"Do You Want To Be My Friend?" (w/ Liz Feldman)

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Speaker 1 Look, Matt.

Speaker 1 Oh, I see. My eye.
Oh, my. Bowen, look over there.
Wow, is that the culture? Yes, goodness. Wow.
Las Culturistas.

Speaker 1 Ding-da! Las Culturistas calling.

Speaker 1 I want to wish my sister, Matt Rogers, a happy...

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. And you know, I wanted one thing for my birthday, and it was for us to match.
So we're wearing these gorgeous knits.

Speaker 1 I don't think I've really sat down and looked at and felt the quality. Beautiful garment.
Yeah, it's really good. It's a nice garment.

Speaker 1 Now, just because we're numerology experts now, we've really discussed numbers at depth. Yeah.
35 feels like the right age for you. Sturdy.
You think? Yes. I'm meant to be 35.

Speaker 1 I think 35 looks good on you. And I think 35, Matt Rodders at 35.
Like, I will always say this, the name Matt Rogers.

Speaker 1 So nice. You like that? It's a great classic name.
You like that? You like that? It's It's a great classic name.

Speaker 1 And there's something about Matt Rogers that translates in some essential way to the number 35. It's like, it's good.
You know what?

Speaker 1 Recently, I was watching a YouTube BTS video with the stars of White Lotus, Michelle Monaghan, Leslie Bibb, and Carrie Kuhn.

Speaker 1 And they were asking each other, what age would you be if you could pick any age? And wouldn't you know what they all said? 35? They all said, I would be the exact age I am right now.

Speaker 1 i would be the exact age i am right now and they were all so gloriously being actresses to each other and i absolutely love and worship each and every one of them those are three great actors but it was just so funny because they were like i wouldn't change a thing i'd be the age i am right now and i agree

Speaker 1 i would love to give

Speaker 1 30 another go you would well that was 20 30 was stolen from us 30 was stolen from us in 2020.

Speaker 1 i would love to just have that year of i'm 30 now you know like which what it's fine i feel like this is is us in our 30s is an extended, obviously sort of like extrapolation of that feeling.

Speaker 1 You could always be one of the Hollywood legends that lies about their age. Okay.
Okay. Now, by the way, do you know why you like Matt Rogers? Why? And why I love Bo and Yang? No, a three syllables.

Speaker 1 Three syllable name. And that's actually apropos.

Speaker 1 Yes, we've got a three syllable name legend. Three syllable legend.
By the way, thank you for saying happy birthday to me. I'm so happy.

Speaker 1 We're in matching looks not just because I wanted us to be in for my birthday, but we took new photos for the podcast. Kiss this one goodbye.
Kiss it goodbye, even though this is iconic.

Speaker 1 And can we just say, this has done us so well? I like that my pores are visible. I really do.
I'm not joking. It's transparency.
It's transparency culture. We did not expect this to be the one.

Speaker 1 This was so good. This was a good one.
I'll miss this one a lot. I'll miss this a lot.
But you know what? It had its moment. It had its moment.
Like the first half of my 30s.

Speaker 1 We're turning over a new leaf. We are officially a nine-year-old podcast yes the podcast this is the podcast is nine years old march 2016

Speaker 1 now it's march 2025 it sure is and um who better to help us ring in this ninth year of our lives i'm very excited with our three syllable guests yeah so basically this person is this is how i met this person on a zoom audition for the show no good deed

Speaker 1 amazing show

Speaker 1 which she created and i was in my bathroom in New York because it was the only place I could get good lighting. So I put the Zoom, I opened the Zoom, put the computer laptop on the top of my toilet.

Speaker 1 Yes. This was in Long Island City.
Yes. Yes.
And I was like, I hope I can make this in some way charming. Did the Zoom audition.
And spoiler alert for the show. I do a lot of cocaine in the show.

Speaker 1 So I'm in my own bathroom, like miming cocaine, just like off the shitter. Off the shitter.
Literally, look, every time, you don't know this.

Speaker 1 Every time in that audition, I went down to go like my mom line of Coke Snort, I was staring into my toilet hole. That's pretty good.
My toilet hole.

Speaker 1 First of all, let's not pretend that's the first time you've ever done that.

Speaker 1 Okay, more to come in this episode for that. For that.

Speaker 1 Also created Dead to Me. She has a new podcast with a friend of the show, Jesse Klein.
We're going to talk all about. And truly lovely to have her here.

Speaker 1 Everyone, please welcome it to yours, my friend, Liz Beldman.

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh, man. I'm thrilled to be here.
Well, it's our thrill. What are your birthday wishes for our friend Man? Talk to me.
Hey, I wish I knew it was your birthday. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that I would have come with some sort of gift and or a matching sweater. Your presence is a gift.
I love what you are wearing. It's a vibrant green.
Thank you so much. Kelly Green.
Kelly Green?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would say this is Kelly Green.
She's giving Kermit. She's giving Kermit.

Speaker 1 Who's the best Muppet? Wow. Fuck.

Speaker 1 Fozzie Bear. Yeah, that's the right answer.
Well, because I love funny guys. He's sweet, too.
He's sweet. And also, for some reason, my daughter loves Fozzie Bear and says Waka Waka.
Oh,

Speaker 1 so. What do you think it is about Waka Waka that she latched on to? Does she have the comedy bug? She has the comedy bug.
She does.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you that yesterday in the car, I picked her up from school, gave her a snack. Wasn't enough.
She was still hungry. Hilarious.
And I said, what are you hungry for?

Speaker 1 She said, hungry for boogers. Oh, and she knew she was making a joke.
And I laughed so hard that I've only, you know, validated that, you know, boogers are funny.

Speaker 1 There's something about, she just knows how it hits the ear, not to say boogers, which would have been funny, but hungry for boogers.

Speaker 1 I am hungry for boogers, which I think is really a strong, strong statement. What are you hungry for? I'm hungry.
I'm hungry for a booger. You know, she'll laugh out loud.

Speaker 1 She's the next Sarah Sherman. She's the next Sarah Sherman.

Speaker 1 No higher price. I could be so lucky.

Speaker 1 I think you might be luck. Wow.
I can't believe there are two of these sweaters in existence. Okay, so this is what I wanted wanted to say about this.
We don't even own these.

Speaker 1 Okay, so my friend Jared, who I'm dying to introduce you to, Jared Freeder, everyone knows him.

Speaker 1 That's a reader, Katie Publicist, finalist, or Kyle. He came to help us sort of art direct the shoot.
He buys two of everything. Because he had two of these.

Speaker 1 Was this what he was dreaming up that you would be matching? No, because we...

Speaker 1 told him we gave him like 20 minutes notice we're like get down here we need extra clothes like we i did not pack enough for the shoot i totally didn't realize that i should have packed for this he came with doubles and it, this is just a thing.

Speaker 1 His retail behavior is that he buys two of each. What is that?

Speaker 1 There's a pathology there. There's a pathology there, but I have to say, I feel like it's really worked out because it's actually sort of studding on both of you.
Can I say it?

Speaker 1 It really does work on us both. It works on you both.
It does. I'm always hesitant to match because it always with Matt, especially because it gives Tweedle D, Tweedledum.
But that's who we are.

Speaker 1 I mean, no,

Speaker 1 I'm not feeling Tweedledee, Tweedledum. I'm feeling Tweedlehot and tweedlestud tweedle hotel

Speaker 1 Okay, so now oh my god, I love that for us. What are the what's the tweedle blank tweedle blank for you and Jesse Klein? Oh wow, that is um uh wow tweedle oh shit

Speaker 1 But the new podcast you guys are starting is about adult friendships. That's right.

Speaker 1 It's called Here to Make Friends here to make friends and it's really about how hard it is to make friends in your midlife. Yes.
Which you're not quite there yet, but wait till you see.

Speaker 1 Wait till you turn 36. Oh, the algorithm.
The algorithm is telling me I'm in my middle age. What is it telling you? So a couple of things.
My per okay, I almost said my personal trainer.

Speaker 1 And I guess I am just going to say it because that's what it is. I have a personal trainer I've started with.
And he goes to me the first day we ever started working.

Speaker 1 He's like, he goes, it's actually really good that you started now because at 35, that's when your bone density starts to go.

Speaker 1 And then at 36, that's actually when you lose any metabolism you've ever had. So it's really good that we're getting to work now.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 and so then I get randomly served on Instagram this like, you know, when you flip through the stories and then this one that's like a targeted ad? It's like how 35 means you're definitely middle-aged.

Speaker 1 It's like all of a sudden everything had always told me like, you're young, you're young, you're young. And then hit 35 and they're like, you're middle-aged.
You're middle-aged.

Speaker 1 We're changing the, we're moving the goalpost back. 35 is middle age.
I need you not to be middle-aged because I'm so much older than 35. No,

Speaker 1 no, I feel like middle age is 40. I'm going to be honest.
I'll coast on you. Yeah.
Yeah. Your life expectancy grows.
Thank you. and middle age increase, like move up in number.

Speaker 1 Yeah, somebody said middle ages until you're 60, which I thought was generous. That's that's kind of major.

Speaker 1 That person's alleged that I want to meet. You should have them on their podcast.
No, I'll have them on our podcast. Befriend them.
Yes. They seem like a good friend.

Speaker 1 Do you have a theory on why it's harder to make friendships in your mid-adulthood? Yeah, I mean, I think in part because when you're a kid, all you have is your friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're just there to play. You're there to make believe.

Speaker 1 You're, you know, you don't have judgment or, you know needs that are clear yeah you know i i feel like i barely have them now you're because you're 34.

Speaker 1 i don't have i really don't have needs yeah talk to uh matt's trainer because he'll tell you at 37.

Speaker 1 i'm 37

Speaker 1 yeah um no it is true i've just you know what i was thinking about the other day remember when you were a kid like a young young young kid remember the sentence this question do you want to be my friend yeah i used to ask that question on the playground And even then, it felt so intimate, but it was like this intimacy that you're allowed when you're a child to ask a pure question like that.

