Bring Her Back: An Interview with Danny & Michael Philippou

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welcome to last podcast in love we have a very special episode here we have two of one of my newest truly favorite movie creators what you guys are doing is fucking out of this world the new movie bring her back is coming out it's now it's out now right yes by the time you hear this it's out right now it's out now bring her back the directors of talk to me as well danny filippo and michael philippo welcome

thank you thank you thank you

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every day

so before we get started i just want to say i've um i love horror movies horror movies are probably my favorite genre of movies so I have been terrified to watch Talk to Me.

And I haven't watched it.

I specifically did not watch this movie because I'm like, this scares the shit out of me.

I want nothing to do with this.

I watched it last night with my wife.

And fuck you.

My wife had to sit there and see that.

What is wrong with you?

I'm sorry, dear wife.

What are you doing?

I don't know what's wrong with me.

I don't know.

You know, you just, you've got to get the darkness out somehow.

Yeah.

And then this morning, I woke up, 7 a.m.

bright and early to see bring her back.

Perfect breakfast film.

I've been trying to sell people, honestly, see the matinee.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, get in at three o'clock in the goddamn afternoon and just experience it sober.

I had to, I was watching this movie.

I had to pause it halfway through.

I'm losing my fucking mind.

All right.

I'm going nuts.

I can't deal with this goddamn fucking movie.

It's too early in the morning.

All right.

I got a beautiful dog.

I'm like, like, I love you.

Please kiss me.

All right.

And then so I'm like, all right, I pause.

He's the mouth kisser to the dog.

I go make, oh, yes.

He gives me that vibo.

Yeah, you guys love it.

And so I get it.

So I go and I go make my breakfast and I start like cutting my strawberries.

And I got scared of the knife in my hand

because of the movie that you made.

Yes.

I was like, I was scared of myself because of what you guys did.

I thought it would have been breakfast.

I'm actually just jealous.

And why haven't you brought your dog in?

I miss my dog, and I haven't patted a dog in quite a while.

So you got to bring your dog next time.

What's your dog's name?

My dog.

I got a new dog named Harley.

I'm going to kill it.

She had a 25.

Yeah, fucking fucking dog.

She's 13.

You don't have to wait long.

We actually already got the funeral planned.

Can I ask, can I ask, how do you guys, because you guys made like stunt vids, right?

Like you guys were doing, how does it get, like, was it just a natural progression of filmmaking from there?

Well, it was always, that was always, the YouTube stuff was just practicing to become filmmakers.

That was always the goal, always the aim.

And you know, speaking of stunts, Michael couldn't be listed as one of the directors at the start of Insurance for Bringer Back because he was in Detroit having death matches.

What does that mean?

It's like an extreme form of professional wrestling where they use like light tubes and barbed wire and real weapons and they cut each other up for real.

It's like an extreme performance art blood sport.

We're doing a documentary on it, and I was like, How are we in it?

You look okay.

You know,

they're Australians.

Yeah.

So they're like naturally immune to certain types of damage.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Luckily, we brought a barbed wire back.

Yeah, you see.

Listen, before we prologue any more of these films, I need you to eat a light bulb.

You got to see it.

It's visceral.

It's bloody.

It's good.

It's nice.

What was the, like, so just like, do you do that just for the thrill of it, or is it one of those that you just love physical action?

Both.

I think we've been obsessed with deathmatch wrestling since little kids.

So we used to do it with our friends, unfortunately.

But we had a big character.

There were parents that would literally not let their kids hang out with us.

No way.

Yeah, because we were so.

We were delinquents.

We were actual delinquents.

You just threatened to kill my dog.

Yeah, yeah.

I was jealous.

It was out of envy you.

No, dude, it was out of envy.

You guys had fun charges, though.

I looked at your Wikipedia pages.

Your charges are fun.

Yeah, yeah, we've had a few fun charges.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're nothing bad.

Like, really, like, nothing.

Just the stuff that honestly just excited me about you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Underwater cars, we got, Michael got arrested for, so did I.

Which wasn't even my idea.

And that was a video.

Shanny had an underwater car made and he didn't want to drive it.

Because I was filming and Michael's terrible at recording.

Excuse for everything.

Michael's so bad at recording.

What are you so bad at recording?

People were like, we would do a scene and I tried to be in the videos.

I tried to be in something.

And his footage is out of focus.

He's like, punched it in a weird way.

It's like, dude, just point it at me and film it.

Yes, but you were correct to be scared to get in an underwater car.

Well, no, I got in the underwater car.

I was filming in there.

Okay.

Yes, I was in there.

No, you weren't in there.

I don't even know why there's lies being thrown around.

And then the cops came and found you while you were in the middle of shooting right at the end of the day?

No, no, no.

So the video came out and then suddenly, like a year later, I would got Danny got arrested.

It wasn't a year later.

It was like a couple of months.

It's a funny thing, but getting arrested over making art is one of my favorite things in the face of the planet.

It was so good.

But I actually got arrested for pretending to be Michael.

Yeah, yeah, sure.

But then they arrested me.

And then Michael got arrested for the art.

Yeah.

They said I was like a wanted felon, like I had fled the country.

I was like, I haven't been hiding or anything.

I put the evidence on YouTube.

It's on a video.

It's like a year-long lawsuit.

What was the charge?

Driving recklessly, driving dangerously, driving without a license, driving without a seatbelt, driving

a car that's not seats.

Are you not American?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I said.

What happened with that?

How about littering?

We were going.

No, no, not littering.

Not littering.

No, that would have been a bad one.

They're pretty easy on littering, actually.

No, but it was a big thing in the end that I got off scot-free because I wasn't actually driving dangerously or recklessly.

No, we actually, it was a stunt performed.

It was a practice car.

It was a stunt.

The police said that they were going to have to recreate the underwater car to prove it was dangerous.

Yeah, dude.

We're going to do your all.

Yeah, they're going to do it.

Damn it, yeah.

We're going to make it all right.

Why don't we go for a race, boys?

Okay, let's get to movies.

Let's get to some movies.

I love

books.

That's my favorite kind of movie.

One that I'm directing inside of my own brain.

I I can cast it with all of my favorite porn stars.

That's my favorite.

But when I watch your movies, the first thing I noticed, which is that one of my favorite attributes, is that they feel extremely lived in.

Like they feel like, like, talk to me feels like you're watching a story that's already happened before and now it's happening again.

Which is also why talk to me, the sequel will also be perfect.

At some point, whenever that comes out, you better do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, Danny.

Hey, don't at me.

Yep.

Yep.

And then Bring Her Back is kind of also the same where you're dropped into a world that's already going.

Like, can you ask?

First thing I want to know is when you make that, like with the hand and talk to me and with the story in Bring Her Back, do you know that entire story before you write the film?

Because it seems like you know what's going on, but you leave sections out.

Yeah, that's my, I love it so much.

I love world building.

I love like building out the Bible and the backstory and the law and like going into every possible detail.

Like, I love ironing that out.

And then I also love dropping people into the middle of it.

And it's like told from the perspective of the characters and the point of view of the people that we're following.

Yes.

