PATTI STANGER

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Speaker 2 Thank you very much for inviting me.

Speaker 1 So, ever since the first time you're on the show, like I think it was a couple of years ago, and we were so small and now we grew into this big world community, I've been bombarded with questions for you.

Speaker 2 Oh, Oh, okay. Well,

Speaker 1 yeah, so my team, like we were looking like, there's overhunts. So I'm like, let's try to pick up as much as we possibly can here.
It's Valentine's Week, the week of love.

Speaker 1 So I want to start with that because I know a lot of people this week singles they get really sad, really depressed.

Speaker 1 Like what what you suggest should the singles like just take a break from dating and stay home this week or go for it and maybe there are other singles out there.

Speaker 2 It's really weird right now post-COVID and

Speaker 2 the world has kind of gone upside down. Like in California, we're depressed right now because of the fires and it's our third last max exodus.
Everybody's leaving again.

Speaker 2 I'm like a girl that just ignore Valentine's Day. I'm in an ignore phase.
Like if you're if you're going through hell, get your favorite foods, watch favorite movies,

Speaker 2 go with your girls.

Speaker 2 You can't do a Galentine's Day. You want to drink earlier than later because you don't want to hit the prefix at the restaurant.

Speaker 2 But, you know,

Speaker 2 it's like no big deal. Men don't think about it.
It's not their thing. So they don't, so they're not like looking at it like is their year in review, like their New Year's Eve or something.
I know.

Speaker 1 I see so many women getting depressed, but I'm kind of like you.

Speaker 1 I get my girls. Yeah, I get my girls like, let's have pizza or dinner.

Speaker 2 But Friday, it'll be by Saturday morning, it's over. It's not a big deal.
It's just, you know, it's a Hallmark holiday, really. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 And it's not the end all to be all to your love love life. It's not a report card.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. Do you think, I heard somebody say on social media, I forgot who it was, they're like, no, it's a great day for singles to be out because there are a lot of singles everywhere.

Speaker 2 Well, if you see a guy out, normally he doesn't have a girlfriend unless, you know, she's in the army or something.

Speaker 2 But you would go earlier than later, like happy hour and then get out. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good idea.

Speaker 1 I've seen a lot of experts and I say that quote because most people claim they're experts with dating relationship and they're not but a lot of talk about that on social media lately: that there has never been more singles than now.

Speaker 2 Yes, the statistics.

Speaker 1 Why do you think that is?

Speaker 2 Because women don't want to date down. So they found out that the men are economically behind the women.
There are more women in college.

Speaker 2 We may not get equal pay for equal dollar, but there's more of us than there are men, especially in the boomer category. And women are, they're fed up.

Speaker 2 They're like, I'm not taking care of you, paying for you, doing for you, 50-50, plus taking care of the kids. And you don't lift a finger.

Speaker 2 So they're like, rather than that, they've opted to either A, not get married and have children or B, they can't find the mate. The biggest problem they see is people can't find one another.

Speaker 2 That's like my number one gripe that I get. And it's true.

Speaker 2 I was on the apps last night, and it's not the apps' fault. It's the quality of people on the apps.
The quality is really bad. I mean, it looks like they fell out of prison.

Speaker 2 yes you know and by age 50 you think they'd own a house and you would have a lifestyle but they don't they don't just don't and i looked all over the country i didn't look in california i looked in miami i looked in boston i looked in chicago i looked in new york it was pretty bad it's not a california problem right yeah because i got this message everywhere i've been i've been in france last summer i looked i looked in italy it's and there's not a lot of quality men on these apps you got a lot of great women you think there's a lot of quality women but the issue is like so there's a lot more great women than men.

Speaker 2 Women tend to pull themselves together resource-wise. They will get their hair and makeup done.
They'll make sure they have money in their bank account. They are paying their rent.

Speaker 2 And they want to know that the trajectory of a man is not its potential. They've reached the trajectory.
Like, I'm in tech. I'm going to own my own tech firm one day.
I'm CEO of this one.

Speaker 2 Like, they want to know there's an end game. if they're going to mate with you and bear your children.

Speaker 2 Now, if you're not, if you're older, like over 50, you definitely don't want to don't date down you definitely don't want to waste time no i agree and i i'm like that and i know a lot of my girlfriends are like that and people ask me why are you too single as in single say i i'm really really picky and i do this non-negotiable list i don't know what you think about that i've done the same thing yeah for me like i literally write on a piece of paper i've made a lot of mistakes based on chemistry because you're either chemistry ruled which is sex yeah or money ruled sometimes you get both but 90 of the time it's one or the other I was always chemistry-ruled.

Speaker 2 Got me in a lot of trouble. Yeah.
And I couldn't help it. I would go out with a rich guy, and he wasn't good-looking, or I wasn't attracted, and I'd be like, I can't do this.
I know.

Speaker 1 You have to have chemistry.

Speaker 2 Because I made my own money, so I didn't need

Speaker 2 to be on the sugar daddy list.

Speaker 1 We don't want a guy to pay our bills. However, I always say that on the podcast and on social media, and I know it's very controversial, but you probably agree with me.

Speaker 1 Even if we don't want the guy to support us and pay our bills, I think a guy should

Speaker 2 pay for dates, pay for dinner, I'm a raised Jewish girl. Okay, so I'm not going 50-50.
Same.

Speaker 2 I've done 50-50. I've taken care of man.
I've done it both. Oh my God.
It's been awful. I cannot imagine you doing that.
When I was younger, I made mistakes. Like I said, I made mistakes.
And then

Speaker 2 I'm at the place in my life where, you know, bring it or get out of the way because I'm not taking care of you. I agree.
I'm not doing, and I also, you know, like the nurse with the purse thing.

Speaker 2 I'm not doing that either. Like, you know, he's got to be in my age group, you know, fit and in shape and have the qualities that I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 I totally agree.

Speaker 2 Otherwise, I don't need this aggravation. I'd rather stay home and watch television.

