"Candor" (w/ Sarah Jessica Parker)

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Speaker 81 Look, man.

Speaker 82 Oh, my.

Speaker 83 Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture?

Speaker 82 Yes.

Speaker 84 Goodness.

Speaker 51 Las Cultoristas.

Speaker 81 Ding-dong.

Speaker 83 Las Culturistas calling.

Speaker 86 And like Carrie Bradshaw, we have returned from Paris.

Speaker 88 We have returned from Paris.

Speaker 90 We have to go to New York and hid in the streets again.

Speaker 33 I mean, and we were in an expensive suite in this lovely hotel.

Speaker 93 And we did not find love there.

Speaker 33 We did not find love there. Thank you to Bianca Mila of BC Travel.

Speaker 83 At BC Travel. At BC Travel.

Speaker 91 We didn't really try to find love, though.

Speaker 93 We didn't make earnest attempts.

Speaker 85 We made half-assed attempts.

Speaker 96 No.

Speaker 85 I think

Speaker 33 even for staying in the Marais, it was still a pretty i would say and i say this with all love yeah during pride month it was a pretty pretty hetero sort of romance being sort of bandied about and then even sort of i don't know like at an allegedly gay club that we were supposed to go to that we did end up going to oh that didn't feel gay at all the energy was kind of more black swan

Speaker 99 straight sort of biomass than it was like an explicitly queer space and that's okay you just took me back to we were in nyu and i walked on it was was Fourth Avenue and they were filming a movie and I said, what are you guys filming?

Speaker 100 And they said, we are filming a movie called Black Swan.

Speaker 100 And years later, I'd, not years later, a year later, I'd find out it was the iconic scene with Mila Kunis and Natalie Portman where Mila goes, you've never rolled.

Speaker 100 And then they do Molly and have a lesbian encounter.

Speaker 105 Much more successful homosexually than we were in Paris.

Speaker 88 Absolutely.

Speaker 93 But you guys rock, Natalie and Mila.

Speaker 107 And come on the pod.

Speaker 108 Together.

Speaker 107 Together. I hope that they're still connected.

Speaker 109 I'm sure they are. Oh.

Speaker 110 Oh.

Speaker 95 Well, anyway, we're sort of doing that thing where it's like it's a big gas we really can't believe it yeah and so no more of our bullshit because this is a no bullshit moment in lost culture history it's one of those days we were passing back and forth a little phone sort of going shot for shot on iconic moment moments in a certain television series history and really just like sitting in not just the impact, but the talent of our guest, just an incredible actor, as well as being a true pop culture icon, one of the top pop culture icons on our Iconic 400, I believe number five.

Speaker 33 Number five. And she was my first sort of pop cultural Winifred.

Speaker 125 I was like, sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 44 Carol Burnett, we love.

Speaker 126 She would then play Agravaine in her version.

Speaker 33 Once Upon a Mattress was like the big first freshman year musical for me. Huge window into the entire.
This is... Could be an answer for me for the culture that made me say culture vs.

Speaker 107 Me was

Speaker 30 the Broadway revival of Once Upon a Mattress that our guest was the star of.

Speaker 128 For me, outside of the big one, I think I knew a little bit who I was when I watched Hocus Pocus, and I said, Well, I'm that one.

Speaker 131 Yeah, that's the one I am.

Speaker 52 And a dark lip.

Speaker 108 100%. Totally.

Speaker 95 A dark lip and a distracted, bedazzled energy.

Speaker 132 I said, I want to be that unbothered.

Speaker 83 Of course.

Speaker 91 I strive for that.

Speaker 93 They won't expect anything of me.

Speaker 33 No, of course not.

Speaker 112 You're dancing idiotically in the background.

Speaker 89 You can never forget.

Speaker 119 Bet, come on, the pod.

Speaker 92 Bet, come on the pod. Anyway, Kathy.

Speaker 83 Of course, Kathy.

Speaker 133 Well, of course, Kathy.

Speaker 33 I hope they keep in touch.

Speaker 133 But first,

Speaker 33 our guest, well, it's the mayoral primary in New York. I think she's our mayor.
Everyone, please welcome into your room.

Speaker 135 Sam Jessica Bargain!

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. Well, I feel it'd be best if I just left now.
Like, every day I want to be all those things. Like, one day, perhaps I will actually be one or two of those or that person you described.

Speaker 1 But perhaps we just leave

Speaker 136 best left alone.

Speaker 83 Sure, I'll hear that.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much for having me. Have a great day.
And I'll see you next time.

Speaker 137 Honestly, though, it does have to be.

Speaker 25 I was thinking about this, like this idea of you as the woman who represents New York women.

Speaker 88 Like when you are you and you're not Carrie Bradshaw, that's a little bit of a burden, but also I guess not.

Speaker 1 It's really not. None of it's a burden.
Sure. I mean, relative to burdens,

Speaker 81 you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like relative to like actual crosses to bear,

Speaker 1 it's really one of the great privileges of a lifetime my question for you is and i've always wondered this so carrie bradshaw famous shoe game was your shoe game always on point or did you have to kind of up the shoe game as sjp because people see cb oh interesting i think there was a tandem relationship and and but one

Speaker 1 one went mad

Speaker 1 and the other stayed as like a civilian.

Speaker 1 You know, like I have, I really actually have always loved shoes and I will try to tell this story quickly, but I'm one of eight kids.

Speaker 1 There was a period of time in which I was one of six kids, but nonetheless, that's a lot of kids to shoe every year. That's a lot of feet.

Speaker 1 And so at the top of the school year, my mother would take us, and this was not an unusual experience for people in this country. at a specific time.
You'd go to a shoe store before school started.

Speaker 1 You would be sized.

Speaker 1 And we didn't have a lot of money, so we weren't like just shopping for shoes. It was like a utilitarian act in a way.
It was just necessary.

Speaker 1 And we went, and I'm the fourth of the six and now eight, or that, you know, soon after eight. And so I would just like walk around the shoe store smelling shoes.

Speaker 1 And what I loved about a shoe store, and I'm much older than you, so I don't know if you had this experience, but when you walk into the shoe store in August,

Speaker 1 it's air conditioned, first of all. Like, I don't know if you guys grew up with an air conditioner in your house, but we did not.
Like, that is a privilege that in the Ohio summer, August.

Speaker 1 So we walk, you know, drive a good distance to our shoe store that is a distributor of like Buster Brown,

Speaker 1 you know, walk in. And as my siblings were getting fitted, I would like pick up shoes and smell them and then turn them over

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 like really look at the stitching on the bottom of the sole of a Buster Brown shoe.

Speaker 1 So I really came to this experience of playing someone who has a far more fevered relationship issues with some like real affection. I just don't, I didn't have the access or the money or the

Speaker 1 constitution to like be buying.

Speaker 108 Sure.

Speaker 1 Right. Like it would not have,

Speaker 1 I would not have considered that kind of indulgence.

Speaker 83 Yeah.

Speaker 33 It seems like I'm relating this idea to you talking in interviews about having access to books in kind of a similar way. I mean, is that, I mean, obviously different functions.

Speaker 33 But, like,

Speaker 33 I find it interesting that you think that I think I'm implying, I'm going to guess that you

Speaker 33 are the one who's gone mad and Carrie's the one who stayed a civilian. And yet it seems like,

Speaker 1 okay, Carrie went crazy with shoes and I stayed

Speaker 1 more real. Now, granted, perhaps not

Speaker 1 real too. If you might work in an office in Omaha, you might not.

Speaker 1 Our versions of being civilians are not

Speaker 142 terrible.

Speaker 143 Totally, totally.

Speaker 1 I don't have the closet that she has. I don't have the shoes she has.
I don't have the amount, nor would I ever like

Speaker 1 that kind of

Speaker 1 indulgence and decadence for maximalism.

Speaker 1 Yes, maximalist.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't, but I love shoes. Yes.

Speaker 1 So, but books were different in my house because we had a public library. So we always had books.
We could always have books, but you can't always have shoes. Right.

Speaker 1 And so when you grow up, I think having a pair for the fall and a pair for the spring and then hand-me-downs, you have a different, like the, the,

Speaker 1 the thing you're reaching for remains like

Speaker 1 a far away distance, you know? Of course. And books were much more at our, like we, we thought of them, went to the library, like fulfilled, you know, so they kind of are different.
I, I love books.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 144 You can talk about that.

Speaker 1 But I've had a different, it's been different because those have been more within my reach

Speaker 145 when I was younger.

Speaker 146 I mean, I

Speaker 33 am always so curious about the sort of

Speaker 33 transitional time in your life where you were in Ohio to sort of working and probably being in New York for, I guess, many months out of the year.

Speaker 33 Or was it, was that like a sudden, quick, like, okay, we're picking, like, everyone pick up your bags.

Speaker 147 We're going to New York.

Speaker 1 We moved to New York. I lived in Cincinnati until I was

Speaker 1 12.

Speaker 1 My brother and I, the previous summer, in the summer of 76, we'd worked in New York in a play on Broadway. It had gone out of town for out-of-town tryouts first.

Speaker 1 And that was my only experience working in New York.

Speaker 1 My real father is born and raised in Brooklyn, but he wasn't living in Brooklyn by the time he became a parent. So we spent time in Brooklyn with his parents.
So we had that experience.

Speaker 1 And on January 1st of 1977,

Speaker 1 my parents put everything we owned into our Volkswagen bus and we moved to New York City, the entire family. And at that point, there were six of us.
My mother was pregnant with

Speaker 1 my sister Allegra.

Speaker 1 She was born. She came later because she couldn't, it wasn't.
a great idea for her to travel 12 miles in a car.

Speaker 1 But there was like literally like, I remember at one point my father kind of stopped suddenly and there was a cast iron scale up behind my head and I just remember just like knowing that it was there like putting my hand back to hold it so that it wouldn't hit us all in the head.

Speaker 1 So then we moved to New York City and we didn't have a home yet.

Speaker 1 We were going to be the first families that moved to Roosevelt Island. Oh, wow.
And we came to New York to move to Roosevelt Island because they had subsidized housing.

Speaker 1 So we could afford to live in New York City. Right.
But they weren't ready yet. So we moved to the Holiday Inn in Yonkers.

Speaker 1 And we lived there. And then my mom came.
And so my sister was born in Yonkers.

Speaker 1 And then Roosevelt Island was finally ready, I think in the spring of 77, maybe. So then we moved to Roosevelt Island and we lived there.

Speaker 33 Was the train, was this, this is such a tram was there, yeah.

Speaker 1 The tram was there. So there was no, there was a park, there was no subway service yet.
It hadn't been built. It may have even just been like a dream.

Speaker 1 I don't think they had started digging that subway line yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we only knew about Roosevelt Island because there was an article in New York Magazine about it. And my mom read the article.

Speaker 1 And we applied through the Housing Urban Development Corporation and got one of the apartments. Wow.
So we lived there for a year. So we all moved, the entire family.
My father started

Speaker 1 a trucking business. He was a truck driver.

Speaker 1 And some of my other siblings were actors and auditioning.

Speaker 47 And

Speaker 1 thus began our time in the city.

Speaker 1 And I don't think I ever imagined at that point that anyone would ever say, yeah no you're a New Yorker I was like keeping track the entire time like at what point yeah do I get to

Speaker 1 say yeah yeah I'm a New Yorker I mean I have I love Cincinnati so much and it's an incredible city like it's a really special city and it's cultured and interesting and such smart people and it's beautiful but I love that yeah you ended up where you were like yeah what what year was I Annie's been so on the brain for me recently because they just did that beautiful rendition of tomorrow at the Tony Awards.

Speaker 117 Yeah.

Speaker 119 Sarah Boralis and Cynthia Arrivo in Memoriam.

Speaker 154 And I was just, I've now fallen into this wormhole of those songs.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. That's the greatest cast.

Speaker 138 Baby and Tomorrow and just really everything.

Speaker 100 Even not even just Annie's songs.

Speaker 105 I mean across the board.

Speaker 60 What age was that?

Speaker 1 So that was

Speaker 144 I

Speaker 1 joined the. The cast.
I was like, I guess one of the first replacements.

Speaker 1 So what happened is Kathy Joe Kelly

Speaker 1 was July.

Speaker 1 She left to do the first national tour and play Annie. So I was her replacement.
So I came in in January of 1978. Wow.

Speaker 83 Having had seen the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like I was like.

Speaker 91 You were obsessed.

Speaker 1 I don't even know if there's a word to describe the way I

Speaker 1 felt about seeing that show. We saw it, I think, before it opened on Broadway.

Speaker 1 And I've been working in an industrial with a bunch of the kids that were in that cast.

Speaker 1 And one of the original orphans was my understudy in the innocence on Broadway Broadway that I had done the year before.

Speaker 1 So all of us were very like,

Speaker 1 we were like devotees of Annie. And that cast album

Speaker 156 is,

Speaker 1 so I came in as an orphan as July. As well,

Speaker 1 I was cast as the understudy to Annie,

Speaker 1 which is mystifying because I didn't, I never really sang professionally.

