“How The Salad Gets Tossed” (w/ Matt + Bowen)

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Speaker 70 Look, man.

Speaker 71 Oh, I see. My IOI.

Speaker 12 Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes, goodness.

Speaker 72 Wow.

Speaker 36 Las Cultoristas.

Speaker 70 Dingeristas calling.

Speaker 73 They've had a full day of the two of them.

Speaker 75 I want you to know how hard we are at work on the culture awards.

Speaker 71 We are

Speaker 79 busting our ass.

Speaker 70 Holes.

Speaker 80 Holes.

Speaker 81 I am a crater down there because of culture awards in the best way.

Speaker 85 You know, I have been so

Speaker 86 I'm just going to get into it.

Speaker 87 Cause

Speaker 87 one of the things we're talking about.

Speaker 70 We're going to talk about sex.

Speaker 88 I was going to say, I've been so horny.

Speaker 78 Great.

Speaker 87 Have you? No.

Speaker 90 I actually need to talk to my therapist about this moment because

Speaker 91 I get horny through travel

Speaker 92 and then

Speaker 93 I

Speaker 94 realize that the wires are all a little bit messed up.

Speaker 79 So full disclosure, when I was in London, I was just like, you know what?

Speaker 96 Back in the day, I would frequent a bathhouse every now and then.

Speaker 98 So I went to the sweatbox, which is, and then immediately, once I got to the showers downstairs, got recognized by some lovely DC gay.

Speaker 100 Yeah, I can't do it.

Speaker 101 And I was like, got to go.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 87 That's tough.

Speaker 102 Joel, I think Joel Kimbooster had a joke about being too famous for an orgy.

Speaker 81 Right.

Speaker 104 Oh, I love it.

Speaker 105 And that was always like, oh, Joel.

Speaker 71 Oh, Joel.

Speaker 107 Could possibly relate to him.

Speaker 70 His sister-ades.

Speaker 109 But now I do.

Speaker 70 Finally.

Speaker 74 I mean,

Speaker 70 it's a good thing, I guess.

Speaker 110 It means careers are going great.

Speaker 112 You know what's funny to me?

Speaker 114 Like, when I physically get tired, I actually am a lot hornier.

Speaker 117 I don't know what that is.

Speaker 35 I remember back in the day when I would like jam this schedule with like morning activities.

Speaker 119 I would just get home and I would be physically very horny.

Speaker 123 But that's hard to reconcile reconcile with being actually like totally sapped by the day.

Speaker 39 But because your body is like, oh, I want to like engage in the act, but you're like emotionally like, but I can't like call someone over because that's a huge part of hooking up is actually getting someone over.

Speaker 94 Is the movements

Speaker 126 is like the literal movements of bodies.

Speaker 101 Good luck, AI, with that.

Speaker 128 I say.

Speaker 39 Yeah, that's one thing they can't take.

Speaker 130 Well, I guess they could.

Speaker 81 I don't know.

Speaker 132 A fucking a robot to me will never have the same just in the, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just taking it all the way to like the fullest potential of this apparent technology.

Speaker 134 Like

Speaker 104 a hole is a hole, but I also feel like there's just something about it being a human connection to me at least.

Speaker 133 That at least like I'm still there with sex where I'm like, it cannot be disconnected from, even though I just said I went to a bathhouse, but even then, I like it meeting.

Speaker 70 Well, you hope to make a friend.

Speaker 136 I hope to make a friend.

Speaker 79 Well, it's got to be a per if there's a robot in the bathhouse, I go, well, good luck you're gonna fritz out in about two seconds with the steam in this place yeah this isn't gonna go well for you sister i say

Speaker 79 remember when joaqueen phoenix noted with scarlet johanson though in the film her the seminal film her but her voice was so good in that i'm just saying scarlet's voice well it's a it was scarlet's sexual

Speaker 109 timbre.

Speaker 70 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 94 I just want to say I love Scarlett's vocal journey through her career.

Speaker 79 Like if you go back and watch Ghostworld and lost some translation, it's like it is at a different octave.

Speaker 99 And I do love that it's sort of developed this like depth over the years.

Speaker 143 We have to have her on to ask about her vocal journey.

Speaker 70 Yes, I think she's.

Speaker 73 And the title of that for the Scarlet Johansson episode, Whenever It Happens, is already Vocal Journey.

Speaker 131 Vocal Journey.

Speaker 127 But I just want to say, to your point about the energy, like, I am always, I'm going to say, horny in theory.

Speaker 100 And then it's, it gets to that point in the conversation where, let's say you're on a nap, on a hookup app, when discussion opens up about movements about who should go to whom, yep, that's when I'm like, oh, actually, to call back to our Cola Skoll episode, more on Cole in a minute, we go, emergency with my closest friends.

Speaker 116 I just realized I'm having an emergency with my closest friends.

Speaker 135 But that's a date.

Speaker 97 That was a date. That was different.

Speaker 111 That's a date thing.

Speaker 102 But I mean, it could be a sex thing.

Speaker 87 For sure.

Speaker 119 But there's some times when, like, yeah, it just all falls apart when even the second of reality is introduced.

Speaker 155 And they're like, why is AI taking over? Oh my God.

Speaker 151 Oh my God.

Speaker 146 You know, to speak about Cole, here's the thing about Cole.

Speaker 102 Cole is coal is a Tony Award winner.

Speaker 111 Most deserving award of all time.

Speaker 145 I mean, and you know what was so great about it was I obviously, you know, saw them hit the red carpet looking stunning.

Speaker 121 And just

Speaker 158 there was something about seeing them on the carpet.

Speaker 13 And I just had to sit back and I really got emotional because it actually reminded me about the entire reason why I love Cole in the first place, why they've always been one of my heroes since when we started comedy was because they remind you that there aren't actually fucking rules.

Speaker 87 Uh-huh.

Speaker 78 Uh-huh.

Speaker 56 It's like there is no.

Speaker 167 fucking rule as to what you're supposed to wear, what you're supposed to create, how you're supposed to do the decorum of the award show.

Speaker 155 It actually re-inspired me for the culture awards.

Speaker 157 I was like, right, exactly.

Speaker 15 If they ever had a big fucking idea, they went for it.

Speaker 161 I'm sure there are always checkpoints like there are for everyone about like, ooh, is this weird?

Speaker 121 Is this too much?

Speaker 39 Are people going to get this?

Speaker 171 But screaming the word yes to your big idea and what your instinct is is what reminded me.

Speaker 172 the other night like why i love coal and why coal is so special and important and i'm so fucking proud of them it couldn't happen to a better person.

Speaker 142 I think it is amazing to think about Cole Skola beating George Cloody.

Speaker 106 It was a wonderful little

Speaker 102 box moment at the award shows.

Speaker 107 We love George.

Speaker 139 Love George.

Speaker 4 At the Oscars for Theater.

Speaker 73 The Oscars for Theater, that's the Tony Awards.

Speaker 102 I mean, it's Rilla Culture number 50.

Speaker 130 The Oscars for Theater, that's the Tony Awards.

Speaker 147 But just to place last night's Tony's as another sort of coordinate in the plane of award shows, that was a fantastic program top to bottom.

Speaker 70 So fucking good.

Speaker 137 And it flew by to me.

Speaker 81 I was like, oh, it's already 11. Okay.

Speaker 175 I mean, someone said earlier, like, the Tony's are the best award show.

Speaker 102 And I was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 118 And I'm thinking of it like, oh, I'm glad they're excited.

Speaker 166 And then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually, it is the best award show because it's literally built around.

Speaker 102 incredible live performance and people that are incredibly capable on screen of executing this stuff reliably day in and day out.

Speaker 70 So just to know that just around the corner was another sleigh sleigh of a performance was, you know, and to have Cynthia threading the whole thing so poised, elegant, talented.

Speaker 123 The standard of excellence is already so high for her.

Speaker 170 And she manages to rise above it and raise the bar again and again and again.

Speaker 75 The humor felt like totally in the pocket, just

Speaker 111 really good.

Speaker 128 10 out of 10, I think, for Cynthia.

Speaker 104 I think for the whole show.

Speaker 98 God, that immemorium was a fucking punch to the gut.

Speaker 109 Yeah.

Speaker 70 And

Speaker 126 everything.

Speaker 180 Cynthia getting two applause breaks on her jokes while she was in the mezzanine.

Speaker 104 I think both about Jonathan Groff's spit.

Speaker 94 Like, that is, that's delivery, capital D delivery.

Speaker 68 Yeah. She was excellent.

Speaker 157 And also the way to open a show is always debated.

Speaker 106 Like we're even debating it right now.

Speaker 62 And you have to be so excellent to open a show like that with an original song because you have to make sure that not only is the person like incredibly good at, you know, executing live television, but it's a song no one's heard.

Speaker 161 And to get that across, just the way that she communicates as a singer, there's so many things to say about how brilliant she is as a vocalist.

Speaker 59 But what I was struck by was she's communicating like a new story and a new idea to an audience.

Speaker 70 And at the end, we were watching at our friend's house. We were like applauding.

Speaker 51 We were like, yes, this song that we will remember.

Speaker 90 It was truly, truly fantastic. I'm just going to say something.

Speaker 98 Even the Pure Pure Leaf stuff, I was like, I love it.

Speaker 104 Go off Pure Leaf.

Speaker 90 If any company is going to like own a lot of real estate at the Tony's, the fact that it's an iced tea company, I go, why not?

Speaker 137 There really could be worse things.

Speaker 140 Oh, absolutely.

Speaker 70 And there are.

Speaker 162 There's so many worse things

Speaker 77 than Pure Leaf iced tea, having a lot of real estate on the Tony Awards.

Speaker 109 For example,

Speaker 108 famine.

Speaker 168 So much worse.

Speaker 154 So much worse. So much worse.

Speaker 161 Even put them in the same conversation. You're joking.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 You must be kidding.

Speaker 96 Oh, I guess the only real note that we have, but this is just in terms of like, this is something that like they couldn't have possibly forecast in terms of vibes.

Speaker 98 But playing and playing everybody off, I think could have just been traditional.

Speaker 90 I appreciate what they were trying to do, build it into like Cynthia's monologue, but I think just a standard little orchestral, even a track, could have been just fine. But I think it was just a...

Speaker 46 a miss a mismanagement of like what that would be like and like the vibe of the room which you can never know until the day of Especially in a time like now, where there is a lot of urgency in terms of what people might say in these speeches, and people might want to like leave an end on something really poignant to build into the show that you're actually going to cut people off, even with a joke, is kind of not really the move.

Speaker 145 And I haven't seen it work in recent award shows, so I'm surprised they tried it here.

Speaker 143 Finally, we have an end to the debate of who's winning best actress in a musical.

Speaker 157 It was Nicole.

Speaker 146 I applaud this.

Speaker 77 I mean, I think both of their performances, I thought Nicole and Audrey's Audrey's performances were the highlights of the evening.

Speaker 162 And I think you saw plain as day why they were the ones that were being talked about the whole time.