Speaker 1 I could cry. Truly.
But that is true. Like, you're allowed to be intimate and vulnerable and yourself when you're a kid.

Speaker 1 And I think by the time you get into your mid-30s, 40s, I'm just being generous by saying mid-30s, I really just mean over 40.

Speaker 1 But no, but when you get to be an older person, like there's a history that you have behind you.

Speaker 1 There's like a present that you're living in where there's so many stories. Like it's like when you go on a first date with somebody.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And you're like, which version of myself of like, am I going to give? Like, am I going to tell them my brother and my sister?

Speaker 1 And, and so Jesse and I were really lucky because we became friends in the writer's room of Dead to Me. Yes.
And I knew who she was and she knew who I was.

Speaker 1 And we were both sort of like, you know, excited to be around. Excited to be around each other.

Speaker 1 And then when we started talking in the writer's room, I realized that like everybody was just watching us sort of kibbets and chit chat with each other. And like we just had so much in common.

Speaker 1 And I was so excited. And I, you know, you feel that sparkle inside with that new friend thing, which, you know, I'm a happily married gay.
I've been with my wife for 16 years.

Speaker 1 So I don't, you know, I don't get to do the first date thing, but that felt kind of first datey. And it was really like, it was really sweet.
And so we, we are weirdly kind of like friendship nerds.

Speaker 1 We love to talk about friendship. Yeah.
And by the way, you guys are. We're the biggest friendship nerds.
But you are such wonderful friends to each other.

Speaker 1 Like it's such a pleasure to listen to your show, not just for the the funny and the, and the pop culture of it all, so that I feel relevant and I sort of know what's going on in the world, but also just because like you are kind to each other.

Speaker 1 You, you are like the living embodiment of yes and.

Speaker 1 Oh, that is such a nice compliment. It's very sweet.
That is

Speaker 1 my girl that I love. I mean, you guys love each other and it's like, it's, it's snark free in such a wonderful, like fresh way.
You know what's interesting about that?

Speaker 1 I think because we were two gays doing a podcast, talking about pop culture in the beginning, like in the breakdowns, people would talk about our podcast and we would get snarky all the time.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, is this just because we're two gay guys? Because we're not snarky at breakdowns, like as in like the comments? Like people that were like trying to explain what the podcast was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they would call us snarky and we'd be like, I guess, but that's not. No, I would, I would actually call you devoid of snark.

Speaker 1 I would see you guys are so like authentic and I would say very kind-hearted about your approach to pop culture. We'll quip.
We'll quip, quip, quip.

Speaker 1 Oh, we'll give you a quip and we'll give you a dragon to read.

Speaker 1 But I don't.

Speaker 1 It's real culture number 49. Oh, we'll quit! And we'll give you a dragon read.

Speaker 1 But no, I mean, I do think it's like, that's very nice of you to say. I wonder if it's like,

Speaker 1 well, it's you and Jesse. So it's like, you guys are obviously iconic comedians.
By the way, two wonderful showrunners I've worked with.

Speaker 1 So are you actually

Speaker 1 this thread? Yes, this common

Speaker 1 Jesse Klein showran. I love that for you.

Speaker 1 And this was no good deed. But I wonder, are you kind of rolling the dice on some people because you're like, oh, we want to be friends with this person?

Speaker 1 Like, we're sort of like the whole point of this.

Speaker 1 So you're not, you're not playing it safe. Oh, not at all.
You're not bringing in like. Oh, no, we are playing it safe because at first, you know how it is when you're just doing a podcast.
Of course.

Speaker 1 You need, well, it's also like people don't know what your show is. So, like, no, we're not going to, Chastain's not coming on yet.

Speaker 1 You know what? She will.

Speaker 1 She's never hit the podcast or no. Yeah, I mean, you know, so we do have our white whales, you know, of course, as I've heard you guys talk about.

Speaker 1 Of course, we know we have our white whales, but for now, we are mostly having guests on that we know on some level because they trust us enough to come on without having heard an episode because the show doesn't come out until March 14th.

Speaker 1 But the whole point is that we want to make friends and we feel excited that we got to make friends with each other. So now we're like, who else could we make friends with? Yes.

Speaker 1 And the excuse of just inviting them on the podcast and then essentially like bum rushing them into friendship. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 And cornering them and basically putting pressure on them in front of a microphone to be like, but would you want to have drinks with us?

Speaker 1 Yes. Answer is always there.
that's like the sort of blue sky fantasy, like, not end game, but like that's the goal. Like when you say like, can we be friends? Is that the image?

Speaker 1 Like eventually we just get like call each other up for like drinks like impromptu. A thousand percent.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Like my, my ideal or Jesse and I have the ideal that like maybe at the end of the season we would have you know like a like a last supper. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 You know? Yeah. You guys are invited.
Oh my God. I'm joining the podcast next week.
Yeah, Bowen, I, we wanted to get you, but evidently you're very busy. I wanted you both on together.
So available.

Speaker 1 Or if you want to have just him, I think he should have a moment with both of you. Yeah, he should have a moment because he's like our son.

Speaker 1 He's your son, and I'm like the exchange program, you know. Absolutely not.
Kid from exchange program?

Speaker 1 Is that what you, that is, so now we know what Bowen really thinks of himself.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just like, you know, I'm from, I'm from the East Coast.

Speaker 1 You know, that kind of thing. But you got to be able to do that.
Bowen, if I, if I may take this moment to say what a fan I am of yours.

Speaker 1 Likewise, Liz. That means so much.
It means so much to me. I am a, you know, obviously longtime fan of the show that you're on.
It's called Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I've been watching it since I was a young child, but you are such a fucking bright light on that show and truly.

Speaker 1 And I just, you're fucking brilliant. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Brilliant. Oh my God.
It's when you get behind that.

Speaker 1 But when you get behind that weekend update desk, like I just, I like

Speaker 1 lean forward. Yeah.
I get the proverbial popcorn out. I know it's going to be fucking great.
It's, you know, what I love about it is that it's hit or miss.

Speaker 1 But that's, but that's the show. But that is, I mean, it's true.
Nothing's perfect. Nothing's perfect.
And I love that about working there. It's like, oh, I tried something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you never fail because you're you. Ugh, Les.
That's so nice. It's very, it's true.
It's true. Did you check out the 50th?

Speaker 1 I did. I did.

Speaker 1 Well, I thought there was a very handsome guy on the red carpet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought there was just a real fucking star on the red carpet. Didn't he look crazy?

Speaker 1 By the way, his audition, just to go back to that for a second, I want you to know where that audition came from because we were, I had written the part, we were casting the show, couldn't find the guy at first.

Speaker 1 We were looking in, I don't know where the hell we were looking, but couldn't find him. And in the middle of the night, I shit you not.

Speaker 1 I was like, because this is, I'm a weird, like, I wake up with ideas kind of person. It was like three o'clock in the morning and I shot up out of bed and I was like, it's Matt Rogers.

Speaker 1 It's Matt Rogers. What am I doing? What are you doing? I'm so happy that that happened.
I swear it. The spirit moved me.
The spirit moved me.

Speaker 1 It was like somebody whispered in my ear, and then I couldn't shake it. And then, of course, you nailed the audition.
That's very kind. You know, it is hard on, it's hard when you audition on Zoom.

Speaker 1 No, it's terrible. Especially when

Speaker 1 you're, yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 You have clearly, but oh, I do it all the time. I put myself on the self-tape all the time.
I did it yesterday. Like, it's heroic.
It's hard.

Speaker 1 But I really loved you as

Speaker 1 someone who obviously a name I knew and respected so much when they told me that you were actually going to be on the Zoom. That's when you're like, okay, well, you know, here we go.
But it is hard.

Speaker 1 It's, it's hard to like connect in a way. It's hard to really get adjustments.
It's also, you're seeing someone in a literal screen, which is different than the screen they'll be on ultimately.

Speaker 1 So it's bizarre. So I wanted to ask you, like, as a creator and as someone who auditions people all the time, like, do you miss the in-person auditions? Cause you're a director as well.

Speaker 1 I mean, you're so multi-talented. So I would imagine that like part of getting in there and like getting Clay on the Mound and really working is part of what you love.
And it's so different now.

Speaker 1 Clay on the Mound. Clay on the Mound is, is that a Sudie Green thing? Yeah, it's like, it's a thing that

Speaker 1 Sudie and Celeste and I always say, like, get Clay on the table. Clay on the table.

Speaker 1 I like Clay on the Mound kind of hits the ear better. Yeah, Clay on the Mound.
I'm interested in him.

Speaker 1 Auditioning is so different now. Well, it is.
Well, if I'm just a person person, I like people. I like to sit and hear.
I mean, I love the fact that we're doing this in person and not on Zoom.

Speaker 1 And so, yeah, I really do miss the personal, the interpersonal stuff that you get. Also, I used to be an actor.

Speaker 1 So I know what it's like to go in that room and, you know, be nervous or unsure of the, the choice you're making. And then the people over there are looking at you.
It's so vulnerable.

Speaker 1 So I at least want to be there for the people to be like, hey, I got you. Like, it's fine.
There's no, like, we'll work on it. We'll do it.

Speaker 1 You know, so thank you for doing that from your bathroom on Zoom.

Speaker 1 like ultimately it was either that or like i wasn't gonna be able to do it it honestly is my one of my favorite roles i've ever played maybe my favorite role i've ever played it is brilliant casting because i know exactly what you mean it's like it's a very specific kind of person

Speaker 1 and for matt to just sort of be like this perfect

Speaker 1 invisible hand throughout the entire season and say like it's just he's you're so good in it and so good in it and matt rogers ray romano what chemist what the hell you knew i just saw him at the 50th and he he was at 50.

Speaker 1 Oh, so excited. Oh, my gosh.
I mean, that was, you know, all the talk. First of all, you were incredible in the show.
And what a great improviser.

Speaker 1 So many of his best lines were from your head to your mouth, not from my little typey-typey.

Speaker 1 Well, that's also you providing a space for that, which is another compliment I'll give you is that like, it's so rare. Okay, I'll say this.
Good leadership, like what you show is just rare.