Speaker 89 Really?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 87 What was that? Is it just like loving it at that age?

Speaker 86 And And so you're pretending?

Speaker 157 Or like, what do you think made

Speaker 137 little you able to do that?

Speaker 1 Because it's not easy so you can't do that. Don't really know.
Yeah. And I still left thinking, well, I'm not really a singer.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think,

Speaker 1 you know, we grew up listening to records.

Speaker 1 We didn't have a television. And

Speaker 1 we listened to cast albums all the time. And, you know, I think like a lot of people in my family, we don't know why.
We have a musical ear.

Speaker 84 Like we have good,

Speaker 1 you know, we have musicality or we have good pitch like and yeah yeah and i i'm a i'm an interpreter you know what i mean like i'm an interpreter

Speaker 85 um

Speaker 1 and i you know i had a really good audition song i will say oh was it and it was kind of controversial and no one else was doing it um those are always the best ones so we're gonna is the path like it's not

Speaker 1 sinnier yeah because it's gonna might hit i love it i love it

Speaker 33 i think we can i think we can dovetail into the question okay but i do want to know your audition

Speaker 155 i think it's about to crack over.

Speaker 150 I have to have to crack over.

Speaker 94 Which is, okay, this is the question.

Speaker 33 Sarah Duska Parker, what was the culture that made you say culture is for you?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 my answer to that question, and I was delighted to have one versus, you know, hemming and hawing and trying to come up with something. I have a very clear and specific and the easiest thing.

Speaker 1 It took like 20 seconds to get that around.

Speaker 149 That's great. Okay.

Speaker 1 So in 1976, when we came to New York or 1975, I can't remember. We came to New York to audition for The Innocents on Broadway and that's another kind of amazing crazy long story

Speaker 1 but as Bridget Everett who I call Ginger says short story long

Speaker 1 we came to New York and while we were in New York City

Speaker 1 one night we were spending time with my paternal grandparents in Brooklyn and my mother and father went to see a show that was in previews called a chorus line on Broadway at the Schubert Theater and they actually

Speaker 1 like summoned the dollars together in order to stay an extra day because they thought our children have to see this show. Like they have to see the show.

Speaker 1 So they stood back in line and we got standing room and we got two seats and we flipped. Wow.
Like some of us stood for a while and some of us sat. And so I saw in previews at the Schubert Theater.

Speaker 1 I can't say that I saw it down at the public theater. I saw a chorus line on Broadway before it opened.
And

Speaker 1 I I can say without hesitation that it completely changed my life. Wow.
And I think what's

Speaker 1 interesting about

Speaker 1 good theater or a good book,

Speaker 1 a musical or a straight play or a movie is that

Speaker 1 it is not necessarily.

Speaker 1 I don't have to have been a 24-year-old. Course line is famous for calling all of them boys and girls.

Speaker 1 But I was like nine or 10 years old, and I was from Ohio, and I

Speaker 1 felt like the plates of the earth had just shifted. And they shouldn't have

Speaker 1 really, except that

Speaker 1 they were so good, that cast. And that show was so clearly about

Speaker 162 love.

Speaker 1 That show was so clearly about a dream. And I think, you know, obviously what I did for love

Speaker 136 is

Speaker 1 so gorgeous because it just says everything and it is, it applies to people in a broad range of industries. It applies to, but there is something uniquely special about this desire to be on stage.

Speaker 1 And it's hard to articulate because it's not

Speaker 1 necessary.

Speaker 1 It's not

Speaker 1 even rational if you don't have yet the language, like, why, Sarah, Jessica, why do you want to be on stage? You're eight, you're nine, you're 10. And I wasn't like a show biz kid.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like I was tap dancing for my parents and like putting on shows. Yeah.
Put on shows. But that show, Priscilla Lopez singing nothing.

Speaker 144 And Music in the Mirror.

Speaker 163 I was going to say, I saw the Jimmy Awards last night. Oh.
And one of the girls did

Speaker 149 Music in the Mirror.

Speaker 102 And I, and she, of course, went to the finals because it's so winning.

Speaker 112 It is so sweeping.

Speaker 86 It is such a journey.

Speaker 112 And you're just, you're taken away.

Speaker 87 I remember, I've told you this a million times.

Speaker 95 Jane Krakowski did it on Ali

Speaker 85 years ago.

Speaker 83 She's a monster.

Speaker 117 She is so talented.

Speaker 102 It's just crazy.

Speaker 1 Freaking tasteful.

Speaker 88 I remember even back in the, I remember I was little watching over my aunt's shoulder.

Speaker 1 Have you ever watched? Have you ever pulled up on YouTube any clips in the original production? Oh, of course.

Speaker 88 There's some shaky bootlegs, right?

Speaker 1 And I want to thank God for all the bitching and when you're like, put your camera down. There's someone up in the balcony.
And you're like, why did all of us make such a fuss?

Speaker 134 You know what? We needed at least one.

Speaker 83 We can.

Speaker 133 That's how I remember that song

Speaker 86 is such a winning song because, and I think that probably what I can relate to and what you're saying, and I'm sure Bowen can as well, is it's like, you're right, what is the question that I'm trying to answer within myself that, because I feel a certain emotion doing this, I think what I experienced was, I want to express myself like that.

Speaker 90 Yeah. Do you think that that's maybe what it is?

Speaker 1 I don't know if I understood that I wanted to express myself. I guess I wanted to care.
What I understood in the simplest terms was this

Speaker 1 kind of unmatched

Speaker 1 necessity to care,

Speaker 1 to be completely devoted, to fillet yourself and without any

Speaker 1 with total understanding of the very possible disappointment and heartbreak, but that without the attempt, without the

Speaker 1 like the exercise, like the real endeavor, then you would be at a deficit. Like you would be worse off for not having been heartbroken

Speaker 1 than you would have been for

Speaker 165 a path more common to us.

Speaker 95 What I did for love.

Speaker 102 I mean, it's all about putting yourself out there 100% and saying, this is what I'm offering.

Speaker 109 What I did for love

Speaker 33 is this, and the show are about, not to get sort of college meta about

Speaker 33 it's about having a passion for a passion.

Speaker 166 It's about being passionate about passion.

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Speaker 33 were you watching a chorus line thinking in the context of how you had watched musicals before that moment or was that just like completely like

Speaker 1 a first impression of what the form could be would be because it felt pretty it was very groundbreaking at the time just it was groundbreaking because it was so modern and it was without a fourth wall and it was a person in the house talking to the cast and they were dressed like nobody had ever dressed, no one had ever been costumed like that on Broadway.

Speaker 1 No one was wearing

Speaker 84 rehearsal

Speaker 1 wear. And

Speaker 1 it was such a kind of candor about the language and the way they were talking. And it was like ribald and dirty sometimes.
And there were inferences that were meant to be funny and sexual.

Speaker 1 And there was

Speaker 1 homosexuality. And, you know, Paul, I think, is, you know, God, it would be amazing to play that part.
Oh, that's a beautiful, you know, that part, right?

Speaker 1 Like, that story of his parents coming and seeing him still dressed as a young woman. He's like in a, you know,

Speaker 1 what do you call it? The shows?

Speaker 1 Burlesque and Times Square. You know, every single story was, A, so well thought out.
The book was the cleanest, most perfect, unlike everything not necessary was gone. Unembellished, yeah.
And

Speaker 1 so I think it was just like

Speaker 1 perfect. Yeah.
And the singing and,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 what's Maggie's song?

Speaker 84 Oh, oh, oh, the greatest of all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, to me.

Speaker 1 Every day was beautiful at the ballet.

Speaker 149 At the ballet. At the ballet.

Speaker 84 At the ballet.

Speaker 1 That was happy, though.

Speaker 149 I mean, that, her singing.

Speaker 47 You did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. I mean.
And I loved what you did that.

Speaker 141 Oh, whatever, whatever.

Speaker 202 No, no, no. That was.

Speaker 136 We talk about her because her was, I mean.

Speaker 86 But, you know, that was actually my first experience actually when I was watching Glee and you doing it.

Speaker 149 Oh, really?

Speaker 47 Yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 134 I was like, you little chorus corrected that.

Speaker 83 Whatever.

Speaker 95 I mean, give yourself credit. It affected me.

Speaker 87 I was going to ask you this.

Speaker 152 Do you find, because I'm finding a link here between you pointing out in the book for the chorus line that there's candor and that there's honesty and that there's and then famously you know you become synonymous with candor on television for the first time is that something you're attracted to is that something that you feel like

Speaker 1 you're seeking can i mean not i don't think so i don't think it's like a criteria i think

Speaker 1 I think I liked that as a child because all the musical, all the musicals that I

Speaker 1 heard before that were really traditional, like big musicals like Hammers, you know, like Rogers and Hammerstein and Learning Low and like Oklahoma and Showboat. And

Speaker 1 so I think what struck me so much and the rest of the world was that a chorus line was so

Speaker 1 intimate and people were talking about their lives on stage that were very different than Shogun, even like

Speaker 1 and which I loved.

Speaker 1 So when I received the script, the pilot script for Saxon City, I wasn't looking to play like,

Speaker 1 you know, a sort of

Speaker 149 New Yorker, yes,

Speaker 1 who, who was curious about sexual politics and wanted to have intimate conversation. Like, I didn't even realize that was a

Speaker 1 thing that could be told or said, but I certainly was, like, found it really compelling. I was, I thought, I've never read, even in pilot form, because it's just so minimal, really.

Speaker 1 When you look back, you're like, it was just this.

Speaker 1 But it was really in plenty to

Speaker 1 convince me very easily without like any persuasion that it was like, this is different. This is, I haven't heard anyone, I haven't heard people have these kinds of conversations.

Speaker 1 And there were plenty of women on television before Mary Richards, of course, you know,

Speaker 1 and others and Marla Thomas and many others who, forgive me, I'm not remembering. It's not like women hadn't, we weren't like the first women, but.

Speaker 1 Because I think of the, because of our studio, it was HBO, like the rules were very, or didn't apply at all. Yeah.

Speaker 89 I used to, I used to wait till my parents would leave the house and then I would go to my, we had HBO on demand, and I would just mainline.

Speaker 88 Wait, where are you from?

Speaker 134 Where are you from?

Speaker 83 Long Island.

Speaker 253 Oh, you, oh, you're from Long Island.

Speaker 83 Yeah, from something else.

Speaker 254 So this dream wasn't even that far away, but it could have felt far away, I guess.

Speaker 107 One of my answers to our own question is: we went to go see hairspray.

Speaker 83 And I just remember the three-part harmony on

Speaker 100 the trio, and they hit this insane three-part harmony belt When

Speaker 1 the ladies were singing,

Speaker 1 Welcome to the Xerox.

Speaker 83 Welcome to the Six Excellence.

Speaker 86 And I believe it was

Speaker 119 the mama song.

Speaker 92 Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 115 I just remember hearing those harmonies belted and how joyful it was, and the response from the audience, and I burst into tears, and my mom was like, What is wrong?

Speaker 115 And I was like, Nothing, I don't know.

Speaker 83 Exactly.

Speaker 91 But it was, it's, it's nothing, I don't know.

Speaker 1 That would be a really good name for your memoir.

Speaker 47 You know what I'm gonna call it?

Speaker 133 Not for nothing.

Speaker 83 Because I always hear that.

Speaker 95 Are you being serious?

Speaker 102 No, I'm serious.

Speaker 134 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 So then your second book is called. So the first one's called Not for Nothing, and the second one's called Nothing I Don't Know.

Speaker 1 Because also Nothing I Don't Know could be

Speaker 1 Nothing I Don't Know. Right.

Speaker 164 You know,

Speaker 95 it was very Nothing I Don't Know because it was.

Speaker 1 Because you couldn't, or you didn't.

Speaker 86 There wasn't anything.

Speaker 134 That's why I asked you,

Speaker 156 was it about expression?

Speaker 91 Because the tables are turning.

Speaker 100 I asked you, was it about expression?

Speaker 102 Because certainly for me it was.

Speaker 86 I think I was like, I remember I saw those women and everyone up there dancing and singing and giving it everything.

Speaker 119 And I think they knew they were a part of something special.

Speaker 100 And I,

Speaker 100 all I wanted to do was, I think honestly, when I talk about that belted harmony, it's because of the volume.

Speaker 88 I wanted to express myself loudly.

Speaker 86 And I think there's something about looking at people on a stage and expressing, especially in the show that you point out.

Speaker 84 Wow, it makes me emotional.

Speaker 92 Like, like

Speaker 90 the freedom to express.

Speaker 86 And that is, that that is what you get on stage.

Speaker 113 And at the Jimmy Awards last night, it's just so emotional.

Speaker 1 Can you tell me about the Jimmy Awards?

