Built Different ft. Dana White

I flew from Vegas.

Oh,

I'm going from here to Austin right after this.

And then from Austin to New York, New York to Abu Dhabi, Abu Dhabi to London, and then back to Vegas.

Oh, I'm exhausted for you.

Me too.

Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland.

Today's guest is the one and only Dana White, the unapologetic force behind one of the biggest sports empires in the world.

Why do you think fighting is so universal?

It's just something inside us as human beings.

We are fascinated by who the toughest person in the world is.

We are all drawn to it.

You don't find out who's who and what's what until hits the fan.

Here comes COVID and you're looking at laying off 38% of the staff.

There's no way in hell that I was going to let that happen.

You can only be canceled if you allow people that you don't give a about to cancel you.

Right.

You have a core that you care about that are your people.

I mean, if they cancel you, that's a whole nother story.

Right.

And then you should.

Who gives a what everybody everybody else thinks?

I agree.

Thank you for coming all the way from Vegas.

Thanks for having me.

I'm so excited.

My brother is so excited.

He was telling me all about your slap boxing and all that kind of stuff.

So he's big.

I haven't seen your brother in a minute.

It's been a long time since I've seen your brother.

Yeah, probably over 10 years.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, my brother loves to be a little elusive.

So he is,

I call him like the wizard from the Wizard of Oz because he likes to be behind the curtain.

We all live in the same gated area.

So he lives right next door to me.

But

we were working out together.

And I said, I was going to see you this week.

And he was broing out for sure and telling me all these stats.

I'm like, okay, well, I'm not going to retain all of that.

But he's obsessed with you.

But I am such a fan of yours, but maybe for different reasons than most of your normal fans.

Thank you.

I am such a fan of, I think, number one, your loyalty just to people.

And this is all from afar.

I don't know you on a personal level.

Right.

But I think if anyone pays attention to you or sees clips of you, your loyalty is unmatched and it comes through the screen.

thank you.

Something that I read about you is during COVID when everyone was laying people off, people were losing their jobs left and right, that you were like, fuck it, I'm not,

or fuck you, I'm not going to lay anybody off.

Everyone's going to keep their jobs.

And if I read correctly, you were going to take a pay cut in order for everyone to keep theirs.

Not a pay cut.

I was going to give up my salary and bonus.

Got it.

If I was wrong and we couldn't go through because i was going to go through covet no matter what

and that actually covet is the is the perfect example of of loyalty and you don't find out who's who and what's what until the shit hits the fan

right we all love each other and we're here that uh until you hit hard times in any relationship you you don't find out until you hit hard times and sponsors too i don't even want to be with a sponsor that i'm not aligned with and that you know yeah in as many ways as possible.

Because I had some sponsors going through COVID that were nightmares.

You know, and paying us big money, but absolute nightmares.

I wouldn't sign a deal with them again if they tripled the number.

Damn.

Seriously.

Damn.

But yeah,

so

after we did the Ultimate Fighter, the UFC was this rocket ship of success.

And, you know, we're all working hard and

doing our thing.

And we throw these unbelievable Christmas parties every year for the team.

Yeah, it's an HR nightmare.

Like, I encourage everybody to get drunk and have a blast.

And, you know,

they're fun.

We've had like

the red-hot chili peppers play at our Christmas parties.

Oh, shit.

Snoop, you name them.

We've had everybody play, and it's a blast.

And I get up there every year and tell my team how much I love them and how much they mean to me and all this stuff.

So then here comes COVID and, you know, probably the scariest time in our lifetime.

And

you're looking at laying off 38% of the staff.

Yeah.

Right.

Oh, you love us, but, and we're so important to you.

And now here's the scariest time that there's no way in hell that I was going to let that happen.

No way in hell.

We were either going to figure this out or we were going to all go down together.

So,

yeah, I put up my salary and my bonus.

If I was wrong and we couldn't make it through COVID, then, you know, then the company didn't take the hit.

Your obvious determination and your way.