Speaker 1 And so one of the things I loved about working with you is how decisive you are when you've gotten what you wanted and how you move on like confidently.

Speaker 1 And everyone else can feel confident around you when, you know, when a leader is just like, we got it and we're joyfully moving on.

Speaker 1 And then no one has to go home and feel strange or odd or anything like that because it's like, we did it. And Liz always included a fun run.
I mean, how did you not?

Speaker 1 When you have Matt Rogers, you're going to let him do his thing. No one.

Speaker 1 I just mean like for everyone at home, it's just, it's like that take at the end when it's kind of got it and it's one for fun and it's that chance to like improvise.

Speaker 1 And if you're lucky to really connect with a character and have ideas for it and like it's a collaborative set, like I found that a lot of the stuff that was in the show ended up being a good thing.

Speaker 1 I would say you wrote probably half your lines.

Speaker 1 If not more. You know, I don't know about a writer.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you knew.

Speaker 1 But like, just being in that type of environment where it's just like.

Speaker 1 constant like obviously the cast is the cast and if you haven't watched no good dude yet you should you should i mean you get to see matt rogers with lisa kudro ray romano i mean it's it's pretty amazing did you ever this is a weird question because you've you've worked in the business for so long but like do you get star do you get starstruck do you get nervous around do you guys get starstruck yes

Speaker 1 definitely oh maybe you do you still well i do i've had recent moments of star striking yeah especially at snl 50.

Speaker 1 oh my god well that was every single famous person in the entire universe was there and this is not a brag but there was just a remarkable number of them who were like i love the podcast.

Speaker 1 And we were like, and both Matt and I, because Matt and I watched it. And it was like every two minutes, it was like crazy A-lister.
Who are some of the stuff that we're talking about?

Speaker 1 Claire Danes.

Speaker 1 So basically, like, whenever I see anyone like going over to Bowen and being like, oh, Bowen, I'm like, yes, because Bowen, I agree with you, is the star of SNL, is the truth and the light.

Speaker 1 I'm like, it's Bowen. And it's the 50th.
Everyone's excited. Talk to Bowen.
Claire Danes turning to me and like just calling me by my first name. I was like, I can't believe it.
Best actress ever.

Speaker 1 The greatest. Like, and then we just like had a moment with her.
Sarah Danes. And then five minutes, two minutes later, Sarah's character,

Speaker 1 Matthew Browder coming down the stairs, SJP clocking us, bowing to us.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 And then SJP. SJP.
That's, she puts the pop in pop culture. Yeah, she does.
She is the

Speaker 1 New York woman. She is the New York woman.
Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. Like, yes.

Speaker 1 Anyway, so like, sorry, to answer your question, and this just turned into a whole name drop fest, but like, I mean, I asked you, I'm like asking for, I'm sucking the names out of it, really.

Speaker 1 But you, but you

Speaker 1 won't be with Kudra.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, I, it's almost like it's not even that I get sometimes I get starstruck. Most of the time, I know I'm gonna see the person.

Speaker 1 Like, if it's a surprise, if it's like I'm running into them at a party and they're like, I listen to your podcast, like that's, that's different.

Speaker 1 That's like, you know, like sending a, like, a sweet shiv down my spine.

Speaker 1 But like, with Lisa Kudreau, I had been watching friends every night and her name came came up in casting and I was like, but I watch her every

Speaker 1 TV every night. I was very excited to meet her.
But then I know that I have to. present myself as a leader.
And thank you so much for what you said. That's very, very

Speaker 1 kind to say.

Speaker 1 But I know I have to like, you know, I have to be confident when I meet her and not treat her like she's this thing that is unattainable to me because then why would she want to work with me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, because she's very much quite there, attainable. Yes.

Speaker 1 She's interested. I'll tell you, this is a true story.

Speaker 1 This morning, I'm getting ready because one of my great parts about my job, especially when I'm in development on like a new thing, is that I get to sit and meet actors.

Speaker 1 And they just like, you know, like, they just go, do you want to meet so-and-so? And I go, yeah, it's like going on like a lunch date with the most random, wonderful people.

Speaker 1 So this morning I'm getting ready to have breakfast with Pamela Anderson. Oh, we were just talking about her in the car.
We are obsessed. She's, and I don't use this word often, a queen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She's a queen.

Speaker 1 And I'm looking at myself in the mirror and I don't have makeup on. And I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 1 She's not going to wear makeup i know that that's her thing so i'm like you know do i show up at breakfast with pamela anderson with no makeup on and i take one look at myself in the mirror and i go you know what i'm not working from the same baseline as pamela anderson

Speaker 1 please i was like

Speaker 1 spackling on spackled on

Speaker 1 queen she she doesn't give a about

Speaker 1 she doesn't but i like i wanted to feel like you know i was presentable so i did put some makeup on and i was still like a 14th as uh gorgeous as she is. Starstruck? I wasn't

Speaker 1 just want to be. No, right.
Cause again, I'm like trying to be like, let's collaborate on something maybe, you know, but like, I do sit in awe is what I'll say.

Speaker 1 Like I'm not maybe struck, but I sit in like complete respect and awe of people who, especially like her, people who have been through the fucking ringer because of pop culture, because of our thirst for.

Speaker 1 her fame and her gorgeousness and you know the way in which society has you know objectified her over and over again and truly like turned her into an object, you know?

Speaker 1 And let me tell you, she's fucking brilliant. Yeah.
She's so smart. So smart.
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Like I know what she's talking about.

Speaker 1 No idea what she's talking about. I mean, I was just so impressed.
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Speaker 1 She was naming movies. She was talking about Jenna Rowland's movies.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I mean, like,

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Speaker 1 And, you know, I get that it seems like it's part of the universe and it's, you know, up for grabs, but that's really rough. Right.

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Speaker 1 I will say, going back to what Matt was saying about your leadership, this is such a backtrack, but he was coming off of that set every day being like, I mean, Liz Feldman, what a fucking queen.

Speaker 1 Like, truly

Speaker 1 so, so, so

Speaker 1 happy and grateful and learning so much from that experience. And it all shows that show is so great.
Thank you so much. That's fantastic.
Thanks. And also, you have to know how nervous I was.

Speaker 1 Like, because it will be one thing to book a show with Lisa Kudreau. You know what I mean? Like, because that's another thing is it's like BTS for the readers and everybody at home.

Speaker 1 It's like you open your email, you're lucky enough one day to get any audition because they're very rare now. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And you open it up and it's like, it's the new Liz Feldman show, which is already so exciting in and of itself.

Speaker 1 Everyone loves, it's such an exciting name to see yours when you're an actor too, because you know it's going to be.

Speaker 1 Like, I would imagine that every actor is taking all the meetings with you because they love Dead to Me and they see no good deed and they see this.

Speaker 1 There's just so much potential for them to do things. That's you know what I mean? And like every character is interesting, which is rare, but it's like you see, and Lisa Cujo is attached.

Speaker 1 That would be enough to give you a panic attack, even on an audition where you're not actually going to interact. And then it's like, Ray Romano, the name that really took me out was Linda Cartolina.

Speaker 1 Oh my god. Took me out.
Like true.

Speaker 1 acting hero of mine. And it just, it just didn't stop from there.
I was a huge fan of every single person. And then he goes, it's like the Super Smash Brothers of television.
That's brilliant.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And I used it on the press.

Speaker 1 You did. You did.
But that's true. And but, but here's in

Speaker 1 the video. No, I did like you got an EDI chat.
Here's where I'm going to go to you. I was about to say, here's where I go down on you.
Yeah. Go down.
Here's where We69.

Speaker 1 You showed up, and I swear to God, he stole every fucking scene he was in.

Speaker 1 He stole every scene he was in. Matt Rogers and Ray Romano turned into this like comedy team.
I mean, you look out, Bowen. Yeah, I know.
I mean, it could be Ray sitting there in that matching scene.

Speaker 1 In this sweater, yes. But for some reason, I mean, like, you would never think like Ray Romano like salted the earth from, you know, although you're not from too far apart from each other.

Speaker 1 He's Queens and I'm Long Island, so there was enough there. You know what I mean? Like, but again, like, and I watched him since I was a kid.
I'm the same. I get the vibe.

Speaker 1 And what a great fucking guy he is, too. Yeah.
He's a great person. It was like a set of menshas.
Everyone was very nice. I love it.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 And to be honest that was like the whole goal that i had is now that i get to be a person who you know picks actors and hires crew and stuff i'm like i want to go to work and be surrounded by people i really enjoy being around nice kind talented but people who inspire me people who are like you know if i'm gonna go leave my two-year-old daughter at home and my wonderful wife who i actually really like you know i want to show up to people who i feel like are my family.

Speaker 1 And it is, it is, it was so nice because we really did create that on Noga Deed. This is friendship nerding.
This is this is being a friendship nerd.

Speaker 1 It's like where you're saying you and Jesse are friendship nerds, right? It's 100%. This is nerding out about like the right chemistry of people in a way.

Speaker 1 And in the writing, in the writer's room, too, I would imagine, because what I loved most about the set and I'm experiencing now on another show I'm working on is I go over to Video Village and it's like a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 Like you have such a great group of ladies that you work with.

Speaker 1 We have a great group. Like Kelly.
Yeah, Kelly Hutchinson is one of my best friends of 30 years.

Speaker 1 We were college roommates. Oh, where'd you go to college? We went to Boston University.
There we go.

Speaker 1 We lived on Commonwealth Avenue.

Speaker 1 And we were roommates. She was an acting student.
I was a TV student. And we used to smoke cigarettes in our apartment with the windows closed.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Because that's what you did. Because you had a dark inner life.
Yes, we did have a dark inner life.

Speaker 1 And we just got like, you know, really stoned on really bad weed and drink horrible wine and have the greatest time. But she

Speaker 1 was an actress on Broadway for many, many, many years and was like, you know what? I think I want to try my hand at writing. Sent me her script and

Speaker 1 said to me, it was her first show. And we've been working together ever since.