And like the kids being out of the depth of the hand and talk to me.

Like I love that.

Yeah.

So they're not sitting there researching it, figuring out all the answers.

But there's obviously a history there.

There's something happening.

And the same sort of this.

There is something that we've built out and we're designing right now that is like the hand of Talk to me to the bring her back universe.

And you know what?

Have you seen the bong?

The bowl?

The weed bowl that was made out of the hand?

Oh, yes, I love that thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's good stuff.

Yeah.

And

it's a candle holder, mate.

Yeah, we're going to talk about bongs.

It's a tobacco pipe.

That's what we say.

It's an incentive holder, buddy.

No, but it's the same as when you're writing a character.

You've got to know the entire backstory of the character.

You need to know all the moments that led up to this moment.

Why are are they like this?

Their personality.

What are the key moments in their life that made them this way?

And it's the same with the backstory of anything like on that other side of it.

The tapes.

Where did Laura get these tapes?

The backstory.

Who are these people?

Who created them?

Why?

What is the mythos?

The entire mythos.

You've got to know that stuff.

That's important to know.

So even though you never, same with the characters, there's a lot of things you'll never see on screen.

It's still important to have that.

So it feels real.

I like that thing, like with the shining and like that ending.

Like if you read the script, you know that Jack Torrens is being, he's like a resurrected person from someone that used to live in a hotel, but it's completely cut out of the movie.

Yeah.

And then there's the book that has all this backstory, and you're getting glimpses of this bigger world.

And I love that there's this, there's a bigger stage that these films are playing in.

Like, I love that.

Like, Malazan, do you know those books?

Yes.

Yes.

Do you know, like, there's this entire world, and you're like, you're reading it and you're a bit out of your depth.

And you're like, wait, what's this?

Who's this?

That's my favorite.

That's my favorite.

It's like, Dune, it's like why I like all the stuff where you're dropped in the center.

Now, your job as the viewer.

Yeah, you can figure it out.

It's to stay engaged.

It's so good.

I would say it's very arrogant of you to compare yourself to the shining.

I did not compare myself to the shining.

It's sort of like Stephen King.

The two of you together are close to a half a Kubrick, right?

That's what I'd say.

Maybe a quarter, maybe a quarter.

But yeah, I love that because my biggest pet peeve with horror movies is when they overexplain shit.

And you guys really leave it up to us to figure out.

And it's scarier that way because my imagination runs wild.

Yeah.

I'm sure you know the answers, but I honestly don't want to know the fucking answer.

Yeah, it's sort of like the theorizing, or when you come across like a piece of lost media, or you look at those old school footage, and you're like, you don't have the context, and you're like, what the fuck is this thing?

Like, this is terrifying.

This weird clip or this execution video, fake, but whatever it is.

And it's like, where are they?

What language are they speaking right now?

Like, what is happening?

Like, that stuff just makes for really horrific art.

I think that you guys are also bringing up, which is the our,

you know, probably closer to a younger generation, but also with my generation of the discovery.

Like our parents had finding weird shit in the woods.

Yeah.

We had finding weird shit on the internet.

Yes.

And we saw things in the street, but like we saw mysterious things on the internet.

And we, that was what inspired us.

And I think what Talk to Me and Bring Her Back are doing is understanding there's the same amount of mystery in the modern world as there was in the old world.

And I feel like that's what you're bringing bringing back.

In fact, I feel like there's more mystery in the modern world.

Yeah, it's exactly because it's more, in a way, it's more accessible.

The mystery, it's more accessible.

You'd think it would be, but it's still things you can't scratch.

It's still like, what did I just see?

Is that real?

Is that fake?

That's even scarier because that is, you can't differentiate that line now, and you're lost between those things.

And you're like,

people can fake this stuff, but also it's real enough that that real stuff also does happen.

So it's terrifying.

It's terrifying.

Yeah.

And also you have Sally Hawkins in Bring Her Back, who's legitimately like a Patriot missile actor.

Like, that is somebody.

What a fuck.

That's like driving a fucking Bentley.

I know.

As a director.

And we thought there's no fucking way that she would respond and she would say yes.

I still don't think she'll do it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was the most unrealistic because we, she was the first person that we reached out to, and we were thinking, there's no fucking way she's going to say yes.

She's like the new Amanda Plumber.

Yeah, that's her.

That's her.

We said that.

You're like the new Amanda Plumber.

That's turned out in the film.

Yeah, yeah, she's like, fuck you both.

Do you know who I am?

I make wet films.

She really does make quite a bit of wet movies.

She does.

Well, she loves Shape of Water.

She loved this.

It was the only reason she was drawn to it.

No, she was like, she wasn't drawn to it.

Yeah, so, oh, there's water in his eyes.

Can I be moist in the scene?

She was like, she didn't connect to it on like a genre level because she always reads it from a character's point of view.

It's just connected with Laura as a character, and she was just like going so in-depth with Laura and picking up on the smallest nuances of the script.

And she was, it's the best collaboration.

She dropped the little pieces of lore in the middle of her extreme acting that you can, like, but you're like, I'm watching it too, being like, oh, she just, she's threading the needle of all the info.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And especially with that, with uh, there's like a scene with Wendy, and she's like, Okay, I can't stop her physically.

I have to convince her, Like, please listen to me.

Listen.

We have a history together.

We know each other.

Please listen.

Listen.

Listen.

And like, she's so desperate.

Like, please, let me explain this to you.

I know it seems impossible.

It seems psychotic, but I'm telling you, like, a miracle is happening here.

Yeah.

Wow.

And she's, but she's nice in person.

She's beautiful.

But she is terrifying when she's fully in character.

Oh, I fucking bet, dude.

Can I ask this?

Okay.

Again, I'm trying not to bring any real

distinct spoilers for the film.

Well, look, I'm the director, so.

Can I ask them?

Rob brought this up.

I brought, my wife and I both kind of pinged this too.

Or talk to me and bring her back in the same world.

Maybe.

Yeah.

Jeez, who said that?

I don't know who said that.

Mysterious.

Mysterious.

They seem to be like they're kind of, because they both revolve around, we're both like, it's like a mysterious object.

It has some storied past between the hand and the tape.

Well, there's this thing where it's like you're writing stuff and you're always like putting things together.

And like there was like

parts in the script writing when characters in Bringerback were in Talk to Me.

Characters that were in Talk to Me were in Bringer Back because they were written at the same time.

Yeah.

And like you find that, you find your footing and you find the structure and you find the bones.

Like the more that you go over a script and the more you're iron over it, you're like, oh, okay, this is that.

Like this makes sense.

Like sometimes when you, it's like scribbles.

It's just like rough drawings everywhere when you're first starting off with something, and then eventually it like it, you know, you color it in, and the full picture is there.

Every movie is going to be set in the same neighborhood.

Yeah.

So in the next movie,

yeah.

Someone's going to be driving along with the lookover.

Laura's kidnapping Oliver.

My hand's going to have a hitchhiking thumb.

We've got to get out of this goddamn neighborhood.

This block's horrible.

See, you guys don't mind the Australian accent?

