CELEBRITY PSYCHIC & HEALER JUSSTINE KENZER

My guest today, Justine Kanzer, is a celebrity psychic healer with over 35 years of experience. She has been featured in so many magazines, it's impossible to name all of them, from Goop to Glamour and many, many more.
I met her when I was having sushi at the soul house with a friend. She sat next to me and we started talking.
And I really, really loved her energy. We did a reading before the interview because I wanted to know how it was since I don't have a lot of experiences working with psychics at all.
And I really, really love her easygoing approach to her work and how honest she is about everything. She's not one of these crazy money hungry psychics with crazy predictions.
So I really, really loved her. I asked her a bunch of really interesting questions about soulmates, twin flames, which she calls something else.
She was very open and fun talking about everything. So if you ever wanted to know more about the world of psychics, I hope you guys enjoy this really great, fun interview with Justine.

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Justine, Justine, Justine, Justine. Welcome to Cat on the Loose.
Thank you for having me. We are a little rattled, full disclosure, since this podcast is very organic because I'm filming today at a different studio from my usual home and we got lost on the way here.
We couldn't find it. It's super hot outside.
And you're being such a good trooper. You're like, because I offered to cancel and redo it.
And you're like, let's rock and roll. And let's try, right? And there you just know, I'm sure people are going to be like, how did I not know that we were going to get lost, me being psychic at all? But that shows you that you're...
We're going to talk about anything you're emotionally attached to. So we're regrouping.
We're taking a deep breath. So I'm going to explain how we met.
I was sitting at the solo house and you sat near me and you told me that you are a psychic. And I don't normally go around telling people that, but I told you.
Yeah. We started talking and interestingly enough, I had been wanting to bring a psychic to the show.
And I talked to a few people before that I just didn't, I don't know, I didn't like their energy. And I just immediately really felt very connected with you.
And I love your energy. So I'm very grateful that you're doing this.
I'm excited to be here. And I have a million questions.
And I know after we do the episode, my listeners are going to have a million questions. So are you ready to rock and roll? Absolutely.
And it's very hot in here, by the way, guys. It is.
So forgive us if we're listening. So we're suffering a little bit.
So for people that don't know, you're a celebrity psychic. You've been doing this for a very long time.
I have. Actually, I saw some people on your website that I do know and have been on the podcast in the past, such as Tracy Tudor.
Okay, I love her. She's amazing.
But can you tell us, like, let's start in the beginning of your journey. How did you find, is it something you find out? Is it something you feel? How did you know, like, okay, I'm a psychic? Yeah, I didn't know.
And it's really the last thing thing I ever thought that I would do with my life. And I was a very creative child.
And I really thought I was going to grow up and be a fashion designer. But this is where I ended up.
And I had a father that was very intuitive. And we had shoe stores.
And it was kind of like his party trick where he would love to tell people like, oh, I see you play the piano. So I was used to it.
And as other kids were being tucked into bed at night with stories, I was getting more like learning how to program my subconscious mind or, you know, kind of being psychically tested about my day. So it really was, he didn't want me to even be psychic.
He wanted me to just get a great sales job. But it came really from trying to find myself spiritually.
But how, okay. But do you feel something different? Because for someone that's not a psychic like me, what do you feel? Like, okay, I am a psychic.
And so forgive me because it's really warm in here. And as I turn on, I start to glisten a little bit.
Oh, I wish there was someone who could hand me that envelope. Would you mind just handing that to me? And you'll just have to forgive me here.
Like we said, we were on quite a wild goose chase running around and I'm just glistening a little bit. So just forgive me as I fanned for a little bit.
So, and just repeat your last question. I'm sorry.
My last question was, do you feel, did you feel something like in your gut instinct in your head, in your mind that you knew like, I know I'm a psychic. I did not in any way, shape or form.
In fact, I eventually, the real kind of backstory is I moved into a super crazy haunted house in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco. Really? And it was kind of like Amityville horror where every night there was like a party going on.
And I moved out immediately after a bunch of crazy things happened. And a friend referred me to somewhere to go get a reading for myself just to be sure that that energy hadn't followed me to where I moved to.
And so thank gosh it hadn't. And I spent about six years at this place learning, taking all kinds of classes of how to develop your psychic and healing abilities.
But it was never anything I wanted to do professionally or do. I thought it was just going to help me get to where I was going.
And I actually even had to be tricked into the first time I opened up my mouth and started reading. But once I did that, then I never stopped.