Speaker 1 And I mean, she's truly one of my best friends in, I mean, 30 years of friendship. So I have her and then Silvertree, who's my producing

Speaker 1 director, is an incredible director, but like we're good friends. And so I'm just in it for that.
Like I'm in this whole business for friends. Yeah.
That's all it is for me is connections.

Speaker 1 It's human connection with people. You know, I want to create that with people at home that I maybe never get to meet, but I also want to create it with the people that I get to see every day.

Speaker 1 So, I was, because of the 50th and everything, I was talking to Kristen Wigg, and you guys were in an improv group together years ago. What were those years ago?

Speaker 1 Crystal Wigg is what I like to call her.

Speaker 1 Crystal and I were, we were in the Sunday Company and the Groundlings together, but even before that, we were in an all-female improv group, which was obviously called The Last Women on Earth.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I mean, like, we go way back. I was a bridesmaid in her wedding.
Her wife's wedding. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's my girl.
So this obviously predates SNL. Oh, gosh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we were children.
I mean, I think I met her. I was 22 years old.
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In LA. In LA, we met at the Groundlings.
We, we met on like a, like a wow improv class at the Groundlings, which is just like a drop-in class.

Speaker 1 And I think we saw each other and we were like, oh, that's, we, oh, you're funny. Connected.
We were connected, definitely. That's very much us.
That's very much us.

Speaker 1 Cause, and I'm getting all mournful now because I'm like, I think it's still happening.

Speaker 1 I think it's coming back from the pandemic, but like something about like improv culture being kind of wiped away is really sad because that was the way that you and I made friends with people at college.

Speaker 1 It's how I've made so many of my dearest friends, truly. That's how it's how I, it's why I went to BU.
I was visiting a friend, my friend Dan Fogler, not to name drop, but a wonderful actor.

Speaker 1 And he was at BU. He was my best friend from high school.
I was coming off a TV show called All That, which was my first show. Well, yes.

Speaker 1 I've been doing this a long, long time. And I was like, fuck, I just want to go hang out with my friend in college.
He's like, well, I'm auditioning for the improv group. You should just come with me.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I don't go to school here. I went anyway, got in.
And they were like, well, if you went to school here, you could be in this group. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 So I didn't transfer. I wasn't even going to school.
I went into the admissions office,

Speaker 1 filled out an application, did an interview, and I got in. And that's why I went to BU.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 1 That's even more, because I would tell people, one of of the big reasons I went to NYU is because I did all my research and Dangerbox was like the group that I was like focused on.

Speaker 1 And then I went, but that's a whole nother level. Like you were literally led and motivated by that.
I was quite literally, I didn't even know like what I was going to study.

Speaker 1 I didn't even care about any of it. I just wanted to be in the improv group.
Wow. And I made like one of my best friends for life in that group.

Speaker 1 I'm still friends with so many of the people from the group, you know, and then out here in LA, all my original friends were from the Groundlings. I did that for five and a half years.

Speaker 1 Isn't it wild how that works out? Like, we tell this story sometimes, but, you know,

Speaker 1 so many of our friends from those comedy groups, I was a hammer cat. So I did sketch comedy and Bowen was dangerous.
He did improv, but we were kind of all one big community.

Speaker 1 And so many of those people. are like still working, super successful, still our friends.
You know what I mean? It's just, I remember when Rachel Bloom won the Golden Globe.

Speaker 1 We were at a bunch of people. Yeah, Yeah, we were at Bowen's apartment in downtown Brooklyn.
And I was like, you know what's wild? Like, I think we might have been right.

Speaker 1 Like, the people that we thought were special, like,

Speaker 1 actually are. Yeah.
And then that obviously, like, in so many ways has proven to be true, but it is sort of like, you have to check yourself at that point. You're like, wait, am I, am I okay?

Speaker 1 Like, am I living in like a simulation where it's just like, how could this be, how could this actually have been the destiny of us all? Like, whatever that means. You know what I mean? That's

Speaker 1 cool or whatever. But it's like you talk about like the friends that you made all the way back then.
And like, it's really possible to have those communities endure. It is.
It is.

Speaker 1 And I mean, like, when I was in the Sunday Company at the Groundlings, Caitlin Olson, Dak Shepard. Wow.
You know, and by the way, all three of us were cut. What?

Speaker 1 You, Caitlin Olson, and Dak Shepard were cut from Sunday Company? Yeah, sorry. I have to fix my bra strap because it's your bra strap.

Speaker 1 I guess I'm getting skinny.

Speaker 1 You're wasting

Speaker 1 wait, who the fuck cut you guys? I mean, listen, it happens, but it is actually in a weird way the best thing that ever happened to me.

Speaker 1 So it's like the people at SNL who get cut and it's like your Jenny Slades who like go on and become. I mean, Jenny's brilliant.

Speaker 1 So brilliant. I have, I'm friends with several other gals.
Yeah. And one thing about SNL 50 is so many of them showed up.

Speaker 1 So many one-daddies and people came in. They were all so happy.
And they're all doing so well. So well.

Speaker 1 This was my thing. There was just no bitterness at this thing.

Speaker 1 And I was expecting even bitterness from me where i'm like oh god like aren't we all so tired and aren't we all so stressed out about this big show and it's all led up to this for like so many years and it was all love and warmth it was and i have to say as a person watching it at home all six and a half hours or better however long it was very long but i was i could i could have kept watching my my my wife and i were so excited to watch it and you know like i mean that's snl is is sort of like a family reunion for the audience too.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's it. You know, because so many of us like grew up watching it.

Speaker 1 My brother used to show, my brother's seven years older than me, he used to show me episodes that I in no way should have been watching, you know, at like five years old, you know, so these are all people that we've all grown up with, right?

Speaker 1 But it goes back to this like improv thing where I don't know, it's just, it's just harder and harder for people to like, yeah, connect in this like scaled up way where it was like, you were just meeting so many people whenever you were doing shows or whenever you would like do like rehearsals or practices or whatever, you know, like and developing together too is such an important thing, I think, in terms of grounding friendship.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? How many times did we go to each other's shows where there was like 14, 15 people?

Speaker 1 You know, one time, Bowen and I did a show for one person. Oh, yeah.
And we were like, it was at the Pit Underground. Yeah, sure.
And I remember the pit. Oh, yeah.
I've been there.

Speaker 1 We were performing as our filthy, slutty, lip-sync duo. Duo.
Slut.

Speaker 1 Perfect.

Speaker 1 His name was Slut and my name was Fuck. Together we were Sluck.
And we went essentially for a half hour. Why did your guys come? Look at this stuff.

Speaker 1 That was actually our peak.

Speaker 1 No, there was a time.

Speaker 1 Do you remember when I would look at my Google Calendar? I bet I still came up. There was so many Slucks.
Sluck was all over. Like, everyone wanted to book Sluck.

Speaker 1 Sluck opened for Joel Kimbooster's first special table. That's right.
Oh, my God. That's Sluck was everywhere.
Sluck has performed everywhere. Now I'm embarrassed.
I hadn't heard of Sluck.

Speaker 1 No one knows about Sluck anymore, but Sluck may return. Sluck will be at the first Trump Kennedy Center on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I love that.
You know what we should do?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say it right here on air to put the pressure on you. We should get a super group of queer improvisers together and

Speaker 1 do a charity show for trans youth. Oh, that would be amazing.
Yes, okay. Yeah.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
Do that, Josh and Aaron. We're going to do some pressure even.

Speaker 1 I think we should do that. Absolutely do that.
Because there's some really brilliant improvisers here in LA too. And that I've had the great pleasure of, like Drew Drogie and

Speaker 1 Yep. I mean, the greatest.
Sam Pancake. Someone's really wanted to

Speaker 1 do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, these are, there's some, we should do that.
We should absolutely do that. Do you know Brandon Scott Jones? Yes.
Yeah. Brandon Scott Jones from Ghosts.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was like, I think I did an improv show with him. Yes.
In fact, like, he's one of the ones that like.

Speaker 1 from the very big it's just so wild how so much really paid off i was talking actually in my group chat the other day about how ucb really did create some incredible actors because of that space in Chelsea, it was like that thrust stage.

Speaker 1 And because it was so small, and because the audience was so engaged, because there was an era, I'm sure in LA as well, where it just felt like everyone was so excited about improv and sketch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think it was around, you know, it was definitely 2006, 2012-ish around there when SNL was like really hitting in that era because of like, I think like the way it was, you know, corresponding with politics, et cetera.

Speaker 1 It was just, it was in the air that like to succeed in comedy, you had to be at UCB and be around it. It felt like in New York.
Oh, yeah. We flew to New York from L.A.

Speaker 1 with our show just to perform at UCB. Did you do Del Close? I did do Del Close.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yep.
The 24-hour. Yes.
We went on at some hilarious hour, like four o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 The bishop's best part. Four in the morning, three in the morning.
That was an incredible experience. That was awesome.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 At 4.15 in the morning, I went on and did like a thing where it was like everyone, it was all gay guys and we were all pretending to be boston straight guys

Speaker 1 and i i came out and i remember i ate a carrot off the ground and i was and i literally did this whole stupid bit where i was like should i eat this carrot man and everyone was like no no i was told afterwards that it had been in someone's ass the the bit performance before eaten the carrot someone had put the carrot in their ass and left it on the stage and when i came out i didn't know that and so i took the carrot i was like i was like i'm gonna eat this carrot they were like no i put it in my mouth

Speaker 1 pretend that was the first time

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my kink. My kink is carrot tap.

Speaker 1 But no, what I was saying was like the style of the stage being thrust, and because the audience was so engaged and it was so small, it created such good actors because they could do such small choices.

Speaker 1 Like I remember Middleditch, Aubrey Plaza, Ellie Kemper, Darcy Carden, Brandon Scott Jones, like all these people that ended up having success in television.

Speaker 1 They came from an era where you could develop as a live performer, but it still,

Speaker 1 it fed the on-camera work. Because it was black box thrust.
Yeah. It was just a thrust space.
Yes. So you could like

Speaker 1 kind of like play to your angles. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm not making total sense, but like it was a way that to like play to like an angle slash camera or just to play to an audience that was in front of you in that thrust setting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, it's interesting that you say that because the Groundlings is a proscenium. It's a very, it's a much more sort of presentational

Speaker 1 theater theater. And the characters tend to be bigger.
Yes.