No, I love it.

No, I love it.

Yeah, Yeah, I love it.

Does it feel uncinematic at all to people?

What are you talking about?

Do you really think that?

No, no, no, people in an Australian accent.

No, I do as well.

No, because even they say, if you guys say,

what's that over there?

In an American accent, it sounds scary, but in Australian, oh, what's that over there, my

fuckers are scared of shit.

Oh, yeah, if we're afraid.

Yeah, that must be scary.

Yeah, it's true.

You know, it's so funny because, like, you even say that.

Like, no, honestly, I think one of the most incredible things you've done with also both is make believable friend groups and believable families and looks like they all like hang out and they all like belong together i felt like i knew them i didn't even notice the accent to be honest with you yeah that's amazing and and and like in australia like and some of the stuff that we've worked on just like as crew members they're like you have to like australians like i'm gonna stand that like like really really pronunciate it so if you're like oh what's that that over there they're like oh no that's mumbly oh what's that over there and like it becomes okra australian or tour Australian, where it feels really false.

And then Australians have this cultural cringe about it where they're like, oh, that feels weird.

And then Americans are like, that sounds weird.

And then it's just, there was something about it, like, especially when we went into making Talk to Me.

Like, the producers are the people that we originally gave the script to were like, can we film it somewhere else?

Like, what about with American accents?

That could be more accessible.

What about in America?

You do it in America.

That's very interesting.

I actually love the

hometown sort of authenticity.

Like, I like that.

I love it as as well.

And I love that there's certain words or phrases that are from Australia that audience members would be like, what's that mean?

I think that's unique.

But you know, they mean it.

You know, you, the actors know what they're saying.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that's something that's, because we had one chance, it was like, Talk to Me was it.

It was our only movie we're probably going to make because it probably wouldn't work or whatever.

So we, it, to us, it felt right to do it authentically.

And Australian is authentic.

That's where we knew.

That's the people we know and how we grew up.

So it felt right doing that.

So the fact that it resonated, you know, kind of internationally, and I think it does because it doesn't matter who the people are, where they're from, it's a human to human exactly.

Yeah, so we all know those people, it doesn't matter, yeah, where you're from, yeah.

Well, it's also the kids are using, especially in talk to me, they're using it to like it's drugs, yes, yeah, that's what's awesome.

It's a fun game.

Yes, I would do the hand if the hand was available to me.

I'd be fucking on the keyboard, wouldn't you?

Yeah, oh, oh, yeah, I'll fucking do the hand.

No, I'm not doing the hand.

Get on the damn hand!

If anything, I'll fight the people with the hand.

No, you have to follow the rules yeah as long as you follow the rules you can use the hand no you can't yes you can't the rules are bullshit boys relax

this is a whole gig don't make us relax

oh man but seriously though man what that would talk to me i'm watching this fucking movie and i'm i'm looking at all these kids and they're going crazy and i'm just like stop touching that fucking hand just stop it with the hand.

You guys are going too crazy.

And it's just like, it's, I felt the same way when I was at a party and like someone kid had stolen like a nitrous tank from a hospital.

Yeah.

And like everyone was doing the balloons.

And then when I saw like two kids almost die, I felt like I was back in that room when I was watching that movie.

Dude, that was like one of the inspiration points.

Was like our like these neighbors that we watched grow up.

He was like having a bad reaction to this drug that he was taking.

He was on the floor convulsing.

And everyone he was with was just filming him and laughing at him.

And then I saw that footage and I was like, God damn, that's fucking barbaric.

Yeah, man.

Hours of one filming it.

That's why you're a director.

You're able to distance from the emotional effect.

You know?

But yeah, even like when you're writing those characters and like,

same as like we've talked to me and bring her back, like draw from real experiences, like draw from things that make you uncomfortable.

Like for example,

there's these things, Greek Orthodox funerals in Australia.

They probably do this everywhere.

I mean, you know when they've got an open casket?

Oh, yeah.

And then in Greek conference funerals, you have to kiss the head of the corpse.

See, that's something I did not know.

I did not know about.

That's a real thing.

You kiss their heads and you don't have to do it.

Like, that's not something that you have to do.

And like, so if people freak out about it and they don't go there, and you can see it's really bothering them to see even like a body or a casket, they don't have to go up to it.

But Laura is trained in this.

Like, she's a child therapist.

She's a psychologist.

She knows this is bothering him.

And she's like, I'm going to pull him up there.

Because she's trying to break his ass she's trying to break his ass make him unreliable get him out of the house yeah and and yeah i don't want to spoil anything no no no it's so hard to not there because i want to yeah yeah and and uh that's what's so terrifying and it's like it's tapping into that like that was freaky to me as a kid i remember when my grandfather died there was like this woman that i didn't really like that much and she was like not even really part of the family and she like came up and put her arm around me and like i was like i'm trying to grieve here and then she was like pulling me like you're okay he's okay everyone it was this weird weird thing where I was like, oh, gosh, like, it felt really.

And she told you to kiss your grandfather?

No, that didn't happen.

Lower.

Lower, kiss him lower.

It felt like cold marble.

Yes,

I kissed a dead head once, and it is upsetting.

I wish I didn't.

Where were you?

Yeah, what did you do?

My mom died.

You know, and I was saying,

it's fine.

Don't worry.

It's been a long time.

We can joke about it.

The other corpses that he's played with have mostly been extremely warm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because

he's got it fresh.

I feel like you two guys have probably killed someone.

I know.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, not in this country.

You said, hey, you carry something.

Hey, cut that out.

Cut that out.

No.

Can I see your acting face of strangling someone?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Come on.

All right, come on.

No, this is me taking it.

Yeah, see?

You know.

But you can do it again.

I love you.

I love you.

But you do it.

I love you.

You're bad.

I best be out.

We're going to wrap this up.

We know how to talk to big directors.

Yeah, that's what we are.

But big directors.

You're actually quite physically small.

Yes.

Were you surprised?

A lot of people say that.

They see us a person, they go, oh.

I think we sound quite small.

Yeah, yeah, but you're wiry fuckers.

I ain't trying to fight you.

You know, yeah.

Did you ever get in fight as brothers?

Like, did you fight dudes as brothers?

Oh, like, together?

Yeah, we did.

We used to fight people in the neighborhood.

Yeah.

We were pretty cool.

It's just, it's called having a go, right?

Yeah, you don't give it a crack.

And that was just how kids bought each other.

You just fight each other.

Yeah, a lot of the kids that we fought, we became friends with.

Yeah.

Of course.

You got to fight them.

And then you're friends with them.

I was surrounded mostly by girls.

Did you fight them?

No, we played little games.

Whoa, no.

My sister.

My disturbed.

My sister.

My sister used to fight us.

And she would,

she has to have the last hit.

Oh, I bet.

Oh, yeah.

And she'll chase you with a fucking frying pan until she cracks you over the head she will not stop there's no no stopping her does she like the movies is she does she come and see them she loves them she's she's in the end in the end of that

in the in the in the hey hey hey hey don't uh in the at the end of the film

at the end of the film there's someone that gets out of a car that is my sister Oh, wow.