Speaker 1 Same. I'd rather stay home with my dogs.
But I think more and more women are like that. They're just

Speaker 2 sober. The younger women are sober now.
So they're not drinking and they're not partying and they're clear-headed, way clear-headed than we were ever.

Speaker 2 Because we didn't know that alcohol and pot would give us brain damage, you know, as Dr. Amon says.

Speaker 2 But the women now are sober. They're making more money.
Like in Korea, it started where they went on strike. I forget what it's called, like the 40s or something.

Speaker 2 You could look this up because they're doing it in America now.

Speaker 2 Where they went on strike. They're like, we're making money.
The boys were in their parents' house jacking off to porn and playing video games.

Speaker 2 And they're like, no, no, we're making money as influencers, making successful money in skincare and beauty. And you're doing nothing.
I'm not going to take care of you. I know.

Speaker 2 And so it kind of travels around the world this momentum because they're like, if we don't see quality, why would we get out of bed for it?

Speaker 1 I agree. And I always mention that, you know, I see that.

Speaker 2 And I'm not down on men.

Speaker 2 I'm telling men, like, if you want to stand out from the pack and get that 10 or that eight girl, you need to fucking pay attention and actually.

Speaker 2 Ask her out, initiate,

Speaker 2 you know, whether you're going to slip into her DMs or go on a nap or see her at the grocery store, store like at Whole Foods would be fantastic, but approach because you're going to stand out compared to all the men that don't ask her out.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about beautiful women that don't get asked out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think men are very shy in public. Most men.

Speaker 2 I see like super successful men that don't approach. I think they're lazy.

Speaker 2 They're lazy. There's not a shy.
I don't sink shyness because you don't want a shy man. You want a man with a confidence.

Speaker 2 You don't want a lazy guy. You want a guy who's got confidence and is an alpha.
Totally.

Speaker 2 The beta women are not going to become alpha for the man. They don't want it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I see a lot of guys complain that going on dates is very expensive.
Like, I'm paying for dinner. I'm paying for this.

Speaker 2 I'm paying for that.

Speaker 1 It drives me crazy when they do that because we spend even more, right? Like, they don't know how much it costs for us to look fabulous, right? It costs so much money to be like a high-quality person.

Speaker 2 If you hear a guy on the first phone call start complaining about money, his career, run.

Speaker 1 Oh, I do.

Speaker 2 Run.

Speaker 2 He is a cheapskate. Yeah.
He doesn't want responsibility. I bet you he's never been married, didn't have kids.
Like, he's got nothing going on. Yeah.
Get right out of there. Get out of there.
I agree.

Speaker 1 I think guys should

Speaker 1 provide. Like, even if it's dates, right? There's no question about that.

Speaker 2 The reason the world worked prior to this in the old school way is because women were meant to bear the children and the man was supposed to provide and protect.

Speaker 2 Now men don't really want to provide and protect at all. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 So, where are the, but there are guys.

Speaker 2 There are guys, it's just like one in ten, you know, like one in ten.

Speaker 1 Maybe one in a hundred.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 maybe in LA. LA, it's one in a hundred.

Speaker 1 But you know, the people in New York say the same thing. Like, I can't find a guy in New York.

Speaker 2 No, no, everybody, everybody.

Speaker 2 It's a good idea to switch cities every now and then because then you're the new fish and the new pond.

Speaker 2 And it's like, if you keep going the same place over and over again, it's the definition of insanity. So, you might want to,

Speaker 2 like, for instance, i'm going for two weeks in march and i'm single right now so i'll date uh to miami oh so i'll go down there and i'll date for a while and it's it's one of my happy places and so i went to college down there and my friends are there and it's going to be a different experience than it is in california which everyone's depressed because of the fires and no one's getting out of the house and what i just saw online was I mean, I looked at Hinge last night.

Speaker 2 It was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone's not the same.

Speaker 2 And it's not Hinge's fault. So let's be careful.

Speaker 2 The technology is fantastic.

Speaker 2 You could drop a pin and go anywhere in the world. It's not Hinge's fault.
It's the quality of the queen.

Speaker 1 So I want to ask your opinion about the dating apps.

Speaker 1 I feel, and this is my perception, that a lot of men, even high-quality men, men in their 50s, their 60s, are becoming like teenagers again, players again, because of the dating apps, because they see so much.

Speaker 2 quantity but i mean and they they're like oh my god i i think that you're looking for character so you wouldn't look at him anyway it's all about finding the man who dates within his age group and has good moral character.

Speaker 2 Otherwise, why would you go on a date with somebody else? Because sometimes you don't know in the beginning.

Speaker 2 I mean, you're going to become like a plastic surgery junkie at some point to keep up with the Joneses. No, he's not your guy.

Speaker 2 Your guy is somebody who sees you, sees you, the inside of you as well as the outside of you. Otherwise, forget it.
It's a waste of time.

Speaker 1 And so do you think it is possible to find these great high-quality guys that we are looking for on the dating app?

Speaker 2 But I think that you got to keep playing with it. I have friends who've really met great guys.
I've been engaged to the dating app, so you just got to keep playing with it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so it's not a favorite that you recommend. No, I mean, I'm on Bumble and Hinge.
Raya threw me off because I said that Ben Affleck was on it on television.

Speaker 2 I think it was on one of the talk shows. I think Raya

Speaker 1 has the most players.

Speaker 2 I got kicked off.

Speaker 2 Match, I just left. Match was horrible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think Match was

Speaker 2 the worst quality.

Speaker 2 Oh, God, Match is bad bumble is a great interface the problem is we pick on bumble the women so it might attract some feminine men who want to be get picked yeah i don't know and and i just feel like the job markets on these these apps are bad like in other words these guys aren't it's not like linkedin and he's a ceo yeah like they're just so low rent it's like i don't want to it's nothing i'm not faulting the apps i'm faulting the i i blush put me on and it's way too young for me i'm way too old

Speaker 2 it's like half the my age it's like but they've got these young guys coming at me. And I'm like, my assistant met someone on Blush that she liked, but she's 30.

