Episode 636: Aaron Hernandez Part III - Fourth & Forever

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There's no place to escape to.

This is the last time.

On the left.

That's when the cannibalism started.

What was that?

If it is to be, it is up to me.

That's getting the calendar.

It's me, Aaron Hernandez.

I'm so sad.

I think it's cause I did all the murders.

And this thing got all this time now.

In jail, reading my Harry Potters.

Oh, Miami, was you my girlfriend?

Serious?

So serious thinking and reading stuff?

I love when you do all the research.

Yeah.

Did you actually, I did hear that one section from Aaron Hernandez.

Did you hear that when he asked for the Harry Potters?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Can you tell me the Harry Potters?

He's just like, I was like, if that isn't what the CTE

shows, like, if that doesn't come through,

he's sitting on it in jail.

You know, I was kind of thinking, I'd like to know what those redhead kids do.

What kind of shenanigans they're up to?

Do they do different magic chicks?

I'm fucking reading this James Patterson book, which is, you know, it's pretty good.

You're reading James Patterson?

Well, he wrote the Aaron Hernandez book.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So

I'm reading this book, and he's talking about what Aaron liked to read in jail.

And then, of course, he's like, he loved Alex Cross.

And he's like listing the authors he liked, and he listed his name like it was his name, and James Patterson.

Like, I was like, you fucking piece of shit.

I like the book for that.

My favorite, my favorite movie in the world.

You got the guy who played Sean Shay.

He's all serious.

Catch criminals and all.

Alex Cross, you the goat.

Welcome to the last podcast on the left.

Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks.

I'm here with the man that is deep into his character, Henry Zabrowski.

It's me, Henry Zabowski.

See, I practice every day, real hard.

I hated the voice when you first started doing it.

It's grown on me now.

It's weird.

It really is weird how much it's grown on me.

Yeah.

You're welcome.

And we have the man who has taken us on this journey through three parts: this journey through high school football, through college football, through the NFL, and beyond.

beyond we have ed larson whoo

man i am ready for this to end i hate your job mark it sucks right

it's the hardest of our jobs what's funny is that like i i'm i can't wait to get back to my job like i i really do miss it i miss it i can't wait to get back to writing next week because we got god damn we're coming back next week with something fucking huge

big and i can't wait to get back to it but you've been doing a fantastic job and I've really been enjoying it.

I've been enjoying being on this side of it, but I do miss my writing.

Yeah, man.

You know, I miss it too.

And, you know, I can't wait to smoke the biggest Aaron Hernandez-size blunt when I get out of here and celebration rooms.

No, that's like a blunt that makes me a little bit more easier to do crime.

I was actually today leading up to this recording, I was just kind of like sitting there in my house, like listening to Jimmy Smith, like listening to a jazz record.

I was like, Is this what life is like for them?

Just waiting for me to be done.

I'm literally yelling and doing other shit.

All right, here we go.

Come give it to us, Eddie.

Lay it down, fucker.

All right, you piece of tubby shit.

When we last left our superstar, Aaron Hernandez, he just gotten himself mixed up in an old Jam Marino of the highest order.

Is that a legal term?

Jam Marino?

Yeah, Jam Marino.

You know, Jam Marino.

He's got liver disease now.

He's a quarterback for the Dolphins.

Yeah, Jam Marino.

I remember.

That was my old buddy.

He taught me how to bottom.

Well, after presumably murdering two men for almost no reason in the middle of the streets of Boston, he had tried to kill Alexander Bradley, his best friend, by shooting him in the face in West Palm Beach, Florida, with two fucked up dudes named Papu and Soldier.

Somehow, Bradley took a bullet to the head and came out alive, but down an eye.

Hey, honestly, less things to see out there.

It's a rough news cycle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't approach him on the right.

You might get shot.

He is skittish.

He's now trying to figure out how to take his revenge through either murder or extortion.

Him and Aaron got into some text battle exchanges for the ages with misspellings and punctuation galore.

Excuse my emotion.

I love you.

Good night.

I love you.

Hope you get some good sleep.

I love you, sorry.

I shot you.

I thought about you.

I give Bradley a pass.

You know, he's down an eye.

You know, what are you going to do?

Now, Aaron's out in L.A., rehabbing his shoulder, but he is spiraling out of control at home, at the bars, and in his own mind.

The only good thing that comes out of this time were a couple of stellar incubus tattoos and a Camry all full of guns.

Hey, do guns don't just get in them cameras?

Accidentally

you got to fight for that itch.

Now let's get back to New England and get ready for the upcoming season.

And Aaron is trying to pretend he's got nothing bad going on, but inside his own CTE pot-riddled brain, he's prepping for the worst.

I mean, just think that this guy is, I mean, we've all seen the pictures of his brain.

Oh,

I mean, it is absolutely fucked, and the guy's smoking weed.

24 hours a day.

It is not good in any way whatsoever.

Yeah, at the time when they checked on his brain after he died, he had stage three CTE, CTE, and Dr.

McKee said it was the strongest case of CTE she had ever seen in someone his age.

Yeah, at that time.

How many stages are there?

Four.

Four?

What happens with stage four?

Stage four, I do believe you turn into pure energy.

You go super saiyan.

I think once you go super saiyan, and that's when you kill the entire football team.

Nice.

Aaron dropped thousands on security cameras inside and and outside his house.

He's building an arsenal of guns and is even in the process of buying an armored car at this time.

And it's also safe to say, like, nobody has stepped to Aaron Hernandez at this point.

No, he has not been threatened by anyone.

This is all in his own making.

He is a man.

Man did shoot a gangster in the face.

Yeah, so he does.

I will say he is paranoid, but this is a time when.

But he shot a gangster in the face, but he's having

text exchanges.

They're like, love you, good night.

like they're having as far as like text exchanges between you know a guy who's been shot in the face by the other guy it's pretty fucking cordial yeah he's back in town he's chilling with all the same characters at this point tl and tanya singleton carlos ortiz and of course bo wallace who seems to be his go-to guy at this point when it comes to getting shady ass shit done during this time aaron's drug use is at an all time high and he wasn't even hiding it anymore openly making calls to buy drugs in the patriots locker locker room and shit.

Did you see all of the various letters we got from people that had experiences with Aaron Hernandez throughout high school?

No, I don't get the side stories email.

Yeah, I got it.

You got to send those to me before I write the script.

Well, it's just, we all sent them.

It seems like that would be highly relevant information.

But still, a lot of it, the problem is a lot of it's hearsay, and I don't want to just say things that people say necessarily.

But to be honest,

it wasn't a heck of a lot of information other than the fact Aaron Hernandez was a total piece of shit that has always gotten away with every single thing, no matter what it was.

And stuff like this, he was been doing since high school.

Like he's been literally, they said that he failed a test.

There was like some tests he failed, and they just let him retake it.

You know what I mean?

Like they do stuff like that.

Yeah, they would do stuff where if they knew, there was one where they knew he was going to fail a midterm, they sat him out.

He went and sat in the administration office to not take the test so that he could prepare later on to take, like, it took very, he's never, he had never experienced a single set of consequences.

Dude, one of my coaches, Coach Campino, he was the driver's ed teacher, and he's like, just sign up for driver's ed in summer school.

Don't show up.

I'll give you an A.

We'll bring up your GPA.

Yes, he is nice.

Oh, man.

But you see, at this point, there's like a fucking hole in Aaron's life.

Alexander Bradley.

Bradley, of course, had a new hole of his own.

Hernandez needs a new bestie, someone he could trust, someone he can relate to, someone that can roll a sticky ass blunt and be just a little bit worse than him in Madden.

That's why I met my new friend.

Have you seen him?

His name is Mr.

Snuffalopagus.

He's a magical elephant.

And he says all types of stuff.

Like stuff like kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill.

Ha ha, you're crazy.

That's what I say.

You're crazy, man.

He's so violent, that snuffalopicus.

He's crazy.

It's the first part of his name is Snuff.

Well, the dude who's going to fill that hole is his future brother-in-law, Odin Lloyd.

Odin was a landscaper by day and semi-pro football player by night.

These Jenkins girls certainly love their football players.

I'll tell you that much.

They do.

And Odin Lloyd, by all accounts, good dude.

Everyone liked him.

That is the one thing that in every single documentary that you see about Aaron Hernandez, you just have a parade of people talking about how good of a dude Odin Lloyd was that just kind of

dazzled by fame.

Unfortunately,

he was enamored with the fact that him and one of the best players in the NFL were potentially about to be in-laws.

Aaron used to refer to Odin as the Blunt Master.

And the Blunt Master is down for whatever Aaron wants to do.

And just like everyone else that knew Hernandez, Odin starts putting Aaron's wants and needs ahead of his own.

But Aaron's doing that classic manipulator thing.

He's throwing money and lavish things at him all the time while treating him like he's less than him.

Everything's transactional.

Well,

it's transactional, but Aaron Hernandez has that learned helplessness

that a lot of these guys end up having.

Where people

just do shit.

Yeah, King Baby.

Where people just end up doing shit for him.

There's no consequences.

And

everyone just coalesces and does whatever the fuck he wants.

Because he's got a lot of resources.

And every single time something doesn't get done for him, he throws a massive temper tantrum.

And that makes everybody walk on eggshells around him.

And that's when he's becoming more and more out of pocket.

And everybody, nobody wants to deal with it.

Yeah.

Also, everyone lets him get away with shit because whenever he does fuck up and he knows it, he'll buy you something.

Of course.

He'll give you some money.

You know, it's just like, ah, you know, he's not that bad, but it's just a way for him to get away with doing horrible things.

Aaron rented Odin a Chevy Suburban.

Odin, see, he's too broke to have his own ride.

You know, he gives him all the weed he wants.

And most importantly, Shayana and Shanea are happy their men are getting along so well.

This should have worked perfectly.

And other than Aaron's erratic, violent behavior, the real reason Odin couldn't fill Alexander Bradley's shoes is because he was just by all accounts a really calm, nice man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just a normal guy.

It is really is a goddamn shame.

But what it shows you is that it doesn't matter if you're a good man or you know someone of questionable moral character like Bradley, if you're right next to Aaron Hernandez, bad shit's going to happen to you.

He's going to turn on you eventually.

Oh, yeah, he grinds through people.

That's just the way he does it.

Everyone in his life

has to deal with some kind of bullshit, and he's usually the center of it.

So we're looking at June 14th, 2013.

Aaron.

Odin and a crew of friends are out partying a club rumor in Boston.

So outside the club that night, Aaron and Odin were seen in a verbal altercation.

No one really knows about what, but we all know it could have been about anything because of how unstable Hernandez was.

Everybody knows the purple teletoppy is the nice home.

Everybody knows.

And I won't have you tell me anything different.

Okay?

Purple teletoppy, Ben Teletoppy.

Yo, there's apartments above us, bro.

Come out.

My motherfucking homie.

It's okay.

It's okay.

He just lost the Super Bowl.

It's my dad.

But the rest of the night, Aaron and Odin stayed away from each other.

The tension was thick in the club.

It felt like the beginning of belly up in that bitch.

Wow.

Odin's trying not to let it ruin his night.

He likes that green-ass fucking teletoppy man.

Hell yeah, man.

Fuck that dude.

I like that fucking green ass teletoppy.

Fuck that shit, man.

Fuck that shit.

You know my favorite?

The baby.

