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Look, man.

Oh, I see.

My eye.

Oh, my.

Bowen, look over there.

Wow, is that culture?

Yes, goodness.

Wow.

Las cultoristas.

Las culturistas calling.

They've had a full day of the two of them.

I want you to know how hard we are at work on the culture awards.

We

are

busting our ass.

Holes.

Holes.

I am a crater down there because of culture rewards in the best way.

You know, I have been so.

I'm just going to get into it.

Because one of the things we're going to do is...

We're going to talk about sex?

I was going to say, I've been so horny.

Great.

Have you?

No.

I actually need to talk to my therapist about this moment because I get horny through travel

and then

I

realize that the wires are all a little bit messed up.

So, full disclosure, when I was in London, I was just like, you know what?

Back in the day, I would frequent a bathhouse every now and then.

So, I went to the sweatbox, which is, and then immediately, once I got to the showers downstairs, got recognized by some lovely DC gay.

Yeah, I can't do it.

And I was like, gotta go.

Yeah, it's tough.

That's tough.

I think Joel Kimbooster had a joke about being too famous for an orgy.

Right.

Oh, I love it.

And that was always like, oh, Joel.

Oh, Joel.

Couldn't possibly relate to him, his escapades.

And now I do.

Finally.

I mean,

it's a good thing, I guess.

I mean, careers are going great.

You know what's funny to me?

Like, when I physically get tired, I actually am a lot hornier.

I don't know what that is.

I remember back in the day when I would like jam this schedule with like morning activities, I would just get home and I would be physically very horny.

But that's hard to reconcile with being actually like totally sapped by the day.

But because your body is like, oh, I want to like engage in the act, but you're like emotionally like, but I can't like call someone over because that's a huge part of hooking up is actually getting someone over.

Is the movements

is like the literal movements of bodies.

Good luck, AI, with that, I say.

Yeah, that's one thing they can't take.

Well, I guess they could.

I don't know.

A fucking a robot to me will never have the same just in the I'm just I'm just I'm just taking it all the way to like the fullest potential of this apparent technology.

Like

a hole is a hole, but I also feel like there's just something about it being a human connection to me at least.

That at least like I'm still there with sex where I'm like, it cannot be disconnected from even I just said I went to a bathhouse, but even then I like it me.

Well, you hope to make a friend.

I hope to make a friend.

Well, it's got to be a per if there's a robot in the bathhouse, I go, well, good luck.

You're going to fritz out in about two seconds with the steam in this place yeah this isn't gonna go well for you sister i say right

remember when joaqueen phoenix noted with scarlet johanson though in the film her the seminal film her but her voice was so good in that i'm just saying scarlet's voice well it's a it was scarlet's sexual

timbre.

Oh my gosh.

I just want to say I love Scarlett's vocal journey through her career.

Like if you go back and watch Ghost World and Lost in Translation, it's like it is at a different octave.

And I do love that it's sort of developed this like depth over the years.

We have to have her on to ask about her vocal journey.

Yes, I think she's.

And the title of that for the Scarlet Johansson episode, Whenever It Happens, is already Vocal Journey.

Vocal Journey.

But I just want to say, to your point about the energy, like, I am always, I'm going to say, horny in theory.

And then it's, it gets to that point in the conversation where, let's say you're on a nap, on a hookup app, when discussion opens up about movements about who should go to whom yep that's when i'm like oh actually to call back to our cola skull episode more on coal in a minute we we go emergency with my closest friends i just realized i'm having an emergency with my closest friends

but that's a date that that was a date that was different that's a date thing but i mean it could be a sex thing if it should be sure but there's sometimes when like Yeah, it just all falls apart when even the second of reality is introduced.

And they're like, why is AI taking taking over?

Oh my god.

Oh, my God.

You know, to speak about Cole, here's the thing about Cole.

Cole is cool as a Tony Award winner.

Most deserving award of all time.

I mean, and you know, what was so great about it was I obviously, you know, saw them hit the red carpet looking stunning.

And just

there was something about seeing them on the carpet.

And I just had to sit back and I really got emotional because it actually reminded me about the entire reason why I love Cole in the first place, why they've always been one of my heroes

since when we started comedy was because they remind you that there aren't actually fucking rules.

Uh-huh, uh-huh.

It's like there is no

fucking rule as to what you're supposed to wear, what you're supposed to create, how you're supposed to do the decorum of the award show.

It actually re-inspired me for the culture awards.

I was like, right, exactly.

If they ever had a big fucking idea, they went for it.

I'm sure there are always checkpoints like there are for everyone about like, ooh, is this weird?

Is this too much?

Are people going to get this?

But screaming the word yes to your big idea and what your instinct is is what reminded me.

the other night, like why I love Cole and why Cole is so special and important.

And I'm so fucking proud of them.

It couldn't happen to a better person.

I think it is amazing to think about Cole Scola beating George Clooney.

It was a wonderful little

box moment at the award shows.

We love George.

Love George.

At the Oscars for Theater.

The Oscars for Theater.

That's the Tony Awards.

I mean, it's Real Culture number 50.

The Oscars for Theater, that's the Tony Awards.

But just to place last night's Tony's as another sort of coordinate in the plane of award shows, that was a fantastic program top to bottom.

So fucking good.

And it flew by to me.

I was like, oh, it's already 11.

Okay.

I mean, someone said earlier, like, the Tony's are the best award show.

And I was like, oh, yeah.

And I'm thinking of it, like, oh, I'm glad they're excited.

And then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually, it is the best award show because it's literally built around.

incredible live performance and people that are incredibly capable on screen of executing this stuff reliably day in and day out.

So just to know that just around the corner was another sleigh of a performance was, you know, and to have Cynthia threading the whole thing so poised, elegant, talented.

The standard of excellence is already so high for her.

And she manages to rise above it and raise the bar again and again and again.

The humor felt like totally in the pocket, just

really good.

10 out of 10, I think, for Cynthia.

I think for the whole show.

God, that Immemorium was a fucking punch to the gut.

Yeah.

And everything.

Cynthia getting two applause breaks on her jokes while she was in the mezzanine.

I think both about Jonathan Groff's spit.

Like, that is, that's delivery, capital D delivery.

Yeah.

She was excellent.

And also the way to open a show is always debated.

Like we're even debating it right now.

And you have to be so excellent to open a show like that with an original song because you have to make sure that not only is the person like incredibly good at, you know, executing live television, but it's a song no one's heard.

And to get that across, just the way that she communicates as a singer, there's so many things to say about how brilliant she is as a vocalist.

But what I was struck by was she's communicating like a new story and a new idea to an audience.

And at the end, we were watching at our friend's house.

We were like applauding.

We were like,

yes, this song that we will remember.

It was.

Truly, truly fantastic.

I'm just going to say something.

Even the Pure Least stuff, I was like, I love it.

Go off Pure Leaf.

If any company is going to like own a lot of real estate at the Tony's, the fact that it's an iced tea company, I go, why not?

There really could be worse things.

Oh, absolutely.

And there are.

There's so many worse things

than Pure Leaf iced tea, having a lot of real estate on the Tony Awards.

For example,

famine.

So much worse.

So much worse.

And to even put them in the same conversation, you're joking.

You know what I'm saying?

You must be kidding.

Oh, I guess the only real note that we have, but this is just in terms of like, this is something that like they couldn't have possibly forecast in terms of vibes.

But playing everybody off, I think, could have just been traditional.

I appreciate what they were trying to do, build it into like Cynthia's monologue, but I think just a standard little orchestral, even a track, could have been just fine.

But I think it was just a...

a miss a mismanagement of like what that would be like and like the vibe of the room which you can never know until the day of especially in a time like now where there is a lot of urgency in terms of what people might say in these speeches and people might want to like leave an end on something really poignant to build into the show that you're actually going to cut people off, even with a joke, is kind of not really the move.

And I haven't seen it work in recent award shows.

So I'm surprised they tried it here.

Finally, we have an end to the debate of who's winning best actress in a musical.

It was Nicole.

I applaud this.

I mean, I think both of their performances, I thought Nicole and Audrey's performances were the highlights of the evening.

And I think you saw plain as day why they were the ones that were being talked about the whole time.

I would have loved to have seen Boop, a performance from Boop, because Boop is a lot of fun.

And Jasmine Amy Rogers, had she won, it would have been totally justified.

The girl is so fucking talented and so good in this show.

