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Look, Matt. Oh, I see.
Wow. Oh, my.
Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes.
Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.
I want to wish my sister, Matt Rogers, a happy 35th birthday. Thank you so much.

And you know, I wanted one thing for my birthday

and it was for us to match.

So we're wearing these gorgeous knits.

I don't think I've really sat down and looked at

and felt the quality.

It's a beautiful garment.

Yeah, it's really good.

It's a nice garment.

Now, just because we're numerology experts now,

we've really discussed numbers of depth.

Yeah.

35 feels like the right age for you. Sturdy.
You think? Yes. I'm meant to be 35.
I think 35 looks good on you. And I think 35, Matt Rodgers at 35.
Like, I will always say this, the name Matt Rodgers, so nice. You like that? It's a great classic name.
You like that? You like that? It's a great classic name. And there's something about Matt Rogers that translates in some essential way to the number 35.
It's like, it's good. You know what? Recently, I was watching a YouTube BTS video with the stars of White Lotus, Michelle Monaghan, Leslie Bibb, and Carrie Coon.
And they were asking each other, what age would you be if you could pick any age? And wouldn't you know what they all said? 35? They all said, I would be the exact age I am right now. I would be the exact age I am right now.
And they were all so gloriously being actresses to each other. And I absolutely love and worship each and every one of them.
Those are three great actors. But it was just so funny because they were like,

I wouldn't change a thing.

I'd be the age I am right now.

And I agree.

I would love to give 30 another go.

You would.

Well, 30 was stolen from us.

30 was stolen from us in 2020.

I would love to just have that year of 30 now, you know,

like which it's fine.

I feel like this is us in our thirties is is an extended obviously sort of like extrapolation of that feeling. You could always be one of the Hollywood legends that lies about their age.
Okay. By the way, you know why you like Matt Rogers? Why? And why I love Bowen Yang? No, a three-syllable name.
And that's actually apropos. Yes, we've got a three-syllable name legend.
Three-syll syllable legend. By the way, thank you for saying happy birthday to me.
I'm so happy. We're in matching looks, not just because I wanted us to be in for my birthday, but we took new photos for the podcast.
Kiss this one goodbye. Kiss it goodbye, even though this is iconic.
And can we just say, this has done us so well.

I like that my pores are visible.

I really do.

I'm not joking.

It's transparency.

It's transparency culture.

We did not expect this to be the one.

This was so good.

This was a good one.

I'll miss this one a lot. I'll miss this a lot.

But you know what?

It had its moment.

It had its moment.

Like the first half of my 30s.

We're turning over a new leaf.

We are officially a nine-year-old podcast. Yes, the podcast.
The podcast is nine years old. March 2016 is when we started.
Now it's March 2025. It sure is.
And who better to help us bring in this ninth year of our lives? I'm very excited. With our three-syllable guest.
Yeah. So basically, this person is is this is how I met this person

on a Zoom audition for the show No Good

Deed. Amazing show.

Which she created

and I was in my bathroom in

New York because it was the only place I could get good lighting.

So I put the Zoom

I opened the Zoom, put the computer

laptop on the top of my toilet.

Yes. This was in Long Island City?

Yes. Yes.
And I was like I hope I can make this in some way charming. Did the Zoom audition and, spoiler alert for the show, I do a lot of cocaine in the show.
So I'm in my own bathroom, like miming cocaine, just like off the shitter. Off the shitter.
Literally, look every time, you don't know this, every time in that audition, I went down to go like,

I'm a light of coke snort.

I was staring into my toilet hole.

That's pretty good.

My toilet hole.

First of all, let's not pretend that's the first time we've ever done that.

Okay, more to come in this episode for that.

Also created Dead to Me.

She has a new podcast with a friend of the show, Justy Klein, we're going to talk all about.

And truly lovely to have her here.

Everyone, please welcome her to yours, my friend, Liz Feldman!

Oh my gosh, I'm thrilled to be here.

Well, it's our thrill.

What are your birthday wishes for our friend Matt?

Talk to me.

A, I wish I knew it was your birthday.

Yeah.

So that I would have come with some sort of gift and or a matching sweater.

Your presence is a gift. I love what you are wearing.
It's a vibrant green. Thank you so much.
Kelly Green. Kelly Green? Yeah.
I would say this is Kelly Green. She's giving Kermit.
She's giving Kermit. Who's the best Muppet? Wow.
Fuck. Fozzie Bear.
Yeah. That's the right answer.
Because I love funny guys. He's sweet too too he's sweet and also for some reason my daughter loves Fozzie Bear and says Waka Waka around the house so what do you think it is about Waka Waka that she latched on to is she does she have the comedy bug she has the comedy bug she does can I tell you that yesterday in the car I picked her up from school gave her a snack wasn't enough she enough.
She was still hungry. And I said, what are you hungry for? She said, hungry for boogers.
Oh. And she knew she was making a joke.
And I laughed so hard that I've only, you know, validated that, you know, boogers are funny. There's something about, she just knows how it hits the ear, not to say boogers, which would have been funny, but hungry for boogers.
I'm hungry for boogers. It's really a strong, strong statement.
What are you hungry for? I'm hungry for boogers. You know who she is? She's the next Sarah Sherman.
If I can be so lucky. I think you might be luck.
I can't believe there are two of these sweaters in existence. Okay, so this is what I wanted to say about this.
We don't even own these. Okay, so my friend Jared, who I'm dying to introduce you to, Jared Frieder, everyone knows him.
That's a reader, Katie Publicis, finalist, or Kyle. He came to help us sort of art direct the shoot.
He buys two of everything. Because he had two of these.
Was this what he was dreaming up that you would be matching? No, because we told him, we gave him like 20 minutes notice. We're like, get down here, we need extra clothes.
I did not pack enough for the shoot. I totally didn't realize that I should have packed for this.
He came with doubles. And this is just his retail behavior is that he buys two of each.
What is that? There's a pathology there. There's a pathology there, but I have to say I feel like it's's really worked out because it's actually sort of stunning on both of you.
Can I say, it really does work on us both. It works on you both.
It does. I'm always hesitant to match because it's all, with Matt especially because it gives Tweedledee Tweedledum.
But that's who we are. I mean, no, I'm not feeling Tweedledee Tweedledum.
I'm feeling Tweedlehot and Tweedlestud. Tweedlehot, Tweedlestud.
Title of that. Okay, so now- Oh my God, I love that for us.
What's the Tweedleblank, Tweedleblank for you and Jesse Klein? Oh, wow. That is, wow.
Tweedle, oh shit. I'm putting you on the spot.
But the new podcast you guys are starting is about adult friendship. That's right.
It's called Here to Make Friends. Here to Make Friends.
And it's really about how hard it is to make friends in your midlife. Yes.
Which you're not quite there yet, but wait till you see. Wait till you turn 36.
Oh, the algorithm is telling me I'm in my middle age. What is it telling you? So a couple of things.
Okay, I almost said my personal trainer, and I guess I am just going to say it because that's what it is. I have a personal trainer I've started with, and he goes to me, the first day we ever started working, he goes, it's actually really good that you started now because at 35, that's when your bone density starts to go.
And then at 36, that's actually when you lose any metabolism you've ever had. So it's really good that we're getting to work now.
And I'm like, and so then I get randomly served on Instagram this like, you know when you flip through the stories and then there's one that's like a targeted ad.

It's like how 35 means you're definitely middle-aged.

It's like all of a sudden,

everything had always told me like,

you're young, you're young, you're young.

And then hit 35 and they're like,

you're middle-aged, you're middle-aged.

We're changing, we're moving the goalpost back.

35 is middle-aged.

I need you not to be middle-aged

because I'm so much older than 35.

No, I feel like middle-aged is 40.

I'm going to be honest.

I'm so much older than 35. No, I feel like middle age is 40.
I'm going to be honest. I'll co-sign you there.
As life expectancy grows, should middle age move up in number? Yeah, somebody said middle age is until you're 60, which I thought was generous. That's kind of major.
That person's a legend that I want to meet. Have them on their podcast.
Yeah, I'll have them on our podcast.

Befriend them.

Yes, exactly. They seem like a good friend.

Do you have a theory on why it's harder to make friendships in your mid-adulthood?

Yeah, I mean, I think in part because when you're a kid, all you have is your friends.

Yeah.

You're just there to play.

You're there to make believe.

You don't have judgment or needs that are clear. Yeah.
I feel like I barely have them now. Because you're 34.
I really don't have needs. Yeah, talk to Matt's trainer because he'll tell you at 37.
At 37, that's where you identify your needs. No, it is true.
You know what I was thinking about the other day? Remember when you were a kid, like a young, young, young kid, remember the sentence, this question, do you want to be my friend? I used to ask that question on the playground and even then it felt so intimate, but it was like this intimacy that you're allowed when you're a child to ask a pure question like that. I could cry.
Truly, but that is true. Like you're allowed to be intimate and vulnerable and yourself when you're a kid.
And I think by the time you get into your mid thirties, forties, I'm just being generous by saying that there is I really just mean over 40. But no, but when you get to be an older person, like there's a history that you have behind you.
There's like a present that you're living in where there's so many stories. Like it's like when you go on a first date with somebody and you're like,

which version of myself of like, am I going to give?