That's why I'm like that green and baby son because that's so sick that's going to be all right.

That's what I like.

I like seeing that fucking little smiling baby sun because I know all that shit's going to work out.

Oh, man.

See, like everyone got along with Odin.

Everyone liked him.

And he's like, fuck it.

He just made some new friends and he starts hanging out with them at the club.

And Hernandez, paranoid as ever, believes these men to be the friends of Daniel De Abreu and Sofrio Furtado, those dudes he recently killed over a spilled drink at Club Cure, which, by the way, is one

block away.

See, I could see him.

His brain is porridge.

He's filled with drugs and alcohol.

He's legitimately now almost hallucinating.

I would say it's at this point where he is saying stuff like this because he's so

he doesn't know how to process the feelings of being guilty.

Yeah.

And so I think that he's just doing the very classic thing of seeing the people that you murdered everywhere and you're haunted by it yeah and you can't put the two together because your brain's made out of wagyu and you can't figure it out anymore like you're literally like all that stuff's getting mismashed and you don't understand what's reality and what's not anymore yeah and not just that you know but he's also dealing with you know that extreme adhd that he has so he's hyper focused on this

he's hyper focused on every on his possible guilt someone trying to catch him you know maybe the fbi is around you know all kinds of shit They should be.

They should be, but they're not.

No, they're not.

Nobody's there.

Nobody's second.

He literally got away with it.

Yes.

Yeah.

And ADHD.

And he would have, too, if he didn't keep fucking up if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

And ADHD breeds paranoia.

It very much breeds paranoia.

So it's just paranoia on top of paranoia, on top of paranoia.

Also, it's not just weed anymore.

It's drugs.

It's like hard drugs.

It's Molly.

It's fucking pieces of it.

All the party shit.

They're just doing it all.

And they're like, they're casually using GHP.

They're casually using stuff like that.

That's just like not to mention whatever the fucking team gives him for his pain.

Yeah.

So it's time to leave the club at this point.

Odin and Aaron, they make up enough to get in the car together.

Yeah, along with their barber who they had out for a couple drinks.

And they're sitting in the parking lot, smoking a blunt, as you do.

And Hernandez fucking spots his babysitter, Jennifer Forte.

Oh, shit, she go tell my mom.

She's sitting there coming out of the club.

She's got her hot friend friend, Amanda, with her, and he offers them a ride to their car and then basically kidnaps them.

He ditches the barber and takes them back to his Franklin apartment that the Patriots rented him to keep him out of trouble.

The best part about this apartment being super close to all the trouble is that I could bring the trouble there.

Yeah,

they rented him this

right next to the bars.

It's going to make him better?

Yeah.

It's not right next to the bars.

I'm sure there's bars close by, but it's kind of far away.

It's closer to the stadium.

Yeah, But the weird thing is that it's not a nice apartment.

It's not a super nice apartment complex.

It's a very like middle-of-the-road, regular-ass apartment complex.

One of the documents, they talked to a woman who is his neighbor, and she's like, you know, I don't watch football, but there was a lot of weed being smoked in there.

There was certainly a lot of marijuana.

Yeah, so much weed.

She thought there was a skunk in the building at one point.

So I don't have to explain to her what it was.

So Jennifer, the babysitter, she's extremely uncomfortable in this situation.

Her phone's dead, and it's just not her scene.

She doesn't like fucked up apartment drug dens as much as the rest of us.

They eat their own, I guess.

Yeah, I mean, sadly.

Yeah, yeah.

At one point, Hernandez disappears into one of the bedrooms, and he calls her over there to makes her sit on the bed with him.

And then he kisses her.

Lil kiss for you.

Give a little kiss.

She rejects his advances because she's his fucking nanny, but he doesn't push the issue and he just says, I understand.

No hard feelings.

Not everybody could be into the old Hernandez.

And then he just passes the fuck out.

Odin's also passed out in the living room, and Jennifer takes her friend's phone and calls a cab, gets the hell out of there.

In the morning, Aaron uses Odin's phone to text Shayana.

I fucked up again.

I didn't mean, but got drunk and fucked up, and Ode took care of me some.

How told him about the other spot, not just woke up bugging and on my way home.

You know, some people think Aaron became suspicious of Odin because he knew of his infidelities, but Shayana herself admits she knew and understood that Aaron was unfaithful.

Maybe he told Odin about the murders outside Cure or about shooting Bradley in the face down in Florida.

But one thing that was for sure at this point, he did not trust Odin anymore.

You should change your name to Loki, the god of mystery.

He's the most untrustworthy of the Norse mythology.

It's also been theorized that Aaron may have made a pass at Odin as well well that night.

No one will ever know what happened after these ladies escaped Aaron's trap house, but the next evening, Odin Lloyd would be dead.

My theory as to how this went down is that, you know, we talk about the difference between Odin Lloyd and Alexander Bradley.

So Alexander Bradley, you know, he's a gangster.

He's, you know, he's very well acquainted with violence and living a morally gray lifestyle.

And Aaron kind of looks up to him, too.

Yeah.

Yeah, he kind of probably a little bit intimidated and kind of excited by him in a way.

Yeah, very much excited by him.

I mean, he, Aaron Hernandez, purposefully surrounded himself with people like that to make himself feel tougher uh but odin lloyd by all accounts like i said he was a good dude and i think that aaron hernandez may have misjudged how odin lloyd might respond to aaron saying like yeah i've killed two people and i shot my other friend in the face yeah

i would imagine odin lloyd did not respond very positively to that if that's what happened well so this is my question Do you pair, you got a new buddy, soon to be brother-in-law, the single most tenuous and suspicious relationship?

Yeah, right?

Your brother-in-law and you are always going to get in some kind of trouble.

Yeah, the brother-in-law,

I don't get into any trouble with my brother-in-law

is a heart surgeon, so he doesn't do anything with me.

But I'm just saying, brother-in-laws are by far the most problematic relationship in any family.

I'm the problematic guy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know, I do.

Brother-in-laws are the hard ones right they can be yeah i could see odin like do you when you're gonna talk to your new soon-to-be new brother-in-law and you lead with i murdered two guys uh in an impulsive move because i thought that they were casing me and then also maybe

what if we

you ever see that movie with the cowboys

and then if you get

and then like when do you

layer those two together Like, is it one then one?

It's like, what's the fastest way to move your brother-in-law out of the room?

I'm not quite certain.

Well, also, Odin Lloyd, nice guy that he is, this is something that I deal with a lot.

He's a big, crazy-looking dude.

And people

confide in you.

People say horrible shit to me all the time, thinking I'm also horrible.

You know how?

And I'm just like, hey, I don't appreciate that.

You know, and I ain't got to let you know.

I'm a comedian that has been an offensive comedian for so long, but it is so funny to meet people that when they hear you're a comedian,

and then they just, there was a Florida lawyer I once was talking to on behalf of my parents.

And as soon as he heard I was a comedian, he was going through my socials, he just started with the F words

like really getting crazy.

And it kept being like, I'm a comedian, not a homicide detective.

Like, this is not like, this is a, you have to kind of think about this, where, like, I just sometimes say inappropriate things.

Yeah, I look at the world and make observations.

Yeah.

I don't think Aaron made a pass at Odin.

I think that he tried to make him another Alexander Bradley and Odin probably was like, well, just like, I'm not, that's not my scene.

I don't like it.

And he probably looked very uncomfortable.

And he may have even said, like, hey, that's fucked up, man.

Yeah.

And

now he's looking at you differently.

Now he's looking at you different because Aaron Hernandez is very, very paranoid.

And he's thinking, this guy's going to turn me in.

Maybe this guy's going to try to kill me before I kill him.

Who knows where his fucking mind went?

He says something stupid.

Odin Lloyd's like, I don't like this.

And then he's like, fuck you, motherfucker.

That's probably the argument, in my opinion.

Oh, yeah.

No, no, I've been around people like Aaron Hernandez in my life, and they turn on a dime and it's very fucking dangerous.

Very scary.

You got to get out of there.

Yeah, don't hang out with scary people.

No, please.

Unless, of course, they bring you to fun things or give you stuff.

All right, so it's Father's Day, June 15th, 2013.

Aaron's on the phone with his agent, Brian Murphy, trying to figure out what to do with Alexander Bradley's $1.3 million extortion.

If I was Aaron Hernandez, I'd pay it.

Yes, he just got a shit ton of money.

I would pay that money.

You know, but he's like, he's like, he won't do it for some reason.

And then Bradley just texted him.

Don't understand why.

If you was mad enough to shoot me, you ain't man enough to compensate me.

I guess I'm a bitch.

Because when I think about you, I cry.

Wow,

you making me cry.

Why are you saying stuff

sensitive stuff?

You know, I ain't with you, no more.

No, you're not with me, but I still

look to the stars and your eyes stare back.

Whatever.

Sometimes I think about the way, what we could have been, and the path we could have taken, but we have diverged from that.

And so I love you and good night.

There is a whole series of other sentimental pleas for money and through text, but like

as sentimental as they were, there was a lot of words that we shouldn't say on the show.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like what?

So Aaron continued to deny that he had ever even shot him, and he refused to pay him anything.

You see, two days earlier, Bradley had actually filed that civil lawsuit against Hernandez, and Aaron was doing whatever he could to get out of it quietly and without paying.

And it seemed to be going well.

The agent Murphy talked Bradley's lawyer into voluntarily dropping the lawsuit.

That's because, literally, like, that dude's one of the most powerful sports agents in the world and knows how to scare the fuck out of some random ass lawyer.

Dude, Murphy is a fantastic agent.

That's who you want.

Can you imagine?

God, I just wish I could have committed a crime just so that I could have called Ken to get him to get us out of it.

That idea, I can't even imagine how important you must be.

Dude, to this day, Murphy's like, Hernandez didn't do it.

Yeah, like to this day, to this day, he won't waiver as an agent's agent.

Even OJ's agent was eventually.

He eventually had to say, like, oh, fuck.

We finally get let go of his hurt stuck.

And he was just like, OG did it.

Yeah.

So Murphy's like, you know, if you put this lawsuit in the news, then we really have no reason to pay you.

But if you withdraw it now, we can make a deal.

And that bottoms him top.

He's good at what he does.

Oh, yeah.

So Aaron hit up Olden Lloyd to hang out that night.

And right after he hung out with him, by the way, all of air, don't text anyone in a crime.

Like all like, make the call.

You got to call the talk.

You meet under a bridge.

They have thousands of Aaron Hernandez texts.

They were just delivered today.

Dumbest things I've ever heard.

It was like two days in the trial just reading his text messages.

Sims Coleman.

Damn.

Who said that?

So he hits Odin Lloyd up to hang out with him that night.

And right after he hit him up, he hit up Bo Wallace to get his ass over there because they got to take care of something.

It's now after midnight.

Odin's waiting for Aaron to come pick him up.

And he doesn't show up until 2.30 a.m.

And he's got Wallace and Ortiz with him.

See, I would have fallen asleep.

I've been like, sorry, Aaron.

We'll play tomorrow.

He's fucking excited, man.

I know, I guess.

Gave him a suburban.

Well, also, now

let's say maybe Odin Lloyd also knows he's a murderer.

Yes.

Maybe.

Yeah, and he's scared.

Yeah, of course.

I think he absolutely knows that he's a murderer.

