Men of Action with Michael Sartain

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Speaker 5 My guest today, Michael Sartain, is a very dynamic guy. He had a military career as a KC-135 navigator in the Air Force.
He transitioned into event hosting in Las Vegas.

Speaker 5 He does his own podcast and he started a company called Men of Action.

Speaker 5 He says it's to teach students a program focusing on social networking, leadership, mindset. But mostly he's teaching guys how to be better at the dating game, how to attract more women.

Speaker 5 Some of his videos are very controversial, but he has some really, really good points and some very doable, practical ideas, very interesting conversation with the very outspoken Michael.

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Speaker 5 Michael, welcome to Kat on the Lewis. Thank you for doing this.

Speaker 3 Hey, of course, man. This is awesome.

Speaker 5 You have a very successful podcast yourself. So first of all, congratulations.
I really enjoy listening to it.

Speaker 3 I appreciate that. Yeah.
It was

Speaker 3 touch and go in the beginning.

Speaker 3 You have a couple of threats in the middle there.

Speaker 3 Then people kept telling me I was wrong. And then eventually they became fans.

Speaker 5 It's funny, right? Because when we start a podcast, people think it's easy to get. to the point where we are, but it's an uphill battle, right?

Speaker 3 It is. I would say I had Orion Terraban on this week.
His episode came out today. And one of the things he's talking about is it's like two years.

Speaker 3 If you do research, it's about two years before you can really break in, especially with YouTube, where you start getting a lot of traction. And I still think that that's probably the best place.

Speaker 3 I would put YouTube up ahead of Spotify and Apple Podcasts right now, but I think they're all important. But yeah, man, you just have to stick with it for a couple of years, I think.
Totally.

Speaker 3 100 episodes, I think.

Speaker 5 Totally agree with you. It took me a little more than two years, but here we are.
So you're the

Speaker 5 CEO of this company you call M-O-A-Mentoring, Mentoring, right? Man of Action. So for people who don't know you, my audience, let's explain, first of all, what does it mean, man of action?

Speaker 5 How did you come up with it?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So the reason why I have, why I came up with that name is it was probably, I want to say fall of 2019. I was on a group call with a bunch of a different coach.
And I was joking.

Speaker 3 I was like, man, if I'm so sick of watching these self-help coaches telling people to like feel good about themselves and, you know, burn a fucking candle and look in the mirror and say, you know, affirmative aspirations or whatever.

Speaker 3 I was like, I want to take action.

Speaker 3 It's like, I think the best way for a man to feel good about himself is to get a new bench press max to make some money to provide for his family and to accomplish goals with other men.

Speaker 3 So I instead, if I ever make a course, I'm going to call it men of action. And the other guy was on the call.
He's like, bro, you need to copyright that. That's a perfectly, that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 we came up with the name Men of Action. And basically, I took, you know, all the data, the mistakes, and the lessons that I learned over the last 25 years.

Speaker 3 So I was coaching coaching for free basically from 2008 to 2019. So for 11 years, but my journey probably started 2000, 2001.

Speaker 3 I used to work in nightlife and it was just kind of like seeing the dynamic of like who the cool kids were, where the wealth was stored, what women were attracted to. I joined the military in 2004.

Speaker 3 It took me about two years to get in. After 9-11, there were so many people trying to get to join the military.
I got in

Speaker 3 February of 04, and I was in there for seven years. And during that time, time, I learned about leadership.
I've learned about responsibility. I learned about the importance of communication.

Speaker 3 So and then and then I ended up moving to Las Vegas in 2011. And I've been in Las Vegas for the last 13 years.

Speaker 3 And in that place, that's where, again, I see like Las Vegas is the best status experiment that I've ever seen in the entire world. I agree with you.

Speaker 5 But let's go by parts. Okay.
I definitely want to talk about the Las Vegas scene. I saw some videos that you made there.

Speaker 5 I agree with a bunch of stuff you said, but I'm a little, I'm not sure about all this. So what is a man of action is a guy that

Speaker 5 are you talking about building relationships are you talking about the guy that gets all the chicks because the guys out there have a massive i have a really good male audience sure so in your eyes what is the man of action

Speaker 3 it's it's interesting catherine if you ever come on one of our calls you know how zoom you can put 49 guys on the screen at the same time yeah so on my calls i usually have around a hundred guys live and maybe about another thousand guys that'll watch after the the group group calls.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 And when we do that, what you'll see is black people, Asian people, Hispanic people, there's absolutely a complete, totally, a total distribution of people from Africa, people from Jamaica, all over the place.

Speaker 3 And the reason why is because the things that I discuss in my course are ubiquitous to Homo sapien men, a struggle for status and a struggle for higher sexual selection.

Speaker 3 So when you ask the question, what is a man of action? A man of action is basically, it's derived from your ancestors.

Speaker 3 Your ancestors 50,000 years ago during the Pleistocene, the ones who were the most productive were the ones who had access to the most

Speaker 3 resources. They're the ones who had access to the most women to breed with, to have children with.
They're the ones who had the most offspring. They're the ones who had the most fruitful lives.

Speaker 3 And so throughout history, men who were productive and men who solved problems were the ones who were rewarded with the most.

Speaker 3 And so what I try to teach in my course is access to scarce resources, showing this on social media, access to scarce resources, competency, relevancy, and showing high status.

Speaker 3 And I teach you the skill sets of networking, communication, leadership, and dating. Dating is actually the last thing I teach.

Speaker 3 A lot of people, they think it's the first thing. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 When we see your videos, you talk a lot about like, and actually, I think it's one of the first things on your website.

Speaker 5 When we open the website, you have like a phrase, well, I will teach you how to have my lifestyle, something like that.

Speaker 3 Not the exact words, and how to be surrounded by beautiful women without spending any money and you've talked a lot about the beautiful women the beautiful women on your videos so but that's not all you you're trying to teach them so kevin the funny thing is if you go back and watch the video i show a lot of beautiful women i only mentioned beautiful women one time during the video it's a trick it's like it's some people tell me this all the time so basically what we did as far as marketing is concerned for those of you who are in marketing you probably already know this There's certain things you can't sell on meta ads.