Like, am I going to tell them my brother and my sister?

You know?

And so Jesse and I were really lucky because we became friends in the writer's

room of dead to me.

Yes.

And I knew who she was and she knew who I was.

And we were both sort of like, you know,

excited to be around each other.

And then when we started talking in the writer's room, I realized that like, everybody was just watching us sort of kibitz and chit chat with each other. And like, we just had so much in common and I was so excited.
And I, you know, you feel that sparkle inside with that new friend thing, which, you know, I'm a happily married gay. I've been with my wife for 16 years.
So I don't, you know, I don't get to do the first date thing, but that felt kind of first datey. And it was really like, it was really sweet.
And so we are weirdly kind of like friendship nerds. We love to talk about friendship.
And by the way, you guys are- We're the biggest friendship nerds. But you are such wonderful friends to each other.
Like it's such a pleasure to listen to your show, not just for the funny and the pop culture of it all so that I feel relevant and I sort of know what's going on in the world, but also just because like you are kind to each other. You, you are like the living embodiment of yes.
And. Oh, that is such a nice compliment.
It's true. Very sweet.
That is. Oh, thank you.
My girl that I love. I mean, you guys love each other and it's like, it's, it's snark free in such a a wonderful, like fresh way.
You know what's interesting about that? I think because we were two gays doing a podcast talking about pop culture in the beginning, like in the breakdowns, people would talk about our podcast and we would get snarky all the time. And I'm like, is this just because we're two gay guys? Because we're not snarky at all.
As in like the comments? Like people that were like trying to explain what the podcast was. Oh yeah, they would call us snarky.
And we'd be like, I guess. But that's not...
No, I would actually call you devoid of snark. I would see...
You guys are so authentic and I would say very kind-hearted about your approach to pop culture. We'll quip.
We'll quip, quip, quip. Oh, we'll give you a quip and we'll give you a drag and a reed.
But I... It's real culture number 49.
Oh, we'll quip and we'll we'll give you a dragon to read. But no, I mean, I do think it's like, that's very nice of you to say.
I wonder if it's like, well, it's you and Jesse. So it's like, you guys are obviously iconic comedians.
By the way, two wonderful showrunners I've worked for. So are you actually this thread? Yes, yes, yes.
Jesse Klein showrun. I love that for you.
And this was no good deed. But I wonder, are you actually This thread This comment Jesse Klein Show ran I love that for you And this was No good deed But I wonder Are you kind of Rolling the dice On some people Because you're like Oh we want to be friends With this person Like we're sort of like Oh that's the whole point Of the podcast So you're not You're not playing it safe Oh not at all You're not bringing in like Oh no we are playing it safe Because at first You know how it is When you're first Doing a podcast Of course You need Well it's also like People don't know What your show is so like no we're not gonna Chastain's not coming on yet you know what she will she's never hit the podcast circuit yeah I mean you know so we do have our white whales you know of course as I've heard you guys talk about we totally have our white of course we know we have our white whales but for now we are mostly having guests on that we know on some level because they trust us enough to come on without having heard an episode because the show doesn't come out until March 14th.
But the whole point is that we want to make friends and we feel excited that we got to make friends with each other. So now we're like, who else could we make friends with? And the excuse of just inviting them on the podcast and then essentially like bum rushing them into friendship and cornering them and basically putting pressure on them in front of a microphone to be like, but would you want to have drinks with us? Yes.
And that's like the sort of blue sky fantasy, like not end game, but like that's the, like when you say like, can we be friends? Is that the image? Like eventually we just get like call each other up for like drinks like in proms too. Yes a thousand percent.
Like my ideal or Jesse and I have the ideal that like maybe at the end of the season we would have you know like a last supper. Oh I love that.
You know. Yeah.
You guys are invited. Oh my god.
I'm doing the podcast next week. Yeah but when I we wanted to get you but evidently you're very busy.
busy. I wanted you both on together.
I'm so available. Or if you want to have just him, I think he should have a moment with both of you.
Yeah, he should have a moment because he's like our son. He's your son.
And I'm like the exchange program, you know. Absolutely not.
Kid from the East Coast. So now we know what Bowen really thinks of himself.
No, I'm just like, you know, I'm from East Coast. No, that kind of thing.
But Bowen, if I may take this moment to say what a fan I am of yours. Likewise, Liz, that means so much.
It means so much to me. I am a, you know, obviously longtime fan of the show that you're on.
It's called Saturday Night Live. Correct.
And, you know, I've been watching it since I was a young child,

but you are such

a fucking bright light

on that show

and truly,

and I just,

you're fucking brilliant.

Thank you.

Oh my God.

It's his birthday.

When you get behind that

weekend update desk,

like I just,

I like lean forward.

Yeah.

I get the proverbial popcorn out.

I know it's going to be

fucking great. It's, you know, what I love about it is that it's hit or miss.
But that's the show. It's true.
Nothing's perfect. I love that about working there.
It's like, oh, I tried something. Yeah, but you never fail because you're you.
Liz, that's so nice. It's very true.
Did you check out the 50th?

I did.

Well, I thought there was a very handsome guy on the red carpet.

I thought there was

just a real fucking star

on the red carpet.

By the way, his audition, just to go back to that for

a second, I want you to know where that

audition came from because we were, I had written

the part, we were casting the show,

couldn't find the guy at first. We were looking in, I don't know where the hell we were looking but i couldn't find him and in the middle of the night i shit you not i was like because this is i'm a weird like i wake up with ideas kind of person yeah it was like three o'clock in the morning and i shot up out of bed and i was like it's matt rogers i'm so that happened.
I swear. The spirit moved you.
The spirit moved me. It was like somebody whispered in my ear and then I couldn't shake it.
And then of course you nailed the audition. That's very kind.
You know, it is hard on, it's hard when you audition on Zoom. No, it's terrible.
Yeah, that's the thing. You have clearly, but.
Oh, I do it all the time. I put myself self-tape all the time.
I did it yesterday. Heroic.
It's hard, but I really loved you as someone who obviously, a name I knew and respected so much, when they told me that you were actually going to be on the Zoom, that's when you're like, okay, well, here we go. But it is hard.
It's hard to connect in a way. It's hard to really get adjustments.
It's also, you're seeing someone in a literal screen, which is different than the screen they'll be on ultimately. So it's bizarre.
So I wanted to ask you like as a creator and as someone who auditions people all the time, like, do you miss the in-person auditions? Cause you're a director as well. I mean, you're so multi-talented.
So I would imagine that like part of getting in there and like getting Clay on the Mound and really working is part of what you love and it's so different now. Clay on the Mound is, is that a Sudi Green thing? Yeah, it's like, it's a thing that like Sudi and Celeste and I obviously get Clay on the table.
Clay on the Mound kind of hits the year better. Yeah, Clay on the M mound I'm interested in.
Auditioning is so different now. Well, it is.
Well, if I'm just a person, I like people. I like to sit in here.
I mean, I love the fact that we're doing this in person and not on Zoom. Oh, thank God.
And so, yeah, I really do miss the interpersonal stuff that you get. Also, I used to be an actor.
Right. I know what it's like to go in

that room and, you know, be nervous or unsure of the choice you're making. And then the people are there looking at you.
It's so vulnerable. So I at least want to be there for the people to be like, hey, I got you.
Like, it's fine. There's no like we'll work on it.
We'll do it. You know? Yeah.
So thank you for doing that from your bathroom on Zoom. ultimately it was either that or

I wasn't going to be able to

honestly it's one of my favorite roles I've ever played. Maybe my favorite role I've ever played.
It is brilliant casting because I know exactly what you mean. It's like it's a very specific kind of person.
It is. And for Matt to just sort of be like this perfect invisible hand throughout the entire season and it's just,'s just, he's, you're so good in it.
And Matt Rogers, Ray Romano, what chemistry. I just saw him at the 50th.
Oh my gosh. I mean, that was, you know, all the talk.
First of all, you were incredible in the show and what a great improviser. So many of his best lines were from your head to your mouth, not from my little typey typeies.
Well, that's also you providing a space for that, which is another compliment I'll give you is that like, it's so rare. Okay.
I'll say this good leadership. Like what you show is just rare.
And so one of the things I loved about working with you is how decisive you are when you've gotten what you wanted and how you move on like confidently and everyone else can feel confident around you when, you know, when a leader is just like, we got it and we're joyfully moving on. And, and then no one has to go home and feel strange or odd or anything like that because it's like, we did it.
And Liz always included a fun run. I mean, how would you not? When you have Matt Rogers, you're going to let him do his thing.

I just mean like for everyone at home,

it's just, it's like that take at the end

when you kind of got it and it's one for fun

and it's that chance to like improvise.

