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Speaker 1 Welcome to Love It or Leave It live at Dynasty Typewriter. We have got a great show for you tonight.
Henry Winkler is here.

Speaker 1 You know him from 1600 Penn.

Speaker 1 Maybe some of his other work.

Speaker 1 The hilarious Mo Amer is here.

Speaker 1 And the three of us are going to answer some questions, rank some Gentiles, and share some complaints. But first, let's get into it.
What a week.

Speaker 1 Hey, do you guys remember last week?

Speaker 3 And how fun it was?

Speaker 1 Remember how Democrats won big on election night

Speaker 1 and then we all lived out at Crooked Con and we were riding high

Speaker 1 alas we can flip that days since Democrats were huge pussies sign

Speaker 1 back to zero

Speaker 1 that's right a group of eight Democratic senators struck a deal with Republicans to end the government shutdown this week without extending Obamacare subsidies as Democrats had demanded unbelievable It's like they didn't even see Barack Obama's surprise appearance at Crooked Con.

Speaker 1 Other Democrats were furious about the agreement, with many calling for a shake-up at Senate leadership.

Speaker 1 Ah, but could another Senate leader do this, said Chuck Schumer, revealing that he somehow does the wordle with pen and paper.

Speaker 1 And the senators who caved didn't make the best argument for their decision. Here's Maine Independent and guy who looks like he's named Angus King, Angus King, on Monday.

Speaker 4 In terms of standing up to Donald Trump, the shutdown actually gave him more power, Exhibit A being what he's done with SNAP and SNAP benefits across the country.

Speaker 4 So standing up to Donald Trump didn't work. It actually gave him more power.

Speaker 2 Hey man,

Speaker 1 shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 There's a hundred ways you could defend that vote without saying we tried too hard.

Speaker 1 Standing up to Trump gives him more power. He's not powered by hopes and dreams.
He's a fascist, not Santa's sleigh.

Speaker 1 But it's also unclear how continuing the shutdown would have led to a better outcome.

Speaker 1 And the truth is the best and easiest politics is to rail against the Democrats who caved to Trump and decry their lack of a fight, but doing it in a world where the government is open.

Speaker 1 Like how the best position for me to be in is to say, damn, I was really looking forward to our hike in a world where it is raining.

Speaker 1 And I am already downloading Hades 2.

Speaker 1 There are many ways in which Chuck Schumer has been a weak leader and a weak communicator, but that doesn't mean a different leader would have produced a different result.

Speaker 1 After all, we achieved our number one goal, which was to fuck up all the flights at JFK.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's right.

Speaker 1 No, the shutdown focused the country's attention on healthcare and affordability, and Trump is finally feeling the heat. Trump put it best himself.

Speaker 5 So I don't want to hear about the affordability because right now we're much less.

Speaker 1 Oh, you don't want to hear about affordability? I don't want to hear about YouTube title, SEO, but these are the careers we've chosen.

Speaker 1 Here's Laura Ingram, of all people, pressing Trump on this.

Speaker 6 Is this a voter perception issue of the economy, or is there more that needs to be done by Republicans on Capitol Hill, or done in terms of policy?

Speaker 7 More than anything else, it's a conjugate by the Democrats.

Speaker 6 So are you saying that voters are

Speaker 2 misperceiving how they feel?

Speaker 7 So when I took over, you remember?

Speaker 8 Because you said Biden did that too, because he was saying things were great.

Speaker 2 Things weren't great.

Speaker 1 Oh my God, sorry, continued Ingram, reaching for a glass of water. That felt like a hiccup, but the sound that it made was journalism.

Speaker 1 I'm so sorry. My apologies, Mr.
President. Man, a week ago, he's like, I'm president for life.
Week later, Laura Ingram's like, are you too much like Joe Biden?

Speaker 1 CNN even played Trump and Biden side by side.

Speaker 6 People saying they're anxious about the economy. Why are they saying that?

Speaker 7 I don't know that they are saying. I think polls are fake.
We have the greatest economy we've ever had.

Speaker 10 Look at the Michigan survey. For 65% of American people think they're in good shape economically.
They think the nation's not in good shape, but they're personally in good shape.

Speaker 10 The polling data has been wrong all along.

Speaker 1 Post-Obama, the country wanted old defensive white male cranks, and we're just getting it out of our system.

Speaker 1 And I was thinking about this. If we go Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama,

Speaker 1 it will be nicely symmetrical, like how it went James I, Charles I, interregnum, Charles II, James II in England. Are you not laughing because you don't know about England?

Speaker 1 Are you not laughing because you're here to see Henry Winkler?

Speaker 1 In a panic, Trump has been tossing out half-baked ideas.

Speaker 1 Over the weekend, he suggested sending $2,000 tariff rebate checks to all but the wealthiest Americans and using the rest of the revenue to pay down the debt.

Speaker 1 Sounds nice, except the new tariffs have generated about $117 billion in revenue. To give half the the country $2,000 would cost several times that.

Speaker 1 Tariff rebates aren't like 90,000 square foot ballrooms. They don't just pay for themselves.

Speaker 1 Treasury Secretary and gay trader

Speaker 1 Scott Bessman

Speaker 1 was asked about this idea on Sunday, and he was clearly caught off guard.

Speaker 11 The $2,000 dividend could come in lots of forms, in lots of ways, George.

Speaker 11 It could be just the tax decreases that we are seeing on the president's agenda.

Speaker 1 It could be a check you receive, or it could be nothing.

Speaker 1 Another option is nothing.

Speaker 1 But Trump's instinct here isn't wrong. He promised that tariffs would magically make life better, but all they've done is driven up costs and fucked with people's livelihoods.

Speaker 1 We learned this week that the Trump administration is considering a 107% tariff on Italian pasta. As if Andrew Cuomo's November

Speaker 1 wasn't bad enough.

Speaker 1 Italian pasta makers are pleading with the administration to reverse course, saying stuff like, Mama me,

Speaker 1 107%,

Speaker 1 that's a spicy meatball. And it's me, Mario, telling my wife where to find the life insurance policy while sobbing.

Speaker 12 Epstein alert.

Speaker 12 Epstein alert.

Speaker 2 Epstein alert.

Speaker 1 All right, folks, we got an Epstein alert.

Speaker 1 Stay in your seats.

Speaker 1 It either means he's escaped his paddock or

Speaker 1 Epstein's back in the news.

Speaker 1 Yes, as the shutdown came to a close and Democrats returned to their natural state, complaining about how Democrats never have a message, in part because Democrats prefer talking about how Democrats never have a message instead of actually having one, the House Oversight Committee made public for the first time a massive trove of Jeffrey Epstein emails.

Speaker 1 And I hope he's dead because if not, I think he'd die of embarrassment. So many typos.