But Nicole's as if we never said goodbye was.

truly the performance of her career.

I mean, and she's performed live on television so many times in so many memorable ways in a variety of ways.

But that

you could tell her entire career had led up to that moment.

And I'm so happy she did that song because she's like, no, I'm going to do the song from this show.

I'm going to give it.

And similarly to Audra, I had been really wondering which number from Gypsy they were going to do.

I was nervous that they were going to do something like some people and missed the opportunity to really show what Audra McDonald is made of.

And when they pulled it up, the curtain and it was Rose's turn, I was like, oh, here we go.

And I mean, she did not disappoint.

She gave

all of herself plus half.

I mean, it was sick.

Yeah.

I mean, so many things about, we're recording this on Monday, so many things about last night felt historic.

I don't know.

It was just like, oh my God, or it was just like different threads of history being braided together where it was like, you have someone like Audra, you have someone like Nicole, who

feels like a vet but kind of is still just kind of making her mark on theater.

I feel like

even like Michael Arden winning, it's like, oh, this is, you're rewarding someone who has put years and years and years into like executing his vision on Broadway so many times.

I don't know.

It just was a cool night.

I loved it.

He's so brilliant, Michael Arden.

Like I saw Maybe Happy Ending and congrats to Darren Chris on his super well-deserved award as well.

Like the fact that he did parade and maybe happy ending two years in a row is like, okay, that guy can do anything.

And that's while saying I would have been just as excited for Jamie Lloyd to win for Sunset Boulevard at a show that like blew me away and so happy that one for Best Revival.

Yeah, just like so much excellence going on.

And I read a statistic that you can never really take highest grossing to mean anything nowadays because all the prices are so much higher.

Like, so it's kind of like to say that something was the highest grossing year on record doesn't really mean anything anymore because everything is so, you know, prohibitively expensive.

But I also read that it was the best attended Broadway season in a lot of time.

So it means that there were the most butts and seats.

And it does feel like there's a renewed energy around it.

And it's been a really good, solid few years for Broadway, which is obviously a good thing.

And it means that we're coming to ruin it.

And we're coming to Broadway to ruin it.

The The second you think it's going to be good, we're coming.

We're coming.

We're hitting the stage.

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You know what we were talking about last night?

Did you remember this?

After Nicole's performance, I was like, people forget the number of times she has been iconic.

You need to educate everybody on this because this is something I was never familiar with, but I need to know now.

Do you guys remember that Nicole Scherzinger?

So for years, she's had to be a chameleon because she started out as a reality show contestant on Popstar.

She got in the group, Eden's Crush.

Over yourself, goodbye.

That song.

They had like that one hit.

There was like a period of of downtime.

She was in the Pussycat Dolls.

And I remembered her from Eden's Crush even then.

She's obviously a huge success as the member of the Pussycat Dolls.

Then that ends.

She tries her solo career.

It goes iffy in everywhere but the UK where she becomes like a thing.

So she's a judge on UK X Factor in such a significant way.

And Simon likes her so much that they tried to do US X Factor.

And she's a judge on that with Paul Abdul, L.A.

Reed, and Simon Cowell.

And there's a moment.

This is pre-Britney, right?

This is pre-Britney.

Yes.

Okay.

This was the first season of U.S.

X Factor.

And it was Nicole.

Okay, keep going.

It was Nicole Scherzinger who was a judge.

And she, there was a thing at the end of U.S.

X Factor where the bottom two vote getters, it wasn't revealed who got the lowest voice votes, but they would have to have like a sing-off.

And then the judges would decide based on the sing-off who was going through the round.

And I remember it's this, it was at the time she was 10.

Her name was Rachel Crowe.

Her name is Rachel Crowe.

And

she sang I'd rather go blind by Edda James, a 10-year-old.

And she gave it, she sang it like a 50-year-old woman.

And she gave her entire life.

And then the other guy sings whatever.

His name, I believe, was Marcus.

And then they go to Nicole Scherzinger and she's supposed to make this decision between the two of them.

This 10-year-old girl who had just given

everything

to this song.

And Nicole can't do it.

She's like, I can't.

I have to put it to the public vote.

And they put it to the public vote, and the 10-year-old girl loses.

Her eyes widen in shock.

She hits the ground and screaming at her mother.

You promised me.

Oh, no.

And it cuts back to the judges' table.

And Nicole Schrisinger is in hysterics, sobbing in Paula Abdul's arms while Simon Cowell looks on and he realizes that the U.S.

X Factor has failed.

They cut to the commercial, and it's a Pepsi logo.

And the show ends.

And the word Pepsi couldn't have been bigger.

I said, this was the most.

That was her last iconic moment.

Then I guess she, you know, did Mass Singer and then she did lots of things on the UK, West End, et cetera.

But I'll never forget that moment in her career because last night sitting there, I'm just thinking about the totality of Nicole Scherzinger.

And it is so many things, but that is a top five Nicole Scherzinger moment for me, a person who has a top five Nicole Scherzinger moments list.

Yes.

Now,

Simon Cowell, they cut to him.

He realized he has a gaze that implies that he understands that you're over.

But then they would come back the next season with Britney.

And Fifth Harmony was created.

I think, was that the last season of X Factor?

I think it only had two seasons.

Maybe it had three.

I'm actually unclear.

Because Demi Lovato was on that too.

Yes, yes, yes.

Okay.

So this is what it was.

Because it's the second season of X Factor had Demi Lovato and Britney Spears both.

And LA Radio.

Yes.

And that's when Fifth Harmony was created because there was a moment where Demi Lovato says, only one of you is giving.

And Chloe Kardashian, who was added as a host, this is a fucking mad lib, goes to Demi Lovato, wait, who did you think was the one that was giving?

And Demi Lovato just sits there and points to Camila Cabello and says, her.

Wow.

You.

Wow.

Wow.

And the rest of the girls in Fifth Harmony sort of look at Camila who's like,

We haven't really responded to, I have not really looked into the details, but thoughts on the reunion besides Sans Camilla.

I mean, I get why they're doing it.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

The normality of it all continues to completely blow my mind.

I do not know how that didn't work out as a solo thing.

I know.

It's, it's interesting, huh?

It's like, in a way, what was her name, Susan Crowe?

Rachel Crowe.

Rachel Crowe.

First of all, so many things.

I think of Gypsy when she screams at her mother, you promised.

Oh, yeah.

But I also think of this, this idea that, like, this is why like Cole winning a Tony is so incredible.

It's like, nothing is, nothing is promised, especially in show business.

But just in terms of the Normani, I'm connecting all these dots very haphazardly, but in terms of Normani and the Fifth Harmony reunion, it's like.

And like, why that did not take off the way that we all hoped it would and wanted it to in some ways is that hard work can only get you so far.

You know what I mean?

But the thing is, like, I think she did work her fucking ass off.

I just think she didn't like her thing that succeeded.

Right, right.

Cause what I had heard was motivation popped off and everyone was like, oh my God, Normani is here.

Like it is about Normani now.

And she thought it was too pop or she didn't think it was R ⁇ B enough.

It wasn't the type of artist that she wanted to be.

She didn't even like the video.

You know what I mean?

All the really, you know, successful elements of that were her being like, well, I don't want to be well-known for these things.

Like, I don't like what this is.

So I guess you kind of have to respect someone who's like, look, I understand

that this is going to be the thing, but

yeah, like, I was just, this is the most random pull ever, and it's one of the gayest transitions of all time.

I was watching an interview with Brenda Song.

Oh,

love.

And she was saying years ago, like, apparently she booked like the lead of this huge film franchise, but at the same time, got offered the like two-scene role she had in social network.

And she was like, I want to work with David Fincher, even though this is a small part.

I'm not taking the lead of this franchise.

That I guess her agents had busted their ass to get her.

And then as a result of her making that decision, they dropped her.

But now she's a part of the social network, which is one of the most relevant films in pop culture at that time.

And, you know, probably in the last

couple of decades.

You know what I mean?

So who's to say she didn't make the best decision holistically?

Also, she made the decision that she was going to stand by.

So with the normani of it all, it's like, yeah, I mean, she had a huge hit and something that looked to everyone else like it made sense.

But if it didn't make sense to her, then maybe that's the question.

That's the answer to the question of like, what happened there?

It's just she didn't want to be that.

Yeah.

These are, these are, these are vital questions for anyone to ask themselves, including us.

Yeah.

Like, do we, I mean, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it can actually, maybe I'll speak to something.