And if you're lucky to really connect with a character

and have ideas for it

and like it's a collaborative set, like

I found that a lot of the stuff that was in the show

ended up being from those runs.

I would say you wrote probably half your lines. If not more.
You know, I don't know about that. I don't know if you knew, but just being in that type of environment where it's just like constantly, obviously the cast is the cast.
And if you haven't watched no good dude yet, you should. You should.
I mean, you get to see Matt Rogers with Lisa Kudrow, Ray Romano. I mean, it's, it's Did you ever, this is a weird question because you've worked in the business for so long, but like, do you get star, do you get starstruck? Do you get nervous around talent? Do you guys get starstruck? Yes.
Yes. Definitely.
Oh. Maybe you, do you still? Well, I do.
I've had recent moments of star striking. Yeah.
Especially at SNL 50. Oh, that was crazy.
Well, that was every single famous person in the entire universe was there. And this is not a brag, but there was just a remarkable number of them who were like, I love the podcast.
And we were like, to both Matt and I, because Matt and I watched it. And it was every two minutes.
It was like crazy A-lister. Who were some of the surprises? We can say, we can say.
Clarida Haynes. Clara Danes.
Clara Danes. So basically like, whenever I see anyone like going over to Bowen and being like, oh, Bowen, I'm like, yes, because Bowen, I agree with you, is the star of SNL, is the truth in the light.
I'm like, it's Bowen. And it's the 50th.
Everyone's excited. Talk to Bowen.
Clara Danes turning to me and like just calling me by my first name. I was like, I can't believe it.

Best actress ever.

The greatest.

Like, and then we just like had a moment with her.

Claire Danes.

And then five minutes, two minutes later,

Sarah Jessica Parker, Matthew Broder

coming down the stairs, SJP clocking us,

bowing to us.

Stop.

Wow.

It was SJP.

I mean, that's, she puts the pop in pop culture.

Yes, she does. She is the New York woman.
She is the New York woman. Do you know what I mean? Absolutely.
Yes. Anyway, so like, sorry, to answer your question, and this is just termed into a whole name drop fest, but like.
I mean, I asked you, I'm like asking for that. I'm sucking the names out of it, really.
There you go. But you with Kudrow.
I mean, listen, it's almost like, it's not even that I get, sometimes I get starstruck. Most time I know I'm gonna see the person of course if it's a surprise if it's like I'm running into them at a party and they're like I listen to your podcast like that's that's different that's like you know like sending a like a sweet shiv down my spine you know but like with Lisa Kudrow I had been watching Friends every night and her name came up in casting and I was like, but I watch her on my TV.
I was very excited to meet her, but then I know that I have to present myself as a leader. And thank you so much for what you said.
That's very, very kind to say. But I know I have to like, you know, I have to be confident when I meet her and not treat her like she's this thing that is unattainable to me because then why would she want to work with me? Yeah, because she's very much quite there attainable.
Yes, she's very much right. She's interested.
I'll tell you, this is a true story this morning. I'm getting ready because one of the great parts about my job, especially when I'm in development on like a new thing, is that I get to sit and meet actors and they just like, you know, like they just go, do you want to meet so-and-so? And I go, yeah, it's like going on like a lunch date with the most random, wonderful people.
So this morning I'm getting ready to have breakfast with Pamela Anderson. We were just talking about her in the car.
We are obsessed. And I don't use this word often, a queen.
Yeah. She's a queen.
And I'm looking at myself in the mirror and I don't have makeup on. And I'm like, you know what? She's not going to wear makeup.
I know that that's her thing. So I'm like, you know, do I show up at breakfast with Pamela Anderson with no makeup on? And I take one look at myself in the mirror and I go, you know what? I'm not working from the same baseline as Pamela Anderson.
Stop. Oh, please.
And I was like, spackle it on, spackle it on. She's a Canadian queen.
She doesn't give a fuck about anyone else. She doesn't.
But I wanted to feel like I was presentable. So I did put some makeup on and I was still like a 14th as gorgeous as she is.
Starstruck? I wasn't star ham. No, you just want to be- No, right.
Because again, I'm like trying to be like, let's collaborate on something maybe. But like I do sit in awe is what I'll say.
Like I'm not maybe struck but I I sit in like complete respect and awe of people who especially like her people have been through the fucking ringer yeah because of pop culture because of our thirst for her fame and and her gorgeousness and you know the way in which society has you know objectified her over and over again and truly like turned her into an object, you know? And let me tell you, she's fucking brilliant. Yeah.
She's so smart. So smart.
She's way better read than I am. Like she was making references and I'm nodding.
Like I know what she's talking about. No idea what she's talking about.
I mean, I was just so impressed. So impressive.
She's, um, she has a Criterion Closet episode where she's just like- Really good. Knows every fucking-

She was naming movies.

She was talking about Jenna Rollins movies.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, like, she's just such an impressive human being.

Yep.

And given everything that she's gone through,

like, you know, to have your story be stolen

is I think kind of almost among the worst things

that can happen to a person, you know?

Like, that's her story to tell. And, you know, I get that it seems like it's part of the universe and it's, you know, up for grabs, but that's really rough.
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I will say, going back to what Matt was saying about your leadership, this is such a backtrack, but he was coming off of that set every day being like, I mean, Liz Feldman, what a fucking queen. Like truly was so, so, so happy and grateful and learning so much from that experience.
And it all shows that show is so great. Thank much.
It's fantastic. Thanks.
And also you have to know how nervous I was. Like, because it will be one thing to book a show with Lisa Kudrow.
You know what I mean? Like, cause that's another thing is it's like BTS for the readers and everybody at home. It's like, you open your email, you're lucky enough one day to get any audition because they're very rare now.
You know what I mean? And you open it up and it's like, it's the new Liz Feldman show, which is already so exciting in and of itself. Everyone loves, it's such an exciting name to see yours when you're an actor too, because you know it's going to be, like I would imagine that every actor is taking out all the meetings with you because they love Dead to Me and they see No Good Deed and they see this.
There's just so much potential for them to

do things. You know what I

mean? Like every character is interesting, which

is rare, but

it's like you see and

Lisa Cujo is attached. That would be

enough to give you a panic attack, even on an

audition where you're not actually going to interact.

And then it's like Ray Romano.

The name that really took me out was

Linda Carnelina. Took me

out. Like true

acting hero of mine. And it just didn't stop from there.
I was a huge fan of every single person. And then he goes, it's like the super smash brothers of television.
That's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
And I used it in press. You did, you did.
But it's true. But here's...

I attributed it to you.

No, I did.

I gave you credit.

I didn't need the attribution.

Here's where I'm going to go.

I was about to say,

here's where I go down on you.

Yes, go down.

Here's where we 69 is.

You showed up and I swear to God,

he stole every fucking scene he was in.

Of course.

He stole every scene he was in.

Matt Rogers and Ray Romano

turned into this like comedy team.