Speaker 73 I would have loved to have seen Boop, a performance from Boop, because Boop is a lot of fun.

Speaker 119 And Jasmine Amy Rogers, had she won,

Speaker 118 it would have been totally justified.

Speaker 190 The girl is so fucking talented and so good in this show.

Speaker 117 But Nicole's as if we never said goodbye was truly the performance of her career.

Speaker 176 I mean, and she's performed live on television so many times in so many memorable ways in a variety of ways.

Speaker 115 But that

Speaker 144 you could tell her entire career had led up to that moment.

Speaker 123 And I'm so happy she did that song because she's like, no, I'm going to do the song from this show.

Speaker 35 I'm going to give it.

Speaker 117 And similarly to Audra, I had been really wondering which number from Gypsy they were going to do.

Speaker 154 I was nervous that they were going to do something like some people and missed the opportunity to really show what Audrey McDonald is made of.

Speaker 163 And when they pulled it up the curtain and it was Rose's turn, I was like, oh, here we go.

Speaker 146 And I mean, she did not disappoint. She gave

Speaker 121 all of herself plus half.

Speaker 176 I mean, it was sick.

Speaker 179 Yeah.

Speaker 79 I mean, so many things about, we're recording this on Monday, so many things about last night.

Speaker 108 felt historic. I don't know.

Speaker 4 It was just like, oh my God, or it was just like different threads of history being braided together where it was like, you have someone like Audra, you have someone like Nicole, who

Speaker 96 feels like a vet, but kind of is still just kind of making her mark on theater.

Speaker 127 I feel like

Speaker 82 even like Michael Arden winning, it's like, oh, this is you're rewarding someone who has put years and years and years into like executing his vision on Broadway so many times.

Speaker 108 It just was a cool night. I loved it.

Speaker 88 He's so brilliant, Michael Arden.

Speaker 162 Like I saw Maybe Happy Ending and congrats to Darren Chris on his super well-deserved award as well. Like

Speaker 87 the fact that he did parade and maybe happy ending like two years in a row is like, okay, that guy can do anything.

Speaker 171 And that's while saying I would have been just as excited for Jamie Lloyd to win for Sunset Boulevard, a show that like blew me away.

Speaker 155 And so happy that one for Best Revival.

Speaker 178 Yeah, just like so much excellence going on.

Speaker 110 And I read a statistic that you can never really take highest grossing to mean anything nowadays because all the prices are so much higher.

Speaker 102 Like, so it's kind of like to say that something was the highest grossing year on record doesn't really mean anything anymore because everything is so, you know, prohibitively expensive.

Speaker 35 But I also read that it was the best attended Broadway season in a long time.

Speaker 87 So it means that there were the most butts and seats.

Speaker 124 And it does feel like there's a renewed energy around it.

Speaker 112 And it's been a really good, solid few years for Broadway, which is obviously a good thing.

Speaker 131 And it means that we're coming to ruin it.

Speaker 102 And we're coming to Broadway to ruin it.

Speaker 87 The second you think it's going to be good, we're coming.

Speaker 87 We're coming. We're hitting the stage.

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Speaker 15 You know what we were talking about last night?

Speaker 140 Did you remember this?

Speaker 105 After Nicole's performance, I was like, people forget the number of times she has been iconic.

Speaker 100 You need to educate everybody on this because this is something I was never familiar with, but I need to know now.

Speaker 59 Do you guys remember that Nicole Scherzinger?

Speaker 183 So for years, she's had to be a chameleon because she started out as a reality show contestant on Popstar.

Speaker 124 She got in the group, Eden's Crush.

Speaker 284 Over yourself, goodbye.

Speaker 116 That song.

Speaker 57 They had like that one hit.

Speaker 9 There was like a period of downtime. She was in the Pussycat Dolls.

Speaker 118 And I remembered her from Eden's Crush even then.

Speaker 124 She's obviously a huge success as the member of the Pussycat Dolls.

Speaker 118 Then that ends.

Speaker 56 She tries her solo career.

Speaker 182 It goes iffy in everywhere but the UK where she becomes like a thing.

Speaker 88 So she's a judge on UK X Factor.

Speaker 39 in such a significant way and Simon likes her so much that they tried to do US X Factor and she's a a judge on that with Paul Abdul, L.A.

Speaker 143 Reed, and Simon Cowell.

Speaker 62 And there's a moment.

Speaker 180 This is pre-Britney, right?

Speaker 5 This is pre-Britney.

Speaker 80 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 124 This was the first season of US X Factor.

Speaker 89 And it was Nicole.

Speaker 97 Okay, keep going.

Speaker 166 It was Nicole Schrözinger was a judge.

Speaker 51 And she,

Speaker 39 there was a thing at the end of U.S.

Speaker 103 X Factor where the bottom two vote getters, it wasn't revealed who got the lowest votes, but they would have to have like a sing-off.

Speaker 39 And then the judges would decide based on the sing-off who was going through the round and i remember it's this it was at the time she was 10 her name was rachel crow her name is rachel crow

Speaker 140 and

Speaker 137 she sang i'd rather go blind by edda james a 10 year old and she gave it she sang it like a 50 year old woman and she gave her entire life and then the other guy sings whatever his name i believe was marcus And then they go to Nicole Scherzinger and she's supposed to make this decision between the two of them.

Speaker 121 This 10-year-old girl who had just given everything

Speaker 106 to this song, and Nicole can't do it.

Speaker 162 She's like, I can't, I have to put it to the public vote.

Speaker 56 And they put it to the public vote, and the 10-year-old girl loses.

Speaker 11 Her eyes widen in shock.

Speaker 140 She hits the ground and is screaming at her mother.

Speaker 102 You promised me.

Speaker 131 Oh, no.

Speaker 55 And it cuts back to the judge's table.

Speaker 140 And Nicole Schrzinger is in hysterics, sobbing in Paula Abdul's arms while Simon Cowell looks on and he realizes that the U.S.

Speaker 158 X Factor has failed.

Speaker 86 They cut to the commercial and it's a Pepsi logo.

Speaker 146 And the show ends.

Speaker 106 And the word Pepsi couldn't have been bigger.

Speaker 5 I said, this was the most that was her last iconic movement.

Speaker 268 Then I guess she, you know, did Mass Singer and then she did lots of things on the UK, West End, et cetera.

Speaker 39 But I'll never forget that moment in her career because in last night sitting there, I'm just thinking about the totality of Nicole Scherzinger.

Speaker 102 And it is so many things, but that is a top five Nicole Scherzinger moment for me, a person who has a top five Nicole Scherzinger moments list.

Speaker 70 Yes.

Speaker 289 Now,

Speaker 290 Simon Cowell, they cut to him.

Speaker 96 He realized he has a gaze that implies that he understands that you're over.

Speaker 189 But then they would come back the next season with Britney.

Speaker 102 And Fifth Harmony was created.

Speaker 97 I think, was that the last season of X Factor?

Speaker 178 I think it only had two seasons.

Speaker 56 Maybe it had three. I'm actually unclear.

Speaker 108 Because Demi Lovato was on that too.

Speaker 121 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 155 Okay, so this is is what it was.

Speaker 124 Because it's the second season of S Factor had Demi Lovato and Britney Spears both.

Speaker 108 And LA Reid, yeah.

Speaker 193 Yes.

Speaker 57 And that's when Fifth Harmony was created because there was a moment where Demi Lovato says, only one of you is giving.

Speaker 88 And Chloe Kardashian, who was added as a host, this is a fucking Mad Lib, goes to Demi Lovato, wait, who did you think was the one that was giving?

Speaker 118 And Demi Lovato just sits there and points to Camila Cabello and says, her.

Speaker 12 Wow.

Speaker 71 You. Wow.

Speaker 73 Wow. And the rest of the girls in Fifth Harmony sort of look at Camila who's like,

Speaker 89 we haven't really responded to, I have not really looked into the details, but thoughts on the reunion besides Sans Camila?

Speaker 51 I mean, I get why they're doing it.

Speaker 78 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Speaker 186 The normality of it all continues to completely blow my mind.

Speaker 77 I do not know how that didn't work out as a solo thing.

Speaker 179 I know.

Speaker 90 It's interesting, huh? It's like, in a way, what was her name, Susan Crowe?

Speaker 70 Rachel Crowe.

Speaker 95 Rachel Crowe.

Speaker 90 First of all, so many things.

Speaker 148 I think of Gypsy when she screams at her mother, you promised.

Speaker 78 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 90 I, but I also think of this, this idea that, like, this is why like Cole winning a Tony is so incredible.

Speaker 108 It's like, nothing is, nothing is promised, especially in show business.

Speaker 96 But just in terms of the Normani, I'm connecting all these dots very haphazardly, but in terms of Normani and the Fifth Harmony reunion, it's like, and like why that did not take off the way that we we all hoped it would and wanted it to in some ways is that hard work can only get you so far.

Speaker 25 You know what I mean?

Speaker 164 But the thing is, like, I think she did work her fucking ass off.

Speaker 86 I just think she didn't like her thing that succeeded.

Speaker 12 Right, right.

Speaker 198 Because what I had heard was.

Speaker 117 Motivation popped off and everyone was like, oh my God, Normani is here.

Speaker 176 Like it is about Normani now.

Speaker 165 And she thought it was too pop or she didn't think it was R ⁇ B enough.

Speaker 9 It wasn't the type of of artist that she wanted to be.

Speaker 293 She didn't even like the video.

Speaker 190 All the really, you know, successful elements of that were her being like, well, I don't want to be well known for these things.

Speaker 20 Like, I don't like what this is.

Speaker 88 So I guess you kind of have to respect someone who's like, look, I understand

Speaker 56 that this is going to be the thing, but

Speaker 88 yeah, like, I was just, this is the most random pull ever.

Speaker 171 And it's one of the gayest transitions of all time.

Speaker 285 I was watching an interview with Brenda Song.

Speaker 70 Oh,

Speaker 127 love.

Speaker 102 And she was saying years ago, like, apparently she booked like the lead of this huge film franchise, but at the same time, got offered the like two-scene role she had in social network.

Speaker 154 And she was like, I want to work with David Fincher.

Speaker 102 even though this is a small part. I'm not taking the lead of this franchise.

Speaker 287 That I guess her agents had busted their ass to get her.

Speaker 102 And then as a result of her making that decision, they dropped her.

Speaker 102 But now she's a part of the social network, which is one of the most relevant films in pop culture at that time.

Speaker 57 And, you know, probably in the last

Speaker 75 couple of decades.

Speaker 124 So who's to say she didn't make the best decision holistically? Also, she made the decision that she was going to stand by.

Speaker 194 So with the normani of it all, it's like, yeah, I mean, she had a huge hit and something that looked to everyone else like it made sense.

Speaker 56 But if it didn't make sense to her, then maybe that's the question.

Speaker 102 That's the answer to the question of like, what happened there?

Speaker 124 It's just she didn't want to be that.

Speaker 81 Yeah. These are, these are, these are vital questions for anyone to ask themselves, including us.

Speaker 161 Yeah.