But it's something you said you enter a place to learn, but it's something that only people that have this natural ability can learn. Is that correct? It's not like, let's say Adam here behind the cameras.
He can go there and say, I want to be a psychic. That's not how it works, right? Well, look, we all have this natural sixth sense, this natural intuition that when we're born with, like little kids are very psychic, but we don't have a lot of permission.
Well, look, it's all about your relationship with yourself, right? So, I mean, I think it just is also something that's quite karmic. So if you're super disconnected from yourself, you're not going to be as tuned in, but it can be developed because it's just like a muscle, right? It's like going to the gym.
So if you were to go to the gym every day and develop your muscles, the same thing happens with that psychic ability. I now know I have this extraordinary gift that obviously I came in with that was much more than just developing it this lifetime.
So I'm very grateful for that. But really, it's more like how it gets taken away from us.
We're born and you're a little kid and you say something to one of your parents and then they tell you, no, no, no, that's not what you're saying. But it can be developed.
It's really a muscle like going to the gym. But it does also very much, it's just like cause and effect where you are on your spiritual path, where you are in your relationship with yourself.
So just like there's bad lawyers and good lawyers. And that's the other thing, not only good and bad as far as like how capable you are, but look, when you go to a gym and get a gym membership, nobody's testing your integrity, right? So there are people that can develop psychic ability and it doesn't mean they're using it for good.
And there really is a difference because just so people can understand what psychic ability is, all psychic ability is communicating with spirit and spirits are those that have passed over to the other side, right? But just because someone passes over, they're still very much alive. They just lose their physical body.
And so on that other side, if you had emotional or mental issues that you were dealing with when you were living, you're still going to be dealing with that on the other side, right? So anyone can be communicating with spirit, but how do we know if that spirit has got mental or emotionally ill problems and just wants your attention and is kind of controlling you versus how someone is tapping into the absolute highest and best? It's really my job to continue to develop and keep that pipe that I get this information from as clear as possible. And so that just that nothing changes the information that your guides and teachers are trying to get to you and nothing of my own consciousness pollutes that.
So I know that was a lot to digest. Yeah, it is a lot, but it's very interesting.
But how like a lot of people, I know they're going to listen. And in general, a lot of people are very jaded when it comes to psychics.
They're like, oh, what do you mean? You talk to spirits. Do they come to you and send a message? Do you listen to them? How does it work? Do you shut it on and off? Well, thank gosh I do get to turn it off and on.
Otherwise, you know, that would be crazy Right now, when I'm not in a psychic reading, I'm like everyone else who's just trying to live their life. And I can't use it for myself because anything I'm emotionally attached to, I'm not going to be neutral to.
And then I just forgot. Sorry, what you had asked just before, it was so good about, it was such a good question.
Forgive me. What you say to people that ask you.
Be skeptical. I love that you brought that up.
And it is, I tell people, you should be skeptical. Why are you just going to go listen to some random person in the street and take their advice, right? When you get a psychic greeting, I try to tell people it's like getting plastic surgery.
You're just going to go to like any doctor and allow them to cut you open. I tell people 99.9% of what's out there is absolute crap.
It is. Yeah.
And that's the sad part, right? And it's funny because Adam mentioned to me yesterday when I said I was going to interview you, he was like, I have a question. How about this psychics? You know, like they put a little store and they're like, there are so many.
So there's a bunch and it's very unfortunate that a lot of them just lie, right? To take people's money. No one is governing that space.
Right. Which, by the way, did you know that in England they do? I love that.
I was going to interview a psychic lady from England and I decided not to for different reasons. She told me in England they literally have like a license, a certificate.
That's amazing. It's a very regulated profession.
Well, I do. You know, unfortunately, this is America and it's the wild, wild west.
It's okay. Don't worry about it.
And we can just keep this lovely Manila envelope has become our show's new best friend. And thank gosh the air is now on.
So no one is governing this space. And anytime I try to tell people, if you see a neon sign, that is not anyone who is doing this work with integrity.
They are just trained to basically clear out your bank accounts. And they might be able to say, get that your dead uncle's name is Joe.
But to know if a psychic is real or not, one of three things must be present, which is to inspire the truth seeker, to heal the sick, or to provide comfort

for someone who's mourning after someone who has passed. One of those three things have to be present.
And it's never about predicting gloom and doom. If you actually were to use your abilities for predicting gloom and doom, you would lose them.
So anyone who has integrity is not operating out of a storefront with a neon sign.