Gonna get murdered at this point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So when Aaron's picking up Odin Lloyd in Dorchester, his sister, Shaquilla, spots him getting into the car, and Odin sees that she sees him.

And then he texts her.

You see who I'm with?

Aaron has gone full Eddie Nash at this point.

All right.

He's firing his gun out the window while he's driving.

He's shooting at street signs.

He's blowing through tolls, scraping the side of the car.

It's fucking bananas.

All right.

How about, I don't know, 20 minutes go by, something like that.

Shaquilla finally texts back.

Sorry, my phone was dead.

Who was that?

Odin responds.

NFL, just so you know.

And that's why I think that Odin Lloyd knew that he was a murderer.

And he knew that he was going to be in, he knew that he was about to get whacked.

Look, he knew something bad was going to happen.

Definitely.

And all he had to say was NFL.

NFL.

Yeah.

And that was his last text message of his life.

Wow.

Odin Lloyd was then brought to an industrial park less than a mile from Hernandez's North Attleboro home and smoked his last blunt with Aaron Hernandez.

Oh, at least they had one last blunt together.

Oh, my God.

His fucking DNA was on the blunt, both of them.

It was like, it was like he handed them everything.

He was such a bad killer.

Which also decided because he's acting like he's in a movie.

Yeah.

He's not in reality anymore.

Oh, no.

Well, he's, I mean, if he's ever been in reality.

Yeah.

Odin Lloyd's body was found by a high school student out for a jog there in that industrial lot on Tuesday, June 18th.

He was dead, covered in flies, and shot six times.

He had the suburban rental keys under Hernandez's name in his pocket.

God, it's like cops can't even place evidence that well.

Oh, my God.

This whole episode is just like how bad he was at evidence.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Also, the problem is

by the time they found him, there's a storm rolling in.

So the police had to act quick to secure the crime scene before it all gets washed away.

Yeah, they had to build, like, they built a whole whole tent city around it.

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She cried herself to sleep on the couch, and when she woke up in the morning, Hernandez was there and told her, I've been through this dead thing before.

It'll get better with time.

you gotta old standard, you just gotta let things

just chill out.

But when Shania was passed out, Aaron called the house and told Shayana to get rid of this black box he had in the house and to not let anyone see you.

She would later claim she never looked inside the box and did what her husband told her to do, and that she thought it was weed.

But everyone is 99% sure that the murder weapon was inside this box.

Yes.

And she somehow could never remember where the dumpster was that she threw it out in.

You know, of course, yeah.

She never know.

It's so hard when you're hiding evidence for your spouse, it's so hard to be thinking about it.

Yeah, ride or die is the description they use with Shanea all the time.

Yeah, she stays with Aaron

all throughout.

Very much.

She changed her name to Hernandez after he died.

Jesus.

Yeah.

It's because, again, she chose him.

This is the person that's taking care of her and taking care of the family.

And she's decided that she's going to go all the way down.

Dude, her IG is so sad.

It's just like pictures of her daughter with Aaron's like silhouette behind him and stuff.

It's like, oh, I hate life.

I went down that rabbit hole and I was like, oh, ooh.

Yeah.

Well, Aaron's been driving another rental car that night, Nissan Altima, and he went to Enterprise to drop it off in the morning, get rid of the evidence, you know?

It was dinged up from a wild night of driving through tolls, but he had bought the insurance.

So at least he was in the clear there.

Yeah, that's the best part.

The clerk, though, remembered that Hernandez had offered her a piece of gum.

She clocked it as weird because it was blue cotton candy flavored bubblicious.

Why did an adult man have this?

I got paid for attitude.

He just proves how much he never fucking grew up.

Yeah, he's a kid.

He's trapped in his own brain.

Yeah, well, also, he's still, he is a kid.

He's 24, I think, at this point.

Later, when she inspected the car, she found that the same gum was stuck to the carpet on the floor of the car.

She tried to get it off with a piece of paper she found there.

And when she was down there, she also found some bullet casings that would match the casings found at the murder scene.

Now, these aren't the casings from the murder, but from when he was shooting street signs out the window like a lunatic.

Yeah, yeah, don't worry.

He left the casings from the murder at the murder scene.

Yeah, where they're supposed to be.

Yeah, where they're supposed to come from.

Yeah, yeah, where they're, yeah, you got to let them breeze.

Yeah, and he wrote on them, Harry Potter's.

Yeah, Harry Potter's.

Harry Potter's one, Harry Potter's three, because Harry Potter's too stupid.

Harry Potter.

I shouldn't have Voldemort.

That's a forbidden name.

Everybody knows.

Everybody knows.

Come look for more Voldemort.

I love this rental car employed.

Like this detector's like, this seems to be the same bubble gun that I was just giving my errand.

I've never paid attention to a single thing before.

And I'll never pay attention to a single thing again.

But that was one detail I'll always remember.

So at this point, the evidence was getting thicker than Shayana when she was pregnant.

Nice.

Thank you.

And the cops were staked out at Hernandez's household right at the end of his driveway.

Aaron's flipping out.

He calls his agent, Brian Murphy, and asks for advice.

Murphy said, well, hey, if you're innocent, then go talk to the police.

See why they're there.

Yeah.

Come on, Aaron.

Just go

give it a college shot.

It's a really nice way of asking if he did it.

Yeah.

Well, if you're innocent of the crime, you can just go and talk to the police.

Yeah.

That's what you call gauging.

Yes.

Gauging a response.

He's looking like this.

Let me give you FaceTime.

So eventually, Aaron got the courage to do just that.

He then, they asked him if he had rented a Chevy Suburban.

He said he had for his friend Odin Lloyd.

And the question started flowing.

And then Aaron's like, oh, I got to go get my attorney.

And then he asked them why they were there.

And then the cops told him they were investigating a death.

Aaron then slammed his front door in their face with no response.

Why did he not even ask who died?

The cops thought that was odd, you know?

And it was with that the North Attleboro Police Department thought they had enough evidence for a search warrant.

Hernandez didn't even get off the couch when they came to the door.

And while they were searching his house, he eventually went downstairs and shot some pool in his man cave with Shayana's uncle.

Before he broke the rack, he turned to Shayana's uncle and said, My endorsements are gone.

Puma had run back to the mountains.

Pussycats.

Couldn't handle the heat.

Something about multiple murders really makes some of these advertisers pretty skittish.

Yeah.

Some.

Some guys will always be there.

Good old

choose a company.

Smith and Wesson would have been a great one.

Oh, huge.

As far as I know, the only shoe that was definitively linked to a mass murder was Keds.

Heaven's Gate.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, that's cool.

Yeah, they all wore Keds.

Good for them.

It's not comfortable.

They were walkers.

All right.

It's Wednesday morning.

He drives the Gillette Stadium.

The place was swarmed with reporters.

Helicopters circling the stadium.

Aaron was officially a person of interest.

Not exactly a good look with Coach Belichick and Robert Kraft, the owner.

They questioned him in the weight room.

Hernandez said he was innocent.

He was at the club at the time of the murder.

He's just waiting for the timeline to prove his innocence.

So he's got that.

You know, so they're like, cool.

But this would be the last time he ever spoke to Bill Belichick.

When he got home, he was served a different summons.

Alexander Bradley decided with all this Odin-Lloyd news, it was time to file his lawsuit.

And the always respectful TMZ broke the story that another man has filed a lawsuit on Hernandez for shooting him.

What was happening?

TMZ, probably

the most accurate news association on the face of the planet.

I do not like that.

Don't like that.

We've talked about this.

I spent the week on TMZ.

Yes.

TMZ, though, has the most correct breaking news

of any news organization ever.

Well, the police had a lot of pertinent questions for Hernandez at this point.

Why had he ordered a house cleaner specialed to his house on June 17th?

Super dirty.

Why had his security system attempted to be destroyed?

It did itself.

It was himself with himself.

It was committed with suicide.

Why did his lawyers turn in his cell phone in pieces?

Because that's how I found it.

It was a, Mr.

Snuffalopicus.

Why are you stepping on my phone?

But he was still a free man.

So he went back to Gillette Stadium.

When the director of security for the Patriots saw him, he came over and was like, get out of here.

Why are you just Leave.

It's time for you to.

Oh, actually, I was just leaving.

Oh, I should go.

So now it's Saturday, and the cop searches house again, and they find a bunch of guns, ammunition, and bulletproof vests, and then they got the break they needed.

The enterprise worker who found the bullets in the rental car saw the news and had not initially reported it.

That's a G right there, man.

Yeah, yeah, because the fucking G he saw in a rental car, and he's just like, you know what?

I don't want to deal with it.

It was a lady.

It was a lady.

She said that she had found weirder things returned in rental cars.

And so she didn't question.

Well, there was like, um, there was like a shooting range down the road.

And so it was actually kind of, it happened before.

Oh, wow.

That's actually, that's hilarious.

Four bullets.

All right, fine.

But luckily, uh, sanitation had not come to pick up the dumpster yet.

And so the cops had all the evidence they needed.

Now they had the matching bullet casings to the scene of the crime, attaching Hernandez to everything.

But still, there was no murder weapon.

So the cops started questioning everyone that knew Hernandez, including his bad boy crew of TL, Tanya, Wallace, and Ortiz.

Ortiz was on probation, and his probation officer was one of the detective's wives.

She let them know Ortiz knew Hernandez and had just failed a drug test for PCP.

So they brought him in, kept him up for questioning and put him through a polygraph that he failed miserably.

And he put Hernandez Bo Walla

guilty.

Himself and Odin Lloyd together at the crime scene together on the night of the murder.

I will tell you, this is literally.

The highest score I've ever seen for a lie ever on this.

It kind of was like that.

This man's never told the truth.

I actually don't know if he's mentally capable of understanding what truth is.

So

they got him to cut a deal, you know, and he's starting.

And

now he's flipped on Hernandez.

So finally, the police felt they had enough evidence to confidently arrest Hernandez.

They went to his house.

and took him to jail handcuffed with a white undershirt hastily thrown over his rippling tattooed chiseled chest.

Sorry, just some horny adjectives to make sure the ladies are still listening.

Oh, don't worry, they're wet.

And the men are erect.

oh my god during the jury selection uh one of the chicks who came in and then immediately just blurted out of her mouth he's so hot yeah

you're right

so aaron hernandez was now charged with the first-degree murder of odin lloyd along with six other crimes and processed into bristol county jail arraigned soon after that and denied bail.

Hernandez continued to show little to no emotion during this entire process, which just seems to be what he does in intense situations.

No, he just shuts off.

Well, yeah, he doesn't feel anything.

Well, it's like he's just waiting.

He's waiting until somebody gets him out of it, and he knows that if he's calm and if he doesn't freak out, and he's

somebody comes to handle it.

Someone, not a lot of times, every time up until this point, someone has come along to handle it.

He is pretty good at keeping his mouth shut.

Yeah.

That's like the one thing he's good at in this whole thing.

Bo Wallace, he knew the cops are going to be looking for him too.

So he hit up TL and Tanya, get him out of town.

They drove him on back roads all the way down to Georgia where they put him on a bus down to South Florida for Bo to hide out.

Two days later, TL Singleton drove off the road in Connecticut with his mistress while high on PCP, Oxy, Coke, and Booz.

He died on the scene.

The mistress lift.

Yay!

And that's another win for side chicks.

He has to go loose.

That's too many drugs to be on and drive.