You know how to build a business.

I really admire that, but also your family unity.

It reminds me so much of me and my family.

Your love and loyalty to your kids and your wife.

It's so much how you resemble so much of my dad to me, how he was viciously with his family.

Thank you.

And still being able to be a bad, badass businessman.

Like, that's how my dad was.

And I don't know if you get enough credit for that.

I think people talk about your loyalty a lot.

It's it's important to me.

Um, if you don't have loyalty, what do you have?

I mean, really, what do you have?

You can't if you can't trust the people uh you're around and with and and uh I mean my people at UFC a lot of them have been been with me for,

you know, the girl who's out in the hallway right now,

my head of PR, has been with me forever.

And we're all tight.

These are the people that I work with every day and travel with and do everything with.

And yeah, we're all incredibly loyal to each other.

Loyalty is a two-way street.

So they've been very loyal to me and I've been very loyal to them.

It is.

But you still have this presence about you that's like, don't fuck with me, but I'm going to ride for you if you ride for me.

And how do you find that balance?

Or what is that balance?

I don't know.

I think that anything in life, like you see a lot of these people that

work for companies,

and you give so much of yourself

when you work.

Time, energy,

sacrifice, things you miss.

You know, everybody has

their things in their life, whether it's your kids, you miss the first step, you miss plays, you miss miss practices, you miss games, all these things.

For you know, you have to make a living, but you're doing it for this company.

And you start to feel

a sense of loyalty to either the people you work for, the place you work for, whatever it is.

And when that loyalty isn't reciprocated, it's a shitty feeling.

Mm-hmm.

Like my offices in Vegas, I have this massive closet in there with all my clothes and all my, you know, all your shit that you want, whether you want to change or you work out or you do whatever i have a crazy gym spy you know i do all this you know coal plunging and sauna i have literally the whole setup there i have the entire setup at my house too so there's never any excuses on why you can't do it um but you spend most of your time at work right you at least want to love the people that you go to work with every day and you know yeah hopefully you care about them in some way shape or form and they feel the same way about you i think it shows with the people you have around you.

I think especially the longevity, because that's what you were saying.

You've had people around you for such a long time.

And I don't know if this will make sense, but to me, I also think it's because you're from the East Coast.

Like, I feel like there is a difference in East Coast men versus West Coast men.

Right.

I think that I was married to a New Yorker, and it's just a different vibe and energy.

Yeah, I'm lucky because I got the best of both worlds.

I had East Coast and West Coast growing up.

So,

yeah, I wouldn't change that in a million years.

I'm really lucky that I had both.

Yeah, I think it's the best.

I really do.

Your

family unity and like your love for your kids.

You have two sons and a daughter, correct?

Yeah.

How old are your kids?

So my boys are 22 and 23, and my daughter's 18.

That poor daughter.

Yeah, no, it's good for her.

She's

great for her.

She's well protected.

That's what I mean.

It's great for her.

But I don't know if I would want to be

between 16 to 20 being your kid or having brothers.

I'm sure your sons are viciously protective of her.

Built-in security.

I love it.

It's perfect.

It couldn't have worked out any better that, you know, I had two boys older than her.

And then,

you know, my wife had a tubular pregnancy.

So her tube burst and her other tube was kinked.

And they said that she couldn't have any more kids.

So we had two boys.

We were good, you know.

And then we were in Cabo, and she didn't feel good, and she was feeling sick.

And I ended up, she was pregnant with my daughter.

So

me and my daughter, super tight.

We just flew to,

she's going to the University of Miami.

Oh, nice.

Yes.

Congratulations.

We just went and toured the campus on Monday.

And

yeah, she's living down in San Diego.

Diego she loves it down there she

we were on vacation in Italy and she busts out with I want to move to San Diego and go to cathedral I don't know why and you just let her go well we looked into it and liked it and it was actually a great move she she she ended up doing her last two years of high school there she loved the school she loved the teachers the kids it was

It was the right move.