And that is really just people that are about clearing out your bank account. Thank you for answering Edholm's question.
And I agree. I think you have to, like you said, I like the analogy that you use with the plastic surgeon, you know, don't go like giving your money to, you know, I remember, remember the 1-800-1900 psychic or something?

Yes.

That was like a really famous lady many years ago. I forgot her name.
Miss Cleo. Miss Cleo.
They actually asked me to replace her when I said no. The guy that owns our company was very mad.
And I was thinking like, these people are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a month scamming people, right? But still, it's heartbreaking. Any online, yeah, look, you just, there are gazillions of psychics out there, you know, and if you find someone that works for you, I'm not saying I'm the only one or the best.
You just search with finding proof and evidence of and hopefully finding someone that can help you in truly being able to, you know, a psychic reading really is, like we said, to inspire, to heal, and to comfort people. So let's talk a little bit about how the reading works for someone that never did it.
Sure. Do you lay out the tarot cards? Is that how you do it? So there's lots of people use lots of different things like tarot cards or Nostradamus used a plate of water.
I'm a clairvoyant, so I don't need anything other than that ability. But I do work with specific questions.
I really believe in seek and you shall find. And so when people come to me, when I do a session, it's an hour and I will have someone just tell me their name and it doesn't matter.
You can use your, it's just about me being able to look at your energy. And once you say your name, whatever you go by, it doesn't have to be like your birth name or anything like that.
But I start to tune into someone and I'll give them the information that their guides and teachers most want them to know. And it usually is answering questions they already have.
And then we move into very specific questions. And it's, you know, I work different than say there's mediums that are like Tyler Henry, who are wonderful at connecting with your relatives that have passed over.
I'm really more of like a transformationalist. I can look at anything going on in your life that you have a question about.
And not only can I get you very specific answers, but for me, I've always wanted to get people so much more than answers. It's why I consider myself a healer.
is I'm really known for helping people to get out of heartbreak very quickly or to just really transform a situation or to help them move toward what they want in their life and help them to let go of the energy that is in between having that happen. Yeah, that's kind of like because we did do a reading because I wanted to know more about your work and you wanted to do it.
I think it was very nice. It was very emotional.
It was very different. I never did it, by the way, before ever, ever, ever.
I love that for you. One time I did like a tarot reading, but I'm not sure how that went.
I honestly don't remember. But I thought it was very nice the way you do it.
For people that don't understand what a clairvoyant is, can you explain it? Sure. It's like, you can just, it's your clairvoyant sense.
There's many psychic senses. Some people just know things, some people psychometry where they can hold an object and get information.
Clairvoyance, it's really this ability to, I best describe it as like having this additional set of eyes that I'm able to tune in and look at something on a spiritual level and then describe how that affects you in your physical world. So a lot of people go to psych, like you said, because they want to know very specific things.
Like, for example, is my husband cheating on me? Or am I going to become a millionaire? You know, things like that. Do you,

are you able to see like such specific things like that? Well, everything is, you know, it's so different because everyone is so different, right? So it really depends again on someone's relationship with themselves. And if they're in a good relationship and clear, I can get amazing information that it just depends and other times.

So I don really good at, say, telling people like the year they're going to get married. I'm really great at you can ask about anyone you're in a relationship and just say their name and ask.
I can go to town just describing their personality and you being able to ask whatever you want. And again, you know, a lot of people want to know if their person is being faithful or not.
And I do my best to describe everything that I see, but I'm still such a believer of proof and evidence in the physical world. So it's just really about being able to tell someone's integrity.
And if someone is not in integrity, that kind of gives you the sign if you can trust them or not but it really again just depends upon where you are in your relationship with yourself and yeah I mean I've given incredible you know there's lots of testimonies do you ever like for example you see a couple do you feel like okay they're not gonna stay together this is not working out would you tell them well

I'm example, you see a couple, do you feel like, okay, they're not going to stay together? This is not working out. Would you tell them? Well, I think really one of my greatest gifts is communication.
And so I don't read couples together because I really believe that when someone is witnessing your experience, it changes it or that say you couldn't be as free as you wanted and asking questions and getting the information if like your partner was right there next to you. I mean, I've done fun stuff at parties and that kind of thing reading couples.
So it's not that I can't do it. But again, because your reading is not about like predicting gloom and doom.
When someone say say, is thinking of getting a divorce and they