Speaker 2 There's not a lot of apps. There's a lot more.
I'm going to give you one more thing. For app makers who are going to AI, there's a lot of room to make an app.
You know, I'd love to make my own app.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of room because there's

Speaker 2 a quality app. It's the same people over and over again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think they let anybody in there, like you said.
To me, it's like finding a diamond in the sand.

Speaker 2 Hopefully, they don't let Kanye West in there. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 They mine.

Speaker 2 Him and Bianca Siori swinging with swastikas on. I want to murder him.

Speaker 1 It's such chaos, right? Did you see the posterior?

Speaker 2 I cannot believe that NFL and

Speaker 2 I'm surprised. I love the NFL.
They made my show a hit. Why would the NFL and Fox allow that? Did somebody not screen it? I don't know.
And then Shopify

Speaker 2 just dropped them. And then we have a situation where the guy who owned American Apparel is the one who makes this stuff and he's Jewish.
So we're all like in shock right now.

Speaker 1 He's like just a terrible thing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they had a pop-up for the gap this week and they stopped it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as long as people keep giving him a platform to speak up. It's terrible.

Speaker 2 But that's an example of character. Like Kim is cringing in the corner right now because Chris's best friend, Shelly Azoff, is Jewish.
Like I'm sure like they have a million Jewish friends.

Speaker 2 But you want to look at the character of the person. Like stop looking at just like, how much money does he make? Is he good looking? Is it like, what kind of person is he?

Speaker 2 Was he with his exes, his ex-wife, his children,

Speaker 2 his mother, the waitress? Like, what's he like?

Speaker 1 No, I totally agree. I think you have to.

Speaker 2 Does he have a temper? How does he resolve conflict? Like, number one question I asked on a first date is, how do you resolve conflict?

Speaker 1 That's all right. It'll tell you.
That's a really deep question.

Speaker 2 It's a very telling question. And it'll, that's all right.
The guy's like, well, I first react by screaming.

Speaker 1 Well, he's like, well, you know, usually on first dates, second dates, everybody's like on their best behavior. These guys will say anything.

Speaker 1 like, right? They lie, they bullshit. It happens over and over.
I keep saying, like, just be real, be yourself.

Speaker 1 But in the first dates, they will try to like show you that they're the nicest guy in the world. So it's really hard to see past that.

Speaker 2 Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 It's really tough. So, other than the dating apps, what are your suggestions?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm a matchmaker. And

Speaker 2 matchmakers are the best.

Speaker 2 They're worth every penny. They can be quite expensive, 50 to 150 grand, but they are worth.
But that's okay.

Speaker 1 So So hold on. Let's because that was going to be a lot of money.

Speaker 2 You want rich men. You're going to have to pay

Speaker 1 you.

Speaker 2 It's between 50 and 50. No, mine, I'm like 85 to 250.
So I'm the leader in the match.

Speaker 2 Of course, you're the queen. And the industry has changed.
It's mostly women in the past.

Speaker 2 But women are the ones who are paying that.

Speaker 1 This is what I want people to listen to because we got questions about that all over the world.

Speaker 1 A lot of people and friends of mine as well, they try matchmakers.

Speaker 1 And if you guys go to YouTube to see my hands, my sign, the video, quote unquote, because there are so many girls out there that know nothing about matching. I fell for one lash.
I didn't pay, but

Speaker 1 I'll tell you the freaking story.

Speaker 2 I'm going to die of a heart attack. Who is it? No, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 But she, because this girl's like, I'm a matchmaker.

Speaker 2 I'm going to match you.

Speaker 1 And then they end up falling.

Speaker 2 Like, this person matched me.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you really quickly. This person matched me with a dude.
Turns out he didn't have a job. He was a big con artist.

Speaker 1 He started stalking me on social media writing crap about me and almost physically attacked me

Speaker 2 on the street and when i don't have that job i don't have that problem because

Speaker 2 well the reason is it's not is that where's wood i need but listen um

Speaker 2 when i told her about it

Speaker 1 she was she was like it's not my fault i'm never gonna match her don't contact me again she was mad at me because i mentioned to her that the guy was a psycho So a lot, it happens to a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Okay, now tell me who it is and edit it out. I will.
No, edit him out.

Speaker 2 Edit it out cat on the lose is not edited oh so it's 100 organic is the number one organic podcast in the world nobody edits the whole world i don't okay that's so but listen so a lot of people go to these cheaper matchmakers and they get horrible results and then they call oh i'm never going to use a matchmaker again and i say hence go to the top go to someone who has the top of their game as yourself so what would you say to someone out there that well you have to get certified we have the matchmakers institute of new york which is my ex-assistant which is like going to hob works and harvard harvard had a baby and i teach there so does my business partner bonnie winston and um you got to make sure like i've been in business for over 35 years i'm third generation i ran great expectations i mean i have a history oh my god you know like i don't have any problems like you don't see me in the news getting sued or whatever no and you would never match someone with some crappy asshole that you didn't veto before no because we only get really wealthy high-end super successful CEOs and, you know, entrepreneurs and people like that.

Speaker 2 We don't get people like that.

Speaker 1 And it's one of the most important decisions of your life.

Speaker 2 That's what I tell people. I mean, I can't take 150 grand from a woman and not screen the guy.
Like, that's crazy. I would be sued.
No, we don't do that.

Speaker 1 So go to the best. And can you explain the process? So let's say somebody says, because I have a lot of really wealthy guy friends that

Speaker 2 we do men and women and then we do gay and straight.

Speaker 1 So let's say somebody says, okay, I want to work with Patty. I want her to find me a husband, a wife, whatever.

Speaker 1 Can you explain the question?

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, we would come in and we would set up a Zoom or local, depending on where they lived.

Speaker 2 And then we would see if it's a fit on both sides, what they're looking for versus what we have and what we can do to go outside our database. We have the largest database in the business.

Speaker 2 There's nobody bigger than me globally.

Speaker 2 So the database is... I'm not just the United States.

Speaker 1 The database is people that might be a match to your clients.