My mom's from La Jolla, so I'm familiar with San Diego.

I love it down there.

It's so nice down there.

It really is.

I think that's to me, if you can, I think that's amazing that she took that step for high school because now she's going to go to another state, but she's close enough to be, you know, closer to you than all the way in Florida.

So that's still, I'm not, I have a, my daughter will be seven in April, and I'm not ready.

Yeah, I know, you're never ready.

It's, it's weird when the, when the house starts to empty out and you lose a certain energy in the house.

But well, your boys don't live with you or do they?

No, the boys are both both gone.

My oldest lives in Boston now.

He moved to Boston.

He's working for Fanatics.

Nice.

And he's going to go to grad school out there.

And then my younger son actually is into anime.

And he did a comic that's coming out with Dark Horse.

Oh, that's so cool.

Probably the end of this year.

That's so cool.

Well, congratulations on all of them.

Thank you.

So you're going to be an empty nester.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm a couple months away.

That's a trip.

Yeah.

I don't know know if I'm going to like being an empty nester.

Yeah.

I won't.

I can guarantee.

I won't.

You and your whole family live in the same cul-de-sac.

You're definitely not going to like being an empty nester.

No, I'll probably shave my head and go nuts or something.

Or buy a ton of animals.

Or buy the houses next door to you and they'll live there.

Well, what I think I'm doing now is I'm sort of brainwashing my kids to think this is normal to live next to your mom.

So then when I'm old enough, they're just going to think this is what you're supposed to do.

Yeah.

So that's awesome.

A little brainwashing is fine.

There's nothing wrong with that.

No.

And it's awesome that you have a Thai family.

When you think about the fact that you guys film together, work together, do everything together, and still have such a great relationship.

It's amazing.

We have our moments that we want to kill each other, but we all really

come back.

Yes.

And that's something that our dad really instilled in us.

My dad's Armenian, and I really think there's a lot of that culture that's just embedded in you.

Like, it doesn't matter you figure it out.

You never, like the people that are like I haven't spoken to my sister in three years like that would never be us right, it's just not an option for us and then when my dad died my mom still instilled the same ethics and morals that my dad was Building in us is your mom Armenian?

No, no, but she definitely took on the Armenian culture as much my grandma made sure of that.

Yeah

for your your confidence and your loyalty.

Where do you think you get that from?

I don't know.

Yeah, listen, my mom was crazy.

You're talking about family.

My mom was nuts.

And my dad was never around.

So I think that me and my sister grew up fast.

You know, we sort of, we were home alone a lot because we had a single mom who was a nurse.

She worked a lot.

And,

you know, we grew up in the 80s when,

you know,

it was a lot different growing up then than it is now.

Yes.

You know, my parents were obviously much different parents.

My kids were never allowed to sleep anywhere, go sleep over anybody's house or any of that, any of that kind of shit.

So

me and my sister did whatever we wanted to.

You know, we had to come home and do our chores and that kind of stuff.

But we were pretty much on our own.

So I think that.

We grew up a lot faster than my kids

definitely did.

Why?

So I don't let my kids sleep anywhere.

I'm very strict about it.

Times are different.

So I won't let my daughter or my son, who's two and a half, but they're not allowed to have sleepovers just because I'm one of those types of, I just, I think too much.

I've watched too much dateline.

I get it.

Yeah, exactly.

So I know you don't sugarcoat really anything, which is why I love you.

But what is something that people waste too much time worrying about that you don't think they should?

Hmm.

That's a great question.

I love solving problems.

I love coming up with solutions to you're very solution-based.

Yeah.

That's my whole deal.

That is very much my mom.

And I think that quality in people can't really be learned.

I think you're born like that.

And you just innately have this desire to always figure shit out.

Yeah.

And you have to love to get in the pocket and

love stress.

And

it's a very sick, weird thing.

It's like if everything's going too smooth, I sort of have to shake shit up and create more problems.

Well, knowing that you're that type of person, do you think you're ever going to retire?

