louis when she hit me in the front of my fucking head.

She dislocated my jaw with a slap she was supposed to miss.

I was supposed to have, I missed an elbow drop on Magnum or whatever, and he rolls over and tags baby doll.

And I come up, and I'm supposed to turn around and see her and go, ah, like that, and fall backwards on my ass and tag out as she swings a slap at me.

Like, oh, missed it by that much.

And then they'd milk it till the finish when she really got a hold of me.

When I went, ah,

she slapped me and dislocated my fucking jaw while my mouth was open.

And I couldn't chew without pain for three or four days.

And for years, the left,

because she's right-handed, right?

So my left side of my jaw here, right outside your ear, would click when I opened it a certain way or width or whatever.

So, yes, the only time anybody ever hit me harder than she did in the back of the head was when she hit me in the front of the head.

I know it's not like there's any heat right now,

but this is years after the fact.

But at the time, in the moment, is there anyone?

Was that the first person you worked with who you actually didn't get along with professionally?

Like there were problems in the back, you guys, you know, she was literally shoot-punching you whenever she could on.

No, no, we gotta, no, we laughed about it at the time because I knew she didn't know how to work.

I worked with her for big-time wrestling in Spartanburg, like what in 2017?

We had a fucking reprise of our goddamn feud and had a single match for 10 minutes.

So you don't think it was revenge for her, for you going off on her when they tried to pull the rib on you being arrested?

Well, no, a lot of this shit was before that.

Okay.

See, and that's, that's the thing also is

she, she couldn't work any better in Spartanburg in 2017 than she could in 1986, but

I couldn't, you know, I would joke about it, but I couldn't get mad about it because she didn't know how to work.

But I did get a little grumpy the one night at the Orange Bowl in Miami.

Again, the finish, I think it was her and the Rock and Roll Express, maybe, but at the finish, they tagged me in.

And one of two things was going to happen.

I was either going to run from the male baby faces and turn into her knockout punch, or she was going to chase me down, tackle me, and fucking give me the knockout punch.

She chased me around the room.

When she tackled me, she shoot tackled me.

She was on top of me.

We were going down face first with me on the bottom.

And so I put my hands out to cushion my fall.

And she was so tight on back of me that when my hands landed, her face went into my elbow and it cracked her teeth, chipped her front teeth.

And she actually got mad and went home to go to the dentist because I chipped her teeth.

I'm like, God damn, you tackled me like dick fucking butkiss and you're on me so fucking tight that when i try to protect my face from being smashed in you chipped your teeth on my elbow

but yeah she consistently potated me more than anybody else that i ever worked with in my career and what about sunshine just to finish the comparison when you worked with her how many times did she get her hands on you and what was that like oh no what did she

she

did she get her hands on you well no here's the thing.

In the angle leading up to the, this was one idea that I had that they didn't shoot down.

The thing to lead to Tarrant County Convention Center, the Fort Worth Star Wars event.

We did the interviews, Sunshine and I, where our men had

had ill dealings in the ring, but then I got personal with her and we would joust verbally back and forth.

And then I challenged her to a battle of the sexes where I would prove that women ought to be in the kitchen rattling the pots and pans.

I'm doing the Andy Kaufman thing.

It's fucking

June 1985, right?

They had seen it, but they hadn't seen it on local Dallas wrestling.

You ought to be rattling the pots and pans around.

And I hit her with the lines, you know, Sunshine's not her real name.

Her real name's Virginia.

They used to call her Virgin for short, but not for long.

She's been on more street corners than the Dallas Times-Herald.

I got bleeped one one time, but

I said, Sunshine, you're nothing but a, oh, I wish I could say the word slut on TV.

And I made sure the lip readers got it.

And we're at Saturday night in fucking Dallas, right?

I'm goddamn, I'm auditioning for Saturday Night Live.

So finally, she does the promo.

And I told her, I said, just go out.

and talk about how hot you've gotten over the things I've said.

Cornette really makes me hot.

And so she does the promo, you know, to Mark Lorentz there, like he stepped off a wedding cake.

He's dressed in the deal.

And Cornette just makes me hot.

Everything he says, everything he does, he just makes me hot.