Speaker 3 Like, for instance, you can't sell a crypto course. You cannot sell a pickup dating course.
So, So what we did was we took the word dating completely out of the course.

Speaker 3 And what we talk about is high status networking. But while I'm talking about high status networking, you see a lot of beautiful women and none of it's stock footage.

Speaker 3 All of the footage that you see comes from my real life.

Speaker 3 And that's the reason why it's been so pervasive when we just crossed 1,600 members in the program is because they come, they see, they maybe come on one of the free calls.

Speaker 3 They see that everything I'm saying is true. We have 200 video testimonials on the website.
And then at the end of that, they're like, okay, I understand these concepts.

Speaker 3 Catherine, here's one of the things that's very difficult for a lot of people to comprehend for men, especially because men are very concerned with status, more so than women are.

Speaker 3 Men at the highest levels of dating and men in the highest levels of business, they're actually doing the same thing. There's a great book by Orrin Claff called Pitch Anything.

Speaker 3 And in the book, he talks about concepts like eliminate neediness. He talks about avoid beta behavior.
This is a business book, but he's talking about dating concepts in a business book.

Speaker 3 Another great book like this is The $100 Million Dollar Offer by Alex Ramose.

Speaker 3 If you read that book and just consider it, just like from a dating perspective, have an offer so good that people would feel stupid for telling you no, that's where these concepts come from.

Speaker 3 And so, and I talked to Austin Dunham about this and several other people, Rollo Tomasi,

Speaker 3 you'll talk to Justin Walrow, they'll say the same thing: is that these guys understand that at the highest level of like persuasion, the highest level of goal-oriented communication, and the highest level of like dating the most amazing women, it's the same type of communication.

Speaker 3 And where does that all come from? Again, it comes from our

Speaker 5 when people see your videos, like me, for example,

Speaker 5 you, I think you're a publicist, whoever reached out to us to have you on the show. I'm like, okay, let me check it out.
And I looked, I'm like, yes, I definitely want to talk to this guy.

Speaker 5 He's obviously very intelligent. You speak extremely well, and you do the very powerful videos, which I completely agree.
I think it's a fantastic idea.

Speaker 5 And then, like, for example, you show this nightclub and you say, oh, I worked on, and like I was saying to you before we got started, I had a house in Las Vegas for 15 years. I know the scene.

Speaker 5 I was married to a multi-millionaire. So I know the whole story.
But you talk about even your experience. You went to the club and you look at the dude.

Speaker 5 Then you're like, I want to know who is this guy that there's a bunch of women surrounding that guy.

Speaker 3 Now, I'm a woman.

Speaker 5 I know, that's my opinion. And you tell me if you disagree.
The guy that is usually in that club, maybe he's rich, but I don't think it's like a high-value guy. Maybe it's a man of action guy.

Speaker 5 I have many questions embedded in this question because I've been in the clubs. I know the scene.
And the same thing with the women.

Speaker 5 Like, of course, successful men want to be surrounded by beautiful girls. I agree.
But 99% of those girls, they're also not high-value women. They want free champagne.
They want free dinner.

Speaker 5 They want a sugar daddy.

Speaker 5 They want to, you know, create content for their social media. Very, very rarely you will see like high value, really successful people in this scenario.

Speaker 3 Okay, good point. So for Catherine, the first thing is with the whole nightclub stuff, the reason why I take men to nightclubs is not because they need to find their wife in a nightclub.

Speaker 3 The reason why I take them to nightclubs is because nightclubs are harder.

Speaker 3 Catherine, there's this issue where women generally don't have approach anxiety when it comes to approaching men, but men have a horrible, debilitating approach anxiety when it comes to talking to women.

Speaker 3 And so this is something that we try to work through through what we call immersion. In fact, our course is called Vegas Immersion, our real life course is called that.

Speaker 3 And you're absolutely right about what you're saying before, but there are a couple of other issues.

Speaker 3 Number one, while you may think that 99% of those women aren't high-value, if you ask 99% of the high-value women you met, have you ever been to a nightclub? Have you ever seen Tiesto?

Speaker 3 Have you ever gone out in Vegas and had a good time? They're all going to tell you yes.

Speaker 5 No, I completely agree with you. Like I said, I did it for, and I still do it every now and again.
I went to F1,

Speaker 5 I did CTS, all that good stuff. I to To this day, I completely agree.
But in general, like you said on one of your videos, there was a bunch of girls around O.J. Simpson, right?

Speaker 5 And you were like, holy shit. And then there's a bunch of girls around some other dude.

Speaker 5 By the way, by the way, hold on.

Speaker 3 Catherine, the girl that was around OJ, you remember when I said, do you want to go meet the juice? She's a PhD. A girl was a PhD who actually went to go.

Speaker 5 But that's the exception.

Speaker 3 So, so we keep, but the thing is, we keep saying it's the exception, but at some point we come to the realization that human beings are attracted to certain things.

Speaker 3 With men, it has to do a little bit more with physical features. And with women, it has a man's ability to procure status and resources more so than it does with his physical features.

Speaker 3 But the whole point of it, like what you say, I understand the nightclub part. A lot of people give me this criticism.
They're like, Mike, well, I don't want to meet a girl in a nightclub.

Speaker 3 I don't blame you for not wanting to meet a girl in a nightclub. That's not my point.
My point is, if I take you to an environment and you're a man, And Catherine, this is a uniquely male experience.

Speaker 3 If I take you to a nightclub and you're a man I take you in there and it's really loud and there's good looking guys and they're rich guys around and there's a woman there and you feel this fear to talk to her.

Speaker 3 You getting over that fear to speak to her and talking loud enough to where she can hear you in a nightclub, when I take you back to like coffee or a fucking brunch or going meeting a girl at a professional conference like CES, because you work through that approach anxiety in a very, very high paced, high stimulus environment, then when I put you in the easy environment, it's very simple.

Speaker 3 An example would be, let's just say, I mean, let's say if you've seen guys fight in MMA, when they train to fight an MMA, they don't fight

Speaker 3 a guy against, they don't spar against a guy for three rounds.

Speaker 3 What they'll do is they'll spar against one guy in the first round, and then they'll bring another guy in, and he'll fight in the second round, and another guy in, they'll bring him in the third round.