No, right.

No, I don't think so either.

I can't imagine it.

I can't imagine my mom retiring either.

I think you

need that stimulation mentally.

And I also think that once people do retire and you've your brain isn't working, that's when you, your body really slows down.

That's true.

I've heard that.

I don't know that for a fact, but I've heard it.

And,

you know, when you talk about retiring and me retiring, I'm taking on more shit every day instead of retiring.

It's

like the UFC isn't enough.

That's not enough of a job to do.

Now I'm doing, you know, like your brother told you, PowerSlap.

I got boxing now.

I was in boxing meetings all day yesterday.

Yeah.

So.

Keep piling it on.

I love it.

Yeah.

I think the more, the better.

And it keeps you distracted from life and just keeps you going.

I think people who work more, like if they love to work, if it's healthy for them mentally, that they live longer.

Well, you know this, too.

You've taken your health serious over the last several years.

That's a full-time job.

Jesus Christ.

I mean, you start cold plunging and sauna and all the other biohacking shit.

I mean, it eats up half your day.

Half your day.

I love biohacking.

I do too.

Oh, my God.

The shit that we have access to now.

It's incredible.

I heard you see Dr.

Gary from Florida.

Yeah, yeah Gary Brecca yeah yeah

I've met with him a few times I think when we're in town he gives us IVs and stuff but I think you guys had him before I before I ever met him you know he's you guys were working with him really smart biohacking I met with Brian Johnson do you know who he is yeah yeah guy spends like two million bucks a year biohacking but yes but to pick his brain and see what he does it's truly his full-time job and it's incredible.

That's when it becomes obsessive.

You know what I mean?

I feel like I'm obsessive right now.

He's a whole nother level.

When you're living to try to live longer.

Yeah, no, it's not

obtainable.

Like, that's not realistic for my day-to-day.

Me neither.

But everyone's different.

But it's fascinating what he does.

And it's just, it's what we have the opportunities to do.

It's so true.

The knowledge that we have now that they didn't have.

25 years ago.

Right.

It's fascinating.

Yeah.

I love it.

And

I'm not not really trying to live, you know, I'm not trying to live to be 100 or any of that kind of shit.

I just want to have a good quality of life while I'm alive.

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So is it true I read that

I'm probably messing this up, but maybe you did blood work and you were told you only had 10 years to live and then you adapted everything.

Well, no, what I found out is that he

could tell you

how long you could live.

Then I became obsessed with that.

I just wanted to know how long I was going to live.

But then that could be changed.

Yes.

Okay.

Exactly.

He gave me 10.4 years.

That's horrible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But

definitely on point.

I mean, I was...

I was a fucking mess.

Really?

Yeah, I was a mess.

I was a mess.

And

now, me and my wife, when we think about the 10.4 years, we're like, it was probably earlier than that.

I mean, I had real bad sleep apnea.

Right.

Like, I'd wake up choking in the middle of the night and shit like that.

My legs, I could barely put my shoes on.

Oh, that's horrible.

Stuff like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was a mess.

And you go see doctors and the answer to all the problems is different pills or more pills.

Now I'm on no pills.

Which isn't doing shit.

Right.

What is your favorite like biohacking treatment?

Well, I'm addicted to cold plunging.

I mean, every morning when I i get up i cold plunge sauna

i can that's the one thing i'm such a pussy at the cold plunge really i brad and i talk about that brad will do it i can't do it a lot of people it's funny how how how tough it is for a lot of people in in the beginning when you first start but then it becomes an absolute addiction like

you got to know somebody that can't start their day without coffee right

i i can't start my day without cold plunge the cold plunge and if i do i feel like shit and as soon as i land anywhere I go right to a cold plunge.

Like I'm flying from here to Austin.

I'll have a cold plunge in Austin.

Oh, that's amazing.

They say it's better for you even than Sana, the cold plunge.

People are now saying it's the best thing for you.

It's just fucking hard to get in that water.

It's legit.