Speaker 1 There are 23,000 pages worth of correspondence, including emails between Epstein and his pimp girlfriend, Ghelaine Maxwell, and one email to reporter Michael Wolfe that said plainly Trump, quote, knew about the girls.

Speaker 1 Epstein's other emails, mostly rejections from the New Yorker Shouts and Murmurs section.

Speaker 1 It turns out that's actually why he killed himself, which is kind of sad.

Speaker 1 In one 2011 email to Maxwell, Epstein wrote, I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. Victims spent hours at my house with him.
He has never once been mentioned.

Speaker 1 This is the main way that Trump is different from my dog.

Speaker 1 Replied Maxwell, I have been thinking about that. And replied Atlantic editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg, I'm sorry, why am I on this?

Speaker 1 In January of 2019, in an email to Wolf, Epstein weighed in on the rumor that Trump kicked him out of Mar-a-Longo, saying, Trump said he asked me to resign.

Speaker 1 Never a member ever, of course, he knew about the girls, as he asked Ghelane to stop. To stop what? Just like Epstein, to leave us hanging.

Speaker 1 In response to a 2018 email from a New York Times reporter, Epstein said Trump feels alone and is nuts. I told everyone from day one, evil beyond belief, mad.

Speaker 1 And most thought I was speaking metaphorically. It's obvious he could crack.
Stormy Daniels, lies after lies after lies. It's like I'm always saying, if only America had listened to Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 In one damning email, Epstein implies that he'll be spending time with Trump over the Thanksgiving holiday. Was this before Epstein's plea agreement in 2008?

Speaker 1 Was this before Trump claimed he had a falling out with Epstein? Was this before Epstein had apparently stole Virginia Juffre, who worked at Mar-a-Lago? No.

Speaker 1 According to this email, Epstein implies he was going to see Trump over Thanksgiving in 2017

Speaker 1 while Trump was President of the United States. You can't pardon the turkeys that have Thanksgiving with a pedophile.
You have to pick one.

Speaker 1 And if these emails weren't bad enough for Trump, as the shutdown ended, Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House, had run out of excuses for refusing to see Democrat Adelita Grijalva, who won her special election back in September and promised to be the 218th vote on a petition introduced by Republican Thomas Massey and Democrat Roe Conna to force the release of the Epstein files by the Department of Justice.

Speaker 1 No, no, I knew what you meant by time to get shredding, said Cash Patel, awkwardly trying to hide a skateboard behind his back.

Speaker 1 ABC News reported that White House and DOJ officials met with Lauren Boebert to try to convince her to remove her name from the Epstein bill in a last-ditch attempt to stop the vote from succeeding.

Speaker 1 But much like in the security footage of a Denver production of Betelgeuse, Boebert kept a firm hand.

Speaker 1 Bobert subsequently told reporters she is all in on the Epstein petition, telling the press, I'm a co-sponsor of the bill. I'll force the vote.

Speaker 1 Yes, like her date at a family-friendly musical, this vote is coming.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday, Grajalva took the oath of office and soon after signed the petition.

Speaker 1 And with the bill now certain to head to the House floor, it looked like as many as 100 Republicans would add their names as well, which means Trump has to go to Plan C, loading all the Epstein files onto a speedboat in the Caribbean to blow it up by a hellfire missile.

Speaker 1 Massey explained his support for releasing the files even though he's a Republican.

Speaker 9 You know, I vote with my party 91% of the time, which means I agree with the, I have agreed with the president 91% of the time.

Speaker 9 But when they're protecting pedophiles, when they are blowing our budget,

Speaker 9 when they are starting wars overseas, I'm sorry, I can't go along with that.

Speaker 1 Even if protecting pedophiles makes up less than 9% of the Republican agenda, agenda,

Speaker 1 it still seems like way too much. Like if Subway came out and said their bread was only 9% bird shit, I wouldn't say my cold-cut trio was 91% awesome.
I would not eat there.

Speaker 1 All of this has left Trump fuming and floundering in his gilded cage. His bullying isn't working on Republicans anymore.

Speaker 1 The administration is now saying the Epstein story is a hoax and a distraction from their victory, according to White House spokesperson Caroline Levitt.

Speaker 13 It is not a coincidence that the Democrats leaked these emails to the fake news this morning ahead of Republicans reopening the government.

Speaker 13 This is another distraction campaign by the Democrat in the liberal media, and it's why I'm being asked questions about Epstein instead of the government reopening because of Republicans and President Trump.

Speaker 1 But also, Caroline Levitt is making the point that the shutdown permanently ruined their proof of how good the economy is.

Speaker 13 The Democrats may have permanently damaged the federal statistical system with October CPI and jobs reports likely never being released.

Speaker 13 And all of that economic data released will be permanently impaired, leaving our policymakers at the Fed flying blind at a critical period.

Speaker 2 The shutdown ate their homework.

Speaker 1 In the midst of a shutdown, Democrats performed so well in the election, it's made Republicans afraid that their gerrymanders might actually cost them house seats.

Speaker 1 The shutdown successfully focused the entire country on Trump's failure to deliver on his promise to make the necessities of life more affordable.

Speaker 1 And the end of the shutdown has turned the nation's focus entirely onto the administration's cover-up of the Epstein files, which can only lead us to one conclusion.

Speaker 1 Chuck Schumer should resign as Senate leader and run for president.

Speaker 1 This is my fight song. Take back my life.

Speaker 1 We've got a great show for you tonight.

Speaker 1 Coming up, I've got questions and Henry Winkler has answers. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 1 Thank you for being here.

Speaker 15 I am so happy.

Speaker 15 How did you pick this place? It's closer to New York than it is to my house.

Speaker 2 I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's a nice theater.

Speaker 2 It is a nice theater. It's like Korea town.

Speaker 1 You can get Korean barbecue if you want.

Speaker 2 You mean close?

Speaker 1 Close enough. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you ever have Korean? I have popcorn.

Speaker 1 Do you have Korean barbecue ever?

Speaker 15 I've had Korean barbecue once, and I had to work too hard to eat it.

Speaker 15 Do you know, I had to make it myself?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you recently celebrated your 80th birthday.

Speaker 2 I did.

Speaker 15 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 15 You know, and it was so hard for me to actually wrap my tongue around the number.

Speaker 15 People would say, so how old are you now? And I would go,

Speaker 15 I could not say,

Speaker 2 huh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you think it makes it less true when you don't say it?

Speaker 15 It does not make it less true. No, my knees are 80.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 15 They sometimes take an Uber home on their own.

Speaker 1 Well, in celebration of this milestone, I'm here. We're introducing a segment called 80 for 80.

Speaker 15 80 for 80.

Speaker 1 For those at home,

Speaker 15 we are...

Speaker 15 Is that me?

Speaker 1 That is a version of you of what could have been.