Yeah.

You know what that amount of drugs are?

It's called Texi.

Let's go get a Texi.

I feel like that's easy to do.

I think, you know, he would have gotten away with it like Ted Kennedy because I feel like Ted Kennedy was doing those, but not PCP.

Yeah, anything but PCP.

It's all of the normal senator drugs.

So a week after that, the Patriots are trying to distance themselves as far as possible from Hernandez at this point.

They've fired him.

He's gone.

He's not on the team anymore.

And then they offer a buyback program for Aaron Hernandez jerseys for the fans.

The Patriot Pro Shop traded over 1,200 Hernandez jerseys, and fans could pick any other cheater.

I mean, Patriot, that they wanted.

Fucking got him.

Man, Bill Belichick's laughing us all into the grave, though, man, with this new 24-year-old fucking prison keeper.

Dude, he's going to get fired from his college job.

Yeah, dude.

He don't give a fuck anymore.

He's getting his dick.

Suck.

He is getting a couple extra million for basically nothing this year.

So, Puma and Muscle Milk, they already dropped Hernandez loose.

You know, Bristol Central High School and University of Florida removed any mention of him from campus.

But then the biggest hit to Hernandez came.

EA Sports removed him from Madden.

That has to just be.

He'd be like, my God, I didn't know I could ever expand.

What is this salty discharge?

What is this salty discharge?

Our code of interest.

By the way, USC still has O.J.

Simpson's Heisman on display in their heritage halls.

You can't take away the stats, sticking to the gun.

You can't take away those stats.

I mean, it seems to be the thing that Aaron Hernandez was most upset about was them taking his

awards out of his high school.

Like, when you listen to the conversation, not really Florida, but his high school.

It was his high school he was so upset about because that's where his dad was.

It's like a legend there.

The Hernandez's name is a legend there.

And because that's that was the base of his whole personal legend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And this is also the same town where he's in jail.

Yeah.

So in Bristol County Jail, they kept Hernandez away from other incarcerated people for his own protection.

Solitary, but not solitary type of deal.

He was only allowed in the yard for one hour a day, but only by himself.

He kept working out.

He was like, I'm going back to the NFL.

He's working out like a motherfucker.

He wanted to join Gen Pop so bad.

He wanted to play basketball, but they're trying to figure out if that was a bad idea.

Yeah, it was a fucking bad idea, Aaron Hernandez.

This is jail.

You're not fun.

It's not fun.

Because they also said the thing about Aaron Hernandez was that he had that ability to be

like normal everywhere.

Yeah.

And they said that when he went into it.

He was very likable.

Yeah.

And then when he went into jail, he got comfortable really quickly.

He was all like, oh, wow, kind of fun.

Hanging out with the boys, going around, playing different checkers made out of people poop.

People poop and hard and they can check it out and they're playing with that.

He adapted incredibly fast.

He was very good at adapting to anything.

Also, right now, it's like assumed that he's joined the Bloods.

Yeah.

So everything's going on.

They eventually let him join Gen Pop, and he took to jail surprisingly well, just like you were saying.

He even referred to his cell as Cozy.

Yeah, it's like nice.

It's the way he talked about it.

You know, it's pretty nice.

Pretty good.

Pretty good.

He's playing poker, cribbage.

He's reading his Harry Potters.

Oh, my God.

What?

I hope Homine is going to kiss the other guy.

I was rooting for Harry Potter.

his favorite snack two honey buns with peanut butter in the middle i don't know why that made me just fucking gag when i read that because that's so sweet and disgusting

i love honey buns and i love peanut butter but fucking christ

it's a child's yeah meal yeah yeah it's like what well or it's a stoner's meal is what it is it's like when i used to get when i was in college and i get two eggos and i put peanut butter and jelly and cream cheese on them and eat those.

Yeah, they were

incredible for stoners.

You know what is a really good stoner sandwich, my buddy?

Eggo waffles.

Ham and cheese.

Whoa.

Ham and cheese between two eggo waffles.

You put some syrup on that shit.

That's the shit, motherfucker.

No boner check right now.

Yeah, dude.

That is the fucking shit, dude.

What do you put on it?

Mayonnaise, mustard?

Both.

Both.

Mayonnaise mustard, maple syrup.

Fuck yeah.

Like a big fat piece of shit, dude.

Yeah.

Damn, dude.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, that sounds dangerous.

It's real good.

You earned that body, bro.

Yeah, man.

I carved this body.

Hernandez also claims at this time that he was friends with the rats and mice.

I know what I said,

you guys made me feel like

I'm cinderella.

But he didn't like the cockroaches and spiders.

They're mean, they're gossips.

They say mean things.

They say things they don't mean.

Also, most of the guards are fucking Patriot fans and enamored by him, so they turn a blind eye to his drug use.

Even in jail, he's getting special treatment.

Yeah.

So the Odin-Lloyd murder trial began on January 29th, 2015, but it really didn't get going in earnest until mid-February, thanks to a series of weather-related delays.

A massive snowstorm dumped over 24 inches of the white stuff on Fall River, but that paled in comparison to the mountain of evidence against Hernandez.

During that time, Brady, Gronk, and the rest of the Patriots won the Super Bowl again.

I mean, so did, I can't remember.

Aaron Hernandez, did he ever win a Super Bowl?

He never won.

He never won.

He was in one and they lost.

Yes.

And in his first season, right?

He was in.

Yes.

And then the next season, they lost, and the AFC Championship came to the Baltimore Ravens.

Yeah, but that's incredible that the season that he was supposed to be like their $40 million guy, they would have won the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They didn't even need him.

Yeah, they didn't even need him.

Nope.

God, it's, yeah, but I mean, they're so, they were so good.

I hate them, but they were so good.

Yeah.

A few years prior, as we just said, Hernandez had played in the Super Bowl.

However, there might have actually been more cameras on him the night of the murder.

There was extensive surveillance footage from outside businesses linking him to the scene of the crime, but perhaps the most damning footage was the security cameras at his own house.

Hernandez didn't delete the footage properly.

It showed him rolling up in the last car Odin Lloyd was seen in a few minutes after Odin Lloyd was killed and pulling out what appeared to be a Glock handgun, which, you you guessed it, was the exact weapon used in the killing.

On February 17th, 2015, prosecutors showed a video of Hernandez destroying his cell phone the day after the murder.

Oh, ooh,

ooh.

You can see everyone's watching me.

Oh, ooh.

There he is.

That's what he's doing.

Ironically, this is the same strategy Tom Brady would try not even three weeks later during the DeFlake Gate investigation.

It didn't work for either of them.

The Patriot Way was effective for winning football games, not so much at getting rid of evidence.

Interesting.

Even though Hernandez destroyed his phone, prosecutors still had and presented 2,000 pages of cell phone records.

Jesus fucking Christ.

These files showed that Hernandez had asked Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace to come home from Connecticut to Massachusetts the day before the murder, saying that, quote, you can't trust anyone anymore.

Well, it turns out that you can trust about half of the people because Ortiz ratted out Hernandez in exchange for prosecutors dropping the murder charge against him.

He pled down to a lesser accessory charge that got him four and a half to seven years instead of the life sentence he was up against.

You know what you call the guy who believes in loyalty of a group of guys that

done a bunch of crimes together and the one guy he says he'll never like rat on his guys?

What?

That's the guy that goes down for the death penalty.

It's that everybody else around you is going to immediately jump ship.

They are just going to dump your ass, Aaron Hernandez.

They don't give a fuck.

Like, that's the thing.

He thought he had all this power.

And then, once it's all officially there, once the cops are involved, they're all flip, flip, flipadelphia, man.

Well, Wallace, on the other hand, didn't provide information or take a play deal.

He took the case to trial and was acquitted of murder, but found guilty of similar accessory charges and sentenced four to seven years.

These two men saw a fork in the snitch road, took different paths, paths, and ended up in the same spot.

Really makes you think.

It does.

Life provides fate answers.

It's worth noting here that while they never found a gun, it's pretty obvious what happened.

First off, like I mentioned before, Hernandez clearly has a gun in his hand shortly after he enters his house.

The defense floated the theory that it could have been something else like an iPad, but that theory falls apart when you note the size, shape, and the fact that it's clearly a fucking gut.

The prosecution showed the footage of Shayana Jenkins to get her take.

She played dumb as well, saying that it looked like a black blob.

That's some kind of black blob.

He always had some.

You know, Aaron with his collection of black blobs.

Yeah, well, you know, blobs.

They're usually

everywhere, man.

They're amorphous,

undefined, you know.

But in this case, the blob is noteworthy because it was shaped like a fucking gut.

Well, I had the thing about it was that the blob is that it had a it had a trigger that had a handle.

And the blob had what you'd call something like a...

It's where the bullet comes out of.

A barrel?

Yeah.

It's a barrel.

It seems like that blob.

See, I'm a bit of a gun.

I'm a bit of a blob connoisseur myself.

I'm digging the blobs.

I actually am.

In my house, I have no less than seven or eight blobs.

I love blobs.

Blobs blobs.

Yeah, I really love blobs.

All my blobs are either round or square.

Very few are gun-shaped, yeah.

Very few are gun-shaped.

I'm pretty sure I'm a blob to Tootsie, yeah, yeah.

She can't see shit.

Oh, no, no, no.

I mean, no dogs can.

Also, Robert Kraft took the stand.

The owner, his owner, spray-tanned and smug, and his testimony would actually end up being pretty damning.

He recanted how Hernandez told him it couldn't have been him because he was at the club, but the jury had just saw footage of Hernandez from his own home on his own security cameras.

He was

a thucked.

Rubbercraft, he's so haughty coming in and out of that trial.

Like, he refuses to even look at Aaron.

I can't even look at you.

I was like, fuck you, dude.

You loved him two weeks ago.

Yeah, yeah, you were fine.

He knew about all the shit.

He knew about all the fucking horrible things.

Even if he didn't know the specifics, he knew that Aaron Ennis was doing bad shit and he kept going anyway.

He was too important to the NFL, Marcus.

If he would have got off, even though they knew he did it, he would have hired him back, no problem.

That was the whole thing with the Patriots.

They love trouble players.

After two months and 132 witnesses, the prosecution rested.

The defense didn't take as long.

Their case lasted one day with a grand total of three witnesses, and their entire argument was basically: well, that's just like your opinion, man.

The dude would have been proud.

For the first time since the trial started, they acknowledged that Hernandez was present for the murder.

It was viewed as a shocking pivot in strategy, but after two months of footage of him driving to and from the crime scene in a rental car full of shell casings, they really didn't have a choice.

This is my favorite.

They called a PCP expert to discuss the effects of the drug after positing a theory that Ortiz and Wallace committed the murder while high and that Hernandez was just an innocent man at the wrong place at the wrong time who panicked.

Because you gotta understand, man, with PCP.

God, I love it.

I'm a goddamn expert on it.

The key here is, man, understand

everything's technical.

I'm black and white, dog.

All right, two sides.

One's right evil.

One side's not so evil.

Fuck you.

I'm the expert on PCP.

I'll bring the fucking violence.

Thank you so much, Dr.

Dr.

Winston.

During the cross-examination, the PCP expert asked why the footage of Ortiz and Wallace a few minutes after the murder showed them acting very normal and not like PCP fiends.

That's the most PCP shit in the world, dude.

I act normal all fucking day, son.