That's okay.

And then our cousin was in the back seat too.

And then she starts getting out and we cut it.

She's like so bad.

She's like, I can't wait to be in the movie.

And I was like, Yeah,

it was the same in talking to me.

She was in it, and the scene got cut.

I feel so bad.

Yeah, it's not a cut.

It's not.

No, it's not Alana.

But you've got to perform better, or we're not going to use it.

Honestly, it's about being in the right scene.

Yes, correct.

Or in the right position.

Oh, yes.

I remember I was in Wolf of Wall Street and one of these.

Here we go.

Hey, listen.

Hey, gather round.

Gather around.

Gather around.

Let me tell you a story.

Listen, there's many.

I'm almost nine years older than you both.

But I always remember because there was a scene where it was one of the plane orgies, and the AD told everybody, all the ladies on set, that if you're going to be on set today, you might be nude, right?

And so there were ladies next to Leo, and he said to one of them, just so you know, you're going to be naked in this scene, so you're going to take off your clothes, blah, blah, blah.

And she was like, actually, I have a contract for a previous contract where I'm not supposed to get naked in the scene.

He's like, that's totally fine.

We're just going to have to move you out because they've been talking about they want.

And she was like, no, I'll do it.

And then she just took off all of her clothes because she knew she'd be in the, she'd make it.

Were you in that scene?

Yes, I was in all the orgies.

What?

You're in the film?

Yeah.

Have you seen Wolf of Wall Street?

I've seen Wolf of Wall Street.

And he's the fat, ugly one.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that film.

I'm so interested.

Hey, I love it.

That was the only time.

That was the closest I ever got to seeing that.

What?

So you are extras on different.

How many films have you been on?

I was an actor in that.

You were an actor.

I used to act on.

I was like six or seven legitimate films.

I used to be good.

I used to be very pastor.

Do you get rusty?

People get rusty.

You know what's funny is that I think that

I got fat again.

I was just kidding.

I actually got skinny again.

I got skinny and then I got fat again.

And what, isn't like you lost roles when you got skinny?

Oh, yes.

Really?

Very much so.

Oh, no.

I was.

I will tell you the truth.

This is a full-on exposure.

It was between me and Patrick.

What's his name?

Swayze?

Yes.

Me and him always were against each other.

Always.

No, it was.

For Paul Hauser.

Yeah, it was for Itanya.

And then they asked me if I could gain 100 pounds.

Oh, my God.

And they said, no.

I was like, no.

Yeah, no, I couldn't get it.

I was too skinny.

I got too skinny, and then I lost all this roll.

100 pounds?

Is that awesome?

It's a lot.

No, they wanted me to be.

You just gain 100 pounds.

Oh, don't worry.

Believe me.

I just gained five pounds sitting here.

I'm a coach.

Oh.

Yeah, big fat piece of shit.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Horror, he looks so familiar.

Wait, go into his IMDB.

What else?

What have I seen him in?

Yeah, I did this.

It was in a show called Your Pretty Face Is Going to Hell.

This is amazing for me.

Oh, he is.

We're going to cut all of this.

Yes, he exists.

Can I cut all of this?

Now I'm just talking with them.

I'm going to go do a podcast of him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Look at that guy.

I do it every week.

It's not that great.

Can I ask?

All right, so now let's go back to the Ken DB page.

Let's get back to you.

No!

No, Trema movies.

Tremor movies.

I love Tremor movies.

I collected those as a kid.

We know Lloyd Kaufman.

If you want to go work for free, he'll gladly take you stuff.

Yeah, I think you have to pay him to work for him.

our first like six jobs on sets were completely free i would have loved a kauffman set dude damn the trauma movies were awesome you know what's funny because like we did get in touch with the that crew and it's it is have you found that yet have you met

How do I put this?

Have you met a hero that's disappointed you?

Do you know what's weird?

Like the heroes that I've met have all been pretty heroic.

Great.

Nice.

Yes.

Sam Ramy.

Oh, he was so nice.

You know what's awesome?

It's so cool in LA because all these people are local.

So we had a movie night just the other night with Fede Alvarez.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

And we watched Zach Kreggers.

And Zach Kregis, we watched Weapons.

Fuck yeah.

That was awesome.

That was so.

I'm like, this is so Hollywood right now.

Oh my god.

And you're like, and exchanging stories and stuff.

It's incredible.

Yeah.

That's so awesome.

Fede Alvarez is funny.

Oh, he's cool, man.

That new alien movie was fucking awesome.

I really enjoyed it.

I can't wait to see what else this guy does.

Now, when you're in this situation, are you guys as fun as you are now, or are you like actually playing it cool?

I feel a little bit of both.

We're in the middle there because we're at his house.

We don't know him too well, but you came out with like guns blazing.

So I was like, oh, yeah, we can publish that.

That's the goal.

Yeah, here

we're not as elevated.

What?

Any room that we're in, I remember we were at like this 824 party, and it was just all these directors were there.

Real directors.

Real directors.

And I felt so out of place in that room.

I was like, I do not deserve to be in here.

Well, you do now, man.

That's fucking everything you guys doing is incredible.

Yeah, dude, you're two for two.

Yeah.

Do you think so?

I know so.

I'll tell you what, you're two for two.

We were talking about The Shining earlier.

Used to be the scariest movie I ever saw.

These two movies have taken it over in one day.

Are the scariest fucking films I've ever seen?

And you also scarred him.

This is the type of shit that scars.

I'm like mad at you and also impressed.

So, can I ask?

So, you're saying, like, characters appear in and out of your films as you're writing them.

I know that, like, you know, obviously, there's probably not a lot you could say about you were developing a Street Fighter movie.

Was M.

Bison ever in Talk to Me?

Uh, M.

Bison did.

We weren't as in love with Bison as we were Akuma.

We love Akuma.

Do you know?

We were in the street fighter rabbit hole for a while.

It was a lot of fun.

I was traveling around Thailand, going to different Muay Thai camps,

doing research, looking for the real Sagat who still trains people.

Whoa!

In Thailand,

that level with a giant Buddha statue, that's a real place.

No, that's an actual place in Thailand.

Yeah, so I was going to these places and I was like speaking to these trainers that apparently he'd been with, and he's they're like, ah, he's over here now.

So I was traveling around.

It was awesome.

It was so much fun.

Did you find him?

Yeah, I found him.

Well, he's so tall.

It's probably easy.

He's short in real life.

He's shorter than me.

He's short.

He's shorter than me in real life.

How about Blanca?

How was he in real life?

Exactly the same.

You know what they say?

Never meet your heroes?

Exactly.

Exactly as I wanted him to be.

It was hard to turn down Street Fighter.

It was hard to walk.

It was hard.

It was just a...

What are you singing?

I don't know what that was.

It's flues.

Yeah, thank you.

You're in America.

Oh, I'm in America.

So I started singing.

No,

it was just scheduling.

It was between Bring Her Back and Street Fighter.

We love Street Fighter.

Bring Her Back.

It's more personal.

It felt more right.

I don't know.

Yeah, you were correct.