You really are.

I'm going to point out no matter where I go, it could be 35 degrees.

It could be 50 degrees.

It doesn't bother me at all.

I can do any temperature.

Fuck.

Yeah.

I love it.

God, you really are a beast.

It's amazing.

What is an insane behind-the-scenes story with some fighters?

Oh, man.

I mean, there's been so, I've been doing this for, I've been in the business for 30 years.

I've been doing this for like 25 years, but

there's so many crazy stories.

I mean,

this business, the behind-the-scenes is...

is where all the crazy shit happens and negotiations and interactions with these guys,

fight night backstage, you know, when crazy shit happens.

I don't know if there's any one crazy thing that stands out in my mind other than like the Connor situation in New York when he attacked the bus that Habib and those guys were on.

Probably the craziest thing that's ever happened.

And a couple of Diaz Brothers incidents, which we've, which are all public.

I mean, they fought and then they got to the hospital.

They went to the same hospital and they ended up fighting in the hospital, which is probably the craziest story in the, in the history of the, of the sport, let alone

the UFC.

Do you feel like you are

sort of like a godfather slash father to these guys, also a therapist, also not like a babysitter, but I feel like your position, you play so many fucking roles.

That's not just.

When the company was younger,

yes.

When we were building the company, you know, I had these relationships with the guys that and girls too.

I mean, me and Ronda Rousey,

yeah, that was, it was different then than it is now that it's so much bigger.

But the answer was yes.

It was very much like that in the early days.

Would you ever want your sons to be fighters?

My sons or my daughter, if that's what they wanted to do, I always tell, you know, I'm not one of these guys, like, oh, I want my kids to be a doctor or a lawyer or any of the shit.

I just want my kids to be happy.

Right.

And you know better than anybody, whatever gets you up in the morning, whatever makes you happy, it could be pumping gas.

I could give a shit.

Whatever makes you happy, it's what I want you to do.

And if it was fighting, I would absolutely support it.

Why do you think fighting is so universal?

Why do you think it's like, especially during COVID when everything was shut down and you saw what a peak?

it made and how it's on the up and up.

Like, why do you think it's such a universal sport that people

just something inside us as human beings, we get fighting and we like it.

And we are fascinated by who the toughest person in the world is.

We are all drawn to it.

And I mean, if you think of Tyson and his peak, when that guy would walk into a room, the whole place would go, holy shit, there's Mike Tyson.

No other sport has that.

You know, you'd be excited.

Oh, there's.

Michael Jordan or whoever.

But

when one of those guys walk walk in the room and they're looked at as the baddest human being on the planet, men, women, everybody is just drawn to it.

They are.

And what I do notice in other sports is they're sort of fair weather.

They will be up someone's ass if someone's winning, if they won a championship.

But as soon as they lose, they boo them, they throw shit at them.

And you don't get the same from what I see in fighting.

Well, what's fascinating about other sports is even those other athletes look up to

Tyson-like guys.

you're right you know do you have one that you because i know you started off in boxing yeah but do you have one that you prefer more than the other whether sport no no no i like all types of fighting i mean i'm doing fucking slapping now i mean it's just i i like it all

if somebody's hitting somebody else i'm in and that

you i read something i think it was in your time article that that has more success at the beginning than

it's it's you have seen the most successful thing i've ever been a part part of in such a short amount of time.

Is that not fucking crazy?

Crazy.

That's crazy.

It's crazy.

And, you know, it's incredibly viral.

So, I mean, the numbers that this thing pulls on social media is insane.

That's just, people just want to see people slap the shit out of someone.

Apparently.

Something that I think is really fascinating is your TV show that started in...

2005, The Ultimate Fighter, and it's still running.

And you attribute the success of the UFC partially because of the reality show.

No, 100% because of the reality show.

Oh, wow.

At the time, we couldn't get on television.

The UFC now,

I try to tell this story.

It's hard to explain, but this thing was so,

I mean, it was illegal in some places.