And I come out in my workout outfit, the sweatsuit and the towel around my neck.

And I got a cup of water that I'm sipping because I've been doing.

jumping jacks and shit and I do the whole promo.

Richard Simmons is a family friend.

I've been training, working out.

I did push-ups.

I did sit-ups.

I did chin-ups.

I threw up once.

I'm okay now.

I'm ready to go for you, Sunshine.

I'm going to prove it takes a good man to beat you, but it don't take him long.

But I heard you say that I'd made you hot.

And I wanted to come out here and make amends for that because I didn't realize you were getting so hot at me.

So I would just like to take this opportunity to say I'm very sorry, and I would like to cool you off.

And I threw the fucking big jug of water in her face.

And she's drenched in her goddamn finery.

And she had a,

what's that?

Suede, suede skirt on, which it really fucked up.

I think I'd made a comment about how she was dressed also.

But I threw the water.

I embarrass her.

She's screaming mad.

She wants to get a hold of me.

And then they say, well, we can't advertise a man versus a woman in the state of Texas because of the,

what they were calling the commission at that time Department of Labor and Standards, I believe.

So it's going to be an exhibition.

And

I got tricked into, well, I'm going to be blindfolded.

But instead of having a match, all Sunshine has to do is prove that if I'm blindfolded, she's got to knock me off my feet.

And if she doesn't, then I'm going to take that blindfold off and I'm going to give her what she's got coming.

And once I'm blindfolded, Bronco Lubich is distracted by sunshine.

Kabuki, her guy, comes in, gives me the super kick, knocks me the fuck out of me, dives out of the ring.

I fucking groggily pull the hood off as the people are screaming and yelling, yay!

And there's Sunshine standing over me.

I think she did it.

The referee raises her hand.

We built that for six weeks for a 30-second payoff, but it was one of the feature fucking matches.

But that's

with Sunshine.

The question was physical.

We couldn't, I couldn't hit a woman

on their TV or anywhere else, especially at that time.

And she couldn't really do anything because she couldn't work either.

So we built it up to where the people wanted to see it more than.

They wanted to just see her humiliate me and they didn't care how it happened.

The one time she did something to me, I took her down to the sportatorium one day before we went to a spot show or whatever and showed her how to arm drag me.

And so when we were doing a confrontation in the,

in one of the promos and she said,

well, Kabuki has been teaching me a few things.

I come out and interrupt, oh, yeah, you're learning martial arts.

Yeah, Bruce Lee, ha ha ha.

And I pointed her, I said, you think the to ask the fans, I said, do you people actually think that this puny little girl could even take me off my feet?

And when I point at her, she grabs my left arm.

She ducks down.

She arm drags me.

Over I go.

And I pop up.

Oh, shit.

And the place blew.

And then I get out of the ring because I'm scared.

That's all they needed.

One last question.

Does that answer the question?

One last thing about this now that we're talking about women being stiff with you or not being stiff with you.

I've been stiff with a few women, I'll have you know.

Misty Blue, when you worked with her, could she work?

I mean, was she able to do anything?

Well,

they were very nice, nice young ladies that I didn't have any problem with,

but they were self-trained, Indy trained.

Misty's husband that was her agent, that had her in the not only the wrestling business, but also the starring roles in the world's absolute worst pornography that's ever been shot

on the planet.

It would.

The other girls were too, right?

Linda Dallas and

yes.

Yeah.

Yes, the whole group.

And it would put you off fucking.

This porno was so bad.

And he was in one of them.

Good Lord, that really, I don't know how he talked to anybody into doing anything, but nevertheless,

they were just self-trained and they weren't real good, but they weren't like

trying to hurt you or anything.

But when we did the angle on TV, on TBS, where Misty Blue wants me to show her how Bobby Eaton flies off the top rope.

And when I turn around, she's supposed to drop kick me.

That was to set up the eight-man in Baltimore with me and Bobby and Stan and Murdoch against Dusty and Barry Wyndham and Misty Blue and who wasn't Nikita Koloff.

I turn around and she jumps and she dropkicked me.

Literally, if she'd have potated me, I would have been sterile from that point on.