Speaker 1 I remember hearing that and being like, should I move there? Because I always got the note I was too big. Always.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Kudra, wasn't season two the comeback where she does like groundlings classes. Well, Jimmy Fowley.
Jimmy Fowley. Yes.
By the way, Jimmy Fowley should also be in our

Speaker 1 favorite person. One of our favorite people.
I love him. He's wonderful.
And, you know, I have known him since he was, you know, a we improviser. And I love him.

Speaker 1 And I'm so proud of everything he's becoming. Yeah.
And so much more to come. Wait, what were we just talking about before that? oh my god i'm talking about

Speaker 1 thrust and

Speaker 1 so was a groundling yes yes and then a teacher and then a teacher and she said um recently we were talking she said she was a terrible teacher i bet that's a hard duet i could never teach i couldn't either nope related

Speaker 1 leadership sketch not at ucb oh no i i'm not like uh i i can only like lead under great duress

Speaker 1 you were you under duress because you didn't show that on no good deed did you find yourself under duress no no, I think I just mean pressure, like, you know, external pressure.

Speaker 1 Like, here's a multi-million dollar budget on your shoulders. Like, don't fuck it up.
You know? Do you like showrunning? I like, I do. You do.
I do. It's like a sickness, but I do like it.

Speaker 1 It's so hard. It's very hard.
It's very hard, but it is 11 jobs in one.

Speaker 1 I like eight of them.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? What are the three you don't like?

Speaker 1 Therapists.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I mean, I actually don't mind that part.
I don't mind the managerial stuff and I don't mind the interpersonal stuff. I don't love

Speaker 1 the tech stuff. I don't, I don't love that.
And I don't love like props meetings.

Speaker 1 You know, who does? Like just going over like, here's the prop. I mean, like, I'm not a detail person, which I'm much more of a macro gal.
And

Speaker 1 my wife is micro. I'm macro.
And so we make a good pair, you know? And, um, but I do really like it because I love coming up with something from nothing.

Speaker 1 It's, it's like this part that I'm in right now where I get to just sort of dream up a new world. It's so fun.
I get to people my world.

Speaker 1 I get to create a writer's room of people I want to spend time with and then think of actors I want to work with.

Speaker 1 She pointed to us. I pointed to us.
She gestured. Lucky us.
It was more of a gesture. No.
No.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 I would work with you again in a heartbeat and I would work with you for the first time in a heartbeat. I would be lucky too.
No, no. Bowen?

Speaker 1 She offers you a part right here. No.
I'm like, wow. I sound right for that.
We don't really compete for... No, because you don't audition anymore.
Because I don't think I'm good at it. Bowen.

Speaker 1 I'm a bad auditioner. No, I can, I can, I can copy.
He always booked.

Speaker 1 Like, I remember back in the day when we both were up for SNL, I remember I was like, when you booked that, I was like, wow, he books, because he would book all the time.

Speaker 1 And I felt like I had to book SNL in order to make a career happen.

Speaker 1 Interesting. I was like, I was like, this is the only thing I'll be right for because I always got the note too big, too big, too big.
I just thought, I'm never going to work on it.

Speaker 1 I watch him on No Good Deed and I'm like, there's no one more compelling to watch on stream.

Speaker 1 First of all, almost every review or thing that was written that I read, because I didn't read them all, but

Speaker 1 they highlighted Matt Rogers, who, by the way, is

Speaker 1 in a cast of very, very, very large cast of characters. I mean, there's nine series regulars, and people are talking about Matt Rogers.

Speaker 1 He's very kind. He's in many episodes, but you know, like, I can watch him in anything, in any kind of thing.
And yeah, you guys are being too much. I saw you, and I love that for you.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, who is this guy? I love that show, too. That show was gone through soon, man.
I agree. I agree.
I can't believe no one wanted that.

Speaker 1 Like, when because they went out to pitch it again, and I was just like, this is like, you have so much proof of concept here. The second season was fully written.

Speaker 1 I feel like I can say all this now because it's like, it's been a long time, but I was just like, that just goes to show the industry is in such a rough spot that that show was good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it had fans.

Speaker 1 It had like you could have put it on the Netflix homepage with like a Molly Shannon in the fucking literally no reason for people to say no, no reason for a network to say no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and yet, yeah, whatever. Well, you, it was an unfortunate timing thing.

Speaker 1 You guys were a victim of a regime change, you know, which is like tons of regimes changing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 But, anyways, all this is lovely, but there's a question we have to ask you. Okay.
So, Liz Feldman, this is the question that we ask all of our guests. And you'll be no different.

Speaker 1 What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Speaker 1 I'm going to say the culture that made me say culture was for me was the original L-word. Wow.

Speaker 1 You know, this is really good. Thank you.
Thank you. So Kate Menning must have been huge.
I mean,

Speaker 1 because she was on No Good Do. ICOM.
Yeah. Well, here's the true story, which is that, you know, there was nothing.

Speaker 1 for lesbian culture in terms of, you know, really being in the mainstream other than when Ellen came out. You know, but that was a, she really died on the cross for us on that one,

Speaker 1 truly. But it wasn't necessarily about, you know, affecting sort of pop culture.
That was about society to me. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, her coming out was about changing the temperature of how we feel as a society about gateway. All respect for what she did.
All respect.

Speaker 1 But the L-word was different because it was a fantasy, but it was a fantasy that was set in a reality that did sort of exist. It just didn't exist for me.
Sure. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And you're saying the L-word is cultural instead of societal? Yes. I do think the L-word is cultural.
I mean, societal, I think,

Speaker 1 done as a result. Yes.

Speaker 1 But cultural in that, and I, and listen, I'm going to say a few things that may be offensive to other queer women out there, but like, you know, I'm a gay woman who grew up in the 80s and 90s.

Speaker 1 You know, we had no role models, no direct role models. You know, we were grasping at straws.
We were grasping at an MTV

Speaker 1 duff, You know,

Speaker 1 we were grasping at like the girl from just one of the guys,

Speaker 1 which was in 80s movies, literally before you were born. But, you know, there was nothing for us.

Speaker 1 We were grasping at Mary Stewart Masterson as some kind of wonderful who was a straight person, but seemed sort of gay. But there was iconography there that

Speaker 1 would relate to in an abstract way. Yeah.
Like, thank you, Katie Lang. We appreciate your work.

Speaker 1 But when the L-word came out, I remember watching it with my one lesbian friend that I had in Los Angeles at the time and just thinking, oh my God, it's possible.

Speaker 1 It's possible. Where are these women? They must exist.
They must exist. And

Speaker 1 we were so enamored of this culture and this sort of group of friends that were created on the show that. I kind of think we manifested it because we eventually met them.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And I was a stand-up at the time and I was writing and stuff. And I was doing stand-up at Dinosha Weekend, which for the dear readers, readers, that is the lesbian sort of like Coachella, if you will.

Speaker 1 And I was doing stand-up and the L-word gals were doing a like, you know, meet and greet kind of

Speaker 1 while the show was still on.

Speaker 1 And somebody took them to come see my stand-up. And I had been doing the silliest vlogs.
Yeah, I said vlog. That's right.

Speaker 1 Don't know, say it.

Speaker 1 I had been doing these very silly vlogs with some other lesbians where we essentially like recapped the L-word. We made fun of the L-word and recapped it.

Speaker 1 And they had been watching it unbeknownst to me. The cast had been watching these vlogs.
Kate Menon came up to me and said, I'm a huge fan. And I almost fainted.

Speaker 1 This is like the hottest woman alive, Sarah Deska Parker coming up. 100%.

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, I'm a big friend of yours. And

Speaker 1 we have been friends ever since. Oh, my God.
Dear friends. She's one of my dearest friends.
She's great and no-good teeth. She's wonderful.
I wrote the part for her.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's like, you know, it's, it's, who else could be that person?

Speaker 1 You don't even like, obviously you do know, but like when it hit on Netflix and everyone freaking the fuck out when they saw Linda Cartellini in bed with Kate,

Speaker 1 like it was such, like, how much of that was you being like,

Speaker 1 the lesbian? I'm feeding the lesbians right now. You had to know.
You have to think about your audience a little bit. Hold on.

Speaker 1 Well, because then you think back and you're like, you're an audience that wanted that at one point. Exactly.
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Speaker 1 I think that's the most important thing to do when you are in the very lucky position to create shows is create something you want to watch because odds are other people want to watch it too.

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Speaker 1 That's so incredible that you would go from making that very astute observation about Ellen or about that time period having no role models to, I mean, my nose is so far up your ass, but you are that role model now.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's true. You know what I mean? And it's like, thank you for reminding us of this because it's kind of the same with gay male culture.
We've been spoiled our, you know, whole cultural lives.

Speaker 1 There have always been queer men at the fore in some ways, but I feel like there was this wasteland of a period in the aughts and especially in the 90s, but like I remember just being on IMDb message boards being like, is this actor gay?

Speaker 1 Like that was our only way of figuring it out. Right.
You know, now how many like not open secrets, but like how many people just like are gay and are huge stars. Huge.

Speaker 1 Like, and they're either out or it's not that they're not out. It's just not a thing.
It's not a thing. It's just no one really talks about it.
And I guess it's better, right?

Speaker 1 It's better like, but it's like you have like a Coleman domingo who's like a best actor nominee twice over now and you're like oh it's not hampered you in any way no because it's really not a thing it's not a thing insofar as you guys being brunettes shouldn't be a thing and and being asian shouldn't be a thing and being like you're a talented artist with something to say that should be the thing exactly which gives me hope for like the way that like trans people still keep getting

Speaker 1 vilified and keep like getting put through the ringer in terms of like, oh, we like them now or we hate them now. We we like them.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's like, it seems like society has not figured out how to feel about trans people,

Speaker 1 especially now. But it's like, oh, but you see, you literally have a trans best actress nominee, despite all the things that she's done.
Yeah. She's still a compelling actor.