So it's, it's funny because did you see last week?

I don't even know if I should be going here, but I'm going to go here.

Go.

Like last week,

Andy had on Hoda on Watch What Happens Live.

And he was, he threw your name out there.

He threw my name out there to take over for Jenna.

I mean, not for Jenna, to take over

with Jenna.

And Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers is great.

And all of a sudden, I was, I was sitting there watching it.

And I was just like, oh my God, they're talking about me for this job.

Yeah.

And I thought that it was like, it was really interesting because I was like, oh, I thought everyone was just being nice by saying, oh, you should do this permanently.

You should do it.

Cause because they say that on, like, if you go to like the Today Show Instagram, it's like every time there's a guest job, there's a there's a guest show.

It's like they should be permanent.

They should be permanent.

I thought that was just like a silly thing that people were saying to be nice to me.

And I did think it went well.

But then when they were talking about it up there, I was like, oh, that's so interesting to have people talk about something that you should be doing or you're right for or like, you know, that no one's even asking me if I would want to do it.

Totally.

On the one hand, it's like a compliment.

On the other hand, it is this like total compliment.

But on the other hand, it's this kind of like quote unquote fan casting that like like could make you feel a certain way.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, it's not, it's like not up to, it's not in your control or it's not even up to you, like what the outcome is or like what the conversation, what the tone of the conversation is.

Does that make sense?

Yes.

Well, it's, I think you probably experience, well, I know you experience it and we do not have to get into it and we won't, but I feel like SNL is also one of the only jobs in entertainment where a lot of people can weigh in about like who's staying, who's going, who's getting hired, who's getting fired why are they leaving and it's really interesting i think for that to be an element of like what you do as a job you know what i'm saying it's kind of interesting it's i'm not saying it's good or bad and i i've participated in speculation like that obviously like we have this podcast you know what i'm saying then suddenly when it's something that's knocking on your door you're like oh wow like it's just interesting it's a new feeling yes how do you feel and not feeling wow did you see that text we just got?

Yeah, we got a fun text.

Someone just confirmed for the culture awards and it's going to be a lot of fun.

Someone we don't really know that well.

I know, but I'm excited.

There's lots of exciting things happening.

We are really, really, really committed to making this a fun show.

And the artist presale went on very quickly.

We're so grateful.

We're sorry if it was frustrating for anybody in terms of procuring them, but the sort of end goal of all of this is that this can be shared with everyone.

We've said this in the past, but I think it bears repeating that it's going to be great.

Everyone's going to be pleased.

We hope.

It's going to be the most fun.

Thank you for selling it the fuck out yet again.

Like you guys do.

You guys are the best.

It'll be the best one yet, for sure.

You know what?

I finally got to watch all of, which we were in, but I didn't get to actually consume as a whole was overcompensating.

Overcompensating.

Have you watched?

I am up to our episode.

Yeah.

It's funny because the one thing I had been hearing was, what year is it?

What year is it?

Can I say one of my favorite things about the show is that we don't know what year it is.

I think it's like one of the most fun things about it.

It's like her singing My Chemical Romance.

Yes.

I like that it's that in that way, it's this meta comment on like, this could be any year.

You know what?

Because it can, and I feel like, and I'll just talk openly and honestly about.

This because there were some people I was talking to that were like, oh, he's, it's about him coming out of the closet.

Like, how is that going to play in 2025?

People forget that.

And it's resonating so much with so many people because

maybe you, the Royal U, feel like you're beyond that conversation about like being accepted and, you know, it being a normal thing to be gay, but not everyone is.

No.

Like, I feel like our culture, like really warp speed, like traveled through, you know, what it means to like the love Simony type of gay thing, right?

It's like, and I remember the discourse at the time was like, oh, this is an incredibly like like white gay experience.

He had like incredibly accepting parents, et cetera.

Like, it didn't seem like it was that hard for him and et cetera.

But I remember at the time being like, right, but you do need something like this in order to broach the subject on like a commercial way.

And all these years have gone by and you see like the story about like, you know, this kid, he's a very attractive guy.

He's obviously smart.

He goes to Georgetown.

He still has an incredibly difficult time coming out.

And yeah, you don't know when it takes place.

But I think that that's all outside of the fact, which is that people want to see stories, whether they're gay and it's coming out or whatever, about I'm not sure if I'm my true self, if people are going to accept me.

And that does, it's, it's less about like it being a queer thing or whatever, because it's the question, central question of the show is, are people going to love me if I really show them who I am?

Yeah.

And that is universal.

And the reason why, I mean, look, we've done a lot of press about our projects where we're like, oh, we're just so refreshed refreshed that we're involved in something that is not like a coming out story.

Like, there are other queer stories to be told, but there's the appeal of a coming out story is always that it is legibly about a completely internal sort of like journey.

Yeah.

That is what makes overcompensating a compelling show.

It's like, oh, like, you don't have to see this guy be out of the closet just yet.

There are, in fact, like the Owen Thielie like character, Thiel character, is like the perfect sort of like foil to that where it's like, where it does make it somewhat relevant to now, where it's like in a world that seems like it is people have already figured themselves out ahead of you like how does that make you feel i feel this way still as a queer person i'm like yeah wow i am so stunted in all these different ways i feel completely insecure about all these things like that is and i've been out of the closet for half my life now it's like this is an incredibly universal thing and that is probably what they discussed when they were trying to figure out the story of the series yeah so i have made it to the end and i'm I'm just going to say spoiler alert, like, because maybe not everyone's at the end, but in the final episode of the show, like Benito goes over to Owen, who like Benito, I'll say something about both their performances in a second after I get through this, which I'm so blown away by everybody in the show.

But Benito goes up to Owen after

he's, you know, kind of denied that they're friends in front of some straight guys.

Some straight guys see Benito talking to Owen and they go, oh, are you guys friends?

And Benito says, No, we're not friends, like right in front of him and disregards him.

And Owen just really

comfortably and just casually just like denies Benito when he tries to like, you know, pick up like they've, you know, nothing has happened, et cetera.

And, you know, it's kind of just this moment where this out gay kid who really knows himself is able to just like sort of

be the person person who makes Benito like say, I need to change what's going on.

I guess it's a word salad here, but what I'm remembering is when I went to college and I was that kid, the thing that hurt me the most was when the out gay kids were looking at me like,

we see you and it's pathetic.

Oh, you know what I mean?

Like, and that hurt more than any straight guy testing me or, you know, pushing my buttons because they felt like they knew something about me or any of my girlfriends being a little too knowing.

You know, like what really got to me was when an out gay person who felt realized looked at me and was like, no.

And then the rejection coming from them was like the most painful thing.

And I do think that is the point, obviously, in the series where it's not long after that that things change.

Well, that rejection from an out queer person, let's say, just pushes you a little bit further into the closet, in my opinion.

Whereas, like, you talking to a girlfriend who might know something, or you kind of like, I don't know, duking it out mentally with like a straight guy who's trying to like uncover something.

That's you like holding the line.

That's you, like, holding the line of like who you are.

Like, I get to control how much I reveal, but then someone judging you, or someone thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that you're trying to like negotiate this is, is, I think, only kind of alienates you.

Yeah.

And alienates Benito's character, probably.

I have not gotten to that episode yet.

It's just like there, I remember like, I was watching it in the beginning and I was like, oh, is he going to stay closeted like the whole season?

And I knew we were in episode six where he was still dealing with that.

And he was kind of seeing our characters in like secret because it was like his first grinder hookup.

But I mean, my truth was, and I think your truth was, and I can speak for both of us here, is we remained in the closet the entirety of our freshman year.

Yeah.

I was obviously a little bit more complicated for you because you had come out prior and it was whatever.

But I remember the thing that I can, and if this is like a truthful depiction of what someone like this's freshman year is like, is, yeah, I mean, it might not have been what everyone would have wanted, but I stayed in that fucking closet and talked in a voice like the one he's using in that show

for the entirety of freshman year to the point where it was physically painful.

And the fact that he could hold that much discomfort in his body and in his voice and in his performance, like, I don't know, my hat is off to him because it's not a fun place to live and it's not where he naturally lives now, knowing him.

Totally.

I mean, but he, I saw him over the weekend and I was just like, God, there have been so many moments where I've like gone back 15 seconds or just paused on frames.

Like, he's a really gifted actor, just an incredible actor.