Speaker 5 Listen, I totally agree with you, Mike. I talk about it on my podcast all the time that I think men are very intimidated by saying hello in public.
My girlfriend's thinking.

Speaker 3 So we got to get them over that. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 We've done a million experiments.

Speaker 5 i actually had this episode a while ago you probably would laugh a girlfriend of mine said let's walk around carrying something really really bizarre because it's gonna break the ice so we dressed up like looking super fabulous and we were walking around like the hottest places all over beverly who's carrying a plunger

Speaker 5 And then when we walked inside the bars carrying a plunger, all of a sudden, all the guys came and it worked because it broke the ice and it made them talk to us because you're right in general the guys like staring at you the whole night but they don't approach you and a lot of women get frustrated with that but i and it's not criticism i'm just trying to understand like when when a guy's in your cars and you say yeah i'm gonna take you to the the nightclub or i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that

Speaker 5 You talked a lot about women, women, women in general. Is this like, do you really think that's what most men like want? They just want to have a bunch of women around.

Speaker 3 So, Catherine, here's the irony, right? I kind of go where my market takes me. So, I talk a lot about self-help stuff.
I also talk about astrophysics. I talk about aliens.
I have a degree.

Speaker 3 I have a minor. I studied astronomy in college.
I talk often about politics and I talk off about general self-help. I talk often about how to get through books very quickly.

Speaker 3 And those videos don't go very viral, Catherine. They just don't.
But when I talk about the differences between men and women, it's incredibly controversial. And the algorithm eats it up.

Speaker 3 And people come into my funnel. And when they do, then they see what the rest of the course is about.

Speaker 3 Catherine, if I sat there and I was like, I'm going to teach you how to be a great leader, no one buys the course. They just don't.

Speaker 3 Because most people who aren't good leaders aren't aware that they're bad leaders. But if I'm like, hey, listen, this is a dream life and I show them pictures of it.

Speaker 3 If you'd like to live something similar to this, come join me. And when they join, I make them read books on leadership.
I'm selling them what they want, but teaching them what they need.

Speaker 3 And every guy who's gone through my course at the end comes back and says, man, I didn't know what I didn't know. And thank you for kicking my ass and taking me down this path.

Speaker 3 Because if I didn't do that, then no no one else would do it it's just like if you see us marines they'll sit there in their dress blues afterwards and all the girls are like fawning over them these guys are like okay i'm going to join the marine corps because that's what the girls like and it and they do it but that's the way you join the marine corps you join the marine corps because you have pride in your family and your country that's why you do it right and in the end the marines teach you discipline And so that's, that's essentially what's going on here is that I have to, there's a bunch of guys that have ADHD.

Speaker 3 They're just looking at boobies. They don't know what they're doing in their life.
And I take those guys and I'm like, hey, men, you're still good men. I'm going to teach you some accountability.

Speaker 3 I'm going to teach you some networking. I'm going to teach you communication.
I'm going to teach you leadership. And I will teach you about dating too.

Speaker 3 Now, I'm going to tell you, Catherine, most of the questions I do get are about dating. And that's not by design.

Speaker 3 It's just men, when you deal with men, the majority of their frustration, if you ask me, Michael, how do I fix my sales funnel? It's not controversial.

Speaker 3 I'm going to give you a step-by-step way to fix a sales funnel. Michael, how do I keep my sales team happy? That's not controversial.
I can give you step-by-step instructions on how to do that.

Speaker 3 Michael, what do I do when my girlfriend keeps thinking that I'm cheating and and I'm not cheating? That's a complicated question, Catherine. And that takes a while for me to answer.

Speaker 3 And when I answer that question, everyone's ears perk up and they want to hear the answer. So just because it's like, it's just the way of the world.

Speaker 3 When I talk about all these different subjects, the one that gets the most engagement. is the one when I talk about intersexual dynamics or yeah, no, and look, like I said, I totally agree.

Speaker 5 I've been doing cat on the loose for almost four years now. And I do realize, and I do get messages from men all over the world, that dating for a lot of guys is a challenge.

Speaker 5 They don't know how to approach women, they don't know what to say, they're very timid, they're very shy, they're afraid of rejection.

Speaker 5 So, anybody out there listening that has not taken your classes yet, that maybe is not a man of action, would you give us maybe like one easy?

Speaker 5 Is there an easy quick first step to like break the ice or not be so shy?

Speaker 5 Because women, I speak for myself, and most of my girlfriends, and most of the people interview my podcast, we like when men are direct and come to us and talk i get completely turned off by you know shy men i want men of action sure so

Speaker 5 is there a first step to becoming

Speaker 3 if you survey women in brazil and you survey women like millennials in the northwest part of the united states their answers are completely different oh yeah women in brazil and i've talked to women in brazil and i've seen surveys they like it when men are direct and come up and talk to them women who live in like massachusetts or live in oregon they think that men coming up and talking talking to them constitutes sexual harassment.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. It's the reason it's this gap in ideology that causes the problem.
And men become more and more afraid to approach because of the way that they're going to be perceived on social media.

Speaker 3 I'm sure you've seen these videos where guys are like walking by a girl who's like in the gym. And then and then she takes a video.
It's like, why are you staring at me?

Speaker 3 And the guy obviously did nothing wrong. And everyone in the comments is like, girl, what are you doing? He did nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 It's because this generation is just not interested in men coming up and talking talking to them. But you asked a question, like, how do you get over this anxiety?

Speaker 3 How do you come up and talk to somebody? My answer is, I go up and talk to women like I go up and talk to men, exactly the same way.

Speaker 3 And when I do, I usually have some kind of value proposition, an offer. And what I mean by an offer is, hey, we're going to raise money for animal rescue next Thursday.

Speaker 3 Wondering if you'd like to join us. I have a buddy of mine.
He likes to go wakeboarding. He goes, hey, he sees a girl.
He's like, hey, you seem cool. We're going to go wakeboarding on Thursday.

Speaker 3 Do you want to come with us? So it's always an offer. He does what he calls an invite opener.

Speaker 3 And then the other opener that I really like, Catherine, this this is one of my favorite ones, is to make content with someone. So one of them is, hey, guys, we're going to make a funny YouTube video.