Speaker 1 She's still delivered an amazing performance. Yep.
It just gives me, it just, it's like, oh, like if we can extrapolate, hopefully that means something in the near future.

Speaker 1 That's like pretty incredible. I don't know.

Speaker 1 But that is one of the things that I love about the entertainment business and about being storytellers is that we do sort sort of help society tip you know and i think we were so close to a tipping point with the trans community and with the perception of trans people and unfortunately the forces of um they scapegoated them they scapegoated them yeah and they they pulled them you know in this tug of war to the other side and turned people against them just totally based out of fear and bad statistics it's also wild because that show

Speaker 1 the l-word gets rediscovered all the time. In fact, when I was at Coachella last year, Renee Rapp performed and she had the cast of the L-word introduce her because it's her favorite show.
Of course.

Speaker 1 And just like watching the Gen Z audience, like the L Gen Z. Yes.
I mean, you know, the L-word came back. Yes, the next gen.
And I think it was the next-gen Gen Z.

Speaker 1 You know, that was less for me because I, you know, was more of an OG fan. Right.
But it was also just, I mean, just even fashion-wise and, you know, just the way in which that we present ourselves.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, when I was growing up in the 90s, you know, it was very like flannel shirt, unfortunate haircut times, you know. What was the haircut?

Speaker 1 I mean, I had a mullet. I did have a mullet.

Speaker 1 More of a late 80s mullet, more of a late 80s mullet, like more of a junior high kind of vibe. Got it.

Speaker 1 Or like even middle school. I, my style icon at the time was Alex P.
Keaton from Family Ties.

Speaker 1 By the way, I didn't realize this, that he was like a conservative

Speaker 1 icon. Well,

Speaker 1 not an icon, but he was he, the bit of him was that he had liberal parents and that he was an 1980s, like young conservative man being like, This is the way we're going to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was the outlier of his family. And I loved that show unknowingly because I was the outlier of my family.

Speaker 1 So, even though he was playing this like conservative Republican kid, I related to that character because it was almost as if he was the gay kid at a time.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, I love it.

Speaker 1 But then, the L-word, like the fashion was like on point. They were hot.
They had cool haircuts. You know, they did cool things.
They went out.

Speaker 1 They forged this whole community and life, you know, that I just wanted so badly.

Speaker 1 And the irony is that just a few years later, I got to have it with those activists. Scary people played those parts.
And like, I just, you know, manifestation is real, baby. Oh, I know it.

Speaker 1 That's actually so, so true. So true.
It's also so important to hear you say and to remember, write something that you would want to watch because that actually makes creating so much easier. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's one of those sentences and I'm almost connecting it to an improv thing, which is this always makes it easier for me too, which is if this is true, what else is true? It's just an easy generator.

Speaker 1 But like, write something that you would want to watch is like,

Speaker 1 of course I would do that. You know what I mean? And like, and also if you're thinking about it that way, you're not the only one, you know? Like, so it's

Speaker 1 really easy, fun in yeah also it's gonna make it a better write totally of course if you want to you know if that's the kind of thing you're gonna be interested in watching you'll be more interested in writing it too and it won't make it as painful of a process though it's always painful yeah when was um when were you out so like how far along in your queer journey were you when lward fell upon your lap oh i was i was pretty far i mean i was like 26 or 27 so i mean that's how long of a dearth i was operating in and I mean, I was, I kissed my first girl at 16,

Speaker 1 totally seduced by a girl who had gone to boarding school.

Speaker 1 And she knew things I didn't. And thank you so much.
And

Speaker 1 I didn't really know exactly what I was because I had actually weirdly been boy crazy before I had kissed a girl, then became girl crazy.

Speaker 1 And so, you know, this was long before fluidity or even bisexuality was like a really accepted thing.

Speaker 1 And so I wasn't really, I was like still sort of trying to figure myself out. And my mother, at 17 years old, so I'm a senior in high school, gave me a letter.

Speaker 1 And she said, you're going to read this in the car. And I'm going to, I'm going to drive and you're going to read it in front of me.
And she was driving me to my SAT tutor at the time.

Speaker 1 And I opened it up and it was two poems. One poem was a daughter talking to the mother.
It rhymed. And it was something like, I don't know what to say when a girl walks by my way.

Speaker 1 I think I might be gay. And I'm reading this.
And I'm in no way, shape, or form ready to like come out. Then the second letter is actually a poem from the mother to the daughter, also rhyming.

Speaker 1 And it says something like, you know, have no doubt. We'll figure it out, like that kind of thing.
And I was stunned. So my mother outed me at 17.

Speaker 1 I'm going to guess a full five years before I would have probably done so myself.

Speaker 1 And so that really started my journey. Did that feel like an act of kindness or an act of like shock, like, oh, I'm pleased.
Yeah. Or did it feel like an imposition?

Speaker 1 It was a shock. I would call it a shock because I wasn't ready.
Of course. And I appreciate that she saw me, but she almost like saw me too well.

Speaker 1 It's like, you know, she saw the x-ray version of me where, you know, like it was bones and everything. And I wasn't really ready for that.

Speaker 1 And I was mostly not ready to tell my father, who at the time was quite homophobic. And so I was like, please don't tell dad.
I mean, it's 1994, 1994. So please don't tell dad.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, that night, my father, who's like very Brooklyn, comes home and he's like, your mother said you might have something that you might want to talk about.

Speaker 1 You're having some questions. And I'm like, let me tell you who I don't want to ask these questions to.

Speaker 1 So I said, I just, I have to say, I really admire myself at that age because I was very self. I don't know.
I felt I was self-possessed.

Speaker 1 And I said, yeah, you know, I have been having questions, but it's okay, you know, and,

Speaker 1 you know, I think I like girls, but I also like boys and blah, blah, blah. And he kind of started to cry, which was very shocking because he's a really tough guy.

Speaker 1 And then he said he wanted me to go get my head checked by a psychiatrist. And I said, I'll only go if you come with me.

Speaker 1 And I was like, it was just such a weird time.

Speaker 1 So we went and I was 17. All I really cared about was driving.
Like, I wasn't ready to like profess anything about who I would be or end up being with or anything like that. So we go all together.

Speaker 1 She gives me a psychological evaluation. We all meet separately with her.
Then we all meet together as a family with her.

Speaker 1 She said I was the most mentally stable teenager she had ever had in her office and that I didn't need therapy, but she recommended that my parents stay on her. Wow, icon.

Speaker 1 I swear to God, we walk out of her office. My father gave me the keys to the cars the first time they let me drive the car home.

Speaker 1 Have you written about this? This is incredible. I've written a version of it.
I did a short film with my sister, Rebecca Feldman, who's a very talented writer and director in her own right.

Speaker 1 We did a short film called My First Time Driving.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I should say, it's worth a revisit. It's worth a revisit.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's stunning. Just like that image of them allowing you to drive them while they've been told that as full-grown adults, they may have like more to figure out.
I mean, it's wild.

Speaker 1 I mean, when I was a little kid, I'll never forget one of the things that my dad told me and I internalized was my dad's also a very Long Island guy.

Speaker 1 And I remember he said to me, he was like, I know everything. And if you ever have a question, you come to me and I will give you the answer because I know everything.
Okay, cool. And so

Speaker 1 I think that he was just trying to make sure I didn't, you know, act out and go try and, I think it was well-intentioned. Everything my father ever did was well-intentioned.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 internalizing that and then realizing that he, like any man in the 90s and aughts, you know, like that's like, my dad is a varsity football, baseball coach, you know, and then the culture around us, you know, like very like patriarchal, male-dominated culture.

Speaker 1 And, and I do mean in all ways, as we all know, but to start to feel like my identity was at odds with what that society was saying was tough.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't like I could go to my dad with that question because I don't know that in 2004 he would have had the right thing to say.

Speaker 1 Ultimately, he did and was lovely and is lovely and such a supporter and like such an a wonderful, lovely man.

Speaker 1 But it's hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing. Yeah.
And then you realize they're human.

Speaker 1 And so it sounds like in that story, is what happened was not only did you confront and realize your parents' humanity, but it was confirmed for you. It was.
It really was. And

Speaker 1 my parents had marital problems. And I realized, too, it was my mother who had sort of whispered in my ear ear saying, tell your father that you won't go to therapy without him.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's and it was because she really wanted to go to therapy with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she was sort of trying to save her relationship. And,

Speaker 1 you know, spoiler alert, they're divorced.

Speaker 1 And, but, you know, that was the beginning certainly of seeing them as. fallible, you know, vulnerable people for sure.
And all of that catalyzed by your mom making you read this poem in the card.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. It's like something was kind of foisted on you in that way.
Yes. And I think it's because my mom ultimately is a very liberal and very accepting person.

Speaker 1 I think she knew who I was for long before I did. And I think she knew that I had a father that would be oppositional to that.

Speaker 1 And I think she was also trying to sort of, you know, embolden me and protect me and also literally change him. And it took a minute, but he is a totally evolved person in that way.

Speaker 1 He is 88 years old. He was

Speaker 1 God willing. I hope so.
But like, you know, he like gave a beautiful toast at my wedding. And, you know, I mean, like, he has really come around.

Speaker 1 It's lovely to see not people change short, but men change. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 to watch a straight man, like, that's a very, you have to be, and like, I don't give a lot of credit, but I will say that, you know, I really respect when my dad stands up to his friends who like Trump.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? My dad will give it to these guys that like Trump. Famous.

Speaker 1 Like, and you know, my dad was in a my dad was a phys ed teacher and like varsity sports coach for a very long time, surrounded by attitudes that suck. Yeah.
Attitudes that fucking suck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey, knock it off. Like, care for women, care for minorities, care for queer people, care for trans people.

Speaker 1 But there's a lot of people out there doing it. Yeah.
And I, and I think it's important. And I also, I just want to acknowledge that change is very difficult for some people.

Speaker 1 And you do have to be brave. Yes.
You have to be very brave to do that. You really do.
You really do. And I have to credit the fact that my father married a woman 30 years younger than him.