The lawyer's response was basically the shrug emoji in real life.

Not exactly a compelling response.

Well, what can you say?

I don't know.

So yeah, PCP.

But, you know, I did once date a girl who

before we had dated, she's like, oh, yeah, I did PCP for three, four years.

People treat sometimes PCP like it's a casual thing.

Yeah,

it becomes actually quite crazy how casually she treated it.

Yeah, she's like, it never had any effect on me.

It did.

Oh, yeah, it did.

Angel Dust is too cute a name.

Yeah, it really is.

Yeah, it really is.

You just think, like, oh, I can do that.

It's for God.

No, and you found a lot of that god shit super intense, bro.

The defense just tried to plant the reasonable doubt seed and hoped it would grow.

They argued that Hernandez was targeted by cops because of his celebrity and the evidence against him was largely circumstantial.

You know how cops are so all about arresting celebrities and locking them up.

You know them, they're always driven to do that.

Especially all these Patriot fan cops that were

doing the arrest.

It probably broke their fucking heart.

Oh, yeah.

They were probably extremely conflicted.

Dude, when they showed up with the arrest warrant, one of the cops was like, oh man, I got a signed jersey of his.

And then another cop had to tell that cop, hey, listen, you have to be prepared to kill this man right now.

Yeah, like get your fucking act together.

Like, that's what they were dealing with going in for this arrest.

Yeah, I guarantee you they all went home that night and they cried into their wife's bosom because they were so fucking heartbroken.

Honestly, they thought they ruined the next season.

They were probably crying into the lap of their best guy friend.

Could be.

Also a possibility.

Not going to rule it out.

Oh, man.

The whole thing was basically a poor man's version of the OJ defense, but they didn't have anything nearly as effective as if the glove don't fit, you must acquit.

They could have at least tried, there ain't nothing suspicious about bubbalicious, but nothing.

Because then he'd been like, ha ha,

bubbalicious.

And at least with OJ, they had Mark Fuhrman, you know, being a total racist shithead.

That really was the main thrust of the defense, was showing that they're trying to paint the police as corrupt, and they did.

Yeah, and Hernandez's problem was that the North Attenborough Police Department learned from the mistakes of the LAPD all those years ago and actually did their jobs correctly.

Oh, yeah, they did it against their will as well.

And I will say for a smallish, you know, a smallish police force, they did a good job because a lot of times these small police forces can fuck these cases up bad.

Oh yeah,

they wrap this up pretty hardcore, but also it's really helpful when your criminal is a fucking

mentally broken idiot that can't fucking

handle the shit and doesn't know how to cover anything up.

I think that also really helps.

A child could have solved this case.

Yes.

So the jury.

But at least they did it.

Yes.

Because they definitely could have have not done it.

Yes.

Well, the jury deliberated for six days, which is usually an indicator that there's doubt with some jury members and they can't agree.

In this case, however, they might have spent six full days going, Holy shit, could you believe how bad Aaron Hernandez is at murder?

And they were just roasting him back then.

Oh, yeah, they probably just were like, man, he should get back to being a tight end.

It seemed like he was better at that.

Aaron Hernandez is so bad at murder.

How bad is he?

He was immediately

guilty.

Whatever the case, they returned a guilty verdict on April 15th, and Hernandez was sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Finally.

Hernandez, now full-on living that prison life, was starting to get in trouble behind bars.

He randomly punches another incarcerated person in the face while they're cuffed, but the guy who he punched doesn't press charges.

No, because in prison you can't.

Well, he's also, he said he was a Patriots fan.

And

it didn't matter, though, because Hernandez was given two weeks of solitary anyway.

Another time, guards were searching his cell, and Hernandez was hiding a piece of paper that said M-O-B on it.

They asked him what that meant.

He said, money over bitches.

But in prison, M-O-B also stands for Member of Bloods.

The guards said, hand it over.

Hernandez, upset, said, What if I don't?

What the fuck you gonna do, Bob?

The officers said they would give him a disciplinary report.

Oh, a piece of paper, huh?

I don't care no matter.

I don't give a fuck about no disciplinary report.

I'll eat the motherfucker.

He did receive the disciplinary report, and true to his word, he did eat it.

And I'll tell you what, honestly, in all honesty, I liked it.

To be honest,

thank you.

This is some of the nicest stuff I've had.

So this is his membership card to the bloods?

It's so fucking stupid, Marcus.

God damn.

Guys in prison are board.

Yeah, they are.

Yeah, they are.

They are.

And they got a lot of rules.

Guys winning.

Here's your membership card.

You're not going to sign it.

It don't count unless you sign it.

Make sure to put that in your wallet because you're not going to be able to get into the Sunday mixer without it.

Enjoy being a blood.

Now, I know we are called the Bloods, but you don't actually have to sign in Blood.

That's just the thing that people think.

A lot of us kind of think that's gross.

So, big ups, big G's to the West side.

Have fun.

Don't forget to have fun.

Don't forget to have fun.

That's the thing.

A lot of people, when they get into a gang, they forget to have fun, but not the buds.

Not the buds.

We don't forget to have fun here.

We're just having fun.

We do things a little different here.

Have you ever been a part of the Bloods before?

We do things a little bit different here.

We are a family-style gang, and we serve family-style violence for everyone.

I, for one, like the Bloods.

Good work, Eddie.

Unfortunately, I'm a crip.

C, C, C, C, U, N.

He also got an illegal neck tattoo that said lifetime loyalty above a star, which is also usually associated with the Bloods.

You just got in the Bloods.

Yeah.

Also, each pay phone in prison was run by a different gang.

He exclusively used the Bloods phone, so it's safe to say he was affiliated with them.

Maybe not before jail, but in jail for sure.

How do you think that draft was?

i think he got a better yeah spot in the draft it was in fourth round i don't want to be muslim

that's a big book i don't know if i could read all about that no pork

well i mean but the thing is he's finally living his fantasy oh yeah this fantasy that he's had for years and years that he's the gangster he's always wanted to be yeah he's finally this gang he's finally living this gangster lifestyle and hanging out with all these guys and he's just as tough as he always wanted to be dude they loved him too yeah he wasn't like usually like when famous guys go to jail jail, they just get the shit kicked out of them.

The fellow prisoners actually liked Aaron Hernandez.

It was him and same thing with Bernie Madoff.

Had an amazing time in prison.

Really?

Is he still alive?

No.

Good.

He died.

Yeah, he died a few years ago.

But yeah, he ended up, what did they call him?

The professor?

Yeah, he was like the, the, they, he did all the guys' taxes on the inside.

He did all the time.

He became a fucking like old.

Imagine going to prison and still having to do taxes.

Yeah, you still got to be an accountant.

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So on disciplinary status, he still figured out how he can get a care package from the commissary filled with cakes, breakfast bars, and two dozen honey buns.

When they came to take it away from him, he looked at the guards and said, I'm a smart dude.

I knew you were coming for the stuff, so I ate all of it.

I'm a smart dude.

I'm a smart dude.

That's the thing about me.

I think five steps ahead.

So So I ate them honey buns thinking I got them.

And I have big old Dookie.

You bet you mouth.

It's just going to be sitting there like, oh my God.

What is the point of having somebody at once?

Well, he actually had four honey buns left.

All right.

He kept the wrappers of the other ones so the guards knew he didn't give them away.

And when he took the last four honey buns, and when the guards took the last four honey buns, he wailed.

Give them back.

I'm so hungry.

He just ate 20 honey buns.

I know.

I had four more.

I had four more to get.

Now, I knew, you know, when you have a certain amount of food and you've worked through a certain amount of them, but then you just kind of understand that, like, I got four more, so I'm okay.

I'm going to be okay.

But then you, there's someone big none, and you're like, I'm going to expect them to eat all these.

Yeah.

I understand.

So you did rape?

You did a child rape?

Cool.

Crazy, man.

You're

Hernandez also threatened to kill a guard and his family, but I'm sure that was all in good fun.

Yeah, you know how that is, bro.

I'm just teasing you, man.

That's funny.

He got into a two-in-one fight as being part of the two, beating up the one.

He racked up 12 offenses, three of which were fist fights.

And he got real into K2.

K2, in case you don't know, is a synthetic marijuana that gives you a sense of euphoria when smoked.

Unfortunately, it can also cause paranoia, hallucinations, and psychotic episodes.

I know, they had a lot of problems with those.

Yeah, so now he's smoking something that's far worse than weed.

Yeah, and in jail.

Well, because the reason he was smoking K2 is because it's basically odorless and it doesn't show up on drug tests.

Yeah.

So he's getting fucking laced on it.

And it's reported that Hernandez fit into prison just a little too well.

Other than the bloods, he was starting to make friends.

He had to.

This was his new normal.

He just told me, and yeah, he just took to it.

Yeah, he's a creature of routine, you know, and habit from his football years.

He can live in any situation.

He's used to like three a day practices, sleeping on the floor, you know.

It's not that big of a difference in a weird way.

He was able to compartmentalize being locked up really well.

There were 120 dudes on his cell block.

100 of them were lifers.

Plenty of time to get to know these guys.

One guy he buddied up with was someone not there for life, Kyle Kennedy.

Kennedy had an interesting story himself.

He held up a Cumberland Farms gas station with a butcher knife and got $189.

But when they put him in jail, they forgot to lock his cell and he just walked out.

He proclaimed, Nobody told me I couldn't leave.

Loop hole.

I guess I'm just going to go there.

Hernandez liked to cut him as Jib.

Yeah, hell yeah.

And he got the guards to make him his bunk mates.

And we'll get back to this guy in a little bit.

But first, let's talk about Tanya Singleton.

Remember her?

She was in the middle of the worst year of her life.

Her husband, TL, died in that car crash.

She got breast cancer diagnosis and got locked up for contempt because she refused to testify in Aaron's trial.

They tried to get her to roll over on Aaron, but she was dying of cancer and told them to go fuck.

Yeah, Tanya was the woman that Aaron Hernandez lived with after

his father died.

Yeah,

that basically his cousin, his mom married her ex-husband.

She took care of him.

He looked at her as his mom more than his mom, Terry.

She was another extraordinarily harmful presence in his life that would just tell him, like, you're okay.

Everything you're doing is okay.

You're fine.

You're a beautiful baby and you've never done anything wrong.

Yeah, she probably just sat with his head in her lap and she ran her fingers through his bald head and fucking, you know, put him to sleep and stuff like that.

I'm sure she was very comforting to him while she was also teaching him the fucking worst shit in the world.

Yeah.

The thing is, a new piece of key evidence comes out when executing a search warrant at Tanya's house.

No, I'm not talking about the picture she had hanging up of Aaron Hernandez holding a 45 Glock, just like the murder weapon, although I should be.

Well, that's circumstantial.

In her garage, the cops found a silver forerunner.

That's right.

Jack Fox's silver forerunner, the endorsement car.

Remember, they stashed that shit in Tanya's garage?

They ran the license plate, and wouldn't you know it, it's the silver forerunner they'd been looking for from the Abreu abreu and fortado unsolved murders i mean that's they had

so much time to get rid of this car yes so much time to get rid of this car at any point just get rid of it throw it in the river yeah it's anything anything it's years later yeah it's why is it still like that's just how fucking lazy and stupid they are not just the car marcus they also found hernandez's clothes from that night that he was wearing it and the only reason they knew it was the clothes he was wearing because they had him on the club surveillance video and they found 38 caliber shells also the police had just stumbled onto the actual murder weapon as well so this time they actually have the gun also i put air on a lot of my clothes so i know they're mine

well remember these are the clothes he borrowed from alexander bradley oh yes yeah yes it was found the the murder weapon the 38 special it was found in a woman's car her name was jaylene diaz ramos uh She was in an accident, and after an accident, they always searched the car, just protocol, you know?