Speaker 116 No, it's the High School Musical Theater Awards.

Speaker 1 Oh, is it a J-Y-G-Y-N-Named after James Niederlander?

Speaker 33 Oh, the Jimmy Awards.

Speaker 85 It's at the Niederlander.

Speaker 134 Yeah. Oh, wow.

Speaker 91 No, it's at the Minskoff.

Speaker 256 The Minsk.

Speaker 93 But I saw you at the Niederlander in Plaza Suite.

Speaker 125 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 136 And I went to the...

Speaker 1 Wait, was it the Neder? No, we were at the Hudson.

Speaker 83 Oh, with the Hudson. That's okay.
That's okay. That's okay.

Speaker 100 But

Speaker 102 that was the last time I guess I.

Speaker 86 Well, I guess we ran into you at SNL 50, but but the last time I had physically seen you

Speaker 1 did I see it smash

Speaker 1 where did I accost you guys? Was it at SNL 500?

Speaker 162 That was at SNL 50.

Speaker 81 It was a moment for our lives.

Speaker 160 The highlight of our game.

Speaker 83 And all I could say to Matthew was, I just watched election.

Speaker 1 That's a perfectly fine thing to say to him. That's really nice.

Speaker 134 That's nice.

Speaker 88 I said it twice in a night.

Speaker 85 So I'm not sure.

Speaker 89 But the second time, by the way, what a great movie.

Speaker 1 I want to ask you a question in a second, but I do want to talk about SNL 50

Speaker 1 because actually, I

Speaker 1 was moving past Lauren more recently and I tried to tell him we were at a party and I another party a different party and I tried to say

Speaker 1 you know

Speaker 1 that was like a perfect night that was that was like a perfect night and I've been trying to fight figure out a way of writing him a note to say thank you for including us in that night and it started the weekend with the the show and the concert

Speaker 1 and it was so much fun And I'm like, we don't even go out anywhere.

Speaker 149 And they're like, no, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 But I try to tell Lauren how perfect it was. And I can't imagine.

Speaker 138 The feat of production, my God.

Speaker 1 And what went into deciding which ones you were going to do and

Speaker 1 how hard it would be to be clear-eyed enough to focus.

Speaker 1 everybody kind of already who who rise all the time anyway at 11 o'clock like 11 30 like already that that's so something you guys are all accustomed to so you were like taking like the most well-oiled machine and somehow making it like

Speaker 81 like a like a speed train in kyota or you know what i mean like a bullet train

Speaker 1 so did you guys know that this was like oh this is solid like were you like it was all for sure for sure

Speaker 146 in

Speaker 33 in Lauren's mind up until like the two weeks before. So So Lauren, I think, was doing his kind of amazing, beautiful mind-esque, like the numbers are sort of like floating around his head.

Speaker 33 But like for the better part of the, of the fall, I think for all of the first half of the season of 50, it was like, okay, like, what's the show going to be?

Speaker 126 Like, who should we be out to?

Speaker 8 Like, can we, can we need to do like a veil checks?

Speaker 85 Yeah.

Speaker 1 As if somebody would not cross

Speaker 85 anywhere to get there and people have posted it that you think would be amazing.

Speaker 100 But there it is.

Speaker 108 It's also very nerve-wracking.

Speaker 1 But it's also like a night for legends. Like it's a night where you want to repeat, you want to dip back in.
Like it's such a deep well. Of course.
So I thought, however, you came to these decisions,

Speaker 1 whatever the collective is.

Speaker 155 Yes.

Speaker 1 First of all, the opening with Paul Simon and Sabrina Carpenter, which is like

Speaker 83 perfect.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so sentimental. Like already.

Speaker 1 They already hit hit like a triple.

Speaker 254 Totally.

Speaker 149 Oh, yeah. You know, like,

Speaker 1 she was perfect and she like held back just the right, like it was so elegant.

Speaker 1 And he was so touching. And it's so sentimental.
And it's so nostalgic. And, you know, my brothers grew up watching that show, the very first episode, like your show.

Speaker 1 That show. But anyway.
So already you could tell. Like it was, you know, when you get off to a start like that, you're like.

Speaker 89 Sure, you're so right.

Speaker 217 It's like, I think probably that, that was the thought that went into it from Lauren Zen.

Speaker 33 It was just like, let's just make sure this is cozy and comfortable for everyone in the room, everyone at home. We're in good hands all the way through.

Speaker 33 And then you come out with, with, you know, Steve Martin coming out,

Speaker 141 Mulaney, Martin Short.

Speaker 33 It's like all these heavy hitters. And then it's just, it was, to me,

Speaker 33 this like. four-dimensional photomosaic of like

Speaker 33 everyone who's who's had the same shared experience of being on that show and it meant everything that like my closest friends were there matt was there sudie was there our best friend sudie celeste our co-writer who we're working with now um i mean it was just this like complete tapestry of like the human experience and how all of it has this optimistic sort of like encasing around it which is like it's gonna be okay like for all of like the like slings and errors that people suffer in the system and outside of it it's like everyone's here and they're they're telling you about the kids that are, that they have, the families that they've grown,

Speaker 33 like the lives that they've had since they've been at the show. You know, it was really hard in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the odds, whatever.

Speaker 33 Like every era of the show is not totally unique because it's like, oh, it's all been set against the backdrop of whatever political chaos was happening at the time.

Speaker 33 And it's our job to bring some levity in whatever way we can in whatever media environment that is like

Speaker 33 out there.

Speaker 3 I mean, like, I was like, no one's going to watch this.

Speaker 33 Like, it's like, no, everyone's attentions are pulled in a million different directions.

Speaker 1 But every

Speaker 1 so often there's a cultural event that

Speaker 1 is able to sit everybody down. Yeah.
Yep. And you want it to be in real time.
Like all of the

Speaker 1 new

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 the ways in which I like have like an allergy to watching television. Like that too was the thing.
It's like, no, it's going, you don't want to watch it tomorrow

Speaker 86 zeitgeist moment that is that is literally

Speaker 95 not a sports event not a sports event no yeah right but i remember like this is odd but like i remember the when we were little i remember watching who wants to be millionaire when the first person won a million dollars and it was like the world exploded like i remember when richard hatch won survivor me talking about only reality kelly clarkson winning

Speaker 152 my girl but like you know all these things are that's what snl 50 was recreating and i think such a big it makes you proud to be a New Yorker, too, because obviously it's synonymous.

Speaker 105 And I think that must have, that must also give you a sense of.

Speaker 83 Synonymous.

Speaker 1 There are great musicals that are about New York and important choreography. But I think because

Speaker 1 this contemporary thing keeps giving us this experience every weekend and it is only could be home in New York.

Speaker 1 And, you know, a show can go on the road and touch touch people all over the country and the globe frankly but new york continues to be like this export like we don't get to send art as far in the ways we used to like it was such a crisscrossing of the ocean it was such an effort and now we were tossing stuff but this is a new york show yeah it employs thousands and thousands and thousands of thousands of New Yorkers.

Speaker 1 I'm sure generations have gone through that studio of people on the crew side.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 there's endless stories of the way in which it is a New York show. Yes.

Speaker 91 The guys of the deli.

Speaker 93 Are you like a decided nightlife dot in the wool?

Speaker 1 I, you know, there's a period when I started having children that I didn't, that I like tapped out of baseball and I tapped out of anything that was late.

Speaker 1 Because like, I just didn't, especially if I was shooting and being a parent, it just. all of a sudden it didn't factor.
Like I couldn't carve the time out. Yep.

Speaker 1 But it's really interesting when you have children after a while what their interests are and what they're talking about can bring you back home right you know

Speaker 1 my son is a massive baseball fan and so it it came back into our life because he became much more

Speaker 1 you know he was dictating conversation at the table and then of course they're all watching snl and they're talking about it and then telling us and re you know and pulling stuff up on their phones of scenes and instances and whatever

Speaker 1 the way in which it kind of disappeared, not entirely, but I wasn't able to stay up. Of course.
You know,

Speaker 1 that, that's not so much the case anymore.

Speaker 114 Yeah.

Speaker 33 But for you to give the imprimatur of New Yorkness onto that show is meaningful just coming from another New York show.

Speaker 33 I'm just so happy to hear that you guys had a great time because it, because it, because you're right.

Speaker 155 Fantastic.

Speaker 33 The people in the room were you, Matthew, Lady Gaga,

Speaker 98 Sher, for God's sake.

Speaker 141 You know what I mean?

Speaker 33 It was like, and like, you know,

Speaker 26 we couldn't believe, we were like, look, we were like, oh my God, like everyone was rubbernecking.

Speaker 260 It was so crazy.

Speaker 1 And then, like, even the entrance and,

Speaker 1 you know, getting your ticket. And,

Speaker 1 you know, Matthew was convinced we weren't going to watch it in the room because they ushered us to this really lovely like cocktail area.

Speaker 150 The lounge, yeah.

Speaker 1 The lounge. And then I felt Matthew's spirit.
Oh, it slightly. He's like, I think we're in the lounge to watch it.
And I was like, that's okay. We're all, it's all, we're on this floor.
Right.

Speaker 1 We're on the eighth floor, right? The eighth floor.

Speaker 1 And um, they moved you in. And then the woman was like, no, you're, you come right up.

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Speaker 73 Her professional life crashes into her personal one and uh-oh.

Speaker 187 So this series has it all.

Speaker 251 Scandalous secrets, high-stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some OMG twists, and friendships that rise above it all.

Speaker 74 And of course, everything is going to look amazing.

Speaker 232 It's got some unapologetic glam, a work hard, play-harder lifestyle.

Speaker 58 Everybody makes compromises in their lives.

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Speaker 244 By the way, you know where I just saw Matthew at the Mets game?

Speaker 81 He was there at the Mets.

Speaker 117 Is he there all the time? Yes, there's a lot of people.

Speaker 86 Do you write hard for the Mets or are you Yankees and is it a torn torn up household?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's such a complicated thing because we, like, our whole courtship was like the late 90s Yankees because

Speaker 1 everybody was. Everybody was.

Speaker 121 Tough has to be a Mets fan then because the Yankees, you guys would not shut up.

Speaker 1 But we weren't that kind of Yankees fan because that's always been objectionable to me.

Speaker 84 But we did,

Speaker 1 we were in a couple of ticker tape parades though when they won.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we didn't have kids then. So like, you know, we could, our dream was we were going to travel.

Speaker 1 We didn't get to go on a honeymoon because we were both working, but our travel dream was we were either gonna go to Vietnam or

Speaker 1 we were gonna go to all the baseball stadium across the country before they were torn down, like so many of them and torn down.

Speaker 90 You know, God, I know I miss Shea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, even Shea.

Speaker 161 I still call the game.

Speaker 52 Right?

Speaker 95 My dad used to ride his bike from Long Island and hop defense, and he would just watch games at Shea, like drive, like riding in from Linden.

Speaker 1 Matthew did, I mean, Matthew was sort of taught that you

Speaker 162 hoped.

Speaker 1 Like, he was raised as a Met fan. fan his father took him to mets games

Speaker 1 um so it was always hard and then when they would have subway series it was it was really hard it's just that this this late 90s yankee team was just heavenly and um we you know we loved them but i but we love the mets too and there's been many times when it's been really hard sure

Speaker 83 oh because

Speaker 1 the thing with the mets is they're either really good or really bad i know but man being watching watching the mets fan like our house, like, I'm like, we believe.

Speaker 122 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 You got to believe. What is the temperature going to be? Like when Matthew, I walked in the room the other day and I was like, what, what? What?

Speaker 1 Like, I was scared of like some horrible news that had just arrived over the wire. And he's like, they just blew a, you know,

Speaker 1 they just blew a seven run.

Speaker 125 That's part of being a Mets fan.

Speaker 83 I know.

Speaker 83 It's just really.

Speaker 92 It's just the tragedy and the glory.

Speaker 1 No, I know, I know. But you got to be true blue.
I go, gentlemen, come on, boys.

Speaker 83 Oh, no, you have to be true blue.

Speaker 33 You're saying it divides the house along what line?

Speaker 1 Well, meaning it doesn't really divide the house, except that there are times when there were times when both were playing that we

Speaker 1 I was like, I felt kind of

Speaker 1 bad about, I didn't know where to put my,

Speaker 1 I didn't know where to align because I love both teams. It's very hard to have to choose to have two great hometown teams.

Speaker 1 Now, Matthew wouldn't be quite as equivocating.

Speaker 164 Right.

Speaker 100 So is it because you think of like the Yankees, you think of the New New York grander, and then there's also the Mets with that underdog like union spirit almost.

Speaker 134 I think that's what connected my dad.

Speaker 1 Attitude is like the Mets. Well, in the old days, the Yankees had all the money to, you know, hire players, and the Mets were a scrappy, like political, that was the feeling.