That's how bad it was.

Think about this.

As a grown adult, you didn't have the right to buy it on pay-per-view.

Porn was on pay-per-view.

Wow.

The UFC was not allowed on pay-per-view.

And when did that change?

After the Ultimate Fighter.

Once we got the Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV

and,

you know, it blew up and, you know, did massive numbers, then we got back on pay-per-view and that's how the business really got rolling.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

And the show's still on now.

I literally just filmed it yesterday.

Yesterday was the last shooting day.

for the 20.

It's the 20th anniversary.

Wow.

Yeah, 20 years the show has been on.

That's crazy.

Congratulations.

Thanks.

I I don't think people realize how massive that is, like how successful something has to be TV-wise.

To stay on for 20 years.

To stay on for 20 years, especially now when everyone wants to do a show, everyone will do anything.

It's so true.

To be in front of that camera.

And you have YouTube now and social media and

all these disruptors from and

you know, linear television is dying.

Did you think by selling that TV show it would have an impact on the UFC?

Yeah, we hoped it would.

We always felt like if we could get this on free television, then the rest of the world would see it for what we saw in it, and we thought it would be very popular.

And I always believed that this would work everywhere, all around the world.

So when you talk about, I used to have this, you know, when I grew up, there was channel 3, channel 5, channel 8, and channel 13.

Then in high school, cable came, it was like 33 channels, then satellite.

But I always believed that there would be a day where everybody around the world would be able to watch the same channel at the same time, you know, and now that's happening.

So I believe that in the next, you know, six, seven, ten years, there will be a channel three, channel five, channel eight, and channel 13 globally.

Who's it going to be?

Is it going to be Amazon, YouTube, Disney?

You know, we'll see how that plays out.

But when you think about what I've told you about fighting, what's the ceiling on this business?

Right.

8 billion people.

There's 8 billion people in the world.

And your belief has always been, regardless at the beginning when you were losing money, you never lost focus in what you believed this company would be.

Right.

And everything in life is about timing.

You know,

we knew we had

the right product, the right people that were involved was the timing right for it.

But not everyone would hold out the way you did.

Like you're, I think

you're being very humble about your belief and your determination that this just your confidence in the brand and the company.

Well, I literally don't get involved in anything that I don't believe.

Yeah.

And, you know what I mean?

I don't get paid to do shit anymore except

work.

UFC shift.

You know, you couldn't pay me to promote this

book or whatever.

I wouldn't do it.

I'd only get involved in things that I truly believe in and that I'm really passionate about.

I love that.

And I think people know that.

And I think now so many people are so privy to that people get paid to do half this shit that they, it's like they could smell blood.

They know when it's bullshit.

True.

And the more that you water yourself down, just the less authentic and believable you're going to be.

I agree 100%.

Have you ever been

screwed over by one of your employees or someone that you've trusted and then regretted that?

When

they talk about canceling people, like getting canceled, it's always fascinating to me because

who cancels you?

Like you live in a cul-de-sac with your entire family, right?

That's all you give a shit about.

Yeah.

Who's going to cancel you?

Some other assholes that you could give a shit about that don't like you or going to say whatever.

I I mean, you have, you have a core of people that are in your life.

Those are the only people that can cancel you, right?

I agree.

Who gives a shit what everybody else thinks or what their opinions are.

And it blows over.

Like, you only get canceled if you allow, like, when those people are like, okay, and then they're, they're going to rehab the next day.

Shut the fuck up.

You didn't even do something big enough to go to your fake rehab.

That's what that is, is just to pretend like you're being accountable for something you're not even sorry for.

That's normally what that is.

If you're like, fuck you, you, and you ignore the internet for two days.

So true.

That cancellation period is done.

And anybody else

that doesn't like something you did or said or how you lived your life or whatever your deal is,

yeah, you can only be canceled if you allow people that you don't give a shit about to cancel you.

Right.

You have a core or a group of people that you care about that you interact with every day that are your people.

Right.