I mean, you look out, Bo,

I And I swear to God, he stole every fucking scene he was in. Of course.
He stole every scene he was in. Matt Rogers and Ray Romano turned into this like comedy team.
I mean, you look out, Bowen. Yeah, I know.
I mean, it could be Ray sitting there in that matching sweater. In this sweater, yes.
But for some reason, I mean, like you would never think like Ray Romano, like salt of the earth from, you know, although you're not from too far apart from each other. Because it's Queens and I'm Long Island, so there was enough there.
You know what I mean? But again, again, I've watched him since I was a kid. I'm the same.
I get the vibe. And what a great fucking guy he is too.
Yeah, he's a great guy. It was like a set of menches.
Everyone was very nice. I love it.
Very, very nice. And to be honest, that was like the whole goal that I had is now that I get to be a person who picks actors and hires crew and stuff, I'm like, I want to go to work and be surrounded by people I really enjoy being around.
Nice, kind, talented, but people who inspire me, people who are like, you know, if I'm going to go leave my two-year-old daughter at home and my wonderful wife, who I actually really like, you know, I want to show up to people who I feel like are my family. And it was so nice because we really did create that on No Good Deed.
This is friendship nerding. This is being a friendship nerd.
It's like where you're saying you and Jesse are friendship nerds, right? Yes, 100%. This is nerding out about like the right chemistry of people in a way.
And in the writing, in the writer's room too, I would imagine because what I loved most about the set and I'm experiencing now on another show I'm working on is I go over to Video Village and it's like a bunch of people, like you have such a great group of ladies that you work with. We have a good group.
Like Kelly. Yeah.
Kelly Hutchinson is one of my best friends of 30 years. We were college roommates.
Where to go to college? We went to Boston University. Oh, great.
We lived on Commonwealth Avenue and we were roommates. She was an acting student.
I was a TV student and we used to smoke cigarettes in our apartment with the windows closed. Yes.
Because that's what you did. Because you had a darkener life.
Yes, we did have a darkener life. And we just got like, you know, really stoned on really bad weed and drank horrible wine and have the greatest time.
But she was an actress on Broadway for many, many, many years and was like, you know what? I think I want to try my hand at writing, sent me her script and, and, uh, dead to me was her first show. And we've been working together ever since.
And I mean, she's truly one of my best friends in, I mean, 30 years of friendship. So I have her and then silver tree, who's my producing director is an incredible director, but like we're good friends.
And so I'm just in it for that. Like I'm in this whole business for friends.
That's all it is for me is connections. It's human connection with people.
You know, I want to create that with people at home that I maybe never get to meet, but I also want to create it with the people that I get to see every day. So I was, because of the 50th and everything, I was talking to Kristen Wiig and you guys were in an improv group together years ago.
What were those days? Crystal Wiig is what I like to call her. Crystal and I were, we were in the Sunday company in the Groundlings together.
But even before that, we were in an all female improv group, which was obviously called the last women on earth. And yeah, I mean, like we go way back.
I was a bridesmaid in her wedding. Her first wedding.
That's wild. Yeah, that's my girl.
So this obviously predates SNL. Oh, gosh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we were children.
I mean, I think I met her, I was 22 years old. Wow.
Perfect. In LA? In LA, we met at the Groundlings.
We met on like a wow improv class at the Groundlings, which is just like a drop-in class. And I think we saw each other and we were like, oh, that's, we, oh, you're funny.
Connected. We were connected, definitely.
That's very much us. That's very much us because, and I'm getting all mournful now because I'm like, I think it's still happening.
I think it's coming back from the pandemic, but like something about like improv culture being kind of wiped away is really sad because that was the way that you and I made friends with people at college. It's how I've made so many of my dearest friends.
Truly. That's how it's why I went to BU.
I was visiting a friend, my friend, Dan Fogler, not to name drop, but a wonderful actor. And he was at BU.
He was my best friend from high school. I was coming off a TV show called All That, which was my first show.
I, you know, I've been doing this a long, long time. And I was like, fuck, I just want to go hang out with my friend in college.
He's like, well, I'm auditioning for the improv group. You should just come with me.
I'm like, I don't go to school here. I went anyway, got in and they were like, well, if you went to school here, you could be in this group.
And I was like, well, okay. So I didn't transfer.
I wasn't even going to school. I into the admissions office filled out an application did an interview and i got in and i that's why i went to bu that's crazy that's even more because i would tell people i one of the big reasons i went to nyu was because i like did all my research and danger box was like the group that i was like focused on and then i went but, but that's a whole nother level of like, you were literally led and motivated by that.
I was quite literally, I didn't even know like what I was going to study. I didn't even care about any of it.
I just wanted to be in the improv group. And I made like one of my best friends for life in that group.
I'm still friends with so many of the people from the group, you know, and then out here in LA, I'm all my original friends were from the Groundlings. I did that for five and a half years.
Isn't it wild how that works out? Like we tell this story sometimes, but you know, so many of our friends from those comedy groups, I was a hammer cat. So I did a sketch comedy and Bone was Dangerbox.
He did improv, but we were kind of all one big community. And so many of those people are like still working, super successful, still are friends.
You know what I mean? It's just, I remember when Rachel Bloom won the Golden Globe. We were at home.
Yeah, we were at Bowen's apartment in downtown Brooklyn. And I was like, you know what's wild? Like, I think we might've been right.
Like the people that we thought were special, like actually are. Yeah.
And then that obviously like in so many ways has proven to be true, but it is sort of like, you have to check yourself at that point. You're like, wait, am I, am I okay? Like, am I living in like a, like a simulation where it's just like, how could this be, how could this actually have been the destiny of us all like whatever that means you know i mean not to be rude or whatever but it's like you talk about like the friends that you made all the way back then and like it's really possible to have those communities endure it is it is and i mean like when i was in the sunday company at the groundlings caitlin olson dax shepherd you know and by the way all three of us were cut what you Caitlin Olsen, Dax Shepard.
And by the way, all three of us were cut.

What? You, Caitlin Olsen,

and Dax Shepard were cut from Sunday company?

Yeah, sorry. I have to fix my bra strap.

Fix your bra strap. I guess I'm getting skinny.

You're wasting away

in front of us.

Wait, who the fuck cut you guys?

I mean, listen, it happens, but it is actually

in a weird way the best thing that ever happened to me.

It's like the people at SNL who get cut and it's like you're Jenny Slates who go on and become... I mean, listen, it happens, but it is actually in a weird way, the best thing that ever happened to me.
So it's like the people that doesn't know who get cut and they're like, it's like your Jenny Slade

to like go on and become. I mean, Jenny's brilliant.

So brilliant. I have, I'm friends with

several other gals. Yeah.
And

one thing about S150 is so many of them showed

up. It was amazing.
So many one things and people

came and they were all so happy and they're all doing

so well. So well.

This was my thing. There was just no bitterness

at this thing. And I was expecting even bitterness for me where I'm like, oh God, like, aren't we all so tired? And aren't we all so stressed out about this big show? And it's all led up to this for like so many years.
And it was all love and warmth. It was, and I have to say as a person watching it at home, all six and a half hours of it or however long, it was very long, but I was, I could, I could have kept watching.
My wife and I were so excited to watch it. And you know, like, I mean, that's SNL is, is sort of like a family reunion for the audience too, you know, because so many of us like grew up watching it.
My brother used to show, my brother's seven years older than me. He used to show me episodes that I in no way should have been watching, you know, at like five years old, you know? So, so these are all people that we've all grown up with.
Right. But, but it goes back to this like improv thing where, I don't know, it's just, it's just harder and harder for people to like connect in this like scaled up way where it was like, you were just meeting so many people whenever you were doing shows or whenever you would like do like rehearsals or practices or whatever, you know, like.
And developing together too is such an important thing. I think in terms of grounding friendship, you know what I mean? How many times did we go to each other's shows where there was like 14, 15 people, you know, one time Bowen and I did a show for one person and we were like, it was at the pit underground.
Oh, sure.

I remember the pit.

Oh, yeah. I've been there.

We were performing

as our filthy,

slutty lip sync duo.

Duo Sluck.

Perfect.

His name was Sluck

and my name was Fuck.

Together we were Sluck

and we went essentially

for a half hour.

Why do you guys

come up with this stuff?

That was actually our peak.

That was the...

No, there was a time...

Do you remember when... I would look at my Google calendar.
I bet I still can. There was so many Sluck.
Sluck was all over. Everyone wanted to book Sluck.
Sluck opened for Joel Kim Booster's first special taping. That's right.
Oh my God. That's hilarious.
Sluck was everywhere. Sluck has performed everywhere.
Now I'm embarrassed I hadn't heard of Sluck. No one knows about Sluck anymore but Sluck may return.
Sluck will be at the first Trump Kennedy Center honors. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He wants us. Oh, I love it.
You know what we should do? I'm going to say it right here on air to put the pressure on you. We should get a super group of queer improvisers together and do a charity show for trans youth.
Oh, that would be amazing. Yes, okay.
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
No pressure even. Yeah.
Let's absolutely do that. Because there's some really brilliant improvisers here in LA too.
Oh, yeah. And I've had the great pleasure of like Drew Droege.
Oh, legend. Yep.
I mean, the greatest. The greatest.
Sam Pancake. Some really wonderful people.
Sam Pancake. Yeah.
I mean, there's some, we should do that. We should absolutely do that.
Do you know Brandon Scott Jones? Yes. Yeah, Brandon Scott Jones from Ghosts.
Yeah. He was like- I think I did an improv show with him.
Yes, in fact, he's one of the ones that like from the very beginning, it's just so wild how so much really paid off. I was talking actually in my group chat the other day about how UCB really did create some incredible actors because