Speaker 3 Jump in. And you'd be shocked.
You're like, every time I've done it, it works. Another one that I've seen are man on the street videos.
You know that old Paktua girl? You remember?

Speaker 3 You know how the guy comes up to her on the street?

Speaker 3 I teach my guys just take two iPhones, walk around the street, and just start interviewing girls and asking them questions, like interesting intersexual dynamic questions.

Speaker 3 who cheats more men or women? You know, what do you think about the election? Just real con. And then the girls just start talking.
And what have you done? You've introduced yourself to somebody.

Speaker 3 And then at the end, what do you think the girl does? She goes, hey, can I get your social media? Hey, I'll get your number. So by doing that, you've gotten over that initial fear.

Speaker 3 So I either like to use social media to do an opener or I like to,

Speaker 3 I like to have like an invite opener. Hey, we're going to go do this thing afterwards.

Speaker 3 A great one is, hey, we got a table over here. Do you guys want to come over? We got too much alcohol.
I do this all the time. It's like, hey, guys, we got too much alcohol.

Speaker 3 You guys want to come over here and hang out? And I'm like literally walking away while I'm saying it. And the girls are like, yeah, let's go over there.

Speaker 5 Well, but like you said, you know, yeah, of course, you, I mean, you're in Vegas, it's a party place, and I really believe my experience from being 15 years in Las Vegas, most girls are there to party, and a lot of them want free booths, free dinner, free champagne, free disc, for that.

Speaker 5 Like, not just in Las Vegas, by the way. If you go to West Hollywood, it's the same.
You go to Miami, it's the same. Any party city, it's the same.

Speaker 5 There's always a lot of girls when men offer free stuff. That's what they want.
So, yeah, it's an easy opening line.

Speaker 5 Now, how about the guys that are not interested, you know, in the girls that want freebies, the guys that are interested in the girl that, you know, want to like them for them?

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, the problem that happens, Catherine, there's this horrible movie that came out several years ago called Hitch, starring Will Smith.
And Hitch taught men how to make one girl like them.

Speaker 3 And that is terrible, terrible. terrible fucking advice.
You want to make all girls like you. You want to figure out a way.

Speaker 3 Like, again, if I go to the gym and get in better shape, I don't do it so one girl likes me. I go, I do it because I have more options and more women like me.

Speaker 3 I don't, I groom my face so that more women find me attractive.

Speaker 3 I speak in a more, in a deeper tone and I speak and I try to sound more educated when I speak because I want more girls to find me attractive.

Speaker 3 This idea that I just want the good girls to like me, you are the guy who ends up marrying the wrong woman and she ends up taking out.

Speaker 5 Why are you saying that? I mean, I'm sorry. Like, if you, if you're doing all these actions because you want a bunch of women to like you, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I said, Catherine.

Speaker 3 I didn't say I want to date a bunch of women.

Speaker 5 No, I didn't say date. I said,

Speaker 5 that's what I said. I said you want a bunch of women to like you, to be attracted to you.
Maybe you are and you're single. Are you single?

Speaker 3 No, no, I have a girlfriend. We've been together for coming up on two years.

Speaker 5 Okay, so you're not in this headspace anymore, right? That you were.

Speaker 3 I am. I actually think how does she feel about that? Like, I'm I again, one more time.
Me going to the gym. I'm not going to the gym to make women attracted to me.

Speaker 3 I'm doing it because it makes me feel better. But when I do so, women are more attracted to me.
Me too.

Speaker 5 Of course, it's like anybody, right? The more we take care of ourselves, I always say that the world sees us from the outside in.

Speaker 3 Correct, Catherine, but you said the good girls and the bad girls. And my thing.

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Speaker 3 He is, I need men to stop worrying about the good girls and the bad girls.

Speaker 3 You need to stop making this differentiation because what it does is it causes men to become hyper-judgmental, which is not attractive. What they need to do is become attractive to all women.

Speaker 3 It's the Catherine, it's the guy who like, I host a panel show and guys will be in the comments while I'm hosting me. It's me, it's me and Rollo and like eight other girls.
And we're doing interviews.

Speaker 3 And the guys in the comments will be like, she's a slut. And my whole thing is like, if she's a slut and she won't sleep with you, what does that say about you, bro? That means you're a fucking loser.

Speaker 3 My whole thing is these guys, instead of Catherine, when they start saying, I want a good girl or a bad girl, they're using that as a cope, as a shield to shield themselves from rejection.

Speaker 3 What they really need to do is become attractive to all women. Because again, if we're all descended from a few people, like again, we're descended from 60,000 people that lived 100,000 years ago.

Speaker 3 We're all descendants of this small tribe of Obisapians. It would make sense that we'd all be attracted to similar things in

Speaker 3 our intersexual dynamics. So what I want men to do is understand female attraction triggers, not good girl triggers, not bad girl triggers.

Speaker 3 And then the other thing I want to say just, you know, you have Iron Man and you have Captain America. Iron Man is kind of an asshole.
He kind of like talks a little shit.

Speaker 3 Captain America is like the ultimate good guy, super good looking, always there to save the needy, right? But they're both attracted to women. This is the good guy.
This is the all-American, right?

Speaker 3 This is Cristiano Ronaldo. This is the all-American guy right here.
All right, this is the, I know Cristiano Ronaldo is not American, but and this guy, and this guy right here is

Speaker 3 a bartender. Both of these archetypes are attracted to women.
We need to stop thinking as men to just be attracted to good women. That doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 The ozone, if you think that you're going to go to church and you're just going to find a good woman by being a good man, get ready for this country's 56%

Speaker 3 divorce rate.

Speaker 3 You are going to be taken for a fucking ride by your wife. Listen to me, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 You need to, again, I have a lot of clients who are deeply religious and they don't want to sleep with a bunch of women. I have no problem with that.

Speaker 3 What I tell them is you need to have a bunch of women be attracted to you.

Speaker 3 You need several women to at least propose the idea of being in a relationship with you before you jump into a relationship with the first good girl you meet. Michael.

Speaker 3 If you do that, you're going to end up in disaster. Okay.

Speaker 5 So now, do you think the man of action is a high-value man? Do you think it's the same thing thing or not every man of action is a high value man?