Jaylene had a pretty long rap sheet herself and She said the gun had belonged to a football player named Chicago Chicago's real name was John Alcorn John Alcorn was T.L.

Singleton's cousin.

Yes.

T.L.

Singleton was the the man who was married to Aaron Hernandez's cousin Tanya.

Yep.

And so they just gave the gun to some other guy.

Yeah, he literally just gave it to his cousin and he threw it in his girlfriend's trunk.

Yep.

And they just left it there.

Fucking Christ.

They're so bad at it.

Well, it's not.

Do you think that maybe he kept it as some sort of memento?

Like, do you think that when he went over to Tanya's house, maybe he went in the garage and relived the moment?

No, dude, this is the game.

This is Aaron Hernandez's gun.

I'm surprised Hernandez didn't autograph it.

Usually, I do think that there was a little bit of a deeply ignorant sentiment of this could all just go away.

Yeah.

And that if I just take this and hide it, lock the door, pretend it doesn't exist, it'll all go away.

No one's going to come looking for it.

So now the double murder trial is going to begin.

March 1st, 2017.

And this time, Aaron Hernandez got a fancy new lawyer.

His name was Jose Baez.

Baez.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Casey Anthony's lawyer.

Oh, yeah.

That fucking piece of shit.

Well acquainted with Jose Baez.

Oh, yeah.

Aaron Hernandez probably the whole time like, what's Casey Anthony's boobs like?

hold on he got her off

okay and this actually kose baez should have hired him for the first trial definitely should have hired him for the first trial and this trial would go much better for hernandez whereas the first trial had a mountain of evidence against the former tight end this one

didn't really have much definitive to tie him to the case all the security camera footage that showed hernandez at the club showed him doing things like standing there drinking walking, all of which at the time were legal in Massachusetts.

Disgusting.

Not since 2024.

The prosecution rested their case entirely on the shoulders of Alexander Bradley.

Bradley is not the most credible witness, not only because he's an admitted drug dealer, but also because he had just gotten arrested when he got into a gunfight at a nightclub and got shot three more times.

I gotta say, honestly, y'all, I am sick of getting shot.

I have had it up to my one eye left.

Because that's probably why he's a bad witness, too.

Yes,

one eye.

And he also wasn't a good shot because

after he got shot, he went and grabbed his gun and then fired it into the club 12 times.

Luckily, nobody was killed.

I need a scope on my face.

I don't got that.

I don't got any of that depth perception anymore.

They gave Bradley five years and he rolled over on Hernandez to get his charges reduced.

Oh, yeah.

Bradley took the stand sporting a fancy new fake guy, courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face.

An incident that fake eyes are actually really nice.

They are, they can be.

Man, remember Last Action Hero, the bad guy with the fake eyes?

That was the best one.

That was really fucking cool.

I love that goddamn movie.

Bradley took the stand, sporting a fancy new fake guy, courtesy of the time Hernandez shot him in the face.

An incident that feels intense enough to give the jury pause when considering Bradley's motivations for testifying against Hernandez in court.

He was a regular Shammy Davis Jr.

Funny.

Funny.

Sham.

That's my Sammy Davis.

Sure, Harada, Christian Curtis.

Harada, Harada.

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

He just starts tap-dancing in the courtroom.

I know that man.

He's black.

I mean, whether this is true or not, I'm pretty positive it is, but the motive was fucking terrible.

Yeah.

You know, are there people out there that would kill two men in cold blood over a spilled drink?

Yeah, you call them morons.

Yeah, I'm one of them.

Test me out.

Find out what's up.

But that's not exactly a strong motive to most reasonable people, and certainly enough to create reasonable doubt.

The more plausible motive was one floated by Hernandez's defense team, that Bradley had pulled the trigger.

Killing a Breu over a drug deal gone wrong.

Violent drug dealer gets violent over drugs.

Makes a lot more sense than man goes in a homicidal rage over spill drink and hatred of Cape Verneeds.

Well, it's one of those where it seems like a common Boston beginning of a fight is stepping on a shoe or spilling a drink.

Oh, absolutely.

Baez would say that Alexander Bradley is a three-legged pony, and then he would start to pretend to ride a horse around the courtroom.

You can't trust this man, you can't ride him home, he would say.

It's all really happened.

Well, it sounds like what Baez did with this case is a lot of the same type of tactics that he used to get Casey Anthony off is that what Baez did with Casey Anthony is he was able to make the jury think that they were smarter than everybody else.

Like, don't let them tell you what common sense is.

I'm going to tell you what common sense is.

You know what I mean?

But you know what common sense is.

So does this really make sense?

Just think about it for a second.

Does this really make sense?

And he really had a way of,

because the people on the Casey Anthony trial, they're like, the jurors, some of them are like, yeah, you know, I definitely think she did it, but

that Jose Baez.

Love that laise.

He's like, he just made a better, he made a better argument.

It's like, that's not the fucking thing.

That's not the point.

That's not what we're here for.

Yeah.

Jose Baez, he just, he confuses people.

He confuses jurors.

He's very good at confusing jurors.

I once had this shady ass lawyer tell me that law is only what the best lawyer can pretend it is.

Of course.

And then you have good lawyer, and then it's also what judges uphold and then decide.

So, April 6th, closing statements were made.

The jury deliberated for six days, yet again.

And on April 14th, they came back with the results.

Shayana was the only one there for Aaron this time.

Terry and DJ had enough of the public eye.

The results were much more favorable for Aaron Hernandez this time.

He was acquitted of all counts related to the murders and was only found guilty for unlawful possession of a firearm, which got him an additional four to five years on top of his existing life sentence.

And for the first time ever, he showed emotion and he broke down in tears and relief in front of the whole courtroom.

Baza crime!

Baza crime!

And not only that, he already had Baez working on his appeal for the Odin-Lloyd murder.

Hernandez was noticeably happier in jail.

He had something to be excited about, the first win in a long time.

If he could get this appeal and win, he could become an NFL star again.

But

on april 17th investigative journalist michelle mcphhe appeared on the boston sports radio show the kirk and callahan show let's listen to the clip michelle uh knows the real motive for uh the murder of odin lloyd

and let's just say that uh odin lloyd caught aaron hernandez in a compromising position let's just say that aaron hernandez was a former tight end before

he was kicked off

the field as well yeah yes And then he became a wide receiver.

Henry, is that really who you want to be in?

You want to be in league with those guys?

I didn't.

You noticed?

You did.

You started this entire series with

that exact same joke.

Someone had to be the problematic male.

And at that point, it fell to me.

I think it still is you.

Yeah, he continued to be me, but you notice I haven't said it since.

That's right.

I just saved it for the opening because controversy drives the internet.

It does.

Go ahead, say it again.

As

at this point, you know what's funny is that I was expecting more to point towards it, but we haven't really seen any of that.

You know, I, you know, I'm going to get into it.

I actually thought that was going to be a bigger deal in this story, to be frank.

I thought it was too.

And as I researched everything, it didn't, it seemed like it was part of his life.

Maybe.

But does he buy or is he just kind of on the down low?

Is it just one of those things that he just does it to do because he doesn't understand?

Let's get into it a little bit more because I have my own theories about it.

Yeah.

But anyway,

around 1 a.m., April 19th, 2017, Aaron Hernandez hung himself with a bedsheet over his window cut in his cell.

He jammed his cell door shut with cardboard, opened his Bible to John 3.16, wrote John 3.16 on his forehead with red ink.

Just those words.

Just those words.

Not the full verse.

And then he used his own blood to write John 3.16 on his cell wall and drew a crude pyramid with the word Illuminati written under it.

I don't know if that's supposed to mean.

I'm not trying to laugh at this.

I really am not going to do what I'd like to do during the

moment.

Hernandez left several notes next to his Bible, stripped naked, made stigmata marks on his hands and feet,

covered the floor of his cell with shampoo, slid the sheet rope through the window slat that was only five feet off the ground, so he had to do the actual strangulation himself.

It was no easy task to complete, but just like everyone always said about him, once he set his mind to something, he did it.

And he did it the hardest way possible.

And again, he's a dead man, but he's also a murderer.

So I will say, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

That's the dumbest way to commit suicide that I've ever fucking heard.

What's it the shampoo?

Did he want the cops to slip?

To come at him.

So he would slip.

You think it's because he would slip?

I think it's so that the cops would slip to come in looking at his body.

I think that he wrote Illuminati on the wall because he's mentally 14 years old.

I think he did that as a way to kind of be like, it's the, I was murdered.

I was whacked.

I was whacked by the Illuminati.

I think he did it because that's the signal on the back of the dollar bill and says, in God, we trust.

I think that's why he did it.

I mean, I don't think he understood what Illuminati was.

I was going to say that all that is as stupid as anything else.

Yeah.

Well, unfortunately, it's about to get slightly dumber.

Why did he do it?

Was it the outing of his supposed sexuality?

Was he depressed about possibly spending the rest of his life in prison?

Was he just having an intense K2 CTE episode?

Or was it another thing called abatement?

In Massachusetts, at the time, there was a legal procedure called abatement.

It basically means that if a defendant died while the repeal of a conviction was pending, the conviction would be wiped out.

Now cleared of the double murder and in the middle of an appeal in the Odin-Lloyd case, Hernandez might have factored this into his decision to commit suicide.

His note included a passage written directly to his fiancée that ends with the phrase, you're rich, in all caps and underlined.

Well, let me correct that.

It ends with a quote from a Savage Garden song, as all good suicide notes should.

The song is called, I knew I loved you.

And the quote was, Tell my story fully, but never think anything else besides, I love you.

Well, Aaron.

I'm working on it.

Not even truly, madly, deeply.

No way.

That's the Savage Garden song.

I could see someone telling him about abatement and him maybe in a impulse-driven.

Because I weirdly think.

I think it's all connected.

I think it's all connected.

I think that he

didn't.

Obviously.

I don't know.

Would it even affect him, somebody saying something about him being gay?

Because actually part of my mind if him, I think he'd kind of think like...

In jail?

Yeah, yeah, but in jail, they do a lot of stuff.

Yeah, in the dark.

But yeah.

Yeah, and they do it.

But they have like, it's not all just like.

But men have relationships in jail.

They work.

They work.

Not him.

Yeah, and not outside of jail because that's the thing, the whole thing is that Aaron Hernandez, his relationships were outside of jail.

If you're in jail, that's a different thing altogether.

But if you continue that outside of jail, then, you know, punk.

Yeah, no, I know, but he's not getting out of jail.

Not anymore.

Nope.

Six days after Hernandez's death, his attorneys filed a legal motion to vacate the Lloyd conviction.

If successful, this would have tons of ramifications, most notably that Lloyd's family couldn't pursue a civil claim and that Hernandez's estate might be entitled to the $40 million contract the Patriots had voided because of the whole murder kerfuffle.

Yeah, that was the thing.

The murder stuff really put a damper on a lot of stuff.