Speaker 129 Like, do we, I mean, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 88 I mean, it can actually, maybe I'll speak to something.

Speaker 39 So it's, it's funny because did you see last week?

Speaker 102 I don't even know if I should be going here, but I'm going to go here.

Speaker 70 Go.

Speaker 110 Like last week,

Speaker 57 Andy had on Hoda on Watch What Happens Live.

Speaker 189 And he was, he threw your name out there.

Speaker 175 He threw my name out there to take over for Jenna.

Speaker 73 I mean, not for Jenna, to take over

Speaker 110 with Jenna. Yeah.

Speaker 88 And Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers is great.

Speaker 56 And all of a sudden, I was, I was sitting there watching it.

Speaker 87 And I was just like, oh my God, they're talking about me for this job. Yeah.

Speaker 119 And I thought that it was like, it was really interesting because I was like, oh, I thought everyone was just being nice by saying, oh, you should do this permanently.

Speaker 124 You should do, because they say that on, like, if you go to like the Today Show Instagram, it's like every time there's a guest job, there's a, there's a guest show.

Speaker 56 It's like, they should be permanent.

Speaker 121 They should be permanent.

Speaker 70 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 124 I thought that was just like a silly thing that people were saying to be nice to me.

Speaker 146 And I did think it went well.

Speaker 287 But then when they were talking about it up there, I was like, oh, that's so interesting to have people talk about something that you should be doing or you're right for or like, you know, that.

Speaker 140 No one's even asking me if I would want to do it.

Speaker 70 Totally.

Speaker 148 On the one hand, it's like a compliment. On the other hand, it is this like.

Speaker 90 total compliment but on the other hand it's this kind of like quote unquote fan casting that like could make you feel a certain way you know what i mean and it's like it's not it's like not up it's not in your control or it's not even up to you like what the outcome is or like what the conversation what the tone of the conversation is does that make sense yes well it's i think you probably experience well i know you experience it and we do not have to get into it and we won't but i feel like snl is also one of the only jobs in entertainment where a lot of people can weigh in about like who's staying, who's going, who's getting hired, who's getting fired, why are they leaving?

Speaker 112 And it's really interesting, I think, for that to be an element of like what you do as a job.

Speaker 106 You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 178 It's kind of interesting.

Speaker 191 It's, I'm not saying it's good or bad.

Speaker 196 And I've participated in speculation like that.

Speaker 124 Obviously, like we have this podcast, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 86 Then suddenly when it's something that's knocking on your door, you're like, oh, wow.

Speaker 78 Like, it's just interesting.

Speaker 70 It's a new feeling. Yes.

Speaker 98 How do you feel in that feeling?

Speaker 108 Wow.

Speaker 158 Did you see that text we just got?

Speaker 96 Yeah, we got a fun text.

Speaker 70 We got a culture award.

Speaker 70 Someone just confirmed for the culture awards and it's going to be a lot of fun.

Speaker 81 Someone we don't really know that well. I know, but I'm excited.

Speaker 284 There's lots of exciting things happening.

Speaker 98 We are really, really, really committed to making this a fun show.

Speaker 149 And the artist presale went on very quickly.

Speaker 101 We're so grateful.

Speaker 133 We're sorry if it was frustrating for anybody in terms of procuring them, but the sort of end goal of all of this is that this can be shared with everyone.

Speaker 80 We've said this in the past, but I think it bears repeating that it's going to be great.

Speaker 79 Everyone's going to be pleased.

Speaker 119 We hope. It's going to be the most fun.

Speaker 158 Thank you for selling it the fuck out yet again.

Speaker 170 Like you guys do.

Speaker 144 You guys are the best. It'll be the best one yet, for sure.

Speaker 118 You know what?

Speaker 102 I finally got to watch all of, which we were in, but I didn't get to actually consume as a whole was overcompensating.

Speaker 87 Overcompensating.

Speaker 70 Have you watched?

Speaker 99 I am up to our episode.

Speaker 111 Yeah. It's funny because the one thing I had been hearing was, what year is it?

Speaker 106 What year is it?

Speaker 129 Can I say one of my favorite things about the show is that we don't know what year it is.

Speaker 39 I think it's like one of the most fun things about it. It's like her singing My Chemical Romance.

Speaker 70 Yes.

Speaker 149 I like that it's the, in that way, it's this meta comment on like, this could be any year.

Speaker 121 You know what?

Speaker 178 Because it can.

Speaker 106 And I feel like, and I'll just talk openly and honestly about.

Speaker 38 this because there were some people I was talking to that were like, oh, he's, it's about him coming out of the closet.

Speaker 145 Like, how is that going to play in 2025?

Speaker 105 People forget that.

Speaker 178 And it's resonating so much with so many people because

Speaker 183 maybe you, the Royal You, feel like you're beyond that conversation about like being accepted and, you know, it being a normal thing to be gay, but not everyone is.

Speaker 105 No.

Speaker 106 Like, I feel like our culture, like, really warp speed, like traveled through, you know, what it means to like the love Simon-y type of gay thing, right?

Speaker 287 It's like, and I remember the discourse at the time was like, oh, this is an incredibly like like white gay experience.

Speaker 39 He had like incredibly accepting parents, et cetera.

Speaker 125 Like it didn't seem like it was that hard for him and et cetera.

Speaker 293 But I remember at the time being like, right, but you do need something like this in order to broach the subject on like a commercial way.

Speaker 76 And all these years have gone by and you see like the story about like, you know, this kid, he's a very attractive guy.

Speaker 68 He's obviously smart.

Speaker 124 He goes to Georgetown.

Speaker 118 He still has an incredibly difficult time coming out.

Speaker 19 And yeah, you don't know when it takes place.

Speaker 287 But I think that that's all outside of the fact, which is that people want to see stories, whether they're gay and it's coming out or whatever, about I'm not sure if I'm my true self, if people are going to accept me.

Speaker 56 And that does,

Speaker 7 it's less about like it being a queer thing or whatever, because it's the question, central question of the show is, are people going to love me if I really show them who I am?

Speaker 156 Yeah. And that is universal.

Speaker 78 And the reason why, I mean, look, we've done a lot of press about our projects where we're like, oh, we're just so refreshed that we're involved in something that is not like a coming out story.

Speaker 109 Like there are other queer stories to be told, but there's the appeal of a coming out story is always that it is legibly about a completely internal sort of like journey.

Speaker 94 Yeah.

Speaker 79 That is what makes overcompensating a compelling show.

Speaker 133 It's like, oh, like you don't have to see this guy be out of the closet just yet.

Speaker 291 There are, in fact, like the Owen Thielie like character, Thiel character is like the perfect sort of like foil to that where it's like, where it does make it somewhat relevant to now, where it's like in a world that seems like it is, people have already figured themselves out ahead of you, like, how does that make you feel?

Speaker 141 I feel this way still as a queer person.

Speaker 4 I'm like, wow, I am so stunted in all these different ways.

Speaker 94 I feel completely insecure about all these things.

Speaker 70 Like that is.

Speaker 95 And I've been out of the closet for half my life now.

Speaker 108 It's like, this is an incredibly universal thing.

Speaker 94 And that is probably what they discussed when they were trying to to figure out the story of the series.

Speaker 85 Yeah.

Speaker 86 So I have made it to the end.

Speaker 130 And I'm just going to say spoiler alert, like, because maybe not everyone's at the end, but in the final episode of the show, like Benito goes over to Owen, who like Benito, I'll say something about both their performances in a second after I get through this, which I'm so blown away by everybody in the show.

Speaker 124 But Benito goes up to Owen after

Speaker 102 he's, you know, kind of denied that they're friends in front of some straight guys.

Speaker 57 Some straight guys see Benito talking to Owen and they go, oh, are you guys friends?

Speaker 158 And Benito says, no, we're not friends, like right in front of him and disregards him.

Speaker 62 And Owen just really

Speaker 123 comfortably and just casually just like denies Benito when he tries to like, you know, pick up like they've, you know, nothing has happened, et cetera.

Speaker 159 And,

Speaker 168 you know, it's kind of just this moment where this out gay kid who really knows himself is able to just like sort of

Speaker 124 be the person who makes Benito like say, I need to change what's going on.

Speaker 287 I just, well, I guess I'm, it's a word salad here, but what I'm remembering is when I went to college and I was that kid, the thing that hurt me the most was when the out gay kids were looking at me like,

Speaker 112 We see you and it's pathetic.

Speaker 62 Oh, you know what I mean?

Speaker 162 Like, and that hurt more than any straight guy testing me or, you know, pushing my buttons because they felt like they knew something about me or any of my girlfriends being a little too knowing.

Speaker 124 You know, like what really got to me was when an out gay person who felt realized looked at me and was like, no.

Speaker 102 And then the rejection coming from them was like the most painful thing.

Speaker 143 And I do think that is the point, obviously, in the series where it's not long after that that things change.

Speaker 94 Well, that rejection from an outqueer person, let's say, just pushes you a little bit further into the closet, in my opinion.

Speaker 151 Whereas like you talking to a girlfriend who might know something or you kind of like, I don't know, duking it out mentally with like a straight guy who's trying to like uncover something.

Speaker 94 That's you like holding the line.

Speaker 141 That's you like holding the line of like who you are.

Speaker 82 Like I get to control how much I reveal, but then someone judging you or someone thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that you're trying to like negotiate this is, is, I think, only kind of alienates you.

Speaker 108 Yeah.

Speaker 126 And alienates Benito's character, probably.

Speaker 296 I have not gotten to that episode yet.

Speaker 192 It's just like there, I remember like, I was watching it in the beginning and I was like, oh, is he going to stay closeted like the whole season?

Speaker 102 And I knew we were in episode six where he was still dealing with that.

Speaker 186 And he was kind of seeing our characters in like secret because it was like his first grinder hookup.

Speaker 185 But I mean, my truth was, and I think your truth was, was and i can speak for both of us here is we remained in the closet the entirety of our freshman year

Speaker 125 yeah it was obviously a little bit more complicated for you because you had come out prior and it was whatever but i remember the thing that i can and if this is like a truthful depiction of what someone like this's freshman year is like is yeah i mean it might not have been what everyone would have wanted, but I stayed in that fucking closet and talked in a voice like the one he's using in that show

Speaker 87 for the entirety of freshman year to the point where it was physically painful.

Speaker 163 And the fact that he could hold that much discomfort in his body and in his voice and in his performance, like, I don't know.

Speaker 125 My hat is off to him because it's not a fun place to live and it's not where he naturally lives now, knowing him.

Speaker 79 Totally.

Speaker 148 I mean, but he, I, I saw him over the weekend and I was just like, God, there have been so many moments where I've like gone back 15 seconds or just paused on frames.

Speaker 79 Like, he's a really gifted actor, just an incredible actor and so, so amazing what he's done just as this creator and the star.

Speaker 174 We're just so happy. We're just so happy for him.

Speaker 108 It's just really nice to see like the community sort of rallying around this too.

Speaker 85 Yeah.

Speaker 88 And you know what I was thinking? Cause, cause I also was pulling that.