of that space in Chelsea. It was like that thrust stage.
And because it was so small and because the audience was so engaged, because there was an era, I'm sure in LA as well, where it just felt like everyone was so excited about improv and sketch. I think it was around, you know, it's definitely 2006,, 2012 ish, around there when SNL was like really hitting in that era because of like, I think like the way it was, you know, corresponding with politics, et cetera.
It was just, it was in the air that like to succeed in comedy, you had to be at UCB and be around it. It felt like in New York.
Oh yeah. We flew to New York from LA with our show just to perform at UCB.
Wow. Did you do Del Close? I did do Del Close.
Wow. Yes.
Yep. The 24 hour.
Yep. Yes.
We went on at some hilarious hour, like four o'clock in the morning or something. The mid shows were the best part.
Four in the morning, three in the morning. That was an incredible experience.
Yeah. That was awesome.
Yeah. Yeah.
At 4.15 in the morning, I went on and did like a thing where it was like everyone, it was all gay guys. And we were all pretending to be Boston straight guys.
And I came out and I remember I ate a carrot off the ground. And I was, and I did this whole stupid bit where I was like, should I eat this carrot? And everyone was like, no, no.
I was told afterwards that it had been in someone's ass, the bit performance before. And you had eaten the carrot.
Someone had put the carrot in their ass and left it on the stage. And when I came out, I didn't know that.
And so I took the carrot. I was like, I'm going to eat this carrot.
They were like, no. I put it in my mouth and ate it.
Let's not pretend that was the first time. Yeah, that's my kink.
My kink is carrot ass. But no, what I was saying was like the style of the stage being thrust.
And because the audience was so engaged and it was so small, it created such good actors because they could do such small stuff. Like I remember Middle Ditch, Aubrey Plaza, Ellie Kemper, Darcy Cardin, Brandon Scott Jones, like all these people that ended up having success in television.
They came from an era where you could develop as a live performer, but it's still, it fed the on-camera work. Because it was black box thrust.
It was just a thrust space. Yes.
So you could like- I missed that space. Kind of like play to your angles.
I don't know. I'm not making total sense, but like it was a way that to like play to like an angle slash camera or just to play to an audience that was in front of you in that thrust setting.
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting that you say that because the Groundlings is a proscenium. It's a much more sort of presentational theater theater.
And the characters tend to be bigger. Yes.
I remember hearing that and being like, should I move there? Because I always got to know that I was too big. Always.
Speaking of Kudrow, wasn't season two of the comeback where she does like Groundlings she does like Groundlings classes? Jimmy Fallon. By the way, Jimmy Fallon should also be in our favorite person.
One of our favorite people. I love him.
He's wonderful. And, you know, I have known him since he was, you know, a wee improviser.
I love him and I'm so proud of everything he's becoming. And so much more to come.
Wait, what were we just talking about before that? Oh my God. I'm talking about Thrust Ages and Pristenia.
Oh, Lisa Kudrow was a groundling. Yeah.
Yes, of course. And then a teacher? And then a teacher.
And she said, recently we were talking, she said she was a terrible teacher. I bet that's not true.
I couldn't do it. I can never teach.
I couldn't either. Nope.
I used to teach Sketch, not at UCB. Oh.
No, I'm not like I can only like lead under great duress. Were you under duress? Because you didn't show that on No Good Deed.
Did you find yourself under duress? No, no. I think I just mean pressure.
Like, you know, external pressure. Like, here's a multi-million dollar budget on your shoulders.
Like, don't fuck it up. Do you like show running? I do.
I do. It's like a sickness, but I do like it.
It's very hard. It's very hard, but it is 11 jobs in one.
I like eight of them. You know what I mean? What are the three you don't like? Therapists.
Yeah. I mean, I actually don't mind that part.
I don't mind the managerial stuff and I don't mind the interpersonal stuff. I don't love the tech stuff.
I don't, I don't love that. And I don't love like props meetings, you know, like just going over, like, here's the proper.
I mean, like, I'm not a detail person, which I'm much more of a macro gal. And my wife is micro, I'm macro.
And so we make a good pair, you know. And but I do really like it because I love coming up with something from nothing.
It's like this part that I'm in right now where I get to just sort of dream up a new world. It's so fun.
I get to people my world. I get to create a writer's room of people I want to spend time with and then think of actors I want to work with.
She pointed to us, everyone. She gestured.
Lucky us. It was more of a, no.
Guys, 100%. I would work with you again in a heartbeat and I would work with you for the first time in a heartbeat.
I would be lucky too. No, no.
Bowen? She offers you a part right here now.

I'm like, wait, I sound right for that.

We don't really compete for,

no, because you don't audition anymore.

Because I don't think I'm good at it.

Bowen?

I'm a bad auditioner.

No, I can cop to that.

He always booked.

Like I remember back in the day

when we both were up for SNL,

I remember I was like,

when you booked that,

I was like, wow, he books, because he would book all the time. And I felt like I had to book SNL in order to make a career happen.
Interesting. I was like, this is the only thing I'll be right for because I always got the note too big, too big, too big.
I just thought I'm never going to work on camera. But me and I are too big for me, baby.
Don't you agree with this now? Like I watch him on No Good Deed and I'm like, there's no one more compelling to watch on screen. First of all, almost every reviewer thing that was written that I read, because I didn't read them all, but like they highlighted Matt Rogers, who by the way is in a cast of very, very, very large cast of characters.
I mean, there's nine series regulars and people are talking about Matt Rogers. That's very kind.
He's in many episodes, but you know, like. I can watch them in anything and any kind of thing.
And yeah, you guys are being too much. I saw you and I love that for you.
And I'm like, who is this guy? I love that show too. That show was gone too soon, man.
I agree. I agree.
I can't believe no one wanted that. Like when, cause they went out, they went out to pitch it again.
And I was just like, this is like, you have so much proof of concepts here. The second season was fully written.
I feel like I can say all this now because it's been a long time but I was just like, that just goes to show the industry is in such a rough spot that that show was good. It had fans.
It had like, you can put it on a Netflix homepage with like Molly Shannon in the fucking literally no reason for people to say no. No reason for a network to say no.
And yet whatever. Well, it was an unfortunate timing thing.
You guys were a victim of a regime change, you know, which is like... Tons of regimes changing.
Anyways, all this is lovely, but there's a question we have to ask you. Okay.
So, Liz Feldman, this is the question that we ask all of our guests and you'll be no different. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? I'm going to say the culture that made me say culture was for me was the original L word.
Wow. You know, this is really good.
So Kate Manning must've been huge. I mean, yeah.
Cause she was on No Good Do You. Icom.
Yeah. Well, here's the true story, which is that, you know, there was nothing for lesbian culture in terms of, you know, really being in the mainstream other than when Ellen came out, but that was a, she really died on the cross for us on that one.
Truly. But it wasn't necessarily about, you know, affecting sort of pop culture.
That was about society to me.

Yes.

You know, her coming out was about changing the temperature of how we feel as a society about gay women.

All respect for what she did. All respect.

But the L word was different because it was a fantasy.

But it was a fantasy that was set in a reality that did sort of exist. It just didn't exist for me.
Sure. You know what I mean? And you're saying the L word is cultural instead of societal.
Yes. I do think the L word is cultural.
I mean, societal, I think, not as a result, but cultural in that. And I, and listen, I'm going to say a few things that may be offensive to other queer women out there, But like, you know, I'm a gay woman who grew up in the 80s and 90s.

You know, we had no role models, no direct role models.

You know, we were grasping at straws.

We were grasping at an MTV VJ Duff, you know, grasping at like the girl from just one of the guys, which was an 80s movie literally before you were born.

But, you know, there was nothing for us that we were grasping at, at, at, uh, Mary Stewart Masterson as some kind of wonderful, who was a straight person, but it seemed sort of gay. There was iconography there that you could relate to in an abstract way.
Yeah. Like, thank you, Katie Lang.
We appreciate your work. But when the L word came out, I remember watching it with my one lesbian friend that I had in Los Angeles at the time and just thinking, oh, my God, it's possible.
It's possible. Where are these women? They must exist.
They must exist. And we were so enamored of this this culture and this sort of group of friends that were created on the show that I kind of think we manifested it because we eventually met them.
Yes. And I was a standup at the time and I was writing and stuff and I was doing standup at Dinah Shore Weekend, which for the dear readers, that is the lesbian sort of like Coachella, if you will.
And I was doing standup and the L Word gals were doing a like, you know you know, meet and greet kind of while the show is still on and somebody took them to come see my standup. And I had been doing the silliest vlogs.
Yeah. I said vlog.
That's right. Don't know.
Say it with your chest. I had been doing these very silly vlogs with some other lesbians where we essentially like recapped the L word we made fun of the l word and recapped it and they had been watching it unbeknownst to me the cast had been watching these vlogs kate menning came up to me and said i'm a huge fan and i almost fainted this is like hottest woman alive sarah desica parker 100 yeah and i was like well i'm gonna of yours and we have been friends ever since.
Oh my god. Dear friends.
She's one of my

dear friends. She's one of my dearest friends.
She's great and no good. She's wonderful.
I wrote the part for her. I mean, it's like, it's, it's who else could be that person? You don't even like, obviously you do know, but like when it hit on Netflix and everyone freaking the fuck out when they saw Linda Cardellini in bed with Kate.

Like, it was such, like,

how much of that was you being like,

teeheehee, the lesbian, I'm feeding the lesbians right

now. You had to know.
I have to think about your audience

a little bit. Of course.
Because then you'll think

back and you're like, you're an audience that wanted that

at one point. Exactly.
You forget about that.

I think that's the most important thing to do

when you are in the very lucky

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Oh, that's crazy. You know what I mean? And it's like, thank you for reminding us of this because it's kind of the same with gay male culture.
We've been spoiled our whole cultural lives. There've always been queer men at the fore in some ways.

But I feel like there was this wasteland of a period in the aughts

and especially in the 90s.

But like, I remember just being on IMDb message boards being like,

is this actor again?

Like that was our only way of figuring it out.

Right.

You know?

And now how many like, not open secrets,

but like how many people just like are gay and are huge stars?