In May of 2017, a judge granted the motion and erased the conviction, clearing the way for Hernandez's estate to pursue the NFL contract money.

The following year, however, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court reversed the ruling and reinstated the conviction, saying the concept of abatement was outdated.

They ruled that abatements would no longer apply moving forward.

Yeah, because it's really stupid to create like this thing of like, as long as you kill yourself before you're fucking guilty, it doesn't count.

Like, it's like, that makes no sense.

It was a law from like the 1800s.

There was a reason for it back then.

Yeah.

That no longer applied.

Yeah, you like, it's one of those things that you like, you forget to change.

Yeah.

So after all the dust had settled on the violent crime spree of Aaron Hernandez, we finally had a happy ending.

The Patriots had made $40 million.

All is well that ends well.

Because they needed it.

Yes.

They really needed that extra 40 mil.

After his death, the tabloids had a field day with the outing of Aaron Hernandez.

I mean, it's a hell of a juicy story.

Shit, I decided to tell a version of it to you folks right now.

Kyle Kennedy, his former cellmate, told Aaron Hernandez's jail lover stories to anyone who would listen.

His high school teammate, Dennis Sansusi, told of his escapades in the Netflix doc.

And Ryan Murphy Show told the tale of his forbidden love with an old trainer from the NFL Conbine prep.

Now, does that come from anything, or is that just Ryan Murphy jerking off?

It's just Ryan Murphy jerking off.

I think it is.

Because that's the only place I saw it was in Ryan Murphy's show.

Same.

That's the only place.

I read books.

I read fucking

articles.

All I saw was these kind of snippets of people talking about it.

And weirdly, the jail lover stuff is actually,

I actually kind of even put that into a whole thing of he got so comfortable in jail.

And then that stuff is so really in jail.

It's pretty run of the mill.

Like, guys

work stuff out all the time.

Yeah, but there is also Dennis, the high school buddy.

they yeah that's that's something else everybody sucks dick

everybody's sucking dick having a good time

whether any of it's true is neither here nor there at this point was he gay was he bisexual truth is we'll never really know for sure because the only person that could tell us aaron is dead i'm more of a trisexual

so clever aaron did you come up with that yourself yeah

i would have thought about it.

I was like, well, twi, Rob's a bot.

Try and assume stuff.

That's me.

I do so.

Do I think it's possible he was gay?

Of course I do.

You know, do I think it matters?

No!

Not as much as the stage three CTE drug use and abusive upbringing, that's for goddamn sure.

Methinks the CTE and the PCP were a little bit more on the hopped up the

finger than

him being gay.

I think the being gay might have been the only nice thing about him.

Yeah, I mean, really, it was the lifelong culture of permissiveness.

Like him constantly getting away with everything.

Smashing his face in other people's faces, other people's faces for fucking

fun and profit.

I mean, it seems to be,

to me, I would probably put Aaron Hernandez more in the bisexual realm.

Yeah.

And I think, but I do think that anytime he had feelings for a man, it freaked him the fuck out.

And I don't think he didn't like it.

I'm not.

I love you.

I mean, he's definitely trying to hook up with the babysitter.

You know, there's plenty of times he cheated on his wife a bunch with women.

He got caught.

You guys do that all the time to show other people they're straight.

Like, who?

His wife?

Yeah.

Literally.

To show his wife he's straight.

He's cheating on her with women.

So that, because they're.

I mean, not as they weren't married yet.

Think about how gay you got to be to be married and gay.

Like, that's the gayest shit in the world.

Yeah.

Well, I think that he was.

He's 30 gay enough to be married to a woman yeah yeah yeah um but i do yeah i think it's most likely that he was bisexual but i really don't think that him being closeted was what led to any of this no i don't think it had any bearing i'm sure it may be the suicide it probably increased the pressure and it yeah and it may have definitely had something to do with the suicide uh but i don't think it had anything to do with his crimes especially oda moid yeah especially especially oda yeah yeah before we go, though, we need to talk about one of the most bizarre subplots of the Aaron Hernandez story that has to be the additional murders committed by members of his high school football team.

This

is insane.

Yeah.

So Bristol, Connecticut has a population just north of 60,000 people.

Big for a town, small for a city.

It's known primarily as the home of ESPN.

Admittedly, a strange location for media conglomerate owned by Disney.

You gotta stretch a bit for Bristol's second claim to fame.

They're known as Mum City because they were once the leader in chrysanthemum production.

Chrysanthemum.

Chrysanthium.

I think we both just say it differently.

Chrysanthemum.

Chrysanthemum.

No, they say flower.

It's a flower called Chrysanthemum.

Chrysanthemum?

Yeah.

Chrysanthemum.

Chrysanthemum.

Chrysanthemum.

Well, they produce it.

And although their glory days and the chrysanthemum game may be behind them, they still host an annual Bristol Mum Festival at the end of September.

Great.

By the time you hear this, tickets might already be sold out.

Oh, it's never too late to start planning for the 2026 festival season.

I better start getting the tickets to the mum festival.

Nothing I love better than...

Do you know where you got the tickets?

Mum's the word.

Mum's the word.

Yes.

Anyway, other than those two things, I guess they're most known for their high school football players going on to kill people.

Yes.

Bristol Central High School is one of three high schools in the city.

Its motto is Be creative, be conscientious, be collaborative, be committed.

Although the last one should probably be

committing murders.

Funny.

Because that's what three players from the 2006 Rams roster did.

Alex Ring.

Married his high school.

By the way, all three of these guys in the team photo are standing directly next to each other.

Yeah.

Yeah, they're all like buddies, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Aaron Hernandez, Alex Ring, and this other guy, Nick Brutcher.

Yeah, all standing.

It's a a haunting photo.

Alex Ring married his high school sweetheart, and they had three kids.

After school, he joined the National Guard.

Seemed like a pretty great life.

But in 2014, things clearly weren't going well for the Ring family.

On May 29th, Alex purchased a 12-gauge shotgun from Dick Sporting Goods.

The next day, his wife, Kyla, filed for divorce.

Remember, there's no waiting period when purchasing a shotgun or rifle, just handguns.

Yeah, because to be honest, you can't kill anybody with a shotgun or a rifle.

You're right.

Not humans.

No, just deer.

Just deer and big pigs.

Yeah, and birds.

The day after that, Kyla called the Bristol police about a domestic disturbance and told officers she didn't feel safe.

Later that night, a Connecticut National Guard mental health official contacted local police twice to express concern about Alex's missing therapy and his, quote, increasing erratic behavior.

On June 4th, police responded to a call and found both Alex and Kyla dead from gunshot wounds to the head.

Alex had committed a murder-suicide, leaving his three young children behind.

In 2022.

At least he didn't kill the kids.

Yeah, you're right, Henry.

You know what?

Honestly, I thought the same thing.

In 2022, Nick Brutcher became the latest Bristol Central football player to go off the deep end.

In October that year, perhaps feeling withdrawals from dizzying highs of the Chrysanthium festival to his.

It's a goddamn chrysanthemum.

I don't give a shit about the flower.

I just want to make fun of it.

Bircher committed a particularly heinous crime.

Around 10 p.m.

that night, Nick made a 911 call and told the dispatcher that he'd gotten into an argument with his brother Nathan.

He said Nathan was being aggressive and he needed assistance.

The story was completely fabricated, however, it was a ruse to get the police to his residence where he was was hiding in the bushes and waiting to ambush the officers.

I think all these guys should be focusing on their chrysanthemum parade float.

I don't know what's going on here.

I really think there's a lot of things they could be working on.

Brutcher fired almost 100 total shots, split between an AR-15 and then handgun.

In the process, he killed two police officers and wounded a third.

He also wounded his brother Nathan, who happened to be in the doorway when the police arrived.

The only surviving officer, Alex Zerkrado, was able to limp back to his car despite being shot in the leg.

He took cover behind the vehicle before emerging to kill Nick with a single shot.

At night.

Yes, he was good at it.

An investigation would later produce a step-by-step timeline of events showing that it started as a night out for Nathan and Nick, but after a bar fight, a ticket for a suspended license, and a truck being towed, they ended up back home where Nick carried out his plan.

Perhaps the least surprising detail of the horrific night is that it all started at a stand-up comedy open mic.

Hell yeah.

As someone who's done a lot of these bar mics in his life, let me say this is somehow the best case scenario.

God, an open mic bar night in Bristol, Connecticut.

Oh, God.

God, that's got to be.

I'm sorry, Bristol, but I don't think you're funny.

No, sorry, guys.

You guys ever noticed this ESPN thing is like everywhere?

It's everywhere.

It's like ESPN.

Like, what does it stand for?

Chrysanthiums.

Chrysanthiums.

The only thing Butcher has in common with Hernandez, other than football and the murders, which frankly is enough, is the fact that he also appeared to be closeted gay man.

Cell phone records show that before his death, he downloaded and deleted Grinder several times, perhaps indicating an internal struggle over the truth he was scared to share.

There's an HBO Max documentary that details these cases, interviews old teammates, and attempts to find some connective tissue.

They talk about CTE, locker room culture, toxic masculinity, and sure, all of those things can be contributing factors in any or all of these cases.

Of course.

But it's worth noting that those things existed in pretty much every high school football program in the country back in the early 2000s.

If the formula is high-pressure high school football plus head injuries plus not being allowed to be gay equals murder, then the entire populations of Texas and Florida would have been wiped out years ago.

In reality, this is probably just a sad coincidence and a fascinating footnote to the Aaron Hernandez story.

It's not a good one, though.

It's really, it's just fascinating, the fact that they were all

maybe just being a bully shitheads.

I mean, it's there is, I think, maybe just something about Bristol, Connecticut.

I don't.

We haven't heard it about it since.

I mean,

I watch the

footage of Aaron Hernandez playing football in high school, the way he uses his head all the time, that shit's taught.

You know, like that, that is absolutely, that is a taught move.

And I think a lot of the players at Bristol were taught to use their heads.

And I think that may have given quite a few of them CTE.

Oh, yeah.

And it made them violent.

Not just that.

You start at eight in Pop Warner.

Oh, yeah.

And Bristol, Connecticut is it's kind of a an outlier because, you know, Connecticut's not known for its football, you know, not usually uh and i think they might go a little harder than other places go you know and i yeah i i don't really know what it is because it's because also like aaron's brother dj also had like kind of a fucked up prologue yeah or epilogue yeah no he uh he got mad about everything that happened with aaron hernandez and the way espn covered it so he like threw a brick at the espn office saying like you're responsible for all this shit again acting like a high school kid but then he also got in trouble like scoping out UConn for a possible spree shooting.

And he's currently on house arrest.

Hey, you know, at least we know where he is.

Yeah.

Just don't go near that house.

No.

But there's just there, I don't know what it is.

Maybe it is early 2000s football culture in this place.

Because all these guys, because, you know, a DJ was just a couple years older than Aaron, what, like two years older.

You know, there's something about it, something about this class.

It's not like his dad was fucking sane either.

No, no, he wasn't.

It's like a Stephen King story where the whole football team gets cursed.

This movie, him, actually sounds very interesting.

None of this is all

very coincidence.

It's a full coincidence.

So after all this, I'm really trying to figure out where I am personally with football.

Truth is, I haven't watched the Miami Dolphins play in two years, and not only because they're awful, I'm used to that.

I'm used to them being bad at football.