And so so amazing what he's done just as this creator and the star we're just so happy we're just so happy for him it's just really nice to see like the community sort of rallying around this too yeah and you know what i was thinking because because i also was pulling that i was like wow it seems like a lot of the queer community a lot of gay guys

are like out here saying like, I watched this show.

I loved this show.

I felt good watching the show i felt seen watching the show in a way that made me feel really happy and actually reminded me of the reception that we got from fire island like i felt like gay guys were not being shy about saying that they loved it and that they watched it and that they were supporting it and i just feel like sometimes it can feel you know from project to project that the narrative changes a little bit and sometimes can err on the side of oh gay guys don't support each other or like you know gay guys are the cruelest cruelest to each other in media.

And I do think to, in some regard, that is true.

Like, certainly, if I ever, you know, want to self-immolate and I want to feel bad about myself, I'll go on.

And I know for a fact that the nasty things that are being said about like us or me or our projects are from gay guys.

But I really do just want to shout out the fact that like.

Lots of gay guys support queer projects.

Like lots of queer people are out here doing that.

And I don't want it to get lost in the discussion of like, oh, you know, gay guys can't support other gay guys unless they're drag queens or porn stars.

Like, I don't want it to get lost.

That that's not really true.

And I really, and like, I feel like if I were Bonito or if I'm myself or if I'm anyone out here with a queer project, like I wouldn't want to toss like queer people, like gay men under the bus that are supporting that when I do know for a fact that that happens.

I mean, I don't know.

I was going to generalize and say, like, a lot of that animus comes from this insecurity or something, or something internalized, whatever.

But I also don't want to, like, sometimes

the gay guys are cruel and critical for good reason, perfectly.

For good reasons, of course.

Maybe.

Obviously, those are, those are some cases.

But you're right.

I agree with you.

I mean,

I felt it from a lot of cis gay guys.

Shout out.

Like, I don't know.

Like, somebody couldn't live without.

Yeah.

I went to the Betty Who concert.

Oh.

And it was all the gay men.

And we both played webster hall and i was just thinking about when the last time i was at webster hall which was my show my christmas show and it was all

it was all katie's it was all women and i was like it's so funny because like i'm here at this betty who show and it's wall to wall gay guys and tank tops being like it's pride and we're at the betty who show and we know the choreo and we're obsessed and by the way shout out to betty who gets better and better i

love her you're incredible and i was a gay guy at your show.

Woo.

And I was happy to be.

But then I was just thinking, I was like, I wonder what it would feel like for this many gay guys, and gay guys to show up for me.

And then I thought to myself, you know what, though?

They did.

They did.

Maybe they weren't at the front, but there was tons of gay guys at my show.

And I don't want to keep telling myself the story that like gay guys don't support other gay guys because it's not true.

No, there definitely were.

I opened Grinder that night.

I was like, whoa, the group is

all within 200 feet.

You open Grindr at my show.

I got to delete it.

I'm on it too much.

And it's like people

and

75% of my messages, this is just a, this is not a complaint.

It's just like my landscape.

It's just 75% of people being like, is this real?

Oh my God, you're brave.

I'm like, no, I'm, I'm a horny, in theory, at all times, gay guy.

That is, I think, something that I could, I could ask people to strike from their personal thing is like, is this really you about the people?

What I say is I'd be the most random.

Actually, I'd be the most random gay person of

note, of recognition to Catfish as.

I kind of feel like that too.

It's like, why wouldn't you just pick Matt Bomer?

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It's summer.

Summer is, we've really flipped, you and I.

You're not feeling good.

I am not feeling good about this summer, and that's okay.

And it will all blow over.

I am like in the gallows.

It's something's going on, and I got to talk to my therapist about it.

I think I am depressed because all I want to do is just play video games when I get up.

Thanks to my Switch 2 from Nintendo.

Thank you for abetting my depression, Nintendo.

That's just like a way that you like to spend your time.

So you, you waking up and like wanting to do that is just like, I think what you're craving is the, the time to do that.

But, like, you know, it's obviously been, it's been cuckoo crazy schedule time, but you know, I, I was just kind of going through it bullet point by bullet point with you last night.

And I, I had not actually said the words out loud or just like gone through it beat by beat until then.

And it was like, whoa, the last seven months have been

as eroding as they have been maybe ever.

Like, I, I might be in an even, this is not to scare anybody, but like, I think I am, I'm just managing it better for sure.

This is like, I'm like, oh, God, that's just, I'm reminded of that place that I was at when I needed to take a break from the podcast.

And I'm not saying that's what's going to happen, but I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I really need to just keep crawling.

And it will be okay because that got better and this will get better.

And I'm just being real with my sister and my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful community of readers, Katie's publicists, and finalists, and Kyle's.

That,

yeah,

I'm crisped up, but it's okay.

The meat will be will tenderize soon.

I know.

And I want you to know that I know you know this.

You've noticed.

You've clocked it.

Well, it's not even about me noticing.

It's just about you knowing that I'm here for you.

And that if you need anything, and that if I, all I ask is that you just don't add anything.

Just don't add anything.

And that is in your control.

That producer Becca said.

I love you, Becoming.

We all love you.

No, everyone's Becca, too.

Becca had a fun fun weekend do you think becca do you think we would be allowed to go to the puerto rican pride festivities next year yes oh my god please it looks so fun it is they brought a huge crew of people i would love to go and then we'll show up and they'll be like what's their name

It was a myriad of people across the diaspora, not Latino diaspora, let me say that, of friends that were just like, this is so dope and I want to be involved.

I will say, The Manhattan Parade is giving corporate stakeholders, yeah, yeah, like all because that is the true party.

Like, if you want to dance here on the island, you go to Bushwick.

I love it.

We camp out at Maria Hernana's Park, you see all these cars souped up, everyone's playing Bad Bunny at different locations.

Yep, wow, let me know

bunny streams going on at once.

And I don't just mean what i fantasize about oh exactly i mean there were rumors he was going to show up he didn't it's fine no upset about it but and say and sing no valley

no

he now occupies there's like an iconic you know on houston um uh calvin client has

a massive board that is like whoever's the one at the time and right now there there is a huge bad bunny oh and there's a picture producer anna has one a picture of of her pinching it.

Oh, wow.

Anna, you filthy dog.

Now that's too much.

We don't like that filthy humor.

Not on Lost Culch.

Not on Lost Cult.

Not on Lost Cult.

Do you think that the summer will be improved?

We love you, Becca.

Give it up, Rebecca, everybody.

Give it up, Rebecca.

Godsend.

Do you think the summer will be improved by having a legitimate contender for Song of the Summer with Man Child by Sabrina Carpenter?

Because

not a single one of these other songs were legitimate contenders until now.

No, you're right.

I am so thrilled that Sabrina is already kind of locking in as an artist for as long as it makes her happy and fulfilled, is one of those artists who is just not going to really ever take any big break until she's ready to do that.

I love that she's one of those girls who's like, I'm just going to keep releasing tracks year-round.

She's ready for it.

I feel like the thing that sets Sabrina apart from everyone is she actually had years to like train for this shit.

Oh, yeah, like mama is many albums deep.

She now knows exactly who she is because she had the time to develop.

Like, she wasn't bailed on by the industry, she wasn't like embraced by the industry, but no one, it seems like it was like the slowest climb until it just snapped in.

And now she is

like bazooka with these hit songs.

I guess the one thing a couple of my friends were saying was it feels like not a lot of a departure.

But my thing is, like, if you're locked and loaded with a bop, just release the bop.

You know what I mean?

I would say it's like, to me, it's giving 15 minutes, but with that 80s synth opening, very good luck, babe.

Like, I love that blend of, like, she's, she's going out on, I think, banjo licks.

Love.

It fades out on banjo licks, but then it starts with like these,

like that, that, that 80s kind of thing.

And I'm like, oh, love that you've synthesized something kind of newish for us.

I love it.

I love her as like a low-key country artist.

Like, I love her like super like nine-to-five aesthetic that she's giving.

It felt like nine-to-five on the road.

It felt like nine-to-five meets like Thelma and Louise, like woman of the 80s, early 90s thing.

I

love the video.

It's one of my favorite music videos I've seen in a very long time.

Just like the amount of setups.

I was watching it, wondering.