Speaker 1 This is 80 for 80 in the style of 80 for Brady. Yeah.
I think

Speaker 2 we look great. No.

Speaker 1 And so so we have, we're going to try to get through as many of 80 questions as we can.

Speaker 1 In honor of your 80th birthday, Milwaukee, Wisconsin officially declared October 30th, Henry Winkler Day. Happy Days was set in Milwaukee.
They previously have erected the bronze fawns. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you have to be able to pull off a leather jacket to achieve your level of acclaim, you think?

Speaker 15 Do you know I was not able to wear leather in the beginning? I had to wear cloth because ABC thought I would be associated with crime.

Speaker 15 So, and it was very hard to be cool in cloth.

Speaker 15 I am not kidding. The collar did not stay up.

Speaker 1 It's very funny to imagine a time in which this was dangerous.

Speaker 1 This sweet character with his leather jacket and white t-shirt. We had Rob Reiner on, and Rob Reiner had played a tough in the style of the Fons, where he had worn a leather jacket.

Speaker 1 But it's like, I'm sorry, but this is just a sweet Jewish boy on a motorcycle.

Speaker 15 Well, they wanted a tall Italian, and they got a short Jew.

Speaker 15 That is true.

Speaker 15 But I loved it. I really did.
I loved it. And you know,

Speaker 15 my parents

Speaker 15 were shorter than I was, and they were from Germany, and they were really not supportive at all. And they would call me Dummehund, which means dumb dog.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 15 Yes, because I'm very dyslexic, so I didn't do well. I'm in the bottom 3%

Speaker 15 academically in America. And

Speaker 15 then that jacket,

Speaker 15 I called my parents. I said, well, Dumma Hunt's jacket is now in the Smithsonian.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Did you ever feel insecure about being short?

Speaker 15 I feel insecure about almost every single thing. It is only in the last 10 years I saw myself as a,

Speaker 15 honest to God, as a block of Swiss cheese filled with holes. And in the last 10 years, I have tried to make myself into a block of cheddar.

Speaker 1 What is it? So you really feel like, so when you were, when you turned 70, you were carrying some of the insecurities you carried when you were being called.

Speaker 15 Without a doubt.

Speaker 1 Really? Yes. And in the last decade, you've shed some.

Speaker 15 Because, you know, unless you actually do some work,

Speaker 15 you are who you are. And that doesn't go away no matter what changes.
Your age,

Speaker 15 your physicality,

Speaker 15 the inside pretty much stays the same. It is really up to you

Speaker 15 to make yourself more whole.

Speaker 1 And do you think you talked about being dyslexic? One of the children's book that's just coming out, right? Or one of the children's books you've written recently. Okay, can I brag?

Speaker 2 Yes. All right.

Speaker 15 The 40th, my 40th children's book came out September 30th.

Speaker 15 Thank you.

Speaker 15 I would like to say, and no pressure at all, but the holidays are coming, and I

Speaker 15 it's about a little duckling who dreams about being a detective, and she's an environmentalist.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the duck is not dyslexic?

Speaker 15 The duck is not dyslexic.

Speaker 1 But there's an overchecking. The writer is.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 But then you write. Hank Zipzer.

Speaker 15 Hank Zipser, 28 novels about a little boy,

Speaker 15 me.

Speaker 15 Okay, great. Great story.
PS87. I went to PS87 on 78, just up the block from where I was born and raised and grew up on 78th between Broadway and Amsterdam.
So PS87.

Speaker 15 And I went there and I read Hank Zipser because he also goes to PS87. You write what you know.

Speaker 15 And so I went to an award show, and there was Timothy Chalamay. And I went up and I said, I have to shake your hand because you are really terrific at what you do.
He said, I'm a hugger.

Speaker 15 And so he gave me a hug. I was thrilled.
And then he said, The first time you came to PS87 with Hank Zipser, I was in the fourth grade and I was in the audience when you read the book.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Little Timite.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the boy in that book has dyslexia.

Speaker 15 He is me. He is you.

Speaker 1 Yes. And you actually.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 the emotionality of that little boy in the book is true. And the comedy, my writing partner, Lynn Oliver,

Speaker 15 the comedy, we made up.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 I'm guessing what I'm asking is, do you think your insecurities came from dyslexia? Like, how much of a role has dyslexia played in arriving?

Speaker 15 i took geometry for four years same course i took it in regular school and in summer school regular school summer school regular school summer school and uh i finally passed it with a d minus so i could go to the one college that accepted me emerson in boston

Speaker 15 and thank you yeah i got in and uh i nearly got kicked out but i got in

Speaker 15 and uh from that day in august of uh 1963 that i passed with a D-,

Speaker 15 not one person has ever said hypotenuse to me.

Speaker 15 But sometimes you're figuring out which direction to go and then you think, I know my left because it's the arm I stick out the window when I'm driving. That's how I know my left.
Really?

Speaker 1 I struggle with that too. You know what I struggle with?

Speaker 1 I have to get in the map like on Friends.

Speaker 1 I got to rotate that map, whatever direction I'm facing, I got to turn the map fully around.

Speaker 15 Is that true? Yeah. I can't read the map.

Speaker 1 Boy, we'd be terrible in the amazing race.

Speaker 1 Or would we?

Speaker 15 That is, I'm fascinated by that show, but I know my limitations.

Speaker 15 When you have to make a doll out of leaves and have somebody who doesn't speak your language at all nod that you've made it the doll correctly,

Speaker 15 I would still be there.

Speaker 1 Plus they have to connect their flights a lot. They got to connect.
So when you, you didn't get diagnosed with dyslexia until you were 31.

Speaker 15 I wasn't diagnosed. My stepson, Jed, was in the third grade, very verbal, very funny, couldn't get his homework done.
And we had him tested and everything they said about Jed was true about me.

Speaker 15 And then I realized, oh my God, I'm not a Domahunt. I've got something with a name.

Speaker 1 You want to hear an opposite story?

Speaker 2 True.

Speaker 1 About confidence?

Speaker 1 When I was a little boy,

Speaker 2 where did you grow up? Long Island. Okay.
And

Speaker 2 Syaset. Okay.

Speaker 1 I was very good at math. I was very good at math, but I was not a good reader.

Speaker 1 It turned out that I was seeing double some of the time, which was a hindrance.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 the teacher led me to a section in the library that

Speaker 1 had the easy to read books. And so I went home and I told my mom,

Speaker 1 I've done it again, mom. They brought me to this section of the library for the kids that find it easy to read.

Speaker 1 Are there any roles you wish you had taken but ended up passing on for logistical reasons or things that just didn't happen?

Speaker 15 No, you know, I always thought that if I was supposed to do something,

Speaker 15 it would have happened. But I was offered Greece, Danny Zucco.
And I thought, you know, I've done the Fons now for 10 years.