Speaker 2 That are the non-millionaires.

Speaker 1 And how do you get on your data? Because maybe a lot of people cannot afford afford to be your client. How can they be on your data?

Speaker 2 They can just go to the website at millionairesclub123.com.

Speaker 1 Anybody can apply.

Speaker 2 Anybody can apply. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're not likely to get a date more than the clients get the date. Of course.
And I only take about 30 clients a year. I'm very strict on that.
That's I take it.

Speaker 2 And then if I can't find it for you or I don't feel we're a good fit, I will outsource you to one of my affiliate matchmakers who I work with.

Speaker 1 So, okay, but you do you approve obviously you don't approve everybody that wants to be on your database.

Speaker 2 No, database is like anybody can go in there, but once I go for screening process, if you don't, you know, if you do pull a stunt on something, now you're kicked out.

Speaker 1 How, can you give us an idea how you screen someone? Because I'm not sure if you can.

Speaker 2 I cannot give you my information because it's proprietary and

Speaker 2 my competitors are going to try to look at it. I do a little background thing that I do myself that I check to see if they're.

Speaker 2 I have ways of knowing if person's living.

Speaker 1 So all your clients are millionaires, like

Speaker 1 multi-millionaires. They're very peaky.

Speaker 2 And billionaires.

Speaker 1 A lot of billionaires. So they're very peaky.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you see Forbes 400 lists. I've got a lot of people.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So obviously the people on the list.

Speaker 2 And I've got a lot of A-list celebrities that you would know too.

Speaker 1 So I think that you should be as much as you possibly want to find in a partner yourself.

Speaker 1 Do you agree?

Speaker 2 To agree, but I mean, when a man is the alpha to a woman's beta, you know, it's a different energy. Like, it's all that energy, really.

Speaker 2 It's all about chemistry, compatibility communication you know consistency consistency is really key like you could deal i had one ceo i was dating and he was so inconsistent i was just like i have no patience he's like no woman has ever told me that that they wouldn't wait for me because of work and i went well this woman is you're not what i'm looking for i'd rather have somebody who makes less money and we have consistency and he wanted me to wait for him and i was like no i don't i don't really like you want you to wait for him to be ready for like so that when he his work eased up yeah and it wasn't like we started off and then his work happened it was like he started off a workaholic so it was turned me off because i work really hard too but i know priorities i know how to prioritize my time with my mate anyway this person was very famous in the news he was very nasty um he called i got fixed up through another matchmaker obviously because we all work together everybody wants to so you all know each other i mean i think they all aspire to be you

Speaker 2 i told the matchmaker what he did wrong and the matchmaker was like, but he's CEO of X. And this matchmaker was a male.
And I said, who cares? He treats women like shit. I next.
I agree.

Speaker 2 That's not exciting. And then once in a while, I get a phone call from him, and I just delete it.
Last time I blocked him. So how you treat someone is so much more important

Speaker 2 than his resume. Like, his resume is one thing, but if he treats women like crap, or women treating men like crap, same thing.
I agree. Or gay people.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 How you treat someone is really important.

Speaker 2 i completely agree for example i know one thing that women do a lot is like they're crazy late for a date because they think it's cool and that's latin very latiny but the latin community does that far ladies do that you have to you have to trick them and believe you i'm latin and i never make people wait for i'm like i'm earlier on time same my parents trained me that way same rude it's rude i agree i'm always i'm right there i'm very respectful for people all my i had a best friend from columbia when i lived in miami and i used to trick her every single time to come on time because we'd be waiting at the restaurant for her, and we couldn't get the table.

Speaker 2 And I said, I can't do this anymore. And it's so disrespectful.
And she'd be like, but I took care of my, she's like, Charlie, but I took care of my hair and I'm makeup. I'm like, who cares? I know.

Speaker 2 Who cares? Come in jeans and put eyeliner and lip gloss.

Speaker 1 Let's go. I agree.
But some women think, oh, the more the guy waits.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, this is such a bullshit game. Men don't like that.
Men don't like that. I get complaints on that.

Speaker 2 If a woman is late, she gets a probation, then she's thrown out of the club on the second time i love that because i'm like you i'm insanely punctual i'm insanely resistant clients wouldn't go for that but what what what i mean is like i think if you want somebody that is really fit you should be fit yourself if you want somebody you know what i mean like yeah you should have certain characteristics like like attracts like to a degree but there are plenty of women that don't hit the gym that the man does he's mr bodybuilder and she like you know goes and gets a massage or maybe has an hour of pilates like don't put yourself so strongly.

Speaker 2 Like, you have to get, you know, if you're rich, then you can only get rich. That's dumb.
Yeah, that doesn't matter. Men like women who really don't make very much money.

Speaker 2 They're actually the ones that get the most flavor. I think they're more intimidated by women in class, right?

Speaker 1 That work a lot. They're super successful.
I think that's harder.

Speaker 2 They don't like successful women. And this is a big problem.
They're intimidated by women's success, but they're falling behind economically. They don't have hustle.

Speaker 2 Now, you have to understand, scientifically, women use both sides of the brain, but they were never engineered to be the breadwinner.

Speaker 2 And eventually when they get to menopause, they crash into an autoimmune disease because they've overstressed their adrenals, which they weren't supposed to do because this whole, you can have it all.

Speaker 2 Oh, fry it up in a pan was this commercial back in the day when I was a kid. You know, I'm every woman, fry it up in a pan.
I can be rich. I can be successful.
I can make it from my kitchen table.

Speaker 2 And I can have four kids like Alec Bowman's wife. And I, and I, you know, and I can basically take care of my man at the same time and mother him.
And he's never going to leave me.

Speaker 2 And no, that's not really true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. But so if somebody's your client and they're paying, so how many dates you you try to match?

Speaker 2 You get unlimited dating for they find the right person. No, no.
You get unlimited dating for the period of the membership that you buy.

Speaker 2 Okay, and maybe a freeze period. Depends on what membership.
We have various different memberships.

Speaker 1 Okay, but what's normally the rate of matches that they get unlimited.