come to me and want to get questions, I tell them everything I see about it and what it looks like, what's going to happen. But they just always have that free will in the end to make their own decision what they're going to do.
But, you know, if you're already questioning and thinking about that, it is something I help people walk through. What if somebody comes to you like they're going to get married and they ask you, should I marry this person? Is this person my soulmate or should I bail out? Would you answer that? Well, I just never tell people what to do, right? So what will happen is you would give me your partner's name and I would tell you everything I see about them.
and you'd get to ask all these questions so that with all that information, you can then decide yes or no. And I also, in the healing part, I take people to this place where they're able to look at for themselves if they're more attracted to walking away or staying in that relationship.
So it's all, I'll have told you everything I get, but I'm able to take you to a place where you get to look at it for yourself so that you're still getting your own answer, right? Because we never, our life, now there are a lot of people that come to psychics because they just want to be told what to do. I am not the person to see if you just want someone to tell you what to do because it doesn't work that way..
Like our life, you have to take one step, your guides take 10 to help you. So again, I'll just, I will never tell you what to do because it's not for me to make your decisions, but I will give you all the information about it that helps you get a super strong answer for yourself of what you're going to do next or what you should do.
Very interesting. Let's talk about soulmates.
Okay. Do you think, you know, because a lot of people say, oh, he is my soulmate.
She is my soulmate. Great question.
Do you think we have one soulmate, many soulmates, no soulmates? I love that you're asking this. And I'm just here to tell people in everything that I have studied and seen in the 35 years of doing this work is that anything you read in a book or on the internet, a lot of this is just human to human consciousness where some person has come up with that idea and then it sounds good and everyone starts to follow.
And so in everything I do, I really am trying to tap into higher consciousness, not trying to, but higher consciousness, working with the real ascended masters. And so I do, in everything that I've done, believe that you only have one soulmate.
And your soulmate is the other half of you. You start as one cell, you split off, and you both have gone on your own ways over all of these lifetimes to have your own experiences, right? But listen, our goal is to eventually break the cycle of coming back over.
Wait, wait, wait. You have one.
I want to tell you why you only have one. I know where you're going because you told me that.

Yes, you only have one.

We only have one.

So let's say if I feel like I haven't found him yet, how do we find this?

Because nobody wants to die without finding their soulmate, right?

But here's the thing is you can really relax and letting go.

That the goal is just to find someone that you can have long-term compatibility with. And if your soulmate, you think you're going to find your soulmate and it's happily ever after, it is a very difficult relationship.
Very few people come together with their soulmate and have it work long-term in this lifetime. Because your goal, you will eventually end up with your soulmate.
Because our goal is to master life and death, to break the cycle of coming back over and over again. And if you've had these hundreds of past lives and been with hundreds of people, how would you know who to pick on the other side? That is really what your soulmate is.
And when you're getting close to that, you could spend your whole life, you could literally walk down the street and bump into your soulmate and not even recognize that person. There's no rules here.
So there is no way to, like when you meet someone and you're dating them, you're falling in love, is there anything extra that you're like, okay, no, he's my soulmate, she's my soulmate. No, because your soulmate is really only known between you and God.
Nobody can really tell you this. I mean, I can get a gist when I look at someone if I get the vibe of that, but it's really between you and God.
And look, it's like one of these things that you can't control, but you have many, many people out there that are what call a twin ray. Now, people try to call it twin flames.
They don't even know what that means. It's not twin flames.
It's a twin ray. And what is that? And these are, so you have more than your physical body.
You have seven vehicles of consciousness. So you have your physical body, your mental body, your emotional body.
Your goal is to find someone who is a twin ray. You have a greater chance at having long-term compatibility with this person.
And that just means that if you meet someone

that you have a really strong physical attraction to,

your physical bodies match.

If you meet someone and you start dreaming about each other,

your astral bodies match.

If you just absolutely feel the same way about things,

your emotional bodies match.

So you're really just looking for someone

that you can have long-term compatibility with.

So everyone can just relax in letting go of like, you can't control if you're going to meet your soulmate or not. It doesn't matter.
So there's no trick that we could tell people like, this is how you can meet your soulmate faster. Your goal is to do everything to heal yourself with your relationship with yourself.
And then what's happening on the inside is the outside is naturally going to follow that. And then you will attract someone you have karma with.
I mean, here's this reason of why we feel more for one person than another, because you have past lives, you have karma with these people. So there's no way that you won't reincarnate around each other.
And that gives you an opportunity to work your stuff out with them. And relationships really come down to free will choice, to two people choosing to make that work over anything else.
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When like, look, this planet is the insane asylum of the universe and relationships are tough.