Speaker 1 That always happened. After my parents got divorced.
And so, you know, she has really helped him modernize.

Speaker 1 Wait, but can I just say that that question you asked earlier of when you were asking what's the age that you wish that you could be? Yeah. My answer is 35.
Really? Yes.

Speaker 1 Because I got married at 35 and that was such a lifelong goal of mine that I thought would never be possible to remarried.

Speaker 1 I don't know why I said to make it to 35.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 My lifelong dream.

Speaker 1 And that's on being queer. And that's on queer.

Speaker 1 I remember saying that about

Speaker 1 it. Please.

Speaker 1 The moment I realized I was gay, gay, the moment I remember I was 11 years old and I remember the moment. I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I was like, I'll die.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 For sure. Or like the world would have totally changed from what it is right now for me to like.
ever be okay with this or tell people about this. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah, honestly, like you say I like to make it to 35, but I couldn't see 35 for myself because as you were saying earlier, where were the examples of it? Exactly.

Speaker 1 Where were the examples in media of us? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's true. I mean, like, so, so, yeah, it is sort of poignant to have, have said that.

Speaker 1 But I, um, yeah, you know, when I was growing up for most of my adulthood, gay marriage was not legal.

Speaker 1 And it was, I took it so personally because why is that a dream I'm not allowed to have?

Speaker 1 You know, and so when I finally met my wife, I was 31 and we didn't get married till we were 30, till I was 35 because it literally was illegal because of prop eight.

Speaker 1 And at a certain point, I got so mad that I was waiting for like a law to change to do a thing that I felt very inherently, you know, wasn't my right, was my, was my God-given human right to be able to express my love for another person in front of my family and friends.

Speaker 1 And so we actually went to New York, where it had become legal. We got married legally in New York, then came back, had our like wedding wedding in L.A., and six weeks later, Prop 8 overturned.
Wow.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to wait a little bit longer. We could have wait for the man.
No.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we did it the way we wanted to. That's good.
Yeah. Yeah.
But that was a wonderful time of my life, 35. And just, you know, being able to fulfill this dream with this wonderful person, my wife, Rachel.

Speaker 1 And so I would say 35. Okay.
I think it's a very,

Speaker 1 for some reason. You love this age.
It's a good age.

Speaker 1 It's a great job because it's the age you're going to be next, right? I can't wait. November, baby.
November, okay. He's my Scorpio child.
Oh, okay. Scorpio child.

Speaker 1 What are you? Of course you're a Pisces.

Speaker 1 Do you know that Pisces are like my people?

Speaker 1 Oh, I love it. What are you, Cancer? No, I'm a Gemini.
You're a Gemini. But we all get along.
We get along really well. I mean, like Scorpio, like, we have our like.

Speaker 1 Well, Scorpio and Gemini, we get we get a bad rap. I think Scorpio and Geminis relate because everyone clutches their pearls when we tell them who we are.
And we're like, it's not that.

Speaker 1 Yes, you're right. You guys are the ones that got the big reaction.
And I always get, oh.

Speaker 1 Well, Pisces, I, for some reason, like, I gravitate, especially professionally, towards Pisces. Silvertree, a Pisces.
I think

Speaker 1 Caroline Hutchinson, a Pisces. Yeah.
Yes. I mean, Carrot Apollo, another wonderful writer on the show.
A Pisces. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maddie Dollywall, another writer on the show. A Pisces.
You know, your shows are very Pisces. Oh, how interesting.

Speaker 1 I believe that they are because it's like with Dead to Me, it's like, which, by the way.

Speaker 1 I actually have to say while you're here,

Speaker 1 that's going to be looked back on as one of the great shows. That's one of the great shows.
It's one of the great shows with two of the great performances. Agree.
Agree about those performances.

Speaker 1 I just, I mean, they're so brilliant, but the fact that it's a relationship that on paper at the, on the beginning of the show, like should not work at all for X, Y, Z and beyond reasons, but it's just the

Speaker 1 connection and the empathy that they have for each other, because that's really what it's based in is empathy. Yeah.
That's very Pisces. It is.

Speaker 1 Well, I feel like you guys have have a very similar Scorpio Pisces is. I mean, you guys have a lot of empathy for each other.

Speaker 1 And I think that's what I'm talking about when I see like there's that warmth between you. It's an irrigated system.

Speaker 1 It's a water kind of like...

Speaker 1 The pipes are working. We're in a water cycle.
Yes. We condense, we precipitate.
Okay, yeah, we're mixing metaphors, but I, but it still works. I get them.

Speaker 1 They're mixing, but I'm liking.

Speaker 1 You know why that happens? It's because I often don't understand the metaphor. No,

Speaker 1 I often don't quite stick the landing on the metaphor. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart.
That is one of the most Pisces sayings. And it's my saying.

Speaker 1 It used to be on a throw pillow that we would sell on a merch website. Oh my God, I'd buy that.
We will, we will do that.

Speaker 1 We'll do more merch.

Speaker 1 There will be more merch in year nine of Lost Cult.

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Right? Mm-hmm. A Ford Bronco is built for adventure, but you've got to get behind the wheel.
Can you? Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 But you have to first. You have to.
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Like, for example, I never thought I could parallel park.

Speaker 1 I just thought it wasn't something that was going to happen for me in my life. And not everyone gets to have every experience, you know?

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Speaker 1 It just hits. It's my little me moment, like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know? Exactly.
Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke, this is my taste.
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True.

Speaker 1 But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.
Very true. This gives me an idea.
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Speaker 1 Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again, I think I see where this quiz is going.
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Speaker 1 Speaking of lost coach, it's a podcast that has a segment and

Speaker 1 it's coming up right now. Oh my god, I need someone.
So this is I Don't Think So Honey.

Speaker 1 And I Don't Think So Honey, to sort of break it down, is a 60 second segment where each person on the podcast, its hosts and its guests or guests, goes off for 60 seconds on something in pop culture that absolutely needs a da-da-da-dragging.

Speaker 1 And I sat in the car. We were just driving back from our shoot.
Yeah. And I said, I had something and I'm going to do it.
Okay. This is something that is in the culture and it's remained.

Speaker 1 It's not having, it's not as big as it used to be, but I still, it's more personal. Anyway, here we go.
Okay. This is Matt Rogers.
I don't think so, honey, as time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey, cameo.

Speaker 1 I can't

Speaker 1 because, and here's the thing: it's not that I don't like it as a service. I do think so, honey, like everyone like getting money from cameo, doing it, participating in it.

Speaker 1 Whenever I get a cameo gift, I cannot watch it. I'm too embarrassed that the person is talking to me.

Speaker 1 Like, if I ever opened a cameo, like years ago, you got me one for my birthday from Sandra Diaz Twine Survivor Icon. And I literally had to watch it in pieces like throughout a couple days

Speaker 1 because I couldn't believe she was talking to me. It's so intimate, cameo.
I don't think so, honey. You're looking at me in my eyes through the phone.

Speaker 1 My friend Nico got one from Tom Sandoval the other day, and I have never watched it because I can't watch Tom Sandelval doing cameo. I'm too embarrassed.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like, it's just, it's something, I don't know what it is. It's like when the culture awards happens, yeah, and people send in their videos.
There are ones I have never watched.

Speaker 1 I just can't. I don't think so, honey.
Celebrities, live your life. Don't think about me.
Don't talk to me. And I came out for $35.

Speaker 1 Nico got one for Tom Sandoval to talk to you? No. It was Nico's birthday a couple of weeks ago, and he was sent one from Tom Sandoval.
And I was just like, I saw all my friends talking about it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I can't watch it. There's something about,

Speaker 1 because I've gotten them from like housewives before, because those are fun ones, because you know, they're all on cameo.

Speaker 1 You get it, and you're just like, oh, like, I don't know, like, like, what, what they're told to say to you when the way that

Speaker 1 not personal. It's literally filtered.

Speaker 1 And so maybe it's that I think I'm wasting their time, but then again, it's like they're getting paid. They're getting paid.
Well, it's like the cross-section between vulnerability and inauthenticity.

Speaker 1 Yes. Correct.
Because like it is vulnerable because you're like, they need $35.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? It's like getting fucked with a bag on your head.

Speaker 1 Exactly. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I don't totally get that, but yes. Again, I don't think I understand my own art.

Speaker 1 It's intimate, but it's like they don't know who you are, what you look like.

Speaker 1 Yes, and they're like saying things about you, and it feels a little patronizing. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 And also, but like because you're an empathic person, you feel a little bit like embarrassed for them. By the way, I used to do cameos all the time.
I was gonna say, he's he's he's been on.

Speaker 1 I used to make money doing cameos, especially during the pandemic, because you could just sit there on your phone, you made of nothing but time and just cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo.

Speaker 1 Like, that's not it. It's, it's, it's specifically the act of receiving one

Speaker 1 now that i've done this on the podcast i'm gonna get tons from my friends who like throw 50 bucks and by the way it is my birthday so that's true now it's now it's really going down if you had to get a cameo from somebody who was yes it would be a housewife If I had to get a cameo from someone.

Speaker 1 Well, you know, I got a cameo from Parvity a really long time ago from Survivor. And now she's our pal.

Speaker 1 So I guess, because who's a housewife I can't really go up to because I'm too scared. You were quite brave with the housewives.
You're braver than I am.

Speaker 1 Well, I've been on Watch What Happens Live with a bunch of them, but I don't know. It's like maybe one.

Speaker 1 Lisa Barlow. Lisa Barlow, I've met.
No, Lisa Rina. Lisa Rina.
Please get me a cameo from Lisa Rina. I'll be happy.
Okay. And by the way, she and Harry Hamlin have a new podcast and they get into it.

Speaker 1 Yes. Let's not talk about the husband.
Let's not talk about the husband. Oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So that's fine. Bony, do you have anonymous honey on today? I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 1 I have to follow the two of you. Oh, my God.
Don't worry. Oh, please.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 This might still be a topic of conversation by the time this episode comes out. I think if you're talking about it,

Speaker 1 this is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Oh, the White Lotus theme song sucks now. It's not customer service.