Speaker 2 Unlimited, but like I meant the percentage of people that you actually usually it's by the third person you meet is the one you end up with. Oh, really? Statistically, yeah.

Speaker 1 Any reason for that?

Speaker 2 No, it's just the way it's always, it's always been that way.

Speaker 1 But most people do find their matches.

Speaker 2 Yeah, unless they've changed sometimes, people change their style and then they just keep going through it, or they don't listen and they pick wrong.

Speaker 2 Other times, you know, they've been cheated on, they've had issues like that.

Speaker 2 But 99%, if they do, we have a system. If they do the system, they find love.
I never have a problem with that. Amazing.
That's not the least of my problem.

Speaker 2 The one complaint I get is you gave me too many choices of people and I don't know what to do. And can you help me narrow it down?

Speaker 1 They like more than one.

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I've given them too many choices in the course of their membership and they can't decide which ones they like because they like them all.
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Oh my God. What do you think about the sex?

Speaker 1 It's very controversial, right?

Speaker 2 I think means sex before monogamy, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what I want to say.

Speaker 2 It's not controversial, it's true.

Speaker 1 But you think that you shouldn't have sex after a few dates.

Speaker 2 No, sex before monogamy. He gives you monogamy in the first date, you can, but you're at risk.
The more time you spend with him without sex, the more his testosterone raises. This is science.

Speaker 2 Vasopressin kicks in. Vasopressin is him doing things for you,

Speaker 2 doing things together, solving problems.

Speaker 2 That's how a man falls in love. When a man falls in love through vasopressin, oxytocin kicks in, and that's when he falls in love.
He can't fall in love with oxytocin. We have sex.

Speaker 2 Oxytocin kicks in, we fall in love. He does not fall in love through sex.
He falls in love through doing.

Speaker 1 for you. So let's say you meet someone, you go on one date, two dates, three dates, you just keep going on dates until he says, I want to date you exclusively.

Speaker 2 He basically will hit on you at some point and you'll say, I am so sexually attracted. And by the way, this is all in my book, Become Your Matchmaker.
You can get it on Amazon.

Speaker 2 I'm super sexually attracted, but I'm just not the type of girl that sleeps around.

Speaker 2 Stop.

Speaker 2 Do not fill in the blanks. Do not mother him.
Do not give him a question.

Speaker 2 Let that awkward pause happen. And he'll be like,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 I really like you, he's going to say. And you're going to say, well, I don't feel safe, you know,

Speaker 2 unless I have exclusivity.

Speaker 2 And he's probably going to go, A, I thought we were exclusive because he assumed it. Or B, wait, I got to try the car before I buy it.

Speaker 2 If he says, I'll try to try the car before I buy it, he's not your guy. But 90% of the time, he'll say, I think we should try this exclusivity.
And then you say, what does exclusivity mean to you?

Speaker 2 And he's, and he'll explain, but exclusivity means we're only dating each other and we're only having sex with each each other okay doesn't mean you're getting married and at nine months then you'll negotiate marriage the man will know in six months probably by six months if you're the one so but how that's science by the way this is all science how many dates normally someone should go out with

Speaker 2 like you're acting like you're you're acting like it's one size spits off for every man you date every man is different the man that's really going to love you is going to take your time and let you feel safe.

Speaker 2 Eventually, you'll jump them. You'll go, I want it now.

Speaker 1 Okay. They're not going to pressure you.
I think it's a bad sign because most guys pressure women, you know, if a man pressures you, he's not your guide

Speaker 2 because he won't protect you after you get exclusive or when you're married. He's not interested in your protection.
He's only interested in his own self-pleasure. Yeah.
And you don't want that.

Speaker 2 You want a man that's interested in your pleasure. There are plenty of men who don't give a shit that a woman has an orgasm and could care less if he got her one.
Yeah, that's not good at all.

Speaker 2 And that's another thing. So you want to be with a man who puts you on the pedestal first.
You want princess treatment. Princess treatment is I demand princess treatment without even saying anything.

Speaker 2 It's just an energetic thing, which is saying, I deserve the best. You're going to wait if it takes a month or three months to have sex.
And you'll know when it's right. You'll know when it's right.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's a horrible thing. It's not when you get drunk and you fall down.
It's usually when you're sober. And it's usually when he's telling you how much he cares for you.
Go.

Speaker 1 Now, a lot of people ask, they see your fabulous TV shows. Now they're playing

Speaker 2 on Netflix. Minor matchmaking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've done so many. And I get this question a lot.
I'm sure people ask you all the time: is the petty that we see on TV? Because you're like, tough love.

Speaker 1 It's the same petty in real life.

Speaker 2 No, it's a character. Okay.
Look, I have TV.

Speaker 1 You play a little bit for TV.

Speaker 2 I have a work persona. And then when I hit my house, I like to relax.
I like to be in my sanctuary and I'm very feminine and very zen.

Speaker 2 I learned over the years how to switch from alpha to beta when I go through that door. I only attract, I only like alpha men.

Speaker 2 The minute a man, like I've had boyfriends where they start off alpha and then about six months in, they want to switch to beta and make you alpha. And I'm like, I'm out the door.
I'm always out.

Speaker 2 And if they don't get it, I'm out the door. I am total beta when I'm in a relationship.

Speaker 1 I'm exactly the same. I think because we are so much in charge when we are working, right? You're in charge, charge.

Speaker 1 I'm like always telling, but in my personal relationship, yeah, I want the guy to take charge for sure. But so, how is it working with you, not on TV, but like being your client and everything?

Speaker 2 It's the same kind of title.

Speaker 2 You have the room,

Speaker 1 you're more chill.

Speaker 2 No, I'm very chill. I don't scream, I don't yell at the clients.
I wouldn't have clients, but that's okay. No, I am.

Speaker 2 Look, we had 42 minutes to tell a story and get that thing moving, and it was like, go, go, go, go, go. That's how it is at Bravo.

Speaker 2 But in my real core business, I have plenty of time to work with them. And I work with them one-on-one.