Speaker 68 I was like, wow, it seems like a lot of the queer community, a lot of gay guys

Speaker 161 are like out here saying like, I watched this show, I loved this show, I felt good watching the show, I felt seen watching the show in a way that made me feel really happy and actually reminded me of the reception that we got from Fire Island.

Speaker 161 Like I felt like gay guys were not being shy about saying that they loved it and that they watched it and that they were supporting it.

Speaker 119 And I just feel like sometimes it can feel you know, from project to project that the narrative changes a little bit and sometimes can err on the side of, oh, gay guys don't support each other or like you know gay guys are the cruelest to each other in media and i do think to in some regard that is true like certainly if i ever you know want to self-immolate and i want to feel bad about myself i'll go on and i know for a fact that the nasty things that are being said about like us or me or our projects are from gay guys but i really do just want to shout out the fact that like lots of gay guys support queer projects like lots of queer people are out here doing that and i don't want it to get lost in the discussion of like oh you know gay guys can't support other gay guys unless they're drag queens or porn stars

Speaker 11 like i don't want it to get lost that that's not really true and i really and like i feel like if i were bonito or if i'm myself or if i'm anyone out here with a queer project like i wouldn't want to toss like queer people like gay men under the bus that are supporting that when i do know for a fact that that happens i mean i don't know i was going to generalize and say, like, a lot of that animus comes from this insecurity or something, or something internalized, whatever.

Speaker 141 But I also don't want to, like, sometimes

Speaker 150 the gay guys are cruel and critical for good reason.

Speaker 70 For good reasons, of course. Maybe.

Speaker 94 Obviously, those are those are some cases, but you're right.

Speaker 131 I agree with you. I mean,

Speaker 97 I felt it from a lot of cis gay guys.

Speaker 187 Shout out.

Speaker 187 Like, I don't know.

Speaker 73 Like, sometimes you couldn't live without. Yeah.

Speaker 75 I went to the Betty Who concert.

Speaker 87 Oh.

Speaker 115 And it was all gay men.

Speaker 73 And we both played Webster Hall.

Speaker 196 And I was just thinking about when the last time I was at Webster Hall, which was my show, my Christmas show.

Speaker 87 And it was all,

Speaker 38 it was all Katie's.

Speaker 119 It was all women.

Speaker 57 And I was like, it's so funny because like I'm here at this Betty Who show and it's wall to wall gay guys and tank tops being like, it's pride.

Speaker 88 And we're at the Betty Who show and we know the choreo and we're obsessed.

Speaker 124 And by the way, shout out to Betty who gets better and fucking better.

Speaker 104 I

Speaker 11 love her.

Speaker 57 You're incredible.

Speaker 165 And I was a gay guy at your show.

Speaker 70 Woo.

Speaker 117 And I was happy to be.

Speaker 286 But then I was just thinking, I was like, I wonder what it would feel like for this many gay guys, and gay guys to show up for me.

Speaker 17 And then I thought to myself, you know what, though?

Speaker 181 They did.

Speaker 122 They did.

Speaker 139 Maybe they weren't at the front, but there was tons of gay guys at my show.

Speaker 195 And I don't want to keep telling myself the story that like gay guys don't support other gay guys because it's not true.

Speaker 95 No, they're definitely where I opened Grindr that night.

Speaker 81 I was like, whoa, the was

Speaker 174 all within 200 feet.

Speaker 184 You opened Grindr at my show.

Speaker 289 I got to delete it.

Speaker 149 I'm on it too much.

Speaker 70 And it's like, people. Yeah.

Speaker 187 And

Speaker 79 75% of my messages, this is just a, this is not a complaint.

Speaker 96 It's just like my landscape. It's just 75% of people being like, is this real?

Speaker 141 Oh my God, you're brave.

Speaker 97 I'm like, no, I'm a horny, in theory, at all times, gay guy.

Speaker 124 That is, I think, something that I could ask people to strike from their personal thing is like, is this really you about the people?

Speaker 96 What I say is I'd be the most random.

Speaker 97 Actually, I'd be the most random gay

Speaker 147 person of

Speaker 138 note, of recognition to catfish as.

Speaker 106 I kind of feel like that too. It's like, why wouldn't you just pick Matt Bomer?

Speaker 204 It's Wi-Fi that keeps your whole home connected so you can actually enjoy the holiday magic.

Speaker 205 chaos-free.

Speaker 210 Your kid is video chatting their friends from their tablet, and your partner is shopping for too many gifts and cinnamon candles.

Speaker 212 Ah!

Speaker 24 What?

Speaker 37 And during the holidays, that brilliance, that's a gift.

Speaker 65 Some stranger on the internet?

Speaker 235 Right? Mm-hmm.

Speaker 22 Can you?

Speaker 13 Yeah, you can, but you have to first.

Speaker 226 And a Mustang, the Mustang that conquers curves.

Speaker 239 But then, suddenly.

Speaker 13 I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did Parallel Park.

Speaker 192 Whether you think you can or you think you can't.

Speaker 234 Ready, set,

Speaker 12 Ford.

Speaker 13 Visit Ford.com to learn more.

Speaker 247 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes.

Speaker 235 Total reset.

Speaker 248 Right?

Speaker 50 It just just hits.

Speaker 74 Exactly.

Speaker 255 True.

Speaker 272 Wi-Fi soda, top-tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants, and even group fitness classes.

Speaker 276 From wellness-focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties, and more, boredom doesn't board the ship.

Speaker 46 Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini.

Speaker 278 Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Caraçao.

Speaker 291 It's summer.

Speaker 141 Summer is, we've really flipped, you and I.

Speaker 86 You're not feeling good.

Speaker 79 I am not feeling good about this summer, and that's okay.

Speaker 78 And it will all blow over.

Speaker 147 I am like in the gallows.

Speaker 134 It's something's going on, and I got to talk to my therapist about it.

Speaker 82 I think I am depressed because all I want to do is just play video games when I get up.

Speaker 156 Thanks to my Switch 2 from Nintendo.

Speaker 100 Thank you for abetting my depression, Nintendo.

Speaker 56 That's just like a way that you like to spend your time.

Speaker 183 So you, you waking up and like wanting to do that is just like, I think what you're craving is the time to do that.

Speaker 97 But like, you know, it's obviously been, it's been cuckoo crazy schedule time, but you know, I was just kind of going through it bullet point by bullet point with you last night.

Speaker 131 And I, I had not actually said the words out loud or just like gone through it beat by beat until then and it was like whoa the last seven months have been yeah as eroding as they have been maybe ever like i i might be in an even this is not to scare anybody but like i think i am i'm just managing it better for sure this is like i'm like oh god that's just i i'm reminded of that place that i was at when i needed to take a break from the podcast and i'm not saying that's what's going to happen but i'm like oh yeah

Speaker 150 really need to just keep crawling.

Speaker 81 And it will be okay because that got better and this will get better.

Speaker 78 And I'm just being real with my, my, my sister and my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful community of readers, Katie's publicists, and finalists and, and Kyle's, um,

Speaker 78 that, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm crisped up, but it's okay.

Speaker 126 The meat will, will tenderize soon.

Speaker 86 I know. And I want you to know that.

Speaker 154 I know you know this.

Speaker 96 You've noticed.

Speaker 295 You've clocked it.

Speaker 185 Well, it's not even about me noticing.

Speaker 154 It's just about you knowing that I'm here for you.

Speaker 106 And then if you need anything, and then if I, all I ask is that you just don't add anything.

Speaker 145 Just don't add anything.

Speaker 35 And that is in your control.

Speaker 70 That producer Becca says, I love you, Becca.

Speaker 13 We all love you.

Speaker 79 No, everyone's Becca, too.

Speaker 147 Becca had a fun weekend.

Speaker 133 Do you think, Becca, do you think we would be allowed to go to the Puerto Rican Pride festivities next year?

Speaker 297 Yes. Oh, my God.
Please.

Speaker 104 It looks so fun.

Speaker 297 They brought a huge crew of people.

Speaker 133 I would love to go.

Speaker 41 And then we'll show up and they'll be like, what's their name?

Speaker 297 It was a myriad of people across the diaspora, not Latino diaspora. Let me say that.
Of friends that were just like, this is so dope and I want to be involved.

Speaker 297 I will say the Manhattan Parade is giving corporate stakeholders.

Speaker 129 Yeah, yeah, like all.

Speaker 297 Because that is the true party. Like if you want to come up here on the island, you go to Bushwick.

Speaker 71 I love it.

Speaker 298 We camp out at Maria Hernandez Park.

Speaker 297 You see all these cars souped up. Everyone's playing Bad Bunny at different locations.

Speaker 298 Yep.

Speaker 71 Wow. So we know

Speaker 102 Bad Bunny streams going on at once.

Speaker 119 And I don't just mean what I fantasize about.

Speaker 298 Oh, exactly.

Speaker 297 I mean, there were rumors he was going to show up. He didn't.
It's fine. No, I'm said about it.

Speaker 156 And Seng Nueva Yo.

Speaker 297 Enseng Nova Yo.

Speaker 39 He now occupies, there's like an iconic, you know, on Houston.

Speaker 70 Calvin Klein has

Speaker 11 a massive board.

Speaker 117 That is like whoever's the one at the time.

Speaker 105 And right now, there is a huge bad bunny.

Speaker 298 Oh, and there's a picture.

Speaker 297 Producer Anna has one, a picture of her pinching it.

Speaker 11 Oh, wow.

Speaker 187 Anna, you filthy dog.

Speaker 139 Now that's too much.

Speaker 105 We don't like that filthy humor.

Speaker 115 Not on Lost Cult.

Speaker 111 Do you think that the summer will be improved?

Speaker 73 We love you, Becca.

Speaker 288 Give it up, Rebecca, everybody. Give it, Rebecca.

Speaker 133 Godsend.

Speaker 57 Do you think the summer will be improved by having a legitimate contender for Song of the Summer with Man Child by Sabrina Carpenter?

Speaker 162 Because

Speaker 185 not a single one of these other songs were legitimate contenders until now.

Speaker 289 No, you're right.

Speaker 104 I'm so thrilled that Sabrina is already kind of locking in as an artist for as long as it makes her happy and fulfilled is one of those artists who is just not going to really ever take any big break until she's ready to do that.

Speaker 94 I love that she's one of those girls who's like, I'm just going to keep releasing tracks year-round.

Speaker 186 She's ready for it.

Speaker 39 I feel like the thing that sets Sabrina apart from everyone is she actually had years to like train for this shit.

Speaker 88 Like mama is.

Speaker 122 Many albums deep.

Speaker 178 She now knows exactly who she is because she had the time to develop.

Speaker 112 Like she wasn't bailed on by the industry.

Speaker 5 She wasn't like embraced by the industry, but no one, it seems like it was like the slowest climb until it just snapped in.

Speaker 112 And now she is

Speaker 285 like bazooka with these hit songs.

Speaker 119 I guess the one thing a couple of my friends were saying was it feels like not a lot of a departure.