I was like, I wonder if this was storyboarded or they just like set up a million locations and then got everything either way it is so much fun to watch it's one that you could watch again and again and again and again and again and again she's just fucking got it yeah star full star we're obsessed and Jack Antonoff Amy Allen and Sabrina Carpenter that's a trio that should just keep rocking keep sticking together amy yeah she's everything Grammy Grammy winner right she won the Grammy yeah songwriter of the year Yep.

She might be an interesting person to have on the podcast because, like, that's truly, that's truly like nuts and bolts how this, how the

sausage gets made.

I almost said how the salad gets tossed.

Yeah.

Can I say it's definitely how the sausage gets made.

It's not how the salad gets tossed.

If she's got insights on how the salad gets tossed, I would love to hear that as well.

I don't need any tips.

Just kidding.

Ew.

God, I hate myself.

I fucking hate myself.

I did get a DM from a guy.

No, maybe it was a grinder message.

And this is how you know I was getting too crazy on Grinder

that was like, I bet you're incredible at eating ass.

And I was like, I got to put the phone away.

I got to put the phone away.

No, one guy recently was like, whatever, sent me a new.

I was like, great.

And then he goes, yeah, you like that faggot.

And I was like, okay,

well, now I do have to.

I wish I was the kind of person who was turned on by like full, I fully, full sub.

I don't think I'm full sub.

No, I don't like being called slurs.

No, I don't like being called slurs or being told what kind of physical pain I'm in.

Someone said to me recently, I can't wait to choke you and watch your beautiful eyes fill with tears.

No.

And I was like, well, thank you for elements of that sentence.

You know what I mean?

Like, it's great that you want to fuck me a lot.

I'm so happy that you think my eyes are beautiful.

I liked when you called me beautiful.

Yeah.

Well, thanks for saying I'm beautiful.

but then when i thought about choking so well first of all i am on the record that i don't think so honey choking it's just for me

and then someone was like but don't you love poppers i was like yeah i like to pop up and then they were like well you know it's the kind of the same no i wouldn't kind of same like idea is like cutting off circulation and i was like i don't know about that i don't know that this is like a this is danger like i'm i'm putting my hand around my throat this is like this is a little whatever like our brains are evolved a certain way to to to register that as like a a fear response yeah like it's giving oh no you know what i mean and that's i guess i always need to be able to breathe that's a big rule for me yeah that you should be able to breathe need to breathe need to be able to breathe at least have the opportunity yeah uh

i i have to agree

Write that down right later.

Oh, write that down for later.

When lost culture finally fucks what we couldn't do on overcompensating.

Y'all, here's the tea.

Should we say that?

We got the original script and we were like, can we pair this back in a little bit?

The original script had us making out and we were like, maybe that's a bridge too far, both like, I don't know, just like for us as friends and for just, I think, the scene itself.

It would have been a gag.

It made me nervous.

I was like, I feel like if we ever kiss in film and media, it has to be on our terms.

It can't be in someone else's project.

Can I say in hindsight, and not just because the show was a huge success,

that would have been a fine place to be like, let's just go for it.

You know what I mean?

You know what I wish I had done?

I wish I had ad libbed one thing, which is the last thing while I'm while I'm, spoiler alert, jacking off on the Jonathan Adler.

Yeah, yeah.

I wish I had said, I am so in love with you.

I love that.

I wish I had said something along the lines like, you're my husband.

That was so crazy, girl.

Wait, you know what Benny said to me?

He was like, and I was like, shut the fuck up because

he was being sweet, but it was like a compliment that didn't sound like a compliment until later.

But he was like, oh my God, Bowen, like, I just have to tell you, like.

You add, like, in the script, it was originally get out of our house.

And you added it, get out of our townhouse.

And I was like, that is so lateral.

Shut the fuck up.

Like, what are you saying?

No, people are obsessed with that line.

But then later on, I'm like, oh, I guess that is like the slightest.

That is the serrated edge.

That like, that is, that is the bit of, as Emily Oberman describes it at Pentagram, the bit of wit, the thing that is slightly off.

It's like, oh, okay, get out of our townhouse.

Just it's a little bit different than get out of our house.

This is so funny.

We're complimenting our own performances.

No, no, no, that's not fun.

Because by the, by the way, Bowen, I got there in the show, and I, of course, had seen the scene in Isolated because they had sent it over.

They were like, oh my God, we love it.

We're so excited.

So I watched it.

I was like, oh my God, yeah.

Great.

You know what fun.

Yeah.

Presented in the show.

I was like, this really works because it is a panicky situation for him.

Like when you're following him the whole time, and then you find us with our two creatures.

And the way that it starts so kind of like, you know, you think he might be understood and then you come in and it's a whole other fucking thing.

It really worked.

Yeah.

And I love that subtly I am so the bottom and you are so the top.

Like you totally are the top.

Like even when you walked in and you go, oh, like that, you, that you said it like a top.

Like you did the whole thing like a top, and I did the whole thing like a bottom 100%.

Because you are the top in that relationship.

Davis is the top.

I think you're the top in our relationship, to be honest with you.

Baby, non-sexual top.

Yeah, the top.

No, I think you talk a lot with us.

That's not true.

I'm quiet as a mouse.

Girl, I'm not topping you in life.

I'm not.

I'm out here.

I feel the bottom.

I feel the bottom.

You think you're the bottom with us?

Oh, yeah.

Bottom.

I've celebrated that.

I've got a record saying, whatever.

I just, I like that about us.

How are you denoting bottom?

Well, gosh, this is something I have to examine too.

Oh.

I'm denoting bottom as

sub.

No.

Because of that directionality.

I don't find you to be sub.

Okay.

Socially.

Friendship-wise.

Really?

No, but I also don't think you're dominant.

I just think you're the top.

God.

Can I just say, oh, God, this is going to sound so annoying.

But with like the night that I had off, I was like, I'm going to go and meet this guy for drinks.

Sure.

Barely got a word in editories.

I'm like, this is my biggest pet peeve.

And you know, I was talking to Lily Glad, Lily, about this during press.

I was like, we did this like them speed dating thing.

I don't think they use this part, but they were, but one of the questions was, what's your biggest pet peeve a dating?

And I was like, I think mine is just

just not saying a peep.

I've gotten so many dates lately where I just don't say a peep.

I don't get asked anything.

Yeah.

And then Lily was like, but that's probably because they, it's people who know it's you and also they are nervous and all these things.

I'm like, but like at the end of the day, no matter what the dynamic is, if it's a date, it's like, it should be equitable.

It should be an equitable conversation.

That's my, that's, that's my radical opinion.

Am I correct?

Am I, am I wrong?

No, you're 100% right.

I think, I do think Lily is probably right.

Like, I would imagine that people obviously come with an with an idea of recognition for you and they're therefore baggage about the situation.

And so they're probably coming to the table thinking, well, I'm going to show that I'm valuable as well by sharing a lot.

When meanwhile, it's like what you really want to do is be actually understood.

Or just on a date.

Yeah, just on it, just be on a date.

You know what I know about you, even though I have not witnessed it firsthand.

I bet you're a great fucking date.

And I'm going to say I'm a great fucking date.

I bet you are.

100.

I try.

I try.

I try to make it so easy for the other person.

Hence me like nodding along, listening.

I'm with them every

step of the way as they unfurl their life toward, like towards me.

And I retain all that information.

I really do.

So that the next time, if there's a next time, I like follow up.

I just, I wish I could be afforded that.

Yeah.

I think that's, well, I'm what, and now I think in stating it out loud, this is one way to do that.

Sure.

Hopefully people, someone out there takes the note.

I guess I'm wondering now to myself, because I always feel like when you're, when we're talking about dating, it's so easy to be like, other people be like, or like, I hate my message.

Totally.

And I'm trying to ask myself the question of like, if I could take accountability, what could I do better with dating?

I know, I know already what mine is.

What's yours?

It's, I'm so bad at the texting back.

And that is just across the board a problem I have.

That's just across the board, something that I have with you, with

our friends, like, it's like, it's, that's, it's just something that.

infects every part of my life.

What about you?

I don't feel left unread by you ever.

It's, it's great to think that I could get even swifter responses.

You can leverage.

I think my thing is I just bring other experiences into.

That's okay.

It's so hard not to.

Yeah.

I sometimes have to extra remind myself that, you know, other people I've dated are not in the room with us when I'm on a new one.

And like, I don't, like, like I'm talking to a new person, not someone I can project.

something on from all older situations, but that's my thing.

And also just knowing what I want to begin with.

Totally.

Because I think we could, I could personally save a lot of people a lot of time if I were just like, maybe this is not what you want.