Tell me, hence the podcast.

We're all trying to learn together.

And you use the words that I think is very important. And I want to talk about that for a minute.
Heal. Maybe somebody out there is listening like, what do they mean? Heal yourself.
Can you help us elaborate on that? You're such a great interviewer. Thank you.
So you have to think. I could spend five hours here talking.
And you see, I'm trying to go fast because I have like a laundry list. You're going to know me after today.
We might do a part two. So, okay.
So you have to think of your life as just this big sum up of everything you've been through, which is all of your past lives and what you've been through this life. And even your family genetic stuff kind of rolls over onto you.
And so your life, it's this closet of every piece of clothing you've ever worn. And no one teaches us how to clear that out or how to let go.
And anything in your life that doesn't bring you joy pretty much is stored as trauma, trauma you brought from the past, from this lifetime. So our whole goal is to find a real way to let go of this trauma, of this energy, which all creates patterns.
So we try to find these answers with our logical mind or our mental mind. And I bet all of you have gone to your mind hundreds and hundreds of times trying to ask, why did that happen? Why did that person do that to me? When the answer isn't in your mind, because you're smart people out there, right? If you've gone to your mind looking for the answer, you would have found it.
Your mind really has things like, what's my address or what time do I have to be at this appointment? So it's really the energy of what's running the show. And we have to change that energy, change the patterning, help clear out that closet.
And then like right now, if you were to go shopping and you've never cleared that closet

out, you can't fit anything new in there. We have to clear that out, get rid of everything that you don't need that doesn't fit you anymore.
And then you have this brand new space to bring in something new. And so that's kind of what I have become really good at is walking people through this healing.
And so a lot of people report back years later, oh, I met my husband after I met you or to have that reading with you. That's really my favorite thing is helping people and how to truly let go.
And there's other ways to do it. There's great work like somatic experience or there's this great technology called the Therify.
It's just lots of things move energy around, but it isn't actually clearing up that closet. I love the analogy of the closet because you used that when we were doing my session.
And I completely agree. And of course, I'm not a psychic, but usually I talk about it in different ways.
Like if you had a horrible relationship, which was my case, right? I was married to a raging alcoholic, very abusive for 15 years. So even after I finally got rid of it,

the first few years,

I kept getting tangled up with horrible men

that were being disrespectful to me

or abusing me verbally

or treating me like shit

or cheating on me.

That's how I started the podcast

because I was venting like,

holy shit, I can't believe that.

And that's the thing.

If you don't clean out that crap, you keep bringing because your life is chaos and i completely agree with you that's what you're gonna attract if you get used to yeah okay somebody it's okay if somebody calls me like a piece of shit that's what you're gonna attract because somebody's gonna do that to you again so i completely agree you. It's so important to clean it out.
And when I met you, when we did we do my session last week, I was starting to do the same again, like not in terms of like being tangled up with abusive men, but just getting like my closet messy again in every area of my life. It does affect clutter.
It does affect all the areas, even though we think it's just relationship. It's all braided together.
It's definitely like a wonderful exercise, the way you guide people. And if you guys want to know how she does it, it's amazing.
Like you gave me the audio. We did it together.
I'm going to put her website and everything on this episode and on my website, catondelose.com. So you guys can actually go there and connect with her because it takes like a few minutes.
And actually, it's very, you are right. It's like it frees your mind.
Like when you're done, like maybe you want to cry or something, but you want to breathe

and you're like,

oh, I feel so much lighter.

Because you've let go of so much, right?

From the beginning of time.

And what's really great is I recorded it

and you can download it off my site so that you don't ever have to have a session with me that you have that download and that you can, there's lots of people from all around the world that have done that download and written back or left testimonials about how much it's helped them. And that just really, that's what makes me happy.
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Then I did my job. Yes.
Now let's talk about something that is a very controversial topic, but I think it's so important. Okay.
And it's something that you mentioned, and I agree with you, like you said in the beginning, and you said it to me during our session. When people die, they leave their body, but the soul moves on.
Sometimes they linger. They do.
And they are around. And sometimes certain people don't believe.
Some people say, no, you die, that's it. But some people believe, I believe in it.
And sometimes we even feel the presence of somebody that died around us. Yeah.
So our listeners out there, the non-believers and the believers, what would you say about that? Like if they, maybe they say, yo, you girls are crazy. People die and they die.
The soul, I don't believe in this bullshit. Well, first of all, you know, I really let everyone have their beliefs because our life is just based on what we experience and our beliefs aren't going to change unless we have some kind of life experience that forces us to.
So I don't go around trying to, you know, force people to change their beliefs. But, and I have no choice.
And again, doing this work for 35 years and what I've seen and what I've studied that we are spirits, right? And so it's, and then when you do this work, you're naturally, people are asking about their loved ones. And so we don't just die and magically have this heaven or hell.
I mean, I've seen that we really go into a state of what we believe to be true when we pass. And it just depends if someone, there's really a difference of whether someone dies of natural causes, whether they didn't die of natural causes, if they were medicated, if they had issues with addiction, it's all so different.