Speaker 186 But my thing is like, if you're locked and loaded with a bop, just release the bop.

Speaker 99 I would say it's like, to me, it's giving 15 minutes, but with the 80s synth opening very good luck babe like i love that blend of like she's she's going out on i think banjo licks love

Speaker 133 it fades out on banjo licks but then it starts with like these

Speaker 75 like that that that 80s kind of thing and i'm like oh love yeah that you've synthesized something kind of newish for us i love it i love her as like a low-key country artist like i i love her like super like nine to five aesthetic that she's giving.

Speaker 119 It felt like nine to five on the the road.

Speaker 122 It felt like nine to five meets like Thelma and Louise, like woman of the 80s, early 90s thing.

Speaker 172 I love the video.

Speaker 124 It's one of my favorite music videos I've seen in a very long time.

Speaker 287 Just like the amount of setups.

Speaker 32 I was watching it, wondering.

Speaker 124 I was like, I wonder if this was storyboarded or they just like set up a million locations and then got everything.

Speaker 58 Either way.

Speaker 154 It is so much fun to watch.

Speaker 236 It's one that you could watch again and again and again and again and again and again.

Speaker 11 She's just fucking got it.

Speaker 127 Yeah.

Speaker 94 Star, full star. We're obsessed.

Speaker 102 And Jack Antonoff, Amy Allen, and Sabrina Carpenter, that's a trio that should just keep rocking.

Speaker 94 Keep sticking together.

Speaker 81 Amy, yeah.

Speaker 110 She's everything.

Speaker 81 Grammy, Grammy winner, right? She won the Grammy.

Speaker 106 Yes, songwriter of the year.

Speaker 85 Yep.

Speaker 143 She might be an interesting person to have on the podcast because like

Speaker 183 that's truly like nuts and bolts how this, how the

Speaker 180 sausage gets made.

Speaker 130 I almost said how the salad gets tossed.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 146 Can I say it's definitely how the sausage gets made. It's not how the salad gets tossed.

Speaker 147 If she's got insights on how the salad gets tossed, I would love to hear that as well.

Speaker 70 I don't need any tips.

Speaker 75 Just kidding. Ew.

Speaker 70 God, I hate myself.

Speaker 70 I fucking hate myself.

Speaker 155 I did get a DM from a guy.

Speaker 177 No, maybe it was a grinder message. And this is how you know I was getting too crazy on Grinder

Speaker 77 that was like, I bet you're incredible at eating ass.

Speaker 115 And I was like, I got to put the phone away.

Speaker 81 I got to put the phone away.

Speaker 131 No, one guy recently was like, whatever, sent me a nude. I was like, great.

Speaker 104 And then he goes, yeah, you like that faggot.

Speaker 80 And I was like, okay,

Speaker 96 well, now I do have to, I wish I was the kind of person who was turned on by like full, I fully, full sub.

Speaker 97 I don't think I'm full sub.

Speaker 95 No. I don't like being called slurs.

Speaker 117 No, I don't like being called slurs or being told what kind of physical pain I'm in.

Speaker 118 Someone said to me recently, I can't wait to choke you and watch your beautiful eyes fill with tears.

Speaker 39 No. And I was like, well, thank you for elements of that sentence.

Speaker 184 Like, it's great that you want to fuck me a lot.

Speaker 144 I'm so happy that you think my eyes are beautiful.

Speaker 104 I liked when you called me beautiful.

Speaker 70 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Well, thanks for saying I'm beautiful.

Speaker 75 But then when I thought about choking, so well, first of all, I am on the record that I don't think it's a honey choking.

Speaker 105 It's just for me.

Speaker 39 And then someone was like, but don't you love poppers?

Speaker 169 And I was like, yeah, I like to pop up.

Speaker 178 And then they were like, well, you know, it's kind of the same.

Speaker 81 No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 56 kind of same like idea as like cutting off circulation.

Speaker 93 And I was like, I don't know about that.

Speaker 97 This is like a, this is danger.

Speaker 108 Like I'm putting my hand around my throat.

Speaker 70 This is like, this is a little, whatever.

Speaker 104 Like our brains are evolved a certain way to register that as like a

Speaker 295 fear response.

Speaker 122 Yeah, like it's giving oh no.

Speaker 112 And that's, I guess, I always need to be able to breathe.

Speaker 182 That's a big rule for me.

Speaker 151 Yeah, that you should be able to breathe.

Speaker 284 Need to breathe.

Speaker 5 Need to be able to breathe at least have the opportunity yeah uh

Speaker 174 i i have to agree

Speaker 284 write that down right later oh write that down for later when lost culture finally fucks what we couldn't do on overcompensating y'all Here's the tea.

Speaker 184 Should we say that we got the original script and we were like, can we pair this back in a little bit?

Speaker 95 The original script had us making out and we were like, maybe that's a bridge too far, both like, I don't know, just like for us as friends and, and for just, I think the, the scene itself, it would have been a gag.

Speaker 284 It made me nervous.

Speaker 39 I was like, I feel like if we ever kiss in film and media, it has to be on our terms.

Speaker 102 It can't be in someone else's project.

Speaker 179 Can I say in hindsight, and not just because the show was a huge success, that would have, that would have been a fine place to be like, let's just go for it.

Speaker 294 You know what I wish I had done?

Speaker 146 I wish I had ad libbed one thing, which is the last thing while I'm, spoiler alert, jacking off on the Jonathan Adler.

Speaker 109 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 106 I wish I had said, I am so in love with you.

Speaker 70 I love that.

Speaker 284 I wish I had said something along the line. It's like, you're my husband.

Speaker 70 That was so crazy, girl.

Speaker 106 Wait, you know what Benny said to me?

Speaker 95 He was like, and I was like, shut the fuck up because

Speaker 96 he was being sweet, but it was like a compliment that didn't sound like a compliment until later.

Speaker 292 But he was like, oh my God, Bowen, like, I just have to tell you like you add like in the script it was originally get out of our house and you add them to get out of our townhouse i was like that is so lateral shut the fuck up like what are you saying no people are obsessed with that line but then later on i'm like oh i guess that is like the slightest that is the serrated edge that that like that is that is the bit of as emily oberman describes it at pentagram the bit of wit the thing that is slightly off it's like oh okay get out of our townhouse just it's a little bit different than get out of our house this is so funny we're complimenting our own performances.

Speaker 71 No, no, no, that's not fun.

Speaker 39 Because by the, by the way, Bowen, I got there in the show and I, of course, had seen the scene in Isolated because they had sent it over.

Speaker 117 They were like, oh my God, we love it. We're so excited.

Speaker 186 So I watched it isolated. I was like, oh my God, yeah.

Speaker 70 Great.

Speaker 75 Presented in the show.

Speaker 161 I was like, this really works because it is a panicky situation for him.

Speaker 154 Like when you're following him the whole time, and then you find us with our, with our two creatures, and the way that it starts, so kind of like, you know, you think he might be understood and then you come in and it's a whole other fucking thing.

Speaker 186 It really worked, yeah.

Speaker 117 And I love that subtly, I am so the bottom, and you are so the top.

Speaker 56 Like, you totally are the top.

Speaker 39 Like, even when you walked in and you go, Oh, like that, that you said it like a top. Like, you did the whole thing like a top, and I did the whole thing like a bottom 100%.

Speaker 130 Cause you are the top in that relationship.

Speaker 127 Davis is the top.

Speaker 170 I think you're the top in our relationship, to be honest with you.

Speaker 70 Baby, non-sexual top.

Speaker 95 Yeah, the top.

Speaker 87 No, I think you talk talk a lot with us.

Speaker 289 That's not true.

Speaker 79 I'm quiet as a mouse.

Speaker 160 Girl, I'm not topping you in life.

Speaker 87 I'm not.

Speaker 193 I'm out here.

Speaker 122 I feel the bottom.

Speaker 133 I feel the bottom.

Speaker 87 You think you're the bottom with us?

Speaker 95 Bottom. I've celebrated that.

Speaker 81 I've got a record saying, whatever.

Speaker 97 I just, I like that about us.

Speaker 106 How are you denoting bottom?

Speaker 150 Well, gosh, this is something I have to examine too. Oh.

Speaker 128 I'm denoting bottom as

Speaker 95 sub

Speaker 90 because of that directionality.

Speaker 183 I don't find you to be sub.

Speaker 158 Okay.

Speaker 11 Socially, friendship-wise. Really?

Speaker 183 No, but I also don't think you're dominant.

Speaker 167 I just think you're the top.

Speaker 127 God.

Speaker 290 Can I just say, oh, God, this is going to sound so annoying.

Speaker 104 But with like the night that I had off, I was like, I'm going to go and meet this guy for drinks.

Speaker 70 Sure.

Speaker 150 Barely got a word in edges.

Speaker 156 I'm like, this is my biggest pet peeve.

Speaker 90 And you know, I was talking to Lily Glad, Lily, about this during press.

Speaker 100 I was like, we did this like them speed dating thing.

Speaker 142 I don't think they use this part, but they're, but one of the questions was, what's your biggest pet peeve a dating?

Speaker 108 I was like, I think mine is just

Speaker 189 not saying a peep.

Speaker 98 I've, I've gotten so many dates lately where I just don't say a peep.

Speaker 79 I don't get asked anything.

Speaker 141 Yeah.

Speaker 98 And then Lily was like, but that's probably because they, it's people who know it's you and also they are nervous and all these things.

Speaker 90 I'm like, but like at the end of the day, no matter what the dynamic is, if it's a date, it's like, it should be equitable.

Speaker 94 It should be an equitable conversation.

Speaker 133 That's my, that's, that's my radical opinion.

Speaker 108 Am I, am I, am I wrong?

Speaker 86 No, you're 100% right.

Speaker 145 I think, I do think Lily is probably right.

Speaker 118 Like, I would imagine that people obviously come with an with an idea of recognition for you and they're, therefore, baggage about the situation.

Speaker 146 And so they're probably coming to the table thinking, well, I'm going to show that I'm valuable as well by sharing a lot.

Speaker 117 When meanwhile, it's like what you really want to do is be actually understood.

Speaker 70 Or just on a date.

Speaker 124 Yeah, just on it, just be on a date.

Speaker 188 You know what what I know about you, even though I've not witnessed it firsthand.

Speaker 94 I bet you're a great fucking date.

Speaker 70 And I'm going to say I'm a great fucking date.

Speaker 115 I bet you are.

Speaker 85 100.

Speaker 97 I try.

Speaker 104 I try. I try to make it so easy for the other person.

Speaker 291 Hence me like nodding along, listening.

Speaker 134 I'm with them every, every step of the way as they unfurl their life toward like towards me.

Speaker 98 And I retain all that information.

Speaker 94 I really do.

Speaker 149 So that the next time, if there's a next time, I like follow up.

Speaker 101 I just, I wish I could be afforded that.

Speaker 94 Yeah.

Speaker 157 I think that's, well, I'm what, and now I think in stating it out loud, this is one way to do that.

Speaker 196 Sure. Hopefully people, someone out there takes the note.