Yeah.

Because for me, it's no longer the thing of like, I feel like I'm performing on a date or I feel the need to stunt on a date or like win a date.

Like, that's something I'm, I'm, I'm over.

It's other things now.

It's like, why am I here to begin with?

And while I'm here, what am I thinking about?

Or what am I anticipating?

yes that gets in the way that that that like that like colors the rest of it within the date it's unfair to the other person and myself yeah you know what i mean i've had a dating trauma

and i feel like no matter how hard i try and i'm not saying it's like it's it's it's as much of a problem as it's been i'm just saying that is my challenge now is like this person isn't gonna hurt you necessarily this is like if you can actually trust what this person says you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, especially as you get into your mid-30s, it's it kind of feels like less people are likely to bullshit.

So, give them the opportunity to be genuine.

Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all going to be like that.

I will say, what was done to you is so unusual.

Your dating trauma, as it was inflicted upon you, was

of such a deranged

nature.

I was was just saying it was

going to say nature.

It was so extreme and like something that I would not wish upon my worst enemy.

But this is where the accountability comes in.

Totally.

And

I just want to put that out there.

And like, it just, I feel for you constantly in this regard because it's like, God, it could not have happened to like a more undeserving person, whatever deserving means.

But you know what I mean?

It's like, God, like, you, you can't fucking, like, why would you do that?

Don't do it to Matt.

Don't do it to anyone.

Okay, what were you saying?

Accountability.

I think the accountability part is also being like, okay, a shitty thing happened to you in your life.

Forget about dating, whatever.

It's like a relationship, whatever it is.

Like, where's the accountability?

Because at a certain point, you do have to stop saying, well, it's because this person was this or wrong place, wrong time, or whatever.

Like, I've been able to make so many positive changes just about like managing my energy and knowing about people's capabilities through certain situations.

Like, and also it has made a lot of other things in my life make sense.

Like, I will never say to anyone now, like, you have to get over it.

It's been a long time.

You know what I mean?

Or, like, or you know what?

It's like, I'm grateful for the ups and downs of dating in general because they fill out a landscape of

what that experience is really like in totality so that you can be more

sensitive and more generous and more understanding and empathetic with people that they do say that about like heartbreak and about grief is it is miserable to go through but then ultimately that is what makes you a 360 full human that's what colors in the coloring book that of your emotional life are the hard things it's just fucking tough while you're going through them and i do think like accountability is important sure you can give as much as you can get and like there's one thing being like oh i'm gonna kick this around with my girlfriends and my sisters and my best friends about like how shitty the situation was.

But then there's another element of it, which is like, and I could do better too.

Of course.

And the fact that you even have that mechanism to be like, let me examine myself is something that the vast majority of people don't have yet.

Cause we're, we're just people in our 30s.

dating, I think for the most part, other people in our 30s.

And

we're all figuring this out together.

That's the thing about dating within your age.

Everyone on some level is developmentally on the same track, but also there is something appealing about dating, for me, older, but then that becomes, but then you have to like parse that.

Well, is that a flag of any color for that?

You know, it's like, there's just so many different things that you have to think about.

Hey, everyone.

We know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see.

Well, if you haven't seen Platonic on Apple TV Plus, you need to add it to yours now.

It's hilarious.

Seth Rogan and Rose Byrne play a pair of platonic besties like Matt and I, who are as likely to cause trouble for each other as they are to support each other.

If you have seen it, you already know that.

But you might not know that season two of Platonic is out now.

This season, Rogan and Byrne deal with uncomfortably hilarious midlife hurdles, including new business ventures, weddings, and partners in crises.

And as best friends do, they try to help each other, but sometimes just make things worse.

These two are just so funny together.

Love them.

Luke McFarlane and Carla Gallo are so back this season alongside new guest stars, including some seriously funny SNL alums, Adie Bryant, Kyle Mooney, and Beck Bennett, and the fabulous Milo Mannheim.

If you haven't seen season one, catch up immediately.

And if you have, second season of Platonic is now streaming on Apple TV Plus.

Don't miss it.

We're here to tell you about Searchlight Pictures' new film, The Roses.

Perfect couple, Ivy, played by Olivia Coleman, and Theo Rose, played by Benedict Cumberbatch, have it all.

Successful careers, a loving marriage, great kids.

But when Theo's career comes crashing down, just as Ivy's fame starts to skyrocket, a tinderbox of fierce competition and growing resentment ignites, threatening to destroy everything they've built if they don't destroy each other first.

All's fair when love is war.

For anyone who's ever been in a relationship, The Roses is a crowd-pleasing comedy.

Starring Benedict Cumberbatch, Olivia Coleman, Andy Samberg, Allison Jenny, Belinda Bromalo, Sunita Mani, Shutigatwa, Jamie Dimitrio, Zoe Chow, and Kate McKimmon.

From the director of Meet the Parents, Jay Roach, and the writer of Four Things, Tony McNamara.

Comedy seems to be the genre of the moment.

It's easy to see why everyone could use a good laugh.

In theaters everywhere, August 29th, get tickets now.

You know, summer is winding down, Bo, and that's a bittersweet feeling, but there is something that's kind of nice about getting back into a routine and gearing up for fall.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, it's time to get consistent about having people over, you know, lounging around.

And here's the thing, you can't lounge on just anything.

You have to lounge on some beautiful, gorgeous furniture.

Stuff you can get like, you know, at Wayfair.

Oh, I love getting stuff at Wayfair.

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You know, there's so many questions to ask when you get on the website.

Like, what is my decor style?

You know, and Matt, aren't you decorating your new apartment?

I am.

Yes, I'm having a wonderful time.

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sudie is like positive that we both have to date older she's positive she says it all the time she's like well you both need someone who's going to take control in her like way of saying that and i'm just like see i wonder though i wonder all right dating older quote unquote is different saying that at 35 than saying that at 25.

you know what i mean like when i was 25 dating older meant like a guy in his 30s now dating older at 35 is like, I don't know what, like a guy in his 50s, you know, like that's, that's someone that's looking for something totally different, probably.

There's like, it's, so it's, I certainly watch a lot of daddy porn, I'll tell you that.

I'll tell you that, but I'm saying, uh, in terms of taking control, I don't know about that either.

All I want,

this is all I want.

I want someone to know what restaurants to go to.

That's all I actually want.

And when you say that, do do you mean like you want someone that's going to take care of the decisions of the

life?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I made a reservation for us here.

Meet me here.

The cleaning person is coming on Thursday.

Like not a, not a nurse or a maid, but just someone, someone that has that on their mind.

Take care of you.

I have my like.

dashboard of life all kind of laid out the way that I want it to, except in some few deficiencies.

And it would be so nice.

And this is not a a requirement, obviously.

And we're just talking, we're just shooting from the hip here, but it's like, would be so cool if like there was a puzzle piece like

completing that, you know?

Yeah.

It's just so funny.

Oh, it's so, it's so fun to fantasize about these things.

No, I know.

It's so fun.

I know, because, and I'll tell you what, it's a lot more fun than going on the actual dates.

Talking about how many and shit.

Totally.

Because like, again, like, it's like, it's like we were talking about earlier about like, you know, gay guys not supporting other gay guys.

It's like, yeah, but isn't, wouldn't it be fun to think about one that does, you know what I mean?

And they do exist.

Yeah.

Not to say that every time a song like Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter comes out that I'm not absolutely down to ride load the shotgun, let's go into town.

You know what I mean?

Like, I am down to talk about how men ain't shit like it in little tiny fun flares, but in terms of a life ideology, I had to,

and, you know, I think we all have to, at a certain point, like clock the stories that we've been telling ourselves and being like maybe i'm not helping myself by consistently telling myself the same story because not everyone is the person that love bombed you not everyone is the person that cheated on you not everyone is the person that you know

stole your money oh i don't know why that was the third thing have you have you been pilfered by a man nobody know people that have yikes

Someone that we know was dating someone, it was found out, was only dating them so that they could finance projects of theirs.

And then they bailed.

Like, people are sick.

Well, there's one fucking person out there who has never dated me, but owes me money.

Oh,

you got to tell me after.

I got to tell you.

No, I followed up after years, and you know who it is.

Oh, I do know who it is.

And can I tell you something?

That's crazy.

I emailed again.

I was like, hey,

where's my money?

And if I see him out in these streets, say it, say it.

It's on

site.

Literally.