Speaker 1 That was kind of like the color of the tone of the sentiment around. And, you know, Yankee fans were wealthy.
This was the,

Speaker 1 not necessarily true. This was kind of, you know, I painted my nails white for you guys.
Just make you know know that.

Speaker 1 I've never had white nails in my whole life, and they're going to come off the second I got them.

Speaker 149 I love the white nails, and I wasn't sure.

Speaker 1 And I already talked into it. Like butter.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I just saw them flash, and I was like, I better explain why these nails are white. But I feel like that was always the feeling.
I don't know if that's true or if that's based in

Speaker 160 reality.

Speaker 1 And I know a lot of it is regional. I know that Queens tends to obviously are Mets fans and Upper New York are, you know, Yankees fans.

Speaker 1 Like all the geography makes sense, but I don't know how you pick a team well i think it's like it really is like your spirit can be very broken when you are the team when you are the underdog team again and again and again and i but i also think it's more fun like

Speaker 95 i think it's always wins what they mean you know it's it's fun to win all the time but not but but you can it can do something to you

Speaker 87 when you come to expect glory and victory in this way and almost give an entitlement and i think that's what i resented about yankee fans that were around me is that they felt they were entitled, they felt they were better than me, yes, yes, you know what I mean?

Speaker 113 100% that's what it was.

Speaker 265 And I remember

Speaker 107 maybe this happened in your family at some point, but one day I think I was just like wanting to test the waters, and I walked into my dad and I was like, I'm a Yankees fan,

Speaker 153 and I bought all this Jeter merch.

Speaker 1 I think I thought maybe you really were a Yankees fan, if you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 119 You know, who I was a big fan of was Mariah Carey, and they were dating.

Speaker 141 It was a Jeters.

Speaker 1 Did you like Tino Martinez too?

Speaker 95 Oh my God, I love Tino Martinez.

Speaker 87 First base.

Speaker 234 So he would wear, he he would wear a batter's helmet while he played in the field.

Speaker 107 Oh, funny.

Speaker 53 And he was one of the only ones.

Speaker 100 So this is like deep in my life.

Speaker 108 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And remember, what did your father, what was his,

Speaker 1 was he just like,

Speaker 86 my dad, it, you know what's funny is he reacts now to the TV when Trump is on the way he used to react when things would go down with the team.

Speaker 264 And I thought over the years he had calmed down, but then left.

Speaker 52 But now it's now it's politics.

Speaker 203 But last year when the Mets were really in it again, he was yelling at the TV again.

Speaker 83 And I was like, you know what?

Speaker 149 It kind of was nice.

Speaker 160 It kind of took me back to it.

Speaker 114 It was sweet. You know?

Speaker 236 Oh, it's great.

Speaker 86 But I remember like, yeah, that was before theater for me.

Speaker 93 Yeah.

Speaker 88 It was like sports.

Speaker 1 Oh, sports is theater. I mean, my God, the drama.
Absolutely. In our house, and we can move on, honestly.
In our house, you'll hear like through the house. I don't know if you guys do this.

Speaker 1 There's a thing about clapping when you get runs.

Speaker 162 It's not like golf clapping. It's like.

Speaker 140 The spirited clap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like this kind of clap that I'm like, ah, like, oh,

Speaker 83 that's better for all of us. Whatever happens is good.

Speaker 52 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We did skip over. So

Speaker 1 you talked about hairspray, but what was your question?

Speaker 83 Mom, did you ask about the question?

Speaker 149 I was just curious because you got to talk about

Speaker 83 your hairspray experience.

Speaker 1 But I don't know, and maybe I should. Sorry, but I mean, no, no, no.

Speaker 33 Why should you know? I mean, what was, as it relates to theater?

Speaker 1 No, that cultural.

Speaker 228 Oh, it's it's a lot of different answers every day.

Speaker 47 That's okay.

Speaker 258 I will say today,

Speaker 126 probably probably apropos of you being here,

Speaker 137 you are

Speaker 33 at the top of the show, I was kind of unlocking all these Once Upon a Mattress memories for myself.

Speaker 33 And it was going to the library and picking up your recording of Once Upon a Mattress, as well as, because this was 2003,

Speaker 141 as well as the wicked soundtrack, the wicked recording.

Speaker 33 And both of those figure very heavily into my life.

Speaker 84 Yeah.

Speaker 33 But just, it was hearing you sing shy. It was hearing you sing, you know, like Spanish Panic or doing like the

Speaker 1 remember all those songs.

Speaker 48 But I mean, it's a musical that I love.

Speaker 1 It's so funny. Not everybody loves that musical.

Speaker 33 It's jazzy and fun and funny and cheeky.

Speaker 149 It's like

Speaker 91 funny.

Speaker 100 I took my aunt to go see this.

Speaker 163 It's like a skit almost.

Speaker 1 It's like a sketch.

Speaker 47 It's a hard one.

Speaker 148 It feels like.

Speaker 128 And the new one that Amy Sherman Palladino did the new book for.

Speaker 261 Talking about.

Speaker 1 Oh, with a sutton. Yeah, with a funny thing.

Speaker 108 Yeah, I didn't get to see that.

Speaker 95 It was really much funnier than I thought it was going to be. And because, you know, it had been modernized and it had been punched up for a modern audience.

Speaker 115 But I left with a big smile.

Speaker 100 It really, it really was great.

Speaker 112 And it actually made me excited about reviving stuff like that.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 86 Because there's a little part of me that really is excited about where theater is going.

Speaker 107 I'm sure you've seen everything, but Sunset Boulevard.

Speaker 227 Yeah.

Speaker 115 And I mean, you know, whatever is happening with Evita right now with Rachel Zegler on the West End.

Speaker 91 I love the choice to.

Speaker 1 So Jamie Lloyd, that's what you like. Jamie Lloyd.

Speaker 84 Well, you know where we're going?

Speaker 130 We're going to Gypsy.

Speaker 89 Tomorrow we're going to see a gypsy.

Speaker 81 It's my second time.

Speaker 87 Oh, you must go to Zarjeska.

Speaker 162 I'm going to try. I'm going to try.

Speaker 86 Audre is,

Speaker 112 she's just giving everything.

Speaker 121 And I don't think

Speaker 121 that's true.

Speaker 108 And

Speaker 259 I don't think I had really understood and appreciated the choice to take Rose's turn up,

Speaker 117 which took it out of her comfort zone purposefully to show the anguish.

Speaker 86 Because I really feel like this gypsy is exploring Rose as mentally ill.

Speaker 259 And I think that's such an interesting and fascinating way to go to go about it.

Speaker 87 And so I guess that's what I mean about like this stuff coming back.

Speaker 152 And you're kind of like, you know, you hear about some things going on stage or some person being a part of some revival and you're like, why?

Speaker 148 And then you see it.

Speaker 53 You give the opportunity and you see why.

Speaker 94 Right.

Speaker 86 And once upon a mattress is just a, it's a fun

Speaker 90 and it's a blast.

Speaker 87 The jokes were hard.

Speaker 33 yeah yeah yeah which is i find rare yeah um but you know it was it was great i mean it just opened my eyes to because because growing up colorado in the suburbs

Speaker 1 so funny that you grew up in colorado

Speaker 1 it's like i don't why is that weird why is that like why not but why not i just i think because i feel like you are such a urban

Speaker 1 person thank you yeah and urbane and

Speaker 1 um no because i think you know i didn't i didn't get to see you as you arrived. Of course.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately,

Speaker 107 I was a baby.

Speaker 1 I bet you were, but, you know, you take on a little bit of something else. I just, it's so funny because I, that's just silly and small of me.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Suggesting that that won't exist in other parts of the, I just think of you very cidified.

Speaker 98 But between the three of us, it's like our essences have kind of like merged with the city.

Speaker 160 It's like,

Speaker 1 which probably happens wherever you go and stay.

Speaker 83 Yeah. I mean, absolutely.

Speaker 33 But I've hit a milestone recently that I'm still not totally sure how I feel about, which is 34 years old officially hitting 17 years in the city.

Speaker 176 So it's half my life.

Speaker 254 Oh, wow.

Speaker 92 So I'm like, oh. Yeah.

Speaker 258 This is, and you know what?

Speaker 33 This is like a conversation that like Josh Sharp and I, our friend Josh and Cola Skola and I have had like a few years ago where we're just like, gosh, are we just, because our friends, there's this big exodus to LA.

Speaker 1 I was going to ask you guys next, like, how is it that we've kept you in New York like is that um

Speaker 33 it's been work for me but then but then but but then like our friends are just like are we just like the lifers here are we just like the welcoming committee for any like new people who come and like we're we're there with like the the greeting package or something and now Matt's fully a New Yorker again which I'm very very happy about can I ask you what neighborhood you live in yeah I've been in Olita oh you are oh interesting

Speaker 1 you don't hear that as much lately you know what that's nice to hear so you're um on the receiving end of the Elizabeth Gardens being saved I am.

Speaker 224 I just found out about it today.

Speaker 95 I have to tell you, I did get a little emotional because I thought, like, it's little Carrie Bradshaw.

Speaker 112 I like to live because I'm single and I'm feeling good about that again.

Speaker 173 Yeah.

Speaker 123 And I'm.

Speaker 83 Good.

Speaker 257 Yeah. And I feel like I'm.

Speaker 135 Do you have

Speaker 1 a pretty apartment? Is it pretty?

Speaker 90 You know what?

Speaker 133 It's like Carrie's wise.

Speaker 85 Is it really?

Speaker 149 I love those apartments.

Speaker 87 It's charming and it's comfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 123 And I am.

Speaker 1 Are you walking up? Yeah.

Speaker 22 You're walking up. No, I'm not walking up because it's a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Do do you have an elevator there is one elevator that's amazing on those streets yeah yeah so you because those are smaller buildings it is

Speaker 83 it is my dream come true okay so i'm still exploring okay so you might need to write some things down afterwards that would make my life i'll frame it is

Speaker 1 if i'm correct because i know it is on the

Speaker 1 the one that goes east west i know it's on that street the cross street i'm i feel less confident about but if i'm right

Speaker 1 that is a sandwich shop oh that is but not it's not it just says blah deli. Like, it's not, it's a nothing.
Yeah. Well, that's not true.

Speaker 1 Everything is, but it's not like, I don't think people are lining up with their cameras and shooting it. I think it's just the real deal.

Speaker 86 It's a breeze. You know what I mean?

Speaker 90 Like, it feels exciting.

Speaker 86 And I think, honestly, I got chased out of New York for a lot of like, you know, reasons for in here.

Speaker 102 And then all of a sudden, I felt like I was called home.

Speaker 93 And I will say, it is harder day to day.

Speaker 52 Yeah.

Speaker 157 But it is so worth it.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Like, I find that New York, it does toss those challenges your way.

Speaker 108 They're just like, well, I asked for this.

Speaker 88 Yeah.

Speaker 130 It's hot as hell.

Speaker 1 I know. You can't.
There's no swimming pool.

Speaker 130 There's no, yeah.

Speaker 86 There is no easy way to get places. But I will say you're compelled.

Speaker 111 Yeah.

Speaker 87 And like, that's all I ever really,

Speaker 117 it's like when I was little watching that show, I was compelled.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 162 New York compels.

Speaker 125 Yeah.

Speaker 165 And I, during the pandemic.

Speaker 1 of, oh, sorry, keep going.

Speaker 91 Just like being forced to be away.

Speaker 108 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I remember I came back and like, I walked the streets even though it was raining and I literally was having like an as if we said goodbye moment and i was just like god and i was emotional because memories everywhere and you're only really ever gonna have one home like that yeah no it's it's pretty it's pretty special i i wish it were more hospitable to those who feel yeah that kind of dream because it's just right now it's just it's very

Speaker 1 it's just prohibitive financially and um i would love for others to be able to um try to make it their home and have it be a real possibility.

Speaker 144 And

Speaker 1 maybe we will. Maybe we will find more affordable housing for our

Speaker 1 communities.

Speaker 83 And

Speaker 1 maybe that is

Speaker 1 not insane.

Speaker 1 Because I think, so I guess I feel like I want to go back for a second and just say

Speaker 1 it's amazing that people are moving back to New York. So somebody else I know just is moving

Speaker 1 back to New York. I feel like it's such a

Speaker 150 prodigal return.

Speaker 1 It's an unusual thing to be hearing.

Speaker 1 So I feel as if we're not losing people in the same way we, I think, well, I felt we were, that there is a kind of buoyancy maybe again, if not, if we're not 100%, at least we don't seem like this forbidding place.

Speaker 1 Sure. So some somewhere people are still thinking,

Speaker 1 you can maybe make it

Speaker 83 happen there.

Speaker 33 And I'm sure, just to go back to what we we were talking about at the beginning of this episode, I'm sure what a lot of the projection that people throw at, people must, when they see you, when they get excited, they must dump a lot of that ambition and that, like, just that, the way that they wish the city was hospitalized.

Speaker 84 You are a landmark.