Speaker 15 I've got to move on. So I said no.
I went home. I had a ginger ale.
And then John Travolta took the role. He went home and bought a plane.

Speaker 2 Listen, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Here's the thing. You buy a plane.
Now you got to think about what's happened with my plane. Where is it being kept? Who's keeping an eye on it? It's true.
It's a lot of work.

Speaker 15 Having a plane. It's true.

Speaker 1 You know?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I could have donated it to Qatar, but.

Speaker 1 So you have a TV series, Hazardous History with Henry Winkle.

Speaker 15 Yes, I'm on that now.

Speaker 15 So I've never done this before. And of course, this is crazy because the show is on the History Channel.
It is about all of the crazy stuff that people did either for entertainment or to make money.

Speaker 15 I'll give you an example. 7-Up, born 1927.
Bubbly, refreshing, citrusy. And the tagline was,

Speaker 15 we will take the edge off because it was laced with lithium.

Speaker 1 God, what a time that was. What a time.
What a time. Where people are like, oh, do you have a headache? We have this new thing, heroin.

Speaker 15 No joke. I did that.
But anyway,

Speaker 15 we did eight episodes, and they just picked us up for 30.

Speaker 16 Thank you.

Speaker 15 Now, here's the crazy thing. All I do is read on that show.
I have to read, copy for days.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 15 I read The Tale of Two Cities.

Speaker 15 Well, I didn't. I read the cover.

Speaker 15 Thank you.

Speaker 15 I like that woman.

Speaker 2 But you've been a, you've.

Speaker 1 Do you have like a technique to deal with the fact that sometimes dyslexia makes it hard for you to learn lines?

Speaker 2 Like, what?

Speaker 15 You know what I did? I would audition. I would memorize as much as I possibly could.
I would then, during the audition, forget, and I ad-libbed. And they said, excuse me, that is not what we wrote.

Speaker 15 I said, I'm giving you the essence of the character.

Speaker 2 It worked. Wow.

Speaker 1 Do you think it might have something to do with your raw charisma and kind of an energy that you're doing?

Speaker 15 I was captivated to even think about that I had raw anything. I'm not kidding.
I was just fighting for my life.

Speaker 1 Do you remember starring in the short-lived 1994 sitcom Monty?

Speaker 15 Oh, my God.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 15 I read the,

Speaker 15 written by one of the people who was writing

Speaker 15 for Gary David Goldberg at the time. And

Speaker 15 it was so funny, but it was so controversial. I would play Rush Limbaugh with a gay daughter.

Speaker 15 And it was so funny. And I call, and I said, I'm so sorry.
I can't do it. And then I would think about it.
And I called him up and I said, well, I rethought. And no, I can't do it.

Speaker 15 And the third time I said, yes. So I learned a big lesson from this show

Speaker 15 because

Speaker 15 we did it and then somebody at NBC saw it and said not on my network

Speaker 15 and so I had tickets to go to New York for the upfronts you know where they sell time for advertisers and then they took my ticket away and then we sold it to Fox So Fox, they had the brilliant idea, we're not going to have a gay daughter.

Speaker 15 David Schwimmer is going to go to college and study law, but come back and want to be a chef.

Speaker 15 That was the controversy.

Speaker 1 So instead of a gay daughter, it was a son that was like cooking.

Speaker 1 Because that was very, people don't remember this. In the early 90s, cooking was coded as very gay.

Speaker 15 Except

Speaker 3 I don't believe that,

Speaker 15 but here it is. This is the lesson.
When you say yes to something and

Speaker 15 they've tried to bastardize it, go home. Do not, do not go down that path.
It never works out well.

Speaker 1 Huh. Or good.
Because, you know, I made this show called 600 Penn.

Speaker 15 But it was a good show.

Speaker 1 It was a great show, but the original pitch was that the... That was a much like darker comedy.
And the first lady was going to be like raunchy and cheating on the president.

Speaker 1 It was going to be a darker show. And I remember being on a notes call with some studio executives and they were like, we love it.
But have you thought about,

Speaker 1 think about this?

Speaker 1 Instead of the first lady being a drunk who's sleeping with the Secret Service agents and hates her husband, what if she is a working mom trying to have it all?

Speaker 1 And I was like, well, I don't know that that's as funny. And they were like, well, if you don't do it, I don't know that you're going to make this show.

Speaker 1 And I thought, i'm gonna go home and write what they're asking for

Speaker 15 no but i understand that i mean you what you you this is your your dream of getting a show you you you're now have a shot at getting it produced you're you're trying to make yourself into a prexel and here's the lesson that you know you then put in a dog and then you put in a best friend and then uh you know you take out a character that might be African-American and they cancel you.

Speaker 15 And you say, but I did everything you said.

Speaker 15 And they went, that was your first mistake.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. It's a lot to think about.

Speaker 2 It's a lot to think about. It's true.

Speaker 1 So Happy Days airs in 1974, but it was set in the 50s. So if we were to make a show now

Speaker 1 in 2025, it would be set in the 2000s. So your character had obviously famous catchphrases.
I'm going to work, here would be the Fon's catchphrases.

Speaker 1 see which one of these you would take for a show made in 2025 about the 2000s. Are you ready?

Speaker 2 Yes, I am.

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Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 one final question. Yes.

Speaker 15 Wait a minute. Did we go through 80?

Speaker 2 It felt like it. It did.

Speaker 1 Was there anything about turning 80 that,

Speaker 1 have you ever,

Speaker 1 do you have advice or wisdom that suddenly come to you that you realize you turn 80 and then all of a sudden like, I got to tell the people?

Speaker 15 If I have advice at all, I learned.

Speaker 15 to be quiet about advice. I used to have advice about everything.

Speaker 15 And people would say to me, so you played a cool guy.

Speaker 2 How am I cool?

Speaker 15 How do I get to be cool? And my advice is to be authentically who you are, which is magnetic and powerful and cool.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 1 Henry Winkler, thank you so much. I'm so out.

Speaker 1 You're saying Henry Winkler is going to stay. We'll be right back with Mo Ammer.

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Speaker 1 Our next guest has been Mohamed in Texas. Now he's waiting patiently backstage.
Please put your hands together for the hilarious Mo Amer.

Speaker 2 Hi, Mo. Hi.

Speaker 1 Thanks for being here.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 Henry Winkler.

Speaker 2 So cool.

Speaker 1 You get used to it in a minute.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you're right. It's old.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I can't believe you're 80.

Speaker 2 You look beautiful, baby.

Speaker 15 Thank you very much. I can't believe it myself.

Speaker 8 God bless you.

Speaker 8 I definitely won't look like that when I'm 80.

Speaker 1 Are you putting on some city miles?

Speaker 8 I think so. Yeah, some

Speaker 2 global miles, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah. But you've just been all over the world.