Huge. Like, and they're either out or it's not that they're not out.
It's just not a thing. It's not a thing.
Exactly. It's just no one really talks about it.
And I guess it's better, right? It's better. But it's like you have like a Coleman Domingo who's like a Best Actor nominee twice over now.
And you're like, oh, it's not hampered you in any way. No.
Because it's really not a thing. It's not a a thing insofar as you guys being brunettes shouldn't be a thing and being Asian shouldn't be a thing like you're a talented artist with something to say that should be the thing exactly which gives me hope for like the way that like trans people still keep getting vilified and keep like getting put through the ringer in terms of like oh oh, we like them now or we hate them now.
We like them now. It's like, it seems like society has not figured out how to feel about trans people, especially now, but it's like, oh, but you literally have a trans best actress nominee despite all the things that she's done.
Yeah. She's still a compelling actor.
She still delivered an amazing performance. Yep.
It just gives me, it just, it's like, oh, like if we can extrapolate, hopefully that means something in the near future. That's like pretty incredible.
I don't know. But that is one of the things that I love about the entertainment business and about being storytellers is that we do sort of help society tip, you know? And I think we were so close to a tipping point with the trans community and with the perception of trans people.
And unfortunately, the forces of... They scapegoated them.
They scapegoated them. Yeah.
And they pulled them, you know, in this tug of war to the other side and turned people against them just totally based out of fear and bad statistics. It's also wild because that show, the L word gets rediscovered all the time.
In fact, when I was at Coachella last year, Renee Rapp performed and she had the cast of the L word introduce her because it's her favorite show. Of course.
And just like watching the audience. I mean, you know, the L word came back.

Yes, the next gen. And I think it was the next gen, Gen Z.

Yeah.

You know, that was less for me because I, you know, was more of an OG fan.

Right.

But it was also just, I mean, just even fashion wise and, you know, just the way in which that we present ourselves.

Like, you know, when I was growing up in the 90s, you know, it was very like flannel shirt, unfortunate haircut times, you know, what was the haircut? Um, I mean, I had a mullet. I did have a mullet.
More of a late eighties mullet, more of a late eighties mullet, like more of a junior high kind of vibe. Or like even middle school.
I, my style icon at the time was Alex P. Keaton from Family Times.
By the way, I didn't realize this, that he was like a conservative icon. Well, not an icon, but the bit of him was that he had liberal parents.
And then he was a 1980s, like young conservative man being like, this is the way we're going to do it. Yeah, he was the outlier of his family.
And I love that show unknowingly because I was the outlier of my family. So even though he was playing this like conservative Republican kid, I related to that character because it was almost as if he was the gay kid in his family.
The inverted. Yes.
Yes. I love it.
But then the L word, like the fashion was like on point, they were hot. They had cool haircuts, you know, they did cool things.
They went out. They forged this whole community and life that I just wanted so badly and the irony is that just a few years later I got to have it with those actresses who played those parts manifestation is real baby oh I know it that's So true.
It's also so important to hear you say and to remember,

write something that you would want to watch

because that actually makes creating so much easier.

Yeah.

It's one of those sentences.

I'm almost connecting it to an improv thing,

which is this always makes it easier for me too,

which is if this is true, what else is true?

It's just an easy generator.

But like write something that you would want to watch. It's like, of course, of course I would do that.
You know what I mean? And like, and also if you're thinking about it that way, you're not the only one, you know, like, so it's, it's really easy, fun in. Yeah.
Also, it's going to make it a better, right? Totally. Of course.
If you want to, you know, if that's the kind of thing you're going to be interested in watching, you'll be more interested in writing it too. And it won't make it as painful of a process though.
It's always painful. Yeah.
When was, um, when were you out? So like how far along in your queer journey were you when Elwood fell upon your lap? Oh, I was, I was pretty far. I mean, I was like 26 or 27.
So I mean, that's how long of a dearth I was operating in. And, um, I mean, I was, I, I kissed my first girl at 16, totally seduced by a girl who had gone to boarding school and she knew things I didn't.
And, uh, thank you so much. And I didn't really know exactly what I was cause I had actually weirdly been boy crazy before I had kissed a girl, then became girl crazy.
And so, you know, this was long before fluidity or even bisexuality was like a really accepted thing. Yeah.
And so I wasn't really, I was like still sort of trying to figure myself out. And my mother at 17 years old, so I'm a senior in high school, gave me a letter and she said, you're going to read this in the car and I'm going to drive and you're going to read it in front of me.
And she was driving me to my SAT tutor at the time. And I opened it up and it was two poems.
One poem was a daughter talking to the mother. It rhymed.
And it was something like, I don't know what to say when a girl walks by my way, I think I might be gay. And I'm reading this and I'm in no way, shape or form ready to like come out.

Then the second letter is actually a poem from the mother to the daughter also rhyming.

And it says something like, you know, have no doubt.

We'll figure it out.

Like that kind of thing.

And I was stunned.

So my mother outed me at 17. I'm going to guess a full five years before I would have probably done so myself.
And so that really started my journey. Did that feel like an act of kindness or an act of like shock? Like, oh, I'm pleased.
Yeah, or did it feel like an imposition? It was a shock. I would call it a shock because I wasn't ready.
Of course. And I appreciate that she saw me, but she almost like saw me too well.
It's like, you know, she saw the x-ray version of me where, you know, like it was bones and everything. And I wasn't really ready for that.
And I was mostly not ready to tell my father who at the time was quite homophobic. And so I was like, just please don't tell dad.
I mean, it's 1994, 1994. So please don't tell don't tell dad and then of course that night my father who's like very Brooklyn comes home and he's like your mother said you might have something that you might want to talk about you having some questions and I'm like let me tell you who I don't want to ask these questions to yeah so I said I just I have to say I really admire myself at that age because I was very self I don't know I felt I I was self-possessed and I said, I just, I have to say, I really admire myself at that age because I was very self, I don't know.
I felt like I was self-possessed and I said, yeah, you know, I have been having questions, but it's okay. You know, and you know, I think I like girls, but I also like boys and blah, blah, blah.
And he kind of started to cry, which was very shocking because he's a really tough guy. And then he said, he wanted to go get my head checked by a psychiatrist.
And I said, I'll only go if you come with me. And I was like, it was just such a weird time.
So we went and I was 17. All I really cared about was driving.
Like I wasn't ready to like profess anything about who I would be or end up being with or anything like that. So we go all together.
She gives me a psychological evaluation. We all meet separately with her.
Then we all meet together as a family with her. She said I was the most mentally stable teenager she had ever had in her office and that I didn't need therapy, but she recommended that my parents stay on it.
Wow. Icon.
I swear to God, we walk out of her office. My father gave me the keys to the car.
It's the first time they let me drive the car home. Have you written about this? This is incredible.
I've written a version of it. I did a short film with my sister, Rebecca Feldman, who's a very talented writer and director in her own right.
We did a short film called My First Time Driving. But I should say it's worth a revisit.
It's worth a revisit that's that's stunning just like that image of them allowing you to drive them while they've been told that as full grown adults they may have like more to figure out I mean it's wild I mean when I was a little kid I'll never forget one of the things that my dad told me and I internalized was my dad's also a very Long Island guy. And I remember he said to me, he was like, I know everything.
And if you ever have a question, you come to me and I will give you the answer because I know everything. Okay, cool.
And so I think that he was just trying to make sure I didn't, you know, act out and go try. I think it was well-intentioned.
Everything my father ever did was well-intentioned. But internalizing that and then realizing that he, like any man in the 90s and aughts, you know, like that's like my dad is a varsity football, baseball coach, you know, and then the culture around us, you know, like very like patriarchal male dominated culture.
And I do mean in all ways, as we all know, but to start to feel like my identity was at odds with what that society was saying was tough. And it wasn't like I could go to my dad with that question because I don't know that in 2004, he would have had the right thing to say.
Ultimately he did and was lovely and is lovely and such a supporter and like such a wonderful, lovely man. But it's hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing.
Yeah. And then you realize they're human.
And so it sounds like in that story is what happened was not only did you confront and realize your parents' humanity, but it was confirmed for you. It was.
It really was. And my parents had marital problems.
And I realized, too, it was my mother who had sort of whispered in my ear saying, tell your father that you won't go to therapy without him. Oh, that's odd.
And it was because she really wanted to go to therapy with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she was sort of trying to save her relationship. And, you know, spoiler alert, they're divorced.
And, but, you know, that was the beginning certainly of seeing them as fallible, you know, vulnerable people for sure. And all of that catalyzed by your mom making you read this poem in the car.
Yeah, exactly. It's like something was kind of foisted on you in that way.
Yes. And I think it's because my mom ultimately is a very liberal and very accepting person.
I think she knew who I was for long before I did. And I think she knew that I had a father that would be oppositional to that.
And I think she was also trying to sort of,

you know, embolden me and protect me and also literally change him. And it took a minute,

but he is a totally evolved person in that way. He's 88 years old.
He was-

Midlife.