Speaker 1 I'm happy to be on

Speaker 1 the repository for the dumping. That's all right.

Speaker 130 That's all right. That's a huge role.

Speaker 149 But speaking of New York, how, and you brought Bridget Everett earlier,

Speaker 33 how did you get to know those people like Bridget, like Amy Sederis, like Andy?

Speaker 113 Mole, like Andy, like that is such a fun downtown crowd.

Speaker 33 And like, I've always been

Speaker 33 curious about how you got in with them.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm trying to remember the order. Amy and I met,

Speaker 1 Matthew and I worshipped Amy Sederis. We saw her, you know, on Letterman, basically, which is she was like a regular, you know?

Speaker 149 Anytime someone would cancel, she was like,

Speaker 1 she was the greatest. So this was in the late 90s.

Speaker 1 And then, so we really like together, it was like the things we loved were the Yankees, Ab Fab,

Speaker 1 and Amy Sederis. And of course, David, but he wasn't making as many appearances on commercial television as Amy was, but she was still niche-y.

Speaker 1 Like, it wasn't like you could walk the streets and talk about Amy Sederis. It was a, it was much more valued, like thing.

Speaker 161 You could find your people in better place.

Speaker 81 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 134 Kind of like Cole.

Speaker 135 So then, yes.

Speaker 1 So then Amy and I came to know each other because I was going to do a play off Broadway at MTC main stage.

Speaker 1 I was going to do a play

Speaker 1 that David Lindsay Bear play.

Speaker 1 And it was his follow-up to Fuddy Mirrors, which is one of my most favorite shows ever, plays ever. And we were supposed to start rehearsals on September 11th, 2001.

Speaker 1 And we had made contact, you know, I basically did it because. Amy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I love David Lindsay Bear.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so we, that morning, I was up early to be on time for rehearsal and get to the subway. And I was downstairs.
Matthew and I lived low, low Manhattan. So we live south of Houston.
And

Speaker 1 I was watching the Today Show, getting ready for my first day of school. And I

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 screaming at him. And then I said, I...

Speaker 1 I have to go. I'm going to be late for rehearsal.
And

Speaker 1 he said,

Speaker 1 I don't think there is gonna be rehearsal today. So I called Amy, who I didn't really yet know, and I said, I'm worried about being late.

Speaker 1 And she said, Yeah, I don't think there's gonna be rehearsal today. Yeah, um, so anyway, we became friends, and we took the subway home together every day, and we shared a dressing room.

Speaker 1 And she very graciously just allowed us to infiltrate, and she became a big part of our lives. And I always said, and I'll repeat it, you know, that I always thought, like,

Speaker 1 she, um, she always says that she's a wedge in our marriage.

Speaker 1 But I was like, but they really have great chemistry and he really loves her so much. Like he admires her so much.
And then Scotty Whitman used to do a bunch of plays.

Speaker 1 He directed at La Mama and Cole was always in them. Yes.
And Bridget was, or Ginger, as I call her.

Speaker 1 And so then, and then Ginger would come out east all the time and stay. And then she ended up just staying at our house for,

Speaker 1 I think she lived at our house for,

Speaker 1 and you know, the world is, the social circles are

Speaker 1 and you just keep bumping into people. If you're lucky, and if you are behaving basically as a decent person, you can stick around.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 157 Did you ever like it?

Speaker 1 It's pretty amazing, Cole.

Speaker 83 I mean, like,

Speaker 1 is there a better story in the world?

Speaker 83 Can you think of one?

Speaker 108 I'm sure not.

Speaker 10 I mean, like, it's one of those things, too, where

Speaker 86 I got to say, it's always been like that.

Speaker 153 We've always said that they were our hero.

Speaker 32 Yeah.

Speaker 62 Like, I remember that goes all the way back.

Speaker 100 I mean, that's what people don't really know.

Speaker 119 And I think they're knowing it now because there's a lot of press about Cole.

Speaker 164 But, you know, truly always thinking like no one else.

Speaker 133 Yes.

Speaker 129 And that was what was so inspiring.

Speaker 99 And, you know, it's funny, like,

Speaker 115 we had to answer some interview questions earlier.

Speaker 244 And it was like, who is your mentor?

Speaker 157 And I was like, I just got to say, I don't really have mentors, but I do have these like influences.

Speaker 71 And he was one of them.

Speaker 116 And I just wonder for you, like.

Speaker 95 When you come to New York, were you seeing a lot of experimental stuff?

Speaker 112 Like, were you seeing all of it?

Speaker 86 Like, did you know Liz Suedos?

Speaker 1 My brother was in the, my brother was in Runaways, the first original company. She was my mentor.

Speaker 47 No way.

Speaker 90 At NYU, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. Because, so she taught there.
Okay. So when I was doing Annie on Broadway, my brother was in Runaways down about four blocks down south, not even four blocks with Diane Lano.

Speaker 1 He was in the original company. He was a public and on Broadway.

Speaker 149 Wow.

Speaker 1 I auditioned for Runaways too. Did not get it.

Speaker 1 Nor should I have gotten it.

Speaker 1 But so we met at 49th Street because we had to take the n and the r to the tram every night um so i loved live suedos oh wow

Speaker 1 i love that show make sure your listeners pull up that cast album that cast album is incredible you know i there was an episode do you know it i don't know right away he almost worked with i almost worked with

Speaker 121 like many many times i was very close

Speaker 92 oh yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 265 no it's fine i honestly like i love honoring her on this podcast and she actually came up earlier today and we had Did she really?

Speaker 101 Well, just because we were answering those questions and they asked me that mentor question and I was like, you know, trying to find it.

Speaker 115 And I was a little frustrated with myself. And then I realized that's who it was.
It was Liz because she just explored all these sides of me and like the way she let me see myself.

Speaker 157 And I think that's what like great.

Speaker 1 I think she was uniquely good at that, though.

Speaker 137 She had a real energy.

Speaker 95 And she, I remember she just, when I first auditioned for her.

Speaker 1 Were you at Tish?

Speaker 115 I was, but I wasn't an acting student.

Speaker 119 I was, I don't want to make this about me at any time.

Speaker 150 I don't care.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, go, go, go.

Speaker 116 I was just a very, very closeted,

Speaker 115 but like I said, very passionate

Speaker 115 kid that wanted to do this.

Speaker 108 And I think that she,

Speaker 115 more than anyone else in my life, like allowed me to see myself as limitless.

Speaker 259 And I do think that that's such a gift to give someone who's a young performer is to. like the knowledge that you can be anything.

Speaker 100 And she really took away my fear and emboldened creativity in me and like made me aware of my stage presence.

Speaker 112 And I, it was a way, it was like she would look you in the eyes and gave you a gift, even in just doing that.

Speaker 78 Yeah.

Speaker 159 And gave you fearlessness.

Speaker 125 Yeah.

Speaker 245 And

Speaker 152 that is like, that's why I ask is because we're talking about these people that energetically really have her spirit.

Speaker 254 Yeah.

Speaker 87 And so I felt compelled to ask you a few more.

Speaker 1 It's funny because I probably wouldn't otherwise.

Speaker 1 She was really talented. She was really, really talented and very,

Speaker 1 you know, if anyone can find their way to runaways and just really watch that show, it's a pretty freaking extraordinary show and it's brutal. And what Josie de Guzman,

Speaker 1 Diane,

Speaker 1 Diane was young, Toby, my brother Toby, who went on to do the original, he was in the original rent as well. He did all of Jonathan's shows from like Naked Angels and Tic Tick Boom like that.

Speaker 149 That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 86 And I loved the Tic Tic Boom movie that Lynn Manuel did so much, too, because it got that spirit.

Speaker 90 I remember when he showed those rehearsal rooms, I felt like I could smell them.

Speaker 100 Like the light coming in the window on those third floor studios.

Speaker 83 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 138 It just brought me so back.

Speaker 163 And it's hard.

Speaker 115 And I wonder, like, how do you remind yourself to be fearless when

Speaker 93 you need to be?

Speaker 90 When you're so established, I suppose.

Speaker 86 Because I think that's something that we're running into is it's like, it's harder to be fearless as you become more more established.

Speaker 139 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. You just try to make interesting choices.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, doing Plaza Suite was really terrifying. It's just absolutely terrifying.
And playing, each of us, you know, we're playing three parts and they're not anything like us.

Speaker 1 They're not, it's a different generation and politics were different and women were different and sexual politics was different and people.

Speaker 1 sounded like where they were from. There were regional accents and manner and behavior and it was absolutely terrifying, but I couldn't not do it.

Speaker 1 So there are lots of ways in which you can stay, well, feel like you've always felt. Like, what is the job? Right.

Speaker 1 How will it, what, I mean, the only difference now is,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 how long is it taking me away from my family?

Speaker 47 At this point,

Speaker 1 that's the only new

Speaker 1 part of the math. of making decisions.
It's pretty much all the same. It's just.

Speaker 86 The two of you were just

Speaker 144 glowing together.

Speaker 111 I remember I talked, she went with James Cully.

Speaker 123 Oh, great.

Speaker 121 And I like, we were watching it, and just there's a moment, I believe it's the top of act two, where you come out in the blue dress.

Speaker 122 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 114 And the audience is just euphoric.

Speaker 122 We're seeing you in this outfit.

Speaker 95 And we looked at each other like, well, come on.

Speaker 86 And I mean, like, but, and then just like the kinetic energy that you guys have together.

Speaker 121 You really are incredible scene partners.

Speaker 100 And I wonder.

Speaker 1 We never really worked together, though.

Speaker 83 Yeah, I was going to ask.

Speaker 1 Like, so nervous-making, but that opportunity is brave in and of itself.

Speaker 95 I would imagine.

Speaker 100 There's something courageous and like, okay, I'm going to like.

Speaker 1 It was kind of scary just because, I mean, it was scary for all the reasons that I'm always nervous every time I get a job or do a job or start a job.

Speaker 1 I'm always like, basically, not really functioning as a calm person. Like the first two or three weeks of every job are just awful.
They're really incredibly unpleasant.

Speaker 92 Well, is

Speaker 92 like,

Speaker 104 really?

Speaker 1 Yeah, just nervous and sick. And like, not sick, but like

Speaker 93 you're nerves. Yeah, there's something in your body that's like,

Speaker 93 is it like that even when you revisit Carrie?

Speaker 1 Every single season.

Speaker 93 Really? Really?

Speaker 94 Because I was going to ask, I'm always sort of struck by the idea.

Speaker 253 Do you feel that?

Speaker 84 Not every season, SNL?

Speaker 198 No, not at all.

Speaker 33 I mean, I'm just like perpetually nervous and that just hasn't changed.

Speaker 104 Me too.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 93 But I asked Cynthia this.

Speaker 33 I was like, was it, what was the reacclamation to Miranda? And she was like, nope, she's kind of in me.

Speaker 3 I was like, that's incredible.

Speaker 33 But I was, I'm always struck by the idea that you never watched dailies. Most of Sex in the City you haven't seen back,

Speaker 33 is part of the answer to the question that Matt's asking, is it to eliminate the things that would engender fear?

Speaker 94 Because, yeah,

Speaker 149 to watch yourself back.

Speaker 1 It's not productive for me. It makes it, and it is for Cynthia.
Like Cynthia is a perfect example of someone who can watch dailies and have it be helpful, useful.

Speaker 1 And for me, it's paying attention. I just want to be, I just want the work to be good.
Like I don't need to see a play back on the set ever. Okay.
I don't need to see dailies.

Speaker 1 If there's something radically wrong, I'm going to have known about it long before that work comes back from the studio the next day. I will have felt it on the set.

Speaker 136 There is, I have so,

Speaker 1 I have like, I'm like a whippet, you know, I'm like, so

Speaker 1 like this. I want so much for the work to be good that anything

Speaker 1 that feels peripheral isn't helpful to me.

Speaker 90 It's not candor.

Speaker 85 It's not candor.

Speaker 83 I think it's honesty.

Speaker 53 I think you are.

Speaker 268 I think you really do seek honesty.

Speaker 87 I really like that.

Speaker 1 But Cynthia would say that she can seek honesty from those dailies, but I just, we're just made differently.

Speaker 162 It's a short process.

Speaker 108 Right, right.

Speaker 33 But is in the absence of that sort of reflection,

Speaker 33 like what is your way of tracking Carrie through all the years?

Speaker 1 Talking to Michael all the time,

Speaker 1 asking a lot of, not asking questions because I'm not a trained actor so I'm not asking questions

Speaker 1 I'm not asking subtext questions which I keep to myself

Speaker 1 I'm asking questions

Speaker 1 um sort of like a for instance of but if but if she's saying that

Speaker 1 or she's behaving this way or she makes this gesture or she wears

Speaker 1 that then don't we want to be thoughtful about that or if you're asking if if it's written this way

Speaker 1 is there like is there a landmine on the way to the next

Speaker 1 thing?