Speaker 2 They have my personal cell phone number. They can call me anytime they want.
I pick up. Look, if I'm sleeping at two in the morning, the first thing I get up in the morning, I'll call them.

Speaker 2 Customer service is very important at the Millionaire's Club. My partner, Bonnie, and I, we are on it.
Most agencies, you do not deal with the owners. And we're very sweet, very compassionate.

Speaker 2 I have a gay client right now that I want. to, he's breaking my heart because he's not listening to me and he keeps making mistakes and I'm like, eventually you'll get it.

Speaker 2 But he calls me a lot and we counsel him a lot and I don't complain about it. That's, that's what you paid me for.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're you're also like some sort of therapist.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I don't want to say I'm a doctor because that's

Speaker 2 not correct.

Speaker 2 But I do a lot of healing modalities. I'm more of a healer, I would say.
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 And you kind of like tell them what needs to be done, right?

Speaker 2 right? Like, I don't know if it's rules, but

Speaker 1 you've been doing this for so long

Speaker 1 that you kind of know what the person should do if you want to be successful in waiting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have to

Speaker 2 give them guidance, but they don't always listen. It takes like sometimes it takes three strokes for them to get it.
It's like an addict, you know, they got to get help.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I recommend a therapist if they're very trauma-driven, which a lot of people are trauma-driven, as we know now.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you get a lot of narcissists because

Speaker 2 this is what it's like out in the business world. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they're very selfish. No one's ever said no to them.
So

Speaker 2 there's that too.

Speaker 1 So what's next for you?

Speaker 2 Well, I'm working on my real business. We just opened an office in Soho, and we're about to build Miami.
I'm very excited about that. I'm going to Miami in two weeks.
And we have an office in Soho.

Speaker 2 I merged with Bonnie Winston Matchmaking. So we are the leader in the industry.
We've the largest database. database um i'm writing a book on manifestation

Speaker 2 and um i'm up for some stuff that i can't really talk about because it's too i'd have to kill you

Speaker 1 oh my god please don't kill me yet it's such an honor having you i know a lot of people out there are saying i want to be on her database I'm sure you said you have the largest database.

Speaker 1 Go to Millionaire's Club.

Speaker 2 There's an S in it. Millionaire's Club.

Speaker 1 What are the chances that if we are in your database? I'm going to put myself there, by the way.

Speaker 2 There are millions of people in there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I volunteer.

Speaker 2 I can't, like, when a matchmaker does a search, you never know who's in there.

Speaker 1 There is no problem. So if you have a client in LA, let's say Kat is there, you're going to go through thousands and thousands of girls.
It's kind of like winning the lottery, right? Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1 Kind of like, but it's worth it.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's so much better to be a client.

Speaker 1 So much better. Yeah, if you have money, right? If you have money to spend.

Speaker 2 But no, I say to people like, okay.

Speaker 2 We had this client recently and he wanted to spend 35 grand in an investment fund. And I said, what if I told you with one of my, I have other matchmakers, not me.

Speaker 2 What if I told you I could get you that deal with a junior matchmaker for three months and you'd find love

Speaker 2 or you just have money? Yeah. And he was like hemming, talking to his investment banker, his lawyer, he was a little triage.
And he came back and he bought because he said, I'm so lonely in Florida.

Speaker 2 And now he's in love.

Speaker 2 I got it to him in the first month.

Speaker 2 Now he's madly in love. He's on the west coast of Florida, happy as a pig and shit.

Speaker 2 Three months with a junior matchmaker on my staff, and he's happy as forever.

Speaker 1 So there are different layers. It's not just

Speaker 1 you is the high.

Speaker 2 Most people want me.

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 2 But I've trained. I have

Speaker 2 you trained.

Speaker 1 What I say is, like I said in the beginning, don't fall for...

Speaker 1 Ask like the track record, look who you are working with before you complain.

Speaker 2 Well, there's a lot of lawsuits with the other matchmakers. Yes, and they don't look at it.

Speaker 1 And most of them are new in the business. They have no idea what the hell is that.

Speaker 2 Even the old ones don't work with the people direct. I do.
We don't take on that many. We take about 30 on a year.

Speaker 1 I always say like the cheap ends up being expensive and finding the right partner is probably the most important decision you're ever going to make in your life because I think it affects everything.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean we get like we have really young cute guns that are trust fund kids in their 20s and their mother will buy them a hundred grand membership

Speaker 2 and they're gorgeous and stunning and the mother wants them married by Tuesday. And I've had wedding planners go in there and help them.
Oh my God. Oh yeah.
I've had like anniversary planners.

Speaker 2 Like I've had party planners. I've had a lot of stuff that we outsource in the business.
And I had this trust one came two weeks ago and he was like, my mom bought this, but I don't want it.

Speaker 2 I said, okay, I'll just let it sit. And he calls me out two days later.
My girlfriend broke up with me.

Speaker 2 My mom didn't want me to marry her. That's why she bought it.

Speaker 2 I said, will you give me a chance? He's like, no, I don't believe in this, blah, blah, blah. Three weeks later, another phone call, four weeks later, finally six months later, he calls me.

Speaker 2 He goes, all right, I'm ready to use it. I've been beaten up

Speaker 2 in LA badly. Good looking kid.
I said, I have this perfect girl for you. She lives in Calabasas.
You live in Windland Hills. It's going to be a shitdach, like a match in Yiddish.

Speaker 2 And they're dating.

Speaker 2 And it was like the mother called me going, I'm planning the wedding. You're invited.
Oh, my God. Like, no, you're invited.
So it's like, and the guy's like, how does that work?

Speaker 2 And I said, well, I read vibration. I read energy.
Like you see on the millionaire matchmaker in the hot seat. And I just knew what you needed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You've been doing this a long time.

Speaker 2 I mean, he gave me the, he gave me like, you know, like Natalie Portman when she was young as his dream girl. And I just matched it.
You knew exactly.