Yeah, midlife. God willing, I hope so.
But like, you know, he like gave a beautiful toast at my

wedding and you know I mean like he has really come around. It's lovely

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And he has really come around.

It's lovely to see...

People change, sure, but men change.

You know what I mean?

To watch a straight man,

that's a very...

You have to be...

I don't give a lot of credit,

but I will say that you know

I really respect

when my dad stands up

to his friends

who like Trump

you know what I mean

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hey

knock it off

Thank you. I'm surrounded by attitudes that suck.
Yeah. Attitudes that fucking suck.
Yeah. And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey, knock it off.
Like care for women, care for minorities, care for queer people, care for trans people. But there's a lot of people out there doing it.
Yeah. And I think it's important.
And I also, I just want to acknowledge that change is very difficult for some people and you do have to be brave. You have to be very brave to do that.
You really do. You really do.
And I have to credit the fact that my father married a woman 30 years younger than him after my parents got divorced. And so, you know, she has really helped him modernize.
Wait, but can I, can I just say that question you asked earlier of when you were asking, what's the age that you wish that you could be? Yeah. My answer is 35.
Really? Yes. Wow.
Because I got married at 35 and that was such a lifelong goal of mine that I thought would never be possible to be married. Oh, I don't know why I had to make it to 35.
Yeah. My lifelong dream.
And that's on being queer. If I make it to 30, I remember saying that about my life.
Please. The moment I realized I was gay, the moment I remember, I was 11 years old and I remember the moment.
I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I was like I'll die for sure or like the world would have totally changed from what it is right now for me to like ever be okay with this or tell people about this like so yeah honestly like you say I like to make it to 35 but I couldn't see 35 for myself because as you were saying earlier where were the examples examples of it? Exactly. Where were the examples in media of us? Yes.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's true. I mean, like, so, so yeah, this sort of poignant to have, have said that, but I, um, you know, when I was growing up for most of my adulthood, gay marriage was not legal and it was, I took it so personally because why is that a dream I'm not allowed to have? Right.
And so when I finally met my wife, I was 31 and we didn't get married till we were 30, till I was 35 because it literally was illegal because of Prop 8. And at a certain point, I got so mad that I was waiting for like a lot of change to do a thing that I felt very inherently, you know, was my right, was my, was my God given human right to be able to express my love for another person in front of my family and friends.
And so we actually went to New York where it had become legal. We, we got married legally in New York, then came back, had our like wedding wedding in LA and six weeks later, Prop 8 overturned.
Wow. So we didn't wait We didn bit longer.
We didn't wait for the man. No.
Yeah. Yeah, we did it the way we wanted to do it.
That's good. Yeah.
Yeah. But that was a wonderful time in my life, 35, and just, you know, being able to fulfill this dream with this wonderful person, my wife, Rachel.
And so I would say 35. Okay.
I think it's a very, for some reason, You love this age. It's a good age.
It's an age for you. Because it's the age you're going to be next, right? I can't wait.
November, baby. November, okay.
November. He's my Scorpio child.
Oh, okay. Scorpio child.
I'm Pisces. What are you? Of course you're Pisces.
I'm Pisces. Do you know that Pisces are like my people? Oh, I love them.
Because what are you, a Cancer? No, I'm a Gemini. Oh, yes, no.
We all get along very well. Like Scorpio, we have our thing.
We get a bad rap. I think Scorpio and Gemini is really because everyone clutches their pearls when we tell them who we are.
Calm down. Yes, you're right.
You guys are the ones that get the big reaction. And I always get, aw.
Well, Pisces, for some reason, I gravitate especially professionally towards Pisces Silver Tree a Pisces I think we have the same birthday actually a Pisces yeah yes I mean Cara DiPaolo another wonderful writer on the show a Pisces yeah Maddie Dollywalt another writer on the show a Pisces you know what your shows are very Pisces. Oh, how interesting.
I believe that they are. Because it's like with Dead to Me, it's like, which by the way, I just have to say while you're here, that's going to be looked back on as one of the great shows.
That's one of the great shows. Thank you so much.
It's one of the great shows with two of the great performances. Agree.
Agree about those performances. I just, I mean, they're so brilliant, but the fact that it's a relationship that on paper, on the beginning of the show, should not work at all for XYZ and beyond reasons, but it's just the connection and the empathy that they have for each other, because that's really what it's based in, is empathy.
That's very's very Pisces. It is.
I feel like you guys have a very similar... Scorpio Pisces is everything.
I mean, you guys have a lot of empathy for each other and I think that's what I'm talking about when I see there's that warmth between you. It's an irrigated system.
It's water. The pipes are working.
We're a water cycle. We condense.
We precipitate. Okay.
Yeah, we're mixing metaphors, but it still works. I get them still.
It still works. They're mixing, but I'm liking them.
You know why that happens? It's because I often don't understand the metaphor. No, it's true.
I don't quite stick the landing on the metaphor. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart.
That is one of the most Pisces sayings and it's my saying. It used to be on a throw pillow that we would sell on a merch website.
Oh my God, I'd buy that. We will do more.
We'll do it back. We'll do more merch.
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Oh my God, I need some water. So this is I Don't Think So Honey.
And I Don't Think So Honey, to sort of break it down, is a 60 second segment where each person on the podcast, its hosts and its guests or guests goes off for 60 seconds on something in pop culture that absolutely needs a dragging. And I said in the car, we were just driving back from our shoot.
Yeah. And I said, I had something and I'm going to do it.
Okay. This is something that is in the culture and it's remained, it's not having, it's not as big as it used to be, but I still, it's more personal.
Anyway, here we go. Okay.
This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
His time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Cameo. I can't because, and here's the thing.
It's not that I don't like it as a service. I do think so, honey.
Like everyone, like getting, getting money from cameo, doing it, participating in it. Whenever I get a Cameo gift,

I can not watch it.

I'm too embarrassed that the person is talking to me.

Like if I ever opened a Cameo like years ago,

you got me one for my birthday from Sandra Diaz, Twine, Survivor, Icon.

And I literally had to watch it in pieces

like throughout a couple days.

30 seconds.

Because I couldn't believe she was talking to me.

It's so intimate, Cameo. I don't think so, honey.
You're looking at me in my eyes through the phone. My friend Nico got one from Tom Sandoval the other day and I've never watched it because I can't watch Tom Sandoval do a cameo.
I'm too embarrassed. Like it's like, it's just, it's something, I don't know what it is.
It's like when the culture awards happens and people send in their videos, there are ones I have never watched. Five seconds.

I just can't. I don't think so, honey.

Celebrities, live your life. Don't think about me.

Don't talk to me. Don't come out for $35.

Nico got one

for Tom Sandoval to talk to you?

No. It was Nico's birthday

a couple weeks ago and he was

sent one from Tom Sandoval and I

was just like, I saw all my friends talking

about it and I was like, I can't watch

it. There's something about

because I've gotten them from like Housewives

I'm wasting their time but then again it's like they're getting paid and they're getting time. But then again, it's like they're getting paid.
It's a cross-section between vulnerability and inauthenticity. Correct.
It is vulnerable because you're like, they need $35. You know what I mean? It's like getting fucked with a bag on your head.
Exactly. Don't totally get that, but yes.
Again, I don't think I understand my own head anymore. It's intimate, but it's like they don't know who you are, what you look like.
And they're like saying things about you and it feels a little patronizing. Oh, yes.
Because you're an empathic person, you feel a little bit embarrassed for them. By the way, I used to do cameos all the time.
I was going to say, he's been on. I used to make money doing cameos, especially during the pandemic because you could just sit there on your phone and you're made of nothing but time and just cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo.
Like that's not it. It's specifically the act of receiving one.
Now that I've done this on the podcast, I'm going to get tons from my friends who like throw 50 bucks. By the way, it is my birthday.
That's true. Now it's really going down.
If you had to get a cameo from somebody, who would have been? Yes. It would be a housewife.
If I had to get a cameo from someone. Well, you know, I got a cameo from Parvati a really long time ago from Survivor.
And now she's our pal. So I guess who's a housewife I can't really go up to because I'm too scared.
You were quite brave with the housewives. You're braver than I am.
Well, I've been on Watch What Happens Live with a bunch of them but I don't know. It's like maybe one.
Lisa Barlow. Lisa Barlow I've met.
Lisa Rinna. Get me a cameo from Lisa Rinna.
I'll be happy. By the way, she and Harry Hamlin have a new podcast and they get into it yes let's not talk about the husband let's not talk about the husband oh I love that okay so that's mine Bo and Yang do you have an I don't think so honey on today I do I can't believe I have to follow the two of you don't worry please don't worry about it this might still be a topic of conversation by the time this episode comes out I think think if you're talking about it, people are talking about it.
This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and it's time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey.
Oh, the White Lotus theme song sucks now. It's not customer service.
Let Mike White make his creative decisions. He is at the helm of this hit series that you are privileged to be watching.
You're privileged. You are sitting among, you're listening to three people who know the ins and outs of showbiz very well.
And I'm sure none of us here have complaints about the White Lotus theme. It's a new take on it.
It's going to be different. And it's a new location.
As the tagline in the poster says, same luxury, new reservations. Something has to be new.
Really good job, guys. I'm just happy to see Lisa acting down.
Yep, LaLisa. I'm happy to see Parker to see- 15 seconds.
Parker. I'm happy to see Michelle and Leslie and Carrie and all of the stars of the White Lotus season two.
I'm just happy it's back. Oh, I'm so happy it's back.
Everyone's moaning and bitching and groaning about the new theme song. It's because the second one was such a bop.
Of course. But they didn't even, it wasn't, here's the thing.
It's like, had they tried to make a bop this time and it like kind of flopped, that would be one thing. People would have been even more pissed.
But this is just, this is like a score. This is like a different vibe.
It has a tie sort of like inflection on it.