Speaker 39 I guess I'm, I'm wondering now to myself, because I always feel like when you're, when we're talking about dating, it's so easy to be like, other people be like, or like, I hate my message totally.

Speaker 160 And I'm trying to ask myself the question of like, if I could take accountability, what could I do better with dating?

Speaker 149 I know, I know already what mine is.

Speaker 144 What's yours?

Speaker 4 It's, I'm so bad at the texting back.

Speaker 142 And that is just across the board a problem I have. That's just across the board, something that I have with you, with

Speaker 91 our friends.

Speaker 79 Like, like, it's like, it's, that's, it's just something that infects every part of my life.

Speaker 70 What about you?

Speaker 122 I don't feel left unread by you ever.

Speaker 87 It's, it's great to think that I could get even swifter responses.

Speaker 4 You can leverage.

Speaker 146 I think my thing is I just bring other experiences into.

Speaker 95 That's okay.

Speaker 70 It's so hard not to. Yeah.

Speaker 123 I sometimes have to extra remind myself that, you know, other people I've dated are not in the room with us when I'm on a new one.

Speaker 152 And like, I don't, like, like I'm talking to a new person, not someone I can project something on from older situations.

Speaker 196 But that's my thing.

Speaker 116 And also just knowing what I want to begin with.

Speaker 142 Totally.

Speaker 144 Because I think we could, I could personally save a lot of people a lot of time if I were just like, maybe this is not what you want.

Speaker 71 Yeah.

Speaker 102 Because for me, it's no longer the thing of like, I feel like I'm performing on a date or I feel the need to stunt on a date or like win a date.

Speaker 110 Like that's something I'm, I'm, I'm over.

Speaker 144 It's other things now.

Speaker 70 It's like, why am I here to begin with?

Speaker 118 And, and while I'm here, um, what am I thinking about?

Speaker 35 Or what am I anticipating?

Speaker 70 Yes.

Speaker 131 That gets in the way.

Speaker 127 That, that, that, like, that like colors the rest of it within the date.

Speaker 196 It's unfair.

Speaker 171 to the other person and myself. Yeah.

Speaker 183 I've had a dating trauma

Speaker 158 and I feel like no matter how hard I try, and I'm not saying it's like, it's, it's, it's as much of a problem as it's been.

Speaker 191 I'm just saying that is my challenge now is like, this person isn't gonna hurt you necessarily.

Speaker 160 This is like, if you can actually trust what this person says, you know what I mean?

Speaker 118 Like, yeah, especially as you get into your mid-30s, it's, it kind of feels like less people are likely to bullshit.

Speaker 218 So give them the opportunity to be genuine.

Speaker 117 Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all going to be like that.

Speaker 81 I will say what was done to you is so unusual.

Speaker 148 Your dating trauma as it was inflicted upon you was

Speaker 101 of such a deranged

Speaker 70 nature. I was just saying it was

Speaker 89 going to say nature. It was

Speaker 98 so extreme and like something that I would not wish upon my worst enemy.

Speaker 294 But this is where the accountability comes in.

Speaker 94 Totally. And I, but I just want to, I just want to put that out there.

Speaker 99 And like, it just, I, I feel for for you constantly in this regard because it's like, God, it could not have happened to like a more undeserving person, whatever deserving means.

Speaker 90 But you know what I mean?

Speaker 137 It's like, God, like, you, you can't fucking, like, why would you do that?

Speaker 89 Don't do it to Matt.

Speaker 147 Don't do it to anyone. Okay.
What were you saying?

Speaker 4 Accountability.

Speaker 38 I think the accountability part is also being like, okay, a shitty thing happened to you in your life.

Speaker 159 Forget about dating, whatever.

Speaker 56 It's like a relationship, whatever it is.

Speaker 39 Like, where's the accountability?

Speaker 124 Because at a certain point, you do have to stop saying like, well, it's because this person was this or wrong place, wrong time, or whatever.

Speaker 57 Like, I've been able to make so many positive changes just about like managing my energy and knowing about people's capabilities through certain situations.

Speaker 145 Like, and also it has made a lot of other things in my life make sense.

Speaker 154 Like, I will never say to anyone now, like, you have to get over it.

Speaker 163 It's been a long time.

Speaker 106 Or like, or you know what?

Speaker 122 It's like, I'm grateful for the ups and downs of dating in general because they fill out a landscape of what that experience is really like in totality so that you can be more

Speaker 112 sensitive and more generous and more understanding and empathetic with people.

Speaker 122 That they do say that about like heartbreak and about grief is it is miserable to go through, but then ultimately, that is what makes you a 360 full human.

Speaker 102 That's what colors in the coloring book of your emotional life are the hard things.

Speaker 87 It's just fucking tough while you're going through them.

Speaker 111 And I do think like accountability is important.

Speaker 255 Sure.

Speaker 118 You can give as much as you can get.

Speaker 163 And like, there's one thing being like, oh, I'm going to kick this around with my girlfriends and my sisters and my best friends about like how shitty the situation was.

Speaker 171 But then there's another element of it, which is like, and I could do better too.

Speaker 147 Of course.

Speaker 128 And the fact that you even have that mechanism to be like, let me examine myself is something that the vast majority of people don't have yet.

Speaker 147 Because we're just people in our 30s dating, I think for the most part, other people in our 30s, and

Speaker 128 we're all figuring this out together.

Speaker 150 That's the thing about dating within your age.

Speaker 110 Everyone on some levels developmentally on the same track, but also there is something appealing about dating for me older, but then that becomes, but then you have to like parse that, well, is that a flag of any color for that?

Speaker 142 You know, it's like, there's just so many different things that you have to think about.

Speaker 204 It's Wi-Fi that keeps your whole home connected so you can actually enjoy the holiday magic.

Speaker 205 Chaos free.

Speaker 210 Your kid is video chatting their friends from their tablet and your partner is shopping for too many gifts and cinnamon candles.

Speaker 212 Ah!

Speaker 24 What?

Speaker 65 Some Some stranger on the internet?

Speaker 235 Right?

Speaker 22 Can you?

Speaker 12 Yeah, you can.

Speaker 13 But you have to first.

Speaker 226 And a Mustang?

Speaker 69 The Mustang that conquers curves.

Speaker 13 But then, suddenly, I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.

Speaker 192 Whether you think you can or you think you can't?

Speaker 234 Ready, set, Ford.

Speaker 13 Visit forward.com to learn more.

Speaker 247 I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes.

Speaker 235 Total reset.

Speaker 248 Right?

Speaker 74 Exactly.

Speaker 36 Diet Coke.

Speaker 251 This is my taste.

Speaker 228 Well, obviously, you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.

Speaker 255 True.

Speaker 262 Max. Okay, good choice.

Speaker 260 Second question: Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning?

Speaker 249 Nothing against kids, kids are awesome, but sometimes it's nice to be kid-free.

Speaker 276 From wellness-focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties, and more.

Speaker 203 Boredom doesn't board the ship.

Speaker 46 Virgin even has their own private beach club in Biveny.

Speaker 278 Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Caraçao.

Speaker 242 Sudi is like positive that we both have to date older.

Speaker 95 She's positive.

Speaker 167 She says it all the time.

Speaker 162 She's like, well, you both need someone who's going to take control in her like way of saying that.

Speaker 115 And I'm just like, see, I wonder though.

Speaker 51 I wonder, all right.

Speaker 86 Dating older, quote unquote, is different saying that at 35 than saying that at 25.

Speaker 112 Like when I was 25, dating older meant like a guy in his 30s.

Speaker 219 Now dating older at 35 is like, I don't know what, like a guy in his 50s, you know, like that's, that's someone that's looking for something totally different, probably.

Speaker 56 There's like, it's, so it's, I certainly watch a lot of daddy porn, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 92 I'll tell you that.

Speaker 70 But I'm saying, uh, in terms of taking control, I don't know about that either.

Speaker 78 All I want,

Speaker 70 this is all I want.

Speaker 79 I want someone to know what restaurants to go to.

Speaker 70 That's all I actually want.

Speaker 122 And when you say that, do you mean like you want someone that's going to take care of the decisions of the

Speaker 162 life? Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 118 I made a reservation for us here.

Speaker 11 Meet me here.

Speaker 106 The cleaning person is coming on Thursday. Like not a, not a nurse or a maid, but just someone, someone that has that on their mind.

Speaker 81 Take care of you.

Speaker 133 I have my like dashboard of life all kind of laid out the way that I want it to, except in some few deficiencies.

Speaker 108 And it would be so nice.

Speaker 79 And this is not a requirement, obviously.

Speaker 94 And we're just talking, we're just shooting from the hip here, but it's like, would be so cool if like there was a puzzle piece, like

Speaker 134 completing that, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 68 It's just so funny.

Speaker 89 Oh, it's so, it's so fun to fantasize about these things.

Speaker 87 No, I know.

Speaker 108 I know, because, and I'll tell you what, it's a lot more fun than going on the actual dates.

Speaker 110 Talking about how many and shit.

Speaker 56 Because like, again, like, it's like, it's like we're talking about earlier about like, you know, gay guys not supporting other gay guys.

Speaker 216 It's like, yeah, but is it, wouldn't it be fun to think about one that does, you know what I mean?

Speaker 204 And they do exist.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 146 Not to say that every time a song like Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter comes out that I'm not absolutely down to ride load the shotgun, let's go into town.

Speaker 75 Like, I am down to talk about how men ain't shit.

Speaker 11 Like

Speaker 218 in little tiny fun flares, but in terms of a life ideology, I had to, and, you know, I think we all have to.

Speaker 194 at a certain point, like clock the stories that we've been telling ourselves and being like, maybe I'm not helping myself by consistently telling myself the same story because not everyone is the person that love bombed you.

Speaker 173 Not everyone is the person that cheated on you.

Speaker 39 Not everyone is the person that, you know, stole your money.

Speaker 118 Oh, I don't know why that was the third thing.

Speaker 90 Have you, have you been pilfered by a man?

Speaker 182 No, but I know people that have.

Speaker 127 Yikes.

Speaker 57 Someone that we know was dating someone, it was found out was only dating them so that they could finance projects of theirs.

Speaker 86 And then they bailed.

Speaker 105 Like people are sick.

Speaker 189 Well, there's one fucking person out there who has never dated me, but owes me money.

Speaker 152 Oh, you got to tell me after.

Speaker 83 I got to tell you.

Speaker 189 No, I followed up after years, and you know who it is.

Speaker 11 Oh, I do know who it is.

Speaker 183 And can I tell you something?

Speaker 108 That's crazy. I emailed again.

Speaker 95 I was like, hey,

Speaker 84 where's my money?

Speaker 132 And if I see him out in these streets, say it.

Speaker 70 Say it. It's on

Speaker 105 the site.

Speaker 70 Man.

Speaker 70 Why are you not paying me $400?

Speaker 179 I'm not, I'm not like confrontational at all.

Speaker 104 In moments like this, I have no problem bringing it up.

Speaker 180 And this person's avoided me out in public.