Well, luckily, Street Fighter.

I didn't see our Street Fighter movie.

But you know what, though?

Legendary Pitchers is amazing.

And I think they're going to do a good job with Street Fighter.

You don't think something like that's going to come back around?

Also, something like that.

No, because they're making it still.

I remember

I read an article that it's being postponed indefinitely.

And I was like, yeah.

And then I text him like what's going on with street fighter like that's a full story it's still happening like yes as far as video games go you know what no one gives a shit about street fighter one street fighter two is the real game

to say that's the real game that's the best street fighter no no he's holding street fighter one oh yeah wait he's saying street fighter two is the shit oh i see

street fighter two don't make street fighter one because it's bound for failure

yeah we'll sign up with street fighter two oh my god the set pieces we're making it would have been brilliant But anyway, bring it back.

Bring it back to Willie Hyper.

Are you talking about the interview?

But truly, I think that you made the utterly correct choice because the more you guys are betting on yourself, the more you're making an extremely good movie.

I think

there's time for you guys to do some IP.

Yeah, and what's exciting, as opposed to taking a big IP, is making your own IP.

Amen.

And it's like, oh, what if in 20 years they want to remake Talk to Me?

That'll be pretty cool.

Yeah.

Yeah, no.

No, they'll be on Talk to Me 10 by then.

Yeah, Talk to Me X.

Dude, dude, Talk to Me X in Space.

Dude,

I've written out 40 sequel ideas.

I'm going to show you the list.

You will love it.

You guys.

You will actually love it.

That is all I want to see.

The more, have it show up at fucking, like, you know, it should be go back in time.

You'd be going to be able to do it.

Michael, keep talking while I get this up.

You're going to love this.

I need to get my sequel ideas up.

Talk to me.

They build it with pyramids.

Stop.

Well, honestly, we're doing this alien festival in a couple of weeks.

Contact in the desert.

Talk to me.

Bring that hand to the alien festival.

What's this alien festival?

Contact in the desert.

It's a bunch of people who've been abducted and shit.

I was on Time magazine as like the main, one of the main photos for the storming Area 51.

No way.

Yeah, that was me.

He clapped the alien cheeks.

Why was that?

Oh, my God.

So what?

You stormed Area 51?

Do you have the bullet holes to prove it?

I was like, I'm like, if everyone runs, I'm running as well.

And there were SWAT cars everywhere.

There was people with guns.

And then I I was like, I can't wait to get there.

We pulled up, like 50,000 people RSVP'd.

There was like 50 people there.

Yeah.

And everyone said this.

I think the military were like, if you do cross the line, we're going to shoot.

They're like, we literally will shoot you.

Yeah, yeah.

We're not fucking around.

It's Area 51.

And everyone was just.

Stop the Capitol building, for Christ's sake.

It looked scary for those people.

It was terrifying.

And there were people getting arrested.

But no, it was a good time.

Let me get my sickle ideas up.

Quickly, Michael, change the subject.

Change it.

Talk to him.

Honestly, did you Naruto

towards areas?

I wasn't there.

I Naruto, right?

Naruto ran.

Here's the picture.

Does someone edit things?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Here's the picture.

In fact, there's two pictures.

Here's the two pictures.

I wanted two different outfits.

I was all about it.

This is amazing.

Wow.

You know what?

It's a big deal, guys.

How come you didn't, by the way?

Because, to be honest, I'm a pussy.

I don't want to get arrested.

Let's just stay in the desert, right?

You know, honestly, I'm so, I must be most.

I'm sitting in water right now, like the same as Sally Hawkins.

I literally am sitting within water right now just to sit.

Do you know what's cool about Sally Hawkins?

No matter how cold it was, no matter how bad the stump was, they're like, oh, we're going to pad you up because you're about to hit the wall.

She's like, was Laura wearing pads?

I don't think Laura's wearing pads are.

She's a scene where she jumps in the water at the beginning of the movie.

It was the first day.

And they're trying to put a wetsuit on.

They're dad wetsuits.

She's like, so when was Laura wearing?

I don't know when.

Did Laura put on the sweatsuit before she jumped in?

Or did she see her daughter and jump in?

And I was like,

seller.

She's the fucking best.

I hope y'all are going to be pushing for her to get an Oscar for this because it was unbelievable.

It's probably two genre to get an Oscar.

Man, fuck that.

Not after last year.

Not after the substance.

My problem is that.

You changed everything.

It's all things.

If you let the Oscars infect horror movies, it will never be the same.

If horror movies get too big for their britches, it's never going to be the same.

We are never too big for our britches because

step back down.

Humble yourself.

Yeah, humble yourself.

No, we're going to win all the Academy Awards.

No, no.

It's sort of like, I like that the crossover is happening.

We are in such a boom right now for horror.

It's like, it's back.

We're in the 80s again.

Oh,

heaven.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Heaven.

Definitely substance went that far.

It's honestly awesome.

Subody horror.

Those Ferratu, sinners, now you fuckers.

It's crazy what's happening right now.

Well, I wouldn't put us in that category.

Yeah, I said, yeah, you're above.

You put those three.

Put us in a couple of times.

There'll probably be a couple down there.

But no, dude, I mean, bring her back.

I'm not just sucking the forever.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, it's a great movie.

I put it in close to like, because I right now, my truly favorite modern horror film is Hereditary, and it is right on its tails.

It's like doing the same,

it gave me the same feeling, which is literally what Eddie was saying.

I wanted to shut the movie off and run away.

Oh my god, that's awesome.

I literally, at one point today, I stood up in the middle of my living room, woke up my wife, who was still asleep, and I'm like, it's just too much.

I mean, it's too much.

He doesn't even want it.

If you've seen the movie, you know what that sound is.

Yeah, you know what?

Did I tell you?

Here's a story.

There was a certain sound that we couldn't replicate.

Whoa.

The sound as Ada was doing it.

So I got a knife and I did it.

No.

And on the microphone, right up close.

And that's what you hear.

It's like, okay, this is going to be hard to watch.

You can close your eyes, but do it so you have to try and close your ears as well.

It's going to be too, too confronting.

See, that's a real director, though.

You stood and you're like, I'm not getting it enough.

And also, yeah, so like part of me is like, oh, I think this could, like, maybe like

non-genre fans might like it.

But then the other part of me is like, because of scenes like that, I'm like, you have to be a hardened horror fan to enjoy it.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

Do you think you'll stay doing genre forever?

I think, well, we're doing the documentary next.

Yeah, so there's that.

And then I think that we're writing a few different things.

We are.

But I think the next thing.

Like, I still want to do two more horror films.

I know for sure.

I've got two that I've got mapped out of my head, me and my co-writer.

And like, I need to do them.

People are going to be coming to see them if you make them.

What's the documentary?

Uh, the Death Mouse Wrestling.

Oh,

that's also going to do extremely well because I think that people are really interested in that and wanting to be a whole world.

So, yeah, I mean, well, I just don't know because that's real blood.

I don't know how many people can actually watch it.

It's a real underground form of wrestling, but it's exciting.

I find it exciting.