Speaker 3 So here's the thing with high value, because there's a great book by Sydney Maston and David Buss called Why Women Have Sex, and it goes over 237 reasons why women have sex.

Speaker 3 I have one of my good friends, his Dan Bilzerian, all right? Just a guy's known for being with a ton of women.

Speaker 3 Dan, Dan, a lot of times when I talk to girls, they're like, ew, Dan's been with a bunch of girls. I would never hook up with Dan.

Speaker 3 And my question to these women is, okay, I understand you would never hook up with Dan. Do you think any women would hook up with Dan? And they're like, no.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Well, let me tell you, because I've been to Dan's house house several times, there's a line of women trying to hook up with Dan.

Speaker 5 Oh, I'm sure. Like most rich guys in the world, there's a line of women that will hook up with them, right?

Speaker 3 My point is, even you think that he's not high value. If I were to say, what is the value of Real Madrid? What is the value of the

Speaker 3 value of the

Speaker 3 New York Yankees? If I were to say, what is the value? What is the GDP value of the country of Brazil?

Speaker 5 These are set numbers and they're set because of supply and right, but we're not talking about a product. We're talking about people.

Speaker 3 That's the problem, though. We are talking about products.

Speaker 5 But I want to know, in your opinion, if your story is

Speaker 3 your value from the opposite sex is totally and completely derived by how high value of a person you can get to commit to you.

Speaker 3 Meaning, as a woman, your value in the sexual marketplace, not in general, if you're a cardiologist or a neurologist or whatever, that's a separate type of value. That's professional value.

Speaker 3 That's personal self-worth. Your value in the sexual marketplace is defined by how high status a man you can get to commit.

Speaker 3 And your value as a man is defined by how high status a woman you can get to commit.

Speaker 3 So if I tell you that this guy's high status and you tell me he isn't, but he has a beautiful, incredible wife who takes care of him and she's willing to commit, his value cannot be lower than her,

Speaker 3 no matter what you can do. I completely agree with you.

Speaker 5 I completely agree with what you're saying. And yeah, there's a lot of discussion.

Speaker 5 Like some, of course, I bring a ton of, you you know, relationship experts, quote unquote, matchmakers on the show, and they all say, like, oh, if a guy fucks around with a bunch of girls, he's not high value.

Speaker 5 But I kind of agree with everything that you're saying. A lot of very successful men, such as that, maybe they're not ready to commit.
Maybe they don't want to commit.

Speaker 5 Maybe they want to have a bunch of beautiful women because it's a part of the game. I completely understand what you're saying.

Speaker 5 But most men that are taking your course, I'm assuming, are not as rich as he is or famous or successful as he is, correct? They're the average Joe, correct?

Speaker 5 That want to improve their lives and want to become men of action. Can you help them become a man of

Speaker 5 action and higher value?

Speaker 3 Yes, it's not even a question. Absolutely.
Again, you want to go through there, you can look at the testimonials.

Speaker 3 We've had numerous guys come in and often their complaint is, women don't like me because of my ethnicity. They don't like me because I'm too short.
They don't like me because I'm not rich enough.

Speaker 3 They don't like me because I'm not handsome handsome enough. They don't like me because I'm too skinny, whatever the reason may be.

Speaker 3 And then we work through whatever those

Speaker 3 limiting beliefs are. And then we generally what I'll do is like, for instance, if I had, we'll just say one, I have a guy who's short.
And let's just say he's, maybe he's Indian.

Speaker 3 And he's like, well, I'm, I'm a short Indian man. I know women are not going to find me attractive.
The white women that I find attractive.

Speaker 3 So what I do is I show him 20 guys that are in men of action who are also short and Indian who are crushing it with women. And it destroys his limiting belief.

Speaker 3 That he's like, oh, wait, oh, this isn't just about my looks. It isn't just about my height.

Speaker 3 I can actually do other things to show levels of status and have massive amounts of success without using money. I didn't understand this before.
This wasn't apparent to me.

Speaker 3 And so we teach men how to do those kind of things. And as far as high value, if the question you're asking me is, would the women that they could get to commit to them,

Speaker 3 does their status increase over time? The answer is unequivocally, unassailably, immutably, absolutely, and completely yes. So you're not a question.

Speaker 5 Okay, because I know a lot of guys out there, they're going to send me this question, but it's my curiosity. So let's say some dude out there is listening and he's a little chubby.

Speaker 5 He has a job, nine to five, he doesn't make millions, la la la la. And he wants to take your class and better his life.

Speaker 5 But he's not going to make more money than he does.

Speaker 5 So because you talk a lot about, I think I saw something on your website, like I said in the beginning. You say, I'm going to teach you how to have my lifestyle without spending any money.

Speaker 5 How can they do that without spending any money?

Speaker 3 How can you better your life? I go do the things. I mean, you live in Vegas.
You know what a comp is, right? But you live.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but of course I do. I, I, yes.

Speaker 5 But you live in Vegas, but the guy that lives maybe, I don't know, like I said, in Indiana or like a suburb doesn't have access to these things, you know, to become a man of action.

Speaker 3 Can I share my screen? Oh, wait, no, you have to make me a co-host. It's fine.

Speaker 3 So, so going back to what you're saying before, if you lived in like, say, Indiana, well, one of the things we say in places that don't have like a great scene is if there is no scene, you create a scene.

Speaker 3 So for like, let's just say, let's just pick a place that's,

Speaker 3 let's say, Gary, Indiana. You live in Gary, Indiana.
What I would do if I lived in Gary, Indiana, first off, I would go and fix my social media.

Speaker 3 So I'd find the best places in Gary, Indiana to take cool photographs that show that I'm just an adventurous, cool guy, and that I get it, that I get it when it comes to social media.

Speaker 3 Then I might travel a little bit and get some other cool photos and places that I traveled and some cool experiences with me and groups of friends.

Speaker 3 That's why I wanted to share my screen with you so I could show you like some of my clients, some of the things that they're able to do.

Speaker 5 Now, from that, by the way, I love that idea and I completely, completely agree with you.

Speaker 5 I think having a good, decent, fantastic social media page is crucial because it's our business card and it totally changes the way I agree with you 1 million percent. That's a fantastic idea.