Speaker 2 I have, yes.

Speaker 2 On your tour.

Speaker 8 I did, I did, my son, and that's what keeps me young is my little boy.

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that would age you faster.

Speaker 8 Honestly, I've never felt worse. You're right.

Speaker 2 It's really hard, man.

Speaker 8 He always wants me to sit on the floor.

Speaker 2 I don't want to sit on the floor.

Speaker 2 I can barely sit in this chair, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I see. I seem doing good.
John and Tommy have kids, and they seem exhausted. I'm like, I'm tired, too, from watching all these streaming streaming shows.

Speaker 1 So, Mo,

Speaker 1 you have a Peabody Award-winning Netflix show called Mo.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 In the second season, your character is seeking asylum in the U.S. It came out on January 30th.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 2 Are you

Speaker 1 disappointed with how timely it feels?

Speaker 2 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 8 On some level. You know, you always dream about making it and you always think about it.
And

Speaker 8 I've always

Speaker 8 had just such a love for storytelling. I never thought

Speaker 8 in my life I would ever be releasing a show that is,

Speaker 8 you know, depicting a Palestinian family living in Texas while everything is happening in the backdrop. It was easily one of the most gut-wrenching

Speaker 8 artistic things I've ever done in my life.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This got really quiet really quickly.

Speaker 1 So you, because just for people that know, you're Palestinian. You were born in Kuwait.

Speaker 8 That's correct.

Speaker 1 You were a refugee living in Houston. Yep.

Speaker 1 And so I think the question is.

Speaker 2 Refugee living in Houston. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Seeking asylum. Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 And the question that people have about it, though, is like, what are the best places to eat?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 8 Ironically, some of the best sushi I've ever had in the world.

Speaker 2 Catarubato. Oh, come on.

Speaker 8 I'm dead serious. The best Indian food I've ever had in my life.
It's in Houston. It's called Agas.

Speaker 2 Incredible.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 like, it does seem like

Speaker 1 this show is coming out at a time when Americans are learning more about asylum, learning more about their refugee process.

Speaker 8 Like, what, why, what, like, just talk about what made it such a wrenching thing to be making this show that is kind of inspired by your own experience sure um well it took me 20 years to get my citizenship and i've always been highly highly sensitive about immigration and and what it actually takes to get your asylum and layered with the fact that i'm palestinian and no one really understands what that is and certainly what's happened in the last two years has been you know

Speaker 8 I don't even know how to describe it other than the devastation.

Speaker 8 And so it comes with an immense amount of responsibility. Like, how are you going to tell this story and what are you going to do in a post-October 7th world?

Speaker 8 And do you even jump into that or not?

Speaker 2 And I tussled with it a lot.

Speaker 8 I went back and forth so many times and I realized that that was like a clear trap.

Speaker 8 You know, if I did jump into that, the show became didactic and you really didn't know anything about the characters.

Speaker 8 And then I had this vision of taking the family to the West Bank and, you know, and that would obviously not work as well. And then the show would come out a year after you film.

Speaker 8 So, all the there's so many things that are going to unfold within that year as well. So, you could pretty much time yourself out in a way where it makes it irrelevant.

Speaker 8 So, I made it very, very clear and very purposeful that I was going to focus on everything that happened pre-October 7th. What kind of world was it like, not only as an immigrant living in Houston,

Speaker 8 but as a Palestinian? What was that world like for us as a family and kind of consistently in that?

Speaker 8 And it's really contextual, too, because if you do entertain that, then it becomes about that event and makes it look like this all started after October 7th, which is not true as well, historically.

Speaker 8 So it was just a lot of responsibility. And coupled with the fact that it was filmed in Houston, it's the first ever narrative sitcom filmed in Houston.

Speaker 8 And I wanted Houston to be a backdrop and a character. So there's so many things to think about.
And yeah, and that's why I made those choices.

Speaker 8 And even the season finale, it ends on October 6th, you know.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you mentioned being,

Speaker 1 you mentioned not wanting to be didactic. And I do think that there's something that has happened in the way that politics intercedes into

Speaker 1 scripted television, like fiction. And there is a kind of, I don't know, often a lack of trust or insecurity on the part of the filmmaker, lack of trust in the audience to let a story just be a story.

Speaker 1 Like there's always now a moment in some kind of a piece of culture where the main character kind of turns to the camera and says, let me tell you what the lesson is of all this.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Is that it's hard to avoid, right? Like that feeling like, oh, I need to tell people what I'm trying to tell them.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it is hard to avoid, but in this scenario, it wasn't. Like I did entertain it.
I did, you know,

Speaker 8 in our very small writing room.

Speaker 2 And we did.

Speaker 8 try to have these, we did absolutely have very difficult conversations and we had to. I think any writing room, any creative situation, you must do that to get to whatever story you want to tell.

Speaker 8 And this situation is based off of my life. So I knew what the foundation of this was.
So

Speaker 8 every time I entertained it, it definitely felt like... it was taking away from the whole story as it all.

Speaker 8 We lost everything about each character's identity, what they were going through, what they were filtering through their emotions.

Speaker 8 And I think the best way to tell any story, really, is to focus on each character and allow them to grow throughout the season. Also, on top of that, I'm a comedy.
I'm making a comedy show.

Speaker 8 This is not, you know, a drama. So it's very, very, it's a slippery slope.
If you get in there, it felt like

Speaker 8 it was absolutely the wrong move. And it would be indulgent if I did that and become maybe from my ego, not really from what the story is

Speaker 8 needing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's good. There's a lot of people that think, oh, this is indulgent, and I like how it feels.

Speaker 8 No, I did. I didn't at all.
It was really, really painful.

Speaker 2 It was super painful.

Speaker 8 And I'm recreating memories with, you know, my grandmother is no longer here, or my uncle is no longer here, or my father is no longer here.

Speaker 8 I mean, the amount of times that I, you know, I had to walk away, you know, I was directing, I was acting, I was showrun, I was like doing all these, wearing all these hats and inside, I'm just dying so many times.

Speaker 8 I've probably died, I don't know how many times, but it felt like I died like a dozen times making the show.

Speaker 1 And one thing you've talked about, too, is that being Palestinian is such a, it requires somehow being first, right?

Speaker 1 Like you don't just get to be leading a sitcom, you're a Palestinian leading a sitcom.

Speaker 1 And I'm wondering if you feel like you're going to be on the other side of that feeling, like you'll get to just be a funny person, or if you'll, if you feel like that somehow that's kind of, I don't know, that the culture makes it so central.

Speaker 8 I got to say, this is the best interview I've had in years, to be honest with you. Most people don't know how to ask these questions, but I absolutely feel that way.
It's very frustrating.

Speaker 8 Early on in my career, it was always like Arab-American comedian or Muslim comedian. It's all these attached, you you know, things to who I actually am.