She dropkicked me in the lower belly, upper crotch.

And that

I still went down, but it wasn't the most sparkling bump I ever took.

Because how do you sell a dropkick to the fucking crotch?

But, you know,

I had good matches with Sherry Martell

and a good one with Luna Vachon.

She knew how to work, too.

But yeah, and Misty Blue in the cage, again, it was kept till the end.

And I can't even remember exactly how she beat me that night.

But we did $103,000 in Baltimore in a snowstorm in 1987.

So

there you go.

All right, Jim, a couple more questions.

And I know we said, I guess the program, because of how long we've run, we will bring Guest the program back next week.

Guess when we're going to do guest the program next week here on the show.

Jim, a couple more questions that we'll get out of here.

This one was sent via email, the corney drivethru at gmail.com from Noel in Ireland.

What if, by some miracle, Sean Michaels was actually a stand-up employee and a team player during the mid to late 90s?

How would the wrestling landscape have changed?

And would other wrestlers, like British Bulldog Invader, have gotten a run with the world title?

There is also the knock-on effect of no curtain call, Triple H winning King of the Ring 96,

so no Austin 316 promo.

So, a lot of WWF history depends on Shawn Michaels being an immature asshole.

Well, you know, now that you look at it that way, maybe it's better he was a flaming uncircumcised prick.

No,

I mean, there is a cause and effect between, you know, the Austin 316 and that whole nine yards that cannot be denied.

And

to be honest,

you know, Vince had missed Austin to that point and wasn't really interested.

And the ringmaster thing sucked and he was being himself, but who knows if he'd have gotten that opportunity or that kind of opportunity at that point if Triple H hadn't fucked up.

But

with Michaels, he was never going to be

a transformative guy like a Bruno or a Hogan or an Austin

or whatever.

But he was the best worker in the business in the ring.

And

not just the best

worker performer of moves in the business, like a Chris Benoit type, but the best worker.

He had the head for it,

the way to have matches, the way to do things.

He was so far ahead of most people

that if he hadn't been

on pills and the smell of his own farts,

he could have

Vader definitely would have gotten a run because Vince was ready to do it.

And Vader probably would have been effective in short term as a champion.

And then Sean would have been better off for winning it back from him.

I don't know they would have made Davy champion just because Davy was,

Davey never went a long period of time where he didn't do something of his own accord or outside the ring to get in his own way.

And I don't know that he ever would have been the

WWF champion.

But

business would have been easier to conduct, probably a little bit better,

certainly more consistent

if Michaels had not been,

you know, childish and been himself.

How different would the locker room atmosphere be if Shawn Michaels had not been

that would have probably been the best part about it is just everybody would have got along a lot more instead of having all the groups and the divisiveness and the assholery going on.

But I don't know that Michaels would have drastically changed the business in in many multiples or took it to another level, like the guys that I mentioned.

But he was the best at what he did, and it certainly could have been easier and probably could have been a little bit better.

All right, Jim, one final question here this week.

This one

was sent via the Cult of Cornet Facebook group by Donnie Howard.

Hypothetical, but what would have happened if Hogan had tried to hold up Vince for an ownership stake before WrestleMania or WrestleMania 2?

I always wondered why such a prominently important star never tried.

Ooh,

an ownership stake.

I'm trying to.

I would suggest that Vince was obviously never going to give up any ownership in the company because he had gone to such pains as the new book that's out now, the new Solomon book's here.

Brian Solomon wrote Irresistible Force on the Life of Gorilla Monsoon.

Vince went to great pains to not only buy his father out, but make sure that he bought all of the partners, had everything all to himself.

He wasn't going to give any up

two years after he had done that.

What I'm trying to think

is to what he might have told Hogan at the time to get him off of that if Hogan had tried it.

And if Hogan had come to him and said, Hey, give me some ownership percentage, I mean, even Hogan, even WrestleMania, he would have

had to have been somewhat realistic.

He wouldn't just say,

you know, give me all of this and your goddamn family and let me live in your house.

He would have known there he had a chance at something, maybe.

So, would he have said, give me 10%, give me 20%,

give whatever, change my deal, whatever it may be.