Speaker 3 So that's the number one thing I could do, right? Because it's the most scalable thing.

Speaker 3 Even if your social media is at a 60% and in person, you're an 80%, you're still, your social media is 100,000 X more likely to get to more people than you in real life.

Speaker 3 So now, so we start doing, we start showing pictures of you in cool places.

Speaker 3 We start showing pictures of you with a group of people and they're sort of reacting to you and they catch you in these cool scenes.

Speaker 3 If you guys want to go look at my Instagram, you can see some photos that I use as examples. I don't, I try to stay away from the dating photos, like the close-up headshots.

Speaker 3 Women are not interested in a man's close-up headshot. Maybe one is fine, but this is not, this is not a Tinder bumble or hinge.

Speaker 3 A great way to explain this is women want the Barbie. They want the Barbie, but they want all the things Ken comes with.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 3 They want the actual Barbie doll, but they want all the little accessories that Ken comes with. What women want to see from a man of his social media is all the accessories he comes with.

Speaker 3 And I don't mean wealth. I mean, is he in good shape? Like, what is like, who are all the other people that are following him?

Speaker 3 So you can show massive amounts of social proof and pre-selection through your social media. So that's what I would do.

Speaker 3 Now, from that point going forward, once I have my social media fixed, I would start creating lists of men and women that i want to network with what i like to say is women who you'd like to have come to your birthday party and men who you'd like to have come on your podcast or women you'd like to have come on your podcast as well i make two different lists and then from those lists what i do is i'll usually hire a guy for like five bucks an hour and they'll go and they'll message all those people using my instagram because my instagram is good it's set up correctly the likelihood of them opening my message is extremely high i also recommend you guys all get the blue check mark on instagram it makes it much easier and also switch to a business account you're far more likely to not get put in the request folder.

Speaker 3 So you'll do that and you'll get a bunch of open threads with people. Now, once I have these open threads, what I'm going to do is I'm going to contact the SBCA, the VFW.

Speaker 3 I'm going to contact a homeless shelter, an orphanage, different places like that. And I'm going to throw a cherry event somewhere in my city.
Hopefully, I'm not going to throw the cherry event.

Speaker 3 I'm going to help them throw an event and I'm going to invite every female influencer in my city.

Speaker 3 I'm going to invite a bunch of photographers and I'm going to turn this into a huge social media thing while at the same time raising money for ALS, homeless children, raising money for troops overseas, raising money for animal rescue, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 And I'm going to create a social network in Gary, Indiana, doing something. I love it.

Speaker 5 In other words, you just proved, and this is how I live my life. And that's the message I always send out.
Where there is a will, there is a way. And it's all about how you decide to

Speaker 5 go about your life, right? Like you said, you got to be in shape. If you're sitting at home drinking beer and eating crap, you're not going to get to that point.

Speaker 5 If you live in a shitty city, there is social media platforms that can connect us with people all over the world.

Speaker 5 So it's not just people that live in Las Vegas or Beverly Hills like I do that can have access to a better lifestyle, but you got to be motivated to get it done like you are.

Speaker 5 You're obviously a super motivated guy. I am the same, but a lot of people out there are not.
So I guess if anybody out there is listening, this is a great way.

Speaker 5 to become motivated by taking your course because you're going to tell them step by step by step no matter where they are right yeah and I honestly, I'm being very transparent.

Speaker 5 Some of your videos, I wasn't sure about them because of all this, you know, girl, la, la, la, all this bullshit. But you have very practical ideas that really, really work.

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Speaker 3 Now, those practical ideas that really, really work, Catherine, if I put those in a tweet or in a YouTube video, nobody cares. They don't.

Speaker 3 Now, once they get into course, they do, but initially all they want is the sizzle. Well, you have to do it.

Speaker 5 That's the thing is people want something like an easy way out, right? Correct. But the fact is, sometimes you got to do the work.
You got to put in the work. Like we were talking about the podcast.

Speaker 5 I get messages every single day from men and women. They're like, oh, I want to start a podcast.
I want to make money. And I start laughing.

Speaker 5 because they think it's going to be something like overnight. And it's kind of like you said, having a fabulous body or being in great shape.
It's something that you work on your whole life.

Speaker 5 It's not like you wake up and after a week, you're gonna have a great body, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, definitely, unless you take trembling and steroids and

Speaker 3 the most part, it's not gonna work.

Speaker 5 But even if you do, you know, like if you're drinking beer,

Speaker 3 everyone in Las Vegas, shout out to all the female strippers.

Speaker 5 I'm gonna come to town really soon. We gotta meet in person and

Speaker 5 do some videos, go out and about. Before I run out of time, I saw another video that I thought was very, very interesting.
So, I want to discuss that for a second.

Speaker 5 You talk about high status men, high status women, and low status men.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 5 And you're like,

Speaker 5 yeah, go ahead. Do you explain better than I stand by this?

Speaker 3 I know it's politically incorrect, but it's just.

Speaker 5 I don't know if it's politically incorrect, and I don't care if it is, but I think it's very interesting. So let's explain what you mean.

Speaker 3 I mean, for any, I will debate anyone on this topic. There are three genders, high-status men, women, and low-status men.
Low-status men are chasing after women.

Speaker 3 Women are chasing after high-status men. And the reason why I say there's three genders is because high status men and low status men have nothing to do with each other.

Speaker 3 If you really look at the, and there's a book called The Winner Effect that goes over the neurochemistry of men who are successful and the ones who aren't, you like literally high status men have different brains than low status men.

Speaker 3 High status men have higher lifetime earnings, have more sexual partners, more likely to keep a marriage working, have more children in general.

Speaker 3 Like when you find out these, these, these differences, then you'll understand high status men and low status men have nothing to do with each other.

Speaker 3 When you come, when you listen to to women complain, and they'll be like, oh, you know what? I can't stand these men. They're all nothing but shit.

Speaker 3 They all drop around in their Bugattis and they have like some of the people who are

Speaker 5 friends. They think

Speaker 3 most men don't have a Bugatti.

Speaker 5 Wait a second. What kind of women complain? I think the women that complain, it's usually, that's my opinion, because I agree with everything you're saying.
1 million percent, I agree.