Speaker 8 But I do feel like it was an important, like, an honesty thing with me and the audience. It was like, this is who I am.
This is where I come from.

Speaker 8 Because it's always these questions that come, oh, wait, you're born in Kuwait, though, but aren't you Kuwait? Like, yeah, no, I'm not. It's where your parents come from.
It's an ancestral thing.

Speaker 8 Oh, okay. So then you're Palestinian.
So you go to Palestine. No, no, no, no, I'm not.
I can't go back to Palestinian.

Speaker 8 All these questions would arise. So it became like this trust between me and the audience.
You have to know where I come from. You know the whole story.

Speaker 8 I'm also a Texan, you know, and just kind of covering all of that. And now I do feel like I'm on the other side of that.
And quite frankly, what of what's happened

Speaker 8 is in the last few years, I've never felt freer in my life.

Speaker 8 This is the most free creatively I've ever been. It's always, you know, I'm kind of walking on eggshells, I felt like, in certain scenarios.
And I feel so relieved that I did go through that.

Speaker 8 And I'm so grateful

Speaker 8 that I stuck to my guns and I really just went through that.

Speaker 17 It felt like a fire.

Speaker 8 It really did. But I do feel like I'm on the other side of that.

Speaker 1 It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Henry, help me out.

Speaker 2 It's a rough crowd.

Speaker 1 No, I think they're just listening. I think they're just listening.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 8 Well, thank you. I appreciate it.
That's all I wanted to hear.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you,

Speaker 1 can I just say one thing?

Speaker 15 Do I have to use my mic?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 15 So I just want to say one thing.

Speaker 15 In what you just said, you said, I stuck to my guns.

Speaker 15 And ultimately, that is one of the lessons of living on this planet.

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Speaker 1 There's one thing

Speaker 1 that Jewish people and Palestinian people have in common. It is that Gentiles will be playing us in TV and film.

Speaker 1 At least historically speaking. Shout out to Mo, streaming now on Netflix.

Speaker 1 That's why we are going to rank the most egregious faux semites in silver screen history in a segment we're calling halal in the tray family.

Speaker 2 Halal

Speaker 1 in the Trey family. Here's Here's how this game works.
This will be a blind ranking, so you will not know which artificial

Speaker 1 which artificial Arab or junk pile Jew will be named next.

Speaker 1 The next

Speaker 1 It's fine. It's fine.
I just want to be clear to everybody. We think this game is fine.

Speaker 1 We think it's fine.

Speaker 8 I thought making my show was hard. This is it.

Speaker 1 We think that this game is fine. So we are going to rank

Speaker 1 we are going to rank these Gentiles playing Semites on a scale from halal and kosher to haram and trefe.

Speaker 1 The most kosher slash halal will be number one. The one that's the most haram slash trefe will be number eight.

Speaker 2 Okay? Okay.

Speaker 1 Here we go. First up, and again, you don't know who will be next.

Speaker 8 Are they going to come up on screen?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 First up, we have Killian Murphy as a theoretical physicist, J. Robert Eppenheimer, in 2023's Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1 Here's the real Oppenheimer. He looked exactly like comedian and next week, guest Pat Regan.

Speaker 8 Oh my god, he does.

Speaker 2 A little bit, yeah.

Speaker 1 So we have Killian Murphy playing Oppenheimer. Hmm, what do we think on our scale?

Speaker 15 I'm going to two.

Speaker 1 You think he's a good? Do you think it's a good one?

Speaker 2 I think he was good. I think he did a good job.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 I think it was a good performance.

Speaker 1 I was missing a little

Speaker 1 Kishkas. You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 I was.

Speaker 3 I was,

Speaker 8 yeah, so much Kishkis was missing.

Speaker 8 I, I, you know, this game is like they're tricking us a little bit. You gotta know, they're gonna set us up, you know, they're putting it up there.

Speaker 8 So, if you put them too high, then you might be in a tricky situation.

Speaker 15 I understand, I'm sticking to my guns.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 1 next up, we have Ray Two It Is. Two It is.
Next up, we have Ray Fiennes voicing the Pharaoh Ramses in 1998's Prince of Egypt. Eight.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 8 Eight. You don't even need to finish.

Speaker 1 That's an eight for you. That's an eight.
Immediately.

Speaker 2 They're all eights.

Speaker 1 Why don't you just think for a moment about the advice you gave TV legend Henry Winkler a moment ago?

Speaker 8 I'm going to add a nine on there.

Speaker 3 All right, next up.

Speaker 1 All right, we're going to put him at eight. Unless Henry Winkler chimes in, it's going to be an eight.

Speaker 1 No, no, you should tell Mo he's wrong about this.

Speaker 15 I will not do that.

Speaker 1 And again, we think that this game is fine.

Speaker 8 Wait, Jafar is going to be next, too. I think so.

Speaker 8 Seven. Can I change seven?

Speaker 1 Seven, seven, seven, seven.

Speaker 8 There's going to be a Jafar something in there.

Speaker 1 Next up, we have Rachel Brosnan as comedian Midge Maisel in Amazon Prime Videos and Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

Speaker 15 She was good. Two.

Speaker 2 Two. What do you think? Two.
You already had two. You already have two.

Speaker 8 That's why I told you you shouldn't put them in two.

Speaker 15 I'm okay with that.

Speaker 15 I thought she was great.

Speaker 1 I think she's great too.

Speaker 15 And she's a lovely person.

Speaker 8 Oh, well, then you should have given her one if you thought that much.

Speaker 15 Not that lovely.

Speaker 2 Just kidding. We're losing in this game.
We had two A and two B.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. The judges are going to be furious with me.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 They're back there. All right.
Next up, we have Alec Guinness as Prince Faisal in 1962's Lawrence of Arabia.

Speaker 2 20.

Speaker 8 It's pretty bad. A solid 20.

Speaker 3 It's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 It's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Now, you were telling us backstage that you also turned this part down, right?

Speaker 1 Henry Winkler?

Speaker 8 Well, that would have been a two.

Speaker 15 I was there at the beginning of film, but

Speaker 15 I thought he was wonderful.

Speaker 2 Do you really?

Speaker 15 I really. He's such a good actor, this guy.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Makeup's tough, but he was a good actor.

Speaker 1 Because he also wasn't a Jedi.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's just... Why are you?

Speaker 2 I got to soften up for him already. No, you don't.
You don't. Okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 15 You go with nine.

Speaker 8 It's your fault.

Speaker 2 You know everybody. That's the problem.

Speaker 15 I never met him. I just, I, I, I was.

Speaker 2 He's a lovely person.

Speaker 8 We had coffee and

Speaker 3 no, but I

Speaker 15 met

Speaker 2 Ms.

Speaker 2 You met him?