But unpacking what football means to me in therapy these last couple years, I've frankly fallen out of love.

Besides the personal trauma it's caused me through childhood abuse of popcorn or football from being so big as an eight-year-old that I had to play with 12-year-olds.

I was the only white kid on the team and four years younger than everyone else.

My teammates would regularly beat the shit out of me until I earned their respect by fist fighting back.

And then they gave me a trophy for most improved, you know, and I don't blame them, to be honest with you.

I was like the first white kid they were allowed to beat up.

You know, beat me up.

And also you were getting used to being beat up.

Yes.

That was your job.

Absolutely.

My dad fucking loved it, to be honest with you.

Of course he did.

I love it just hearing about it.

I'm haunted by it.

I know.

I just love to hear about it.

I love hearing boys get it all up onto each other, man.

I'm haunted by such traumas like having to take laxatives and shit myself or running in a trash bag to make weight.

And then my father forcing me to walk home because I was covered in shit.

I remember once an older kid reached his hand into my face mask and clawed my eyes.

After I was cleared to go back in the game, I I was filled with rage.

I slammed my helmet into his knee for revenge, sending him to the hospital in the middle of the game.

Not only was I not reprimanded for that game, I was also given the game ball.

The incident that made me never want to play again was sophomore year in high school.

I remember two of my teammates got into a fight, and one of them took his helmet off and started swinging it as a weapon.

Coach had a circle around them to let them fight.

Even at 15, I knew how dangerous this was and took it upon myself to break up the fight.

I was was reprimanded by my coaches and I yelled back at them.

They tried to punish me by not moving me up to varsity at the end of the year, but I was too good and the varsity coaches needed me, so I moved up anyway.

That's how it works.

That was my last season.

I was done after that.

My God, Ivy, your program sounds so much more intense than mine was.

It was very intense.

Yeah, because this type of shit.

I will say this about Go Coach 4hand.

You wouldn't have put up with that bullshit in my field.

You definitely wouldn't.

But you you had kind of had a

like that school was one of those where it did take football really seriously.

We did.

Yeah, we did.

We were good.

I mean, like, first year we were horrible, but the second year, we were very good.

But, I mean, but we were also at two entirely different levels because

you're playing in 50,000.

I have like 3,000 kids in my school.

Yeah.

I had 300 people in my town.

Yeah.

You know, it's six-man, and I played six-man football, you know, which is, you know, six guys on each side instead of 11.

It's for smaller schools.

We had 60 guys on my squad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we had 55 people in our entire high school.

So

for us, it's entertainment for the town.

And it's something that gives the, it's there for the town specifically, and that's it.

There's not really much else.

Like, none of the six-man players, like, there was one dude that I think

played a couple of downs of college football that we played against.

But otherwise, like, six-man guys, they ain't making it.

They ain't even making it.

They don't even know how to play the same game, really.

They They really don't.

It's an entirely different way of playing the game.

But it's not, but that's the thing.

There's not, the stakes aren't as high.

In your school, did you guys ever do the thing?

There was this game that they played at my school called Everybody Rapes Henry.

Have you played that game?

Did you guys play that game?

No, we didn't play that.

I played it, but I wasn't Henry.

Wow.

I was always Henry.

Yeah.

There was a game called Break Marcus's Bones, and they were really good at that.

Like,

three guys

really won Break Marcus's Bones.

Yeah, I bet.

In different years.

That's amazing.

Well, now,

as a fully aware adult man, when I look at my favorite team, mostly aware.

Mostly aware.

Adult man.

I look at my favorite team, the Miami Dolphins and who they are.

And I'm disgusted with them and the dude I used to be.

I used to let them ruin my week, getting upset, screaming like a maniac, as if I had anything to do with the game, you know, like, and after a loss, I wouldn't talk to the people I love and I would drink my sorrows away.

For what reason?

Because my favorite TV show didn't go the way I liked it?

Today, the Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tungovioloa has had so many concussions that doctors think he should retire, but he keeps playing because of pride.

I watched him almost die in Cincinnati a couple years ago.

The star receiver Tyreek Hill has multiple domestic abuse incidents, including hitting his pregnant wife with little to no repercussions, all while their owner Stephen Ross rose $50,000 a plate fundraising dinners for Trump while Tua plays Kretsch with his grandchildren.

I thought to myself, what the fuck am I rooting for?

So now I got my Sundays back for one-third of the year, and my general mental health has improved greatly.

Not to mention, check this out, since 2014, the nation's inflation has risen 31%,

but going to see the Miami Dolphins price has raised 103%.

The poor Detroit Lions fans have dealt with a 201% increase in ticket sales and in concessions.

And we all know how rich the citizens of Detroit are.

Oh, yeah.

Going to a sitting on their gold.

I know what's happening down there.

Going to an NFL game has turned into something reserved only for the elite.

Oh, shit, it's been like that for years.

When I was a kid, we couldn't afford to go to Dallas Cowboys games.

In the 90s.

There used to be a thing for Dolphins games that, like, I think it was because no one was going, but you could go for like $5 if you bought the tickets at Winn-Dixie.

That shit don't exist anymore.

No.

They had a section called the Fun Zone, and that's where the most fights were.

That's where it's called fun.

We're having fun.

We put our own fun.

Right now, if you want to watch football, it's $378 just to watch the shit on YouTube.

It is.

It's fucked.

It's wild.

For a CC, the NFL season ticket or whatever it's called.

I was looking at getting it because I wanted to actually fill my Sundays with something.

I literally was going to watch football, but I was like, this is insane.

It's insane.

Not just that.

People deserve to keep politics and football separate, but we all know that's not the case.

Oh, they put it in.

They're doing it.

Between blatant military propaganda going on as long as I can remember, along with on September 14th, five NFL teams held moments of silence for the death of Charlie Kirk.

This is the same league that regularly silences black men when they they make statements, such as ruining the career of Colin Kaepernick for silently protesting by kneeling to advocate for police reform to fining players up to $65,000 for touchdown dances, according to their own website.

It seems absurd.

You're right.

So I might watch a game here and there, but as far as breaking the bank to support a league and team and tradition that uses up their players like they're pawns on a chessboard, honestly, makes me nauseous.

I got better things to do than get get hammered and yell at a television in my own home like Yosemite Sam.

So this Sunday, I'll see you fuckers at the farmer's market, movie theater, or park, making my marriage the best it could possibly be.

Take her someplace nicer.

Take her someplace else.

No, honestly, great series that he's fantastic.

And interestingly,

the only football that I was watching for the last few years was the Texas Tech Red Raiders.

And our mascot, Raider Red, looks a lot like Yosemite Sam.

Oh, oh,

yeah, good.

Ruffing, ruffing, ruffing, ruffing, ruffin, rapping, freaking wrecking, you know who should watch more of it's basketball, yeah, yeah, because nothing, there's nothing bad with that.

No, man, no, but they don't get it's not like this, they allow them to protest, right?

They get it, they get more, they have more access to it, they do a little bit more social things.

It's a it's a fun game.

Basketball is a great alternative.

Baseball playoffs are about to start.

Baseball's boring, baseball, stop.

Start in the fourth inning.

It's a lot easier to take.

Baseball is the one place that I did.

Baseball, to me, is the one sport that's better at.

It's the only sport for me that's better at the park.

Oh, yeah.

It's way better at the park.

Everything else is better on television.

I find basketball extraordinarily dull.

I love it.

I like basketball.

Yeah.

But they've made it.

Now that it's all three points, it's not as fun.

Yeah.

You know what it is, Parley, for me as well?

Squeaking.

Oh,

I can't take the squeaking.

But if you go to a pro basketball game, they just have like straight up DJs now playing during the game.

The blast.

That's wild.

Every time we went to fucking the the staple center, it was a fucking blast.

Please, crypto.com arena.

Thank you.

Thank you for working.

Good work, Eddie.

Yeah, great job.

That was a fucking great series.

I want to thank Grant, who helped me with the last episode, Grant Gordon, and Pat Barker, Roastwriter Extraordinaire, who helped me with today's script.

That's amazing.

Really good fucking work.

And we are still operating.

No matter what we've said, no matter what we've done.

We continue forward and we will.

Just like a drunk doctor who won't leave the hospital.

We are just going to barrel forward, just like Aaron Hernandez.

We're gonna go head up, just out, into this new realm.

And you can help us on patreon.com/slash last podcast and left.

Help us get cultural CTE with our approach to content making.

Yeah, because coming up next, coming up this next week, we really, we have a series that, like I said, we've been working on it for months upon months upon months.

Not even a joke, it's almost a year.

So this is going to be an absolutely massive series.

I don't think anyone's going to be able to call what it is either.

No, and it's an absolutely massive series, and it starts a new running

series that we will be returning to here on Last Podcast Network.

So, this is, I mean, it's a big fucking deal.

We got a lot of stuff.

So, I think we can, I think we can at least tease the name of this series.

The Mount Rushmore of Evil.

Yep.

We've got four chosen, and we're going to be going through them one by one.

They're all massive stories,

and some of them are quite relevant, quite relevant, quite relevant, including the one that we're about to get into.

Extremely, extremely relevant.

So, we are, we're really, really excited.

It's going to be both funny and might bum you out.

It's going to be funny.

So, you'll get, but then, and you're also going to hear things.

You're going to hear some of the worst shit that you've ever heard on this show on this series.

We're going to make it light.

Yeah.

You're going to love it.

No.

Sorry, fuckers.

look at all our socials that LP on the less.

Oh, I have a movie that I'm working on.

Yes.

Go to ufo.movie.

Give me money.

This is the Kickstarter for my new movie, Unbelievably Friendly Organisms.

They don't want me to make this movie.

So I need to make it with my own goddamn hands.

So come on on there.

They.

Yeah, man.

My.

My wife.

My wife and family.

No, you come out and see this.

Marcus has a part in it.

He has no choice.

Eddie's got a part in it.

Everybody else got a party.

I also don't have a choice.

You don't have a choice.

And uh and then wow yeah come join me amber nash and jenna hayes but we're gonna have a big old bunch of other people that we're going to be announcing soon as well i got a cool thing coming up too i wanted to tell people about on october 12th i just booked this shit we're doing on the 11th we're doing milwaukee on the 12th i'm taking my big ass to madison i'm gonna be at comedy on state with uh logan metz the piano player from lucas nelson and the promise of the real oh it's awesome he's got his own album coming out so he's gonna open with a bunch of those fucking songs and then i'm gonna come out and do my thing for an hour.

Y'all come out and see us over at Comedy on State.

That's October 12th in Madison, Wisconsin.

It's awesome.

Hell yeah.

Also, we're on tour.

Obviously, we're going to be in Milwaukee on October 11th, but then Oakland on October 25th.

And

I don't know where we're going to be on 29th yet.

Did we decide?

Did we fix that?

I believe that's still in the works.

But we are fixing it somewhere close.

Somewhere close.

It is just not yet done.

It's not yet finally.

And then on December 12th and 13th, we're going to be be in Portland, Oregon.

And please,

we got some new shows for 2026 about to be announced.

Stay tuned.

I can't wait to fucking keep this train going.

We're going to have a lot of fun.

Can't wait.

You fucker.

See you guys in goddamn other places in these.

Helsey.

Again.

Oh, boy.

Who do I like?

Who do I like?

Who do I like?

Hail, Pat Barker.

Thanks for your help, buddy.

Really good.

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