Speaker 5 And I would debate anybody on that. But usually the women that complain are, like I said, these women that they can't keep up.

Speaker 5 The guy that the girl that complains oh you know i had sex with him and he ghosted me i he took me to the club last night and now he's somebody else usually it's just the bimbo she's not on the same level i don't think anyone came into this thing i'm gonna be a bimbo i legitimately oh you'll be shocked really okay

Speaker 3 i do think so i know a lot i live in vegas you lived here for a while you just go to this

Speaker 3 grocery store you're gonna see sex with yeah like and some of them are my friends and i'll ask them legitimately did you move here to become a prostitute i'll ask them some, did you move here to start filming porn?

Speaker 3 And a lot of them are like, no, I moved here with my boyfriend. You know, so I was in love.
I was just

Speaker 3 doing it.

Speaker 5 It just seemed attractive. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Next thing you know, she's sleeping with a male stripper. And then, like, but it's like this idea that, like, nobody goes into life thinking, I can't wait to get addicted to heroin.

Speaker 3 Nobody really starts off their life being like, man, I can't wait to start filming porn. It's like one of these things that happens.

Speaker 5 But my thing is they end up in these situations.

Speaker 3 These are normal

Speaker 5 normal stimulus.

Speaker 3 Listen. They just don't react to the stimulus properly.
And the next thing you know, that they're like fucking on camera.

Speaker 5 That's what happened. Look, and I completely, I don't blame anybody.
I completely agree with you. I did an episode of my show at The Sapphire, by the way.
I talked to all the girls.

Speaker 5 I'm still, I still have connections with some of them. I don't judge anybody in this life.
I'm speaking about dating.

Speaker 5 A lot of the girls, like you gave the Miami example in one of your videos, oh, the guy with the Bugatti. And like I said, there's maybe two Bugattis in Miami.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 But those girls, a lot of them, that's literally what they're looking for. But they are not in the same level of that guy.

Speaker 3 If what you're saying is true, then what we should be able to see is on dating apps, we should be able to go there and see women choosing men who make $60,000 a year and are five foot nine.

Speaker 3 And we don't see that. What we see is almost all women selecting men who are six feet tall and make over $200,000 a year.

Speaker 3 You're coming up with this idea that there's only a few women who are bimbos who have this unrealistic expectations of men.

Speaker 3 And I'm here to tell you, it's 90% of women who have unrealistic unrealistic expectations of men it is it i agree no no it doesn't mean that we're going to date men who are all six foot three i agree with you

Speaker 3 desire men who are six feet tall and make a ton of money yeah that's what's going on and so because of that mismatch women are pricing the price of sex here men are pricing the price of sex here and because of that they don't meet and we have the lowest level of marriage ever yeah we have the lowest number of people hooking up ever we have 63 of men under the age of 30 are single we ended up in a situation we are in a sexless society that's where we got we show more we show more only fans instagram pornography we just show more we have sex less that's where we've ended up because we have these two unrealistic understandings of like what the world will give us and the reason why is because we have too many options visually that aren't really options women are left swiping on men on dating apps they could never date and men are watching pornography of women they could never date and it's screwing up their brain and that's the reason why we have this discussion i completely agree with you maybe i didn't express myself well i agree that it's most women i guess my point was these men right that drive the bugati that makes that make millions and i have many friends like that most of the time the ones that are single yeah of course they're gonna go through dozens and dozens of women but they are usually gonna marry and couple with somebody who is more up to par with where they are in life.

Speaker 5 At least that's my experience. All my millionaire friends, people that I know, that's who they end up with.
And this is why these girls get so frustrated.

Speaker 5 Because most men of very high value, when they decide, okay, I'm ready to get married and settle down, they want a partner that is not going to embarrass them in public, that's going to travel the world with them, that knows how to speak well, that knows how to dress, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 5 They're not going to go for that girl that looked crazy sexy on the beach in South Beach or at the nightclub in Las Vegas. That's my, and it happened to me, by the way, you know?

Speaker 3 But Catherine, most women won't ever get with any high status men other than to just have totally agree.

Speaker 5 Exactly.

Speaker 3 Totally agree. So like, look, so what is the majority? Remember, I said about 15% of men are high-status men.
You have 100% of women, then you have 85% of men that are low-status men. Of those 85%,

Speaker 3 they will marry a woman who embarrasses them in public. They will marry a woman who gets morbidly overweight, cheats on them, and takes out their money.
They will because they have no options.

Speaker 3 The bottom third of men have almost no options whatsoever. Dating has become incredibly inequitable towards a small group of men at the top.
And those are the men women are complaining about.

Speaker 3 They're not complaining about the men at the bottom because they don't even see those men. They don't even recognize those men exist.

Speaker 3 That's the point that we've gotten to right now is they don't even see them.

Speaker 3 At least as a man, if I see grandma on the side of the road and she has a flat tire, I'm going to pull over and try to help her because I at least see grandma. I see her.

Speaker 3 I have some guy friends of mine that are like five foot five and Filipino, and women don't even remember that they were in the room with this guy.

Speaker 5 They don't see these.

Speaker 5 Because listen, we see like, and I tell people that all the time: take care of yourselves because it doesn't matter how big of a fabulous heart you are or your ethics, the world sees us from the outside.

Speaker 5 In if you take care of yourself, many more doors are going to open for you. Like you said, including dating, including relationships, even business, right? If you look like shit,

Speaker 5 you're not going to get the same success in any area of your life than a person that takes great care of themselves. I think that's general, you know?

Speaker 5 It happened to me, Michael, when I met my husband, he was a multi-millionaire. I was successful in my own right.
I had a bunch of modeling contracts. I owned my own business.
I was 23 or 23 years old.

Speaker 5 I had college degrees. At the time, he had, like you say, like on your videos, he was partying in Vegas with 50 chicks.
He was spending $50,000 a night in one of the top strip clubs.

Speaker 5 He did all this shit. He would bring all these Playboy Bunnies to his mansion.
Of course, I wasn't the prettiest. I'm not the tallest, I wasn't the skinniest.

Speaker 5 I know I'm beautiful, I know I'm sexy, I love sex, which obviously guys are attracted to me because they know I love sex.