Speaker 14 No, I never met him.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I wish I had, though.

Speaker 8 Just stayed over at his house on weekends or something.

Speaker 8 All right, just do. I had seven before.
Let's go six.

Speaker 2 Six, okay. Six.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 8 The final answer.

Speaker 1 Next up, we have Rachel McAdams as Orthodox Jewish Lesbian SD Cooperman in discussion.

Speaker 8 Sorry. I don't mean to laugh.

Speaker 2 I apologize.

Speaker 15 It's really funny. I don't think I saw it.

Speaker 8 But just based off of the two.

Speaker 8 You can't. Somebody's got to be down on the list.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 8 Why is it you guys are more like okay with the roles that they're playing? And clearly, how racist is the shit that I'm watching?

Speaker 8 It's like much, much worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Patterns. Interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It is.

Speaker 1 Next up, we have Antonio Bandera. I'm going to say that's a three.
We're going to have to.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a solid three, right?

Speaker 2 That's a three. Yeah, maybe a four.

Speaker 1 Antonio Banderas as Ahmed ibn Fadlan in 1999 is the 13th warrior. Jesus.

Speaker 8 We're getting closer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're getting closer, getting warmer.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm saying, like, at least the complexion is there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 You know, it'd be cool.

Speaker 15 What number?

Speaker 8 Oh, well, you're being so pushy all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 You're right.

Speaker 2 You're right. It does wear off after a few minutes.

Speaker 8 Somebody get him a leather jacket. It's raining outside.

Speaker 8 just

Speaker 2 so sorry. No, no, no.

Speaker 8 It's all right. I love you so much.

Speaker 2 What's your soul? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Six.
Six, okay, okay, okay. Six.
You know what's interesting?

Speaker 1 The name Antonio Benderos is a beautiful name, but then if you met somebody in English whose name was Tony Flags, it would also be cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm Tony Flags.

Speaker 1 Cool. Different, cool, though.

Speaker 2 Different, different energy.

Speaker 1 Antonio Benderos.

Speaker 2 Tony Flags. flags.

Speaker 2 It's cool. I love it.

Speaker 3 All right. Next up.

Speaker 8 He looks, he looks, he's concerned.

Speaker 2 He is.

Speaker 1 He's good.

Speaker 1 Felicity Jones, a Supreme Court justice, Ruth Bader Ginsburg in 2018 is on the basis of sex.

Speaker 1 You know, it's hard. You know what's hard? It's not kind.

Speaker 1 The portrayal of Arabs has a much more racial element in the photos, I'll say.

Speaker 1 And the Jewish portrayals, what's not coming across in these photos is the lack of Jewish energy in the performances. Because we had David Krumholtz on the show last week, and he was in Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1 You've got to love him.

Speaker 15 I worked with him when he was 13.

Speaker 1 Yes, on

Speaker 1 Monty. On Monty.
He was my son. He was your son on Monty.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 1 But when he shows up in Oppenheimer.

Speaker 15 Can I just say, I don't care whether she was good or not as a Jewess, I would date her.

Speaker 1 And that's a two. And that's a two.
That's That's also a two. And that's going to have to be a two.
But Crumholtz shows up in Oppenheimer, and it's like,

Speaker 1 and it's Killian Murphy sitting across him. And I agree, he did a great job performing it, but that's a guy with bagels in his pockets.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 15 He is, David Crumholtz is limitless. He is one of those actors who just is good at everything.
He is just good.

Speaker 8 Can I get that sound bite? I want to put Mo in the middle of it.

Speaker 2 We can. We'll do two sorts of things.
He's good.

Speaker 1 At everything. Thank you.

Speaker 8 For God's sake.

Speaker 8 Let's get that.

Speaker 1 You want to see the last one?

Speaker 8 It was really bad, wasn't it?

Speaker 1 Let's show the last one. Let's show the last one.

Speaker 1 It's Eugene Levy as Mr. Habib in Father the Bride Part 2.

Speaker 8 That's 55.

Speaker 8 just the just the

Speaker 8 being thrown around

Speaker 8 solid solid 75

Speaker 8 100 it's a hundred it's a

Speaker 8 look at her she's not even feeling good about the whole situation She's like, I don't know they named him Mr. Habib like this is not right.

Speaker 8 He spit in my face three times just trying to pretend he's speaking Arabic.

Speaker 2 This is rough.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's not good. I love him though.

Speaker 2 He's a great actor.

Speaker 8 We had coffee one time, he and I

Speaker 2 No, we didn't.

Speaker 1 What's interesting is you've achieved such a level of success that they didn't know you were joking.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 8 that's exciting. That's how I am out here.
Me and Henry are about to go do the town here in a second.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 no,

Speaker 15 no, no, and it has nothing to do with you.

Speaker 8 Oh, I know. I got the sound bite.
What the hell do I care?

Speaker 2 Nice.

Speaker 1 I think I'm out of questions.

Speaker 2 Special is called Wild World, by the way.

Speaker 1 Special is called, that's what I wanted to say.

Speaker 3 The special is called Wild World on Netflix,

Speaker 1 which you can check out. And the show is called Mo,

Speaker 1 also on Netflix.

Speaker 2 That's correct.

Speaker 1 Everybody check it out. And you can watch Henry's show, Hazardous History, on the History Channel and pick up Henry's book, Detective Duck, The Mystery at Emerald Pond.

Speaker 1 It turns out that the mystery is how did Epstein kill himself?

Speaker 8 It's a children's book, book, for God's sakes.

Speaker 15 Ergo Epstein.

Speaker 1 We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

Speaker 2 And we're back.

Speaker 1 One note. Thank you to everybody who came to CrookedCon and made it possible.
Attendees, speakers, sponsors. We couldn't have done it without you.

Speaker 1 I really do appreciate everybody that came to CrookedCon. Appreciate everybody that helped put it together.
Everybody and the team team that worked so hard.

Speaker 1 Really, it was something that took years for us to get to the place where we could do and to have the team in place that could put on something as big as that.

Speaker 1 I was generally blown away by like how much. how many great people participated and how like the conversations really did seem to go everywhere.

Speaker 1 Like it really had a moment and it felt like something that we built Crooked Media to do, which is to have a place that was a gathering point for everybody that believes in democracy from the former Trump Republicans

Speaker 1 who have shown great personal courage in leaving that party behind, all the way to the far left, and trying to remember that we're all part of one big coalition, even when that can seem difficult.

Speaker 1 And it felt like a real proof that that was possible. So, thank you.

Speaker 1 If you couldn't make it and want to hear the conversations, panels, and all the other fun stuff we got into, head to crookedcon.com.

Speaker 1 We're posting a lot of it, and you can also hear the panels on the Pod Save America podcast feed or YouTube channel.