Speaker 1 And sometimes Michael Patrick will say to me, you don't know what I know. And I'll say, I don't.
And I don't want to.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't like to read the script until the night before the table read because I have so much work to do in this present moment that if I start, sorry, knowing what Carrie's going to do next,

Speaker 1 then I'm like,

Speaker 1 not here. Or he'll say to me, wow, that's a, I didn't see that.
You're right. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute let me think about that maybe we should back off that or maybe you're right to pay attention to the kind of language here because maybe we don't like I'm very I'm always on them about language I'm like she's writer she's writer she's a writer so she'd be thoughtful about the way she's expressing things like does she use the F word a lot maybe not because she's always

Speaker 1 thinking and considering and her observational life has been like her

Speaker 1 meal ticket.

Speaker 1 So I want to to be thoughtful about language because it's the only way she's in the world.

Speaker 86 Thoughtful, literally full of thoughts.

Speaker 85 Right.

Speaker 86 And that's really interesting, especially because you're talking about how like...

Speaker 254 So that's our jacket.

Speaker 92 Sorry.

Speaker 32 I love that. I love that.

Speaker 106 But you're in the in speaking about like literally the character of Carrie Bradshaw, one of the things that I think is so incredible about Carrie

Speaker 164 is that she is far from perfect. She'd be very easy to judge.

Speaker 112 And I wonder.

Speaker 1 I wonder how people do. No, well,

Speaker 84 I wonder how many times.

Speaker 83 Well, that's a good thing.

Speaker 113 But I'm saying that that's the point.

Speaker 95 But literally, she made, I think, one of the most famous mistakes in television history.

Speaker 110 What are you talking about?

Speaker 100 Well, when she cheated.

Speaker 1 Like men have been doing forever.

Speaker 160 Well, yes, but I know.

Speaker 1 As leads on shows and in movies, and people are like, I love him.

Speaker 168 This is the actual question I'm asking is how much do you judge her?

Speaker 86 And how much are you like, Carrie, when she does something that you don't like?

Speaker 1 I mean, she's a fictional character.

Speaker 83 Well, yes.

Speaker 1 I think people make mistakes, and smart people do silly, stupid things, and they use poor judgment and they fall really short often.

Speaker 1 The best of us

Speaker 1 fall short and, you know, we

Speaker 1 forgive us our trespasses if we forgive those who does.

Speaker 1 I mean, I kind of think if Carrie Bradshaw were somebody who was absolutely reliable to

Speaker 1 resist,

Speaker 1 in that instance, the temptation of Big and Big, who followed her around, who orbited in a solar system that seemed to only include the two of them.

Speaker 257 Narcissistic abuse.

Speaker 83 You know, who made me apparently that's a new,

Speaker 1 those are new language new words for me.

Speaker 1 But I

Speaker 1 and then I'm not entirely sure what is the show.

Speaker 1 Like, who is this person if she is only

Speaker 1 making

Speaker 1 really solid, predictable choices and choosing. And it's not a recipe for all of us to live by.
That's what makes it,

Speaker 1 it's like there's an altered state to sex in the city. There's like, it's not entirely,

Speaker 1 the emotional life is rooted in truth, but its existence has always felt to me like

Speaker 1 slightly technicolored on a higher vibration.

Speaker 1 Altered. Yeah.
Like the city looks

Speaker 85 like this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And the clothes look like this.
And there's like a time warp of

Speaker 1 like time suspends and you can be with people you love. for long periods of time, which does not exist for all of us, no matter how much we love our friends.
And love has this sort of like

Speaker 1 extra dose of some kind of

Speaker 1 adrenaline

Speaker 1 fueled

Speaker 1 ridiculous consuming love consuming yeah we want what does she say to him i want love i want ridiculous i am someone who is looking for love and that and i want ridiculous

Speaker 1 love and if you want

Speaker 133 it's great we can't have

Speaker 1 i mean you don't spend time on hbo being perfect. No.
And one of my favorite characters in the world is Tony Soprano. Like, forever.
But that is not a man who made great joy.

Speaker 1 Curious how many people did not interrogate those same things about him.

Speaker 1 Nor should they have because it was just beautiful writing and brought us into the life of somebody who we wouldn't normally feel such compassion for.

Speaker 1 I'm not comparing. I'm just saying it's curious

Speaker 1 how little tolerance we have for a woman

Speaker 83 falling short.

Speaker 86 of course it's that and but also it's like we project on to carrie because we want to be her whereas like we really don't want to be tony soprano so there's a there's no maybe we want to be jimmy like there was something really well yeah

Speaker 259 and you want like the the i guess the intensity and the complexity yes it's almost like i feel like when people can expect something of you like you can fail them and i think that carrie bradshaw is an aspirational this is why it's interesting i asked the initial question of like, that must feel sometimes a little intense because she is the woman who took over New York

Speaker 117 and started, you know, smoking her cigarettes, taking off her shoes on the street.

Speaker 86 And now, you know, we've seen her all these years and we've been with her.

Speaker 119 Yet we didn't need to see all her growth to, from the beginning, know that we wanted to be her, be one of her friends.

Speaker 95 Are you a Carrie or Miranda, Charlotte, or a Samantha?

Speaker 101 That's a question for a reason.

Speaker 132 And so when that is true, my opinion is that is why we're often hard on people because, but I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 202 And I'm Carrie, I assure you,

Speaker 201 you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's so interesting.

Speaker 133 I wouldn't do that, but I'm Carrie.

Speaker 160 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I've never heard that. That's really great.
And I'm not privy to all of the chatter. So I'm just,

Speaker 1 Kristen Davis always keeps me posted in ways that sometimes I'm like,

Speaker 81 you don't have to tell me that.

Speaker 81 I don't want to hear what anyone has to say.

Speaker 136 Right, right.

Speaker 1 Plus, which it's not, it doesn't help me. No, but I'm thrilled that people have feelings.

Speaker 162 Like, how great?

Speaker 133 Of course. Right?

Speaker 33 The treat, the treat of watching Carrie now is just that you're like, and this is just a testament to your acting, which I can't really quite still can't square with the fact that you don't watch anything back.

Speaker 104 It's just that, like,

Speaker 229 this is, this is Carrie. This is Carrie like

Speaker 258 decades in in this beautiful way.

Speaker 33 You know, it's like, it's still like, I mean, this last episode with Carrie and Ada, and it was, it was the perfect extrapolation of like what like I

Speaker 33 watched as a non-New Yorker

Speaker 147 now thinking, oh, but that's, that's Sarah Jessica.

Speaker 33 That's Sarah Jessica like

Speaker 147 like shepherding this

Speaker 33 person into like across time in a way that I think, I don't know, we never love.

Speaker 95 And we should say when we're talking about the scene with Aiden, we are, this will come out in a few weeks.

Speaker 95 So like we are a little bit behind something may have happened with Aiden since we're talking about Carrie.

Speaker 95 Again, I didn't love that she did this, but gave him the goddamn key. I was like, you really are giving these men the access

Speaker 85 and then this

Speaker 18 i know she has to believe but she has to want more for herself too no but then and then we did watch on the way here um i knew you would do this i'm humiliated i'm humiliated what an amazing sequence incredible sequence

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Speaker 87 Can we just talk about filming that?

Speaker 86 Like the wedding sequence.

Speaker 90 The library.

Speaker 149 The library, which obviously had to have meaning for you as well, because you're so close to it.

Speaker 115 And then here you are creating this iconic thing.

Speaker 101 But like,

Speaker 163 you don't watch that back, that sequence?

Speaker 93 Because you really killed it, girl.

Speaker 1 I really remember, I remember, you know,

Speaker 1 we had to, we had to, Michael really wanted us to

Speaker 1 go to the premiere and sit through it. And done.
So

Speaker 33 you did see that?

Speaker 1 I did. It wasn't like pleasant, but meaning, like, I don't want to watch myself for that long.

Speaker 268 And also, is that

Speaker 1 that scene I remember really shooting because we were trying to, I'll have this piece of tape off by the time I finish.

Speaker 1 We were trying to

Speaker 1 protect the plot, like, which was a crazy thought that we could do it on 43rd Street between 6th and 5th.

Speaker 1 And we were all, like, they had us in a hotel room as, you know, they do. They got to put you somewhere while they're setting up the shot.

Speaker 1 And so we were all in a hotel room together waiting to shoot that scene. And

Speaker 1 I didn't know how

Speaker 1 you know there's so much and you both are you're actors so you know there's like a huge amount of thinking you can do about something and some people prepare really prepare and I think about things a lot and I learn my lines but I don't really have a set plan because

Speaker 1 it's so much about the other party. Like I can have all the plans in in the world, but that means that it's potentially,

Speaker 1 it's likely I'm not hearing a goddarn thing you're saying or doing.

Speaker 47 Totally.

Speaker 1 So I had no idea how we were going to do this scene. I had no idea how I was going to be.

Speaker 104 Yeah, not on the page either at all.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's just, I think that's a really great example of. Michael Patrick, like really setting the table and teeing it all up really, really well and just calling action and not getting in anybody's way.

Speaker 1 There was no right or wrong way. I didn't hear him in my head saying, I knew it, whatever those lines were, I knew you were going to do this or whatever.

Speaker 1 But there was so much truth. I think the entire time in my head, now that I'm recalling this, was this

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 this, this fear that he actually was capable of that. Not going to show.
Like there was going to be a part of him, even a psychic part of him that didn't show up.

Speaker 1 So anyway, that scene and just people around and us trying not to have anyone take pictures of the flowers and the petals. And those were real, real flowers, the thorns and everything on the stems.

Speaker 1 I mean, those were real roses for all their beauty and all their danger.

Speaker 266 Wow.

Speaker 86 It's so brilliantly directed.

Speaker 93 We were just watching it and I was like, Cynthia, here.

Speaker 52 Oh my God, Kim.

Speaker 131 At least see what Christian's doing.

Speaker 116 And just that.

Speaker 1 How about when Christian just says, no,

Speaker 83 no.

Speaker 108 And wait,

Speaker 136 what was it? I was like.

Speaker 108 No, it was primal. Primal.

Speaker 84 And

Speaker 163 I wanted to know: do you remember? This is an insane question.

Speaker 86 Were there two no's no's in the script?

Speaker 120 Or was

Speaker 1 I think there was one?

Speaker 133 The second one is so cute.

Speaker 266 It's reality. I'm going to ask Kristen.

Speaker 1 I'll call you guys later and ask Kristen to remember exactly.

Speaker 190 It's just iconic.

Speaker 1 And that dress that she can barely walk in, it's, what's his name? Zach.

Speaker 162 It's Zach Posin's dress.

Speaker 136 Yeah.

Speaker 108 That black boy.

Speaker 47 And

Speaker 86 the little comedic beat at the end of her tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip.

Speaker 1 She doesn't have any movement.

Speaker 83 I love it.

Speaker 86 And that's also, that's so specific. That's Kristen, though.

Speaker 1 I have to say, like, that's how Kristen is about us. Yeah.

Speaker 91 Like, don't mess with us.

Speaker 93 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Meaning, she will not let anyone hurt us.

Speaker 1 She will jump in front of a bear, a train, a bull. She is, that is her.

Speaker 83 It was a mission statement for that character.

Speaker 95 Like, that protection.

Speaker 100 And also just, like, you know, the way that every character was like immediately filling into a utility to protect

Speaker 1 like everybody had their job.

Speaker 86 It was just, yeah, i remember that about it yeah just the way that cynthia looks at him afterwards like so deeply because i always thought that the relationship between miranda and big was always fascinating yes because they're they're like i feel like

Speaker 114 miranda always saw big

Speaker 117 always knew something that everyone didn't and of course it was informed by like you know sort of like the version that carrie would tell either of them about oh miranda said this today or big said this today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I think that's why, and maybe I have this wrong, we don't have to spend more time on this, but I think that's why it's so,

Speaker 1 I'm not, I'm not, I don't expect you guys to know the answer to this, but it's possible that Miranda says, go get our girl.

Speaker 1 When Carrie's in Paris with Petrovsky, I think she's the one that says to Big, go get our girl.

Speaker 1 Which is interesting that she is basically endorsing Carrie and Big. Totally.

Speaker 84 You know. Also,

Speaker 33 including herself in that arrangement of our.

Speaker 150 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 139 Yeah.

Speaker 136 it's one of the best

Speaker 33 and what you're describing and on on the day is even though you're saying there's no process the process is led by a candor you know by this honesty that you just don't you you need to know what Chris is going to do or not to know what he's going to do but you need to just play off of what he's going to do or what you know the best thing you can do as an actor it's the best thing is to not be too prepared be prepared

Speaker 1 be on time be on time on time

Speaker 1 learn your lines lines. You know your lines.
I don't care what genre of filmmaking you're at unless you're doing, unless it's entirely improvised. Sure, sure.
Other than that,

Speaker 1 and then just listen, see what happens. It's the best.