How does people, when people get into death wrestling, like honestly, like, is it just real?

Not to, I'm not saying that they're not quote unquote real wrestlers, but it's like trained wrestlers also doing it as well or is it just psychopaths yeah no

a big thing of the documentary is why what draws people to do it why do they do it well they are professional wrestlers they are professional wrestlers train yeah yeah but it's and it's not for money it's not it's god forbid something else yeah yeah they don't get they don't make much money from it and they're literally killing themselves it's passionate yeah it's passionate there's a few different reasons yeah that's how that's that's what i bring to my health eating game yeah yeah

it's a passion

Wait, hold on.

I'm so sorry.

I just want to.

When does this alien festival thing?

I really want to go.

So are you a guy?

Are you a true believer?

Dude, I love alien shit.

Please.

Oh, my God.

If you're ever in town for this, it's at the end of May each year.

It's called Contact in the Desert.

Damn, it's the end of May.

Damn, I'm going to leave tomorrow.

But it's the number.

If you're ever here, I'm certain that I don't know what Australia has in terms of UFO coverage.

You guys actually have one of the most

there's a great deal of UFO lore

in Australia.

There's nothing else to do but look at the the sky.

But there's also one that you guys don't know.

Which one?

It's called Param.

Please.

Please, he's elucidate.

Param.

They experiment on aliens there.

Oh, no, is that a base?

It's a base.

And there's a town near it.

And when the lights go red, no one can get out of their house.

Fuck yes.

Yes, I've been there.

And it's horrific.

Really?

No, no, it's pretty chill.

But like, apparently, like, there's theories there that there's aliens there.

I've not seen any such aliens.

Where is that located?

In South Australia.

South Australia.

Yeah, because we went through South Australia.

We drove to Snowtown.

Lovely place.

See, that's crazy.

The guys have been to Adelaide.

You're the only Americans that have been to South Africa.

He went to Snowtown.

We went straight to Snowdown.

We were in Adelaide for 28 hours, and we were like, you know what, let's drive to Snowtown.

It might be more happening there.

What were you doing?

You were doing a show there?

Yeah.

You were doing a show.

We had a tour in Australia and New Zealand last year.

Oh, my God.

It's so weird.

There's like concerts don't come to Adelaide because no one goes to things.

Dude, Adelaide was.

The theater we were in was awesome.

Damn, go, Adelaide.

What, Darby?

Love you, Adelaide.

Adelaide Rippin'.

I love Redelaid.

Adelaide was one of our best shows in the fucking entire little tour.

Yeah, see, that's awesome.

I love, see, it's changing then.

The pendulum's shifting.

Maybe we are becoming a bit more cultured and arty.

It was funny.

It was like, there were literally three dudes in the front row that were like the three stooges.

They were beating each other up the whole show and like throwing beers at each other.

It was awesome.

It was very Australian.

But it was very funny.

It was like they weren't even that disruptive.

You know what I mean?

Like they were kind of just amongst themselves.

But we went to Snowtown and they literally looked at us because they know why we're there.

Like, why are these three fat Americans here?

And they're all like, what brings you to town?

What brings you to town?

And we're all like, just driving

food.

I heard a disturbing story because, you know, how the barrels got discovered because the smell.

Yeah,

sludge.

Yeah, so when it did get found out and it was on the news and everything, people were like, like driving there and then trying to sniff under the bank vault to smell the

boy.

I just want to smell it.

I just want to smell it.

Quick ball whipfout.

Nothing I love better than a true crime story that's scratch and sniff.

Oh,

I forgot to offer you guys.

Would you like some cheese crackers, knife?

I'd love some cheese crackers.

Yeah, would you like your favorite snack, which is a knife?

I'm loving this.

Don't even walk out and throw that in the bed.

Can you sign that, please?

Man, you are too fucking lyricists, aren't you?

Yeah, we're a little, we're a little.

Michael, are you okay?

How?

Sorry.

Well, he was definitely wrestling, and that hurt him.

Just take it easy, man.

Take it easy.

You know what I had in the.

I was going to bring it, but I thought against it.

It's in the car.

What is it?

I had a fake knife and fake blood, and I was going to start showing you some of the stuff.

No, you were going to blow out of that carpet.

You did a real.

You should probably.

It's the shining carpet.

Hello!

Yeah, it's the shining carpet.

We're very on brand here.

Oh, my gosh.

Yeah.

We're very, very on brand here.

The plants are fake.

Yeah, we got a lot out of Poutremont.

That's from, oh, that is from a wonderful place we hear, which is called Lowe's.

What a wonderful place here.

Oh, alien.

We have a lot of shit out of it.

All right, so let you know: if you ever want to come to like Contact in the Desert is awesome, but it's like we're all true believers.

It's the first place that I've ever been to where I went to this place.

It's at this resort near Palm Springs, Contact in the Desert.

And we, I kind of thought we'd all be getting drunk and being in the pool.

And it's like, all of these nerds in the lobby talking about UFOs, they are, they make me.

They're like dressed up by like galactic fighters and stuff.

And I am out of place.

I must like, I thought I was a serious one.

I'm used to like literally alienating people and making people upset.

I was like, y'all are alienating me.

Like,

I was like, you guys should be in the pool.

This is the time for you to fuck.

Like, this is the time for you all to flirt and fuck each other.

And this, he's like, you shouldn't be here.

You're all talking shop.

Oh, my God.

But it is good.

That is good.

We were writing an alien movie.

Oh, yeah.

No, no, no, wait.

Wait, hold on.

I was just going to say,

in the defense to the galactic warriors, you needed someone to defend you.

And if the aliens were coming, they were ready.

While you were fucking in the pool,

they're protecting you.

I'll fucking aliens.

I would fucking.

Who knows what disease you'd contract?

But no, listen, listen, listen.

We were writing it, writing an alien movie, but then Jordan Peel released the trailer for Nope.

Yeah.

And I was like, no, all right.

Nope.

But Nopey kind of made it into sort of like a creature feature.

Yeah, like more than an alien movie.

I still think you guys got an alien movie.

Oh my gosh.

There's no way you guys don't have an alien movie.

Oh, we were writing an alien movie.

Oh, it's, and there's this one.

Do you know what's a great alien movie?

Fire in the sky.

Yep.

Yeah.

How great is that?

Isn't it?

And Phenomenon, the documentary Phenomenon.

I love how it's wrapped everything up and it's dude.

Travis Malton spoke at the festival last year and then at night he's playing guitar by the fire.

Oh, that a couple of this fucking fire.

The guy with fire in the sky is there like flirting with like, he's like hanging out.

Oh, he's like a rock star there.

Yeah, that's wicked.

I'm going to tell you a story about that off camera.

Okay, great.

It's the best story you'll ever hear.

Really?

Alien, alien vibes.

Alien story vibes.

But I really think that you're, because, you know, it's very weird.

Cut that out.

Because they're going to feel like they're leaving out.

We didn't mean to leave you out.

No, we love to leave him out.

We love to leave him out.

It's just one of those things that if you talk about, you could get into trouble.