Speaker 186 And I'm like, dude. Well, of course.

Speaker 106 How much money is it?

Speaker 156 Like $700.

Speaker 101 Yeah.

Speaker 68 See, that's not a small amount at all.

Speaker 89 I want $700, please.

Speaker 85 Yeah.

Speaker 98 That is owed to me in the form of services and lodging that I was providing to you and that was agreed upon.

Speaker 70 God, whatever.

Speaker 130 You know what's a crazy thing about me?

Speaker 186 I had the instinct for three quarters of a second.

Speaker 172 I was like, I'll just send him the money.

Speaker 144 No.

Speaker 106 But then I was like, no, it's not about that.

Speaker 78 No.

Speaker 181 It's the principle of the, it is the principle of pleasure.

Speaker 158 One of the great songs.

Speaker 102 I feel like people are going to be furious if we don't address and just like that.

Speaker 70 Okay, let's address address and just like that.

Speaker 158 We have to address and just like that.

Speaker 118 One thing I'll say, I love the choice for the virgin nun played by Rosie O'Donnell to say, I've never been to New York before.

Speaker 193 In a New York accent.

Speaker 106 That's how I knew we were still cooking.

Speaker 196 For Rosie O'Donnell to just launch I've never been to New York before, like in that accent as a virgin nun, lesbian nun, who fucks Miranda, like more of that.

Speaker 39 Like if I'm behind the wheel, my foot is on the gas for more of that.

Speaker 296 Right.

Speaker 96 I am really disoriented by the Aiden stuff, gotta say.

Speaker 101 So they're this five-year thing is loose.

Speaker 90 And then he shows up for a random thing because he was just in town, unannounced, comes to the house.

Speaker 133 Like a lot of things need some sort of

Speaker 142 realist texture there.

Speaker 136 And it just, there's, there's no, it's just a slippery fantasy, which is, I guess, what Sex in the City always kind of was.

Speaker 136 But then at the same time, there were moments of that show that were truly, for lack of a better word, like gritty.

Speaker 73 100%.

Speaker 183 They've got Carrie in a long-distance relationship dealing with rats.

Speaker 106 I said, I don't see this for my girl.

Speaker 154 It's hard when you have a character that you know is smarter than this.

Speaker 50 And we're watching her go through this.

Speaker 122 And I'm like, look, I understand.

Speaker 161 Like, I have, I've been there with really trying to make it work with the guy that you believe is the one.

Speaker 96 But at a a certain point like she's too old for this shit and i wonder if it's like okay we're building up to like her losing patience with this kind of domesticity and then this breaks off of aiden and then she goes out into the dating world again but i don't know that two episodes in a row of home maintenance is

Speaker 294 something that that is yeah I think, but I think we are because this guy that's coming in to do her backyard, they had a lot of sexual attention.

Speaker 56 And I was just like, oh, what they've they've done is they're essentially putting in an Aiden who's actually available.

Speaker 88 Because didn't you feel he gave Aiden?

Speaker 83 Of course, but I mean, L O L at that hair, and then the just the belt being loose off of it, off of a loop.

Speaker 79 Like, I'm like, okay, this is so telegraphed.

Speaker 296 I love it.

Speaker 95 Yeah, he's Aiden.

Speaker 294 Aiden has come in, and suddenly there's an Aiden there that can be available to her.

Speaker 70 And I'm hoping she jumps his bones quick, like, right quick.

Speaker 11 I just, I need Carrie to be

Speaker 105 doing more sex in the city.

Speaker 110 That's what, that's what I want from it.

Speaker 94 That's what that's what we all want.

Speaker 122 I loved the

Speaker 146 Miranda plotline of she fucks the virgin nun.

Speaker 70 I was like, yes, this feels like that.

Speaker 75 This feels like it.

Speaker 113 Okay, any

Speaker 152 feelings, thoughts, things you want to say about the wicked for good trailer?

Speaker 160 She hit the web hard.

Speaker 90 Yes.

Speaker 109 I want to say that

Speaker 99 the wicked trailer is but a glimpse.

Speaker 70 I mean, what can I say? I can't reveal this.

Speaker 285 I love ruler culture number 90.

Speaker 70 The trailer is but a glimpse.

Speaker 159 That's all we can say about that.

Speaker 96 I want to say that Elphaba's hair literally coming down is a slay to me.

Speaker 111 I think that I'm so I'm looking for a big piece of art to put over my new couch.

Speaker 112 And I think that Elphiba with her hair down, I think I would like a, let's say, 80 by 30,

Speaker 172 a huge piece of statement art for my living room, which is Alphaba with her hair down, having just like fucked it up.

Speaker 159 I need that.

Speaker 131 80 inches is almost, I would say, seven feet.

Speaker 117 Oh, it's so big.

Speaker 70 Seven feet.

Speaker 160 So right now I'm like, I'm like, I hired an interior designer and I fucking love her.

Speaker 163 I'm so excited.

Speaker 130 And we're talking about like, so you have to make a big decision once you put in your couch.

Speaker 118 It's like when you think about what's going to go above it, is it like a lot of different things?

Speaker 9 Is it shelving? Is it asymmetry?

Speaker 103 Or is it one big art?

Speaker 108 I think you want one big art.

Speaker 78 I think there are big artists.

Speaker 286 I think I want one big art and I'm joking that it's Alphaba, but am I?

Speaker 130 Can you imagine if I got if I, if trade came over here and they're like, hey, so excited we finally connected.

Speaker 118 Yeah, that was really good meal and drinks as well.

Speaker 57 I really enjoyed the film we saw and when we ice skated on our date.

Speaker 117 Excited to go into your apartment.

Speaker 158 Opens the door, comes in, dick a little hard, sees Alpha Ba on the wall.

Speaker 80 What's the craziest decor

Speaker 96 you've seen trade have when they've hosted?

Speaker 70 This is a good question.

Speaker 94 I have an answer so immediate.

Speaker 119 What is what if, Bo and Yang, what is the craziest decor you've seen trade display?

Speaker 134 Sweet older gentleman in Midtown. Um, I walk in, and

Speaker 89 there's no inch of wall in this apartment that was not covered in like a plastic, I should say, like a little tiny sculptural Disney.

Speaker 121 Oh, God, it's so rough.

Speaker 81 In a way, in a way, because, and by the way, I am not unreceptive to that.

Speaker 139 No, but it was you know us, you love us.

Speaker 89 It was a maximalism to a degree that I was like, this is,

Speaker 95 this is a lot.

Speaker 79 And he was like, I know it's a lot.

Speaker 126 I was like, it's a lot.

Speaker 70 You weren't ready for it, but much less horny for it.

Speaker 139 Oh, wow. So you actually were okay.

Speaker 81 I looked past it.

Speaker 148 But on the way out, I was like, God damn, that's a giant maleficent.

Speaker 100 You know, like it was, it was, it was that kind of thing.

Speaker 131 I was like, this is

Speaker 96 Ryan Murphy's grotesquery.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 190 I mean, I guess I have two.

Speaker 193 One,

Speaker 76 none as specific as that, but one, I went over a guy's apartment to hook up and I was, he had so much art hung up and it was kind of beautiful.

Speaker 194 But everything I asked about, he's like, oh, what's this?

Speaker 124 He told me that his ex-boyfriend had hung it up.

Speaker 70 Shut up.

Speaker 106 He's like, oh, yeah, my ex-boyfriend hung that up.

Speaker 87 You can leave that out.

Speaker 146 My ex-boyfriend put that on that wall.

Speaker 102 This, this is a picture that my ex-boyfriend framed.

Speaker 56 I was just like, what?

Speaker 290 What about the contents of the picture?

Speaker 124 It was always secondary.

Speaker 154 So that, and then one time I took it doggy from someone in a room that was a hoarder's room.

Speaker 112 It was, I just, it's like when you, you meet someone and they're incredibly put together and you're like, well, there's no way that it's going to be two feet of clothes on the ground that we have to climb over.

Speaker 139 If you're even thinking about having someone come over, there has to be a path to the bed.

Speaker 104 Yeah.

Speaker 70 Like, if there's no path to the bed,

Speaker 106 there's no path forward.

Speaker 284 That's actually real close to number 40.

Speaker 70 If there's no path to the bed, there's no path forward.

Speaker 109 Some of these girls, the bedding is barely on.

Speaker 189 Like the, just, just the sheets are just like, you know, you don't have to have a full bedding set but sometimes the mattress protector is like halfway off and i go oh well we should figure this out also

Speaker 123 yes and what do you feel about pageantry with a towel on the bed no no i'm kind of like i

Speaker 70 can we not like i don't i don't want to on a towel no

Speaker 94 although

Speaker 79 I did have the algorithm work its work on me once and I bought one of those like

Speaker 96 those like come throws.

Speaker 70 Like anal sex throw, like a come throw.

Speaker 98 I've used it once, but it does kind of break it where I'm like, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 151 And I got to like fish it out of the closet and put it out.

Speaker 70 Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Speaker 288 And it's a nice feeling.

Speaker 109 It's not a towel, for God's sake.

Speaker 195 No, I mean, one time I'm getting fucked by a guy, and trust me, like I, I've taken care of this.

Speaker 70 Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 285 I'm in the anal sex game now almost, you know, 15 years.

Speaker 78 We're good at this.

Speaker 113 So I'm thinking, like, around 27, 28, you kind of, you kind of learn like, okay, I'm not the age where I can just like hop on dicks anymore.

Speaker 35 So, you know, it's, it's not always a perfect science, but now I'm at the point where like, if I'm going to be bottoming, like, don't worry about it.

Speaker 287 I've figured it out.

Speaker 38 And if there, if something goes down, like, it's not crazy, like we're all adults here, whatever.

Speaker 86 So I was, you know, recently, not recently, about a year ago, like a guy was like,

Speaker 164 can I fuck you?

Speaker 140 And I was like, yes.

Speaker 124 And then he's like, we should get a towel.

Speaker 70 I'm like, it's really okay and he was like

Speaker 71 let's get a towel

Speaker 87 at my house

Speaker 284 at my house that's like

Speaker 106 no i'm like what about looking at me in my beautiful eyes says i'm in a shit everywhere i don't think i was giving that and i don't think i give that I'm one of those gay guys that's like, I don't fart.

Speaker 105 Ask Jared.

Speaker 186 I don't fart. You don't fart.

Speaker 56 Dated me a year.

Speaker 106 I'm one of those, I don't fart gays.

Speaker 75 Like, I don't like it.

Speaker 94 Because anytime I fart, you really get scandalized.

Speaker 286 I have

Speaker 124 what I would describe as a full body response, but your farts sound like an angry Egyptian king.

Speaker 109 Yeah,

Speaker 137 they're pretty bad. I should get that shot.

Speaker 182 Yours are the loudest sounds

Speaker 119 on the scale of sound, and mine are silent, but

Speaker 70 I can't believe I was saying this, but they're bad.

Speaker 101 So you do fart.

Speaker 71 No,

Speaker 71 that was just for you.

Speaker 87 I really don't fart.

Speaker 111 The only reason I have a butthole is for sex.