Speaker 5 Like, and I'm not embarrassed to speak about it because I think it's important, right? Because the American culture suppresses women when they say that.

Speaker 5 But the reason why he was so attracted to me is because I had all this shit going on. I didn't give a fuck about his money.
I didn't want him to buy me a BMW. I drove my own BMW.

Speaker 5 I had my own shit going on. I think in general, that's the kind of women that high value guys choose as a lifetime partner at the end of the day.
Do you agree?

Speaker 3 High status men, yes. Yeah.
Most men, no. Most men choose very poorly.
High status just because of the best physical attractiveness that they can get. Yeah.
Most men do not choose.

Speaker 3 And I know a lot of high status men that didn't choose poorly, choose well either.

Speaker 3 I think what happens is you spend your entire life working on money and you don't understand the opposite sex, you end up becoming a target.

Speaker 3 I think it becomes very, and this is the same for men and women. Like, you just become a target.

Speaker 3 And so, I just, I see so many people too, like, if you want to have a great conversation, you should talk to James Saxon, he's a divorce attorney, and he just goes over these people who are just mismatched and just choose horribly.

Speaker 3 And I think we're choosing even worse because what's happened is because of social media, we have so many ways of giving false indicators now, so many ways of making ourselves look better than we actually do, richer than we actually are.

Speaker 3 We have so many ways of doing this. And so, because of that, you just see people actually end up ending up in worse situations.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Yeah, that is so true. So everybody out there listening to us, your course is exclusively for men, right?

Speaker 3 Yes. Oh, so women, women can come on the course.
It's just, you don't have to pay. Like we just let women join the call.

Speaker 5 Oh, well, okay, girl. So if you're out there listening, if you want to learn, so let's say a girl, let's say me, I'm like, I want to jump in.
I want to learn something.

Speaker 5 Are we in the same Zoom with all the dudes? Yeah, you're in the same zoom with us. So we can listen.

Speaker 3 It's usually between like one and eight girls will come on a call. Okay.
And they'll just be asking questions.

Speaker 3 It just, I haven't found that women like really like, unless a girl is really interested in like leveling up her social media or something like that. Then in that case, that's something different.

Speaker 3 But like Katie Moore, she's been on calls for years. My friend Andy Candy, kindly myers, there's a bunch of girls that come on the calls on a regular basis.

Speaker 3 They're friends of mine, but we don't charge women to come on the calls. That's pretty awesome.

Speaker 5 So if a girl there is listening and she wants to know the inside scoop, what you teach guys, what kind of guys out there, they can just go and find you on your social media and jump on.

Speaker 3 And then say, then what I'll do is on the Tuesday call, I'll just send her the link and then she can jump on with us.

Speaker 5 That's very generous of you, Michael.

Speaker 5 Sounds like you're helping a lot of people. Sounds like you're helping a lot of men out there.
Congratulations on your fabulous work. I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 If you, and I'm got, before I let you go, one thing that I completely disagree with you, and I would challenge you next time I invite you to come to LA. You said there are no pretty girls around here.

Speaker 3 No, what I said was the pretty girls are in Palisades. They're in

Speaker 3 the hills.

Speaker 3 They're Beverly Hills. I'm like in LA proper.

Speaker 5 There are a lot of beautiful girls.

Speaker 3 Hollywood all the way down to like Figueroa. Those are not.
They're not. There's not any pretty girls there, dude.

Speaker 5 There are a lot of beautiful girls in LA. Tell me.

Speaker 3 No. Go to a club and go to a club in Hollywood.
Okay, do this one time. All right, ready? Go on stage at excess for people, Rufus the Solo.

Speaker 3 Look at the girls there and then go to Warwick on a Saturday night in Vegas or in Los Angeles.

Speaker 5 I don't even know where Warwick is. Yeah, I don't even know where that one.

Speaker 3 You don't even know what Warwick is. That's exactly my point.

Speaker 3 Like, go to poppy go to nice guy go anywhere you want in los angeles and compare those girls the ones in vegas and you tell me they're pretty girls well vegas everybody

Speaker 3 county there's no not pretty girls no orange car dargers so overrated

Speaker 3 beverly hills if you're talking about a beverly hills mansion party of course yes definitely But most guys can't get into those.

Speaker 5 We are always on our A game. Yeah, I think because I live in Beverly Hills and work in West Hollywood and we are always on our A game here because, you know, it's such a competitive market.

Speaker 5 But I do agree with you. When people go to Vegas, they're like, let me be on my A game because I might be the celebrity.
They're going to let me go into the hottest clubs.

Speaker 5 So yes, if everybody out there is listening, any suggestions like how do you get in these parties without paying? How do you get in these clubs without paying? Just dress fabulously. Is that the key?

Speaker 3 Oh, there's a bunch of different ways, but for men, it actually does help a lot if you dress really well. I have guys and they're like, hey, man, I just have trouble getting into a club.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, just dress better than everyone else and show up with a couple of girls and you're going to get in every single time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that would be probably the easiest way to do it.

Speaker 5 Fantastic. Tell me your Instagram again, Far Light Hugo.

Speaker 3 It's Michael Sartain. Just go look up Michael Sartain.
Yeah. S-A-R-T-A-I-N on Instagram and just check me out there.
You know, write me and if you're interested in joining.

Speaker 5 Fantastic. There's a school group.

Speaker 3 It's a there's a free school group you can join.

Speaker 3 No, no,

Speaker 3 no investment needed, no contract needed. You can just, it's very easy.
You just join our free school group. It's men of action.

Speaker 5 It's school.com s-k-o-ol.com forward slash men of action free there's a hyphen in between each word men hyphen of hyphen action uh and then or if you're interested in joining moa it's moamentoring.com amazing i'm definitely going to put your link on this episode if you guys are listening go to youtube so you can see his face he's super nice super good looking follow him on instagram and hey jan join the the party listen because apparently you have a lot of fantastic stuff that everybody deserves to learn thank you so much michael it was a huge honor i will say hello when i come to vegas maybe we can hang out.

Speaker 5 And I want to meet your girlfriend. I'm sure she's a fabulous girl.
Thank you so much, guys. Be safe out there, and I'll see you very soon.