Speaker 2 I matched that girl like to the T, like Jewish, the whole thing. I was like, this is the girl.
Yeah. Yeah.
I've had that where the guys called me.

Speaker 2 I had a billionaire once call me up and on his way back from Australia fishing trip and said, I want all these models. Cause I used to put the pictures on the website.
I don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 And I said, okay, I'll give you Mandy, Shmandy, and Sandy, but I have a girl that's a teacher, you know, that lives in Venice. I think you should go on one date.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 He's at the Beverly Hills Hotel in a bungalow. And in the back, he had this big bungalow.
And he's like, I say, I'll make a deal with you. I never let a girl go to a bungalow.

Speaker 2 You will, she'll go to it. You'll have coffee or tea and she'll be out in an hour.
And then I'll give you the models. Calls me right from the bungalow an hour after, said cancel all my date.

Speaker 2 She's the one he's married to her to this day

Speaker 2 and had three kids already and had another three kids with her. He's one of the biggest guys in the furniture business.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's the thing. A lot of these guys think like I have them.
I want them.

Speaker 2 He wasn't a gorgeous guy. She was adorable.
She was a Reese Witherspoon type and she was a teacher and she wanted kids. He already had three older teenagers.
She was like, I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 Yep. Happiest.
And they get a card from them every year.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. So for me, and I know a lot of my girlfriends, a lot of people out there listening, I'm definitely, unfortunately, cannot afford it yet, but it's on my bucket list.

Speaker 1 I'm going to make a lot of money, so I can't afford it. In the meantime, I'm going to put my name in the middle of the day.

Speaker 2 You know, you just from the podcast, like a guy slipping into your DMs or anything?

Speaker 1 Oh, my, all the time. But I'm kind of like super picky, like I said.
You know, I know exactly what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 You know, they're dating with intention. So they're like losing.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm like, I don't want to make the same mistake again. I'm really happy with my life.
I love it.

Speaker 2 Men are a problem. Yeah, so I'm like, men are work.

Speaker 1 I ask my non-negotiable questions, and if you don't fit that, I'm like, dude,

Speaker 2 because you already know what's going to happen. Yeah, I know.
But when we were younger, we didn't know. No, no, no.
So, like, the young girls. You go for a lot of shit.

Speaker 2 I mean, also, like, a lot of young girls like to experience a lot of different types. Now, I know what my type is.
I know what I want. And it's not, I'm not wasting time.

Speaker 1 I'm patiently waiting. I'm not desperate.
I'm not in a hurry.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if I can do it. Yeah, I took a

Speaker 2 you know, like, it was really interesting. I took a year and a half off since my last relationship and I met him on Tinder and I made a lot of and I made a lot of mistakes with him.

Speaker 2 And I needed to understand why my trauma was so triggered because my dad was an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 My mother normalized the crazy in my house. Like I didn't realize how she normalized it.
So I didn't go to traditional therapy. I went to, I did this thing called spiritual response therapy.

Speaker 2 It changed my life.

Speaker 2 The clarity that comes from doing this therapy, I went to a healer who's part of srt that's the way they do it they use pendulums and charts and they do it while you're sleeping and i wouldn't believe this thing would work because talk therapy was it was never helped me and um

Speaker 2 it's like it's okay you can wait like it's where's the rush where's the fire exactly like most people are like you go to dinner and your friends are like what's wrong with you how come you're dating i have friends that have dropped me because i'm not interesting enough because i won't you know like they'll say like oh you're not dating anyone.

Speaker 2 What's wrong with you? Like, I think. And I thought

Speaker 1 that is because they're jealous of you.

Speaker 2 I was like, I'm taking a break.

Speaker 2 Because they lived vicariously through me. And I was, I have nothing to talk about anymore.
Yeah. Because I'm taking, I'm just like Zen.
I'm totally

Speaker 1 exactly the same. I'm at this point in my life.
I'm like, you know, I'm so chill about it. I don't want any bullshit.

Speaker 2 It's like if you don't come through that door ready-made, I'm not, I'm not dating potentially. Which is kind of funny.

Speaker 1 It's not to

Speaker 1 wait and know what we want, right?

Speaker 2 It's so. Well, I mean, and the thing is, I have other times.

Speaker 2 I have one of my ex-boyfriends asked me to marry him recently, and I have another ex-boyfriend that popped up from Miami.

Speaker 2 It's like, I think because Venus is going retrograde, I've got all these exes coming back. Even my ex from a year and a half ago contacted me, and we started talking.
So I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I need new, new. Where's the new? So like planting the seeds.

Speaker 2 I'm writing a book on manifestation, which

Speaker 2 is different than all the other things.

Speaker 2 It does have science. I am a big fan.
You should have Dr. Stewart on your show.
Have you had her on? No. Oh, my God.
She's so cheap. I will definitely try.
She is the queen of manifestation.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 I'm all about manifestation. She wrote the book called The Source.

Speaker 2 And it's based on science.

Speaker 1 I will definitely.

Speaker 2 And she's

Speaker 2 British Indian. She's fantastic.
I follow her like religion. And

Speaker 2 she's just one of the best. Like,

Speaker 2 like Marissa Pierre also is hypnotherapist, one of my best friends. She's like one of the Mind Valley people.
But she told me that the brain only knows what's familiar.

Speaker 2 So, if you keep telling the brain, you know, you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, you're not this enough, because we live in LA where everybody's not enough. And we get that.

Speaker 2 It's like you go to dinner with someone who's so insecure, and you go home and you're like, you want to take a shower because you feel so gross. And you're like, I don't understand what just happened.

Speaker 2 That person was siphoning off your energy as an empath.

Speaker 2 And so she talks about that, how to protect yourself, how to build the cone of self-esteem in your brain so that you wouldn't, nobody lower than your frequency comes in.

Speaker 2 So if your frequency is really high, you don't want to date someone at a lower frequency because they're going to pull you down.

Speaker 2 As my grandmother would say, healthy cannot date unhealthy unless they want to become unhealthy to you.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, 1 million%.