Speaker 144 Promise.

Speaker 141 Promise. Entrance only.

Speaker 70 Anyways, but I was so like, I was like, shut up.

Speaker 105 Like, I'm telling you it's fine.

Speaker 296 No, that's that's disgusting.

Speaker 131 No, get out.

Speaker 90 You're not fucking me.

Speaker 184 And now I'm like, okay, let me get up and get it.

Speaker 105 Like, I'm like, I'm telling you, it's fine.

Speaker 139 Also, if we're in my house and I say it's fine, it's fine.

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Speaker 74 Exactly.

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Speaker 43 Okay, so you know how the world is a chaotic, swirling ball of total stress right now?

Speaker 15 Well, we have a new Hulu show from Ryan Murphy that will give you the much-needed break from reality.

Speaker 140 And whether you know it or not, you are already completely obsessed.

Speaker 300 It's called All's Fair, and Ms.

Speaker 45 Kardashian plays Allura Grant, the most in-demand divorce attorney in Los Angeles.

Speaker 52 Get it?

Speaker 299 It's All's Fair, as in All's Fair in Love and War, and she's a divorce attorney.

Speaker 28 Love it.

Speaker 206 Now let's talk ensemble because Allura does not go it alone.

Speaker 55 She breaks off from a crusty male-dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature.

Speaker 45 Naomi Watts, Nicy Nash-Betts, Tiana Taylor, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 74 Yeah, hello, Glenn Close.

Speaker 272 And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis.

Speaker 26 And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless, and when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way.

Speaker 15 But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama, relax.

Speaker 300 Allura, that's Kim's character, has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life.

Speaker 169 Her professional life crashes into her personal one and uh-oh.

Speaker 299 So how does this super lawyer fix her own mess?

Speaker 287 With a little help from her besties, besties, of course.

Speaker 18 So this series has it all.

Speaker 38 Scandalous secrets, high-stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows, some OMG twists, and friendships that rise above it all.

Speaker 34 And of course, everything is going to look amazing.

Speaker 50 It's got some unapologetic glam, a work hard, play-harder lifestyle.

Speaker 52 Every scene just sparkles.

Speaker 26 Everybody makes compromises in their lives.

Speaker 58 Lame men, underpaying jobs.

Speaker 182 Well, stop.

Speaker 245 Just stop.

Speaker 41 And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession.

Speaker 198 All's fair now streaming on Hulu and on Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers.

Speaker 43 Terms apply, drama guaranteed.

Speaker 288 And just like that, we've arrived at I Don't Think So, honey.

Speaker 131 It's time.

Speaker 85 Yeah.

Speaker 188 This is our segment where we take one minute to

Speaker 109 really

Speaker 96 take the piss out of something in culture.

Speaker 87 And I have something.

Speaker 108 Do you have something?

Speaker 111 I do have something.

Speaker 108 Okay, this is great.

Speaker 149 This is Matt Rodgers' I Don't Think So, Honey, as Time Starts Now.

Speaker 119 I don't think so, honey, that the actress Jen Lyon is not a household name.

Speaker 115 So, I watched the English teacher again and so enjoyed it.

Speaker 75 And she does the best guest acting in a comedy performance I have ever seen.

Speaker 55 Literally, start the conversation right now.

Speaker 285 That needs to be an Emmy nomination for Jen Lyon in English teacher.

Speaker 105 This performance is funny.

Speaker 124 It was layered. It was everything.

Speaker 166 And I was like, where have I seen her before?

Speaker 107 The answer is

Speaker 107 everywhere.

Speaker 88 She was on the show Claws, which was an underrated show with Nisi Nash.

Speaker 106 It was a Nisi Nash vehicle that also had a really great performance from Karuchi Tran, by the way.

Speaker 191 Like this show was gold.

Speaker 178 And then you peel back the layers and you realize Jen Lyon slays it in so many things.

Speaker 56 This is one of the funniest, most like complex, like

Speaker 108 depth-giving actresses that's out there.

Speaker 294 And I need her to be known, and I need her to be cast in all things.

Speaker 160 I don't think so, honey, that she's not.

Speaker 79 And that's one minute.

Speaker 70 Thank you. But also, she is, but also, she is.

Speaker 104 So, it's like, it's, yeah, she, she's, this is what we call, you know, a rising star.

Speaker 39 I was lucky enough to serve on the jury of the Gotham TV awards, and I did supporting performance in a comedy series.

Speaker 282 And that was one of the reasons why I was re-watching English Teacher because Sean Patton was nominated.

Speaker 287 He's excellent.

Speaker 161 We ultimately gave the award to Purna Jagannathan from Deli Boys, a show that Sudi wrote for, and she's also great on, but I feel like people aren't talking about it.

Speaker 121 And it's a really great show.

Speaker 130 So basically, I come here to say, watch those shows that you've been meaning to watch that people have been telling you about because they've got stuff like this Gen Lion performance, which just affected me in such a way.

Speaker 115 And I was laughing.

Speaker 164 I laugh out loud at that show.

Speaker 70 Like the kids in it are,

Speaker 58 it's the best like kid acting I've seen in a really long time.

Speaker 81 Oh, that's so fun.

Speaker 162 No, just to have like authentic teens like saying these lines that are really well-written comedy, but the way they say it is so dropped in, like it feels real.

Speaker 129 It doesn't feel like kids are acting, which is so hard.

Speaker 289 I know. I know.

Speaker 135 Shout out. If a lot of a lot of plays we were pointing out at the Tony's

Speaker 100 and shows taking place at schools in the classroom.

Speaker 96 Shout out to anyone who runs a production or does

Speaker 96 has to corral children of any kind.

Speaker 126 You deserve a billion dollars.

Speaker 151 Okay.

Speaker 113 When are you seeing John Procker as the villain?

Speaker 134 I cannot wait.

Speaker 147 I'm seeing it on

Speaker 99 the 14th, right before we go to France.

Speaker 162 I can't wait for you to see it and talk to you about it.

Speaker 94 I'm so excited.

Speaker 133 Okay.

Speaker 165 So,

Speaker 140 Boen Yang, you had an I Don't Think So Honey to do.

Speaker 35 And I'm excited about that to hear it.

Speaker 70 Great.

Speaker 192 This is Boen Yang's.

Speaker 287 I don't think So Honey is his time starts now.

Speaker 147 I don't think so, honey, having a matinee on Tony Sunday. I think

Speaker 89 making these poor people, some of them love to do it and shout out, but I say you give them a day to pamper themselves up to really, you know, get the microcurrent machine going on the face or get the little wax that they might have not had time during the rest of the week when they have seven other shows, maybe six other shows.

Speaker 98 Let's say, fine, they don't have a Sunday night show.

Speaker 147 I just think these people deserve a day off, a mandated day off on Tony Sunday.

Speaker 132 And then I was thinking, you know what?

Speaker 136 I was thinking last night, my girl Audra changes into the Mama Rose, get up, then has to, we know Broadway loves a quick change.

Speaker 89 These actors love a quick change, then has to quick change back into her gorgeous gown.

Speaker 70 I say, take the stress out.

Speaker 136 I used to love a quick change, but now I go, don't touch.

Speaker 174 Let me just sit.

Speaker 136 Cause you want to just, these people deserve to sit.

Speaker 98 I know they're working with a lot of, you know, inertia and momentum and they have to keep moving, but just i give them a moment to just be still and that's one minute i couldn't believe that that was the second time lauda had done that that day in that day

Speaker 92 getting 110 like you were saying i

Speaker 121 was

Speaker 56 so shook by the end of that before

Speaker 115 now i think if you haven't seen it you if you listen back to when i first saw it which was in previews you kind of get what i mean when i say we're going to go on wednesday by the way we're taking suitie i can't wait i'm so excited for you to see it it's great but you get what I mean when I say that I believe that this angle on Rose was talking more about her as someone who was like mentally ill.

Speaker 39 Like, you're not frightened of Rose

Speaker 184 in Rose's turn.

Speaker 87 You're frightened for her. Yes.

Speaker 111 And by the end, I was like, I was like, yeah, I felt her anguish in a way where I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 170 Like in such a crazy way.

Speaker 124 And also, she does eight shows a week.

Speaker 139 She doesn't have an understudy go on, not one day.

Speaker 145 And a lot of the other people can't say that.

Speaker 183 She does eight.

Speaker 126 She does eight.

Speaker 4 That is Audra Mick Dawn.

Speaker 108 Fucking legend.

Speaker 178 Fucking legend.

Speaker 90 Fucking legend for all time. And I thought just the right amount of addressing it at the show last night with Oprah saying, a lot of people talking.

Speaker 133 Yeah.

Speaker 86 This was absolutely lovely to get to know you better.

Speaker 95 I really got to know you and your sexual experiences.

Speaker 96 Taking a doggy in a messy room

Speaker 90 without a clear path to the bed.

Speaker 95 That's,

Speaker 70 That's hiking.

Speaker 90 That's a hike.

Speaker 38 Doggy in a messy room without a clear path to the bed.

Speaker 87 To the bed.

Speaker 97 Is this a Sabrina Carpenter lyric?

Speaker 71 Uh-huh.

Speaker 75 Speaking of that, we end every episode with a song.

Speaker 70 Manchild.

Speaker 71 Look my little eyes.

Speaker 79 Listen to more of that. Listen to Manchild by Sabrina Carpen.

Speaker 73 Stream Sabrina for Once.

Speaker 56 It's real culture number eight.

Speaker 186 Stream Sabrina for Once.

Speaker 104 Sabrina for Once. Bye.
Bye.

Speaker 3 Lost Culture East. This is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeart Radio Podcasts.

Speaker 118 Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

Speaker 188 Executive produced by Anna Hosniye and produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Babe and Monique Laborde.

Speaker 70 And our music is by Henry Kaberski.

Speaker 273 The cuffing season storm is rolling in with potential heavy clouds of nostalgia for your ex, windstorms from our current situationship, and some light drivels of you up, text.

Speaker 15 You know them, you love them.

Speaker 120 But amidst this emotional weather, there's one place with a refreshing microclimate of clear communication, radical honesty, and open-mindedness, and that's Field.

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Speaker 52 So expand your curiosity.

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Speaker 3 And you can change.

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Speaker 45 Starring Kim Kardashian, Naomi Watts, Nisi Nash Betts, Tayana Taylor, with Sarah Paulson, and Glenn Close.

Speaker 272 A team of fierce female divorce attorneys leave a male-dominated firm to start their own.

Speaker 47 Filled with scandalous secrets and shifting allegiances both in the courtroom and within their own ranks.

Speaker 43 These ladies know that lawyers are a girl's best friend.

Speaker 63 Don't miss All's Fair, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers.

Speaker 300 Terms apply.

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More episodes from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

Introducing: CrimeLess

"Elevated Messy" (w/ Rachel Sennott)

"The Protagonist" (w/ Heather Gay)

“Drinkin' The Soda” (w/ Brittany Snow)

"All Up In The Macabre" (w/ Sarah Paulson)