Speaker 118 Well, another show I loved, I loved divorce.

Speaker 111 But

Speaker 102 I worked with Molly Shannon on a show called I Love That For You.

Speaker 101 And I remember we were in the makeup trailer one day, and she looked at me and she goes, How much do you look at the line?

Speaker 149 And I go, don't throw her into the box. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 85 Dolly knows

Speaker 85 her line.

Speaker 149 She does.

Speaker 1 All of her notes in her

Speaker 1 script when she's walking around with the script and she's got all of her.

Speaker 264 Oh, I love the way she loves to orient herself.

Speaker 83 I learned a lot from her.

Speaker 1 Yes, I learned so much from her.

Speaker 91 Right? Isn't she great?

Speaker 95 Well, obviously, Bowen's worked with her now several times until she's gone back.

Speaker 118 But, you know.

Speaker 1 When she said,

Speaker 1 what was your answer when she asked that question?

Speaker 114 I was like, you know what?

Speaker 86 I'm getting, because I, again, I tend to drive myself.

Speaker 87 I'm very hard on myself.

Speaker 70 um and i tend i would leave um

Speaker 102 it was my first series regular job and i wanted to do a i wanted to do a good job and i think that um

Speaker 1 you know again i don't want to myself but you wanted to do better than a good job and that you do the best yeah of course of course so basically like um Jennifer Lewis.

Speaker 1 There was a day when Jennifer Lewis we say Jennifer Lewis.

Speaker 85 Yes, Jennifer Lewis.

Speaker 1 That's the only way we say her name.

Speaker 117 One of my biggest bummers is that the episode that she came on this podcast,

Speaker 141 you were out.

Speaker 115 But I want them to meet so bad because I just want to see that interaction.

Speaker 1 Jennifer Lewis.

Speaker 157 But she said to me one day, she was like, You're too hard on yourself.

Speaker 104 You're too hard.

Speaker 131 You're too hard on yourself.

Speaker 86 And she just was like, she was like, and people

Speaker 138 just, you have to know you have it.

Speaker 152 And so Molly asked me that question.

Speaker 267 And I was like, you know what? I'm learning to drive myself less crazy about it because I find you do know it.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 86 If you're the kind of person who wants to show up and do a good job to begin with, you're going to do a job.

Speaker 47 You do know it.

Speaker 86 And so sometimes I think it's important to preserve that freshness.

Speaker 1 A little bit of tingle.

Speaker 139 A little bit of like

Speaker 135 the character's teaching. Dijé Frisson.

Speaker 83 The frisson.

Speaker 133 Fresh from the

Speaker 143 right.

Speaker 86 But no, but it does feel like the character doesn't know what they're about to say.

Speaker 1 Right, I know. So it's that fine line of being prepared and being completely

Speaker 108 genius.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like a raw nerve.

Speaker 153 But Molly was, it was just interesting.

Speaker 72 I made that connection that you guys had worked together in a show I loved.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she's really great. I tell young actors,

Speaker 1 and this was before I'd listened to Barbara Streison's book on tape, the only book I've ever listened to, not on tape, but audio version.

Speaker 87 Yeah, it's pretty great. But

Speaker 1 I think Molly's

Speaker 1 memoir

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 the greatest. Like, if you can't get to an acting class and you can't get to an acting school, that is not a possibility for you.

Speaker 1 Read her book.

Speaker 1 It is a handbook for young actors. I think it's, first of all, it's just, I mean, not surprisingly, it's brilliantly written.
It's so funny and so clearly

Speaker 1 her voice.

Speaker 161 But

Speaker 1 her scrappiness and her persistence, not actually unlike Barbara Streisens, who was like, I'm just, I'm going to get in that class. I don't care.

Speaker 1 I will get in that class if I have to lie about my age.

Speaker 1 If I don't lie about my age, if I do this, if I babysit for the acting teacher, if I, all the ways in which she worked toward Molly had the same kind of grit and the same kind of endless gumption.

Speaker 139 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's amazing.

Speaker 53 Yeah. Anyway.

Speaker 86 Literally throwing herself into it.

Speaker 83 I literally have it.

Speaker 47 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 254 Okay.

Speaker 102 We're going to throw ourselves into it. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 149 Oh, my God.

Speaker 83 This is.

Speaker 1 Anytime I've seen this, the studio seems so big.

Speaker 141 And

Speaker 134 I didn't realize the studio's so small.

Speaker 1 And I guess the way you guys shoot it, which is so funny to say for a podcast, but like the separation because often,

Speaker 1 wait, are you more separated from each other sometimes? Are you ever separated?

Speaker 83 Sometimes we're on this side to the other side.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, because sometimes they're shooting. I guess it's your, right?

Speaker 83 So it's pretty much so funny to

Speaker 136 see you together.

Speaker 180 Sometimes I do like being over there.

Speaker 33 I do like being over there sometimes, but this feels right.

Speaker 94 This feels great.

Speaker 47 I've never heard that today.

Speaker 81 No, I love this. Okay.

Speaker 81 Okay.

Speaker 83 We can start over again.

Speaker 89 You want to take it from the top?

Speaker 1 All right. So what do you want me to do?

Speaker 149 Well, so we're going to go first and then.

Speaker 260 Oh, you're going to all have one.

Speaker 257 Yes, we all do it.

Speaker 260 So excited.

Speaker 1 Almost, that makes me really scared because yours are no doubt, no likely going to be very funny, snarky, fast.

Speaker 130 Come on.

Speaker 85 Well, now you're sitting in a bar.

Speaker 254 We're trying to meet.

Speaker 181 Chaos-free.

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Speaker 24 Okay, so you know how the world is a chaotic, swirling ball of total stress right now?

Speaker 233 Get it?

Speaker 16 Naomi Watts, Nisi Nash Betts, Tayana Taylor, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 194 Her professional life crashes into her personal one, and uh-oh, so how does this super lawyer fix her own mess?

Speaker 74 And of course, everything is going to look amazing.

Speaker 232 It's got some unapologetic glam, a work-hard, play-harder lifestyle.

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Speaker 40 Drama guaranteed.

Speaker 264 So this is our 60-second segment for those just joining us.

Speaker 121 The SJP fans that are just coming by lost coach because the icon herself is here.

Speaker 105 But 60 seconds to ran rail against something in pop culture that's getting

Speaker 83 pop culture.

Speaker 149 Wait a minute. No, just anything.

Speaker 83 Please.

Speaker 1 You'll tell me if I've... I can't wait to hear you.

Speaker 136 Yes.

Speaker 87 I have takes because I'm a fan. Here we go.

Speaker 33 Oh, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, anyways.
Time starts now.

Speaker 86 I don't think so, honey. Carrie Bradshaw, I think you needed to give Paris a few more weeks back in the day.

Speaker 113 I have to say, because I don't think so, honey, big.

Speaker 117 I never did.

Speaker 113 I, like Miranda, saw you from the beginning, sir, and I do have the words for it now.

Speaker 117 It was narcissistic abuse.

Speaker 113 Rest in peace, sir.

Speaker 86 But still, I also don't think Sohoney Aiden wait for me five years, sir.

Speaker 53 Carrie, I SJP, I know you're not her, but you have a direct line to her.

Speaker 117 Carrie, you are a target for narcissists.

Speaker 133 No.

Speaker 117 And let me tell you something about who Carrie Bradshaw is.

Speaker 125 30 seconds.

Speaker 105 Carrie Bradshaw is someone who is looking for love.

Speaker 91 And I don't think that it's here

Speaker 257 in this beautiful city,

Speaker 264 in that townhouse infested with rats

Speaker 122 in Manhattan.

Speaker 264 I think you got to go back to Paris.

Speaker 53 And I got to say, now, like you going to give me some New York recommendations in my new area,

Speaker 83 I think I could give you some Parisian recommendations.

Speaker 256 Silencio, it says it's a gay club. It's not.

Speaker 158 You're going to do great.

Speaker 256 Lots of wonderful straight guys there, Carrie, and they're not big in Aiden, which is perfect for me.

Speaker 89 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 56 And that's one minute.

Speaker 141 Wow.

Speaker 81 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't want to go.

Speaker 141 No, you got to go. I don't want to go.

Speaker 84 I'll go.

Speaker 130 And I'm going to bring us down. It's so bad.

Speaker 268 Can I tell you something?

Speaker 1 Something funny.

Speaker 135 No, who cares?

Speaker 212 And all it has to be is spirited.

Speaker 1 You can cut it out.

Speaker 47 No, we can't. Chump it up.

Speaker 134 Chop it up.

Speaker 135 Make it better.

Speaker 33 They're going to see the timestamps. They're going to know that we fucked with it.

Speaker 134 First of all, you guys are.

Speaker 125 I'm going to take a left turn.

Speaker 261 You go.

Speaker 159 This is, yeah, this is this is gonna

Speaker 81 hold up

Speaker 264 I know he's at a cute isn't that the cutest pop socket it's a little he was dragging

Speaker 268 pop socket so but this is also a fidget spinner

Speaker 234 it's a fidget spinner on a pop socket let's show the girls let's show the girls look at that y'all isn't that

Speaker 5 well he's a Pokemon fanatic that's really really pretty fun all right oh it's my base it's my baseball it's my it's my uh Yankees I mean you look down at the text and there's a lot oh are you serious oh yeah it's okay mean from the world Just CNN breaking some news.

Speaker 84 Oh, anyways.

Speaker 149 It won't be topical now.

Speaker 85 But just know there's

Speaker 134 no bullshit. Just breaking some news.

Speaker 83 Okay.

Speaker 113 This is Bowen Yangs.

Speaker 102 And his time starts now.

Speaker 33 I don't think so, honey, when someone asks if you're free on a certain night without telling you what they are inviting you to or pressuring you to do.

Speaker 113 Narcissistic abuse.

Speaker 268 That is a form of entrapment.

Speaker 188 Legally, that is a form of entrapment.

Speaker 185 You are not allowed to do that i need to know what you are asking me to commit to before i tell you whether or not i'm free because i might need the night to myself to stay in

Speaker 33 i mean but i think we i in the royal i sense 30 seconds and um we just have to moratorium on that for a little bit before we before we know a way forward.

Speaker 33 I think there should be legislation behind this.

Speaker 185 I mean, you're allowed to cancel.

Speaker 130 In all their free time.

Speaker 1 No, you get three seconds.

Speaker 268 You get your free time back.

Speaker 33 And it's like, but then, but then the person feels like they're giving you your time back, which is also kind of a weird directional sort of way of framing it.

Speaker 33 And I just think we need to be more transparent about what the proposal is when we're inviting our friends out.

Speaker 129 And that's one minute.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 that was really good, guys. That was both, both of those were great.

Speaker 107 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 83 Those are great.

Speaker 33 But it can be anything.

Speaker 212 But listen, what I'm saying about this is, and when I say to you in response to, what are you doing this night?

Speaker 1 and you don't qualify it with any information and my response is well what's going on or why i'm not rude no no no no no no i think it's perfectly fair question yes but i think it's a perfectly fair response why hey why i'm not sure yet why yeah they won't let i'm not sure yeah they won't they won't they won't they won't the government i still think we can use it we're gonna use it yeah do it well i know you sound certain like you can't really use that anymore but um i just kind of grew out of it i was like working on some other stuff yeah um you know i was trying some uh trying out some other stuff i went to carolyn's comedy over there i went to seller no i was just working i try to work on some other sometimes i just say the government

Speaker 1 which is also equally as like disorienting as well for the person that asks government especially now when it's like maybe it's true it might be it might be you know we were at the beyoncé concert in in in paris and wow that's why you guys know well we were there to do the can lion oh god and okay so for our culture awards and we had had a wonderful experience there it was very exhausting and a lot we had never been well he had been to can a couple years ago but i had never been it was it was wow it was intense and wow

Speaker 134 and then we had we took a little i guess a sojourn to um how did you choose how did you know to choose a marae oh we just we had a one

Speaker 83 bc travel oh that's right you said bc travel yeah bc travel b e c b s e e travel and um

Speaker 102 let us in a lovely area and um we were like well if we're gonna be there the same time as beyonce we're gonna go see beyoncé yeah and you know we didn't get the miley cyrus night but we did get the jay-z night which was special and it's in its own right to be certain um but some people were coming up and bowm was trying out can we do it at the end

Speaker 159 i said let's do it on the way out

Speaker 47 that's great

Speaker 253 i've done that i said on your way out make sure you stop by

Speaker 1 or i do i say on my way out i'll stop by and i always do stop by and say hello but i dissuade them that a picture has any i'm like let me disavow you of that idea.

Speaker 1 It has no value at all. This

Speaker 83 is

Speaker 160 good.

Speaker 159 That's the thing.

Speaker 117 You want to be able to say, oh, I had this special bespoke interaction instead of I have this like picture that's kind of floppy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not a very great picture. You know,

Speaker 158 they're never gonna be that great of pictures.