You've already given away like five spoilers for your movie that's not even out yet don't even worry about it you know all this stuff like but i was researching about how the united states had nuclear weapons bases in australia pointed at north korea and when we decommissioned all those bases then all of this ufo like this is all in the last like three years there's like a massive influx of australian ufo stories that were hidden for a long time because they were all now told by guys that are decommissioned officers from those old bases.

Here's my thing.

Okay.

Aliens are real.

Sure.

Bring it back to the cinemas very soon.

Don't forget that, guys.

It's out now.

Yeah, bring her back.

You've got to check it out.

You guys have to check that out.

Bring her back.

Just so we remember.

But yes.

Okay.

You know how we've got drones and we're flying them around?

Yeah.

And you know how we can like observe planets from all the smiles away?

Yes.

You know, we are like light years away.

We can observe.

If they're that.

Sophisticated and they're that ahead of us and their technology and stuff that we couldn't imagine How are we capturing them on camera?

Why are they floating around down here?

They could observe.

No, no, no.

How are we even knowing?

How is all the footage?

Looks like it was on like a Nokia 30.

No, but even when it isn't, even when it isn't, there's no, where's a 4K?

Even when it isn't over at planets,

where's the good footage of the aliens?

But what if we are barely acknowledged by them?

What if they're, it's half the phenomena could be interdimensional.

So, what if when we see something that looks like an amorphous floating, like kind of QB type thing, that is our translation in this dimension of a craft that is literally going on a grocery store run in another dimension that might look like one of those things from like Starfleet.

They're not even in it.

Or there's dumb aliens.

Like tourist aliens.

There has to be.

There's dumb tourist aliens.

And they crashed the UFO.

And I thought, oh, what the hell are you doing?

They talked about you guys that are fire.

It's the BS.

Got it, Dylan Craig.

Stop crashing and fucking unplanned.

You crashed on Earth.

Just for the other side of the atmosphere.

Take a look at this.

I got the keys to dad's carp.

We're going on it.

Come on,

Delience.

You know, like, that's the stuff that's fun.

Yeah, but going back to what you said, it's hard to get a picture of that stuff because you're so in shock when you see it.

Like right now, going back to my dying dog.

All right, I got a 17-year-old dog that has seizures, okay?

And every time she has a seizure, I'm supposed to get a video of it.

Be careful with the knife.

I'm supposed to get a video of it for the vet.

But every time, I'm like worried about the seizure.

So then by the time I get the video out, she's done season why are you it's the same thing as for the alien yeah

him filming his elderly dog seizing is definitely the same as intergalactic travelers

no i i see it you could be in that that much shock you know that you're like i don't know if i saw the ufo i would get that but you're a director here

yeah well yeah yeah all right three um just give us three talk to me sequel concepts that you were gonna do before we go yeah before we go wait quickly what happened was my phone isn't working in terms of.

Is there a Wi-Fi here?

No.

No.

We're not allowed.

Yes, it's right there.

Oh, right there.

Michael, do you want to?

Did you have some talks about ideas?

It's not going to work unless I read them out because they're written out.

Michael, ask him another question.

I'll pitch you one.

All right.

You ready?

I love it.

Go.

All right.

M.

Bison.

Okay.

We've already got that one.

That one's written down.

All right.

Katie Alvarez.

Dude, you write it as you, as directors, super meta.

Oh, yeah, like Nightmare.

Yeah,

you're new.

But that's like number 11.

Yeah, that's when we really get desperate.

All right, it's going to come.

It's going to come.

It's going to come.

It's going to come.

Can't wait.

It's going to come.

Come on, come on.

Don't make him come.

Please don't make him come.

All right.

Talk to me.

Yep.

Oh, okay.

Already done.

That letter already networks.

Written.

Talk to me again.

Yep.

Okay.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Talk for me.

These are titles.

These aren't.

No, no, these are ideas.

No, no, no.

These are 820s.

I already see it.

These are.

Talk to me five more times.

Wow.

No, high five.

Oh, yes.

High five.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

Yep, that's five years.

Why are you still talking to me?

Whoa, number six.

That's the retcon.

Yep.

Talk to me in Tokyo.

Yep, Tokyo Drift.

I was also thinking of one, look who's talking to me now.

Oh, yes, I love that.

She's lyrics.

Again, all these are just titles, right?

No, no, no, these are movies.

These are movies.

I've written lots of these.

Talk to me Hand Takes Manhattan.

Oh,

yes.

Oh, it's got to be in the 80s club scene.

Yes.

Oh, yes.

Yes.

You can get a producer credit.

Oh, yeah.

It gets a long pinky nail and it starts doing like it does coke for people and shit.

Now we're getting silly at it.

No, I'm not.

I'm not getting good.

These are good.

Talk to me, Triple H's.

Porno and Space.

Yeah.

Everyone's expecting space.

Don't give them what they expect.

No, full penetration.

Talk 12?

No, that one didn't hit.

That one.

That movie's not as popular.

That one didn't hit as much.

Unless it's at a heist, and it's like Ocean's 12, and then you have George Clooney having to steal the hand from a casino vault.

Yes, see, yeah.

Yes,

talk to me.

That's like an AI version with Michael Jackson.

Talk to me.

You guys want to see what this looks like?

Oh my God, because of the glove.

Yes.

Oh, wow.

See, he's getting it.

Thank you.

These are smart.

Torf Tomy embalmed foot version.

Oh,

that's disgusting.

Yeah.

That would honestly make...

Why is it if it's a foot, I'd vomit if I saw the film.

Then you have to suck on the top toe or whatever.

Plenty of toe-sucking.

No.

Well, no, but not if it's...

Hmm.

Toe-sucking was actually kind of peaceful.

You liked that team.

He mouth kisses the dog.

dog, he sucks on his wife's toes, and he's a huge fan of your film.

And he just so

it all lights up.

He's he is the best movies I've ever seen.

You're marketing it towards him.

How about, oh, the porno one should be cocked to me.

Oh, cocktomy.

Yes.

Yeah.

There was a talk-to-be porno.

There was a talk-to-me porno.

Oh, of course.

Seriously?

Yeah, yeah.

I sent it to Sophie.

And I was like, was that inappropriate?

But then she laughed.

I was like, dude, that is a high level of praise.

I know.

Yeah.

And they were possession porn.

It was really fun.

Was it like fingering someone and then like she saw a ghost?

I didn't watch it that intensely.

Come to me.

You filmed it, Danny.

I did not.

That's not a day.

It's only harassment if you're in the film.

I did not harass.

I was not part of that film.

But yeah,

they were possessed and having sex.

Come inside me.

No, that's enough titles about that.

Yeah, it stops.

Stop telling them to come inside you.

They're trying to leave town.

What would you say?

what was what stuck with you more since you watched them both today talk to me or bring her back bring her back bring her back Why why and why it was it's definitely like halfway.

I was like a half hour in I'm like, oh, this isn't as bad.

I can handle this and then it's just so unforgivingly brutal.

It really is and it's just like it like made me visibly upset.

I had to like I literally turned it on.

I don't think I could have seen it in the movie theater.

I'm going to now because I've seen it already.