If people take their own life, unfortunately. So people can get kind of earthbound and stuck around the planet.
And that is not a great thing. We really want to be able to truly help people move on after they pass.
So it's a real thing. Yeah.
So, but do you feel their presence? Like, do they try to communicate with you?

Like, if you're with me, is somebody that knew me trying to communicate?

Thank gosh, no.

Thank gosh.

And I think some psychics like.

Oh, yeah.

Those are mediums like Tyler Henry.

And there's that amazing woman in Long Island.

And, you know, those people are.

That's different. Well, they they strictly focus on mediumship.
You know, again, I've been doing this work for so long and working in a way to protect myself and to, look, light and dark is very real. And the closer, you know, the brighter you are, the more you have this ability to help people on this planet and reach a lot of people.
You got to protect yourself. I mean, there's dark and light is very real.
And just because someone passes doesn't mean they turn into a good person. You know, there's just so many levels of this stuff.
But I'm really lucky that I don't have spirits coming up to me and trying to, you know, I don't really allow that to happen in my space. Okay.
So when you meet someone, if they ask you, oh, do you know if my mom is okay? Do you know if my husband... Well, I really only do readings in sessions because I don't believe in doing anything half-assed.
So, you know, like we met and we were out and we were talking, but I really was just out being me, you know, us enjoying our time out. In a session, you can ask about anyone who's passed over.
And I not only am able to look at what's going on, but also able to help send healing. But once in a while, I mean, I don't look at big worldly events.
There are other people that specifically focus on that.

I can only like say you were to ask me about the price of Bitcoin

and if you could sell or not,

I can look at that for you

about like what's going to happen.

And I knew due to my own Bitcoin man

when it hit 74,

I was like,

this is going to be the high right now,

the highest of what it's going to hit.

But, and wait,

I kind of lost my train of thought

of what was happening.