I think if he had asked for ownership, Fence would have probably scared him off with the idea

that

this experiment was still unproven.

If he was part owner, he might be liable for the losses as well as in line for the fucking share of the profits and or any potential lawsuits that may come from these promoters that were starting to fuck around.

So maybe, Hulk, you might just want a large large cash payment as your ransom for holding me up instead of a piece of the company, which could get sticky in legal matters.

Maybe something like that that Hogan probably

would have fell for and bought and been happy to just get a suitcase full of fucking money.

What do you think, Brian?

You know, there are very few wrestlers who could have pulled off anything like that.

Bruno San Martino, and in certain towns, he had a better cut than any other wrestler, but he didn't actually own a piece of the territory.

He had a set percentage that he got himself, which no other wrestler had, but he didn't have ownership.

But he, at the same time,

I don't think he wanted ownership.

I think he wanted because he turned down

because he didn't particularly trust everybody involved, but Vince Sr.

at that point, he turned down the opportunity to buy Tutz Mont's shares, which is what eventually went to Gorilla in 1969, I believe.

Yeah, I mean, Hogan,

again, different than everyone else in history, even Steve Austin.

And Steve Austin should have had leverage, considering they turned it into a publicly traded company off on the back of Steve Austin.

But

Steve Austin,

I don't even think he was ever the central focus that Hogan was in the 80s.

No, Austin was

as big a part as you could be of a much bigger pie, whereas Hogan

was just as big, but the pie was smaller and he was more necessary to the survival of the pie.

And in terms of merchandise, I mean, he was outselling everyone.

And, you know, the LJN figures, Hulk Hogan was the biggest seller.

Hulk Hogan's Rocket Wrestling was in production.

merchandised up the gazoo.

It would be interesting if that had ever happened.

Now, they were close.

I mean, Vince moved Hulk Hogan to Connecticut.

Well, but think about it, he had no reason to hold him up early on.

See, that's the thing is

a lot of times, also, guys could be short-sighted.

But usually, the time that you held a wrestling promoter up in front of the big show for a big payoff he didn't intend to pay out was the last time that you had dealings with that promoter.

Hulk was already figured in.

He was already making multiple times more money than all the rest of the guys in 85, 86, 87, 88.

Where he may have made a mistake is not ever picking a spot in that 90, 91 period to hold up Vince for a fucking life-changing amount of money before it got to the point where he couldn't really hold Vince up for anything that Vince couldn't fucking suffer through.

But if he'd held him up in 85,

he'd have lost

a lot more years because Vince would have known he's my guy now and he's drawing money, but I can't trust him and I'll work more actively toward finding a way to replace him.

And without knowing the specifics of his deal with Vince throughout the 80s and 90s,

he would kind of get the deal you were talking about earlier.

you know, the best possible deal you could have, an ownership deal without actually being an owner from WCW.

And he had the leverage there.

He knew they needed him.

He knew Bischoff really wanted him.

He was able to get the best deal for a wrestler ever.

But he still he wouldn't have been able to get any kind of ownership there because of the TBS corporate ownership.

Right.

But

again.

And I know, and there's been some debate about this here recently.

I've seen online and people asking various things.

And I'll say this and then let you take over.

But

there's been some, and especially Uncle Dave has weighed in on some of this.

The story that I heard about the WrestleMania 3 payoffs was that Jim Barnett was the guy in charge of doing payoffs at the time

that WrestleMania 3 happened,

and Barnett gave Hogan and Andre

$250,000 a piece, and Vince overruled it and gave them $750,000 a piece.

And

the comment was out there when Hogan passed away here recently that I think from Uncle Dave, that that was the biggest amount of money that any wrestler earned in one night until,

was it Tyson or

until some other time.

But I also always heard that to placate Hogan and Warrior for different reasons, that weren't they WrestleMania 4 or was it five?

Hogan and Warrior is WrestleMania 6 in Toronto.

Scott.

Six.

Okay.

Six, whatever.

I heard that they got $1 million apiece just because

Vince wanted to be able to claim to them that they got more than Hogan and Andre did, even if it wasn't as important to business and potentially that they had earned it as much.

So for whatever that's worth.

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