Why are you not paying me $400?

I'm not, I'm not like confrontational at all.

In moments like this, I have no problem bringing it up.

And this person's avoided me out in public.

And I'm like, dude.

Well, of course.

How much money is it?

Like a $700.

Yeah.

See, that's not a small amount at all.

I want $700, please.

Yeah.

That is owed to me in the form of services and lodging that I was providing to you and that was agreed upon.

God, whatever.

You know what's a crazy thing about me?

I had the instinct for three quarters of a second.

I was like, I'll just send him the money.

No.

But then I was like, no, it's not about that.

No.

It's the principle of

pleasure.

One of the great songs.

I feel like people are going to be furious if we don't address it just like that.

Okay, let's address it just like that.

We have to address it just like that.

One thing I'll say, I loved the choice for the virgin nun played by Rosie O'Donnell to say, I've never been to New York before.

In a New York accent.

That's how I knew we were still cooking.

You know what I mean?

For Rosie O'Donnell to just launch I've never been to New York before,

like in that accent as a virgin nun, lesbian nun who fucks Miranda, like more of that.

Like if I'm behind the wheel, my foot is on the gas for more of that.

Right.

I am really disoriented by the Aiden stuff, gotta say.

So this five-year thing is loose, and then he shows up for a random thing because he was just in town, unannounced, comes to the house.

Like a lot of things need some sort of realist texture there.

And it just, there's, there's, it's just a slippery fantasy, which is, I guess, what Sex in the City always kind of was.

But then at the same time, there were moments of that show that were truly, for lack of a better word, like gritty.

100%.

They've got Carrie in a long-distance relationship dealing with rats.

I said, I don't see this for my girl.

It's hard when you have a character that you know is smarter than this.

And we're watching her go through this.

And I'm like, look, I understand.

Like, I have, I've been there with really trying to make it work with the guy that you believe is the one.

But at a certain point, like she's too old for this shit.

And I wonder if it's like, okay, we're building up to like her losing patience with this kind of domesticity.

And then this breaks off of Aiden.

And then she goes out into the dating world again.

But I don't know that two episodes in a row of home maintenance is

a thing that that is, yeah.

I think, but I think we are because this guy that's coming in to do her backyard, they had a lot of sexual attention.

And I was just like, oh, what they've done is they're, they're essentially putting in an Aiden who's actually available.

Because didn't you feel he gave Aiden?

Of course.

But I mean, L-O-L at that hair and then the just the belt being loose off of a loop.

Like, I'm like, okay, this is so telegraphed.

I love it.

Yeah, he's Aiden.

Aiden has come in, and suddenly there's an Aiden there that can be available to her.

And I'm, I'm hoping she jumps his bones quick.

Like, right quick.

I just, I need Carrie to be

doing more sex in the city.

That's what that's what I want from it.

That's what, that's what we all want.

And you know what?

I love the

Miranda plot line of she fucks the virgin nun.

I was like, yes, this feels like that.

This feels like it.

Okay.

Any feelings, thoughts, things you want to say about the Wicked for Good trailer?

She hit the web hard.

Yes.

I want to say that

The Wicked Trailer is but a glimpse.

I mean, what can I say?

I can't reveal that.

I love rule of culture number 90.

The trailer

is but a

glimpse.

That's all we can say about that.

I want to say that Alphabet's hair literally coming down is a sleigh to me.

I think that I'm so I'm looking for a big piece of art to put over my new couch.

And I think that Alphaba with her hair down, I think I would like a, let's say, 80 by 30.

Oh my God, that's a

huge piece of statement art for my living room, which is Alphaba with her hair down, having just like fucked it up.

I need that.

80 inches is almost, I would say, seven feet.

Oh, it's so big.

Seven feet.

So right now I'm like, I'm like, I hired an interior designer and I fucking love her.

I'm so excited.

And we're talking about like, so you have to make a big decision once you put in your couch it's like when you think about what's going to go above it is it like a lot of different things is it shelving is it asymmetry or is it one big art i think you want one big art i think very

i want one big art and i'm joking that it's alphaba but am i Can you imagine if I got if I if trade came over here and they're like, hey, so excited we finally connected.

Yeah, that was really good meal and drinks as well.

I really enjoyed the film we saw and when we ice skated on our date, excited to go into your apartment.

Opens the door, comes in, dick a little hard, sees Alphaba on the wall.

What's the craziest decor

you've seen trade have when they've hosted?

This is a good question.

I have an answer so immediate.

What is what if Bo and Yang, what is the craziest decor you've seen trade display?

Sweet older gentleman in Midtown.

Um, I walk in, and

there's no inch of wall in this apartment that was not covered in like a plastic,

I should say, like a little tiny sculptural Disney.

Oh, God, it's so rough.

In a way, in a way, because, and by the way, I am not unreceptive to that.

No, but it was,

you love us.

It was a maximalism to a degree that I was like, this is,

this is a lot.

And he was like, I know it's a lot.

I was like, it's a lot.

You weren't ready for it, much less horny for it.

Oh, wow.

So you actually were okay.

I looked past it.

But on the way out, I was like, God damn, that's a giant maleficent.

You know, like it was, it was, it was that kind of thing.

I was like, this is

Ryan Murphy's grotesquery.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess I have two.

One,

none as specific as that, but one, I went over to a guy's apartment to hook up and I was, he had so much art hung up and it was kind of beautiful.

But everything I asked about, he's like, oh, what's this?

he told me that his ex-boyfriend had hung it up shut up he's like oh yeah my ex-boyfriend hung that up you can leave that out oh yeah my ex-boyfriend put that on that wall oh yeah this this is a picture that my ex-boyfriend framed i was just like what what about the contents of the picture

it was always secondary so that and then one time i took it doggy from someone in a room that was a hoarder's room.

It was, I just, it's like when you, you meet someone and they're incredibly put together and you're like, well, there's no way that it's going to be two feet of clothes on the ground that we have to climb over.

If you're even thinking about having someone come over, there has to be a path to the bed.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like, if there's no path to the bed,

there's no path forward.

That's actually real question number 40.

If there's no path to the bed,

there is no path forward forward.

Some of these girls, the bedding is barely on.

Like the, just, just the sheets sheets are just like you know you don't have to have a full bedding set but sometimes the mattress protector is like halfway off and i go oh well we should figure this out also yes and what do you feel about pageantry with a towel on the bed no no i'm kind of like i

can we not like i don't i don't want to fuck on a towel No,

although I did have the algorithm work its work on me once and I bought one of those like

those like come throws like anal sex throw like a come throw I've used it once but it does kind of break it where I'm like hold on hold on and I got to like fish it out of the closet and put it out uh-huh uh-huh and it's a nice feeling and it's not a towel for God's sake no I mean one time I'm getting fucked by a guy and trust me like I've taken care of this.

Oh yeah, I'm in the anal sex game now almost, you know, 15 years.

We're good at this.

So I'm thinking like around 27, 28, you kind of, you kind of learn like, okay, I'm not the age where I can just like hop on dicks anymore.

So, you know, it's, it's not always a perfect science, but now I'm at the point where like, if I'm going to be bottoming, like, don't worry about it.

I've figured it out.

And if there, if something goes down, like, it's not crazy, like we're all adults here, whatever.

So I was, you know, recently, not recently, about a year ago, like a guy was like,

can I fuck you?

And I was like, yes.

And then he's like, we should get a towel.

I'm like, it's really okay.

And he was like,

let's get a towel.

At my house.

At my house.

That's like,

no, I'm like, what about looking at me in my beautiful eyes?

Says I'm in a shit everywhere.

I don't think I was giving that.

And I don't think I give that.

I'm one of those gay guys that's like, I don't fart.

Ask Jared.

I don't fart.

You don't fart.

Dated me a year.

I'm one of those, I don't fart gays.

Like, I don't like it.

Because anytime I fart, you really get scandalized.

I have

what I would describe as a full body response, but your farts sound like an angry Egyptian king.

Yeah,

they're pretty bad.

I should get that shot.

Yours are the loudest sounds

on the scale of sound, and mine are silent, but

I can't believe I was saying this, but they're bad.

So you do fart.

No,

that was just for you.

I really don't fart.

The only reason I have a butthole is for sex.

Promise.

Promise.

Entrance only.

Anyways, but I was so like, I was like, shut up.

Like, I'm telling you, it's fine.

No, that's, that's disgusting.

No, get out.

You're not fucking me.