And so now I feel like I can see it in the movie theater because I know it's going to happen.

I'm just going to watch the audience get pissed.

And then from the level of discomfort that I haven't experienced, have you seen the coffee table?

I have not yet.

The coffee table's fucked up.

Oh, I thought you were talking about the scene in the movie, but that's no, I'm talking about a movie called The Coffee Table

that is fucked up.

But you know what I like is when it doesn't feel like it's just exploitation.

That's it.

Like that's what that's why it messed me up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because it was real and it was based in emotions.

And like, you know, as people, as someone who's experienced loss, you're a fragile person and you make these horrible decisions.

That's why Sally Hawkins' character is fucking unbelievable in that movie because you could tell, we were talking about this before you got here, that she used to be a really good person.

Yeah, she

was like, yes, yeah.

She wants to make it like a character that you uncomfortably empathize with.

And I think that's what's great about Sally is that she brought it.

She brought a human element to it.

She didn't play it like a horror villain.

She played it as a broken human being.

And she's struggling with what she's doing.

Yeah, she's struggling with what she's doing.

She really is.

And then the button.

well, again,

now I'm just spoiling it.

I'm going to try to show you that.

That's amazing.

You guys were, honestly, the ending is amazing.

You have to see the film.

Is there, like, what would you say is like a series of references for you guys?

Like, your films.

Like, what are your main

go-to films in your head?

Always in Treatment, which is a TV show.

Yeah.

Because of how realistic those characters feel and how real the world feels.

And something like throwing water on somebody feels like a car crash.

So I love that film.

I love Let the Right One In.

Yes.

I think that is a really incredible film.

Also kind of wet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There's a well, it's snowy.

Snowy, you're right.

There's a

pool.

Is that pool?

And then obviously, obviously, the holy grail, Exorcist.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everyone talks about elevated horror.

I'm like, they've been elevating horror since the 70s.

Have you seen The Exorcist?

Have you seen Rosemary's Baby?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like those.

Mouse Hunt is a good one.

Yeah, Marco's obsessed with fucking Mouse Hunt.

Have you seen Mouse Hunt?

Mouse Hunt.

It actually is a good film.

Is that the one with not with French?

They're hunting mice.

Have you seen Stuart Little?

I haven't seen Stuart Little, but I know the film.

Indian in the Cupboard, have you seen that?

Nothing I would love to see is the mouse hunt to bring her back pipeline.

Which is just the same.

It's connected more than you think.

They were very practical.

Like those, that mouse hunt, they did things so practically.

It is a little bit bring-er-back-ish.

You know who was?

You know who's funny?

There's an actor in that that used to, I used to love that I haven't seen in forever is Lee Evans.

Oh, is he in there?

Yeah, where the hell is Lee Evans now?

Well, Well, he's in Mouse Hunt.

He's working on the sequel.

No, I don't think.

I would do Mouse Hunt too.

You should put him in one of your movies.

Yeah, I should do Mouse Hunt too.

You should put Lee Evans to one of your movies.

Hey, listen.

No, no, come here.

This is what my parents always do.

Be like, have you ever tried being in a film, like a big movie?

Yeah.

Oh, yo,

have you ever thought about making Seinfeld?

That's what my parents did.

You said, did you see me?

I started leaving out of the caprio.

I'm naked to the back of that plane.

Whoa.

Did you show him that?

Your parents?

I had to go see it with my mother, yeah.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, it was horrible.

I saw it with my mother, too, actually.

She was fine with it.

She was happy that she was getting attention.

Oh, she was getting attention.

Well, just in terms of just being there, my mom just kind of believed that she was on display.

Oh, right.

She was proud.

We invited my mom to come watch, bring her back in America, but she wouldn't come.

Why?

Yeah.

She doesn't like flying.

I understand.

It's a fucking horrible flight.

It's a terrible flash.

It's long, and she has anxiety about it.

And 824, we're trying to do everything.

Like, oh, what if we can bring a friend?

What if we can up the the class?

And then my mom still said, no.

No, it's here.

But, you know, she will see it, though.

You guys, and she'll be damn proud.

Yeah, she'll be sorry.

She'll be damn proud of what she made.

Because she then gets, she made the film.

Because she made you.

She did.

She Laura was based on her.

Wow.

That's so sweet.

So she's a sweet mother.

Wow.

That was one scene.

One scene was real.

One scene, which one?

That punch.

Oh, yeah.

We did a couple of takes for real.

Whoa.

I'm joking, I'm joking.

Oh, I believed you.

You're a stuntman.

Yeah, I believe anything you tell me.

That's my job.

We have to act.

Sally insisted she had to hit the blind girl.

She insisted.

Was that girl able to do all that stuff with her eye?

She's naturally, she's actually is she's got vision impairment.

Okay.

Yeah, she's great.

She's so good.

She nailed it.

Yeah.

And she's never acted before.

Really?

Yeah, it was her first time acting for it.

She's incredible.

All of the acting in both of the films was incredible.

I was so impressed, especially because I didn't recognize anybody, obviously, because it's Australian films.

And I was so impressed by the acting and everyone.

Obviously, I'm sure you guys had a lot to do with that, but they all scared the shit out of me.

And I didn't believe the hell out of all of them.

Yeah, it's about finding the right people.

Especially in the audition process.

Yeah, it's in the auditions.

And everyone's so committed and down.

So, yeah, we're blown away by everyone.

And especially with young actors and everything.

You just let them know there's no such thing as a bad take.

And you can change dialogue if you want to.

Don't be embarrassed about anything.

You're not letting anyone down.

It's like building up a trust and letting them know that it's okay to fail.

Like, there's no wrong or right take.

It's just about finding it.

I also think that you are setting a good benchmark for responsible auteurs making stuff.

Because, like, again, you named two auteurs like William Friedkin, Roman Polanski, both famously not great guys.

What was wrong with William Friedkin?

Well, just William Friedkin was just a crazy guy.

He was crazy.

He was crazy.

But you guys were, but that's just wonderful to see.

You're setting a great new tone, and you're not only setting a great, friendly tone, but you're also making truly horrible and horrendous movies.

And that's the fucking best shit in the world.

I can't wait to make another movie.

Yeah, dude.

I just want to be on set already.

It's getting there, man.

Don't worry.

They'll force you.

They're going to make it.

So check out Bring Her Back.

Please.

One of the, I'm going to say it's probably the best horror movie of the year.

So far.

Already.

So far.

Yeah, so far, yeah.

I mean, we saw Sinners.

It's like Sinners, obviously, it's like Sinners in this are like, they're going to be, you know, you and Ryan Kugler are going to have to fight him.

It's a big year.

We might have to fight.

You might have to fight him physically.

He's going to kick the shit out of you.

He might kick the girl.

He out.

He's eaten all your possible avenues.

So, Danny, Michael, Filippo, thank you for lowering yourself.

We enjoyed being here.

Oh, go have fun in New York.

Promote the shit out of this thing, man.

Thank you, sir.

Have fun with the alien thing.

We will.

Farewell.

VFX.

I'm gone.

Guys, thank you so fucking much, man.

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