I mean, if they cancel you, that's a whole nother story.

Right.

And then you should.

Who gives a shit what everybody else thinks?

I agree.

So, what would you say is the most pivotal moment in your life that changed you for the better?

Yeah, there's a couple.

You know,

there's a couple that stand out in my mind.

It's funny, this full circle moment happened to me.

Have you ever heard of the movie Vision Quest?

No.

So it was a movie in the 80s with Matthew Modine.

It's a wrestling movie.

It's like

a wrestling Rocky movie.

Okay.

But it has all these really

incredible elements in the movie that completely spoke to me when I was 15 years old.

And they just invited me.

It's the 40th anniversary.

Oh, no, when?

And it was in Spokane, Washington, where it was filmed.

And I flew there on

Sunday.

And

they had the films.

It was like 1,000 people there.

And I made my sons watched the movie like 400 times when they were growing up.

But my daughter had never seen it.

So we flew there.

We went to the 40th anniversary thing.

And Matthew Modine was there, and the guy who taught him how to wrestle for the movie.

But that movie

was a very

pivotal moment in my life.

And right around that same time,

we lived in Vegas, and there was this asshole who lived behind us, you know, single mom with two little kids, and he used to fucking torture us, man, always fucking with us and doing stuff.

And then one day I was sitting at the kitchen table, and I heard somebody yelling.

And I realized it was him yelling at my mom.

She was out back cleaning the pool.

And I realized it was him yelling over the wall at my mother.

And then that day I just snapped.

Rightfully so.

And I ran out back and I jumped up on the wall and I said, if you ever stick your head over this wall again and da-da-da-da-da, I'm going to beat the shit out of you.

And the guy literally, we never heard from him ever again.

You know, a 15-year-old kid.

Yeah.

all the years that he was messing with a single mom and her two little kids, that was the day that like,

you know, I don't want to say that's the day I became a man or any crazy shit like that, but everything changed after that day.

Yeah,

it was weird.

But that one moment stands out in my mind in my life when, you know, I was growing up.

Because I remember thinking, this guy would do so much crazy shit when we were growing up and we were little.

I was just always like, if my dad was here, my dad would beat the shit out of this guy.

But yeah.

And you wouldn't fuck with us if my dad was here.

100%.

Fuck you.

100%.

I hate people like that.

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The last thing I want to talk about is your love story.

I met my wife in eighth grade.

Oh my God.

I went to a school called St.

Vieter's

in Vegas, my eighth grade year.

And

that's where we met.

Did you know in eighth grade you were going to marry her?

No.

No.

No, I definitely didn't know that.

But, you know, we were friends all through high school.

We never dated.

We were really good friends.

And then

I moved back to Boston

after we graduated,

lived there for almost 10 years.

And then when I came back to Vegas, she picked me up at the airport, and we've been together ever since.

I love that.

That was 1995.

I love that.

Wow.

Yeah.

So what, 30 years?

Yeah, almost 30 years.

Yeah.

I went to homeschool.

So it took me a second to figure out.

I was going to

let me count.

That's funny.

What type of parenting style do you have?

I think I know.

but

I'm actually really laid back

with a lot of stuff.

Yeah.

Not so much with my daughter, but with my sons.

I'm very laid back.

I believe they get to do things that she doesn't get to do.

I believe, and I think people might hate me for this, but I think there's a double standard, but for the right reasons.

100%.

Yeah.

I agree with you.

I don't want my daughter to be doing the same things my son's going to do.

I could not agree with you more.

Thank you.

And you know what?

I'm lucky because

my daughter doesn't disagree.

She's been real easy.

She's been awesome.

Yeah.

I really lucked out with her.

So, yeah, it's been good.

Her and I have a really good relationship.

I pray that's what I, I mean, I my daughter's amazing.

She's my best friend, but I pray we have an easy teenage.

How old is she now?

She'll be seven.

Yeah.

I have time, but I was a terrorist as a teenager, stole cars, snuck out, I did whatever.