Yeah.

And also the fact that people are even talking

about the theme song,

it all shows you how powerful the show is.

Exactly.

When do you ever talk about theme songs?

In this day and age.

I hear you to even hum another one.

Like there's,

it's very hard to make one that breaks.

Okay. to even hum another one.
It's very hard to make one that breaks through two. That's a 20-year-old theme song.
We love you, Chard, Jessica. Yes, we love you.
I'm loving White Lotus this season. I love it every season.
We're only one deep, though. We're only one deep.
I mean, I'm in. I'm in, of course.
We're one deep. But I watched the first episode twice.
I have to say, my favorite moment of the whole episode was when Carrie Coon goes upstairs and she's been being sort of left out by the friends and she has that one heave of a sob. Yes.
I was like, oh my God, that was... And I was waiting for Carrie Coon to carry Coon.
Oh, I was waiting for some Coon. And you know she's going to Coon out.
She's going to carry down. One of her favorite actors, I would say.
She's a very versatile and very effective actress, I would say. Fucking brilliant.
She pierces. Yeah.
And I love that whole cast. I mean, I think it's great.
You know who else I'm obsessed with is Amy Lou Wood, who's the British girlfriend.

Oh, she's great.

She's great, man.

I have a Goggins head.

I love Walton Goggins.

Yeah.

I love him in everything I see him in. He's going off.

And also, to say nothing of Parker Posey,

and let me tell you something,

a lot of idiots on Twitter dragging the accent.

What?

No, no, no.

Relax, everybody. You relax.
Oh, come on. You let Parker Posey do her thing.
Okay, Posey's going to Posey. And let me tell you, what a delight.
She just opens her mouth and I'm like, I just, I'm like smiling immediately. I just, there's something that she can just fucking eat the scenery.
I love it. She wasn't the queen of indie movies for nothing.
She knows what she's doing, everybody. Calm down.
You don't know how to make a choice better than her and I would suggest you shut up. Or re-watch Waiting for Guffman.
Can you please? In this last episode, she goes, scratch my arm. I love that.
I wonder if that was a fun run. But I bow down to Mike White.
He's so good at what he does and evidently he does it all by himself, which is so impressive because I need a room full of writers to lift me up and to help me see everything through. Brilliant.
You know who's going to be on the show in a few weeks? Speaking of amazing actress created by UCB, Natasha Rothwell is finally

coming on Lost Colch. Oh my gosh.

We are so excited. UCB legend.

Huge fan of hers. Huge fan.

Yes, I love her.

Alright, it's time.

I feel, okay, I hope,

okay. Yes, okay, so this is

a big moment. It's a big moment.
This is Liz

Feldman's I Don't Think So, honey. Are you ready?

I don't know if I'm ready. Yes, you are.
Okay, this is Liz Feldman's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
I don't think so, honey. The Pete's Coffee Shop moving in across the street from the fancy Starbucks, which is next to the blue bottle, which is literally also across the street from a coffee bean in my neighborhood.
No! Yes! There is an empty, beautiful piece of retail real estate that could be literally anything. Yeah.
But it's going to be a Pete's coffee. Look, I have nothing against Pete's and I will probably even go there first as like just as an experience to explore.
Of course. 30 seconds.
But then probably also just every day because it's on my side of the street. But Jesus fucking Christ, how many coffee shops can one square block hold before a fucking sinkhole forms and we all get sucked into the abyss of corporate caffeine-driven capitalism? The empire is falling, honey.
No one needs that many options for where to get a peppermint, gingerbread, caramel, chakamakalate. Yes! Okay, it could be literally anything.
Five seconds. It could be a Planned Parenthood.
It could be a trans healthcare clinic or a Xanax store.

I won't because of RFK.

Oh, and that's one minute.

A fourth coffee shop.

I wish I was exaggerating.

A fourth coffee shop in one square block.

Can I ask?

Yes.

Favorite of the four.

Yep, that's the doubt.

And why is it inserted here?

I'm going to be honest.

I walk past all four.

However, like go to a local coffee shop. You're so right.
Yeah. And I usually do.
I was going to say blue bottle. I like a blue bottle, but it's Starbucks.
It's Pete's eventually, but it's Starbucks blue bottle. What's the fourth one? Coffee bean.
Coffee bean. Yeah.
I do like a coffee bean. It's a coffee bean, but it is a coffee bean in a parking lot.
It's in a parking lot of an Albertsons. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is a big Albertsons, that one. She's a big girl.
Big girl. We used to have Albertsons in Colorado.
They're all gone now. I think the only ones that are left are in California.
That's sad. Not me mourning.
A chain. After Liz just artfully took down our corporate driven group.
I have nothing wrong with corporate entities.

And I shop at places that are very corporate.

Well, this is an I Heart podcast, so shape up.

Yeah, no, no.

I love you.

I Heart, I Heart.

I Heart, I Heart.

I Heart, I Heart.

But truly, if you're going to peel back your efforts to help people and employ people and protect people, then I'm going to peel back my dollars. There you go.
100%. It is egregious to have four on one block.
That's crazy. That's silly.
Like when, when that space opened, it could, we were so excited by the infinite possibilities. A bagel store mayhaps.
Of course. You know, a flower shop that things.
You love Mayhaps. I do.
You know what's so funny? You wrote Mayhaps into one of my character's lines. I sure did.
And I had never heard anyone say the word Mayhaps before. I love Mayhaps.
We're connected. Yeah, we are.
Is Mayhaps in the show? Do I say Mayhaps? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you do.
Yeah. What is it? A mouse per snaps? Per snaps.
Per snaps. Per snaps is Kelly.
Kelly took Mayhaps and fucking, and put it on its little side for per snaps. But yeah.
Per snaps is Mayhaps's like cool queer sibling. Sister, yeah, definitely.
You queer words. Yeah.
And I appreciate that as someone who also does this. Yes.
I feel like we are very simpatic. I love wordplay.
Sorry, I said it. But I do.
I love to. I'm a lady of letters.
And I like to mix it around and make them sound fun. There was one improv I did that there was like a tiny little meeting about whether it was too much of a swing.
And they left it in. Do you know what I'm talking about? Sigourns? We hit a slight Snagorny Weaver.
No. You have to keep it.
They were like, he has to do it the real way because we don't know but we do like it. Let me tell you what made it into the show and let me tell you what made me laugh every single fucking time in editing.
We hit a little Snagorny Weaver. It's so good.
That's an ad lib? That's an ad lib. Matt Rogers.
Also an ad lib. Ray and they're well I don't want to give anything away for people but he's with Ray and there's maybe a room that like maybe has a little bit of a stench and Ray's trying to say oh it's rat piss and he's like that's human piss.
I know what human piss smells like. I was single once.
I loved that line. I was single once as him.
It tells you so much about the character. It does.
It does. This has been so much fun.
I agree. What an honor.
I feel honestly like when I was asked to come on, I really thought I was like dreaming or something. This is like truly, truly a dream.
Super honored. I'm a big fan of you both.
I think you're both incredible humans and also just hilarious and a gift. Liz, you're a true culture maker and you literally, I'm so glad we got to talk about the arc of the L word now for you, which is truly speaking to your impact and the way you put really important things into the world.
And I feel like I, this, this is going to kill me for saying this, but I go on your Instagram and I'm like, oh, thank God.

You're still on it.

You're still out there saying the thing politically.

You do be saying the stuff.

And it's important.

No, it's important.

You say the stuff.

And I love that you say the stuff.

I need to say the stuff more.

Both of you are motivating me to say the stuff more.

I think right now the stuff needs to be said.

And if we're not going to say it, who will?

Yeah. I mean, and with that, here

to make friends, March 14th,

which is a

Friday!

Which is the best day

outside of today. It's been a

lovely day. And you can

stream these Netflix

series, Dead to Me and No Good

Deed, because Liz is the best

and we end every episode

with a song.

Yeah.

Can't wait.

Is that a key change?

I never thought about that before.

It's a key change.

The Sex and the City theme

has a key change.

That's actually

rule of culture number four. The Sex and the City theme has a key change.
That's actually rural culture number four.

The Sex and the City theme has a key change.

Bye.

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