Speaker 1 Let Mike White make his creative decisions. He is at the helm of this hit series that you are privileged to be watching.
You're privileged.

Speaker 1 You are sitting among,

Speaker 1 you're listening to three people who know the ins and outs of showbiz very well.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure none of us here have complaints about the white lotus theme. It's a new take on, it's going to be different and it's a new location.
As the tavern

Speaker 1 poster says, same luxury, new reservations. Something has to be new.
Really good love guys. I'm just happy to see Lisa acting down.
Yep, La Lisa.

Speaker 1 I'm happy to see Parker. To see

Speaker 1 15 seconds. Parker.

Speaker 1 I'm happy to see Michelle and leslie and carrie and all of the stars of the white lotus season two i'm just happy it's back oh i'm so happy it's back everyone's moaning and bitching and and groaning about the new theme song it's because the second one was such a bop of course but they didn't even it wasn't here's the thing it's like had they tried to make a bop this time and it like kind of flopped that would be one thing people would have been even more pissed but this is just this is like a score this is like a different vibe it's it has a tie sort of like inflection on it yeah Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the fact that people are even talking about the theme song at all shows you how powerful the show is. Because when do you ever talk about theme songs? In this day and age.

Speaker 1 I dare you to even hum another one. Like there's there, there, it's very hard to make one that breaks through to.

Speaker 1 That's a 20-year-old theme song.

Speaker 1 We love you, Star Jessica. Yes, we love you.

Speaker 1 I'm loving White Lotus this season. Oh, I mean, I love it every time.
We're only one deep, though. We're only one deep.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm in. I'm in, of course.

Speaker 1 But I watched the first episode twice. I have to say, my favorite moment of the whole episode was when Carrie Koon goes upstairs and she's been being sort of left down by the friends.

Speaker 1 And she has that one

Speaker 1 heave of a sob.

Speaker 1 Yes. I was like, oh, my God, that was.

Speaker 1 And I was waiting for Carrie Kuhn to Carrie-Koon.

Speaker 1 And you know, she's going to coon out.

Speaker 1 She's going to carry out. One of of her favorite actors, I would say.
She's a very versatile and very effective actress, I would say. She's brilliant.
And she pierces. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I love that whole cat. I mean, I think it's great.
You know who else I'm obsessed with is Amy Lou Wood, who's the British girlfriend. The other girlfriend.

Speaker 1 She's great, man. I have a Goggins hat.
I love Walton Goggins. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love him in everything I see. She's going off.
And also, to say nothing of Parker Posey. And let me tell you something.
A lot of idiots on Twitter dragging the accent.

Speaker 1 You relax. No, no, relax.
You relax. Oh, come on.
You let Parker Posey do her thing. Okay, Posey's going to posey.
And let me tell you,

Speaker 1 what a delight. Oh, she just opens her mouth and I'm like, I just, I'm like smiling immediately.
I just, there's something that she can just fucking eat the scenery. I love it.

Speaker 1 She wasn't the queen of indie movies for nothing. Like, she knows what she's doing, everybody.
Calm down. Like, you don't know how to make a choice better than her.
And I would suggest you shut up.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, or re-watch Waiting for Guffman. Can you please fucking God?

Speaker 1 When she, in this last episode, she goes, scratch my arm.

Speaker 1 I'm like, yes. I wonder if that was a fun run.
But I bow down to Mike White. He's so good at what he does.

Speaker 1 And evidently, he does it all by himself, which is so impressive because I need a room full of writers to lift me up and

Speaker 1 to help me see everything through. So brilliant.
Yeah. You know, who's going to be on the show in a few weeks? The speaking of amazing actress created by UCB, Natasha Rothwell.
Natasha.

Speaker 1 Finally coming on, Lost Coach. Oh, my gosh.
We are so excited. You see the legend.
Huge fan of hers. Yeah.
She's great. Yes.
I love her. All right.

Speaker 1 Time. Okay.
So I feel, okay, I hope that. Okay.
Yes. Okay.
So this is a big moment. It's a big moment.
This is Liz Feldman's. I don't think so, honey, are you ready? She's going to take me.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm ready, but yes, you are. Okay, this is Liz Feldman's.
I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

Speaker 1 I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 The Pete's coffee shop moving in across the street from the fancy Starbucks, which is next to the blue bottle, which is literally also across the street from a coffee bean in my neighborhood. No.
Yes.

Speaker 1 There is an empty, beautiful piece of retail

Speaker 1 real estate that could be literally anything, but it's going to be a Pete's coffee.

Speaker 1 Look, I have nothing against Pete's, and I will probably even go there first as like just as an experience to explore.

Speaker 1 but then probably also just every day because it's on my side of the street but jesus fucking christ how many coffee shops can one square block hold before a fucking sinkhole forms and we all get sucked into the abyss of corporate caffeine driven capitalism

Speaker 1 the empire is falling honey no one needs that many options for where to get a peppermint gingerbread caramel chocolate macalatte

Speaker 1 okay it could be literally anything five seconds it could be a planned parenthood it could be a trans healthcare clinic or a zan next door yeah

Speaker 1 because of rfk Oh,

Speaker 1 that's one minute.

Speaker 1 A fourth coffee shop.

Speaker 1 I wish I was exaggerating. A fourth coffee shop in one square block.
Can I ask? Yes. Favorite of the four.
Yep, that's favorite of the four. And why is it inserted here? I'm going to be honest.

Speaker 1 I walk past all four. However, like go to a local coffee shop.
You're so right. Yeah.
And I usually do. I was going to say blue bottle.

Speaker 1 I like a blue bottle, but it's Starbucks, but it's Pete's eventually, but it's Starbucks blue bottle. What's the the fourth coffee bean coffee bean yeah i do like a coffee bean

Speaker 1 but it is a coffee bean in a parking lot it's in a parking lot right of an albertons yeah yeah yeah oh you guys have albertson that is a big albertsons that one she's she's a big girl

Speaker 1 yeah oh we used to have albertsons in colorado they're all gone now i think the only ones that are left are in california

Speaker 1 that's sad

Speaker 1 not me mourning a chain a chain after liz just artfully took down our corporate driven I have nothing wrong with corporate entities and I shop at places that are very

Speaker 1 heart podcast so shape up yeah no no I love you I heart I heart but I heart I heart I heart I heart but but I mean but truly like if you're if you're gonna peel back your efforts to like help people and employ people and protect people then I'm gonna peel back my dollars There you go.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 It is egregious to have four on one block. That's crazy.
It's so silly. Like when that space opened,

Speaker 1 we were so excited by the infinite possibilities. A bagel store, mayhaps.
Of course.

Speaker 1 A flower shop that left. I love mayhaps.

Speaker 1 You know what's so funny? You wrote mayhaps into one of my characters' lines, and I had never heard anyone say the word mayhaps. I love mayhaps.
We're connected. Yeah, we are.

Speaker 1 Did Mayhaps, is mayhaps in the show? Do I say mayhaps? I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you do.

Speaker 1 What is it?

Speaker 1 A mouse per snaps? Per snaps. Per snaps.
Per snaps is Kelly. Kelly took mayhaps and fucking and put it on its little side for per snaps.
But yeah. Per snaps is mayhaps is like cool, queer similar.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you

Speaker 1 queer words. Yeah.
And I appreciate that as someone who also does this. Yes, we, I feel like we are very sympathetic.
I like, I love wordplay. Sorry I said it.

Speaker 1 But I do. I love to, I'm a lady of letters and I like to, I like to mix it around and make them sound fun.

Speaker 1 There was one improv I did that there was like a tiny little meeting about whether it was too much of a swing and they left it in. You know what I'm talking about? Sigorns.

Speaker 1 We hit a slight snug orny weaver.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You have to keep it. They were like, he has to do it the real way because we don't know, but like we do like it.
And I was like, let me tell you what made it into the show.

Speaker 1 And let me tell you what made me laugh every single fucking time in editing. We hit a little snug orny weaver.
We hit a little snug ornament.

Speaker 1 That's an ad lib. That's an ad lib.
Also, an ad lib. When he's, he's with Ray.

Speaker 1 And they're, well, I don't want to give anything away for people, but he's with Ray and there's maybe a room that like maybe has a little bit of a stench and Ray's trying to say, oh, it's rat piss.

Speaker 1 And he's like, that's human piss. I know what human piss smells like.
I was single once. I loved that.
I was single once is him.

Speaker 1 I love it. It tells you so much about the character.
It does. It does.

Speaker 1 This has been so much fun. I agree.
What an honor. I feel.
Honestly, like when I was asked to come on, I really thought I was like dreaming or something. This is like truly, truly a dream.

Speaker 1 Super honored. I'm a big fan of you both.
I think you're both incredible humans and also just hilarious and a gift.

Speaker 1 Liz, you're a true culture maker and you literally, I'm so glad we got to talk about the arc of the L-word to now for you, which is truly speaking to your impact and the way you put really important things into the world.

Speaker 1 And I feel like I,

Speaker 1 this is going to kill me for saying this, but I go on your Instagram and I'm like, oh, thank God we've got, like, you're still on it. You're still like out there like saying the thing.

Speaker 1 You do be saying the stuff. And it's important.

Speaker 1 Because I say the stuff. You say the stuff.
And I love that you say that. I need to say the stuff more.

Speaker 1 Both of you are

Speaker 1 very outspoken. You are motivating me to say the stuff more.
I think right now the stuff needs to be said. And if we're not going to say it, who will?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, and with that, here to make friends. March 14th, which is a

Speaker 1 Friday,

Speaker 1 which is the best day outside of today. It's been a lovely day.
And you can stream these Netflix series, Dead to Me and No Good Deed, because Liz is the best. And we end every episode with a song.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Can't wait.

Speaker 1 Is that a key change?

Speaker 1 I never thought about that before. It's a key change.
The sex in the city theme has a key change. That's actually roller culture number four.
The sex in the city theme has a key change.

Speaker 1 Bye.

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Speaker 1 Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too. Well, you know, the iconic rule of culture number 743.
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