I didn't need to.

I just was a badass kid so I'm like I don't want my karma yeah I feel like I've had

I feel like I've had bad karma in life for other areas that like I'm good now you know what I was

a crazy kid too but I never tell my sons any of those stories or any of that stuff that's my problem yeah don't tell them don't don't tell them don't give them any ideas 100 when i grew up i got had a real job i worked i started as a teenager like working at the ice cream shop and then it was a clothing store and I had real jobs before this world.

And I know you worked at, as a hotel, Bellman.

Yep.

And construction.

And I did all the shitty.

You got to have all those shitty jobs.

And that's the hard part about

when you make money.

Like my younger son, Aiden, he didn't want to go to college.

So I said, okay, but you're going to work.

So he actually had to go out and start putting in applications.

He was living out here in California.

And

I had him going to like In-N-Out Burger.

Long story short, he ended up getting a job at U-Haul.

And

he fucking hated that job.

Hated that job.

But those are the, you have to have that experience.

You have to know.

It's like dating.

You got to know what a bad experience is to find out what a good experience is, right?

So

when you have these shitty jobs,

what they really teach you is what you don't want to do.

This is what you don't want to do.

um

but it's hard it is hard so you do encourage your kids how's the kardashing gonna go out and start putting in applications at u-haul you know wow but like i tell her now i'm like what do you think your job's gonna be when you're a teenager like i like to embed that in her like are you gonna be a waitress i don't know what do you want to do but my mom made my first job when i was four besides the ice cream shop on in summer, I had to clean clothing store bathrooms.

And that was because I was too young to be out on the floor.

They didn't trust me.

And like cleaning someone's toilets, I was like, what is, why is my mom making me do this?

But

now I thank my mom every day.

I'm like, thank fucking God she made me do that.

No, it's true.

You have to have that.

And that's what I was saying, too, with me and my sister.

When we were growing up, like,

we were my mom's slaves.

We used to have to do the, you know, we did our own laundry.

We cleaned the house.

I used to have to, I swear to God, I'd be mowing the lawn.

And I'm like, when I grow up, I'm going to make enough money so I never have to mow another fucking lawn again in my life.

And

I hated mowing the lawn.

I had to fucking trim the bushes and all that shit.

I was a landscaper.

And I swear to God, I said, I'm never doing this when I get older.

This is never going to happen.

But these are the kind of experiences you have to have when you're younger.

And

it's definitely what freaked me out, too.

And raising kids.

I was like, my kids can never grow up the way I grew up.

I grew up under

way different circumstances than

my kids did.

And it's just impossible for your kids to have the same experiences.

But it's even impossible in ways like

we were dropped off at the mall or the movie theaters.

Like, they can't even do those things alone anymore.

So their experiences are limited in even social interactions now.

You left the house and went out and played all day and didn't come back till the street lights came on.

That shit just doesn't exist anymore.

My brother and I were were saying, do you remember how we would play in like a water reservoir?

But we loved it.

We were riding our bikes down the main streets and like, it's incredible that so many kids from the 80s are still alive.

I know.

It's insane.

Well, Dana, thank you so much for coming all the way from Vegas.

I mean, your schedule is crazy.

You would love my sister Kim because she flies just as much as you do.

I bet she does.

Yeah, I know.

You guys are fucking animals, man.

I respect how hard you guys work.

And people don't get it.

You'll always have talking shit a bunch of do-nothing know-nothing people that talk shit having cameras in your faces growing up the way you did all the time it's it's it's it's a nightmare that's you know i i do this much with our reality show that we do um

you guys are a whole nother level and and uh people don't realize how hard you guys work thank you congrats on all your success thank you yeah you started 2005 we started 2006 7 yeah so right around the world but it's in your personal space, in your house, and in your cars, and in your, in your personal life.

Tough.

Not easy.

It's a lot, but somehow we just get closer and closer.

It's awesome.

Yeah.

Well, thank you.

Congrats.

Thank you.