Speaker 149 I know.

Speaker 1 And everyone's tense.

Speaker 160 Yeah, yeah, everyone is tense.

Speaker 84 No one's comfortable.

Speaker 92 But, you know,

Speaker 44 everyone's comfortable and not tense for what we're about to do and witness.

Speaker 83 Which is Sarah just to say that.

Speaker 1 Okay, I just want to say

Speaker 135 you

Speaker 260 that

Speaker 1 a couple things. Okay.
The first thing I'm going to say is that I have been preoccupied with

Speaker 1 family stuff. So as much as I've wanted to really

Speaker 1 think about

Speaker 1 this and have it be the sole focus

Speaker 1 of getting this right, I have not had the kind of time I typically devote to something I care about. That's number one.
Number two,

Speaker 1 I don't want to have a beef with anybody.

Speaker 134 That's okay

Speaker 1 with somebody that is just, nothing chaps my ass, nothing rubs me the wrong way.

Speaker 1 I don't really carry around grudge. So this was labor, like to try to find something

Speaker 1 that really bothers me is so anathema. And here you are.

Speaker 84 Stop bothering me.

Speaker 47 And here you are.

Speaker 93 This is anathema to you.

Speaker 1 And I think it'll be an interesting thing. Guys, I don't even know if it's even close to a minute long.
And I'm going to, if it's,

Speaker 134 whatever it is, it's gonna be baggy.

Speaker 260 It's really bad.

Speaker 113 By the way, you've just plussed it so much with these glasses. They're incredible.

Speaker 264 You've plussed it with the glasses.

Speaker 85 These are amazing.

Speaker 1 Pay attention to the glasses and not to the words.

Speaker 262 No.

Speaker 1 Now, I saw Tina Fey the Great

Speaker 1 Read.

Speaker 150 So listen, and there's no warning against that.

Speaker 83 That's what so many people at ease.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. Yes.

Speaker 1 And you bookend it with, I don't think so. You would like, honey.

Speaker 44 You don't have to end on it.

Speaker 33 No, no, no.

Speaker 108 You should. You should.

Speaker 257 I don't think so, should begin the piece.

Speaker 122 Okay.

Speaker 93 And it should end the piece.

Speaker 1 And if it can come checker throughout the piece, I'm going to try, but

Speaker 1 there's...

Speaker 1 If you ever have me back for no reason at all, because I think we've basically

Speaker 156 covered me.

Speaker 107 Then I'll talk to you about a litany of subjects.

Speaker 1 I will

Speaker 110 do better. No.

Speaker 83 I haven't heard it.

Speaker 150 We haven't even heard it.

Speaker 1 This is. And I'm afraid everyone's covered this topic, but it's the only thing in the whole world that bothers me.

Speaker 81 Nothing bothers me.

Speaker 84 Oh my god, a title of F.

Speaker 255 Title of F.

Speaker 134 This is Sarah Desktop Progress.

Speaker 33 Your time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. Talking everywhere too loud on your phone.
We, in fact, don't want to hear your very important business call

Speaker 1 regarding upcoming merger,

Speaker 1 potential buyout,

Speaker 1 the internecian workplace battles with Doug or Stacey or Kate.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey. We don't actually care whether we learn the inner workings of your psyche as you scream into your air sticks.
Air sticks.

Speaker 1 Or into your speakerphone or with the phone pressed to your ears. Nonetheless, both parties back and forth amplified for all to hear.
I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 We know you are no doubt a very important person, man.

Speaker 1 And though you may think your baritone dulcet tones are a gift to your fellow citizen on the train, bus or terminal D, gate 27,

Speaker 1 or your abuse of the quiet car, even or even the unsuspecting pedestrian you share a corner with as we wait for the walk sign, who is on the receiving end of your screaming instructions to a co-worker, family member, or hotel receptionist.

Speaker 1 Hotel receptionist as you bully for the room with the ocean view. No, Bradley, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 What you might consider a gift for those whose unfortunate path you cross is more so a punishment. I don't think so.
Public spaces don't qualify as working from home, Teddy.

Speaker 1 We are not inspired, motivated, impressed, or swooning. So, bro, bro, with all due, nothing cooler or hotter than a guy who knows when to use his indoor voice.
That's crushing it.

Speaker 134 Yes! One minute!

Speaker 264 And that's to all you, Mr. Biggs, out there.

Speaker 263 What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 That was, it felt like I was hearing.

Speaker 133 A euphoric game was a little bit more than a year.

Speaker 83 It was too long.

Speaker 1 I was going to talk about how everyone has to walk from A to B with a big 12-ounce liquid constantly, but now it's so hot, I felt like that would be a criticism of people being properly dyed.

Speaker 90 We're just trying to stay hydrated, but you know what?

Speaker 88 It is grotesque.

Speaker 33 It is too big, and all these little positive affirmations on the bottle.

Speaker 141 We don't need that.

Speaker 81 You're a grown person.

Speaker 258 You don't need that. What was the audition song, by the way?

Speaker 1 Nothing from a chorus line.

Speaker 255 Nothing.

Speaker 84 Yeah. Oh, my God.

Speaker 33 I do think, I think a chorus line ending on one is actually quite iconic.

Speaker 32 I love that number.

Speaker 156 God, it's good. So good.

Speaker 1 Do you have that experience where everybody, not everybody, specific types, typically speaking, are on their phone too loud? Oh, 100%.

Speaker 86 And

Speaker 72 I would say that there is something, I just wonder what's happening in private that's so boring that they need to perform because that's really what it is.

Speaker 100 They never had their little Horace Line hairspray moment.

Speaker 53 Right.

Speaker 62 They didn't never, they just, you know what I mean?

Speaker 122 That's their standard.

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen the fellow that sits in the old old days, probably before there was security issues, in the gate area and answers the person on the phone who's talking? I do that now. That's funny.

Speaker 1 I wish I could pull up a tape. I do it now.
And my children are like, please, mama, don't do that. Please.
So if someone's on the phone saying, well, Bob, you know, can you make it in seven days?

Speaker 1 They're like, I'll try to make it. I answer.
Oh, that's great. And after a minute, it's so confusing to the person.
who is loudly having this important call at gate

Speaker 149 anyway.

Speaker 1 Watch that guy. He's it's I don't know if you're a fan of what's the show candid camera like I loved.
Okay, that's basically my this is this that that's that's that

Speaker 44 this is that this is that the kids these days don't know about candid camera before TikTok

Speaker 33 and I will say that

Speaker 33 In Paris, there was a woman in our, you know, my room wasn't quite ready, so I was killing, I was killing about an hour.

Speaker 33 And it really sticks out when there's a clearly American person, wasn't a man, but this American American was screaming on the phone.

Speaker 137 And I was like, it really,

Speaker 33 and all these French people just turning their nose.

Speaker 83 Oh, it's so awful. It's so

Speaker 32 especially like egregiously.

Speaker 99 Yes, it's really something when you are with someone too, who's doing it.

Speaker 266 Yeah.

Speaker 115 And you can't, I remember I was on a, I was on a date one time and we were in a very crowded place going home.

Speaker 95 And he was loudly explaining to me when he learned the difference between a hard no and a soft no over email.

Speaker 201 And I'm going to, I'm going to use a verbatim.

Speaker 100 So forgive me, but the woman in front of us turned around and made eye contact with me like this.

Speaker 87 And all she was saying with her eyes was, you cannot.

Speaker 92 I don't think so.

Speaker 83 Yes.

Speaker 202 Like,

Speaker 83 I look back and I go,

Speaker 47 don't worry.

Speaker 81 I was like, this is a one-arm tug and a sayonara at the end of this.

Speaker 118 Loudly going on about it. And I'm like, oh my God, where am I?

Speaker 66 Am I in the Matrix right now or something?

Speaker 33 She was helpful.

Speaker 94 She was huge.

Speaker 108 I'm going to get her.

Speaker 1 That's great. She's a gold colour.

Speaker 92 That's very sweet.

Speaker 188 You know, and only in New York.

Speaker 33 Only New York. And we are so lucky that you came and joined us today.

Speaker 84 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 Thank you for coming.

Speaker 1 I said so many, many, many, many, many, many, many months ago, literally, I think last,

Speaker 1 whenever we rapped, I said, you know, I was trying to figure out like, how do you talk about a show today? Like, what makes sense? What matters? What, there's just so much.

Speaker 1 But I was like, this is what I want to do. I wanted to do this show so much because I really, I love

Speaker 1 what you're both doing

Speaker 1 together and separately. And

Speaker 1 it's, you know, there's always the thing that feels fresh. And people are figuring out ways of like giving us information and stuff.
But

Speaker 1 so I just, I'm, you know, I was hoping that it would be something that you guys would be hospitable to. So

Speaker 1 thank you so much for having me. I really, really appreciate it.

Speaker 162 It's been so much fun.

Speaker 144 It's so special to get to talk to you. Thank you.
It really is. Thank you.

Speaker 33 It's a boon when you embrace.

Speaker 94 Yes.

Speaker 33 It's a boon when you're when you embrace these things. Like you going on all these shows is

Speaker 33 very, very affirming for people who podcast or in the podcasting space.

Speaker 32 We're like, oh, we get to talk to someone as compelling and wonderful as us.

Speaker 264 And we do have a lot of mutual friends.

Speaker 133 We do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do. So our paths have to cross

Speaker 1 with more vigor or more intent.

Speaker 139 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. And they will.
Yeah.

Speaker 152 And you know, next time I see Matthew at a Metropolitan Movement.

Speaker 134 I can just call up and say, I just saw, I was going to say, I didn't bother him this time because he was like next to Steve and everything.

Speaker 118 And I was just like, you know, there.

Speaker 95 But I did just watch Election.

Speaker 85 And we've just got it.

Speaker 120 It's so good.

Speaker 257 And Charles is such an icon in it.

Speaker 1 He's so good. He's so good.
He's so still.

Speaker 117 Did you have a crush on Ferris Bueller?

Speaker 1 I thought he was great. Very quickly, I went to see Ferris Bueller with a young Martha Plimpton.

Speaker 149 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 She was staying with me and we got to the theater at the Gulf and Western building, which is

Speaker 1 just, you know, at Columbus Circle. You know what that building's called.
Of course, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was Gulf and Western building, my whole childhood and into young adulthood and there was a theater a movie theater underneath it was a paramount movie theater and we went to see it I was with a fellow at the time and Martha was sleeping over a bunch and we got to the theater and I remember she told me she forgot her wallet and I was like dang um but so we all saw Ferris Beale together which was amazing and then I was shooting Footloose

Speaker 1 when a movie

Speaker 1 when um I think Project X came out and another movie of his and on my day off I read rented a bike and I rode up you know to whatever in Provo to the movie theater and stopped.

Speaker 1 So, I was seeing all his movies, but not because I was like enamored. No, I loved his work, but and I thought Ferris Bueller was like

Speaker 144 otherworldly. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 I'd never seen someone talk to the

Speaker 84 other one.

Speaker 164 Do you have a kiss for Daddy?

Speaker 91 He's so good.

Speaker 108 He's really great.

Speaker 115 Hey, if you're watching, but you're probably watching the Mets.

Speaker 84 And I don't blame you.

Speaker 47 And let's go, Mets.

Speaker 33 And let's go, Mets.

Speaker 1 Let's go, Mets.

Speaker 160 What is that?

Speaker 263 Meet the Metz.

Speaker 83 Meet the Metz.

Speaker 83 Get to the pen.

Speaker 83 Wow, kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 I think I'm listening. The one I was humming was the one from 660.

Speaker 81 Oh,

Speaker 134 Ford Radio 66. I'm not saying in New York.

Speaker 1 You have all the other songs that I don't have.

Speaker 91 Wait, which one are you thinking?

Speaker 1 Metza, nana. I don't know.
It's the Metza. I don't know.

Speaker 202 Something with the Metza.

Speaker 83 It's AM 660.

Speaker 1 I don't know. May AM60.

Speaker 158 I guess the Navy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 660 on your AM Doc.

Speaker 84 I'll find it.

Speaker 95 You know, we end every episode with a song.

Speaker 263 Do we?

Speaker 52 We do. Oh,

Speaker 95 Bone and I shred it. We shred it.

Speaker 140 But it's different every day.

Speaker 254 Of course, you shred it.

Speaker 1 That's why I shred it.

Speaker 114 And for more of that, you can maybe catch it at the Jimmy Awards or just, you know, get up to the library.

Speaker 134 Stream a chorus line.

Speaker 85 Stream a chorus line.

Speaker 81 Stream of chorus lines 2025. You guys know.

Speaker 33 Lost Culture Readers is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 93 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 244 Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos.

Speaker 33 Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique LeBord.

Speaker 108 And our music is by Henry Kabirski.

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Speaker 48 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too.

Speaker 23 Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743.

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Speaker 13 This Francegiving, you know what everyone will be grateful for?

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