Speaker 1 And sign up at crookedcon.com for all the details on our next CrookedCon coming to you in 2026, just in time for the midterms. And next week, we'll be back at Dynasty.

Speaker 1 We have a live show with Haley Kyoko and Pat Regan,

Speaker 1 which will be fun.

Speaker 1 And on Tuesday, the next episode in my reality series, Bravo America, will be out with John Cochran of Survivor. All right.

Speaker 1 End of flex.

Speaker 1 This week, Trump gave us an uplifting gem on Veterans Day with this moment.

Speaker 15 If we die, we must die, and we as men would die without complaining.

Speaker 1 Ironic, since he complains every second of every single day.

Speaker 1 In a celebratory refutation of his advice, my guests and I will each share a complaint because life is about enjoying complaining until we die. In a segment we're calling no complaints.

Speaker 1 Now to the wheel.

Speaker 1 Wherever it lands, you complain about something. Mo, what's something you'd like to complain about?

Speaker 8 Enough of two-wheel luggage. I don't want to see two-wheel luggage.
You're dragging it behind you like an idiot. Like, stop.
You're taking over too much real estate. You get this.

Speaker 8 Four wheels exist, okay? You can roll it smoothly next to you. It's perfect.
If I see you with no wheels on your luggage, you and I are not friends ever, okay?

Speaker 8 If you're just carrying it, sweating like a lunatic, trying to get on a plane, smacking every other person when you're walking on the plane. You, you and I cannot operate in the same universe.

Speaker 8 That's it.

Speaker 1 That was beautiful. That was beautifully sad.

Speaker 1 And so important. And so important.
Yes. And so important.

Speaker 1 Let's spin it again.

Speaker 1 You know what's funny? I forgot we had a whiteboard for ranking in the previous segment. Just didn't do it.
I was supposed to write it down. I forgot.

Speaker 2 Well, it's easy.

Speaker 8 It's all twos.

Speaker 1 What a dummy.

Speaker 1 But I think if you had seen the previous twos, it would have been chastening, you know, and it would have led to maybe more respect for the format. But I didn't respect the format.
And you know what?

Speaker 1 How are other people going to respect my show if I don't respect my show?

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Another lesson that maybe Henry could say to other people:

Speaker 1 if you want to take that one, you can take it.

Speaker 15 No, I'm going to leave it right here.

Speaker 3 It has landed on Henry Winkler.

Speaker 1 What is something you'd like to complain about?

Speaker 15 Okay, I want, honestly, I want to complain about two-wheel luggage. I,

Speaker 15 no, no, kidding, Momo.

Speaker 15 I want to complain about the lack of listening. How did that happen

Speaker 15 in supposedly the greatest country in the world that critical thinking has just gone the way of,

Speaker 15 you know, clearing your plate into the garbage?

Speaker 8 Man, I can't agree with you more. 100%.

Speaker 8 I cannot stand it. Everyone is just, they're not listening.
they're just waiting to respond.

Speaker 15 And in such a terrible way, terrible.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 This is a great show. Thanks for saying that.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 15 This was wonderful.

Speaker 15 And I enjoyed myself. And enough.

Speaker 8 I had such a great time. Yeah.
And I had such a this is the best.

Speaker 2 I don't want it to be over. I have a show at 9:30.

Speaker 8 I don't give a shit about the show anymore.

Speaker 1 Let's

Speaker 1 spin it again, I think.

Speaker 1 Really, what I wanted to complain about

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 people just putting their phone, watching things on their phone in public with the volume.

Speaker 2 I was. Oh, with no headphones? No headphones.

Speaker 8 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And it's the decline of civilization. I was at a pizza place in New York because I was in New York.
And if I'm in New York, I only have two meals a day. I have a bagel and then I have pizza.

Speaker 1 That's it. I have a bagel and I have pizza day after day after day after day.
And I don't feel great when I leave.

Speaker 2 But I can't stop it.

Speaker 1 I can't stop it.

Speaker 1 So I was in a pizza place and there was a man at the table next to me on his phone watching videos and it was a little bit annoying.

Speaker 1 And I go to take a bite of my pizza and when I say this man was watching what I can only imagine was just videos of women screaming.

Speaker 1 Just high-pitched shrieking. And finally I just like, I like turned to him and I was like, volume.

Speaker 1 He just looked back at me. What are you going to keep the fight going? You got to move on.
I'm a little man. I'm not.

Speaker 1 I'm not physical.

Speaker 2 I didn't turn it up.

Speaker 2 I don't know that he, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe it was a language. It was just, it was sort of like a kind of like a,

Speaker 1 and then back down into it.

Speaker 2 It's awful.

Speaker 1 It's, but what has happened to us? I can't do it. What has happened to people?

Speaker 8 That's one of my biggest pet peeves, though, for sure.

Speaker 1 It's out of control on the train, on the train, on the train, on the train,

Speaker 1 on the subway, everywhere.

Speaker 8 Airplane, airplane, it happens on an airplane.

Speaker 3 It's diabolical.

Speaker 1 That you say something. Oh, immediately.
That you say something. I pop up like a meerkat.
If somebody in my area,

Speaker 1 I really do. I really do.
And I will say something. I will say something.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm the guy.

Speaker 8 I'll say something too, 100%.

Speaker 1 And I think you have to have a sacred deal. And the deal is this.
You can speak out about rude rude loudness, but that means you have to be super supportive of parents that have a loud baby.

Speaker 1 And you have to be a defense. The permission structure for being a scold of the volume is being a protector of the loud baby.
And even though it is annoying, it's a loud baby. The baby doesn't know.

Speaker 1 The baby doesn't know, and the parents don't want to be on the plane with the baby. So you side with them.
And that gives you a little bit of a good feeling for the battles ahead. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's what I think.

Speaker 8 My God, nothing more stressful if your baby is being fussy on a flight.

Speaker 8 It's like you're just dying inside.

Speaker 2 You're looking around like this doesn't happen. I swear.

Speaker 8 I'm trying to just catastrophizing, thinking everyone wants to kill you. You know what I mean? For this baby.
My son is a great traveler, but every once in a while, he was like,

Speaker 8 you know, he wants to run.

Speaker 2 He wants to be free. He's not even two.

Speaker 1 Not even two. Yeah.
It's going to make noise.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's going to make noise.

Speaker 2 It's going to make

Speaker 2 so funny.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 I'm just referring to a kid like, it's gonna make noise.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed this show. I did you.
I did you.

Speaker 3 It's Henry Winkler.

Speaker 8 It's Henry Winkler. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 It's Mo Ammer.

Speaker 1 That is our show.

Speaker 1 We will see you next week at Dynasty Typewriter. There are 353 days until the midterms.
Have a great night and have a great weekend.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 And a great holiday.

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Speaker 7 Maybe it's time to turn up the heat.

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