Oh, so I don't look at these worldly events

Thank you. I was like, this is going to be the high right now, the highest of what it's going to hit.
But, and wait, I kind of lost my train of thought of what was happening. Oh, so I don't look at these worldly events, but say there was a recent event that happened worldly that like, I don't pay attention to those kinds of things.
I'm like focusing living my life, but this was so hitting me over the head in such an intensely strong way that I know a thousand percent for me and how I know to look at these things, the truth of what the situation is going on. That's being very covered up for the world to think one thing is happening when I know another is happening.
And that's very rare. Those things happen, but it's strong.
Oh my gosh. But do you talk about it to someone? You keep it to yourself? I did actually do a sub stack about it, but I took it down.
It's not for, you know, I'll tell you after. Okay.
But, and I think that already the public, you know, there's a lot of people in the public that are speculating the same thing. But I do watch sometimes when I watch the news.
I don't watch the news a lot now, but I used to watch the news and I can just totally tell when someone's lying or not. So and like.
Yeah, you were mentioning that you're very good at telling. Their aura shakes.
Like it's so easy to see if like someone is lying or not, you know, or if someone is lying. I'm horrible at that.'m very gullible it's um oh my god no I've I've helped pick juries before like I you know knowing like with them asking me like how somebody would vote about something or what their beliefs are it's been a long time since I've done that but I've I've done that's very interesting there I can't look at, you know.
You just choose what you want to look at or not. Well, I definitely choose.
Like now I'm at a point where I have someone send a picture and tell me what they want help with because I don't want to take money from anyone I can't help. Like if you're just looking for me to tell you what to do and if you're ever going to find a husband, like I can send you in a direction to you heal that but like I just don't want to take money from anyone that's very nice of you well it's not nice it's just no you're very ethical that's why I like well but it's but that's why I liked you because you do great work you have amazing energy because I'm the same like everything I do in terms of work I have to be able to sleep at night I have to feel good about it and I because I believe in karma and I think you're very intuitive and a healer yourself I think you're just you know reeling of those years of what has happened to you and when you fully release that like watch out you're just boom this light bulb's gonna go how do we release it fast please well I've fast, please? Well, I've told you, keep doing that healing.
Am I going to win the lottery? Keep doing that healing. I play every week.
But I think that, you know, I think that there's a lot going on for you and your... No, I've already healed a lot.
Like, seriously, when I listen, because I've been doing cat on the list for almost four years, right? If you go back and probably very few people do, but if you go back to the first episode four years ago, it's not the same woman at all. Of course, you're growing.
And you're like, holy shit, how did I put up with that crap? Like if you listen to the stories, but part of it might have been karmic. You don't know.
So it's fun because because believe it or not i think the podcast and growing up with everyone and growing this worldwide audience and sharing stories is been like my therapy and it's been so cathartic and it made me grow as a person as a woman you know this i would never accept certain things certain behaviors from anyone like i used And nowadays, when I see women in bad relationships, right? Yeah. Putting up with shit.
That's what I say. Like, why are you doing it? Because at the end of the day, psychic or not, I think like you were saying about healing, we have to learn and maybe it's the hardest lesson we learn in life.
I don't know. It's to put ourselves first.
It's self-love. Absolutely self-love.
But also, don't be so hard on yourself. I'm not a believer that everything happens for a reason.
Yeah, you did say that to me when we met. People are like, oh, everything happens for a reason.
And I am here to tell you that it doesn't. Most of the time, people are not paying attention and accidents happen.
And karma is real. We don't just end up somewhere in the middle of something.
So there's a difference between karma and everything happening for a reason. So we don't know that you might have had some crazy powerful past life in Egypt where you didn't make some great decisions and affected some other people.
And now that's why you had to have this relationship, right? And it's righted itself out. It just balanced itself out so that you can work toward that, perfecting your soul and mastering one day.
It's still not cool that you had to go through that. It's horrible that you did.
But when I look at you, I just see such a light. And like you are, it's really beautiful.
Like you look very different from when we first sat and did the reading. And I'm so excited to see where all this goes for you.
I know. That's why I'm so happy to have you here.
Look, we're almost running out of time, but I want to ask a few more things. Dreams.
Yeah. Like when we have a very vivid dream about someone, is that really sending us a message? It's just our unconscious mind.
It can be very real. So it depends because our dreams can really be just a release of what we're working on during our day.
We can be affected by what we eat or what we even watch on TV before we go to bed. But it's very real that there can be people that you love and know that are visiting you on the astral.
Now, when we sleep and get really far out there is when we truly heal. And look, so many people have so many, everything as we get older is about sleep because that is where we heal.
But we want to, there's a difference between if you have a nightmare with something, that can really just be, say, that difference of light or dark. There's some energy trying to mess with you in your dream space.
But we really want to do whatever we can to get the greatest sleep and get way out there.

And you can absolutely be visited by your loved ones.

That's very real in your dream space.

Yeah, especially like I know a lot of people are going to ask,

like if you lost someone and it's very hard, right,

to lose someone that you loved.

I know because I lost my mom and it feels like it was yesterday.

It was a few years ago, but I feel like she died yesterday. And then I lost a later Anthony he was my ex-husband but he was my best friend I never ever ever dream of either once in a blue moon I have like a very vivid dream about my mom yeah like maybe once I don't know every two three years do you think maybe it's her way of trying to communicate with me? Well, you should just know it takes a lot for her to do that.
So now, you know, if someone passes and you don't ever feel them around you or you don't dream about them, again, they're working on what has happened to them on the other side. They can just be so deep in a state of being out of it that they're not in a place to be able to come and communicate with you.
And then the longer that they have passed, the more their kind of energy dissipates or they're not in a place to be able to come visit with you. Right when someone passes, they've got a greater energy and ability to come and interact with you.
And so your mom, like when I look at your mom, I think that she, it's just, it takes so much to get, look, I think your mom has been in your space. I think that there's a lot that's gone on for you that makes it hard for you to recognize.
There are the moments when you recognize that she's in your space when you're able to kind of let go and you're like in alignment that she's able to get to that communication.