And now I'm like, okay, let me get up and get it.

Like, I'm like, I'm telling you, it's fine.

Also, if we're in my house and I say it's fine, it's fine.

Totally.

Oh, I don't like that.

Hey, everyone.

We know many of you probably have a watch list with all the streaming shows you want to see.

Well, if you haven't seen Platonic on Apple TV Plus, you need to add it to yours now.

It's hilarious.

Seth Rogan and Rose Byrne play a pair of platonic besties like Matt and I, who are as likely to cause trouble for each other as they are to support each other.

If you have seen it, you already know that.

But you might not know that season two of Platonic is out now.

This season, Rogan and Byrne deal with uncomfortably hilarious midlife hurdles, including new business ventures, weddings, and partners in crises.

And as best friends do, they try to help each other, but sometimes just make things worse.

These two are just so funny together.

I love them.

Luke McFarlane and Carla Gallo are so back this season alongside new guest starts, including some seriously funny SNL alums, Adie Bryant, Kyle Mooney, and Beck Bennett, and the fabulous Milo Mannheim.

If you haven't seen season one, catch up immediately.

And if you have, second season of Platonic is now streaming on Apple TV Plus.

Don't miss it.

We're here to tell you about Searchlight Pictures' new film, The Roses.

Perfect couple, Ivy, played by Olivia Coleman, and Theo Rose, played by Bennett DeCumberbatch, have it all.

Successful careers, a loving marriage, great kids.

But when Theo's career comes crashing down, just as Ivy's fame starts to skyrocket, a tinderbox of fierce competition and growing resentment ignites, threatening to destroy everything they've built if they don't destroy each other first.

All's fair when love is war.

For anyone who's ever been in a relationship, The Roses is a crowd-pleasing comedy.

Starring Benedict Cumberbatch, Olivia Coleman, Andy Samberg, Allison Jani, Belinda Bromalo, Sunita Mani, Shu Tigatwa, Jamie Dimitrio, Zoe Chow, and Kate McKimmon.

From the director of Meet the Parents, Jay Roach, and the writer of Four Things, Tony McNamara.

Comedy seems to be the genre of the moment.

It's easy to see why everyone could use a good laugh.

In theaters everywhere, August 29th, get tickets now.

You know, summer is winding down, Bo, and that's a bittersweet feeling.

But there is something that's kind of nice about getting back into a routine and gearing up for fall.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, it's time to get consistent about having people over, you know, lounging around.

And here's the thing: you can't lounge on just anything.

You have to lounge on some beautiful, gorgeous furniture.

Stuff you can get, like, you know, at Wayfair.

Oh, I love getting stuff at Wayfair.

Whether it's refreshing my workspace with desks and bookcases and office chairs for way less or stuff for my weeknight dinner parties with quality cookware, Wayfair is the place to go.

You know, there's so many questions to ask when you get on the website.

Like, what is my decor style?

You know, and Matt, aren't you decorating your new apartment?

I am.

Yes, I'm having a wonderful time.

And I feel like Wayfair is the top place for that.

Top.

There's something for every style in every home, no matter your space or budget.

And Wayfair makes it easy to tackle your home goals with endless inspiration for every space and budget.

Get organized, refreshed, and back to routine for way less.

Way less.

Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home.

That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com.

Wayfair.

Every style.

Every home.

Summer break is always a fun time of year for kids, but during this time off school, many can lose reading proficiency and struggle with their mental well-being too.

That's why Macy's is partnering with Reading is Fundamental and NAMI in their mission to keep kids reading over the summer and to help young adults find the mental health resources they need.

When you shop at Macy's, you can donate at checkout in-store or online.

It's super easy.

How awesome is that, man?

Pretty awesome.

Macy's believes it's crucial to support nonprofits dedicated to helping kids prepare for their best school year ever.

Join Macy's in support of Reading is Fundamental.

or Riff and NAMI now through September 14th.

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And just like that, we've arrived at I Don't Think So, Honey.

It's time.

Yeah.

This is our segment where we take one minute to

really

take the piss out of something in culture.

And I have something.

Do you have something?

I do have something.

Okay, this is great.

This is Matt Rodgers' I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.

I don't think so, honey, that the actress Jen Lyon is not a household name.

So I watched the English teacher again and so enjoyed it.

And she does the best guest acting in a comedy performance I have ever seen.

Literally start the conversation right now.

That needs to be an Emmy nomination for Jen Lyon in English teacher.

This performance is funny.

It was layered.

It was everything.

And I was like, where have I seen her before?

The answer

everywhere.

She was on the show Claws, which was an underrated show with Nisi Nash.

It was a Nici Nash vehicle that also had a really great performance from Karuchi Tran, by the way.

Like this show was gold.

And then you peel back the layers and you realize Jen Lion slays it in so many things.

This is one of the funniest, most like complex, like

depth-giving actresses that's out there.

And I need her to be known and I need her to be cast in all things.

I don't think so, honey, that she's not.

And that's one minute.

Thank you.

But also, she is.

But also, she is.

So it's like, it's, yeah, she, she's, this is what we call, you know, a rising star.

I was lucky enough to serve on the jury of the Gotham TV Awards, and I did supporting performance in a comedy series.

And that was one of the reasons why I was re-watching English Teacher because Sean Patton was nominated.

He's excellent.

We ultimately gave the award to Purna Jagannathan from Deli Boys, a show that Sudi wrote for and she's also great on, but I feel like people aren't talking about.

And it's a really great show.

So basically, I come here to say, watch those shows that you've been meaning to watch that people have been telling you about because they've got stuff like this Gen Lion performance, which just affected me in such a way.

And I was laughing.

I laugh out loud at that show.

Like the kids in it are,

it's the best like kid acting I've seen in a really long time.

Oh, that's so fun.

No, just to have like authentic teens like saying these lines that are really real well-written comedy, but the way they say it is so dropped in.

Like it feels real.

It doesn't feel like kids are acting, which is so hard.

I know.

I know.

Shout out if a lot of a lot of plays we were pointing out at the Tony's

and shows taking place at schools in the classroom.

Shout out to anyone who runs a production or does

has to corral children of any kind.

You deserve a billion dollars.

Okay.

When are you seeing John Proctor as the villain?

I cannot wait.

I'm seeing it on

the

14th, right before we go to France.

I can't wait for you to see it and talk to you about it.

And I'm so excited.

Okay.

So,

Bo and Yang, you had, and I Don't Think So Honey to do.

And I'm excited about that to hear it.

Great.

This is Boen Yang's.

I don't think So Honey is Time Starts Now.

I don't think So Honey having a matinee on Tony Sunday.

I think

making these poor people, some of them love to do it and shout out, but I say you give them a day to pamper themselves up to really, you know, get the micro current machine going on the face or get the little wax that they might have not had time during the rest of the week when they have seven other shows, maybe six other shows, let's say.

Fine, they don't have a Sunday night show.

I just think these people deserve a day off, a middle-dated day off on Tony Sunday.

And then I was thinking, you know what?

I was thinking last night, my girl Audra changes into the Mama Rose, get up, then has to, we know Broadway loves a quick change, these actors love a quick change, then has to quick change back into her gorgeous gown.

I say, take the stress out.

I used to love a quick change, but now I go, don't touch, let me just sit.

Cause you want to just, these people deserve to sit i know that they're working with a lot of you know inertia and momentum and they have to keep moving but just i give them a moment to just be still and that's one minute i couldn't believe that that was the second time audra had done that that day in that day

giving 110 like you were saying i

was

so shook by the end of that performance one of our best now i think if you haven't seen it you if you listen back to when i first saw it which was in previews you kind of get what I mean when I say, we're going to go on Wednesday, by the way.

We're taking Sudie.

I can't wait.

I'm so excited for you to see it.

It's great.

But you get what I mean when I say that I believe that this angle on Rose was talking more about her as someone who was like mentally ill.

Like you're not frightened of Rose

in Rose's turn.

You're frightened for her.

Yes.

And by the end, I was like, I was like, Yeah, I felt her anguish in a way where I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, like in such a crazy way.

And also, she does eight shows a week.

She doesn't have an understudy go on, not one day.

And a lot of the other people can't say that.

She does eight.

She does eight.

That is Audra Mick Dawn.

Fucking legend.

Fucking legend.

Fucking legend for all time.

And I thought just the right amount of addressing it at the show last night with Oprah saying, a lot of people talking.

Yeah.

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