Speaker 2 That's my grandmother's line. I love that.
And it's so important to look at the frequency of who you're talking to, not just in love, but in work, friendship, even family members.

Speaker 2 If the frequency is not right, you don't want to go to Thanksgiving. I'll give you an example.
Jesse Waters, who's, you know, the, I won't call him a name. You can look him up on Fox.

Speaker 2 Well, he was a big Republican, probably in the wrong way, because there's good Republicans and there's bad Republicans. There's good Democrats and there's bad Democrats.
I'm not a Republican.

Speaker 2 I'm an Independent.

Speaker 2 But anyway, his mom didn't want him a Thanksgiving dinner this year. And he didn't understand why.
It's his mother. Well, he was doing horrible things.

Speaker 2 And the mother's like, I can't have you lower my frequency. I love that.
I thought that was amazing. Like, oh, my God, that was fun.

Speaker 2 But that is so important. But, like, we don't do that.
Like, I moved a thousand miles away from my father because he was an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 And he was trying to be a little bit more than a huge mom's an alcoholic. Right.

Speaker 2 And it freed me. Yeah.
So, like, think about that in love.

Speaker 2 Why are you dating someone just to get sex?

Speaker 1 Get a vibrator. Oh, my god, 1 million percent.
Thank God you're saying that because you have to protect your energy, your sex is not a good thing.

Speaker 2 The minute that guy gets inside of you, he will siphon off your energy. Same thing with a woman, same thing with gay people or trans.
It doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 2 Anybody that gets inside of you, or you get inside them,

Speaker 2 it's energy. You are to, if their energy is not clean and above board, and they haven't scrubbed it good or done the work on themselves, you're going to feel like crap after a while.

Speaker 2 1 million percent. And of course they'll do the snafuy and they'll pull away.

Speaker 1 No, I thank God you're saying all these things because I hope people listen from you.

Speaker 2 You need to get

Speaker 2 only like Mel Robbins talks about it. Mel Robbins book, like her book recently, Let Um is great.
Like all these people are teaching you to be

Speaker 2 to be the queen, not the princess, the queen. When the queen is looking for a mate, everybody comes to royal court and she decides.

Speaker 2 Like that's what you want you want to have quarters and say no and if your energy is high if your vibration is high if you know what you deserve i think you started like you said you only get the love attractive okay the line before we end is the only you only get the love you think you deserve love it only get the love you think take download that download that on your computer because if you don't think you deserve it

Speaker 2 i hope you made everybody feel better about valentine and i'd rather you stay home and watch funny movies and laugh and sing and eat pizza than go out and feel bad about yourself that you don't have a mate.

Speaker 2 It's only one day. It doesn't mean shit.
Thank you. I love it.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I love the story of St. Do you know the story of St.
Valentine?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 You know that story?

Speaker 1 I don't know if I know that story.

Speaker 2 Okay, tell me

Speaker 2 the story. St.
Valentine was a priest during the Crusades and nobody was allowed to get married because the king needed all the men for his.

Speaker 2 you know, his crusade. And when he was doing the crusades and the wars, the men would jump ship, go ate well back to to their families.
So he said, no marriage. Well, St.

Speaker 2 Valentine, being a priest, thought that was wrong. So he married people in secret and got caught.
And they threw him in jail. And he was about to be killed.
And the warden's daughter was blind.

Speaker 2 And she came down to give him the food. And he touched her eyes.
And she had miraculous seeing. And the warden was trying to stop the whole thing, but he couldn't.

Speaker 2 And right before he died, he fell in love with the warden's daughter. He wrote her a note and it said, Valentine at the end, Love you dearly, blah, blah, blah.
That's why we write letters.

Speaker 2 It's Valentine's Day. He dies, and the church made him a saint.
Saint Valentine's Day. That's the nice.
No one's ever made a movie on that. Is that wild? That'd be a great movie.

Speaker 1 That's a big, fabulous movie. You should pitch it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Calling Steven Spiller. You should pitch it.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Milo. Or Martin Scrocer.

Speaker 1 I love you. You're so inspiring.
It's such an honor having you here.

Speaker 2 Thank you very much for having me. But I hope, like girls, boys, anybody who doesn't have love, my mama says, all you need is one and done, and you never know when it's going to show up.

Speaker 1 And don't settle.

Speaker 2 Don't settle. Yeah, don't settle.

Speaker 2 Don't settle for the wrong one. Better to be alone than have a project that never ends, that drains the crap out of you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and by the way, you look fabulous.

Speaker 2 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 You looked beautiful when I saw you last time three years ago, but you look even more beautiful. You look fabulous.
Very skinny. Don't lose more white.

Speaker 2 No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 I went on GLP pterazeptide. I think that's how you say it.
But you look at it. Because of cholesterol.
It lowers your cholesterol. And you don't have to go on statins.
And I feel fabulous.

Speaker 2 You look fabulous. I'm at the lowest dose, like maintenance.
Amazing. Yeah, but I can eat.
I had pasta last night.

Speaker 2 What I like about it is you get to eat whatever you want and you don't have to worry about it. And I'm gluten-free, sugar-free, dairy-free, and I don't drink.

Speaker 2 I don't do drugs or drinks. I'm like clean.
I'm an Airwan.

Speaker 2 Anybody in California knows how to do it? Did you get your Air One's neck in the car?

Speaker 1 What? Did you get your Air One gift bag in the car?

Speaker 2 It was an Airwan gift bag with the Perry in it.

Speaker 1 I left you. I brought you this little

Speaker 1 Air One organic viscottis because it's like one of my favorite treats.

Speaker 2 I am an air one girl since the day it open in Venice, and I just eat clean and I cook clean.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thank you so much, Milo. It was such an honor having you guys.
Self-love first.com.

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Speaker 1 Millionaires club123.com. There's an SCP.
I'm going to put the link here. I'm going to put the links on this episode.

Speaker 1 If you're listening to the audio episode, make sure you go to Carondale's show on YouTube so you can see her gorgeous face and be inspired to find love.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 It was such an honor. Thank you.

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