So it's kind of really more, I think, as you heal more and more and let go of all this stuff that happened and it's kind of compacted around you, you're going to be way more in communication with her. Yeah, so if somebody's in the same situation as I am, because many many times when somebody dies we try to figure out ways to deal with the pain and one of those ways is to feel the the person's presence somehow so if someone is listening and they want to work with you because it's like you were saying healing the pain and going through that um is it one session is it like just give us an idea like how long i do a lot i do a lot in one session so to me i don't you know i'm available for repeat sessions but you could have one session with me and never have to have another session in your life or you come back every couple years there's there's no rules um and i do you know do have lots of clients that get 15-minute follow-up sessions when they have things that they want to look at.
But it's something I look at every day, but it wouldn't be our only focus. You'd get to ask that in a combination of all your other questions.
And we can send healing to that person depending upon what situation they're in. And we do a lot, which you know, in that healing of kind of clearing out the space between you being able to use your own intuition and your own healing abilities and your own connection with your guides and teachers.
It's really just, you guys, it's this very dense world that we're living in and thought forms are very real. And we've got these gazillions of thought forms that are around the planet.
And it's just, you know, we're just trying to do a job being able to survive and get through our life and, you know, be able to, it really, it's the biggest thing I can give you as a takeaway is it just, everything is about your relationship with yourself. And as you heal yourself, the outside just naturally follows.
And especially this crazy world we're living in and the crazier that it's getting, we've got to find a way to continue to be letting go of what we can so that you can just be as aware as, you know, the ability to kind of move fast and awareness is the greatest key.

Yes, I agree. So somebody out there listening that is skeptical, I love that you said like people are entitled to their opinion be skeptical um but any message like in terms of if if some because if some people are skeptical but they wanna trust a psychic they just don't know who to trust you know what i mean i have friends like that.
Like when I told a few friends like that I met you and they're like, oh my God, like, but is she the person I should trust? Is she not the person I shouldn't trust? Yeah. Do your research.
You know, I feel like I've got a lot of, like, I even have a tab on my website that's proof that is crazy things I've predicted in the press that have come true, you know, proving that psychic ability is real. Not that I care about that stuff.
I don't care about I don't care about being right. I want you to get what you want in your life.
But again, be skeptical. Ninety nine nine point nine percent of what's out there, I believe, is crap.
Like you just like anything. It's like going to look for the best plastic surgeon or the best lawyer.
Do your homework. I completely agree.
Yeah. Before I let you go, signs.
You know how so many people say, oh, my God, I want to date somebody that is a Leo or an Aquarius. Does that have an influence in our lives and our personality? Well, I'm such not an astrologer.
one of my closest friends and partners in business is a big astrologer. I only know from like my own life of the signs.
I think it's very real because like there's a certain male sign that over and over and over and over again finds me and loves me. And I am not attracted to the sign whatsoever.
Whichgo. Like men, you know, like Virgo women I love, but like Virgo men.
And I know that your rising sign has a lot to do with it, but I just know like... So there are patterns.
It is, you know, like for me, I know what I'm attracted to or not, and I believe in that. But I also know I don't believe astrology fully reflects your your life like I don't believe the exact moment of what you're born like because destiny's not in stone we have the ability to change things so I think you know again there's been a lot of energy put into that and it's fun and if that's a big thing you know whatever works I'm the biggest fan of whatever works I love that.
I love your attitude. Can you tell me where people find you? I'm going to put the website, but your website is the psychic girl.com.
It's very easy to find, or you can Google Justine Kay or psychic girl.com. And there's all kinds of information and all my past appearances and press stories and everything to read about that's just fun and stories.
You can read about the truth about finding your soulmate and all these different things that are linked on there. I love that.
So if we don't find our soulmate, maybe we find the twin. Don't look.
Not the twin flame. What is the name? Twin Ray.
Twin Ray. Stop.
Where are you? Stop looking. There's lots of them.
Believe me. Stop looking for your soulmate so and you know no that's fine the twin twin ray twin ray is fine I'm happy with that yeah just just heal yourself on the inside and you will not be able to stop people like the right people coming in for you amazing you're amazing thank you I apologize again for the chaos with.
You know, this is a big topic we were talking about so it was all the energy trying to get in between. Let's do a deal.
Like, I'm sure I'll invite you to come back because I know I'm going to get hundreds of questions for you. And maybe people can write, write, we can answer some questions on air.
Yeah, then we can have you back and do like a Q&A. So fun.
So guys, if you're listening to this episode, start sending your questions, contact at catondelouse.com or WhatsApp 1-305-332-0338 and I will bring her back because this is a topic of huge curiosity and I'm so grateful that you're shedding light on the subject. Thank you for asking such great questions.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
All right. This was amazing, guys.

Be safe.

Have self-love first.

I'll see you soon back in my real studio.

Thank you.